"Iron dome" "taught" to shoot down mortar shells

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During the military operation of the Israeli military "Indestructible rock" anti-missile defense system "Iron Dome" managed to not only bring down more than 600 missiles - it was also "trained" to destroy mortar shells, reports newsru.co.il with reference to a high-ranking source in the IDF Air Force.

"Iron dome" "taught" to shoot down mortar shells


Initially, the missile defense system was not intended to intercept mortar shells, since their trajectory and range differs from the missile.

Recently, however, the IDF received two upgraded batteries from the Raphael concern, on which a more powerful radar was installed, which shortened the time of fixing the launch of the rocket and calculating its interception point. The final debugging of additional batteries was made on the ground during the fighting.

According to the published data, the “Iron Dome” intercepted 10 large-caliber mortar shells with a range of over 7 kilometers.

According to the director general of the Raphael concern Edidi Yaari, in a year or two, work will be completed on the Iron Ray laser system, designed to intercept mortar shells. The prototype system was first shown to the public in February 2014 during the arms exhibition in Singapore.
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  1. +9
    14 August 2014 13: 21
    How much does a mine cost - and a rocket to bring it down ??? It doesn’t look like Jews ... 50 to 1 campaign
    1. Dart_Veyder
      +4
      14 August 2014 13: 23
      It looks like they are patching 250 S for hitting a rocket to citizens
    2. +2
      14 August 2014 13: 30
      You can’t get enough rockets to destroy mortar shells.
      1. +2
        14 August 2014 13: 36
        Hmm ... I wonder how long missiles will last for a continuous missile attack ... !!!
        1. Lohamey Herut
          0
          9 September 2014 17: 43
          Enough for 50 days
    3. +10
      14 August 2014 13: 32
      Quote: Rostovchanin
      How much does a mine cost - and a rocket to bring it down ??? It doesn’t look like Jews ... 50 to 1 campaign

      Consider not how much the mine itself costs, but how much damage it can cause.
      1. +4
        14 August 2014 13: 52
        Consider not how much the mine itself costs but how much damage it can cause

        Yes, you even think how much damage it will cause ... the mortar is easier to suppress with artillery ... in the extreme case of MLRS ... BUT NO ONE PRO SYSTEMS ... no one will cancel the economic component ... still would have connected the strategic nuclear forces to suppress the mortar
        1. +4
          14 August 2014 14: 19
          Quote: Rostovchanin
          Yes, you even think how much damage it will cause ... the mortar is easier to suppress with artillery ... in the extreme case of MLRS ... BUT NO ONE PRO SYSTEMS ... no one will cancel the economic component ... still would have connected the strategic nuclear forces to suppress the mortar

          Nobody suppresses the mortar systems with mortar systems, they intercept the mine. Mortar covers aircraft or artillery.
          1. 0
            14 August 2014 14: 40
            Nobody suppresses the mortar systems with mortar systems, they intercept the mine. Mortar covers aircraft or artillery.

            The professor is talking about neutralization ... do you really agree that it is not effective to intercept a missile defense system?
            1. +8
              14 August 2014 14: 44
              Quote: Rostovchanin
              The professor is talking about neutralization ... do you really agree that it is not effective to intercept a missile defense system?

              I disagree. When a mine is already on its way to me or to my house, then it is monopenesual for me to intercept it and how much it will cost the state. Tell the dead Russians from the Rostov region about the mine and "efficiency."
              1. +3
                14 August 2014 15: 06
                Professor, it is somewhat unethical to drag on this topic the dead Russians from the Rostov Region. What is happening to you with the Arabs, and what is happening in Ukraine are two different things.
                1. +10
                  14 August 2014 15: 10
                  Quote: UzRus
                  Professor, it is somewhat unethical to drag on this topic the dead Russians from the Rostov Region. What is happening to you with the Arabs, and what is happening in Ukraine are two different things.

                  Really? A mine flew in and killed a citizen. You can try to bring down a mine, or you can speculate about the cost-effectiveness of interception ...
                  1. +2
                    14 August 2014 15: 48
                    Here I agree with you - when it comes to the life of citizens, discussions about the economic component of interception should go by the wayside.
                    1. 0
                      14 August 2014 18: 11
                      Quote: UzRus
                      when it comes to the life of citizens, discussions about the economic component of interception should go by the wayside.

                      Yes, I agree. Only now such a promise became possible from the one-sidedness of the problem under discussion, namely, only from the point of view of the cost of mines - missiles. A little higher in the discussion, some commentators also hinted at the military aspect of this problem, but everyone began to count money.
                      And in a military aspect, it looks rather strange. Even from open sources it is clear that not all Palestinian missiles are shot down by this system, which are simply an enlarged version of firecrackers (in artisanal conditions you can’t make anything more practical). And this, given the much longer flight time of these missiles than mines. Accordingly, the time to make a decision is much longer. However, I believe that the electronics in Israel are strong enough and they are able to intercept mines based on the existing system. But the root of the problem is not whether they can intercept them or not. There are other military methods to neutralize mortar calculations, more effective. And other methods of resolving relationships.
                      1. +3
                        14 August 2014 20: 15
                        You, however, and many more, have a gross error in the discussion. Russian cities and Iranian fajers5 (made in China using Russian technologies) can hardly be called firecrackers.
                  2. 0
                    14 August 2014 23: 58
                    in future plans the laser will act.
                    it is possible that Putin means laser weapons in the Crimean military grouping.
                    Today, the United States has made great strides in this direction, so nuclear strategic missiles are no longer very scary ...
                2. +4
                  14 August 2014 15: 33
                  Professor, it is somewhat unethical to drag on this topic the dead Russians from the Rostov Region. What is happening to you with the Arabs, and what is happening in Ukraine are two different things.

                  Yes, there is a connection ... the connection is that some people kill others, covering up their actions, with their beliefs and material gain, it has always been this way, and it will be so for a long time - for a long time ...
                  1. +3
                    14 August 2014 15: 57
                    the connection is that some people kill others, covering up their actions, with their beliefs and material gain - Rostovite, but a stupid question is possible: What is the material benefit of Israel conducting warfare against Hamas-Mamas, who fire rockets at its territory, killing civilians and damaging infrastructure?
                    Professor, if you do not mind, you have the same question.
                    1. +1
                      14 August 2014 16: 04
                      Quote: UzRus
                      Professor, if you do not mind, you have the same question.

                      Israel from Hamas alone losses ...
                    2. +2
                      14 August 2014 16: 11
                      A Rostov resident, but a stupid question: Is there any material benefit to Israel conducting military operations against Hamas-Mamas, who fire rockets at its territory, killing civilians and damaging infrastructure?

                      One answer You do not exclude a religious component?
                      1. +2
                        14 August 2014 19: 47
                        And the religious component says: DO NOT KILL!
                3. +1
                  14 August 2014 23: 54
                  Once again proves the difference in the price of human life in different states.
                  One Jewish acquaintance told how one Jewish young man was killed, it was in Russia, she was very indignant. My wife says to her: - "Yes, in general, a lot of people are being killed and Russians too." The Jewess answers: - "There are many Russians of you" ...
                  We are not sorry, especially if we do not spare ourselves, therefore we are called the SAMOEDOV nation.
              2. +3
                14 August 2014 15: 10
                I disagree. When a mine is already on its way to me or to my house, then it is monopenesual for me to intercept it and how much it will cost the state. Tell the dead Russians from the Rostov region about the mine and "efficiency"

                My friend ... I myself am from the Rostov region ... I have refugees at home now (my relatives) a family from the Donetsk region ... 3 generations ... 9 people ... And I don't need to tell me what to "tell" .. YOU just think what a trained mortar battery can do in 1 minute of combat? This weapon is designed to suppress "manpower" ... you are fooled in Israel with the "Iron Dome", he can not oppose anything even to one mortar crew ... not to mention a massive attack ... rejoice in this vanderwufel ...
                1. +3
                  14 August 2014 15: 52
                  Quote: Rostovchanin
                  Man ...

                  You are not my friend to me.

                  Quote: Rostovchanin
                  you are fooled in Israel with the "Iron Dome"

                  Of course we are fooled. But where are the dead bodies of citizens?

                  Quote: Rostovchanin
                  Rejoice at this Vanderwoofer ..

                  Rejoice fellow
                  1. +4
                    14 August 2014 16: 02
                    You are not my friend to me.

                    All my life I thought that Jews are tolerant ... I was wrong about the campaign ...
                    1. +2
                      14 August 2014 16: 05
                      Quote: Rostovchanin
                      All my life I thought that Jews are tolerant ... I was wrong about the campaign ...

                      You do not have the right notion of tolerance, dear. I choose friends myself.
                      1. +5
                        14 August 2014 16: 08
                        I choose friends myself.

                        Excuse me ... I have Jewish friends ... I am not asking you personally at Drugany. Just because of the Soviet upbringing, I used to trust the interlocutor.
                2. +2
                  14 August 2014 20: 22
                  I ask for interference in your conversation, but the "iron dome" not only knocks down missiles - launch detection, accurate calculation of the trajectory and the place of the fall, launching an "air raid" signal in a certain area is also his responsibility.
        2. avg
          0
          14 August 2014 20: 25
          How much does a mine cost - and a rocket to bring it down ??? It doesn’t look like Jews ... 50 to 1 campaign

          This is not a military, but, in fact, an anti-terrorism system, and in this case other laws work. And when the military operation begins, you see the result on TV - in a week, the entire Gaza Strip and thousands of victims were destroyed.
        3. 0
          14 August 2014 23: 45
          it’s good to suppress in the open, and it will not be humane to the entire population reservation.
      2. 0
        14 August 2014 19: 09
        Quote: igor36
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        How much does a mine cost - and a rocket to bring it down ??? It doesn’t look like Jews ... 50 to 1 campaign

        Consider not how much the mine itself costs, but how much damage it can cause.

        And this is looking at whose head she will fall. And then a big profit can be organized
    4. +3
      14 August 2014 13: 35
      Quote: Rostovchanin
      How much does a mine cost - and a rocket to bring it down ??? It doesn’t look like Jews ... 50 to 1 campaign


      Why doesn't it look like? Strange you think, the most Jewish Jews who produce these missiles and systems make good money. Moreover, recently the big brother again allocated 260 million Baku rubles to Zh.K. Although some will seriously argue that it is not a pity for the safety of citizens.
    5. +3
      14 August 2014 13: 35
      Quote: Rostovchanin
      It doesn’t look like Jews ... 50 to 1 campaign

      They consider the cost of living, but you do not. smile It’s immediately obvious that you are Russian. smile
      1. +1
        14 August 2014 13: 42
        They consider the cost of living, but you do not.

        And what is the cost of living - if it equals the cost of a mortar shell?
        1. +1
          14 August 2014 13: 56
          Quote: Rostovchanin
          They consider the cost of living, but you do not.

          And what is the cost of living - if it equals the cost of a mortar shell?

          Americans, for example, do not take into account the cost of living at all.
        2. Vik.Tor
          0
          14 August 2014 13: 57
          Look how the iron "kumpol" in action - the powder pipes of the Palestinians are knocked down, but it is good for the Jews that the Palestinians do not have normal weapons, but here the iron pipe is against the super modern electronics.
          1. +3
            14 August 2014 14: 20
            Quote: Vik.Tor
            See how the iron kumpol in action - knocking down the powder pipes of the Palestinians,

            The standard shells of the MLRS Grad are not off-pipe.
          2. +2
            14 August 2014 20: 24
            You, however, and many more, have a gross error in reasoning. Russian cities and Iranian fajers5 (made in China using Russian technologies) can hardly be called firecrackers.
            1. -1
              15 August 2014 13: 31
              Quote: Egor65G
              You, however, and many more, have a gross error in reasoning. Russian cities and Iranian fajers5 (made in China using Russian technologies) can hardly be called firecrackers.


              Before pointing out errors, you would have studied the essence of the issue at least (as Professor advises everyone) in Google. An absolute dilettante can call the missiles "hail". Grad is the key word here SISTEMA. And the missiles have their own markings and names.
    6. +1
      14 August 2014 13: 58
      And you didn’t think about it at all. -How much does a human life cost? One mine can take several lives. Or for you the price of human life is cheaper than the cost of a rocket. Although for some individuals, life is worth a glass of swill.
      1. +2
        14 August 2014 14: 05
        Although for some individuals, life is worth a glass of swill.

        Oh Seryoga ... for some, life is not worth a glass without a drink ... do not be naive
        1. Precision
          0
          14 August 2014 15: 21
          In war, human life very often changes its value, and sometimes more than once.
    7. +5
      14 August 2014 14: 25
      It’s just like the Jews.
      Only they think otherwise. Mina 120 mm can
      kill up to 15 people in open areas. One
      a person "costs" the state about $ 1 million.
      The cost of the rocket is $ 30,000.
      30 thousand against 15 million.
      1. +4
        14 August 2014 14: 33
        It’s just like the Jews.
        Only they think otherwise. Mina 120 mm can
        kill up to 15 people in open areas. One
        a person "costs" the state about $ 1 million.
        The cost of the rocket is $ 30,000.
        30 thousand against 15 million.

        Oh guys ... even I'm not a Jew ... I can calculate that for killing 15 people with one mine ... you need ... 20-25 volleys ... if the terrain allows ... there were cases when 50 shells couldn’t to crush one firing point ... you don’t think so ... but to shoot down one mine - you can spend from 1 to 3 missiles ...
        1. +2
          14 August 2014 14: 52
          Oh guys ... even I'm not a Jew ... I can calculate that for killing 15 people with one mine ... you need ... 20-25 volleys ... if the terrain allows ... there were cases when 50 shells couldn’t to crush one firing point ... you don’t think so ... but to shoot down one mine - you can spend from 1 to 3 missiles ...

          Another infa for the uninformed ... 120 mm. Regimental mortar model 1943, fires 15 rounds per minute ... i.e. 12-13 shots are still in the air ... after 1 minute of a volley a change of position is made ... what will the "Iron Dome" do during this time ... I doubt the objectivity of this vandervufel ...
          1. +9
            14 August 2014 16: 23
            I am aware of mortars. I even experienced how mines fall belay .
            The problem is the first 1-3 mines. After them, the mortar is destroyed.
            Here for these three is the Iron Dome.
            Although the laser will be more handy. We will wait another year.
            1. 0
              14 August 2014 16: 28
              ... and what kind of reaction is this ... 1-3 mines ... i.e. with a volley it amounts to ... 10-15 seconds ... what is it suppressed for in such a short time?
              Although the laser will be more handy. We will wait another year.

              Do you have any idea of ​​the energy spent on the shot?
        2. Lohamey Herut
          0
          9 September 2014 17: 46
          But the house with one mine is easily destroyed - with people.
      2. Praetorian
        +1
        14 August 2014 14: 39
        And how is the cost of a person calculated for the state? It would be interesting to count for Russia.
      3. 0
        14 August 2014 15: 58
        One
        a person "costs" the state about $ 1 million.

        Damn ... if you do not have qualifications ... I'm afraid the state will not give a broken cent ...
        1. +5
          14 August 2014 16: 06
          Quote: Rostovchanin
          Damn ... if you do not have qualifications ... I'm afraid the state will not give a broken cent ...

          Yours may not give, and in Israel the benefit of the loss of a breadwinner is not very weak.
          1. +3
            14 August 2014 16: 18
            Yours may not give, and in Israel the benefit of the loss of a breadwinner is not very weak.

            What can I say ... carry such a state in your hands ... and notice ... the population of the Arab countries is growing, and in a progression close to geometric ... let's see what the Jews will contrast by 2040-50 ... I’m afraid of a situation without support The US will not be in your favor ...
            1. +1
              14 August 2014 21: 12
              Ha ha ha funny you
              .
              Quote: Rostovchanin
              the population of the Arab countries is growing, and in a progression close to geometric ... let's see what the Jews oppose by 2040-50.

              I recently saw a prayer of Muslims in Moscow city laughing This is where you turn your attention wink
    8. 0
      14 August 2014 14: 32
      in a year or two, work will be completed on the Iron Beam laser system, designed to intercept mortar shells. The prototype system was first shown to the public in February 2014 during an arms exhibition in Singapore.


      I don’t get it. What will the laser do? Like in Star Wars, chtol?)
      1. +3
        14 August 2014 14: 34
        Quote: Su24
        I don’t get it. What will the laser do? Like in Star Wars, chtol?)

        Something like that. wink
      2. +5
        14 August 2014 15: 19
        Quote: Su24
        I don’t get it. What will the laser do? Like in Star Wars, chtol?)


        The whole point of the problem is that the LCD does not have time to shoot down targets up to 7 km ("dead zone"), the Jews claim that up to 4 km. but the Iron Ray just closes this niche, becoming, as it were, another echelon (fourth level) of the object missile defense / air defense, which the object is actually small Israel. We have already discussed this topic here, IMHO for the conditions of Israel, this thing is effective, and on the issue of the price of a shot, the cost of each of which will be measured only by the cost of consumed electricity and depreciation costs, it is much higher than the same LCD. Where Us Rat ? In my opinion, this issue was also discussed with him on lasers in general.
        1. +1
          14 August 2014 17: 28
          Quote: Ascetic
          ]

          The whole point of the problem is that the LCD does not have time to shoot down targets up to 7 km ("dead zone"), the Jews claim that up to 4 km. but the Iron Ray just closes this niche, becoming, as it were, another echelon (fourth level) of the object missile defense / air defense, which the object is actually small Israel. We have already discussed this topic here, IMHO for the conditions of Israel, this thing is effective, and on the issue of the price of a shot, the cost of each of which will be measured only by the cost of consumed electricity and depreciation costs, it is much higher than the same LCD. Where Us Rat ? In my opinion, this issue was also discussed with him on lasers in general.

          as always when it comes to technical issues, it’s hard to disagree with your analysis. Everything is very clearly laid out.
      3. -1
        15 August 2014 13: 35
        Quote: Su24
        in a year or two, work will be completed on the Iron Beam laser system, designed to intercept mortar shells. The prototype system was first shown to the public in February 2014 during an arms exhibition in Singapore.


        I don’t get it. What will the laser do? Like in Star Wars, chtol?)


        Ohh, the laser is theirs all =). The elder brother has +100500 Boeing missile defense systems with a laser system flying around the clock around the United States and shooting down evil Iranian and North Korean warheads.
    9. 0
      14 August 2014 17: 20
      Quote: Rostovchanin
      How much does a mine cost - and a rocket to bring it down ??? It doesn’t look like Jews ... 50 to 1 campaign

      Steeper! A missile interceptor costs about $ 50, but the fact that it flies is about $ 000. I don’t know how much a mortar shell costs. It’s hardly expensive.
    10. Lohamey Herut
      0
      9 September 2014 17: 43
      And how much is the house that can be destroyed with this mortar shell?
  2. +6
    14 August 2014 13: 22
    Soon the bullets will shoot down. smile
    1. +3
      14 August 2014 13: 49
      Bullets, not bullets, but to shoot down projectiles flying from Ukraine to Rostov — it would be at least logical.
      1. -1
        14 August 2014 14: 02
        Bullets, not bullets, but to shoot down projectiles flying from Ukraine to Rostov — it would be at least logical.

        It was logical ... by what means do you please ??? In the Russian army there are many means, starting with the "cheap" ones, Pechora, Pantsir, Buk, Osa, S-300, S-400 ... if you take from the Belarusian Sea ... there are still many naval air defense (Calm, Fort, Dagger , Dagger, etc., etc.) ... well, why shoot down mortar shells ???
        1. Praetorian
          +2
          14 August 2014 14: 40
          You have already been explained on the fingers. What did you do the same thing?
  3. +4
    14 August 2014 13: 24
    All these developments of local spill, under local confrontation ...
    1. +9
      14 August 2014 13: 46
      You are 100% right, now this is exactly what it looks like. But in the future it can be a very serious complex for the protection of strategic objects, both mobile and stationary.
      1. Praetorian
        +2
        14 August 2014 14: 41
        The Israelis are doing the right thing. Klim says the case.
  4. sergey05
    +3
    14 August 2014 13: 26
    could it be cheaper to improve the living conditions of the Palestinians and promote peace? As we did in Chechnya.
    1. +4
      14 August 2014 16: 22
      Quote: sergey05
      could it be cheaper to improve the living conditions of the Palestinians and promote peace? As we did in Chechnya.


      There were enterprises, and the airport was being built, and the entrances / exits were open. That's just wandering guys did not really want to work and work to the glory of the fatherland. It was more profitable for them to start a terrorist fight against Israel and to get big grandmothers from Iran, Qatar and the like. By this decision, the Air Force and the army helped them get rid of factories, the airport and many other excesses that would not interfere with their struggle.
      In addition, you are not a naive person, and you should know that silence in Chechnya is paid in very sickly money. So it’s quiet there, while it’s beneficial to someone.
      1. +4
        14 August 2014 16: 50
        Quote: DanG73
        In addition, you are not a naive person, and you should know that silence in Chechnya is paid in very sickly money. So it’s quiet there, while it’s beneficial to someone.

        Definitely, they didn’t forgive and will never forgive (just as they didn’t forgive Tsarist Russia and Stalin), as soon as Russia’s grip loosens, they will rise and declare a good memory ...
        PS: what is passed off as "genocide" in Eastern Ukraine and does not stand next to the little Ushkaloy of the 2000 model, not to mention Grozny ...
        1. +1
          14 August 2014 17: 04
          I absolutely agree. The problems are that most people have a veil in their eyes, and they see and interpret only as they would like, without seeing the essence and the whole picture.
      2. sergey05
        0
        21 August 2014 09: 01
        Quote: DanG73
        There were enterprises, and the airport was being built, and the entrances / exits were open. That's just wandering guys did not really want to work and work to the glory of the fatherland. It was more profitable for them to start a terrorist fight against Israel and to get big grandmothers from Iran, Qatar and the like. For this decision


        Well, they wouldn’t stop at what had been achieved, would shoot all sorts of warriors and provocateurs, propagandize the world (even if by the complete capture of Palestine by Israel, this is not the worst option. They still don’t have their own state)
        And what you are doing now is only a permanent war and a constant threat of terrorist attack, or the complete destruction of the Palestinians ... then you yourself will be much worse than the Nazis.
  5. +1
    14 August 2014 13: 26
    Quote: Rostovchanin
    How much does a mine cost - and a rocket to bring it down ??? It doesn’t look like Jews ... 10 to 1 campaign


    It depends on what or whom to defend.
  6. 0
    14 August 2014 13: 26
    This system would be effective if instead of rockets fired with something else and cheap)
    And it’s about the same in efficiency with the Ukrainian moat - a volley of hail will not stand only single targets!

    But expensive and beautiful !!!
  7. +3
    14 August 2014 13: 27
    Quote: Rostovchanin
    How much does a mine cost - and a rocket to bring it down ??? It doesn’t look like Jews ...

    also thought about it drinks that is, if the Hamasians make simultaneous and intense shelling, will they knock everything down? .. I don’t believe it .. and if they shoot down the rockets, is that enough? .. and how much? laughing
    1. +2
      14 August 2014 14: 26
      Quote: el.krokodil
      if the Hamasites arrange a simultaneous and intense shelling, will they bring everything down?

      Then MLRS will mix everything with the ground, and when one or two stars are shot by the "world community" in response to Israel's "disproportionate" actions, it leaves no diplomatic stone unturned.
      1. +6
        14 August 2014 14: 40
        Have you ever thought that the "world community" is the US State Department represented by the obedient UN? The states did not hesitate to drown Libya, Ukraine and many people in blood under the silence of this public. You have a good ally, it will not let you bend, but it won’t let you win either ... tongue
      2. Tyumen
        0
        14 August 2014 22: 04
        Professor, you seem to be a smart person, but sometimes how do you blurt out, you start to think, maybe Stalin was mistaken in 1947?
  8. 0
    14 August 2014 13: 28
    Quote: Rostovchanin
    How much does a mine cost - and a rocket to bring it down ??? It doesn’t look like Jews ... 50 to 1 campaign

    I thought about it too
  9. +2
    14 August 2014 13: 30
    Having flown from Monchegorsk (Murmansk region), the pilots of the Western Military District (ZVO) performed a flight over the water area of ​​the Arctic Ocean and reached the extreme northern point of the globe.
    During the flight, the crews twice refueled in the air. This operation was performed in pairs. Pilots synchronously carried out the approach to the air tanker and at the same time pumped fuel into the tanks.
    Previously, ZVO pilots completed a flight from an airfield in the Voronezh Region to a military airfield in the Murmansk Region, having covered more than 2,5 thousand km without landings and refueling.
    The crew of four Su-34s took part in the training flight, which in total covered a distance of more than 50 thousand km in 3 days, having spent 20 hours each in the air during this time.
  10. -1
    14 August 2014 13: 31
    So far, it seems somehow not very, but over time, everything is developing air defense forces too
  11. MSA
    MSA
    0
    14 August 2014 13: 31
    The idea is good.
  12. -1
    14 August 2014 13: 33
    The truth about the Iron Dome:
    Hamas beats Israel in the dome
    On Thursday, the Iron Dome Israeli air defense system was once again able to shoot down several missiles launched in the direction of Tel Aviv by Hamas militants. At the same time, there have been more and more complaints about her work lately. In many respects, the effectiveness of the “dome” depends on the United States, where the enterprises producing components for Israeli air defense are located. The Pentagon asks for additional funds for the Iron Dome.
    The draft US budget for 2015 already pledged funds for the Iron Dome in the amount of $ 351 million, but the Pentagon needs money faster. According to the head of the military department, Chuck Hagel, an additional $ 225 million is required to produce spare parts for a system that saved "the countless lives of Israelis."
    The manufacturer of the Iron Dome is the Israeli company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, the second largest producer of military products in the country. At the same time, a large share of the funds for the maintenance and modernization of the system is allocated by the US government, which is in close allied relations with Israel. Some equipment is manufactured in America at Raytheon Co factories, as well as a number of smaller companies.
    However, Professor of Physics at the Massachusetts University of Technology Theodore Postol notes that in the absence of official statistics it is difficult to talk about the effectiveness of the Iron Dome.
    "The Israeli government is not telling the whole truth about the Iron Dome to its own people," Postol, a longtime air defense researcher, writes in a blog for the Bulletin of American Scientists, and other observers are increasingly making similar claims.
    http://news.ru.msn.com/politics/%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%81-%D0%B1%D1%8C%D0%B
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    1. +7
      14 August 2014 14: 33
      Quote: quilted jacket
      "The Israeli government is not telling the whole truth about the Iron Dome to its own people," Postol, who has spent many years researching air defense systems, writes in a blog post for the Bulletin of American Scientists.

      I have never heard a more idiotic statement in my life! laughing

      Like missiles actually fall on us, and the fact that we do not physically observe this is self-hypnosis? laughing laughing laughing
      But apparently from overseas it is better to see! wassat
      Logic "according to Psaki" - if theoretical speculation contradicts the facts - then these are incorrect facts! wassat wassat wassat

      6000 rockets on dense buildings and 1 killed - what "truth" is still needed? fool
      1. +2
        14 August 2014 14: 37
        Quote: And Us Rat
        6000 rockets on dense buildings and 2 killed - what "truth" is still needed?

        One killed. Only 3 civilians died - one from a rocket (went to photograph the work of the LCD) and two died from mines.
        1. Praetorian
          +2
          14 August 2014 14: 45
          A shot down 6000 missiles? Not bad.
          1. +1
            14 August 2014 17: 31
            Quote: Praetorian
            A shot down 6000 missiles? Not bad.

            About 15% were shot down; the rest exploded in the open.
        2. +2
          14 August 2014 15: 24
          Professor I suggest that all the tunnels under Gaza be flooded with veins and shake their veins.
          1. +4
            14 August 2014 16: 30
            The Egyptians are simple guys, and their decisions are simple: they fill tunnels from Gaza with liquid g .... m. laughing
            But we can’t - they will accuse of using bacteriological weapons. wassat
      2. 0
        14 August 2014 14: 45
        Quote: And Us Rat
        6000 rockets on dense buildings and 2 killed - what "truth" is still needed?

        The News - 600 Rocket wink
        1. +2
          14 August 2014 14: 47
          Quote: gandalf
          The News - 600 Rocket

          Thousands of rockets fired600 captured, the rest fell in the open, one dead.
      3. 0
        14 August 2014 15: 27
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Quote: quilted jacket
        "The Israeli government is not telling the whole truth about the Iron Dome to its own people," Postol, who has spent many years researching air defense systems, writes in a blog post for the Bulletin of American Scientists.

        I have never heard a more idiotic statement in my life! laughing

        Like missiles actually fall on us, and the fact that we do not physically observe this is self-hypnosis? laughing laughing laughing
        But apparently from overseas it is better to see! wassat
        Logic "according to Psaki" - if theoretical speculation contradicts the facts - then these are incorrect facts! wassat wassat wassat

        6000 rockets on dense buildings and 1 killed - what "truth" is still needed? fool


        Where did you read the fairy tale about 6 thousand rockets or again invented yourself smile
        Even according to your press (for the last 3 months):
        August: 113 attacks, 268 missiles, 51 missiles shot down by the Iron Dome missile defense system. 9 wounded (as of August 9).

        July: 900 attacks, 2.462 rockets - 12 killed, 63 wounded. 559 missiles were shot down by the Iron Dome missile defense system.

        June: 31 shelling, 68 rockets - 3 wounded. 11 missiles were shot down by the Iron Dome missile defense system.
        http://newsru.co.il/arch/mideast/09aug2014/azakot8001.html
        1. 0
          14 August 2014 15: 54
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Where did you read the fairy tale about 6 thousand rockets or again invented yourself

          You showed it in 3 months, but before your friends did not shoot Hamasniks? wink
  13. Dart_Veyder
    +4
    14 August 2014 13: 39

    Iron Dome version 2.0
  14. +2
    14 August 2014 13: 41
    More about the system:
    The Iron Dome missile defense system did not live up to expectations
    The United States spends millions of dollars to finance the Israeli army, including the Iron Dome missile defense system, designed to protect against unguided tactical missiles. But an expensive system does not live up to its expectations.
    The idea of ​​creating an Iron Dome missile defense system belongs to Israel, but is funded by the United States.
    Recently, Washington allocated $ 680 million for a missile interception system, which, according to the proponents of this project, the share of successfully completed operations is 80%. However, experts say the figure is greatly exaggerated.
    http://rt-russian.livejournal.com/1746971.html
    And the video:
    1. +4
      14 August 2014 14: 30
      Quote: quilted jacket
      The Iron Dome missile defense system did not live up to expectations

      Did not live up to your Hamas expectations. Thousands of missiles on densely populated Israeli territory and just one dead and that foreign worker. Bummer ...
      1. +3
        14 August 2014 14: 34
        How did you not save a foreign worker?
        1. 0
          14 August 2014 14: 37
          Quote: UzRus
          How did you not save a foreign worker?

          I came to photograph the work of the LCD ... request
          1. +1
            14 August 2014 14: 45
            Professor, you quoted me wrong ... request
      2. 0
        14 August 2014 14: 46
        Where are the thousands from? In the news - 600 missiles.
        Is it your math? wink
        1. +2
          14 August 2014 14: 48
          Quote: gandalf
          Is it your math?

          I have this knowledge of materiel.
      3. +2
        14 August 2014 16: 29
        Did not live up to your Hamas expectations. Thousands of missiles on densely populated Israeli territory and just one dead and that foreign worker. Bummer ...

        The Thai seems to have just worked on the field. Another Bedouin alone died under Beer Sheva. He flew into the tent. Both cases in an open area that the LCD does not cover.
    2. +1
      14 August 2014 14: 45
      Quote: quilted jacket
      ... the share of successfully completed operations is 80%. However, experts say that the figure is greatly exaggerated ....

      Keep faking on these fantasies laughing
      The facts are "slightly" different:
      ... the anticipated military effectiveness of the LCD was estimated at 80%, in fact, the system showed an efficiency of over 90%, exceeding military expectations...

      Py.Sy. - South Korea plans to acquire the Iron Dome.
      1. 0
        14 August 2014 15: 31
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Quote: quilted jacket
        ... the share of successfully completed operations is 80%. However, experts say that the figure is greatly exaggerated ....

        Keep faking on these fantasies laughing
        The facts are "slightly" different:
        ... the anticipated military effectiveness of the LCD was estimated at 80%, in fact, the system showed an efficiency of over 90%, exceeding military expectations...

        Py.Sy. - South Korea plans to acquire the Iron Dome.


        The facts themselves invented, how about 6 thousand rockets?
  15. Crimea-nyash
    +1
    14 August 2014 13: 42
    an iron dome, a wooden dome, all this is good against a limited number of goals. It’s necessary to check, to cassette from a hurricane .. or at least a division of hailstones. all these domes, mistrali were created against the v. from the countries of the third world. as well as their merkava that it burns with a shot from a bumblebee in the forehead no worse than the abrams struck aboard from RPG-7.
    1. Praetorian
      +4
      14 August 2014 14: 47
      Oh my god .. what are you talking about ...
    2. +2
      14 August 2014 18: 32
      Quote: Crimea-nyash
      an iron dome, a wooden dome, all this is good against a limited number of goals. It’s necessary to check, to cassette from a hurricane .. or at least a division of hailstones. all these domes, mistrali were created against the v. from the countries of the third world. as well as their merkava that it burns with a shot from a bumblebee in the forehead no worse than the abrams struck aboard from RPG-7.

      The crystal clear stream of consciousness is not clouded by excessive intelligence. laughing
      1. Stypor23
        +4
        14 August 2014 18: 47
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Crystal clear stream of consciousness not obscured by excessive intelligence

        Oh, how nice, nice to say. winked
        1. +1
          14 August 2014 19: 10
          Quote: Stypor23
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Crystal clear stream of consciousness not obscured by excessive intelligence

          Oh, how nice, nice to say. winked

          Always bully
          Although in the original it was - "a clear look, not overshadowed by a shade of intelligence." This is either from "Schweik", or from "Chonkin", I don't remember.
    3. Tyumen
      +2
      14 August 2014 22: 14
      * Bumblebee * what does it have to do with it? He is not cumulative.
  16. +3
    14 August 2014 13: 43
    Hmm, well done Israelis! A rocket in a mine is very cool!
  17. +3
    14 August 2014 13: 45
    Now the Israelites will come and sing psalms to the "iron dome" laughing
  18. +1
    14 August 2014 13: 54
    The question is how many missiles will the "iron dome" intercept if the bombardment is carried out by a hail division.
    1. +3
      14 August 2014 14: 11
      Quote: bmv04636
      The question is how many missiles will the "iron dome" intercept if the bombardment is carried out by a hail division.

      You can count, But if you destroy the radars of the Dome pointwise, then you can not count! Not how much!
    2. +5
      14 August 2014 14: 56
      Not at all. Will not need. Gradov Division - easy prey for aviation.
      Hamas then shoots from underground disguised mines and charges
      made from underground.
      1. +1
        14 August 2014 15: 17
        And if it is guarded by the armor division and S-300
        1. Tyumen
          +1
          14 August 2014 22: 17
          Do not tell. Bearded baboons - * Armor *? And the S-300?
        2. 0
          15 August 2014 01: 36
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Gradov Division - easy prey for aviation.


          Quote: bmv04636
          And if it is guarded by the armor division and the S-300.


          In particular, this is a discussion of a spherical horse in a vacuum.
          In theory, this is a solvable task, the whole question is the expenditure of funds.
          There is something to crush both the Carapace and the S-300, and even the S-400, it just all costs a lot of money.
          Air defense without air cover - this is a turtle, no matter how strong the shell is - the eagle will still devour it anyway.
  19. Stypor23
    +1
    14 August 2014 14: 06
    Already tired of the bazaars about the effectiveness of the dome. Be it, illegal gangs are very, very, very interested in causing enormous damage to the EGI, dust would have been perfect for a long time, at least attempts to destroy these LCDs.
  20. 0
    14 August 2014 14: 32
    Stupid urya-! Let the Jews even shoot down stones with rockets. You cretins just to cheer. And you have nothing to say about the case. Let at least 100 missiles be spent on 1 mine, if only they did not hit the target. I think systems of the "iron storm" type would also be effective.
    1. Crimea-nyash
      -1
      14 August 2014 14: 43
      in the hail division for a volley, approximately 720 missiles fly out, at the rate of two missiles for one hail, 1440 missiles are needed .. + hail reload time, well, let it be 1 hour - in total, at least a couple of echelons with spare ammunition should be on the fire dome. . Well, this dome is not nonsense in a more or less serious mess ??? Yes and etozh how many launchers should be placed and where?
      1. +4
        14 August 2014 14: 50
        Quote: Crimea-nyash
        in the city division

        Do not proceed further. Who will let you deploy not just a division, a full-time full-time PU Grad?
        1. +3
          14 August 2014 15: 11
          Who will let you deploy not just a division, a full-time full-time PU Grad? - Only dark, dark night ... laughing
          1. +4
            14 August 2014 16: 04
            Quote: UzRus
            Only dark, dark night ... laughing


            This is if you do not take into account that drones do not care what time to fly. At night they see how during the day.
          2. 0
            14 August 2014 16: 14
            Night just does not help. F-16 and F-15 are all-weather, they fly and bomb the same night and day. URs and guidance tools work that day, that night is equivalent.
            If the Grad S-300 installations are covered, then - is another matter.
            1. 0
              15 August 2014 02: 08
              Quote: voyaka uh
              If the Grad S-300 installations are covered, then - is another matter.

              C'mon ..., you can cover it with something simpler, and then so immediately and with-300 ... hi
          3. Crimea-nyash
            -1
            14 August 2014 22: 24
            but did Iraq manage to hide and conduct firing from opto-skad? although the NATO and Israel intensively searched for them day and night ...
            1. +1
              15 August 2014 01: 38
              Quote: Crimea-nyash
              but did Iraq manage to hide and conduct firing from opto-skad? although the NATO and Israel intensively searched for them day and night ...

              Remind me how it all ended? laughing
        2. +2
          15 August 2014 02: 06
          Professor, how can you ban us?
          We are sorry, not PapuansPalestinians and other Arabs you are used to fighting with.
          The warriors somehow do not really work out from the Arabs, apparently Allah interferes with his Akbar. laughing
          1. -3
            15 August 2014 02: 46
            Quote: Wheel
            Professor, how can you ban us?

            Elementary, you do not have enough logistic capabilities (even with the Mistrals) to bring a more or less seriously threatening group of troops to the distance of direct clash, when you have at least 4-5 AUGs, then you can talk about something else.
            You have nothing to catch on our field; history confirms this more than once. We are better armed, better prepared, and most importantly, MOTIVED better. This is not bravado - it is a fact.
            The only thing you can really threaten us with is nuclear weapons, but this is an irrational threat, since a counter-strike will inflict such damage on you, after which you will be quickly "eaten up" by everyone, from China to the Anglo-Saxons, 100 warheads in cities with a million population and strategically important points - more than enough to bring down your demographics, economy and military potential, you will become easy prey. I doubt that the destruction of small Israel is worth such a price (unless you are an Islamist fanatic, of course)
            The layout is clear?
            1. +1
              15 August 2014 05: 54
              The Mistral order is more a political decision than an economic one. we have the capacity to build such ships!
              There were a lot of people like you who wanted to destroy us, but only broke their teeth, and the Arabs, and the Anglo-Saxons, Germans and Co. fields, the level of training of fighters and motivation are of great importance! If you want to measure your mercy, please visit the tank biathlon!
              And to compare our sun with yours is not correct.
              1. 0
                15 August 2014 10: 48
                Quote: Cormorants
                There were a lot of people like you who wanted to destroy us ...

                But this is paranoia and lecimeter! negative To this day, you have repeatedly tried to destroy us with the hands of Arabs, so you would be ashamed to touch on this topic in general. negative

                Quote: Cormorants
                And to compare our sun with yours is not correct ....

                Of course it’s incorrect, our armed forces are focused on protecting the country, and yours (like the Yankees) is an instrument of geopolitical games. No.
          2. +2
            15 August 2014 11: 56
            Quote: Wheel
            Professor, how can you ban us?

            Yeah, the approach means Kantemirov’s division and the distance of the MLRS shot to Israel ... laughing
        3. Diver
          0
          15 August 2014 08: 14
          Yes, it’s hard to fight, with your hands tied and your mouth shut, against a noisy rival with a democratic flag.
  21. dzau
    +3
    14 August 2014 15: 11
    Quote: Rostovchanin
    Yes, you even think how much damage it will cause ... the mortar is easier to suppress with artillery ... in the extreme case of MLRS ... BUT NO ONE PRO SYSTEMS ... no one will cancel the economic component ... still would have connected the strategic nuclear forces to suppress the mortar

    They wrote about it many times: like a concrete wall.

    While zhiruyut and train on the Papuans - that ride. Because knocking down unmanaged PCs and mines does not carry other purposes than advertising.

    But when the databases go seriously and to exhaustion all this advertising crap will crumble about economic inexpediency.

    Quote: Crimea-nyash
    in the hail division for a volley, approximately 720 missiles fly out, at the rate of two missiles for one hail, 1440 missiles are needed .. + hail reload time, well, let it be 1 hour - in total, at least a couple of echelons with spare ammunition should be on the fire dome. . Well, this dome is not nonsense in a more or less serious mess ??? Yes and etozh how many launchers should be placed and where?

    Do not bring our Middle Eastern friends to hysteria) They have too thin mental organization for such calculations.
  22. +2
    14 August 2014 15: 42
    Israeli officers, except for children, can no longer kill anything no matter how much they are taught
    1. +1
      14 August 2014 15: 52
      Do not write nonsense.
      1. dzau
        +5
        14 August 2014 16: 25
        Is he wrong? If you look at the situation on a large scale, the regular army is hammering in settlements (I wonder how the families of these same soldiers would have screamed if someone else's regular army was hammering at their homes?) In search of some "terrorists" (which are the whole population of Arab that region, if we take for "terrorists" people driven to despair, as is customary in Tel Aviv).

        To put it bluntly, it carries out punitive actions or intimidation actions in the conquered territory. Not against another regular army (it is not there) - against an alien population. For decades. And this is a war with women and children.

        Challenge this with the facts? If there is nothing to argue - "nonsense" you wrote.
    2. +4
      14 August 2014 16: 42
      According to statistics from the last war of 1900 Palestinians killed
      about 2/3 - men from 18 to 50 years old. Israel estimates
      the number of militants killed is 900, Hamas is 600.
      The percentage of children killed is very small, many times lower than in
      modern wars in densely populated areas. This is because
      that the population is given sufficient time to leave home
      before shelling or attack.
  23. +2
    14 August 2014 15: 59
    There is a system, moreover, normal, well-functioning and operational. It intercepts shaitan pipes, hailstones, Iranian missiles, and now mines with an accuracy of -90%. If such a system were Russian, stood on the drain with Ukraine and saved lives, all urapatriots would squeal with happiness and write in boiling water. And I'm sure that none of you would ask how much the interceptor missile costs.
    1. -2
      14 August 2014 16: 30
      Between our countries (Israel and Russia) a huge difference we do not carry out punitive operations, not at home, not in other countries.
      And we have systems for shooting down small-sized targets (including aviation, etc. ammunition) "TOR", "Pantsir".
      1. +1
        14 August 2014 16: 45
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Between our countries (Israel and Russia) a huge difference we do not carry out punitive operations, not at home, not in other countries.


        Have you been offered a job at Al Jazeera? You would do well. laughing
        And about "punitive operations", go learn the materiel (and preferably not from pro-Arab resources)
      2. 0
        14 August 2014 21: 46
        Tell it to the Chechens wink
    2. 0
      14 August 2014 16: 32
      Do not discover America. Everyone here understands everything perfectly.
  24. 0
    14 August 2014 16: 22
    Quote: professor
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Where did you read the fairy tale about 6 thousand rockets or again invented yourself

    You showed it in 3 months, but before your friends did not shoot Hamasniks? wink


    Well then, after all, not one dead smile
    Six thousand rockets have been approximately fired around Israel since 2006, with: killing 6 people
    590 injured
    Figures taken from here: http: //newsru.co.il/arch/mideast/09aug2014/azakot8001.html
  25. 0
    14 August 2014 16: 26
    As I understand it, Hamas pitted tunnels to dig, and in Kuyev it is full of installations of hail and shells and warrant officers of Ukrainians. So if you wish, you can collect the secretive dispersed division
    1. dzau
      0
      14 August 2014 16: 54
      Quote: bmv04636
      as I understand Hamas pitted tunnels to dig, and in kuev full of installations of hail and shells and warrant officers Ukrainians. So if you wish, you can collect the secretive dispersed division

      It is enough for someone to help collect tactical nuclear weapons. Notify about this openly. Punitive operations will quietly end quietly, and superhuman will instantly become polite and adequate in matters not only of their own, but also of someone else's life and security.

      And to do this is very easy: they understand this perfectly.

      They generally have a wonderful understanding of power. In the situation described, it lies in the fact that no modern armed forces, no presence of their own nuclear weapons will help anything: there will be no open external aggression. But in response to another punitive action, you can suddenly find that Haifa and Tel Aviv are a bit like Hiroshima.

      Quite a sufficient deterrent and excellent motivation for adequate thinking.

      Moreover, such a moment is just a symmetrical answer. After all, Israel’s nuclear weapons sailed in exactly the same way to them - except on the other hand.
      1. 0
        15 August 2014 02: 14
        Quote: dzau
        It’s enough to help someone collect tactical nuclear weapons

        God forbid giving nuclear weapons to the Papuans!
        This is a monkey with a grenade!

        The rest is theoretically true.
  26. +1
    14 August 2014 16: 38
    Missile launch. The video is old, but I think little has changed. Partisans, what to take from them. smile :
  27. +2
    14 August 2014 16: 48
    The "iron dome" is probably good, but it won't solve the problem. You must either negotiate with your opponent or complete complete destruction. And so you will fight for more than one hundred years.
    1. +3
      14 August 2014 17: 22
      You are right, only our opponents are ... Islamists,
      in a word. It’s easier to learn all the Chinese characters than to agree on them.
      While there were Palestinians, nationalist-socialists, like Arafat, you can still
      there was something to fool around about. And that did not work out. All of them for military exploits
      pulled ... well, and steal financial assistance from Europe.
      Islamists gain strength in Russia (and this is inevitable, unfortunately - a disease
      spreading over the planet) You will better understand Israel.
      1. Stypor23
        0
        14 August 2014 18: 04
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Easier to learn all Chinese characters

        You do not be offended of course, but your Arabic alphabet is also not a gift. I've been trying a couple of words to remember their one and the other languages, but could not. No.. So, teach the Russian language, the younger brother of the Hero of Israel.
  28. +2
    14 August 2014 17: 04
    Quote: DanG73
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Between our countries (Israel and Russia) a huge difference we do not carry out punitive operations, not at home, not in other countries.


    Have you been offered a job at Al Jazeera? You would do well. laughing
    And about "punitive operations", go learn the materiel (and preferably not from pro-Arab resources)

    What "Al-Jazeera", you see the whole world is outraged, your aggression is not provoked by anything. And these are not only Arab countries:
    1. Stypor23
      0
      14 August 2014 17: 27
      Quote: quilted jacket
      What "Al Jazeera", you look the whole world is outraged

      The most interesting thing is not to watch these videos, but to read what the YouTube people write. smile
      1. -2
        14 August 2014 17: 43
        Quote: Stypor23
        The most interesting thing is not to watch these videos, but to read what youtubers write

        I agree..! Israel will obviously soon be on the "dome" for its arrogance and impunity .. I smell genes))) bully
        1. Stypor23
          +3
          14 August 2014 17: 47
          Quote: MIKHAN
          I agree..! Israel will obviously soon be on the "dome" for its arrogance and impunity .. I smell genes)))



          A Jew fell into the anti-world. He walks along the anti-street, looks at the anti-houses. He knocked on the anti-door, and the anti-Semite opens to him.
          laughing
    2. +1
      15 August 2014 02: 18
      Quote: quilted jacket
      you look the whole world is indignant, with your aggression not provoked by anything. And these are not only the Arab countries:

      Oh, nah!
      All this canoe started to divert attention from events in Ukraine.
      Forgot who calls the tune "all over the world"?
  29. -1
    14 August 2014 17: 27
    I look everything in the collection .. fellow
  30. 0
    14 August 2014 17: 48
    Hmm) g. Jews and as radars "zh.kupola" carry out target selection. How a mine is distinguished from a flying bird. If they can do it at all.
    1. +1
      14 August 2014 17: 58
      Quote: formidable
      Hmm) g. Jews and as radars "zh.kupola" carry out target selection. How a mine is distinguished from a flying bird. If they can do it at all.

      They can all ..))) they will shoot down sparrows cleanly bully And then, as usual, airstrikes and "carrots" twig .. then a truce for 72 hours .. everything is stereotyped .. (only the number of corpses will increase every time "not sparrows" of course ..
  31. -1
    14 August 2014 18: 38
    Death to Hamas! Raffia destroyed! Gas-continuation of the route √6 soldier
    1. +1
      14 August 2014 19: 45
      As I understand it, the Palestinians are the direct descendants of real Jews who subsequently converted to Islam and Christianity, and their descendants are thrashing the Khazar Turks who converted to Judaism and consider themselves Jews d.ZhK is the most kosher air defense complex with an efficiency of 200% ...... yes, however, the Lord’s insult [ .....] minuses will stick
      1. +3
        14 August 2014 19: 49
        Yeah schaaaaas! wassat
        You would have to master the history of that land!
        1. +1
          14 August 2014 20: 04
          fornication and lies in a bit too much in the so-called history, I recommend reading the works of Gilad Atzmon and Shlom Zand, Lopatin [Skiger Matrix]
        2. +2
          14 August 2014 20: 14
          I don’t suffer from anti-Semitism, political officers from both sides are pouring oil into the fire. Palestinians, like Jews, are completely deprived of people, and we must try to give them the opportunity to live as people and live peacefully
  32. kirqiz ssr
    0
    14 August 2014 19: 30
    if you can actually launch a rocket with a rebu system, no iron dome will help
    1. +3
      14 August 2014 21: 43
      Quote: Kirqiz SSR
      if you can actually launch a rocket with a rebu system, no iron dome will help


      If you can actually launch a rocket with an electronic warfare system, and also launch the C300, as well as planes and ships with submarines, and also tanks and self-propelled guns, then you are right - no iron dome will help. laughing
  33. +1
    14 August 2014 19: 56
    http://www.kpe.ru/sobytiya-i-mneniya/ocenka-sostavlyayuschih-jizni-obschestva/zd
    orove-cheloveka-orujie-genocida / 4968-indestructible-rock-at-the-cost-of-one-to-t
    hirty The leadership of the State of Israel, for its part, voiced the following objectives of the Israeli army operation in the Gaza Strip:

    The purpose of the ground operation of the Israeli army, as reported on the official Facebook page of the government of the State of Israel, is "the destruction of underground terrorist tunnels penetrating from the Gaza Strip into Israel."

    The overall goal of the operation of the State of Israel against the Gaza Strip, as reported there, is "to restore security to Israeli citizens and restore peace in the country."

    "Operation Unbreakable Rock will continue until its main goal is achieved - the return of peace to the citizens of Israel for a long time by destroying the infrastructure of Hamas and other terrorist organizations in the Gaza Strip."

    However, nothing is said about a possible change in the status of the Gaza Strip or the lifting of the blockade. Also, nothing is said about the ways in which the state of Israel plans to achieve these goals. The lack of political goals for the state of Israel suggests that the current operation in the Gaza Strip is another punitive operation that differs from the previous one only by the introduction of ground forces into the Gaza Strip.

    It is easy to understand who is right in this conflict and what its parties are striving for by comparing the goals of the parties to the conflict. On the one hand - the desire for a normal life in his small state, on the other hand - the continuation of the policy of occupation, blockade and creeping genocide, the policy of continuing the constant violence of one people against another.

    How did this war begin? Palestinian launch of missiles from the Gaza Strip was a response to the Israeli police and army operation on the West Bank.

    Quote:

    "During the punitive operation, the Israelis killed eleven Palestinians, including several children, of which the youngest is seven years old. Five hundred people have been thrown into prison, including the speaker of the Palestinian parliament. Several houses have been destroyed."

    "But this is not enough - the Israeli media and politicians have ignited a fire of national hysteria. On Israeli forums, they call for the killing of all Palestinians, while the more liberal and kind-hearted propose only to expel four million goyim. Jerusalem tram.

    The body of another Palestinian child was found today (Wednesday), allegedly kidnapped and killed by Jewish extremists. Residents of the Palestinian districts of East Jerusalem say that cars with unknown persons are spinning through their streets and trying to grab and take away children, and the Israeli police do not react. "

    The spiral of violence in the Middle East has not yet stopped. The Government of Israel calls on reservists. Only the salary of only one reservist costs the Israeli treasury about $ 100 a day. This is among other expenses per person. Several thousand reservists ....
  34. +2
    14 August 2014 20: 11
    The Iron Dome is a specific weapon for a specific conflict. If the customer is satisfied, then it makes sense to produce and upgrade it.
    Quote: kirqiz SSR
    if you can actually launch a rocket with a rebu system, no iron dome will help

    no electronic warfare is needed, it all boils down to rocket modernization.
    These studies co-finance mattress covers and for a reason. If such a technology is turned against us, then there will be a worthy answer.
  35. +4
    15 August 2014 01: 42
    Quote: Rostovchanin
    How much does a mine cost - and a rocket to bring it down ??? It doesn’t look like Jews ... 50 to 1 campaign

    Here, most likely, they did not compare the cost of the mine, but the probable magnitude of the consequences of its use. Looks like they decided it was worth it - Jews know how to count money hi
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    15 August 2014 02: 58
    Quote: Kirqiz SSR
    if you can actually launch a rocket with a rebu system, no iron dome will help


    it’s not rab, but it would be interesting to find out the effectiveness of the LCD on missiles with a quasi-ballistic trajectory.

    but in general, about the modernization of missiles, you can, after all, go along the path of creating deceptions, oh, if you remember my rocket-modeling past, it is quite possible to grab a rocket with separable parts on your knee, and even cover these parts with crumpled foil so that it would shine brighter and play with the LCD into the game "guess what to shoot down." So you can even try to maximize the number of anti-missile launches. winked
    His but of course the goal selection system will say.
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      15 August 2014 18: 41
      So you described junk wink
      For a long time all this has been, now the warheads are actively misleading the enemy. We have practically no "dull" warheads with a single charge left. smile
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    15 August 2014 18: 37
    Quote: Rostovchanin
    How much does a mine cost - and a rocket to bring it down ??? It doesn’t look like Jews ... 50 to 1 campaign

    Yes, it's generally some kind of fantasy. Missing a missile is not a problem, but an unguided projectile? Only a land mine that exploded nearby, and this is nonsense.

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