Rostislav Ischenko: The time has come

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I do not know whether the militia will reach Kiev on its own or whether Putin will still have to send an army to Ukraine. I do not know whether the offensive will begin tomorrow or in a week. It seems to me the most reasonable to deliver the main blow to Kharkov.

The main forces and the most combat-ready parts of the junta are in the south - they tried to break through the encirclement of the southern group, encircle Donetsk and cut the territory of Novorossia in two, and Kiev is relatively weak in the Kharkov direction, but I am not sure that it will hit because I do not own the operational situation in the theater of operations. I only understand that the militia has the strength to only one strike, and there is no room for error in choosing a direction.

One thing I can say for sure: from a strategic and geopolitical point of view, the time for an attack on the junta has come, and if this moment is missed, then after three or four (or maybe two) weeks the situation may deteriorate again - the window of opportunity is never open for long .

What do we have for today?
1. The junta is able to continue offensive actions only on certain sectors, with a narrow front and limited goals, its forces are exhausted, and the effect of semi-disruptive, but still ongoing mobilization will manifest itself not earlier than in two or four weeks.
2. The downed Boeing is already playing against the junta, and in a week or two the informational effect of the release of evidence of a deliberate terrorist act organized by Kiev will reach its peak.
3. Contradictions within the junta intensified, and the smartest think about whom to shift responsibility and how to escape, and the most stupid - how to seize power for even half an hour.
4. The militia, due to trophies from the southern boiler, doubled the number of armored vehicles in their units.
5. Europe is experiencing the effect of unexpected Russian sanctions. In the EU, it will be extremely difficult to make a decision about the next turn of the confrontation with Russia.
6. In the "patients" of Kolomoisky territories of the South-East (in Zaporizhia, Odessa, Kharkov, even in Dnepropetrovsk), partisan activity begins to manifest itself.
7. On the other hand, the situation in Donetsk and Luhansk is such that the population is unlikely to be able to tolerate the situation of a humanitarian catastrophe. Perhaps people will not come out against the militia, but civilian casualties will be so high that even in the case of the most brilliant victory, the Russians will blame their power for a long time, that in front of her thousands would kill Russians, and she wouldn’t help (and to end).
8. On the geopolitical playing field, the United States will not be in a state of frustration either. If the moment is missed, they will again find arguments for the EU, pump up the junta financially and technically and transfer the war to the positional stage. If the junta manages to survive the winter, then by spring there will be no one to free (the junta will not kill anyone, they will die out).

From 11 and until about August 25 (possibly until the end of the month), a unique situation develops when both the situation on the fronts of the Southeast and the general geopolitical situation favor the beginning of the defeat of the junta.

Further events may develop in different ways. The front can collapse almost instantly, the army after the first significant defeat can simply disappear from the battlefield (and partly even go to Kiev). But theoretically, the junta has the ability to temporarily stabilize the front and provide an organized departure. While retreating, she can resist on three frontiers, hoping to exhaust the militia and gain time for a change in her favor of the international situation, or, finally, for an acceptable peace. These frontiers, with some degree of conditionality: Kharkiv (the junta will try to retain the first capital and the center of another region of the South-East, do not allow the Kharkiv People’s Republic to take place), Poltava ) and Kiev (an attempt to gain a foothold on the right bank of the Dnieper and Desna and retain the capital).

In the latter case, if the junta succeeds in preserving at least the conditional combat capability of the army and ensuring organized departure, all of the Left Bank is expected to die and be destroyed.

First, “in war, as in war,” and, even though the militia are not Hunt punitive, but fighting in the city involves destruction, and Kharkov, for example, cannot be circumvented, it can only be taken.

Secondly, the junta itself will try to destroy everything that can and will succeed, leaving the militia to burn out the scorched earth (in retaliation for its defeat) and blaming it on the militia — the blame for the humanitarian catastrophe throughout Ukraine. This will confirm the version of the junta that death and destruction occur where the militia comes. It is unlikely that the junta will help, but after all, Goebbels also lied to the end.

Thus, today the situation is such that it is necessary to attack, but the quick defeat of the junta, due to the immediate collapse of the front, is not guaranteed. The shaft of the civil war can return to its roots.

This will certainly satisfy the legitimate revenge of many anti-fascists, especially the citizens of the DPR / LPR who survived Stalingrad and the blockade of Leningrad in one bottle, but will drastically worsen the possibilities of a post-war settlement, regardless of whether then trimmed boundaries) or not.

Correct the situation and help the junta to collapse quickly could enter the Russian army through Sumy and Chernigov to Kiev, and from the sea - to Odessa, and from there - to Kherson, Nikolaev, Transnistria. This option leads to a lightning military victory, but its political effect is unpredictable.

It is not clear how Europe has been taught by the tough Russian response to sanctions in order to come to terms with this development of events. It is also unclear how ready she will be to abandon her original version with Boeing and unconditionally accept the evidence of the guilt of Ukraine (for the EU, this will be a significant loss of face).

Nevertheless, there is not much choice. Without using the moment, you can not get the next one. The militia cannot guarantee a quick victory on its own. The prolongation of the conflict and the further spread of bloodshed on the entire Left Bank or even on most of the territory of Ukraine leads to potentially large political costs. The introduction of troops, although it does not guarantee political problems, at least provides for further senseless sacrifices and destruction for which the agonizing junta is not stingy and, in the medium term (though not immediately), has good chances of being post-factum approved by Europe. Especially if the Poles, Hungarians and Romanians will get on their piece of cake.

Let's see how events will develop further. Putin constantly surprises the “city and the world” by finding the third option among the two possible, but the time to make a responsible decision (whatever that decision may be) has come.
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  1. +11
    14 August 2014 08: 03
    And I think that it would be more logical to remove the top of the junta, along with particularly ardent oligarchs physically: poisoning, car accident, well, in extreme cases, an ice ax. That would really stop the bloodshed and then the militia would reach Lviv without obstacles. Or are these special services no longer using?
    1. +11
      14 August 2014 08: 18
      Hmm ... To replace these Nazi clowns ... Other puppets will come !!! Liquidation will be needed only after the defeat of the junta ... So that everyone would understand the payback is IMPOSSIBLE !!!
      1. +2
        14 August 2014 08: 48
        They have been preparing puppets for years, and the people’s consciousness for their coming, take away the junta and Kolomoisky now - the division of power and money will begin and they will forget about the Ukrainian army for a month at least.
      2. +6
        14 August 2014 10: 32
        Quote: Armagedon
        Hmm ... To replace these Nazi clowns ... Other puppets will come !!! Liquidation will be needed only after the defeat of the junta ... So that everyone would understand the payback is IMPOSSIBLE !!!


        Not liquidation, but court. No need to make heroes out of scum. The example of Bandera is very revealing.
      3. 0
        14 August 2014 14: 05
        Hmm ... To replace these Nazi clowns ... Other puppets will come !!! Liquidation will be needed only after the defeat of the junta ... So that everyone would understand the payback is IMPOSSIBLE !!!


        Eliminate the junta after the defeat of the junta ???? After the defeat of the junta, there will be a COURT over the junta, but its elimination would now significantly reduce the fighting efficiency of ukrovisk and the number of dead. They would start cleaning one by one, and immediately the junta’s appearance would have the desire to establish a negotiation process.
    2. +11
      14 August 2014 08: 19
      http://smi2.mirtesen.ru/blog/43866455964/Pamyatka-divannyim-strategam.
      You first ask yourself if you are ready to fight for this country and die on the battlefield. For me, the Chechen company was enough for me where I felt in my own skin what war is. You just have to shout Russia The Russian world is dying and then and so on, AND YOU LIFT YOUR FAT BACK FROM THE SOFA, TAKE AN AUTOMATIC MACHINE AND PROTECT YOUR TRAINERS IN THE DOMAIN AS THESE REAL MEN DO THIS AND DO NOT LAUNCH IT.
      1. +12
        14 August 2014 09: 07
        Sofa strategists have a different essence of war. They fight with someone else's blood and are ready to sacrifice other people's lives. I have always believed and still believe that before sending someone to the slaughterhouse, one must go there, find out what the environment is, what hunger is, how to sleep on cold concrete and wet snow, what it is like to see the death of your friends, with whom you shared 2 hours ago on five can of tushnyak, run on "Minutka", dodging snipers. But then, if you stay alive, you can talk about what it is like to risk your lives and what people feel when they shoot at them and death walks inches from you. In war there are no brave people, in war it is always scary. And if someone claims the opposite, then this is cheap populism.
        1. +6
          14 August 2014 09: 31
          There are no courageous in war; in war it is always scary. And if someone claims the opposite, then this is cheap populism

          !!!! You're right too! And a plus for you! Who was - he is not yelling good obscenities about the war! Including - and about the introduction of Russian troops! We don't need a "load 200"! Enough! They took it away, commemorated! Enough for such a mother!
          1. +1
            14 August 2014 18: 19
            do not touch mom !!! angry
        2. +5
          14 August 2014 10: 29
          Quote: Echelon
          Sofa strategists have a different essence of war. They are fighting someone else's blood and are ready to sacrifice other people's lives. I always thought and still think that before you send someone to the slaughter, you yourself have to go there,

          Quote: insafufa
          First you ask yourself if you are ready to fight for this country and die on the battlefield ... if only you could give a fuck to Russia, the Rusky world will perish and then etc. And YOU LIFT YOUR FAT BACK FROM THE SOFA TAKE AN AUTOMATIC MACHINE AND PROTECT YOUR OWN TRAINERS IN THE DOMAS AS THIS MAN DOES THIS AND DO NOT IMPOSE PANTS.


          In your opinion, it turns out that I, or other people, having, for example, imperfectly years old children, elderly parents, a decent age and already overshadowed health should give up everything, take a machine gun and go to fight because I care about my "COMPLIANCES ATМBASSE ", and people called to defend the interests of the state, voluntarily choosing military service as their profession (and receiving a salary for this) should be khataskrains and proudly watch what is happening on the border, keeping icy equanimity and calmness.

          Okay!
          I agree! But then transfer the Sun to the Swiss system. So that every normal man has a machine at home, so that annual fees are held with the preservation of the workplace. That it would be paid and paid better than at the main job.
          What? Scared? Expensive?
          Well then, one must admit that the professionals called up for this should fight and protect the interests of the state; politicians, military and special services.

          And volunteers catch up.
          1. 0
            14 August 2014 11: 38
            Never mind. Suvorovskoe - "perish yourself, but help your comrade" they do not understand. The fact that they kill their own, Russians, does not bother them (and there are quite a few of them). This is the bourgeoisie. I used to think that the detachments were not needed, and the attitude towards the prisoners of the Red Army was unfair, but now, looking at these "eagles", I began to doubt. It is for these "eagles" that the detachments are needed and they surrender in herds to captivity ... The decision must be made by men, and let these herds be silent ..
        3. 0
          14 August 2014 15: 18
          With any troop deployment, or the prospects of a near victory for the militia in Kiev, leading landing parties at nuclear power plants are needed, because these are the first and obvious provocations of the United States, deepening the European Russophobian resonance in case of an unfavorable outcome for the states, it is not without reason that there are throws that NATO controls the nuclear power plant!
        4. +1
          14 August 2014 18: 18
          you know brother, everything else is (war) also very hard work ... anyway, but you have to plow from inside to out, and even more! what
          1. 0
            14 August 2014 19: 50
            unfortunately I know, although it would be better not to know.
      2. +2
        14 August 2014 09: 29
        I had enough of the Chechen company where I felt in my own skin what war is.

        !!!!! You're right! Those who do not know war are yelling!
      3. +4
        14 August 2014 10: 06
        Quote: insafufa
        http://smi2.mirtesen.ru/blog/43866455964/Pamyatka-divannyim-strategam.


        This video is an excellent example of Kremlin demagogy.

        "" Putin bring in troops "- Do you use this hash tag often? But if you want to drag Russia into war ...."

        This hash tag is most often used by pro-commentators. Covering this invention with a reluctance to act, the desire to sit aside while the Russians are being destroyed on the adjacent territory.

        To act does not mean to send troops.

        First you need to RECOGNIZE New Russia.
        Recognize the right to live by their own rules. Recognize the right to study, contact the authorities, watch a movie and listen to the news, finally speak the NATIVE language.
        Recognize ourselves and seek this recognition from the whole world.

        To declare Donbass and ALL regions transferred to Ukraine from Russia as the ZONE OF Vitally Important Interests of Russia.
        To pursue a tough and unambiguous foreign policy in the field of upholding the interests of the Russian World.
        Adequately respond to shelling of its territory, up to airstrikes on art positions of enemy positions.

        AND NO ENTRY OF TROOPS!

        Precisely to justify unwillingness to do all of the above. To camouflage its khataskraznost, this call, sucked out of the finger, swells to incredible proportions - "Putin, send troops !!!"
        Who calls him to do this? Units! And tens and hundreds of thousands of "pacifists" in response claim that EVERYONE who demands ACTION, not SILENCE, wants to drag Russia into the war.
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        2. +3
          14 August 2014 10: 27
          Quote: Normal
          AND NO ENTRY OF TROOPS!

          - Although this time they did not become like Avakov (recently on Twitter) and Deshchitsa. And thanks for that.
          But in general - this post is amazing, but close to what I posted for - to help more efficiently, more powerful, more actively, approximately as you indicated in this post, but without the introduction of troops. In principle, the militia fully demonstrated its combat effectiveness, vitality and ability to solve assigned tasks. It’s just that the Militia is still small, which can be easily solved, if you only show Russia more effective help, put more weapons, the influx of volunteers will increase sharply. So by and large, with balanced, accurate and targeted assistance, the entry of Russian troops and not required. So this is not there either! I am not saying that Russia does not help, it helps, but only so much that a kind of dynamic equilibrium would be maintained in the face of the conflict. Everything would be fine - people are sorry that they would end up in their cities for nothing. There are children, women, old people. And after all, not anyhow what kind of people - your own relatives, Russians ...
    3. +1
      14 August 2014 08: 33
      Thus, today the situation is such that it is necessary to attack, but the quick defeat of the junta, due to the immediate collapse of the front, is not guaranteed. The shaft of the civil war can return to its roots.


      it’s necessary to advance BUT The shaft of civil war may return to its roots

      Correct the situation and help the junta to collapse quickly could enter the Russian army through Sumy and Chernigov to Kiev, and from the sea - to Odessa, and from there - to Kherson, Nikolaev, Transnistria. This option leads to a lightning military victory, but its political effect is unpredictable.


      This option leads to a lightning military victory, BUT its political effect is unpredictable.

      SO WHAT TO DO - AUTHOR?
      1. Nikolav
        0
        14 August 2014 08: 38


        The author is a great dreamer. Or, drunk, he wrote his forecast. Inadequate. Minus.
        1. avt
          +2
          14 August 2014 09: 45
          Quote: Nicholas
          The author is a great dreamer.

          No, he’s just one of the more sane and rather accurately predicts from Kiev. But about the need for an offensive, by the way, for the second time in a hurry to declare his terrible need, it’s real because of ignorance of the situation within self-defense. There are no REAL prerequisites for a decisive attack. The organizational structure of semi-partisan detachments with a lack of centralized management {which is worth Khodokovsky’s interview} and the lack of a reliable rear is not the path to success. So, in this article, the author gives the wishful thinking. For all that I like the author’s articles, this one is really a minus. request
          1. +2
            14 August 2014 17: 04
            Quote: avt
            Quote: Nicholas
            The author is a great dreamer.

            No, he’s just one of the more sane and rather accurately predicts from Kiev. But about the need for an offensive, by the way, for the second time in a hurry to declare his terrible need, it’s real because of ignorance of the situation within self-defense. There are no REAL prerequisites for a decisive attack. The organizational structure of semi-partisan detachments with a lack of centralized management {which is worth Khodokovsky’s interview} and the lack of a reliable rear is not the path to success. So, in this article, the author gives the wishful thinking. For all that I like the author’s articles, this one is really a minus. request


            I support you. The author, R. Ishchenko, is a fairly strong analyst and gives adequate forecasts, which often come true. Perhaps (I’m not going to argue with an authoritative specialist), according to analytical theory and forecasting, a moment has come for a decisive militia attack, but this time I do not agree with the author for a simple reason. For the offensive, in addition to the exact (successful) time interval, an advantage in forces and means is required, at least 3 times, which the militias do not have. Forces must be concentrated (accumulated) due to dill trophies and bleeding ukrovsk in defense. Defense is provided by a significantly smaller amount of forces and means.
            Direct entry of Russian troops is also impractical from the point of view of the unpredictability of the political situation. In my opinion, it is necessary to make more efficient and large-scale deliveries of weapons, equipment and uniforms. Moreover, Americans and Canadians are already doing this openly.
      2. avt
        +1
        14 August 2014 11: 19
        Quote: viktorrymar
        it’s necessary to advance

        What should I step on? Airports can’t recapture - there isn’t enough heavy weapons and calculations to it!
    4. +2
      14 August 2014 08: 48
      It is necessary to apply all the methods together, but more emphasis should be placed on helping the militia.
    5. 0
      14 August 2014 14: 11
      all hope for a humanitarian convoy, at the time of arrival, Strelkov needs to start the operation, and he knows how to do it.
  2. +4
    14 August 2014 08: 04
    Your words and God would be in the ears.
    1. +8
      14 August 2014 08: 13
      Literally another month and a half, everyone was outraged that the GDP did not respond to sanctions, and humanitarian assistance could not even be discussed.
      Yes, it’s bad that they die, they destroy buildings and houses, but after all Russia was forced upon this war. Patience, and a bow to the militia.
  3. +6
    14 August 2014 08: 04
    Ukrainians, trying to distract with blows in different directions, this greatly disperses the forces of the militias. Fist is extremely difficult now.
  4. +9
    14 August 2014 08: 04
    Ukraine, more precisely, what remains of it, as a state-ally of Russia, is no longer interesting for at least a generation. So there is nothing ceremony. We must solve our problems. Russian and closest allies. That's the whole simple strategy.
  5. +7
    14 August 2014 08: 05
    Thanks to the author!
    For Putin’s third move out of two possible)
  6. +6
    14 August 2014 08: 07
    Perhaps the author knows better on the spot ... But even if he is completely right ... an attack can pursue only one goal - the defeat of the enemy troops to the greatest possible depth and ensuring their territorial independence (political is an endless series of negotiations).
    But no republics, either Kharkiv or Dnepropetrovsk or another (Odessa, etc.), I think I need ... I don’t need, first of all, citizens living in these areas ... well, they don’t have a crush on freedom and self-determination. They are now so happy with orders for the restoration and repair of weapons for the Nazis ... well, why do they need freedom ...
  7. -10
    14 August 2014 08: 07
    another sofa marshal argues
  8. +2
    14 August 2014 08: 07
    "... It seems to me the most reasonable to strike the main blow at Kharkov."

    I immediately remembered Tymoshenko, with his Kharkov offensive and how it all ended, and all for the sake of the Supreme Commander
  9. -4
    14 August 2014 08: 08
    The author cannot exist without the "honorary" title "OCCUPANT".
  10. +4
    14 August 2014 08: 08
    Let's see how the odyssey with humanitarian aid ends .. Petro Poroshenko announced an emergency meeting of the NSDC, which should begin within a few hours. It is planned to discuss Putin’s statement that if he doesn’t pass the humanitarian convoy through the Kharkiv region, he will go through Lugansk.
  11. arthur_hammer
    +3
    14 August 2014 08: 11
    from the beginning it is necessary to cleanse the punishers of the DNI and LC and then it will be seen if the militias go to Kharkov then hz how the population of Kharkov region will react to this it is necessary that the population of Kharkov itself raise a rebellion and there you can help
  12. +3
    14 August 2014 08: 14
    but the losses among the civilian population will be so high that even in the case of the most brilliant victory, the Russians will continue to blame their power for a long time that thousands of Russians were killed before her, and she did not help (and they are unlikely to be forgiven to the end).



    I agree .... Ukrainians and the Anglo-Saxons standing behind them are ready to destroy the Russian-speaking population for many reasons (the main of which I believe is his unwillingness to submit to their cannibalistic plans).

    But help must be provided very carefully and so that not a single pig in the WEST can reproach us in violation of international standards ... and it is advisable to use the whole rich arsenal of influence on the minds of Western inhabitants

    (there are very original developments from the ARSENAL OF PSYCHOLOGICAL WARS in the CIA)
  13. 0
    14 August 2014 08: 17
    Then the Americans will get in and fight until the last Ukrainian, they are just waiting for this.
    1. +4
      14 August 2014 08: 22
      Then the Americans will get in and fight until the last Ukrainian, they are just waiting for this.


      Not funny .... to risk the lives of thousands of their soldiers for the sake of Aboriginal people in KIEV, the United States will never

      but to use the knurled Syrian and Afghan variant with mercenaries is quite possible.
      1. +1
        14 August 2014 09: 46
        but to use the knurled Syrian and Afghan variant with mercenaries is quite possible.

        Yeah! The West has enough of this d.r.m. While they are paying, there will be "dogs of war"! (on my own - how I hate mercenaries - creatures and scum!)
  14. 0
    14 August 2014 08: 20
    [quote] Thus, today the situation is such that it is necessary to advance, but the quick defeat of the junta, due to the instant collapse of the front, is not guaranteed. The shaft of civil war may return to its origins. [/ Quote
    Advance is necessary unconditionally. But where to get strength? We are already hoping for Putin as a wizard!
  15. +3
    14 August 2014 08: 20
    Yes, what kind of Kharkov? His would defend.
  16. +2
    14 August 2014 08: 21
    Long-term military operations (or prolongation of the conflict) are not profitable today for any of the parties! And other countries directly or indirectly affected by the conflict would have been glad to end this scenario. Plus author - feels the situation. Putin V.V. unlikely to go into open conflict. Most likely these will be other forms of support for the militia.
  17. +3
    14 August 2014 08: 24
    I do not think that such an offensive is possible in the near future. Wrong options. It is one thing to defend your land and quite another to strike deep into the territory, which is still unclear how to meet you. Now Novorossia must be defeated and the Sun Ukrokhunts should be thrown back and their territory liberated. And there to strengthen and try to build their economy. And there, all of Ukraine flares up. That's when the residents of the rest of Ukraine will call for help, then the army of New Russia will need to strike.
  18. alexboy
    +6
    14 August 2014 08: 25
    I wonder how many militias the president of the Center for System Analysis and Forecasting plans to attack Kharkov ???

    He himself, at the head of his employees, does not want to try?
  19. +1
    14 August 2014 08: 27
    Advice from the outside is always easy and we don’t have to go in with these advices where they don’t ask us, I think the militia command knows better what to do, attack or grind the junta’s troops on the defensive.
  20. sanek0207
    0
    14 August 2014 08: 31
    Russia helps as much as possible, although there are also many problems in the country, then no one has the right to reproach Russia, neither mattresses nor Eureka, humanists are fucking! I suppose I think that there are administrative borders of the DPR and LPR, so to clear the territory of the fascists and you need to think about those who will soon meet winter, and it, as always happens in such cases, will come "unexpectedly" and will be very cold!
  21. +5
    14 August 2014 08: 34
    I read it. It is written beautifully and well, it warms the soul with hope. But look - is there any reason now to firmly hope for such an outcome? Militia victory on their own, without Russia? I strongly doubt it! Will 10 people smear across the expanses of New Russia and that's it, victory is ours? Without real help from Russia, without organizing supplies and rear services, the army of the militia will not be able to attack, and even now it is holding on by a terrible effort! In April-May, the introduction of troops would completely solve the problems, but whether it will solve them now, when the junta has more or less consolidated the country, I am not sure. After all, now people passively oppose mobilization only because they consider this war to be unjust. Give them reason to believe the war is just - the nature of the war will change. I do not believe that the Ukrainians will immediately learn to fight from the consciousness of their own righteousness, for the sake of defending their homeland from the "aggressor", but they will be extremely hostile to our troops.
    Now the question is not about a large-scale offensive, but about stabilizing the situation and, like a dream, throwing ukrov beyond the limits of artillery action from the capitals of the republics, better by 150-200 km. And it’s possible, of course, to choose the direction of a large-scale offensive - to Kharkov or Dnepropetrovsk, but, in my opinion, it’s about the same as arguing on the censor whether Russia can survive and not break up into separate components before the end of the year, or it will happen in the spring 2015 year. Moreover, the fact that this will happen in the very near future, many are simply convinced.
    I left the article unrated. I would like to put a "plus", but the real situation suggests otherwise.
    We are waiting for the next move of our president.
    1. +1
      14 August 2014 13: 07
      I liked your remark ... just too fluently about how an ordinary Ukrainian layman will meet the Russian army ... they also know how to partisan .. :-) In any case, Novorossia should be recognized as the first move ... isn't that what their structures began personnel leapfrog? Local authority has not really been formed yet ...
  22. +1
    14 August 2014 08: 46
    Painfully optimistic forecast for the success of such an offensive is drawn by the Author. Of course, I would like it to be that way, but perhaps the more real task of the militia is to prevent the DPR and LPR from being surrounded and cut off from each other, to push the enemy from Donetsk and Lugansk to the frontiers, which exclude shelling of these cities, this is necessary to restore the city’s life support systems, and preventing humanitarian disasters. The boilers that appear and disappear of course exhaust the APU, but the militia is very distracted by them, while some people still manage to get out of them, so such boilers need to be crushed as quickly as possible. And not think about Kharkov. RDG certainly can and should be sent to the rear of the enemy, but a full-scale attack on such a large city as Kharkov is not realistic with militia forces.
  23. +1
    14 August 2014 08: 49
    You should never belittle your opponent's capabilities. Yes, Ukroland is driven, but YUS and EU are far from being fools. Let's remember Georgia. They fell into a stupor from the active actions of Russia. It was the same with the Crimea. But this time they instantly united, grouped around the States, and arranged (albeit to their own detriment) sanctions. We must calculate their actions in advance. The strength of Russia is that it is alone. She makes decisions with no one coordinating. Hence the secrecy and speed of action. The West, with its bureaucratic system, is forced to waste time coordinating its actions with its allies. Russia is now taking extraordinary actions, which creates problems for the West, forcing them to act in accordance with the Kremlin's algorithm. And this is already a strategy! The latest masterpiece - Operation Convoy
  24. +1
    14 August 2014 08: 55
    It's too early to talk about Kharkov. Then at least stop taking my own. And if the army falters and runs, everyone will be able to beat it, including in the rear.
  25. Starmos
    -1
    14 August 2014 09: 02
    Blitz krigs tend to choke. The entry of troops should be hidden, the Nazi "top" - destroyed by pinpoint strikes (missiles, bombs, secret special operation - at your choice, at least comprehensively), and all this should be done simultaneously and quickly, under the cover of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which should "turn on the fool", yes, such that the dog seemed a genius of politics ...
  26. evgenvip
    +2
    14 August 2014 09: 27
    to analyze the offensive, when the guys keep only at the expense of their heroism (there is still not enough help from Russia), is somehow strange. for an offensive, the number must be at least doubled, and most of the "heroic" miners are sitting in basements or in Rostov.
  27. +2
    14 August 2014 09: 46
    Quote: Armagedon
    Hmm ... To replace these Nazi clowns ... Other puppets will come !!!

    Done agree. Among politicians of Ukraine are not traced adequately minded people. In general, I can’t imagine from whom they could form a government, if the current one disappeared, the junta No. 2 would most likely come out.
  28. +1
    14 August 2014 09: 56
    and in the article, of course, interesting assumptions, but all these are assumptions. In addition to one thing, the next couple of months will become decisive ... All the same, the punishers are the authorities more or less recognized by the international community (which means the infusion of funds, equipment and other things), and the militias are only militias (including, of course, residents of the DPR and LPR) the support of Russia ... Therefore, it can be really, as it is written in the article, it is necessary to take the bull by the horns and ... either everything or nothing ...
  29. +3
    14 August 2014 10: 18
    - Today I read again all the "Summaries from Strelkov ..." for 14.08.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX ... - There are already no "victorious reports" from the militia in them ... - It is clear that the matter is seams ... - Yes, and what here you can do it when dill is constantly beaten from guns, "hail" and so on ... -And they do not experience any "deficit" - neither in shells, nor in tanks, nor in troops ...
    -Only you watch on TV ... -continuous artillery fire from the side of dill, columns of tanks, armored vehicles, etc. ...
    -It is not clear only one thing - why they write nonsense .. counterattack "and so on ...
    At first I somehow still believed in it, and now more and more I begin to make sure that this is complete chatter and nonsense ... After all, not a single town and settlement militiamen from dill have ever been beaten back and have not been captured territories have not been freed ...
    -Yes, there’s nothing to blame for the militias ...
    -You watch all the same reports ... -Ukropovskie troops are entirely young, healthy, well-fed guys ... -fire from guns, and even "grin" ... -And it is clear that they are so eager to fight -their hands are "itching" right ... -And they simply have no number ... -And they sit on the tanks "in bulk" -and whole columns of these tanks ... and there are a lot of them near the guns ...- and guns these are just "unmeasured" ...
    -And when you look "about the militias", you see small groups of elderly and even very old people, armed only with machine guns and machine guns ...
    -And what kind of "counterattacks" and "encirclements" can such small groups of troops deliver ..? -Only to defend ourselves as much as possible ... -But, unfortunately ... -It is evident that these forces are drying up and running out ...
    -And real real help for the militias to wait nowhere ...
    -Russia just just "pretends" that helps ...
  30. +3
    14 August 2014 10: 50
    The author really wants "... to win, to reach Lviv, to free Ukraine from the Nazis and Bandera."
    Let him imagine that everything came true ... Hurray !!!
    And into the arms of Russia fell "sister": with a collapsed economy, wild debts lying in ruins in the South-East, with tens of thousands of citizens hating Russia, with a terrible abyss split into pieces by civil society, with a rotten and corrupt army of officials (this and we have enough), etc. etc.
    The brother who could stab you in the back is no longer a brother ... no matter what kind of native blood flows in him.
    How many of us could understand and forgive (just because he is native blood) of such a brother?
    The only thing that remains in Ukraine (with the exception of Little Russia) is geopolitical interests. ALL!
  31. 0
    14 August 2014 11: 08
    Putin constantly surprises “the city and the world”, finding the third option among the two possible, but the time has come to make a responsible decision (whatever that decision is).

    Has not come yet. Will come when the cold comes.
  32. 0
    14 August 2014 11: 22
    Everything is fine on paper, in the quiet of the offices on a soft armchair, but they forgot about the ravines. Take Kharkov, suicide, the more inert people there. In Ukropiya, refugees who fled into the interior of the country are pressed, and these were supporters of the one and indivisible. That's when the supporters the blue-bearing ensign will understand that there will be nothing good from Piglet and his ilk when you have to freeze and starve, maybe something will move, you need a complete brain turn. request
  33. Andrey82
    0
    14 August 2014 12: 59
    I don’t know about the "input", but it would definitely not hurt to disable the existing tank plant in Kharkov. In what ways it doesn't matter. Then the supply of repaired armored vehicles will immediately fall and you will have to pull the train. compositions with her from the center. and app. areas. This will open up space for sabotage on the railway. ways.
  34. +3
    14 August 2014 13: 26
    No need to take any Kiev or Kharkov. Or who will tell me, over the past decades, the deployment of troops has not led then in years of hatred towards us?
    Czechoslovakia? Hungary? Afghanistan?
    And at the same time, the effective support of the necessary side, as in Vietnam, is the opposite - people remember it, and the American will never be better than the Russian for the Vietnamese.
    And this bowler hat with Svidomo brains that pretend to Ukraine is supposed to be stewed in its own shit until all harmful bacilli are destroyed. And the recipe here can not be accelerated. Everything will last as long as necessary for this.
    Even these massacres of civilians are not a reason to destroy Russia, and otherwise there will be nowhere to run, and there is nowhere to wait and receive help. Cruel, but the geopolitical alignment is such that only such a strategy will help us ultimately win. And no emotions as a guide to action are inappropriate here (50% of the motivation for entering Afghanistan was Brezhnev’s personal position, angry that Amin strangled Taraki in prison, who Leonid Ilyich received a friendly heart kiss. Plus, Amin’s written request at the time! !! about the entry of our troops).
    1. Andrey82
      0
      14 August 2014 14: 34
      Well, yes, indirect actions are always better and not as blockhead as direct (input) actions. However, it is not clear to what extent this strategy of indirect actions ("smart plan") is being implemented? I want to believe that they are sufficient.
  35. leond
    0
    14 August 2014 18: 15
    Rostislav Ishchenko reasoned quite rationally, but as if he was the commander in chief. But for the president of the Institute for Strategic Analysis, these considerations look unprofessional. Indeed, in the Russian political and military elite there is no single position regarding New Russia. Obviously, the military is in favor of introducing a limited contingent of Russian troops into Ukraine and ending the destruction of civilians. The political part of the Russian elite, closely associated with financial circles both within Russia and abroad, is against such a decision, since this will lead to even greater financial losses of this elite. Putin is between two fires. On the one hand, he is connected by interests with the financial elite, but on the other, he understands what his moral duty as the president of Russia and the defender of Russian interests abroad is. These contradictions explain his vacillations when the president says that he will not allow the extermination of Russians in Ukraine, and after a while he withdraws his decision on the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine. The compromise in this case is that the president is partially inferior to the pressure of the military elite, allowing the use of special forces reconnaissance groups as help to the militias, which cannot help turn the tide in favor of the militias, but will allow them to undergo training in combat conditions of the Russian military elite. In this case, the question arises: Does Putin and the Russian political elite need Novorossia? The answer has already been given by Putin himself in an interview with reporters: not needed. Then the question is: why? After all, there are the same Russians as in Russia. Because they are Russians with a different ideology. They want to nationalize land, enterprises, they want to create a nation state. But this is not necessary for the political elite, and Putin is more contagious, dangerous.
  36. 0
    14 August 2014 23: 30
    Quote: viktorrymar
    And I think that it would be more logical to remove the top of the junta, along with particularly ardent oligarchs physically: poisoning, car accident, well, in extreme cases, an ice ax. That would really stop the bloodshed and then the militia would reach Lviv without obstacles. Or are these special services no longer using?

    Thought is not bad, but who better to get to them? They have a close circle, there are no outsiders in this circle. And with the current Russophobia of the sought-after elite, the task is practically not feasible, if only serious DRGs work under the militia!

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