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For those who go to museums

I found on the open spaces of the network one very good appeal of the workers of the Central Museum of the Great Patriotic War on Poklonnaya Hill (TsMVOV). Maybe this is not the format of the "Military Review", but decided that to talk and discuss on the forum this topic should definitely. The author's text decided to "brush" a little, so that the admins did not swear. Although it would be worth leaving .... I brushed the places I brushed italics.

Hello, pigs! And it is better to be ill, and let your legs that carry you to our museums and the hands with which you destroy our museums fall off!

After this title half bad people it will be cut off and will be minus, but the rest, smart, will understand my position.

I decided to write this post after a topic about a teenager who climbed the Victory stela.

For those who go to museums

I worked in the museums of Moscow and the Moscow region for more than 7 years (now a CMTV employee) and during this time I strongly disliked a certain group of visitors. As practice shows, freaks among museum visitors from a quarter to 20 percent, the rest of our institutions are simply uninteresting. Below I will cite a few unpleasant examples from my practice, and indignation or understanding is your business.

1) 8 May 2010, the museum decided to close the naval exposition for universal access. Just put the last section of the fence. We go with a colleague and inspect the area on the subject of "shoals" of workers. During the day, we managed to twist around 10 the sections of the new fence promoted by the visitors (by the same you, the visitors, promoted). I see how a drunk couple of years 30-ti is trying to shove his three-year-old child on the deckhouse of the submarine, who was on Poklonka, he knows this exhibit. Before our approach, the caretaker managed to frighten them away with a megaphone. After some time, the same drunken dad pounced on my colleague with threats and fists. I was lucky that I managed to run up in time and with my menacingly dirty look and a sledgehammer in my hands to drive away ... beyond the limits of the exposition.

2) The same day half an hour earlier. I am busy with the next untwisted and torn-out section of the fence, in parallel watching the picture: a group of 6 people (two men of 50-years, two women of the same age and children) unscrew the section of meters in 30 from me. I decided not to frighten the "engineers" and watch. Having opened a free "portal" to the museum, Kompashka first missed the children, after which one of the aunts with the back seat the size of a stall. I decided to come up and ask what the dear ones needed: "So why are we climbing here?" The aunt, sticking out half of the fence, replied, frightened: "But it was not us, it was the children who ran!"

3) Summer 2009 of the year. Walking through the exposition with a colleague, we observe a picture: two little 3-12 boys climb on the gun TM (5-7) (google this thing) and the words "Climb above, but nothing will work" their grandmother ... I can understand young and stupid mother, but grandmother !!! As a result, we removed the 15 minutes from the rooftops. I was amazed by the reaction of granny. At first, the old woman was indignant at why her grandchildren could not get a picture of the gun, and then gave a tantrum: "How are they, my dears, stuck and who will remove them?"

4) May 9 of any year (every year like that) we run around the open exposition and shoot you from rockets, planes, guns, tanks, pull out of the dugouts and ponds.

5) Do you know why we decided to close the naval exposition for universal access? Yes, because you managed to catch from the ponds bought by us for your money and running there karpyat !! It was not even adult carp, and so, small things). Yes, because you, visitors, after jogging through the territory of Victory Park, washed your bodies and boshes with shampoo in the waterfall of the water area every day.

6) Do you know why we closed access to the dugout at the Engineering Exposure? Yes, because while you stole sleeves and kettles we tolerated when you started do little in the dugout, we washed, but once you managed in the dugout make a lot of things ...

7) Do you know why we removed the armored vehicles from Kutuzovsky Prospect, which was so cool to climb? Yes, because you managed to unscrew and steal the dynamic protection !! Like why? And most importantly - what!? We needed a tool to break the bolts! Yes, because you broke the spot welding on the hatches in half the machines, climbed inside and done a lot! Well, honestly, next to you were few bushes? Or you decide to make a lot in a fetal position within a tight tank?!.

Something I broke up, I apologize. But, truth, it is necessary to recognize that you are SWINTS, with an emphasis on O. Every day I see your swine attitude to your own culture and stories. On the Internet to broadcast about patriotism, every much, but as who nasvinyachil, so there is no extreme. Once again, sorry for the emotion, seriously, boiling. Fortunately, most of you are decent people (I would like to believe). Do not let my faith down.

P.S. There are very funny events in my work, I can write ... just don’t be swine.

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  1. Tan4ik
    Tan4ik 14 August 2014 08: 50
    The article makes a lot of sense.
    1. invisibility
      invisibility 14 August 2014 08: 57
      What, then think !!!! Criminal prosecution, fines, public flogging, yes, anything for these monkeys.
      1. Tan4ik
        Tan4ik 14 August 2014 09: 02
        I agree, read, almost cried.
        1. zeleznijdorojnik
          zeleznijdorojnik 15 August 2014 09: 19
          He remembered his childhood — the Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Signal Corps — we guys climbed every weekend using the technique, in places, yes — and we shot down spot welding. But crap in cars ... it's hard to imagine. Yes, they didn’t especially drive us.
          You can minus it, but I think that a zone is needed for children and adolescents, where they could touch military equipment - sit behind the levers of the tank’s mechanical drive, climb inm models of equipment that was armed. Clear business - for damage or vandalism - to hold accountable, to fine, etc. For children, this is an element of patriotic education.
          Shl the last time out of interest I climbed on the exposition technique in the St. Petersburg Artillery Museum, literally with the boys already in the early 90s, not the first year being in the ranks - when they put the Oka OTRK with unlocked hatches ...
          1. zeleznijdorojnik
            zeleznijdorojnik 15 August 2014 09: 25
            I read the forum below and decided to write more - so as not to be suspected of offending monuments - the museum exposition and the tank on the pedestal - two big differences - they carry different functional loads - it would not have occurred to me to climb into the tank on the pedestal (although what I did not see there ? ...) - just bring flowers there, but when inspecting equipment at an open-air exposition - for a child, for a kid to touch the barrels of the same "Shilka" or to sit in the place of the BR-2 gunner - impressions for a long time ...
      2. Shveps
        Shveps 14 August 2014 09: 10
        The level of culture, knowledge and respect for its history is growing every year. A significant contribution to this growth is added by the education system, especially the Unified State Examination and the subject of social science, which teaches children that a person who limits his needs is inferior and everyone has the opportunity to exercise their rights, even in relation to their parents.
        Culture is a separate song! Especially touched are the pop products of menopause of grandmother Pugacheva, daily and hourly filling the air.
        The dogmas of the Orthodox Faith defining the concept of sin, a relic of the past and anachronism. There are no other limiting factors, except for the cyclops (s). KU! Planet Pflyug.
        Freedom, at least pour beer! HOORAY!
        Why not spoil the monument?
        1. Tan4ik
          Tan4ik 14 August 2014 09: 19
          It’s logical, but I don’t look at these underdeveloped ones, I’m tired of these "faces"
        2. FANTOM-72
          FANTOM-72 14 August 2014 10: 03
          Quote: Shveps
          A significant contribution to this growth is added by the education system, especially the exam and the subject of social science, which teaches children

          This can make a person an ignoramus, and ignorance (c-rushchim in the dugout) makes education in the family. A good father does not have a bad son. Do not blame everything on teachers and education, how much time do you devote to your children in the family, and what do you instill in them from infancy ???
          1. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx 14 August 2014 10: 57
            Correctly! Beat defines consciousness! Dad was tearing me at the time, so I became a colonel!
          2. smart Fox
            smart Fox 14 August 2014 12: 16
            I agree, the child learns what he sees in his own home. Or is it teachers drove children on the TM-3-12?
          3. Shveps
            Shveps 14 August 2014 13: 43
            Family is the foundation, but:
            Even having come to school from the most decent family, the child is forced to take part in the "mobile phone competition", or by leaving the side, still get micro psychological trauma.
            You cannot live in society and be free from society.
            Under the existing satanic system of society, the consumption of decent families will be less and less every year, whether we want it or not.
            What's next?
            Continue to silently contemplate Makarevich and his fellow tribesmen from the kagalny sect?
        3. nfoma80
          nfoma80 14 August 2014 10: 04
          It is necessary to educate the children themselves, as necessary. And then everything will be fine, otherwise no one will do anything and the state will not whine, it will grow up, hammy grows. Every blacksmith of his own happiness.
        4. hoard
          hoard 14 August 2014 12: 06
          I once had a chance to visit the military history museum in El Alamein. There is a decent exposition of military equipment in the open air. Incl. tank "Sherman". I was amazed when I climbed inside (this is permitted). Unlike our filthy exhibits, it is clean and not looted, as if the tank is in operation. The attitude of the Arab public has earned respect.
      3. yushch
        yushch 14 August 2014 10: 27
        Yes, in the face it is necessary to beat for it. Is it necessary to think of shitting in museum exhibits ???
        Complete degradation.
        My visit to such places causes awe, and here it is.
      4. Grumbler
        Grumbler 14 August 2014 13: 12
        Flog it, and nothing else. In public and regardless of age!
    2. Karabanov
      Karabanov 14 August 2014 10: 47
      This happens everywhere: the desecration of monuments, memorials and even cemeteries ... And these are not some Natsik banderlogs, but a dumb brainless young one, even without a hint of any kind of morality. The lost generation ... In our city, drunken youngsters fried something there in perpetual fire, then threw it with wreaths, defecated ... The incident received wide resonance, found vandals, but because of their infancy they didn’t attract them, and their parents were severely fined ... (I would have acted differently). Now they’ve installed cameras, there haven’t been any repetitions yet.
      Thank you for the article. The topic is close, since the museologist himself.
    3. miv110
      miv110 14 August 2014 11: 17
      This is the trouble of our society and it has been well known for a long time. "Ruin in the Heads" - Doctor Preobrazhensky (Heart of a Dog). By the way, about dogs (another illustration of modern life) - we have not learned how to clean up after their pets, great-power chauvenism doesn’t allow us to take a scoop and a bag, put everything down and throw it away where it should be. And then we walk ourselves through this minefield ... So what to do? There is no other way than the one that "Abroad" went through - to beat with the law, beat on the head to ring and to develop law-abiding at the genetic level. That is how the people were brought up over the hill, and not with some kind of special culture.
      1. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 14 August 2014 11: 44
        Dogs, dogs ... And yourself? A stone's throw away, so no, we must certainly throw a cigarette butt onto the asphalt.
    4. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 14 August 2014 12: 20
      Who did this - not a patriot!

      I would not do that even in foreign countries with their property. I don’t know how you guys are, but I would voluntarily help my museum, which is in our city, if I were to say that I need help in creating some kind of patriotic exposition. It's like planting trees. Vandals respect neither their culture nor anyone else's.
  2. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 14 August 2014 08: 52
    from the Don.
    I can’t get any PIG among us! Garbage bags are thrown along the roads, damn things are flying out of cars, and toilets? Damn, what kind of people?
    1. podpolkovnik
      14 August 2014 08: 56
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      from the Don.
      I can’t get any PIG among us! Garbage bags are thrown along the roads, damn things are flying out of cars, and toilets? Damn, what kind of people?

      In Samara, in the park of Gagarin recently dismantled monuments-armored vehicles. And it was high time! Because this technique was filled with garbage, like a garbage can.
      I still saw a lander of a spaceship somewhere, I don’t remember where, in childhood, it was. There was the same garbage, debris knee-deep.
      One and a half truck - a monument to front-line drivers, was also thoroughly messed up. They say that once in her body even a corpse was found among the garbage.

      A good half of our people do not deserve to approach these monuments!
      They will hang St. George's ribbon, stick on "Thank you! on your "basin", but what is the point, they do not understand ...
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 14 August 2014 09: 02
        ,, will paste "thank you, my father!" on your "basin", but what is the point, they do not understand ...

        ... I don’t know how the rest, but at the sight of such inscriptions on car brands from Germany, for some reason I feel ashamed for veterans ,,
    2. podpolkovnik
      14 August 2014 09: 17
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      from the Don.
      I can’t get any PIG among us! Garbage bags are thrown along the roads, damn things are flying out of cars, and toilets? Damn, what kind of people?

      I agree completely!
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 14 August 2014 11: 08
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      Damn, what kind of people?
      The people are normal, the flogging is not enough.
    4. yushch
      yushch 14 August 2014 11: 51
      You know, I think there are no more than 10% of such pigs. They just crap for the remaining 90%.
  3. amicus
    amicus 14 August 2014 08: 53
    All right! The author, I agree with you all 100.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 14 August 2014 08: 53
    This is what ... dear forum users with experience know where to find a video about such morons .... believe them a lot .. that speaks of low culture and education, but what can I say.
    1. podpolkovnik
      14 August 2014 08: 59
      Quote: The same Lech
      This is what ... dear forum users with experience know where to find a video about such morons .... believe them a lot .. that speaks of low culture and education, but what can I say.

      Well yes! And there is. Here is a photo for you!
      They pop into the tanks on Poklonnka almost babies. How much is in the country ..
    2. sergey32
      sergey32 14 August 2014 09: 08
      By the way, about 25 years ago in Singapore they solved the problem of stuck elevators. We put in sensors that react to urine. The elevator was blocked, the police came. The guilty person has a huge fine and his "feat" is shown on TV.
    3. podpolkovnik
      14 August 2014 10: 16
      Here is another example.
      Tomsk police stopped the criminal case on the fact of desecration by the Abakan kickboxer, Russian kickboxing champion Givi Sotsuk, of a monument to doctors who died during the Great Patriotic War. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation in the Tomsk Region, the criminal prosecution against the athlete was discontinued due to the expiration of the limitation period for bringing the 26-year-old resident of Abakan to justice.
      The incident took place in July 2007, but it became known in February of this year, when bloggers saw a photo of a smiling athlete thrown his foot on the monument posted on one of the social networks and expressed their outrage. The Tomsk prosecutor's office became interested in Sotsuk's trick. Based on the results of the inspection, the supervisory authority demanded to initiate a criminal case under clause "b", part 2 of article 244 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (desecration of a sculptural structure dedicated to the fight against fascism or the victims of fascism).
      The prosecutor's office said that the Abakan, while in Tomsk, was photographed near the monument in an insulting pose.
      "Posing for a photographer, a young man, dressed only in sports underwear, demonstrated stretching of muscles and ligaments by raising his outstretched leg almost perpendicular to the ground and resting it on the head of one of the sculptures of a commemorative composition dedicated to the military feat of Tomsk doctors," the regional prosecutor's office reported in February ... At the same time, the materials of the prosecutor's check were sent to the police to resolve the issue of initiating a case.
      However, the police had dragged on the investigation of the incident before that the statute of limitations had expired for bringing the kickboxer to justice. It took the Tomsk Regional Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs inquiry five months to establish that in July 2007, the athlete had actually committed actions desecrating the monument to the fallen military doctors. Just after the end of the police investigation, the statute of limitations for bringing Sotsuk to criminal responsibility expired, and the case was dismissed.
      "Since more than 6 years have passed since the crime was committed, the criminal prosecution against the citizen was terminated due to the expiration of the statute of limitations for bringing to criminal responsibility in this criminal case," the regional Ministry of Internal Affairs said in a statement released on August 7.
      Recall that 25-year-old Givi Sotsuk is a graduate of the Abakan sports club "Arktika-Ermak", world champion among amateur kickboxers in 2005, absolute champion of Russia among professionals in 2007. According to the coach of the Abakan sports club "Arktika-Ermak" Alexander Berezkin, whose pupil was Sotsuk, Givi wanted to demonstrate his physical strength, but chose the wrong way. The mentor added that the athlete "has nothing to do with kickboxing and boxing, he ended his sports career in 2006."
      The monument to military doctors defiled by an athlete is located in Tomsk near the building of the Siberian State Medical University. The monument was installed to doctors, employees and students of the Siberian State Medical University, who died during the Great Patriotic War.
      The Abakan’s trick received widespread response in the media and caused outrage among the public and Runet users, giving rise to numerous complaints to the prosecutor’s office.
      Later, Givi Sotsuk apologized for his act. After that, the athlete, having restored his social network account, published a photo of the monument to the Soldiers-Liberators of Bulgaria, painted in heroes of American comics, and a photo of a Pussy Riot supporter putting on a balaclava on the head of a bronze Belarusian partisan at the Belorusskaya station in the Moscow metro, and commented on the pictures as follows : "That's where the bitch has no limit. And from me, what do you want a bitch ???"
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 14 August 2014 08: 55
    On the Internet every patronage is to talk about patriotism, but there are no extreme people who have blamed it.
    Eh ... and that's right .. We have an open-air museum "Military Hill" .. equipment from the Great Patriotic War .. and there are definitely those who need to unscrew the nut .. push the bull into the barrel of the gun .. well, there are places for smoking .. and urns ...
  6. Giant thought
    Giant thought 14 August 2014 08: 55
    Yes, some instances of our society clearly lack culture, there is nothing to be done, nature mother did not put this understanding into their brains, these people live at the level of reflexes.
    1. podpolkovnik
      14 August 2014 09: 31
      Quote: Giant thought
      Yes, some instances of our society clearly lack culture, there is nothing to be done, nature mother did not put this understanding into their brains, these people live at the level of reflexes.

      And vile, and vile, and mean,
      And the fear of contracting swine
      And .. the catches off in the code.
      And happily beastly unity.

      I. Huberman (C)
    2. Warlock_r
      Warlock_r 14 August 2014 09: 45
      This is not a problem of nature, but of parents. If they have not invested in their child, if they, I apologize, shit on the go, showing an example to their children, what kind of nature are we talking about?
    3. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 14 August 2014 11: 53
      Yes, some instances of our society clearly lack culture, there is nothing to be done, nature mother did not put this understanding into their brains, these people live at the level of reflexes.

      So they need to be taught at the level of reflexes - with rods! And publicly.
  7. Moore
    Moore 14 August 2014 08: 55
    As practice shows, freaks among museum visitors from a quarter to 20 percent, the rest of our institutions are simply uninteresting.

    The rest is who? Are freaks of the country, or 75-80 percent of visitors uninteresting?
    Isn't it said a lot?
    I agree with the rest.
  8. KOH
    KOH 14 August 2014 08: 59
    The consequences of the 90s, ill-bred children, ill-bred children ...
  9. Archikah
    Archikah 14 August 2014 08: 59
    Best !!! Well, first of all, toilets should be put more and cheaper. No one will shit in the tank (unless he is sick) when there is a normal bathroom in the presence. Secondly, I want to climb military equipment ALL children in ALL times and peoples. This is normal. Children will never be able to walk quietly through the museum for more than 5 minutes and decorously listen to the guide’s tedious-mournful broadcast. This (normal) reaction to the stimulus is known not only to psychologists, but also to all sane people. And now - instead of thinking over and developing excursions for children in our museums, the ministers quietly hate everyone and everything.
    I myself am from St. Petersburg and spent all my childhood in numerous museums (they dragged us from school), I still remember the snake whisper of the grandmothers of the caretakers. - Do not make noise. Do not run. Do not come close to the exhibits. I have a suggestion. If the exhibit is so valuable - but place it under the glass (preferably armored). And in any other cases - make a copy and let children and adults climb on it as much as you like. To break, put another copy. And pray for the original in your storerooms and stop being angry with visitors. hi
    1. gmasterbit
      gmasterbit 14 August 2014 09: 00
      sensibly, but who will pay for copies and glass?
    2. Good cat
      Good cat 14 August 2014 09: 18
      I agree with a friend, and I’ll add and remove the protection and welding to break the extreme extremes in the early morning or at night, well, certainly not grandmothers with children.
    3. podpolkovnik
      14 August 2014 09: 43
      Quote: Archikah
      Best !!! Well, first of all, toilets should be put more and cheaper. No one will shit in the tank (unless he is sick) when there is a normal bathroom in the presence. hi

      Let me disagree.
      Not always having a toilet suggests a clean exhibit.
      In Sokolniki, they made a cool temka in the park - the Solar system, paths with planets, everything is beautifully designed, and next to it is a ball, hollow inside, in which lanterns reflect the starry sky. Such a fun for kids. So when you go into this ball, you get the impression that you are in the toilet, in that with a hole, public, in Soviet times at the station. And just a hundred meters toilets toilets. There are both paid and free ...

      Is this a special sport? Crouching in a quiet place ...
    4. elga5
      elga5 14 August 2014 09: 46
      Don’t confuse a museum with an amusement park. If people come to have fun — run, jump, climb — what does the historical museum have to do with it? Yes, I agree — to build a site with copies, call it an interactive museum — and have fun. And historical museums are a careful touch to memory. the presence of even a huge number of toilets will not help - the culture of part of society at zero and at the state level is not being dealt with by anyone. at home (all broken by active children), although a huge playground is nearby, mailboxes, walls in the stairwell, etc.
  10. gmasterbit
    gmasterbit 14 August 2014 08: 59
    first shit in museums then go to ride on the Maidan and burn people ...
    1. podpolkovnik
      14 August 2014 09: 35
      Quote: gmasterbit
      first shit in museums then go to ride on the Maidan and burn people ...

      The guy who defiled the Eternal Flame in Rzhev:
      We joked, and now they promise to burn us! .... (parkourists have fun)
  11. GROM
    GROM 14 August 2014 09: 04
    That's right, but the guy with the photo is still great)) This "youngster" has stronger balls than many "men in the dawn of strength"; \ And I really don't think that he wanted to offend someone with this. It would be better if the gopars with seeds and beer were driven from the monuments, but for some reason they do not touch them, apparently they are afraid to get them.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 14 August 2014 09: 15
      I do not quite agree ....
      and if some fragile youngster wants to repeat such a trick at least to show how cool he is ..... collecting his brains on asphalt is an unpleasant activity for the stomach.
      1. Manul
        Manul 14 August 2014 10: 48
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I do not quite agree ....
        and if some fragile youngster wants to repeat such a trick at least to show how cool he is ..... collecting his brains on asphalt is an unpleasant activity for the stomach.

        There are enough of them "with balls" .. And on the roofs of trains in the subway smeared, and in the quarries of drowned and at construction sites crushed. These are not feats, but juvenile idiocy, and in this case also blasphemy.
    2. podpolkovnik
      14 August 2014 09: 22
      Quote: GROM
      That's right, but the guy with the photo is still great)) This "youngster" has stronger balls than many "men in the dawn of strength"; \.

      Let me disagree!
      And how is he doing well?
      By the fact that he climbed onto Victory Stella only (!) In order to take a newfangled "selfie" and post it on the network to confirm his "exclusivity"?
      You, my dear, for this comment is a minus!
    3. Warlock_r
      Warlock_r 14 August 2014 09: 49
      What balls? He simply has no fear, not because he is cool, but because the brains are still missing. Like most young animals. "All the young are immortal. Do not believe me? Ask them." (from)
    4. muginov2015
      muginov2015 14 August 2014 10: 14
      Here .. one of them is already offended
  12. Moksha
    Moksha 14 August 2014 09: 04
    As a person who travels a lot by car ... I got tired of the "pissing boys" on the side of the road. Isn't it a shame to pee in front of everyone? There are few toilets at gas stations and roadside cafes? Earlier (back in the USSR), at least the traffic police watched An acquaintance of mine, even for 3 days, was closed under the administrative article "Petty hooliganism".
  13. Ryuuk
    Ryuuk 14 August 2014 09: 06
    society is degrading a little ... already in museums they spoil ... you can go nuts
  14. _umka_
    _umka_ 14 August 2014 09: 09
    What can I say, I myself see this 6 days a week, though not in a museum. Sometimes I try to somehow hook people, think rarely - but it turns out. Nowadays, most people have some kind of small priorities, make more money, have a better car, cool to relax, that everything was and did not work.
  15. Starmos
    Starmos 14 August 2014 09: 09
    I support the author, everything is according to Bulgakov, devastation is in the heads ...
    1. podpolkovnik
      14 August 2014 09: 24
      Quote: Starmos
      I support the author, everything is according to Bulgakov, devastation is in the heads ...

      "The devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads."
      Mikhail Bulgakov, "Heart of a Dog"
  16. Shustov
    Shustov 14 August 2014 09: 11
    Correctional work canceled or what? Will take away his redneck and someone else's shit, next time he will think. He came to his homeland, we are smoking in the yard with a cousin, we are discussing the car. I went through the courtyard of the bulls to throw in the trash - that one had a shock, not on the ground ... I told him that he would go to the army, he would look at the trash differently ... I don’t know, no.
  17. svskor80
    svskor80 14 August 2014 09: 16
    Camcorders and "huge" fines. The TsMVOV could have already foreseen. Another week and the understanding will come that there is no more impunity.
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 August 2014 09: 17
    Yes, just do not care for everyone. If society does not raise such a pig, then there will be more of them. He didn’t piss on me ...
  19. Sanglier
    Sanglier 14 August 2014 09: 32
    The example of Singapore is clear, but far from us. I can give a closer example (as an option for action). In Minsk, in the 80s of the last century, I was struck by the following fact - at the crossings, all pedestrians stood at a red light, regardless of the presence of cars on the road. I asked my uncle about the reason for this. The answer was: "It's simple, a guard stood at each traffic light and took off three at a time for an" unauthorized "crossing. And when the people got used to it, the guards were removed. But the people got used to order!" Alas, we will not succeed in another way. And it's not about the exam and other bells and whistles. Well, we do not understand the good !!!
  20. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 14 August 2014 09: 39
    Well, everyone fell on their own! Again we are the worst! Again repentance and self-flagellation!
    Of you that no one has been in Europe, did not go to museums and excursions in "civilized Europe".
    I can with all responsibility say poop and pee everywhere, butts and trash everywhere. It’s impossible to go to some places, the thread is from ammonia. So this is not only done by our compatriots.
    But you need to educate and punish!
    1. podpolkovnik
      14 August 2014 10: 05
      Quote: Baron Wrangell
      Well, everyone fell on their own! Again we are the worst! Again repentance and self-flagellation!
      Of you that no one has been in Europe, did not go to museums and excursions in "civilized Europe".
      I can with all responsibility say poop and pee everywhere, butts and trash everywhere. It’s impossible to go to some places, the thread is from ammonia. So this is not only done by our compatriots.
      But you need to educate and punish!

      Correct words!
      But I want to say that not everything is lost.
      I’ll tell you about the case of garbage, a standard city yard with a diameter of 70 meters, I live in one of the houses.
      At midnight I went out to close the windows on the balcony (it got colder), there was little light, as usual, from somewhere in the corner of the courtyard came conversations that were not so loud to the floor.
      It was clear that the company was resting, they were talking, I thought at first that they would get drunk and start yelling. I stand admiring the stars and then I see the guy coming from the side where the sounds came from, quite young, maybe 16. He comes to the ballot box, throws out several bottles and bags from under any snacks, and comes back!
      So I would like to wish that you and I were not surprised at such actions! Take care of the world around and remember - we don’t leave nature to our children and grandchildren as an inheritance, we take it for free from them!
      There were no ricks and drunken fights, I want to believe that the younger generation will still be much more cultural!
  21. Monge
    Monge 14 August 2014 09: 42
    Museums are made for people! And not for staff. Namely staff! Toilets, preferably free to organize. Rubbish? Put the ballot boxes in and remove them in a timely manner. The prices for entrance tickets are not very small. In St. Petersburg, the artillery museum doesn’t prevent the kids from crawling on technology and this is normal. This is part of educating future wars. I heard one of the regional leaders complain to the press about summer residents that they are rubbish piled along the edges of the roads. Here! Garbage containers have no desire to organize, but his people are bad. So the author argues. It is necessary to work, and not complain about working conditions.
    1. podpolkovnik
      14 August 2014 09: 50
      Quote: Monge
      Museums are made for people! And not for the maintenance staff. Namely the staff! ..... In St. Petersburg, the artillery museum doesn’t interfere with crawling by kids and this is normal. This is part of educating future wars ...

      And no one says that you can’t climb. And the author is talking about that too.
      The point is that one should not try to turn something away on souvenirs and shit inside! After all, initially it was supposed to be able to go inside the dugouts (he was with the children himself), and climb the technique.
      But, sorry, without fanaticism, so that no one would collapse from it!
      Or do you propose to put an employee with a magazine for safety briefing near each exhibit?
  22. Owl27
    Owl27 14 August 2014 09: 49
    Everyone argues so interestingly ... Unknown pigs, frostbitten youngsters, moron grannies ... And whose they are ours with you, did not fly from Mars! Everything comes from the family, and if dad throws a pack of cigarettes out of the car, mom smokes on the playground and the bull-calf extinguishes in the sandbox, guess what will make the cub? Plus a total disrespect for others for nothing, but finally! Not enough internal culture. I go fishing in two or three places of permanent, quite far from residential places, you won’t get there without a car, it’s amazing that the fishermen leave behind them !!!! Is it really difficult to take with you what you brought, drank, and ate? Probably it is necessary to create a social model of behavior: to respect people, not to spoil around yourself, to help, protect, not to pass on rudeness and bestiality. Start with yourself!
  23. shitovmg
    shitovmg 14 August 2014 09: 51
    I agree with many, but there are several questions. You haven’t tried to set up free toilets, well, then paid at least? There are expositions, especially outside the city, to see which you need more than one day, and there is no buffet or toilet !!! Well, I take pictures and experience of such visits is there, and sandwiches with me, and some water, and spare batteries, and rags, and bags, well, ballot boxes are available. But what about those who are with children, in the heat and for half a day at least ???
  24. podpolkovnik
    14 August 2014 10: 01
    We once brought to the unit large-aged children aged 15-17 years on the day of the draftee or something like that.
    So one in the storage of military equipment went down in the corner. I studied with a Kalmyk fighter who was actually caught in the steppe and went to the toilet in the training school that caught this individual. From surprise, his eyes popped out on his forehead ....
    And one individual .. yes, yes, he sat down ... in a big way .... inside the KSHM R - 142. For those who don’t know - a cabin with a bunch of radio stations based on GAZ - 66. It was a polar fox, comrade officers, it’s called — they showed the children the equipment, let them sit inside and look. And his ass, the cattle, began to wipe with sheets torn from the form on the combat vehicle that was in the compartment on the seat.
    Well, he remembered the trip for a long time, while the escorts and the commissar came running, his fighters snorted in the products of human life ...
  25. Earnest
    Earnest 14 August 2014 10: 14
    Quote: gmasterbit
    sensibly, but who will pay for copies and glass?

    We pay for the modest cars and furniture of our "fathers of the people", so there is money. bulk bastard, but the Rospil project sometimes fishes out this (
  26. Fuzeler
    Fuzeler 14 August 2014 10: 25
    The article is a plus. It is felt that the author is not just rooting for his work, but is trying to convey that museum exhibits are, first of all, MEMORY, a reminder of our past.
    Such an article would be used on some thread on a liberal site, here it would be useful, but here, in my opinion, there are no such nonhumans about whom the author writes.
  27. goose
    goose 14 August 2014 10: 28
    Quote: Owl27
    Is it really difficult to take with you what you brought, drank, and ate?

    I’ve taken away garbage from one place 11 (!) Times in a car, about 3 tons turned out to be all sorts of bottles, cans, packages, etc. garbage from vacationers. HATE !!!
  28. Vend
    Vend 14 August 2014 10: 57
    You know the double attitude to the article. On the one hand, you are right, but on the other. When my daughters came to the Museum of the Great Patriotic War of Smolensk, there is a lot of equipment. Children rushed to her, then sat on a carriage, then on an armored personnel carrier, on a tank. And at the same time heaped up with me questions, and why? and what's that? what’s called? And I, by virtue of historical education, told them about the combat path of these machines, affecting the victories of our country. It turned out such an informational education + game. If I forbade them to climb, they would not receive important information about our history. The question that you raised is multifaceted.
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  30. Signaller
    Signaller 14 August 2014 11: 25
    I read about museums, and I immediately think of a classic example - Arkady Raikin "In the Greek Hall".
    "Time is three, and I am still not in one eye, and time is passing ...". Look how our people go to museums. "Listen, you white mouse, he stood for two thousand years without a herring, and now, let him stand with her" .... And so on. "He ripped open this knight, and inside he has our sawdust. Oh they fool us, oh they fool us." Of course you have to have respect for monuments and history, but this is not taught now. We have the main thing - "Who got up first, that and the slippers." Well, something like that happens.
  31. doxtop
    doxtop 14 August 2014 11: 31
    The problem is not crap. And not that they do not care about everything. The problem is different!
    We, adults, in the general pursuit of "everyday life" have forgotten that children need not only to grow up, but also Educate!!! Do you look at the state of the modern "family institution"? Children by 70 percent or more are given by us at the mercy of educators, teachers, and there is even worse ... the Internet, "zombie". Who should put the concept of "Kind, light, eternal" into their brains from an early age? Really the above mentioned !?
    Unfortunately, I have not yet acquired my own children. However, I firmly know WHAT information I will put into my child, so that he remembers all his life "what is good and what is bad." And if I suddenly find him for "bad" things ... 3,14 I will go so far ... so that the scars on my ass remain! Mother and Father whipped me with a belt! And nothing! Now I always say THANKS to them for this!
  32. Hort
    Hort 14 August 2014 11: 55
    Is this why now, in order to go to the exposition of equipment, do you still have to pay separately? Or did the museum follow the Moscow zoo into a baryzhyzhnost?
  33. Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 August 2014 12: 05
    But we don't have a minister of culture. For we are all regardless of age. gender and nationality we believe in one god "BABLO". It would be the Ministry of Culture, then maybe someone explained to the babloviks that ancestors should be respected and the memory should be honored!
  34. Lenar
    Lenar 14 August 2014 12: 42
    What do you want? The level of culture, the education system, sports must be maintained and developed for the education of young people, and not to let dust in the eyes of the population with various numbers, indicators, billions, investments in any next project.

    I’ll add from myself that I often visit museums. Recently I visited a diorama in Belgorod, I agree with the author of the article.
  35. screw cutter
    screw cutter 14 August 2014 12: 42
    All this disgrace comes from impunity, make fines, so that as in Scandinavia, differentiated, the more income, the greater the fine. I remembered the words of one HP, "I" earn "for this, so that bribes and fines do not hit the pocket too much" .And for such antics, if you may say "athletes" should be deprived of all regalia. And so that the police are not afraid to catch them.
    PS And who put a minus to the article, it’s just interesting to know why?
  36. faterdom
    faterdom 14 August 2014 14: 08
    This is a general education system. For some reason, along with the Moral Code of the builder of communism, morality in general, as a relic, and the Ten Commandments and everything else, were rejected.
    Which, incidentally, was not done by Muslims and Jews. And the next generation of pigs is growing under the supervision of the first.
    By the way, after the revolution, from "now everything is possible" quickly passed to the fact that "not even everything is possible", and even a little later - "almost nothing is possible."
    And why: indulging the base aspirations of the lower classes, as well as the national-separatist currents in the outskirts, is very necessary for the massive seizure of power. And not at all necessary after. If only the seizure of power is not done from the outside - then yes, no one denied "divide and rule" from the Latins.
  37. Zuborez
    Zuborez 14 August 2014 14: 30
    Yes, they themselves are ghouls from the first.
    How many of their exhibits on Poklonnaya Gora? Half armored trains from the Museum of the Armed Forces. And the Su-27 probably bought for their money.
    They put up a fence, a cash desk, some fringes in camouflage.
    I led a guest of the capital on a tour a year ago. I was quite surprised by the changes.
    There was a museum, it became a commercial enterprise.
  38. Andreitas
    Andreitas 14 August 2014 16: 52
    On the ass so it is necessary to give nettles!
  39. Leousa4
    Leousa4 14 August 2014 16: 55
    Fools who have a cerebellum instead of a brain, and the rest is g ... o.
    In the fall of 93, when the "bayonet" frame was already mounted, and, by 30 percent in the upper and middle parts, the external panels were mounted, but the suppliers and builders did not have time to mount the stability balancing system, an emergency happened, which was very feared.
    In the morning a strong wind blew. The frame of the "bayonet" was shaken so that the top went 10-15 meters. All gallery personnel and builders on the upper floors of the Museum building were evacuated. It would be scary to look from below, but it was better not to look from the roof of the building.
    The builders made the decision to put in several wire braces to secure it. But to complete the work, several assemblers had to go upstairs. Only volunteers went. We raised the cable ends and fixed them. All this was done on a wildly swinging "bayonet". And then the cables were fixed on winches mounted on rigidly reinforced foundations in the pits prepared during this time, and then these cables were pulled.
    In these were heroes, then adrenaline was enough for everyone!
  40. serge
    serge 14 August 2014 17: 39
    The author proceeds from the premise that all people are equal and everyone thinks the same, and they act badly only because our country and people are like that. This is not true. 33 out of a thousand people in any country in the world (in Russia no more than anywhere else) are mentally ill. Those. all sorts of oligophrenics, patients with hallucinations, all kinds of delusions, or simply morally stupid. Under Soviet rule, these people, like it or not, were in hospitals during periods of exacerbation of diseases. Now many of them roam the streets, because in the course of the struggle for human rights it turned out that taking such a dangerous fool to the hospital can only be done through the courts. This is about sending natural needs in the wrong place. A normal, mentally healthy person will not shit anywhere. In addition to those comrades, of whom only three percent (and this is every thirtieth, by the way), there are a lot of people with disorders of character and behavior that do not reach the level of the hospital, but who are capable of much without the implementation of the proper legislation. You just need to strictly follow the criminal code. It is necessary not to scandal with the visitors of museums, but to call the police, and they must come. No controversy, just the police. In any law, it is not its severity that is valuable, but the inevitability of punishment. Show on television, and then in programs like "man and the law" only thieves, robbers and murderers can be seen, no educational and preventive work. Then, before blaming the public, you need to equip the place where you work. As you are to the public, so is it to you. If the museum is in the open air, there must be a video surveillance system for the exhibits, they must be illuminated, then no one would think of hooliganism there. Near the museum, and indeed in general, there should be many public toilets (or cafes like McDonald's, from which no one is driven out of the toilets), free or for a nominal fee. And then they will make toilets with an entrance for thirty to fifty rubles, then they wonder why this low-income public is looking for a dark corner. We need both laws and conditions under which people can (and should) behave in a civilized manner. There is nothing to nod to the West, there is also order in tourist places in the main. And even then, in the center of Paris, for example, you have to look at the asphalt under your feet, otherwise you can plunge into a dog's house, which the French fondly call "le chocolat". It's good there where we are not.
  41. basmach
    basmach 14 August 2014 21: 32
    To write on the walls of the toilet
    believe my friend, no wonder
    among shit you are all poets
    among poets you
    Why is this quatrain. To that. that such pigs, "poets" on various forums and in social networks, are all white-fluffy, smart-beautiful, and also honest-noble, but in life. And this applies not only to museums (this is just one of the facets) .Go out in your city to a park, a forest plantation or walk down the street after a holiday, but just look after any wedding at a military monument (there is such a tradition everywhere), look along the roads what you see. And it is not done by someone from Mars or the Moon. Maybe let's start with ourselves and our children - DO NOT THROW GARBAGE PAST URN, CLEAN FOR YOURSELF AFTER REST IN NATURE AND OTHER, in general, behave like people. And then we will not be surprised why in El Alamein it is possible to get into a tank and not get into it, and why all the hatches are open there, and why there is nothing screwed up, torn off and untwisted, carried away. Let's start with ourselves, loved ones
  42. oratai104
    oratai104 15 August 2014 01: 42
    Takvur. cool, from the heart and everything is correct, without wagging. And write about the good. The whole family loves museums. To the eldest daughter 19, she still puts garbage in the absence of a garbage bin in her purse to throw it at home in a bucket. The younger one is the same. Tell us about the good, well, when not pigs, but people. Save me, God.
  43. eaa59
    eaa59 15 August 2014 13: 46
    Honestly, it was small, it was also climbing on any military equipment. Fortunately, there were enough old planes in our military village. And then when he moved to the city, he also climbed cannons and tanks. It was interesting, military equipment vsezh. But they didn’t crap, why, after all, then you’ll climb again and you’ll step into muck, and this is wrong, indecent. Therefore, I can understand when the children climb (although the epochs have changed, but children's mischief has not disappeared). But when they were shitting, he never understood this, he himself handed out to the friends-comrades for this. and even now, when I see, I don’t pass by, or I try to reason with words, and if they don’t understand, then, as in a saying, I have to knock on the liver. and one more thing: thank you for continuing to work in museums and libraries. This is not an easy, inconspicuous, and often ungrateful work. Especially when there are such pigs
  44. Lehanset
    Lehanset 15 August 2014 14: 27
    The article is definitely "+" !! I would put a dozen of them ... Generation 90+ ...- 2000 year of birth. - it is a pipe in every sense - lost tightly and forever. No brains, no literacy, no culture, no national identity!
    Yes! That was the period with us. Everything is natural! But it is also depressing that this contingent educates children who have had time to give birth to the world!
    How to treat it, I don’t know. But I am very ashamed!
  45. Ilmir099
    Ilmir099 16 August 2014 11: 37
    Sorry, maybe I'm wrong, but now the 21st century technologies are coming in front and I think I’ll hang cameras in hard-to-reach clowns and take such gills as output.