Ukrainian army moves troops from Mariupol to the borders of Donetsk

TV channel LifeNews with reference to eyewitnesses reports that the Ukrainian army is building up a grouping of troops on the outskirts of Donetsk, transferring units from Mariupol there. The third day to the borders of the city are vehicles with military personnel and military equipment. The capital of the DPR is preparing for a new attack punitive.

Tonight the Petrovsky district of Donetsk was once again fired. Killed 2 civilians, wounded at least five. The 9-storey building was badly damaged by the explosions.

According to the correspondent of the TV channel, citizens live anxiously awaiting the massive attack of Ukrainian punishers. Night breaks are perceived by people as a common occurrence. Petrovsky District, Debaltseve and Gorlovka suffer the most from shelling.

Yesterday, August 12, around 40 shells exploded in the Kievsky district of Donetsk. Most of the ammunition hit the "green", but a few flew into the private sector, where the houses of local residents.

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[Mama_Cholli]

They ran out of meat, a new bastard ride ...

[DVxa]

They have a plan. Until the end of August, make all the "blanks"))

[Fidget]

Quote: DVxa

They have a plan. Until the end of August, make all the "blanks"))

for sure! and then winter is on the nose ... it's time to start producing shale gas! and there the rebellious population resists!
Obama probably tears and mosques ...
hold on, Donbass !!!

[Giant thought]

The Nazis do not abandon their crazy idea to storm Donetsk. I.Diots !!!

[DVxa]

Judging by Tymchuk’s information, they almost didn’t take it yesterday .. Brains are washed with their own.

1. The forces of the anti-terrorist operation liberated four settlements. A terrorist group in the Gorlovka area was in the ring. In addition, the attempts of the militants to strengthen their grouping in the Shakhtersk-Torez-Snezhnoye area, where the fate of the “DPR” is essentially decided, are prevented. Also in anti-terrorist operation headquarters reported that "Kadyrovtsy" who asked to give them the opportunity to escape to Russia came to them.
2. The National Security and Defense Council reported that our units during the battles in the Donbass destroyed “by chance” the special forces group of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation that appeared there.

[AndreyRS]

where is the info from? really write this?

[Stalevar]

Well, in a hurry to August 24. Perhaps they will throw all their strength into battle. So there will be more blood.

[Scoun]

Quote: Stalevar

Well, in a hurry to August 24. Perhaps they will throw all their strength into battle. So there will be more blood.

as if then all this did not turn out to be mirror-like ..

Yesterday, August 12, about 40 shells exploded in the Kiev region

and then there was
Yesterday, August 24, about 40 shells exploded in Kiev...
When will the military realize that they are killing their own people?

[Reinhard]

Yes, in the news on TV! Every day they sound!

[DVxa]

Quote: AndreyRS

where is the info from? really write this?

They write, and they don’t write it .. There flushing mom do not worry!

Center for Military-Political Studies
Non-Governmental Organization (NGO)
https://www.facebook.com/CenterVPI

And this is the main coordinator of the Information Resistance group:
https://www.facebook.com/dmitry.tymchuk
Dmitry Tymchuk, under whose pearls I am going to laugh for a smoke break so that people don’t embarrass in the office ... By the way, he has 200 thousand subscribers.

They also have a website for the Information Resistance group itself.
http://sprotyv.info/ru

Page in FB

[forest park 86]

They write and not, 100% dis

[wladimir]

Why quote false info in full? working on bender’s hand

[UFO]

Quote: wladimir

bender

Hto

[zzz]

Quote: UFO

Quote: wladimir

bender

Hto

[DVxa]

If you read carefully, you might have caught that spark of humor with which I gave Old and the share of indignation that arose from the fact that the brain was washed there among the people specifically.
It’s not for you to decide where I work and for whom, don’t waste the air for nothing.

[vigor1288]

they have already leaked about the Kadyrovites - that this is disinformation, these cannot even lie normally

[wow]

Today on ukroradio betrayed that "... the Russian Federation led by Putin is no longer able to supply the" separatists "with equipment and ammunition, so they send so-called humanitarian aid in the form of potatoes and canned food ...". The chatter goes on uninterrupted and utterly, of the Goebbels model of April 45 (Wochenschau, Rundschau), when Russian artillery, tanks and aviation tore Berlin to shreds, these "mouthpiece" broadcast about the colossal successes of the Harman army on the eastern front ...! But today Goebbels turns over in his grave with envy.

[Finches]

They have no other choice!
Poroshenko has no other choice - he was clearly assigned the task of the White House, no negotiations, no compromises, only 100% control of the situation over these territories! Poroshenko is an agent and hostage of the State Department, I think that after some time he will end up like Berezovsky ...

[Curculum]

Quote: Finches

Poroshenko has no other choice - he was clearly assigned the task of the White House

Moreover, the US President took a two-week vacation: Barak went to rest at a crucial moment when the fate of such an important project as "Ukraine" is being decided. So, most likely, the fate has already been decided. If not the entire project, then at least its southeastern part. And the decision is most likely - "further without us." If Kiev takes Donetsk (which Washington, probably, does not really count on anymore), the US President will return from vacation and there will be a conversation. If he does not take, someone in Kiev will be made extreme in order to write off all the failures.

[Finches]

They also have a meeting with Powder scheduled for September 6 at the NATO summit.
The powder was summoned to a report with a report on the work done, so he is puffing up!

[vigor1288]

they are preparing a holiday for Independence Day

[Ural guys]

It will be a holiday for them!
Will they be carrots with poppy seeds! Yatsynyuk loves her very much.

[mirag2]

Meat-and-meat, it’s not a problem — but a technique that pulls itself up and regroups, shoots itself, sets itself at the prevailing heights, in short, to the right positions — THIS creates such a problem for the militia ... and it will create it.

[tilovaykrisa]

they are preparing, they will storm the city; they don’t have a way out of the other;
God will give everything to lie there.

[zzz]

It was high time it was time to lure the junta out of Mariupol, maybe even our sea will somehow help. I think that there will be another boiler. Hold on, Donetsk!

[APS]

After the DPR, the next point of deployment is Chernihiv, where the authorities are digging a hole for them just right!

[work67]

Concentrate in one place, what would be easier to hail and cover artillery could be?

[Altona]

Now, the Kharkov Javelins would not have prevented the Southeast ... Threshing armored columns of punishers ...

[volot-voin]

Quote: Altona

Now, the Kharkov Javelins would not have prevented the Southeast ... Threshing armored columns of punishers ...

Kharkov must first be freed. Any supply would not hurt the Southeast. Urgently need an unofficial guianitar from the Russian Federation.

[bergberg]

Mariupol partisans, it’s your time to take power in your hands! Beat the Ukrop junta and cleanse your city of Nazi evil!

[Roman 1977]

Well, let them build up, some at least 10, yesterday we went to Donetsk ... (+ 18)

These "went" a little earlier and already

It started like that, well, right SS-Panzer-Division "Totenkopf"

but ended ...

so that in the evening we expect another

[Shoma-1970]

If it were not for Putin’s mate, then God would have spared you but you creatures, there is no mercy from God for you. Here you have a suki, la la la la la, eat the creatures !!!

[Ingvar 72]

Yeah, the video is not for the faint of heart. Crumbled into cabbage.

[calocha]

Tush in Ukraine!

[DPZ]

these pravoseki (from the first and second clips) have become me? because now they will not jump!

[Alex20042004]

I understand everything, mourning. And what on the video: "These" went "a little earlier and already" at 2.29 minutes on the right, two fighters in full dress are smiling? What fun to them? Or did they join the Yankees?

[Shoma-1970]

And they started with "glory heroes"

[cat hippopotamus]

The dead were carried out and the living on the last journey were carried out, glory to the heroes in the next world.

[Roman 1977]

Calm down citizens - heroes don’t die ...

Pan Tymchuk will explain everything to you in the evening, he even has a book:

[slav4ikus]

uuu stsuki cry baptized

[AVIATOR36662]

A wonderful video with a bus! There is nothing better than the sight of your enemy already in such a "inoperative" state. And from the zombie Ukraine, the video shows that the punitive forces have too much manpower for the war. But no armor (multiplied by Bandera speeches) saves the punishers from just retribution.

[Kilo-11]

Clowns! Bender's greetings and "my ..." telniki. You will see such a mixture of symbols only in Ukraine.

[Mihail29]

If Donetsk will withstand this assault (And I think it will be so), then for Kiev it will be, for Berlin, Stalingrad.

[iiggi]

History repeats itself, Hitler hoped to capture the USSR before the start of winter, the same thing. Parashka study history, it has a cyclical character. Only meat is a pity. But not the National Guard, which should be paired immediately into the crematorium furnace, so that there would be fertilizers for the next sowing.

[Magic archer]

They do everything to pull us into the war, scum ....

[IAlex]

Hmm, the news is not very good, all the more likely they will try to cover themselves with an IWC convoy so that they do not fire, and most likely they will stuff a saboteurs truck in some kind of nuisance ...

[Momtano]

Apparently in Kiev, they perfectly understand what they are doing! What they do in Moscow they don’t even know in the Kremlin!
Recognize the obvious fact - the so-called New Russia is living its last days (maybe weeks)! Whether you like it or not, this is an obvious fact!
Just pile up all the facts:
1. Obviously, until August 8, the DPR-LPR still had a vague hope that there would be some help from the Big Brother, but there was a bummer. Remember the story of the "emergency speech of the President of the Russian Federation." In the morning, sensational news about the speech was announced, and the message came from the Kremlin press service. Then this statement was also mysteriously disavowed. Allegedly - "fake". Strange "fake", however. Because the primary source was precisely the press service. She also denied the statement.
2. On the same day (8.08.14/XNUMX/XNUMX), a message appears about the resignation of Borodai and the appointment of Zakharchenko. What can it say? Borodai was the link between the DNR/LNR and Moscow. After the message about the “cancellation of the emergency performance”, it becomes obvious that there will be no help and this tragicomedy with Novorossia must somehow be tied up. How to do it?
That's right - to remove the "Moscow" (Borodaya, Strelkova) and appoint the "local" (Zakharchenko). By the way, Zakharchenko is rumored to be close to Akhmetov. Immediately from Zakharchenko appears contradictory, at first glance, proposals for a ceasefire and, on the other hand, about the readiness to launch an offensive. This is something from the series - "we are not surrounded - we are just advancing in four different directions." In short, this is an obvious offer of surrender on honorable terms. Add to this Strelkov’s statement about the complete encirclement of the Donetsk-Gorlovka group and everything becomes very clear. Of course, if they wish, they can still hold out for a week or two, but even that is unlikely. Kiev needs quick successes and, apparently, they will achieve them. Moreover, in Moscow they have already “given up on everything.”
3. An interesting story with this humanitarian convoy. If anyone paid attention, on August 9.08.14, XNUMX, a message slipped through that the Ukrainian authorities did not allow the penetration of a convoy of humanitarian cargo with the support of the Russian military. Whether this is true or not is difficult to say. But it is clear that there is no smoke without fire. Probably, there was an attempt to intervene directly, but it remained unfulfilled - diplomatic pressure was put on Russia and it once again conceded. In order to prevent direct Russian intervention, Kyiv "reluctantly" agreed to skip the so-called. humanitarian aid, but on such draconian terms for Russia that it should not be considered a diplomatic victory for Lavrov's department. Rather the opposite.
4. What is this humanitarian convoy for? This is probably Moscow's attempt to put a good face on a bad game. Most likely, this is a way to explain yourself to your own electorate. It is necessary to answer something, when asked what kind of participation, Russia has shown in the fate of the South-East, not counting the endless "concerns" of the Russian Foreign Ministry and "peace talks". It will be possible to answer that we carried out a “humanitarian action”. The question arises for what? This will not make any impression on Kyiv and the West, and this will not help the residents of, for example, Luhansk.

[Dezinto]

Uh ... dude ... are you smart dofiga? I painted everything on points .. and in your head la la la?
..well, look and remember where your ignorance leads idiocy and venality!

[Momtano]

Not mine! But I look at things as they really are, and not as I would like!

[vrach]

Montano, any human opinion is a subjective opinion, and this is -

But I look at things as they really are, and not as I would like!

This is not serious. You are not the Lord God?
There are other and quite reasonable explanations for your points. I won’t bring them, I don’t want to repeat myself, it’s better to focus on elusive moments.
1. At the moment, the vast majority of field commanders in the Donbass are local. And no one is waiting for them in Moscow, as it logically follows from your words and throwings of Kurginyan. And what are capable of thousands, even tens of thousands of people who have nowhere to run?
2. Oligarch Akhmetov? Parliament adopted a law on confiscation of property. Interestingly Rinat believes in his bright future? He is now in Kiev, which only proves his deplorable state, he practically does not steer anything.
3. The dashing swoops of the Ukrainian army very clearly indicate an acute shortage of reserves, which are so needed to consolidate such a resounding success of the Armed Forces, which means, as already mentioned, a meat grinder without a purpose. No, however, one goal is precisely achieved - the factories and communications of Donbass are destroyed - that is, very often the property of Akhmetov. How is Gorlovka Coke and Chemical Plant doing business surrounded by it, have everyone already forgotten? That is, Akhmetov again multiplied by zero?

So once again what did you write about Montano, probably about objectivity, as a philosophical category?

And Russia, Russia has already won. Now we need to win the Donbass.

[nfoma80]

I feel sorry for you Montana, they will spit you and spit you out. But some of your words are close to the truth. There are several facts: 1. Something rarely began Strelkov appear. 2. Despite the success in the defense of Donetsk, the ring is compressed, and nothing can be done. 3. Communications, supplies, electricity, water are all cut off. (Many who comment here have no idea what it is to live 3-4 days without food, water, electricity). 4. The ammunition is not infinite, and ammunition and shells are constantly needed a lot and no trophies will make up for it. 5. No reserves. all who wanted to defend their homeland were already in service, the rest either hid like rats, or fled to Russia side by side. In short, it will be very difficult for the guys, but we hope, hope.

[vrach]

Damn one more. Dear nfoma80, I also know a lot, but I am silent, but now I will not be silent. A simple game of arithmetic - during the Israeli operation in Gaza, approximately 1200 civilians recently died in 3 weeks (!!!), approximately the same number of civilians died during the ATO in Ukraine in 3 months (!!!).

All these APU raids from powerlessness, the further continuation of the ATO is possible only knee-deep in the blood of the same civilians. Therefore Strelkov is silent, because he knows what is going on and Poroshenko knows. The game to increase rates continues. Peace here is someone to regret. And cartridges, cartridges should have ended a month ago. And who will tell you what holy spirit West Beirut held for 1984 for a whole month? Two uprisings in Warsaw in 1942 and 1944.?

[nfoma80]

But I’m thinking damn how many of you. The APU’s raids will continue indefinitely, until everything is filled with blood, and they don’t give a damn about the civilians and their soldiers don't give a damn to him, he’s coming. And are Ukrainians theirs for Poroshenko? The supply was not Warsaw. The cartridges were always taken there, so they did not end there, and if the road was cut, then the end. Or the fate of the two uprisings in Warsaw, and West Beirut ended in a happy ending? The road needs to be kept because if they are surrounded, then the end is inevitable. The retreat from Slavyansk was done precisely for this, but now there is nowhere to retreat. I’m afraid that Poroshenko will now stir up some mega dirty trick from inappropriateness, the whole CIA works for him, and they are famous for the mega ideas of ala Boeing.

[Shoma-1970]

Listen "buddy" you want to say that Putin does not know what he is doing?

[mojohed2012]

And where does Putin do that. Well, it would have been very necessary - the RF Armed Forces would have long stood near Lviv Kiev. Moreover, sanctions have already been imposed by those that previously wanted to be introduced only if Russia invades. And then it didn’t invade - they entered it anyway.
Something is waiting in the Kremlin.
Or the fall of the Southeast, which I really do not expect, and I think that this will just collapse all Putin’s ratings every second, because he passed Novorossia and allowed the ukrohunt to exterminate it.
Or waiting for some events, and the convoy is a tactical step.
Why did Shoigu talk about the teachings of the Russian peacekeepers? - apparently they will go under a certain set of circumstances.

[s1н7т]

Quote: mojohed2012

and the convoy is a tactical step

And what does it give tactically?

Quote: mojohed2012

Why did Shoigu talk about the teachings of the Russian peacekeepers?

Then, as ordered so, it was designated by the RF Ministry of Defense, so to speak. Until then, until it goes.
Although, probably, now in Moscow they are looking for a break-even point of Gazprom in the face of confrontation with YSA and UES. I can assume that now a lot depends on Europe - the main consumer, so to speak. Further their "stop!" Putin will not go for sure.

[g1v2]

Does it ever occur to anyone that several million New Russians should be fed corny? Lugansk and Donetsk under constant shelling and considerable efforts are made by the leadership of Novorossia to corny feed and accommodate those whose house is destroyed. In Lugansk there is no electricity for example. War is not only ammunition and fuel, but also grub and supply of the population. Those who believe that these goods in KAMAZ are not needed and not important in New Russia are stupid animals. We cannot openly help with military cargoes, but if we remove from the militia part of the concern for supplying millions of inhabitants, we will help this no less than with tanks. And dill squeal, because they want to strangle Donetsk and Lugansk with hunger and cold, and we frustrate them with these plans. They can’t refuse openly, because it will be an international blow to the rest of the reputation and another accusation of genocide, but they will do everything to prevent the convoy from reaching it. And in this case, we are on a horse in any way. If the convoy reaches, there will be no blockade of Lugansk and Donetsk, even in the case of encirclement. If dill attacks a convoy with humanitarian aid under the auspices of the Red Cross, we have a legitimate reason to intervene, unlike a couple of dozen shells that were unclear by anyone in the Rostov Region. In general, everything is clear, and the fact that 280 cargo cars were collected so quickly shows that everything has been calculated and prepared in advance.

[Stalevar]

Quote: Momtano

It is obvious that until 8 August, the DNR-LNR still had a dim hope

And where, excuse me, did this date pop up in your head, do you have access to classified information or have you read the Censor, DEAR COLLEAGUE?

[Momtano]

No, just commonplace logic. From 4 to 8, large-scale exercises of the Russian Federation were held, and until 8.08 the Ukrainian army regrouped + 8.08. attacked the Red Ray than cut off the LPR from the DPR. Is it logical?
By the way, it didn’t occur to you that Krasnyi Luch and Shakhtersk had not yet been taken, not because they couldn’t take it, but only in order for the Donetsk-Gorlov group to leave the way to the Russian border. Maybe for this they left the border. Why get involved in protracted city battles if you can squeeze the enemy into the adjacent territory?

[Cap-3 USSR]

It looks like you are collecting old money from grandmas on a bench, or from TV in Ukraine.
And the conclusions are appropriate.

[Momtano]

If I'm wrong - justify

[DV69]

Quote: Momtano

If I'm wrong - justify

So you kind of justified. Only you do not want to hear.

For example, you write: "Large-scale exercises of the Russian Federation were conducted from 4 to 8, and until 8.08 the Ukrainian army was regrouping + 8.08. They attacked Krasny Luch than cut off the LPR from the DPR. Is it logical?"

What's the logic? YOU will not specify where the "large-scale exercises of the RF" were carried out and how they relate to the capture of the Red Ray, which today is again under the control of the militia? Where is the logic?

By the way, it didn’t occur to you that Krasnyi Luch and Shakhtersk had not yet been taken, not because they couldn’t take it, but only in order for the Donetsk-Gorlov group to leave the way to the Russian border. Maybe for this they left the border. Why get involved in protracted city battles if you can squeeze the enemy into the adjacent territory?

But I am sure that the cities of Donbass were not taken precisely because they could not be taken.

[Momtano]

Do not be nervous. I repeat, if I am not right to justify, and not freak out.

Quote: DV69

But I am sure that the cities of Donbass were not taken precisely because they could not be taken.

The difficulty of defense is that it cannot be ensured evenly across all sectors. Simply put: "somewhere thick, somewhere empty." And the offensive goes to the area where "empty". And the name in the same Donetsk, a group of approximately 5-6 thousand people, it is impossible in such a large city to condense the defense so that it would be impossible to open it in all areas, even reinforcing this defense with armored vehicles. At best, this defense will turn into throwing from one area to another to parry blows.

Quote: DV69

What's the logic? YOU will not specify where the "large-scale exercises of the RF" were carried out and how they relate to the capture of the Red Ray, which today is again under the control of the militia? Where is the logic?

The logic is that by 8.08.14, the National Security and Defense Council assumed the beginning of the military on the part of the Russian Federation (read the messages) and announced a concentration of up to 47 thousand on the Russian-Ukrainian border. True or not difficult to judge, but it sounds convincing. On the other hand, the words of the Russian Armed Forces sound absolutely unconvincing that the exercises are in no way connected with events in Ukraine. In the end, such large-scale exercises involving up to 100 units. aeronautical engineering rarely pass simply for drill. And it is always possible to transfer aviation from Alushtuk to the border if there is an order + to those already at the border.

[DV69]

[quote = Momtano] Don't be nervous. I repeat, if I am not right to justify, and not freak out.

I am completely calm.

[/ quote] The complexity of the defense is that it cannot be provided evenly at all sites. Simply put: "somewhere thick, somewhere empty." And the offensive goes to the area where "empty". And the name in the same Donetsk, a grouping of about 5-6 thousand people, it is impossible for such a large city to condense the defense so much that it would be impossible to open it in all areas, even reinforcing this defense with armored vehicles. At best, this defense will turn into throwing from one area to another to parry blows.

That is, they can’t take the city even with such a weak, according to you, defense of the Armed Forces? And I wrote about what.

[quote = DV69] What's the logic? YOU will not specify where the "large-scale exercises of the RF" were carried out and how they relate to the capture of the Red Ray, which today is again under the control of the militia? Where is the logic? [/ quote]
The logic is that by 8.08.14, the National Security and Defense Council assumed the beginning of the military on the part of the Russian Federation (read the messages) and announced a concentration of up to 47 thousand on the Russian-Ukrainian border. True or not difficult to judge, but it sounds convincing. On the other hand, the words of the Russian Armed Forces sound absolutely unconvincing that the exercises are in no way connected with events in Ukraine. In the end, such large-scale exercises involving up to 100 units. aeronautical engineering rarely pass simply for drill. And it is always possible to transfer aircraft from Alushtuk to the border if there is an order + to those already at the border. [/ Quote]

On the concentration of Russian troops on its border. True, in different quantities, the Ukrainian leadership has stated more than once. But, I want to draw your attention, no intrusion has yet occurred.
And about the aviation exercises, they were held in Russia, in the Astrakhan region, which does not border Ukraine. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has every right to conduct exercises anywhere in Russia, and we do not need to indicate where this can be done and where not.
No need to behave like psaki. This is forgivable to her; she taught geography at an American school.
If Russia wanted, Russian troops would have long been in Kiev.

[Andrey Skokovsky]

Quote: Momtano

If I'm wrong - justify

can you introduce yourself?
who are you and where are you from?
served?

[nfoma80]

Yes, they cut this road a hundred times, and a hundred times they beat it back. It is strategically important, and it must be kept. About the corridor for the retreat of garbage, you think they do not want to organize a boiler, but they want to shake, they also need to loudly declare how great and victorious they are.

[Ivan Tucha]

Both in the Kremlin and in Novorossia (even the Obama starts to work, it doesn’t snag yet, but took a vacation) they know what they’re doing, but you have time, a trip, a month and a half.

[DPZ]

I think Russia, namely Putin, knows perfectly well what they are doing and what to do. unlike us. if their plans and intentions were easily calculated, then the price would be worthless to them!

[Russ69]

Quote: DPZ

I think Russia, namely Putin, knows perfectly well what they are doing and what to do.

Know, then know. But what purpose does the Kremlin know or not. At least in terms of actions, one thing is clear. They don’t want to recognize the DNI and LC, they don’t want to provide real help ...

[DV69]

Quote: Russ69

Quote: DPZ

I think Russia, namely Putin, knows perfectly well what they are doing and what to do.

Know, then know. But what purpose does the Kremlin know or not. At least in terms of actions, one thing is clear. They don’t want to recognize the DNI and LC, they don’t want to provide real help ...

What do you mean by real help? The entry of troops?
This will only lead to the fact that our country, and notice on full grounds, will be declared the aggressor. There will be no peace on the borders of Russia. We will be drawn into another conflict.
And do we need all this?

[demel2]

Quote: DV69

There will be no peace on the borders of Russia. We will be drawn into another conflict.

And in any case, there will be no peace on our borders, or are you in doubt?

[DV69]

Quote: demel2

And in any case, there will be no peace on our borders, or are you in doubt?

I would like to believe what will happen. And I really want that as soon as possible.

[aleks700]

Yes, we are already involved. How can you not see this ?!

[DV69]

Quote: aleks700

Yes, we are already involved. How can you not see this ?!

And where are we drawn? And who are we? Sorry, I can’t make out your affiliation (the flag is not clear).
We do not participate in hostilities, we provide assistance (at least officially) only humanitarian. We are not involved anywhere.

[VAF]

Quote: DV69

We are not involved anywhere.

Who are you? Which are around or inside the Moscow Ring Road ???
so I ask you to go to the Rostov region, the Kuibyshevsky district ... even in Kuibyshev itself you can already feel "all the delights in the form of hardships and hardships" ... but the lay people have nothing to do with military service, this is just looking at all these "gestures" are beginning to ask very interesting questions ... such in the Crimea at a meeting or in Sochi ... they will not ask ....

Not "drawn" you are our .. loyal subject

[DV69]

Quote: vaf

Quote: DV69

We are not involved anywhere.

Who are you? Which are around or inside the Moscow Ring Road ???
so I ask you to go to the Rostov region, the Kuibyshevsky district ... even in Kuibyshev itself you can already feel "all the delights in the form of hardships and hardships" ... but the lay people have nothing to do with military service, this is just looking at all these "gestures" are beginning to ask very interesting questions ... such in the Crimea at a meeting or in Sochi ... they will not ask ....

Not "drawn" you are our .. loyal subject

I am not "who are around or inside the Moscow ring road". I am ready to come not only to Kuibyshevo in the Rostov region, but also to the city of Washington, DC. For this I don't need much - an order. And "hardships and hardships" I still endure the same.
And yet, yes, I am a loyal subject, because I gave the oath. So, what is next.
And where are we drawn into?

[aleks700]

I explain. We are embroiled in conflict. Armed conflict. After the annexation of Crimea in the eyes of the West, we are aggressors. Even if we (Russia) do not fire a single shot, it’s the aggressors and invaders. In short. It is necessary to provide assistance to New Russia literally on the lists provided.

[DV69]

Quote: aleks700

I explain. We are embroiled in conflict. Armed conflict. After the annexation of Crimea in the eyes of the West, we are aggressors. Even if we (Russia) do not fire a single shot, it’s the aggressors and invaders. In short. It is necessary to provide assistance to New Russia literally on the lists provided.

No need to explain. We are not involved in any, especially armed conflict, because we are not at war with anyone.
What we are called aggressors and occupiers are just words.
And as for the help of New Russia, I do not argue.

[Russ69]

Quote: DV69

What do you mean by real help? The entry of troops?

Why, immediately the introduction of troops?
Help with equipment, ammunition, equipment, fuels and lubricants, and much more is needed for war. Especially GDP, made promises, but somehow forgot. The more the junta became impudent, the more ours did, for some reason, concessions ...

[DV69]

Quote: Russ69

Quote: DV69

Why, immediately the introduction of troops?
Help with equipment, ammunition, equipment, fuels and lubricants, and much more is needed for war. Especially GDP, made promises, but somehow forgot. The more the junta became impudent, the more ours did, for some reason, concessions ...

And who told you that we are not helping? Or the militia of Novorosia shoots the holy spirit?

[aleks700]

Our country has already been declared an aggressor. Only some do not hear, do not want to see.

[DV69]

Quote: aleks700

Our country has already been declared an aggressor. Only some do not hear, do not want to see.

Announced. But there is no evidence. Let them announce further. The dog barks - the caravan goes on.

[Mountain shooter]

I join. These are Obamkina moves for three cycles ahead, and the aikido master does not calculate so easily. So far, no throwing is visible, like a boa constrictor, hypnotized the European rabbits. A wedge is clogged between Europe and minke whales.
Cracks have already gone.

[Dmitry 2246]

In Ukraine, blood is being cleansed. The most frostbite Nazis die (the chitropopics hid).
This will allow us to improve the gene pool of Ukraine in the future.
We do not need to cleanse ourselves with blood and, most importantly, needs.
And those who jump and shout knives on their knives and get - that's right.
Simple and clear logic - get what you deserve the killer and critters.
First, try to fight with the Donbass, and then cut the throats of each other, because evil. destroys evil.

[Momtano]

5. What does Russia intend to do next? They probably don't even know themselves. They will go on the defensive. As long as the DPR/LPR existed, it was still possible to bargain about something and hold meetings of the “contact group”. With the imminent disappearance of these factors, Russian diplomacy is also deprived of this very dubious trump card.
6. In this regard, the visit of the GDP, ministers and deputies of the Russian Federation to Crimea is planned. Finally, they decided to break the long "silence". There is an opinion that an incendiary speech and statements from the “We will not surrender Crimea” series are expected. Maybe they themselves believe in it, but really have no idea how they are going to do it. Turn the peninsula into a besieged fortress? But, excuse me, the deaf defense did not bring anyone to good. In the end - the ends, you can arrange a blockade of the Crimea! In addition, there are still a lot of ways to put pressure on: Transnistria, the Caucasus, the Kaliningrad region, the Far East. And this is only, roughly speaking, power methods. And there are also economic, etc.
In addition, the likelihood that they will trample on the Crimea this year is very high. The battle infusion is cheerful. The army is ready. Why waste time and wait until spring - who knows what will happen next (winter is ahead, however). Yes, and you need to dispose of the extra contingent. In general, the conditions are favorable.
How the Kremlin will explain to the electorate that having left one war they came to another is a difficult question.
Summarizing all of the above, we can conclude - of all the participants in the conflict, the most inaudible position was with Russia. You can curse the Junta as much as you like, but you cannot but admit that the position of Kiev and Washington has been clear and clear all this time.
The diplomatic position of Russia in this conflict could be described as follows: “WE ARE NOT AT WORK !!!”. The ostrich’s position is interesting in itself, but in this case your counterpart raises a logical question - if you are not a party to the conflict, then what kind of thing are you getting into it? Why do you participate in all these negotiations, “contact groups”, sign these meaningless Helsinki agreements that everyone forgot about on the second day? If you are not a party to the conflict, as you constantly insist on it, so go away do not interfere - we will deal with the DNI / LC. And you do not go! Simple and clear logic!
And the diplomatic logic of the Russian Federation comes down to strange formulas: “there is no threat to the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation” and “we are not participants in the conflict.” So you are doing well? Well, so roll aside and do not get under your feet.

[Olkass]

Momtano Today, 11:50

Mr. Archistratig! In the General Staff of the Russian Federation a place is being released for you.
Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
But for some reason, it smells like another boiler for ukrov.

[KG_patriot_last]

I don’t know how to respond to the author’s fabrications, but I have an answer to your post.

The last time you saw a militia map provided by a militia? What kind of boilers are we talking about if 2 counter-attacks passing through the entire territory of the DPR create a threat to the DPR environment and Strelkov speaks about this already in the open? This despite the fact that they are attacking on all fronts, preventing them from concentrating forces not only on a new boiler, but on squeezing them out of strategic supply roads?

Let's not throw caps, but soberly assess the situation, the person writes correctly - the situation is critical.

[maxbrov74]

Another connoisseur of all the subtleties behind the scenes. Full for you. Write better what is more original than "Putin has leaked everyone." Turn on your fantasy. Let VVP, for example, begin to hand over to the organs of children evacuated from Donbas. Another analyst.

[asar]

Well, so roll aside and don’t get under your feet

Are you, in the sense of yourself, giving advice, dear Montano ?!
Really, do not get confused! Do not think, do not meddle!
How do we figure it out, o, kay ?!
And if ukrovoyaki climb into Donetsk and Lugansk - there will be a lot of them! City battles are always hard! God forbid, crumble!

[navara399]

but you cannot but admit that the position of Kiev and Washington all this time has been clear and clear.
much more clearly, amending all the laws and regulations to turn the country over ... Breaking is not to build.
No, I strongly disagree with you! New Russia has already proved that it is able to exist thanks to the mobilization of its own, albeit insufficient for today, strength and powerful support of Russia! It’s hard for them, but it won’t work differently.
Even if you have to leave Donetsk, Lugansk is not the end of the struggle. To have an angry population and a territory saturated with diversionary struggle with fighters who have gained experience and can’t provide their future without fighting against hateful punishers in their most uncomfortable and strategically important area is a disaster for them that is stretched to uncertainty.
Everything is just beginning and everything is going according to plan, albeit according to a cruel one. But unfortunately it is impossible in another way. Everyone understands that this is an outpost and mattresses will not be satisfied with the capture of New Russia.

[Dezinto]

You are better than an epiphany soon .......piece by piece your country... but you still had independence ... and what did you do with it ??? LADIES! Why the heck did you give so many gifts so that you now cripple your country ?!

[78bor1973]

And you are a "strategist", you have laid everything out on the shelves, and you dream of sending Russian troops to Ukraine, just do not take the Ukrainians of Donetsk by August 24 - shit!

[semen777]

You sing beautifully, zaslanets! And you burn yourself a deer: "So everything is fine with you? Well, roll aside and don't get confused." Dreams, dreams ... Don’t give a shot, the main thing in your position is to get up on your skis in time, until the rope has been rubbed with soap. Although such philosophers are unlikely to take the sawn-off shotgun and climb into the old cache, you are more likely to press the keys somewhere abroad. don.ok.

[Momtano]

I am not a zealot ... Just voicing my thoughts. In these comments I undertake to discuss the moral character of Kiev or Moscow (who is good or bad), just the arrangement of pieces on a chessboard.

[nahalenok911]

Quote: Momtano

I am not a zealot ... Just voicing my thoughts. In these comments I undertake to discuss the moral character of Kiev or Moscow (who is good or bad), just the arrangement of pieces on a chessboard.

You have few figures and information to arrange. You can try, only one-sidedly turns out, hence the cons. And also, if there is no complete confidence and conviction in the correctness of your thoughts, you do not need to be so categorical when expressing them. And you will be happy!

[xbhxbr-777]

Fuck you! with your arrangement! After all, everything is not as you arranged, in your opinion we are fools americos!

[DV69]

Quote: Momtano

5.
In addition, the likelihood that they will trample on the Crimea this year is very high. The battle infusion is cheerful. The army is ready. Why waste time and wait until spring - who knows what will happen next (winter is ahead, however). Yes, and you need to dispose of the extra contingent. In general, the conditions are favorable.


That's what I'm looking at they have already flooded New Russia. And we have already won. And the fighting spirit is high, they are running towards the "enemies" in hundreds. In general, the conditions are really favorable to dispose of the remnants of the army.

How the Kremlin will explain to the electorate that having left one war they came to another is a difficult question.

Which other?

Summarizing all of the above, we can conclude - of all the participants in the conflict, the most inaudible position was with Russia. You can curse the Junta as much as you like, but you cannot but admit that the position of Kiev and Washington has been clear and clear all this time.


Much clearer. It was Russia who was to blame, and now, as the "culprit", it owes money, gas, and a bunch of other "goodies". It is not even possible to imagine a clearer position.

The diplomatic position of Russia in this conflict could be described as follows: “WE ARE NOT AT WORK !!!”.

And what Russia organized the Maidan? What is she doing?

The ostrich’s position is interesting in itself, but in this case your counterpart raises a logical question - if you are not a party to the conflict, then what kind of thing are you getting into it? Why are you participating in all these negotiations, “contact groups”, signing these meaningless Helsinki agreements that everyone forgot about on the second day? If you are not a party to the conflict, as you constantly insist on it, so go away do not interfere - we will deal with the DNI / LC. And you do not go! Simple and clear logic!

You contradict yourself. We’re not doing anything, then go away.

And the diplomatic logic of the Russian Federation comes down to strange formulas: “there is no threat to the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation” and “we are not participants in the conflict.” So you are doing well? Well, so roll aside and do not get under your feet.

And what is the threat to the territorial integrity of Russia? Justify your thesis.
And about what would not be confused underfoot ...
In order for you to get confused under your feet, you must at least rise from the ground and grow a little. It is impossible to get confused under the feet of a dwarf.

[xbhxbr-777]

Such scum as you speak out as the last r = he! You want it to be like that, but in fact, the Ukrainians lie with the Americans. Yes, it’s difficult, but most importantly not the first time, Kutuzov left Moscow at the same time, but won the war .Ukraine will not give rest to Drnbass and they will not live there calmly !!! This story has repeatedly proved !!! No one will forgive them for killing old people, women and children!

[DV69]

Quote: xbhxbr-777

Such scum as you speak out as the last r = he! You want it to be like that, but in fact, the Ukrainians lie with the Americans. Yes, it’s difficult, but most importantly not the first time, Kutuzov left Moscow at the same time, but won the war .Ukraine will not give rest to Drnbass and they will not live there calmly !!! This story has repeatedly proved !!! No one will forgive them for killing old people, women and children!

Please specify who you called it scum?

[legolden]

you are too small and stupid and you have not seen any big w ... (behind the cockroach stove) Thoughtfully narrow. Lavrov Putin (God bless them all long years of life) the words just do not say that. Any of their actions is calculated thought out and bears a great benefit and benefit. And most importantly, everything is within the framework of law and justice. Soon we will all see what fruits their effects will bring.

[DV69]

Quote: legolden

you are too small and stupid and you have not seen any big w ... (behind the cockroach stove) Thoughtfully narrow. Lavrov Putin (God bless them all long years of life) the words just do not say that. Any of their actions is calculated thought out and bears a great benefit and benefit. And most importantly, everything is within the framework of law and justice. Soon we will all see what fruits their effects will bring.

Who is the post to? Write please.

[DV69]

Quote: DV69

Quote: legolden

you are too small and stupid and you have not seen any big w ... (behind the cockroach stove) Thoughtfully narrow. Lavrov Putin (God bless them all long years of life) the words just do not say that. Any of their actions is calculated thought out and bears a great benefit and benefit. And most importantly, everything is within the framework of law and justice. Soon we will all see what fruits their effects will bring.

Who is the post to? Write please.

I don’t understand, is that minus for the sake of minus? Did I offend anyone? Or do you not read what is written at all?

[surovts.valery]

And what are you there, respected in the Far East, are going to do? Gallop on the central square of Khabarovsk (Lenin EMNIP) or on the Square of the Fighters of the Revolution in Vladivostok? welcome. In Vladivostok, so instantly, at sea. Swim, cool off. A revolutionist has been found.

[special]

I believe that this is the agony of the junta ... The last reserves ... As it was written in one article, recruitment to the punitive battalion "Dead-4"

[calocha]

; Mobilization codenamed ZhMURKI -4

[Arh]

Putin Enter the troops !!!

[Andriuha077]

Whoever he was, bring humanitarian aid to the addressee, not the junta.
To start.
If anything, aiding the Nazis will be appreciated by enthusiastic Russians.

[navara399]

Well, he certainly doesn’t listen to you ...

[Arh]

I don’t know what the joke was, it was my call !!!

[Mishanya 84]

Z.opu is torn before the onset of autumn rains. Until then it will be easier to hold out.

[Andriuha077]

The US - Terrorist Operation is in full swing.

So what is next

Further events can develop in different ways. The front can collapse almost instantly, the army after the first significant defeat can simply disappear from the battlefield (and partially even go to Kiev). But theoretically, the junta has the opportunity to temporarily stabilize the front and provide organized retreat.
Read
http://warfiles.ru/show-66037-rostislav-ischenko-vremya-prishlo.html
... but the time for making a responsible decision (whatever that decision is) has come.

[Koloradovatnik]

To take the city you need at least three-fold superiority in manpower over the enemy. If in Donetsk there are now about 5 thousand militias, before ukrookarateli need at least 15 thousand people. And given the moronic nature of the command and the extremely low morale in the army, as well as the presence of MANPADS, heavy armored vehicles, competent command and high morale, coupled with a clear understanding of their purpose in this war, the dill militia will need thousands of 50 personnel to storm. So, they will be forced to transfer all their forces to storm Donetsk. And leave all attempts to block the border. And with an open border, dill has no chance of winning. In general, the navel will be taken off Donetsk to take. However, they may try to block the road to Lugansk and begin the siege of the city. This is the worst. So, you need to defend Horlivka at any cost to the militia. Victory to the defenders of New Russia!

[KG_patriot_last]

With a weakening of the grip around the LPR, they will immediately help the DPR, so that they will not transfer all their forces to storm Donetsk. But it’s difficult to say exactly in terms of quantity, not all of the DNI forces in Donetsk and not the fact that they all move into the city with the city surrounding.

[Mountain shooter]

IMHO, in the city there are more forces at the militia. Take a city with a perimeter of 40 km in a continuous ring - is this a soldier per meter? with such a density of environment, such a perimeter as a rotten rope will break. And on battery for 1 km. Rave. They don’t have such forces. Only if they put together everything that is in a heap, but there is nothing to cover the inevitable losses with. blocking is still on the roads, and even then on the main ones. Dill aviation seems to be over. If the militia doesn’t have a fit of despondency (and it doesn’t look like), dill shines nothing but a bleak drape.

[navara399]

The fascists are not appeasing ... This is an elementary lack of reason. How can you blindly throw and throw your citizens into a meat grinder? The Maidan fuse has already passed, with what thoughts do they go to death? You need to take off your hat to the propaganda machine ukrov, this is what you need to make efforts to drive their people to slaughter in this way. Yes, it’s not hunting to call them people, their brain is hopelessly affected, pus is treated only surgically. So the war continues ...

[cat hippopotamus]

All according to Dr. Gbels: Give the media at my disposal, and I will turn any nation into a hundred of obedient pigs. It seems that the deaths of their citizens, who are willing to lay their heads for 2500 hryvnias without receiving them, are attributed by these grandmothers to dead souls.

[RUSLAT]

And how much should the hunter be destroyed while the brains of Ukrainians are cleared?

[demel2]

Quote: RUSLAT

And how much should the hunter be destroyed while the brains of Ukrainians are cleared?

Ukrainians have such brains that they seem to never be cleared, at least in the next generations. IMHO

[sever.56]

Now they will tear their asses so that by August 24th they will report to Pig Little Huntik about the completion of the ATO. They have the 24th - Independence Day, probably independence from the mind. Dill - separately, mind - separately. But I think, although it’s very difficult for ours now, but dill, once again, will get through the horns. Their mobilization resource is running out.

[navara399]

A hole to them from a donut and not Donetsk ...

[zorch]

13.08.14/XNUMX/XNUMX Posted by colonelcassad
Preparing for the assault.
According to local reports, with a very high probability in the next three days, perhaps tomorrow, a general attack of the junta troops on Donetsk will begin. The concentration of the junta’s troops has practically ended, all more or less combat-ready units have been pulled up, and the supply of ammunition for artillery and MLRS is ending. In Donetsk, all available calibers of barrels and rocket artillery plus aircraft will be used. It is planned not only to knock out the militia from the foreground in the south, but also to enter the city quarters from the north-west and west. At the same time, an attack on Yasinovataya will be struck from the north with an attempt to reach Yenakievo. Troops in the area of ​​Shakhtersk and Krasniy Luch will have to hold down the reserves of the militias, while simultaneously trying to cut the main roads leading to Donetsk.
For the junta, this is actually an all-in game, since the failure of this offensive will require a further operational pause to replenish the already battered troops, not to mention fuel and ammunition. The huge losses that the junta suffers for 3 days near Ilovaisk is a characteristic indicator that they will not take into account the losses, the junta will try to take Donetsk into the forehead at all costs. The main task is unchanged, to capture Donetsk until August 24, so this is a classic of "on-time" ...

http://red-sovet.su/post/23704/preparing-for-storm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_med
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[SHOCK.]

They constantly "build up" something there. Then they get in the teeth and again begin to "build up".

[andrei332809]

Eh, but there is where to 'have fun' for our rotary-winged 'predators'

[cat hippopotamus]

Let the juntas please their mothers, but the fun of the USA is to return home with a load of 200.

[Tima]

When Ukrainians end in Ukraine, everything is thrown and thrown.

[father nikon]

Ukrainian army moves troops from Mariupol to the borders of Donetsk

And how did this "army" end up in Mariupol? So this is the Donetsk region.

[Nina Zima]

13.08.14/XNUMX/XNUMX Message from militia commander Yuri Yurchenko

"FRAGMENT
Donetsk, hours 9 evenings.
On the side of the road stands a gazelle, the driver-militia talking to someone on the phone.

Militia:
“... I am talking to you from his phone ... But there was nothing to come to our land! And tell all the mothers to quickly take their sons away! And Poroshenko, this nits, tell them not to send your boys here ... And your son, mother, will rot here now ... "(Turns off the phone)

Call

Militia:
“... Well, I told you: I don’t have your son anymore, I have his phone. That's it! .. (Having seen the commander approaching the car) Now I will hand over the tube to the commander. ”

Commander:
“... Did you know where your son went? .. He was killed. Here is the war. Call this number anymore! .. ”

(returning the phone to the militia)

"... Woe to them ... And we have here - no sorrow ??"

Donetsk, 12 August. "

[Yugra]

While the troops are being withdrawn from Mariupol, militias should be activated there. And burn Ukrainians, burn and kill these damned

[Russ69]

13.08.14/11/22 XNUMX:XNUMX LifeNews correspondent message

Motorola units took control of the city center of Miusinsk, forcing the enemy to retreat.

Motorola and Forest militia detachments entrenched in the city center of Miusinsk of the Luhansk People's Republic, battles between self-defense defenders and security forces continue to take place on the outskirts. During the clashes, 20 Ukrainian soldiers died, 3 were captured. The militias have 2 fighters as missing, 5 more are injured.

Despite the fact that the enemy had at least a twofold advantage in manpower and a ten-fold advantage in technology and artillery, the defenders of self-defense managed to take control of the position in Miusinsk and force the security forces to retreat.

The militia was advancing with 80 men, with one armored personnel carrier and several mortars. The punitive forces in the city had up to 30 armored vehicles, including three Grad installations, at least five tanks, as well as self-propelled guns, several infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. The infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, consisting of units of the National Guard and the "Right Sector", numbered about 150 people.

Already during one of the shelling, the militia managed to knock out 3 units of armored vehicles, 2 tanks were destroyed the day before. Now part of the equipment is dispersed across the fields and ravines, part continues to fight on the outskirts of the village.

The main task of the militias, who were able to repel the attack of the Ukrainian army, was to restore full communication between the DPR and LPR. The last 5 days the track was fired by the National Guard, some sections of the road were blocked.

The attack on Miussinsk is only a part of the operation to clean up the "friendship road" connecting Donetsk and Lugansk. And the point is not only in military strategy, the route is in fact the main humanitarian artery of the South-East.

On August 11, fighters of the Motorola division in the area of ​​the cities of Miusinsk and Krasny ray did not let the Ukrainian troops take control of the section of the road connecting Snezhnoye with the LPR. The reconnaissance units of the DPR army, one by one, revealed enemy sabotage groups.

[Russ69]

13.08.14/9/55 XNUMX:XNUMX Moscow time. Morning report from the militia Prokhorov.

"Regarding yesterday's pictures of the shot bus with pravosekami - a division of the Dnepr-2" Yarosh, which finances Kolomoisky. They recognized 12 dead and 13 injured. The couple ran away.

In the Gorlovka area: at 5.30 am local time, the Ukrainians began shelling Yenakiyevo. As always - in residential areas (the so-called "small town" and in the industrial horse - the local metallurgical plant and coke oven).
In response, 40 minutes for occupants positions in Uglegorsk worked Grad.

Recently he said that punishers consider the area near Dzerzhinsk (near Gorlovka) to be one of the most partisan.
And this is so-Bezler's fighters yesterday ambushed an ATO supply convoy from Petrovka (just west of Dzerzhinsk), punitive recognizes the loss of the Urals-4320 with all who were there.

Also confirmed yesterday's coverings (3 times) of their hunt in a. Stepanovka (at Saur-Grave) and the shelling of the roadblock at sec. Ilyinka, shelling of Lugansk airport and other attacks.
Something just did not tell how their column at Lutugino (LC) was covered, and then in the morning positions in the city itself. And a lot more. "

[zzz]

Quote: Russ69

Recently he said that punishers consider the area near Dzerzhinsk (near Gorlovka) to be one of the most partisan.
And this is so-Bezler's fighters yesterday ambushed an ATO supply convoy from Petrovka (just west of Dzerzhinsk), punitive recognizes the loss of the Urals-4320 with all who were there.

I know this area. Been there. Two roads go almost parallel to both Artemovsk and Dzerzhinsk, and between them a huge territory - agricultural. Research Institute of Cherry, pears, apple trees ... the best varieties were considered, the deep outskirts of Gorlovka. Abandoned heaps, and many landings. The area is just for the partisans. There is where to take refuge. To locals there is expanse.

[Yellow white]

Our proud Varyag (Donetsk) does not surrender to the enemy !!!!

[siberalt]

Maybe it's better. No need to go to Mariupol themselves go.

[kondor-espada]

Quote: Momtano

What does Russia intend to do next? Probably they themselves do not really know. They will go into the dead defense. As long as the DNI / LC existed, it was still possible to bargain about something and hold meetings of the “contact group”. With the imminent disappearance of these factors, Russian diplomacy is losing this very dubious trump card.

It was necessary to give a damn about the EU and the USA even when this war started in the Donbas and troops were sent in, and so how many victims how many broken fates - damn Russian fates ... biden - su..ka and their ilk will simply exterminate all those undesirable on the Donbas. Cleansing the concentration camps and executions is what the Donbas expects if we don’t intervene and the second war in Crimea ... well, if the Nazis slip into the Crimea and ours are just the same silent then I don’t know ..... to what will it lead to.

[legolden]

Quote: kondor-espada

Quote: Momtano

What does Russia intend to do next? Probably they themselves do not really know. They will go into the dead defense. As long as the DNI / LC existed, it was still possible to bargain about something and hold meetings of the “contact group”. With the imminent disappearance of these factors, Russian diplomacy is losing this very dubious trump card.

It was necessary to give a damn about the EU and the USA even when this war started in the Donbas and troops were sent in, and so how many victims how many broken fates - damn Russian fates ... biden - su..ka and their ilk will simply exterminate all those undesirable on the Donbas. Cleansing the concentration camps and executions is what the Donbas expects if we don’t intervene and the second war in Crimea ... well, if the Nazis slip into the Crimea and ours are just the same silent then I don’t know ..... to what will it lead to.

They will not be silent. If we brought in troops, then broken destinies would be more at times. we will protect the Crimea and in the DNI and LC we would invade. Understand the difference.

[kondor-espada]

Quote: asar

God forbid, crumble!

You won’t crush them there.

[Prussian]

It’s impossible to close the millionth agglomeration, it’s impossible to force 40 thousand corps, we can talk about varying degrees of control of the main access roads. Time plays for us, the winter company, always narrows the possibilities of offensive operations, completely different logistics and completely different volumes to which the enemy clearly does not ready.

[KG_patriot_last]

But to keep the defense in the millionth agglomeration by the forces of 5 thousand is impossible physically ... I think they will trample in the assault in a concentrated manner, if they consider that there are enough forces for this.

[kostyan77708]

Why do not install radio-controlled land mines and do not mine potentially dangerous routes ??? Take the example of Syria, where government troops undermined the cueva heap of terrorists with equipment in this way, the video on the network somewhere was

[aleks700]

Just nothing.

[KBPC50]

They want to get help from Russia and not give the PEOPLE. and X GAME YOGHURT NOT sucked? Nobody will give you this help, equal, even in approximate figures of 4 billion. NOBODY AND WILL NEVER give. !!!

[Wolka]

the news is certainly not very pleasant, but since the junta is pulling together troops, it doesn’t mean that it can be deployed correctly, it’s quite possible that the militia will again be thrown into the cauldron and forcemeat ten years ahead ... or maybe they will tear ukrovoyak out on the march ...

[smolnuy]

Now Mariupolites should move.

[CheByrashka]

Gather reptiles in a heap - and work out in hail, so that every fascist gets his portion!

[oakim]

I’m looking at equipment already at dill has become thinner ... are they really exhausted?

[mojohed2012]

Unfortunately, they say that from Romania and Moldova there are trains and road trains with t-shkami covered with awnings - tanks of the former USSR, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, other equipment and weapons for the Ukrainian army.
This all gradually makes up for the loss of the junta.
If the number of the militia were to increase by an order of magnitude at the same time, then it would be possible to speak of counter-offensives in principle, but now, unfortunately, the expansion is only needed to "tap" the local defense of the junta in different directions for a further concentrated strike. What is the point of stretching the front of the DPR-LPR? There are few people and technology too.

[sgazeev]

As they are thrown over, so they themselves "will be thrown away".

[smolnuy]

most tender wish.

[netwalker]

Hmm ... I will repeat myself for the third time - they will not be able to take the city "at speed", well, they will not ...
Although, if all the forces are pulled up and they secure a proper preponderance, then it’s completely, but then they will have to weaken all fronts except Donetsk, and this is a sure way to failure. And the storming of the city itself looks very doubtful, although it is quite possible. Dill went all-in, but the odds are not in their favor, let's see how it ends.

[vigor1288]

There were already screams in the ukrov network that Moscow didn’t send 280 trucks, but 300, like the rest with weapons for terrorists. Well not morons?

[novel68rus]

when will their meat run out ... namely MEAT. their people do not consider their command .. it’s time to think about ukra ..

[Magamed]

You are from Mariupol .. a new plan, amerosokovetniki.

[mojohed2012]

Tell me ... over the past 50 years, where did the US Joint Chiefs of Staff (their general staff) plan at least one successful military company?
Did it help Mishiko? not. Did this help Azerbaijan in early August to attack the positions of the Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh and overturn their front? not. The presidents came to Moscow even, because in the short term do not see a military solution.
Although they say Azerbaijanis did the plan at the Pentagon. If there are no trained strategists and tactics, then woe to that army.

[RomanN]

Nevertheless, the situation with the humanitarian convoy from Russia is somehow strange, the states suddenly do not blather, although on the eve they declared the complete inadmissibility of our help, equated it with military aggression. What still happened? What kind of tops in the internet goes about the surrender of the Crimea, like blabbed. The rabbis of Europe came to the bird, something he bargained for their own, etc. and so on. About replacing Arrow rumors go. In general, our business is to wait for news.

[vadik191007]

This Ukrainian army is ready ??????????? You're a sick dude all over your head and your spinal cord is hurt.

[sigismund]

My opinion is that the LPR / DPR was nothing more than a diversion from Crimea. They made a mess, while constantly repeating "And we have nothing to do with it !!!", and rightly so, we do not need Russia's invasion of Ukraine at all and would even be extremely dangerous, because could lead to the 3rd World War.

What have we achieved? Crimea officially Russia. The tourist season was held in Crimea, showing the local population that they are better off with Russia than with Ukraine. As a result, Crimea has become an integral part of Russia completely. Now, in the case of the Ukrainian intervention in the Crimea, what do we get:
1. The attack of Ukraine on Russia, and not vice versa.
2. The local population of Crimea will take the side of Russia.
3. No matter how hypocritical the West is, but in the event of a war in Crimea, it will be difficult for them to recognize Russia as an aggressor.
Based on this, most likely there will be no war in the Crimea. DNR / LC paid with their blood for the Russian Crimea. DNR / LNR will be merged, Ukrainians will celebrate the victory, and if they try to bite the Crimea in joy, then their teeth will break. Crimea must have been prepared for defense over the summer, and they will no longer have to fight there with the militias.

[mojohed2012]

And it will not be necessary to fight with the militias, and most importantly - not for long. On the same day, special boards in ukroelite will start from Kiev to the USA.

[atos_kin]

Quote: Sigismund

My opinion is that the LPR / DNR was nothing more than a distracting maneuver from the Crimea.

A very superficial analysis of the causes and effects led you to an erroneous conclusion. According to your logic: the organization of the Maidan-to transfer the Crimea to the Russian Federation.

[Beccer]

Please tell me if Poroshenko did not realize what he did to his people? Does he really want to go down in the history of his "state" as the bloodiest, dumbest, most worthless, and presumably the most corrupt and most shameless president on earth ?! I know the story well enough and there is reason to believe that it is so - this pathetic offspring of humanity does not even have the elementary courage to put a bullet in his forehead, since he sees that everything went wrong! Why were eggs given to him at birth ?! I agree that suicide is not Christian, but there is so much blood on it that the demon himself in hell will look for a place for him. , you will be forever and all your kind is cursed !!!!! I have no more words .......

[smolnuy]

such cling to life, and their native mother will be killed in order to survive.

[pascal309]

I think that we have no fools at the top. They understand perfectly well that if Novorossiya does not take place, then over time a military bridgehead will be established there (NATO, Nazis, National Guard) for a future attack on Russia. One thing is not clear: why are we dragging out the military campaign in the South-East? An extra day of war means extra casualties. What's the plan for this?

[el.krokodil]

Quote: Volka

the news is certainly not very pleasant, but since the junta is pulling together troops, it doesn’t mean that it can be deployed correctly, it’s quite possible that the militia will again be thrown into the cauldron and forcemeat ten years ahead ... or maybe they will tear ukrovoyak out on the march ...

this already happened... when the militias from Slavyansk also left 2/3 of the forum, Novorossiya was buried and the Svidomo strategists came out... don’t bury... don’t whine... the one who fights well is the one who has maneuver and initiative... in our first time it was no sweeter when ours The militant columns were a nightmare and the snipers are now at Ukrop... but we had aviation working and Ukrop were deprived of fire support and air evacuation; their RDGs climb at random and merge... the militia is well motivated, it’s at home, it knows the area well ..and they are not in complete blockade; volunteers from RUSSIA and other countries come constantly, not to mention the presence of heavy weapons and people who know how to use them..

[olegkrava]

Quote: Russ69

Quote: DPZ

I think Russia, namely Putin, knows perfectly well what they are doing and what to do.

Know, then know. But what purpose does the Kremlin know or not. At least in terms of actions, one thing is clear. They don’t want to recognize the DNI and LC, they don’t want to provide real help ...

If you tell everyone what you are up to, how long will you live? And so, everything is calm, and then bam and everyone starts pooping and pissing. It was treacherous Russia that spoiled the whole parade. If Russia were not sure that Strelkov would not cope, then there would be progress, and maybe there is, how do we know.

[smolnuy]

It's time for Mariupol residents to get active.

[nfoma80]

THIS hero left for another job, that's it guys, that's all

[legolden]

Quote: DV69

Quote: legolden

you are too small and stupid and you have not seen any big w ... (behind the cockroach stove) Thoughtfully narrow. Lavrov Putin (God bless them all long years of life) the words just do not say that. Any of their actions is calculated thought out and bears a great benefit and benefit. And most importantly, everything is within the framework of law and justice. Soon we will all see what fruits their effects will bring.

Who is the post to? Write please.

Momtano

[Andor-2]

From these turkeys you can at least get meat for food, but from the Maydauns we get cannon fodder.

[kva555]

Yesterday I was crumbling dill to freeze, lard squeaked from under the knife))
PS Where does Svidomite dill come from in the Kaluga region???

[dyremar 66]

Quote: Momtano

No, just commonplace logic. From 4 to 8, large-scale exercises of the Russian Federation were held, and until 8.08 the Ukrainian army regrouped + 8.08. attacked the Red Ray than cut off the LPR from the DPR. Is it logical?
By the way, it didn’t occur to you that Krasnyi Luch and Shakhtersk had not yet been taken, not because they couldn’t take it, but only in order for the Donetsk-Gorlov group to leave the way to the Russian border. Maybe for this they left the border. Why get involved in protracted city battles if you can squeeze the enemy into the adjacent territory?

they have never provided any corridors either in Slavyansk or anywhere else, but here they provided them? you are wrong montano

[vigor1288]

Well, the stupid people of the SBU, the National Security and Defense Council and who knows what else they are, they believe all sorts of fakes on the Internet and then they present them in such a way that all the intelligence services in the world rest and smoke on the sidelines. Now, according to their latest “intelligence”, together with humanitarian aid, the Russian Federation is going to (think about it!!) import the Ebola virus! It was necessary to invent such a thing!