IDF has tested “unmanned” armored personnel carriers in the Gaza Strip

During the “Unbreakable Rock” military operation, the Israeli army for the first time tested the remote-controlled M113 armored personnel carrier, reports newsru.co.il. These vehicles are being phased out, replacing them with the "Namer" armored personnel carrier. tank Merkava. However, instead of recycling, old armored personnel carriers are used for cargo delivery.

The first unmanned vehicle, the M113, was tested in the Khirbet Ahza area, where the Givati ​​brigade operated. An armored personnel carrier without a driver and crew capable of accelerating to 50 km / h and carrying tons of cargo to 4 was used to carry ammunition, weapons and food. To control the armored personnel carrier used a command vehicle, which was located on the border of the Gaza Strip. There were soldiers of the company "unmanned" equipment.

It is worth noting that the IDF has long been using land "Drones”, however, they have not previously delivered cargo. Since 2008, the border with the Gaza Strip has been patrolled by a Guardium vehicle, called the “True Companion” (“Shutaf Neeman”) by the IDF. Recently, a similar patrol was seen on the Israeli-Lebanese border. The Guardium does not have its own weapons, but the car's surveillance systems allow it to work at any time of the day in any weather. According to the commander of the mechanical patrol unit, such vehicles save a lot of money and save the lives of military personnel.

Another land drone is the Avangard car created by the Elbit Maarahot andAviation industry". It is equipped with a machine gun, a mine detection system and can be used to evacuate wounded soldiers. In April 2014, the command of the Northern Military District connected the Vanguards to patrol the Israeli-Syrian border.

Comments

[Giant thought]

If the IDF considers the use of unmanned armored personnel carriers justified, then this is their business, we think that there is no need for such a statement of the question.

[mirag2]

Yes, I think this option is suitable for everyone — I installed remote control, cameras, thermal imagers, and more.
Only in conditions of strong fire resistance, does it seem to me that they are easy to lose, if they are only unarmed trucks.
But in conditions of weak resistance, low supply of the enemy with ammunition capable of hitting this very technique, that’s it.

[iConst]

Quote: Giant thought

If the IDF considers the use of unmanned armored personnel carriers justified, then this is their business, we think that there is no need for such a statement of the question.

Like, let the losses be also human ... So?

[Dart_Veyder]

As the Father of the people bequeathed, it is necessary to go to the pillbox in full growth.

[DVxa]

There is no such yet, but development is underway. Let's see what comes out of this presentation ..

[Patton5]

I would not want to upset you, but from

from this presentation

nothing will come of it, for a fantasy on the topic ... just a beautiful cartoon

[bmv04636]

this is a long story back in World War II used body flamethrower tanks

[lelikas]

Quote: Thought Giant

If the IDF considers the use of unmanned armored personnel carriers justified, then this is their business, we think that there is no need for such a statement of the question.

Drones bought from them - the same BTR?

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Thought Giant

If the IDF considers the use of unmanned armored personnel carriers justified, then this is their business, we think that there is no need for such a statement of the question.

For the transport of goods, I agree! But for the special operation in the Caucasus, a BTR is needed!
how many houses in a private building you have to storm - imagine a heavily armored bulldozer, with powerful weapons (like a machine-gun groats, and flamethrowers), and remote control!
Wash, what the doctor ordered!

[Mountain shooter]

Very useful thing. We must protect our fighters. And an armored bulldozer with a machine gun and a flamethrower is generally a plague! He will only drive up to the house, and everyone will surrender, because no one wants to become a martyr because of a piece of iron. Great idea!

[Professor]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And an armored bulldozer with a machine gun and a flamethrower is generally a plague!

Well, such an unmanned bulldozer is already in service. IMHO the flamethrower is redundant (whoever saw this bulldozer live will understand)

[bmv04636]

In Chernobyl, robots refused to work; electronics were out of order, and people were already working.

[voyaka uh]

This usually happened: the bulldozer was just starting slowly
to overwhelm the house, so the militants or waved a white flag from the window,
or jumped out of the windows under the bullets of soldiers.
Bulldozers with buckets in holes were returning from Gaza
from RPG.

[saag]

That's right, let it be better that the iron alone works, otherwise the person will stop halfway, push the solarium to someone, the human factor however :-)

[Dart_Veyder]

M113 in Israel dofiga, I wonder how many of them will make drones. After all, having such drones in service, you can use them as cannon fodder, like droneless vehicles that were used to absorb air defense.

[ramsi]

such an opportunity should be available on all army moving equipment

[iConst]

The future belongs to the non-contact method of warfare. Only technically undeveloped countries, in the absence of "smart" technology, will throw people into battle.

[yushch]

Even the 4 parts of "The Terminator" removed by amers refute your statement.

[yushch]

Oh, you're not a Terminator fan? =)

[iConst]

Quote: yushch

Even the 4 parts of "The Terminator" removed by amers refute your statement.

What a scream! Reinforced concrete argument!

I suggest you not to lose time on the forum and see a couple of other fantastic movies ...

[yushch]

Scream is you, with your technically undeveloped countries. The great analyte does not allow that developed countries in this respect can supply modern weapons to undeveloped countries.

[iConst]

Quote: yushch

The great analyte does not admit that developed countries in this respect can supply modern weapons to undeveloped countries.

Tell me a technically undeveloped country that doesn’t know what to do with loot - I’m waiting and got popcorn.
The lack of a habit of systemic thinking (I do not want to offend you - it just might not be necessary for you) does not allow that:
a) hostilities can be relatively protracted and will have to replenish losses (and they are inevitable) - loot
b) you need to deliver these funds - logistics, the enemy will not sit idly by
c) where are the guarantees that they will be sold to you after the start of the mess (and at what price!)
- you can still pick up the negals ...

Are you trying to prove that own production is worse than purchasing?
But you are lying to the people! joke ...

Ishsho time I propose to close the topic and make peace

[Dart_Veyder]

Vryatli, because the electronic warfare systems are developing very much, drones will probably be, but the vast majority of equipment will be controlled not at a distance.

[Patton5]

The future belongs to the non-contact method of warfare. Only technically undeveloped countries, in the absence of "smart" technology, will throw people into battle.

With my primitive thinking, how can I not understand this ... how do you think such conflicts will end ?! Something like, you knocked out all my drones, and terminators I give up! In my opinion, the term "no contact war" is applicable only to wars with the Papuans! And if the war is with an equal enemy, it will be a priori contact, in any future!

[iConst]

Quote: Patton5

The future belongs to the non-contact method of warfare. Only technically undeveloped countries, in the absence of "smart" technology, will throw people into battle.

Me with my primitive thinking neither as not to understand this ... how do you think such conflicts will end ?! Something like, you knocked out all my drones, and terminators I give up! In my opinion, the term "no contact war" is applicable only to wars with the Papuans! And if the war is with an equal opponent, it will be a priori contact, in any future!

1. There is an adjective contactless. A without pin - This is the battery from which the contact fell off. In no way written together - this is what cut the eye.

Now about the Papuans: I recommend to see the chronicle of the last Iraqi war, when the Hussein army almost never met with the American. There were single skirmishes and partisan sorties of small groups during the cleansing of the territory processed by rockets and planes.

Look at the footage of tens of kilometers with the equipment burned on the marches. They even in battle formations often did not have time to turn around.

This is a contactless war.

And the rest - you drew the absolutely correct scenario - when one side knocks out (primitively) the other means of air defense and air strikes - then either surrender or turn into cannon fodder - there are a lot of frames in the network, like pandoxes are extinguished from helicopters and aircraft through optics Taliban, including and at night.

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[corporal]

Quote: Thought Giant

we, it seems, have no need for such a formulation of the question.

Well, while we are not fighting anyone, many questions do not arise.
IMHO it is necessary to have worked out prototypes, so that if something does not bother with the production "from scratch".

[iConst]

Quote: Corporal

Well, while we’re not fighting anyone ...

I suggest you visit planet Earth.

[Barakuda]

And who will cover them unarmed? The fighter got out of the ambush trench, gave a sledgehammer on the thermal imager-camera and dosvidos. If with crews in battle they kill them with a bang, then without and even more so. Perhaps to fight with "banana" countries. And in the modern army they will quickly put obstacles, and a mustache.

[iConst]

Quote: Barracuda

And who will cover them unarmed? The fighter got out of the ambush trench, gave a sledgehammer on the thermal imager-camera and dosvidos. If with crews in battle they kill them with a bang, then without and even more so. Perhaps to fight with "banana" countries. And in the modern army they will quickly put obstacles, and a mustache.

Ka-so it was just a whisker. To interfere - you need to know where, when and for whom / what. And just siphon at all frequencies into white light - catch a rocket.
Get out of an ambush trench (so from a trench or ambush? ) for a multi-channel panoramic visor - the task is not for the coward.
The survivability of such a vehicle is much higher - in case of defeat, some of the units remain operational, and in the case of the crew - this is the most vulnerable "element" of the combat vehicle - at least it will be stunned for a while.

So - one plus. And one minus is expensive and a production base is needed.

[yushch]

Deep knowledge of jamming, but a fellow pilot who flew on the MiG 31 told me an interesting story. During the exercises, they were assigned the task of detecting and "destroying" a group of strategists of the conditional enemy. Naturally, they were our strategists. So, after detecting the enemy, the strategists turned on such interference that in the fighters all systems began to show complete nonsense. And they had to "attack" the strategists with their grandfathers in a way, with a gun through a regular sight, everything else did not work.

[iConst]

Quote: yushch

Deep knowledge in jamming. And here is my fellow pilot

If this is for me - then:
1. I was taught at school to read the whole text and understand sentences in context. Of course, I understand that linking sentences, especially long ones, into a single context is not an easy task (for those who have graduated from the innovative Russian program).
I propose to refuse altogether also a bunch of words in a sentence (and possibly letters in words) - it will be even easier to conduct a discussion.
Read my entire post!
2. As for knowledge, it is significant in system analysis. And I can decide big circle tasks at the system level, without even being a specialist in these areas. Is it funny - and this is true.

In your example, EW tools included address - against relevant facilities: MIG-31. I wrote about this.
If they shone for days on end, then in reality they would have waited for a gift. Compromise woo mon ami?

[yushch]

Malchig, I studied back in the Soviet school. And you don’t have to beat the show about addressing interference. In Vietnam, the B 52 was also completely obstructed, the only problem was that the S-75 had more guidance on the television channel. And do not rush here with clever words about system analysis and so on.
In general, it is brilliantly targeted to put continuous interference.

[iConst]

Quote: yushch

Malchig, I studied at the Soviet school.

And also in relation to school there is a verb "pass". Many "passed" different objects, and, often, past ...

Quote: yushch

In Vietnam, the B 52 also put continuous interference, ...

That way - for two weeks they started to set ...
You don’t understand anything ...

I propose to make peace

[yushch]

I agree, if I offended you, then not out of spite.

[iConst]

Quote: yushch

I agree, if I offended you, then not out of spite.

Yes, it's hard to offend me - the weak are offended. I can easily admit wrong - so what. Only the ram will insist on its own.

In general, our dispute, if we consider it "correctly", is meaningless, since the thesis must be rigidly defined: what, how, in what conditions, etc.
Since it is possible to argue before yprachki that water boils at 105 or 90 degrees. The dispute does not make sense, since at least it is necessary to determine the units of measurement (Fahrenheit, Celsius) and the conditions - high mountains, in a pressure chamber or normal: 20g Ts., 760mm Hg, humidity 70%, salted or distilled ...

[yushch]

I just love to debate with smart people.

[sleepy]

A grotesque story about how a conflict that began over a trifle develops into a large-scale battle involving aviation,
fleet and ground forces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhM2O9OUZuY

[Basarev]

In general, Kamovtsev needs to strain on this issue. They create the most maneuverable manned combat helicopters, which means the drones will turn out to be simply magnificent. And more compact - there is no this long tail boom with a vulnerable tail rotor, which also wastes engine power without creating either lifting or propulsive power.

[Professor]

Quote: iConst

To interfere - you need to know where, when and for whom / what. And just siphon at all frequencies into white light - catch a rocket.

It is physically impossible to completely clog the ether as it is not possible to drown out the connection with the frequency hopping frequency.

[iConst]

Quote: professor

It is physically impossible to completely clog the ether as it is not possible to drown out the connection with the frequency hopping frequency.

Duc, what am I talking about ...

[bmv04636]

Oh professor do you tell the truth
An electromagnetic bomb, also called an “electronic bomb,” is a high-power radio wave generator that destroys the electronic equipment of command posts, communication systems, and computer equipment. The generated electrical interference by the power of the impact on the electronics is comparable to a lightning strike. Belongs to the class "weapons of non-lethal action."
According to the principle of destruction, the techniques are divided into low-frequency ones, using pickup in power lines for delivering destructive voltage, and high-frequency ones, causing pickup directly in the elements of electronic devices and having high penetrating power - enough small slots and ventilation for the penetration of waves into the equipment.
For the first time, the effect of an electromagnetic bomb was recorded in the 50s of the XNUMXth century, when the American hydrogen bomb was tested. The explosion was made in the atmosphere over the Pacific Ocean. The result was a power failure in Hawaii due to the effects of an electromagnetic pulse from a high-altitude nuclear explosion.
The study showed that the explosion had unforeseen consequences. Rays reached Hawaii, located hundreds of kilometers from the test site, and radio broadcasts were disrupted to Australia itself. The bomb explosion, in addition to instant physical results, affected electromagnetic fields at a great distance. However, in the future, the explosion of a nuclear bomb as a source of an electromagnetic wave was found to be ineffective due to low accuracy, as well as many side effects and political unacceptability.

As one of the alternator options, a cylinder-shaped design was proposed in which a standing wave is created; at the moment of activation, the cylinder walls are rapidly compressed by a directed explosion and collapse at the ends, resulting in a very short wavelength. Since the radiation energy is inversely proportional to the wavelength, as a result of a decrease in the volume of the cylinder, the radiation power increases sharply.
Delivery of this device can be made by any known method - from aviation to artillery. Both more powerful ammunition are used with the use of shock-wave emitters (UVI) in the warhead, as well as less powerful ammunition with the use of piezoelectric frequency generators (PHC).

[Professor]

Quote: Barracuda

A fighter crawled out of an ambush trench, gave a sledgehammer along the thermal imager-camera and dosvidos

Are you able to distinguish between uninhabited armored personnel carrier and inhabited? Have you heard of remotely controlled turrets with a 30 mm cannon?

[bmv04636]

Have you heard how
June 30, 1941 Corporal Ivan Sereda, armed with one ax, defeated a German tank and forced his crew to surrender

[padded jacket]

I wonder what are the losses of the Israeli army in armored vehicles during this conflict?
Does anyone have no data?
And to the load :
Israel Gaza Strip 1 August 2014 hit by heavy armored personnel carrier "Namer" from ATGM by Hamas guerrillas.

[yushch]

The operator is a real pro, pay attention to rocket maneuvers.

[padded jacket]

Yes, it’s only Israel tells tales that in the Gaza Strip stupid underdeveloped subhuman

[Geokingxnumx]

Quote: quilted jacket

Israel Gaza Strip 1 August 2014 hit by heavy armored personnel carrier "Namer" from ATGM by Hamas guerrillas.

I think that it worked Active protection and Intent purpose and unscathed

[yushch]

Everything can be a war. Everyone hopes for the best.

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

I wonder what are the losses of the Israeli army in armored vehicles in the course of this conflict? Who has no data? And in the load: Israel Gaza Strip August 1, 2014 hit on a heavy armored personnel carrier "Namer" from an ATGM by Hamas partisans.

Vatnik, you’re already exposing this video for the tenth time, although the previous 9 times showed you that there was no hit. the rocket was shot down by KAZ
For the entire duration of the operation, no tank protected by KAZ was injured (intentions are also protected), although dozens of shellings were carried out.

Quote: yushch

The operator is a real pro, pay attention to rocket maneuvers.

And the current is a rocket shot down.

Quote: quilted jacket

Yes, it’s only Israel tells tales that in the Gaza Strip stupid underdeveloped subhuman

They are not stupid and know how to fight - only we are better.

[yushch]

Yes, we know, we know that you are the best and even bulletproof. You just calm down, nerve cells are not restored.

[atalef]

Quote: yushch

Yes, we know, we know that you are the best and even bulletproof. You just calm down, nerve cells are not restored.

All breakable and we are the same. Nevertheless, we are better.

[yushch]

According to your version, it is possible. But you are the best because the forces are not equal. Your opponent has long been living in total blockade.

[atalef]

Quote: yushch

According to your version, it is possible. But you are the best because the forces are not equal. Your opponent has long been living in total blockade.

But did Russia have equal powers with the Chechens or Georgia?
Do not tell me about the total blockade.
Those who are in total blockade do not have missiles with a range of up to 160 km, Kornets, 120 mm mortars and generally the entire range of rifle, anti-tank and MANPADS systems.
They had only 1600 tunnels dug on their borders with Egypt. which even drove the buses

[yushch]

What about the Chechens or Georgia? At the initial stage, both there and there were more of them.
And if the Palestinians received the same help as the Chechens and Georgians, then I assure you it would be much worse for you.

[atalef]

Quote: yushch

What about the Chechens or Georgia? At the initial stage, both there and there were more

Well then, at the initial stage, there were more Arabs

Quote: yushch

And if the Palestinians received the same help as the Chechens and Georgians, then I assure you it would be much worse for you.

Laughed. Anyway.

[yushch]

So what's so funny about your elder brother’s help to the Georgians, by the way, your state didn’t help there. Do you get to the bottom of the matter? If the Palestinians were provided with comprehensive assistance in the same amount, it would be very difficult for you.
I have already said that the number of militants defending Grozny was more than 15000, the federal group was smaller. It was the same when the advance group of the 58th army approached Tskhinval. All this information is freely available.
My question is: Do you find it funny that people died there ???
Then do not be surprised at the laughter when your soldiers die.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: yushch

So what's so funny about your elder brother’s help to the Georgians, by the way, your state didn’t help there. Do you get to the bottom of the matter? If the Palestinians were provided with comprehensive assistance in the same amount, it would be very difficult for you.

Extremely short-sighted from a strategic point of view, the statement. The trick is that now we are forced to dose force, as we are dealing with irregular combat groups hiding among the civilian population.
It would be much easier for us to fight with a regular army wearing a uniform and possessing aviation, navy and armored vehicles. It is precisely such threats that we are able to cut very effectively, which we have repeatedly proved. You apparently have little idea of ​​what level of dominance in a conventional war against a technologically equipped adversary is available to us. The hardest thing is to fight against a poorly distinguished enemy using guerrilla tactics.

[yushch]

Quote: And Us Rat

Quote: yushch

So what's so funny about your elder brother’s help to the Georgians, by the way, your state didn’t help there. Do you get to the bottom of the matter? If the Palestinians were provided with comprehensive assistance in the same amount, it would be very difficult for you.

Extremely short-sighted from a strategic point of view, the statement. The trick is that now we are forced to dose force, as we are dealing with irregular combat groups hiding among the civilian population.
It would be much easier for us to fight with a regular army wearing a uniform and possessing aviation, navy and armored vehicles. It is precisely such threats that we are able to cut very effectively, which we have repeatedly proved. You apparently have little idea of ​​what level of dominance in a conventional war against a technologically equipped adversary is available to us. The hardest thing is to fight against a poorly distinguished enemy using guerrilla tactics.

I have no doubt in the capabilities of your army. I gave you a reasoned example that, with the support of the Palestinians at the same level as the Georgians in your army, it would be an order of magnitude more complicated.
Your difficulties of war with partisans are leveled by B.D. and the lack of mountainous and wooded areas.
At the expense of your dominance against a technologically equipped adversary, it will disappear after a month of intense B.D.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: yushch

I have no doubt in the capabilities of your army. I gave you a reasoned example that, with the support of the Palestinians at the same level as the Georgians in your army, it would be an order of magnitude more complicated.
Your difficulties of war with partisans are leveled by B.D. and the lack of mountainous and wooded areas.
At the expense of your dominance against a technologically equipped adversary, it will disappear after a month of intense B.D.

I would prefer to fight in a mountainous and forested area than in buildings filled with peace, it is not for nothing that Hezbollah avoided fighting outside settlements in 2006, and it is difficult to find more “mountainous and forested” terrain than southern Lebanon.

For a month of fighting with a high-tech enemy, one of the parties is reduced to the level of partisans without equipment (it is cut out first of all), what kind of loss of advantage are you talking about ?! Kag-be is not the 41st in the yard! Lingering battles of similar duration today are possible only in the confrontation between low-tech opponents (Iran-Iraq war), or against guerrillas (but this is not fights, but point skirmishes).

[Neksel]

Quote: yushch

Yes, we know, we know that you are the best and even bulletproof. You can only calm down, nerve cells cannot recover

Quote: atalef

They are not stupid and know how to fight - only we are better.

You yourself would not be so nervous. And would not distort the words of others. Not "The best" but "Better" (prepared and equipped than Hamas).

[yushch]

You’re tired of getting me crazy.

[padded jacket]

Yes yes tell tales
And not protected KAZ M113, where 6 or 7 invaders died, of course restored

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

Yes yes tell tales
And not protected KAZ M113, where 6 or 7 invaders died, of course restored

And Yaya spoke only about protected KAZ. There was no damage to the armored vehicles
M113 was hit - none of this secret does.
Only you claim that in the video ATGM struck KAZ - and it's just a lie. By the way, you have already been poked at this with your nose about 20 times, although it is clear that in your chronic case this is useless.

[padded jacket]

Is Namer equipped with KAZ?
And where did you see that they shot down a rocket
Or self-hypnosis again?

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

Is Namer equipped with KAZ?

Yes

Quote: quilted jacket

where did you see that they shot down a rocket

And where did you see that the tank was hit?

[iConst]

Quote: atalef

Quote: quilted jacket

where did you see that they shot down a rocket

And where did you see that the tank was hit?

I saw a lot of videos and the nature of the explosion is like a combat explosion of ammunition.
With damage to the AZ shell, a much less severe detonation is observed.

But to say anything is impossible.

[padded jacket]

Well, on these videos, we can’t say that the tank was hit, but then we can’t say with certainty that the missile was shot down by KAZ
Then it turns out that your KAZ has zero efficiency

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

Then it turns out that your KAZ has zero efficiency

You are constantly sitting in our media - there are dead tankers (except for one shot when he got out of the tank)?
Your fairy tales have zero efficiency
We do not have dill. The names of all the dead, as well as duty stations are known.

[sleepy]

It's easy to write on the Internet and upload videos where tanks hit.
And what kind of tankers inside these armored boxes?

A war devoid of ideals, turned into a daily routine. Which must be performed mechanically and unquestioningly, turning off emotions and thoughts, leaving only bare instincts. The film "Lebanon" is just about how everything unnecessary, absolutely unnecessary for the war, disappears.
Can you kill without hesitation without regretting your deed?
The law is simple - either you or you. Hopelessness and powerlessness. Betrayal of friends and foes. The space of the tank - behind it there is emptiness, inside the growing anxiety. A person may be "steel", but a tank is just a piece of iron. In physics, there is such a thing as "fatigue" of a metal. In "Lebanon" it happens to people. Inexperienced and untrained.
And you need to survive. And you need to survive and break through to the mythical Saint-Tropez.
Does it really exist? Or the road to it will turn into an eternity, and the night will never end

War is a cruel aunt. Two dozen hours spent by the crew of the tank in the belly of his car is no less hell than the one that Jonah experienced in the belly of a whale. Four people locked in a dirty iron tin can, not understanding what is happening around and what they should do.

[Geokingxnumx]

Quote: quilted jacket

Is Namer equipped with KAZ?
And where did you see that they shot down a rocket
Or self-hypnosis again?

Where did you see in this video that Namer was destroyed? or was there a butt?

[Dart_Veyder]

How many such videos have seen, all do not show the "remains" of armored vehicles, but only smoke from the so-called "hit", I wonder why))

[atalef]

Quote: Dart_Veyder

How many such videos have seen, all do not show the "remains" of armored vehicles, but only smoke from the so-called "hit", I wonder why))

Yes, because no ATGM could not overcome KAZ

[yushch]

It wouldn’t be bad if YOU backed up your claim with video with facts that KAZ has never been overcome. There would be less doubt, otherwise your statements would turn out against the claims of the Palestinians.

[atalef]

Quote: yushch

It wouldn’t be bad if YOU backed up your claim with video with facts that KAZ has never been overcome. There would be less doubt, otherwise your statements would turn out against the claims of the Palestinians.

In all published videos - there was no defeat of technology
Anyway, did you understand your question yourself?
The facts that KAZ has not been overcome are just the absence of videos and facts of the affected equipment.

[yushch]

You didn’t understand my question. Where is the video on your part that shows the marks on the armored vehicles from the destroyed rocket. Or will you say that there are no marks on the armor ???

[atalef]

Quote: yushch

You didn’t understand my question. Where is the video on your part that shows the marks on the armored vehicles from the destroyed rocket. Or will you say that there are no marks on the armor ???

First, read how KAZ works. ATGM crashes on approach and does not reach the armor
Watch the slow motion
Here they (Hamas) claimed that they had hit the tank.

[atalef]

or one more

[padded jacket]

And where is the confirmation that the tank was not hit?
Where is the shooting of a completely damaged car after shelling?
As Stanislavsky said, I DO NOT BELIEVE

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

As Stanislavsky said, I DO NOT BELIEVE

Do not need. To make it easier for you to sleep --- consider that all the tanks were wrecked, the crews were killed, and the IDF intimidated the media and their parents - God forbid, they would not tell anyone.

[padded jacket]

Well then, for complacency, consider that all missiles were shot down by KAZ.
And mothers will be calm for their sons.

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

Well then, for complacency, consider that all missiles were shot down by KAZ.
And mothers will be calm for their sons.

Yes, I’m calm. There are no dead tankers - that means the system is working.

[padded jacket]

Are there wounded (for example, seriously)?
In my opinion, 120 or more military.

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

Are there wounded (for example, seriously)?
In my opinion, 120 or more military.

there are 8 for today, and strangely enough it is known from which units and divisions. Yes, you yourself know, siddish in our media more than in Russian

[padded jacket]

And the rest 112?

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

And the rest 112?

with minor and moderate wounds., everything is in the press, you are in it (Israeli) are guided no worse than me. Find dead and wounded tankers and why.
I did not find. Like something about wrecked tanks.

[padded jacket]

But I did not find, give a link where all their wounded ranks and military specialties are indicated.

[yushch]

Their confirmation is the minuses thrown to you =)

[yushch]

Listen, you again sincerely think that you communicate with idiots ???
Even the videos provided show that the equipment is in smoke. No KAZ or Arena completely destroys a rocket, they destroy it. Therefore, there would be traces on the equipment and your army would not be tempted to show the excellent operation of this system.
All your brethren take advantage of the fact that the information on the losses of technology is classified, which allows you to put it mildly to write victorious reports here.

[atalef]

Quote: yushch

Listen, you again sincerely think that you are communicating with idiots ??

There are individuals

Quote: yushch

Even in the videos provided, it’s clear that the equipment is in smoke. No KAZ or Arena completely destroys a rocket, they destroy it

Destroy and destroy - things are different in your opinion.
Back to the answer to your first question

Quote: yushch

Therefore, traces on the technique will be

Well. Yes, if you get hit by fragments of a rocket (weighing 12-14 kg with warheads), and even previously destroyed (shot down) by a 70 ton tank, then of course there will be not only traces - the tank will be simply unrecognizably mutilated

Quote: yushch

All your brethren take advantage of the fact that information on the loss of technology is classified

Since when ?

Quote: yushch

which allows you to put it mildly to write victorious reports here.

Who am I talking to? Let's get back to the answer to your first question?

[yushch]

Your explanations are amateurish. On the merits of the matter, you said almost nothing.
I am not against Israel or Palestine, I am against a one-sided vision of the situation that you and your colleagues are imposing. There is a steady feeling that what you say is an axiom. And who doubts or begins to develop a discussion that is objectionable to you, is either recorded in an emergency or insulted. So do not communicate.

[padded jacket]

Have you come up with?
Or Israeli propaganda prompted?

[Professor]

Quote: Dart_Veyder

How many such videos have seen, all do not show the "remains" of armored vehicles, but only smoke from the so-called "hit", I wonder why))

As they say, guess three times. When the equipment is in the trash, they quickly distribute these pictures around the world. And here they are proud that they fired on armored vehicles, but if they hit, they are already national heroes, regardless of the results.

[Dart_Veyder]

It seems that in Hebrew there are no rhetorical questions.

[Shustov]

As an option for the transport of dangerous goods - ammunition, fuel is good, the shots from Afghanistan always pop up in my memory - the skeletons of burnt tezeshesk along the edges of the roads, how many soldiers drove there died?

[andj61]

Interestingly, what about their security? Coded Signal Management? Is it possible to take control or is this possibility ruled out initially? How will this drone work in conditions of using electronic warfare equipment? Is its operation possible with real high-tech countermeasures?
I understand that Israel is opposed by far unequal power, perhaps these things are not incorporated into the design features of drones due to redundancy, but still it would be interesting to find out the answers.
At VO there was somehow infa about the development of our drone, but not a transport one, but a combat one, for guarding strategic objects. Are there any info for comparing drones?

[Armin]

Quote: andj61

Interestingly, what about their security? Coded Signal Management? Is it possible to take control or is this possibility ruled out initially? How will this drone work in conditions of using electronic warfare equipment? Is its operation possible with real high-tech countermeasures?

Right now they are testing. Palestine is the landfill of dreams.

[Stypor23]

Quote: armin

Palestine is the landfill of dreams.

New Russian models of weapons in the hands of the Novorossians would also not be placed in a run-in on the National Guard, ukroarmii and other podpid.osovskikh vchk. And the Jews, even the bulldozer, have unmanned vehicles, which our "Israeli landing" sometimes talks about with admiration.

[Dart_Veyder]

Surely there is at least some stability, otherwise it would be embarrassing to drape from your own bulldozer which FIG will fill up.

[Professor]

Quote: andj61

interesting, but what about security? Coded Signal Management? Is it possible to take control or is this possibility ruled out initially? How will this drone work in conditions of using electronic warfare equipment? Is its operation possible with real high-tech countermeasures?

It is impossible to drown out the whole broadcast, it is impossible even to theoretically break into the encrypted communication channel, but to take control is generally not from the field of science fiction. Suppose that the terrorists seized the control point and drove this APC to themselves. They will eat all dry rations and capture ammunition for the M-16 when they themselves use Kalash?

[bmv04636]

white noise does that say anything to you

[Professor]

Quote: bmv04636

white noise does that say anything to you

Do the laws of physics tell you anything? I am generally silent about elementary logic. continue to "use" nuclear weapons to suppress communications.

[iConst]

Quote: professor

it’s impossible even theoretically to break into an encrypted communication channel, but to take control is generally not from the field of science fiction.

Crack encrypted channel just the same theoretically possible. Encryption is a reversible mathematical function. So you can pick up the key.

There is no concept of "unbreakable" in encryption. There is a concept of sustainability. Those. the expectation that when the data is decrypted, they will already lose their relevance or the cost of hacking will be incomparable with the benefits derived from this.

Only hash - "salt" can be non-decrypted. But this is an irreversible function - it is even theoretically impossible to recover data. Passwords on sites are stored exactly hashed, in the event that if they are stolen, it will be impossible to use.

[Professor]

Quote: iConst

it’s theoretically possible to break an encrypted channel. Encryption is a reversible mathematical function. So you can pick up the key.

No. A pseudo random sequence of numbers is repeated once every 100 years. You need thousands of years to find the key.
Here is the encryption of the Second World War. Nobody has decoded it yet.

[iConst]

Quote: professor

No. A pseudo random sequence of numbers is repeated once every 100 years.

Do not utter stupidity of a universal scale. Judging by the categorization, you have a vague or amateurish concept of crypto protection. So it’s better not to continue.

[Professor]

Quote: iConst

Do not utter stupidity of a universal scale. Judging by the categorization, you have a vague or amateurish concept of crypto protection. So better don't go on

Not vague and not amateurish. In HRFD, a pseudo random sequence of numbers is repeated once every 100 years. (I can throw the link). How will you pick up a key?
Have you heard about the random number generator? I myself did this at the university. It never repeats a sequence of numbers.
The story with the picture is generally wonderful. The encryption was found several years ago (EMNIP in the dovecote). They could not decrypt.

[iConst]

Quote: professor

Quote: iConst

Do not utter stupidity of a universal scale. Judging by the categorization, you have a vague or amateurish concept of crypto protection. So better don't go on

Not vague and not amateurish. In HRFD, a pseudo random sequence of numbers is repeated once every 100 years. (I can throw the link). How will you pick up a key?
Have you heard about the random number generator? I myself did this at the university. It never repeats a sequence of numbers.
The story with the picture is generally wonderful. The encryption was found several years ago (EMNIP in the dovecote). They could not decrypt.

Well, you know, no offense. I don't want to waste time.
Let's start with the fact that I spoke about data encryption. Dot. You begin to weave in the frequency hopper here.
Do you know about a seven-level data transfer model?
The radio channel is not directly related to data encryption. This is Level 1 - channel.

Encryption is usually level 7. They do not interact in any way. Only serve a common purpose.

The task of channel interception is a separate task and has no relation to the possibility of decrypting data.

So do not interfere with the warm with the soft. And you yourself know what happens.
I do not want to answer more amateurish questions. And then also a runny nose of the decoder you will fly here.

PS: I was impressed about the university - I'm in a knockout

[Professor]

Quote: iConst

So do not interfere with the warm with the soft. And you yourself know what happens.

Dear,
It's about

Coded Signal Management? Is it possible to take control or is this possibility ruled out initially? How will this drone work in conditions of using electronic warfare equipment? Is its operation possible with real high-tech countermeasures?

On the shelves:
1. Impossible to drown out all broadcast- there is simply not enough power, and if it were enough, they would drown themselves.
2. Hacking an encrypted communication channel is not possible- even Russia and China could not hack a simple commercial Skype. Here is the practice, and everything else is theory. I will not even talk about the value of the hacked in a year !!! encrypted communication channel between the battalion commander and the brigade commander.
3. Impossible to take control- Protocols of military equipment control are on the Internet and are waiting for you.

"Nonsense of a universal scale" such as "A pseudo random sequence of numbers repeats once every 100 years" do not cause indignation in you?

[iConst]

No less respected professor (ambitious!), You are my reinforced concrete!
I don’t know what you have gone where there - I spoke absolutely clearly on a specific issue. You pulled into a dispute a bunch of crap.
I don’t want to repeat myself - re-read it yourself.

About "shelves" - you continue to anneal categorically. No comments!

Regarding the "indignations" - I also do not (and did not have) "indignations" about the flying saucers of aliens, the migration of lemmings, the prayers of Buddhist monks ... just to list everything.

[Professor]

Thanks for the detailed, detailed answer.
I learned a lot, became smarter, and most importantly: Now I know exactly how "vulnerable" the drone control channels are.

[smoker]

Quote: andj61

How will this drone work in conditions of using electronic warfare equipment?

So I would like to touch on this issue.
IMHO, the most vulnerable place in such things is the radio control channel. EW jammed by means ... And that's all, more armored personnel carriers are uncontrollable.
I think, as long as the AI ​​is not installed on them, there will be little sense in real use in non-local conflicts with such machines. It is another matter when the goal, direction and everything was laid down in advance - then an independent journey to the goal with analysis and taking into account external factors, destroying the target and returning to base.

[Professor]

Quote: smoker

Means electronic jamming ...

No, it's not jammed.
Interference immunity of communication systems with pseudo-random tuning of the operating frequency: Monograph.

[bmv04636]

a vigorous explosion and communication disappeared right professor

[dzau]

Wunderwaffe for intimidating the Papuans.

If the Papuans have the simplest means, electronic warfare turns into useless trash. In the presence of "difficult" turns into a gift for the Papuans.

I'm afraid when the time comes for real databases (and it will come), the rate of knocking out of armored vehicles will be comparable to that observed in SE. And this means that the Jewish comrades will soon have to descend to a child prodigy such as tin-lined trucks and popular jihadmobiles.

The surviving M113 in such conditions will be seen as a gift from heaven. About the notorious saving of man-hours and paranoid fear for the life of the crew - up to its replacement with automation - in such circumstances, you will have to quickly forget.

[psiho117]

Quote: dzau

when the time comes for real databases (and it will come),

and why would it? do not enlighten?
The past 40 years are not "real" databases for you?

[dzau]

Quote: psiho117

The past 40 years are not "real" databases for you?

For 40 years it was not "BD", but, excuse the frankness, genocide. Compare the map of the Palestinian territory that way in 1915 and 2006: up to 90% of its own territory by the indigenous population was lost (it itself, of course, peacefully and fluffily incarnated without the intervention of Jews), at the moment there are Jewish settlements on this territory.

The remnants of the indigenous - driven into small enclaves - actually reservations where they are completely open - are blocked and regularly bombarded by the regular Israeli army.

Here are such shellings and further hammering of the common population in the cave age, do you compare with the database?

The databases will begin when the Amer’s roof is deflated (dispute what’s bad with the economy?), And the neighboring countries of the region dare finally resist the bestial treatment of their co-religionists.

Perhaps as quietly and behind the scenes as the Russian Federation does in SE.

That's when we will all see "DB" and not today's parody. And, I think, help will be provided, incl. and from Moscow.

[Tourist Breakfast]

If the Papuans have the simplest means, electronic warfare turns into useless trash. In the presence of "difficult" turns into a gift for the Papuans.

Even the Papuans will not use electronic warfare in order to drown out the control channel of a vehicle with stew. For EW on the battlefield, there are more important tasks.

[dzau]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

Even the Papuans will not use electronic warfare in order to drown out the control channel of a vehicle with stew. For EW on the battlefield, there are more important tasks.

In order to burn (or even get at your disposal) a unit of armored vehicles without risk, noise and heaps of body movements - they will use it, do not hesitate. Just the Papuans.

"Papuans" on the SE over there an ordinary armored personnel carrier, quite "manned", drove with a chainsaw - to squeeze out intact - and quite successfully "drove".

[STALGRAD76]

In any case, such products will be useful in our units, and there will be tasks for drones regardless of the enemy’s equipment.

[bmv04636]

We have a very good radio-controlled toy, on a smaller one the general has he plays pentball with her.
While there is no artificial intelligence, all this is easily incapacitated by jammers which all become smaller and therefore cheaper.

[DanG73]

I think that after the undermining of M113, in which 6 infantrymen died, firstly, they would resume purchases of the BTR Namer. Secondly, knowing from experience how the IDF works, almost nothing of the technology is thrown away.
Israel has a lot of experience in modernization. We have thousands of these machines in the army. In my opinion, if the technical potential allows you to make this car unmanned and it’s cheaper than letting it go, because it’s already impossible to strengthen the car more than now, then this is the solution to the problem. Moreover, if an armored personnel carrier performs the functions of transportation, there is no need to substitute soldiers' mines under fire.
As for the communication channels - while in the Gaza Strip there is no equipment capable of intercepting or interfering, there is no need to have a conversation. Such problems in this case will be solved as they become available. In the meantime, if there is an opportunity to save money, there is no need to let money down the drain.

[padded jacket]

You can use it in the rear of your troops, but on the territory controlled by the enemy, it will be just a rich prize for its sabotage groups.

[DanG73]

Quote: quilted jacket

You can use it in the rear of your troops, but on the territory controlled by the enemy, it will be just a rich prize for its sabotage groups.

On each armored personnel carrier they will put a self-destructing device. If not for us, not for others. At the same time, he eliminates a couple of bearded men with himself.

[atalef]

Quote: DanG73

On each armored personnel carrier they will put a self-destructing device. If not for us, not for others. At the same time, he eliminates a couple of bearded men with himself.

In the subject

In the north of Gaza on Wednesday, August 13, locals discovered an unexploded Israeli rocket.

When trying to neutralize it, the rocket exploded. As a result, five Hamas members and an Italian journalist were killed (some sources report six dead) who took part in mine clearance. Six more people were injured.

Among those killed, the head of the sapper police department of the northern district of the Gaza Strip

[DanG73]

Quote: atalef

When trying to neutralize it, the rocket exploded. As a result, five Hamas members and an Italian journalist were killed

They simply did not explain to them in childhood - one should not touch someone else's.
P.S
I feel sorry for the journalist

[Stypor23]

Quote: DanG73

I feel sorry for the journalist

OH-oh-oh-oh-oh, so she did among them?

[padded jacket]

Well, this is only once, then they will simply be shot with impunity, and the poor fighters will be left without cartridges and toilet paper.

[Shustov]

Again, for short distances, as well as when wiring columns (like a cargo conveyor) it is possible and stupidly over the cable, he is not afraid of any interference.

[andj61]

Quote: Shustov

Again, for short distances, as well as when wiring columns (like a cargo conveyor) it is possible and stupidly over the cable, he is not afraid of any interference.

And accidental cable breakage, fire impact on it, winding onto the tracks of a car coming from behind, etc.?
And that's it - the transporter is dead? Better on the radio channel, so at least there are no problems.

[padded jacket]

And how are you without English technology and weapons
Goodbye radio-controlled M113
Britain will stop selling weapons to Israel for the war with Gaza.
UK business secretary Vince Cable announced that in the event of resumption of hostilities in Gaza, the UK government will freeze licenses for the export of weapons to Israel that could be used in this war.
On the website of the British Ministry of Business, Innovation and Training, it is reported that licenses for the supply of components of radar systems, spare parts for military aircraft and tanks to Israel will be frozen.
http://news.israelinfo.co.il/politics/52661
Urgently beg forgiveness from Gaza citizens

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

And how are you without English technology and weapons

70 million bucks is what they sell to us
We’ll manage without them

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

And how are you without English technology and weapons

70 million bucks is what they sell to us
We’ll manage without them

[Dart_Veyder]

No citizens, no war, there are radars!

[Dart_Veyder]

No citizens, no war, there are radars!

[JonnyT]

The geographical position of Israel and the specifics of warfare are pushing engineers to create unmanned vehicles, and rightly so. Indeed, the effectiveness of such funds is high enough for the region and the type of hostilities. But in the realities of the global conflict, I'm afraid these developments will be forgotten due to their high cost and the complexity of their application and maintenance. Unmanned vehicles can find their niche primarily in organizing the defense of objects of high importance, such as airports, warehouses, rocket mines, etc. In a dynamically changing environment - offensive, retreat, maneuver, as well as with a large distance of movement, this technique is more likely to be a burden than an aid in the performance of a combat mission

[Professor]

Quote: JonnyT

But in the realities of the global conflict, I'm afraid these developments will be forgotten due to their high cost and complexity of application, maintenance

Quite the opposite. A set of remaking any vehicle into an unmanned one costs a penny compared to losing a driver.

PS
And now it’s being rebuilt into an unmanned bulldozer and with a warning system (protection?) From a missile attack.

[padded jacket]

Superweapon for the demolition of the homes of unfortunate residents of Gaza.

[Professor]

Quote: quilted jacket

Superweapon for the demolition of the homes of unfortunate residents of Gaza.

I can’t understand one thing. Why is such a sofa protector of the Arabs still not in Gaza (scary )? Take an example from Elena Gromova.

[padded jacket]

But it’s strange for me why you are not defending your homeland, but is everything here on the site?
Forward Israel is in danger!

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

But it’s strange for me why you are not defending your homeland, but is everything here on the site?
Forward Israel is in danger!

I’m looking at you at all, drink some water, let it go.

[padded jacket]

Come on, don’t worry about me, so I feel great.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: quilted jacket

But it’s strange for me why you’re not defending your homeland,

And why are you here on the site, and not in the Gaza Strip or not in New Russia?

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: quilted jacket

But it’s strange for me why you’re not defending your homeland,

And why are you here on the site, and not in the Gaza Strip or not in New Russia?

Hi Sanya
How why ? In the Gaza Strip, it is hot in a quilted jacket, and in Novorossia they can kill.
Who then will reveal the crimes of the Zionists in VO.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

How why ? In the Gaza Strip, it is hot in a quilted jacket, and in Novorossia they can kill.

I agree about Novorossiya, but not about the Sector. The next day, as he arrives in the sector to help like-minded people, a video will be posted on YouTube where a Hamas representative holding a knife at the throat of his quilted jacket dictates the terms of his release and the amount of the ransom
Great San

[padded jacket]

Thanks, laughed.

[sleepy]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Alexander Romanov
Quote: quilted jacket
"But it's strange to me why you don't defend your Motherland ..."
"Why are you here on the site, and not in the Gaza Strip
or not in New Russia? "

"Hello San
How why? It's hot in the Gaza Strip in a quilted jacket, but in Novorossia, they can kill. Who then will expose the crimes of the Zionists in VO. "

It is necessary to bring up the topic about Zionism on the website "Military Review"
Jewish Masters.
It would be interesting to know the opinion of not only the American followers of the radical Jewish sect of Chabad, who seized a leading role among the Haredims in the USA, in which the leader of Chabad Menachem Mendel Schneerson
this is Moshiach - mission.
In turn, this mission announced goals and plans - the destruction of the Slavs and Russians, the capture of Khazaria, the elimination of Israel.
Naturally, he didn’t invent it himself, but broadcasts the thoughts and ideas of the Rothschild-Rockefeller Satanists, who promote “light”, “morning star”, “Lucifer Light” through Chabad. Chabad does not hide his affiliation with the Satanists:
http://russ-history.blogspot.ru/2013/04/in-us-govern-satanists.html

And so only quotes about Zionism from the Internet ...

Rabbi Yehoshua Leib Diskin [Yehoshua Leib Diskin],
Rabbi of Brisk, Lithuania, and then Rabbi of Jerusalem (1817-1878).
"The greatest rabbis must gather immediately and excommunicate the Zionists. They must exclude them from the Jewish people,
forbidding their bread, their wine and intermarriage with them. "
(Mara D'ara Yisroel vol. 2 p. 43)

Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum,
Rebbe Satmar, Hungary, later Rabbi of Palestine (1887-1979).
"If we put all the sins of this generation, and all the crimes committed around the world on one side of the scale, and the Zionist state on the other, it would outweigh everything, because it is a poisonous source of the worst desecration, the worst cause of damage in the whole world, and they are the ones who defile the whole world. " (Vayoel Moshe, Introduction, p. 11.)
“Unfortunately, today Zionism is a source of desecration.
Since the creation of the world, there was no such source of filth, may Gd protect us. They killed and led the whole world to apostasy and murder, and led the Jewish people to destruction. "(Chiddushei Torah, Lech Lecha 5716)
"Woe to us! How much blood dripped from the righteous rabbis of the past over [because of?] The Zionists, who have now seized power for themselves! Woe to us, how much pain and how much blood flowed from the truly righteous when they suffered from this organization, knowing what she could become! "
(Chiddushei Torah, Beshalach 5715)
"Those Jews who live in the Land of Israel need Gd's help to escape this group, who are called" Zionists ", but whose real name and essence is heresy and denial of the Torah." (Drashos, Pinchas p. 150).

[Professor]

Quote: quilted jacket

But it’s strange for me why you are not defending your homeland, but is everything here on the site?

We protect. As soon as I receive 8, the number of your favorites on this planet will decrease immediately.

[padded jacket]

Is that you?

[Stypor23]

Quote: professor

As soon as I get 8

You get something for a long time. On the other hand, if a photographer, professor, builder is called, some admirers of Jewish topics will stop coming to kosher news.

[Stypor23]

Quote: professor

I can’t understand one thing. Why is such a sofa protector of the Arabs still not in Gaza (scary)? Take an example from Elena Gromova.

Padded jacket is still young, he does not fuck there You never know, suddenly an Israeli bullet ......... yes. The pit still has to live and live and live.

[Professor]

Quote: Stypor23

You never know, suddenly an Israeli bullet ......... yes. The pit still has to live and live and live.

The fact that he has one place bench press, I have no doubt, but very much in a row he stands up for them.

[Stypor23]

Quote: professor

The fact that he has one place bench press, I have no doubt, but very much in a row he stands up for them.

You’ll laugh, but he said that the Jews, as such, are not his enemies. The political elite of your state categorically does not suit him.

[Professor]

Quote: Stypor23

You’ll laugh, but he said that the Jews, as such, are not his enemies. The political elite of your state categorically does not suit him.

Well then, there is only one option: accept Judaism, repatriate to Israel and change the political elite of the state in the elections. In another way.

[Stypor23]

Quote: professor

and in the elections to change the political elite of the state.

It seems to me that the Israelis with VO will not vote for him.

[sleepy]

Quote: professor

Quote: Stypor23
"You will laugh, but he said that the Jews, as such,
not his enemies. The political elite of your state,
he is categorically not satisfied. "

"Well, then there is only one option: to accept Judaism, to repatriate to Israel and change
the political elite of the state. There is no other way. "

The adoption of Judaism, the repatriation and victory in the elections will not change anything.
One must be born at the right Time in the right Family.
The birthright is much more powerful than the so-called democracy, any of Chabad will say.

From the Internet.
“Not a single president, nor a king, nor a dictator, nor a prime minister dares to criticize either my name or the Bilderberg Club, and they know
that they are puppets of powerful Illuminati working from behind the scenes. "
“Since the establishment of the meetings of the Bilderberg Club back in 1954, my father [William Gerrit Van Dyne], His Royal Highness Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld, Henry Kissinger, decided to organize an event to bring together various representatives from the industry , politics and culture. After the fourth meeting, back in 1958, members of the Bilderberg Club created the terms of the Treaty of Rome. As a result, it was signed and the European Community was born with 6 members.
Today, the European Community includes 28 countries.
And today Bilderbergs give advice to members of 134 states. ”

In addition, there is no need to travel to the United States from the Russian Federation, as US Jews are going to Russia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjZXUaV4p8Q

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sleepy

Quote: professor

Quote: Stypor23
"You will laugh, but he said that the Jews, as such,
not his enemies. The political elite of your state,
he is categorically not satisfied. "

"Well, then there is only one option: to accept Judaism, to repatriate to Israel and change
the political elite of the state. There is no other way. "

The adoption of Judaism, the repatriation and victory in the elections will not change anything.
One must be born at the right Time in the right Family.
The birthright is much more powerful than the so-called democracy, any of Chabad will say.

From the Internet.
“Not a single president, nor a king, nor a dictator, nor a prime minister dares to criticize either my name or the Bilderberg Club, and they know
that they are puppets of powerful Illuminati working from behind the scenes. "
“Since the establishment of the meetings of the Bilderberg Club back in 1954, my father [William Gerrit Van Dyne], His Royal Highness Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld, Henry Kissinger, decided to organize an event to bring together various representatives from the industry , politics and culture. After the fourth meeting, back in 1958, members of the Bilderberg Club created the terms of the Treaty of Rome. As a result, it was signed and the European Community was born with 6 members.
Today, the European Community includes 28 countries.
And today Bilderbergs give advice to members of 134 states. ”

In addition, there is no need to travel to the United States from the Russian Federation, as US Jews are going to Russia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjZXUaV4p8Q

Do I have one feeling that VO is slipping into yellowness? It seems that there are thematic forums for marginals, lovers of conspiracy theory, magic, astrology and other obscurantism.

[Stypor23]

Quote: And Us Rat

It seems that there are thematic forums for marginals, lovers of conspiracy theory, magic, astrology and other obscurantism.

Eva kak.Znachit collapsed in incomprehensible what and went to fight in a mountainous and wooded area in southern Lebanon.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Stypor23

Quote: And Us Rat

It seems that there are thematic forums for marginals, lovers of conspiracy theory, magic, astrology and other obscurantism.

Eva kak.Znachit collapsed in incomprehensible what and went to fight in a mountainous and wooded area in southern Lebanon.

I too value my time and nerve cells to spend them on outright idiocy.

[Stypor23]

Quote: And Us Rat

I too value my time and nerve cells to spend them on outright idiocy.

And idiocy is, as I understand it, again allegations about the existence of a Zionite conspiracy.

[sleepy]

Quote: And Us Rat

"I have one feeling that VO is slipping into yellowness? It seems that there are thematic forums for outcasts, fans of conspiracy theory, magic, astrology and other obscurantism."

On the website "Voennoye Obozreniye" they discuss not only military equipment, tactical and technical data of military equipment, interaction of combat arms, etc., etc.
The VO website discusses leaders and politics, conspiracy theories and Satanists ...
Because it’s easier to press the keyboard buttons while sitting on the sofa in front of the computer than to press the trigger on the trigger.
But in war there is no time to think about politics, politicians, conspirators. Once.

For example: on the night of June 06, 1982, the 20-year-old Israeli tankman Shmuel Maoz was raised on alert.
The crew was ordered to move to the North. After a couple of hours, their tank crossed the border of Israel. Shmuel the gunner, Assi commander, Herzl loading and Yigal mechanic-driver of the tank.
An Israeli tank under the command of four young soldiers should provide fire cover for a small landing assault squad. Their task is to clean the enemy city, which had previously been hit by an air strike. But a simple, at first glance, mission very soon turns into a real hell.
Right before the eyes of tankers actually walled up in an armored car, their comrades die one by one. Having long lost control of the situation and obeying only the instinct of self-preservation, the tankers are desperately trying not to lose themselves, finding themselves in the midst of a terrible and incomprehensible massacre ...
Shmuel heard that a war was going on in Lebanon for a long time, but who started it and for what purposes he did not know, he did not know the answer to another question - what are Israeli tankers doing in Lebanon.
Shmuel was just a soldier, and the soldiers, according to his convictions, should not ask unnecessary questions.
During the war, especially not to questions ...
However, the dramatic background of this war is difficult to explain even to professional historians, except in the movies?

[sleepy]

Autobiographical film "Lebanon" by Israeli director Shmuel Maoz.

The film and its script is based on the personal story of the director himself, after 20 years who has found the strength to re-realize and survive the trauma of the first Lebanon war. In order for the artists to feel like real tankers in a tank, the director decided on an experiment: each of the guys was locked for 2 hours in a refrigerator with a temperature of 45 degrees Celsius, and then they began to knock on its roof, creating the effect of shells bursting from the outside. After that, the director did not have to explain to the artists what was happening during the battle in the tank.
The action of the picture takes place during the Lebanon war in 1982 and takes place in the inner space of the tank, where the outside world can only be seen from the gun’s sight.
“I would like to hope that my film will make viewers think about who we are,” said the director. At the awards ceremony, Maoz announced that he was dedicating the award to all who, like himself, "returned from the war safe and sound, but with a soul wounded forever."

Film "Lebanon".
http://kinomusorka.ru/directors-director-samuel-maoz-films-film-lebanon-2009-3.h
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The war in Lebanon is depicted as a prison and the tank as a solitary cell and although the crew consists of four fighters, each suffers from its own state of "soul isolation." The image of armored equipment symbolizes the "tightness of a person in war" in principle, and the army here destroys freedom of choice, canceling human will by orders. A soldier, participating in hostilities, no longer looks at the war from the outside, he himself is war! But what does the soldier see from his trench?

Commander - he has a special commander’s turret, which can be rotated 360 degrees regardless of the rotation of the main tower, which means the commander has the largest view.
But does the commander see the whole war?
Next shooter - he sees in the war only in a narrow sector of the sight. True, the shooter can rotate the tower, which means he can also see the battlefield 360 degrees. On the other hand. But the task of the tank commander is to find and determine targets, and the shooter only points the gun at the target and destroys it.
It turns out that the gunner sees only what the commander measured him.
Driver mechanic. For him, the whole war takes place in a rather narrow sector of the review - he sees only what is located directly in front of the tank, no more.
And finally, the fourth member of the tank crew - loader. By and large - war for him (at the height of the battle) is just a monotonous job of transferring shells from racks to a cannon. Perhaps he does not even have time to look into the viewing instruments - for him, war is heavy shells, powder gases and the deafening sound of a shot.
What does he see in the war?
Each wages his own little war, which is not at all like the war waged by the general, or of which the historian speaks. However, a small soldier’s war is no less real than a general’s or civilian’s war. Indeed, in a small soldier’s war, the price of victory is his life and the life of his colleagues.
A tank becomes a symbol of this little war and a parallel suggests itself: a soldier sees and knows about a big war as much as every tank crew member sees a tank battle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMRD3z_mTqI

[atalef]

Quote: Stypor23

. The political elite of your state categorically does not suit him.

All Netenyahu clearly lose sleep and peace. It turns out that Vatnik is in personal enemies.
Only the whole paradox is that Vatnik knows who Netanyahu is, but Netanyahu does not even know about the existence of Vatnik.
I understand, it's a shame.

[Stypor23]

Quote: atalef

I understand, it's a shame.

Ahhhhh, the photographer got in touch. . It doesn’t matter, your prime minister will understand what’s happening, Vatnik will put his people in the Knesset.

[atalef]

Quote: Stypor23

Ahhhhh, the photographer got in touch

What are we smoking?

[Stypor23]

Quote: atalef

What are we smoking?

Just ordinary cigarettes. And as for the photographer, think about it, the head is not just for what there is.

[bmv04636]

And so you can

[JonnyT]

Undoubtedly, human life is the highest value. I can not accurately judge the process of conversion into unmanned vehicles, but I think that it is much faster to prepare Kolya, who graduated from vocational school with a degree in "car mechanic", to give him a machine gun and a map with a route, than to prepare a team of operators and service personnel for a drone (UAV) ... After all, the difference in the organization of the movement of an armored personnel carrier, a truck and a UAV is significant in terms of complexity. And how will the UUVs behave in the area of ​​radiation contamination, in the case of using EMP means? Yes, and it's one thing to send a cargo to a remote post in Gaza, well, let's say for 5 km, and another to make a 300 km march from Moscow to Tula

[Professor]

You're wrong. Many Kohl to prepare is not easy and not cheap. Remaking equipment into unmanned vehicles costs orders of magnitude less. And the process itself has already been debugged. They drive it not only 5 km to Gaza, but also hundreds of km along the border with Lebanon.
MAFAT presents new unmanned systems

[padded jacket]

Quote: atalef

Quote: quilted jacket

And how are you without English technology and weapons

70 million bucks is what they sell to us
We’ll manage without them

Well, after all, these technologies are from England, they will not forbid you to deliver :
It is emphasized that the freezing will not affect the components used in the Iron Dome missile defense system, as well as equipment for Israeli industry that manufactures products for export.
http://news.israelinfo.co.il/politics/52661

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, these technologies from England will not be banned for you to supply: It is emphasized that the freezing will not affect the components used in the Iron Dome missile defense system, as well as equipment for Israeli industry producing products for export. http://news.israelinfo.co.il/politics/52661

Yes, do not give a damn about England (especially since no one has yet forbidden, and will not forbid)
We sell weapons for 3-4 billion a year. We’ll find a replacement for 70 million.
Nothing supernatural that in Israel could not have done England does not produce.
In fact, the bulk of these 70 million is the products of subsidiaries of the Israeli military-industrial complex located in England
Like UAV engines, well, let’s take it from Brazil (there’s another enterprise (Israeli) that produces engines)

[padded jacket]

There is not much about engines for drones :
Nevertheless, the components of the British development were used in the production of F-16 fighter jets, as well as Apache attack helicopters, which Israel purchased from American companies. British components were also used in the manufacture of weapons for the Saar project corvettes, as well as tanks involved in the conflict.
http://lenta.ru/news/2009/04/22/supply/
It’s not quite right with your brave answer.

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

There is not much about engines for drones :
Nevertheless, the components of the British development were used in the production of F-16 fighter jets, as well as Apache attack helicopters, which Israel purchased from American companies. British components were also used in the manufacture of weapons for the Saar project corvettes, as well as tanks involved in the conflict.
http://lenta.ru/news/2009/04/22/supply/
It’s not quite right with your brave answer.

It fits very well. Us their sanctions (if they still will), like an elephant grain.
Israel froze (under state pressure) UAV sales to Russia (by almost 1.5 billion) - how can you handle this?

[padded jacket]

It's just fine why do we need your UAVs, it could only be bought by Serdyukov.
Looks like a big bribe received.

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

It's just fine why do we need your UAVs, it could only be bought by Serdyukov.
Looks like a big bribe received.

Well, you see how good it is, you do not need UAVs, we have spare parts from England.

[padded jacket]

Well, you not only sell UAVs to us, too, so sanctions from the UK can affect the export of your equipment.

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, you not only sell UAVs to us, too, so sanctions from the UK can affect the export of your equipment.

It will not be able, and no one has yet refused to import our defense industry (including England)

[padded jacket]

Quote: atalef

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, you not only sell UAVs to us, too, so sanctions from the UK can affect the export of your equipment.

It will not be able, and no one has yet refused to import our defense industry (including England)

Of course of course By the way, I forget to ask how there Colombia and Singapore have already received the Merkava?
Probably not, the line is big

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

Of course, of course, By the way, I forget to ask how there Colombia and Singapore have already received the Merkava?

received.

[padded jacket]

Please details.
I will wait with impatience.

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

Please details.
I will wait with impatience.

Look for the Colombian and Singaporean press.

[padded jacket]

It is clear, that is, there is no confirmation.

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

It is clear, that is, there is no confirmation.

if you didn’t find it doesn’t mean that it’s not true

[padded jacket]

C'mon, don’t strain so I already understood everything

[Stypor23]

Quote: quilted jacket

I will wait with impatience.

There is no need to wait. In principle, it would be good to have such a high-tech ally for Russia. Let's face it. See how their soldiers and officers are provided in everyday life and in the service, and how we do. I am generally silent about the computerization of the army. And most importantly, the authority, respect and love of the army in the eyes of the population, that’s the most important thing. Unfortunately, these concepts are not relevant for us in Soviet times.
Afterword.
To have, it was meant, not to use as an object of lustful lust.

[bmv04636]

IMR Klin-1 with remote control worked in Chernobyl

[padded jacket]

I completely disagree, at least half of their equipment is either various alterations of Western equipment and its components or direct purchases of finished products. Only in recent decades have they released something that the percentage of Western technology is not known there.

[Stypor23]

Quote: quilted jacket

I completely disagree, at least half of their equipment is either various alterations of Western equipment and its components or direct purchases of finished products. Only in recent decades have they released something that the percentage of Western technology is not known there.

And do not care, the main thing is that the life of a soldier is more expensive than any tricked out toy.

[padded jacket]

And what did you admire that populism, where all the names of the dead soldiers are called by the Israelis?
And the fact that these unfortunate Israeli military and civilians in Gaza died in vain, is this normal?
After all, in 2-3 years this massacre will begin again.
All this is beneficial only to the Israeli elite that raises money and that's it.

[Stypor23]

We have a duck, the elite was no better 20 years ago. How many boys and civilians, Eltsins, Dudaevs and other Rooks were killed in Chechnya. This massacre in BV will never end. Here you can survive as much as you like. The only thing if the EGI is interested in peace on its borders is that it is necessary to work directly with the civilian population of Gaza. To bribe, to please, to kiss anything, you see then the Gazovites themselves will kill the Ters.

[padded jacket]

Please read that do not be about the 90s in our country.
In particular, how and for what reasons the USSR collapsed.
And then some kind of a bit naive idea of ​​those years.

[Stypor23]

I’ll read it again, if you insist. But I grew up at that time, I was completely sucks. Right now, too, not sugar, but even better. What a naive thing
, handed over, sold, betrayed to Russia all and sundry. By the way, nobody helped us out of shit. And right now, regardless of sanctions, many want to be friends with the Russian Federation.

[padded jacket]

Just don't read resources like Wikipedia

[Stypor23]

Well, you, the Jewish resource is not a priority source of information for me.

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

And what did you admire that populism, where all the names of the dead soldiers are called by the Israelis?

no, but they don’t hide what, therefore, our armies believe

Quote: quilted jacket

And the fact that these unfortunate Israeli military and civilians in Gaza died in vain is normal.

our soldiers did not die in vain. (Well, of course, with the exception of those who died from minimal shelling, in our territory) this could have been avoided

Quote: quilted jacket

After all, in 2-3 years this massacre will begin again.

OK. these are the realities of the Middle East. We have been fighting for this land throughout history.

Quote: quilted jacket

All this is beneficial only to the Israeli elite that raises money and that's it.

Stupidity. The people didn’t make a finger, understands what’s a little better than you.

[padded jacket]

Of course of course will I argue with you.
Without a doubt, the people you have done with your finger.
Is this your question?

[padded jacket]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Stypor23

. The political elite of your state categorically does not suit him.

All Netenyahu clearly lose sleep and peace. It turns out that Vatnik is in personal enemies.
Only the whole paradox is that Vatnik knows who Netanyahu is, but Netanyahu does not even know about the existence of Vatnik.
I understand, it's a shame.

I honestly do not care who will send you to death

[atalef]

Quote: quilted jacket

I honestly do not care who will send you to death

Well then, be afraid.

[padded jacket]

So I'm always calm
By the way, a man created a radio-controlled machine practically on his knees
Looks like your armored car which rides along the fence

[Stypor23]

Quote: quilted jacket

By the way, a man created a radio-controlled machine practically on his knees

Well done, what can I say. The brain and hands are made fine. A good video, I put +, otherwise you will not get anything from you, except for horror films.

[psiho117]

damn, well, why every second discussion on the VO is slipping into yuda-srach?

they’ve already been fooled by this policy in every topic, the site is increasingly descending to the level of some Censor

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: psiho117

damn, well, why every second discussion on the VO is slipping into yuda-srach?

they’ve already been fooled by this policy in every topic, the site is increasingly descending to the level of some Censor

You are wrong, all the same .. It's just that people are trying to understand why ...! (one can do everything ... and all support and are silent ..))) You are my minus (in profile) ..

[sleepy]

Quote: MIKHAN

Quote: psiho117
"... well, why does every second discussion on VO slide into ... they have already been pissed off with this policy in every topic,
does the site sink more and more to the level of some Censor? "

"You are wrong all the same .. It's just that people are trying to understand.
Why...! (one can do everything ... and all support and keep silent ..))) "

For example, why can Israel send troops to Lebanon
under the pretext of fighting terrorists,
but the Russian Federation cannot even send humanitarian aid to Ukraine.
... But because such a policy, politics, nothing but politics.
But if it’s about someone’s financial affairs, it’s a commercial secret.
We return to politics, since about the secret it is impossible.
And they send us ... to work - to cut, to whiten, to prick,
just do not think, do not reason, do not discuss.

[gregor6549]

I see no reason for the hype. It’s a completely masterful approach. Use old armored personnel carriers to transport goods in areas where the crews of these armored personnel carriers would be at risk due to the mismatch of the protection level of armored personnel carriers with modern requirements. It fits into the IDF’s concept to protect the life of every soldier as much as possible. And for the implementation of this concept, Israel has all the necessary technology and production base. Plus, there is a fairly balanced use of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles in all types of armed forces.