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Erdogan - Putin: a union of two against all

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After winning the presidential election of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, some experts suggested that the day was not far off when Russian-Turkish relations would rise to the level of allies. The fact is that both the president of Russia Putin and the barely elected president of Turkey Erdogan are people of the same generation and both have made a dizzying political career in their own countries, while creating each of them a stable vertical of state power. In addition, they are bound by friendly relationships of trust. The emergence of new geopolitical realities in the Middle East and European directions has even more actualized the significance of relations between Ankara and Moscow. Against the background of the growing dynamics of geopolitical processes in the Middle East, Russian-Turkish relations are of increasing interest in everything.

Of course, conflicting moments historical the events that took place between Tsarist Russia and Ottoman Turkey have not been forgotten. But humanity has entered a new stage, when changes are observed even in the content of fundamental geopolitical problems. So, recently, cooperation between Ankara and Moscow has been developing even more intensively.

However, it is a delusion to think that everything is smooth here. With the change in the center of gravity of global geopolitics towards the East, the role of Turkey and Russia has risen to a new level. Each of these countries has its own role in world geopolitics. After the collapse of the USSR, Russia again claims the status of a superpower. Turkey is also active in becoming a globally influential regional leader. The main thing, perhaps, that unites the Turkish and Russian civilizations, is that they belong neither to the East, nor to the West, and such character of identity is no longer observed in any of the nations of the world. Due to their geographical position, the Russians were in constant interaction with Eastern and Western societies.

This picture is very succinctly reflected in the words of the co-chairman of the Turkish-Russian Public Forum, Konstantin Kosachev: “If in Asia you feel like a European, and in Europe you are Asian, then you are Russian.”

From the point of view of ethnocultural codes, the northern and eastern peoples, and especially those of Turkic origin, had a significant impact on the Russians, but in the field of religion and popular culture they were significantly influenced by the West. And the Turks, moving from the steppes of Asia to the West, during the period of the Ottoman Empire, extended their borders and influence right up to Europe and for centuries lived side by side with the West.

Currently, Turkey maintains its incomparable geopolitical position, linking the Asian and European continents through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits. The Turkish ethnos, having Eastern origin, can be defined as a social phenomenon, which has undergone major changes due to the long-term interaction with Western civilization.

Erdogan - Putin: a union of two against all


Distinguishes the Turks and Russians from the inhabitants of the West primarily the mentality. This is due to the fact that the Turks and Russians have their own state tradition, political and managerial culture (which was discussed above), as well as a collectivist social structure. An indisputable role in this is also played by the fact that the West perceives the Turks and Russians as “alien”, tries to clearly isolate Turkish and Russian society from their own civilization, and even shows some contempt. In this regard, the Turkish and Russian peoples have a certain socio-psychological discomfort in relation to the West.

Thus, uniquely embodying the Eurasian identity from a civilizational point of view, the Turks and Russians, in fact, are ethnically "related communities", as the famous Russian poet Pushkin said so: "Scrape the Russian, you will find a Tatar". Turkish-Russian rapprochement at the level of societies is of no small importance not only for two peoples, but at the same time for the development of eastern societies.

For a long time, Turkish and Russian peoples have suffered from many common problems. Turkey and Russia have a common destiny connected with the construction of a joint future of the East in terms of the social, economic and cultural development of this part of the globe.

Now it is difficult to say anything about how much all these arguments reflect realities. An objective assessment of them will give time. But it is already clear that the relations between Ankara and Moscow will gradually acquire a global scale. According to experts, the Kremlin is interested in strategic cooperation with Turkey. This is explained by the fact that Moscow globally intends to increase its geopolitical influence. At the same time we should not forget about another important factor. As you know, for 50 years, as the European Union does not accept Turkey into its ranks. Under various pretexts, he delays the issue. Ankara wants to change the situation.

Against the background of such reflections, talks about Turkey’s intention to join the Customs Union also seem interesting. Apparently, some circles predict Turkey’s entry into Putin’s geopolitical alliance in order to emphasize the attractiveness of this organization. In reality, it is difficult to believe in the desire of Ankara to come forward to the Customs Union. Erdogan actually spoke only about the SCO - the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, although he indirectly spoke about the Customs Union ...
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  1. GRAY
    GRAY 12 August 2014 08: 36
    +14
    The EU plans to negotiate sanctions against Russia with Latin American countries such as Brazil and Chile in an attempt to "dissuade them from participating in the replacement of EU agricultural exports," which Russia has banned for imports. British The Financial Times writes about it.

    As the newspaper reports, Brazil "has allowed about almost a hundred new meat processing plants to immediately begin exporting chicken, beef and pork" to the Russian Federation, and Chile may receive "the main benefits from the Russian embargo on European fish."

    The EU may try to exert pressure through the negotiation process with the South American Common Market, although, admits the publication, "these negotiations, which have lasted 15 years, are mired in difficulties related to market access."
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 12 August 2014 08: 39
      +10
      Let's hope that the rapprochement between Turkey and Russia will happen in the near future, which will benefit both states.
      1. a52333
        a52333 12 August 2014 08: 48
        +10
        Quote: Thought Giant
        rapprochement between Turkey and Russia will happen in the near future, which will benefit both states.

        Satanovsky said well about this yesterday. From the 7 minutes - this is the answer to your post
        [media = http: //www.vesti.ru/only_video.html? vid = 614098]
        No Turkey + RF, no China + RF, there is a one-time coincidence of interests.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 12 August 2014 09: 19
          +7
          So it is for everyone. Even if the coincidence of interests lasts 100 years, by historical standards, this is one-time.
        2. siberalt
          siberalt 12 August 2014 09: 54
          +5
          Like that, conception is also a simultaneous coincidence of interests. laughing
          Wait and see.
      2. Max otto
        Max otto 12 August 2014 09: 48
        +3
        Yes, and Allah give them wisdom and brains for this step. And do not slip into the religious fog at the same time, and the strengthening of religiosity leads to the radicalization and decline of development, judging by the events in the world. Everything should be in moderation.
      3. RusDV
        RusDV 12 August 2014 12: 52
        +2
        In the future, and not close, something may happen. Erdogan has the freedom to maneuver exclusively within the leash on which he is sitting. The whole territory of Turkey is a huge military intelligence base against Russia. I am not against friendship with her, but I must be aware that the GDP cooperates with Ankara so far not for an alliance - God forbid breaking the Turkey-US cord.

        This is not the latest data, but not much has changed. Startle ....
        http://commi.narod.ru/txt/1987/0320.htm
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 12 August 2014 08: 40
      +10
      Quote: GRAY
      The EU plans to negotiate sanctions against Russia with Latin American countries such as Brazil and Chile in an attempt to "dissuade them from participating in the replacement of EU agricultural exports," which Russia has banned for imports.

      laughing This news has already heard and neighing from the heart. So they are imbued with the difficulties of the EU.
    3. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 12 August 2014 08: 47
      +2
      "If in Asia you feel like a European, and in Europe - an Asian, then you are Russian."

      Turks and Russians, in fact, are ethnically “related communities”,

      "Scrape the Russian, you will find a Tatar."

      Against the background of such reflections, talks about Turkey’s intention to join the Customs Union are also interesting.

      In how everything is twisted. The Abama will erase her teeth from hopelessness, he is already called the worst president. Russia rules.
      1. kaa_andrey
        kaa_andrey 12 August 2014 09: 21
        +1
        Scrape the Turk, you will find a Slav !!!!
    4. Wanderer H7
      Wanderer H7 12 August 2014 18: 48
      0
      What friendships?!?! The author-crap overeat chtol? Turkey is a member of NATO, an associate member of the EU (such as Ukraine and Moldova now). Turkey - supported Chubarov and Dzhemilev, Crimean Tatars, and even the terror cells of the Mejlis. More than once, at the slightest cooling (or the pressure of the Americans), the question arose of passing through the channels. What about the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict? We will be obliged to intercede for the Armenians, since they are in the CSTO and the CU and the Eurasian Economic Community (will join soon). And Turkey is the first ally of Azeris. An extremely miserable article, with Turkey you need to keep your eyes open and dose relations.
  2. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 12 August 2014 08: 36
    +3
    Turkey to the Customs Union!
    1. Goga101
      Goga101 12 August 2014 08: 44
      +3
      KAPITANUS - and the Turks themselves, through Nazyrbayev, are organizing this issue, they know for sure that they will never be taken to the EU .... And the trade turnover with the Russian Federation is very decent and is growing at an accelerated pace. The Turks have already received a proposal to leave the dollar in mutual trade, the main thing here is that our "economists" (s) all these Siluanovs and Ulyukaevs do not wither as usual this necessary business request
    2. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 12 August 2014 08: 48
      +6
      Turkey should not be allowed into the Customs Union, it is a dark horse that will stick a knife at any time. Of course, for some participants in the TS, the entry of the Turks would be like a balm for the soul.
    3. GRAY
      GRAY 12 August 2014 08: 56
      +6
      Quote: KAPITANUS
      Turkey to the Customs Union!

      The very possibility of Turkey joining the CU depends on the customs agreements concluded by it with other countries, they will have to either be terminated or revised.
      Otherwise, a hole may arise at the customs, for this very reason, Ukraine was not able to join the Trade Union and the association at the same time (although these stupid people just wanted to smile ).
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 12 August 2014 08: 38
    +5
    Yankes will not let Turkey out of their "friendly" embrace - to lose such a bridgehead?
  4. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 12 August 2014 08: 39
    +2
    In reality, it is difficult to believe in Ankara’s desire to join the Customs Union. Erdogan actually spoke only about the SCO - the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, although he indirectly spoke about the Customs Union ...


    This would significantly change the situation in the brains of a number of politicians.
  5. zao74
    zao74 12 August 2014 08: 39
    +9
    Turkey is a country that owns the Bosphorus, the key to the Black Sea. If they close access to amers, the respect for them will be huge. Then we'll talk about joining the TS.
    1. insafufa
      insafufa 12 August 2014 08: 55
      +3
      Americans against Turks, along with the European Union, have long been pushing Turkey to terminate the Montreux agreement under which it can limit the tonnage of non-Black Sea states because of this, Nato is forced to collect caroblies together on a string and it is difficult for them to form a full-fledged strike force
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 12 August 2014 10: 03
        +1
        I didn’t pass, but someone with the problems of argumentation.

        The fact of the matter is that the United States is not a neighbor for Turkey. They wanted to do the strait for a long time under the auspices of the League of Nations, then the UN (pyndosia means). Yes there was the USSR. Now Russia. And quarreling with neighbors is more expensive. Historically, Russia and the Ottomans were a single metropolis. That, then they are still not accepted in the EU.
      2. Serg7281
        Serg7281 12 August 2014 20: 56
        0
        Turkey alone is not entitled to cancel the Montreux Treaty. She is just one of the countries that signed it and just the chief controller. Although at present this is not so important - control. Everything is visible from space and calculating tonnage is not so difficult
    2. Wanderer H7
      Wanderer H7 12 August 2014 18: 53
      +3
      Quote: zao74
      Turkey is a country that owns the Bosphorus, the key to the Black Sea. If they close access to amers, the respect for them will be huge. Then talk

      Quote: zao74
      Turkey is a country that owns the Bosphorus, the key to the Black Sea. If they close access to amers, the respect for them will be huge. Then talk


      Do you believe in this nonsense ???? TURKEY AT NATO !!!! A long time ago!! This is for us, she can block the aisles, be sound with your head, why the hell is this moronic cheers-patriotism? You should be extremely careful with the Turks, especially considering that Erdogan is leading Turkey to the FUNDAMENTAL ISLAM. Has already built 17000 mosques. In some of their villages there are no schools, but there is a mosque. Allies, yeah.
  6. vitaz
    vitaz 12 August 2014 08: 42
    +4
    For starters, it would be nice to remove military bases from there
  7. Mihail29
    Mihail29 12 August 2014 08: 44
    +1
    An almost unbelievable but very interesting alliance could be made. Turkey is a member of NATO (by the way with the 2nd largest army after the United States), but in the SCO or even cooler in the Customs Union.
  8. Yellow white
    Yellow white 12 August 2014 08: 45
    +2
    The Turks are well aware that rapprochement with Russia will create huge hemorrhoids in relations with NOTO and the EU in particular, so VVR needs to offer something that Erdogan will not be able to refuse ... I hope he has "something" hi
  9. dark_65
    dark_65 12 August 2014 08: 46
    +2
    Yes, Turkey has always been a worthy adversary, what kind of ally will it be? God forbid.
    1. Hawk2014
      Hawk2014 12 August 2014 09: 10
      +1
      Quote: dark_65

      Yes, Turkey has always been a worthy adversary, what kind of ally will it be? God forbid.

      If Tuption was a worthy adversary, then why would the Europeans have to constantly save her? what In 1791, due to the defeats of the Turkish army, the case almost got to the Anglo-Russian war. In 1854, Britain, France and Sardinia had, again because of the defeats of the Turks, to declare war on Russia. In 1878, the case again almost came to the Russo-European war. Otherwise, Turkey would have already lost all its possessions on the Balkan Peninsula.
      1. dark_65
        dark_65 12 August 2014 19: 02
        0
        I’m saying so .. she rowed constantly. but she climbed anew, a fighter laughing
  10. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 12 August 2014 08: 54
    +1
    Turkey will try to sit on two chairs, will continue to rub into confidence in Russia, it receives a lot of benefits from cooperation with Russia and lose this benefit oh, you don’t want to, America is also in ... you won’t send, old friend, better than the new two But this position didn’t lead anyone to good, the choice is Turkey, but you still have to choose.
    1. Hawk2014
      Hawk2014 12 August 2014 10: 08
      +1
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      but you still have to choose.

      Turkey will not have to choose anything. Both the USA and Germany need Turkey, so they will forgive her any "pranks". And the fact that Turkey does not support Ukraine - so they consider Crimea as their territory (since 1475 the Crimean Khanate was a vassal of the Ottoman Empire), and a significant part of Novorossia when it was their possession. For the Turks, that the Russians, that the Bandera - "smeared with one myrrh". Erdogan sympathizes with Islamic fundamentalists and does not hide his revanchist views well. This is his choice!
      1. Vovavvs
        Vovavvs 12 August 2014 12: 32
        +1
        Well, what the wise and brave state leader of his country Erdogan DOES and what the wise and courageous state leader of his country, Erdogan, is, as they say in Odessa, there are two big differences ... Yes, one stop of the war with Syria is worth after the dispersal of the Maidan on Taksim ... Crimean Tatars are still held from "rash steps", not letting the Amerovsky fleet into the Black Sea at a critical moment ... At the same time, the Gagauzians directly support and protect them from those wishing to arrange a second ATO for them ... The negotiations on Karabakh in Sochi, frankly, are his merit ... and etc. etc. Not everyone will hang up the phone when calling from Washington ... But most of all I like the offer of the Turks to launch the South Stream through their territory with Greece (although I think this is a fake)
  11. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 12 August 2014 08: 56
    +2
    Turkey has always been a decent country, both as an enemy and as an ally. Except from others...
    1. Monge
      Monge 12 August 2014 09: 23
      0
      Turkey has always been a decent country, both as an enemy and as an ally. Except from others...
      As an ally? Russia either fought or was in an unstable world with Turkey. Only during World War II did the Turks remain neutral. And it’s better to ask Armenia about a decent country.
      1. avt
        avt 12 August 2014 09: 43
        +1
        Quote: Monge
        Russia either fought or was in an unstable world with Turkey

        Well, let's not only say, just in case, ask for what reason the sailing battleship Sultan Mahmud appeared on the Black Sea Fleet, then you see other historical events will drag on. Well, for example, how Ushakov fought with the Turks with the Franks in the Mediterranean Sea, etc. But in general, this, as I correctly noted
        Quote: a52333
        Satanovsky said well about this yesterday. From the 7 minutes - this is the answer to your post
        [media = http: //www.vesti.ru/only_video.html? vid = 614098]
        There is no Turkey + RF, there is no China + RF, there is a simultaneous coincidence of interests.

        Business, nothing personal. By the way, in recent history there is also a lot of interesting things - the presence on the monument in Turkey of a figure with the face of Chekist Baturin, for example. But Erdogan must be approached with caution, he has his own, very specific goal - the Neo-Ottoman Empire. And do we need it?
        1. Monge
          Monge 12 August 2014 11: 05
          +2
          Well, let's not only say, just in case, ask for what reason the sailing battleship Sultan Mahmud appeared on the Black Sea Fleet, then you see other historical events will drag on. Well, for example, how Ushakov fought with the Turks with the Franks in the Mediterranean Sea, etc. etc.
          Well, as a former sailor, I immediately remember the Sinop battle, the Chesme battle, the defense of Sevastopol. That defense of Sevastopol when P.S. Nakhimov died. And as a lover of painting, Aivazovsky's painting "Brig Mercury is fighting two Turkish ships." And the storming of the Izmail fortress by the legendary Suvorov. Then Shipka suddenly appeared in my memory. Friends in general, at all times
          1. avt
            avt 12 August 2014 15: 23
            0
            Quote: Monge
            Well, like a former sailor,

            It is better to remember everything in this context, without throwing out anything from history that does not coincide with the personal worldview. Then the picture analyzed will be complete, including how the Black Sea Fleet of the Empire saved the sultan's power of Mahmud in Istanbul from the rebels in Egypt, and the joint campaign against the Franks of Ushakov when he stormed the bastions on ships in the Mediterranean. By the way, the Turks were rescued from the rebellious Egyptians even as part of a joint squadron with the Franks and Angles, it was after this that Azov received the title of Guards and, if memory serves, young Nakhimov participated. But in the main thing, of course, I agree - the Turks are on their minds and some kind of "friendship", unions "to expect is stupid. Well, interests coincided as in the times of Mahmud, why not use it !? But build very long-term plans with them No. -better beware. Erdogan and half of the population are quite specifically aimed at Islamization and the construction of a neo-Ottoman empire, this is quite soft, unlike Egypt, but the Muslim Brotherhood project. So again - we need it? We do not need a secular Turkey according to the patterns of Ataturk, but quite an Islamic empire in the south?
      2. faterdom
        faterdom 12 August 2014 18: 19
        +2
        And the forehead split Porta also against Russia. As it began to collide around the 16th century, it rolled down from the pedestal of its maximum greatness, to the "sick man", whose legacy of the state was shared during the First World War and after it. And if somewhere in reality the interests in the Caucasus, Crimea and Novorossia were in conflict with the growing Russian Empire, then the Turks were often simply incited to a war with Russia by the Swedes, the French, or the British ...
        But now, objectively, all hopes of turning Turkey into a regional power can be associated only with Russia. Both economically and in all other senses. And, perhaps with a vehicle and why not? And Erdogan is just the person with whom it is possible. He, like I. Aliyev in Azerbaijan, already quite felt the threat of his maidan from the Americans. And if they wanted from these two politicians to achieve humility and manageability, as, say, from Merkel herself, then they will not occupy the east well, and have achieved the opposite - now they certainly are not their sincere allies.
  12. gandalf
    gandalf 12 August 2014 08: 57
    +4
    Erdogan is a pro-Turkish politician. He will do what is beneficial to Turkey. If Russia is beneficial to Turkey, it will be with Russia.
    You can negotiate with him and you need to. On the rejection of the dollar - agreed.
  13. Viktor64
    Viktor64 12 August 2014 09: 03
    0
    Oh, not that we supported in the 19th century. It was necessary to help the Turks capture Greece and Bulgaria, and the Germans, in the 20th century, Montenegro with Croatia. It turned out that Europe is an association of traitor prostitutes who do not remember who saved them repeatedly.
  14. Million
    Million 12 August 2014 09: 06
    +2
    If only both countries benefit from this rapprochement
  15. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 12 August 2014 09: 07
    0
    Let's hope that Russia and Turkey will find a common language. But the West will make every effort to spoil these mutual relations between Russia and Turkey as it has been in all ages. The bad news is that Turkey is a member of NATO. Well, let’s see - even though they are small allies, they are.
  16. Balamyt
    Balamyt 12 August 2014 09: 07
    +1
    Erdogan is a pro-Turkish politician. He will do what is beneficial to Turkey.

    But in principle, is it possible to assume otherwise ???
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 12 August 2014 10: 03
      0
      Not pro-Turkish, but Turkish, and that says it all. If I had been pro-Russian or pro-Western, then one could "assume otherwise."
  17. Sergei 57
    Sergei 57 12 August 2014 09: 20
    0
    Before the election, they are all with RUSSIA. Only then?
  18. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 12 August 2014 09: 27
    +5
    Dear colleagues. Do not flatter yourself at the expense of Turkey. Erdogan politician with great ambitions is the goal and the program has long been voiced, the revival of the great Ottoman Empire. At one time, Turkey fed Syrian fighters from its hand, shot down Syrian Air Force planes and fired at border areas. Apparently some here apparently forgot about the inspection of our airliner. At the moment, Turkey is at the step of the war with the united Kurds, plus fanatics in Iraq, and it’s delicious the most colorful revolution near by is unleashed under the tacit observation of the United States. Yes, and the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is still smoldering (in which we seem to be for Armenia and the Turks for another football team). As long as Turkey is profitable to trade with us, as soon as they strengthen a little, they will figure it out with our internal problems (well, no matter how not in the economy) we can meet again at Shipka.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 12 August 2014 10: 35
      +1
      They said wonderful. Especially about Shipka. And you can recall Constantinople. Also an unforgettable meeting.
  19. Wolka
    Wolka 12 August 2014 09: 27
    +2
    no illusions, Putin is not Erdogan, and Erdogan can never be Putin, an alliance is possible, but short-lived, the Turks were never allies of Russia, even when they could make good money on it ... hi history does not deceive, today the influence of the Yankees on Turkey is too great, hence all its troubles ...
  20. andj61
    andj61 12 August 2014 09: 30
    +4
    Turkey will not be an ally for Russia. It will not be able to join the CU either, since it has been an associate member of the EU for half a century, the same agreement was recently signed by Ukraine and Moldova. In addition, Erdogan constantly "dabbles" with Islamic fundamentalism; for the first time since Ataturk, a certain departure from the absolute principle of the secular nature of the Turkish Republic was made. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Turkish special services were very active, both in the countries of the former USSR and in Russia. Turkey always, and especially under Erdogan, positions itself as the leader of the Turkic world, a very distant goal - the building of a great Turkey, a great Turan from Altai to the Bosphorus. You need to be very, very careful with Turkey, Turkey always pursues only its own interests. Now the interests of Turkey and Russia coincide in many respects. This is what you need to use. This is how Turkey is a very profitable trading partner for us.
  21. A40263S
    A40263S 12 August 2014 09: 33
    +2
    in my opinion, in the article, the author gives out the wish for the reality .. it is unlikely, but as they say wait and see
  22. luka666
    luka666 12 August 2014 09: 34
    +2
    Yeah ... Wait. With a great start. We will bury decades of our approaches and the development of relations with Iran, Armenia, Egypt, Recognize Kosovo. Let us give Syria to be devoured by the same Turks, let Azerbaijan "deal" with Nagorno-Karabakh with the blessing of the same Turkey. Or how? Maybe Turkey will bury the centuries-old vector of its relations with the Amers, with NATO, change its revanchist policy towards the Balkan peoples, and stop feeding the Syrian conflict with its own militants. Will it stop sponsoring subversive activities in the North Caucasus, recognize the Armenian genocide in 1915?
    Or how? With so many disagreements on international issues, how will we build allied relations? The article is a childish naive stupidity. Turkey and I have much more strained contradictions than some kind of mythical similarity in the misunderstanding of us by European peoples. IMHO.
  23. Aslan
    Aslan 12 August 2014 09: 37
    +1
    Turkey is Russia's rival uniquely in geopolitics.
    There are common points of contact, a desire to pursue a policy independent of the West, claims to former greatness, etc., but Turkey, including now, is drowning Syria in its blood and is actively working in Central and Central Asia, i.e. affects our direct interests.
    I think Erdogan for a long time, like our president, both are charismatic, moderately conservative, both behind a rich history of countries and past greatness.
    A clash of interests is inevitable, but I think a lot will depend on how Russia decides the Ukrainian question.
  24. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 August 2014 09: 48
    -1
    The union should not be equal. Erdogan needs a "counterweight" in relations with the EU, Putin needs rapprochement with Azerbaijan, in which the Turks have a strong influence. Even if there is a short-term coincidence of interests, let it be. Against whom we are friends - this remark of Ranevskaya approaches this situation as never before.
  25. Hawk2014
    Hawk2014 12 August 2014 09: 53
    0
    Here are the dates of the Russian-Turkish wars: 1) 1568-1570; 2) 1672-1681; 3) 1686-1700; 4) 1710-1713; 5) 1735-1739; 6) 1768-1774; 7) 1787-1791; 8) 1806-1812; 9) 1828-1829; 10) 1853-1856; 11) 1877-1878; 12) 1914-1918
    Total: for 450 years, Russia fought with Turkey 12 times, more than with any other state in the world. Moreover, Turkey is the only country in respect of which the Russian top political leadership had plans for its liquidation as a state. Unlike everyone else, who was simply fought back. To sign any agreements with Turkey is tantamount to crossing out all of Russian history.
    Turkey is not admitted to the EU because it refuses to recognize the Armenian genocide in 1915. The Europeans understand that admitting Turkey to the EU means putting themselves on a par with a de facto fascist state. And here we are being offered some kind of special relationship with Turkey, but what special? That after the establishment of such relations, no one in the world will have any doubts that the Russians are no different from the current "Maydauns" in Ukraine. What a "friend" they have!
    Of course, I would like to know who the author of this article is in reality. If a Turkish propagandist, then everything is clear. But if this is another domestic sofa dreamer, then it remains only to shrug ... request
  26. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 12 August 2014 09: 56
    +1
    It is foolish to consider Turkey an ally. She is a "fellow traveler" if interests coincide and an "enemy" - in the absence of them. You seem to have forgotten "Turkey's behavior" in the Syrian conflict, as well as its opposition to the notorious "South Stream". In addition, everyone seems to have forgotten that Turkey was "ahead of the rest of the world" in order to shit on Russia when she climbed out of her skin to get EU membership. But when the EU showed Turkey "at the door" and said that in the foreseeable future Turkey should not even think about "membership" in the EU, then Turkey, suddenly, "was very offended" and sharply began to seek "its interests" , in particular, began to seek cooperation with Russia. Whatever you want, but I don’t like any "corrupt creatures" who change their minds when "market conditions change", I do not trust them and do not turn my back on them.
  27. Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 12 August 2014 10: 19
    0
    Quote: a52333
    There is no Turkey + RF, there is no China + RF, there is a simultaneous coincidence of interests.

    That's right! Guys, this is Politics! And there is nothing else in it!
  28. ilya_82
    ilya_82 12 August 2014 11: 11
    0
    I disagree only on one thing, we are not related peoples. We never staged genocide and atrocities like the Ottomans. they are not brothers to us.
  29. lexx2038
    lexx2038 12 August 2014 13: 51
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    The world began to change rapidly, divided into two coalitions - the old world and the new world, so far only politically, but it seems to me that without power scenarios this metamorphosis cannot happen, and the beginning is already in Ukraine, Syria, Libya, so that we can become witnesses or participants in world history. Or its end, due to the presence of weapons of unprecedented previously destructive power. We watch a movie about us further ....
  30. denchik1977
    denchik1977 12 August 2014 13: 54
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    Strengthening relations with Russia, Turkey seeks to give the most tough answer to the European Union for its unwillingness to accept. The Turkish leadership is well aware of the prospects for the country in the Russian market after the introduction of sanctions on food imports from the European Union. In addition to purely economic ties, the military significance of such a rapprochement is beginning to come to the fore, namely, actual control over the Black Sea straits, which could lead to the closure of American ships access to the Black Sea basin, which could significantly weaken US influence in the region ...
  31. special
    special 12 August 2014 19: 08
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    East is a delicate matter ... It will be good. if the Turks are allies .. Worse. if they pursue their geopolitical goals, and consider Russia as a scarecrow for the United States and the EU .. Yes, the Turks have never been our allies. soldier