On the losses of the Ukrainian punitive army

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The longer the military operation continues in the Donbass, the greater the number of ordinary Ukrainians begin to wonder: how many more lives should ATO absorb (as the civil war is called in Kiev) in order to get enough of it and, finally, to stop. For the continuation of the "ATO" advocate except those who seem to be completely struck by the ukrovirus of radicalism and hatred towards everything and everyone, and those who really believe this information about the "small" losses of the Ukrainian army and the National Guard in the Lugansk and Donetsk regions. And these data today are as follows: in the combat zone during the operation, about 363 Ukrainian soldiers were killed (including the soldiers of the National Guard).

On the losses of the Ukrainian punitive army


The fact that these data are lies is not doubted even by those who are on the side of Kiev participating in the war against their people. Just a few days ago in Ukrainian edition of "Gordon" (The head of this project is a Ukrainian journalist and writer Dmitry Gordon) an extensive interview with the National Guard under a soldier appeared, asking the reporter not to be named for security reasons.

According to the National Guard contractor who participated in the battles for Krasny Liman, Nikolayevka, Zakotnoye and other settlements in the southeast, the Ukrainian media tend to present to the viewers (readers, users, radio listeners) biased data, underestimating the losses of the Ukrainian units, embellishing the situation with supplies and equipment technical equipment. For us (Russians), America has definitely not discovered. But for the Ukrainians! ..

The national guard in an interview with the publication "Gordon" said that the losses among the Ukrainian military, who officially recognizes Kiev, are in fact underestimated 6-7 times.

From the interview:
If you were told on TV that two or three military men died over the past day, you know, in fact, their 12 – 13 may be more. For all the time of the ATO in the Donbas killed at least four thousand soldiers. Official sources lie about 363's, why I don’t know.


And what is there to understand? UkroSMI has already put all the forces on it in order to justify the constant losses of the Ukrainian army and the National Guard in battles with the “Russian army”. Now, when the majority of adequate Ukrainians understand that there has never been a Russian army in the Donbas, it is becoming more and more difficult for people to hang noodles on their ears. Therefore, we have to go to another trick: “freeze” the number of casualties for servicemen, so that the people would not have a question about why Putin’s army in the southeast does not exist, and the death toll rises at a substantial pace. And it is quite clear that if Ukrainian television suddenly decides to provide real information about the dead — about thousands of dead, then these figures will cause a surge of civil indignation, which may well be followed by the Maidan, compared to which all previous Maidans would have seemed like flowers to Kiev.

Certainly, some of the readers will say: why, in fact, we have to believe in a single contract soldier from the Ukrainian National Guard under - perhaps the fear of the eyes has become so large that this person is prone to exaggerating the losses. Naturally, an ordinary fighter simply by definition cannot know the real number of the dead, but the fact is that there are other sources confirming the fact that during the punitive operation in the southeast, the Ukrainian army and the national guard lost no 363 man, but many times more. This is confirmed at least by the fact that Ukrainian servicemen cross the Russian border in hundreds, and dozens of deserters are reported on ukrotelekanalah. That is, the understatement, as they say, is obvious.

In attempts to minimize this, they somehow “powder up”, ukroSMI, referring to the “nezalezhnoy” defense ministry, the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other security agencies, go to an entertaining trick. The fact is that with the "freezing" of the number of the "two hundredths", another number began to grow - the missing. If we take into account that according to statistics, only up to 10% missing in various military conflicts eventually end up surviving (captured, hiding from the war), then in the Ukrainian case 90% missing can be considered a casualty.

High-ranking sources in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine declare (attention!) 3,5 thousand. Missing Ukrainian soldiers. If, again, refer to the statistics, it turns out that about 3,1-3,2 thousands of ukrovoyak died in battles with the militia or were covered with the so-called "friendly fire." Adding to this value of the official two-hundredth 363, you can get about the very same figures that the national guard men told the Gordon edition.

What else says that the losses of ukroarmia, represented by "officially", are far from real losses? Data from the militias. Everyone is free to believe or disbelieve this data, but they cannot be presented.

Representatives of the Donbass militia say that recently the Ukrainian security forces do not bother to collect the bodies of their dead comrades. Thus, the press center of the brigade "Vostok" reported that at the height of Saur-Tomb are several dozen corpses of Ukrainian soldiers, who were actually abandoned. A few dozen - this is only after one fight! The servicemen of the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not take away the bodies decomposing in the sun, but retreated to a lowland and entrenched themselves, turning the place of death of their comrades into a sweep of land, awaiting the appearance of living targets from those who would be willing to bring the bodies of the military to the ground.

According to the Ukrainian servicemen themselves, the so-called funeral teams, usually heading for a particular territory to carry out the bodies of the dead, are often shelled by their own fighters from other divisions, since the level of interaction (radio communications) that today takes place in ukrovroskakh is in extremely low condition. It comes to the point of absurdity: the funeral teams are forced to move out for the removal of bodies from the place of their death with the Ukrainian flag on a long flexible pole, so that they can see their own. They say they will see the flag - they will not shoot ... The flag on the battlefield in the hands of the fighter as the main difference between "his" and "alien" is something from the Middle Ages ... Phantasmagoria, naive or banal idiocy? .. Maybe for the Ukrainian The Air Force did not shoot down the Malaysian Boeing, did the pilot need to pull the Ukrainian flag overboard? .. Bitter irony. Very bitter ...

But funeral teams are different. The most popular among the Ukrainian security officials is a team of two or three soldiers and one excavator. Such a team simply dumps the body into a shallow hole dug with special equipment (in order to save time and the desire not to fall under the shelling of the militia) pit and lightly dusted the corpses with earth. And the militia, and the Ukrainian security forces themselves, participating in the battles in the Donbas, tell about how the smell of decaying flesh poison the air in the vicinity of Shakhtyorsk, Krasny Liman, and other settlements. And this is most often the “unaccounted” losses - the very “missing”, which will remain unaccounted for Ukraine, so as not to denigrate the power of the main “Nezalezhnoy” democrat - Petr Poroshenko - a person who cares about the prosperity of the Ukrainian nation by reducing its number on the funds collected in the form of a special tax from the same nation ...
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  1. +11
    11 August 2014 09: 19
    365 two hundredths, the rest are missing, it’s clear to everyone already, they left for the leave of leave ....
    1. +123
      11 August 2014 09: 23
      10.08.14 Message from the militia from Snezhnoe.
      "Under the Snow Commander with the call sign" Black "with his fighters seized a tank and nearly two dozen machine guns.
      We drove this tank across the field like a hare. Yes, and wanted to pick up the machines. We have old "Kalash", and these new weapons, everything glitters. At first they wanted to surround us. They were a 40 man, two armored personnel carriers and a tank. And we are 18 people, we have automatic machines and two “flies”. They could not surround us, we repulsed. We had one "200", it was torn apart from a machine gun. They, too, died alone, they could not take it away, moved away, and so we moved away. We look - and this is equipped as Rambo. New machine, grenades, PM, "Bronik", helmet, knee pads, well, all with him. I tell the guys - in short, the hunt is starting. Tired already, no weapons normal, nothing. If they do not, they will take it.
      Well, we went around from two sides. And the Ukrainians stood in two heaps, two “Beter”, and meters through 100 - a tank. We put up a weak watch, and most of them are sitting on the armor. Well, in short, they started shooting from everything that is. They threw grenades, and let's crush them with bursts. One “Bester” was knocked out, but he was on the move, and the second began to maneuver. These "warriors" run after him to hide, and then he will tear there, then here, "dill" run after him, hide. In short, we have a fight, but we want to laugh.
      Suddenly the tank began to work wonders. Started to shoot. Where - it is not clear. Projectiles fly unintelligibly where, and he scorches. The fight is going a hundred meters already, it will not hook us in any way, but it still shoots. Panicked, I guess. And then their crew seemed to be crazy. The tank went off the road and went into the field. Buried in a tree, turned the tower and swayed somewhere on the sparrows. Then he backed up, nearly crushed his own. Stopped and turns the tower. We no longer know whether we fight or machine guns to quit and watch this movie.
      It ended up being stuck in a ravine at the side of the road. We thought he was out of fuel. Well, we think - the trophy got fat. And these "terminators" began to retreat. They have several "200-x", but they could not pick up the three, left. And left the tank, and machine guns lay on the road and in the field. We gave them such a "Stalingrad" that they were not up to the weapon.
      The battle went minutes 10, maybe 15. We have six wounded and one very hard, but survived, thank God.
      In general, we collect trophies and come up to the tank, to see what is there with it. And there it turns out the crew sat silently. We thought they piled with everyone, and these people are sitting there. And suddenly he came to life. He began to try to get out of the ravine, got out and let's drive somewhere.
      We were hurt, we let him chase. They began to shoot at him from grenade launchers, we don’t know why, and throw grenades right in front of him to confuse. Minutes 10 baiting was. He stopped, the carriage comes out, hands are raised, something is whispering, shaking. We saw them - everyone understood. Kids just. Not that the tank, they and the moped can not be trusted. One is crying, the rest of the head is lowered, "do not kill, please do not kill." We felt sorry for them, humanly. We gave them some water, they are afraid to take it.
      In general, they reassured them, they realized that we were not going to kill and torture. We talked - they are from Dnepropetrovsk, from the region, there is still no 20. How can the unstripped children be sent to the slaughterhouse - I do not understand. Also trust the tank. We did not take them into captivity. They said that they should go home and hide until everything is over. But they were going to do it.
      Here and we are at war. We are "terrorists" and "bandits", and they are the army, the defender of the people. Only for some reason they are on my land, they kill the civilians, and we take away their weapons and send them home without ransom and bullying. And who are the terrorists, I wonder? Do we blow up their houses and take hostages? No, and we are not going to. Therefore, the truth is on our side, and we are stronger, and our fighting spirit is higher. And the victory will be ours. ”
      1. +14
        11 August 2014 09: 35
        Quote: Duke
        [B]
        How can I send the children of the unfired to the slaughter - I do not understand. Also trust the tank. We did not take them prisoner. .


        Children are quicker to suggest.
        1. +5
          11 August 2014 10: 08
          The principle of building the Roman legion - principles, gastati, triarii. In the first ranks the youngest principles from 16 years, then they already went by age and experience, the last triarii.
          1. badger1974
            +7
            11 August 2014 16: 25
            not everything is so simple, in the front ranks of the legion's cohorts were archers and infantrymen with darts - they were the first to meet the enemy, showering him with darts and arrows - this was their function and they tactically retreated yielding to already seasoned warriors in swinging with swords, finishing off the weakened and wounded adversary, so the youngsters have matured battle after battle, and nothing to do with the modern, and even more so the "ukropsky" battle will enter the analys of history as the most mediocre and militarily CRUSAL
            1. +1
              11 August 2014 17: 03
              Quote: badger1974
              not everything is so simple, in the front ranks of the legion's cohorts were archers and infantrymen with darts - they were the first to meet the enemy, showering him with darts and arrows - this was their function and they tactically retreated yielding to already seasoned warriors in swinging with swords, finishing off the weakened and wounded adversary, so the youngsters have matured battle after battle, and nothing to do with the modern, and even more so the "ukropsky" battle will enter the analys of history as the most mediocre and militarily CRUSAL

              I doubt that a new book about Kievan Rus will soon be released, in which the ancient Ukrainians fight the Mogul hordes! and in this book, this war will be heroic for ukrov and their children, and Genghis Khan, read Putin, is the most bloodthirsty tyrant! story 2.0
          2. Cat
            +2
            11 August 2014 20: 02
            It seems to me that you slightly confused the gastatas with the principles - it was the principles that were the main force.
        2. +6
          11 August 2014 11: 00
          Here the psychology is simple. Child, this category sometimes varies from 1 years to 18 years (well, sometimes it goes off scale for 30 years lol ), used to submit to senior authorities, plus youthful maximalism implicated in bravado. Well, those who have departed from the mother’s skirt, begin to live their own understanding of the world order. It’s so difficult to give a command to pointlessly go under the bullet.
          1. +1
            12 August 2014 00: 59
            There is also the category of "Onizhedites". This is when you can kill, but die early: "And me for scho ??!" And for that, sho their daddy is fool! They send their sons to destruction for their foolishness.
            "HEROYAM - SALA!" USA, provocateurs and instigators of the 3rd world, must be destroyed!
      2. +1
        11 August 2014 09: 58
        it would be better if these salagas returned to Dnepropetrovsk on a tank and drove into the airport, bombed the dill air base, because they would fly from there to bomb.
      3. +2
        11 August 2014 10: 06
        Duke, well done! Huge + !!!
      4. tinafom
        +4
        11 August 2014 11: 59
        A strange story, I don’t think that the militia would release prisoners. They are not fools, they understand that the stories of captured soldiers on camera are a powerful weapon in inf. the war. And so, this is just text, even without the name of the author. Sorry, I do not believe it.
        1. 0
          12 August 2014 01: 01
          They send them (prisoners) to death! Heroi will not forgive captivity. They want dead heroes, not living witnesses.
      5. +1
        11 August 2014 17: 05
        ".... Well, we think - a fat trophy got ..."
        Cool.
        Well, our normal weapons can not help? Okay, the government is squeezed, and the oligarchs?
        1. +6
          11 August 2014 17: 19
          Quote: Korvin1000
          Okay, the government is squeezed, and the oligarchs?

          you are joking ?!!!
          you really do not understand the logic of the actions of the aligarhat in the conditions of the Ukrainian crisis?
          Remember what the authorities of Novorosia have done since the beginning of independence - they announced the nationalization of resource-extracting enterprises
          the truth was quickly forgotten about it (not before it became)
          but I think our money bags are like a Faberge sickle
          further, the people received weapons in their hands, and gradually become not an obedient bydloelectorate, but a person not only thinking, but also ABLE to translate their thoughts into action
          namely, ANY authority is so afraid of this
          that way, Russians can also ask in Russia why the owners of mineral resources (supposedly popular) have very remarkable surnames such as Vekselberg, Abramovich, Gref and, not by night, will be remembered - Chubashi
          why our fse - gazprom, directly sponsors sharashka like echo matzah, and the ministry of culture allocates millions for frankly anti-russian films, programs, performances, etc.

          over it stands VERY STRONGLY THINK.


          one thing is clear, without the military intervention of Russia, Novorosiya - pizdets
      6. Rusi dolaze
        0
        12 August 2014 09: 56
        Well guys, well, a good message, but yesterday morning three times already !!!
    2. +3
      11 August 2014 09: 30
      Ukrainian media reports are thoroughly saturated with lies, this is now their credo.
    3. +2
      11 August 2014 10: 16
      Down only ... It is a pity for fools humanly .. But everyone chooses his own fate.
    4. netwalker
      +2
      11 August 2014 10: 42
      No, they probably "deserted" across the border .. in the EU, for example .. so to speak - they went through the integration .. wassat
    5. Cadet787
      +5
      11 August 2014 13: 42
      10.08.2014 - 23: 45
      A summary of the headquarters of the Army of the Southeast on the results of August 10: the enemy went on the defensive in the area of ​​Gorlovka and Enakievo, suffers heavy losses, but draws reinforcements to Donetsk
      On August 10, after the regrouping, the enemy still focuses its main efforts on blocking the cities of Donetsk and Lugansk, as well as on establishing control over the main road directions and communications.
      During the day, shelling of residential areas and social infrastructure of the cities of Donetsk and Lugansk continued.
      The most difficult situation was in the areas of the settlements of Donetsk, Ilovayskoye, Shakhtersk, Snezhnoye, Krasny Luch, Gorlovka, where the enemy intensified offensive operations after the reinforced groupings of forces.
      During fierce battles, the units of the armed forces of New Russia forced the Ukrainian security forces to go on the defensive in the areas of the settlements of Central, Chernukhino, Gorlovka, Kamenka, Mogila Ostry, Enakievo.
      The militias successfully repelled the attack of the enemy’s reinforced tank battalion on the village of Orlovo-Ivanovka, where the Ukrainian security forces suffered heavy losses.
      Also unsuccessfully, with heavy losses, the offensive actions undertaken by the Ukrainian security forces in Ilovaisk and Gorlovka ended.
      The forces of the militia regained control of the road through the village of Red Beam.
      The total losses of the enemy over the past day amounted to:

      - up to 14 units of armored vehicles,

      - up to 19 cars,

      - over 10 guns and mortars, including 2 units of BM-21 Grad,

      - About 120 people killed and wounded.
      According to intelligence, in order to conduct sweeps of the captured suburbs and regions of Donetsk, in the settlements of Alekseyevka and Dachnoe, the concentration of forces of the National Guard is underway.
    6. 0
      12 August 2014 09: 36
      it’s clear to everyone already, they left for the quitting ...

      drink clean beer in a self-propelled gun drinks
    7. 0
      12 August 2014 09: 58
      But I don’t understand one thing - if the Natsik dill has such big losses, then why do the Donbas militia surrender settlements to them ??? Can anyone clarify?
  2. +4
    11 August 2014 09: 25
    Are they sensitive to ecology in Europe? So inform them that the junta is actively polluting the environment, waging a war in the style of "filling the enemy with corpses" and not removing these corpses.
    In general, in the 21st century, such savagery and such disrespect for the life of even your soldier who sacrificed his life for you, be it three times!, Ukrooligarch, to see material well-being in general is TIN! Yeshkin cat, and this is the Ukrainian people? Who lived with us in one state? Yeah....
  3. +14
    11 August 2014 09: 26
    Ah, but among the militia and the peaceful how many have died ... this is not an order. Already passed this ...
    General Turkul Anton Vasilich wrote in his book "The Drozdovites on Fire": "Ours and the Reds were lying along the road so closely, as if embracing."
    1. 0
      12 August 2014 07: 39
      Red, white - the brothers were killing each other ... And someone in London and Paris rubbed their hands and rejoiced at this. Very bitter ...
    2. mkpu 73-77
      0
      13 August 2014 03: 20
      SVP67 - Thanks for the shots! Mutual cruelty is absolutely absolutely shown. Here are just a strong doubt that modern Ukrainians will also behave bravely in close combat as the Whites in 1918-20.
      These modern Nazis are the Nazis of the lowest spill. They are more like SA stormtroopers who are able to instill fear in the peaceful inhabitants of their own country. We have already seen shots where a Ukrainian is. Nazis pull out the owner from the house and kick him. They beat him, and they themselves are afraid to see-pulled him a bag over his head. And rightly afraid - a man, having tasted the "new KIEV order" with his own giblets, will probably find a way to "thank" the Kiev "peacekeepers"! ..
  4. -3
    11 August 2014 09: 28
    Dogs dog death !!!
    1. Past_ Crocodile
      +5
      11 August 2014 10: 05
      And who are the dogs?
      1. +3
        11 August 2014 13: 52
        About 363 Ukrainian servicemen were killed (including fighters of the national guard). I didn’t understand, did someone's opinion about them change?
      2. +6
        11 August 2014 17: 55
        I do not understand something! you minus what? For the fact that I called the National Guards dogs, or did some pacifists suddenly gather here? Or are you as a herd without thinking minus? Or are those who sit in the cockpits of the Grad and Hurricanes worthy of pity? Or did you not see yesterday on "Russia 24" how he gave interviews to the soldiers of the valiant ukroarmiya and said that they were well received in Russia only because the OSCE mission was there, although here, in Russia, he was all tired saying that he was very grateful that their washed, fed, dressed, put up tents for them. Do you regret these here?
        1. Artem1967
          +2
          11 August 2014 22: 08
          In the cabins of "Gradov" and the militia sit. If such a harsh hamster, go to the battlefield and fight with your weapon, not your tongue and keyboard. I think there are our people on both sides of the front line, even if someone is brainwashed, but this is fixable. Fratricidal war is an evil that plays into the hands of the Americans and the mu.dak from the European Union. It needs to be finished, a task for politicians. This is my opinion, you can minus or consider it a pacifist.
          1. +1
            12 August 2014 01: 15
            The most terrible and merciless war is the civil one! As a child, I was for the Reds, when I grew up I was for the Whites. Now - for Russia! She will accept everyone who is sick for their homeland, for its people. Cursed be the Jews who became commissars; cursed be the commissars who betrayed Russia! Well, did any of the minus signers see the grave of the "red heroes" of the Civil War? I saw - unnamed and overgrown with grass ... This is the grave of the traitors to Russia and its people.
            MINUS, HEROES!
            1. 0
              12 August 2014 01: 48
              during the USSR, they showed on telly a monument that I will say so to the Red Finns, although the Whites defeated. They honor their dead in civilian life, maybe that's why they live peacefully between themselves?
            2. 0
              12 August 2014 02: 35
              Dear Naum, no one is arguing about the civil war. But after reading your comments, before this article, I didn’t notice your pity for the Ukrainian people there, and then you suddenly started trying to justify them - you are not consistent.
          2. 0
            12 August 2014 01: 44
            the right thought, he once said with a friend, he had a friend in the ATO who said so that you can add zero to most losses, and average losses among the army are only 20-30 people per day ...
          3. 0
            12 August 2014 02: 43
            To make statements about hamsters, you must at least know the person! Next, you can read other resources, check out the video comments, etc. These brainwashed comrades will never change their attitude towards us and our people by 90%. I cannot call Russian brothers those who bomb hospitals and residential areas, albeit by order, I cannot call their wives, mothers, who in a crowd shout "where is the assault aircraft", instead of demanding an end to the war, I cannot call those Russians who shoot buses with refugees and do not let in gum. cargo. All this is confirmed.
    2. +1
      12 August 2014 07: 48
      Apparently someone just loves to read comments in isolation from the article ... Or animal advocates accidentally came here! )))
  5. +9
    11 August 2014 09: 29
    There is somewhere a relatively recent video ..... where only the legs of the military are removed, they can be seen.

    So there Ukrainians say they filled four! Kamaz two hundredth ..... damn tin! FOUR KAMAZ!

    Pravosekov and ideological sadists are certainly not sorry. But those who simply by conscription, and even went under threats. ..... Tin.
    1. +3
      11 August 2014 09: 48
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Pravosekov and ideological certainly not a pity. But those who simply by conscription, and even went under threats. ..... Tin.

      Wash pravosekov in Donbass a little, mostly conscripts and mercenaries. Prikinte themselves 1500 in Transcarpathia, about 2000 in Odessa, Large forces in Nikolaev, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, in general, wherever Kiev is dissatisfied with the "ideologically correct" national gates. And how many are there? most likely only detachments are going to Donbass, and a small number to control the warriors!
    2. +1
      11 August 2014 17: 47
      ...... But those who simply by conscription, and even drove under threats. ..... Tin .....
      ..... And what do you think, who is at the MLRS in the service staff and howitzers in the staff ???? Some pravoseki and ideological sadists ????? You are deeply mistaken !!!! Just those who are on call !!!! And they know what they are doing !!!! hi
  6. +2
    11 August 2014 09: 31
    First the fun, then the hangover! The killed and wounded ukrovoiny should sober up "Svidomo".
  7. +5
    11 August 2014 09: 32


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    1. +10
      11 August 2014 12: 28
      Eh guys, for whom do you lay your heads and soak your countrymen? For Turchinov, Potroshenko, for the USA
    2. alexc.74
      +4
      11 August 2014 20: 50
      not at all sorry!
  8. +7
    11 August 2014 09: 32
    I write to all Svidomo-do not flatter yourself with different environments there, the militia will tear you .. and who does not tear, they themselves will run away .. am
  9. +14
    11 August 2014 09: 32
    Dill trolls on the forums shouted .. you are the slave of Putin, slaves ... and you? You stupidly for slaughter, as the cattle sent ... However, why how .. such is ...
  10. +3
    11 August 2014 09: 32
    The national guard in an interview with the publication "Gordon" said that the losses among the Ukrainian military, who officially recognizes Kiev, are in fact underestimated 6-7 times.


    The junta is not at all interested in returning its woe-warrior from the KO zone (punitive operation). Mindown has already been cleaned up. Cleans for themselves. No one will get away from reckoning. laughing
  11. +3
    11 August 2014 09: 33
    Dill well torn the west roof, and the west itself looks away at stupid dill.
    1. +5
      11 August 2014 11: 11
      On the border of the former Ukraine and Europe:
  12. 0
    11 August 2014 09: 39
    Quote: Igor39
    365 two hundredths, the rest are missing, it’s clear to everyone already, they left for the leave of leave ....

    Lost, lost ... "Forgot" to include in the lists ...
  13. Old Cynic
    +2
    11 August 2014 09: 48
    Alex, welcome! hi
    Thank you for the article.
    Regarding the funeral teams from the Armed Forces - something similar brother observed. Only manually graves dug.
  14. +6
    11 August 2014 09: 50
    All 200s to collect and lay out on the Maidan in the center of Kiev to sober up Svidomo. They will not understand otherwise.
    1. 0
      11 August 2014 21: 30
      Allow to perform?
  15. +3
    11 August 2014 09: 53
    Dill like those sinners in hell, instead of asking God for forgiveness, they hate him even more, grinding their teeth in pain. These will never repent and will not forgive Russia only because it simply exists, and even flourishes, while they are bent.
  16. +28
    11 August 2014 09: 53
    10.08.14. The story of the punisher about the operation in Ilovaysk.

    "We returned after the battle. The most shameful defeat.
    In short, it is sad when patriots try to compensate for the lack of military education with zeal. A shameful attempt to storm Ilovaisk.
    Azov, Shakhtersk and the army together tried to take Ilovaisk. The army, a paradox (!), Worked out brilliantly. The entire battalion mess flashed brightly.
    Army artillery gave wrong coordinates. They instantly and conscientiously plowed a completely empty area. The assault began, pristine pillboxes.
    They brilliantly built people in two columns (!!), closed the columns with support vehicles (!!!) - and led them directly into the pillboxes. In the separas they were laughing at us.
    Ahead of our columns was the BMP. The only one who completed his task. Until the gun jammed. And then we lay down in the grass.
    Azov and Shakhtersk - three hundred people - were holding from two to a maximum of five snipers-separatists one kilometer from Ilovaisk. No one could raise their heads.
    Heavy weapons zero. BPM is dead. The "Azov" cliff (large pool) broke in the same way. The machine can't get them. Impossible. We just didn't see them!
    Our snipers patriots thrashed like machine guns from their SVD. She hits with aim - 800. In skillful hands. Not ours. They kept us - at least in 1000.
    The separs realized who they were dealing with. A couple of groups almost with harmonica came to us on the flank. Now they began to beat us already crosswise.
    We have communications - 9 walkie-talkies per battalion. There are no common waves with either the army or neighbors.
    I personally kept a group of sunflowers in sight, and along the chain (!!) I tried to find out whether they were my own or others. Yellow marker tapes in sunflowers - smart.
    I have never experienced such a shame as in this battle. Are we punishers ?! Yes, we’re moose. Makhnovschina. No weapons, no communications, no education.
    And then mortars hit us. Do not hit the first salvo. There was no second. There was no one to beat. The Ukrainian team would not be ashamed of such a run.
    The bottom line. The bellies of the separatists torn from laughter. 4 corpses in Donbass, 3 - in Azov, 6 - seriously wounded. This is what I have seen personally. Not a single enemy killed. "
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    Repost from VK
    1. +2
      11 August 2014 10: 20
      New scary punitive weapons aimed at the belly of the militia.
  17. +2
    11 August 2014 10: 02
    And they will die in huge numbers while people will be called up and go under the command of these fascists for slaughter, they do not know how to fight, but the soul is eager for battle. They need a rebellion, senseless and merciless, and then the junta will come to an end.
  18. +3
    11 August 2014 10: 03
    How many more deaths are needed on both sides for an epiphany to appear in the minds of the inhabitants of the "Nezalezhnaya" intoxicated by Western propaganda?
    1. +1
      11 August 2014 11: 34
      Many more will be killed, Ukraine is just an excuse, the main goal is Russia.
  19. +2
    11 August 2014 10: 04
    Militias, keep it up!
    1. +6
      11 August 2014 14: 01
      Quote: Kosta153
      Militias, keep it up!

      ---------------
      11.08.14/XNUMX/XNUMX. From a letter from the militia.

      "So this is how a Soviet person differs from a Russian? Yes, the fact that a Soviet person believed in 40 varieties of sausages and jeans, while a Russian believes in an iPhone and a credit Ford Focus. What is their difference from a Russian person? In the fact that they believed and they believe in sausage and iPhones, while the Russians believed in the Motherland, in the straits and in the cross over Hagia Sophia, and now they believe in our struggle. "
      1. mkpu 73-77
        0
        13 August 2014 03: 31
        Did something come to you? ...
  20. wladimir
    +7
    11 August 2014 10: 06
    it’s a shame that not only frank fascists and dill, ordinary Slavs, slandered and loyal leaders
  21. +9
    11 August 2014 10: 07
    I saw the same situation with my own eyes, during the "first Chechen war (1994-1996)", they lied on TV, radio and newspapers (in Russia). We who served were in awe of such lies because They themselves drove the dvuhsotiks to their homes. Yes, and there were much more trehsotiks than the "press" said. This is a "normal" cover-up for the reality of those interested in this. Amers have the same thing. Chiharyat. ALL.
    1. +2
      11 August 2014 10: 23
      Yes, and they fought a little better their own in their own thrashed in a mess .. The same salagi were stupid ..
  22. Rusich
    0
    11 August 2014 10: 07
    Dill, what to take from them ... there is already a Russian spirit, and Russia does not smell. It is the Russians who do not abandon their own in the war. (real Russians).
  23. 0
    11 August 2014 10: 08
    really it doesn’t reach people that WITHOUT LOST, such a quantity cannot go .. to what extent brains should not work in order to believe in this bullshit ..
    1. Hawk2014
      0
      11 August 2014 12: 10
      Quote: novel68rus
      WITHOUT LEAVING THROUGH THIS amount cannot

      "Missing" means that the command of the military unit "has no corpse on hand", and was not sent to the hospital as a wounded one. That is, the unit command simply does not know (or pretends not to know) where the soldier is? And why is it impossible that the officers did not know something (or pretended not to know)?
      1. 0
        12 August 2014 02: 02
        missing means not dead, that is, it does not spoil the statistics and the family does not need to pay a pension or salary.
    2. 0
      11 August 2014 16: 29
      Yes, no one is interested: they believe or do not believe. Nationalist frenzy + they killed a good guy = complete inability to adequately assess events.
  24. +2
    11 August 2014 10: 08
    If the "government" of Ukraine will spread the truth, they will lose their power.
  25. +2
    11 August 2014 10: 09
    in fact, a loss in a country with 42 million people, several thousand people will not be reflected in any way, and it will not even be noticeable at all. For example, the Nazis lost 1.5 million people in the Battle of Stalingrad. That’s if at least 50 thousand dill died months, then the resonance happened, and so ... in general seeds.
    1. +1
      11 August 2014 11: 37
      Seeds are not seeds, there are less and less people wishing to fight.
    2. Hawk2014
      -5
      11 August 2014 12: 21
      Quote: Sledgehammer
      for example, the Nazis lost 1.5 million people in the Battle of Stalingrad

      A huge exaggeration. All losses of the Wehrmacht claimed in 2,2 million people throughout the war. It is doubtful that 2/3 of the casualties occurred in one battle, even the largest one.
      And about the Ukrainian losses - from a purely military point of view - they are acceptable, given the complete unpreparedness of the Ukrainian army. Well, from the political one, it’s V. Geletey who knows better and it’s up to him to decide what the loss limit should be.
      1. +3
        11 August 2014 12: 47
        Quote: Hawk2014
        All losses of the Wehrmacht claimed in 2,2 million people throughout the war.

        Well, until recently, Ukrainians stated that they had 600 with a penny killed

        and about the Wehrmacht, I advise you to think about why, at such low (as you say) losses, at 45 they carried out a total mobilization with an appeal from 14 to 65 years old

        stop believing all sorts of nonsense
        even pedivikia gives German losses of 3

        turn on your head

        Well, if you want to thoroughly study the issue (and not from pro-Western agitation)
        here you have good material
        http://www.poteryww2.narod.ru/index.html

        if mnogabukaf is boring to read, go to the section "conclusions"
      2. +5
        11 August 2014 13: 27
        Quote: Hawk2014
        All losses of the Wehrmacht claimed in 2,2 million people throughout the war.

        Yes? A huge understatement. In 1985, the Federal Service for the Estimation of War Loss in Germany announced 3,1 million dead and 1,2 million missing, for a total of 4,3 million in all theaters of war. Investigator Rüdiger Overmans , in his work "German military losses in the Second World War" (in the third, Munich edition) of 2004, gives a figure of 5,3 million people. And the figure, let me mark, is not final. I also found such figures. I quote: ". ..Evaluation of German losses according to German military records:
        Types of losses up to 31.12.44/8/333 Total (Ground forces and troops of the SS, Navy, Air Force: Irrevocable, missing, sanitary wounded) -978 XNUMX XNUMX million.
        Types of losses for 1.1.45 - 30.4.45 Total (Ground forces and troops of the SS, Navy, Air Force: irretrievable, missing. Sanitary wounded) -2 072 000 million. By the way, this site also has an article, and not one, about the losses of Germany and the USSR. Extremely interesting and intelligible articles. Rummage around.
      3. badger1974
        0
        14 August 2014 00: 18
        it doesn’t matter whether he died or didn’t die, but it is important that Germany missed 8 with a lighter of a mile of its soldiers (Waffen SS. Wehrmacht of backlash and kriegsmarins), but tore it into pieces or froze on Cape Dezhnev is another question, like a gritsa. separate issue, fact one, catastrophic losses
  26. +4
    11 August 2014 10: 14
    the more and longer Russians kill Russians, the more profitable it is for the West; therefore, the war in Novorossia will not be allowed to stop for a very long time, and it will be thrown into growths and Krasnodar
  27. +8
    11 August 2014 10: 20
    The national guard in an interview with the publication "Gordon" said that the losses among the Ukrainian military, who officially recognizes Kiev, are in fact underestimated 6-7 times.


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  28. +1
    11 August 2014 10: 28
    It’s a pity the boys of conscripts, on the other hand, the organizers of all this must answer for their deaths and the deaths of civilians. Those who are in Lviv, Kiev, Washington. And it is advisable to kill ideological inspirers.
    1. 0
      11 August 2014 11: 59
      According to my sources, morgues are crowded in Kharkov, do not want to give, and try to hide the facts of death.
      1. 0
        11 August 2014 12: 13
        Well, you can still sell organs
  29. +12
    11 August 2014 10: 42
    We consider losses here, but we are laughing at punishers who do not know how to fight, but the strength is on their side. Shells are immeasurable, both for guns and for Grad. The population is already praying anyway, but to stop the killing. The peasants are our fellows, but the cities are million-plus, they simply cannot be taken out. And despite the victories, I think that the loss of civilians psychologically very badly affects the general attitude towards the war. Looking at the map, it’s a woeful feeling that even after winning the boiler, the territory is shrinking. And the loss or separation of Lugansk from Donetsk is the loss of the republics. There will remain Krasnaya Polyana and Sverdlovsk. The DPR generally has 2 cities; Lugansk still has 5 cities. Plans for ukrov are already being made for the winter.
    Therefore, if Strelkov does not start a wide guerrilla war, then they will be clamped. The militia can only hold on. God give them good fortune.
    1. +3
      11 August 2014 11: 22
      Quote: victorrat
      The DPR generally has 2 cities; Lugansk still has 5 cities. Plans for ukrov are already being made for the winter.
      Therefore, if Strelkov does not start a wide guerrilla war, then they will be clamped. The militia can only hold on. God give them good fortune.

      -------------------------
      I also think about this ... In fact, there is an Anglo-Boer war, where local successes and the courage of the Boers do not change the general picture of defeat in front of the overwhelming technical and human superiority of the British ... In addition, the general narrowing of the perimeter of resistance simply leads to a loss of supply for the entire population , and not just Novorossiysk rebels with weapons in their hands ... It is a pity that Donetsk and Lugansk could not organize early, and most of the population did not break with Ukraine and is experiencing some kind of illusion ...
      1. +4
        11 August 2014 12: 33
        Quote: Altona
        I also think about it ... In fact, there is an Anglo-Boer war, where local successes and the courage of the Boers do not change the general picture of defeat in front of the overwhelming technical and human superiority of the British ..

        if you take the analogy
        it’s rather the Balkan war of 92-95 when the main Serbia surrendered to the Serbian territory (parts of Bosnian and Croatian lands bordering Serbia, and inhabited mainly by Serbs)
        first, the Serbian militia, together with the regular Yugoslav (Serbian) army, seriously gave the Ustasha and Muslims
        but then the west intervened, and Milosevic withdrew the troops
        the militia was left alone with the Bosnians, Croats and Muslims.
        supported by western countries
        as a result, the entire territory of the Serbian territory was cleared of Serbs

        frightening coincidence
        1. +1
          11 August 2014 16: 09
          Quote: Rider
          if you take the analogy

          ------------------
          The Boer analogy is the most striking, because the British waged a war without rules, destroying civilians and driving the inhabitants to concentration camps, brutally killing Boer militias and sympathizers ...
          1. 0
            11 August 2014 17: 07
            Quote: Altona
            The analogy with the Boers is the brightest.

            You see, I cited the Balkan war as an example, because both there and in the South / East the central government refused to support the outskirts and as a result lost not only them, but also their own lands.
            Russia taking Crimea was almost ready in mid-April to send troops to Novorossia
            for certain (very incomprehensible) reasons this was not done
            now the militias, despite the gouging of the Ukrainian army and their heroism, are constantly retreating.
            Donetsk is on the verge of being surrounded.
            and GDP is silent
            it is absolutely clear that the surrender of Novorossia is extremely NOT desirable for him

            but...
            1. 0
              12 August 2014 00: 13
              I was for the introduction of troops even before the Crimea, in order to protect strategic objects from "onizhedey" ... And I poorly perceived the arguments against the introduction of troops into the Donbass and the recognition of Novorossia, because it is pointless to get involved in games with international law with the West ... At first reality must be shaped ...
    2. Hawk2014
      0
      11 August 2014 12: 25
      Quote: victorrat
      Shells are immeasurable, both for guns and for Grad

      Are you talking a lot of shells? Ukraine has 80 Smerch MLRS, 137 Uragan MLRS, 99 203-mm 2S7 Pion self-propelled guns. And the APU cannot deploy them in any way. There are apparently no shells! feel
  30. +1
    11 August 2014 10: 55
    The photos are still spring ...... I never understood shoving photos of decent prescription and relating to another event into the article.
  31. +9
    11 August 2014 10: 57
    Oh! Che you, che you! That's just transmitted on TV ...
    The shooter escaped from Donetsk and drinks a lot!
    The occupying forces are in a panic and massively surrendered!
    The FSB liquidation group must arrive from Russia to remove Strelkov and all their elite!
    xxxxx
    Sorry, I can laugh like normal people, but most people BELIEVE !!! They do not have access to various sources, including on the Internet. Because - Ukraine will become the center of Europe! Urr!
    This is how 20 will be repeated on all channels, and the next zombies are ready to fight the Russian invaders! Ugh !!!!
    1. +4
      11 August 2014 11: 19
      This is so, even if old women born in the USSR in Kiev are yelling about "m.s.k.a.l.yaku", which is needed - to Gilyak. fool
      1. 0
        12 August 2014 01: 49
        Quote: Lelek
        This is so, even if old women born in the USSR in Kiev are yelling about "m.s.k.a.l.yaku", which is needed - to Gilyak. fool


        Predator 2!
    2. -25
      11 August 2014 17: 20
      Does your son sit behind him in the rear, or take off his epaulettes and go to fight for Lugandon? But somehow he doesn’t fit in, your son gave the oath of allegiance to Ukraine, and you are listed as anti-Ukrainian marshals, do you have any conscience? As for losses, then they are always underestimated, but the Ukrainian army speaks in favor of the fact that it slowly but inexorably grinds bandiuk, despite all their heroic tales. If it would have been otherwise, today it was not Donetsk and Lugansk that were surrounded, but at least Kiev with Dnepropetrovsk.
      1. +3
        11 August 2014 17: 32
        Quote: Motors1991
        Does your son sit out in the rear, or took off his epaulettes and went to fight for Lugandon?

        this I understand purely virgin brains.
        I thought Svidomo already on the site

        and then where did you post it baby 7
        Tyrnet failed in the trenches?
        ukrovoin, sofa

        fat to heroes
        1. -18
          11 August 2014 20: 33
          Grandmother, I explain to you, stupid people like you, marshals, that until recently about 6,5-7 million people lived in the Donbass, potentially 10% of the population can be mobilized into the army of Lugandon, i.e. 650-700 thousand people. Such a number of soldiers would simply be bold to the Ukrainian army. But they could not mobilize either 10, 5, or even one percent, in reality 3-4 thousand people, maybe a little more. Now the question arises, with whom Are the Ukrainians fighting? And they are fighting with an alien rabble, mercenaries from Russia, Abkhazia, Ossetia, Serbia and God knows with whom. from what hangover are you all the Ukrainian army punitive, and murderers, sadists, marauders of thieves and drug addicts militias? I admit that a certain number of “ideological” were among them, but they ended long ago, now they are fighting only for money.
          1. +5
            11 August 2014 20: 51
            Quote: Motors1991
            You yourself, what troops did you write yourself in, Grandpa? For those stupid people like you, Marshals, I explain


            unlike Internetheroes - military unit 21005 - 94-95gg
            Well, the rest of your crap
            more than 40limons live in the ruin
            mobilization opportunities (according to your calculations) 4 million people
            however, your Svidomo leaders (completely chosen nationality) were able to row under a gun 35-40 000
            idiots
            and the rest (like you) began to actively tar from the performance of their civic duty
            the network is replete with messages about the unwillingness of Svidomo to defend "the integrity and independence of Nenki"
            Well, from fresh

            Not wanting to go to the "special operation" zone, the Ukrainian military raised a riot in Zaporozhye

            http://vz.ru/news/2014/8/11/699799.html

            Losses of security officers near Ilovaisk amounted to 500 people

            http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/252050-opolchenie-poteri-silovikov-pod-ilov

            ayskom-stavili-500-chelovek.html


            Do not want to join the ranks?

            (and here comes the first and the next)
            1. -4
              11 August 2014 22: 08
              Of course, I’m not a hero like you, but I served a little earlier, almost ten years. I was not in the hot spots, but the radiation at 86 hit pretty well. Mobilization is planned, no one naturally experiences joy, men go silently, like hard work .As for the losses of five hundred people, who won’t smoke so much. ATO forces in the entire Donbass are estimated at forty thousand, by the standards of World War II, these troops would have been enough to take the city of Slavyansk or Kramatorsk, but Donetsk and Lugansk would definitely not have been surrounded. All of these battalions The Aidars, the Dnieper and others do not exceed 100-150 people, in the usual sense this is the maximum company. So the destruction of 500 people at the same time can be compared with a breakthrough of the front, Illovaisk, Amvrosievka would have been taken and the attack would have gone to the deblockade of Donetsk. In reality, there is nothing of this and cannot be due to the weak density of the Ukrainian army and separatists.
              1. +2
                11 August 2014 23: 05
                Quote: Motors1991
                I'm certainly not a hero like you

                of course you are not a hero
                of your heroes you dig in bundles of excavators
                Well, about the war as hard work
                so your Svidomo prefer to work in Europe or Russia, and not bend over on the Donbas

                and by the way, and not in your Transcarpathia, a bolt was scored to mobilize
                Quote: Motors1991
                Forces of anti-terrorist operation in all Donbass are estimated at forty thousand

                Chezh so little then?
                see on the Maidan to ride and burn unarmed people, so Svidomo enough, and to meet an armed enemy face to face - her, better to continue to ride on the Maidan
                well, and it’s not too late for you to join the ranks
                at the worst send your son there, by age he must be suitable

                Quote: Motors1991
                So the destruction of 500 people at a time can be compared with a breakthrough of the front

                so you didn’t believe that in the eastern cauldron your number was stolen in 2,5-3000 bodies

                Source: Surrounded by the Donbass missing or died 3,5 thousand Ukrainian military
                http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/251953-ukraina-yuzhnyy-razgrom.html


                We are waiting for the announcement of super-total mobilization
          2. strelok93rus
            +2
            11 August 2014 22: 32
            AND HOW MANY CLOWN HEREERS DO YOU HAVE ??? THE AMERICAN PMC CHE SHE BREATHED IN THE WEST OF UKRAINE PODALSHE. WHO ARE Fighting Near You: Poles, Lithuanians, Georgians. VOYAK KHEROV. HERE COUNT HOW MANY YOU KILLED YOUR PEOPLE IN THE GORGE OF THE WARRIOR? AND NOW SIMPLY IMAGINE THAT THE "SMERCH" UNIT WATCHES IN THE CITY WHERE YOU LIVE, COUNT AND COUNT HOW MANY CHILDREN AND OLD MEN. TRYING TO OPEN YOUR EYES HERE? YOURSELF? OR READING NEWS AND RUNNING TO REPORT ?! REPORT THAT THE "NATSGUARD" IS A SCISSOR. THE OPERATING TEAMS REMAINED ONLY WITH KOLOMOYSKY. THE REST SENT TO SLAUGHTER.
          3. 0
            11 August 2014 23: 23
            And here is the mobilization, all these formations on a voluntary basis. Ukraine is mobilizing, of course, according to the law, but still by force. To be honest, I support the actions of our leadership, but if anything, then I am not particularly eager to get under mobilization. Not all "wars "As you are. As for the grandmas, the grandmas leave a fat trail, and if it is as you say, it will be revealed. By the way, probably the money is paid a little or the soldiers of fortune are all extinct.
      2. +4
        11 August 2014 20: 41
        Well, I look and you have the title of "anti-Ukrainian". I wanted to ask such an individual for a long time - what wrong did the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk personally do to you?
        And what would you do if you burned your house, killed your family? Do you think the southeast residents will forget everything and live with you as if there was nothing?
        1. -6
          11 August 2014 21: 49
          I live 160 km from Donetsk, now we have a full city of refugees from Donbass, my good friend recently arrived, left everything, an apartment, a job and left, taking with him only what fit in the car and there are hundreds of them in our city. I will not retell all their stories, but these people are only waiting for one when this trash will be thrown out of the Donbass. Many of them honestly admit that they went to a referendum. So I know a little bit better about the situation that is happening in Donbass than YOU. I’ll add that no one in us feels hatred for the Donetsk and Luhansk residents, everyone understands that this is a misfortune and a misfortune for everyone, for the whole of Ukraine, but nobody builds any illusions, from where we blow the wind KNOW,
          1. strelok93rus
            0
            11 August 2014 22: 36
            AND ANOTHER 500000 ARRIVED IN RUSSIA. THIS IS THE WHOLE CITY! In Kiev, destroyed the city and a couple of villages. AND THE EYE DID NOT BLIND. AND YOU HERE AGREE.
          2. +1
            12 August 2014 08: 08
            I’ll also add that no one has hatred for the Donetsk people and Luhansk residents not experiencing ...

            Then why do you call Lugansk - Lugandon?
      3. strelok93rus
        +1
        11 August 2014 22: 23
        Motors1991, you still do not understand that you and the Ukrainian army were sold long ago for shale gas. And you stupid people will not understand that you have a CIVIL WAR. DO NOT NEED PEOPLE? NEED A TERRITORY FOR DEVELOPMENT !!!!! YOU ARE DESTROYING CITIES WITH HALES, THEY ARE NOT RESTORED, BUT THE TOWER STEPS. WHILE YOU "DOWNLOAD" YOU WILL GET BABLO IN KIEV. Dumbass
      4. Artem1967
        +1
        11 August 2014 22: 41
        You need to have some courage to make such speeches on this site.
        Small merit for the regular army, taking advantage of the overwhelming advantage in men and technology, to compress the ring around Donetsk and Lugansk. What's next? As the Germans starved Leningrad, so will you starve Donetsk and Lugansk? And what will happen to your army if Russia still considers it appropriate to take the protection of the inhabitants of Donetsk and Lugansk? All this is the road to nowhere. We need negotiations, we need to give the people of Donbass freedom of choice.
      5. +1
        11 August 2014 23: 29
        Quote: Motors1991
        she slowly but inexorably grinds bandiuk,

        Bandyukov, b ... b!? What kind of bandyukov !? You, a man with an empty skull. Against YOUR Bandyukov, the PEOPLE and their sympathizers who have joined them are at war. Volunteers. YOUR, ABSOLUTELY lying media and other Internet resources, scream about "special forces GRU and other subdivisions of the Russian Armed Forces ", which allegedly are fighting in the South-East. If it were really so, then Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk (at least) would not be surrounded, but taken.
        Quote: Motors1991
        she slowly but inexorably grinds

        She slowly but inexorably degrades and receives corpses.
      6. 0
        12 August 2014 02: 19
        there are far from all bandits, like some punishers in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It’s just a rehearsal of the civil war, and if there are fights between supporters of the Cathedral and supporters of the Russian Federation who basically just didn’t accept the Maidan, then the war will start later I will say so red-blue with white-yellow. in general terms. Although I hope that I'm wrong.
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  33. Janis S.U.
    +13
    11 August 2014 11: 33
    Responsibility for the shedding of Slavic blood lies with the States and their puppet cellars ...
  34. +6
    11 August 2014 11: 52
    It is quite significant that Stalingrad is mentioned twice in the comments. And it is no coincidence. That victory was not only military, but also psychological. After the defeat on the Volga in Germany, there was a hangover from easy victories. In Ukraine now the story is the same: nothing is more sobering than the sight of your son in a coffin. There is a reason to ask the question: "For what? For what ideals? For whose interests? The cost and means are worth it?"

    I would like to believe that neo-Nazis will not cross the Donbass Volga.

    "Our cause is just, victory will be ours, the enemy will be defeated!"
    I.V. Stalin, 1941
  35. +2
    11 August 2014 11: 55
    The time will come, and all this pravosekovskaya junta will be judged. How many peaceful people have been laid down and how many soldiers have been fighting in battle, everyone will remember the goblins.
  36. +2
    11 August 2014 12: 16
    It is simply amazing how you can grow millions of sheep from the country's population in 20 years, so that you can make meat from them at hour X. Probably everyone is standing there: the former presidents of Ukraine and how sad the people themselves are .. A strange thing is life. tribute to America for all these types of successful tasks, but only they will return to them.
  37. tokin1959
    +1
    11 August 2014 12: 22
    the junta is not considered to be a loss; it crushes and crushes, judging by the map - the situation is very difficult

    http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kot_ivanov/71733898/13815/13815_original.jpg
  38. +1
    11 August 2014 12: 42
    Quote: Hawk2014
    Quote: Sledgehammer
    for example, the Nazis lost 1.5 million people in the Battle of Stalingrad

    A huge exaggeration. All losses of the Wehrmacht claimed in 2,2 million people throughout the war. It is doubtful that 2/3 of the casualties occurred in one battle, even the largest one.
    And about the Ukrainian losses - from a purely military point of view - they are acceptable, given the complete unpreparedness of the Ukrainian army. Well, from the political one, it’s V. Geletey who knows better and it’s up to him to decide what the loss limit should be.

    Irrevocable losses of the Wehrmacht total 10405978 of which sanitary 5224875 (disabled). The dead and missing 5181103. This is on all three fronts. Data from the German archives.
  39. +1
    11 August 2014 13: 19
    + cat hippo: Civil war as in 1918 ... 1922 in the Russian Empire. Who has won? Reds? Well yes. As a result, part of the imperial territories was "pissed off" and convinced monarchists and intellectuals (basically patriots and educated people) broke away from Russia. The atrocities in terms of volume and "brutality" were similar to the current ones in the Ukrainian ATO. "Beasts" of civil times were tried? No! I think now there are not many chances for a trial. The battles are not over yet, it's too early to sum up. But the court is needed to condemn fascism and violence against people in general for the whole world. Only chances, IMHO, not much ...
  40. +2
    11 August 2014 13: 44
    And what do you want from hohloschitel? Something neither in Lviv nor anywhere else, they do not shout the war’s hare, but on the contrary, they demand the rotation of troops, nor the sons of the oligarchs and deputies fight. No one stutters even to end this massacre. And they do not call this fratricidal war. Either the brains are blown this way or they think so without rinsing. Until this electorate stops thinking like that or they are not killed by all, this massacre will not end. And it will end they will not give hominoids from fascistton. Weak hope that Eurojopia will change its mind, it seems they are starting to look from different directions, but not everyone believes. And Ukrainians are plasticine, from which the Amerizos mold idiots ready to jump on their bayonets with their belly. In truth, they decided to overwhelm everything with corpses and then stink. Along the way, until the army rebels, this chaos in hochlopopia is going on.
  41. 0
    11 August 2014 13: 52
    the dill zapadenensky people (color of ukronization) the militia has crumbled into salad already unmeasured, the zapadenki do not even guess about their quantity, the ATO will end today, and they will be expected in families, but they won’t wait for sure, then there will really be a human tsunami and one Maidan in Kiev for sure Poroshenko and other fascist scum will not get off, then there will already be a liberating cleansing war ... hi
  42. 0
    11 August 2014 14: 21
    It turns out that if the Ukrainian mothers, fathers and so on, would not receive news that as a result of the anti-terrorist operation, their sons, husbands and so on would die ... would they be happy? Let everyone else die? In general, the position of the population of a vast territory is not understandable .. what is going on with the brains there? 4 million people .. how many of these half-man of them?
  43. wanderer_032
    +1
    11 August 2014 14: 39
    In social networks, dill trolls are simply choking with rage and anger.
    They spread the video where the remains of 79 Ambr, arrived in Nikolaev and presented it as entering the front line of the Ukrainian army in the southeast.



    They promise us to show a bad mother, etc., etc. In general, the flywheel of dill continues to fool people.
  44. +3
    11 August 2014 15: 53
    Somehow like this...
  45. +3
    11 August 2014 18: 13
    Disposal of an unnecessary population. There is nothing to feed them, there is no work for them. They have neither education nor profession. After working on the Maidan, they are no longer needed and even dangerous for the new authorities.
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  47. +1
    11 August 2014 18: 58
    News from the militia of New Russia
    Tabular "Summary of the loss of drugs, armored vehicles and sun banderlogov last week: August 04 - August 10 2014 g."
  48. 0
    11 August 2014 20: 04
    As usual in a civil war, losses will only become a little clearer after the end of hostilities. On the part of the ukrov, the relatives of those mobilized will look for the "missing", those actually killed. But the loss of the militia and local residents will not be possible even then.
  49. +1
    11 August 2014 20: 16
    Well, nothing ... that’s a little easier ...

    http://russian.rt.com/article/44897

    Vladimir Putin: Russia sends humanitarian convoy to Ukraine

    Russian President Vladimir Putin in a telephone conversation with European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said that the Russian side, in cooperation with the Red Cross, is sending a humanitarian convoy to Ukraine. Putin assessed the causes of the crisis in this country. The conversation focused on the catastrophic consequences of the military operation carried out by the Kiev authorities in the southeastern regions and the need for urgent delivery of humanitarian aid to the conflict zone, the Kremlin press service notes.
    1. 0
      11 August 2014 20: 56
      Quote: Dali
      Vladimir Putin: Russia sends humanitarian convoy to Ukraine

      all this has (among other things) another purpose
      during the escort convoy, it will be (accidentally) attacked. not necessarily even with victims
      as a result, the following convoys will be guarded by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
      and there is not far from the introduction of troops

      at least I HOPE
      otherwise New Russia kirdyk
  50. 0
    11 August 2014 20: 49
    And how many feces left behind ...
    Although feces are the smallest.
    I don’t understand: why are they dressed like gopniks?
  51. Galandr
    0
    11 August 2014 21: 27
    Один из карателей пишет:
    Позорнейшее поражение

    «От 2 до 5 снайперов-сепаров держали „Азов“ и „Шахтерск“, позорнейшее поражение», - рассказ карателя о бое под Иловайском

    “They returned after the battle. Shameful defeat.
    In short, it is sad when patriots try to compensate for the lack of military education with zeal. A shameful attempt to storm Ilovaisk.
    Azov, Shakhtersk and the army together tried to take Ilovaisk. The army, a paradox (!), Worked out brilliantly. The entire battalion mess flashed brightly.
    Army artillery gave wrong coordinates. They instantly and conscientiously plowed a completely empty area. The assault began - untouched bunkers.
    They brilliantly built people in two columns (!), Closed the columns with support vehicles (!!!) - and led them on the bunkers in the forehead. In the separas they were laughing at us.
    Ahead of our columns was the BMP. The only one who completed his task. Until the gun jammed. And then we lay down in the grass.
    From two to a maximum of five separ snipers were kept by Azov and Shakhtersk — three hundred people — a kilometer from Ilovaysk. No one could raise his head.
    Heavy weapons zero. BPM died. The Azov cliff (heavy machine gun) broke in the same way. Do not get them with a machine. Impossible. We just didn’t see them!
    Our snipers patriots thrashed like machine guns from their SVD. She hits with aim - 800 (meters). In skillful hands. Not ours. They kept us - at least in 1000 (meters).
    The separs realized who they were dealing with. A couple of groups almost with harmonica came to us on the flank. Now they began to beat us already crosswise.
    We have communications - 9 walkie-talkies per battalion. There are no common waves with either the army or neighbors.
    I personally kept a group of sunflowers in sight, and along the chain (!) I tried to find out whether my own or others. Yellow marker tapes in sunflowers - smart.
    I have never experienced such a shame as in this battle. Are we punishers ?! Yes, we’re moose. Makhnovschina. No weapons, no communications, no education.
    And then mortars hit us. Do not hit the first salvo. There was no second. There was no one to beat. The Ukrainian team would not be ashamed of such a run.
    Total. Torn from laughter bellies bellows. 4 of a corpse in Donbass, 3 - in Azov, 6 - seriously wounded. This is what I saw personally. Not a single enemy killed. ”

    Кстати, это уже не первые жалобы солдат хунты на то, что у ополченцев более дальнобойные снайперские винтовки, с неделю назад аналогичные жалобы поступали из под Саур-Могилы.
    Самое интересное, что на видео и фото, которые мелькают в сети, чего-то более современного нежели СВД не мелькало.
    Странно только, что они послали пехоту в атаку с одним БМП, несколько танков и бронемашин вполне решают проблему прорыва обороны удерживаемой огнем снайперов.
  52. +1
    11 August 2014 22: 02
    Сегодня в Киеве. Сижу в кафе, пью квас, смотрю новости, диктор рассказывает про ато, и объявляет, что за время его проведения, погибло 560 военнослужащих и около 2500 ранено. Начинаю считать, ато идёт 3 месяца почти, если снайпер, в среднем, в день, будет уничтожать по ОДНОМУ украинскому военнослужащему, то за три месяца он настреляет около 90 человек, тогда делим 560 на 90 и получаем, что у ополченцев, ведёт войну всего 6-7 снайперов! Если с ранеными посчитать, то 35! Дёшево и сердито!
  53. 0
    12 August 2014 09: 54
    Свидомый патриотизм
  54. 0
    12 August 2014 10: 05
    Какая короткая память у всех этих укроповских недобитков! Или они надеяться ВСЕ свалить потом за океан? Кому вы там на хрен нужны!!!
    Кони и коровы по вашим трупам будут гулять!!! Собаки да вороны будут дожирать!!!
  55. Алексей Чугунов
    0
    12 August 2014 15: 04
    Очень трудная жизнь ждёт оставшихся карателей. Те что в котле перейдут на территорию России, а позже если вернутся на Украину попадут под суд за "дезертирство". А те что остались воевать на юго-востоке в скором времени, либо погибнут, либо перейдут на сторону ополчения, если конечно образумятся. Грядёт провал АТО, а украинцы верят что всё прекрасно.
  56. Crang
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    13 August 2014 08: 11
    Они говорят что будут воевать пока не уничтожат всех русских. Маленькое уточнение. Они будут воевать до тех пор пока не подохнут все до единого. А русские как жили, так и будут жить.

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