Presidents of Russia, Armenia and Azerbaijan discuss the settlement of the Karabakh crisis

A meeting of the heads of three states took place in Sochi: Russia, Armenia and Azerbaijan. On the eve, Russian President Vladimir Putin held separate meetings with Serzh Sargsyan and Ilham Aliyev at which issues of the Karabakh settlement were discussed. Today, the discussion of this hottest topic continued in a trilateral format, as reported official site President of Russia.

The presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan during the meeting noted that there are several formats for negotiations on the Karabakh crisis, but so far these formats do not lead to a positive result. The conflict was too long and does not contribute to the full development of the region. Both Aliyev and Sargsyan stated that it is the Russian Federation that should play a special role in the process of peaceful settlement of the situation around Nagorno-Karabakh.

Vladimir Putin spoke in the spirit that the main thing in resolving the longstanding conflict is the good will of two peoples (the people of Armenia and the people of Azerbaijan):

I am pleased to state that the President of Azerbaijan also drew attention to the need to solve the problem peacefully, and you (the President of Armenia - comment “IN”) have now spoken about this. This is actually the most important thing, because there is no greater tragedy than the death of people.
And yet, we must proceed from the fact that the conflict situation has developed a long time ago, we got from the past, got more, one can say and need to say, as a legacy of the Soviet Union. And we must show patience, wisdom, and respect for each other in order to find this solution. Of course, any difficult situation can be resolved if there is goodwill.

For reference: Nagorno-Karabakh (Nagorno-Karabakh Republic) is a republic with a population of about 150 thousand people, proclaiming the independence of 2 September 1991 of the year. The territory of the republic is a component of the territory of the former NKAO (the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region of the Azerbaijan SSR) and the territory of the Shahumyan region of the Azerbaijan SSR. The predominant population is Armenians (99%). NKR has permanent representative offices in Russia, Armenia, USA, Canada, Germany, Lebanon and Australia. The uncertain status of the NKR leads to a confrontation between Yerevan and Baku.

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[tomket]

Off-topic: DONETSK, 10 Aug - RIA Novosti. A detachment of militiamen from the city of Gorlovka under the command of Igor Bezler (call sign "Bes") attacked a column of Ukrainian security forces between Gorlovka and Donetsk, RIA Novosti was told at the headquarters of the Gorlovka militia. The column tried to gain a foothold in the area of ​​the Yasinovatsky post and the warehouse of grocery stores "ATB" on the highway between Gorlovka and Donetsk to cut the connection between the two cities.

“More than 20 pieces of equipment were destroyed, including three tanks and armored jeeps,” the militia said. The militias do not report the death toll during the clash.

[VICTOR-61]

Thanks for the news, but I thought everything was so bad that there is little information on New Russia

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Well, God forbid ... Let's decide there is enough to fight! You can’t arrange a massacre now for the joy of the West.

[1812 1945]

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, God forbid ... Let's decide there is enough to fight! You can’t arrange a massacre now for the joy of the West.

As for the NKAO, that is, there is one real way out for all self-determined state formations and those who are dissatisfied with this, for the first time: everyone to join the Eurasian Union, forget about the Soviet subjectivity of nations in the administrative-territorial division, in order to one day "explode" , destroying a single state and causing many human casualties.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: 1812 1945

As for the NKAR, there is one real way out for all self-determined state formations and dissatisfied with this, for the first time: to all join the Eurasian Union,

This is the best option ...! (For this I wrote that it takes time ..)

[Shoma-1970]

There will never be a full peace, for neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan will nearly yield to each other, as long as there is Russia there will be no war either.

[Revolver]

Quote: Shoma-1970

as long as there is Russia, there will be no war either.

Unfortunately, there can always be a "hot head" on the other side that will take the first shot. And then incrementally, and the Russian Federation (or anyone else) may simply not have time to intervene. Although this war is objectively not needed by anyone. Well, maybe except for some people on both sides of the front who are making careers and / or business in this sluggish war.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Shoma-1970

There will never be a full peace, for neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan will nearly yield to each other, as long as there is Russia there will be no war either.

You're right..! There hatred lasts for centuries or more .. Here we fought with the Germans (the first and second) 30 million .. But there is no hatred for some reason We broke the back of fascism! Although now it’s very disappointing .. again they betrayed us (for everything that we did for them) Well, okay ...

[APASUS]

Quote: Shoma-1970

There will never be a full peace, for neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan will nearly yield to each other, as long as there is Russia there will be no war either.

I don’t think that the Armenians or Azerbaijanis want this war, no matter what their hot heads.
Another thing is that the United States needs to connect Russia as much as possible with problems, wars, sanctions, and war in this region is necessary for mattresses like air.
Now, if Putin manages to prevent war here (I’m not saying to reconcile and solve the problem of this region), then consider the Americans again by clicking their slippers on the face.

[Same lech]

To create a neutral territory in the conflict area under the impartial administration of an administration not involved in the conflict for a certain period of time, followed by extension if necessary ... the will of the conflicting parties is needed for this .... this is my proposal to resolve the long-standing conflict.

[tigran2]

Once there was Stalin’s division, squeezing Armenians from Nakhichevan, where there is not a single Armenian now. Maybe it’s beneficial somewhere in Russia, but there will be no repetition.

[Rostov]

How do you explain the fact that almost 200000 Russians now live in Azerbaijan, and just over 10000 remain in Armenia?
Is it also beneficial for Russia?

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: Rostov

How do you explain the fact that almost 200000 Russians now live in Azerbaijan, and just over 10000 remain in Armenia?
Is it also beneficial for Russia?

So, many Russians never lived in Armenia. Life is harsh there. Of the Russians there were mainly those who were on duty or who were forcibly exiled - Molokans, for example, live there even now. Unlike Baku, which was still large in tsarist Russia regional center of trade and oil production. There, half of the city was not Azerbaijanis.
The Russian village of Violetovo in Armenia:

[225chay]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

So in Armenia there have never been many Russians, and life is harsh.

Hmmm!
Either the Armenians praise their sunny Yerevan, or suddenly life turns out to be harsh there ...
Even in favorable Soviet times, some of my friends happened to serve in Armenia and more arrogant nationalists than the indigenous people did not see anywhere!
Double queues: that is, for one type of people and for another, insults based on ethnicity, direct proposals "to bring them to your Russia ..."
But Armenia subsidized the USSR very well, they themselves did not produce a damn good for the country as a whole.
And now, when the Armenians were the very first in the USSR to claim sovereignty and finally achieved what they wanted after they were left without electricity, gas and other goods, they burst into it and doused everyone around and rushed to this very Russia that they hated.
And now, it was not clear where they had come from that they began to buy housing in prestigious and warm places, build palaces, drive expensive cars, brazenly violating DD rules, insulting the indigenous people surviving them from their homes, saying that this land was ours and leading to an example established by them is KHACHKARS. In general, they sat down on the neck of the Russian people and demanding a special attitude towards themselves, not forgetting to periodically kick and spit on the indigenous population

[genisis]

Here is what the distribution of Russians in the republics of the USSR looked like according to the 1979 census (the proportion of Russians to the total population of the union republic is indicated in brackets):

1) RSFSR - 113.521.900 (82,6%)

2) Ukrainian SSR - 10.471.600 (21,1%)

3) Kazakh SSR - 5.991.200 (40,8%)

4) Uzbek SSR - 1.665.700 (10,8%)

5) Belarusian SSR - 1.134.100 (11,9%)

6) Kyrgyz SSR - 911.700 (25,9%)

7) Latvian SSR - 821.500 (32,8%)

8) Moldavian SSR - 505.700 (12,8%)

9) Azerbaijan SSR - 475.300 (7,9%)

10) Estonian SSR - 408.800 (27,9%)

11) Tajik SSR -395.100 (10,4%)

12) Georgian SSR - 371.600 (7,4%)

13) Turkmen SSR - 349.200 (12,6%)

14) Lithuanian SSR - 303.500 (8,9%)

15) Armenian SSR - 70.300 (2,3%).

As we see, of all the union republics, the smallest number of Russians was in Armenia. This is due to the fact that the Armenian SSR was the only non-Slavic republic in which scientific and technical workers, engineers and specialists working in various research institutes, universities and enterprises, as a rule, were representatives of the titular nation. For Muslims, the situation was the opposite. The bad and disgusting side of the USSR was that the economies of the Muslim republics and autonomies of the Soviet Union parasitized on highly qualified Russian personnel.

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: 225chay

225chay

How many times did Kaitargansky make you?

[Cadet787]

Many dear presidents, because you and I were born in the same country, lived together for a long time and are therefore fraternal peoples, there really hasn’t been anything left that unites your peoples, look for a compromise, not a clash, because war is dirt, blood and sorrow . The war between our peoples rejoice only overseas enemies and their geyropovskih partners. So may reason prevail and peace between your peoples come.

[Tyumen]

Yes, I noticed, you Meehan, that here, that there, are calling for a quick decision.
Are you an Ukrainian oligarch?

[supertiger21]

Quote: VICTOR-61

Thanks for the news, but I thought everything was so bad that there is little information on New Russia

The successes of the Ukrainian army, which lasted from July 1-5, were stopped after a grouping of Ukrainian troops of 5 thousand soldiers, consisting of 3 brigades and 1 regiment, were taken into a cauldron on the border of the DPR with Russia. only 15-20% of the original number remained. Thus, only about 1000 Ukrainian soldiers escaped from the "southern cauldron". The rest of the 3500-4000 punishers were missing, killed, deserted, etc.
Thus, there are successes on the part of the militias.

[Watchman]

In the contact there is a group "Summaries of the Novorossiya militia", where you can find out the latest information.

[rhd]

I join! I waited too! There is around-darkness and constant permutations inside. HZ-maybe it’s necessary, but more frequent! The situation is not so hot ...

[Salamander]

And today the militiamen were walking, walking and suddenly they see: a column! They think: give me a bum! 5 cars burned, one remained. We decided to examine it. And in the Javelina's car! The Americans are delivering humanitarian aid. Good, fell into those hands.

[1812 1945]

Quote: tomket

A detachment of militias from the city of Gorlovka under the command of Igor Bezler (call sign "Bes") attacked a column of Ukrainian security forces between Gorlovka and Donetsk

Quote: tomket

“Over 20 pieces of equipment were destroyed, including three tanks and armored jeeps,”

Here it is, just - very much on the topic !!!

[Giant thought]

It would be very good if the presidents found a peaceful solution to this problem. Nobody needs war.

[Civil]

Armenians and Azerbaijanis will never be able to agree. Due to the mentality. Where close Ukrainians and Russians won’t hate each other.

[Tyumen]

Quote: Civil

Where close Ukrainians and Russians won’t hate each other.

I think that Russians could cast aside today's hatred of Ukrainians, because we are quick-witted, but Svidomo hate us with animal, fierce hatred, bordering on madness. I am not a doctor, but I think they are incurable. A quarter of a century of brainwashing and pumping anger towards Russia mother can not beat out nothing. Military success Strelkova I.V. I hope our president will be able to help the two peoples living nearby not to unleash the next massacre in the Caucasus on the planet. To the rest of the world in fun as interesting news.

[MAXIMUS]

Quote: Civil

Armenians and Azerbaijanis will never be able to agree. Due to the mentality. Where close Ukrainians and Russians won’t hate each other.

Why can’t they? It is necessary to oblige the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan to recognize the results of the referendum. As the people of Nagorno-Karabakh vote, so be it. And Russia will act as the guarantor of the legality of the referendum and the will of the people according to its results.

[ayyildiz]

Quote: MAXIMUS

As the people of Nagorno-Karabakh vote, so be it.

Did the Armenians leave Azerbaijanis there?

[tigran2]

There would be no tragic Sumgayit and Baku events, military operation ,, Ring ,,, Shaumyan’s cleansing of Armenian villages, maybe they would leave

[andj61]

Quote: MAXIMUS

It is necessary to oblige the leaders of Armenia and Azerbaijan to recognize the results of the referendum. As the people of Nagorno-Karabakh vote, so be it. And Russia will act as the guarantor of the legality of the referendum and the will of the people according to its results.

Nothing happens! Now there is no Azerbaijani population there, only Armenians. And it’s quite clear how they vote. The conflict will not solve such a vote, but only deepen it.
I think this issue should be left to the descendants to resolve, and now agree as follows:
1. All the lands of Azerbaijan proper occupied by the Armenian troops - immediately return to Azerbaijan.
2. The territory of Karabakh is transferred under the joint management of the administration, headed by two authoritative people, one from Armenia, the other from Azerbaijan. Police forces should obey them, it is better if they are not from this region, i.e. absolutely neutral: Vietnam, Nepal, Cuba, Israel, etc. All issues must be decided by consensus.
3. The decision on the issue of affiliation and status of Karabakh is passed on to descendants - after 50 or 100 years.
4. Armenia and Azerbaijan establish normal relations, the border is unblocked.
This agreement is beneficial to Azerbaijan: the occupied territories are returned to it, there is no need to shed blood for the territory practically devoid of mineral resources and fertile land, breaking through the defense prepared for many years. Karabakh also does not remain with Armenia, but is managed jointly.
Armenia also benefits from this agreement. There is no need to wage a senseless war with Azerbaijan, which is dynamically developing and strengthening its army, which has many more resources for waging such a war. In addition, the border is unblocked, which makes it possible to somehow begin to develop Armenia.
How do you like this option?
I ask you to criticize, but constructively my proposal, especially by people from these Transcaucasian republics.

[Daniz]

not a bad option, but there is one "nuance" - point 2!
The Armenians will not give the NKAO to Azerbaijan for the settlement and joint management of THESE LAND (not for this, by hook or by crook, for a quarter of a century they "sucked" military protection from Russia for their country ...)

[TURKISH]

Azerbaijan offered more, Armenia did not agree.

[genisis]

The option is not acceptable.
1) Why should the Armenians give something to Azerbaijan, which lost in the war itself?
2) The first and most important condition is the establishment of peace !!!! Those. withdrawal of a sniper and the cessation of sabotage by Azerbaijan. And only after a lasting peace can we proceed to further negotiations. Villages are fired daily! Yesterday, in Aygepar, shooting armor-piercing incendiary, Azerbaijani Askari burnt two houses. Harvest is impossible to harvest.
3) Before the referendum of 1991, 15000 Azerbaijanis per 100000 Armenians lived in Nagorno-Karabakh. On what principle should joint management be implemented? 50/50?
4) How much can this question be passed on to descendants? The initial resolution of the issue was the plenum of the Bureau of the Bureau in the 1920s. Since then, everyone passed this question on to their descendants until they decided it on their own in 1991.
Sargsyan said correctly, with a malicious smile of a person who went through that war from and to, looking at the Baku major, who in 1992-1994 was losing family money in a casino in Istanbul: “And if we return to the events of the early 90s, then I think that, on the one hand, it will be good, but, on the other hand, maybe something will drag on ... "

[genisis]

The people of Nagorno-Karabakh have already voted in 1991.

[225chay]

Quote: Civil

Where close Ukrainians and Russians won’t hate each other.

This cannot be said about the whole nation.
Yes, provocateurs work tirelessly.
Work on bleeding brothers is in full swing!
Bilderberg plans are being implemented somewhere ...

[225chay]

Quote: Civil

Armenians and Azerbaijanis will never be able to agree

Yes, they can, because there are no problems, except that Armenia needs to return Karabakh to its rightful owner and gain its broad autonomy there.

[genisis]

As wide as that of Talysh, lysgins, Avars and other indigenous peoples of Azerbaijan?

[subbtin.725]

And we must show patience, wisdom, respect for each other

any difficult situations can be resolved if there is goodwill.

Golden words that should be poked on the forehead of these abnormal maydaun leaders in Ukraine. But unfortunately, they will probably not leave their heads inadequate. This can not be treated with a strap .., only with hot iron.

[Phantom Revolution]

I will join off-topic, but a rather interesting and robust review from the Germans.

[pacifist_79]

about all this did not tolerate!
why not offer any SUCH A NATIONAL IDEA? it’s obvious that the Nazis, forgive the Americans, want to unite all of humanity, though under their control, completely ignoring the characteristics of nationalities and the characteristics of state formations

[Sour]

Quote: pacifist_79

why not offer any SUCH A NATIONAL IDEA?

Communism, liberalism, radical Islamism are typical supranational ideas.
The whole problem is that there is little to suggest a supranational idea, it will have to be imposed by force - wars, repressions, etc.
It has always been that way. Even the most beautiful idea becomes complete bullshit when it begins to be imposed on people.

[kare]

If a belligerent yurope gets into a fight with us, then I think there will be no more China or mattresses (naive, they think to sit behind Akiyan) or anyone else.
But the film is not bad, made several reposts in social networks, and sent it to friends (still friends) over the hill. They don’t listen to us, maybe they will listen to the German

[GRAY]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

I will join off-topic, but a rather interesting and robust review from the Germans.

But indeed, America is a sect in which Ukraine has already entered.

Signs of a totalitarian sect.

If friendly strangers come up to you and invite you to a new company for you, be careful: how would you not get into one of the totalitarian sects.

Here are some signs of totalitarian sects:

1. The group will offer you the exact recipe for success or happiness just for you.

2. Already the first meeting opens for you a completely new outlook on things.

3. The teaching of the group is extremely simple and explains any problem.

4. The teaching of the group is considered the only true, eternal knowledge. Traditional science, rational thinking, reason are rejected as satanic, false.

5. You should not reflect on the teachings of the group. Your new friends say: “It is impossible to explain, come to us - do you have to survive this?” .

6. Criticism from the outside is considered extra evidence of the correctness of the group.

7. The world is heading for disaster, and only the group knows how to save it.

8. A group is favorites. The rest of humanity is dying: after all, it does not belong to the group or does not allow it to save itself.

9. You must become a member of the group immediately.

10. The group separates itself from the rest of the world, for example, with clothing, food, a special language, clear regulation of behavior and interpersonal relationships.

11. The group requires absolute observance of its rules and discipline, as this is the only way to salvation.

12. The intimate life of group members is regulated by the leadership: it prescribes complete abstinence or selects partners.

13. The group fills all your time with tasks: selling books or newspapers, recruiting new members, attending courses, meditating ...
14. Does the group want you to rip yours? old? relationships, as they impede your development.

15. It is very difficult for you to be left alone, someone from the group is always nearby.

16. If you begin to doubt the teachings of the group, because the promised success does not come, then you will always find yourself guilty, because you supposedly do not work enough on yourself or have little faith

[ayyildiz]

If off topic why write here? It is necessary to delete something that is off topic ADMIN! Few branches where it is written about Ukraine? Just to get +

[kare]

ayyildiz EU Today, 18: 48 ↑

If off topic why write here? It is necessary to delete something that is off topic ADMIN! Few branches where it is written about Ukraine? Just to get +

And you generally from which country, such a greyhound? Your rag doesn't tell me anything like that.
There is such news that each of us is ready to watch and listen to on any branch.
A plus or minus, not your geyropeyskoe business. Without snotty we will understand

[ayyildiz]

Quote: kare

not your gay business.

Are you sure that it is my flag? And not a gift from admins?

[kare]

How can the admin attach this footcloth to you? By past your desire? Enlighten, and I'll take back some of the words and apologize

[Yeraz]

Quote: kare

And you generally from which country, such a greyhound? Your rag doesn't tell me anything like that.

Eee stupidity suffered admit a mistake. A branch on another topic you stick your own, which is already the most discussed.

[kare]

I didn’t shove anything into this branch. In addition to komenty to someone else's post. You must be careful before demonstrating your stupidity

[tomket]

Quote: ayyildiz

If off topic why write here? It is necessary to delete something that is off topic ADMIN! Few branches where it is written about Ukraine? Just to get +

Today there was no operational news on the topic of the militia, which is why it is discussed here. Don’t be a hook-maker in the end.) And if you are still a pedant to the marrow of bones, then consider this news and news off-topic, as a general stream of reports from the fronts of the confrontation between the West and Russia).

[ayyildiz]

Quote: tomket

, therefore, it is discussed here.

Not a place! Should all discussions about Ukraine be deleted!

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: ayyildiz

If off topic why write here? It is necessary to delete something that is off topic ADMIN! Few branches where it is written about Ukraine? Just to get +

I’m on the + side, I want to convey the material, and the fresher the topic, the more people will see this material. To put + or -, the choice of each person individually.
Time to sit on the site is not very much.

[omsbon]

If the Armenians are 99%, then let them live in Armenia. It seems logical to me!

[svp67]

Quote: omsbon

If the Armenians are 99%, then let them live in Armenia. It seems logical to me!

The trouble is that in many countries there are similar situations and not all of them will be delighted with the solution of these issues so ...

[supertiger21]

May God grant a peaceful solution to the Karabakh conflict! I hope Azerbaijan and Armenia, with our assistance, will find a compromise in solving this problem, ending a century of hostility among themselves.

[Finches]

It is already very good that the heads of state of Azerbaijan and Armenia met and that the President of Russia became a third party!
That at least the Pin.sy courts do not climb with their "peacekeeping activities"!

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: omsbon

If the Armenians are 99%, then let them live in Armenia. It seems logical to me!

Yes, this is the territory where Armenians have been living for millennia, I don’t understand the subject of the dispute, it’s just as usual that it shuts up the Muslims, they happen, not because they are bad, just a young religion, passionate ...

[andj61]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

and this is the territory where Armenians have been living for millennia, I don’t understand the subject of the dispute, it’s just as usual that it shuts up the Muslims, they happen, not because they are bad, just a young religion, passionate ...

Both Armenians and Azerbaijanis live there for a very, very long time. And the Azerbaijanis were in the Armenian state, and the Armenians in the Azerbaijani, both of them under the rule of the Persians, Ottoman or Russia.
There are no right and guilty people, there is no clear border between peoples. And the current borders were established in the 20s. First, Karabakh was in Armenia, then transferred to Azerbaijan. Where whose historical territory is impossible to establish, both peoples will be right in their claims.

[Daniz]

in the 15th century, with the actin growth of the Persian Khanate, the lands around Lake Van (approx. northwestern Iran), where the original lands of the Armenians were, began to oppress them. Since that time, for 100 years, Armenians began to move in small groups to the north - to Karabakh, to Azerbaijan, where the land is more fertile and the local population, unlike the Persians, was not aggressively opposed to the Armenians. So the Armenians ended up in Karabakh (approx. Translation from Azerbaijan Dark (black) garden). And religion has nothing to do with it ...
PS Look for closures in your chains!

[tigran2]

a little differently respected ... The first melikos in Nagorno-Karabakh and Syunik appeared in the middle of the 13th century, during the reign of Jahanshah, ruler of the state of Kara-Koyunlu. Trying to strengthen the border regions, Jahanshah recognized the rights of local Armenian rulers, returned (!!!!) privileges to them, granted them autonomy and bestowed the title Melik (translated from Arabic - king). With these measures, he hoped that in the event of a threat to the Meliks, they would take up arms on his behalf [XNUMX].

The enemy against whom Jahanshah tried to protect his possessions was Safavid Persia, but the state of the Turkomans Kara-Koyunlu fell under the blows of another Turkoman dynasty - Ak-Koyunlu, the latter ruled the region only 35 years before they were driven out by the Safavids [13]. After the fall of the state of Ak-Koyunlu under the attacks of the Safavids, the new rulers of Persia (against whom, perhaps, melikos were created) confirmed the Meliks in their power and privileges. The whole of Eastern Armenia passed under the rule of Persia, in which it remained (except for the brief epochs of the Ottoman invasions) until the Russian Empire conquered in the beginning of the 14th century [0] .https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%A0%D0 % B0% D1% BC% D81% XNUMX

[b.t.a.]

Let me disagree with you. Initially, the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh was part of Azerbaijan. During the genocide of the Armenian population by the Ottoman Empire, there was a mass exodus of the population from Armenia. It was then that Karabakh was settled by Armenian refugees (with the permission of the Shemakha Khanate).

[genisis]

Let me disagree with you. The state of Azerbaijan first appeared in 1918, as a result of the collapse of the Russian Empire with the bayonets of Nuri Pasha. Prior to this, on these lands no one had heard of Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis, which became such at the request of Stalin and the 1936 Constitution of the USSR. The Muslims living there, or the Caucasian Tatars, as they were called in the Russian Empire, it did not occur to them that they were Azerbaijanis who live in Azerbaijan.

[Alexei]

And it seems to me that it needs to be divided, otherwise the conflict will never be resolved. Even if you divide the NK, then still nothing will be finally decided, but at least postpone a new aggravation for an indefinite time.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: Alexej

And it seems to me that it needs to be divided, otherwise the conflict will never be resolved. Even if you divide the NK, then still nothing will be finally decided, but at least postpone a new aggravation for an indefinite time.

Introduce the direct board of the vehicle!

[tigran2]

was in the Union, Polyanichko to this day is cursed in Karabakh. To manage without taking into account the demand of the population, how do you imagine this?

[andj61]

Quote: omsbon

If the Armenians are 99%, then let them live in Armenia. It seems logical to me!

Then it would be logical to seize the territory, the destruction or eviction of not their people - and all in chocolate? But Azerbaijan is full of refugees from the occupied territories.

[Daniz]

This is now 99% of Armenians there, because in 89-91, with the help of the militarized riot police of the USSR, a part of the local population, Azerbaijanis, ~ 30000 people. Armenians slaughtered, shot; and the other part ~ 250000 people. became refugees in other republics of Azerbaijan! HERE and draw conclusions ...

[tigran2]

What kind of numbers? In Karabakh, there has never been a population of even 180000. Of these, correctly 30000 Azerbaijanis.

[Tan4ik]

This place will not go out soon yet. Really it is impossible to stupidly take and equally divide and that’s all.

[GRAY]

Quote: Tan4ik

Is it really impossible to stupidly divide and equally divide and that’s all

It is impossible. The Armenians live there and to divide equally is like giving half of their land for free.
In my understanding, they have only one chance to resolve this conflict forever - to join the ̶С̶С̶С̶Р̶ of the Russian Federation.

[Daniz]

THERE not only Armenians lived, and the land belongs to Azerbaijan from time immemorial! And the Armenians do not want to give back what they have taken not without the help of the "Big Friend"!
And without resolving these conflicts, it will not be possible to enter the Russian Federation, because each subject of the federation has clear boundaries with its neighbors ...

[222222]

On August 9, 2014, Vladimir Putin, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan and Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev attended the PLOTFORM S-70 international combat sambo tournament.
http://president.kremlin.ru/news/46424
http://president.kremlin.ru/news/46427

[svp67]

Presidents of Russia, Armenia and Azerbaijan discuss the settlement of the Karabakh crisis

I wish them to find a solution to this complex issue, the main thing is that everything would be managed peacefully, without blood ... Good luck, serve as an example.

[RusDV]

An extremely interesting meeting. A year ago it was impossible to imagine it in Moscow. Now - here. If Armenia long ago made a pro-Russian choice (something about, at least), then Azerbaijan played with might and main the Yusovian card, but under NATO sauce. This meeting speaks of the pitfalls that have appeared in the mainstream lately. It is difficult to more or less correctly assess this now. Little information about "pebbles" ...

[Daniz]

The people in Azerbaijan for integration with Russia. Many even for the connection! but as you correctly noticed, the sky finger in w..aliev doesn’t let Aliev do it. and the Armenians are taking advantage of this for their own mercenary purposes (in Karabakh very large deposits of gold and uranium are being mined at an accelerated pace) are clinging harder to Russia ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

SW I would like to hear Apollo, his opinion is interesting to me personally ...

[Apollo]

Good evening everyone, including you, Andrey Yuryevich

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

H. Apollo would like to hear his opinion for me personally interested

Please, always ready.
So. Let's start in order.
1. The author of the article is nameless, which can not but alarm. Well, exactly Anonymous but with a capital letter.
2.quote-KNK has permanent offices in Russia, Armenia, USA, Canada, Germany, Lebanon and Australia.
What kind of nonsense. Not one country in the world, including Russia, has recognized the so-called NKR separatist regime.
Representation means acceptance by the host State.Opened somewhere in the doorways or somewhere outside the city some office and they called you a loud representation. It would have been better to call it not a representative office but an eatery that would accurately reflect the meaning.
3. Do not forget that the occupied 7 areas adjacent to Nagorno-Karabakh. These occupied areas have nothing to do with Nagorno-Karabakh. In this regard, I would like to quote the Russian political analyst Sergei Markov and journalist Maxim Shevchenko right here.

Russian experts agreed that the voluntary liberation of the occupied regions and the return of refugees to their homeland is a necessary and most realistic first step that will finally put the peaceful Nagorno-Karabakh settlement on a productive track. This was announced to Vestnik Kavkaza by the head of the commission for international cooperation and public diplomacy of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, director of the Institute of Political Research Sergei Markov and journalist, political observer Maxim Shevchenko.

Thus, according to Sergei Markov, this issue is currently the key one in the settlement of the conflict for the Azerbaijani side. "The leadership of Azerbaijan is dissatisfied with the fact that peace negotiations are stagnating, first of all, on the transfer to Azerbaijani jurisdiction of the regions around Nagorno-Karabakh, which were previously inhabited by Azerbaijanis, and now stand empty as an "exchange card" in the hands of those who occupied these territories. It is not surprising that gaining control over them for the leadership of Azerbaijan is task number one: these are traditionally Azerbaijani lands with very ancient cities, which today stand empty and abandoned around Nagorno-Karabakh, "Markov said.
Maxim Shevchenko, in turn, drew attention on the fact that without the return of the occupied areas to Azerbaijan, and the refugees to their homes, the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict is impossible. "The conflict will be resolved only after the return of Azerbaijani refugees and a referendum on the status of Nagorno-Karabakh. As we can see, the occupied territories are now inhabited by the Armenian side, and Armenia is pursuing an active resettlement policy, and this does not at all contribute to negotiations on a settlement with Azerbaijan, on the contrary, the situation becomes more and more explosive, "Shevchenko said.
http://www.vestikavkaza.ru/news/V-zone-karabakhskogo-konflikta-sem-okkupirovanny
kh-rayonov.html


The conclusions of the experts personally cause only positive emotions in me. Andrei Yurevich consider that two bright heads of the citizens of the Russian Federation have spoken for me.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Apollon

Good evening everyone

and you! thanks for the speed!

[Apollo]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

and you! thanks for the speed!

Thank you.
You noticed that two experts in unison also recognized an important fact namely they called things by their names, they recognized the fact of occupation by Armenia.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Apollon

called a spade a spade-

otherwise it would be hypocrisy ...

[genisis]

We also paid attention to exactly who you take as experts)))
Maxim Shevchenko is a noble expert, he will not advise anything bad))
Why didn’t they refer to Tarasov?
And they forgot something about Sinitsyn, but Vasyaka.
Well, the experts are still)))
And of course, the favorite of the Azerbaijani press Oleg Kuznetsov)))

[KG_patriot_last]

The solution here can be from both sides:

- Armenia ceases to speak for Karabakh and allows their residents to speak independently and seek international recognition. Let the volunteers go, let them arm, but politically give freedom. If they receive recognition, then in the distant future they will be able to become part of Armenia.
- Azerbaijan should stop aggressing against the residents of Karabakh and begin direct negotiations with the leaders of Karabakh - on the return of refugees, on peace, on humanitarian issues. To reduce the warlike rhetoric, not to take the Karabakh people for enemies permanently (also involving the Turks), to restore the economic ties lost 25 years ago. Bribing the population of Karabakh is finally a more attractive country. With the prospect of a distant future return as an autonomous entity within Azerbaijan.

As long as Armenia speaks for Karabakh and threatens Baku with genocide, only war will help.
The decision should be made only by the residents and leaders of Karabakh. And this decision must be respected by both parties.

[tigran2]

- Azerbaijan should stop aggressing against the residents of Karabakh and begin direct negotiations with the leaders of Karabakh - on the return of refugees, on peace, on humanitarian issues. The answer may be here. Https: //www.youtube.com/watch? Feature = player_embedded & v = IxjjKGJtSSs

[Daniz]

Thank you for opening your eyes to many of these comments!

[rasputin17]

There is an offer! Both countries will join the CU and many problems will be resolved at the moment, and there you look over time a single economic space will be created and as a result the borders will be purely nominal!
The main thing is to get rid of prejudice and to a person throwing back his ambitions to hear his interlocutor! Strong in spirit is not the one who breaks the wall with his forehead, but the one who bypasses it.

[Apollo]

Quote: rasputin17

Have a suggestion! Join the CU to both countries and many problems will be solved at the moment,

And now put it on the shelves as you imagine it ?! I would be very happy if you decrypt this moment.

And PS

The conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh will in no way affect Armenia’s accession to the Customs Union. This was stated to journalists by the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Sergei Lavrov.

"Armenia is joining the Customs Union as Armenia, Nagorno-Karabakh has nothing to do with this, which has been repeatedly and publicly said by Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan," Lavrov said.

Sergey Lavrov made this statement following the results of the meeting in Sochi, where the head of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan, the leader of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev and the president of Russia Vladimir Putin have gathered today.
http://www.spbdnevnik.ru/news/2014-08-10/konflikt-vokrug-nagornogo-karabakha-ne-
povliyaeyt-na-vstupleniey-armenii-v-tamozhenny-soyuz /

Point set by the mouth of Lavrov.

[Daniz]

I support each word !!!

[VICTOR-61]

Yes, Putin is not easy but you have to sit down at the negotiating table than thousands of victims on both sides

[nvv]

Namesake. Sorry, but the name of my president and my commander in chief must be capitalized. Write below if you made a mistake.

[mig31]

One desire is not enough, steps are needed to meet each other, but it is impossible for ever and ever to trust in Russia ...

[Stypor23]

Quote: mig31

One desire is not enough, steps are needed to meet each other, but it is impossible for ever and ever to trust in Russia ...

Is it better to hope for the Russian Federation in? settlement of the conflict, than asking for help from amers, as our neighbors from the southwest did.

[RusDV]

Quote: mig31

One desire is not enough, steps are needed to meet each other, but it is impossible for ever and ever to trust in Russia ...

They cannot be without an arbiter .... If you want the support of voters in any of these countries - "don't you dare give up the NKR." But voters, of course, will understand the "pressure" of a worthy arbiter. That is the interest of the moment - Russia has been chosen for the role of "worthy" ... Given the fact that Russia does not conduct an isolationist policy, this is a plus ...

[djtyysq]

Here the states of Armenia and Azerbaijan spit on their own (i.e., Armenians and Azerbaijanis)! There is a redistribution of the territory !!!

[Free wind]

I am not a fan of Oleg Chuvakin. But where are the results of the week? Is he Ok?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Free Wind (1) RU Today, 17: 43 New
I am not a fan of Oleg Chuvakin. But where are the results of the week? Is he Ok? yes, I also waited all morning ...

[RusDV]

So far, these experts have spoken out:
Mukhanov, a senior fellow at the Center for Caucasus Problems and Regional Security at MGIMO, expects the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict around Nagorno-Karabakh to be one of the key topics that will be discussed by state leaders.

"Of course, the meetings are important against the background of alarming messages that come both from the line of contact - directly from the zone of the Karabakh conflict, and those alarming messages that appeared directly from the Armenian-Azerbaijani border, which is not in contact with Karabakh," he said. The expert regrets that the format of the meeting will be bilateral, not trilateral.

In any case, "in this light, Russia's peacekeeping mediating role is important," Mukhanov said. In his opinion, "the main result of such meetings is if it is possible to convince the parties to the conflict not to make further efforts to unfreeze the conflict and bring the conflict into a hot stage."
"If the conflict continues to be frozen and large-scale military actions do not start, then this will undoubtedly be Russia's success," the expert noted.

THE EFFECT WILL NOT BE LONG
Sergei Mikheev, general director of the Center for Current Politics, does not expect a longer-term effect after the negotiations - a final settlement of the conflict. "What can any mediator do in the Karabakh settlement? The mediator can try to persuade the parties not to use force, to refuse any harsh actions and hasty conclusions. But the Karabakh conflict is completely dead-end. There is neither Russia, nor Europe, nor the United States, nor any state. they cannot do it, "he said.

So it goes...

[andj61]

And I'm a fan of Oleg Chuvakin, makes very worthy reviews. And also did not wait for the results! Sorry.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I think this problem needs to be frozen for a while .. Time is needed! As far as I know, they have already begun to shoot at each other and each side is on its own! If there are no winners mating .. (except for the USA indirectly)

[asar]

At the everyday level, enmity - each side considers the other guilty, that's bad!

[Finches]

And it is true! When I encounter Armenians or Azerbaijanis, I always ask the question of who is to blame whenever possible. I have never heard a hint of a compromise! It is not they who are always to blame, but the opposite side ... And this is a time bomb for any political decisions!

[rasputin17]

Quote: asar

At the everyday level, enmity - each side considers the other guilty, that's bad!

As at dill, padded jackets are to blame for everything! The only thing we do not blame them for our difficulties! Although there is something! But we do not fall to their level! And we don’t trade our country for the sake of someone else for incomprehensible from whom or what self-ownership !!

[alone]

Quote: MIKHAN

I think this problem needs to be frozen for a while .. Time is needed! As far as I know, they have already begun to shoot at each other and each side is on its own! If there are no winners mating .. (except for the USA indirectly)

For 20 years this conflict has already been frozen. Do you think this is not enough?

[tilovaykrisa]

So will the cutting or not, your opinion.

[Apollo]

Quote: MIKHAN

I think this problem should be frozen for a while.

R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ Since 1994, the year is frozen, it is 23.

Quote: MIKHAN

Time is needed

That time just does not play in our favor.

Quote: MIKHAN

As far as I know, they have already started firing at each other.

That's right, at the moment and now they are firing.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Apollon

Quote: MIKHAN

I think this problem should be frozen for a while.

R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ Since 1994, the year is frozen, it is 23.

Quote: MIKHAN

Time is needed

That time just does not play in our favor.

Quote: MIKHAN

As far as I know, they have already started firing at each other.

That's right, at the moment and now they are firing.

It may bang on everyone ..? It's just ridiculous for the rocky territory so many victims.?

[IAlex]

I wonder why there is no article on the site how Lugansk ended up in a blockade on US anti-aircraft missile systems. Of course I understand patriotism and all that, but still the campaign is not so rosy ...

[Karasik]

Quote: VICTOR-61

Thanks for the news, but I thought everything was so bad that there is little information on New Russia

Full information here: http://vk.com/strelkov_info
Updated constantly.
For those who are interested:
Registration of volunteers for good deeds is made by tel. [phone]. To Strelkov: [email protected]

Yesterday the main battles were for n. n. Red Ray and Anthracite. Red Ray several times a day passed from hand to hand, but by the end of the day most of the village came under the control of the militia.
In addition, the enemy attacked Ilovaisk and Stepan-Krynka yesterday.
Opponent yesterday took n. p. Dyakovo.
Gorlovka, Enakievo, Uglegorsk hold the defense.
In Ilovaisk yesterday it was planned to conduct an exchange of prisoners. The militia commanders warned the Ukrainian side that the prisoners should be treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention, as the militia do, and that if the Ukrainian side does not adhere to this convention, the militia will take appropriate measures. However, instead of an agreement on the exchange of prisoners, 3 attacks of punitive forces were organized on Ilovaysk, all of which were repulsed.
Currently, the battles for Ilovaysk continue. In the city there are shells falling into residential buildings, fires, people are hiding in basements.
Starting from the 4 morning, the enemy is shelling Donetsk. The shelling of the city does not stop until now.
In the DPR, volunteer recruitment to the militia continues. People see that the enemy has come to their house, and join the ranks of the militia. The registration of volunteers in the DPR Army is made by tel. + 38095-431-48-63.
Today, the miraculous icon of the Mother of God "Semistrelnaya" was brought to Donetsk, in front of which a prayer service was served in the morning, attended by militiamen led by the Minister of Defense of the DPR, I. Strelkov.

[Karasik]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

Yes, this is the territory where Armenians have been living for millennia, I don’t understand the subject of the dispute, it’s just as usual that it shuts up the Muslims, they happen, not because they are bad, just a young religion, passionate ...

Armenians are not Muslims. They are Christians, perhaps even Orthodox. If not Orthodox, correct me, but what Christians are for sure!

[Finches]

You are right. The Armenian Orthodox Church, the main state church of Armenia, is one of the oldest Christian churches, which has a number of features, with its own specific problems that distinguish it from both Byzantine Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism. It belongs to the ancient Orthodox churches.

[alone]

Quote: Finches

You are right the Armenian Orthodox Church,

Armenians are not Orthodox, but Gregorians !! At least you could ask. Write all kinds of nonsense, without even trying to check what's what.

[Finches]

Dear, and you are right, indeed the Apostolic Church of Armenia, the name Armenian-Gregorian Church, but not used by the Armenian Church itself, is widespread in Russian-language literature!
So we are both right!

[Daniz]

Lonely is right! Catholics are not Orthodox ... you do not know, at least do not confuse the people.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: lonely

Quote: Finches

You are right the Armenian Orthodox Church,

Armenians are not Orthodox, but Gregorians !! At least you could ask. Write all kinds of nonsense, without even trying to check what's what.

How do you feel about the Armenians? Just briefly ...

[Apollo]

Quote: Finches

You are right Armenian Orthodox Church

Another expert on the South Caucasus looked for. You are not a "professor" and "conflict expert". Yes, you read such gems and you are amazed.

[Finches]

So explain how it is right, what are you? I’ll gladly correct my ignorance in this matter, I know only that about the main religion of Armenia. Since you are such an expert, please explain!

[ayyildiz]

Quote: Karasik

They are Christians, perhaps even Orthodox

So, what is next ?

[rasputin17]

Quote: ayyildiz

Quote: Karasik

They are Christians, perhaps even Orthodox

So, what is next ?

The problem is not in the religious plane, everything is different here! You know that its two constituent people and the land on which they live!

[RusDV]

Quote: rasputin17

Quote: ayyildiz

Quote: Karasik

They are Christians, perhaps even Orthodox

So, what is next ?

The problem is not in the religious plane, everything is different here! You know that its two constituent people and the land on which they live!

Yes. Religion is not the main thing here ...

[supertiger21]

Quote: Karasik

Armenians are not Muslims. They are Christians, perhaps even Orthodox. If not Orthodox, correct me, but what Christians are for sure!

Yes, they are Christians, just correct you, not Orthodox but Monophysites.

[Apollo]

Quote: Karasik

Armenians are not Muslims.

Quote: Karasik

They are christians

right but

Quote: Karasik

maybe even Orthodox.

That they personally told you so!
Googling and do not tell here are well-versed in this forum.

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: supertiger21

Yes, they are Christians, just correct you, not Orthodox but Monophysites.

Quote: Apollon

That they personally told you so!
Googling and do not tell here are well-versed in this forum.

To stop further speculation on the topic of religion, to which I belong, I decided to write once and for all:
The Armenian Apostolic Church (an expanded version is also used - the Armenian Holy Apostolic Orthodox Church is the more traditional, historical name the Apostolic Church of Armenia; the name originating in the Russian Empire is the Armenian-Gregorian Church, not used by the Armenian Church itself) - one of the ancient Christians churches, which has a number of features in dogma and ritual that distinguish it from both Byzantine Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism. It belongs to the ancient Orthodox churches. An Armenian rite is used in worship.
We are neither monophysites (we have icons just in terms of design, we are ascetic) and not Catholics, but we also differ from Russian Orthodoxy in many ancient traditions (for example, we are baptized from left to right).
We became Christians already at the state level in 301 (according to other sources in 314), and then there were no Catholics and Monophysites.
Centuries passed and every large empire around Armenia tried to change something in the Armenian Church, but thank God we managed to preserve our traditions. In difficult times, the Armenian Church replaced the Armenians with statehood.
For this, the Armenians and I personally do not give a damn who, where, what and how to interpret.

[Apollo]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

Quote: Apollon
That they personally told you so!
Googling and do not tell here are well-versed in this forum.

Quote: Hairy Siberian

To stop further speculation on the subject of religion

My quotation you have inserted into your commentary what religion you profess, I know very well.

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: Apollon

My quotation you have inserted into your commentary what religion you profess, I know very well.

That they would finally understand that the AAC is the Orthodox Church, but has a number of differences from the Russian Orthodox Church.

[225chay]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

For this, the Armenians and I personally do not give a damn who, where, what and how to interpret.

That's it! Armenians always and everywhere spit on the opinions of other peoples! This cannot be taken away from you ...

[Daniz]

This is not their land! And they are not Muslims. Armenians belong to the Gregorian Catholics, who over the past 25 years, due to close co-operation with Russia, do not disdain to call themselves Orthodox Catholics. ;)
PS I didn’t want to offend anyone, I personally am a dualist, and I keep my views in spite of my national identity and political situation in the country ...

[225chay]

Quote: Karasik

Armenians are not Muslims. They are Christians, perhaps even Orthodox.

Armenians have never been Orthodox!
Christians - yes!
Swedes and other Europeans Crusaders with a cross on flags went to conquer Russia
The Poles are also Christians. Hate Poland from Russia to hell since what times.
The Germans were generally the most Christian of Christians. (especially from 1941 to 1945)
So Christians do not mean that they are relatives.
Our ROC is not enthusiastic about the Armenian, some call heretics for their eyes

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: 225chay

Armenians have never been Orthodox!

One gets the feeling that most of all it is not Christians that the Orthodox Armenians care about or not. Take care of your religion as a renegade.

[225chay]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

One gets the feeling that most of all it is not Christians that the Orthodox Armenians care about or not. Take care of your religion as a renegade.

Traitors, traitors and deceitful, vile hypocrites, you and your breed have always been everywhere.
From time immemorial, you have been engaged in provocations and pitting of other nations different from you.
Wherever one of your instances appears, it drags its fellow believers and begins the vile work of charring others

[Chaika]

Sorry that off topic

In a fair battle, the militia of New Russia captured the enemy 152 mm self-propelled guns 2S3 "Acacia" with full ammunition. According to available information, the video is not the only trophy copy of this legendary and decades-old weapon.

Specialists know what it is!!!, and who does not know, look here http://rusvesna.su/news/1407627204, there are small details, photos and videos

[Karasik]

Quote: RusDV

This meeting talks about the pitfalls that have appeared in the mainstream in recent times.

Yes, your thought is very interesting. America is losing its position. Slowly but surely! This can not but rejoice!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I would like to hear the opinions of the forum users of Armenia and Azerbaijan .. (only without recrimination) .. Previously, I remember it was very tense.

[alone]

Let the occupied territories be liberated if they want to live in peace and harmony.
And as for negotiations, I’ll say this: Another waste of time. There have already been 20 such talks no less. And no use.

[supertiger21]

Quote: lonely

Let the occupied territories be liberated if they want to live in peace and harmony. And as for the negotiations, I will say this: Another waste of time. There have already been 20 such talks no less. And no use.

Omar Khayyam, in order to solve this problem as positively as possible, one must be the most objective. That is, both Azerbaijanis and Armenians should not just stupidly pull the scales, but try to find a real compromise with the most acceptable benefit for each side.
Personally, I believe that the problem of this territory can be solved in two ways:
1) Divide Nagorno-Karabakh strictly according to ethnicity. Thus, the ethnically Armenian territories remain in the NKR, and the Azerbaijani therefore return to Azerbaijan.
2) Return the entire territory of Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, subject to its broad autonomy, up to the federalization of the state. Provide the Armenian language with regional status.

It's my opinion!

[alone]

Keep your opinion to yourself. Once you have begun to divide the land according to the ethnic principle, start to divide it in your state.

That’s why the hell you recommend to others that which is not acceptable by yourself ????????????

2) Return the entire territory of Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijan, subject to its broad autonomy, up to the federalization of the state. Provide the Armenian language with regional status.

They have been offered autonomy a long time ago. No, this immediately gives independence.

[supertiger21]

Quote: lonely

Keep your opinion with you

As you wish!

Quote: lonely

. Once they have begun to divide the land according to the ethnic principle, start to divide it in your state.

And here, don’t distort! What exactly do you want to say? At the moment, on our territory, thank God there are no acute ethnic conflicts, but if they were, they have long gone out or been resolved.

[alone]

Quote: supertiger21

And here, don’t distort! What exactly do you want to say? At the moment, on our territory, thank God there are no acute ethnic conflicts, but if they were, they have long gone out or been resolved.

And therefore, you can safely suggest what you did not do when these conflicts existed.

Quote: supertiger21

no sharp ethnic conflicts,

Well, no! and the Ossetian-Ingush conflict was so-so, an ordinary household routine with stabbing. By the number of those who died in that short time, this conflict ranks first in the entire post-Soviet space.

[supertiger21]

Quote: lonely

And therefore, you can safely suggest what you did not do when these conflicts existed.

Why it wasn’t done! Of course, they didn’t give independence to Chechnya, but they gave the Chechens most of what they demanded while remaining within the Russian Federation. Tatarstan also demanded a special status in the 90s. The rights and opportunities of the Tatar authorities were also encouraged.
So you are wrong, Dear!

Quote: lonely

Well, no! and the Ossetian-Ingush conflict was so-so, an ordinary household routine with stabbing. By the number of those who died in that short time, this conflict ranks first in the entire post-Soviet space.

We are talking about events whose problems are very acute specifically at a given point in time.

[supertiger21]

Quote: MIKHAN

I would like to hear the opinions of the forum users of Armenia and Azerbaijan .. (only without recrimination) .. Previously, I remember it was very tense.

I think it is not necessary to collect Azerbaijani and Armenian visitors in one branch, because the next endless srach will start, from which there will be only negative consequences, in the form of a bunch of minuses, warnings for breaking the rules, and also bans. Therefore, I consider it risky!

[Apollo]

Quote: MIKHAN

. Earlier I remember here it was very hard.

What tension Vitali verbal scuffle what exactly reflected the situation on the forum at the time ?!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Apollon

Quote: MIKHAN

. Earlier I remember here it was very hard.

What tension Vitali verbal scuffle what exactly reflected the situation on the forum at the time ?!

Forum members from Armenia were ..

[Apollo]

Quote: MIKHAN

Forum members from Armenia were ..

Not only.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Apollon

Quote: MIKHAN

Forum members from Armenia were ..

Not only.

Armenia is missing something .. alas!

[tigran2]

But the Armenians have long resolved the issue. Azerbaijan wants to somehow resolve this in its own way.

[Neprostoy]

In the end, matches would have pulled someone short to Karabakh.

[rasputin17]

Quote: Neprostoy

In the end, matches would have pulled someone short to Karabakh.

Do not screw nonsense Dear! There are people and a centuries-old conflict! In Soviet times, at the end of the seventies, such a book was published by the author, I don't remember now, but the name "Karabakh crossroads" is a book not of a political nature, but rather of a cultural and ethnic nature, and everything that is happening there now was predicted by reflecting on the author's presentation. Try to read it and I assure you that you will look at this problem with completely different eyes!

[alone]

Quote: rasputin17

There are people and a centuries-old conflict!

Not many centuries ago, I assure you, it was quiet there until, at the behest of Emperor Nichalas II, Armenians from Iran and the Ottoman Empire were overpowered there.

[rasputin17]

I do not argue! You're right! But let's take a look at our neighbor Kazakhstan !!! How many peoples were driven there during the repressions !! Take for example Chechens and Ingush ?! And how many people came and settled during the development of virgin lands! And now they live all side by side and work together to be related!
And all because the hospitable Kazakh people accepted people for who they are! Some were brought to this land by grief and the deprivation of the home of others then the common homeland of the USSR called to these parts. And these facts there are perceived by people with understanding and everyone living in this common house is trying to maintain a common unity.
So here it is now in much the same situation! You just need to treat each other with understanding and go forward! If everyone rejecting all prejudices and far-fetched beliefs goes to the meeting perceiving as a sibling, then you can agree! It is only necessary to wish peace to the house of your neighbor!

[alone]

Quote: rasputin17

But let's take a look at our neighbor Kazakhstan !!!

I would love to compare the problem with Kazakhstan, but there is one thing. The peoples resettled in Kazakhstan, after 100 years, did not cry out at full throat that this land does not belong to Kazakhstan.

[Semurg]

Quote: lonely

I would love to compare the problem with Kazakhstan, but there is one thing. The peoples resettled in Kazakhstan, after 100 years, did not cry out at full throat that this land does not belong to Kazakhstan.

They shout as they shout and their shouts are actively supported in the neighboring country. By the way, they tried to create on the territory of the Kazakh SSR both a German and Uyghur republic-region and a "virgin land" with autonomy, but each time "tolerant" Kazakhs opposed and many later suffered from this, but defended a united Kazakhstan. On the topic of the article, at the expense of 99% of Armenians in Karabakh, I somehow looked at the results of the last Soviet census and the most mono-ethnic republic was the Ar.SSR with 92% of Armenians, and how they did it under the union, where diasporas in neighboring Georgia and Azerbaijan were 18- 20% (probably the air there is not suitable for non-Armenians ), and this figure is 18-20% and higher in all national republics and only Armenians managed to have 92% of Armenians in Armenia, and this was under watchful communists who very carefully monitored the population balance and migration. Now probably in Armenia 99% of Armenians.

[Semurg]

On the topic of the article, these negotiations will not lead to a breakthrough. Both leaders cannot yield to their cardinally demolished by their own peoples. And no matter how good the calls for a peaceful resolution to this conflict may sound, everything will probably be decided during the second war for Karabakh, or he will return to Azerbaijan or Azerbaijan will be completely defeated and recognize the loss of Karabakh. Azerbaijan so far wins economic competition, but this cannot continue forever since either Armenia will flinch and want to decide everything here and now, without waiting for a further deterioration of its situation. Or Azerbaijan will want to solve the Karabakh issue as it will further hamper its economic development.

[tigran2]

and who were relocated 100 years ago? The Armenians who had been stolen earlier by the Persian Shah to Persia were returned to their native lands. From the Crimea, few Russians freed the archers of Ivan the Terrible? Do not forget the Khamsa Meliks, the 5 Armenian Artsakh Meliks, which Nadir Shah recognized, and which Davit Bek fought with the Ottomans and corresponded with Peter the first.

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: Neprostoy

In the end, matches would have pulled someone short to Karabakh.

There are such proud and ardent people that no one will ever admit that he has a short wand ...

[Chaika]

I am pleased to state that the President of Azerbaijan also drew attention to the need to solve the problem peacefully, and you (the President of Armenia - comment “IN”) have now spoken about this. This is actually the most important thing, because there is no greater tragedy than the death of people.
And yet, we must proceed from the fact that the conflict situation has developed a long time ago, we got from the past, got more, one can say and need to say, as a legacy of the Soviet Union. And we must show patience, wisdom, and respect for each other in order to find this solution. Of course, any difficult situation can be resolved if there is goodwill.

I really want to agree to peacefully solve the problems, there are few hot spots near our borders. I won’t be surprised if the Americans are spoiling there

[Stypor23]

Quote: Seagull

I really want to agree to peacefully solve the problems, there are few hot spots near our borders. I won’t be surprised if the Americans are spoiling there

Of course not without them, in the same place, Iran borders on this potential war. So, the states are very interested in watching this area.

[rasputin17]

And they are not just watching with interest, but with a distant view of Azerbaijan so that they can then look from this bridgehead both from Georgia and not only to the north but also to Iran from the north!

[Hairy Siberian]

Well and good. Better let people talk than artillery.
What if they agree on something? If this happens to mean at the level of leaders of states already smell the Third World War.

[propolsky]

The hatred between the two peoples is very great, it’s good that at least something happens ... Armenians by faith are Christians, but with their church and catalytic disease, Azerbaijan is Muslim by faith, although it used to be of the Christian faith (in any case, the textbooks present it) .

[Mountain shooter]

This conflict cannot be easily resolved. There's blood on both sides. It is important that Azerbaijan has entrusted Russia with the role of mediator in negotiations with Armenia. Earlier, Azerbaijan distanced itself from Russia. It would be more correct to give Karabakh wide autonomy within Azerbaijan. The Armenians of Karabakh do not want this. There, on both sides, the "Maidan" is in their heads, and they defy logic. And already a lot of blood. Starting with the Armenian pogroms in Baku and Azerbaijan in general.

[melnik]

The war is like a beautiful girl with syphilis. From the side, romance, strength, valor. You get into it yourself, it’s very painful, very smelly and, it’s extremely difficult to treat

[Yarik]

omsbon (2) RU Today, 17:20 AM New
If the Armenians are 99%, then let them live in Armenia. It seems logical to me!

And if Azerbaijanis are 1%, then let them live in Azerbaijan. A pitfall of contradictions, no? But 1 is 99 times less than 99 with all that it implies ...

[Apollo]

Quote: Yarik

And if Azerbaijanis 1%

Not 1% and 0 without any interest there !!!

Quote: Yarik

But 1 is 99 times smaller than 99, with all the consequences

Because all Azerbaijanis were expelled from their lands.

[vladimirvn]

Deure Karabakh is the territory of Azerbaijan, but the population is predominantly Armenian. Because of this, a conflict broke out in due time. The Armenians of Karabakh believed that they were poorly represented in power in this autonomous region. In my opinion, the territory should be given to Azerbaijan, and the Armenians of Karabakh should be given the broadest powers to govern in this republic. But everything is so politicized there that today it is not possible. It is necessary to maintain a truce, and the decision to postpone the descendants to court. A lot of people now live there who have passed through the blood in this region.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

And Armenia entered the top three in the tank international biathlon ... I’m writing to what .. they will fight to the last (even if Russia does not say anything) So it’s better to come to an agreement like this! We have signed agreements with Iran .. We must unite!

[ayyildiz]

Quote: MIKHAN

And Armenia in the tank international biathlon entered the top three

Do you compare the real war with the game?

[GRAY]

Quote: ayyildiz

Do you compare the real war with the game?

No, it's about the level of crew training.

[alone]

tank biathlon does not mean that the level of training of tank crews is in good enough condition. The best ones who are chosen from all tank units are brought to such competitions.

[GRAY]

Quote: lonely

The best ones who are selected from all tank units are brought to such competitions.

The fact of having training is already a lot.

[alone]

Quote: GRAY

The fact of having training is already a lot.

Do you think in Armenia all tankers can speak like that in Biathlon?

Actually, in reality, everything does not work out in a battle as in a biathlon.

[ayyildiz]

The Azerbaijani army is being prepared according to the standard of Russia, NATO and Israel! That says a lot! 3 standard in one ...

[GRAY]

Quote: ayyildiz

The Azerbaijani army is being prepared according to the standard of Russia, NATO and Israel! That says a lot! 3 standard in one ...

How to teach tank tanks in Ukraine.

[GRAY]

Quote: lonely

Do you think in Armenia all tankers can speak like that in Biathlon?

Actually, in reality, everything does not work out in a battle as in a biathlon.

No I do not think so.

Biathlon is based on the basic elements of training.
In battle, the advantage is the crew that is more drunk at the training ground.

[andj61]

Quote: lonely

Actually, in reality, everything does not work out in a battle as in a biathlon.

I completely agree! But in real life, the Azerbaijani army, which is constantly strengthening, will be forced not to defend, but to advance. In such circumstances, the fact that Armenia is inferior in military force will not play a significant role.
At the same time they wash themselves with blood, but what they wash there - they will choke! - both sides!
Who can benefit from this? This issue needs to be resolved only peacefully and the first step is the return of the occupied territories by Armenia in exchange for opening the border. Even to calm the Armenians, this unit will be temporarily demilitarized.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: GRAY

Quote: ayyildiz

Do you compare the real war with the game?

No, it's about the level of crew training.

That's right .. I wanted to note this ..! And another spirit .. They will fight to the last ..

[el.krokodil]

Quote: 1812 1945

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, God forbid ... Let's decide there is enough to fight! You can’t arrange a massacre now for the joy of the West.

As for the NKAO, that is, there is one real way out for all self-determined state formations and those who are dissatisfied with this, for the first time: everyone to join the Eurasian Union, forget about the Soviet subjectivity of nations in the administrative-territorial division, in order to one day "explode" , destroying a single state and causing many human casualties.

..a it is possible to accept NKAO as part of RUSSIA .. well, so that Armenia and Azerbaijan do not swear .. and there were no offenses .. all is well and no one is offended!

[Stypor23]

Quote: el.krokodil

..a it is possible to accept NKAO as part of RUSSIA .. well, so that Armenia and Azerbaijan do not swear .. and there were no offenses .. everything is fine and no one is offended!

Then the Armenians and Azerbaijanis with Russian passports will begin to divide such a NKAR among themselves.

[MAXIMUS]

Quote: el.krokodil

Quote: 1812 1945

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, God forbid ... Let's decide there is enough to fight! You can’t arrange a massacre now for the joy of the West.

As for the NKAO, that is, there is one real way out for all self-determined state formations and those who are dissatisfied with this, for the first time: everyone to join the Eurasian Union, forget about the Soviet subjectivity of nations in the administrative-territorial division, in order to one day "explode" , destroying a single state and causing many human casualties.

..a it is possible to accept NKAO as part of RUSSIA .. well, so that Armenia and Azerbaijan do not swear .. and there were no offenses .. all is well and no one is offended!

And so that it would not be “offensive” at all - Armenia and Azerbaijan should also be admitted to Russia?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: MAXIMUS

Quote: el.krokodil

Quote: 1812 1945

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, God forbid ... Let's decide there is enough to fight! You can’t arrange a massacre now for the joy of the West.

As for the NKAO, that is, there is one real way out for all self-determined state formations and those who are dissatisfied with this, for the first time: everyone to join the Eurasian Union, forget about the Soviet subjectivity of nations in the administrative-territorial division, in order to one day "explode" , destroying a single state and causing many human casualties.

..a it is possible to accept NKAO as part of RUSSIA .. well, so that Armenia and Azerbaijan do not swear .. and there were no offenses .. all is well and no one is offended!

And so that it would not be “offensive” at all - Armenia and Azerbaijan should also be admitted to Russia?

That would be great ..! (all territorial problems were immediately resolved) And who does not agree .. to this territory at the level of this in Siberia we will single out .. (let it rule)))

[Karasik]

Quote: IAlex

I wonder why there is no article on the site how Lugansk ended up in a blockade on US anti-aircraft missile systems. Of course I understand patriotism and all that, but still the campaign is not so rosy ...

Whatever news is published, it all comes down to discussing the situation in Ukraine. I just want to appeal: People, change your mind! Who are you shooting at ?! Your brothers ?! The detachments of the National Guard are few in number. Why not turn the trunks in their direction ?! Why shoot all the ammunition, and then flee to Russia, declaring "We do not want to participate in a fratricidal war"? The parashnik cannot stop this war. You, ordinary soldiers, can stop it when, having ammunition load, declare: "We do not want to participate in a fratricidal war" !!!

[pryanik]

better a bad world than a good war people are dying and this is very bad

[S_Baykala]

Eh, if it were possible this way:
GDP:
Dear Sirs Sargsyan and Aliyev! As a result of subversive activities the collapse of the Soviet Union began. One of the directions of the plan of collapse was the aggravation of the national question and inciting ethnic hatred. In your conflict, n.a. I propose to forget about the subject of the dispute and unite against the real enemy, pushing your people into the abyss of fratricidal war ........

[alone]

Quote: S_Baykala

Dear Sirs Sargsyan and Aliyev! As a result of subversive activities the collapse of the Soviet Union began. One of the directions of the plan of collapse was the aggravation of the national question and inciting ethnic hatred. In your conflict, n.a. I propose to forget about the subject of the dispute and unite against the real enemy, pushing your people into the abyss of fratricidal war ........

Thank you, but somehow we can do without a war with ia. Moreover, I didn’t even declare war on GDP in open war.

[Karasik]

Quote: rasputin17

The problem is not in the religious plane, everything is different here! You know that its two constituent people and the land on which they live!

That is not religious! I agree with you. By the way, in the massacre in Ukraine there is also no religious component, however, shooting is underway - Mama Do not Cry!

[tommy717]

The issue is so complex that even with the mediation of a bunch of countries it cannot be resolved yet. Especially under the current presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan. Although the most acceptable option is an equal or almost equal exchange of territories.

[Karasik]

Quote: S_Baykala

Eh, if it were possible this way:
GDP:
Dear Sirs Sargsyan and Aliyev! As a result of subversive activities the collapse of the Soviet Union began. One of the directions of the plan of collapse was the aggravation of the national question and inciting ethnic hatred. In your conflict, n.a. I propose to forget about the subject of the dispute and unite against the real enemy, pushing your people into the abyss of fratricidal war ........

I will answer in Caucasian: "Wah, maladets!" Plus to you.

[Karasik]

Sorry, off topic:
Summary of the headquarters of the Ministry of Defense of the DPR as of 15.00, 10 August

The fierce battles for the city of Red Ray continue. The city is held by the militia, but Ukrainian troops are shelling the city - the 17 mine, the city center, Gagarin Street.

With Miusinsky a little harder. There are no militias in the southern part of the city, but this is due to the specifics of the city - it is located in the pit, and all those entering from the south are perfectly sweeping from the waste heaps to the north. The shelling of Gorlovka and Enakievo is continuing - now also from Dzerzhinsk.

There are still no large units in Panteleimonovka, so it’s too early to talk about the surroundings of the Gorlovskaya grouping by the punishers, although there were battles in the Red Guerrilla area during the day. On Saturday, August 9, around 17: 30, the punishers resumed the shelling of the capital of the DPR. This time, the Zhilkoop settlement in the Kirovsky district of the city came under fire. The hit of shells fired from the Grad installation caused destruction in the private sector along the streets of Chistopolskaya and Lermontov. On Saur-Grave: 25-I brigade of Ukrainian troops near the height. No one goes to the top, as she is constantly fired upon from the Gradov. From the Snowy side, militia fighters deliver intensive blows with Grads to the Ukrainian troops in that area, as well as against those located in the Red Ray area. Shelling this group and mobile militias.

In the evening, they fired at the positions of the punishers in Lugutino. Also, Veselaya Tarasivka, Stukalova Balka was fired, from artillery - in the rear units in the village of Zheltoye, from mortars - the 2 checkpoint at Debaltseve.

The militia of the DPR has repelled an attack by Ukrainian punishers on Ilovaysk, a city in 35 kilometers east of Donetsk. Army DNI was destroyed nine units of armored vehicles. At the moment, the clashes continue near the city of Mospino, as well as in the Red Ray in 120 kilometers east of Donetsk.

From 4 in the morning of August 10, intensified shelling by the Ukrainian troops of the suburb of Donetsk, as well as the Kiev and Kuibyshev districts of the capital, continues.

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God forbid to survive! The forces are unequal, but MOTIVATION is on our side!

[VladBaki]

to me as a citizen of Azerbaijan, who is 50% Russian, 50% Ukrainian, born in this country, it’s a shame that without truthful information, you breed people.
1 Armenians alien people from Iraq
2 to the Caucasus Catherine in Busila
3 Albanian Christian churches appropriated to themselves
4 started the first to expel Azerbaijanis from Armenia more than 400000
5 Sumgait themselves planned and cut for some reason those who did not pay the fund by the influx of Armenia
6 only in Baku now there are three Orthodox churches! in Armenia?
7 in schools and institutes Russian sector
8, and most importantly, as a participant in the war, if it were not for Russia, Armenia was occupied, he personally saw and repaired captured tanks with the Russian flag
and most importantly, Rossiyab just look away north for a week, well, we just really, really ask, and never when we forget about this service

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: VladBaki

me as a citizen of Azerbaijan, who is 50% Russian, 50% Ukrainian

Vladislav your tea is not "Stockholm Syndrome"?

[novel68rus]

the states will definitely unleash a war there .. this is a potential hot spot .. it will break out from one spark .. they need to sign some kind of international treaty .. but killing each other for the joy of mattresses is not good ..

[Apollo]

I would like to summarize all my comments on this thread.

1.Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin as the head of the Russian state has always been extremely negative and relates to every kind of separatism. It was not by chance that he recently signed the Law on Amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation public calls for the implementation of actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian FederationWe also remember his popular expression, “To wet in the toilet.” We also remember how he fought with the bandit underground in the North Caucasus. It was so wretched that separatism was burned with hardened iron.
2. And we have such separatists operating in Nagorno-Karabakh. As to what to do with them, I consider it necessary to deal with them as Vladimir Vladimirovich did in his time, this is the only true way if negotiations fail, nothing else is given.

[Apollo]

Quote: Apollon

I would like to summarize all my comments on this thread.

As I understand it, the commentary I wrote up above, an ardent opponent of Vladimir Putin and a supporter of separatism.

[Hairy Siberian]

Moderator Apollo is now you remember about the toilet, what would srach start here?
For starters, remember when you learned how to use it correctly?

[Apollo]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

Moderator Apollo is now you remember about the toilet, what would srach start here?

I quoted a quote from Vladimir Putin that you are not satisfied ?! Quote, the personality of V.Putin and maybe both of them ?!

Quote: Hairy Siberian

Maybe for a start, remember

Luckily for memory not complaining She, my memory is canceled.

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: Apollon

I quoted a quote from Vladimir Putin that you are not satisfied ?! Quote, the personality of V.Putin and maybe both of them ?!

Putin’s personality doesn’t matter to me. At least he said the man, he did it. But your manner of inserting hidden insults into your comments looks like meanness.

Quote: Apollon

Fortunately, I don’t complain about her memory. She, my memory is excellent.

Well, that’s good, I’m glad that on our site they’re not accepting tricksters to the moderators.

[Apollo]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

I do not care about Putin’s personality.

Apparently, the fate of Russia, you who live in Russia is also indifferent ?!

Quote: Hairy Siberian

But your manner of inserting hidden insults in your comments looks like a meanness.

Well, well, go easy on the corners, leave your marks with you.

[Karasik]

Quote: VladBaki

to me as a citizen of Azerbaijan, who is 50% Russian, 50% Ukrainian, born in this country, it’s a shame that without truthful information, you breed people.
1 Armenians alien people from Iraq
2 to the Caucasus Catherine in Busila
3 Albanian Christian churches appropriated to themselves
4 started the first to expel Azerbaijanis from Armenia more than 400000
5 Sumgait themselves planned and cut for some reason those who did not pay the fund by the influx of Armenia
6 only in Baku now there are three Orthodox churches! in Armenia?
7 in schools and institutes Russian sector
8, and most importantly, as a participant in the war, if it were not for Russia, Armenia was occupied, he personally saw and repaired captured tanks with the Russian flag
and most importantly, Rossiyab just look away north for a week, well, we just really, really ask, and never when we forget about this service

Vladislav, it's time to look for a compromise! Whatever the contradictions, the main thing is that "peace" is good, "war" is bad. At a common table, with a glass of wine, discussing all disagreements is much better than watching each other through the scope.

[faterdom]

The letter "A" is dropped from GUUAM - the anti-Russian union. The letter "G" tried to bite while mumbled without teeth. The first "U" went off the coils under the wise leadership of the Fashington daddies and momiks, and systematically self-destructs. The second "U" looks and baldets - what will happen and where to go.
"M" is preparing for the war and elections to the European Union at the same time, at the same time risking both its migrant workers and agriculture. At the same time, idiotically dreaming steel is part of a foreign, not very prosperous country.
And we must fight for Azerbaijan - we need it, coupled with Iran, while, naturally, without losing Armenia. A difficult task, but, hopefully, solved. Although someone has recently been intensely provoking. But the wisdom of the leaders was already enough not to get into a fight, bulging eyes. So peace between them is achievable.
And this world is a plus for Russia, both to its authority and interests.

[sergio6769]

As I remember now, the beginning of the mess in Karabakh .. it seems March 1988. He served then in Shiaul. The officers lined up on the parade ground at 9 pm, the cars were kicked out of the boxes ... mdaaa ... long ago it was ..

[alone]

It all started in February 1988. and you may have been transferred to the region in March. Although my opinion is personally, the leadership of the USSR played the most negative role in this conflict. This issue could be resolved by the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs in 2 hours, by arresting all the organizers of the separatist actions, especially since the lists were already ready.

[tigran2]

Sumgayit Armenians were on these lists? Well, very interesting.

[alone]

No. On the lists were Kafan Azerbaijanis, who were kicked out of their homes in December 1987 with ears and noses cut off.

[tigran2]

means “a few centuries, I assure you, it was quiet there, until the Armenians from Iran and the Ottoman Empire were overpowered there, at the behest of Emperor Nikalai II. >> [/ quote]
The first meliko in Nagorno-Karabakh and Syunik appeared in the middle of the XV century, during the reign of Jahanshah, the ruler of the state of Kara-Koyunlu. Trying to strengthen the border regions, Jahanshah recognized the rights of local Armenian rulers, returned privileges to them, granted them autonomy and bestowed the title Melik (translated from Arabic - king). With these measures, he hoped that in the event of a threat to the Meliks, they would take up arms on his behalf [13].

The enemy against whom Jahanshah tried to protect his possessions was Safavid Persia, but the state of the Turkomans Kara-Koyunlu fell under the blows of another Turkoman dynasty - Ak-Koyunlu, the latter ruled the region only 35 years before they were driven out by the Safavids [13]. After the fall of the state of Ak-Koyunlu under the attacks of the Safavids, the new rulers of Persia (against whom, perhaps, melikos were created) confirmed the Meliks in their power and privileges. The whole of Eastern Armenia passed under the rule of Persia, in which it remained (except for the brief epochs of the Ottoman invasions) until the Russian Empire conquered in the beginning of the 14th century [0] .https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%A0%D0 % B0% D1% BC% D81% XNUMX

[alone]

Quote: Tigran2

Jahanshah recognized the rights of local Armenian rulers

not Armenian, but Albanian. Since you are referring to history, I ask you to lay out the truth, and not what, presented by Armenian historians. It is not for nothing that Piotrovsky himself said that "The history of Armenia should owe its antiquity not to history, but to Armenian historians !!"

[tigran2]

And did these Albanian meliks join Davit bey and Mkhitar sparapet? Or they sent a letter to Peter the first, asking them to be considered Armenians and help against the Ottomans.

[Karasik]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

Vladislav your tea is not "Stockholm Syndrome"?

Maybe. Although I want to hope that there are not so many like-minded Vladislav. The conflict must be stopped. If the presidents have already begun to agree, and even having chosen GDP as the arbiter, then the ice has broken, gentlemen!

[Daniz]

Americans are urging Aliyev to take actions, which is very unreasonable for Russia. So Putin called both to suspend the unstable situation in the NKAR and in the occupied territories, to deal with them later, in the distant future, after Ukraine ... and see how the Armenians with the European Union behave.

[Yellow white]

The main thing now is to agree peacefully, by any means!
Nobody needs war, (America doesn’t count), negotiate, neighbors!

[VladBaki]

someone is against negotiations, just give it back or take it, 25 years is the term

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: VladBaki

someone is against negotiations, just give it back or take it, 25 years is the term

In the "Silver Wedding" it turns out.

[Apollo]

Once the topic about Azerbaijan has entered ........... video about the unique and insanely beloved by me Baku.

[VladBaki]

for information, one platform only gives oil without gas per day for about $ 20.000000 and that we should be silent and endure, honestly even to me Russian or Ukrainian, who, as I like, is one nationality, one people TIRED, you now see refugees from Ukraine, and in 90 years over 1000000 refugees do you?

[VladBaki]

especially for the Hairy Siberian, I have long since been cured of any syndromes, Azerbaijan is my homeland and so for all who live here, the Slavs were never traitors and the homeland for them is where they were born and live, and the soul with Russia

[Vitaly Anisimov]

C'mon guys swear .. I think they’ll agree though! You can’t swear now And the fact that nevertheless came together is already an achievement! Thank God, stop Allah to kill and fight ..

[S_Baykala]

Quote: lonely

Quote: S_Baykala

Dear Sirs Sargsyan and Aliyev! As a result of subversive activities the collapse of the Soviet Union began. One of the directions of the plan of collapse was the aggravation of the national question and inciting ethnic hatred. In your conflict, n.a. I propose to forget about the subject of the dispute and unite against the real enemy, pushing your people into the abyss of fratricidal war ........

Thank you, but somehow we can do without a war with ia. Moreover, I didn’t even declare war on GDP in open war.

Did I hint at a declaration of war? Okst, I offered to unite against a common enemy, and this is a very big difference.

[alone]

Quote: S_Baykala

Did I hint at a declaration of war? Okst, I offered to unite against a common enemy, and this is a very big difference.

For me there is only one enemy, the one that has occupied part of my country. And if you want to fight the Americans, this is your right.

[ViRUS-007]

I would be glad if these two countries are still able to come to an agreement and resolve this "smoldering" conflict peacefully, nevertheless, neighbors, and not as always ... Russia, before a little "did not check" in this region, behind the smaller fraternal republics, but now, after the introduction of retaliatory sanctions against pin.dos and the eu (psh.eks, spratniks) and dill including, I think it will be different. Financial "support" for these countries will be carried out, we are trying to kill two birds with one stone, or rather return the "spheres of influence" (throw out pin.dos) in this region and at the same time help "raise" the economies of these two countries without forcing them to climb into a debt hole ! Now fruits (and not only) will come to us from "friendly" countries to us, and in return for them a stable income, and an increase in the standard of living (here the problem with "illegal immigrants" will improve ..) So let's hope ...

[Daniz]

ViRUS-007, today Russia from the Caucasian republics supports only Armenians, and the Karabakh conflict is not resolved only thanks to the efforts of Russia (we need a platzdarm in the Caucasus, since Georgia and Azerbaijan are quite self-sufficient states, whose leadership is in pi. ..ov in the service). And in this situation, so that the Armenians do not give a fight, we must keep everyone in a martial law ...
so the sphere of influence due to the "Karabakh conflict" in our country in the Caucasus will not be challenged by NATO members of all colors and stripes for a long time!

[ViRUS-007]

Well, at the expense of Georgia, however, you were deceiving, I saw how self-sufficient it was ... They got it all by themselves, when they started to rake off, NATO almost got into the ass ... Not well, I understand there, Sakishvili and everyone there muddied, but if the state self-sufficient, then such things will not allow. Well, as for the fact that Russia needs this "conflict", I think you are mistaken here, why do we need our "fence" problems? Take an example: Kazakhstan, Belarus, there are no "such" problems. About the outskirts, so it's not for us, there is a pind. Stop "srul", while, I think, it is not long left ...

The war imposed by Russia does not need Azerbaijanis and Armenians. the Russian side would not be interested in this conflict, we would have long ago resolved all issues on Karabakh.

Just don’t say that Russia is bothering you in everything, somewhere I have already heard this, but did you pick up the ukrops? this "disease" has reached you ...
It would be a desire to solve all this peacefully ....

[Stavros]

You’re boiling over there on the border, and Azerbaijani marshals are still sitting here. You were so eager to fight. Maybe it's time to go to the border?

[ayyildiz]

They have a population and military in the country! But it’s interesting what you are doing here or you’ll hide behind your old people!

[Stavros]

Another experd. In 94, there was also enough that I didn’t recall further, so as not to affect the patriotic feelings of Azerbaijani marshals

[ayyildiz]

1919-1921 I do not remind either

And to be honest, we are quietly and without war ....

[Daniz]

The war imposed by Russia does not need Azerbaijanis and Armenians. the Russian side would not be interested in this conflict, we would have long ago resolved all issues on Karabakh.

[tigran2]

mutual understanding at this point is felt.

[andj61]

Quote: DANIZ

The war imposed by Russia does not need Azerbaijanis and Armenians. the Russian side would not be interested in this conflict, we would have long ago resolved all issues on Karabakh.

The force method still does not work! They tried to do this for a long time, the situation only worsened! In order to regain territory by force, Azerbaijan needs to have an advantage five to six times: the usual ratio - on the offensive - 3: 1, and there the mountainous terrain and the long-prepared defense are, in general, a new Afghanistan, everything will drown in blood, and victories, which one could be proud anyway. Russia is extremely disadvantageous with this conflict, we have millions of Armenians and Azerbaijanis living here, this conflict also splits Russia, as it does the South Caucasus. It is necessary to negotiate, and preferably by ourselves. May God and Allah give wisdom and endurance to your leaders!
And as to resolving the issue on my own - I remember very well how the previous attempt went: a lot of blood, many killed and injured - and the mass exodus of Azerbaijanis of draft age to Russia. Just like now from Ukraine. And - the loss of its territory. Suppose now Azerbaijan is better prepared. But is it worth sacrificing the best for hard-to-reach goals? Armenia has no strength to attack, but enough to defend. Russia can intervene only in an attack on the territory of Armenia itself, but how one does not want to be forced to do it!
It’s better to come to an agreement in any way, to regain your own uncontested lands - and freeze the decision on the status of Karabakh itself - even for 100 years. It is beneficial to everyone!

[Yeraz]

Quote: Stavros

You’re boiling over there on the border, and Azerbaijani marshals are still sitting here. You were so eager to fight. Maybe it's time to go to the border?

And we don’t go parsya. We are all ready, my friends and I for sure. Relatives went to the military commissariat. They said go home, wait for the order to mobilize, only then. So that did not worry.

[Stavros]

I know that you’ve been ready for 20 years, and I’m more confident that you’ll be at the platoon for another 40 years. Relatives to which military enlistment office didn’t go to Russian for an hour

[berlog]

on twitter is better - maybe they’ll go there

[TURKISH]

And what kind of Armenian are you shy of your nation?

[Stavros]

Quote: lonely

For me, there is only one enemy, the one that occupied part of my country.

So why are you sitting and balabol here, running to the border. Or do you think that Apollo will run instead of you, release 20 percent.

[ayyildiz]

As you see, Azerbaijan is eating who will release!

[tigran2]

K. Petrosyan is accused of being a soldier, presenting photographs allegedly extracted from his mobile phone. Meanwhile, the high quality of the images, given the old model of the mobile phone and the lack of faces in the photo, suggest that these frames were not taken from this mobile phone, but were most likely uploaded there later, after the capture of K. Petrosyan. There is every reason to believe that Karen Petrosyan died last night as a result of torture by the Azerbaijani military. It is also noteworthy that, according to information, he died in Baku, and an autopsy is carried out in Ganja (the distance between these cities is 372 km).

[tigran2]

Where to Delhi Photo of a captured saboteur who dragged 3 landmines, 1 RPG 7,2 machine guns with shops, and on his old mobile phone "Nokia" filmed Azerbaijani troops with the quality of a professional digital apparatus and as many as three different resolutions. Can you get rid of the minuses?

[Stavros]

Hey general, maybe you can tell why in the very first picture, when this Armenian clown was captured, he was in white sneakers, and here he is wearing army shoes. And what a saboteur who knocks on the door and asks for tea. About how they detained him, I don’t write at all.

[ayyildiz]

[quote = Stavros] Hey general, [/ quot
Will you tell your wife clearly?

[Stavros]

Why are you so fed up. Question uncomfortable or what?

[ayyildiz]

Not a question but an expression!
But the photo is definitely not comfortable for you!

[berlog]

But is it protected from the shepherd - is it sewn up?
Karen the shepherd and just asked for tea

[Yeraz]

Quote: Stavros

So why are you sitting and balabol here, running to the border. Or do you think that Apollo will run instead of you, release 20 percent.

Are you just trolling or are you really slowing down ??

[Stavros]

Wrong.
Literally 10 days already, serious clashes have been going on at the border. All Azerbaijani marshals and generals of the VO site beat themselves in the chest, that at the first clashes they will be in the trenches at the front line. So, guys, go ahead. What can I expect?
By the way, I want to remind you that if you appear in the war zone, you automatically lose your marshal's and general's epaulettes, and automatically become ordinary. So you will not be able to sit out at the headquarters.

[ayyildiz]

Quote: Stavros

So the headquarters will not be able to sit out the mess.

I’ve been at headquarters for a maximum of a month during my service! So I’m definitely not going to be in the first and ordinary

[TURKISH]

There is no need to spend time on this unemployed person, they have unemployment and hunger in Armenia, their only entertainment in the village is an Internet club.

[225chay]

Quote: Stavros

Literally 10 days already, serious clashes have been going on at the border. All Azerbaijani marshals and generals of the VO site beat themselves in the chest, that at the first clashes they will be in the trenches at the front line. So, guys, go ahead. What can I expect?

Mr. Stavropol Armenian, why are you still hiding in Russia and not in the advanced trenches on the same border?
Earlier you argued that you are Greek, but according to your "Armenian-patriotic" sobs, it has long been clear who you really are!
And in your original tradition of bringing someone more powerful into your conflict, you have surpassed everyone.
Stop pitting peoples, stop deceiving people, never take someone else’s so you don’t have to give then, people are not stupid and they see everything!

[work67]

for how they are friends in Moscow and everyone keeps the markets ...... and they are very cool parasitizing on local

[Stavros]

Quote: DANIZ

in the 15th century, with the rapid growth of the Persian Khanate, the lands around Lake Van (approx. northwestern Iran), where the ancestral lands of the Armenians were,

Citizens, Azerbaijani marshals, you would gather somewhere in the market in a teahouse, and decide among yourself where the Homeland of the Armenians is. And then one writes that this is India, another the Balkans, a third that they are Martians. And so over tea, maybe you will come to a general conclusion.

[alone]

Greek, go deal with your Greece. She’s already fed up with her requests for alms.

[ayyildiz]

[quote=lonely]Greek, go deal with your Greece.[/quote
And I wonder what kind of Greek he is? does he know Turkish?
Most likely only the site is Greek!

[Daniz]

LONELY!, let's go to the guards to drink tea. Well, these incendiaries are in a holey stump. Our people will not have peace until all sorts of p..s stop barking from the northern side...

[Stavros]

I didn’t even know that all of Greece was screwing you. Thanks for the information.

[nomad74]

Quote: Salamander

And today the militiamen were walking, walking and suddenly they see: a column! They think: give me a bum! 5 cars burned, one remained. We decided to examine it. And in the Javelina's car! The Americans are delivering humanitarian aid. Good, fell into those hands.

Is the information on Javelins verified? If so, then urgently send this information to the UN Security Council and let’s see what these births will babble about the supply of non-lethal aid!

[Apollo]

video info without comments.

[Yeraz]

According to the article. Well, we met, drank tea, watched the fight and EVERYTHING!!!!! Everything will continue to be the same.

[Daniz]

To the moderator: my answer to StavrosU was unfairly deleted. you're playing against the same goal...

[Apollo]

Quote: DANIZ

To the moderator: my answer to StavrosU was unfairly deleted.

You violated the rules of the VO forum. As for the visitor you mentioned......his comments were also deleted by me at one time.

Quote: DANIZ

you're playing against the same goal...

For this expression --.For the future, choose your expressions.
I don’t feel any sympathy or antipathy for anyone. There are forum rules, if you please, follow them. I don’t make concessions depending on nationality, religion, merit or rating on the forum. The rules apply to everyone.

[andj61]

Apollon, I express my admiration for you! Still, it is very difficult for you to remain objective in such a matter!

[berlog]

good day everyone
In recent days, everything that has been happening in the Caucasus has given rise to contemplation and understanding of many things
The conflict created from outside, as well as the accommodation of decisions on the part of the West, is very similar to the processes 100 years ago, and now, when we are also talking about restitution, we all need to understand how to live further
the rhetoric of war is far different from the truth - how to defend the homeland and now there is little that can hinder the understanding that - each nation must do this on its own
The meeting and everything that happened today is interesting to me in some aspects
- speech of the President of the Russian Federation where Armenia is re-introduced as a strategic partner
and more
- open question from the Armenian president
to which we hope to hear an answer
I think that everything that will be said here will not be one of the mite answers - what they have been listening and reading for 20 years
time is not in favor if you look at it from all angles and the fact that Armenia can infringe on its borders - you can keep quiet about it

Den

[berlog]

I already wrote about the topic
Now I'm looking at the dialogue
no, what's the point of all this if there is no understanding of one thing?
- What prevents you from living without the rhetoric of power?
buy anything - but killing a prisoner / not a prisoner of war / is low
and there are no words to add. But it's worse to brag about it
after all, there is God in the world and it’s true that war has no conscience - but every person has it
don’t think that this tale denies our right to be strong and that’s what we are
but conscience?
the strong are silent about strength and we know this from the street
and swing a sword in the air... anyone can do it

Best regards - see you tomorrow

[nomad74]

Good news! It’s good that the meeting took place under such intense passions and mutual hostility! The only way out is negotiations! I am for peace in Transcaucasia!

[Homo sapiens]

Quote: omsbon

If the Armenians are 99%, then let them live in Armenia. It seems logical to me!

This is how they live in Armenia! These are the ancestral lands of the Armenians. Since ancient times!!! And then, in the relatively recent past, they became part of the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. Does this whole story remind you of anything? Well, what would you say if someone wrote to you: well, since there are so many Russians in Crimea, let them live in Russia... And this conflict is not only more ancient, but also interreligious. Don't forget about this: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%E5%ED%EE%F6%E8%E4_%E0%F0%EC%FF%ED

[Homo sapiens]

That's great! Because of one minus, I immediately lost my title in the ranking....
In 1915, the Ottoman Empire committed genocide of the Armenian people, and for this they gave me a minus, a Ukrainian by nationality!!! THANK YOU!!! And no one wants to give me a minus for the Holocaust?

[Victorio]

Quote: Tigran2

There would be no tragic Sumgayit and Baku events, military operation ,, Ring ,,, Shaumyan’s cleansing of Armenian villages, maybe they would leave

you still haven’t answered why Russians are/are leaving Armenia?

[Hairy Siberian]

Quote: Victorio

you still haven’t answered why Russians are/are leaving Armenia?

Why why - it’s difficult to live there, Armenians are leaving there too.

[tigran2]

Sorry, I think you were mistaken, they are arriving now. By the way, there is such a program, “Compatriots,” for the repatriation of Russian speakers to Russia.

[225chay]

Quote: Victorio

you still haven’t answered why Russians are/are leaving Armenia?

They don’t just leave or have left there!
The Armenians, by their actions and attitude towards them, simply survived those who, due to their service or by the will of fate, were there.
Nationalism is no worse than Hitler's

[tanit]

When they tried to cut off my friend, who was serving in military service in those days, he did not care who it was, Armenians or Azerbaijanis. He doesn’t look like a Russian or an Armenian or an Azerbaijani, he’s a Kazakh.
And the fact that an attempt at conversation took place is in itself good and healthy.

[Sars]

Quote: Rostov

How do you explain the fact that almost 200000 Russians now live in Azerbaijan?

Before the revolution, 70-80 percent of Russians lived in Baku.

[pahom54]

It’s strange - the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan say that the issue, that is, the problem with NKAO, should be resolved by Russia... It’s even more strange that 99% of the population in NKAO are Armenians... Give freedom to this republic (they are also consider themselves a republic?), recognize its independence - independence from both Armenia and Azerbaijan... Well, as much as possible...

[tigran2]

and then international law will truly work as law.

[Stavros]

Quote: 225chay

Mister Stavropol Armenian

Whose cow would moo... Judging by your posts, your hatred of Armenians is simply off the charts. And you dare to accuse me of hiding my nationality, Mr. Russian Azerbaijani.
And if we assume that you are Russian, and you, hating the Armenians so much, support the Azerbaijanis, then why can’t I, an Orthodox Greek, support the Armenians. Our peoples have a lot in common. Read history in your spare time, maybe it will open your eyes a little.

[Hairy Siberian]

Dear Stavros, don’t pay attention to this little thing. I actually suspect that he is the first secret victim of Gazmeat.

[225chay]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

In general, I suspect that he is the first secret victim of Gasmeat.

you are hairy, apparently a victim of radiation)))))))))))))

[amitoria]

Why can’t we just divide this Nagorno-Karabakh in half between Azerbaijan and Armenia? This would be an alternative, compromise option; they would not agree otherwise, because everyone wants to get everything, and this is impossible without war. I think the likelihood of a resumption of this war is very high, because I have little faith in the ability of these parties to come to an agreement.