Some aspects of providing unreliable information in the chain of command

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I want to consider the issue of lies, inaccurate data, deception in the army, family, team and other closed, interdependent groups. Entire libraries are filled with the arguments of humanists about whether false is permissible. Basically it is a poem, singing different types of deception of the closest people. T. n. “lie to salvation” is declared the first necessity of mankind, the basis of civilization and downright holy. And let's consider a lie, that is, the provision of incorrect data to a member of your group, from the point of view of an engineer. We have something to say on the subject, believe me.

So, what is a group, a team, a military unit from the point of view of systems engineering? This, of course, is a system that obeys all the laws of the functioning, development, and death of various systems. And from this point of view ... In general, let's go from the beginning.

The fundamental condition for the functioning of the system is the presence of feedback from it. Example. Consider a person as a system (this is most conveniently — simply, visually and scientifically true). A man puts his hand in the fire. What's next? And it depends on the presence or absence in his body of the most important property - feedback! That is, whether the brain is informed about the negative impact. There is a connection - and the person withdraws his hand. It is not - and the hand continues to burn.

What system in human form will continue its functioning? Not a very hard question, right? The lack of feedback leads to unacceptable damage to the system and its death at any time when the system is facing a crisis. Yes, and in the usual search for resources, such a system loses to others using feedback, and still dies, but not so quickly. The most important factor of survival and development, that's what this connection is. No actions, no potentially available resources, no plans and forecasts will lead to a successful system, if the feedback is somehow broken.

Well, with every single person everything is clear. And the group? And with a group like that. Man is a gregarious animal. This is if in terms of biology. And from the point of view of humanity, alone, a person can successfully perform only one successful action - to die. It always goes alone ... Successful survival, development, progress, expansion of range and recovery - only by a group. Only uniting people, in which the interests of the team are above the interests of each individual, can ensure the future for all, the future of children, the protection of the weak, the way forward and a bit of beauty in the world. Someone must give everything, including life, for everyone to live and move forward. Familiar to the military, right?

In general, a group of people united around a particular goal creates for each member its survival potential, which is several times greater than that for each person alone. Even three people are already immeasurably stronger than three singles, simply because they have to sleep. While one is on duty - two sleeping people have real chances not only to sleep well, but also to wake up. It seems so far everything is simple, so simple that it is not clear why I am chatting all this? So far, so simple. Until...

Next step. And if all competing systems are provided with feedback and about the same set of properties and resources? Who will lead in the struggle for resources, for territory, for the future, for a breath of air, finally? And now a little harder ... Although nothing too incomprehensible. Wins the one whose device is better. Just a little bit. Remember the anecdote about American studies on the topic "Why do Russians win battles?" And the answer - go to the mat, it can be explained at times shorter. It's funny, only this is not just a joke. In general, whose machines work better, whose hands wave faster, and most importantly - whose feedback works more clearly and cleaner, whose data transfer device conveys to the decision center exactly the right amount of reliable information - that is what will win. No exceptions. This is not a hoax. Is your feedback perfect? You're a winner.

And now the question. Do you think that the human brain takes into account all of my arguments, which are very simple in general? Brain - the most powerful and perfect survival machine, created thousands of thousands of years. The mass of data in it, and most importantly, the means and methods of processing this data, are inaccessible to human consciousness. Consciousness will just give up, if you have to handle at the same time everything that brings the world to us. We are little aware of the work of a huge number of filters in this super-perfect machine, which does not mean that these filters are missing. They are, they are desperately working, trying to give us a chance to survive and continue the race, they determine most of our actions. Consciousness is very important when it has enough “tyamy” to follow what we unreasonably call “instincts”, “subconscious”, etc., etc.

Our position in the group is monitored by our consciousness. But not only consciousness. Our mind desperately monitors all the available information about the group with a simple goal - to determine how our position and the position of our group contributes to survival. This is the most important, primary task for the brain. And then ... And then someone lies to us. Who is it? Who utters false information? The issue is fundamentally important. All is crucial. As they say bad memory Americans - the question of a billion.

Because you need to decide what to do with the spoken data. And this is a crucial moment. Let the data said a stranger, not a member of our group. A stranger is neutral (unlikely) or hostile (very likely), which means that the likelihood of lies, deception, unreliable data leading our group to destruction and death is extremely high. And the information runs on a chain of checks. It is long, often unacceptably long in terms of obtaining the best result. But this path will protect our team from destruction and destruction. In an acute situation with a lack of time, it is better to completely ignore the information that came from a stranger. Immeasurably safer.

And if the information says your? Own interested in the survival and victory of our group, right? Information goes immediately to the decision center as reliable! We win feedback time, we win, we are ahead! And this is a lie ... Well, as a rule, this is a "necessary" lie. So says a liar. He "keeps state interests." He "saves the family." He "does not want to disturb," he wants what's best ... But the brains of his partners know: a lie is always a lie. Even a trifle may be needed later, use it - and you will die. "Because there was no nail in the forge." Someone asked - so there is a nail? And he answered - there is! In order not to disturb. The nail is nothing ...

And what does the human brain do? How to. He marks the liar. Near the array of data denoting this person, there is a label - "someone else"! This is how you, for example, lose your family. For some time the consciousness fights with the subconscious, but no positive emotions, no love can cope with what it wants to kill you. Your brain thinks so, because this person is lying to you! And you know what? He is generally right ...

But this is a military site, so consider the commander, although ... In general, the commander, who fell in the subordinates in the "alien", it is even worse. His orders are not only carried out slowly and with extreme reluctance, at the most acute moment they are generally ignored! Remember? You can not follow the instructions of a stranger, he wants to kill me! But we are soldiers ?! Are we going to die anyway? Then he wants the worst - he will spend our lives in vain. Everything will be in vain, we will die without benefit for those for whom we are ready to die! So the orders are blocked, and these may be true orders, maybe the victory depended on them ...

Do not lie to your own. Anything but that.
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  1. +1
    11 August 2014 14: 17
    And can you write a little easier, in a more accessible language of the average man or something ???? hi
    1. +5
      11 August 2014 14: 28
      Yellow white
      What do not you understand?
      Report of the Kyrgyz Republic - KB-hundred defects, KB-KP-50, KP-KD-25, KD-KA-10, KA-Kokrug.

      Admin ???
      Where did the rest of the comment go?
      1. +2
        11 August 2014 14: 46
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        Admin ???
        Where did the rest of the comment go?

        I also lost some of my comments today twice (Something is not working ...
        1. +1
          11 August 2014 14: 48
          Belopolyak
          strange things .. Removed the place to be a fact, someone to see such facts as a sickle in one place.
          And then such articles are born in which the question is perplexed, but what is so bad with us ....
      2. 0
        11 August 2014 16: 09
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        Yellow white
        What do not you understand?
        Report of the Kyrgyz Republic - KB-hundred defects, KB-KP-50, KP-KD-25, KD-KA-10, KA-Kokrug.

        From the point of view of a local banal individual, your irony in this concept is not associated with the theory of paradoxical phenomena. Here feel
    2. +5
      11 August 2014 14: 33
      Then he wants the worst - he will spend our lives in vain. Everything will be in vain, we will perish without benefit to those for whom we are ready to die!


      Don't you think this is about ukro-warriors? They are dying stupidly, they don’t understand why. The militia’s everything is exactly the opposite, it’s very clear and understandable: here he is a friend, and here he is an enemy. Good luck to the guys in an unequal battle .
      1. +3
        11 August 2014 15: 44
        Quote: subbtin.725
        Then he wants the worst - he will spend our lives in vain. Everything will be in vain, we will perish without benefit to those for whom we are ready to die!


        Do not you think that this is about ukro-warriors? They are dying stupidly, you don’t understand why. At the militia, everything is exactly the opposite

        More about us. And to our power. The people are very sensitive to lies and once they have lied, the government loses its trust. Everyone will shout "approvals" as before, bravo, congenially! But at the decisive moment they will not go for this power (it will click in the brain - this is in vain, this is useless). Those who are older remember the USSR - the diagnosis is cognitive dissonance. The people have lost faith, but you won't get far on slogans
      2. 0
        11 August 2014 21: 29
        Quote: subbtin.725
        Do not you think that this is about ukro-warriors?

        Let me object hi : This is not only about ukrov-it is ABM ALL! And about us, including - about Russia. However, a typical situation for any community of people with political leadership "at the top": the marker "alien" in such groups is assigned to almost every member of the political elite, not necessarily by the majority, but by significant portions of the group members. And a precarious balance is maintained only due to the constant comparison of leaders with their environment: if the Leader "as a whole" lies less than the "second level" of the top, it means that he can be perceived as a Leader. But as soon as he equals the assistants, an imbalance will begin, which can lead to a coup.
    3. +5
      11 August 2014 14: 34
      In general, we are taught from childhood that it’s impossible to lie, it’s not good. This is how one should go through life, although, to be honest, it does not always work out.
    4. +6
      11 August 2014 14: 36
      Quote: Black and White
      And can you write a little easier, in a more accessible language of the average man or something ???? hi

      On the contrary, everything is chewed ...
    5. net abortion
      +6
      11 August 2014 14: 51
      Quote: Black and White
      more accessible language

      Confiscation
      The parliament is discussing a bill put forward by Minister Avakov, according to which the property of "terrorists" and their supporters can be confiscated in state revenue in order to replenish the budget in terms of the future restoration of the destroyed territory of Donbass and Luhansk oblast.

      Considering that almost the entire population of the DPR and LPR are understood as terrorists, we can talk about creating conditions for the complete civil disqualification of an unlimited number of people.

      In any order, any of them may be declared a terrorist or an accomplice - after which he will be completely deprived of all property belonging to him.
      feel

      In addition, a problem arises - what to do with the property that has been abandoned by refugees trying to save themselves from genocide.

      Now it can be confiscated, and in fact, people will have nowhere to return after the war.

      It is about creating a legal mechanism to eliminate the disloyal population.

      Millions of homeless people and beggars, who suddenly lost everything they acquired, will inevitably be forced to leave the "liberated" territory.

      In addition, the bill is supposed to be extended not only to the ATO zone, but to the entire territory of Ukraine.

      Now in Odessa, Kharkov, and Kiev anyone suspected of sympathizing with the "terrorists" will be deprived of everything and thrown into the street.

      Ukraine is in full swing towards a full-fledged fascist dictatorship.

      Now it draws up its new legal system of repression and total terror, while maintaining the appearance of democracy and the rule of law.



      el_murid August 11, 2014
      1. 0
        11 August 2014 23: 51
        Quote: net abort
        The parliament is discussing a bill put forward by Minister Avakov, according to which the property of "terrorists"

        will not be accepted. There are too many "dangerous" ones for the oligarchy.
        And the mention of Kharkiv and Odessa, and even more so about Maidan Kiev (as you can see that it is there that there are "sympathizers") - it is extremely unprofitable for ZRADA to spoil the population. So there are enough women riots and wars.
        They slammed the nationalists with their manic plans to ban the Russian language, since they already made a rustle.
        If an external dictatorship over Kiev is unlikely, such drastic measures will be applied. So everything is on the verge of patience. Both internal and external.
        If such laws come out then there will be no one to rule ..
    6. +1
      11 August 2014 15: 07
      Yellow white
      And can you write a little easier, in a more accessible language of the average man or something ????

      I read everything - from beginning to end, several times. I found several sentences written simply and more or less accessible to the average person in language. I think this is the quintessence of this article.
      Remember the joke about American research on the topic “Why do Russians win battles”? And the answer is that they switch to the mat, it can be explained at times shorter. Funny, only this is not just a joke .... You are a winner ...
      And now the question. Do you think the human brain takes into account all of my, very simple, in general, reasoning?

      Here in such a simple interpretation of the article - it takes into account. Because not only the commander, but even an ordinary soldier, everything is clear "one or two". But what has to do with here "some aspects of providing inaccurate information in the chain of command" well, it is never clear!
      1. 0
        11 August 2014 15: 47
        The article is demagoguery. In short, the Gospel says: "Yes, yes, no, no! And everything else is from the evil one." Another simple option is the parable about the shepherd and the wolves. And there is no need to spread the porridge on the plate. As for the military aspects and inaccurate information from the commander or for the commander, everything is described in the Regulations. You need to KNOW them and FOLLOW THEM. No system water is suitable here. You might think that systems technicians are not taught in institutes, that the simpler, the more reliable and correct.
    7. +3
      11 August 2014 15: 21
      The systems engineer wrote .... he feels like that himself. but a living organism is not a sequence of ones and zeros. Here everything is more complicated, here, as the great ones said, the nuances are important ... The beginning of the article made me happy, but then ... Feedback at the yes-no level is important only in an extreme situation (read in close combat) in other cases it can lead to self-destruction of the model (sorry team, device, detachment, individual). Examples are simple and trivial ... with 1 and 0 it is now impossible to equip the APU with dill ... if there is no support for the morale, then they will scatter themselves (who knows how to analyze and does this ..), the same thing about the militias, I'm sure the whole truth is not said ( otherwise they will take revenge, and this is a breakdown of the formed group as a system) semitones are needed ... without them, neither how, but the truth does not go to the 1-0 system at all, since history and truth are written by historians based on additional information and for the sake of political realities. One and the same event can be interpreted in different ways, depending on the point of view, as Jonathan Livingston said, “Everyone has their own truth, but the truth is the same, but no one knows it ...
    8. +2
      11 August 2014 16: 12
      Black and White (2) RU Today, 14:17 PM
      And you can write a little easier, .. "... you can ...
      The lie in assessing the situation and subsequent decision making and its implementation is the replacement of cement by river sand during the construction of the foundation of a multi-storey building. laughing
    9. Cadet787
      0
      11 August 2014 17: 15
      11.08.2014 - 16: 36
      Militia summary: Today is a holiday - 3 months of the existence of New Russia, while the DPR exists for 4 months


      Militia summary: Today is a holiday - 3 months of the existence of New Russia, while the DPR has 4 months | Russian spring
      11.08.14/12/22 XNUMX:XNUMX Moscow time. Overview of the combat situation from the militia Prokhorov
      “The junts again began shelling Ilovaisk.
      A bit on the losses in the "gut" among the border guards:
      From UkroSMI: 170 border guards returned to Cherkasy who had been serving in the anti-terrorist operation zone since June 16. Among them - 47 reservists. Most are from Cherkasy region. At the same time, in the east of the country there is still a small group of border guards who will be engaged in the search for missing comrades. Friends, parents, wives and children created a living corridor and greeted the buses with loud applause and cheers. Unfortunately, not everyone returned to Cherkasy - 12 soldiers died. The management of the State Border Service has decided that the military of the Orshanets Training Center will no longer go to Donbass.
      12 - from Cherkasy, 7 - from the Odessa border detachment (the seventh was identified in the morgue of Mariupol just yesterday), and there, you see, we will find out the real losses of the combined detachment of border guards in the "gut".
      The military from the 24 Brigade raised a riot in Zaporizhia: after 53 days in the ATO zone, they are denied leave to leave on 10 days.
      By the way, yesterday’s destruction of 3 units of armored vehicles at the Lugansk airport and the losses incurred as a result of an attack from a punitive checkpoint in the Sands area (Donetsk) was recognized as enemies.
      INFA from enemies:

      “Details of yesterday’s incident with the shooting of a convoy of Ukrainian troops in the Luhansk region from direct participants in the incident. Starting yesterday morning, the enemy was shot to the road on which everything happened. The Ukrainian military, who watched this site, reported - you can’t go. Beat from mortars and howitzers. In addition, the road is very narrow. But the command decided in its own way. The column of the 1st tank brigade was sent from the Lugansk airport, and the 80th brigade - to meet, from Happiness. They met at about 14:30, on the same site, head-on. Impossible to part, you need to rebuild, stalled. And the shelling began. As a result, 3 “three hundredths”, one heavy, and 17 burned-out wheeled vehicles. ”
      In Avdiivka, mercenaries do not stop looting, from the city executive committee they carried out absolutely everyone, they opened empty apartments, and soon they would reach those who still have residents.
      Today, by the way, the holiday is 3 months of the existence of New Russia (at the same time, the DPR exists for 4 months, as an independent - 3 months). In honor of the holiday, a fountain was launched in Khartsyzsk.
    10. 0
      11 August 2014 19: 00
      Yes, much easier. Very figuratively stated. Himself in the first specialty is a systems engineer. Article plus unconditional.
    11. 0
      16 August 2014 17: 54
      wink
      "- Sivka-burka prophetic kaurka, stand in front of me like a leaf before the grass!
      - Uh-uh ... Ivan, but it can be somehow simpler, otherwise our horses' associative array will still be poorer. "
      wink
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  2. +2
    11 August 2014 14: 21
    Or to write formulas? Also gives an aura of science. And so a solid gag turns out.
  3. +1
    11 August 2014 14: 21
    Already flooded completely
  4. +7
    11 August 2014 14: 25
    The main principle that I had to learn is a set of simple TWO RULES:

    When performing the combat mission, it is necessary to achieve the following goals:

    1. Saving the lives of fighters.
    2. Execution of the Order.

    And only in SUCH sequences need to complete the Combat Task, and not vice versa.
    Both points are mandatory.
    Thus, you remove the possible mistakes of the "bad" task, of which there are also many, even without any "strangers".
    So lisaped has long been invented.

    ps By the way, when the fighters understand THIS alignment of "Work" - they begin to really BELIEVE the commanders.
    1. Dmitriy1975
      +6
      11 August 2014 14: 33
      You are wrong, 1 Fulfillment of the order,
      2Saving life and health
      3 storage of entrusted property, equipment and weapons
      1. +1
        11 August 2014 14: 49
        Death is not an objective reason for not fulfilling an order laughing
      2. +5
        11 August 2014 14: 49
        Quote: Dmitriy1975
        You are wrong, 1 Fulfillment of the order,
        2Saving life and health
        3 storage of entrusted property, equipment and weapons

        Dmitry, I still remember the PPR lectures, and I can still quote some chapters of the BUSW from memory ...
        Don't wave the flag like that, okay?
        No offense.

        The fact that the Order must be FULFILLED is clear to a drunken hedgehog in the taiga, but HOW will it be executed?
        Whoever "worked" will understand me - there are always a lot of tasks set, orders are oh so different ...
        Therefore, the above rules were dictated by the situation itself.

        Yes, the initiative in the Army is punishable, but a stupid commander and a dumb soldier is the worst thing that can be on a theater.
        ORDERS NEEDED TO BE CAREFULLY, and the first task in executing the order is to SAVE THE LIFE OF YOUR FIGHTERS.

        There are exceptions to this rule when items change places ... but this is very painful exceptions.
      3. 0
        11 August 2014 18: 22
        Not true. Is an. This is even the swinger and humanist G.K. Zhukov admitted.
    2. 0
      11 August 2014 14: 45
      Quote: Aleks tv
      1. Saving the lives of fighters.
      2. Execution of the Order.

      But if, unfortunately, saving your life does not work?
      1. +1
        11 August 2014 15: 00
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        But if, unfortunately, saving your life does not work?

        Greetings, Vladimir.
        For a long time did not communicate.
        hi
        Quote: Aleks tv
        There are exceptions to this rule when items change places ... but these are very painful exceptions.

        That's what it is... painful an exception...
        In practice, it looks something like this:
        When your company is torn apart, but everyone understands that if you leave your positions, the neighboring companies will simply be spread on the ground ...
        Then you have to die, so as not to let down the other companies of the battalion ...
        But the fighters must THIS understand that ... there is simply NO OTHER EXIT.
        But this does not happen so often ... and thank God.

        And 90% of the Orders in the ordinary work environment are filtered through the rule written above, since no one canceled the mess during the conduct of hostilities.

        The guys from the Czechs-1 and Czechs-2, remember how it was ...

        ................
        ps All forget to speak on the article:
        The topic is topical, it is written interesting but ... too "abstruse".
        May the Author forgive me.
        1. 0
          11 August 2014 15: 46
          Quote: Aleks tv
          This is ... a painful exception ...

          the main thing is not to "life at any cost"
      2. reg_edit
        +1
        11 August 2014 15: 53
        Then you fucking ... Under each word of Alex three times I will subscribe.
  5. +2
    11 August 2014 14: 28
    Damn, what am I still stupid .... fool

    Thanks to the author for recalling. winked
    1. +3
      11 August 2014 14: 37
      Do not flatter yourself ... You could at least read. smile
  6. +3
    11 August 2014 14: 28
    guy you yourself do not know what you are writing !!!
  7. +2
    11 August 2014 14: 36
    The main idea of ​​the author is clear. But I didn’t read it to the end - it became boring.
  8. netwalker
    +2
    11 August 2014 14: 36
    well that's it .. my brain is completely blown up ...! fellow
  9. +5
    11 August 2014 14: 37
    Quote: Black and White
    And can you write a little easier, in a more accessible language of the average man or something ???? hi

    exactly the same brains obama powder-words a lot and the meaning is unclear what
    1. +2
      11 August 2014 17: 20
      In this sense, Obama and Gorbachev are similar. Both say nothing and twist the phrases so that if you read in the reverse order, you get the same thing. bully
  10. +2
    11 August 2014 14: 38
    there is only one problem in civilian life is the feeling that we developed feedback in melkosoft
  11. 0
    11 August 2014 14: 39
    Cool article ... I like to read such, although I rarely read. Only when I drink in the toilet. And when I drink it, it’s not always possible to get to the toilet. Cool article ...
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  13. +2
    11 August 2014 14: 41
    I recall a parable about a shepherd boy and wolves. So ukroSMI shout about the Russian invasion, which is not there. Will finish in the end.
  14. +2
    11 August 2014 14: 45
    A good article and the most interesting comments of our generals ........
    1. 0
      11 August 2014 14: 59
      These are not only generals, this is LIFE!
  15. +3
    11 August 2014 14: 47
    Well this is necessary, so subtly reveal the topic of trust ...
  16. +3
    11 August 2014 14: 52
    Ornate, of course, but if you strain, then everything is true. Only the feeling that the author was great at lying ...
  17. +2
    11 August 2014 14: 52
    Actually, the article is really dangerous ... For Western "comrades" sitting in the internet.
    ... traumatic ...
  18. +5
    11 August 2014 14: 53
    Quote: Black and White
    And can you write a little easier, in a more accessible language of the average man or something ???? hi

    If simpler, it sounds like this. Those countries that are waging an information war against their own people are doomed to defeat in confrontation with another country. Be it at least a military conflict, at least an economic one.
  19. +2
    11 August 2014 14: 53
    Lying is generally not good. First you lie, then you remember - how you lied, without remembering, you come up with a new lie, and to justify it, it's still big. So a little lie gives birth to a great lie!
  20. +1
    11 August 2014 14: 58
    If so, then in the family plan, what is holding back? After all, lies, laziness, theft, betrayal, are derivatives of one! From a democratic society!
    1. +1
      11 August 2014 16: 46
      And where did you see democratic societies in the modern world? You can even call yourself a goof.
  21. _Alien_
    -1
    11 August 2014 14: 59
    Remember the joke about American research on the topic “Why do Russians win battles”? And the answer is that they switch to the mat, it can be explained at times shorter. Funny, only this is not just a joke.

    I liked this place the most. wink
    In our army, without a mat, people would not understand each other.
    It seems that everyone speaks Russian, but without a mat in any way.
  22. 0
    11 August 2014 15: 01
    Thanks for the educational program on elementary psychology! There is already a topic spelling raised. Live and learn. You read some posts - you want to spit. Yes, to hell with them, with commas, at least the correct letters in the words would learn to write.
  23. 0
    11 August 2014 15: 12
    The article is correct, and, in general, obvious. Consequence (expanding the system). If you (God forbid) the head of state, and your expensive intelligence ($ 70 billion a year!) Hangs noodles from your ears on your ears, then your actions will be fatal for the whole group (that is, the country).
  24. 0
    11 August 2014 15: 15
    But if the false information for the ears of others is perceived as reliable by one’s own?
    http://www.anekdot.ru/an/an0608/o060802.html
    - Where's the log?
    - He knows, they say on a satellite, the macaque scratches.
  25. reg_edit
    0
    11 August 2014 15: 43
    Well, for the kids it will do. It is surprising that the author did not remember von Bertalanffy and other deceased classics of general systems theory. From the point of view of science, the article is nonsense, but we are not engaged in science here)) Dear Mikhail, what are you talking about? Say something intelligible about what you really want to say. And not about the "feedback" in which you do not seem to understand. Then you may be understood.
  26. 0
    11 August 2014 15: 48
    The solution to the question of trust in Ukrainian:
  27. +1
    11 August 2014 16: 02
    For recognition - forgiveness, for concealment - there is no pardon. It is better to manifest sin than secret. I will tell the gentlemen of the senators to keep their speech not in writing, but in their own words, so that the foolishness could be seen by everyone.

    Peter I angry
  28. 0
    11 August 2014 16: 03
    So at the household level, it was as if humorously began "Muscovites send frost on us, but they don't give gas" and spat in the direction of the north. And the poor did not think that this was done by the CREATOR - well, they spat in His direction! And where, after Novorossiya, will they do with the brutalized and tasted blood of Banderlog - after all, it is very dangerous to simply demobilize? So they will go to Transnistria together with the Romanians and Nata! And afterwards, and for the Crimea to take up ... So the CREATOR sent you the tests and sent you tests for more than one year!
  29. Akatsubasa
    +1
    11 August 2014 16: 14
    The author excellently described one situation, but the most important thing is completely overlooked. Omitting the mechanics of work to make it more understandable, people are not the primary source of lies. The main source of lies for each of us is our own brain. Not only that, what we see in blue is blue only for us and for creatures with a similar structure of the eye (cephalopods, for example). Not only that, in fact, we see the world "upside down" and the image correction takes place already on a stereotypical principle. The biggest lie of the brain is maintaining the stability and predictability of events) So with many times focusing on a flying fly, once on the seventh or eighth if a needle is stuck in your hand, you will not feel anything. Since no needle will exist in that "normal" picture of the world. Moreover, as long as you confirm visually (priority) or tactilely the presence of a needle in you, you will not even feel pain, while the resulting damage will be minimal, since there is no stress response of the vessels with the release of blood. By and large, if you quietly remove this needle, a small wound will heal by itself, with minimal participation of platelets) Natalya Petrovna Bekhtereva said about this that “The brain loves to joke with us, even if we ourselves do not understand it.”

    Such a stereotypical perception is reflected not only in this example, but in everything around a person and passing through his brain. The brain offers a person a picture of the world, not so much supporting maximum survival, as supporting maximum comfort and stability (in other words, the brain is lazy)). And to kill such a stereotypical perception can only either a shock factor relating to the person himself, or direct receipt of information through a visual channel)

    Why would I say all this, it would seem?) And to the fact that the information entering our brain is initially incomplete and unreliable. And while the problem is not solved at this level, it is simply useless to talk about the effect of secondary and subsequent distortion of information) Like this)
  30. 0
    11 August 2014 17: 08
    Quote: 23 region
    Quote: subbtin.725
    Then he wants the worst - he will spend our lives in vain. Everything will be in vain, we will perish without benefit to those for whom we are ready to die!


    Do not you think that this is about ukro-warriors? They are dying stupidly, you don’t understand why. At the militia, everything is exactly the opposite

    More about us. And to our power. The people are very sensitive to lies and once they have lied, the government loses its trust. Everyone will shout "approvals" as before, bravo, congenially! But at the decisive moment they will not go for this power (it will click in the brain - this is in vain, this is useless). Those who are older remember the USSR - the diagnosis is cognitive dissonance. The people have lost faith, but you won't get far on slogans

    The people not only lost faith, but also snickered, relaxed. Here he was raped by grabbers and grabbers. And still have. Everything is trite, which we never value! Everyone forgot about the negative in tsarism, capitalism, imperialism and decided that if we go over to imperialism, everyone thought that HE WILL BE RICH! EXACTLY HE!
  31. 0
    11 August 2014 18: 01
    Quote: Dmitriy1975
    You are wrong, 1 Fulfillment of the order,
    2Saving life and health
    3 storage of entrusted property, equipment and weapons

    The task of any commander to fulfill the order with the least possible losses.
    For a good commander, the life of a fighter is a personal tragedy. Therefore, saving the lives of fighters in the execution of an order is the first rule of a successful mission!
  32. +1
    11 August 2014 18: 32
    Guys! And tempt the vodovki everyone, but according to their weight, and everyone will see a completely different picture. And the author is wise in his vision of the world. And I am already good in Ukraine. Yes, even in the midst of unique margenals.
  33. 0
    11 August 2014 23: 52
    and tea generally changes the picture of the world ...
  34. 0
    12 August 2014 00: 01
    There are simply no people in the world who speak only the truth all their lives. And if there is, then they are usually placed in a psychiatric hospital, and for a long time. There is even a comedy with Jim Carrey, when his son "bewitched" him to tell only the truth. And in one day he lost everything that he had collected all his life. Even his old and faithful secretary ran away from him ... This is a comedy, but it definitely shows the relationship of people, if you become a kind of truth-telling. Nobody likes the truth. Tell the chief, especially the military one, that he does not correspond to his position and at the crucial moment will destroy a lot of people, and possibly himself. At the very least, it will rot, will not assign a rank during the time, torture with nagging and so on. There are many opportunities. And if such a truth-teller speaks to any member of the team about their shortcomings, then the team will hate him. So what remains is to go and quietly shoot himself from a service weapon! We are all liars to measure, but this is the only way to live in a human herd.
    If the question is about throwing in false information, on the basis of which serious conclusions are made, then one person’s data cannot be used. Even if he is not an enemy. After all, he himself could have received false information or misunderstood it. For this purpose, a system of collecting information and its analysis is being created. Moreover, the most experienced and smart people are involved in the analysis. And on the basis of many direct and indirect data, a picture of what is happening is created and decisions are made.
    1. 0
      13 August 2014 02: 44
      Validation of information, with a lack of time for analysis - comparison with your own experience. An experienced person, an experienced person who has undergone training and internship, has made the right decisions himself — these are exactly what should be set by the bosses. Yes, it rarely happens in life.
  35. 0
    12 August 2014 00: 04
    Feedback works well in automatic regulators, where nothing prevents you from applying a part of the output signal to the input and getting one or another regulation law. And in socio-political structures built on the principle of a vertical hierarchy, distortions are introduced into this feedback in each link, in ultimately, the information does not reach the terminal terminal.
  36. Demon0n
    0
    12 August 2014 00: 23
    A couple of nuances ...
    1) Mutually exclusive motivations and "factors".
    2) Extremely complex natural systems that take into account the conflict of concepts.
    3) Lack of complete information, and as a result, lack of absolute rationality.
    Bottom line: the world is not black and white, but the brain, a truly complex object (more complicated than a calculator that does not know how to divide by zero), able to handle conflicting and opposing factors.
    P.S. Do not try to drive super-complex (natural) systems under simplified logic. The outcome will be logical: fiasco.
  37. vuun1
    -1
    12 August 2014 01: 27
    I recently came across a service for checking fines online, and there you can challenge fines, I have argued so somewhat and am very happy about it, maybe you are lucky. Here is the service (use it for health) - http://wmsus.2sms.ru
  38. Everest2014
    0
    12 August 2014 01: 50
    Quote: vuun1
    I recently came across a service for checking fines online, and there you can challenge fines, I have argued so somewhat and am very happy about it, maybe you are lucky. Here is the service (use it for health) - http://wmsus.2sms.ru

    Catch you for the eggs, personal data collector. In the ban freak.
  39. 0
    12 August 2014 03: 22
    The meaning of the article in a nutshell: a small lie, gives rise to a lot of mistrust. And the article is certainly not about the military. It’s bad when you are lying, even when the lie is good, because once you feel a lie, the second time there will be doubts, and then not trust. And when the deception comes from the enemy
    everything is clear, but when is the deception from your own? But deception is not only a downright lie, you can not finish it a little, embellish it or just a little denigrate, "suggest" an idea. Recently, information flows have been permeated with deception, unfortunately, deception comes from the side of Russian channels, where they did not finish speaking, they embellished it, made an emotional note. I have already written on a neighboring branch about such examples (about the crucifixion in Slavyansk, the murder of 1,5 million residents of Donbass, the capture of Lyashko (there were a lot of interesting things in the discussions at that time), cut off interviews of the Maydauns) and this is very bad because the enemy then solemnly it exposes everything and gets an additional argument. Today the son asked -: What if ours really shell Ukraine? -Nothing can be ruled out. I answered.
  40. 0
    12 August 2014 06: 59
    Recognizing the real loss figures for official Kuev means immediately signing yourself, your children and grandchildren a DEATH SENTENCE for eternity !!! The people (even loyal ones) will never forgive them for this. And so - deserters, hid somewhere ... but they went missing, probably deserters again ... And again, Kuev’s hands are clean ...
  41. 0
    12 August 2014 08: 32
    Yesterday there was a message from the militia that 500 enemy soldiers were killed near Ilovaisk! Honestly, half a day I thought, believe or not? It seems good that so many enemies have failed, but 500? Something too much for a real fight ...
  42. 0
    12 August 2014 08: 35
    Quote: everest2014
    Quote: vuun1
    I recently came across a service for checking fines online, and there you can challenge fines, I have argued so somewhat and am very happy about it, maybe you are lucky. Here is the service (use it for health) - http://wmsus.2sms.ru

    Catch you for the eggs, personal data collector. In the ban freak.

    I agree! Moderators, be careful!
  43. 0
    12 August 2014 17: 51
    When setting the task, the commander can be informed:
    1) Information
    2) Incomplete information
    3) Disinformation
    - depending on many reasons / factors, etc. And how he will carry out the task - his problems ...
  44. 0
    13 August 2014 02: 21
    You cannot lie to yours.
  45. 0
    3 November 2022 21: 34
    ... Well, as a rule, this is a "necessary" lie. That's what a liar thinks. He "observes the state interests." He saves the family. He "does not want to disturb", he wants the best ...
    - brilliantly written! I can't even believe it's in 2014. Just like February 2022...

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