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Ukrainian distemper and Japanese claims

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First of all, I ask dear readers not to take what is written below as suggestions and, moreover, the beliefs of the author of this material. The reason for my reasoning was the conclusion of a gas agreement with China, which was accelerated and pushed events in Ukraine, and they, in turn, provoked our current confrontation with Western countries, especially with the United States.

Alas, the world is arranged in such a way that geopolitical competition between countries and nations is eternal, their interests will sometimes collide, sometimes coincide, causing either tension and various clashes between them, or mutual aggression. No one has eternal friends or eternal enemies, there are only eternal interests.

Whatever it was, but today the relations of Russia and China in all areas are dramatically improving and getting stronger, because our interests coincided in confrontation and competition with America. But for how long? Once it will somehow resolve with Ukraine, and we will already be tied to China with many obligations, which will certainly push many countries that have problems with it closer to America, that is, farther from us ... And the rivalry with the United States in the long-term world the game for us, too, will not disappear anywhere. Here you will think ...

China has always been a problem for Russia, both as a neighbor and as a partner. But not only for Russia. Almost along the entire perimeter of its borders, China has territorial disputes with its neighbors: Japan, India, Burma, Vietnam, Mongolia. And since the days of servicemen of the boyars of the ambassadorial order in the Moscow kingdom, the principle of Russian foreign policy has been formed, which has been working flawlessly for centuries: "Make friends not with your neighbor, but through your neighbor." When they were neighbors and faced with great Poland, they were friends with Prussia against her (not yet shared). Became neighbors and enemies with Napoleonic France, they began to work with England. Then they collided with England in Asia and the Caucasus, became friends with America, they sold Alaska to her. Then again with England and France against Germany and Austria-Hungary. Before World War II, Poland was again divided with Germany. Germany has become our neighbor and enemy, defeated it, along with England and America. Then they made an alliance with Red China, but they quarreled and rallied against it with India and Vietnam, which, having fought off America, immediately broke up the anti-American alliance with China, recalling its eternal enmity with it.

This rotation has reached our times, when rivalry between countries from the desire to control territories objectively transformed into a desire to control and use resources. The old territorial disputes concern relatively small areas and are preserved more as the desire of countries not to undermine their state-national prestige by concessions to their neighbors.

And here comes to mind the long dispute between Russia and Japan over the southern part of the Kuril Islands, thanks to which there is still no full-fledged peace treaty with Japan that sums up our results in the Second World War. In short story The question looks like this. After the capitulation of Japan, the Soviet Union demanded and received from it the southern half of Sakhalin Island and all the Kuril Islands adjacent to it, which made the Sea of ​​Okhotsk the inner sea of ​​Russia. But in the 1951 year at a conference in San Francisco, where a comprehensive peace agreement of the victor countries with defeated Japan was to be signed, the Soviet Union, in solidarity with red China, which was replaced by Taiwan at this conference by America’s decision, did not participate in it either . At that time, Japan was already the rear and ally of the United States in the Korean War, where China openly fought against America and, secretly, the Soviet Union. Therefore, the Japanese ventured to put forward demands on the return of the Kuril Islands to the Soviet Union, having received support from the Americans. After pacification in Korea, Stalin's death and Khrushchev came to power, negotiations on peace treaty with Japan resumed (in 1956 year).

Khrushchev really wanted to reduce the burden of military spending for the country in order to improve the situation in the economy. In addition, Japan by this time has become a very attractive trading partner. Therefore, when Japan raised the territorial issue, they did not refuse to discuss it with it. The Japanese began to bargain in a typical oriental manner, they first offered to return everything to the southern part of Sakhalin. But gradually, during the negotiations, they lowered their demands. The "illegal" channels managed to find out that Japan was ready to be satisfied if it were possible to agree on the transfer of the island of Shikotan and the ridges of the uninhabited islands of Habomai to her. And here there was a gross mistake from the Soviet side! Negotiations from Japan were then conducted by the Prime Minister himself, and even directly in Moscow. If the Japanese got Shikotan and Habomai as a result of a long, hard and hidden trade, the prime minister would return home as a winner to the applause of the whole country. But the Soviet government decided not to pull the case and immediately, openly (!) Offered to return Shikotan and Habomai in exchange for signing a ready-made peace treaty. For the Japanese, this was a shock, because, based on their ideas, if you are quickly inferior in negotiations, and even this concession is not ashamed of communicating it to everyone, then this is a weakness, and there is an opportunity to get much more. And if you don’t reach the inferior, you will “lose face” in your eyes! Therefore, the Japanese delegation literally had no choice but to rest on its demand to return all the southern Kurils: Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai. Yes, and read this requirement publicly. As a result, it was possible to sign only a declaration on the termination of the war and some economic agreements. And the territorial issue poisoned and poisoned all relations between us until now, it binds the Japanese firmly to the United States, does not allow us to extract all the benefits from full-scale economic cooperation, although our economies complement each other almost perfectly. Meanwhile, even in the conditions of the Ukrainian crisis, when America and Japan extort tough sanctions against Russia, the Japanese, in their own way, sabotage these sanctions gracefully, making them purely formal, and they themselves try to show, again, very gracefully, their disposition to us .

So I dream! And what if you could somehow solve the problem of the islands with Japan and finally conclude a peace treaty? There is no reason to keep the huge American bases in Japan, our economic cooperation would grow so that it could be (what the hell is not joking ?!) the engine of the world economy - and so on and so on and so forth ... The whole question is how to do it , so that neither side loses face, so that the agreement can be sincerely respected by both peoples, and not only bring them benefits.

Now, I again remind you that the current rivalry between countries is primarily a desire to control and use resources, but it is not necessary to control territory if the main goal is achieved.

What are the resources of the southern Kuril Islands? First of all, these are marine bioresources, there are also some hopes for the development of their shelf in oil and gas. We also need these islands because we give free passage to our ships and warships from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, blocking free access to this sea for all the others. More from the Japanese on the islands are the graves of their ancestors, which even now they are not forbidden to visit everywhere, even on Sakhalin. But in the desire of today's pampered modern comforts of the Japanese to settle down and once again live on these small and very uncomfortable for living islands, I strongly doubt. Therefore, the following idea occurred to me later.

In politics of international relations there is such a forgotten concept as a condominium. This is when one or several states agree and jointly, on an equal basis, manage some territory, of course, equally exploiting its resources equally. So I think, and if this solution is not suitable for removing the Japanese claims against Russia? Of course, in no case should not just take and offer this option to the Japanese. Again we get the embarrassment of the sample 1956 of the year. But if we discuss this option in our press and at the public level? Then arrange a joint conference with the Japanese public on this issue ... But when the proposal to talk about this is followed by cautious official proposals from Japan, then the time will come for the diplomats.

Now back to China. If it were possible to reach an honorary condominium with Japan, this would be an indirect example for him in disputes with his neighbors. After all, the Chinese are now in conflict with the Japanese over the Senkaku Islands just because there are probably large reserves of oil and gas there. The same is due to the Paracel Islands and the Spratly Islands with Vietnam. And if China in these disputes, too, went and made condominiums, it would dramatically reduce the need for a US military presence in the Pacific region. And it already comes to the point of absurdity: Vietnam, in a dispute with China, is trying to rely on America, with which it has not fought harshly in alliance with China and Russia for a long time.

So I conclude that the "condominium" arrangement with Japan in the long term will allow us to lift our wariness and maintain the friendly disposition of all our neighbors in China, despite all our rapprochement with it.

Finally, I repeat what I said at the beginning. Everything stated above should not be considered my convictions and suggestions. So, the flight of thought ...
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  1. Giant thought
    Giant thought 11 August 2014 09: 09
    +8
    It is best to live with all the neighbors in the world, and those who are neighbors.
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 11 August 2014 09: 15
      +40
      I don’t know how everyone does, but I got the impression that the author suggests:
      "Gentlemen, this is politics, do you want to plunge into it?" And let's leave the talk about sharing the islands in favor of the poor. You might think that the Americans will agree to withdraw their bases from Japan, just because she will sign a peace treaty with Russia.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 11 August 2014 09: 41
        +37
        Putin said to the Japs: Take away all four islands!
        Japs: When can this be done, Mr. Putin?
        Putin: As soon as the US base is removed!
        .......
        Conclusion: Never!
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 11 August 2014 10: 08
          +28
          In vain I.V. Stalin did not allow the landing on Hokkaido, now the Japanese would have asked him to return ... (If this had not been given Khrushchev and the hunchback hadn’t returned and the Yelkin hadn’t drunk!)
        2. Goga101
          Goga101 11 August 2014 19: 22
          +8
          Igor39 - The author of this article is a Gorbachev fosterling, and the hunchbacked one, in turn, is Khrushchev's viper, Khrushchev's enemy, if only because he completely broke Stalin's policy of rapprochement with China - this is a nightmare for Atlantists! And in the article - a quote - "Khrushchev really wanted to reduce the burden of military spending for the country in order to improve the situation in the economy" - I translate into normal language - Khrushchev really wanted to ditch our army, but did not have time - they removed ...
          And now these Khrushchev-Gorbachev lasts climb out of their skin - they scare us with the Chinese threat fool Is China holding bases around us, China is deploying a missile defense system at our borders, is China organizing color revolutions and introducing sanctions against us? What are we talking about? The one who is now against our rapprochement with China is not even a fool, but a real enemy! angry
        3. gfnhbjnrf
          gfnhbjnrf 11 August 2014 19: 25
          +5
          the article is terrible. sits, such as ours, and carries such nonsense. sadly ... that plus
      2. Stanislas
        Stanislas 11 August 2014 13: 27
        +3
        Quote: ele1285
        You might think that the Americans would agree to withdraw their bases from Japan
        They will try to relocate to Shikotan within the framework of "joint use".
        1. Cadet787
          Cadet787 11 August 2014 16: 54
          +6
          11.08.2014 - 15: 49
          Margarita Seidler: The ultimate goal of the Nazis is not Donetsk, but Russia


          Margarita Seidler: The ultimate goal of the Nazis is not Donetsk, but Russia | Russian spring
          Having once appeared in Slavyansk, German citizen Margarita Seidler did not leave the front line anymore. She told the truth about the besieged city. And she constantly emphasized that this war was not a stranger to her.
          What is happening in Donetsk now?
          - There every day is becoming more complicated. Militias fight heroically. I want to fully believe that they will win. Understand that the West that launched this war will not stop. If the Donbass does not resist, the Nazis will move on. Their ultimate goal is Russia, and the militias are now, by and large, dying for Moscow ...
      3. nfoma80
        nfoma80 11 August 2014 14: 35
        +10
        America will never leave Japan, and according to the article, the Japanese regard our desire to give as weakness, that is, we will give up the Kuril people asking for Sakhalin. And why bother to give pieces of their territory? All these pieces are covered with Russian blood.
        1. kyznets
          kyznets 11 August 2014 16: 07
          +13
          Here the key word is: "The Sea of ​​Okhotsk is the internal sea of ​​Russia!" Read Gumilev - the history of the Huns. There the first ruler of the Huns gave everything, the most precious, and for a piece of desolate, dead land he began a war and tore all the stronger neighbors. The Japanese will never settle for condo ... concessions. And an example cannot be set that we are ready to share OUR land and resources. The times of the Gorbachevs (Shevardnadze) and Yeltsynov are over. Let the samurai bite off their hand, and even a piece of wet rock is not something to give away, to share with anyone. America will return to us the Beringomorian Triangle, which Shevardnadze gave them, but our parliament has not ratified it. Huge wealth of biological resources.
          I didn’t put a minus to the article, but let the Japanese and Shevardnad put the pluses.
        2. Antor
          Antor 11 August 2014 16: 09
          +6
          When I read such "suggestions", I involuntarily think that
          constantly throwing up some ideas, obviously not in favor of Russia !?
          It is thoughtlessness or outright betrayal, it is up to everyone to decide for themselves, but the author is probably "holier than dad" when under the guise of a beautiful candy he offers this minimum!
          The Japanese want everything and still ask, right here they say, those who know them well! ??
          Something the Japanese do not offer it to us, but scurry about as always
          "very Russian surnames" not familiar with the philosophy of Asia and its rulers!
          They understand only strength, everything else is weakness, and you don’t have to go far for an example! The United States dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan, which killed and maimed hundreds of thousands of Japanese
          paradoxically, in the eyes of the Japanese, is the force with which they reckon and will reckon !?
          An example of the Falkland Islands, for which England fought with Argentina, where is England and where is Argentina, but nevertheless, who they have now! ????
          Japan adopted a law on the use of its armed forces outside the country, continued and continues to arm itself, let's simplify her life, let us put a samurai in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, closer to our shores, so that we would be better .... ????
          One thing should be clear to everyone - we need to be strong, and for this in fact, and not according to Serdyukovsky (perdyukovsky) to increase the power of our Armed Forces, so that no one even had the thought to go to us with territorial claims, various sanctions, etc. .
          We need to be Russian-Russians, patriots of Russia and not the howls and slimes of our enemies and outright enemies.!
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 11 August 2014 17: 23
            +3
            No one should give our lands away. Even more - no one should be allowed to even talk about the distribution of our lands. As it was said in the film: "That way you won't be enough for any volosts!"
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 11 August 2014 19: 05
            -9
            Quote: Antor
            When I read such "suggestions", I involuntarily think that
            constantly throwing up some ideas, obviously not in favor of Russia !?

            Joint development of resources is not in Russia's favor, but poor settlements in favor? Here take for example Svalbard. According to the Svalbard treatise (signed on February 9, 1920 in Paris), Norway’s sovereignty was established over Svalbard, which was previously considered free territory, and the treaty states were given equal rights to exploit the natural resources of Svalbard and its territorial waters. Norway pledged in article 9 of the treaty not to build and prevent the creation of naval bases or fortifications on the territory of the archipelago and not to use it for military purposes. In 1925, Norway officially declared Svalbard a part of the Norwegian kingdom. The USSR joined the Spitsbergen treatise in 1935.
            The Norwegian Storting, in a resolution of February 15, 1947, recognized that the USSR is a state that has, along with Norway, special economic interests in Svalbard. Since 1991, these rights have passed to Russia. Does Norway suffer from this? Why will it be bad for us if we work together with Japan in the Kuril Islands or for testing - on one of the islands ??
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 11 August 2014 19: 18
              0
              Iturup, the village of Gorny.
              1. Goga101
                Goga101 12 August 2014 08: 12
                0
                Bayonet - and such photographs throughout Siberia for several photo albums can be typed, so what? let's hand it out? If we are so stupid and prosir @ eat what we got from our fathers, by the way their blood was taken from them, then maybe our children will raise what we drop? Why complicate their lives - huh? Well, now we are not able to normally develop the richest lands of Siberia and the Far East, this does not mean that we need to distribute them to our neighbors - we won’t have time, our children will be fully deployed there! hi
            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 11 August 2014 19: 20
              0
              Also Iturup.
            3. Bayonet
              Bayonet 11 August 2014 19: 22
              0
              Iturup. Mountain Village.
            4. Bayonet
              Bayonet 11 August 2014 21: 03
              0
              So the man put a minus and went on. I like those - convinced and direct, like their only gyrus!
  2. saag
    saag 11 August 2014 09: 10
    +29
    "... There will be no reason to keep huge American bases in Japan."
    Illusion, the Americans will not leave Japan from anywhere, they themselves left for example with Phillipin, after their base was covered with volcanic ash
    1. mitya24
      mitya24 11 August 2014 09: 26
      +18
      I agree completely. Though you name it, at least give all the Purchasers and Sakhalin to the Japs in addition, nothing will change. Amer FIG will leave, and our concessions will be considered as weakness and will remember that once upon a time there was an earth on the continent, flown by the flag of Mikado.
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  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 August 2014 09: 11
    +16
    But what if we could somehow solve the island problem with Japan and finally conclude a peace treaty? The reason to keep huge American bases in Japan would disappear, our economic cooperation would grow so much that it could become (what the hell is not joking ?!) the locomotive of the world economy - and so on and so forth and so on ...

    The author really dreamed. Even assuming that Russia made some territorial concessions to Japan, even in this case A. Merov’s bases will not go anywhere and economic cooperation will not grow to enormous proportions. But new territorial claims will appear.
    1. a52333
      a52333 11 August 2014 09: 20
      +7
      Quote: rotmistr60
      economic cooperation will not grow to enormous proportions.

      I will subvert your thought.
      Economic cooperation is now at the level that is currently possible (i.e. mutually beneficial)
      And the thought of sharing bioresources. The Japanese are extremely limited in biological resources, and the issue of food security is an acute issue for them.
      Even now they are poaching in our territorial waters, and in joint ...
      1. Vladimir K.
        Vladimir K. 11 August 2014 10: 26
        +18
        The Japanese are now allowed to fish in the waters in our special economic zone - the answer to their, albeit formal (experts know better) participation in sanctions against Russia, it seems that this practice will be prohibited.
        Personally, I believe that it is not worth making any territorial concessions at all - the Japanese do not perceive us as equal partners - the imperial spirit did not disappear anywhere after their defeat in 1945. It's not even about the islands themselves, but about controlling access to the richest Sea of ​​Okhotsk to the waters - I never doubt that the Japanese, with their powerful fishing fleet, will upset the natural balance by barbaric attitude to marine bioresources, and Russia will also lose one more, very important for the Far East, the source of budget revenues.
      2. ibnvladimir
        ibnvladimir 11 August 2014 14: 31
        0
        That is, do you think that an agreement on the joint exploitation of biological resources is possible? And this will provide an opportunity to sign a peace treaty? And the islands here and the Japanese legally eat fish. If everything is properly inflated in the media, then their minister has every chance of returning from Moscow as a hero :-)
    2. spech
      spech 11 August 2014 09: 30
      +4
      But what if we could somehow solve the island problem with Japan and finally conclude a peace treaty?

      DOES IT NEED US?
      to whom did the emperor of Japan bow?
      I can recall the year and title.
  4. Igor39
    Igor39 11 August 2014 09: 15
    +2
    I read somewhere that in the Kuril Islands there are rare-earth metals, and not a few.
  5. kuz363
    kuz363 11 August 2014 09: 15
    +6
    Naive! So you and the Americans will leave Japan! Dreaming! On the contrary, they are getting closer to Russia every year, and Ukraine is coming. So, no concessions or initials are necessary. And considering what diplomats we have with lawyers, we’ll make an agreement so that we’ll lose these islands and there will be US bases there.
  6. KUOLEMA
    KUOLEMA 11 August 2014 09: 17
    +5
    China's bullshit after the concession to Japan, China wants joint rule to the Urals
  7. Grenz
    Grenz 11 August 2014 09: 18
    +9
    At the expense of the condo ...
    Any agreement can then be challenged.
    Here are just one thing to consider.
    In Japan, there has always been strong intelligence.
    And the passages between the islands are the only deepest ones (it is through them that our underwater nuclear-powered vessels go into the World Ocean). Otherwise, only through Tsushima !!!
    Will sit on the shore of the old ya.p.osh.k.a. with a modern appliance and read info about our nuclear powered ships. Where she will go is understandable.
    By the way. The ocean below our islands is empty. Scraped everything on land.
    And our biological resources around the islands are full. What will happen after sharing. Correctly. Nothing.
    So the condo ... let it be for those who live far from these places. There, people themselves will figure out who they are friends with and who to watch out for.
    1. mitya24
      mitya24 11 August 2014 09: 29
      0
      And do you think now this oldest ya.p.osh.k.a does not sit ........?
      1. Mama_Cholli
        Mama_Cholli 11 August 2014 12: 16
        +2
        It’s sitting, but if, for example, the political situation with Russia worsens (for example today), this Japs will have effective methods to prevent our military from going to the open ocean (read how Turkey controls the grouping of ships in the Black Sea), or even physical destruction at the time of passage off the islands, along with its ally usa.
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  8. snn
    snn 11 August 2014 09: 23
    +7
    Once you are merciful, you will be a slave all your life!
    1. Vladimir K.
      Vladimir K. 11 August 2014 10: 38
      +4
      Not necessarily "all life", but later it will be much more difficult to regain your dignity, because the aggressor will perceive what has been squeezed out as originally his own, and he will also be more impudent, remembering your cowardice in the past.
  9. NUR
    NUR 11 August 2014 09: 24
    +4
    The author is a hollow bream. Wait until no one is friends with you.
    1. PPL
      PPL 11 August 2014 11: 13
      +2
      Quote: NUR
      The author is a hollow bream. Wait until no one is friends with you.

      Most likely not a hollow breach, but a provocateur. negative
      This is not the first time that liberal heads have the topic of returning the islands under one pretext or another. It seems to me that once again there is a stuffing of information on the subject of probing public opinion.
      1. vlad52-t
        vlad52-t 11 August 2014 14: 16
        +1
        I agree, lousy little article. The author is clearly a provocateur. There is nothing to squander Russian lands, not for this they were collected.
      2. Varyag_1973
        Varyag_1973 11 August 2014 14: 50
        0
        For PPZ. Absolutely agree! The article is designed for sounding the soil! Here, not so long ago, a school friend of mine (Ukrainian by passport) stated to me that it would be nice to give the Kuril Islands!
        I told him: on what basis ?!
        He: Stalin in 1956 promised to return them to the Japanese ...
        Me: Serge, but nothing that Stalin died in 1953 ...?!
        He: well, not Stalin, but Khrushchov ...!
        Further talk on this subject, my desire has disappeared!

        P.S. And yet, yes, even those Ukrainians who live in Russia have no ice with their brains, they really consider themselves exceptional and are very offended by Russia because of the Crimea!
  10. I am
    I am 11 August 2014 09: 25
    +10
    Our grandfathers got this land for us and kicked out Yap from there, and not so that their grandchildren would offer all kinds of crap right now. AUTHOR - LIBERAL BED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  11. spech
    spech 11 August 2014 09: 27
    +2
    Finally, I repeat what I said at the beginning. Everything stated above should not be considered my convictions and suggestions. So, the flight of thought ...


    would you have wings would fly kui!
  12. nimboris
    nimboris 11 August 2014 09: 27
    +5
    These are our unsinkable aircraft carriers. Let them break off. What are you "king's face" squandering state land?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 11 August 2014 19: 33
      -1
      Quote: nimboris
      These are our unsinkable aircraft carriers.

      Here is a photo of one of the "unsinkable aircraft carriers" - the airfield on Iturup - Burevestnik.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 12 August 2014 15: 54
        +1
        Are these minuses to me or to those who have blown this airdrome?
  13. parusnik
    parusnik 11 August 2014 09: 28
    +2
    So, a flight of thought ...
    ... Yeah .. and if, through this pond, yes put up a bridge .. and on the bridge shops with goods .. And the emperor finds out about our friendship with Chichikov ...
  14. sever.56
    sever.56 11 August 2014 09: 28
    +1
    The author cunningly leads to the thought of the actual surrender of the islands. This is not in our interests. As we say: - Once a wolf puts a finger in its mouth - it will bite off at the very elbow. Claims will increase. As for the withdrawal of US Army forces from the region, this is complete nonsense. They have long considered the whole world a zone of their national interests. If they leave somewhere, it’s only destroying everything there. An example is Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq.
  15. mackonya
    mackonya 11 August 2014 09: 34
    +2
    All this is of course interesting, but the inium does not put Japan further to remain an ally of the United States, it is strategically important for the United States.
  16. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 11 August 2014 09: 34
    -4
    and if so?
    first drive the amers and then we will give you Shikotan ... and maybe even Habomai ... maybe ...
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 11 August 2014 12: 11
      0
      Quote: Russian Uzbek
      and if so?
      first drive the amers and then we will give you Shikotan ... and maybe even Habomai ... maybe ...

      Do not repeat stupidity after the author of the article ..
    2. K-50
      K-50 11 August 2014 19: 05
      +2
      As the emperor Alexander (some) seemed to say:
      "... Where the foot of the Russian soldier stepped - the Russian land ..."
      No concessions, the appetite comes with food, then such a crowd of hungry people will come running crowbar am
  17. tol100v
    tol100v 11 August 2014 09: 34
    0
    Quote: rotmistr60
    then in this case the A. merov bases will not go anywhere

    American bases are spreading around the world like cockroaches, and no concessions can influence this! They understand only military or economic power, an example is the "Caribbean crisis" - you are removing missiles from Turkey, we are removing them from Cuba! So the Merikos (Japos) understand only this style of international communication! And the UN, OSCE and others are for the weak and poor!
  18. Archikah
    Archikah 11 August 2014 09: 35
    +2
    Two conclusions that completely cross out the author’s pacifist mood. The first correctly voiced the respected grenz, the passage of submarines only there. The second is Japan, the de facto territory occupied by the Americans. There is a third that put the author’s article in a completely unsightly position. According to the laws of Japan, the government of this country has a very limited resource to ban trade and economic activities with other countries. More echoes of Dutch law. so the article is just liberalistic nonsense and complete nonsense. fool
  19. Igarr
    Igarr 11 August 2014 09: 36
    +5
    I read it.
    two minutes - the flight is normal. Thoughts
    I would just add. Handminimum, so a minimum.
    We are the Japanese - Shikotan and Habomai. They are for us - Hokkaido and Okinawa.
    Well, lan, we can do without Okinawa. But Hokkaid - give, do not sin. Or vice versa.
    ...
    Sweet Hokkaido
    I'm you Honshu.
    For your Shikoku
    I bite you.
    ...
    Like that.
  20. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 11 August 2014 09: 38
    +3
    Give up your finger, grab your hand, give up your hand, cut off your head. Although everything is possible with our boy with an iPhone, he gave something to the Norwegians, lost something to the south. Kemsku parish, Kemsku parish, x ... them with a goose neck, not Kemsku parish.
    1. 23 region
      23 region 11 August 2014 11: 53
      +3
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      Give up your finger, grab your hand, give up your hand, cut off your head. Although everything is possible with our boy with an iPhone, he gave something to the Norwegians, lost something to the south. Kemsku parish, Kemsku parish, x ... them with a goose neck, not Kemsku parish.

      Yeah, for our Dimon we need an eye and an eye. (I won’t be surprised if his birthmark stings on his head)
  21. siberalt
    siberalt 11 August 2014 09: 43
    +2
    No, no, no! After the UN recognized the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as external Russian, the question of transferring the islands generally disappears. Now, rather, make Hokkaido our Far Eastern Crimea.
  22. Dzhanych
    Dzhanych 11 August 2014 09: 50
    +2
    conclusion of a gas agreement with China, which accelerated and pushed events in Ukraine

    I wonder how? After all, the agreement with China was signed on May 21, 2014, and the "events" in Ukraine began already in November 2013 !!!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 August 2014 10: 04
      +9
      On the contrary: the events in Ukraine pushed for a gas agreement with China! wink
  23. Victor-M
    Victor-M 11 August 2014 10: 02
    +1
    US military bases will disappear from Japan when the United States collapses, but if it collapses, then Japan will not dare to make territorial claims against Russia. So the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin were, are and will be ours. laughing
  24. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 11 August 2014 10: 02
    +3
    The reason for my reasoning was the conclusion of a gas agreement with China

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/908/gcry769.jpg
  25. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 11 August 2014 10: 10
    +3
    Finally, I repeat what I said at the beginning. Everything stated above should not be considered my convictions and suggestions. So, the flight of thought ...

    Judging by the estimates of the article, the flight passes at a very low altitude.
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 11 August 2014 10: 28
      0
      Quote: Veteran of the Red Army
      Finally, I repeat what I said at the beginning. Everything stated above should not be considered my convictions and suggestions. So, the flight of thought ...

      Judging by the estimates of the article, the flight passes at a very low altitude.

      Brad! It would be better to read at your leisure "Cupid Father" by Nikolai Zadornov. fool
  26. Vend
    Vend 11 August 2014 10: 34
    0
    All of the above should not be considered my beliefs and suggestions. So, a flight of thought ...

    Dear author, you are not adequate to yourself. If these are not your beliefs and suggestions, then why write an article and post it?
  27. argon
    argon 11 August 2014 10: 39
    +2
    The author idealizes possible political relations between countries. The Japanese are of course "forced" to love the staff because of neighboring China. And we still have to and even need to drive a wedge between Japan and the mattress toppers.
  28. goose
    goose 11 August 2014 10: 45
    +2
    Quote: a52333
    I will tear your thought. Economic cooperation is now at the level that is currently possible (i.e. mutually beneficial) And the thought of sharing bioresources. The Japanese are extremely limited in biological resources, and the issue of food security is acute for them. They are still poaching in our territorial waters, and in joint ...

    As Vladimir further said correctly, no one interfered with the Japanese catching in all the Kuril Islands, but the return of the islands would deprive ships of the free exit from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, for this all the fuss is on. Pacific Fleet will cease to be an ocean fleet.
    From the point of view of history, the affiliation of the Kuril Islands of Japan is more than controversial, because these islands were not discovered by the Japanese. Here, most likely, Russia has stronger positions in terms of discoverers, http://nbenegroup.com/territory/excursus.html. At that time, the Japanese did not even inhabit Hokkaido.
  29. Kosta153
    Kosta153 11 August 2014 11: 00
    +1
    Something did not understand, the author is leading to something muddy.
  30. maxes
    maxes 11 August 2014 11: 00
    +6
    The author has very "interesting" suggestions: Give a couple of islands ...
    Pros: - Good neighborly relations with Japan (well, well);
    - A possible increase in economic cooperation (with a low probability);

    Cons: - Loss of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as the inland sea of ​​Russia, loss with all its fish and mineral resources;
    - Admission to the waters of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, anyone, and the Amer fleet will register there (with all missile defense systems);
    - Competitors to our fisheries - economic losses;
    - Loss of safe (!) Access to the open sea to Russian warships.
    - And the loss of reputation - to distribute their own territory in bad taste (and here it is distribution for "just like that").

    And surely a lot more ...
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    Regarding the 1956 negotiations "And here a gross mistake was made on the Soviet side!" This "mistake" allowed the Japanese to be fooled and sent back empty-handed. And the version that the USSR wanted to give the islands to Japan is absurd, to block its exit to the ocean. They just made them themselves (the Japanese!) Set unacceptable conditions - so the USSR in chocolate and their opponents did not achieve their goals.
  31. Hawk2014
    Hawk2014 11 August 2014 11: 37
    +1
    Quote: Michael Goldreer
    So I started to dream! ... If only Japan had managed to achieve an honorary inium ...

    The author really dreamed! Only a dreamer can ignore the fact that Japan is too dependent both militarily, politically, and economically on the United States. Japan is perhaps the most dependent country in the world.
  32. IAlex
    IAlex 11 August 2014 11: 42
    +1
    It's good that Putin is not as naive as the author of this article ...
  33. korablik
    korablik 11 August 2014 11: 43
    0
    Now, to cave in before any country yapping at Russia from under the floors of the American master means to lose face in front of the whole world! Japan can be easily put into a corner as a ridiculous teenager, banning them from catching fish in the Russian economic zone. From conversations with the children of the border guards of the Far East of Japan, the robbery of our crafts continues. Or at the suggestion of the Kremlin, or border control in Vladik. This topic is tough to solve and the samurai will not go anywhere. Their US will not feed.
  34. Constanta
    Constanta 11 August 2014 11: 46
    +1
    Yeah - yeah, - the author got such a big apartment from his parents. And then the neighbor asks
    to give a room with an adjacent wall (supposedly, it is still empty) ... I would have watched how he would "sing".
    I even think in such a way as a crime against my country.
  35. reg_edit
    reg_edit 11 August 2014 11: 47
    +2
    The funny thing is that the option proposed by the author has been on the table for a long time. Both the USSR and the Russian Federation, non-publicly and even publicly, constantly made it clear that they were ready to consider options for "joint use", but were waiting for proposals - in exchange for what? And here is the plug. On a formal peace treaty - why is it badly needed? For economic cooperation? so it is and so it is, when the benefits are mutual. And then it turns out that Japan (by the way, like Germany) is a country with limited sovereignty and they cannot offer anything on their own.
    And until Japan becomes independent, and most Japanese do not stop thinking that the USSR dropped atomic bombs on them (today it is) nothing needs to be changed.
  36. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 11 August 2014 12: 08
    +4
    Already given to the Chinese about. Damansky and demarcating the border so that the state border runs along the main fairway of the Amur River. Why, in order to live in peace with others, Russia must give up its lands? What is the d_u_ratsky approach?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 August 2014 14: 23
      0
      we have something else to demand back to back, the Japanese will surely crush
  37. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 11 August 2014 12: 51
    +1
    Goldreer-generally Russian right fellow whether a German, or a Jew, hi here it is scattered with lands !!! I agree, many have already signed and handed out, but RUSSIA is already good at tearing it to pieces! am Zadolbali wise men, I like the Japs on the Far East tries are not needed! IMHO !! soldier
  38. Panzerjager
    Panzerjager 11 August 2014 13: 07
    +2
    The history of some individuals of the human race teaches nothing.
    China is free and independent. You can negotiate with him, you can deal with him.
    Europe, Canada, Japan, Australia - satellites, vassals of Washington. Their political will is insignificant, they act on the orders of the United States. To deal with them, to negotiate is pointless.
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 11 August 2014 13: 42
      0
      With regard to freedom, it is possible, but independence also presupposes the independence of domestic production from outside owners.
      As soon as China sends the United States its dollar for a long marathon and nationalizes foreign enterprises, then it will be possible to talk about "independent" China. And since this, due to various objective reasons, will not happen, then I would not rush to apply the definition independent to it. smile
  39. Konstantm
    Konstantm 11 August 2014 13: 13
    +2
    Comrade Goldreer, and you would not have gone with your thoughts to the Farm to catch butterflies.
    You see, the graves are Japanese, the mother was lambing, they are not allowed to sleep ...
  40. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 11 August 2014 13: 33
    +1
    If Japan could achieve an honorary inium, this would be an indirect example for him in disputes with neighbors

    What is it like?!
    Give the Kuril Islands, or not trifling all of Sakhalin ?!
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 11 August 2014 13: 47
      0
      It’s suggested that ... And at the same time fuck Japan’s best friend ... With whom Russia has never had not only friendship, but also any normal relations.

      Pisi: By the way, with the Japanese, nobody actually had them, since these people are cunning and treacherous even for Asians. In addition, there are also no related languages ​​to Japanese, and most likely this is no accident, since they have always been closed to others. (not only geographically)
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 11 August 2014 14: 13
        0
        or maybe it's better apto what thread to the Japanese family will give their apartment
  41. Wolka
    Wolka 11 August 2014 13: 35
    0
    complete absurdity, the engine of the development of human society was originally and is by definition private ownership of something, something (tangible and intangible benefits), abolish it, and there is no incentive for which to do anything and achieve something, and when it something in common, which means no one’s, everyone wants this something to become his private property, this is the utopianism of communism as such, and I consider the use of the term condominium generally inappropriate ... hi
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 11 August 2014 13: 49
      0
      Only the engine junk ... Is not it? winked
      But really, a person has a desire to stand out / stand out in front of the others.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 August 2014 14: 21
      0
      Quote: Volka
      by definition private ownership of something, something was and was the engine of the development of human society

      rare stupidity, unfortunately the main engine of progress was and is war, all the main inventions were originally means of killing or simplifying this very murder, and after that they adapted if there was such an opportunity for a peaceful life

      in addition, you can give a lot of examples when there was progress, but there was no private property
  42. Stanislas
    Stanislas 11 August 2014 14: 05
    +1
    In general, it is not the most sensible idea in relation to today's China - "to be friends through a neighbor." This is not a "principle of Russian foreign policy" since "the days of the service boyars of the ambassadorial order in the Muscovite kingdom." The idea is Chinese (Lao She), which Napoleon and other famous personalities liked to repeat. In the 17th century. this idea was reproduced by the Russian diplomat A. Ordyn-Nashchokin. Its essence is to "be friends" with the enemy of your enemy. This is if insoluble conflicts have arisen with a neighbor, then "make friends through a neighbor" so that he is surrounded. Today we are not enemies with China, we are comrades, moreover, we are friends against a common enemy - the United States. In fact, it is proposed to treat China as an enemy (I repeat, this principle applies only to enemies, but not to friends and not even to comrades) in the hope that the American sixes will throw the Americans and become "friends" with us against the United States and China. Wait, at least, for some unfriendly steps from China, otherwise it could lead Russia to serious isolation in the world.
  43. Serg7281
    Serg7281 11 August 2014 14: 09
    +1
    Finally, I repeat what I said at the beginning. Everything stated above should not be considered my convictions and suggestions. So, the flight of thought ...

    Idiotic thoughts. Before you write something, you must at least know what you are writing about. These are not even the thoughts of an amateur, these are the thoughts of a very sick person. A little help. If Russia gives up any island from the Kuril ridge, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will cease to be an inland sea, why? it's long to explain. In short, then there will be a gap in the territorial waters of Russia between the mainland and the extreme island (tervodes are 12 nautical miles from any territory of the state). Now between the crane island and mainland Russia is about 22 miles, if you give the island, it will be more than 24 miles.
  44. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 11 August 2014 14: 34
    +2
    So I conclude that the "inium" agreement with Japan in the long term will allow us to relieve our suspicion and maintain the friendly disposition of all of China's neighbors, despite any rapprochements we have with it.

  45. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 11 August 2014 14: 41
    +1
    This island of independence is so proud and independent that it’s ready for the sake of Ukraine, ha ha, to dance under a country that has tried atomic bombs on them?
  46. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 11 August 2014 14: 43
    +2
    The article is somewhat not very clever and completely short-sighted: this is how our liberal traitors reasoned, if you think about some islands and what's the point of them, at such a pace and with such clever people we can return to the borders of the Moscow principality! That the respected dreamer forgot the Russian proverb: "Give the wolf a finger, chop off the whole hand!" And the results of the Second World War were determined at the Yalta, and then at the Potsdam conferences and any revision of them is an encouragement of aggressors and revenge-seekers of all levels! So we can reach the forgiveness of Hitler and all fascism (which is now happening in Ukraine), and 50 million. the ruined lives no longer count, there are no "good gentlemen" as Charles de Coster said: "The ashes of Claes knocks on my heart", so do not forget the millions of Claes tortured by the Nazis for the period from 39 to 41 years! forget that the Japanese military was Hitler's most active friend and a member of the Berlin-Rome-Tokyo axis! So all your fantasies are bullshit (if not outright betrayal)!
  47. ava09
    ava09 11 August 2014 14: 48
    +1
    Goldreyer is a provocateur. He didn’t acquire, nor did he dispose of. Even in his petty little soul. Japan’s claims to Russia over the South Kuril Islands are zilch generated by Khrushchev, as well as everything he did. I do not know a single act of this Trotskyist that has not turned into harm to the country.
  48. lex loci
    lex loci 11 August 2014 15: 20
    0
    Typical "Overton window" - discussing an impossible problem to blur and make it possible at least at the level of discussion ....
  49. Ursidae
    Ursidae 11 August 2014 15: 35
    +3
    Sorry I can not put 10 cons ...
    Before laying out for discussion the "clever thoughts" inspired by the "flight of thought", the author would not hurt to make efforts to increase the area of ​​the Russian Federation. Moreover, an area larger than the area of ​​the Kuril Islands. And only then give them over for "international management". As the saying goes: it is necessary to squander with profits, not with losses.
    And then divorced here, you know, the bidders ... To them Siberia for joint international development, then the Kuril Islands ...
    ... bald to you, not the Kuril Islands!
    am angry
  50. thinker
    thinker 11 August 2014 16: 13
    0
    The reason for my reasoning was the conclusion of a gas agreement with China, which accelerated and pushed events in Ukraine, but they, in turn, provoked our current confrontation with Western countries, especially with the United States.

    What a fucking! The agreement with China, pushed the events in Ukraine ??? BIG !!!