To fly like that ... Response "aviation" sanctions of Russia

At today's government meeting, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev announced that Russia is closing its airspace for the transit of aircraft of Ukrainian airlines. Now, Ukrainian air carriers will not be able to carry out transit flights to countries such as Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia and Turkey. Reports about it Interfax.

At the same time, Dmitry Medvedev said that the government is now considering even tougher measures in connection with the situation in Ukraine and in connection with the sanctions imposed against Russia. These measures consist in a possible ban on transit air transportation through the airspace of the Russian Federation of North American and European companies.

Medvedev:

Our country is ready to revise the rules for using the Trans-Siberian routes, that is, to denounce the agreed principles for the modernization of the existing system of using the Trans-Siberian routes. (...) The issue of changing the so-called entry and exit points into Russian airspace for regular and charter flights of European and American air carriers is being worked out. (...) As a result of the application of such measures, obviously, the costs of Western airlines will increase, and significantly.

The blue line is a direct route of the Ukrainian air carriers of the flight Kiev-Tbilisi, the red line is a possible route after the introduction of a transit ban from the Russian Federation

You do not need to be an outstanding mathematician and economist to understand what losses such a move Russia promises to Ukrainian air carriers.

The head of government emphasized that Russia is taking such measures after the West imposed sanctions on Dobrolet.

Comments

[volot-voin]

Now let them fly over Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. There is more than one Boeing will fall. This means weaving your nose into your own crochet. Where on ..li, on the outbreak of conflict, let them fly there.

[INVESTOR]

If only the words weren’t limited ..

[jaguar]

A possible ban on Lufthansa’s passage over the territory of our country is being discussed ..... this is serious !!!!

[Serrrrgo]

It will be serious if the maintenance of Boeing and Airbuses is stopped, as it was done with Dobrolet, but for all companies. Unfortunately, in the aviation industry we are now very vulnerable.

[kartalovkolya]

And how do you think Boeing will get out of the situation when Russia stops supplying components from titanium and composites? And what will replace our NASA's RD-180s and who will take them to the ISS, there is little hope for private companies. And the most important thing is to impose sanctions against the stupefied Barakovites precisely and in the most painful places, and there are plenty of them, and then we'll see where Obama and his lackeys are! Poland has already raked in full, now Germany and the USA themselves are in turn!

[jjj]

All preflight service, FAC and afterflight are performed in Russia by Russian specialists. Light forms on flying hours are also made with us. The question is in the forms of large plaque and repairs. But in the most extreme case, you can invite planes to fly from Asian companies: the sky is open, foreign pilots can already work in Russia. And the West’s refusal to service the sold equipment is reputational losses

[VAF]

Quote: jjj

All preflight service, FAC and afterflight are performed in Russia by Russian specialists. Light flying hours are also made with us. The question is in the forms of large plaque and repairs

In this part, practically, yes, +! Just keep quiet about the fact that the representative of the design bureau must be present on light forms (it's like with a car .. everything has a guarantee, etc., etc., but try to do something during the guarantee period somewhere in .. "lambourne")

Quote: jjj

But in the most extreme case, you can invite planes to fly from Asian companies: the sky is open, foreign pilots can already work in Russia. And the West’s refusal to service sold equipment is a reputational loss

Here completely ... not that. And where are you going to get the 5th amendment ???? Or will you take all the foreign vessels under your Flag and add the operator to your certificate ???
If it were possible to do so, all our "African", "Moldavian", "Georgian" and others (by the term OUR we really mean our companies, only those that are registered in these countries, because no .. "communication" with Neradka ) would have long been working on the territory of our country. and especially in the Far North and the Far East .. even at our prices.!

Quote: jjj

And the West’s refusal to service sold equipment is a reputational loss

Pure populist slogan .. not having anything to do with reality!

[VAF]

Quote: vaf

In this part, practically, yes, +!

Well and what .. MINUSATSKY .. threw a minus ???? climb into the light of day ..

[Bayonet]

Quote: vaf

Well and what .. MINUSATSKY .. threw a minus ????

Sergei ! Why be surprised? The usual wooden cheer is a patriot with fog in his head!

[VAF]

Quote: kartalovkolya

kartalovkolya (4) RU Today, 15:34 ↑

And how do you think Boeing will get out of the situation when Russia stops supplying components from titanium and composites?

And how did you "get out" before that? And it is we who fly on Bobiks, but not on them .. on Ilakh and Tu !!!
And these are our airlines, in turn, stand to them and to everyone else .. but they are not to us !!!

[Letun]

Quote: vaf

And how did you "get out" before that? And it is we who fly on Bobiks, but not on them .. on Ilakh and Tu !!!
And these are our airlines, in turn, stand to them and to everyone else .. but they are not to us !!!

Well said. I also always laughed when I read comments like: "Let's see how they will make their Boeings if we don't supply them with the 12th part of the 18th frame!"

[VAF]

Quote: Letun

I also always laughed when I read comments like: "Let's see how they will make their Boeings if we don't supply them with the 12th part of the 18th frame!"

It would be nice to laugh, +! and then already want to howl ... is that .. all the consequences of the EG or "nashistov" army; saves the reputation .... ???
so not in such a specific topic. And then we are titanium and composites. Yes, we are them .. a total of 147 people work in this "aviation titanium production" and after all, only we .. produce aircraft products from titanium .. because more than that .. no one

[Crazyzyear]

Quote: vaf

yeah 147 people in total work at this "aviation titanium production"

Well, yes, after your post I really want to laugh ... The VSMPO-Avisma corporation employs about 22 thousand people. The enterprise carries out a full cycle of production. In addition, raw materials are supplied to it by no less large mining companies. The main consumers are Airbus Gmbh, Airbus France, Boeing, UTAS, Messier-Bugatti-Dowty, Rolls Royce, Safran, Pratt & Whitney, Embraer, EADS. I myself am from the Perm Territory, I know not by hearsay. Yours faithfully...

[Bayonet]

Quote: kartalovkolya

And how do you think Boeing will get out of the situation when Russia stops supplying components from titanium and composites?

Do you know what we're flying on now? Well, Russia will stop supplying titanium parts for Boeing - we will close the provision for our ships - all our Boeing will be fun.
Who will do worse? We close our airspace - Europe will be closed to us too, and not only. Who will benefit from this?

[crbvbyjr]

WELL CLOSE AND WHAT. CAN BE LIVED AND WITHOUT EUROPE.

[AVV]

Quote: serrrrgo

It will be serious if the maintenance of Boeing and Airbuses is stopped, as it was done with Dobrolet, but for all companies. Unfortunately, in the aviation industry we are now very vulnerable.

Yes, Boeing is even more dependent on us, all calculations of new aircraft are done by our engineers, and all titanium parts for Boeings are made by us !!! So the damage will be mutual !!!

[huut]

Quote: AVV

Yes, Boeing depends on us even more.

The contract for the supply of 16 new aircraft was signed by Dobrolet Airlines with Boeing.

http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/264768

Who depends on whom?
16 aircraft can not figure out for their own budget company. That’s America’s benefit from sanctions - if not for them, then they would not have sold 16 aircraft. Moreover, the leasing Boeings were European, and we buy new ones from America.
The feeling that mutual sanctions is a smokescreen, just someone is welded to the noise.

[ssergn]

One of the engineering centers where is it located?

[Bayonet]

Quote: AVV

, all calculations of new aircraft are done by our engineers

Is that all? Our engineers work for Boeing and get a decent salary. Do you want to cover this office located with us? - Taki people will leave us, smart and talented people will leave again !!!!!!!

[prio124]

will leave anyway, like my friend is a programmer. In America, the goal is to attract brains. First, they’ll break it in at home, and then to their home. Until we start building our planes, we don’t earn our own design bureaus, so they will leave. Previously (in the USSR), a science friend on GB worked, I had enough money and I didn’t think to leave anywhere ... and so. And there are enough developments in the same design bureau TU, take the Tu-214 for example

[Alekseev]

Quote: serrrrgo

Seriously, if the maintenance of Boeing and Airbuses is stopped

Yes, it will not be good.
But we still throw a couple of vows. Do you look at the Boeing and Airbus leasing? Not only payments, but also planes will not see horseradish.
And those that are, exploit "under the Chinese flag", here's your MOT and repair.
Both material and image losses are huge for the West.
Well, ours to build a large series, for 2 years you can make fifty Tu-204 and even more Superjets and An-148, a large series is cheaper. Plus, to use those that are, less to listen to speculators from Aeroflot.

[Serrrrgo]

That's the whole thing, that in 2 years of only fifty Tu-204, Ilyushin has already completely collapsed.
And only in the fleet of one Aeroflot there are more than 150 aircraft.

[VAF]

Quote: Alekseev

. Do you look at the Boeing and Airbus leasing?

Boeings and Airbuses have long been buying for their own or "the sovereign's" money this time. And practically after the first payment, the lessor becomes the nominal owner (Bobik and the bus have already received their grannies).
And what will Ilyushin-Finance do with this pile of aircraft, with the possibility of using it only within the Russian Federation (under a black flag)?

[Simple]

Quote: vaf

Do you look at the Boeing and Airbus leasing?

Sergey (VAF) good day.

The pronunciation of the German word "Airbus" in Russia was always surprising.

Where did this Airbus come from, and not from the townsfolk?

[VAF]

Quote: Simple

Where did this Airbus come from, and not from the townsfolk?

Greetings! Everything is according to M. Zadornov .. remember Wow, reception, etc. etc. so where is Air Force, there is Airbus

[Simple]

He, well, of course I remember.

It turns out that Russian representatives also speak in conversations with Airbus representatives?

The phonetics of this word is presented here:

http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Airbus.

[Serrrrgo]

And why in German, if it is correct then in French, probably to pronounce the headquarters in Toulouse.
In general, English is increasingly becoming a universal language, we will soon speak bi-um-double-y)

[Bayonet]

Quote: Simple

Where did this Airbus come from, and not from the townsfolk?

Airbus SAS (pronounced in English Airbus, in French Airbus) is one of the largest aircraft manufacturers in the world, formed in the late 1960s by the merger of several European aircraft manufacturers.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Alekseev

But we still throw a couple of vows.

When you write this, try to include the brain. If not, try to buy from the Chinese! They laugh but sell.

[avia1991]

Quote: Alekseev

and even more Superjets

"Superjet", for the most part, is completed with imported parts and electronics. So, first you have to deal with import substitution ..

[jagdpanzer]

Quote: Alekseev

Well, ours to build a large series, in 2 years you can make fifty Tu-204 and even more Superjets and An-148, a large series is cheaper

What are the major series? Prosrali all polymers for a long time, Superjet so generally from imported components!

[Wheel]

Quote: serrrrgo

It will be serious if the maintenance of Boeing and Airbuses is stopped, as it was done with Dobrolet, but for all companies. Unfortunately, in the aviation industry we are now very vulnerable.

God forbid! Only in this case domestic civil aviation will be revived. We will fly again to Ilah and Tu.
This is how many jobs will appear!

[Serrrrgo]

Aviation had to be restored for a long time, and by no means in this way.
Now they have decided to make a Superjet, a small, seemingly not very complicated aircraft, and it is more than half made of imported components. And for some reason, Sukhoi Design Bureau does it, while Tupolev and Ilyushin vegetate. I would tell someone about 30 years ago, when aircraft produced in the USSR accounted for more than 20% of the global fleet, that we ourselves can’t build a small airplane, no one would have believed it ..
Moreover, despite all the PR and a lot of money invested, since 2010, about 40 Superjets have been delivered. So we can and will fly to Il and Tu, but not very soon ..

[vladimirZ]

Yes, that’s what the treacherous Yeltsin-Chubais privatization of the USSR Aeroflot affected hundreds of small enterprises, obviously designed for slow self-destruction, due to the lack of financial ability to purchase new aircraft, and then the whole of civil aviation aircraft construction.
On the instructions of the Americans, they "killed two birds with one stone", as the people say, the civil aircraft industry in Russia and the Soviet Aeroflot, the largest civil air carrier in the world.
Modern Russian Aeroflot is a miserable shadow of the past, like all others even smaller ones that are constantly on the verge of bankruptcy and closure.
The liberal leadership of Russia, which brought the state’s civil aviation to such a state, does not dare to restore its former power into a single whole, capable, like the Soviet Aeroflot, of not only performing air transportation, but also independently accumulate financial resources, load the aircraft industry with your orders, repair aircraft, build GDP and airports throughout the country, and prepare flight engineering personnel for yourself.
And not like now, even Russian own pilots are not enough, foreigners are invited.
Well, who will go to Russia as aircraft commanders, blacks from Africa, but unclaimed in the West because of their unsuitability? Shame, one word.

[VAF]

Quote: Wheel

Only in this case domestic civil aviation will be revived

Even a child and then .. is born after 9 months ... and you want to immediately like this and .. revive? to revive the fact that they have been "killed" for more than 20 years?
on which Ilah and Tu ???
Is such a concept as an International Certificate familiar?

[volot-voin]

Quote: serrrrgo

it will be if they stop the maintenance of the Boeing and Airbus, as they did with Dobrolet, but for all companies.

It is necessary to restore the production of good old TUs and stop buying Boeing and command the airlines.

[Bayonet]

Quote: volot-voin

It is necessary to restore the production of good old TU

And in the auto industry - the good old Victories! Or maybe eMok?

[jagdpanzer]

Quote: Bayonet

good old victories! Or maybe eMok?

let's get GAZ-AA right away! although this is a Ford plaque-fly sanctions again)))

[Mercenary]

They must be produced and maintained ... and not junk bought up.

[VAF]

Quote: Mercenary

. and not to buy junk.

The old people have not been bought for a long time .. only small companies, and the titans are only new and from the factory !!!

In the first six months of 2014 alone, the AFL expanded its fleet of aircraft. 13 Airbus A320s, two Boeing 737-800s and six Boeing 777-300ERs were commissioned.
Those. JSC "Aeroflot" has put into operation 21 new ZABUGORNY aircraft !!!

“New aircraft coming directly from manufacturers also contributed to the ongoing modernization of the fleet of JSC Aeroflot, which is already one of the youngest in Europe,” the company emphasized.

In addition, in the six months of 2014, three Boeing 767-300ER airliners were withdrawn from the fleet of OJSC Aeroflot due to the leasing term expiration, as well as five aircraft of the Airbus A320 family were transferred to subsidiary airlines.

Also, 6 IL-96 aircraft were completely decommissioned.

“Changes in the composition of the fleet of JSC Aeroflot provided an increase in marginal passenger turnover by 9,5% in June 2014 and by 13,1% for six months of 2014 compared to the same periods of 2013,” Aeroflot noted.

Well, where is there "patriots of everything and everyone ... the patriotic" ... "the good old Il and Tu"
"Aviation industry rebels"

[jagdpanzer]

Quote: vaf

Well, where is there "patriots of everything and everyone ... the patriotic" ... "the good old Il and Tu"

Duc except Urya-Urya they do not know anything and do not want to know! They think that factories and hard workers are sitting there for more than 20 years, waiting for when to start building. And there, bam, it turns out to be wasteland and pensioners .. I recall the analogy with Sharikov from Dog’s Heart for some reason ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: Mercenary

They must be produced and maintained ... and not junk bought up.

It’s immediately obvious that a person doesn’t fly on airplanes!

[AndreyS]

And I like ours more! In all these Boeings, etc. narrow armchairs. And in the TU-154 wide as in the VIP class cabin. By the way, I also like our IL-96 more than a Boeing. So, let them build new OUR planes! I think it will only be better !!!!!!

[max702]

Not only in this industry, but also in many others, starting from mechanical engineering, electronics, and ending with agriculture, the legacy of the liberals of the reformist hucksters .. 25 years of stagnation, sales of the homeland should not get away with it, it's time to publish lists of people besides sanctions lists responsible for the collapse .. moreover, these surnames are at everyone's ears ..

[vlade99]

First publish, then shoot! What would be disgraceful to others.

[lex loci]

Take an example from China. There are such "lovers of democratic values", i.e. thief, they shoot without long talk about the rights of common people (liberals) and without regard to the opinion of Eurogeans and Ameroids

[Ramadan]

You can see right away that a person is very versed in China ...
Officials take bribes and do not tell tales about the "white bull". As elsewhere in China, there is an inter-clan struggle in the government. If you see executions for corruption, then know that this is a loser clan and pure window dressing.

[Ramadan]

Yes exactly! Then restore the Gulag, expand and shoot, shoot and shoot again. Shoot all, for 23 years of criminals you know how much has accumulated ?!

[Ramzaj99]

Beauties !! Finally they stir !! Meanwhile, in Europe, a quiet panic .......

[oenaraevskija]

That's right (aviation industry). While all sorts of "pgosians" are in command and so on. We will roll into the abyss. Although there are many developments. And the "manturovs" do not allow our carcasses and ILs to breathe. I'm not even talking about the AN-70 and 140.

[APASUS]

Quote: serrrrgo

It will be serious if the maintenance of Boeing and Airbuses is stopped, as it was done with Dobrolet, but for all companies. Unfortunately, in the aviation industry we are now very vulnerable.

They will not stop.
Then this will lead to enormous losses for the Boeing and Airbus themselves and the loss of the name of these companies in the future. This will also play into the hands of such companies as Bombardie, Embrae, ATR, and the loss of the market is not included in the plans of such giants !!!

[jagdpanzer]

Yeah! That's where we recall the destroyed aviation industry and the purchase of used aircraft! Only our aircraft, we practically do not produce!

[prio124]

Five years ago I wrote and yelled wherever I could. Raise the domestic aircraft industry. Where is the "miracle of dry" - "superjet"? Where are the new carcasses -214? Where is Ily, Yaki? Well, our car industry is lousy. But we know how to make airplanes and turntables. This is where you need to invest money. And the production is high technology, and jobs, and we are competitive in the foreign market. And the inner one is only for oneself. And the Americans went far and for a long time ...

[DVxa]

All is correct. They don’t want humanly, it will be bad.
And then the Europeans howled, they say, Europe for what!? You never entered anything, always only expressed concern. Always only us ...
Keep it up!

[papik09]

Quote: DVxa

Europe for what!?

And it’s like in that joke.
Go to Ukrainian from hati. Bere sokiru (ax). Zhinka pitaє: "Tee kudi?" Toy: "Come m.os.k.a.l.і. in vbivati". Zhinka: "How about you ?!" At the top:"AND LESS FOR SCHO ?!"
That's how Europe is. "Comply with WTO rules." (AND WE ARE FOR SHO ?!)

[from punk]

Quote: jaguar

A possible ban on Lufthansa’s passage over the territory of our country is being discussed ..... this is serious !!!!

joke!!!

[nivano]

in fact, initially it was a ban on charter flights, and for all other European / American companies on changing routes when flying over Russian territory (so that they become less competitive compared to Asian carriers). you need to remember that they fly over the territory of the Russian Federation for free. why refuse bourgeois money?
another thing is that Ukraine does not pay this money anyway.

[Monge]

A possible ban on Lufthansa’s passage over the territory of our country is being discussed ..... this is serious !!!!

And if Europe closes its airspace for Russia? The stick has two ends. These are not vegetables from Poland ...

[Serg7281]

Well, let them open. We are talking about transit. And where do we fly through Europe ?? Only to her, and this is a completely different arithmetic.

[PalSanych]

Right! in Venezuela, we already fly along the northern path)))))

[jjj]

Quote: Monge

And if Europe closes its airspace for Russia?

They already closed it for Russian-made aircraft. That is why our companies abruptly transferred the fleet to foreign cars. And our new aircraft are certified with a creak. Nobody wants to let them into their sky

[VAF]

Quote: jjj

They already closed it for Russian-made aircraft.

Just because of ... - the beasts of the Soviet leadership. which then gradually flowed into the Russian 9th profile, I mean).
Closed only by noise level .. the truth is only here ... noise we measured ourselves !!!
And the Il-96 was "closed" purely for .... politically retractable reasons.
What are our new aircraft ????
Super bobby? so he almost everywhere has a green light, even in spite of his "plops".
After all, it’s tailored to the whole of everything imported .. who will harm itself then not give?

[vlade99]

And who flies there? Mostly liberalists. So they need it.

[Bayonet]

Quote: vlade99

And who flies there? Mostly liberalists. So they need it.

You moron stupid and finished! Almost everyone flies on vacation, see the world, relax! And if you have only one interest - to fill the balls, then this is your trouble. And you will answer for the liberalist!

[kazak.zp]

Quote: vlade99

And who flies there? Mostly liberalists. So they need it.

Right. At home, sit in the window and look. All trips are in the "box"

[VAF]

Quote: jaguar

A possible ban on Lufthansa’s passage over the territory of our country is being discussed ..... this is serious !!!!

This can be planned or discussed by a person ... who is sick full head . which I give and is.
And in return, he does not want to get a ban on flights over the territory of the EU for all Russian aviation ???

After all, Lufthansa is just in case a national carrier !!!

[Srgsoap]

Serega, dear welcome! Alas, I totally agree with you!

[Reserve officer]

I don’t know who will eventually fly over our country, and who will not - but to seal the toilets on all adversary aircraft! There is nothing to crap on our land.

[VAF]

Quote: Reserve officer

and who is not - but to seal the toilets on all adversary aircraft! There is nothing to crap on our land.

If there is no agreement, then containers with "natural products of digestion and urination" are removed only at the "home" airports
So your comment .. "to the wrong steppe" ... this is not a steam locomotive .. where is everything ... on "native rails"

[Reserve officer]

Sergey! I understand - the heat, the troubles at work, the devil knows on TV ... But it is very sad when the sense of humor disappears against this background. Cheer up and smile! Life goes on.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Reserve officer

Stock Officer Today, 18: 29 ↑ New
I don’t know who will eventually fly over our country, and who will not - but to seal the toilets on all adversary aircraft! There is nothing to crap on our land.

What stupidity !!!!! Airplanes have sewage tanks that are regularly emptied during preflight preparation !!!!!!!!

[Reserve officer]

Yeah, it's just some kind of epidemic ... First one, then the second. Guys, can you go to KVN together? Comrade Shtyk, you can’t do that, honestly.

[oenaraevskija]

as they us - so we them. They were the first to raise the "sword" (they lay down under "Sam") - now, let them think

[Simple]

Quote: jaguar

A possible ban on Lufthansa’s passage over the territory of our country is being discussed ..... this is serious !!!!

I don’t know if this is a coincidence or not:

02.08.2014



or here:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/4dcf8ce2d70s.html

[Paradoxov]

But the Georgians are happy, they can now safely fly to Ukraine through the Black Sea, but only to, then no one is immune from local air defense!

[asar]

The head of government emphasized that Russia was taking such measures after the West imposed sanctions on Dobrolet.

Well, have we finished badly, "sanctioners" ?!

[subbtin.725]

Quote: INVESTOR

If only the words weren’t limited.

I think that this time it’s all about an adult. Finally, the nation was given a signal to feel a sense of self-worth. To go to the end, too much is at stake ..., to the end. Let’s retreat - we are worthless.

[djtyysq]

Quote: INVESTOR

If only the words weren’t limited ..

Having said "A" you have to go to the end, no exceptions! (But we didn't want that!)

[Arberes]

Quote: volot-voin

Now let them fly over Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. T

Quote: INVESTOR

If only the words weren’t limited ..

What am I thinking about, are there people on the site who are close to this topic?
Suppose we forbid the bourgeoisie over our homeland to use transit flight corridors, but it seems to me that the bourgeois pay us money for these corridors ??? Or do not pay ???
Sanctions must be applied wisely. No need to get involved in this horrible whirlpool! We are embroiled in a squabble with the whole western world and our first task is to minimize our losses and losses in this economic brawl!
Of course it is necessary to snap back and turn on the answer (otherwise, fear will be lost in general), but one must be very careful in this sensitive issue for our country!
But with apples and pears, it seemed to work out quite well, but with the flight corridors, something is not very good for me!

[Dialogue]

Quote: Arberes

Quote: volot-voin

Now let them fly over Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. T

Quote: INVESTOR

If only the words weren’t limited ..

What am I thinking about, are there people on the site who are close to this topic?
Suppose we forbid the bourgeoisie over our homeland to use transit flight corridors, but it seems to me that the bourgeois pay us money for these corridors ??? Or do not pay ???
Sanctions must be applied wisely. No need to get involved in this horrible whirlpool! We are embroiled in a squabble with the whole western world and our first task is to minimize our losses and losses in this economic brawl!
Of course it is necessary to snap back and turn on the answer (otherwise, fear will be lost in general), but one must be very careful in this sensitive issue for our country!
But with apples and pears, it seemed to work out quite well, but with the flight corridors, something is not very good for me!

[zanyks]

They pay. But it’s stupid to think that people will stop flying the cheapest routes. That is, the number of flights of Asian airlines will increase. They will pay. And the passenger flow will remain approximately the same. People don’t care what to fly Lufthansa or the rank of Airlines.

[skeket]

By the way, in this case, it will not only be about the economic component, or EU airline tickets will rise in price (due to an increase in non-cheap jet fuel, an increase in crew fees, food costs, maintenance of the liners themselves, etc.), or a decrease in the profits of companies (flying, practically at cost), but it’s not unimportant that travel time will increase significantly (those who flew to Thailand will understand), despite the fact that Chinese and some Malay Boeings will fly under the same conditions. I think the passengers of Munich and Brussels will appreciate it.

[VAF]

Quote: zanyks

But it’s stupid to think that people will stop flying the cheapest routes

There are no cheap routes .. there are cheaper companies and ticket types (by class. By time, etc.)
To fly to the states, by the way, a non-refundable round-trip ticket is much cheaper.
Just because the number of flights in the direction cannot increase, and as a result of this, the passenger flow will also not be able to increase.
Unfortunately, people don’t care what company they fly and even what type of aircraft!

[ant1958]

Fly 13000km or 15000 is there a difference or not?

[Executer]

Quote: Arberes

but it seems to me that the bourgeoisie is paying us money for these corridors ??? Or do not pay ???

Pay-pay. But if they pay, then it’s more profitable than not to pay and fly around the envelope ... But the answer is m. fraught for us. They also know how to count. They will withdraw their sanctions in brackets. And considering our initial sanctions will begin to introduce bans on our flights ... Oh, that will begin ...
In short - our prohibitions - a Pandora’s box!

[roman_pilot]

Do not worry. I think everything was counted upstairs. No wonder they pulled so long with retaliatory sanctions.

[jagdpanzer]

Quote: roman_pilot

I think that they’ve figured everything out at the top.

nobody there counts nothing ...

[Redfox3k]

uh ... we got involved ??? it seems like they pulled us in ... and it's good ... but a complete reformatting of the country's economy and, in general, the entire worldview ... "difficulties make us stronger ..."

[mishkent]

Yes, they pay. Aeroflot 300 million dollars a year. And in 2 days they lost only 4,5 billion at the fall of stocks !!!! and then direct losses will go: higher ticket prices, higher staff salaries, and most importantly - increased engine wear !!

[vlade99]

For apples and pears - farmers and peasants. Over the flights - multinational corporations. Guess three times, to whom do bourgeois prezies listen?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Arberes

what bourgeois pay us for these corridors ??? Or do not pay ???

It seems they used to pay, then some kind of noise rose, they say it’s undemocratic. I don’t know

[VAF]

Quote: Pilat2009

It seems they used to pay, then some kind of noise rose, they say it’s undemocratic. I don’t know

And they pay and we pay! +!

[Aryan]

they would still fly over Crimea through Berlin with anger and fear
way fly underground
rockets don't fly there

[timurpl]

Quote: INVESTOR

If only the words weren’t limited ..

- I'm afraid that if ours impose these sanctions, then it will not be limited ...
-Hooray!!! and all that is wonderful !!! - How will we fly? or do you think that Europe will swallow it and not give us an answer?
-... and still, can someone explain to me how the sanctions against Dobrolet are related and their purchase of 16 Boeing ?!

[APS]

And let them fly over Ukraine ...

[VPO]

The government of Ukraine on Friday, August 8, will announce a package of sectoral and personal sanctions against Russia.
Kakly from Dill completely stupefied. They also gathered to impose sanctions.

[Associate Professor]

Anectode: Ukraine imposes sanctions

[sscha]

This is the caption under the picture, and in the picture the drug injects an overdose into a vein!

[Redfox3k]

... against Russia

[Hariva]

Quote: malware

The government of Ukraine on Friday, August 8, will announce a package of sectoral and personal sanctions against Russia.
Kakly from Dill completely stupefied. They also gathered to impose sanctions.

Not otherwise prohibit the passage of geostationary satellites over dill.

[PDM80]

[quote = VPO] The Government of Ukraine on Friday, August 8, will announce a package of sectoral and personal sanctions against Russia.
WHAT KIND?????!!!!!

[askort154]

PDM80 ..... WHAT ????? !!!!!

Read carefully - SEXOORAL! Now they will serve only two: the USA and the EU.

[subbtin.725]

Quote: malware

Kakly from Dill completely stupefied.

And the dose is bigger and harder and harder ...

[mishkent]

What did they come up with how to smoke it?

[Lord of the Sith]

See the results of the shelling of Donetsk

[subbtin.725]

At the same time, Dmitry Medvedev said that the government is currently considering and tougher measures in connection with the situation in Ukraine and in connection with the sanctions imposed against Russia.

It’s high time to show the grin; how much can you bend ?, so you can earn sovereign scoliosis. And society will support the president.

[Finches]

For the most part, it is not Bush, Obama or Poroshenko who will suffer, well, the owners will suffer losses, so Mikola will inflate the prices, but Olesya will trample all this on himself ... but in any case, get a fascist grenade!
I am for toughening up measures against Europe, right for the most I do not want to! These sleek burghers, pasta, paddles and other Dutch pi ... v, all stripes must be punished with gas and all that is possible! It's not because I'm so bloodthirsty, I, in the words of a movie hero, insult to the state!

[HAM]

You are not in a hurry, autumn is ahead and who knows what thoughts the guarantor has!

[alexng]

Well, the sleek burghers, pasta, paddles and all sorts of Dutch people there will boil their brains: how did Russia respond with a hook under her breath, and not just as she had just bitten off and justified herself. That’s it, Lafa is over for the gay people. It's time for your hypocrisy and bear the answer, i.e. paying dearly for his stupidity in international relations.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Finches

I am for toughening up measures against Europe, right for the most I do not want to! These sleek burghers, pasta, paddles and other Dutch pi ... v, all stripes must be punished with gas and all that is possible!

Well, you can't be such a stupid envious! Before calling others names, go to the mirror and look - there is not a "macaroni", not a "paddling pool", there is a stupid B S D L O !!!!!

[Finches]

Alexander, if I put it that way, I had in mind slang designations for us, and not only folklore, albeit a little vulgar, but still folklore, specific designations of nationalities, by their common feature, that developed long before ours with you birth! And not wanting to offend them, but emphasizing their relationship to us: Russian pigs, quilted jackets, etc. These are their folklore and historical names of the Russian people - are far from the same culture, you do not find?
And here, you turned to the person that doesn’t fit into the image in which you want to prove yourself! However, you didn’t hook me at all, but let me ask, why did you suddenly decide to advocate?
And a small recommendation, from now on, do not get personal and don’t prove that a stranger is dumb! You don’t know this, are you?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Finches

specific designations of nationalities

Humiliating others - humiliating yourself!

[Finches]

According to your previous answer addressed to me with direct curses, such as "stupid" or "", you probably perceived it a little differently, as you wrote it now!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Finches

Alexander, if I put it that way, I had in mind slang notation for us

I have traveled a lot and I dare to assure you - do not call those people derogatory nicknames! At least they did not insult the Russians, but here every second comment can not do without it. Shame on you gentlemen!

[Finches]

And I dare, you, to assure you that I was not at all going to insult them! After all, we have a fairly common forum where people express their views in the most accessible and less artsy language! All the same, Military Review is not stiff, an English gazebo in the thick of Windsor Park, where London dandies discuss her royal majesty's outfits! If you want, we have a Russian inn! By the way, it was the British who called the French frogmen and brought this to the whole world! We, I will take the liberty to intercede for the comrades, do not insult the peoples and treat all nations very well, many have good friends there and many, like you traveled! We are talking about the policy pursued by these states in relation to Russia, without having to pick up a simple haberdasher, Frenchman Jacques or Italian gondolier Andriano! Do you understand?
And if you do not like our popular Russian restaurant, then you can not visit it, so that every second statement, as you deigned to emphasize, does not warp you! But judging by the rating you are a regular, then everything is acceptable !?
Or maybe you personally decided to call me a stupid cattle, so you take the trouble to explain to me on the basis of what you allowed yourself to insult a completely unfamiliar person!
And here's another thing, as I understand it, you do not consider yourself a dumb cattle, although you allow yourself to unnecessarily scatter this cliché, then as a polite person, apologize! Emphasize your natural intelligence, especially since you are absolutely wrong!

[Giant thought]

Gentlemen from the west fell into the trap that was being prepared for Russia. This is only the beginning, so gentlemen are good, consider the money lost profits.

[Mareman Vasilich]

The main thing is to consider everything. After all, they will provoke and launch planes through Russia. We will have the choice of either skipping or knocking down. These are very difficult maneuvers, subtle. In my opinion, for provocative violations of the airspace, it should be knocked down, I think so. Errors are errors, and provocations are provocations.

[Jin]

It finally began ... I already thought everything, and we will sit with the tongue stuck in one place ...

[Escander_84]

I think a couple of twinks are quite capable of voluntarily forcing a Boeing. Well, then what?!? I think a good fine to roll out, and before the execution of the Boeing for a fine parking lot!)

[Mareman Vasilich]

Perhaps, I think, the military has methods.

[mishkent]

Why immediately shoot down? Put on the airdromes, and then in the jail !!
I don't believe pilots in kamikaze europe

[carver]

why? wrote nonsense ...

[Mareman Vasilich]

Read below, I wrote an alternative.

[nachprod]

Why shoot down when you can forcefully land a plane and fine a company?

[blackberry]

Quote: volot-voin

Now let them fly over Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. There is more than one Boeing will fall. This means weaving your nose into your own crochet. Where on ..li, on the outbreak of conflict, let them fly there.

Remind me, what is the size of the contingent in Afghanistan? Counter-sanctions do not highlight the purpose of aircraft or "cargo". How are they going to get out of there? To the Indian Ocean? Is there an Arab-Israeli conflict along the way, with missiles, etc.? Or will they give Iran more indulgences for airspace? It will be necessary to erect a monument to sanctions after the war. In the form of Churkin's figure behind a microphone. Like - we asked in an amicable way, but since you are so stubborn, we will remember that we used to do everything ourselves. Let it not be so pretty, but it was repaired with a hammer and foul language. Then do not be offended.

[VAF]

Quote: volot-voin

Now let them fly over Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan

Here specifically about the flights of Ukrainian flights to the CIS countries!
Article MIUS ... author's card .. MINUS NUMBER !!!

the author study where neutral waters begin over the sea. and where territorial states end ... and there will be no trace of your school lines !!!

Flight routes will increase by a maximum of 400-500 km (30-40 minutes of flight). Extra fuel is 2-3 tons, the price per ton is 390 green raccoons!

When flying (receiving and providing ANI and MOT through the territory of another state, from 100 to 500 raccoons are paid per 1000 km, depending on where and how.

Now, according to "Pupkin's arithmetic", we count .... who will lose more, we or dill

But if they "resist the same way," then the path to the Balkans, Greece, Italy, Algeria (well, in short, to West Africa) will really cost us ... a pretty penny.

P.S. Super-Bobik, even in the Full version. Precisely then, it will not reach France and Spain, or with only one crew

[blackberry]

Quote: vaf

Flight routes will increase by a maximum of 400-500 km (30-40 minutes of flight). Extra fuel is 2-3 tons, the price per ton is 390 green raccoons!
When flying (receiving and providing ANI and MOT through the territory of another state, from 100 to 500 raccoons are paid per 1000 km, depending on where and how.
Now, according to "Pupkin's arithmetic", we count .... who will lose more, we or dill
But if they "resist the same way," then the path to the Balkans, Greece, Italy, Algeria (well, in short, to West Africa) will really cost us ... a pretty penny.

So I remind you that although they are western, they are still airplanes. They, for a second, need to sit down periodically. But at Russian airports they only refuel and buy air navigation - and that’s all. Ah, an anti-icing shower yet. Which they themselves at cosmic prices impart to us / you. Antifreeze at the price of a diamond. And they are all serviced at home. Who did you want to convince that they, from good intentions, flew Trans-Siberian? Yes, all because of fuel and a little bit of air navigation. All.

[VAF]

Quote: blackberry

So I remind you

Girl, dear ... well, why on this site everything is from the "syndrome of blondes" .. sorry .. but got it. Honest smlovo .. one is bursting (or swelling or rushing0 now you ... I will remind you .. here I am to you as Let me remind you now .. so little space will not seem !!!

For people like you, I wrote it at the very beginning ... but I also had to SELECT ????

Quote from my koment ... so to speak its title "..Here specifically about the flights of Ukrainian aircraft to the CIS countries!"

They sit down periodically ... ladies on the pot ... and planes fly and try with the least number of landings !!!

Quote: blackberry

But at Russian airports they only refuel and buy air navigation - and that’s all.

What the hell ??? And the parking and ATO, and METEO, and the household?

And what does this have to do with it? Or do you want to say that Bobby and buses from UIA and Aerosvit can fly to the CIS countries only with landings?
Confused with Super-Bobby ??

Quote: blackberry

Who did you want to convince that they, from good intentions, flew Trans-Siberian? Yes, all because of fuel and a little bit of air navigation. All.

I wanted to show that the article..AVNO, author Well, you .. not far from them have gone .. excuse me .. but GOT ..... "blondes" !!! Although they have gone far from Psaki too !!!

[blackberry]

you see how it smoothes you Sanctions, power, or female? Do not worry, there are doctors called andrologists. You are 100% their patient ....
No article, just like your exhaust. Aerosvit can fly as he pleases, and from and to the CIS they will have to fly with their / our national carriers, that's all. "You don't have to be criminals" (c) . Accordingly, they will fly, and pay for meteo and household. I worked with airfares, I can raise all the details. But not for you now. And you don’t have to talk to me anymore - I haven’t sent anyone to the black list with more willingness.

[Bayonet]

Sergei! Wooden is useless to explain!

[Spitfire]

flightradar24.com shows that they are flying at full height both over Iraq and over Afghanistan. Unless there is no one over Libya. Moreover, ours fly over Ukraine.

[Basarev]

And yet, in spite of everything, civil aviation should be restored. I believe that the Yakovlevites will be able to construct a worthy intercontinental aircraft. Or Berievtsy - a long-range flying boat. Two-boat layout.

[MedvePut]

And in general - since they close their space for us - we will close for them too! Russia is big, let them now torment themselves, try to fly around it))) But we don’t need to fly over their territory at all, it’s good for us and us, inside Russia! There is where to fly !!!
And do not let the Hohlogidobanderaites gloat!
We are Russian - God is with us !!!

[siberko]

I think kerosene is not cheap now in Dill

[dzau]

Quote: siberko

I think kerosene is not cheap now in Dill

All dill do not care. Even if they begin to move with horse-drawn stagecoaches.

Sanctions against europe and pend0stan should work. It is necessary to beat not the jackal, but the leader.

[Cadet787]

Quote: siberko

siberko Today, 14:57
I think kerosene is not cheap now in Dill

In dill, today only human life is cheap.

[VAF]

Quote: siberko

I think kerosene is not cheap now in Dill

We have the same, unfortunately, far from free!
And such "zigzugs" as ha "drawing" of the afftor ... on large shoulders ... for an elephant a grain of grain. On the "short" ones, yes, but for 1000 versts ...
But again I repeat .. this is only for dill and the CIS countries .. and then again some kind of "drunken blackberry" will "stick" ... or has already fermented

[kostik1301]

Without hesitating faster it is necessary to introduce a ban on overflight, let them smell what it smells ....

[aleks 62]

.....Yes Yes!!! And do not forget about the Afghan transit !!!! Let the adversaries enter and withdraw through Pakistan ....

[Oleg Sobol]

Born to fly, do not need to fly ...

[MBA78]

closed half the globe ... not sickly cut down

[vorobey]

Go to x .. it’s not relevant anymore ... Fly you have to say .. Oh, how I like ... more sanctions yet ... well, punish us ..

[Ruslan67]

Quote: vorobey

Oh, how I like ... more sanctions yet ... well, punish us ..

Sanya! You’ll be more careful there and you’ll get into a rage and you won’t notice how you’ll end up on the handle without waiting for sanctions But in general, where is all the shobla screaming: Putin has been cheating on everything? One performance before the harvest and ..... all over the west

[vorobey]

Quote: Ruslan67

Sanya! You’ll be more careful there and you’ll get into a rage and you won’t notice how you’ll end up on the handle without waiting for sanctions

No Rusik, a stalk is an extreme retaliatory sanction.

Quote: Ruslan67

where is the whole shobla screaming: Putin has been cheating on everything? One performance before the harvest and ..... all over the west

So the whole western crop and pissed off ..

[Ruslan67]

Quote: vorobey

So the whole crop is western

Now it remains for them as humanitarian aid to send a train with lids for seaming and let them practice

[papik09]

Quote: Ruslan67

send train with lids for seaming

Back also a lip-cutting machine

[RONIN-HS]

for Ruslan67 ... "... But in general, where is all the screaming screaming: Putin has poured everything? ..."

Well, if your SHOBLA of "TrickyPutinists" is in place, then WE are still here! We are waiting for a brilliant ANSWER ...
In the meantime, Donetsk is still holding on, but Lugansk has ALREADY been leveled ... This is bad...

[Ruslan67]

Quote: RONIN-HS

WE - have not gone anywhere! We are waiting with a brilliant ANSWER ...

Develop your ears Have already waited

Quote: RONIN-HS

In the meantime, Donetsk is still holding on, but Lugansk has ALREADY been leveled.

I understand, you want to level Kiev and Lviv Have to wait

[vorobey]

Quote: RONIN-HS

in place, then WE - have not gone anywhere

why don’t you help the Donetsk team? we then at least the status of Putinistus uporotus laid. but you’re kind of like a patriot ..

[Wheel]

Quote: Ruslan67

But in general, where is the whole shobla screaming: Putin has been cheating on everything? One performance before the harvest and ..... all over the west

You know, there is a wise Russian proverb: "Chickens are counted in the fall."
Therefore, I personally do not intend to throw caps, wait and see.
The option that after a couple of months (or maybe faster), the sanctions will be abruptly lifted on both sides by no one.
And it will be in this case, as in that joke: "but doesn't it seem that we all ate for free?"
This is to say that our authorities shout A loudly, but B does not even speak in a whisper.

[vorobey]

Quote: Wheel

It’s me that our authorities are shouting loudly A, but B does not even speak in a whisper

Mister you confuse in this case shouted loudly And the USA and Europe. here about B silence for now.

Quote: Wheel

our authorities

Excuse me, but whose will you be?

[mishkent]

On the contrary: our authorities did not say anything for a very long time - everyone was tired of waiting, probably they counted the chickens.
And anyway: let me rejoice!

[blackberry]

Quote: Wheel

Quote: Ruslan67

But in general, where is the whole shobla screaming: Putin has been cheating on everything? One performance before the harvest and ..... all over the west

You know, there is a wise Russian proverb: "Chickens are counted in the fall."
Therefore, I personally do not intend to throw caps, wait and see.
The option that after a couple of months (or maybe faster), the sanctions will be abruptly lifted on both sides by no one.
And it will be in this case, as in that joke: "but doesn't it seem that we all ate for free?"
This is to say that our authorities shout A loudly, but B does not even speak in a whisper.

And you personally ate what Western sanction? One hundred and fifth grade of cheese did not taste? Are you afraid to miss a rare variety of jamon? Just wondering.

[Bayonet]

Quote: blackberry

Are you afraid to miss a rare variety of jamon? Just wondering.

Do you not like jamon? I tried many varieties in Spain - a wonderful thing! True, there are some varieties - with a sweetheart - he did not like it.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Bayonet

I tried many varieties in Spain

Redneck stupid minus set!

[blackberry]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: Bayonet

I tried many varieties in Spain

Redneck stupid minus set!

do not pay attention, there are always dissent, we are not talking here for balance, right? Well, I for sure.

[blackberry]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: blackberry

Are you afraid to miss a rare variety of jamon? Just wondering.

Do you not like jamon? I tried many varieties in Spain - a wonderful thing! True, there are some varieties - with a sweetheart - he did not like it.

)) I really love jamon, and I'm sure that we will come up with something with the Spaniards, find how to support the business of those who sympathize with the Donbass and do not participate in moronic attacks on them or Russians anywhere, who are against Nazism, fascism and other scum. Well, we’ll not think of it, it’s okay, everything in the world has a replacement, especially since such trifles as food. Do you agree? It’s a shame for my power, although I’m kind of like no one for Russia and Novorossia. It is a shame for the collapse of the homeland, although it’s not possible to glue it already. For honest and weak, it's a shame. For this, I can review my diet, vacation plans or wardrobe. This is generally a micro issue. And, you know, I still believe in my brains that I can come up with a lot of other people's tricks)) .... And I know how many simple and not very simple people are there sincerely for the Russians, I haven’t heard a rude word yet these prohibitions are neither from the Germans, nor from the Australians, nor from the Americans. But they already really have problems, even before the introduction of these Russian counter-sanctions. It will be worse further, but they are good people and they understand everything. And they are grateful that there are Russians who do not consider them as one with their silly rulers. On this the world has always stood and will stand. And the creatures will sink into oblivion.

[Bayonet]

Quote: blackberry

And I know how many simple and not very simple people are there sincerely for the Russians, I have not heard a word rude because of these prohibitions either from the Germans, or from the Australians, or from the Americans.

Thank you for understanding! After a week's vacation, I'll go back to the "enemies" - to relax, to see the world!

[Finches]

Alexander, and you have not apologized for the "stupid b .. dlo", how is your "humiliating others, humiliate yourself"?

[Same lech]

The answer has gone .... such a shove of sanctions can go on indefinitely ...... a ball game ....

however, there is no fault of ours here and WEST to decide the world or WAR WITH RUSSIA ..... I believe that a new flogging is required

accomplices of Nazism in UKRAINE.

[Cadet787]

Wait, Pen-dosovskie lizo-asses, and now out of anger, bite your main monkey by the tail and these are just flowers.

[MBA78]

in Poland, fruits run the risk of becoming corpses ... however, fruit genocide

[A1L9E4K9S]

For a mad dog, seven miles is not a hook.

[APS]

Mad Dogs = Psaki

[Altona]

Quote: A1L9E4K9S

For a mad dog, seven miles is not a hook.

---------------------------
I agree completely ... Yesterday I also wrote comments on the subject of transit through our territory for the euro, amero, japo jets, no one really paid attention ... And only some rumors about covering the transit per day caused losses of Western airlines for $ 4 billion .. .Nehilnoe such a weapon is ... How transit ...

[mamont5]

Quote: Altona

. And only one rumor about covering transit per day caused losses of Western airlines for $ 4 billion ... Such a weapon is not sickly ...

Still would. Only rumors about sanctions AGAINST US caused losses of German companies, tk. no one goes to long-term contracts, they say that they are "unreliable companies".

[Stinger]

Before imposing sanctions on Russia, we must learn that:
When flying: The square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the leg.
For gas supplies: The amount of gas flowing is proportional to the fourth power of the radius of the pipe.

[dauria]

In contrast to the Poiseuille formula for a viscous flow, the amount of gas flowing through a cylindrical pipe is proportional not to the fourth, but to the third degree of the radius of the pipe ... Sorry

[Black Colonel]

+ Took off the tongue! +

[KIRON]

Flutter, birds! Who else got up in a pose? They will go the same way! Did you like flying through Krasnoyarsk? You can take the loss! We are with you with all your heart, you have gone too far. Sing now tepericha. Right!

[Yellow white]

That's right, and the EU air carriers, there too, love to fly to India, China, Singapore?
Fly through Mughal!
I exaggerate of course, but the fact is on the face!

[papik09]

Quote: Black and White

but the fact is on the face

III or ... go to the snout

[Redfox3k]

what is Mongolia ??? And through Iraq and Afghanistan ... That is, over ISIS and the Taliban. Not?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Black and White

Fly through Mughal!

Mogul - this is where ??????

[alselu]

born to crawl - cannot fly! Let’s crawl around Russia now!

[Redfox3k]

it is around

[MBA78]

as in the cartoon wings of the legs the main tail
let them jog now

[RUSOIVAN]

So be it!

[Stiletto]

I remember for a long time, my father and mother taught me:
To treat so to treat, to love - so to love
Walk like that, shoot - shoot like that.
But Ukrainian already fly high
Fly - fly like that -
I wave to them (right, with straightened middle finger)

[TUNISIA]

Che there about "do not wake the sleeping bear" said? They did not just wake up, they ate us into the soul of this bear. Well, pinch now in the corners!

[sever.56]

Dill with new routes will have enough aviation fuel reserves for three and a half flights before their "friends" fly to Tbilisi. And let Geyropa fly to Southeast Asia through the North Pole with landings and refueling.

[Redfox3k]

kerosene is not enough

[0255]

And what does the junta say about this? They still want gas at the discount that Yanukovych asked for.

[Caa]

Began.
Russia is a completely self-sufficient country. As one of our members of the forum said the other day: "Russia is the Universe!"

It would also be nice to get the support of the Eurasian Economic Community, and increase the pace of development of the BRICS.

[zzz]

During! And then again, the Anglo-Saxons would have come up with something with the next "Boeing" already on our territory.

[propolsky]

Well, they woke Bear, now you will rake in full, monkeys!

[Federal]

No one had yet been awakened, until only one eye opened slightly. In a nap for now, but soon wake up.

[Redfox3k]

dismisses while in a dream like from flies

[Escander_84]

Beauty !!! ))) Through numbers, it’s better for them!

[mackonya]

Yes, the territory of Russia is not small, many corridors pass through its territory.

[Coconut Tima]

Quote: MIKHAN

.Bear began to rage

Today we will go to the circus!
In the arena again today
With a trained bear
Tamer Uncle Vova.
The circus goes numb with delight.
I laugh holding on to dad
But the Bear doesn’t dare to growl
Just sucks a funny paw
He takes himself by the scrubs,
Important bow to children.
How funny in the circus
With Uncle Vova and the Bear!
1957 Agnia Barto ¶

[Coconut Tima]

Judging by the flag, I moved to Iceland!

[alexandr-budarin1]

Do not enter sanctions current !!! :))))

[kolyhalovs]

There seems to be a war.

[zvereok]

Why immediately war? The West wanted to create a trans-Atlantic trade union? The West got a good kick in the direction of this trade union. Now they will drive gas to them, and homosexual Eurigings, cheese and finzo to them.

[navara399]

Well, they were already late with the war this year, soon the cold - gas!

[Uncle]

You do not need to be an outstanding mathematician and economist to understand what losses such a move Russia promises to Ukrainian air carriers.

In fact, airlines pay for transit, so we lose too. As the saying goes, sanctions are a double-edged sword.

[saag]

Quote: Uncle

In fact, airlines pay for transit, so we lose too. As the saying goes, sanctions are a double-edged sword.

We have already figured that from a possible ban on the transit of Western airlines through the territory of airlines, the Russian Federation will lose $ 300 million a year

[papik09]

Quote: Uncle

In fact, airlines pay for transit, so we lose too. As the saying goes, sanctions are a double-edged sword.

Yes, this is a double-edged sword (like any stick), but air carriers will be forced to raise the cost of transportation, and this is a blow to the flying pocket. It is unlikely that they will be happy if, for example, they flew from Berlin to Delhi for 500 Eureks, and now it will be necessary to lay out the entire 1000.

[Uncle]

Quote: papik09

double-edged sword (like any stick)

Not any.

Quote: papik09

You will need to lay out the entire 1000.

Do you think that it will rise in price by 2 times?

[papik09]

Quote: Uncle

Do you think that it will rise in price by 2 times?

I think so, if not more, because the flight personnel need to pay more for new routes and for dispatching support (you also need to "fit" an additional flight without prejudice to the permanent ones) and so on. So, the costs of the air carrier will increase significantly.

[Escander_84]

We in transit will lose about $ 300 million per year. The West, only on rumors of a cessation of transit, lost $ 4.5 lard. And yes, a holy place does not happen empty. Asia may well replace European carriers in this area. Passenger traffic is not going anywhere. As a result, everyone who deserves China feels good, Europope is bad.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Escander_84

As a result, everyone who deserves China feels good, Europope is bad.

What about us?

[Nekarmadlen]

As Ivan Vasilyevich said in the immortal comedy: "Let him fly !!!"

[Vend]

With regard to the sanctions, I remember the Russian proverb "Don't spit in the well, you may have to drink some water." The west was spitting.

[Caa]

I will add: "Time to scatter stones, and time to collect stones."

[Bayonet]

Quote: Wend

"Don't spit in the well, you may have to drink some water"

Let's see how you will giggle when the corridors are closed to us!

[saag]

purely symbolic sanctions, passenger transportation for Ukraine is now a luxury

[Dart_Veyder]

This is not beneficial for us, after this statement, Aeroflot shares began to fall. In addition, these flights bring real and good money. Not everything is good for us, which is bad for the West.

[Jackyun]

As the unforgettable Matroskin used to say - To buy something, you need to sell something. A classic of Marxism has proved that any profit is obtained through initial investment. So, Aeroflot’s losses are the very initial investment. The mere declaration of intent has already significantly shaken the shares of European air carriers.
Changing the route of flights from Europe to Asia and the Far East means increased fuel consumption, an increase in the crew pay pool, lease of intermediate landing points for refueling, an increase in dispatch support costs, etc.
So who is losing more? Already a howl rises, and yet a ban has not yet been imposed.

[Nikolav]

For flights from Europe to Asia, airlines use the shortest route - the Trans-Siberian route and pay Aeroflot деньги money for this. In the early 1970s. foreign airlines were ready to do a lot, if only the USSR opened a corridor for them, the head of the Federal Air Transport Agency Alexander Neradko told SmartMoney magazine: in this way they could reduce the route by 4000 km and save up to $ 30 on each flight.

At the same time, foreign carriers themselves offered to give them the opportunity to use the Trans-Siberian route for money, the official recalled.

The beneficiary of the transaction was the country's only airline - Aeroflot. After the collapse of the USSR, the system of trans-Siberian payments was preserved, and Aeroflot still received the money. Fees could reach $ 500 million. But most of Aeroflot’s funds, as a rule, were directed to aviation needs. Now, according to a person close to the board of directors of Aeroflot, the airline receives no more than $ 300 million a year from foreign carriers.

Aeroflot shares are getting cheaper on information about a possible ban on trans-Siberian flights →

The largest payers are Lufthansa, British Airways, Air France. Lufthansa is aware of the problem and is concerned about potential losses estimated at more than € 1 billion for three months of sanctions, says a person close to the counterparty of major European airlines. This could not be confirmed. The representative of the German Foreign Ministry said that through official and unofficial channels, Lufthansa did not request any information on the possible closure of the transit. Representatives of Lufthansa, British Airways, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso and European Transport Commissioner Slim Callas did not respond to Vedomosti’s request. Their colleagues from Air France and the French Foreign Ministry declined to comment.

“We are talking about good incomes,” said presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov. “We need to take all the pros and cons into account so as not to become like the Americans and Europeans, actually hitting ourselves in the head with a hammer.” However, he also added that he did not know whether the ministries were discussing these measures and in what vein. A person close to the board of directors of Aeroflot said that if the ban on flights of foreign companies on the Trans-Siberian route is introduced and Aeroflot stops receiving this money, then it will not be able to fulfill other orders that commercial airlines usually do not fulfill: “ This is the operation of Sukhoi Superjet, which costs more than $ 50 million a year, this is all social projects, these are the unprofitable routes that the carrier keeps, this is the airline Aurora, which is a state-important project, but does not fit into the business the logic of an airline like Aeroflot. The representative of Aeroflot declined to comment.

For foreign airlines, a ban on trans-Siberian flights will lead to an extension of the route by an hour and a half on average, commented Oleg Panteleev, head of the analytical department of Aviaport Agency. The cost of fuel and staff wages will increase, the load on equipment will increase, but aircraft turnover will decrease. Given the minimum profitability of the aviation business as a whole, significant additional costs will put European carriers in a difficult position and in noticeably unequal conditions compared to Asian companies. VEDOMOSTY.RU

[Wheel]

Quote: Jackyun

As the unforgettable Matroskin used to say - To buy something, you need to sell something.

"To sell something you don't need, you must first buy that something unnecessary."
No need to misinterpret the classics.
And with the rest of the arguments I completely agree. +

[zvereok]

Aeroflot private shop, with what a fig they receive royalties, but not the state, I do not understand. In addition, several years ago there was a showdown - no one knew the final owner of this shop. It seems they didn’t recognize it. Then there was a butch of royalty, but everyone lowered the brakes as it turned out.

[dzau]

Trampoline becomes relevant?

[papik09]

Quote: dzau

Trampoline becomes relevant?

And a ride with the ISS, too, but what?

[KIRON]

Trucks fly from Krasnoyarsk from Germany to Japan. Transit goes through the North Pole to Canada and the United States. Who will lose more? I think that there will be an agreement on air transportation. It’s cheaper and not bad for us.

[nitrid]

We will soon have nothing to eat, as we survive the winter we do not know. And these d ... ly farther to their feet. At the same time, they shout about patriotism - BUT THE ODOR IS ALREADY GOING ...

[Siberian]

And this d ... lam that, they have everything in full. And they don’t care about people and will not ... until they smear their foreheads with greenery.

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: nitrid

We will soon have nothing to eat, as we survive the winter we do not know. And these d ... ly farther to their feet. At the same time, they shout about patriotism - BUT THE ODOR IS ALREADY GOING ...

Damn, hunger does not choose who Svidomo d.ebil who adequate person ...
And it will be shitty throughout Ukraine ... And it’s too late to escape ...
Waiting for November!

[ALABAY45]

"Now Ukrainian air carriers will not be able to carry out transit flights to countries such as .... and Turkey."
How so! That is, we will not hear the draft howl "M..kolyaku to g..yaku" ?! And there will be no one to drive in the resorts ?! All vacation in .opu!

[Tima]

They told them reptiles, do not tease the Russian bear!

[TURKISH]

Very good news, if you look at the map, you will notice that after changing the flight you will have to fly through Turkey, which means that Armenia will walk on foot.

[dimacassir]

In response, they may break the agreement under which Ukraine provides unhindered access to supply the Russian military in Transnistria. And then Moldova will take it away

[siberalt]

Non-Russian aircraft with Russian passengers and cargo can fly to Transnistria. So what?

[zvereok]

The junta will not forget about this and declare.

[mig31]

The stick has two ends, and as for Ukraine itself, its end as a state is inevitable ....

[sergey05]

Nifiga. Ukrainian airlines as drove planes through our territory and will drive. Like Moscow will not do anything to us, and if he does, we will declare Russia an evil empire, etc.

[Leviton]

without dispatchers ????? There are very complicated pre-flight events to coordinate the place, time, train ... How do you imagine this? Or remove one compartment in the plane to place systems for tracking the situation around?

[Ruslan67]

Quote: LevITon

without dispatchers ?????

Quote: LevITon

. How do you imagine this?

By a pack of Belomor

[Redfox3k]

as an option, only the consequences will be similar to those over Lake Geneva

[Redfox3k]

I’m not going to minus it because you don’t know what to expect from a fool (without a dispatching service and planning a route, no plane, especially a civilian one, will fly a priori.

[Dembel]

Well, it has begun. Russia did not need to respond to sanctions. Western business would still push their governments, after some time, the sanctions would not be extended, and now we ourselves have got into it. Putin said sanctions were a double-edged sword. Offended, broke, nerves lost. And if Ukraine flies over Crimea, what will we do? Shoot them down or let fly to the international courts? So after all, we will lose unambiguously. For international law, Crimea is still Ukrainian territory. And how will we fly if we introduce the same sanctions? And with agricultural products is somehow incomprehensible? At first they were eager for the WTO, but now we say that sanctions will only help us to support the domestic producer. So why the heck goat button accordion is asked?

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Dembel

Well, it has begun.

Right! Began! Now whiners will climb out of all the cracks: Ah, why did we do this Yes, what would this shit become shitty and the point shrank Accustomed to the fact that they can do everything with everyone, and here in the face of a kirzach

[Dembel]

You write nonsense, my dear. The cap-bailing has not brought anyone to good. Currently, Russia has no friends and allies from among those countries that have weight in world politics.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Dembel

You write nonsense, my dear.

Filter the bazaar, otherwise you'll have to register for a new one

Quote: Dembel

Hatchery has not brought anyone to good

But what have the hats to do with it? I didn’t say that everything is fine And just a kirzach in a brazen face. What is not clear?

[Dembel]

Look how. So not everything is good? A kirzach in the face for whom? At whom the cost of sanctions will cause the greatest force in the compression of the sphincter of the ass and whose goats will become shitty? I think we have, because they are still weak. As for filtering the bazaar, I said what I said, dear Ura-patriot.

[TURKISH]

Quite right, all the more so considering that the cap towards Russia flies from America and the sanctions do not concern it. It is necessary to create new alliances with powerful countries and not with small Armenia.

[VAF]

Quote: Ruslan67

Right! Began! Now whiners will climb out of all the cracks: Ah, why did we do this

Ruslan, hello! Well, somehow you abruptly ... BEGAN ... and the person specifically posed a SPECIFIC question ..... FIG FIGURED INTO THE WTO ????
The answer is WHERE ????
And you say ... started.
The fact that I personally think that a response to sanctions is correct, because. all the same, they will add empty "places" from the Latinos, therefore ..type support of a domestic manufacturer .. these are noodles for people!
Today was at the bazaar .. The prices are almost there. So far, that 5 rubles has risen and that’s it!

But with these sanctions ours drove a serious wedge between a banana and a gay ropa. I am very glad if people trample these mackerels and Olandov well, and all sorts of crap. ..2 our rassian people by a third "

[Ruslan67]

Hi Seryoga

Quote: vaf

Well, somehow you abruptly ... STARTED.

And this is like a snowball: throne from a place and the shit rushed through the pipes

Quote: vaf

the man specifically posed a SPECIFIC question ..... THE FIGURE BACK TO WTO ????

I asked the same question when I turned up

Quote: vaf

.type support domestic manufacturer .. this is noodles for people!

And I wrote about the kirzach and not about the domestic manufacturer

Quote: vaf

With these sanctions, we drove a serious wedge between a banana and a gay ropa.

So let everyone be equally shitty and not just us

[Redfox3k]

The International Civil Aviation Agency recognized the sky over the Crimea as Russian. So do not la la.

[Cristall]

Quote: Redfox3k

International Civil Aviation Agency recognized the sky over Crimea - Russian

not correct --- it was meant that the Russian Federation provides security, not territorial affiliation. For ICAO, security is more important than security. realities.
Therefore, a similar attitude.
With ports and airports, everything is more complicated. Than with air. tracks.

[bmv04636]

It was infa that GPS equipment did not work in the airspace of Moscow (there was no signal) on airplanes. In connection with these, I propose to our authorities, in order to ensure flight safety, to suspend the flight of heikolkhoz, CGA-shn aircraft before installing certified and approved GLONAS equipment on their aircraft.

[Burberry]

Quote: bmv04636

GPS equipment

Kstaaaati, in the subject of GPS. Who will tell you by what date in August of this year our Government put forward an ultimatum about Glonass stations in the USA? Briefly - if you do not allow ours - we will disconnect yours.

[Bayonet]

Please communicate in RUSSIAN!

Quote: bmv04636

heikolkhoz, SGA-shny aircraft

This nonsense is not clear to everyone.

[bmv04636]

Euro collective farmers - EU, SGA - United States of America or USA

[erased]

1. Close the Ulyanovsk junction for the transit of military cargo to Afghanistan.
2. Stop supplying US titanium.
3. Close McDonald's, but with the preliminary commissioning of the Russian fast-food chain (with retraining of personnel).
4. To prohibit the import into the country of carbonated drinks, but with the saturation of the market with domestic drinks.
5. Consider the creation of a new Russian space station with the subsequent cessation of work on the ISS.
6. Terminate the contract for the supply of rocket engines in the United States.
7. To begin the urgent course of agricultural restoration on the scale of the RSFSR of the sample of 50-70 years of the 20th century.
8. Be prepared for war. To be! Ready !!!

[siberalt]

1. Close the Ulyanovsk junction - serious problems may arise with Afghanistan.
2. The USA can buy titanium from third countries, such as "reverse deliveries". And what, to close its production?
3. McDonald's time to close.
4. We do not import soda, but produce it locally under their licenses, for which the manufacturer pays, and ultimately we are with you.
5. With the ISS will not ride. Here a couple of years is not enough. Yes, and do not pull it alone.
6. With rocket engines more difficult. They are mostly Americans who buy them from us.
7. Restore agricultural on the scale of the RSFSR pre-virgin post-war time? This is something new. But what about land reclamation and chemicalization?
8. And for "always be ready for war" - special thanks!

[Bayun]

The capital also needs to be moved from Moscow to the Northern Urals. The number of "scammers at the embassies", spies and other enemies in Moscow and St. Petersburg is simply off scale. The tsar needs to break the vicious connection between money and power, otherwise there is a risk of a "palace coup".

[Redfox3k]

In Novosibirsk ... there, and bears walk the streets, and frost in the winter from minus 40 and further Celsius .... real Russian flavor ... without banter!

[aleksandroff]

Quote: serrrrgo

It will be serious if the maintenance of Boeing and Airbuses is stopped, as it was done with Dobrolet, but for all companies. Unfortunately, in the aviation industry we are now very vulnerable.

everything that the Boeing has titanium and some other is done here. and 600 of our specialists participated in their latest development. besides, do not forget about palladium, which we and South Africa supply. there is no high technology without it. it is silly to think in general that Russia earns only oil and gas.

[Redfox3k]

about the last "... oil and gas" is said only by those who say "putinvsekhslil therefore everything is gone"

[Signaller]

Consider-consider, but so far no decision has been made. We wait .... Shares of these companies collapsed a little yesterday, today they will go out. There will be some noise. And then we- "Yes, in no case. No way.". And the money is bye-bye.

[lenamir]

Only 2 months ago, clever forecasting patriots all this ..... and what did we chew snot? There will be more aggressive US and European policies against us ...

[Redfox3k]

that is, against themselves ... the boomerang effect is called

[tag17]

Life is a strange thing, probably, but for us? now heard in Europe ...

[maxim1]

As Lelik said in a wonderful old movie - "I will be neat, but sore, ha-ha-ha-ha!"
Well, did you wait for Abramka with satellites? So these are just flowers, something is yet to come!
When this stupid fool understands that Ukraine is delinquent ... it will strike Iran - our natural ally.
And this will be the beginning of the end of 3,14ndosia.
Lord, it would be more likely to have ended!

[RUSLAT]

So them, not you .... Huddled. Accustomed to sanctions with one goal. It's only the beginning.....

[Sanglier]

Japanese and Chinese carriers began to calculate profits !!! Together with Thailand and Korea !!!

[Leviton]

What about the Japanese? they introduced sanctions ....

[andj61]

The funny thing is that the Government Decree on measures to implement the Presidential Decree includes the United States, Canada, Australia, Norway and the EU countries. Japan is not there. Forgot?

[blackberry]

Quote: LevITon

What about the Japanese? they introduced sanctions ....

right - this is a signal to them, they say, tie up a stupid, let's nail to our shore.

[Wheel]

Japanese why? Yapy joined the sanctions, if Che.

[korablik]

Well, they woke Bear, now you will rake in full, monkeys!

Do not insult the monkeys, our little brothers!
We are talking about non-traditional people - Psheks themselves admit their love for oral sex. About gypsies too lazy to speak. Tribaltics will have to eat sprats for the rest of their lives.
By the way, sprat production is established in Kaliningrad. Due to the prod. the embargo on the fishing industry will increase there. Latvian fishermen will hand over fish to them, and not to their ports.

[Bayonet]

Quote: korablik

Do not insult the monkeys, our little brothers!

You, as I understand it, imagine yourself to be an older brother? You cannot refuse modesty!

[kelevra]

Well done officials! I didn’t think what I would write sometime, but such retaliatory measures are really pleasing!

[lukke]

These measures include a possible ban on transit air transportation through the airspace of the Russian Federation to North American and European companies

and Japan there do not forget !!! also that sanctioner

[Yarik]

Gee-gee ... the picture smiled. Well, just like "the square of hypotinus is equal to the sum of the squares of the legs." Let them learn the basics of dill geometry.

[ankh-andrej]

And they tell me that she’s ...