Malaysian experts said that the Boeing 777 was hit by an air-to-air missile of the Su-25 fighter.

An expert group from Malaysia concluded that the Boeing-777 airliner that fell in the east of Ukraine was shot down by the Su-25 attack aircraft, reports Pravda.Ru.

According to experts, they first fired an air-to-air missile using a passenger liner, and then “finished off” it with fire from an 30-mm cannon. This is indicated by the nature of the damage and the fragmentation of the fragments: there are also rounded holes, which are usually obtained as a result of shots from a cannon, and tearing holes, characteristic of missiles with swept striking elements.

"In some (photographs from the crash site) the fragments from the explosion coincide with those that are left weapon with a remote fuse, and on others - more accurate and heap, from fire from a cannon. We are analyzing this, ”the representative of the expert group said.

According to him, the liner fired a rocket with a thermal homing head, which got into its engines. This version refutes the claims of Kiev that the plane was hit by a Beech installation.

Earlier, the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Andrei Kartapolov, reported that shortly before the crash, a Ukrainian attack aircraft Su-25 was noticed near the Boeing.

Meanwhile, the Air force notes that in the crash area of ​​the Malaysian airliner clashes between the militia and the Ukrainian security forces continue. According to the Prime Minister of the Netherlands, Mark Rutte, due to the dangerous situation he had to suspend the search for the remains of the dead passengers.

Comments

[portoc65]

Well now what to do with this truth to everyone? Wait for the psaki statement?

[Cormorants]

Make a claim to Ukraine!

[Oleg Sobol]

It would be nice to find the original article ... On Pravder, that I did not find it ...
Found the source: http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

But there is no such statement.

[neri73-r]

They will write to Benny, just Piglet will become easier in the political struggle!

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: neri73-r

Write to benyu

So Beni has no planes like ... And Porosya has some, but there are

[Bodrov]

Quote: neri73-r

They will write to Benny, just Piglet will become easier in the political struggle!

[Dunno]

They say that the debris was lying around for a long time, the holes were fresh, they were drilled with a drill.
Ссылка http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/formerussr/ukraine/06-08-2014/1219978-boeing-0/

[DONCHANKA]

Convinced and intoxicated by the blood of the Southeast!

[Nahum]

Everything will be written off again to Russia! About a month ago, the militias announced that they already had aviation (they captured a working combat aircraft). Then everything somehow died out, but that plane remained. Now it will be quite easy to launch the "canard" that it was he who shot down the unfortunate Boeing. The pilot was, of course, "Russian" ...
Svidomye come up with a thread! A psaki confirm the comments from the Internet.

[kostiknet]

and not just Russian, but with Putin at the helm !!! The old photo will be drawn (where it is in the cockpit of a fighter), and that the type of aircraft does not fit - but who understands them !!! And so it goes ...

[Federicco]

Castrate and release the entire junta. You can’t breed like that, but you have to live and suffer.

[K-50]

Quote: Federicco

Castrate and release the entire junta. You can’t breed like that, but you have to live and suffer.

They will bring too much grief to people from evil, such people simply should not live and spoil the air, I prevent others from living

[maxxdesign]

and still have to amputate the hands to the elbows - let the slops from the ground eat with stoops to survive!

[although]

is on the truth: http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/formerussr/ukraine/06-08-2014/1219978-boeing-0/
but I would like confirmation from more authoritative sources

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Makar

is on the truth: http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/formerussr/ukraine/06-08-2014/1219978-boeing-0/
but I would like confirmation from more authoritative sources

A piece of MH17 skin with traces of 30 mm shells.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

excuse me, but why "30 mm shells" ?!
why not splinters, let's not be like "ukram" and dogs.

[T-130]

the aviation gun has a caliber of 30 mm, it’s possible that it was finished with a Boeing!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: T-130

the aviation gun has a caliber of 30 mm, it’s possible that it was finished with a Boeing!

iiii
can you say with confidence on this ph that this is a gun and not the damaging elements of a rocket?

[maxxdesign]

why did you get to the bottom?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

first, I don’t remember that we were on "you"
second, why is this "photo" from Photoshop, another is condemned
third, without your not very polite statements, I understand how it differs from one another
fourth, do you understand the difference between the striking parts of the rocket and the fragments?

[badger1974]

maybe, or maybe not, - answer the question - why all the turbine blades (I note for the turbine-turbines and not the compressors) were intact, and the hull was worn out, and the inter immediately calls the boeing from the cruise Vincennes, in my opinion, I don't remember, you can dig, but it was like that, Iran "swallowed" then striped sperm, but we are not Iran,

[homosum20]

Dear, you are not alone here .. Have you noticed? This is actually a forum. Is it possible to express in Russian? I mean, so that the rest would understand. My profession also has slang, but it is used in professional communication to reduce discussion time. And here is the common territory. No time - don’t come.

[Turkestan]

If the firing was conducted by the General Staff 2-30 with Armor-piercing shells (BR), then there will be no fragments (a steel core is installed inside the shell)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Turkestan

If the firing was conducted by the General Staff 2-30 with Armor-piercing shells (BR), then there will be no fragments (a steel core is installed inside the shell)

What are you talking about?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

What are you talking about?

He simply confused the fragments of shells with the striking elements of a rocket. By the way, are there beads or rods on the beech? If the rods, then definitely not Beech.

[Echelon]

On the BEECH, depending on the modification of the rocket, there are 2 types of damaging elements: 1 are balls, 2 are cubes, the same as in C-300. Cubes are more preferable since when equipped, they do not leave voids, thereby increasing the damaging mass of the cloud.

[badger1974]

if a weapons technician, then never "press" in a BC for an assault type of activity purely armor-piercing - one armor-piercing - three OFT, this standard-GSh-2-30 cannot shoot single, this is not provided for by the design

[Redfox3k]

the holes on the pieces of the casing are probably 30 mm in diameter, which coincides with the caliber of the standard gun su-25

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Redfox3k

the holes on the pieces of the casing are probably 30 mm in diameter, which coincides with the caliber of the standard gun su-25

Once again, can you say this on this photo ?!

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Once again, can you say this on this photo ?!

And you can do it deny on this photo?
It is not good to fit into someone else's discussion, but I'm sorry, your manner of conducting it ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Cynic

Can you deny this in this photo?

that is, we came to the conclusion that it is impossible to unequivocally state the reasons for these holes, and it follows that it is unambiguous to prove Russia’s innocence and the guilt of banderlogs in this tragedy based on this photo

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

that is, we came to the conclusion that it is impossible to unequivocally state the reasons for these holes

It’s definitely impossible, never, to say anything!

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

it follows that to unequivocally prove Russia's non-involvement and the guilt of banderlog to this tragedy

One should not say so confidently, mind games are such an unpredictable thing!
The main argument against Buka _ No one saw a trace of his missiles! And the plane crashed!
For example _ There is a snapshot of a piece of the front of a Boeing with multidirectional traces of holes! Two explosions?
You just think, always the geyropa and yusovtsy accusing the RF of anything (formerly the USSR) brought a lot of documentary information, the benefit of its sources is not enough! Now silence, well, do not take the photo from a Google satellite as a document. This State Department had nowhere to go, at least something to show!
Special services of yusovtsy and geyropov get off with common words.
They have no information?
They have information, only now, most likely, it’s not what the State Department needs. Therefore, they are silent.
Slowly sliding towards a heated confrontation, Parashenko announced the resumption of hostilities in the Boeing crash zone.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Cynic

It’s definitely impossible, never, to say anything!

Well, why if you have a corpse and you took a bullet from it, then it can definitely be tied to a specific weapon
or if you find the remnants of a missile v-in, you can definitely name the cause of the fall or find ammunition from an air gun

Quote: Cynic

The main argument against Buka _ No one saw a trace of his missiles! And the plane crashed!

in the kitchen for a cup of tea, such an argument will go

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

in the kitchen for a cup of tea, such an argument will go

Here recently in a news feed slipped _ In Ukraine, two, in the kitchen for a cup of tea, exchanged arguments. for life, for the Russian Federation and for Ukraine, it came to piercing and cutting equipment. A convinced supporter of Nezalezhniy, after such a showdown, jumped out into the street screaming _ Ryutiruyte kind people, I did not want this, I did not want to kill him.
It can also be seen that his arguments were not sufficiently weighty.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

The main argument against Buka _ No one saw a trace of his missiles! And the plane crashed!

for the kitchen conversation, the argument is irrefutable

Quote: Cynic

Special services of yusovtsy and geyropov get off with common words.
They have no information?

definitely there, but once again for evidence for the kitchen conversation and in international instances are somewhat different

You just think, always the geyropa and yusovtsy accusing the RF of something (formerly the USSR) brought a lot of documentary information, the benefit of its sources is not enough! Now silence, well, do not take the photo from a Google satellite as a document.

I don’t need to persuade me, I kind of have my own opinion and it’s not in favor of the Pindos, I need to convince the international authorities, and so that there would be no ambiguity, today the situation is simple “either he stole, or stole from him, but the taint remained"

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

it is necessary to convince the international authorities, and so that there would be no ambiguity, today the situation is simple "either he stole, or it was stolen from him, but the smell remained"

What you as a noble girl _ need to convince international authorities! Yeah, do they want to make sure? More precisely know the true picture of the tragedy?
Oooh .
Geyropa, supporting the SGA, unequivocally pointed out the guilty _ Militia and the Russian Federation. The recognition of another is a loss, for them, of a person.
And in general, this investigation ...
Not a single court recognizes evidence from him; the IMPACCILITY of the crime scene has been violated!
Who can guarantee that damage on the wreckage of a Boeing appeared at the time of the disaster? None !
Naive, argue, get excited, argue _ Who? How ?
As it was said _ The last phrase is remembered - this Stirlitz deduced for himself, like a mathematical proof.
let's hope so.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Cynic

What you as a noble girl _ need to convince international authorities! Yeah, do they want to make sure? More precisely know the true picture of the tragedy?

Apparently, you have never waged negotiations in your life whether you like it or not, but we live in a closed world and not alone on the planet

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

apparently you have never waged negotiations in your life

He led, though the Almighty delivered from the political ones, here are the production (earlier) and commercial (now) more than once.
And I understand perfectly well that to negotiate when the other side is absolutely not interested in them, well, the other is now interested in her, empty chores.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Cynic

And I understand perfectly well that to negotiate when the other side is absolutely not interested in them

Well, what is trifling, gasp of poplar and the whole problem, all one in the negotiations one side is not interested.
I wonder how many negotiations you failed with this logic

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I wonder how many negotiations you failed with this logic

Is this with yours?

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

what trifles, gasp of poplar and the whole problem

Well, as far as I understand you have no Topol, no one exports this planting material and its analogues.
Folk wisdom says _

God did not give the pig horns, but there would be a butting. Kaby pig bull horn and horse's hoof!

Yes, for the future _

Sophism (from the Greek. Σόφισμα, “skill, skill, cunning invention, trick, wisdom”) is a false statement, which, however, seems superficial when considered superficially.

[DONCHANKA]

Lawyer you ukrovsky. Locals do not count? During the so-called ATO local residents have learned to distinguish between brands of aircraft. It was 2 SU-25-one controlled from above, the second shot. He was then shot down by the militia.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: DANISH

It was 2 SU-25-one controlled from above, the second shot. He was then shot down by the militia.

who shot down?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

but just answer the question weakly, or is there just enough minus brain?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Apparently the brain is difficult to turn on, but the question was not in vain asked.

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

During the so-called ATO local residents have learned to distinguish between brands of aircraft. It was 2 SU-25-one controlled from above, the second shot. He was then shot down by the militia.

if the conversation is about the Boeing shooting down SU 25 and if someone claims that he will distinguish the Boeing 777 from Su 25 at an altitude of 10000 without optics, then this person is a nonsense, and the one who believes in this is not entirely smart (I can’t say more precisely censorship will not miss)

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and if someone claims that he will distinguish a Boeing 777 from a Su 25 at an altitude of 10000 without optics, then this person is a nonsense,

But it’s in vain that you’ve been wedging something recently, absolutely inadequate reactions in a normal dispute.
On the inversion track, airplanes differ very simply. Yes, it is possible to determine in detail that only pros can fly, but the fact that different planes can not fly can only be blind or a person for whom an inversion trace in the sky is a miracle unprecedented!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Cynic

And here you are in vain

dear, just don’t need to ride on my ears that this photo is without optics at an altitude of 10000
the same track at this height you visually merge you will not see two or four
"passengers" on the "track" I see every day it happens that there are four in a row, and drying every week, therefore, forgive me, but your desire to pry me is not the goal

photo from 10000 meters

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

"passengers" on the "highway" I see every day there are four in a row, and drying every week,

Sorry, but how do you distinguish them at such an altitude of about 10m ?! It does not seem to you that you yourself have refuted it. AND ?
Stubbornness and perseverance are two different things.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Cynic

Sorry, but how do you distinguish them at such an altitude of about 10m ?! You don’t think that you yourself and

it doesn’t seem, but 10000 except for passengers no one walks, drying flies over the farm are much lower, but I don’t know which one of the passengers flies, I just know that there is a track there and, accordingly, no one except them
flies

how many planes and which ones in the photo?

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

how many SU 24 in the photo?

The inversion trace ... is most often observed in the upper layers of the troposphere, much less often in the tropopause and stratosphere. In some cases, it can be observed at low altitudes.

To answer the question with a characteristic feature of the discussion of a fairly well-known nation, why do you need this?
Or do not want to clarify -

Quote: Cynic

Sorry, but how do you distinguish them at such an altitude of about 10m ?!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

To answer the question with a characteristic feature of the discussion of a fairly well-known nation, why do you need this?

and then, what if you cannot distinguish them, then what are all the previous "lace"

and by the way, I answered the question with a direct and intelligible answer, but for some reason you want to change everything

so how many planes in the photo?

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and then, what if you cannot distinguish them, then what are all the previous "lace"

That's interesting _ But your question is absolutely adequate to you.
The conversation was about determining the type of aircraft by its inversion trace, deciphering a picture of the earth's surface here?
Recently, you very carefully discussed international law and the need to prove something to someone there, so try to prove to me that your manner of conducting the discussion is not demagogy.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Cynic

The conversation was about determining the type of aircraft by its inversion trail

no need to come up with anything

During the so-called ATO local residents have learned to distinguish between aircraft brands

on in addition to 10000 you do not distinguish the inversion trace, I'm sorry

once again how many and which planes in the picture

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

no need to come up with anything

Is it really _

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

if someone claims that he will distinguish a Boeing 777 from a Su 25 at an altitude of 10000 without optics, then this person is a liar

And then _

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

"passengers" on the "highway" I see every day there are four in a row, and drying every week,

Yes, you’ve used a very significant word

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

bullshit

.
So goodbye _
History does not know the subjunctive mood.
The first step has already been taken _ Maidan destroyed, the rest are also known.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Apparently, you yourself were lost in your thoughts, and Maidan is not at all clear why.

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

you yourself are lost in your thoughts

It’s much easier to get lost in strangers.

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and Maidan is generally not clear why

Well, don’t tell me if it’s not at all the root cause of the chain of events in Ukraine that led to the death of a Boeing.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

The inversion trace ... is most often observed in the upper layers of the troposphere, much less often in the tropopause and stratosphere. In some cases, it can be observed at low altitudes.

what’s this ?!

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

what’s this ?!

This is the topic of conversation.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

IRS
What topic are you talking about?
we are talking about 10000 airplanes which local somehow distinguish from each other

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Listen, you do not work as a consultant in the State Department, the evidence is very similar

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Listen, you do not earn extra money in the State Department

Well, where am I to the sir, wretched to Jenny and you.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Cynic

Well, where am I to the sir, wretched to Jenny and you

Well, judging by the photos that you give as evidence, it's just fine.
you refer to photo-nonsense just like they

I will be happy if they prove the guilt of banderlogs, but for now, unfortunately, this is not so, and referring to the Malaysian tabloid is like rakhskism

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

but for now, unfortunately, this is not so, but referring to the Malaysian tabloid is like rakhskism

One of the versions has the right to exist like the others.
Even after the appearance of an official ICAO opinion, these unofficial versions will exist and multiply.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

as a version yes but not as a proven event, unfortunately

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

like version yes

How else?
Now is not the Soviet era when the highest degree of certainty was _ It was in the newspaper!

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

but not as a proven event

Ha, even if an interview with the pilot appears in the newspaper _ How I shot down a Boeing, this still will not be a proven event!
And the ICAO conclusion will also not be the ultimate truth.

[Alexander I]

It is from the gun that the holes are round, even, and the fragmentation should be torn.

[maxxdesign]

because the holes are even, and the diameter of the hole corresponds to the gauge! and since the fragments are heterogeneous in structure - accordingly, the holes will be inhomogeneous and torn!

[DONCHANKA]

Hello! Arrived! The fragments are formed in advance in similarity to each other!

[desertfox]

If only everyone knew what a hit from GSh-30-2 looks like on an aluminum airplane body ...
For example, here I have at least 2 objections to this snapshot with the following signature:
1 - how to put shells from a 30mm gun so heap? distance after all.
2 - it is charged mainly with high-explosive fragmentation ammunition, but they nevertheless detonate when touched for the purpose.

[Iline]

I will support desertfox.
HS shells cannot lie so crowded, even at very high rate of fire.

[Cynic]

Quote: Iline

HS shells cannot lie so crowded, even at very high rate of fire.

You at least look, for a general idea of ​​how Drying could shoot at a Boeing!
Already laid out today _

For firing from the GSh-2-30 cannon, Z0-mm cartridges with high-explosive incendiary OFZ-30-GSh, tracer OFZT-30-GSh, armor-piercing-explosive BR-30-GSh and multi-element ME (contains 28 bullets in a bag and a knockout charge) shells (shell weight 400 g).

[SAXA.SHURA]

General Staff, it’s just a heavy machine gun, Gryazev and Shipunov called it an aviation cannon. And stop talking about fragments, great gunsmiths. That's it.

[viktorR]

Do you know how a machine gun differs from an automatic gun?

[izGOI]

It is believed that with a caliber of up to 30 mm, this is a machine gun, and 30 and above is a gun. More recently, there was an article on this in VO.

[Cynic]

Quote: izGOI

It is believed that with a caliber of up to 30 mm, this is a machine gun

Somehow before it appeared _ 20mm.
And so the class, coaxial machine gun _

[badger1974]

wow, you dumb me if I ended up in the tank when IL-2- showered me with my 23 VY - doesn’t it seem crazy to you? try trokhs we can begin to think

[78bor1973]

I don’t see at all what kind of caliber it would be, it would be possible to attach a ruler to the photo, but in my opinion, from 30-ka, the holes will be larger in scale, which can’t be patched with any adhesive ...

[FACKtoREAL]

this is shrapnel damage!

[badger1974]

And Us Rat -you, if you indicate 30 mm shelling, this is a characteristic feature of a bug missile, and if you do not understand what GSh-2-30 is, you will soon realize that the 30 mm GSh-2-30 ammunition makes your mobile voyage full trash (in shit), and if GS-23- ask the Germans what attack aircraft did with their Maybachs T-4, calm down and don’t rattle

[Cynic]

Quote: badger1974

ask the Germans what attack aircraft did with their t-4 maybachs

If anything, Pz.Kpfw.IV produced the AG Krupp concern and put guns 20mm then 23mm and a tank exclusive 37mm on Ilah.
30mm, especially the sparks, never set

[iConst]

Quote: badger1974

ask the Germans what attack aircraft did with their T-4 maybach, calm down and not rumble

And what did they "do"? Nothing special - firing the cannons was very ineffective. Especially when the later modifications of the PzKpfw IV went, not to mention from the Tigers and Panthers.

Il2, with all its positive qualities, because of the mass had an insufficient angle of attack, and therefore had to be fired from a sick distance. The probability of hitting was low, and the armor penetration rate was even lower.

This prompted the search for more effective weapons, which turned out to be PTAB 2,5.

When attacking the tank with a cassette (48 pcs), an experienced pilot achieved a guaranteed defeat of any tank from a height of 200 m.

PS: From Maybach there could only be an engine (and something like it was on T6).

[WKS]

Quote: Oleg Sobol

It would be nice to find the original article ... On Pravder, that I did not find it ...
Found the source: http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

I wonder who was the source of information for this article. Is this serious stuff or gossip?

[Rus2012]

Quote: wks

This is serious stuff.

More than birch ...
First hit the P-60, then, when it began to lose speed and decline - finished off with a gun.
However, many already knew about this. Now it is voiced. It remains to attach the striking elements ...

[mamont5]

Quote: Rus2012

More than birch ...
First hit the P-60, then, when it began to lose speed and decline - finished off with a gun.
However, many already knew about this. Now it is voiced. It remains to attach the striking elements ...

If that was the case, then the crew had to react somehow, at least verbally. And therefore, there should be notes on the voice recorder. And this is a complete out for the junta.
And the Aglitsky experts are silent suspiciously. Probably, with the owners are conferring what version to offer the world community.

[Rus2012]

Quote: mamont5

And therefore, there should be notes on the voice recorder.

... they are - complete bewilderment at first, then unprintable ... and that's all in the local dialect.

[Tatar 174]

Quote: mamont5

And the Aglitsky experts are silent suspiciously. Probably, with the owners are conferring what version to offer the world community.

They will not tell the truth! They have a huge experience of lying, so there’s no point in waiting for the truth from them ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Rus2012

More than silver

what is the seriousness, evidence of such accusations based on "I think so" is worthless, and if you take into account the significance of the issue, then even less

[Rus2012]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

to "I think so"

dear, your "I think so", I suppose, interests only you.

And this article is a statement of fact and how everything was, and everything is already based on primary indications. It's just that these testimonies and facts have not yet been properly recorded by the international commission investigating the case. It will be studied and "filed" for months ...

You will not argue with the fact that the competent authorities of the Russian Federation have records of radar (air force and air defense) of the behavior of ALL aircraft in this area and at this time. So far, only data from the Rostov zonal civil observer for the air situation and satellite images (with a higher resolution of 20xNUMX than was shown at the briefing) have been sent to the commission. Among other things, there is NATO Air Force observation data (at that time there were exercises in the adjacent territories) and US images, but they are silent in the tube, because it’s clear that they recorded ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Rus2012

dear, your "I think so", I suppose, interests only you.

And this article is a statement of fact and how everything was, and everything is already based on primary evidence.

stating that this conclusion of the commission is not important to ours or not, our facts have been stated and I have no doubt about them in any way, but the article is similar to the same for censorship.

Quote: Rus2012

Among other things, there is NATO Air Force observation data (at that time there were exercises in the adjacent territories) and US images, but they are silent in the tube, because it’s clear that they recorded ...

then, unfortunately, they are not there yet, the whole world is on a drum that in the 80s the Pindos substituted the Korean Boeing under our blow, for all of us, and not the Americans, we became an "evil empire"
in such matters, snot and emotions are contraindicated and such articles gladly hawala "people" a lot of fried and zero evidence.
It’s difficult to accuse me of loyalty to banderlogs or even more Pindos, but whether we like it or not without iron evidence of the involvement of these two forces in the tragedy, we won’t do anything, it’s not a fact that it will succeed, and even such fried articles can be useful only if there will be a huge number of them at what not in RuNet but in the West

[Cynic]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

lots of fried and zero evidence.

Not only fried, but also spicy!
Of all the versions of the Boeing’s death, this is the most absurd, due to the unambiguity of the easy definition of the scenario for the destruction of the aircraft.
Internal showdown among the oligarchy. One oligarch set up another, in full!?
So what?

[badger1974]

and you don’t have a medical board either, tell me straight-I'm suffering- some part of the union will understand you

[ssergn]

Moreover - the elements of a beech rocket were never found. So - was there a rocket?
Something like this.

[badger1974]

in issued !!! and we have perfitrol with perfoplum outfit for DEGbicycles and PRODowns, the latter go with a bang in benderlogy, ordering, by pull, is not expensive,

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Rus2012

More than silver.

But do not tell me who you work with?

[badger1974]

with up to 8-00 8-00

[Kite]

Quote: Rus2012

It remains to attach the damaging elements.

Almost 300 corpses were collected. Really, there are no traces of wounds from shrapnel in any of them ?! You can walk through the fields for a long time and look for small pieces of iron, but any rural cop would have found enough facts for an investigation long ago. In large fragments of debris (which could be immediately removed from the field) with damage, you can definitely find fragments and use them to find out the type of missile, the cockpit was smashed, i.e. and in the bodies of the pilots there is something for pathologists to look for. The Ukrainians hid the record of dispatching instructions, so a duplicate in the speech samopitsa. How long does it take to decrypt? This is so that the pain and anger subside, the tragedy is forgotten. Who would like to obscure the investigation? Definitely not V. Putin! But, the barrack of deception has already reached its goal and he does not want to find out the reason at all. Almost 500 kilometers the plane flew deviating from the corridor, during which time the dispatcher gave him advice to take even more to the left? For almost 40 minutes of the flight, the dispatcher never once contacted the crew, are there no words on the recorder? The black barrack has done an absolutely dirty deed and is hiding the "ends"!

[atalef]

Quote: Kite

Almost 300 corpses were collected. Really, in no one there are traces of wounds from fragments ?! You can walk around the fields for a long time and look for small glands, but any rural cop would already have found enough facts for the investigation. In large fragments of wreckage (which could be immediately taken out of the field) with damage, you can definitely find fragments and find out the type of rocket from them, the cockpit was broken, i.e. and in the bodies of pilots there is something to look for pathologists

According to the rules of ICAO, the conclusions of the commission are announced only upon completion of the investigation. All
No premature conclusions. expert reports, deliberate leaks - will not be. Is it really not clear --- article fake - the more difficult it will be to disappoint

Quote: Kite

The black barrack has done an absolutely dirty deed and is hiding the "ends"!

ICAO investigates - Barack. Poroshenko, Putin-or else who can not influence in any way. There are a lot of representatives from different countries with completely different interests.
Malaysia

Wikipedia
Capital: Kuala Lumpur
Phone Code: +60
Currency: Malaysian Ringgit
Population: 29,24 million (2012) World Bank
Official Language: Malaysian
religion is Islam.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: atalef

ICAO investigates - Barack. Poroshenko, Putin-or else who can not influence in any way.

Well, that’s enough for you, if you want to influence that desire yet

[Oleg Sobol]

Quote: wks

I wonder who was the source of information for this article. Is this serious stuff or gossip?

http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/formerussr/ukraine/06-08-2014/1219978-boeing-0/
This article is on PravdeRu.
I posted a link to the source, if strong in Aglitsky, translate, discard the Old.

Here is the additional material: http://www.rubaltic.ru/blogpost/050082014_ubeditelnye_dokazatelsva/

[NEXT]

Another thing is interesting. Will the State Department and EU countries apologize to Russia for false accusations of a crime.

[Tatar 174]

Oh, you what! Earth will turn over even from such a surprise !!! From them apology? When and who of them apologized for something in such cases, I do not remember this.

[Cynic]

Quote: Next

Will the State Department and EU countries apologize to Russia for false accusations of a crime.

That the Buk SAM, that the Su-25 they are of Soviet origin, that is, in fact, Russian, which clearly indicates the fault of the Russian Federation and GDP personally! Not excluding the guilt of all other Russians!

[serega73]

They didn’t apologize for the downed Iranian Boeing ... And here, even more so, you should not wait for an apology.

[asar]

I would rather wait! I do not like hasty conclusions! But the Angles are silent! Yes, it seems, and ours "connected" to them! And also - silence! What kind of "get-togethers" ?!

[androy]

There it is written in English and white that the analysis was carried out by the US intelligence agencies, and they came to the conclusion that the plane was first damaged by an air-to-air missile and then finished off by gunfire. And it was featured in Global Research. References to Malaysians are really nowhere to be found. I think this is a deliberate attempt to drain information (even if it is reliable) to discredit Malay experts as "cisterns"

[iConst]

Quote: androy

There it is written in English and white that the analysis was carried out by the US intelligence agencies, and they came to the conclusion that the plane was first damaged by an air-to-air missile and then finished off by gunfire. And it was featured in Global Research. References to Malaysians are really nowhere to be found. I think this is a deliberate attempt to drain information (even if it is reliable) to discredit Malay experts as "cisterns"

The article is too neutral and comprehensive to look like a sink - but nothing can be ruled out.

At the same time, it is indicated:

This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a fighter ...

This confirms one of the (developing) theories put forward by the researchers at the site of the (crash) that the Boeing suffered destruction from an air-to-air missile and was finished off by a fighter’s gun with fire ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

it is bad when such unverified things are laid out in no information resources, "military review" begins to slide

[Eugeniy_369k]

Vladimir support +++!
Girkina-Strelkova lies enraged

Commander of the armed formations of the Donetsk People’s Republic Igor Girkin (Strelkov) called the ITAR-TASS message that the separatists in Shakhtersk managed to capture more than 700 Ukrainian soldiers as a fake. The corresponding statement is posted on Strelkov’s website “Information Corps”.
http://icorpus.ru/oproverzhenie-nedostovernoj-informacii-o-702-plennyx/
“The dissemination of unverified news and the indication of“ one of the commanders ”as the source of the militia does not look like the conscientious work of journalists,” the statement on the IK website said..

[Eugeniy_369k]

Yes, this is another fake.

[Serrrrgo]

It seems that in the original on the Malaysian website the article appeared at 12:00 at 16:00 has already been deleted. The New Straits Times, I don’t know how big and unwanted it is in Malaysia.
But while more and more like a desire to increase popularity. No names were mentioned, just speculation.
Therefore, I see no reason to take this information seriously.

[fzr1000]

What are these no names? Have you read the article? Bocherkiv from the OSCE, Khaisenko. Pay attention to the caption below the picture.

[Serrrrgo]

Was wrong. I will correct)
Prior to that, I read only interpretations of the article in our press, everything is smeared and clumsy there.
No one bothered to translate normally, even strange.

[Duyv]

Quote: serrrrgo

I don’t know how big and unwanted it is in Malaysia

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Straits_Times

The New Straits Times is a Malay daily in English. Founded in 1845 and is the oldest (but not the first) newspaper in Malaysia. [1] Until 1965, it was called The Straits Times. Until 2005, it was the only large-format English-language newspaper in Malaysia. Since April 18, 2005 it has been published in tabloid format. Editor-in-Chief - S.N. S. Harun. Published by New Straits Times Press, a member of the Media Prima media concern. The single circulation of the newspaper is 200 copies.

[Andrew 447]

Quote: Oleg Sobol

It would be nice to find the original article ... On Pravder, that I did not find it ...
Found the source: http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

But there is no such statement.

Here is everything in sufficient detail.http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961 This is the Malaysian press.

[Rostov]

Quote: Oleg Sobol

It would be nice to find the original article.

Not all news is published online, many by subscription. I couldn’t find the site right now, but yesterday in the comments on this news in RT, I posted a link to a screenshot of this article from the Malaysian media. In the evening I’ll try to find and drop it here.

[341712]

Quote: Oleg Sobol

But there is no such statement.

This is very interesting .... no matter how flake ..

[Duyv]

On the same site - refer to American experts http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925

[kolyhalovs]

Followed your link. And there at the very beginning, here:

INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile

This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off With cannon fire from a fighter that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.

Should you translate? Come on, google to help.

[thimble]

Quote: Oleg Sobol

But there is no such statement.

On the original source (http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961) found the following: "This confirms an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 mutilated an air-to-air missile and finished it off with cannon fire ..." (computer translation from English).
If I understood correctly, the Boeing was hit by an air-to-air (aviation) rocket and finished off from an air gun.

[atalef]

Quote: Oleg Sobol

It would be nice to find the original article ... On Pravder, that I did not find it ...
Found the source: http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

But there is no such statement.

and according to the news media (Russian RTR, NTV, etc.) - did it go somewhere? Or everyone thinks. that such sensational news is specially hidden and not conveyed to the Russian audience?

[FACKtoREAL]

Quote: atalef

and according to the news media (Russian RTR, NTV, etc.) - did it go somewhere? Or everyone thinks. that such sensational news is specially hidden and not conveyed to the Russian audience?

catch a glimpse of Vesti-24

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Oleg Sobol

But there is no such statement.

on the tape was. but how VERSION

[macarque]

Kuala Lumpur: US analysts concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by air-to-air missiles, and that the Ukrainian government had something to do with it.

This confirms the emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 distorted the air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire with a fighter who was obscured as she fell to the ground.

In a murderous report dated August 3, under the heading “flight 17 downing a shift scenario,” the Associated Press reporter Robert Parry said that “some US intelligence sources have concluded that the rebels and Russia are most likely not to blame and that it will appear the Ukrainian government forces were to blame. ”

Quote translation from your link. The translation is clumsy but quite straightforward. the truth is Miss Ssaki will probably again have her unreliable opinion but don’t give a damn about this sheep.

[vol46an]

http://www.pravda.ru/news/world/formerussr/ukraine/06-08-2014/1219978-boeing-0/?
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[Dialogue]

I also did not find it in the New Straits Times. We ask the author for a link to the source !!!

[23 region]

Quote: Oleg Sobol

It would be nice to find the original article ... On Pravder, that I did not find it ...
Found the source: http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

But there is no such statement.

Found in "Novye Izvestia" on August 6, 2014.
"The Malaysian Boeing-777, which crashed in Ukraine, was shot down by a missile and a cannon of a Su-25 fighter, one of the experts told the New Straits Times."
http://www.newizv.ru/lenta/2014-08-06/205897-malajzijskij-boeing-byl-sbit-istreb
itelem-su-25-eksperty.html

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

New Straits Times - Malay daily newspaper in English. Founded in 1845 and is the oldest (but not the first) newspaper in Malaysia. [1] Until 1965, it was called The Straits Times. Until 2005, it was the only large-format English-language newspaper in Malaysia. Since April 18, 2005 it has been published in tabloid format.
what is a tabloid you need to explain ?!
Tell me, will you seriously discuss the scandal from MK?

[Igool]

The Malaysian newspaper "New Straits Taims", published in English, published a statement by the Malaysian Minister of Defense denying that the plane was shot down by an air-to-air missile.

"Defense Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein today denied reports on social media that Malaysia Airlines (MAS) MH17 was shot down by fighters.

He said the intelligence and evidence gathered from the ill-fated plane's fragments clearly showed that he had been shot down by a rocket that was launched into the air from the ground. "

http://www.nst.com.my/node/21682

To the great regret, this article is not true, I did not find such statements in the press of Malaysia.

[Federicco]

It is necessary, but useless. Examples were

[awg75]

I really want to hope that this information is not a duck and it will reach the world community stupefied by US propaganda ... and then the USA will finally arrive KARACHUN, FORMERLY DESERVED AND MAXIMUM RIGID KARACHUN

[OPTR]

The fact is that the newspaper simply conveys different information, different opinions, not giving preference to one of them, not recognizing it as the ultimate truth. And that means that they can also be considered true.
There is another link in the same newspaper http://www.nst.com.my/node/21682
Flight MH17 unlikely shot down by fighter jets: Hishammuddin
It is dated 09.08.14/XNUMX/XNUMX and the article shows that there are different opinions of experts. Some talk about an air-to-air missile, others about an air-to-air missile.

[Момент]

They will clearly say that Malaysian experts were trained by the FSB and personally instructed them by the GDP.

[ermolai]

or Putin bought \ intimidated experts. or she agents kg
President Putin has a choice: try to solve the problem of eastern Ukraine through diplomatic and peaceful means and allow Ukrainians to make decisions themselves or continue the current course, in this case, causing long-term harm to the economy and their own people, ”Mr. Obama said.

Quote: Moment

They will clearly say that Malaysian experts were trained by the FSB and personally instructed them by the GDP.

[aleks 62]

....... That's when there will be an OFFICIAL conclusion of the commission, then we will write the claims Ukram !!!! ... And so everything is at the level of blah blah and half-fakes ...

[INVESTOR]

A sound turn of events.

[Baltika19691109]

and along with claims - and a pill, at the same time

[ADK57]

Not to Ukraine, but to Russia! Guilty by definition ....
American.

[supertiger21]

I hope Kiev liars get what they deserve!

[Hariva]

Nothing surprising will happen. Uhra will insist that, moreover, the Americans, that they do not have sufficient evidence. Who benefits from indignation, who do not ignore. So quietly and forget. (as an option )
By the way, those interested will certainly remember that the militia also has a functioning Drying Ridge.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Hariva

By the way, those interested will certainly remember that the militia also has a functioning Drying Ridge.

except that the BC for her, apart from the Nurses and the shells for the gun, isn’t there, unless the USA says that Putin and Shoigu personally delivered the P-60 to the militia ...

[Dmitry Toderes]

Quote: Hariva

Nothing surprising will happen. Uhra will insist that, moreover, the Americans, that they do not have sufficient evidence. Who benefits from indignation, who do not ignore. So quietly and forget. (as an option )
By the way, those interested will certainly remember that the militia also has a functioning Drying Ridge.

Yes, she had shot back a long time ago. And the fuel ran out - in recent times it is not visible and not heard about the use by the militia of this drying - they poked it somewhere.

[alicante11]

For one drying a dozen dill beeches, the pilot is also not a kamikaze.

[Hariva]

This is clear. I agree. But who wondered in what condition the BUK is among the militias? Are there any support vehicles, is there a radar? The merely not confirmed presence, for a certain circle of persons, was proof of guilt.

[Max_Bauder]

Well, now the junta does not wash off this dirt. Finita la comedy.

[subbtin.725]

An expert group from Malaysia concluded that the Boeing 777 airliner, which crashed in eastern Ukraine, was shot down by a Su-25 attack aircraft,

Well done Malaysians, a pretty shot in the direction of those who sponsor Maydanutyh. And the Dutch should be ashamed.

[Sid.74]

Quote: Max_Bauder

Well, now the junta does not wash off this dirt. Finita la comedy.

There were reports and photographs of damaged Boeing parts claiming that the Boeing had been shot with an air cannon! We’ll wait for official news reports!

And on the Maidan tires are burning again! And the tents are demolished!
I am outraged for what was the Maidan?
Why did the endless heroes of the Maidan die?
All to miyadanu, get thieves power !!!

[Federicco]

Psaki, Psaki ... I don't give a damn what Psaki says. Everyone already understood that she - a distracting factor from irrefutable facts - neighing and forgetting.

[Turik]

So it’s Putin stole a plane and shot down a Boeing, personally sitting at the helm.

Your J. Psaki.

[Sid.74]

Quote: Turik

So it’s Putin stole a plane and shot down a Boeing, personally sitting at the helm.

Putin again set fire to tires on the Maidan! The burden of our president is heavy, it is difficult to be omnipresent!

Kiev now ...

I hope the senevmerliks ​​are happy! Life has become better, life has become more fun!

[Fast]

The truth is - there is direct evidence - the liner was shot down deliberately by order!
If the pevashny burdocks could have messed up something, then the fighter, excuse me, knew well whom he had shot down. Condolences to the relatives of the victims. A monstrous crime! The action looks pointless, the question is why and for what!

[URAL72]

The Su-25 is not a fighter, so the Boeing was shot down either at the initiative of the pilot, or taking into account that the militia lit up its Su-25, or Kiev was generally dumber than Psaki. But this is only scribble. I don’t see the links - what kind of experts are the reports published, are ICAO and other structures involved in the investigation up to date? With patience, I look forward to continuing. If it is confirmed, then Kiev and the west, in the big ass, you won’t be all right for the pilot ...

[neri73-r]

you can’t write off the pilot ...

Now it’s necessary to save the pilot, well, the salvation of an ordinary Ukrainian is direct! Although, most likely, it was already dissolved in aqua regia.

[igor67]

Quote: URAL72

The Su-25 is not a fighter, so the Boeing was shot down either at the initiative of the pilot, or taking into account that the militia lit up its Su-25, or Kiev was generally dumber than Psaki. But this is only scribble. I don’t see the links - what kind of experts are the reports published, are ICAO and other structures involved in the investigation up to date? With patience, I look forward to continuing. If it is confirmed, then Kiev and the west, in the big ass, you won’t be all right for the pilot ...

If only someone stupidly looked at Wikipedia or talked with real pilots about the STURMOVIK su 25 GRACH account, how could he catch up with the Boeing at its speed, see it, and then bring it down? Plus, how to climb 10 thousand if the cockpit of the attack aircraft is not tight and not adapted for such heights? In the characteristics of the aircraft it is written that it can rise up to 10 thousand, only the kison pilot is provided. Another duck

[supertiger21]

Quote: igor67

Quote: URAL72

The Su-25 is not a fighter, so the Boeing was shot down either at the initiative of the pilot, or taking into account that the militia lit up its Su-25, or Kiev was generally dumber than Psaki. But this is only scribble. I don’t see the links - what kind of experts are the reports published, are ICAO and other structures involved in the investigation up to date? With patience, I look forward to continuing. If it is confirmed, then Kiev and the west, in the big ass, you won’t be all right for the pilot ...

If only someone stupidly looked at Wikipedia or talked with real pilots about the STURMOVIK su 25 GRACH account, how could he catch up with the Boeing at its speed, see it, and then bring it down? Plus, how to climb 10 thousand if the cockpit of the attack aircraft is not tight and not adapted for such heights? In the characteristics of the aircraft it is written that it can rise up to 10 thousand, only the kison pilot is provided. Another duck

You are wrong !
Su-25 is not inferior to Boeing in speed, and it is capable of developing transonic speed (more than 1000 km / h). Yes, and to bring down Boeing Sushka it is not necessary to go up to 10 km. I remember Vaf wrote that it’s enough to gain a height of 5-7 and launch a rocket P-60 to the upper hemisphere, thereby hitting the target, being a few km below it.

[andrey56]

And cannon hollowing from a long distance is unrealistic ...

[supertiger21]

Quote: andrey56

And cannon hollowing from a long distance is unrealistic ...

It is possible that after the defeat from the R-60, the Boeing’s speed and altitude decreased, but there he already caught up and approached the Su-25 by opening a salvo from the main gun which became cancerous for the Malaysian airliner.

[maxxdesign]

with guns, the plane was probably already finished, after the missiles hit the engines and he began to lose altitude and speed ... he became accessible for guns

[Evrepid]

In aviation, phrases are usually used: the front hemisphere and the rear hemisphere. The upper hemisphere did not hear such a term.

[FACKtoREAL]

the pilot has a mask
and with two P-60 \ 60M Su-25 can fly 12 m
the cabin is not tight, BUT ...
it is automatic. overpressure is maintained = 1 atm. + 0,03-0,05 atm
now "expert" explain to me ..
HOW can a pilot disease occur in SUCH conditions under such conditions?

[igor67]

Quote: FACKtoREAL

the pilot has a mask
and with two P-60 \ 60M Su-25 can fly 12 m
the cabin is not tight, BUT ...
it is automatic. overpressure is maintained = 1 atm. + 0,03-0,05 atm
now "expert" explain to me ..
HOW can a pilot disease occur in SUCH conditions under such conditions?

In front of and with the song, the only thing I can advise

[PalSanych]

why su-25? dill has other wings - Mig29 and Su27 .... identical missiles, but the ceiling is up to 15 km

[igor67]

Quote: PalSanych

why su-25? dill has other wings - Mig29 and Su27 .... identical missiles, but the ceiling is up to 15 km

Have you read the article? It's about su 25

[PalSanych]

and I’m saying that the hat is somehow not an article))

[iwakura]

the Malaysian original article SU-25 is not mentioned. there aircraft shot down a rocket, then finished off with a 30mm cannon.
about the Su-25 is already a gag that appeared on the expanses of Runet

[lelikas]

Quote: FACKtoREAL

HOW can a pilot disease occur in SUCH conditions under such conditions?

And suddenly, after landing, he immediately dives a hundred meters ....

[igor67]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: FACKtoREAL

HOW can a pilot disease occur in SUCH conditions under such conditions?

And suddenly, after landing, he immediately dives a hundred meters ....

SSS disease occurs with a rapid decrease in pressure (for example, when surfacing from a depth, leaving a caisson or pressure chamberss, or climbing high) In this case, gas previously dissolved in blood or tissues forms gas bubbles in the blood vessels. Typical symptoms include pain and / or neurological disorders.

[Andrey NM]

On the I-15 fighter on November 21, 1935, the famous test pilot Vladimir Kokkinaki climbed to a height of 14575 meters, only with an oxygen mask and in an open cockpit. And there was no box.
The caisson occurs when there is a sharp significant release of pressure, while nitrogen "boils" in the blood. If a person has been under pressure for a short time, then the caisson may not be there. As an example, by free surfacing in the rescue equipment of a submariner, one can get out from a depth of 100 meters, which is 10 atmospheres, and when using a parachute system, from 250 meters. In this case, a special braking parachute is used to slow the ascent. If there is a suspicion of a caisson and there is no pressure chamber "at hand", then the diver is recommended to put his feet up so that the bubbles remain at the top point. Pilots have less pressure drops. By the way, my grandfather flew the MiG-15 during the famous events of the 50s. When a bullet hit the canopy at a high altitude, his membrane burst, no box. Overgrown in 2 weeks without consequences.

[Dmitry Toderes]

Quote: igor67

Quote: URAL72

The Su-25 is not a fighter, so the Boeing was shot down either at the initiative of the pilot, or taking into account that the militia lit up its Su-25, or Kiev was generally dumber than Psaki. But this is only scribble. I don’t see the links - what kind of experts are the reports published, are ICAO and other structures involved in the investigation up to date? With patience, I look forward to continuing. If it is confirmed, then Kiev and the west, in the big ass, you won’t be all right for the pilot ...

If only someone stupidly looked at Wikipedia or talked with real pilots about the STURMOVIK su 25 GRACH account, how could he catch up with the Boeing at its speed, see it, and then bring it down? Plus, how to climb 10 thousand if the cockpit of the attack aircraft is not tight and not adapted for such heights? In the characteristics of the aircraft it is written that it can rise up to 10 thousand, only the kison pilot is provided. Another duck

That's right, but he has a R-60 rocket - it’s enough to bring down a Boeing without rising to a height of 10000 m. Su-25 can bring down a civilian aircraft, although this is not its main purpose.

[Serrrrgo]

Oh, as much as you can about these 10 km and Wikipedia, test pilots have already spoken out, and even the SU-25 designer himself. Everyone unanimously says that he normally flies at this altitude, is simply leaky, because the pilot will need an oxygen mask, and dress better)

[Albus]

Quote: igor67

If only someone stupidly looked at Wikipedia or talked with real pilots about STURMOVIKA account 25

So "ZNATOK" ... It is not easy to shoot down a passenger Boeing for the SU-25 attack aircraft, but very easy at any altitude and at any speed. Wikipedia will not write about such things.

[yushch]

But where did you get that it was a Su-25. Read carefully the speech of the representative of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. He said that at the same rate there was a military aircraft in characteristics similar to the characteristics of the Su-25. No radar will ever determine the brand of the aircraft. determined approximately based on the size, speed of the target.
Therefore, Mig could well fly there, the pilot of which, having no good skills, drove the plane without using all its characteristics. From here is an approximate definition of the brand of the aircraft.

[T-130]

According to the testimony of the pilots, the SU-25 is gaining altitude 11 thousand meters without problems if the pilot has an oxygen mask!

[Turkestan]

What do you think and an oxygen mask for which the pilot

[igor67]

Quote: Turkestan

What do you think and an oxygen mask for which the pilot

I’ve been repairing helicopters for 15 years and I’m still thinking why are there oxygen masks

[Pilat2009]

Quote: igor67

or chatted with real pilots

Already talked here. We are not worse than you

[Turkestan]

And if you ASSUME that the main goal was not a Boeing, but the president’s plane, which at that time was also in this zone, then a completely different KALINKOR looms.

[Botanologist]

Quote: URAL72

I don’t see the links - what kind of experts are the reports published, are ICAO and other structures involved in the investigation aware of

By this disaster, there are no facts at all, only emotions and threats. But this is not a reason to be silent at all, is it?

[FACKtoREAL]

Quote: portoc65

Well now what to do with this truth to everyone? Wait for the psaki statement?

dill (American) version will be approximately SUCH ...
Putin made his way to the military airfield of Dill ...
After all, everyone in the world knows that he is a scout!
Stole Ukrainian Su-25 (see photo!)
KILLED the Malaysian Boeing, and ...
stole Ukrainian Su-25 to Russia!

[Dezinto]

Are you kidding me like that ...? Psaka monitors !. ) Well you threw her an idea))


With all due respect .... just a standoff joke ......

Well, the truth is, FIG knows what to expect from the versions of the State Department .. they don’t compose the whole world on their ears and lay ...!

[gorku68]

stole Ukrainian Su-25 to Russia!

Nope. Returned back! Evidence after all!

[maxxdesign]

and prints from the helm erased a handkerchief))))

[Finches]

Psaki will say that the Malaysian experts are Putin’s mercenaries and one should wait for the real conclusions of the most expert commission in England!

I would not be in a hurry to rejoice! We need to wait for official statements at the government level and notes to Ukraine!
Although I’m very interested in what Poroshenko will blather, or rather, what answer has already been scribbled in Langley’s labyrinths for this case?

[Kolorad]

Psaki will say one-Boeing accidentally ran into a missile flying by.

[Bort radist]

Quote: KOLORAD

Psaki will say one-Boeing accidentally ran into a missile flying by.

And fell on an anti-tank mine.

[the polar]

Quote: portoc65

Well now what to do with this truth to everyone? Wait for the psaki statement?

You must first wait for the official statement of the expert group.
Then declare the "parashin skidnyak" a terrorist organization carrying out terrorism and genocide at the government level.
And then, depending on the "winding party line" of the Russian government,
or to bring down terrorists by military means and organize democratic elections of people's power in Ukraine,
or continue to appease the "partners" and swallow sanctions.

[avant-garde]

Quote: portoc65

Wait for the psaki statement?

they already said everything !!!

[granula1010]

Psaka will declare that they were Russian experts (from reliable VKontakte sources), so the conclusion is not true.

[Giant thought]

Well, Ukraine has sailed, as it will now make excuses, and what a fool Psaki will now break.

[moody fin]

you see ... the British will prove that the Russians with their beech shot down ... and the Americans will prove that the militias with the beech that the Russians gave ... then there will be tyagamotine ... like I believe I don’t believe the truth is not true ... but in the end they quietly merge peacefully and they will bury this topic ... because it failed ...

[godun]

I agree with you, the culprit of the villainy has been appointed, the versions have been announced and all newly discovered facts will be adjusted to fit these versions, the West and the United States need only such "truth", the rest will be denied as unnecessary.

[1812 1945]

Quote: portoc65

Well now what to do with this truth to everyone? Wait for the psaki statement?

Sounded what was to be expected. This was implied in politically restrained statements by the Russian Defense Ministry. Now, the loudest, most categorical accusations of the United States, and the Ukrainian junta in a crime against Humanity, against the World Order established to preserve the Civilization of People on planet Earth should follow in the UN Security Council!

[1812 1945]

And more - to the above: the nonsense about the "flying cemetery" is good for a pilot - performer of SU 25 and for home-grown conspiracy theorists. In the WTC on 11.09.2001, too, the corpses were "settled" in the offices? There is nothing for pindo ... this is nothing sacred! Except money.

[beefrost]

So PsTsaki somewhere 10-12.08: "Our expert group found out that the plane was shot down by a Russian Su-25. As a proof, here is a satellite photo showing an empty place where this plane is based. As you yourself understand, if it is not at the airfield so he shot down a Boeing .... "

[Svetlana]

Psaka will say that she saw on YouTube how a Russian pilot similar to Putin flew to SU-25.

[Cormorants]

A hundred pounds of Ukrainians will now remember that the militia have a "Rook", and say that they shot down!

[Hammer]

Quote: portoc65

Well now what to do with this truth to everyone? Wait for the psaki statement?

The most interesting thing now is whether the Malaysian authorities will be able to insist on their point of view. or tomorrow, under the pressure of mattress makers, they will sing about "Buk" militia ...
Washington is now Kuala Lumpur, the eggs in the doorframe will begin to pinch, so that they abandon their words ...

[Cadet787]

Quote: portoc65

portoc65 (5) Today, 11:06
Well now what to do with this truth to everyone? Wait for the psaki statement?

No, not waiting, but acting until the Ukrofascists drowned the whole of New Russia in their blood, not a single fascist will lay down his arms voluntarily until he is forced, a good fascist, a dead fascist.

[regul10108]

Psaki will put everything in its place: Putin personally made holes in the Boeing and was helped by the FSB, the GRU and the militia!

[qwe11]

Wang, she will say that the plane belonged to the Russian Air Force

[GSH-18]

I wrote about this in comments 10 days ago. The nature and location of the damage to the debris indicate this directly. Damage is local (which is typical for small-sized air defense missiles) in the cockpit area. There are round-shaped openings characteristic of an air gun.
Conclusion: The destruction of "777" was not accidental. Since it is impossible to accidentally hit the same target with both a rocket and a gun. The plane was shot down on purpose !!!
Question: WHY ??? Ukradubolomy hoped to bring down Board №1 of the Russian Federation ???
In this case, this is an extremely serious incident, akin to a declaration of war, requiring an adequate military response from the Russian Federation!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: GSH-18

Question: WHY ???

for which it’s understandable, there was an attempt to recognize the militia as a terrorist organization with all that it implies, but without that we will launder (if we wash ourselves off)

Quote: GSH-18

Ukradubolomy hoped to bring down Board №1 of the Russian Federation ???

with a stretch, only if you pull the Russian Federation into the war, but honestly it is unlikely

[GSH-18]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: GSH-18
Ukradubolomy hoped to bring down Board №1 of the Russian Federation ???

with a stretch, only if you pull the Russian Federation into the war, but honestly it is unlikely

This version has a place to be. The coloring of the Boeing of Malaysian lines from a distance is very similar to the coloring of board number 1 of the Russian Federation. The Su-25 pilot reported what he saw, the dispatcher gave the command to attack. After all, in the Ukrainian head informational Russian porridge!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: GSH-18

The coloring of the Boeing of Malaysian lines from a distance is very similar to the coloring of board number 1 of the Russian Federation

there is a very significant difference - the number of engines

[Boa kaa]

Quote: GSH-18

Conclusion: The destruction of "777" was not an accident ... The plane was shot down on purpose !!!

It was a planned action.
A Buk battalion is being advanced and deployed in the area. RTU is performed within 3 days. On day "X" dispatchers change the route, altitude, speed of the Boeing, introducing it into the attack zone of the SU-25. Guidance, apparently, was on the Boeing's wiring, the pilot of Sushki only listened and went to the launch point of the R-60. Having identified the target visually, from the lower hemisphere, he grabbed it and launched the R-60 with IR gsn, which allows the rocket to fly directly into the engine nozzle. Further - the most interesting: the "777" aerodynamic quality = 17 (ie from 10 km it can glide 170 km before hitting the ground). The pilots in the firm are all former warriors, on one engine they pulled the car into an emergency. This could not be allowed! Next, an attack on the cockpit from the General Staff. The oncoming stream simply tore the Boeing apart.
Therefore, eyewitnesses saw 2 aircraft: one burning and falling apart, and the second - DRYING. If the P-60 had thrown the Boeing into a tailspin, it would not have been necessary to finish off (put a signature), and there would be no sign of destruction: the turbine dvigla fell apart another 10 km, go find its remains! But no luck! And so that the board did not fall on Russian territory or the rebels, he had to finish. Who is behind this? USERS and KALO Moysha. It could be his doing. Profitable from all sides. For a long time he does not obey the piglet. And finding a performer for big dibs is not a problem. Therefore, another character may appear in the foreground.
The picture would have been clarified by the records of negotiations between the dispatcher and the board, pictures from the Amerovsky’s crew ... But this will not happen.
Therefore, you should wait for the conclusions of the commission. IMHO.

[xenod55]

Guys, don't you know the dog? Now she and other talking heads of the State Department and the EU will start yelling that the SU-25 was either Russian or militia. Or in another way: 1. Putin "bought" the Malaysians. 2. Malaysia is one of the republics of Russia and, accordingly, you cannot trust them, and so on and in the same spirit.

[Skif83]

In place of the GDP and Lavrov, it would be worth asking the question of Obama and Kerry publicly, it was they already screaming - Russia is to blame.
And so it is necessary to ask the whole world - so who is to blame?

[Cadet787]

Please distribute:

The Minister of Defense of the Donetsk People’s Republic Igor Strelkov spoke about the great material difficulties of the militia and called on people to help Russian soldiers.

On paying regular salaries to militia fighters. “I do not have that kind of money !!! And there never was. They were promised, but never received. In order to pay a salary of 20 thousand rubles for July, those who came to services at least at the beginning of the month require approximately 3 million “standard units”. And where will I get them from? The financial system of the DPR “died without being born”, and the militia does not print money ...
But another thing is worse - in 2 weeks I will have nothing to feed the soldiers of our Slavic brigade with.
I can only "bow at the feet" of those volunteers who fight for free, without cigarettes, without normal shoes, often - even without uniforms, in conditions of shortage of everything - from cartridges to mugs and spoons ... And once again turn to those who PROMISED HELP : HELP !!!!! AT LEAST MONEY !!! NOT FOR ME!!! RUSSIAN SOLDIERS !!!! "

Source: http://rusvesna.su/news/1407267844

[atalef]

Quote: Cadet787

But another thing is worse - in 2 weeks I will have nothing to feed the soldiers of our Slavic brigade with.
I can only "bow at the feet" of those volunteers who fight for free, without cigarettes, without normal shoes, often - even without uniforms, in conditions of shortage of everything - from cartridges to mugs and spoons

Is it a stuffing or is it true?
What in two cities with millionaires does not pick up food, mugs, spoons and cigarettes, for 15 tons of militias?
The locals no longer help? Then who are we fighting for?

[atalef]

Quote: portoc65

Well now what to do with this truth to everyone? Wait for the psaki statement?

Article 100% fake and people should not be led into it, an international commission works (under the auspices of ICAO) It is forbidden to publish any preliminary conclusions or opinions, only the conclusions of the commission at the end of the investigation, no expert, and even more so the delegation will not violate these rules, therefore sorry, I do not believe, moreover, no one cites the source

[Alexan]

So far it is not official, almost behind the scenes, because they did not report on TV. The "verdict" in this case will not be put in Malaysia, but, as always, the Anglo-Saxons, the accursed tribe, which, like metastases, infected the whole world with venality and idiocy. He will say: "from today on, black will be white" And all our "concerns, indignations" will be perceived by the "world community" by now! Only tanks, bombs and we with machine guns are the argument of the TRUTH, which will be accepted.

[atalef]

Quote: Alexan

While this is not official, almost behind the scenes, because they didn’t say on TV

of course and only to Ravda Ru - the whole truth is known

Quote: Alexan

The verdict "in this case will not be put in Malaysia, but, as always, the Anglo-Saxons, the cursed tribe, which, like metastases, infected the whole world with venality and idiocy

In general, the report will be made by ICAO, then Holland and Malaysia (there are no Anglo-Saxons either)

Quote: Alexan

only tanks, bombs and we with machine guns are an argument of the TRUTH, which will be accepted.

No, there is also True Ru.

[Alexan]

Quote: atalef

No, there is also True Ru.

Ehidno. I also want to believe in the objectivity of ICAO, but the West can shut its mouths. What is permitted to Israel, it is possible and Poroshenko. I understand the problems of Palestine, or rather - from her problems. The world condemns the actions of the Israeli army, but condones the Ukrainian. But they condemn somehow not sincerely ...

[Cynic]

Quote: Alexan

The world condemns the actions of the Israeli army, but condones the Ukrainian.

I have a hunch, curtailing the operation. Tsakhal portends the curtailment of the ATO.
Neither of them wants personal attention to their actions.

[Cynic]

Quote: atalef

No, there is also True Ru.

I don’t understand one thing, that you so zealously refute what is stated in the article? After all, it is absolutely clear to everyone that, be it the truth in the last resort, the version set out in the commission’s conclusion will be considered the cause of the Boeing’s death, even if the meteor shower is indicated there!

[1goose3]

This cannot be true, due to the lack of coordination with Psaki.

[Russian1974]

Fascist America will lie again We Russians didn’t stop such people and now we will not be silent

[vladstro]

Yes, the psaki will say with full confidence that she personally read in social networks, the plane was Russian.

[Andrei K.]

I read an interesting article about Boeing. http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1412279/ I do not know how true this is. Zhirinovsky in his interview mentioned that a downed Boeing is a missing Malaysian Boeing a few months earlier. Where the truth is, hell knows.

[BYV]

And what will Comrade Psaki say to this?

[Denis]

Quote: BYV

And what will Comrade Psaki say to this?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: BYV

And what will Comrade Psaki say to this?

She will say something like this: “we have no sufficient reason not to trust our Ukrainian friends, because the social network showed footage of how Russia conducted exercises near Sakhalin. Accordingly, bananas grow better with abundant watering and, as it seems to me, everything indicates Putin's interest But this is classified information from certain sources, so I'll go check it out in the closet. "

[demon1978]

Vladimirets

+++ Nifiga !!! Th in her BAMAZHA LOOKED ??? !!!!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: demon1978

what did she look at in BAMAZHA ??? !!!!

No, I’m writing her texts.

[fif21]

Quote: Vladimirets

No, I’m writing her texts.

You are our genius.

[demon1978]

Vladimirimets Yesterday, 11:22 ↑
Quote: demon1978
what did she look at in BAMAZHA ??? !!!!
No, I’m writing her texts.

++++ Cool !!! The whole Mad House to expose THESE REASONS IS ORDER: twist the hole-HOMELAND WILL NOT FORGET YOU !!!!!

[Denis]

Quote: BYV

And what will Comrade Psaki say to this?

[RUSOIVAN]

Well now what Parashenko associates will say?

[jaguar]

What now will the UN and the Yankees sing ?????

[Air Force Captain]

Quote: RUSOIVAN

Well now what Parashenko associates will say?

These, as always, will otmazyvatsya, and the Nazi states to cover them.

[askort154]

RUSOIVAN ..... well now what Parashenko associates will say?

He will say what the US State Department will write to him. Psaki and Horf will "comment", and the entire "democratic" West, of course, will wake up to believe them. This is the current CE LA VI.

[Bombardier]

I’m afraid these experts will disappear, and those who reappear will tell a tale known in Washington.

[portoc65]

They will say that it is unknown whose drying it is ... again, everyone will dump us.

[supertiger21]

Now the State Department will come up with a new myth, already about the Su-25 squadrons that are in service with the rebels of the DPR and LPR.

[Klim2011]

Link to the source please. I don’t want to hurt Pravda ru with anything, but still ...

[Andskobka]

Asked for a link, I found it:

Originator:
http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

What brought to him:
http://www.newizv.ru/lenta/2014-08-06/205897-malajzijskij-boeing-byl-sbit-istreb
itelem-su-25-eksperty.html

[Klim2011]

ATP, found. The Malaysian newspaper is serious, but it received information from an anonymous source. Officially, this cannot be regarded as the conclusions of the commission. But the direction of the statement pleases

[Lunic]

..from Putin?

[zzz]

What a twist!!!! There will still be interesting things ahead! We are waiting for the reaction of the West! We are waiting ... with

[Andskobka]

Now we need to blow everywhere and everywhere, in all the Internet and the media in large numbers, in order to show the truth to the whole world. For while the investigation was ongoing, the entire world community blamed Russia. And now they will keep silent the truth.

[goose]

Quote: portoc65

Well now what to do with this truth to everyone? Wait for the psaki statement?

It is necessary to track mortality among current Ukrainian pilots

[Dniester]

"In the opinion of ....." please throw the link !!! And then, like the Dill, the article is designed for gullible readers! More texture, not the opinions and doubts of journalists!

[Wolka]

it is this terrible truth that dill and their Yankees are trying to hide ...

[WAN]

and you, Comrade Parashenko, is waiting ..........

[mig31]

It remains to listen to the inversion of the State Department, in defense of his junta ...

[dzau]

Bomb.

Psaki’s second boot is lost.

[vell.65mail.ru]

Zadornov is a new topic for the transfer of Psaki.

[nahalenok911]

Quote: dzau

Psaki’s second boot is lost.

Ski lather and will clarify.

[British]

If anyone on this forum has anything to do with books in print business? Publish the book "Psakisms of Our Time"

[iConst]

Duck! I do not believe! Everything is too chocolate to be true.

[JIaIIoTb]

Something tells me that Psaki will not even read this conclusion, but will continue the mantra: "Russia is to blame for everything."

[iConst]

Like so -
Psaka: “Pro-Russian separatists hijacked a Ukrainian Air Force plane, insidiously shot down a Malaysian Boeing and also returned the attack aircraft to the air base.

[dzau]

And bribed Malaysian experts! Sweets Poroshenki.

[MilesAth]

No one doubted that! Least of all doubts were those who from the first days shouted to the whole world that Russia was to blame, because they were the organizers of this state of emergency

[el.krokodil]

the truth of the one who shot down the Boeing is .. but it is disadvantageous to anyone except RUSSIA .. therefore, it will be buried .. and it will pop up in about - ten years ..

[solovald]

Isn't it a duck? Nowhere else in serious media has this news appeared.

[Angara]

And once again, PSACI will say: it was a Russian SU-25!

[Prussian]

Valorous mortar crew, the Ukrainian army, firing at pre-calibrated targets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2OOHDV_y3w

[ale-x]

"He has grenades of the wrong system" (C) ..

[dzau]

Quote: PRUSSAC

Valorous mortar crew, the Ukrainian army, firing at pre-calibrated targets. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2OOHDV_y3w

Bucks in the tit.

[cerbuk6155]

And the fact that he was shot down by the Ukrainian junta on the advice of the United States, I think no one doubted. This did not happen by chance; a whole operation was developed.

[Yellow white]

Zamut .... Ebola for example, they will find than.

[Pusher]

certainly it will be so ...

[kay4yk]

for sure. for US citizens - the culprits are appointed.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Black and White

Zamut .... Ebola for example, they will find than.

Unlikely! There is another side interested in the truth here - Malaysia. In addition, material evidence is an extremely stubborn thing (fragments of casing with holes from striking elements, records of "black boxes"). In addition, the Russian Federation will make efforts to ensure that the whole world knows the truth. And the states can't do anything about it

[shaman-25rus]

To that, everything went. The truth will come up anyway.

[2224460]

An expert group from Malaysia concluded that the Boeing-777 airliner that fell in the east of Ukraine was shot down by the Su-25 attack aircraft, reports

It sounds like a sentence to some junta and the leader of her little piglet. It’s nice to realize that not everyone went on about the hysterical Mattress.

[sem-yak]

it was worth correctly responding to the sanctions and the same Malaysian experts were able to formulate and articulate the true reasons!

[Angara]

I’m not a magician:
"The head of the US Defense Intelligence Agency Michael Flynn said that Internet reports played a decisive role in the investigation of the causes of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777 in the Donetsk region of Ukraine, RIA Novosti reports, citing The Wall Street Journal." The first data on who shot him down how he was hit, when and where he was hit - it was all sourced from social media, ”Flynn said.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Angara

I’m not a magician:
"The head of the intelligence department of the US Department of Defense Michael Flynn said that the decisive role in the investigation of the causes of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777 in the Donetsk region of Ukraine was played by reports on the Internet, RIA Novosti reports, citing The Wall Street Journal." The first data on who shot him down how he was hit, when and where he was hit - it was all sourced from social media, ”Flynn said. wassat

Dissolve this department, give in return to this oak-tree Flynn a computer with registration in social networks - let it get secret data! You can save a bunch of dough.

[Sergius1977]

Campaign is a duck. Or the source in the studio!

[although]

Class! Can anyone have a link to the source? it is necessary to show the familiar liberals, otherwise they do not trust the topvar, people are bad.

[S_Baykala]

Quote: dzau

Bomb.

Psaki’s second boot is lost.

After this, a rope sticking out from under the skirt is possible.

[patriot_serg]

The video shows that a whole .35 kg was falling. Beech warhead, plus 35 kg. would have carried it to 10000m.
The BEECH is guided along the contour, and not along the thermal trace. The right engine (not torn off) is lit in the video.
air-to-air missiles 3 kg.

[Vitalka]

Is this a Boeing? Something is small.

[Evrepid]

Taken from FIG knows what distance.
I often take pictures on Max, there are about 300-400 meters, and here are a dozen kilometers.
Very similar to the Boeing 777 and the coloring, too (But here it is difficult to say the quality is bad)
30 sec video, clearly visible dark belly, two motors, one of which is blazing.
Judging by how it falls, the pilots are trying to do something, to reach somewhere, but it is already starting to twist.

[Bombardier]

Hrenase! why didn’t the video immediately surf the internet? Is this this Boeing?

[dzau]

Quote: Bombardier

Hrenase! why didn’t the video immediately surf the internet? Is this this Boeing?

This is the fall of the AN-26, shot down over Slavyansk on June 7, 2014.

[Volxov]

This is not a Boeing - An-32 most likely, but may be 26, 24.

[ultra]

In my opinion, this is a video of a Ukrainian intelligence officer shot down over Slavyansk.

[n0isy]

This is not a Boeing. these frames were before him.

[patriot_serg]

It seems you are right, you signed it on YouTube. It’s all foggy. It seems that they’ll bury the truth. All the same, I believe that our warriors still have aces.

[meronem]

This is the fall of the AN-26, shot down with the help of MANPADS over Slavyansk on June 7, 2014.
Why are you publishing dubious material?
VO is not "censor.net", we do not need invented sensations here.

[Mountain shooter]

Let's wait. Painfully serious conclusions are obtained. Let there be an official statement, etc.
Such "trump cards" are not thrown through the yellow press.

[bmv04636]

We are waiting for a refutation from Opsaki, they say our media did not understand it and they all misinterpreted

[varela]

Many where it has already been re-posted and sung.
Is it possible at least one confirmation not from Russia?
Link without ".ru"?
If anything, then I am also sure that the blame for the disaster is entirely on the dill junta, but such statements require concrete confirmation!
Where is at least one source about the "opinion of Malaysian experts"?

[zeleznijdorojnik]

Catch: http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

[siberalt]

One of the first statements about the downed Boeing was that amerovsky satellite detected the launch of a surface-to-air missile. There is no way without the "Buk". Otherwise, there was no way to blame the militia. And the photo of Buk with the missing rocket flew around the world. Our team has detected the work of the "Dome". It turns out that there was a start-up, and "Drying" was going to hedge the plan. And this is already a strong and not the only puncture of the Pi * Ndos strategists in a particular case.

[cardan]

It seems to me at some regular conference at Psaki, after Mat’s next questions smoke will blow from the head, it will spin off with a roar, and the journalists will see wires, tubes, connectors, splashing green or blue liquid protruding from a calmly standing and gesturing body ... Then we laugh!

[Vitalka]

first, an air-to-air missile was launched on a passenger airliner, and then it was "finished off" by fire from a 30-mm gun

Who would doubt that. Only the Americans and their lackeys do not give a damn about these conclusions. They will yell about Russia.
But they have a little problem - tiny China. Two downed Malaysian Boeing (the first one to give a drink, the work of American hands, but without witnesses and compromising materials) - this is a slap in the face to the Chinese. Malaysia for them is Belarus for us. They, their relatives, do what they want (Old Man even helps the Ruin somehow), but China will not give offense to Malaysia.

[orthodox]

What the Malaysians have announced in Russia have known since July 17.
Just besides Russia and now here is poor Malaysia, the truth is that nobody needs a damn.
After a couple of days, this statement will be poured with slops, veiled and made up.

[smoker]

This version refutes the statements of Kiev that the Buk installation shot down the plane.

I would add that it refutes the statements of not only Kiev. What Kiev is saying carries practically no semantic meaning - the impression is that these "statements" are mostly made from another continent, and Kiev acts as such a kind of "mouthpiece".

In general, I’ve been reading the statements of Kiev lately the other way around:
armistice declared = strike unexpectedly
we will provide experts access to the fall zone = we will prevent this in every way
volunteers in the army = recruited people under pain of prison / death
etc., because examples of the mass.

[VSZMK]

They have been talking about this for a long time, but there was no official confirmation.

[andrei332809]

what's this? Are Malaysians Afraid of Striped Democratizers? the "world community" will now explain to them what can be voiced and what not

[APS]

Class! It’s time to order a parasion cross!

[Bazilevs81]

And here is what Yuri Mukhin writes on his blog "THIS IS NOT A BOEING OF MN 17 FLIGHT" http://www.ymuhin.ru/node/1108/eto-ne-boing-reisa-mn-17

[Federal]

A low bow to the militias that kept the Boeing fall territory from the banderlogs did not allow them to take control. Truth triumphed.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Let's wait for official confirmation. "True ru" is wonderful, but still, but still ... I don't dream of anything now so much as that what was said in the article would correspond to reality.

[Dark sea]

Well found out. And what shall we do now? Let us wag our finger and say: Ah ah ah, how not good!
Will Kuev be declared terrorists? Will we introduce troops? Will we send the equipment to Novorosia? Introduce sanctions against the United States? What are we going to do with this truth? Just say: And we told you that we are not byak! And we continue to live with the sanctions of the West.

[Ararat]

All this is good that Malaysia acknowledged the fact that the Boeing was shot down by the dill of the Air Force Su 25, but the United States will remain in its opinion and members of NATO, it really is not a decree.

[vigor1288]

Remember the movie "swap places" - "We founded this exchange!", And so it will be here. We founded NATO.

[novel68rus]

Yes, no one will pay attention to this and will not .. we have already been appointed guilty of everything. they will shut up in a quiet and everything .. it is interesting that he who shot and who gave the order to shoot at a civilian plane clearly saw him .. what were their goals, too, known .. until when did this arrogance get away with it? Why can they bring down a civilian liner with impunity?

[Veteran of the Red Army]

An expert group from Malaysia concluded that the Boeing 777 airliner, which crashed in eastern Ukraine, was shot down by a Su-25 attack aircraft

http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/413/aovp513.jpg

[Egoza]

the oven is preheated, the pan is ready, the coals under the spit are hot ... I hope the pig with the rabbit comes out with a delicious brown crust =) only do not stuff the Polish apples =)

[Praetorian]

Из всех версий эта была самой нереальной. Странно.

[Altona]

Quote: Praetorian

Из всех версий эта была самой нереальной. Странно.

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Почему странно? Именно эта версия и была самой правдоподобной...Ракета "Бука" весьма мощная в сравнении с ракетой Р-60 и перед заходом на цель делает "горку", чтобы возвысится над целью и разрывается над воздушным судном, накрывая его приличным "зонтиком" из шрапнели, то есть весь фюзеляж был бы ситом, причем в верхней части, включая хвостовое оперение, которое практически сохранилось в девственном состоянии и не утратило бортовой номер, что не характерно для поражения столь мощной ракетой...Наоборот, на снимках мы видим, хорошо видим двигатели с деформированными лопастями-результат попадания небольшой ракеты с тепловым наведением. И видим переднюю часть фюзеляжа, прошитую очередью авиационной пушки, причем в подбрюшье фюзеляжа...Какие еще доказательства нужны? Это много раз описывалось военными экспертами на "Вестях-24", просто они из политкорректности добавляли словечками "возможно, вероятно" туманности, чтобы никого заранее не обвинять...

[Don barbosa]

Вы не упомянули о том, что никто не видел след от ракеты "Бука".

[Altona]

Quote: Don Barbosa

Вы не упомянули о том, что никто не видел след от ракеты "Бука".

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Ну это вообще отдельная песня, это вы уже на показания очевидцев ссылаетесь, которые видели вынырнувший из облаков военный самолет, или похожий на военный, уходивший в сторону украинских позиций...И да, никто не видел мощного инверсионного следа от ракеты "Бука" и характерного шума, который сопровождал бы ракету и который можно было бы услышать на много километров в округе, потому что звуковое давление наверняка бы было свыше 120дБ...

[Praetorian]

Не была она правдоподобной никогда. Су25, теоретически, мог и подняться повыше к боингу, и даже выпустить ракеты по нему. Но их боевая часть составляет ~3 кг., если я не путаю ничего. Способны ли 3-6 кг., попав в двигатель боинга, в мгновение заставить замолчать экипаж на записи черных ящиков и эфире? Думаю, нет. А произошло именно так. Уже давно разобрали фотографии передней левой части кабины пилотов, которая сплошь покрыта пробоинами от шрапнели. Если р60 наводится на двигатель, то как объяснить пробоины около кабины пилотов? Объясняется именно ракетой из бука, которая взорвалась над самолетом слева от пилотов, которые не успели даже среагировать и передать что-то в эфир. А теперь представьте, сколько времени было бы у них при атаке ракетами по двигателям и дальнейшем обстреле из авиапушки. При чем делалось это все на предельных скоростях (~950 км/ч) на высоте в 10 тысяч метров. Если это делалось на су 25, то это был ас, который все проделал на пределе совершенства. Я в это не верю. Скорее уж миг 29 сбил, чем су 25, но я, вообще, ставлю под большое сомнение атаку с воздуха.

[srelock]

Quote: Praetorian

Из всех версий эта была самой нереальной. Странно.

Согласен. Скорее всего су-25 (предположительно) выполнял задачи идентификации борта и контроль результатов стрельбы.
Не исключено, что что-то пошло не так как задумывали. Заявление Малазийцев, на мой взгляд, преждевременно.

Думаю, что на сегодняшний день, правда о боинге не нужна уже ни кому и скорее всего, вопрос "Кто сбил боинг над Украиной?" займёт достойное место в мировой конспирологии... рядышком с "Кто убил Кеннеди?".

[Bosk]

А почему собственно нет... в том же самом Вьетнаме не Асы а вполне обыкновенные лётчики на истребителях Миг-15 и Миг-17 сбивали скоростные "Фантомы" и если я не ошибаюсь то практически единственный плюс который они имели-они в большинстве случаев заранее знали маршрут полёта... Возможно это грубое сравнение...просто вспомнилось-подумалось.

[Matrosov]

Quote: solovald

Isn't it a duck? Nowhere else in serious media has this news appeared.

Во во, поддерживаю вопрос. А где подтверждение и распространение данной информации банально в Яндексе по средством выведения в новости? Ни одной заметки ни в одном издании, даже на сайте Правда.ру не нашел на титульной странице, а ведь новость тянет на сенсацию! К тому же банально стоит посмотреть ЛТХ Су-25, ну не летает он на высоте 10 тысяч метров, тем более с вооружением, и тем более какое такое добивание из пушки?!? что за бред? Вы хоть представляете сколько эмоций и слов было бы сказано в эфире если бы пилоты Боинга пережили пуск ракеты "борт-борт" и при этом самолет не просто пережил этот пуск, а его еще и "добивать" пришлось, да не второй ракетой(лимит что ли был?) а из пушки. Отверстия на фюзеляже самолета которые некоторые наблюдатели приняли за "крупнокалиберный пулемет", а СМИ с удовольствием подхватили, скорее всего были отверстиями от поражающих элементов ракеты ПВО. Опять таки надо смотреть ГДЕ эти отверстия, в каком количестве, и под каким углом ракета должна была подойти к самолету чтоб именно так поразить его. А тут "малазийские эксперты". В общем утка господа. Расслабьтесь, Псаки еще и поглумится на тему "доверчивости и запропагндированности Российских СМИ"

[Altona]

Quote: Matrosov

К тому же банально стоит посмотреть ЛТХ Су-25, ну не летает он на высоте 10 тысяч метров, тем более с вооружением, и тем более какое такое добивание из пушки?!? что за бред?

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ЛТХ самолета пишут люди, и пишут их не для нас с вами, а для эксплуататоров техники...Почему говорю? Потому что сам пишу технические характеристики к спецтехнике...Су-25 ограничен потолком в 7000 м по "медицинским" показаниям", в виду негерметичности кабины, потому что будет с человеком, испытывающим кислородное голодание сами знаете, для начала банально уснет...А с кислородным снаряжением для пилота потолок самолета Су-25 не ограничен...Это тоже на "Вестях" темной ночкой рассказывали военные...

[Altona]

Quote: Matrosov

Отверстия на фюзеляже самолета которые некоторые наблюдатели приняли за "крупнокалиберный пулемет",

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А чем вы их объясните? Бластером межзвездного космолета пришельцев?

[Praetorian]

Летать то не летет, но подняться может на весьма близкое расстояние к боингу. На 8 тысяч точно поднимется с ракетами, чей оптимальный радиус применения 5 км, а максимальный ~12. Но это все равно не делает версию с су25 правдоподобной.

[Altona]

Quote: Praetorian

На 8 тысяч точно поднимется с ракетами, чей оптимальный радиус применения 5 км, а максимальный ~12. Но это все равно не делает версию с су25 правдоподобной.

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Версия с ЗРК "Бук" не менее фантастична, прежде всего с радиолокационным обеспечением этого действа и квалификацией украинских операторов (инверсионный след и звук в 120 дБ реактивного двигателя ракеты остался вне осязания, слуха и зрения очевидцев, и за кадром вообще)...И вообще, в политическом плане версия с "штурмовиком-истребителем" нам вполне выгодна и идеально вписывается в показания объективного контроля. Тем более, что подтверждена она независимыми экспертами. А нашу с вами полемику могут вычленить и представить на брифинг Псаки. Вы об этом не думаете?

[O. Bender]

В выводах малайзицев можно не смневаться. Все и так было ясно. Вопрос в том как это повернут американцы и хунтята. Скорее всего парасюка американцы сольют .Смена декораций и статистов. Ждем очередную часть марлезонского бал е....тьху цирка.

[Praetorian]

Можно сомневаться в источнике, предоставившем выводы малазийцев.

[Dejavu]

Джен Псаки - СУ25 был российским и сбил боинг, предварительно нарушив украинскую границу.

Шучу конечно, но рискну предположить, что именно так она и ответит. :)))

[Stalnov I.P.]

ЁБАМА, ПИ-И-И-саки, КЕРРИ и прочее стадо, уверен скажет, что это тихонько и незаметно подобрался РОССИЙСКИЙ самолёт, который покрыли невидимой краской и совершил своё жестокое дело. Эта американская, неритянская обезьяна, с бананом последнии мозги высушила, вы посмотрите на него, он же тени уже не отбрасывает, заработался. Посмотрим. что объявит официальное расследование пидора-в голландских.

[stranik]

Quote: patriot_serg

The video shows that a whole .35 kg was falling. Beech warhead, plus 35 kg. would have carried it to 10000m.
The BEECH is guided along the contour, and not along the thermal trace. The right engine (not torn off) is lit in the video.
air-to-air missiles 3 kg.

Не надо здесь гнать что это Боинг, это сбитый АН ВВС Украины

[patriot_serg]

Обычно слово гнать,употребляют гопники.Здесь на ветке много версий,однако ни кто,никого не оскорбляет.

[Themi30]

а еще здесь много тупости, и если люди несут чушь, то "гнать" это достаточно мягкое выражение

[Berrick]

Пугает то, что загнанный в угол доказательствами запад, будет вынужден действовать. Действовать на отвлечение масс от этой темы: пробирка с порошком, теракты и пр.

[Dezinto]

вот именно сейчас начнутся сказки про белого бычка, все еврогазеты подхватят....ну и собственно всё. Всё что думают и говорят премьер министр англии и домохозяйка в джорджии - это и есть общественное мнение. ...и мировое сообщество.

[Lyokha79]

Очень странная катастрофа. Одни вопросы без ответов. Вопрос, кто сбил не актуален-это ясно и так, а вот где сотни стенающих родственников? Не знаю кто как, лично я видел троих. Одна-жена одного из членов экипажа, двое других-родители девушки пасажирки. Простите мой цинизм, но они больше похожи на плохих актёров, а не убитых горем родственников.

[kay4yk]

ну всё!!! Хунту на кол!!!
симпатяшке Псаки - очередную пресс-конференцию с глупыми вопросами.

[vigor1288]

ну вот и допрыгался зайчик!

[although]

http://www.translate.ru/siteTranslation/autolink/?direction=ar&template=General&
sourceURL=http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

перевел малазийскую статью)) на самом деле американцы сказали, а местные так думают

[Dimon174rus]

Естественно позже,под давлением белого дома,будет опровержение о том что Малазийские эксперты не говорили ни чего такого. Вообще напрягает история с чёрными ящиками,столько время прошло информации с гулькин нос,наверно химичат исправляют записи МНИМЫЕ ЭКСПЕРТЫ !!!

[pensioner]

На фашист - держи гранату. Непреклонным малазийским товарищам - респект и уважуха. Правда за спиной Малайзии маячит Китай и я бы не сказал, что маячит ненавязчиво...

[Valiko]

Quote: Oleg Sobol

It would be nice to find the original article ... On Pravder, that I did not find it ...
Found the source: http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

But there is no such statement.

+1 Без источника новость ни о чём.

[O. Bender]

Чем обработали сначала боинг ракеткой или гш? Скорее всего сначала пушкой а добивались уже ракетой. Просто висеть сушке на десяти тысячах долго тяжело. Динамический потолок. ..управляемость никакая ....прицелиться сложновато. Интересно только с технической точки зрения. Без смакования деталей трагедии.

[K-50]

Quote: O. Bender

Чем обработали сначала боинг ракеткой или гш? Скорее всего сначала пушкой а добивались уже ракетой. Просто висеть сушке на десяти тысячах долго тяжело. Динамический потолок. ..управляемость никакая ....прицелиться сложновато. Интересно только с технической точки зрения. Без смакования деталей трагедии.

Может сначала ракетой по двигателю?
Затем, когда "Боинг" стал разворачиваться(где-то была такая информация) и снизился (потерял высоту вследствии пожара двигателя, то чтобы не улетел далеко, пилот добавил из пушки. Но самолёт всё равно упал не на место принесения в жертву и спутал все дальнейшие планы.

[kompotnenado]

flightradar24.com. Сам проверял. Боинг развернулся и довольно долго летел. Это не могло быть подением. Все сходится. Укроп ракетой сбить не смог. Полетел пушкой добивать.

[Pro100Igor]

It is obvious!

[Vend]

Ну теперь нужно ждать заявления от США, что Боинг сбит единственным СУ, который захватили ополченцы.

[rotmistr60]

Мнение англосаксов будет в корне отличаться. Тем более виновных они уже давно назначили.
Сомневаюсь, что запад будет слушать выводы Малайзии.

[Coconut Tima]

Всё равно Псака скажет , что лётчик был агентом Кремля , офицером ГРУ !

[dzau]

Quote: Klim2011

Ссылку на первоисточник, пожалуйста

Отсылка на первоисточник есть здесь:

Boeing 777 Malaysia Airlines, потерпевший крушение в небе над востоком Украины, возможно, был сбит военным самолётом. Как пишет малайзийская газета New Straits Times, согласно новой версии, которую изучают следователи, лайнер мог быть уничтожен попаданием ракеты «воздух-воздух» и выстрелами из 30-миллиметровой авиапушки.
http://russian.rt.com/article/44182

Собственно, вот он:

MH17: Pockmarks look like from very, very heavy machine gun fire, says first OSCE monitor on-scene (...)

KUALA LUMPUR: INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had something to do with it.
http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

Инфу растирожировали такие ресурсы как:

Малайзийские СМИ: Boeing на Украине мог сбить Су-25
http://vz.ru/news/2014/8/6/699094.html

Малайзийские эксперты: «Боинг» над Украиной мог быть сбит Су-25
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26265/3143767

Пока что не похоже на вброс. Да это и не официальное заявление комиссии. "Мог быть", "может быть", "похоже".

[Arh]

Это было ясно с самого начала ! Единственно малазийские эксперты оказались не предвзяты !!!

[Cristall]

ох уж эти непроверенные данные....Смотрю Во уже не реагирует на такое и хорошо.
А то чем лучше тех же америкосов с их "социальными" источниками...

[Don barbosa]

Нет проблем, в фотошопе нарисуют Российский су-25, а мы будем опять перед всеми оправдываться.

[shitovmg]

Покричали-покричали, надолго не хватило! Успокоились, когда дело к развязке подошло! А мы с честью всё выдержали! Дай бог силы и терпения нашему президенту!!! Ну и мы его поддержим.

[Prussian]

Киев сегодня.Сцена на уровне театра лицедеев "Майдановцы подожгли вторую кучу шин на подъеме к улице Институтской.



После этого они окружили ее и поют Гимн Украины, не пуская к месту пожара милиционеров. Правохранители вместе с ними поют Гимн и держат руку на сердце.

Также на месте происшествия возникло несколько потасовок между силовиками и активистами. Впоследствии туда прибыли пожарные, которые через головы поющих тушат огонь."

[rennim]

Интересно, доведена ли информация малазийских экспертов до мировой общественности или нет?

[..Dmitry..]

Today at 20.30 (most likely it is Ural time), the Rossiya channel is waiting for an emergency inclusion - a speech by President Vladimir Putin. As it became known to URA.Ru, notifications were sent to all branches of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company that airtime should not be blocked by anything.
Источники предполагают, что выступление президента будет связано с указом об ответных мерах в отношении Запада, в рамках которого ограничивается импорт продукции стран, применивших санкции в отношении России, конкретной информации по обращению главы государства пока нет.
«URA.Ru» будет держать читателей в курсе.
http://ura.ru/content/primenews/07-08-2014/news/10521..

[wladimir]

доказали, заявили и что ? америкосы во главе со своей обезьяной, сначала прижмут малзийских экспертов, а потом летчика найдут -агента КГБ

[Bombardier]

МОСКВА, 6 авг — РИА Новости. Малайзийский Boeing, потерпевший крушение в небе над востоком Украины, возможно, был сбит ракетой и пушкой истребителя Су-25, сообщает в среду издание New Straits Times со ссылкой на экспертов.
Эксперты считают, что истребитель выпустил ракету "воздух-воздух" по пассажирскому лайнеру, а затем "добил" его выстрелом из 30-миллиметровой пушки. По их мнению, этим можно объяснить характер повреждений лайнера и разлета осколков: присутствуют как округлые отверстия, обычно получающиеся в результате выстрела из пушки, так и разрывные отверстия от ракет, имеющих стреловидные поражающие элементы.
Possible traces of fragments of a rocket on the wing of a crashed airliner Boeing 777 Malaysian Airlines near the city of Shakhtersk

Источник: данные самописцев не исключают, что MH17 был сбит ракетой
"На некоторых (фотографиях с места крушения) осколки от взрыва совпадают с теми, которые оставляет оружие с дистанционным взрывателем, а на других — более точные и кучные, от огня из пушки. Мы анализируем это", — заявил источник газете.
Согласно этой новой версии, была использована ракета с тепловой головкой самонаведения с трехкилограммовой боеголовкой, которая попала в самые горячие места самолета — двигатели. Эта версия исключает предыдущую о том, что самолет был сбит установкой "Бук", так как тогда, по мнению экспертов, от самолета практически ничего не осталось бы, и не требовался бы еще один, "добивающий" удар из пушки.
Как отмечает издание, Су-25 может набирать максимальную высоту в 25 тысяч футов (7,6 км), а малайзийский лайнер летел на высоте 10,6 км. Однако, как заявляет источник газеты, "Су-25 пришлось бы действовать на пределе своих возможностей, но это вполне реально".
Начальник главного оперативного управления Генштаба ВС РФ генерал-лейтенант Андрей Картаполов ранее сообщал, что перед катастрофой в 3-5 километрах от Boeing был замечен украинский военный самолет, предположительно, штурмовик Су-25. Он отметил, что этот Су-25 способен гарантированно поражать воздушные цели на расстоянии пяти километров.
СМИ ранее сообщали, что необнародованные данные черных ящиков разбившегося на Украине малайзийского рейса MH17 не противоречат информации о том, что самолет был поврежден многочисленными осколками взорвавшейся ракеты.
Пассажирский самолет Boeing 777 Амстердам — Куала-Лумпур малайзийской авиакомпании потерпел крушение 17 июля в Донецкой области. На борту находились 298 человек, в том числе 192 нидерландца, все погибли. Киев обвинил в катастрофе ополченцев, но те заявили, что не располагают средствами, которые позволили бы сбить воздушное судно на такой высоте.


РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20140806/1019014818.html#ixzz39gz36DYV

[Cormorants]

Quote: URAL72

The Su-25 is not a fighter, so the Boeing was shot down either at the initiative of the pilot, or taking into account that the militia lit up its Su-25, or Kiev was generally dumber than Psaki. But this is only scribble. I don’t see the links - what kind of experts are the reports published, are ICAO and other structures involved in the investigation up to date? With patience, I look forward to continuing. If it is confirmed, then Kiev and the west, in the big ass, you won’t be all right for the pilot ...

Теоретически Су-25 может пустить ракету "воздух-воздух" находясь короткое время на высоте 10км.

[kelevra]

И как обычно Гейропа скажет,что КАКАЯ-ТО Малайзия не может авторитетно что-либо утверждать!

[K-50]

Quote: kelevra

И как обычно Гейропа скажет,что КАКАЯ-ТО Малайзия не может авторитетно что-либо утверждать!

Так эксперты-то английские, в англии производится расшифровка

[father nikon]

Malaysian experts said that the Boeing 777 was hit by an air-to-air missile of the Su-25 fighter.

Ничуть не сомневался в этом после того, как я увидел остатки кабины и простреленный фрагмент крыла! Да, и еще идеально новые паспорта, якобы жертв, в одном запаянном пластиковом пакете.

[Executer]

Похоже на очередную утку... Больше нигде нет такой информации, даже и по ссылке на первоисточник.

[VICTOR-61]

Сразу видно было что украинцы сбили по лживой демократии амеров конец везде они стали проигрывать

[Vkill]

Quote: Oleg Sobol

http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

Не вяжется название статьи с англицким первоисточником.
Прям с самого начала там заявляется:
"Аналитики разведки в США уже пришли к выводу, что полет Malaysia Airlines MH17 был сбит ракетой воздух-воздух".
При чем ту малазийские эксперты?

[geto123]

шас уже майдан горит битва в киеве начелась )))))))

[Mercenary]

Кто бы сомневался? К амерам снисхождение - они ведь ТУПЫЕ.

[miv110]

Будем ждать дальнейшей информации и того что за этим последует. Пока все эти разговоры не о чём. Нет официального заключения нет - реальных виновных.

[Horla]

Вот еще одна информация-истинные хохлы оказывается специально выведенная американцами раса,предназначенная для превращения афроамериканцев в белых людей.Доказательство:после посещения америки г-ном Порошенко у г-на Обамы ж-па стала белой.

[Doomph]

Что гадать-то? Для меня пока что ясно одно: если бы у амеров были фото с "Буком" или записи переговоров ополчения в момент атаки на Боинг, они бы ими уже трясли на всех углах. А так все это напоминает попытки скорчить хорошую мину при плохой игре.

[Eugene 1475]

Думаю что это утка! Подтверждения нет! А как бы хотелось что бы это оказалась правдой! Обамма заткнулся бы сразу!

[Dunno]

Украиной правит не просто хунта, сумасшедшие. И поставили из ы.

[efimich41]

Наконец появилось подтверждение невиновности России в крушении Боинга-777, в чем нормальные люди никогда не сомневались. Но теперь необходимо извлечь на свет всех хулителей России и В.В.Путина, чтобы призвать их к ответу за злобную клевету - они все являются пятой колонной. Пусть официально через все СМИ признаются в распространении лживых вымыслов, и если их пока нельзя изолировать, то хоть через суду наказать штрафными санкциями.

[INGVVAR]

Quote: Oleg Sobol

Found the source: http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961

Прочитал полностью.В данном издании приводится утверждение из нескольких источников что вероятнее всего лайнер сбит ракетой воздух воздух. как аргумент указано что на отдельных частях лайнера имеются как входящие отверстия (с загнутыми краями во внутрь) так и выходящие, что дает основание считать что лайнер сбил все таки военный самолет.. на что свидомые могут сказать что в данном районе велись боевые действия.... Для чего собственно они и обстреливали район падения..Сволочи

[kot28.ru]

Quote: Denis

Quote: BYV

And what will Comrade Psaki say to this?

[BOB044]

Самое главное кто заказал БОИНГ 777. Для чего сбили, просто так ерунда. Что та там не склеивается и что может открыться в результате расследования. Скоро месяц как всё это произошло а данных практически нет. Расшифровка чёрных ящиков прошу заметить практически целых, тишина . То то.

[denchik1977]

Настало время проведения нового Нюрнбергского трибунала над руководством США, Евросоюза и Украины за все преступления совершаемые на Украине, за гибель Боинга 777.... Пришло время платить по счетам...

[Isk1984]

Вот казалось бы в век информации все не утоишь, и вот сплывают факты тот же боинг той малазиской компании, который в марте пропал, уже все посчитали и твердо сказали ищите на Диего-Гарсии на базе ВВС США, а уж как могут ЦРУ ники проводить подобные операции, мы знаем, если уж они в 2001 году собственных граждан укакошили в башнях, то уж тут так мелочи, но от этого еще страшнее получается, что у власти в США маньяки облеченные неграниченной властью, с доступом ко всем видам вооружений, включая ядерный арсенал, вот Вам не просто Империя Зла , а безумная Империя, что тут еще добавить, информации полно только вот все мировые СМИ также Американцами котролируются...
Вообщем префразируя слова Катона Цензора- Вашингон должен быть разрушен, жить нам не датут, и вылечить психопата и маньяка не возможно....
Как в США появился подобный спрут мне непонятно, нация велик инженеров и строителей, выродилась в угрозу для всего человечества...

[CONTROL]

1. Украинская армия: - неплохо вооружена, имеет вполне грамотных и адекватных генералов...
2. неплохих полковников...
3. ...и вот тут всё кончается: пьяные тупые и плохо учившиеся майоры, совсем бестолковые капитаны и ниже...голодные полураздетые и испуганные солдаты, обдолбанные нацгвардейцы и качки-"дэсант-ура"с угрозами Стрелкову и Путину...
В целом - армия неуправляема! И выяснить, кто из укров шмальнул, будет очень трудно! А уж кто приказал - и вообще невозможно!
Хотя, говорят, есть признание пилота СУшки, что он стрелял...
Зяма, иде ты дел того пилота?

P.S. я недавно оттуда, в очередной раз убедился - армия у них б-о-о-льшая, и бестолковая, видел перешедших границу укросолдатиков...бедняги, ей-богу...хоть и сволота!