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Miracle in a deputy: the transformation of the fleeing Ukrainian military in the Russian beneficiaries

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In the State Duma from the depths of the LDPR faction is preparing to issue a bill for the authorship of the deputy Mikhail Degtyarev, devoted to the possible amendment of the law "On Refugees". The essence of these amendments comes down to the fact that in Russia there is a legal basis for the admission of troops of foreign armies to their territory, who have decided not to carry out the orders of their commanders, finding these orders immoral. The same legal framework will allow to accept in Russia those foreign soldiers and officers who, for several reasons, do not agree with the policies of their government.

Miracle in a deputy: the transformation of the fleeing Ukrainian military in the Russian beneficiaries


Mikhail Degtyarev in the prepared draft law also prescribes benefits, which in the territory of the Russian Federation should be received by military personnel of foreign regular armies. Benefits include: the right to pay retraining in Russia, state support for job search, the ability to choose a region of residence in the Russian Federation, financial support from the state when renting housing, protection from probable harassment by foreign intelligence agencies, up to help in changing the name and surname without having to announcement of special grounds, state support for higher education.

In fact, the only barrier that Mikhail Degtyarev, in his birth-law, defines for foreign military personnel, is their involvement in crimes against civilians. And as for the rest, according to Degtyaryov, you are welcome, if the foreign serviceman himself wants to cross the border with Russia and take advantage of the proposed conditions, which are much more favorable than the conditions for ordinary refugees.

Obviously, the draft law, which deputy Degtyarev intends to issue to the Duma, by the way, is the deputy chairman of the science committee (apparently, the issue of refugees and foreign military personnel has shifted to the level of high technologies), is directed to the military of only one foreign army - the current Ukrainian one. In principle, Degtyarev himself does not try to hide this, stating that his offspring in the form of a bill can reduce the threat to civilians in south-eastern Ukraine.



If you don’t particularly delve into the essence of the bill being developed in the Liberal Democratic Party, and limit yourself to a superficial glance, everything seems to be great: the Ukrainian military, unwilling to carry out orders proportional to the commanders, are marching across the border, are on Russian soil, they en masse ( and even if it is somehow confirmed) that they did not take part in any of the operations against the civilian population. Then the legal machine of deputy Degtyaryov turns on, which by its mechanisms puts Russia in the position of accepting these servicemen with open arms, with their further training, housing, assistance in finding employment and even changing their names (probably Gritsko, and will become Ivanov so that Ukraine’s special services did not guess it). And then the peaceful residents of Donbass will immediately feel that there are fewer covered ones, ready to hammer at them from the Gradov and self-propelled howitzers and drop cluster bombs from airplanes.

In fact, the bill, which is conceived in the camp of the Liberal Democratic Party, looks like a creaky cart of three wheels, which refuses to move, rolling over on its side.

The first thing you should pay attention to: the use of the term “foreign military personnel”. It is clear that it would be strange if the law “On Refugees” separately established the status of the Ukrainian military. But on the other hand, if we mean exclusively sheltered, and in the text of the draft law we use the notion of “foreign”, then a priori this leads to the possibility of unhindered entry into Russia of servicemen from the most diverse, let's say, nearby states. Will it happen that the servicemen of the Tajik, Kyrgyz, Uzbek, Moldavian and other armies who wish to change their names, find a job and get financial support from the Russian government (that is, from the state budget) will trot down to Russia, forgive me? There is an opinion that this is exactly what will happen, because such military men have the right to declare that they did not take part in any armed conflicts at all (especially in the war against civilians) and that they have a position that does not fit in with their position government, and the orders of their commanders, they consider immoral. Or is it necessary to use the term "Ukrainian soldiers" in the bill?

From the theater of the absurd. Somewhere in a foreign army:

"Fell, wrung out!"
"Not! This order is inherently immoral! I'd rather go to Russia! I want to go to Moscow, pay me a two-room rental in Kuzminki and study at the University of Friendship of Peoples! ”


And how happy in this case will be the legal field, prepared by the deputy Degtyarev, these same governments, in which the Liberal Democratic Party, like the medieval Hamelsk rat-catcher, is going to take the military away ...

Another detail. Nadezhda LDPR that the mass exodus of the Ukrainian military from the ATO zone to Russia will reduce the passions in the Donbas and help civilians breathe deeply, arouses respect, but it also raises the question: why are the same Ukrainian military and civilian refugees from Donbass put in completely different conditions? From the side of this approach looks like a sorting, in which there is a place for the selection of the first and second grade. For some - universities and financial support for rental housing in any region they like, for others - tents in the border areas of the Rostov region.

Another question: does the initiative of 33-year-old deputy Mikhail Degtyaryov discredit the service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the official biography, the title of the serviceman as a person under oath?

Yes, the desire to support those who are not ready to participate in a civil war with their people is certainly excellent, but are there few military men in our country who are far from enthusiastic about the actions of their own government and who consider the orders of the commanders to be immoral? Does this mean that in the LDPR, in fact, they are not opposed to “letting” Russian servicemen to foreign countries in order to preserve the “image” and even their lives, God forbid, some kind of brawl, and even their career growth "over the hill"?

If it does not, then the bill must be completely rewritten (and this is in the best case for the bill), considering all the pitfalls, and now the initiative has plenty of these pitfalls. One of them is: why is the ordinary Russian taxpayer, whose state doesn’t hurry to compensate for rent of housing, as he is not always in a hurry to train in universities for budget funds, should ensure a bright future for those who are under a foreign oath and are very frivolous to this oath? Where are the guarantees that tomorrow he will not change his name in the next one and, in evil irony, will not undertake weapon against Russia itself, so that, as they say, “redeem”?

By the way, we should not forget the reaction of the militias, who are fighting to live, work and raise children freely in the land of Donbass. They, to put it mildly, are surprised by the position of Russia, in which those who are trapped in the cauldron are taken on Russian territory, cured, fattened, and then sent to Ukraine, where a considerable percentage again takes up arms and goes to kill their compatriots. In fact, the militia's efforts are thus reduced to zero.

Instead of supporting the military of foreign armies, it would be much better to continue to develop our own, without forgetting about the fulfillment of social obligations to other segments of the population.
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  1. portoc65
    portoc65 7 August 2014 10: 31
    +54
    All Ukrainians are heroes ... and glory to themselves!. But in general they don’t remember the good ... the crest is worse than the Jew ... they think only of their own skin.
    1. herruvim
      herruvim 7 August 2014 10: 38
      +34
      You mean it, although maybe it’s a complete mess
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 7 August 2014 12: 04
        +7
        crap of course. the head then why is given to man?
        Donkey will remain donkey
        Although the scree his stars:
        Where must the mind go
        He only claps his ears

        (Derzhavin. The nobleman.)
        1. aktanir
          aktanir 7 August 2014 12: 27
          -32
          Degtyarev proposes a case. His direction of thought is correct. The only thing is that its bill requires some "finishing" and shading.
          1. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx 7 August 2014 13: 26
            +48
            And why should I ensure the welfare of foreign soldiers with my taxes?
            What do we have? Problems with providing our troops have all been resolved? Does everyone have housing, a cash allowance equivalent to 10000 euros? Do children of officers and warrant officers enter universities on a budget and out of competition?
            Why foreign ..... surrendered to us should live better than our military? Explain !!!
            In one of the previous comments, I suggested charging a fee for the services provided for the reception and maintenance (treatment) of the Ukrainian, so they got me down.
            I believe that you have to pay for everything, if someone haet my Fatherland, let him pay for moral damage, if he attacks with a weapon, then let him not yell "but what for me?" Nobody has canceled indemnities and reparations yet !!! You look and grow wiser!
            1. aktanir
              aktanir 7 August 2014 14: 04
              -14
              Therefore, I am writing: the direction of thought is correct, but the bill itself in this form requires "finishing"!
              1. Alex
                Alex 7 August 2014 16: 20
                +14
                Quote: aktanir
                Therefore, I am writing: the direction of thought is correct, but the bill itself in this form requires "finishing"!

                After "finishing" and polishing "only sawdust will remain of this bill. There is nothing to provide these bandits with special conditions. After all, there is an international practice of internment of servicemen and military equipment on the territory of neutral states, which is Russia.
                As for the "national guards", "pravoseks" and other Banderlog: they are not servicemen and are subject to immediate arrest if they enter the territory of Russia. With the subsequent investigation and trial. Then it won't be surprising
                Russia's position, in which people who are caught in a cauldron are taken on Russian territory, treated, fattened, and then sent to Ukraine, where a considerable percentage again takes up arms and goes to kill compatriots.
              2. Aleksandr68
                Aleksandr68 7 August 2014 18: 31
                +6
                their groans about the fact that they did not want to fight is childish babble. Even "a woman cannot be raped if she does not want it" Does Russia need personnel who shoot at its people and do not follow orders?
              3. DPZ
                DPZ 8 August 2014 08: 05
                +2
                only one thought is correct "to neutralize the Ukrop military." but not at the same price! to create military field camps, to guard them so that they do not run away, to create conditions not like in prison, but something like that, and so that they work out their maintenance, even if they are cleaning city streets, even when digging some holes. and in these camps to keep them until the end of the war.
                1. Soldier1973
                  Soldier1973 8 August 2014 23: 40
                  +2
                  BEAUTY !!!! I completely agree !!! We crossed the border, surrendered, all to the camps and passed through the filter of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and to work. good
            2. mirag2
              mirag2 7 August 2014 17: 11
              -11
              I think the point here is that STIMULATE refusals to take part in hostilitiesi.e. essentially this is HELP to the militia.
              1. kuz363
                kuz363 7 August 2014 17: 49
                +10
                But is it not too expensive stimulation at the expense of the Russians? In general, before adopting any laws, it is necessary for economists and analysts to predict the economic consequences for the population in the form of elimination of benefits, increase in prices, taxes .. in order to financially ensure the proposed law. Russians do not live so richly to go even lower.
            3. Alekseev
              Alekseev 7 August 2014 18: 32
              +6
              Quote: sso-250659
              And why should I ensure the welfare of foreign soldiers with my taxes?

              It’s enough that the people who crossed the border of the Russian Federation when they were pressed in, pecked in f ... they don’t kill the fried rooster in Russia, but they give it to eat, provide help and let it go (Is it all? Everyone is not allowed!)
            4. ddd1975
              ddd1975 8 August 2014 02: 27
              +5
              ... the question is not even about our maintenance of foreign soldiers, here it smells of frank dol..obism. It seems to me that a military man, in principle, should not discuss an order. If he went into military service and took the oath to his state - what was he thinking? It turns out that I went to work, everything suited me - I received money, enjoyed benefits, etc. - then suddenly it struck that something was wrong and urgently decided to surrender to a third party. Why do we need such a soldier ??? "Betrayed once, betrayed and twice" - we want our army of lovers. A deputy with such a proposal - ON A CALL !!! Going wild over Psaki, we don't notice our woodpeckers.
            5. DPZ
              DPZ 8 August 2014 08: 02
              +1
              I also think it is necessary to take a fee for their reception, feeding, treatment! to invoice the state. Of course they will not pay, but even if they are in debtors, an extra debtor will not harm us.
              1. Soldier1973
                Soldier1973 8 August 2014 23: 35
                +1
                And I think it’s better not to accept them at all !!! When everything went fine for the war with civilians, but as disaster happened, everyone smeared the snot and ran to give up! U ** dy! It would be better if they turned on their brains and helped their fellow countrymen to fight! On the count of him !!!! negative
            6. yastr
              yastr 8 August 2014 15: 37
              +2
              I agree! Moreover: why not help YOUR citizens with paying for housing, obtaining a higher education, help and subsidize. Will it not turn out that a runner from a "foreign army" is "more prestigious" than a citizen of the receiving country. You need to accept, but first of all, all bonuses - to the population of the country, not to runners.
            7. dkflbvbh
              dkflbvbh 8 August 2014 22: 16
              +1
              Regarding the draft law of the Liberal Democratic Party and the article - in our childhood they said about such people: "Not all patients were taken away by the war."
              Quote: sso-250659
              And why should I ensure the welfare of foreign soldiers with my taxes?
              What do we have? Problems with providing our troops have all been resolved? Does everyone have housing, a cash allowance equivalent to 10000 euros? Do children of officers and warrant officers enter universities on a budget and out of competition?
              Why foreign ..... surrendered to us should live better than our military? Explain !!!


              I fully support you !!!!!!!!!!!
              1. sso-xnumx
                sso-xnumx 17 August 2014 20: 35
                0
                Thank you very much!!!
          2. 222222
            222222 7 August 2014 13: 59
            +8
            Vladimir Volfovich, they are trying to substitute you !!!
            1. O_RUS
              O_RUS 7 August 2014 21: 16
              +5
              Quote: 222222
              Vladimir Volfovich, they are trying to substitute you !!!


              Traitors in the rear?

              "In the State Duma, from the depths of the LDPR faction, a bill is being prepared for the authorship of the deputy Mikhail Degtyarev"

              Tip psaki on LDPR-ovsky? Or, by her example, is she striving for power? I wonder who pushes him to * opu? Who is hiding behind him?
            2. O_RUS
              O_RUS 7 August 2014 21: 27
              +1
              Quote: 222222
              Vladimir Volfovich, they are trying to substitute you !!!


              They began to "drip" under it ... they collect dirt. Someone wants to take his place. On the internet there is something new about Zhirinovsky ... how much this is true is difficult to judge.
          3. SAXA.SHURA
            SAXA.SHURA 7 August 2014 18: 32
            0
            here you are such a geek who killed old people, women and children, take to your home and get drunk with him. Did you understand ???.
          4. lexx2038
            lexx2038 7 August 2014 19: 42
            +7
            Quote: aktanir
            Degtyarev proposes a case. His direction of thought is correct. The only thing is that its bill requires some "finishing" and shading.

            Well done, so the whole army of Mozambique, or someone else, can come to us for permanent residence. With families, but what about.
          5. 78bor1973
            78bor1973 7 August 2014 21: 00
            +1
            This vyser law, highly specialized, is applicable to a specific situation and therefore is not viable!
          6. Andrey Gladkikh
            Andrey Gladkikh 8 August 2014 00: 57
            +2
            No, he doesn’t propose, not a thing. This is all from the field of scattering leaflets over trenches and shouting into loudspeakers: “Russian soldier (in this case, Ukrainian) surrender. Life and food are guaranteed for you. ” In general, Mr. Degtyarev fools around. Or PR once again, as the electorate began to forget that there is such a deputy in the world.
          7. Big giraffe
            Big giraffe 8 August 2014 14: 29
            +2
            Quote: aktanir
            Degtyarev proposes a case. His direction of thought is correct. The only thing is that its bill requires some "finishing" and shading.

            and everything will turn into something like this ...
            "A letter from an officer from Bryansk:

            Sorry emotions. I hosted 5 "refugees" who began not just asking, but demanding social benefits of 1.200 rubles a day and work for 25-30.000 rubles a month. I'm getting lost.

            And I answered him: to drive (perfect mat), to drive in the neck ... I feel these "refugees" will show us what real Banderaism is!

            We accept them as Brothers, and they come with the certainty that we have already owed them ... When did we manage to do this? "
          8. Soldier1973
            Soldier1973 8 August 2014 23: 23
            +2
            negative Let yourself brains better dopilit! Such deputies in the furnace !!!!!!!!
        2. Cadet787
          Cadet787 7 August 2014 14: 50
          +6
          Please distribute:

          The Minister of Defense of the Donetsk People’s Republic Igor Strelkov spoke about the great material difficulties of the militia and called on people to help Russian soldiers.

          On paying regular salaries to militia fighters. “I do not have that kind of money !!! And there never was. They were promised, but never received. In order to pay a salary of 20 thousand rubles for July, those who came to services at least at the beginning of the month require approximately 3 million “standard units”. And where will I get them from? The financial system of the DPR “died without being born”, and the militia does not print money ...
          But another thing is worse - in 2 weeks I will have nothing to feed the soldiers of our Slavic brigade with.
          I can only "bow at the feet" of those volunteers who fight for free, without cigarettes, without normal shoes, often - even without uniforms, in conditions of shortage of everything - from cartridges to mugs and spoons ... And once again turn to those who PROMISED HELP : HELP !!!!! AT LEAST MONEY !!! NOT FOR ME!!! RUSSIAN SOLDIERS !!!! "

          Source: http://rusvesna.su/news/1407267844
      2. Cadet787
        Cadet787 7 August 2014 14: 47
        +1
        No warriors are needed on Russian territory, or as it now sounds on Khokhlyatsky (vuyatsi), poisoned by fascism.
    2. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 7 August 2014 10: 43
      +5
      it would be much better to continue to develop our own, not forgetting about the fulfillment of social obligations to other segments of the population.

      This is probably the main idea that the powers that be should never forget. When will it be possible to live worthily on a salary? - this is a question for our average man, to whom I relate myself.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 7 August 2014 10: 51
        +30
        Degtyarev has forgotten the simple truth - "The betrayer will betray one day and the second time" And the second time he will do it much faster and easier.
        1. stalfal
          stalfal 7 August 2014 12: 20
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          Degtyarev has forgotten the simple truth - "The betrayer will betray one day and the second time" And the second time he will do it much faster and easier.


          It would be no fraud on our part with these benefits, and not without the help of these refugees.
          1. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx 7 August 2014 13: 54
            +1
            So what is it about !!!
      2. WKS
        WKS 7 August 2014 11: 21
        +11
        The soldier who left the battlefield is a bad soldier. A betrayer will betray one more time. For the sake of such an audience, it is not worth writing a law. Let him return to his homeland there will still be no benefit to him.
        1. DMB-88
          DMB-88 7 August 2014 11: 45
          +19
          Quote: wks
          The soldier who left the battlefield is a bad soldier. A betrayer will betray one more time. For the sake of such an audience, it is not worth writing a law. Let him return to his homeland there will still be no benefit to him.


          If a soldier is not satisfied with the power in Ukraine, let him go over to the side of the rebels, and not flee to Russia like a wreck. Or do not immediately follow the call, and once called a cargo - then climb ....., so to speak!
      3. snn
        snn 7 August 2014 15: 39
        0
        But forget!
    3. Finches
      Finches 7 August 2014 10: 52
      +2
      Misha, did you yourself serve in the army ??
    4. insafufa
      insafufa 7 August 2014 10: 59
      +6
      do not confuse Ukrainians Ukrainians halls consider those who live in Russia and the Urains lead people of the first grade to them and the benefits and so on. etc.
      The best people took care of the veterans of both Chichesk and Afghans. I’m not talking about the Black-Baltic men who defended their homeland, but these ... worse than the Jews, they want to give them more privileges when the time comes they will run away from us where it is better.
      these warriors need to be in internment camps before the warriors end and there let them go to their homes
      1. O212OO
        O212OO 7 August 2014 11: 12
        +3
        Yes, shoot them! Business ...
        They came to kill the inhabitants of Donbass, but if something went wrong, can you use the help of Russia? A win-win situation for punishers! Russia substitutes a friendly shoulder for the punishers!
    5. cyberhanter
      cyberhanter 7 August 2014 11: 35
      +1
      Are you talking about all the inhabitants of Ukraine now broadcasting?
    6. Mahmut
      Mahmut 7 August 2014 12: 12
      +19
      The idiotic bill. The biggest benefit for a soldier is saving his life. Internment, accommodation in closed camps with the right of two meals a day, honey. help, correspondence with relatives and receiving parcels from home. All. Release only after the signing of a peace treaty and the complete cessation of hostilities.
      1. The point
        The point 7 August 2014 13: 51
        +4
        Salam, dear! He said everything correctly!
    7. URAL72
      URAL72 7 August 2014 12: 50
      +10
      "All Ukrainians are heroes .. and they themselves are glory to themselves!. But in general they do not remember the good ... the crest is worse than a Jew ... they think only about their own skin."

      You yourself understood what you said? I believe that "Ukrainian" is not a nationality, but the name of the population living in the territory temporarily called Ukraine. Here, even in the west, different "tribes" live - Lemkos, Boiks, etc., and we generally call them Hutsuls or Zapadents. In Transcarpathia live Hungarians, Romanians, RUSSINS, etc. The latter received official status only recently (5-7 years ago), but the Poles called everyone Rusyns, from the Carpathians to the Dnieper. Even now there are many Jews, Gypsies, Tatars in Ukraine, there are descendants of Serbs, Greeks, Germans, etc. The rest are a cocktail of Slavic tribes, with a predominance of Russian blood. During the Soviet era, the country sent specialists to all points of the union, regardless of nationality. In the Donbass and the entire southeast of the Russians, the majority. The problem is that they, too, are just ordinary people who, from school, every day on TV, are told that they are "great Ukrainians" Russians voluntarily kill Russians in Donbass, piously believing in their Ukrov origin, while speaking Russian ...
      1. GrandsonUncle Vasi
        GrandsonUncle Vasi 7 August 2014 23: 00
        0
        Try to "instill" a great origin in an Uzbek or other Asian, unlike his other neighbor in Central Asia. And then, as a result of such a "vaccination," push him to the slaughterhouse to ascertain greatness.
        In stool there can be no Russian blood by definition. And if it is, it has long mutated.
    8. Cadet787
      Cadet787 7 August 2014 14: 42
      +3
      Remember what bravado this ukrofashiskaya ignoramus went to kill civilians in Novorossia, there is no pity or forgiveness for this reptile, and there is no need to treat them in Russia, Russia did not send them to fight, and when we take them to our territory we become accomplices of the crime of the Kiev fascist regime, they will not spare us. This is not decent in relation to the militias.
    9. vik669
      vik669 7 August 2014 14: 47
      +1
      It’s not necessary to fight and do not fuck them on the territory of Russia. As if they didn’t know with whom they were going to fight.
    10. Belbizback
      Belbizback 8 August 2014 00: 59
      0
      I approximately agree. And about .....
      Another question: does the initiative of 33-year-old deputy Mikhail Degtyaryov discredit the service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the official biography, the title of the serviceman as a person under oath?
      THIS EXACTLY AGREES !!!
  2. alexandr-budarin1
    alexandr-budarin1 7 August 2014 10: 35
    +17
    I think Russia does not need such PATRIOTS.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 August 2014 10: 40
      +3
      Quote: aleksandr-budarin1
      I think Russia does not need such PATRIOTS.

      Well, here the essence is to see that to completely ruin the Ukrainian army.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 7 August 2014 14: 04
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, here the essence is to see that to completely ruin the Ukrainian army.

        The darkest insidious ...
        1. Swed
          Swed 7 August 2014 15: 16
          0
          True Sith :)
    2. solaco
      solaco 7 August 2014 10: 43
      +8
      Quote: aleksandr-budarin1
      I think Russia does not need such PATRIOTS.

      Absolutely not needed !!! stop
      Do we have to take care of anyone else anymore? As soon as Ukrainian deserters! soldier
    3. AVV
      AVV 7 August 2014 10: 51
      +3
      Enough to take Ukrainian criminals out of the boilers, at best, when transferring, send them all to the far north for a year to work for a ticket to Ukraine or in a pinch. Exchange them with militias held by the junta !!!
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 7 August 2014 11: 35
        0
        Quote: AVV
        in the best case, when going to send them all to the far north for a year, that would work for a ticket to Ukraine

        there it’s about five to ten years ... feeding, clothes, transportation to the north itself, security (so as not to desert again), etc.
      2. gsbor
        gsbor 8 August 2014 03: 11
        0
        Why do we need this in the north, let the Kerch Strait be poured with this deputy, and bridges be built.
    4. bulvas
      bulvas 7 August 2014 10: 56
      +6
      Quote: aleksandr-budarin1
      I think Russia does not need such PATRIOTS.



      I hope the people will remember this politician and draw conclusions in future elections
    5. DV69
      DV69 7 August 2014 14: 04
      +1
      Quote: aleksandr-budarin1
      I think Russia does not need such PATRIOTS.

      I think Russia does not need such deputies.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 August 2014 10: 35
    +24
    It may be time for deputies to think about the well-being of their citizens. And because of the piling up of their salaries and benefits, they absolutely do not see the needs of the Russian people.
    Just to be noted and remain in memory and no matter which. One actively fights against smoking, infringing on the rights of smokers, the other himself does not understand what he is fighting and what he offers.
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 7 August 2014 10: 39
      +5
      It may be time for deputies to think


      What are you speaking about??? The deputy needs mental activity exclusively for the choice of this or that proposal, which needs to be lobbied.
    2. portoc65
      portoc65 7 August 2014 10: 39
      +1
      The main thing is to fight ... but for what it doesn’t matter anymore.
    3. Olkass
      Olkass 7 August 2014 10: 52
      +6
      More from Soviet times:
      - Well, comrades, is it time to think about the people?
      - Yes Yes Yes! A shower of 200-300 would not hurt!
      1. snn
        snn 7 August 2014 15: 45
        0
        Well, the boyars and the servants have already appeared, from among the deputies
    4. creak
      creak 7 August 2014 10: 58
      +6
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It may be time for deputies to think about the well-being of their citizens.


      What are you speaking about? When our powers that be dealt with such "little things" ... It looks like their thoughts and deeds are directed at something completely different - after one "gift" to ordinary citizens - freezing pension savings, it was decided to give a gift to their loved ones - in the draft budget for the next few years for an increase in salaries for officials is envisaged for the allocation of 460 (FOUR HUNDRED SIXTY BILLION rubles) "This is not counting the fact that from September 1 of this year the deputy's salary will increase to 420 thousand rubles - you might think that before that they were interrupted from bread to water .. So let ordinary citizens do not interfere with making their beautiful life even more beautiful, but the fact that this is very similar to a feast during the plague does not seem to bother them very much ...
      1. snn
        snn 7 August 2014 15: 48
        +1
        And 20% of Russians live in a concentration camp or besieged Leningrad! But on average, given the billions of rulers, all is well! Already for these averages, everyone needs to be driven into three necks.
    5. snn
      snn 7 August 2014 15: 44
      0
      Drive them all ...
    6. Puskarinkis
      Puskarinkis 7 August 2014 17: 13
      0
      Assembly in the State Duma.
      Putin:
      -Well? Have you privatized everything? Nature, minerals, enterprises ... We must think about the people.
      A timid voice from the audience:
      -Yes. I would have two hundred showers.
  4. Vik.Tor
    Vik.Tor 7 August 2014 10: 35
    +9
    But have they not given them benefits, their non-warring citizens do not have such benefits.
    1. vlad-58
      vlad-58 7 August 2014 20: 22
      0
      there are already conflicts - they began to beat the muzzles of refugees who gorge themselves to a pig's screeching on "lifting" and "high-speed" ... this is on the snout (well, for which they get ...) about 60 - 95 thousand firewood ... not sickly !
  5. vorobey
    vorobey 7 August 2014 10: 35
    +5
    Well, you have to work out the deputy salary somehow. here and puffed up.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 August 2014 10: 42
      +4
      Quote: vorobey
      Well, you have to work out the deputy salary somehow. here and puffed up.

      Sanya, well, he worked for 100 rubles, it remains to work out 499 900 rubles. The life of the deputy is not as simple as you think. Then, with blood laughing
      Hi
    2. andrei332809
      andrei332809 7 August 2014 10: 43
      +4
      Quote: vorobey
      Well, you have to work out the deputy salary somehow. here and puffed up.

      forcibly-voluntarily buy uniforms for his salary and to the western front. let him communicate directly with ukrovoyaki
  6. roman72-452
    roman72-452 7 August 2014 10: 36
    +16
    The Ukrainian military fled to us only because they suffered a military defeat, otherwise they would continue to joyfully bombard peaceful cities and carry out cleansing operations among those who disagree with the fascist regime. They should be placed on special reservations and kept there, and not sent home taking my word that they will not fight anymore.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 7 August 2014 11: 53
      +1
      Where does the deserter come from? request
      LDPR often gets its clowning.
    2. vlad-58
      vlad-58 7 August 2014 20: 24
      0
      suffered the same thing - shoot yourself! ... ammunition is over? ..
  7. Giant thought
    Giant thought 7 August 2014 10: 37
    +11
    In fact, all Ukrainian soldiers who have migrated to Russia must be sent to special camps where they can find out for sure whether this or that person is an accomplice in war crimes, otherwise we will feed them, wash them, and we will treat them, leaving for Ukraine and continue to crumble cabbage of civilians.
    1. vlad-58
      vlad-58 7 August 2014 20: 34
      0
      all international law and laws of war are violated at every step:
      - help to the belligerent - not with Russia! - to the neighboring - and declaring hostility to the state finances (Gref!), material resources (military equipment - Yaroslavl tank engines!);
      - the adoption and deployment on its territory of servicemen of the army (not refugees and non-combatants!);
      - "forgiveness" of sins in the form of shelling from heavy artillery systems on the territory of a neighboring state (Luhansk definitely said - "conscripts" stoned into the trash under the threats of the National Guardsmen ...)
      - And much more ... to whom tell it all like this in a row - they will get fierce! what about the country, they will ask? but we do not ask! ...
  8. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 7 August 2014 10: 37
    +4
    Strongly against this bill.
    Bullshit, populist.
    1. Petergut
      Petergut 7 August 2014 12: 09
      +2
      Quote: Anisim1977
      ...
      Bullshit, populist.


      Nonsense is utter, but not populist.
      I doubt that this story will add popularity to Mr. Degtyarev in particular and the LDPR as a whole. Well, perhaps in the environment of aeromobile ukrodeserters. I think that this cupcake has already received an assault from the son of a lawyer for stupid chatter.
      So it's just rubbish.
  9. Andskobka
    Andskobka 7 August 2014 10: 37
    +9
    Oh, these liberal democrats are either looking at letters on a hundred ruble note, then they are returning the flag of the empire, now this is it ...
  10. Kito
    Kito 7 August 2014 10: 38
    +1
    "Not! This order is inherently immoral! I'd rather go to Russia! I want to go to Moscow, pay me a two-room rental in Kuzminki and study at the University of Friendship of Peoples! ”

    and what the Russians will endure and such a feint, is it not time to recall such deputies?
    1. Makosha
      Makosha 7 August 2014 11: 48
      0
      Quote: Kito
      and what the Russians will endure and such a feint, is it not time to recall such deputies?

      How to recall? Is there a recipe? And then maybe it's time to start collecting dirt on these "columns"?
  11. Ek.Sektor
    Ek.Sektor 7 August 2014 10: 39
    +12
    too much fuss around all these refugees, it's time to really deal with the problems of CITIZENS of the Russian Federation.
  12. Evgtan
    Evgtan 7 August 2014 10: 40
    +8
    deputies think that they are passing laws, and people think that drugs
  13. navara399
    navara399 7 August 2014 10: 40
    0
    Another PR LDPR. I think the adoption of such a law is wrong. The idea is correct, but not now, when the blood of militias is pouring and civilians of Donbass are dying. It is enough to amend certain service instructions of the relevant services and, under the strict control of special services, to screen out really ukrovoyak not participating in punitive measures against civilians. A loophole for deserters of the Ukrainian army is necessary, but not for killers and saboteurs.
  14. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 7 August 2014 10: 41
    +1
    In the State Duma, a bill is being prepared from the depths of the LDPR faction for the authorship of deputy Mikhail Degtyarev,

    Mikhail Degtyarev in the bill being prepared also prescribes the benefits that military personnel of foreign regular armies should receive in the territory of the Russian Federation. The benefits include: the right to pay for retraining in Russia, state support for finding a job, the ability to choose a region of residence in the Russian Federation, financial support from the state for rental housing,


    It seems that Zhirinovsky and his faction went for interrogation to Lyazhka.
  15. Warlock_r
    Warlock_r 7 August 2014 10: 42
    +1
    Even Degtyarev every time the idea is more delusional and delusional. Shame on Samara, infection ...
  16. AndreyRS
    AndreyRS 7 August 2014 10: 42
    +1
    rave. and so taking them (sun dill) and feeding and heating do too much. in theory it’s right, you just don’t have to let go right away. until everyone knows about this war and their country. it would be better to think about refugees and militias. and about his people. it’s from the underdevelopment of thinking of Mr. Deputy such an initiative
  17. Venier
    Venier 7 August 2014 10: 42
    +2
    In the Liberal Democratic Party faction, I look, the creative goes beyond reason. It is necessary to take care of our own, to fulfill social obligations, and not to collect foreign military personnel.
  18. Carlos
    Carlos 7 August 2014 10: 42
    +1
    No, no, and no! We don’t need Svidomo here! And in general, does Zhirinovsky have any power in his party, where deputies of the problem of the Ukrainian army want to shift to the Russian budget?
  19. Dezinto
    Dezinto 7 August 2014 10: 42
    +1
    Well, what is it .... we can start taking NATO troops .... ???

    Russia, of course, is a kind country .... but not with an adversary ..

    Maybe NATO members can also just come to the border and ask ........... what is this for ??
  20. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 7 August 2014 10: 44
    +2
    In fact, they are pushing water in a mortar. Firstly, military personnel of other states must be interned in accordance with international law, and secondly, today no one is stopping them from seeking political asylum in Russia.
    All the same, buy all the same will not work hi
  21. Zamachus
    Zamachus 7 August 2014 10: 44
    +2
    Zhirinovsky, you’ll look after your own people there, otherwise you’ll be in the dustbin of history
  22. Yellow white
    Yellow white 7 August 2014 10: 45
    0
    and then what to do with the crowds of disagreeing dissenters, defeatists, to decompose our army, society.
    The deputies started playing with their "amendments" ...
  23. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 7 August 2014 10: 46
    0
    Want to stay alive? Intern! Will be alive. Record biometrics and select obligations not to participate in hostilities against Russians. Letting go home ONLY AFTER THE END OF THE CONFLICT. Take all measures for outreach.
    Those who offer to feed and teach those who want to "just survive" should be sent to places of detention of internees to work with the contingent!
  24. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 7 August 2014 10: 47
    0
    stupid and populist decision of the deputy .. to collect on your territory it is unclear who and even to keep them .. the most optimal thing that they are doing now .. feed and back to Nenko-clatter with them yourself .. the main thing is that they throw weapons .. means the rear of the militia has fewer enemies ..
  25. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 7 August 2014 10: 47
    +3
    By the way, we must not forget the reactions of the militias, who are fighting to live, work and raise children in the land of Donbass.


    Offer Degtyarev go to the Donbass, to find out the opinion of the militias on his project.
  26. Seaman77
    Seaman77 7 August 2014 10: 48
    +2
    And you look at the photo. A young budding deputy ...
    it is necessary to somehow declare oneself to be noticed, praised!
  27. Denis
    Denis 7 August 2014 10: 49
    +3
    bill for authorship of deputy Mikhail Degtyarev
    But does this beautiful law-maker know at least on which side of the AK SHIELD flies?
    This is just an imitation of work (a favorite pastime of these parasites), so that they can see how they think about Russia
    In the news frames, besides refugees, women with children (war is not their business) have enough battle-worthy men, although the war is at their house. I can’t believe that they didn’t have enough weapons, well, I don’t believe it and that’s it! But the lack of courage and the excess of cunning is very similar
    Reminiscent of the "refugees" of the 90s who burst exclusively in Moscow or St. Petersburg

    If you don’t particularly delve into the essence of the draft law being developed in the LDPR, but confine yourself to a superficial look, then everything seems to be great
    And if at least a little thought is the essence of it:Give your wife to your uncle, and go to b ... di
    1. vlad-58
      vlad-58 7 August 2014 20: 37
      0
      ... about the sleeve: - I'm left-handed, it flew into my forehead! from the reflector ... it hurts a lot ... but I remain left-handed!
  28. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 August 2014 10: 49
    0
    The idea was to lure the dill "for lard". Well, they have a national feature, they love a hefty freebie. We went too far with the benefits. Such a law had to be passed in April, ahead of the curve. It is useless now. Under pain of death, they are already running.
  29. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 7 August 2014 10: 50
    0
    in the army you need to have patriots of Russia and in the army of Ukraine some cowards for peaceful shoot women’s children were bombed and a little in the west they got there right away - you need to think earlier
  30. Olkass
    Olkass 7 August 2014 10: 50
    +3
    What can be said about the depcorpus: not so much gentlemen-comrades are disfigured by intellect.
    One is trying to turn a child’s psychological trauma into the law (I'm talking about sneakers).
    Another - through a magnifying glass pisyuna on the notes of his dear state at meetings seeks out.
    The third - offers to reward with nominal weapons the production of a potential enemy.
    Here's another one. With gray matter quite a skiff. There is an ancient truth - "Who betrayed once ..." I hope this people's choice will be able to continue the saying himself. Although, I'm afraid it's unlikely, because. to be under the strict guidance of Comrade Volfovich. And this individual is positioned as Thomas - not remembering kinship. Dad is a lawyer. And that's it.
  31. erased
    erased 7 August 2014 10: 55
    0
    More than a strange policy of the Russian authorities is to treat, financially support and send Nazi bastards back home, so that later they again go to kill people. Indeed, it seems that the Russian Federation is fighting on the side of the ukronazists. Yes, there is a factor of demoralization in the ranks of the Natsiks. But there is a game: border-Russia-treatment-home-to battle! The whole hotel was taken to Natsik in the Rostov region for treatment. And militias are not always even operated on.
    What column is this? Fifth, hundredth?
  32. Citromon
    Citromon 7 August 2014 10: 55
    0
    The idea is clear, but the bill is not even clumsy, but idiotic ...
    Too much, but from the persecution of the families of the transferred military personnel, to the simple ignorance of the existence of this law in connection with the information blockade in the Ukrainian army
  33. Gorbtk
    Gorbtk 7 August 2014 10: 56
    0
    Some crap. It seems that the Duma has decided all the issues in the country and they have nothing to do ...
    And as for the law - Why are Russia traitors (a person betraying him once, a second time it makes it much easier, without emotional hesitation). So why do we, good taxpayers, also feed the army of traitors. And the financial part of the law was calculated by this state figure ... Where to get money to finance this project.

    Like a joke: The law has been passed. The next day, 10 million Chinese troops will line up on the Russian-Chinese border with the requirement to comply with the law of the Russian Federation in terms of their resettlement in the Far East, to allocate apartments for everyone, to give work and to train at the expense of the state in institutions. Yes, and no war is needed ...
  34. tomcat117
    tomcat117 7 August 2014 10: 56
    +1
    The crest is really something "unearthly"
    -I don’t eat anything, I bite
    my hut with the edge
    -the bad godfather that was not with godfather
    -when a crest was born, a Jew cried
    -where the crest passed - there is nothing for the Jew to do
    -the crest is more stupid than a raven, but a tricker
  35. Koshel2901
    Koshel2901 7 August 2014 10: 56
    +1
    I don’t understand this practice of taking ukrov on my side, and after feeding, washing them they send them back to Ukraine, full. If you take them with the condition that they work for six months somewhere in Siberia at construction sites. And it turns out that we are paying for these f * ck escaped from militias. They do not want to surrender to the militias and they knew what they were going to, and we also do not need them. A Diagtyarev full or provocateur.
  36. Sinbad
    Sinbad 7 August 2014 10: 56
    +1
    This deputy, but an ordinary in the construction battalion for two years. But seriously: why do we need another fifth column.
  37. Volxov
    Volxov 7 August 2014 10: 58
    -1
    Forests burn in Sweden, ISIS sets in Syria, a crisis in Libya - that’s why the Ukrainian military and refugees are needed.
    Rothschild will send an order to mobilize 100500 people, and who will not be sent - Ukrainians will not have to go to the deputies, so the leadership really needs Ukrainians.
  38. DartVerter
    DartVerter 7 August 2014 10: 58
    0
    LDPR no longer knows what garbage to freeze. Either they’ll bind to a pipyska on a hundred-ruble note (but I didn’t even know what it was there, I didn’t consider it), now now this ... Are clowns costing us too much?
  39. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 7 August 2014 10: 59
    +1
    "Pay for retraining ..." - but XXX, a shovel in hand - and "raise" agriculture! ..
  40. radar1967
    radar1967 7 August 2014 10: 59
    -7
    This is one of Putin's ingenious asymmetric solutions!
    If you manage to pass this law, it will be VICTORY! Not a lot, not a little, but the MOST REAL VICTORY!
    In all respects, without exception. Only marginals do not understand this. Lord, help me pass this law !!!
    It will be the VICTORY OF RUSSIA IN ALL FUTURE WARS!
    And hardly anyone will want to fight us after that ...
    1. sergeybulkin
      sergeybulkin 7 August 2014 11: 13
      0
      What is the victory? Victory over common sense?
      So we’ll only settle a new fifth column at home, we will feed. We are rich pancake! And we are not afraid of anything and nobody.
      1. radar1967
        radar1967 9 August 2014 07: 38
        0
        Quote: sergeybulkin
        What is the victory? Victory over common sense?
        So we’ll only settle a new fifth column at home, we will feed. We are rich pancake! And we are not afraid of anything and nobody.

        Calm down, brother. We have not only a long time ago not only the fifth, but also the sixth and seventh pillars are well fed in such numbers that if you knew, then ohhigelby!
        A naive forest resident (from the picture), I am glad that someday this law will save the life of your son. Understand that Ukraine after the adoption of this law will never attack the Crimea. He doesn’t want to be left without an army. As in the future, all of Europe. And you can see the fifth column right from the window ... laughing
  41. BOB044
    BOB044 7 August 2014 11: 01
    +2
    Mikhail Degtyarev. I would pass a law on the exchange of such deputies for militias captured. More sense. And the warriors who simply managed to manage and fled through Russia, and then again they will start inviting them to fight for the loot. It’s necessary not to PR and sometimes to think with your head.
  42. sergeybulkin
    sergeybulkin 7 August 2014 11: 07
    +1
    They are that, there in the Duma completely fucked up ??? With what fright are such benefits to Koklah defectors ???
    Yesterday they were still yelling at all the intersections of the m-skalyaku on the gilyaka, and they pressed on the neck so to run, where there is a quiet and well-fed freebie !!!
    Why not be judged as war criminals, they are not even military - just a gang.
    We have our homeless and unemployed, what is already gone ???
  43. veteran56
    veteran56 7 August 2014 11: 07
    +1
    Another nonsense of Zhirinovsky and his team!
  44. VSZMK
    VSZMK 7 August 2014 11: 10
    0
    [quote = Sinbad] This deputy, but an ordinary in a construction battalion for two years.
    Two left him.
  45. Merlin
    Merlin 7 August 2014 11: 10
    0
    Full crap !! Military personnel of a belligerent state, upon transition to the territory of a neutral state, must be interned, upon transition to the territory of a belligerent state are considered prisoners of war. That's all love and no fiction is needed.
  46. OlegSp
    OlegSp 7 August 2014 11: 12
    0
    Yes, it is necessary to drive such deputies into the street, the broom in their hands. How was Dektaryov able to think of this? ..... smokes, or what?
  47. sergey05
    sergey05 7 August 2014 11: 13
    +2
    and this scoundrel Degtyarev. we don’t have enough money to provide housing for our Russian officers, and he still wants to bring blacks, Tajiks, Chinese and others to our neck. And so already everyone is shaking about one thought about a future tax increase. I am silent about pension savings. I think I just won’t live up to retirement. if you look at the pace of retirement age.
  48. Baloo
    Baloo 7 August 2014 11: 13
    +2
    I did not serve, but as a taxpayer and a citizen against. These uh ... they abandoned their homeland, betrayed, to fight for justice and freedom from the fascists and Banderlog, they chickened out, came running to us, the "aggressors", so now they are fed and benefits? Where are the guarantees that they will carry out their service honestly and conscientiously, adequately enduring the hardships of military service? I'm against. Let them return and fight with the militias
  49. polkownik1
    polkownik1 7 August 2014 11: 14
    +3
    Do not like the power and criminal orders? Let him turn the gun in the other direction and restore order at home.
    1. Alex
      Alex 7 August 2014 16: 32
      +3
      Quote: polkownik1
      Do not like the power and criminal orders? Let him turn the gun in the other direction and restore order at home.

      Truly so! And then they will run across the border back and forth. And they’ll come up with some business: it will become from these zapadents.
  50. Tanysh
    Tanysh 7 August 2014 11: 14
    0
    Even the Germans, after all the checks, were used to restore the destroyed cities. So ukrovoyaki need to be given work, not benefits. Life saved is a reward for junta crimes. It’s just that beneficiaries live well, but what about those who escaped from them?
    1. Crimea-nyash
      Crimea-nyash 8 August 2014 18: 01
      0
      Now it’s very important that the Ukrainian army simply escaped to Russia in full force. We must adopt this law and distribute it in the form of leaflets throughout Ukraine. So that the Soldaten und Ukraine knew that it was possible and necessary to flee from war and from impending poverty .. and from them form an army for the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazi invaders. especially this army will be relevant in the spring of 2015.
      1. Ugrumiy
        Ugrumiy 9 August 2014 12: 09
        +1
        What for they are needed here! Let it be better to surrender voluntarily to militias with the transfer of equipment and weapons, knowing that it is not possible to flush to Russia, but being afraid to be completely destroyed on its territory, or interned and imprisoned in the Russian Federation!