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Josh Ernest: Sanctions could not change the course of Russia

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4 on August, White House spokesman Josh Ernest said that the US and Western countries' sanctions, which were imposed against the Russian Federation, had no effect on Moscow’s policy.

Josh Ernest: Sanctions could not change the course of Russia


“There are a number of indicators that demonstrate the impact of the sanctions regime on the economy. As for its influence on the calculations of the regime (of President Vladimir Putin of Russia) with respect to Ukraine, we did not see any actions that we would like to see, ”Ernest quotes. "Lenta.ru".

He noted that Washington continues to urge Moscow to stop "destabilizing actions along the border with Ukraine, which led to the escalation of the conflict." According to the White House, Russia should influence the militias so that they "observe the cease-fire and strive for a diplomatic resolution of the conflict." In addition, the United States does not observe initiatives to close Russian borders from the transport of heavy weapons to the territory of Ukraine.

RBC notes that this week the United States plans to introduce the sanctions promised earlier against the oil industry of the Russian Federation, which will limit the supply of equipment for unconventional oil production methods. The new export policy was approved by US Deputy Minister of Commerce Erik Hirshhorn on August 1, but it will work on August 6 after entering the Federal Register.
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  1. mig31
    mig31 5 August 2014 11: 28
    +76
    Sanctions are changing the course of the world and not a single state, d ... bi .... s
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 5 August 2014 11: 29
      +165
      And what was hoping that Russia would become obedient? Gorbachev and Yeltsin are not in power, the game of giveaways is over!
      1. Vik.Tor
        Vik.Tor 5 August 2014 11: 36
        +57
        No, they hoped to just give a damn about Russia, not let them into the Arctic, remove them from world markets.
        1. Bodrov
          Bodrov 5 August 2014 11: 47
          +183
          We didn’t ask to love Russia,
          Your love for us is not a problem.
          If you do not like Russia,
          There is a road "x ..", gentlemen!
          1. Deff
            Deff 5 August 2014 12: 02
            +38
            The regime of tough sanctions forces a purge, possibly a change of government, because the forced deoffshorization and a sovereign national bank are clearly contrary to the interests and attitudes of the current elite, and without this transformation, Russia as a sovereign power cannot survive.
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            2. volodyk50
              volodyk50 5 August 2014 15: 34
              +28
              clearly contrary to the interests and attitudes of the current elite


              Let me argue, you won't please everyone this way, yes, but it has long been no secret that today the GDP rating is at its maximum, it is supported by both the people and the so-called "elite". Moreover, 80% of the latter supporting the opposition in 2012 changed their point of view and today support the president's policy. And let the remaining 20 be brought down, no one is holding them. Those who want to live in their country have long heard the president about the withdrawal of funds from abroad and investments in domestic business, who are against - well, this is their business, everyone was warned. The "elite" may have gotten used to living on a grand scale, but in fact they are the same people as everyone else, even if there is still a wall separating the rich and the very rich, the main thing is that we now have one goal, not to shame our homeland, everyone will try to do it at your own level.
              1. Shoma-1970
                Shoma-1970 5 August 2014 16: 09
                +4
                support!
              2. Shoma-1970
                Shoma-1970 5 August 2014 16: 10
                0
                Putin is handsome!
              3. Shoma-1970
                Shoma-1970 5 August 2014 16: 12
                +6
                if the west is bustling, then Putin is doing everything right!
                1. xbhxbr-777
                  xbhxbr-777 5 August 2014 16: 58
                  +6
                  Yes sir!!! To the very point! Glory to Putin and our Russia !!!
                2. papik09
                  papik09 6 August 2014 06: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Shoma-1970
                  if the west is bustlingthen Putin is doing everything right!


                  A fuss under the client is bad for health laughing drinks
              4. Deff
                Deff 5 August 2014 16: 25
                +6
                Hmm, the current situation of the position to support New Russia suggests otherwise.
                This elite support of NR by our elite and the fear of sanctions, and hopefully will carry. For sanctions will be all the way even when the surrender of New Russia. And I’m sure that after NR there will be Crimea, because only it assumes the rationale for dubbed the economy, plus subsidies from the US and NATO for the war, and the very need for ongoing mobilization.
                1. DV69
                  DV69 5 August 2014 20: 01
                  +8
                  No one is afraid of sanctions. No one wants to fulfill the US plan to draw Russia into the war in Ukraine. And do not raise a panic. Everything will turn out as it should.
                2. ti_rex76
                  ti_rex76 5 August 2014 22: 30
                  +2
                  Will be after HP. The key word is "after". I am not completely sure what "after" will be. Well, even if we assume the worst case scenario, I very much doubt that the Ukrainians will dare to fight with us. I am afraid that in the near future the Ukrainians will have to frantically resolve economic issues. Before the cold weather is not long. The money is sorely lacking. Gas is in terrible shortage. And then Klitschko offers all Kiev to be heated with firewood in winter. The reaction of the electorate can be extremely inadequate.
              5. Marisat
                Marisat 5 August 2014 17: 45
                +17
                At 97 my distant relatives left for America, settled down not badly (comparatively), but they honestly say "we are the third grade after blacks and Mexicans", and our oligarchs seem to be puffed up at home, the smart ones have long understood that they are not the first grade, especially when there is no Russian bear behind.
                1. air wolf
                  air wolf 5 August 2014 19: 24
                  +11
                  So I’ve been saying for a long time, we don’t need anyone for hell, only for organs)))
              6. old man54
                old man54 5 August 2014 22: 59
                0
                Quote: volodyk50
                the GDP rating is at its maximum, it is supported by both the people and the so-called "elite".

                you distort the facts so easily, dear ... fellow 80% of confidence was in March and in April, after reunification with Crimea, this is YES! But from the beginning of June, when it was clear to many not stupid and very patriotic Russians that the Kremlin was throwing the Bandera junta Donbass and Russians there to eat, its rating gradually but surely went down! And this is a fact carefully concealed by the Kremlin’s political strategists. This is indirectly indicated by the fact that there were no triumphant broadcasts on TV on the topic of the President’s rating already in this period. request I’m generally silent about July. And if, with the shameful silent assistance of the GDP, and it is precisely the assistance, the resistance will be destroyed on the Drnbass, then after its final cleanup, I am sure that Putin will get a stable and consolidated opposition, but aggressive and energetic, unlike the current one, already in the person of the patriotic part of the population! It is precisely the patriotic part that so warmly welcomed Putin’s steps towards the Crimea in March, and the trust that the President is so progressively and confidently losing today. hi
                1. DV69
                  DV69 5 August 2014 23: 27
                  +3
                  And how confidently went down? And let's get the numbers.
                  I agree that many do not understand why troops were not brought into the Southeast? However, Putin will not receive any consolidated opposition, but aggressive and energetic, unlike the present, in the person of the patiriotic part of the population. Maidan - a good vaccine against stupidity.
                  1. Wheel
                    Wheel 6 August 2014 01: 08
                    0
                    Quote: DV69
                    However, Putin will not receive any consolidated opposition, but aggressive and energetic, unlike the present, in the person of the patiriotic part of the population. Maidan - a good vaccine against stupidity.

                    Just give you the Maidan. laughing
                    But the fact that the euphoria passes is an indisputable fact.
                    There is indifference from which, under appropriate conditions, one step to bitterness.
                    But with careful policy they will endure, as they endured before the Ukrainian events. But it will only be architruck to believe again.
          2. Alex peter
            Alex peter 5 August 2014 12: 39
            +5
            You can’t say better
          3. Shoma-1970
            Shoma-1970 5 August 2014 16: 07
            +2
            Bodrov, I apologize I want to ask what kind of swastika is this?
            1. Bodrov
              Bodrov 5 August 2014 17: 52
              +3
              Quote: Shoma-1970
              Bodrov, I apologize I want to ask what kind of swastika is this?


              Preserved Valkyrie.
          4. papik09
            papik09 6 August 2014 06: 20
            0
            Quote: Bodrov
            We didn’t ask to love Russia,
            Your love for us is not a problem.
            If you do not like Russia,
            There is a road "x ..", gentlemen!

            hi
            Without rhyme, but .. and such an answer to GDP is possible feel
            Write down all claims against me on a piece of paper - make an airplane ... AND FLY TO X ...! Happy flying you and your passengers!!!
        2. asar
          asar 5 August 2014 12: 14
          +3
          Pugs broke! Take a look upstairs - as if inadvertently an elephant had not stepped on! laughing
          1. Makarych
            Makarych 5 August 2014 22: 00
            +4
            not a complete list of "mosek" is attached
            1. DV69
              DV69 5 August 2014 22: 11
              +1
              I saw a similar poster from the time of the second Chechen one. So on it all those who went down in history were crossed out with the dating of the last farewell. I think some corrections can be made to this work.
            2. ti_rex76
              ti_rex76 5 August 2014 22: 35
              +2
              Kernes is superfluous in your alphabet. He is now openly accusing Avakov of organizing an attempt. But Nuland is clearly not enough.
              1. DV69
                DV69 5 August 2014 23: 22
                +1
                Present something, and when with his sidekick - the governor of the Kharkov region. Dobkin, the people gathered in February and so sweetly, in two voices, "Bandera will not go to the East."
                People gathered for the meeting, highlighted and there are no more (at that time) leaders in the east.
                But Avakov - this is him in business, there’s nothing personal.
                About Nuland I agree.
            3. ddd1975
              ddd1975 6 August 2014 06: 30
              0
              forgot "b" - cross out ....
      2. portoc65
        portoc65 5 August 2014 11: 37
        +83
        Russia will soon be grateful for the sanctions. Thanks to them, we will really become independent and patrically more united ... everything that is not done against us will turn against themselves.
        1. Roman1970
          Roman1970 5 August 2014 11: 49
          +18
          Quote: portoc65
          Russia will soon be grateful for the sanctions. Thanks to them, we will really become independent and patrically more united ... everything that is not done against us will turn against themselves.

          Already turns around, at least for Europe. They will try to push further, Europeans, seeing financial losses, according to the logic of things should be outraged. So war is war, and money is a love account.
          1. mirag2
            mirag2 5 August 2014 12: 03
            +6
            Yes, no, all the same, sensing the consequences of the sanctions, Europe will blame Russia for this, because they put into their heads the thesis about Russia's fault - what is happening in Ukraine, and therefore for the consequences!
            1. 1812 1945
              1812 1945 5 August 2014 13: 05
              +10
              Quote: mirag2
              Yes, no, all the same, sensing the consequences of the sanctions, Europe will blame Russia for this, because they put into their heads the thesis about Russia's fault - what is happening in Ukraine, and therefore for the consequences!

              The European political and business elite are not Khokhlushki - housewives listening and watching TV and radio channels of Kalomoisky. Pindo..sovsky whip played a role in the EU's accession to the sanctions. But the EU was promised a carrot too. Moral - ethical, moral aspects of everything that happens they worry very little, and those who will be profitable will be far-fetched. If Russia clearly demonstrates that, in addition to the American whip, they can only get mold from stale goods, then the sanctions will end and the charges will end. They are very "pragmatic" "worried about democracy and humanism" in our time.
              1. Rebus
                Rebus 5 August 2014 19: 52
                +2
                Quote: 1812 1945
                If Russia clearly demonstrates that, in addition to the American whip, they can only get mold from stale goods, then the sanctions will end and the charges will end. They are very "pragmatic" "worried about democracy and humanism" in our time.

                Response sanctions are already being worked out:
                Moscow. 5th of August. INTERFAX.RU - Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the government to work out measures in response to the sanctions imposed by Western countries against Russia. “I have already formulated such an order today,” the president said during a working meeting with Acting Governor of the Voronezh Region Alexei Gordeev.

                At the same time, Putin stated the need to take into account the interests of both domestic producers and consumers. “Of course, this must be done very carefully in order to support domestic producers, but not harm consumers,” the president said.

                See the original material at http://www.interfax.ru/business/389724

                So, not only the sanctions of the West, in the West, will be beaten, but ours will be thrilled ....
                1. Virrid
                  Virrid 6 August 2014 01: 01
                  +4
                  I agree!! and here's what else to pay attention to !!! (2 TOUR FIRMS BURST !!!) the flow of tourists to Europe (abroad) will leave !! THIS IS A REAL EUROPEAN BUSINESS SECTOR !!! (the so-called real sector of the economy) and it hits hard not only because of the well-being of individual services sectors and small business .... but also to filling budgets! European countries !!!! Secondly, people will go to rest! but in Crimea or Sochi! (it is very desirable but not a fact (((...) OUR SANCTIONS ARE STRONGER AND BATTERY !!!!! AND YET STILL REMAINS THAN OFFERED TO US NOW ... the sanctions that have been applied to us have a long time span (it takes time to strangle us) ( equipment supply .... RENEWING !!! banks .. AGREEMENT WITH CHINA AND almost INDIA with gas) SYRIA in our orbit of influence for a long time !!! Cuba (intelligence center wakes up under our command) and Forgot about SPACE? ANGARA flew !! ! and the fleet ??? SEVERODVINSK submarine in '10 and Novorossiysk in this? everything is put on the rails of construction sites! (AMAZING AND NEEDED TECHNOLOGICAL AND MILITARY STRUCTURES!) I do not mention the BRICS and CUSTOMS president went on the offensive everywhere ... !! HIM TO SUPPORT THIS UNPRECEDENTED LOAD OF RESPONSIBILITY and not be afraid of failures ... (although he is just not shy with us))) ....)
                  1. DV69
                    DV69 6 August 2014 01: 05
                    0
                    All to the heap. A set of information.
                    1. Virrid
                      Virrid 6 August 2014 01: 09
                      +1
                      why set? facts...
            2. Kent0001
              Kent0001 5 August 2014 16: 20
              0
              First, let the black heels stop licking, and there you look and Russia has nothing to do with it.
          2. Past_ Crocodile
            Past_ Crocodile 5 August 2014 13: 27
            +6
            Europe is an ochlocrat's viper - if only they would not touch Arabs and sexual minorities. Those who work and who are affected by the sanctions are in the minority. Germany is generally occupied by the United States, and the Germans pin Dos to one place.
          3. ti_rex76
            ti_rex76 5 August 2014 22: 38
            0
            But they will not be indignant and continue their rotten policy, we turn off the gas. That damn interesting to see how they run in.
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        3. Warlock_r
          Warlock_r 5 August 2014 11: 57
          +41
          Quote: portoc65
          Russia will soon be grateful for the sanctions. Thanks to them, we will really become independent and patrically more united ... everything that is not done against us will turn against themselves.


          Only now it will hurt.

          1. On the oil industry - the equipment is outdated, the owners did not even scratch their heads. Well, right, before the thunder did not strike. But GDP at one time spoke of the need for modernization.

          2. Agriculture has been systematically destroyed, and is still being destroyed. Enterprises that actually worked - go bankrupt. First bought / captured, and then go bankrupt.

          3. Engineering killed. Those machines that are - either purchased abroad, or miraculously remained from the time of the USSR.

          4. New factories are practically not being built and nobody really wants to work there: it is much better to sit on, sorry, ass, in the office, to trade, etc. than to work in a factory. Although there are young people in factories. But few, damn little ...

          But when we overcome this ass, then happiness will come. And in order to overcome it, we must first deal with the oligarchy, for which investing in our science and production is not profitable, and therefore not interesting. And it’s easier to sell oil to the west (or China, not fundamentally in this case) than to make high-quality products from it and sell them already. That’s why our gasoline prices are rising, and that’s why it makes no sense to modernize production. In principle, wherever you go, the same thing is everywhere.
          1. Valestine
            Valestine 5 August 2014 12: 08
            +23
            Consequently, there is only one way out - a military dictatorship, which will solve the following problems: the return of the state monopoly on alcohol and tobacco products, the thoughtful nationalization of heavy industry and precision engineering enterprises, and the domestic reorganization of national traitors. And there is no other way!
          2. mirag2
            mirag2 5 August 2014 12: 17
            +19
            I do not agree!
            1. In the oil industry, not the equipment is outdated, but there are no new technologies for the extraction of hydrocarbons on the shelf,
            2. agricultural in the USSR was not profitable, now it is actually rising (grain imports from Khrushchev to Gorbachev), now it is very voluminous export of it, and other agricultural sectors, too. Although it’s like, but without subsidies from the state now it lives — and the area is increasing — a man from the Bryansk region told.
            3. Machine tool building is also there - which, frankly speaking, I am surprised - even that year Medvedev was engaged in this. Naturally, the latest technologies are not here. Well, 3D printers laughing
            4.If factories, construction sites, transport, etc. they won’t work, then there will be no one to trade in offices either, because there will be SOMEONE to buy from them!
            Lord and the price of gasoline, and what? The price of gasoline inside Russia depends on the situation on the world market, because Russia, the EXPORTER of oil, and here plays a role, WHAT is more profitable, to sell oil on the foreign market or on the domestic !!!!
            Where did you get these ideas?
            1. Nikolaitch
              Nikolaitch 5 August 2014 13: 02
              0
              Quote: mirag2
              I do not agree!
              1. In the oil industry, not the equipment is outdated, but there are no new technologies for the extraction of hydrocarbons on the shelf,
              2. agricultural in the USSR was not profitable, now it is actually rising (grain imports from Khrushchev to Gorbachev), now it is very voluminous export of it, and other agricultural sectors, too. Although it’s like, but without subsidies from the state now it lives — and the area is increasing — a man from the Bryansk region told.
              3. Machine tool building is also there - which, frankly speaking, I am surprised - even that year Medvedev was engaged in this. Naturally, the latest technologies are not here. Well, 3D printers laughing
              4.If factories, construction sites, transport, etc. they won’t work, then there will be no one to trade in offices either, because there will be SOMEONE to buy from them!
              Lord and the price of gasoline, and what? The price of gasoline inside Russia depends on the situation on the world market, because Russia, the EXPORTER of oil, and here plays a role, WHAT is more profitable, to sell oil on the foreign market or on the domestic !!!!
              Where did you get these ideas?


              1. doubtful. unproven)
              2. The USSR distilled all the "excess" grain for livestock feed; an increase in its own livestock raising, Russia drives raw materials to the west, when there is nothing to feed its cows, livestock and milk yield are declining. The profitability in the USSR and the thoughts on profitability were clearly different.
              3. One has to be surprised at all that all this and Russia still exist, although according to the plans of the West, everything should already have been ruined for a long time
              4. Russia, in principle, can be a transit country)) without producing anything, and even if everyone moves to offices, it will be possible to live. It is only necessary to bend correctly. There are successful examples in the post-Soviet space)
              I agree with gasoline and oil, we now have capitalism.
              It is necessary to change the social system if we want to get out of this pit and still pull out others.
              1. Serbor
                Serbor 5 August 2014 14: 16
                +14
                We got minded. What about the rest? The overwhelming majority of VO users are illiterate people. They have not the slightest idea about dialectical materialism, about the theory of capitalism and the development of the state and revolutionary situations. Poor comrades studied classics in schools and universities. But everything was written long ago and nothing has changed. In VI Lenin, everything is clearly arranged in its place. But I don't want to think with my head. And why ?. It's easier to read about tank biathlon and shout "Russia - forward" and earn 100500 +.
                1. Goga101
                  Goga101 5 August 2014 21: 14
                  +3
                  Serbor - Have you read Lenin yourself? Or as a true political officer, only according to the manuals - Huh? And you try to seriously read his "works" - wonder what he does there - to the same question, in different publications, depending on the situation - diametrically opposite answers hi And you call it "everything is clearly arranged"? What nafig "revolutionary situation"? In 1905 and in 1917, Jacob Schiff and Warburgs paid for it - so a "r. Situation" arose, just like now in Ukraine, there is also a "r. Situation", or the Washington Regional Committee paid - Huh?
                  "Leninists", damn it in captivity, you will remember for 37 years, when all this infection was uprooted ... angry
            2. Warlock_r
              Warlock_r 5 August 2014 13: 28
              +6
              1. I admit that the production equipment is not outdated, but in this case I had in mind not only it, but also processing equipment.

              2. Agricultural in the USSR was not profitable, I admit. But nevertheless, I am not sure that in the days of the USSR, the volumes of imports of meat, poultry, and grain were comparable with current volumes. Especially in terms of meat. For grain - I agree, it seems to me that is the only thing we export. As for the area: in the Bryansk region, it may increase, but only in the Samara region and the Ulyanovsk region there are quite a few fields that were sown, but there was not enough money to collect the crop. So far, since last year. Poultry farms (in the Samara region) are closed because of bankruptcy. I don’t argue, maybe there are positive trends somewhere, but I’m not sure which ones are more positive or negative.

              3. Now the machine tool industry. If there is, that's great. This is just great. But again, a nuance, what is the point of building your own machines if their technological level is equal to the last century? Better then they will not work. And specialists who on ancient machines are able to produce parts at the highest level - one, two, and miscalculated.

              4. We do not consider construction and transport, because these industries work, and I did not talk about them. But about the plants ... It's more complicated. What percentage of domestic goods is sold by stores, and what is imported? If we exclude imported goods, then, I am afraid, our factories simply will not be able to fill the storehouses (even if they provide a sufficient assortment). And we will return in times of shortage, lines and coupons.

              Now about oil exports. Which is more profitable: to export crude oil, or its high-tech derivatives: fuel, oils, plastics ... what else is made of oil. And what about the efficiency of our refineries? Why do we have - in the region of 70%, while the same "stupid Americans" - over 90%? Equipment plays an important role here.

              Well, gas prices are just a painful topic. feel
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              2. Wheel
                Wheel 6 August 2014 02: 35
                +1
                Quote: Warlock_r
                2. Agricultural in the USSR was not profitable, I admit.

                In general, it was quite cost-effective.
                Quote: Warlock_r
                3. Now the machine tool industry. If there is, that's great. This is just great. But again, a nuance, what is the point of building your own machines if their technological level is equal to the last century? Better then they will not work. And specialists who on ancient machines are able to produce parts at the highest level - one, two, and miscalculated.

                And nothing has changed in machines over the past 60 years, well, except for the CNC.
                The same CNC machines were quite successfully made during the USSR, they still work.
                Only now we do not have machine tools ...
                Quote: Warlock_r
                If we exclude imported goods, then, I am afraid, our plants simply will not be able to fill the storehouses (even if they provide a sufficient assortment). And we will return in times of shortage, lines and coupons.
                Not even a question. Almost nothing is produced from consumer goods.
                Quote: Warlock_r
                And what about the efficiency of our refineries? Why do we have - in the region of 70%, while the same "stupid Americans" - over 90%?

                Do you mean the depth of processing?
                So everything is simple here. Yusers work mainly on light oil, and our oil is heavy.
            3. Hey
              Hey 5 August 2014 14: 08
              +12
              I am from the Bryansk region, I confirm, "Mirotorg" is coming, my soul rejoices, every year more and more land plots are put into circulation. Many drivers on private trucks go to them for a part-time job, they earn good money. Hay in rolls in cellophane, wrapped and transported neatly, the fields are leveled, the underbrush is uprooted, plowed, grain is planted. Security on the "Niva". All in the mind. And the local began to stir, the competitor was coming.
            4. alexander 2
              alexander 2 5 August 2014 16: 44
              +6
              As for oil: it is necessary to introduce such duties that it would be more profitable to sell here and not abroad. And the deeper the processing, the more profitable the sale. This applies not only to oil but also to other goods. High-tech products should generally be exempt from duties. It should be much more profitable to produce goods than to sell them.
              Well, the fight against corruption should be in fact, and not in words and at the highest level. Sorry that is not the topic, but it is boiling.
              PS. And sanctions should have an impact, but the reverse of what Washington hoped to get.
              1. Wheel
                Wheel 6 August 2014 02: 37
                +3
                Quote: Alexander 2
                It should be much more profitable to produce goods than to sell them.

                To do this, fundamentally change the economic policy.
                In particular, taxation.
            5. jPilot
              jPilot 5 August 2014 18: 00
              +9
              1. In order for there to be new technologies, it is necessary to develop science and invest money in it, and with us money is laid out only in what can give an immediate result, that is, buy and sell, new equipment is purchased only where the old one has already collapsed and basically work on USSR equipment.
              2. About agricultural it is not necessary to sing songs when the USSR purchased feed grain ie fodder. About now there is no rise, I see it almost every day when I fly, you can’t even imagine how many abandoned fields from the Volga and beyond the Urals (where I flew) I even wanted to take a picture on the camera and put it on the net, which was brought to the farm for 3 year of flights by a private pilot, the situation has not changed, today only saw the huge abandoned fields. Now, about animal husbandry in almost every village there are abandoned, dilapidated farms, not of old buildings, namely, the end of the 80s. There were very few cattle in general; somehow, a passenger flew from the Urals to the Volga; there was nothing to consider. Herds of cattle counted only 6, and there were not very large herds.
              So if there is an opportunity to fly a helicopter not in Moscow you will see many interesting things. To raise the country of work, the sea is not plowed, and 80% of the rise has already been laid during the USSR ......
              In addition, the US must be destroyed
              1. Fat frayer
                Fat frayer 5 August 2014 20: 00
                0
                From States And it is they, not him.
            6. Goga101
              Goga101 5 August 2014 21: 04
              +4
              mirag2 - gasoline prices are still more fun than you wrote - they depend very little on the "world market conditions", simply because much more than half of the price is taxes (excise).
              And about the factories - WarLock_r - when was the last time they passed the plant? On the net, look at least what’s being done in Yelabug, but I don’t need to get into the network - I’m a builder and I’m participating in the expansion of our aircraft factory and I don’t know which machines there are not from social networks ...
              alarmists, again - "everything is gone !!!" , open your eyes, but not into the computer screen, but into real life!
              1. Wheel
                Wheel 6 August 2014 02: 44
                +2
                Quote: Goga101
                And about the factories - WarLock_r - when was the last time they passed the plant? On the net, look at least what’s being done in Yelabug, but I don’t need to get into the network - I’m a builder and I’m participating in the expansion of our aircraft factory and I don’t know which machines there are not from social networks ...

                Goga, do not see the forest beyond the trees - this is so usual!
                Count how many aircraft plants are left only in your memories, and then get excited.
                Skoka-Skoka Russia produces passenger aircraft per year?
                When the Union did more per month!
                And the rest is the same.
              2. Warlock_r
                Warlock_r 6 August 2014 08: 33
                +1
                Quote: Goga101
                And about the factories - WarLock_r - when was the last time they passed the plant?


                Literally this weekend I walked past the former ZIM (now a shopping and entertainment complex), GPP 4 (the remaining buildings are currently being disassembled, which will be - xs, but probably at home).

                But I can’t but give credit: the electrical panel is working, gaining young specialists. Aviakor is working, gaining young specialists.

                Everything is very complicated with factories, many of those that are opening are really nothing more than assembly shops.
            7. Wheel
              Wheel 6 August 2014 02: 23
              +3
              Quote: mirag2
              I do not agree!

              And in vain!
              You need to work a little with your head to understand the essence of the issues.

              Quote: mirag2

              1. In the oil industry, not the equipment is outdated, but there are no new technologies for the extraction of hydrocarbons on the shelf,
              Well, how can I tell you?
              We have a nearby drilling rig of the 70s, but new trailers!
              2. Let's not repeat liberal tales. The nearest former state farm under the Soviets and built housing, and the sanatorium with a pioneer camp was in the Crimea. And this was only possible with profit, if Che.
              Regarding grain exports. The grain harvest in Russia did not reach that level in the RSFSR, but the USSR imported grain and Russia exported. Paradox? Not! The fact is that meat production has fallen catastrophically, namely, animal husbandry was the main consumer.
              In general, agricultural production now amounts to about 70% of that in the RSFSR.
              3. Is there a machine tool industry? Where? Call me a working factory!
              4. No comment, because nonsense.
              Quote: mirag2
              Lord and the price of gasoline, and what? The price of gasoline inside Russia depends on the situation on the world market, because Russia, the EXPORTER of oil, and here plays a role, WHAT is more profitable, to sell oil on the foreign market or on the domestic !!!!
              So again with a finger to the sky. The main share of the price of fuel and lubricants is excise taxes.
          3. Varyag_1973
            Varyag_1973 5 August 2014 12: 22
            +14
            For WarLock_r. Well, do not be so pessimistic! Yes, much has been lost, machine tool standing has been killed, training in all sectors is lame, but not everything is so sad! The agricultural complex is not in such a pope, the grain yield is excellent, especially in the Krasnodar Territory! The embargo on vegetables and fruits from Poland, Moldova and Ukraine, may well spur its producers, also applies to the meat complex! According to modernization, I can say that it is in full swing at our aluminum plant, this year we have bought a new press (though Italian), now commissioning is in progress, the same thing at a neighboring enterprise (only the press is again Spanish)! It is necessary to revive the machine tool industry, and urgently! It is necessary to recreate the school for training personnel, first of all, specialized technical schools, technicians are extremely lacking, and there is a problem with locksmiths. Finding an experienced locksmith is harder than finding a competent accountant! But Russia was not so worried! We need a new industrialization, if we can carry it out, then we will not be afraid of any sanctions and no FSA!
            1. Warlock_r
              Warlock_r 5 August 2014 14: 01
              +7
              And I'm not saying that everything is completely bad.
              Production is slowly being revived, only slowly, leisurely. And therefore, as often happens, with a delay.
              Well, again, sanctions should cool the process, for the choice will be either your own or someone else's, but at an exorbitant price.
            2. gal
              gal 5 August 2014 14: 40
              +8
              It seems necessary to take into account that the lion's share of the production of "imported" products are located in the Russian territory. There are relatively new enterprises and there are "stolen" privatized and modernized ones.
              I remember at the dawn of the current sanctions, they said this:
              - The country that has announced sanctions to us risks losing its assets in Russia.
            3. Wheel
              Wheel 6 August 2014 02: 49
              +3
              Quote: Varyag_1973
              The embargo on vegetables and fruits from Poland, Moldova and Ukraine, may well spur its producers, also applies to the meat complex!
              If these positions could give a return at once, the trees have such a bouncy essence that for at least three years they simply grow and do not bear fruit, and the cows bring a calf a year.
              Who will be invested in the future 3-5 years?
              After 3 months, the sanctions will be lifted and everything will return to normal ...
          4. mark_rod
            mark_rod 5 August 2014 12: 28
            +23
            Complete nonsense! From 2012 to 2014, Russia built from scratch and launched more than 2000 new production facilities! Moreover, not in the manufacture of bush legs, but in high-tech fields - metallurgy, machine tool building, etc. And at present, from 20 to 50 new plants and factories open every month in Russia! Forget about the raw materials appendage! Yes, hydrocarbons bring significant profits, but to say that Russia is only engaged, that their sale is fundamentally wrong! Do not mislead the people!
            1. UREC
              UREC 5 August 2014 13: 50
              +10
              Where? Where new businesses open! In our town of Shebekino, Belgorod Region, practically ALL large enterprises are collapsed!
              1. 23 region
                23 region 5 August 2014 16: 17
                +5
                Quote: UREC
                Where? Where new businesses open! In our town of Shebekino, Belgorod Region, practically ALL large enterprises are collapsed!

                Because they are not profitable. For example, 1977 the USSR produced 10 million tractor and increased production. Produced more than the USA, Germany, ENGLAND, FRANCE. And good quality was not needed (for some reason the tanks did not break), the main thing is not to slow down the output (mobilization readiness), just so much in the agricultural sector was not required, so they rusted "all immense". In our town, "selmash" and "rosselmash" produced so many chains - up to the moon 100 times. It was just that within a couple of days they were ready to switch to the military track, hence the thousands of workers who do not need to be trained. And so for most large enterprises. The country was "sharpened" for a world war.
                1. The Art of War
                  The Art of War 5 August 2014 16: 32
                  +2
                  http://ru.rostselmash.com/ Ростсельмаш fellow well done workers make such a technique for agriculture good
                  1. Warlock_r
                    Warlock_r 6 August 2014 08: 38
                    0
                    Yeah. They only make all this happiness where? Chet is not in Russia ... Why? Here it is interesting to talk about this:
                    http://babkin-k.livejournal.com/182898.html
              2. Iline
                Iline 5 August 2014 17: 52
                +4
                The city of Engels. This year, Bosch opened a new production of domestic and industrial gas boilers (this is in addition to the two existing ones). Bombardier - began construction of a heavy locomotive plant. The French launched a turkey farm in the area. This despite the fact that significant large enterprises in the city after the perestroika survived and are successfully operating. Except, however, chemical fiber.
            2. The Art of War
              The Art of War 5 August 2014 16: 14
              +2
              belay 2000 new industries, you turned it down! Machine tool industry give an example of at least 1 new machine! We still have so many towns not gasified! About the roads, if there are still norms in central Russia, then you go to Siberia with all-wheel drive Kamazs and the Urals! And you need to talk about agriculture urgently raise is the food security of the country!
            3. Wheel
              Wheel 6 August 2014 02: 54
              +3
              Quote: mark_rod
              Complete nonsense! From 2012 to 2014, Russia built from scratch and launched more than 2000 new production facilities! Moreover, not in the manufacture of bush legs, but in high-tech fields - metallurgy, machine tool building, etc. And at present, from 20 to 50 new plants and factories open every month in Russia! Forget about the raw materials appendage! Yes, hydrocarbons bring significant profits, but to say that Russia is only engaged, that their sale is fundamentally wrong! Do not mislead the people!

              Oh come on you!
              Most of these "manufactures" are screwdriver assemblies.
              Especially somehow touched by the message about the launch of a "timber processing plant", which turned out to be an ordinary sawmill for inspection ...
              1. ydjin
                ydjin 6 August 2014 06: 35
                0
                Most of these "manufactures" are screwdriver assemblies.
                Especially somehow touched by the message about the launch of a "timber processing plant", which turned out to be an ordinary sawmill for inspection ... [/ quote]
                Dear Wheel, as a logging technologist I will tell you a secret! The timber processing plant is also a sawmill. And what is your irony in? Or does the country not need lumber? During the post-perestroika period, too much in the forestry industry was destroyed, and new plants make me happy. It’s not all the same to drive the round timber abroad, especially if you build new plants using modern technologies!
          5. arch_kate3
            arch_kate3 5 August 2014 13: 09
            +1
            Well, yes, looking at all this, Putin and Obama agreed on sanctions!
          6. Slavs69
            Slavs69 5 August 2014 13: 42
            +6
            Quote: Warlock_r
            2. Agriculture has been systematically destroyed, and is still being destroyed. Enterprises that actually worked - go bankrupt. First bought / captured, and then go bankrupt.

            Any concrete examples? In my region of residence, I do not see this. Quite the contrary.
            1. Warlock_r
              Warlock_r 5 August 2014 14: 02
              +3
              Offhand: Chick from Obsharovka poultry farm. There was a hefty complex, bankrupt last year, it seems.
          7. pahom54
            pahom54 5 August 2014 14: 11
            +18
            for warLock_r
            All this is somehow strange ... While still a high school student (1961-1971), I always thought about such a process as cracking (that is, refining petroleum products). Well, why, why what in the USSR, that in today's Russia there are so few refineries ??? Why is it so easy to drive oil for sale ??? !!! Why is it so easy, for pennies they drive for sale timber round timber raw ??? !!!
            The current oligarchy does not think about the country and its people at all ...
            This suggests thoughts of New Russia, which has proclaimed itself the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC ...
            Indeed, if a person works, serves, works for the benefit of the people (of course, the state, the people’s state), then he will have much more incentive-urge for effective work ...
            In my personal (!!!) opinion, Putin is a patriot of Russia. However, the question arises - why so many s.ran around the current government ??? !!! How much money is needed to calm this s.ran ???
            I do not call for revolution, since revolution and civil war are the worst thing in the world. But I urge Putin - enough to be afraid of your environment, in which there are many, oh, how many liberal pederasts ... Take smart, energetic people from the back streets of our vast Motherland - the possibilities are unlimited !!!
            Find people like Shoigu, Lavrov, Churkin, Rogozin and the like - and we will all follow this team ...
            Something like this, it's just thinking on the kitchen sofa ...
            1. Warlock_r
              Warlock_r 5 August 2014 14: 30
              +4
              Right I forgot about the forest. :)

              Quote: pahom54
              why so much s.ran around the current government ??? !!!


              I am sure that this is a side effect of any government. And with us, and in the states, and in Europe ... Power = money. And the most unprincipled people have the most money.

              Quote: pahom54
              How much money is needed to calm this s.ran ???


              I am afraid that so much money on earth simply does not exist. :(

              Quote: pahom54
              Take smart, energetic people from the back streets of our vast Motherland - the possibilities are unlimited !!!


              So they are not visible. They are, they work, but they work quietly, without sticking out their virtues. They don’t have time for this. And who has time, because it is because there is no work.

              Quote: pahom54
              Something like this, it's just thinking on the kitchen sofa ...


              Right Here is the absolute accuracy. drinks
              1. pahom54
                pahom54 5 August 2014 20: 02
                +3
                for warlock_r

                To my GREAT regret, you are right ...
                But it’s a shame ... For a power it’s a shame ...
                1. Warlock_r
                  Warlock_r 6 August 2014 08: 46
                  0
                  So I'm sorry. But it is especially offensive when everyone is jumping happily with cries of "Sanctions! Sanctions !!" and then they begin to resent that everything is bad.
            2. DV69
              DV69 5 August 2014 15: 52
              +4
              Judging by the creation of the Popular Front, the process is underway (sorry for Gorbachevism).
            3. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 5 August 2014 16: 45
              +3
              If you carefully look at the structure of sales of petroleum products, the share of crude oil in 2014 is reduced, and the sale of gasoline abroad is increasing. With a general increase in oil production.
            4. Glavmec
              Glavmec 5 August 2014 16: 56
              0
              No, Shoigu is not necessary - he is also one of "these"!
            5. Wheel
              Wheel 6 August 2014 03: 01
              0
              Quote: pahom54
              But I urge Putin - enough to be afraid of your environment, in which there are many, oh, how many liberal pederasts ... Take smart, energetic people from the back streets of our vast Motherland - the possibilities are unlimited !!!

              So he is not afraid of his environment, tea since St. Petersburg times together, know each other as flaky.
              And the smart ones, they are not required, the faithful are required, like Serdyukov, for example.
          8. jjj
            jjj 5 August 2014 15: 25
            +7
            Quote: Warlock_r
            Agriculture has been systematically destroyed, and is still being destroyed. Enterprises that actually worked - go bankrupt. First bought / captured, and then go bankrupt.

            In the Kuban just threshed a record crop of wheat. Up to 110 centners per hectare. The salary of combine harvesters is about 70 thousand.
            As for the oil industry, the Norwegians are ready to kiss Obama in one place with happiness. Offer all their Arctic mining technologies along with equipment supplies
            1. Warlock_r
              Warlock_r 5 August 2014 15: 45
              +2
              Quote: jjj
              A record wheat crop has just been threshed in the Kuban. Up to 110 centners per hectare.


              But agricultural is not only grain. About grain, as I said above, this is, in my opinion, the only agricultural product that we export.

              Quote: jjj
              ... then the Norwegians are ready to kiss Obama in one place with happiness. Offer all their Arctic mining technologies along with the supply of equipment


              Are they offering us? I am happy for the Norwegians. Only now they are ready to supply us. And if tomorrow, for any reason, they will be offended by us and impose their sanctions. Again without equipment left?
          9. Kent0001
            Kent0001 5 August 2014 16: 24
            +4
            This ass, for the most part, isn’t so cretic. If without cuts and kickbacks, then all issues are resolved quite quickly. It is a pity that the grandmother's aligarchs are not investing in our economy. Many, at first glance, critical things are resolved in half a year. Some are longer. As they say, the eyes are afraid and the hands are doing.
          10. Sour
            Sour 5 August 2014 17: 12
            +4
            Quote: Warlock_r
            Agricultural systematically destroyed, and is still being destroyed.

            Agricultural production is growing. There are fewer imported products on the shelves. Haven't you noticed that American chicken is almost gone for a long time? And there is less and less imported pork. That's right, probably don't go shopping. And in the "Soviet Russia" they forgot to tell you about it.
            Quote: Warlock_r
            Mechanical engineering is killed.

            Our mechanical engineering was uncompetitive even under the USSR. I remember very well how GAZ was full of foreign machines, and not know-how, but German trophy and American Lend-Lease machines. And our machines rusted in warehouses, being useless. Have you also read about this in the "Soviet Russia"? It is understandable. The Soviet engineering industry did not need to be killed, it died on its own as soon as the market opened.
            Quote: Warlock_r
            New factories almost never built

            And who will work at these plants? Migrant workers? And most importantly - what will they produce? Or is industrialization an end in itself? Spit what to build, just to build?
            Quote: Warlock_r
            And it’s easier to sell oil to the west (or China, not fundamentally in this case) than to make high-quality products from it and sell them already

            Are you aware that the rate of return in oil refining has long been declining? Or did they not write about it in the "sov.rossii"? Now it makes sense to build an oil refinery only for the domestic market. Because many petroleum products (such as fuel oil and bitumen) are cheaper than crude oil. And it is more and more profitable to export crude oil. In addition, refineries are environmentally hazardous industries.
            1. Warlock_r
              Warlock_r 6 August 2014 09: 22
              +2
              Quote: Sour
              Agricultural production is growing. There are less and less imported products on the shelves.


              Well, if so. In stores, I do not pay attention to the manufacturer, I look at the freshness of the goods. But I see the number of abandoned fields, dead villages, the ruins of poultry farms and livestock farms. From which I can conclude that the people and money in the villages are not enough to work. So where are the people? In the town. And it is impossible to engage in agricultural activities in the city. Well, at least on an industrial scale.

              Quote: Sour
              Our mechanical engineering was also uncompetitive under the USSR.


              Nevertheless, it was, and our machines worked. And they produced products. And if we were limited in supply of any equipment, then we could replace it, even with the worst parameters. And even not with the worst. Somewhere I came across an article on the production of alloy and forged wheels for cars. And there it was our equipment, the press, which made it possible to produce these disks with the highest quality and with a cost price much lower than foreign counterparts. So much for noncompetitive engineering. Again, we also mainly manufactured military equipment on our machines. And in many ways, our Western technique is superior.

              Quote: Sour
              And who will work at these plants?


              This moment is another sore spot. I still remember an interview with one hard worker standing in line for vacancies. When he was asked, here is the announcement, the plant is required, with a decent salary. Why don't you go? Do you know what the answer was? "They are forced to work there." No, as they say, comments.

              Quote: Sour
              And most importantly - what will they produce?


              But there is just no problem with this: we go into some thread of the M-video and watch: TVs, microwaves, audio systems ... Yes, anything. The main thing is that the production is modern.

              Quote: Sour
              And for export, it is increasingly profitable to drive precisely crude oil.


              Sorry, I do not believe it. Raw materials will never be more expensive than its derivatives. Because this is nonsense.
              And the fact that for our country and the current situation everything is just that way is not the law of the market, but the flawed approach of the state, which created the conditions for just such a picture. But who is to blame for this, and for what purpose he (and) achieved this (were) - a very interesting question. Smelling very tasteless and scandalous.

              Quote: Sour
              Because many petroleum products (e.g. fuel oil and bitumen) are cheaper than crude oil.


              Of course, I don’t like chemistry, she doesn’t like me either, but as far as I remember, fuel oil and bitumen are what remains after oil refining. What remains from the category of "waste". It is logical that they are cheaper.

              Quote: Sour
              In addition, refineries are environmentally harmful industries.


              Many industries are environmentally harmful, so now, go into the woods, subsistence farming? And this will not be allowed to be done: a holy place does not exist. Ecologically dirty mericosa, for example, will immediately jump onto our ecologically clean lands.
          11. Captain45
            Captain45 5 August 2014 20: 18
            +3
            Quote: Warlock_r
            4. New factories are practically not being built and nobody really wants to work there: it is much better to sit on, sorry, ass, in the office, to trade, etc. than to work in a factory. Although there are young people in factories. But few, damn little ...

            Well, it's you in vain. Maybe I'm zombified. But take a look at the site "Made by us", monthly up to 5-8 new enterprises are put into operation in various areas, and mainly for investments of domestic business. Maybe this is "Surkov propaganda", but Today, in the news about the collapse of another tour operator, it was announced that 15 thousand Russian citizens were trapped abroad, and 45 thousand more had their vouchers covered, and this was only from one tour operator "Labyrinth", and before that there were "Neva" and a couple more. What do you mean to say that we live badly? What is all gone? After all, not the same menagery go to resorts abroad. Where do people get 80-100 thousand rubles for a two-week tour. It would be all so bad, they would not go abroad In general, it is necessary to rest at home. me Turkey when it's summer in Taimyr. Have you been to the tundra in the summer? No, but in vain! You will not see this in any Turkey-Egypt !!!
            1. BYV
              BYV 5 August 2014 21: 29
              0
              In general, I agree with you. However, as a rule, vacation pursues some purpose. This can be a beach holiday, sightseeing, sports, tourist, etc.
              Quote: Captain45
              Here on h.r.e. Turkey when Taymyr is summer for me. Have you been to the tundra in the summer? No, but in vain! You will not see this in any Turkey-Egypt !!!

              Sorry, but you can not compare wet with soft. If I want to go to the sea, I’m unlikely to go to the tundra. And if I want to see the tundra, for example, in Germany I have nothing to do.
              And yes, I have not been to Turkey and I am not going to. Better Greece or Spain.
            2. pahom54
              pahom54 6 August 2014 09: 33
              0
              for warlock_r

              Everything is sober and sound ... And do not swear, and do not argue - how many people - so many opinions ...
              You - big +!
          12. assembly
            assembly 5 August 2014 21: 29
            +1
            Quote: Warlock_r
            Only now it will hurt.

            will not ... We survived the 90s, after that we can only be scared of nuclear war ... But I hope the Western world is not so stupid that it would be unleashed ...
        4. Kahlan amnell
          Kahlan amnell 5 August 2014 14: 00
          +2
          Russia will soon be grateful for the sanctions. Thanks to them, we will really become independent and patrically more united ... everything that is not done against us will turn against themselves.

          We will not thank. Let's say thank you. Once. And that's enough of them. laughing
        5. Juborg
          Juborg 5 August 2014 14: 06
          +10
          At the expense of Russia's relative economic independence, it will probably be so, the sanctions themselves are moved to this, but I do not agree about the increase in patriotic cohesion. Over the years (since 1991), not without the help of the West, and in particular the USA, office plankton was raised and nurtured in Russia, with an indifferent worldview, which didn’t care about their well-being. This is the class of hand hamsters on which Navalny and Nemtsovs of various kinds rely, because they are settled in all power structures, not only in firms. They will fight for their warm places, where without producing anything they get everything.
          1. jjj
            jjj 5 August 2014 15: 41
            +3
            Office people will not show their noses from the office. And real people are doing real things. And when they tried to go office to real, they were really scared by the realities of life.
            True, and offices are different. In some they lurk from idleness, while in others they plow
        6. Kent0001
          Kent0001 5 August 2014 16: 18
          +3
          I agree, part of the issues will be resolved through China, Taiwan, Korea, and of course, TO SCROLL YOURSELF. and Let nemchura and comrades go to the back, lose their money and the market. In Asia, there is technology no worse. To the extremes in neutral territory, create left-wing firms and through them you need to buy something. And Europe will not go anywhere without our gas and oil, they will pay. And apples and others can be bought in Iran or Turkey. We won’t be left without vitamins. By the way, ties with Turkey come to the fore in some areas. They spit on everyone and Crimea directly work.
          1. Vasek
            Vasek 5 August 2014 18: 28
            +4
            Quote: Kent0001
            By the way, ties with Turkey come to the fore in some areas. They spit on everyone and Crimea directly work.

            It is the Turks who are angry that they are not accepted into Europe.
            They begin to understand how they were used - and they were taken to NATO only to rummage around in the USSR from the underbelly.
            PS I wonder how much time and torment Ukraine will need to understand how redneckly use it?
            1. DV69
              DV69 5 August 2014 18: 36
              +1
              With Turkey, not everything is as clear as it seems. The Turkish government had great views of the Crimea and supported the Tatars there. In addition, Turkey provides assistance to militants in the North Caucasus. So buying Turkish you support fighters.
              1. Vasek
                Vasek 5 August 2014 19: 39
                +2
                Quote: DV69
                The Turkish government had great views of the Crimea and supported the Tatars there.

                They gave the Gagauzians a lot of money, they promised to build an airport in Comrat.
                So they have their own interests, distinct from the USA, in the region ... And in the muddy water, as you know, it is easier to slam the fish.
                1. DV69
                  DV69 5 August 2014 19: 57
                  +2
                  Well, everything is clear with the Gagauz people. There is even a Turkish language. However, historically, the Gagauz people still focus on Russia, unlike our mountain "warriors of Islam" (I'm talking about those who run across the mountains from the Kadyravites and our fighters, and not about the sane local residents).
      3. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 5 August 2014 11: 47
        +17
        And what was hoping that Russia would become obedient? Gorbachev and Yeltsin are not in power, the game of giveaways is over!

        It was ON THE APPEARANCE OF THE JEWS IN THE STRONG ENVIRONMENT IN THE AUTHORITIES OF RUSSIA AND THE CALCULATION WAS!
        And first of all, among the OLIGARCHIC CAPITAL!
        Yes! The influence of capital on the course of the state is great ... but representatives of the COSMOPOLITICAL CONSCIOUSNESS (the so-called "family") ... in general ... are pushed aside from decision-making ... representatives with state and patriotic thinking are increasingly allowed to power. The latter understand .. that with the introduction of sanctions ... THEY LOSE ... BUT IF THEY GO ON THE REASON OF THOSE WHO IMPOSED THESE SANCTIONS, WILL LOSE EVEN MORE! THEY WILL JUST BE SWALLOWED BY TRANSNATIONAL COMPANIES! Therefore, the sanctions of the WEST are not as effective as the authors hoped for ...
        BUT THESE SANCTIONS HELPED TO EXPLAIN - WHO IS HU AND HU IS WHO !!! Now the leadership of the country will be easier to work ... so it became clear who with RUSSIA ,,, and who with the WEST!
      4. aleks 62
        aleks 62 5 August 2014 12: 11
        +3
        .... Well, yes ... They scared a hedgehog naked ... oh .... laughing
      5. Patriot2012
        Patriot2012 5 August 2014 12: 52
        +3
        and thank God Medvedev is not the president
      6. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 5 August 2014 13: 28
        +11
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/806/dqbh8.jpg
      7. insafufa
        insafufa 5 August 2014 14: 29
        +3
        Yeah, I don’t agree with Gorbachev, and even a new heart didn’t help Yeltsin, and Shevordnadze and Kozorev didn’t either, so the tail wagging ended in front of the West now in fashion
      8. Bobxnumx
        Bobxnumx 5 August 2014 14: 51
        +2
        If it had not been for Gorbachev and Yeltsin, we would have put everyone in the belt with these sanctions.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 5 August 2014 15: 13
          +13
          Quote: Bob0859
          If it had not been for Gorbachev and Yeltsin, we would have put everyone in the belt with these sanctions.

          And the opinion of the common people on these sanctions has not changed a bit:
      9. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 5 August 2014 16: 14
        +4
        Speaking intelligibly, the states do not observe Russia's ardent desire to become their next six. Of course, sanctions, of course ... Tupenko somehow.
      10. v245721
        v245721 5 August 2014 16: 31
        0
        there are still bears
      11. AQUARIUS 65
        AQUARIUS 65 5 August 2014 16: 49
        +11
        ShturmKGB
        And what was hoping that Russia would become obedient?

        Wrong, we are not afraid of sanctions!
      12. Alex 241
        Alex 241 5 August 2014 16: 56
        +8
        ShturmKGB
        And what was hoping that Russia would become obedient?
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 5 August 2014 20: 40
          +2
          A specific person, won’t get rid of how ssanktsii, he already shook the poor fellow!
          "Yes, take it away, you damned her! I can't eat her. If only I could get some bread!" (C) film "White Sun of the Desert". They don't understand us, they didn't shoot or watch such films, and if looked, then neither ..... did not understand anything!
      13. AVV
        AVV 5 August 2014 23: 23
        +1
        So you need to answer the sanctions so that Obama turns white, and Poroshenko does not chew on a tie, but the footcloths of the militias, and the EU plunges into economic constipation !!! What if it weren’t disastrous, to spoil and crap out of the underwear, I think they will answer !! !
    2. RESEARCHER
      RESEARCHER 5 August 2014 11: 32
      +13
      If the momentum continues, then the WTO will collapse soon.
      1. WKS
        WKS 5 August 2014 11: 41
        +8
        Josh Ernest: Sanctions could not change the course of Russia

        Only "intellectuals" like this Ernest and Obama could expect that Russia would be afraid of political and economic pressure. And Russia has already changed its foreign policy course, and in this course there are clear outlines of Russia's worst enemies, previously disguised as sheep. Russia has concentrated and united, now it will increase its industrial power and then ... Good bye America.
      2. Venier
        Venier 5 August 2014 20: 53
        +1
        If the momentum continues, then the WTO will collapse soon.
        Here, not only the WTO will collapse, here the whole world may collapse. You see, a maniac-mattress is working, but no one will eliminate it. But a madman can think of anything. For example, if I have money, then you all should. No, urgently, urgently equip the liquidation group.
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 5 August 2014 11: 34
      +36
      directed against the oil industry of the Russian Federation, which will limit the supply of equipment for unconventional methods of oil production.
      Unconventional mining is gay drillers or something ???? wassat
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 5 August 2014 11: 36
        +9
        Most likely horizontal drilling ... but we ourselves can.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 5 August 2014 11: 42
          +8
          Quote: fzr1000
          Most likely horizontal drilling ... but we ourselves can.

          This refers to equipment for offshore drilling. Although we are also "good fellows", we are already purchasing drilling. It's high time to do your own thing.
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 5 August 2014 21: 09
          +2
          Quote: fzr1000
          Most likely horizontal drilling ... but we ourselves can.

          So we have drilled horizontal wells for a long time and it’s okay. One Bovanenkovskoye, next door to us, is worth something + an international airport + a seaport with an LNG terminal with customs and a border checkpoint, and this is only for the last 3 years, practically in front of my eyes. And this is all for money "Novatek" ie. Timchenko, on whom the West has imposed sanctions.
      2. mig31
        mig31 5 August 2014 11: 42
        +1
        This is a fox !!!!, intelligence geyropov from the usa ....
    4. Spnsr
      Spnsr 5 August 2014 11: 50
      +16
      Naglaksaks campaign in general with the wrong head ... are not friends!
    5. Finches
      Finches 5 August 2014 12: 03
      +7
      Sanctions is a giveaway game from the West! Even the war cannot change the course of Russia, but here are some sanctions, but they also need to do a good face with a bad game, and they have a thin gut for war!
    6. moody fin
      moody fin 5 August 2014 12: 13
      +14
      in relation to Ukraine, we did not see the actions that we would like to see, ”Ernest quotes Lenta.ru as saying. here explain to me stupid Ukrainians that the Americans want from the Russians ... like, stabilize and calm the rebels ... so it is necessary to bring in the regular units and take everyone under control .... at the same time, withdraw the troops for the Urals and don’t interfere .. .they are totally crazy there ... if this would start on the border with Mexico? .. would I like to see the actions of the USA?
    7. nicolay338
      nicolay338 5 August 2014 13: 09
      +14
      Joke on the topic)))
      Barack Obama is dying. After 10 years, he becomes bored, and he asks God to let him go to Earth to see how his country is doing. God is letting go.
      Obama comes to a bar in New York, orders a beer and asks the bartender how the country is doing, how it is developing, what problems it solves. The bartender is surprised:
      - What problems can be? We are a great empire, everything around us.
      -How is ours? And Iraq, Afghanistan?
      - Yes, everything is already ours!
      - And Europe, Africa, the Middle East?
      The bartender takes out a globe from under the rack and twists it proudly:
      - I say - we are an empire, the whole world belongs to us!
      Obama, joyful, proud and contented, finishes his beer and says:
      - Well, thanks, friend! How much do I have to pay?
      - One ruble and twenty kopecks ...
      1. AstanaKZ
        AstanaKZ 5 August 2014 16: 08
        +2
        It is necessary, sanctions, etc. (that is, the problems of Russia that the West itself created) were occupied by the least interested in a small nuclear war in Europe (that is, Europe itself)! In other words, under pain of a nuclear war in Europe, even the EU, it’s all disentangling (contrary to the overseas owners). You can’t start from Ukraine, but you can fuck the fascist Mol-viya (in principle, no matter who, if only there was a risk of a nuclear fungus in Europe)!
    8. Giant thought
      Giant thought 5 August 2014 16: 42
      +2
      It's time to put a barrier on the way of ham from America to Russia.
    9. Cadet787
      Cadet787 5 August 2014 20: 24
      +1
      Pen-dos and geyropa are likened to that causal dog, which if you have something to do, it licks eggs, well, lick your health and don’t bark at Russia, otherwise they will simply be torn off ..... you scum got you all.
    10. nycsson
      nycsson 5 August 2014 22: 24
      +1
      Quote: mig31
      Sanctions are changing the course of the world and not a single state, d ... bi .... s

      Yeah! Wow?! wassat fool
      ShturmKGB
      And what was hoping that Russia would become obedient?

      She has become! The withdrawal of troops from the border with Ukraine - isn't that obedience ?!
      ShturmKGB
      Gorbachev and Yeltsin are not in power, the game of giveaways is over!

      Now in power worse than id.io.ty are ......
      I watched the news:
      1. Bulgaria officially announced the freezing of the construction of the southern stream. Against the background of the cessation of gas supplies through Ukraine to the EU countries, I can only say one thing, prepare the shelves for the teeth.
      2. Australia has banned the export of mutton to Russia, which is 60% of the market! In the United States, according to their laws, if the share of imported food is more than 15%, then this is a threat to national security. I wonder how our "smart guys" admitted that food imports are on average 50-60% in the country?
      3. The Prime Minister said that they’re okay, we will switch to import substitution! wassat Only he did not specify the timing of the transition! In order for agriculture to become profitable in the Russian Federation, much needs to be done. With such a thieves' economy, this is not real.
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    1. from punk
      from punk 5 August 2014 11: 34
      +18
      ShturmKGB
      And what was hoping that Russia would become obedient?

      the bear did not succumb to training ... bummer
      1. Rayden
        Rayden 5 August 2014 11: 46
        +17
        soldier Russian wars do not start, they end them
      2. Valestine
        Valestine 5 August 2014 11: 49
        +22
        One Greek woman of Russian origin (Lazaridi) wrote in Odnoklassniki: "The Russian bear is only in appearance clumsy. But you can't run away from it ..." And one more feature: the most dangerous animal in the arena for a trainer is a bear, because it is absolutely unpredictable, and therefore, it is impossible to prevent his attack - he never shows that he is dissatisfied with something.
        1. Rayden
          Rayden 5 August 2014 12: 02
          +6
          The most dangerous beast is a white bear, but you are right, the bear is the most unpredictable predator
          1. Commodus
            Commodus 5 August 2014 12: 47
            +1
            You are strange, if Yusa admits that they didn’t succeed, then everything worked well. Oh, why, why, but we failed to distract our attention with a cry of a dance.
            1. Rayden
              Rayden 5 August 2014 13: 01
              +1
              What did they do? Unleashed a war on our borders, a matter of time when we go to this unread
              1. Commodus
                Commodus 5 August 2014 13: 28
                +10
                Do you really think that the Americans have unleashed a war on our territory historically and legally at the moment? Unfortunately, when Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, Yusa received huge dividends from this. It was also from the first world. Until they get a war on their territory they will not be defeated in any way. In the meantime, the Russian people are dying. Thousands in Ukraine, tens of thousands of drugs from Afghanistan in Russia, and many millions of unborn children over these 20 years - the losses that are generally very difficult to calculate. And they lost a little in the dollar. If you are still sitting in the illusion that everything is fine, then ... well, you have a roof over your head, food and a salary, and your children have no future! Because If America wins, then they simply will not need them.
                1. Rayden
                  Rayden 5 August 2014 13: 59
                  +3
                  The fact that the Americans, when they arrived in Afghanistan, raised poppy plantations by 80% and where all this nonsense is dumped, everyone knows that the problem is now in New Russia, if we lose it, it will be worse (only my family stops me from traveling on business)
                  1. Commodus
                    Commodus 5 August 2014 14: 25
                    +3
                    We have a problem inside the country. Both the constitution imposed by the West and the absence of national institutions of power. If this problem is not solved, then New Russia will stand or not stand, it does not matter as soon as Russia falls, the Americans will simply equalize all the resistances and all up to local nuclear attacks. They will simply have no one to answer. It is very simple if in the next 2 years a coup d'état in Russia succeeds, and during this time we do not tighten the screws and do not switch to defending national interests, we will end. In a different scenario, there could be a lot of victims on our part and a new global bloodbath.
                    1. Rayden
                      Rayden 5 August 2014 15: 52
                      +4
                      But what's the problem? Those who served in the Soviet army are hardly afraid of Nato, What are you catching hysteria ?, 5 columns And so on. let's go to the front, there They will judge us
  3. tyrus
    tyrus 5 August 2014 11: 29
    +9
    What would you do with your sanctions ..! Put them in yourself and all your hangers-on in a famous place!
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 5 August 2014 11: 39
      +13
      Quote: Tyrus
      What would you do with your sanctions ..!

      I remembered an anecdote with a beard on this topic: "Kashpirovsky comes home, and the apartment is empty, they took everything out. He is in his hearts, from the bottom of his heart, take it and say:" So, you, shit! at the door, opens, and on the thresholds, they cry and say: "We will return everything to you, just remove the installation!"
      It is a pity that it is impossible with a thought at a distance, to all sanctionists, to give such an attitude.
      1. arch_kate3
        arch_kate3 5 August 2014 13: 22
        +4
        Well, why not? What are we doing here?
      2. Akhtuba73
        Akhtuba73 5 August 2014 14: 08
        +8
        Quote: B.T.W.
        a joke with a beard on this subject:

        Quote: B.T.W.
        and they say: "We are returning everything to you, just remove the installation!" "

        And he answered them: "Come on, guys, go in peace, everything will be fine, DO NOT quit ..."
    2. 23 region
      23 region 5 August 2014 16: 36
      0
      Quote: Tyrus
      What would you do with your sanctions ..! Put them in yourself and all your hangers-on in a famous place!

      While travel agencies have calmed down, they roll like leaves in the fall. Who can explain whether these are the consequences of sanctions, or are we thus forced to rest at home?
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 5 August 2014 20: 51
        +1
        Quote: Region 23
        While travel agencies have calmed down, they roll like leaves in the fall. Who can explain whether these are the consequences of sanctions, or are we thus forced to rest at home?

        This is so that there are no subsequent Butov, Seleznevs. "It seems to me so!" (C) movie "Mimino". By the way, politicians complain that they were forbidden to travel abroad. I worked for 20 years in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, then the Russian Federation worked, the ban on leaving was by subscription for five years at the end of the work, and nothing died. And then they began to touch the generals for the udders for misuse of budgetary funds, everything is like evil spirits on Bald Mountain , they rushed to Israel. And everything seemed to be written by Russians in the questionnaires, curvy. am
  4. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 5 August 2014 11: 29
    +22
    Somehow like this...

    You are formidable in words - try it in practice!
    Or the old hero, deceased on his bed,
    Unable to screw up your Izmail bayonet?
    Is the Russian tsar already powerless to speak?
    Or should we argue with Europe new?
    Il Russian weaned from victories?
    Or a little of us? Or from Perm to Tauris,
    From the Finnish cold rocks to the flaming Colchis,
    From the shocked Kremlin
    To the walls of immobile China,
    Shiny bristles,
    Will not the Russian land rise? ..
    So send us to us, Vitia,
    His angry sons:
    There is a place for them in the fields of Russia,
    Among the coffins that are not theirs.
    1. Atanda
      Atanda 5 August 2014 14: 26
      +3
      Novel 1977, well, if you are quoting Pushkin, then please put quotes, ellipsis in front and authorship. And it’s somehow not good. In general, I agree 100% with the classic! And nothing has changed in 200 years! All the same "embittered sons" of the West with hatred and envy look at our land.
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 5 August 2014 21: 02
      +1
      Quote: Novel 1977
      You are formidable in words - try it in practice!

      Once again I am convinced that “AS PUSHKIN IS OUR ALL!” (C). I don’t remember who said, but just to the point of horror, to hepatic colic ... in the West! lol
  5. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 5 August 2014 11: 29
    +24
    the sanctions of the United States and Western countries that were introduced against the Russian Federation did not affect Moscow’s policies.
    - Well, why? They banned the import of Polish and Ukrainian poison, maybe we will forbid European planes to fly over themselves ... bully
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 5 August 2014 11: 38
      +2
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      the sanctions of the United States and Western countries that were introduced against the Russian Federation did not affect Moscow’s policies.
      - Well, why? They banned the import of Polish and Ukrainian poison, maybe we will forbid European planes to fly over themselves ... bully


      Yes, similar responses are already being discussed.
    2. a52333
      a52333 5 August 2014 11: 45
      +12
      There is something more terrible for them. Arrest of blocks of shares of non-residents of the Russian Federation. Gazprom, Sber, LUKoil.
      1. arch_kate3
        arch_kate3 5 August 2014 13: 24
        +2
        But this is super!
    3. WKS
      WKS 5 August 2014 11: 49
      +10
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      why so? They banned the import of Polish and Ukrainian poison, maybe we will forbid European planes to fly over themselves ...

      retaliatory pressure should be painful for the ruling elite, for the budget, and not for the layman. Now is the time to ban trips to Afghanistan, through our territory. And in the fall, stop gas transit through Ukraine.
    4. Captain45
      Captain45 5 August 2014 21: 16
      +1
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      They banned the import of Polish and Ukrainian poison, maybe we will forbid European planes to fly over themselves ...

      Already, as far as I understood from the last news release, the question of payment and further use of cross-routes to the Far East from Geyropa has been raised. So someone will fork out for our "Dobrolet" in the course of the play. But the name is some- " WELCOME ". Well this is a fairy tale, sit down and fly kindly
  6. olegff68
    olegff68 5 August 2014 11: 29
    +4
    Well, after all, what are they trying to achieve ... and apparently they will achieve ... a preemptive strike on the cuev !!! am And then, with deathly silence already, we will long and tediously explain our position to the UN ...
    1. WKS
      WKS 5 August 2014 11: 51
      +7
      Quote: olegff68
      Well, after all, what are they trying to achieve ... and apparently they will achieve ... a preemptive strike on the cuev !!! am And then, with deathly silence already, we will long and tediously explain our position to the UN ...

      It will not happen. The militias will enter peacefully without any bombing. Everything has its time.
  7. papont64
    papont64 5 August 2014 11: 29
    +5
    But sr ... are we on their sanction !!!)))
    1. arch_kate3
      arch_kate3 5 August 2014 13: 28
      +10
      Why so rude? They show us our weak spots for free! Free audit of the best international level! Thanks to everybody, you're free...
  8. Tersky
    Tersky 5 August 2014 11: 30
    +15
    He noted that Washington continues to urge Moscow to stop "destabilizing actions along the border with Ukraine that led to an escalation of the conflict."
    Or maybe Washington will stop the destabilizing actions, and not only in Ukraine but around the world .. The whole world was stoned to the edge by its shit democracy ...
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 5 August 2014 11: 37
      +4
      Quote: Tersky
      Or maybe Washington will stop destabilizing actions, and not only in Ukraine but around the world ..

      This issue was not discussed in Congress.
      Victor, hi
  9. Duke
    Duke 5 August 2014 11: 30
    +2
    It doesn’t matter what our country does, the main thing is sanctions against it.
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 5 August 2014 11: 31
    +14
    According to the White House, Russia should influence the militias to “observe a ceasefire and strive for a diplomatic resolution of the conflict." Or maybe Washington will influence Poroshenko to “observe a ceasefire and strive for a diplomatic resolution of the conflict”
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 5 August 2014 11: 46
      +3
      Yes, they are striving, and we are all striving, striving, striving ... to infinity. But the desire for something, but worth it. And ends, as a rule, with the achievement of the aspirational.
    2. Evrepid
      Evrepid 5 August 2014 15: 46
      +3
      And they need this in order to capture new territories under the guise.
      Slovyansk has already been lost in Slavyansk once for the DPR / LPR
      At the crash site of the MH17 aircraft, a place was lost for the DNI / LC
      Now for the third time? Will Lugansk be lost?

      Ukrainians do not observe a truce after all. they simply seize territory under the cries of a truce.
  11. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 5 August 2014 11: 31
    +2
    well, it’s not even interesting anymore: the buryards are repeating themselves!
  12. sem-yak
    sem-yak 5 August 2014 11: 34
    +5
    if sanctions are useless, then we will again introduce!

    stupidity of amers there is no limit!
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 5 August 2014 13: 08
      +5
      Do not tell me, the sanctions initiated by Obamka and the company are very useful, they presented the GDP with an excellent chance to "dunk the fifth column in the outhouse" and put things in order in the It is time to cleanse the "Augean stables" i.e. "bend" the pro-American opposition like Kudrin and all the "chicks" of the Higher School of Economics, and it's time to cover it up. And Kudrin must answer for the fact that he did not allow us to invest our money in our own economy, to assess the real damage from the fact that, with his submission, our reserves were invested in US securities!
  13. djtyysq
    djtyysq 5 August 2014 11: 34
    +6
    There is always something with a screw on the sly ass, only the Geyropov mongers will suffer!
  14. axel320
    axel320 5 August 2014 11: 35
    +2
    We are in the position of the defenders. Which in itself must be strange. A great country with no less great history is afraid of antics and leaps of some madmen from overseas and their puppets. I hope everyone understands that no one in the US, of course, expects a change in our "course". As BB said, this is just "normal competition" through politics. They were unable to involve an external war - they are trying to sow an internal war in order to weaken them. This is a normal competitive struggle ... The question is, are we ready to fight and fight? Do we want to?
    1. arch_kate3
      arch_kate3 5 August 2014 13: 32
      +2
      Weird question. If you do not fight, then we simply will not be!
    2. alexander 2
      alexander 2 5 August 2014 17: 24
      +3
      We always at the beginning of the war were in the position of the defenders. But they ended the war in the capitals of the states that attacked us.
  15. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 5 August 2014 11: 37
    +9
    Here are the results of 23 years of sucking on a rotten western nipple, and smearing your eyes with a green piece of paper, what to tell the people about this - POWER, nothing. 23 years passionately kissed with the economic policy of Gaidar, Chubais, Kudrin where are now these "great economists, they pushed their tongues in the back, where all the politicians who carried out and pushed these Western projects, ashamed of our POWER, stupidly stupidly, wasted time and money , and now they are silent, or, something mumbles and lapocha.
  16. gandalf
    gandalf 5 August 2014 11: 38
    +9
    It is difficult for hunters to drive a Russian bear back to the den when it took away the guns and knives from the hunters ... Little by little, hunters begin to understand that a bear can go to a den only myself ... and when he wants. laughing

    For bulletins:
    Quote: http://gwinplane.livejournal.com/1602008.html
    All reports of real militias will be given with some delay due to military necessity.


    Do not be scared by the lack of news or any "news" of the URKOSMI ... wink
  17. pomegranate
    pomegranate 5 August 2014 11: 38
    +2
    Quote: mig31
    Sanctions are changing the course of the world and not a single state, d ... bi .... s

    It depends on the state!
  18. Yellow white
    Yellow white 5 August 2014 11: 39
    +5
    Yes, just directly, the gut is thin, the navel will be torn, and because of the large puddle it’s a sin not to bark and not to call Europe, let's catch the Russians with fear!
    Europe then understands that it’s not for us that the elephant is shot, it’s very unpleasant and we will feel all this in the near future, but far from deadly.
    I think because of the sanctions, the Russian bear will not go to sleep in winter, and this is SHATUN, sooo dangerous for everyone hi
  19. Vend
    Vend 5 August 2014 11: 39
    +4
    Damn they are really sick. Well, there is no effect, it does not support the EU, calm down, try to establish a dialogue, acknowledge that your adventure has failed, leave the Poroshenko regime, the war itself will end. Well, you lost in your stupidity and not far, be professionals lose with dignity. If not a reputation, then at least part of the face would have been saved.
    1. Valestine
      Valestine 5 August 2014 12: 05
      +1
      Well, where has it been seen, where has it been heard, so that the states admit their mistakes! In addition, not 5 billion, but much more were added to the Ukrainian project. Money for s is sacred! And how to part with the prospect of cutting off Russian gas pipelines and putting Europe on the shale gas of the South-East, which will be controlled by the Biden family? The territory of Donbass is being cleaned up for the sake of this, in order to please the US gas companies. At the same time, a very tangible blow is being dealt to the poorly versified Russian economy. Then, in the project, the unwinding of the "color revolution" in Russia (cadres, as you know, have long been trained and we know them by sight). At the price of Ukrainian (Russian) blood, a complex of problems is solved! So, everything is just beginning ...
      1. Vend
        Vend 5 August 2014 12: 25
        +3
        Quote: Valdine
        Well, where has it been seen, where has it been heard, so that the states admit their mistakes! In addition, not 5 billion, but much more were added to the Ukrainian project. Money for s is sacred! And how to part with the prospect of cutting off Russian gas pipelines and putting Europe on the shale gas of the South-East, which will be controlled by the Biden family? The territory of Donbass is being cleaned up for the sake of this, in order to please the US gas companies. At the same time, a very tangible blow is being dealt to the poorly versified Russian economy. Then, in the project, the unwinding of the "color revolution" in Russia (cadres, as you know, have long been trained and we know them by sight). At the price of Ukrainian (Russian) blood, a complex of problems is solved! So, everything is just beginning ...

        Well, once after all, you have to start admitting your mistakes. The United States admitted that it destroyed its cruiser, though it took about a hundred years, it seems. laughing And there are also adequate people in the USA and the EU: Matt Lee, Marine Le Pen. I understand they don’t rule the ball. I know that Ukraine for them is just a bargaining chip, like the whole world. However, you are wrong, it does not begin, but ends already. It seems to me another six months and we will witness various interesting events related to the collapse of the EU and the USA, as well as the partition of Ukraine and probably Moldova.
        1. Valestine
          Valestine 5 August 2014 12: 46
          +5
          Let it be so, let it come true! But the States are now a wounded beast that has driven itself into a corner. Of course, both the EU and the States have sane people: politicians, journalists. But at the same time, one Finnish journalist was fired from his job the next day after the publication of an approvingly positive article about Putin. And this is in Finland! But the situation in Hamburg was incredibly pleasing, when students and passers-by dispersed the Bandera rally of lads in embroidered shirts, with zhovto-blakitny flags and posters insulting Putin. Moreover, according to eyewitnesses, the Banderelogues "were beaten long and carefully." The most active fighters, of course, were sent to the police. But the zhovto-blakit "compatriots" were forcibly sent home on the same day "in connection with insulting actions against the head of a foreign state."
          1. Vend
            Vend 5 August 2014 13: 13
            +2
            Quote: Valdine
            Let it be so, let it come true! But the States are now a wounded beast that has driven itself into a corner. Of course, both the EU and the States have sane people: politicians, journalists. But at the same time, one Finnish journalist was fired from his job the next day after the publication of an approvingly positive article about Putin. And this is in Finland! But the situation in Hamburg was incredibly pleasing, when students and passers-by dispersed the Bandera rally of lads in embroidered shirts, with zhovto-blakitny flags and posters insulting Putin. Moreover, according to eyewitnesses, the Banderelogues "were beaten long and carefully." The most active fighters, of course, were sent to the police. But the zhovto-blakit "compatriots" were forcibly sent home on the same day "in connection with insulting actions against the head of a foreign state."

            I agree, and this wounded beast is ready to take the whole world with him. This beast needs to be finished, but the more countries join the finishing process, the faster we will cope and the more chances to survive. Finns are plants, in the current situation, but Hamburg pleased. As a historian I say, scratch the German, you will find a Slav. Almost all of Germany stands on the former Slavic land.
            Here is what I just found
            The head of the administration of the largest British trade union, Unite, has established a group called Solidarity with Antifascist Resistance in Ukraine, the Daily Mail reported. This group supports the so-called pro-Russian separatists, who are now suspected of having shot down a Malaysia Airlines airliner in the east of the country.

            Andrew Murray, right-hand man of Unite General Secretary Len McCluskey, during his speech at a meeting on the establishment of the group, called the Kiev authorities "fascist."

            “Here in the UK we must take a firm stand, because we are the main US allies who support the Kiev authorities and this terrible extermination by them of their own people. We must demand that our government stop supporting the Kiev authorities and expanding NATO and the EU, ”Andrew Murray quotes the Daily Mail.

            After the crash of the Malaysian airliner, Solidarity held a demonstration in front of the Ukrainian embassy in London against “repression in Eastern Ukraine.” Murray’s rhetoric, the Daily Mail notes, is strikingly different from the position of the deputy head of the Labor Party, Harriet Harman, who said after this incident: “The time has come when a strong and decisive EU must take up its obligations and confront Russia's actions.”
          2. arch_kate3
            arch_kate3 5 August 2014 13: 45
            +1
            Sane politicians in the west? Independent? I do not believe!!! There are no such!
    2. arch_kate3
      arch_kate3 5 August 2014 13: 40
      +3
      Moral principles for this caste are empty words! They only recognize strength and "face about teibel!" Obsessed with a thirst for power, they go ahead and destroy everyone in their path. And this disease is incurable ...
      1. Vend
        Vend 5 August 2014 14: 16
        +4
        Listen at least to Marine Le Pen. Or a lady from the Reichstag who openly accused Merkel of aiding Nazism. The same Andrew Murray, which is described above. Do you think they want to die because of US ambitions? They simply have less power and it is more difficult to take decisive and right steps.
        1. 23 region
          23 region 5 August 2014 17: 11
          +5
          Quote: Wend
          Listen at least to Marine Le Pen. Or a lady from the Reichstag who openly accused Merkel of aiding Nazism. The same Andrew Murray, which is described above. Do you think they want to die because of US ambitions? They simply have less power and it is more difficult to take decisive and right steps.

          I agree. It’s high time to support adequate politicians, as well as educate and implement their agents of influence in the power structures.
          1. Vend
            Vend 5 August 2014 18: 04
            +1
            Quote: 23 region

            I agree. It’s high time to support adequate politicians, as well as educate and implement their agents of influence in the power structures.

            Great thought. I completely agree.
  20. shishakova
    shishakova 5 August 2014 11: 39
    +5
    The whole world helps the militias as they assert their rights in their native land.
    The West wants Putin to stand next to Poroshenko and say: - Drop your weapons and that's it.
    Russians do not abandon their own and help others.
    Sanctions against Russia will only make our country even stronger!
    1. Stypor23
      Stypor23 5 August 2014 13: 01
      +1
      Quote: shishakova
      The whole world helps militias

      Well, and who helps, a couple of countries from far abroad, call for a discount.
  21. Leviton
    Leviton 5 August 2014 11: 41
    +3
    lose patience ... and that's good !!! it means they don’t succeed, even we can’t get done as an extreme !!!!
  22. Evgesh91
    Evgesh91 5 August 2014 11: 41
    +3
    yes you go NY with your sanctions.
    and all wink
  23. NEMO7
    NEMO7 5 August 2014 11: 42
    +5
    Shakhtersk. August 4th Hitting the residential sector
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 5 August 2014 11: 59
      +5
      Is it one shell to destroy underground structures or what? Do ukrov have any friends with friends?
    2. Bombardier
      Bombardier 5 August 2014 12: 22
      +2
      Amerikosy advised, nuch.

      Watch everyone.
    3. cat hippopotamus
      cat hippopotamus 5 August 2014 12: 26
      +4
      Poor old people, for what it is to them, for the fact that they have worked all their life and raised the country. Now Banderlog came to destroy and kill. Absurd absurdity does not fit into my mind either.
    4. fzr1000
      fzr1000 5 August 2014 13: 17
      +4
      Here is another photo.
  24. VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL 5 August 2014 11: 42
    +9
    I used to think that their sanctions were just chatter on the box, so that people could be heard. But this hour, I understand that they really hope with these sanctions to influence our course? request
    Not stupid !!! fool laughing
  25. max702
    max702 5 August 2014 11: 43
    +7
    I hope at least this help from the West will make our government turn its face to the PRODUCER! You can’t replace real production with bank zeros and wraparounds for this is the way to nowhere ..
  26. MSA
    MSA 5 August 2014 11: 44
    +3
    Soon your games will end - mad monkeys !!!
  27. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 5 August 2014 11: 45
    +9
    The "masters of the universe" think that Russia is something like Africa. The USSR was completely forgotten. All they have is a financial poker bubble and a bunch of expats. And Russia has real means in the form of resources. And the people are 80% patriots of their country.
  28. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 August 2014 11: 46
    +5
    They simply do not understand that we lived behind the "Iron Curtain" and were quite competitive for ourselves, on a global scale. Now, having looked at all the Western "splendor", we found a lot of tinsel and worthless candy wrappers behind the outer gilding. I think these sanctions are the necessary impetus for the development of Russia, which was necessary. It was necessary to get off the oil needle, but drug addiction cannot be cured without external compulsion. Here are the mattress toppers and started treatment. As always lately, they will get exactly the opposite of what they expected.
    1. Valestine
      Valestine 5 August 2014 12: 24
      +2
      It would be good to supplement this "treatment" with a well-thought-out policy not only in the media. but above all in mass culture. Nationally-oriented mass media specialists have to work hard to instill a taste for work, invention, creativity. Not to churn out television series about thieves in law, crooks, prostitutes in an outrageous manner, but to seek and find genuine heroes. Find effective and understandable forms of material presentation. And most importantly, learn to be grateful to people of honor, conscience, duty and work. In general, it is time to formulate a clear program of struggle for youth. It is difficult, costly, but it will pay off a hundredfold. After all, the American efforts to train the Bandera youth for 23 years paid off?
      1. Hope1960
        Hope1960 5 August 2014 20: 27
        0
        A hundred times: yes, yes, yes !!!! Western "values" are alien to us - money in Russia has never been an end in itself, to boast of wealth is a bad form! And money for charity, education, culture, medicine is an honor! And to indulge your passions (which is shown on TV) is sinful!
  29. Starmos
    Starmos 5 August 2014 11: 46
    +4
    4 on August, White House spokesman Josh Ernest said that the US and Western countries' sanctions, which were imposed against the Russian Federation, had no effect on Moscow’s policy.
    What should have been? Fucking stupid bastards Yankees ... - if that’s more clear. Not? Well stupid !!!
  30. sever.56
    sever.56 5 August 2014 11: 47
    +23
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/721/nfat797.jpg
  31. father nikon
    father nikon 5 August 2014 11: 47
    +6
    Sanctions could not change the course of Russia

    It’s like vacationers at sea for little need do not go to the latrine, but the sea doesn’t get any saltier from this winked
  32. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 August 2014 11: 49
    +4
    But they seriously hoped that Russia would stand on its hind legs and humbly ask for forgiveness.
    In the White House, analysts are "eggheads" in the truest sense of the word.
  33. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 5 August 2014 11: 49
    +7
    first wave of sanctions, second, third ...
    It all reminds me of a joke when a bear taps on the back of a hunter on the shoulder and asks:
    - Man, I don’t understand you ... are you a hunter at all or ... gay?
  34. andrei332809
    andrei332809 5 August 2014 11: 52
    +2
    White House spokeswoman Josh Ernest said US and Western sanctions against the Russian Federation did not affect Moscow’s policies.

    yeah nuuu? that's bad luck then what
  35. pensioner
    pensioner 5 August 2014 11: 52
    +8
    Josh Ernest: Sanctions could not change the course of Russia

    Rather, this rooster will change sex than Putin's course.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 August 2014 12: 08
      +5
      Quote: retired

      Rather, this rooster will change sex than Putin's course.

      Yura, you have a good idea. laughing
      Hi hi
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 5 August 2014 12: 12
        +4
        Good afternoon, Alexander. hi
        Not all, it turns out, support my idea ... recourse
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 5 August 2014 12: 46
          +4
          Quote: retired
          Not all, it turns out, support my idea ...

          hi
          But how is your idea to support that? not enough in dill whole battalions of combat pi.sov?
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 5 August 2014 14: 06
            +3
            Hi Andrew! hi
            I finally suggested something else ... feel
            What are the successes in mastering the bookmarking method?
            1. andrei332809
              andrei332809 5 August 2014 14: 34
              +3
              Quote: retired
              What are the successes in mastering the bookmarking method?

              hello yur
              I'm on a dry ration now. after celebrating Fleet Day recourse with a broken ankle on crutches
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 5 August 2014 14: 55
                +1
                Quote: andrei332809
                with a broken ankle on crutches

                Well, at least crutches are intact ... What: bookmarks cannot be done on crutches, or what? what I'll know.
                Get well soon, damn it, sailor!
                1. andrei332809
                  andrei332809 5 August 2014 14: 58
                  0
                  Quote: retired
                  Get well soon, damn it, sailor!

                  thank you
                  Quote: retired
                  bookmarks on crutches do not work, or what?

                  already looked at myself badik with a capacity of 0,5 wink
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 August 2014 13: 02
          +3
          Quote: retired
          Not all, it turns out, support my idea ..

          Yes, it’s Russ69, he stamped posts in the month of March and beat him proudly for Putin and for Russia. Now he started .... he crashed the polymers putinkazel. Soon I feel a client with a life-long transition to an eternal ban.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 5 August 2014 18: 09
            +1
            Come on. It’s almost the first that he puts the Old. Although I found one resource where it comes from, the news of New Russia. Or, in general, New Russia.
        3. asar
          asar 5 August 2014 13: 38
          +1
          Not all, it turns out, support my idea ...

          Do not worry! Every family has its black sheep!
  36. Balu495
    Balu495 5 August 2014 11: 54
    +8
    ShturmKGB
    And what was hoping that Russia would become obedient? Gorbachev and Yeltsin are not in power, the game of giveaways is over!

    You can spray saliva ... This will not change the main essence: I am not ashamed of my Country and the fact that our President is PUTIN !!!
    )
  37. Freeway_3007
    Freeway_3007 5 August 2014 11: 55
    +1
    And you will not see.
  38. mackonya
    mackonya 5 August 2014 11: 55
    +2
    But for that, the sanctions have already begun to act on Western partners, and this was the main task of the sanctions - to redirect the course of the European economy to the opposite of Russia.
  39. Russ69
    Russ69 5 August 2014 11: 57
    -8
    Josh Ernest: Sanctions could not change the course of Russia

    And what course did Russia have in general? As we sat on the pope evenly, so we sit ... smile
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 August 2014 12: 08
      +4
      Quote: Russ69
      And what course did Russia have in general? As we sat on the pope evenly, so we sit.

      C'mon, don’t make my slippers laugh.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 5 August 2014 13: 45
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        C'mon, don’t make my slippers laugh.

        I mean, about New Russia. Maybe I don’t understand, explain what the government has a course in this direction, what it wants all the same and what does it do?
        If you explain, I will be glad ...
        1. Geo
          Geo 5 August 2014 14: 46
          +6
          I will express a personal opinion.
          In my opinion, the goal is to remove (change) the pro-American leadership in Kiev, but what would it look like as an "internal affair" of Ukraine itself. Methods and means are different - economic, political, informational, military (to a certain extent), I will not say anything concrete in all areas, but the goal is most likely this. Since it is difficult and unnecessary to simply take Donbas with the current leadership of Kiev. We need Kiev, as well as the whole of Ukraine. Otherwise, we get an enemy state on the border with a population of 40 million people.
          I repeat, this is how I see this situation. And this is a long time, not just to send troops and get stuck there like ameri.kosa in Afghanistan or Iraq.
    2. Magamed
      Magamed 5 August 2014 14: 07
      +1
      Quote: Russ69
      Josh Ernest: Sanctions could not change the course of Russia

      And what course did Russia have in general? As we sat on the pope evenly, so we sit ... smile

      So that's just the point until he pecked the rooster in one place. The main thing now is not to give slack.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 5 August 2014 14: 50
        -4
        Quote: Magamed
        The main thing now is not to give slack.

        Is power now turned to face New Russia? I don’t see something ...
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 5 August 2014 16: 56
          0
          Quote: Russ69
          Is power now turned to face New Russia? I don’t see something ...

          Minuses stuck, but no one could explain how Russia helps New Russia, so ... smile
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 5 August 2014 18: 48
            +3
            Quote: Russ69
            how Russia helps Novorossia, so no one could ...

            For example, I transferred funds ... And I campaigned for something else ...
            If this movement had taken on a truly popular scale, then the militia would have bought a lot of things in military labor ... And it’s harder too ... But military labor works - there’s no way to go anywhere. Medical fact.
          2. Geo
            Geo 5 August 2014 21: 12
            +3
            No one will transfer weapons, equipment, medicines, equipment, and money in suitcases under camera flashes. Bribe generals and politicians on the air, and then give a press conference "following the meetings." Look at the results of the work of the militia against any, but the regular army of Ukraine. Without the rear and logistical support, this is not realistic. And there is no evidence, the work is clean, we have nothing to do with it, try to prove it.
            I did not put cons.
  40. Andrey92
    Andrey92 5 August 2014 12: 00
    +4
    You know gentlemen, in my opinion, these very sanctions make Russia only stronger. Sometimes there is a feeling of anxiety for our economy, which later develops into laughter at the dibilism of the EU and the United States. In the end, whoever says that we do not respond to sanctions is wrong. We answer, let us not shout about it like some. Replacing the products and services of Western partners with their own, or Eastern, or those who remained "with us". soldier
  41. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 5 August 2014 12: 01
    +2
    Amerikosy, we won’t make any concessions to you — they’re barbaric to militia Novrossia soon you will receive your sanctions
  42. shinobi
    shinobi 5 August 2014 12: 02
    +3
    The fundamental misconception of the current US leadership is that they still believe that the oligarchs rule the Russian Federation. All sanctions are generally aimed at them in the expectation that they will remove Putin. sanctions and threats butter on their daily bread. It will end with the fact that dissatisfied oligarchs, who are dumber (smart ones have already dumped from the country), will stir up (try) riots, then their heads will be turned away.
    1. Valestine
      Valestine 5 August 2014 12: 28
      +3
      Amidofo! Yes come true!
    2. arch_kate3
      arch_kate3 5 August 2014 14: 21
      +1
      The oligarchs are the aphids that the ants (siloviki) milk! They won’t jerk anywhere!
  43. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 5 August 2014 12: 03
    +3
    Like the White House, everyone's brains were blown up. The absurdity of these demands is the same as if we were accused of the coup d'etat that took place in February against the backdrop of a "peaceful" Maidan. Another would be to shift the entire Maidan to Russia and blame all the troubles that are in Ukraine today.
  44. USSR-2.0
    USSR-2.0 5 August 2014 12: 04
    +4
    Rather, we would have already entered everything that is possible!
    Maybe all liberal r ... but will fall to the beloved west ...
  45. fly fishing
    fly fishing 5 August 2014 12: 06
    +6
    Dear Barack Obama, please impose sanctions on the supply of bush legs to Russia! Without your purple chicken, our people will be healthier!
  46. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 5 August 2014 12: 08
    +7
    This week, the US plans to introduce the previously promised sanctions against the Russian oil industry, which will limit the supply of equipment for non-traditional methods of oil production.

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/778/dqvw42.jpg
    1. Valestine
      Valestine 5 August 2014 12: 32
      +4
      He is just a puppet and he knows this very well. We are unlikely to recognize the true puppeteers in person. The gas-shale lobby decided to stop him. In September, he will consider the issue of impeachment Obama. But radish horseradish is not sweeter. In any case, they will determine US foreign policy - the party of war.
    2. Loner_53
      Loner_53 5 August 2014 16: 37
      0
      Who will stop? Children what is his name?P U T AND N !!! smile
  47. DPZ
    DPZ 5 August 2014 12: 10
    +3
    sanctions, they urge the oligarchy to put pressure on power. I hope the power will stand. I hope the people will support the government and will not break.
    1. Jasen63
      Jasen63 5 August 2014 16: 47
      +2
      I believe that for all his fat life, Oligorkhat will not put pressure on the authorities. Whoever they are, their mentality is Russian. And in the case of "Victory" Russia and our rich people will be the best.
  48. b.t.a.
    b.t.a. 5 August 2014 12: 10
    +5
    Yes, damn at least how Russia will behave sanctions will still be. Right there. Americans saw that Russia is rising from its knees. Trying to trade their resources not for dollars. Not allowed to bomb Syria and Iran. By the way, Assad also did not want to trade oil for dollars and he was destined for Gaddafi’s fate. So Russia and Putin swung at the holy of holies of the Rackefellers and all the welfare of the United States. Which in FIG Ukraine. Not that player in the global economy, so that the EU and the next in the chain and the United States lost in the economy. They simply stupidly punish Russia for trying to refuse to trade for dollars.
  49. sgazeev
    sgazeev 5 August 2014 12: 11
    +4
    An unconventional way of oil production, is that offshore production? They don’t know Russia. Ushakov drenched them non-traditionally, Kutuzov drenched them non-traditionally, Brusilov, Zhukov also non-traditional. to the White House! bully
  50. Arh
    Arh 5 August 2014 12: 12
    +1
    Kakal I on your sanctions !!!