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NATO confirmed facts of use of ballistic missiles by Ukraine

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A NATO spokesman in Brussels in an interview with Deutsche Welle confirmed the use of ballistic missiles by the Ukrainian army against the Donbas militia. According to him, the information is based on data obtained by US intelligence. The representative of the alliance did not provide any details.



Channel LifeNews Recalls that CNN was the first to report on the use of ballistic missiles by Ukraine on 29 in July. A military expert told about this, citing anonymous sources in government circles.

Experts agreed that we are talking about the “Point U” complex, which was created in the Soviet Union in 70's. In addition to the rocket, the complex includes a launcher, arsenal equipment and a tractor. As of last year, 90 of such missiles was in the army of Ukraine. Of these: 78 in storage and 12 on alert.

The Tochka U complex is distinguished by high accuracy, the range of the missile’s flight is up to 120 km.
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  1. ughhh
    ughhh 1 August 2014 19: 09
    +24
    completely ouels
    1. Caa
      Caa 1 August 2014 19: 16
      +19
      I hope that the RF Ministry of Defense is collecting a "bunch" of data on these launches in order to tell them in all their glory. It would be informative.
      1. de klermon
        de klermon 1 August 2014 19: 29
        +41
        Wow! .. It can’t be! And in the State Department they didn’t know !!! They even say today that they cannot confirm anything like that! ..
        However, the militias are also to blame for this - they do not allow themselves to be killed with conventional weapons, and for this reason, the ukro-government "showing amazing restraint" and the ukrokomandovka "behaving in the highest degree of responsibility" are forced to use these weapons!
        Previously, a tear always came when I remembered how the Soviet strategic weapons were cut with Svidomites for American money, but now ... Now I think that I’d like to say thanks to them: those Svidomites of the 90s simply danced in comparison with the current ones! The first rockets were simply cut, and the second rockets kill people !!!
        1. Duke
          Duke 1 August 2014 19: 35
          +17
          An unusual movie premiere took place last week. A new Russian film was released, the main role in which was played by ... the Ural tank. The author and presenter of the documentary is the Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. The picture, created with the assistance of the Russian Military Historical Society and the Military Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation, was filmed in the Urals. The place was not chosen by chance: after all, the Urals are not only the supporting edge of the state, but also the heart of modern Russian tank building.
          Every second tank that is sold in the world today is created here - at the Ural Carriage Works. Almost no military conflict on the planet is complete without the participation of Tagil military vehicles. It is here, in Yekaterinburg, that the only enterprise in Russia producing artillery systems for armored vehicles is located - Plant No. 9, which is part of the UVZ corporation.
          The author and presenter of the painting “Tanks. Ural character ”became Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation Dmitry Rogozin, and Sergey Savushkin became the director and producer.
          In the film, which consists of two parts with a total duration of one and a half hours, several storylines and semantic layers intertwined with each other at once. On the one hand, it tells about the formation and development of the entire Ural industry, about three global industrializations during the reign of Peter I, the Great Patriotic War and the period when Vladimir Putin took the helm of the country.
          On the other hand, the film is dedicated to domestic tanks and their creators - enterprises and people, from simple workers to outstanding designers such as Leonid Kartsev and Vladimir Potkin, the “fathers” of two legends of world tank building - T-72 and T-90С.
          1. Korablev
            Korablev 1 August 2014 19: 51
            -35
            Quote: Duke
            about three global industrialization since the reign of Peter I, World War II and the period when Vladimir Putin stood at the helm of the country

            Are you serious?
            1. rasputin17
              rasputin17 1 August 2014 20: 07
              +15
              Quote: Korablev
              Quote: Duke
              about three global industrialization since the reign of Peter I, World War II and the period when Vladimir Putin stood at the helm of the country

              Are you serious?

              No!! The author simply joked that you would eat what was drained from the table into the garbage can !!
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 1 August 2014 20: 26
                +6
                Oh, by the way, about tanks! Today I saw a video from the popular mechanics! American TOW rocket against the Russian T-72 tank!
                Serious weapon!

                In the online community of American veterans FUNKER530 posted a video demonstrating the destruction of the T-72 tank missile of the American anti-tank complex TOW in slow motion.

                The video was shot during the exercises using high-speed cameras and then mounted so that you could see the moment when the blast wave reaches the fuel and ammunition on board the T-72. Here, the TOW 2B Aero rocket was used, which detonates exactly above the target, releasing a shock nucleus of a cumulative charge into it.


                http://www.popmech.ru/weapon/45228-amerikanskaya-raketa-tow-protiv-rossiyskogo-t

                anka-t-72-video /
                1. Bugor
                  Bugor 1 August 2014 20: 38
                  +14
                  How many explosives did they cram into the tank before, didn’t they say anywhere?
                2. Yun Klob
                  Yun Klob 1 August 2014 20: 40
                  +2
                  This is Javelin.
                3. APASUS
                  APASUS 1 August 2014 20: 51
                  +2
                  Quote: Sid.74
                  Oh, by the way, about tanks! Today I saw a video from popular mechanics! American TOW rocket against Russian T-72 tank! Serious weapon!


                  TOW were going to deliver to the Ukrainian army, or did we decide to give tanks to the militias, why this info ???
                  1. Sid.74
                    Sid.74 2 August 2014 11: 38
                    +1
                    Quote: APASUS
                    TOW were going to deliver to the Ukrainian army, or did we decide to give tanks to the militias, why this info ???

                    Well, why so soon! Just an interesting video, if this shell is not fiction, then the weapon is creepy! request
                4. dim242
                  dim242 1 August 2014 21: 25
                  +9
                  b .... b Hollywood in shock))))
                5. northern
                  northern 1 August 2014 21: 55
                  +9
                  famous dupe, the tank had several tons of explosives
                  1. Sid.74
                    Sid.74 2 August 2014 11: 41
                    +2
                    Quote: north
                    famous dupe, the tank had several tons of explosives

                    Ugh, the mechanics are also popular with me! feel
                    1. northern
                      northern 2 August 2014 16: 58
                      +2
                      What did you want from an American magazine licensed in the Russian Federation?
                      There really is quite a lot of suitable material, and they are good at pushing science to the masses. But there are plenty of snowstorms there.
                6. Grim Reaper
                  Grim Reaper 1 August 2014 22: 49
                  +6
                  Popular mechanics near the censor ... Delusional articles. Popular mechanics are only from Perelman ... And then, taking into account education at the USSR level
                7. samuil60
                  samuil60 1 August 2014 23: 43
                  +4
                  And what, "Abrams" explode from these missiles in a different way? More graceful?
                8. Sinbad
                  Sinbad 2 August 2014 17: 06
                  +3
                  An old propaganda trick from the land of pi-ndo-sii. All that is Russian is bad, all that they are is good. But seriously, any technique has vulnerabilities, the main thing to know and not to substitute.
            2. Sanmast
              Sanmast 1 August 2014 22: 43
              +1
              I confirm !!! First Vladimir !!! Then ...
            3. the polar
              the polar 2 August 2014 07: 56
              -13
              Quote: Korablev
              Quote: Duke
              about three global industrialization since the reign of Peter I, World War II and the period when Vladimir Putin stood at the helm of the country

              Are you serious?

              Aha ha! How many brainless lackeys slammed off and hastened to report that they were lackeys, everything was in place and vigilant.
          2. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 1 August 2014 20: 43
            +12
            Quote: Duke
            about three global industrializations during the reign of Peter the Great, World War II and the period when Vladimir Putin took the helm of the country.

            And Ivan the Terrible? They forgot that after his reign in Russia, artillery numbered thousands of barrels, guns were the property of any small fortress. For that time, foundry cannons were the pinnacle of technological progress, and therefore reflected the development of the entire industry of Russia.
        2. de klermon
          de klermon 1 August 2014 19: 51
          +20
          By the way! Even in NATO, they confirmed that the grass is green, the sky is blue, and the water is wet! .. True, the latter fact still needs additional verification, experts say the US State Department! ..
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        3. Iline
          Iline 2 August 2014 07: 17
          +3
          Moscow. August 2. INTERFAX.RU - Minister of Defense of Ukraine Valery Geletey refutes information about Ukraine's use of medium-range ballistic missiles.

          "In Ukraine, there are no such ballistic missiles that they talk about, they do not exist in nature," Geletay said on the Shuster-Live program on Saturday night.

          Something like this. Though si in the eye, all God's dew. Turned on a fool and you're already white and fluffy.
        4. alexandr-budarin1
          alexandr-budarin1 2 August 2014 10: 46
          +4
          Listen! So soon it will come to the point that, due to a lack of personnel, Tymoshenko and she will be appointed to the post of defense minister: "Wakes up to shoot Russians from ATOMIC WEAPONS." fool
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 1 August 2014 20: 07
        +9
        Quote: caa
        I hope that the RF Ministry of Defense is collecting a "bunch" of data on these launches in order to tell them in all their glory. It would be informative.

        And it seems to me that it was our people who poked the amers with their noses, that is, they learned about it from our submission. Who should simply be confronted with the fact that the missiles were shot down and there are all records of this, and if the West drives a blizzard at us, they will be published in the press. In general, most likely, our president gave Obama the opportunity to "save face" in exchange for some concessions, and what - time will tell.
        1. El torro
          El torro 1 August 2014 20: 44
          +12
          All ballistic starts are in pencil. You are not making fools of Americans. Ballistic launch - a potential nuclear strike. They all pinpoint everything and immediately become ears.

          Therefore, all countries warn each other in advance that they intend to launch a missile test or launch, so that by chance someone does not press a button with a fright.
          1. Black
            Black 1 August 2014 21: 10
            +7
            Quote: El Torro
            Therefore, all countries warn each other in advance


            That's it!!!!
            And here they drag us in, that they drag Russia into the war !!! But who needs a war? Who wants to die? You just look, how they bequeathed ... and today the Obama frame with GDP in a telephone conversation agreed that the war is a rotten business .... Conclusion, crush the junta in all possible ways. Help the militia everyone !!!
          2. DONCHANKA
            DONCHANKA 3 August 2014 21: 42
            +1
            On TV they say civil war. Lying ! Units of militias compared with the number of Poles, Balts, Amers, Dutch, Sudanese and other mischief ...
      3. Момент
        Момент 1 August 2014 20: 22
        +2
        What are they going to do, what punishment awaits Kiev?
        1. de klermon
          de klermon 1 August 2014 20: 49
          +1
          Punishment? Punishment for Kiev? From whom, from NATO ?! Well, if in front of the United States they nakosyachat in an adult way, then ... The powder will be deprived of sweet! For a week ... If immediately "the flippers do not stick together" ...
      4. zanoza
        zanoza 1 August 2014 21: 38
        +2
        Quote: caa
        I hope that the RF Ministry of Defense is collecting a "bunch" of data on these launches,

        Yes, today hohlyaks do not care. The states have already given them an "indulgence" for these launches. They nodded their approval. The West silently contemplates the chaos.
        But the State Department still can not find confirmation of the killings of civilians and the destruction of cities and towns in social networks.
        Ghouls! am
      5. Predator
        Predator 1 August 2014 21: 41
        +2
        Quote: caa
        I hope that the RF Ministry of Defense is collecting a "bunch" of data on these launches in order to tell them in all their glory. It would be informative.

        According to press and TV reports, these missiles were shot down by the Russian air defense, since they are controlled along the entire flight path and that the operator will not be knocked at the head. If so, then well done.
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 1 August 2014 19: 19
      +9
      Have ukrovoyaki already reached the stage of complete insanity.
    3. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 1 August 2014 19: 21
      +31
      Do you remember how it all began ..? From Kalash, from mortar shelling, then from howitzers, then from hailstones (well, there are phosphoric ones, cassettes, etc.) "the world community is silent .. Well, let's mock up from the ballistic Donbass and Lugansk (you have 90 of them left) 20 pieces that will more or less roll the city into a clean one ... You have the US-UN indulgence ..! Well, let's go to the State Department ... (our mobilization begins ..) We got it nah ..!
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 1 August 2014 19: 32
        +12
        Quote: MIKHAN
        20- pieces that more or less roll out the city into a clean ...

        Not a fact! The head part which was dug up did not explode! Fuel in rockets after 15-20 years of seams! Nobody served them all this time! There is little sense from them!
        That's what Colonel Kassad writes about Points!

        Thesis about the story with "Tochki"

        1. Complexes "Tochka" Ukraine has, the question of their combat use is purely a matter of time, just as it was a matter of time at one time the use of "Grad", "Tornado", "Hurricanes" and "Tulips". Restraining restraints have long been removed, both conventional and non-conventional weapons are used. Therefore, the "Points" will of course be applied with the supportive silence of the "progressive world community".

        2. Whether Russia shot down the launched "Tochki", our sources in the DPR have no information. If such a story took place, then Russia will not be particularly interested in the wide publicity of this episode, like the junta, therefore, if we consider this version, then the behind-the-scenes movements of the diplomats of the Russian Federation and the United States are echoes of real history.

        3. Can the "Points" be used to organize the provocation that Strelkov spoke about? Of course they can. Therefore, it is necessary to indicate in advance who benefits from this provocation and who prepares it. It's better to keep an eye out here. than to miss. The story with the threat of chemical provocation reflects the persistent desire of the fascist junta to recoup the failure with the downed Boeing, after which the junta and its owners had to openly flow around, trying to smear the cant of performers.

        4. In military terms, the use of "Points" is unlikely to greatly add to the junta, because even without them the junta has quite ample opportunities for delivering artillery and air strikes against the positions of the militia and residential areas. The low efficiency of this kind of complexes was proved during the war in Syria, where the use of "Scuds" had an extremely weak effect on the course of hostilities.

        5. Therefore, the meaning of the whole story with "Tochki" is whether the junta and its masters will decide on a new provocation with mass casualties among innocent people, or whether "Tochki" will rather remain a potential threat "just in case."
        1. Duke
          Duke 1 August 2014 19: 58
          +6
          LifeNews found out what ballistic missiles Ukraine could launch. We are talking about "Tochka U", developed in the USSR in the 70s. In addition to the missile itself, the complex consists of a launcher, arsenal equipment and several types of tractors. As of 2013, Ukraine had 90 such missiles: 78 in storage, and another 12 are on alert and are at the missile brigade in the city of Khmelnytsky. However, the security officials have no combat experience in using these complexes.
          “In Ukraine there was only one case of the use of short-range ballistic missiles,” said political analyst Vladimir Evseev. - And then they got into a residential building. Although there was shooting without real ammunition, the structures were broken and one Ukrainian resident was killed. This is an indicator of how the Ukrainian army can shoot.
          Thus, terrible weapons, the use of which can lead to a huge number of victims, are in the hands of people who simply do not know how to handle them.
          In the state of first readiness, "Point U" shoots every two minutes, while the weapon is highly accurate. The launch range is up to 120 kilometers.
          “Today it is the heaviest ammunition used in Ukraine,” said military observer Vladislav Shurygin. “One rocket can destroy a nine-story house.”
          The flight path is calculated using digital terrain maps. The complex is used to destroy tactically important objects, for example, to render harmless an enemy command post or storage facility. Kiev to strike at the militia could use missiles with different types of military equipment.
          “They can use either high-explosive fragmentation rockets with an area of ​​2,3 hectare or cluster missiles,” explained Anatoly Tsyganok, head of the Center for Military Forecasting. - The latter are used to strike at manpower and armored vehicles in open areas.
          On July 29, the American CNN channel announced the launch by the Ukrainian military of a ballistic missile against militias. A military expert said this, citing data from government sources.
          According to him, over the past two days, the Kiev authorities fired several short-range ballistic missiles in the Donbass. The place from which the launches were carried out, as well as the purposes for which they were launched, are not specified.
          1. 9lvariag
            9lvariag 1 August 2014 22: 06
            +1
            Was there a boy? Is there a KBCh on such missiles of this complex? And are there full-fledged components of it on the storage bases? On my own behalf, my former colleague said that it would be worse if the "Luna" complex were shot. At least there is a liquid-propellant engine.
            1. Saratovets
              Saratovets 1 August 2014 22: 28
              +1
              the moon is a solid rocket, and the radius of expansion is + -100 m, at best, but normal if + -1000 m)))
          2. 77bob1973
            77bob1973 1 August 2014 22: 07
            +4
            The fact of the matter is that aero data are needed to hit the target. and space reconnaissance, which, for obvious reasons, the Ukrainians do not have, and therefore it is not able to get anywhere, i.e. "into the white light as a penny."
            1. samoletil18
              samoletil18 2 August 2014 22: 10
              0
              There is a version that the Americans handed over to the dill for launching the "point-y".
              1. DONCHANKA
                DONCHANKA 3 August 2014 21: 52
                +1
                Americans rule here to the fullest. Look at the broken parts. Mountains of dry rations, knives, weapons, and everywhere the USA stamp ...
        2. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 1 August 2014 20: 05
          +4
          Quote: Sid.74
          Not a fact! The head part which was dug up did not explode! Fuel in rockets after 15-20 years of seams! Nobody served them all this time! There is little sense from them!
          That's what Colonel Kassad writes about Points!

          Maybe you’re right, and still .. (Satan has been on duty for 30 years (partly dill in the dill) .. It will be sense when cities simply don’t aim at 90 out of 20 (a ton of explosives, but there may still be some thread to lay down ... if the states give a ride ..) These degenerates are all the same .. they are temporary workers and executors .. (people are sorry) And Russia will respond adequately and immediately.!
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 1 August 2014 20: 18
            +2
            Quote: MIKHAN
            (Satan 30 years stood on duty (dill to the stat partially) ..

            As I understand it, the Point is a solid-fuel single-stage rocket, and Satan is a liquid two-stage! Honestly, I can not comment on how this fact affects the life of the engine! But I believe that the difference in them is very noticeable!
            1. gfs84
              gfs84 1 August 2014 20: 35
              +2
              As I understand it, the Point is a solid-fuel single-stage rocket ... Honestly, I can not comment on how this fact affects the life of the engine!


              Missiles Rocket 9M79 (9M79-1) in conventional equipment can be stored fully assembled for 10 years.


              http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/tochka/tochka.shtml
            2. pahom54
              pahom54 2 August 2014 09: 33
              +3
              for Sid. 74
              Yes, the difference is palpable.
              The USSR, and then Russia, lagged behind the United States in solid-fuel rockets at one time (both range and accuracy depend on the quality of solid fuels), and they appeared in our country later ...
              Imagine (this I simplify) that solid fuel is the same gunpowder. Well, imagine the conditions of its storage and the factors affecting its shelf life - humidity, temperature, etc ...
              And Satan-Voevoda is liquid, and aggressive liquid is in glass capsules ... In addition, it is in one place (in a mine, silos), regular inspections, regulations, and preventive measures are carried out ...
              And the suburb "Tochka" xs how and where it was kept all this time ...
              So the reliability of liquid rockets is much greater.
      2. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 1 August 2014 19: 36
        +6
        It’s an exact weapon and the city doesn’t roll out even 100 pieces, but a lot of people in the field can be hit in the field from 3,5 to 7 hectares, taking into account the launch of 2 missiles, thank God all Ukraine has no nuclear and chemical warheads, it sounds scary but in fact (in the conditions of the city and mobility of the militias) this is all unpleasant but not critical.
      3. kmike
        kmike 1 August 2014 20: 18
        +7
        No, it all started like a kindergarten, with "bottles with diesel fuel", practically baby food, "onizhedeti". This was then followed by "Buki" and "Tochki". These people clearly have a big problem with their heads. fool
        1. alexng
          alexng 1 August 2014 22: 39
          +2
          Quote: kmike
          These people clearly have a big problem with their heads.


          What problems can be with the head for those who do not have a head. There is an ass in her place, flooded with antifreeze.
    4. voldmis
      voldmis 1 August 2014 19: 28
      +7
      completely ouels


      No, not yet at the end. Chem left. use weapons and a dirty bomb for the population ... Until now, it’s hard to believe which creatures they came to power.
    5. USSR 1971
      USSR 1971 1 August 2014 19: 37
      +12
      The fact that the headquarters of the ATO ate ear is for sure. Here you need to understand that BRMD type "POINT-U" without a nuclear warhead weapon, although powerful, but without intelligence and comprehensive support and prepared calculations (I doubt that practical firing was carried out) - this weapon does not give guaranteed victories to the junta. One salvo of several artillery batteries of the D-30 type, so the junta has been using them for a long time. Again, these (cut) from Kiev will terrify the local population more than the militias. With such a level of training and moral deformity, which is inherent in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, most likely these are again victims of the civilian population. If the situation goes too far, they will remember these missiles and shove them into one place. Not immediately, but they will definitely shove it in. How good it is that these idiots were once freed from nuclear potential, they would swing them right and left now.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 2 August 2014 01: 56
        +3
        Well, for stationary purposes, the point may work well, but the militia has goals - Saur-Mogila, office buildings, life support facilities, etc. It’s too early to write off the points, although it’s hardly worth expecting great effectiveness against the militia from the Ukrop missile, but there will be a lot of destruction.
    6. pasha24
      pasha24 1 August 2014 19: 45
      +3
      must be punished for this
    7. BOB044
      BOB044 1 August 2014 19: 45
      +6
      It’s a pity the militia of topla is not grown, otherwise they would send one in return, let it grow. The junta will not calm down, it is so mired in it. Only a stranger will calm it. And everything will be alright
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 1 August 2014 20: 08
        +15
        Here is the rzhaka!

        Kiev, August 01 (Navigator, Victoria Litovchenko) - ATO forces took the New World in the Starobeshevsky district of Donetsk region.

        This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine on their Facebook page.

        According to the agency, the Ukrainian security forces are conducting an operation along the state border.

        “Separate units, which have recently been constantly under fire from various artillery systems (including BM-21 Grad), are taken to new frontiers. Now the personnel is safe, ”the Ministry of Defense noted.

        According to the agency, over the past day, the Russian aviation several times illegally crossed the state border of Ukraine, going deeper into the territory at 10-15 kilometers.

        “Anti-terrorist operation forces record such violations by radar and visually. Just yesterday, for example, flights of four fire support helicopters from the Russian Federation were recorded. And with the help of radar - 3 means, aviation targets moved at a speed of 800 kilometers per hour, ”the report said.

        800 km, well nifiga yourself! fellow Our helicopters are the most helicopter in the world! The United States nervously smokes on the sidelines!laughing
        1. jPilot
          jPilot 1 August 2014 20: 49
          +10
          Class!! fellow I already wanted to return to the army, to fly at the limit with such a technique wassat that's where the adrenaline is. Amerikosy not only smoke on the sidelines, they are going to curtail all their affairs from fear good
          In addition, the US must be destroyed
        2. Saratovets
          Saratovets 1 August 2014 22: 31
          +5
          The fence grass in Kiev is now ugly
        3. DONCHANKA
          DONCHANKA 3 August 2014 21: 59
          +2
          Maybe enough to delicate Russia?
    8. raccoon
      raccoon 1 August 2014 20: 14
      +6
      Now we have to take away ballistic missiles from dill. And that will be right. They guard them weakly))) fellow
      1. DONCHANKA
        DONCHANKA 3 August 2014 22: 01
        +2
        So come to select. New Russia will help.
    9. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 1 August 2014 20: 53
      +6
      Still they would not have confirmed ....... And where would they go to FIG when Russia brought them down. They wanted to kill two birds with one stone - to smash the militias and check for lice in the air defense of Russia, and drag the third hare that the militia and Russia are guilty of the mass murder of civilians. AHA - "rush-rush" did not work !!! The air defense of the Russian Federation works just fine - no casualties were allowed. Russia probably has all the data and parameters for the launch and trajectory, the militias have almost 2-meter fragments of missiles, the Americans and the Gutroshenko after Boeing have another hemorrhoid. That’s nice - Europa already has a bit of a start from the actions of the new European integrators and their older little black brother. Soon they will start to hiccup ...
      1. AstanaKZ
        AstanaKZ 2 August 2014 09: 20
        +4
        There was an interesting question! Who and what brought them down?
        1. MBA78
          MBA78 2 August 2014 11: 47
          +1
          information based on U.S. intelligence
          that they ... show off their spont with an all-seeing eye chtoli ...
        2. DONCHANKA
          DONCHANKA 3 August 2014 22: 01
          +1
          The main thing is shot down.
    10. divangeneral
      divangeneral 3 August 2014 11: 02
      +1
      national gathering online on the possibility of using ballistic missiles by Ukraine against storage facilities with chlorine and ammonia. everyone’s opinion is important
      http://narodedin.com/post/voennoe-rukovodstvo-dnr-zajavilo-o-tom,-chto-ukrainska
      ja-hunta-gotovit-chudoviwnye-terakty /
  2. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 August 2014 19: 10
    +2
    I wonder what conclusions will be drawn from this? Like everything is normal, bomb further? Or use old to gradually drain the ruin?
  3. Cat
    Cat 1 August 2014 19: 11
    +11
    This is a complete paragraph! ATC of Ukraine claims that Point-U is not a ballistic Republic of Kazakhstan. And then what ?! Professionals, b ...
    1. Cat
      Cat 1 August 2014 19: 19
      +12
      At the headquarters of the ATO, they won’t have to say that ballistic missiles should not be placed on missiles in Ukrainian military services since 1996.
      The Ukrainian Army did not vykoristovuyu balistic missiles in the framework of the anti-terrorist operation at the descent of the land, because of UNN's orders to the ATO headquarters in Pyatnitsa, 1 Serpnya.

      "The Ukrainian army could not vikoristovuvati balistic missiles before the hour of the ATO, because of the odor not to stand on the armored forces of Ukraine since 1996," the ATO headquarters said.

      Yak was indicated in the more frequent information about the Victoria of the high-missile Tochka-U missiles, the given missiles aren’t ballistic and the information is not widespread and the locations are not widespread, the fragments are too big.
      1. Cat
        Cat 1 August 2014 19: 35
        +10
        ABOUT! Judging by the minuses, some of our colleagues believe that there was nothing like this?
        1. KuigoroZHIK
          KuigoroZHIK 1 August 2014 19: 39
          +11
          some of our colleagues are idiotic, not realizing that the message is a quote. Do not worry. Correct the situation.
          1. Cat
            Cat 1 August 2014 19: 49
            +7
            Danke Sean, I work with 6-dm smart, it was necessary to issue as a quote.
            1. Cat
              Cat 1 August 2014 19: 57
              +2
              Well, this is ... Friday, yes)))
      2. Dart weyder
        Dart weyder 1 August 2014 19: 41
        +8

        and in 2000 what then in Brovary (District in Kiev) fell! ???
        1. Cat
          Cat 1 August 2014 19: 46
          +13
          Tunguska meteorite launched personally by GDP
  4. Kimblee
    Kimblee 1 August 2014 19: 12
    +8
    Are they proud of it? Otherwise, NATO would refute it. Although they seem to have already justified the use of missiles, scum.
  5. gfs84
    gfs84 1 August 2014 19: 12
    +8
    All this is strange ...
    Why is NATO and the United States making a fuss over the use of ballistic missiles by the UKRAINIAN army (notice not the Militias, namely the junta)? ..
    Not because they want to involve Russia by showing it the "interception" of these very "missiles" over the territory of the "independent state formation" Ukraine? ...
    1. Volxov
      Volxov 1 August 2014 19: 26
      -1
      The bloodthirsty United States wants the Ukrainians to shoot Grad and exterminate the civilian population, while Tochka-u only hits terrorists and destroys valuable and expensive command personnel.
    2. asar
      asar 1 August 2014 19: 53
      +12
      “The CNN statement was made specifically for the Russian Federation - not about launches. And about the fact that the Ukrainians did not shoot at Russia, but at the Donbass. Russia, I think, accepted this. However, a missile flying towards our border, with an incomprehensible filling in the warhead (despite the fact that Point-U is capable of carrying tactical nuclear weapons) is a clear threat. Russia was obliged to bring them down. Which I did. Following this was to be an adequate response. That is, an attack on Ukraine, the beginning of an army operation, etc. Because it’s already impossible to tolerate a monkey with a grenade at your doorstep. It was a red line. The junta crossed over without blinking an eye, and perhaps without even realizing what she was doing. Kerry just literally stopped the Russian army’s entry into Ukraine a couple of hours ago, ”the Russian blogger is sure.


      "Naryl" on the Internet. I am inclined to agree!
      1. Curculum
        Curculum 2 August 2014 10: 35
        +1
        Quote: asar
        "Naryl" on the Internet. I am inclined to agree!

        Greetings, dear! hi
        In my opinion, the following takes place:
        Chronology of applications for launching a ballistic missile in Ukraine:
        July 29, 2014: The US claims to have detected a ballistic missile launch. CNN says no one anyway! The shout of the White House.
        July 30, 2014: NSDC Speaker Lysenko says they weren’t allowed.
        August 01, 2014: NATO confirms that the launch was. Of course it confirms, because CNN has already reported to them.
        August 01, 2014: ATO headquarters say that they could not do this.
        Below details and disclosures. We are looking for someone profitable.
      2. Curculum
        Curculum 2 August 2014 10: 36
        +1
        Consider Ukraine's responses to, of course, "unfounded obvivaniya" intelligence of the United States and NATO. After the fall of Boeing, the intelligence units of the United States and NATO apparently woke up.
        After the US statement, the NSDC spokesman Lysenko said that the Ukrainian security forces did not use ballistic missiles during fights in the east of the country,
        "because they are very powerful."
        Very powerful, here is the military response. If they asked a girl how she could describe her, then she would probably say that she ... Green. Green and powerful.
        Then he was quickly enlightened and he clarified:
        “There are no ballistic missiles in Ukraine.”
        And so it turns out that the missiles are powerful, but they are not.
        After this statement, he does one more thing:
        "the Ukrainian army does not use missiles in the ATO zone"
        At first there were no ballistic, now there are no missiles at all. He’s lying, but he’s lying. There is no reproach.
      3. Curculum
        Curculum 2 August 2014 10: 38
        +1
        Now it is clear where the army has such successes, they simply strangle the opponent without missiles, with persuasion and weighty artillery arguments. I would even quote the classic: "the majority of Donetsk and Luhansk residents felt our sympathy, love and respect."
        "Are there any other questions?" - concluded the Russian Foreign Minister.
        Comments were taken from the ATO headquarters:
        "The Ukrainian army could not use ballistic missiles during the anti-terrorist operation, since they have not been in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine since 1996. On the use of Tochka-U precision missiles, these missiles are not ballistic and information on their use and deployment does not apply. because it is a military secret, "the ATO headquarters said.
        Again he repeats that there are NO rockets. And he clarifies that Point-U is not a ballistic missile at all.
        The pier was withdrawn from service in 1996, and in 2000 a training launch was conducted on the territory of Ukraine. Unsuccessful, true, but more on that below.
      4. Curculum
        Curculum 2 August 2014 10: 39
        0
        They don't know what ballistic missiles are. They don't even know that the U-Point is a ballistic missile. Well, of course, because a ballistic missile must have a ballistic trajectory. The ballistic trajectory for the Ukrainian missile is a sign of weakness and indulgence in the Maskal bloody regime. Therefore, by a strong-willed decision in the "ATO headquarters" they decided that if the rocket simply falls, cutting off the ballistic trajectory in the middle of the way, where it missed, then it is no longer ballistic! Apparently so, but how else can you explain?
        But at the headquarters of the Internet the guys are attentive and write everything:
        1. here they write on the arsenal of which countries Tochka-U stands, and the article was updated recently, since there is a mention of the United States that they spotted the launch of a ballistic missile over the territory of Ukraine.
        2. here the blogger writes how many Points-U are in service with Ukraine. But according to the "ATO headquarters" - this information is secret. Apparently, this is also a secret for them.
        3. I did not search further, but it seems to me on the internet you can find a map of the placement of these points in Ukraine.
        4. The operation of the Tochka-U Rocket is described. What if it falls into a single-entrance nine-story house, then the house will be folded into an accordion to the level of the second floor and covers a strip of 800 meters. It is also suggested that most likely they didn’t hit the city, but the Saur grave. Apparently the guys were completely desperate to take this height.
      5. Curculum
        Curculum 2 August 2014 10: 40
        +2
        Why do not we hear about a bunch of deaths, destruction and new conquests after launch?
        Indeed, according to CNN information, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had made at least THREE launches of the Point-U on targets in eastern Ukraine. There are two options:
        1. Everything is serious: Russia discovered the launches and without thinking for a second they shot them down, as it was in Syria. Sorry, if we record a launch from the Krasnodar Territory in the Mediterranean Sea, then next to the Krasnodar Territory all the more so you can see and hear. Saur Mogila is very close to our border. They shot at least 90-100 km. Therefore, on radars at the starting points of the rocket's movement, they quickly drew a straight line that permeates the Rostov region. And the range of this rocket is still up to 1000km. And CNN ran not out of joy to make a report, but out of fear of the White House that now everyone will have a kapets from angry Uncle Putin.
        2. Everything is as always in Ukraine:
        On April 20, 2000, a rocket was launched from the Goncharovsky training ground located 130 km north of Kiev, which, after launch, deviated 90 kilometers from the course (this is a HIGH-PRECISION weapon) and hit a residential building in the city at 15:07. Brovary, breaking through the building from the ninth to the second floor.
        Note the scale of the error, high-precision missiles deviated at a distance of 130 km to 90 km. It’s a pity that the zashivorot didn’t arrive, but peaceful people died.
        It's simple: the rocket is highly accurate if you have digital satellite images of the terrain with coordinates. BUT if you even shoot BUKami at a target at an altitude of 10 km with the help of spotters ... Then from Tochka-U they could shoot even without looking at the target. Maybe in Ukrainian "high-precision" reads as "self-guided by the power of thought"?
        It’s clear that they are lying. Godlessly. The thing is different. Both the USA and NATO have already said that they let them in, and they insist that they did not let them in. Here again I see two options:
        1. They simply process the Ukrainian public that everything is bad there, we are alone good. And in such a crisis situation, you will believe everything when there is a war on the border. And they all aimed at the beautiful body of a 23-year-old Ukrainian.
        2. Maybe the National Security and Defense Council and anti-terrorist operation headquarters did not let these missiles go? Maybe our friend Benya Kolomoysha again arranges provocations against Potroshenko, including us? I bought from a warrant officer at a sale and gave the guys an assignment? Definitely not excluded. Our fifth column, I think, in close contact with this comrade, is working to draw us into conflict. Just think about it, because Benya again receives the solid benefits of a missile entering the territory of the Russian Federation: Russia is involved, Offal is compromised, they will again forget about Israel and Gaza for a while.
        But the main thing is not that. Just imagine that you launched 3 rockets. If one rocket was launched in Chechnya and a flatman covered an area of ​​300m by 150m and there was nothing left alive. Three rockets - the guys on Saur-Mogile dug in firmly. After all, Saur-Mogila is the key point that holds the boiler. Perhaps even the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot reach Saur-Grave, because on the other hand they are being squeezed out by GRADES. Therefore, from the direction of Dnepropetrovsk or Kharkov, they rolled Point-U.
        upd1: And here is the retreat of the Ukrainians from Saur-Grave on August 2, 2014.
        upd2: "Minister of Defense" of Ukraine Geletey said:
        "Ukraine maintains all international agreements. We are a nuclear-free country. There are no ballistic missiles in nature in Ukraine. We are very transparent in this matter."
        Nuclear-free or still an INADNESS country?
        Well, ballistic missiles do not grow in Ukraine in the wild. Do not grow. There is no such instance in the local flora. Here in Soviet times they grew, therefore they were. Fertilizer is not right now.
        Damn, his comment will be torn into aphorisms.
    3. Korablev
      Korablev 1 August 2014 19: 55
      +3
      Quote: gfs84
      Why NATO and the US are making a fuss about the use of ballistic missiles by the UKRAINIAN army

      How why, is it not clear? So that even more people get scared and become more refugees in Russia. All this punitive anti-terrorist operation is carried out precisely for this purpose.
      1. asar
        asar 2 August 2014 08: 09
        +2
        Either shale gas or a new "promised land"!
  6. Des10
    Des10 1 August 2014 19: 14
    +2
    But because there is nothing else left.
    Only the generation deceived by upbringing - for Poroshenko & Yatsenyuk - is meat in the war.
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 1 August 2014 21: 07
      +2
      Deceived by upbringing Potroshenko & the egg-boy? UPBRINGING = feeding, trying to teach and educate children. The very word "Nutrition" in church glories. vocabulary = makes sense to cherish, and the prefix "vos" to cherish sublimely.
      "Not educated deceived generation for Potroshenko & Yaytsenyukh meat for war".
  7. VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 1 August 2014 19: 14
    +4
    It seems to me that the Americans specifically gave such information first — or did they substitute the parasets or frighten the militants, especially since our launches are not secreted too, they understand it — they understand
  8. Second
    Second 1 August 2014 19: 15
    +5
    If there is no "compulsion to peace", then bacterological, chemical weapons in mass use are ahead. Continuation of the genocide of civilians. DOCOLE ?!
  9. fantast
    fantast 1 August 2014 19: 15
    +15
    Motorola unit fighters shot down a UAV
    1. Dalmatia
      Dalmatia 1 August 2014 19: 20
      +4
      And what is it?
      1. Vasek
        Vasek 1 August 2014 19: 30
        +6
        Quote: Dalmatia
        And what is it?

        laughing
        cold missile.
        1. Dalmatia
          Dalmatia 1 August 2014 19: 43
          +3
          I seriously asked ..
          1. Yun Klob
            Yun Klob 1 August 2014 20: 44
            +6
            Tu-143 “Flight” - Soviet reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle

            It is intended for conducting tactical reconnaissance in the front line by photographing and television reconnaissance of area targets and individual routes, as well as monitoring the radiation situation along the flight route.
      2. bif
        bif 1 August 2014 20: 10
        +5
        Quote: Dalmatia
        And what is it?

        Ukrainian troops launched several drones in the area of ​​the military operation. Unmanned drones (Tu-143, Tu-300) from the Soviet period were spotted over Snezhnoye and Khartsyzsk, the 24 Report portal claims.
        1. Dalmatia
          Dalmatia 1 August 2014 20: 13
          +5
          Is this not dangerous for the militias?
          Judging by the video, the militias themselves do not understand what kind of aircraft in front of them)))
          Thanks for the reply.
          1. gfs84
            gfs84 1 August 2014 20: 40
            +5
            Is this not dangerous for the militias?


            These are scouts (although they are listed as targets in the VVSU ...) do not carry weapons.

            However, intelligence is knowledge, and knowledge in itself is power (Francis Bacon) ...
        2. gfs84
          gfs84 1 August 2014 20: 22
          +3
          Unmanned drones were seen over Snezhnoye and Khartsyzsk (Tu-143, Tu-300) still of the Soviet period


          Something or I'm dull or this Ukraine is in a parallel universe

          Tu-300 "Korshun-U" - Soviet and Russian tactical assault unmanned aerial vehicle designed by OKB them. Tupolev. Designed for aerial reconnaissance and destruction of detected ground targets. The first flight took place in 1991.


          In 2007, Interfax reported that the Tupolev Design Bureau was resuming work on the Tu-300 project, frozen in the mid-90s due to lack of funding.


          They have a campaign there, the union has not yet collapsed ...
          1. samoletil18
            samoletil18 2 August 2014 22: 49
            +1
            Quote: gfs84
            They have a campaign there, the union has not yet collapsed.

            Information for consideration: Formally (de jure), there are 2 countries that are not depicted on political punishment. USSR and East Germany.
    2. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 1 August 2014 19: 23
      +12
      Where to run ... Tu-141 unmanned reconnaissance aircraft. More from the reserves of the USSR. What "terrible weapon" are we talking about? Judging by the state of the apparatus, it landed on a parachute, just as they could not correctly indicate the coordinates of the place or the apparatus was slightly damaged
    3. mirag2
      mirag2 1 August 2014 19: 23
      +1
      It looks like a drone from the times of the USSR, either "YAK", or "TU" ... I don't remember, it's pretty ancient, if it's one.
    4. pensioner
      pensioner 1 August 2014 19: 24
      +1
      Nihrenase !!!! That's because SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSki !!
      Well, nothing ... Get to all those who gave orders and to those who thoughtlessly followed them.
    5. gfs84
      gfs84 1 August 2014 19: 26
      +6
      Motorola unit fighters shot down a UAV


      Is it the Tu-143 "Flight" from the VR-3 complex? They seem to be scouts, but in Ukraine, they seem to be used as a mess.

      Strange not pokotsat ...
      Either the fuel was exhausted or the EW tools were landed ...
      1. Login_Off
        Login_Off 1 August 2014 19: 38
        +4
        Yes, he worked his way and that’s it. There, it seems, the data transfer is going on remotely. Flies over the right place, transmitted the information, and then figs with it, let it land anywhere.
        1. gfs84
          gfs84 1 August 2014 19: 50
          +3
          Yes, he worked his way and that’s it. There, it seems, the data transfer is going on remotely. Flies over the right place, transmitted the information, and then figs with it, let it land anywhere.


          Everything can be, but if this is really so, then with the personnel in the Armed Forces of Ukraine it is definitely a matter of seams.

          IT kind of like flying like this:

          At the end of the flight, the Tu-143 turned around according to the program and returned back to the landing zone, where after stopping the engine and the hill maneuver, landing was carried out using a parachute-reactive system and landing gear.


          Maybe there was no one to program it "by", or maybe a banal refusal of technology)))
          1. Fregate
            Fregate 1 August 2014 20: 03
            +5
            Quote: gfs84
            or maybe a banal technology failure)))

            Yes, it was a refusal to follow orders. More or less "smart" technology does not want to work for the Nazis. laughing
            1. Dezinto
              Dezinto 1 August 2014 20: 41
              +8
              ))))) laughing Tochnik. This contraption tried to dither. Well nafig fly in this heat, some sort of separatists to look for. )))
    6. izGOI
      izGOI 1 August 2014 19: 40
      +2
      This is similar to the first Soviet drones, I saw this in the programs "Wings of Russia", but did not think that they are still preserved.
      BY THE WAY: during the "return of the Crimea", in the internet there were shots about the preparation of the Ruins for war. There was something similar, presented as a drone.
      But in any case: to use such a rarity, a purely ruinous stupidity. Firstly, it easily gets off, and secondly, it is sold to collectors of aircraft, and you can buy two normal drones. And you can not buy, but immediately money with .... Th.
  10. Revolver
    Revolver 1 August 2014 19: 16
    +13
    It is good that they were forced to surrender the entire vigorous reserve back in the 1990s, otherwise right now it would be ... or rather, there would have been neither Donetsk nor Lugansk. And there would be solid Hiroshima.
  11. mirag2
    mirag2 1 August 2014 19: 22
    +1
    I am glad, but it seems to be a zero sense, for the same State Department recognizes for the Ukrainian government "... the right to defend their country ..." - in response to reproaches in the methods and methods of this "protection".
  12. Alexgs
    Alexgs 1 August 2014 19: 22
    +3


    What kind of monster, militias shot down? Specialists tell me? It looks like the Soviet drones Tu 143.
    1. Prussian
      Prussian 1 August 2014 19: 26
      +4
      Old Soviet drone "Orlan"
      1. Alexgs
        Alexgs 1 August 2014 19: 27
        +1
        Not at all like ...
    2. snifer
      snifer 1 August 2014 19: 34
      +2
      oh wow that's a dinosaur belay
      1. EsTaF
        EsTaF 1 August 2014 19: 53
        +4
        There are 6 in total in the world. to museums.
        damn, sorry rarity)))
    3. Dezinto
      Dezinto 1 August 2014 20: 45
      +5
      Tu-143 “Flight” Designed for tactical reconnaissance in the front-line zone by photographing and television reconnaissance of area targets and individual routes, as well as monitoring the radiation situation along the flight route. It is part of the VR-3 complex.
  13. 020205
    020205 1 August 2014 19: 25
    +5
    Quote: Gato
    At the headquarters of the ATO, they won’t have to say that ballistic missiles should not be placed on missiles in Ukrainian military services since 1996.
    The Ukrainian Army did not vykoristovuyu balistic missiles in the framework of the anti-terrorist operation at the descent of the land, because of UNN's orders to the ATO headquarters in Pyatnitsa, 1 Serpnya.

    "The Ukrainian army could not vikoristovuvati balistic missiles before the hour of the ATO, because of the odor not to stand on the armored forces of Ukraine since 1996," the ATO headquarters said.

    Yak was indicated in the more frequent information about the Victoria of the high-missile Tochka-U missiles, the given missiles aren’t ballistic and the information is not widespread and the locations are not widespread, the fragments are too big.

    Che for this x..nya, or have forgotten how to write in Russian?
  14. Yellow white
    Yellow white 1 August 2014 19: 27
    +2
    from zagashnikov already got everything, then what?
    again the catapult will be tacked from Maidanchik negative
  15. Mishanya 84
    Mishanya 84 1 August 2014 19: 28
    +3
    When are they in the Parliament Ipanut !!! (By mistake)
  16. Realist
    Realist 1 August 2014 19: 29
    +1
    And where do you get from the evidence? Even the hounds!
  17. mamont5
    mamont5 1 August 2014 19: 29
    +8
    "The Tochka U complex is distinguished by high accuracy, the missile flight range is up to 120 km."

    And with crooked hands and slanting eyes of dill operators, therefore it can fly anywhere.
    1. Ararat
      Ararat 1 August 2014 19: 48
      +2
      They are soon in Russia, it is necessary to use the shell of air defense and shoot down on their territory.
    2. KBR109
      KBR109 1 August 2014 22: 26
      +2
      Well yes, high precision: Circular Probable Deviation of 200 meters. Plus, the shelf life was 2,5 times: almost uncontrollable weapons - to whom God would send.
  18. pvv113
    pvv113 1 August 2014 19: 30
    +5
    What kind of monster, militias shot down? Specialists tell me? It looks like the Soviet drones Tu 143

    This is a drone.
    Tu-143 "Flight" - reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). Intended for conducting tactical reconnaissance in the frontline at a depth of 60-70 km by photographing and television reconnaissance of area targets and individual routes, as well as monitoring the radiation situation along the flight route. It is part of the VR-3 complex.

    http://nevsedoma.com.ua/index.php?newsid=111109
    After the collapse of the USSR, a large number of them remained. As unnecessary, large parties began to sell to the Middle East as training aerial targets.
    And then look - they are still flying
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 1 August 2014 21: 31
      +2
      Quote: pvv113
      And then look - they are still flying

      But why did they launch it, the chassis for the installation was cut under the SALT-2 contract. On historical sites, these machines were regretted, because they could not work badly in the national economy. The Motorola fighters had to look for a parachute. No damage is noticeable on the device.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 2 August 2014 01: 10
        +3
        Tu-143 tactical UAV, whether it’s lying under OSV-2
        Serial production of the Tu-143 continued until 1989. A total of 950 aircraft were manufactured. It was exported to Romania, Syria, Czechoslovakia (currently there are both the Czech Republic and Slovakia). In combat conditions it was used in Lebanon in the early 80s. Samples of the Tu-143 are on display at the Central Airfield in Moscow and at the Air Force Museum in Monino.

        At the end of the 70s, the question arose of modernizing the complex in order to increase its effectiveness. Designers of the Design Bureau were given the task of equipping the scout with new types of reconnaissance equipment, which has the best characteristics and is able to work in night conditions; Improvement of flight tactical data; reduce the staff and ground equipment; simplify the operation process. On March 6, 1981, Decree of the USSR Council of Ministers No. 249-76 on the development of the modernized VR-3D complex was issued
  19. Eltempo23rus
    Eltempo23rus 1 August 2014 19: 30
    +3
    u.bat with poplars in Kiev and justify this by the fight against nationalism.
  20. kergudu straight
    kergudu straight 1 August 2014 19: 35
    +3
    For the second day they have been repeating, launching, launching, but they don’t say where they landed, does it really happen?
  21. EsTaF
    EsTaF 1 August 2014 19: 36
    +6
    Gifts from Uncle Sam: Ukrainian combat experience has revealed significant shortcomings of armored Hummers

    The American Hummers fighting in the Zhytomyr 95th Separate Airmobile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine received an ambiguous assessment. "Uncle Sam's" gifts turned out to be poorly protected, they easily turn over and do not like Ukrainian dirt too much.
    http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-9171.htm
    1. EsTaF
      EsTaF 1 August 2014 19: 38
      +3
      Although, in certain hands, you can probably flip anything))
      1. PiP
        PiP 1 August 2014 21: 12
        +2
        Quote: EsTaF
        Although, in certain hands, you can probably flip anything))

        "Give me a glass fool. He will break x and cut his hands." Flip the hummer in my fantasy ...
    2. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 1 August 2014 21: 38
      +2
      America gave Europe a "Hummerob"
      a lot of advertising, but he does not go through the mud.
      It seems that the Amer’s all weapons are purely intellectual, but she does not like to sit in the trenches of the intelligentsia, give her parquet.
  22. Krzysztowski
    Krzysztowski 1 August 2014 19: 37
    +1
    It's like a purulent pimple ... swells for more than six months. If only I had the patience not to squeeze.
  23. Russ69
    Russ69 1 August 2014 19: 39
    +4
    01.08.2014/17/38 XNUMX:XNUMX (Moscow time) Comment by I. I. Strelkov about the situation in Maryinka.
    "There is a battle in Marinka".


    01.08.2014/16/30 XNUMX:XNUMX Moscow time. Summary from the Headquarters of the militia of the Ministry of Defense
    On the night of July 31 to August 01, a unit of the 1st reconnaissance company attacked an enemy checkpoint in the area of ​​the settlement Andreevka, south of the city of Donetsk. The checkpoint is destroyed. 1 tank and 2 infantry fighting vehicles defeated.
    In the area of ​​Shakhtyorsk, Snezhnoye and Torez, battles continue with the semi-surrounded grouping of the armed forces of Ukraine. The units of the 25th airmobile brigade, the Dnepr-1 battalion and support units were surrounded. At present, the encirclement of the enemy grouping from the north is close to completion.
    South of the settlement Snezhnoye our units continued to deliver artillery attacks on enemy positions in the vicinity of the n. Stepanovka, Saurovka, Amvrosievka, Blagodatnoe and at Saur-Grave. The enemy suffered heavy losses in manpower and equipment.
    In the morning, an exchange of bodies of those killed in the battles near Stepanovka and Latyshevo took place. The Ukrainian side handed over to the militia 13 bodies of fallen soldiers. During the inspection, the militia received irrefutable evidence that some of the dead were captured still alive, but then they were barbarously finished off. In particular, some of the corpses were tied with a “butterfly” and had traces of numerous stab wounds. At the same time, three contractors of the 25th airmobile brigade, taken yesterday unscathed, were delivered to Donetsk, where two of them who were injured were provided with qualified medical assistance.
    Today, starting at 13 o’clock, the enemy launched an attack on the southwestern outskirts of Donetsk from the side of N. p. Victory and Karlovka, using about 40 units of armored vehicles. Currently, the enemy managed to take control of the checkpoint southwest of Maryinka. An attack on Krasnogorovka is also underway. Militia units withdrew directly to the indicated settlements. The fight continues.
    At 13-00, an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) was shot down and captured near Shakhtyorsk.
    In the area of ​​Amvrosievka during counter-battery combat, enemy artillery positions were covered. Destroyed up to 5 units of various equipment and 2 stacks of ammunition.
    Saur Grave remains firmly in our hands. This height is held by units of the Vostok battalion.
  24. andrei332809
    andrei332809 1 August 2014 19: 40
    +2
    well confirmed, so what? while the junta behind the bidet, and those "unproven Kremlin fictions" do not believe
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 1 August 2014 19: 43
      +3
      Quote: andrei332809
      well confirmed, so what? while the junta behind the bidet, and those "unproven Kremlin fictions" do not believe

      KIEV, Aug 1 - RIA News. The Ukrainian authorities did not receive NATO materials confirming the use of ballistic missiles by the Ukrainian security forces in the east of the country, said the speaker of the information center of the National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) of Ukraine Andriy Lysenko.

      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140801/1018489419.html#ixzz399hgtIxI
  25. Russ69
    Russ69 1 August 2014 19: 41
    +5
    01.08.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX. Report from the DNR press center

    "Ukrainian artillery continues to destroy civilians in the Donbas.
    Last night on Maryinka from the village. Konstantinovka dropped a phosphorus bomb, then worked out “Grady”, and artillery worked in the city of Krasnogorovka, according to the daily report of the Committee for Social Communications (KSK) of the DPR on August 1.
    According to local residents, 3 “Grads” in Debaltseve are firing on Uglegorsk and the Red Beam.
    In the Maryinsky district in the evenings between Stepnoy and Slavny, Ukrainian troops begin shelling from the Grad MLRS, then from the artillery, and then retreat to Yelenovka 500 meters from their positions.
    In Shakhtersk, 3-4 Ukrainian anti-aircraft installations hit Shakhtersk, 3-4 hit Torez.
    In the evening of July 31, three tanks entered the Yasinovataya railway station, moving at high speed, and fired on the civilian population, there are injured people and many witnesses.
    In addition, in the morning, local residents reported that an air strike had been struck at the Barvinok children's camp on the shore near the village. Lower Krynka ".


    01.08.2014/17/00 XNUMX:XNUMX Summary from the areas of hostilities.

    "Over the past day, the DPR army inflicted a devastating defeat on the Ukrainian troops near Shakhtyorsk, in particular, the 25 airmobile division of the Ukrainian armed forces was almost completely destroyed. 30 armored vehicles were completely destroyed, 2 infantry fighting vehicles were captured, the enemy suffered significant losses in manpower, and prisoners of war were captured. who are now testifying.
    The Ukrainian military notes that in the Ukrainian army, soldiers are tricked and forced into going to war and, in fact, under pain of physical violence, are sent to slaughter. They also note the extremely low level of tactical training of Ukrainian commanders, and in general it seems that someone really needs and benefits that as few Ukrainian youths as possible return from this war. They are not even collected in companies and battalions, but simply in a heap, rammed into armored vehicles and simply driven to slaughter.
    Military militias note that the Ukrainian army is beginning to run out of steam: attacks are becoming weaker and more desperate, it was noted that both the quantity and quality of armored vehicles are getting lower. For example, if in the early days of the war tanks of the modern type entered the battlefield, recently there has been noticed equipment not only taken from long-term storage, but also old equipment of foreign armies, in particular Polish.
    At night, Ukrainian troops in tank units tried to capture Yasinovataya - an attempt to capture was repelled.
    Throughout the day on August 1, the situation at the fronts remains stable, but the advantage remains on the side of the militia. Military operations continue in a southerly direction - the enemy suffers tremendous losses and retreats from Shakhtersk, Torez and Zugres.
    In Donetsk, unidentified people shot the Novorossia propaganda tent along Gornaya Street, not far from the railway station. One volunteer died.
    The battle began at 16.30 in Marinka. "
  26. Ararat
    Ararat 1 August 2014 19: 45
    +4
    Russia needs to be ready, sooner or later, these creatures of Kiev will do everything at the direction of the United States, and of course it is necessary to help New Russia with weapons, more professionals.
  27. sv68
    sv68 1 August 2014 19: 47
    +1
    I am tormented by vague doubts why NATO confirmed the facts of the use of "POINTS" by the fascists? Is this a cover operation to hide something like a chemical weapon or a "dirty" bomb?
    1. rf xnumx
      rf xnumx 1 August 2014 20: 04
      +6
      Quote: sv68
      I am tormented by vague doubts why NATO confirmed the facts of the use of "POINTS" by the fascists? Is this a cover operation to hide something like a chemical weapon or a "dirty" bomb? Not such tupari in NATO to drown Kiev, which means we expect some super-nasty from the Nazis

      You can expect everything from this gang. They lost all the shores at the end.
  28. v245721
    v245721 1 August 2014 19: 50
    +1
    and that great joy.
  29. Dalmatia
    Dalmatia 1 August 2014 19: 53
    +3
    Question to the military, please answer without banter.
    If the Ukrainian army used ballistic missiles, then they should have landed somewhere, right?
    However, such information is not yet available, why?
    The question is what could have happened to the missiles after they were launched and if the militias could have knocked them down, if so, why aren't the militias talking about it. They spread a video of some kind of aircraft, and they are silent about missiles.
    Once again, a big request, answer seriously and without jokes.
    Thank you.
    1. gfs84
      gfs84 1 August 2014 20: 12
      +5
      If the Ukrainian army used ballistic missiles, then they should have landed somewhere, right?

      It is fair that the only thing that does not land is that which gained at least the 2nd space speed and left the side of the earth, for example, "voyagers".

      The question is what could happen to the missiles after they were launched.

      There are many options here, in theory they should have gone to the goal according to the flight mission (also does not forget that those BC that are (are) in service with the APU, and that Point and Point-U can correct the trajectory and the principle and purpose during the flight) .. .
      However, many variables begin to please here, such as:
      - expired storage periods, and therefore increase the likelihood of equipment failure;
      - lack of skills and practical knowledge among the operators of the complex;
      - probability of interception, etc.

      could they be shot down by militia

      No.

      about the rockets are silent.

      There was information in the feeds of news agencies that sort of like dodges were found in the Saur grave ...
      1. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 1 August 2014 20: 18
        +4
        Fine. Thanks for the answer.
        And the last question, if possible, at what altitude do these missiles fly?
        1. gfs84
          gfs84 1 August 2014 20: 31
          +2
          And the last question, if possible, at what altitude do these missiles fly?


          The height of the flight path of the rocket is from 6 to 26 km.
      2. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 1 August 2014 20: 22
        +3
        Below on the branch they write that our missile defense system could have shot down missiles.
        1. gfs84
          gfs84 1 August 2014 20: 32
          +4
          Down on the branch they write that rockets could bring down our air defense system.


          The keyword could)))

          I don’t deal with consperalogy and conspiracy theories)
          1. Dalmatia
            Dalmatia 1 August 2014 20: 38
            +2
            Well ... And I really wanted to be happy for our military ....)))
            1. gfs84
              gfs84 1 August 2014 20: 45
              +3
              Well ... And I really wanted to be happy for our military ....)))


              Well, why do you need some reason, just rejoice - the military is beautiful, hefty, morally stable, smart and modest (they don’t go the easy way for compliments)))
    2. dauria
      dauria 1 August 2014 21: 00
      +3
      look here, although authenticity is like that of an Internet ...

      “Today I was where this head lies. It did not completely explode, only the cassettes from it worked, and the head itself remained intact,” Grachev said, answering the question whether the Ukrainian army had used ballistic missiles against the militia.
      According to him, a fragment of the shell was found near the Vergunka station in the Luhansk region. "She (the warhead - ed.) Is big, a little smaller than me, although I am eighty eight meters," - added the interlocutor of RIA Novosti.


      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140730/1018129183.html#ixzz39A1CXsFU
  30. siberalt
    siberalt 1 August 2014 19: 56
    +6
    Donbass cannot be brought to its knees! It is impossible to defeat the people, especially the Russian! Only he will finally put "Dots" from "A" to "Z".
    The issue with the "Izvarinsky boiler" will be finally resolved and the rear will be provided. New Russia to be. All the best!
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  32. Signaller
    Signaller 1 August 2014 19: 59
    +1
    So, if they ate their ear, they just need to intercept the missile control with the help of electronic warfare after subsequent launches and send it to Khreshchatyk .. Then there will be noise, but "the satellite hangs at the right point and fixes everything" Under the protocol .. Good luck in your endeavors
  33. Password
    Password 1 August 2014 20: 02
    +1
    The mission of the army is to protect against an external enemy. Its use in a civilian internal conflict is a crime! I hope that Poroshenko and his bloody gang, who staged genocide in the southeast, will ultimately face an international tribunal. The use of missiles is another significant piece of evidence for justice.
  34. saag
    saag 1 August 2014 20: 07
    +1
    Quote: Duke
    about three global industrializations during the reign of Peter the Great, World War II and the period when Vladimir Putin took the helm of the country.

    The third global industrialization, who would have thought, no less, is from the series "should we not aim at our William, at Shakespeare"
  35. DV69
    DV69 1 August 2014 20: 07
    +2
    Quote: Russ69
    Quote: andrei332809
    well confirmed, so what? while the junta behind the bidet, and those "unproven Kremlin fictions" do not believe

    KIEV, Aug 1 - RIA News. The Ukrainian authorities did not receive NATO materials confirming the use of ballistic missiles by the Ukrainian security forces in the east of the country, said the speaker of the information center of the National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) of Ukraine Andriy Lysenko.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140801/1018489419.html#ixzz399hgtIxI


    Cool. The "Ukrainian authorities" have not received confirmation of their use of weapons. What does it mean?
  36. raketnik
    raketnik 1 August 2014 20: 16
    +2
    God bless me, these non-traditional male people with NATO are doing, because our PSAKE IS STILL COMMENT
  37. Monk
    Monk 1 August 2014 20: 18
    +2
    According to CNN, three missiles were fired, but there were no reports of a hit. Probably, these missiles were shot down by the Russian air defense system over the territory of Ukraine. It became clear to the parties that a military conflict with the Russian Federation would logically follow.


    a Ukrainian monkey who does not know what she is doing, must be put to sleep
  38. Bugor
    Bugor 1 August 2014 20: 23
    +3
    So where are the pictures of the rocket, or at least the confirmation of our MO? Was there a boy?
    1. Monk
      Monk 1 August 2014 20: 28
      +1
      And why should our MO talk about this, and where to look for the wreckage, and why?
      1. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 1 August 2014 20: 35
        +4
        Our MO should say this at least so that ordinary people like me are even more proud of their army and feel protected as in the good old days.
        1. Monk
          Monk 1 August 2014 21: 07
          +1
          they will say, when the time comes, about the Caribbean crisis we also didn’t know everything right away and even now we don’t know everything
      2. Bugor
        Bugor 1 August 2014 20: 36
        +3
        Well, in the case of Boeing, everything was shown. And to whom - the UN Security Council. As CNN reported, so why not once again poke ukrov in the Security Council face in guano.
  39. GHOST29RUS
    GHOST29RUS 1 August 2014 20: 25
    +4
    I heard on the news that the militia actually found ballistic missile debris
  40. Dalmatia
    Dalmatia 1 August 2014 20: 49
    +3
    I think Putin in this situation with missiles should appeal to the Federation Council and again ask for permission to use the army to repel the aggression of Ukraine.
    Let them think in Kiev.
    I’m wondering, we know exactly where (in what place) these missiles are stored. And to warn Kiev that in the case of a hint of the use of ballistic missiles, we will deal a targeted blow to their warehouse)))
  41. Niva
    Niva 1 August 2014 20: 56
    +3
    A meeting of the tripartite contact group on Ukraine is expected to take place in Minsk today. The meeting will be attended by Russian Ambassador in Kiev Mikhail Zurabov, former President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma, as well as OSCE representatives. The parties agreed to hold such a meeting after statements by US Secretary of State John Kerry, judging by which the States have radically changed their position regarding the conflict in Ukraine. The question arises: what is the reason for the 180-degree turn in the attitude of the United States to events in Ukraine?

    Kerry's speech is in stark contrast to previous statements from Washington, which contained mainly unproven accusations and threats against Russia. Now, the US Secretary of State says that the conflict in Ukraine has gone too far, and representatives of Kiev and militias should sit at the negotiating table. According to him, the United States does not pose Ukraine with a choice: either the EU or Russia.

    “Ukrainians understand that the future of their country depends on strong relations with Russia,” Kerry emphasized. At the same time, the United States hopes that there will be no need for new sanctions against Russia, he added.

    Is it possible to say that, together with the rhetoric of the United States, their attitude towards the conflict in Ukraine has also changed? The director general of the National Energy Security Fund Konstantin Simonov shared this opinion on the air of Business FM.
    Konstantin Simonov

    Director General of the National Energy Security Fund

    “Kerry’s words didn’t really surprise me: on Monday he says one thing, on Tuesday he says another, on Wednesday the third. It seems to me personally that the United States has already decided on the issue of pressure on Russia to go all the way. It is possible that the United States will say that they are calling for a truce, and Mr. Poroshenko will again change into military uniform and say: nothing like this, we will destroy the rebels. The States always have room for maneuver - they can pretend that Ukraine, for example, is not controlled by them. ”

    If the United States really decided to abandon increased pressure on Russia, what could be the reason for this reversal?
    Mateusz Piskorski

    Director of the European Center for Geopolitical Analysis, Polish political scientist

    “It can be assumed that the Russian side has certain data in connection with the crash of the Malaysian airliner, data whose disclosure would not be very beneficial to the US authorities. This may explain some of the steps taken by the American leadership. Most likely, the United States knows that at some point Russia can discover certain data, documents related to this tragedy. This diplomatic game is related to preventing this moment. ”

    By the way, German media cite experts who came to the conclusion that the Malaysian plane was shot down not by an anti-aircraft missile, but by a combat aircraft. In their opinion, inlet and outlet bullet holes in the cockpit speak in favor of this version.
  42. Second
    Second 1 August 2014 21: 28
    +2
    Tomorrow - a rally in support of the Donbass.
  43. Krsk
    Krsk 1 August 2014 21: 33
    +1
    And can arrange an indicative flogging banderlog? sanctions will be in any case, and there seems to be a reason ... how do we know where the rockets fly? crack Iskander in response, at the same time and their owners will see what is bad ...
  44. 3vs
    3vs 1 August 2014 21: 51
    0
    Yes, all lies, our military does not say anything about this, another provocation.
    Something is stirring up the arrogant Saxons.
  45. stix99
    stix99 1 August 2014 22: 08
    +2
    On the Internet, a quote from an American Marine is very popular: "I never would have wanted the Russians to seriously fight with us. Let it be unpatriotic, but I feel that they will kick our ass". soldier hi
  46. Dmitry Toderes
    Dmitry Toderes 1 August 2014 22: 22
    +1
    Well, here's another page in the history of the Tochka missile system. First, the Russian army in the Caucasus used this complex to destroy groups of militants, then the Russian army used it against Georgian troops in August 2008, then the Syrian army, now in Ukraine. Warhead weighing 482 kg. The rocket speed is 1000 m / s, the mass of the entire rocket is 2 tons.
  47. smershxnumx
    smershxnumx 1 August 2014 22: 28
    +1
    Quote: Second
    If there is no "compulsion to peace", then bacterological, chemical weapons in mass use are ahead. Continuation of the genocide of civilians. DOCOLE ?!

    It is very reminiscent of the situation with Yanukovych, THAT also DID NOT DO ANYTHING to correct the situation. Many squealed here with their notorious "Putin's plan", splashing saliva, about 2 months ago, NOW, HAVE SUPPORTED THIS PLAN and keep quiet, but would have recognized then New Russia and would have cost little blood, And SCHAS already smells like 3 world. I am glad that the "minusists-Enerrals" and Co. will soon be pressing the trigger, not on the minuses, but on the trigger. HEY, GOD WILL PLEASE MORE! such), you would not have reached the sergeants, you would not have reached the sergeants. But think again the 5th column !! AN NO, THIS IS BULK AND CO FOR BABLO 5th column, but I don't have to pay, I'm offended for the state and IT'S SCARY FOR YOU !!! ?! Strange logic, not "see and hear" the opinion of millions, the now popular word DOUBLE STANDARDS !!! Waiting for your virtual cons to me VASHE violet. not yet an earthly judgment.
  48. KBR109
    KBR109 1 August 2014 22: 32
    +3
    Quote: ararat
    They are soon in Russia, it is necessary to use the shell of air defense and shoot down on their territory.

    Most likely they were shot down yesterday by our air defense. Like min. one warhead was found unexploded and undestructed. There were no reports of blows at all.
    1. Mig 31
      Mig 31 2 August 2014 00: 28
      +4
      Probably I would like to remind you about the topic, but maybe someone does not know that after the collapse in the 90s, a regiment of TU-160 strategists rose from "Ukraine" to "quiet" and landed in Russia with the banner of the regiment in Ukraine, they were considered traitors! But guys are great, this is history. And now you might think what would happen now if they left! Even with the devastation of the country, there were people in the Kremlin who still thought with their heads and thank God that the "monkey" did not get the grenade !!
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 2 August 2014 00: 33
        +3
        Quote: Mig 31
        in the 90s a regiment of TU-160 strategists rose from the "Ukraine" to the "quiet" and landed in Russia

        Maybe not a regiment? and not TU-160 but TU-95M2? 160x 34 were built in total and there were only 8-10 of them on the ruin
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 2 August 2014 00: 45
          +2
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Maybe not a regiment? and not TU-160 but TU-95M2? 160x 34 were built in total and there were only 8-10 of them on the ruin


          It was like that. Apakidze with the banner of the regiment and a number of comrades on the ship Su-27s landed in Smolensk, refusing to swear allegiance to Ukraine twice already.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 2 August 2014 00: 48
            +3
            Quote: studentmati
            It was like that.

            It was but not 160x Their dogs of the Ukrainian sex even managed to partially drink
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 2 August 2014 00: 54
              +2
              Quote: Ruslan67
              It was but not 160x Their dogs of the Ukrainian sex even managed to partially drink


              I’m only talking about the 27th.
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 2 August 2014 00: 58
                +3
                Quote: studentmati
                only about the 27th.

                not only Tu-95MS
                1. studentmati
                  studentmati 2 August 2014 01: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  not only Tu-95MS


                  Something I’m not catching up with Ruslan?
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 2 August 2014 01: 26
                    +3
                    I did not put a comma request There was a flight 95x after the arrival of Shaposhnikov’s strategists in the division and the commander’s refusal to submit a resignation report. But about 160, I just don’t remember how many there were and how many Alex were cut short, there’s not enough for our big heads
                    1. studentmati
                      studentmati 2 August 2014 01: 36
                      +3
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      I didn’t give a request


                      There was no talk about the strategists, that they stole, then they stole. But after the hijacking of the aircraft carrier "Kuznetsov" in the 91st there was also the "flight" of Apakidze with the regiment's banner. If I'm lying, fix it.
                      1. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 2 August 2014 01: 41
                        +4
                        It was both. Just a few years ago, I remember badly
                      2. studentmati
                        studentmati 2 August 2014 01: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        I just don’t remember very much ago


                        Take Ruslan "memory freshener". And everything will spin over again!
                      3. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 2 August 2014 01: 57
                        +2
                        What is busy with medium intensity drinks
                      4. studentmati
                        studentmati 2 August 2014 01: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        What is busy with medium intensity drinks


                        That is life! We are not like that! drinks
          2. Mig 31
            Mig 31 2 August 2014 02: 12
            +1
            These are the guys from the Crimea SAKI there was a springboard on Kuznetsov prepared !! The point is not in this, but in the fact that then they knew that "dill" and then could not be trusted
        2. Mig 31
          Mig 31 2 August 2014 02: 09
          +1
          I don’t know by quantity, but the 160-E was definitely an imfa even on the air!
          1. AVIATOR36662
            AVIATOR36662 2 August 2014 18: 16
            +2
            Don't break your head in vain. Six TU-22M3 units (one with the crew of the regiment commander) did not return after the usual then exercises (260 TBAP, military unit 36662) to their airfield in Stryi, Lviv region. The Russian leadership ignored the protest of Ukraine After this incident, most of the flight and technical personnel found themselves duty stations in air units (including units of the DA) on the territory of Russia. The remnants of the regiment were appointed to command the former political officer of the regiment. The once excellent leader regiment of the DA turned into an aviation storage base , which also eventually ceased to exist. But many former colleagues came to Stryi for the anniversary of the regiment, including the former commander of the regiment, who "hijacked" six TU-22M3s for Russia.
  49. Thompson
    Thompson 1 August 2014 22: 34
    +1
    Quote: Sid.74
    Oh, by the way, about tanks! Today I saw a video from the popular mechanics! American TOW rocket against the Russian T-72 tank!
    Serious weapon!

    In the online community of American veterans FUNKER530 posted a video demonstrating the destruction of the T-72 tank missile of the American anti-tank complex TOW in slow motion.

    The video was shot during the exercises using high-speed cameras and then mounted so that you could see the moment when the blast wave reaches the fuel and ammunition on board the T-72. Here, the TOW 2B Aero rocket was used, which detonates exactly above the target, releasing a shock nucleus of a cumulative charge into it.


    http://www.popmech.ru/weapon/45228-amerikanskaya-raketa-tow-protiv-rossiyskogo-t


    anka-t-72-video /

    And why is there no video of shooting this munition at M1 Abrams, according to Merkava, Leclerc, Leopard ???
    I doubt that they will burn less. So, we are waiting for filming
  50. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 1 August 2014 23: 15
    -1
    Point - short-range obfknovnoy rocket. You can say the grandfather of Iskander. Ballistic, in connection with the ability to control the entire flight path, it can be attributed with a big stretch. Generally, forget the word ballistic missile. There is only a ballistic trajectory. Polar mechanics dusted everyone’s brains (((
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 1 August 2014 23: 21
      +6
      Quote: Ecilop
      There is only a ballistic trajectory. Polar mechanics dusted everyone’s brains (((

      Either drink less Eat better fool
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 1 August 2014 23: 24
        +2
        Quote: Ruslan67
        Either drink less Eat better fool


        Ideally, both of them, but THIS is impossible by definition, otherwise there will be no effect. Good night, Ruslan.
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 1 August 2014 23: 59
          +3
          Quote: studentmati
          but THIS is impossible by definition, otherwise there will be no effect.

          Hi drinks There seems to be an effect already achieved wassat
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 2 August 2014 00: 03
            +2
            Quote: Ruslan67
            There it seems the effect was already achieved by wassat


            That's for sure, for them the main thing is not the essence but "the process itself". drinks
      2. Grim Reaper
        Grim Reaper 1 August 2014 23: 41
        +1
        I do not drink. A ballistic weapon is simply the flight of anything along an uncontrolled trajectory, in full or in large part. The ideal is a slingshot. Yes, yes, this is the same ballistic weapon. It's just that since the time of the media, they have put an equal sign between weapons of mass destruction and ballistic. Which is not entirely correct