Trident - Ukrainian fork

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When I first saw the small emblem of Ukraine (by the way, the Ukrainians did not approve the full-fledged emblem of the year for 23), I did not understand what was depicted on it.

At first, the small coat of arms seemed to me similar to an open book, only very strangely stylized, in front of which for some reason a bowling pin was depicted. But when I looked at Wikipedia and read what actually symbolizes the small coat of arms, everything turned out to be even worse.

As the small coat of arms of Ukraine, a tribal sign of the Russian princes of Rurik is used. This symbol is known for the ancient coins of the times of Kievan Rus, in particular, for Prince Vladimir srebrenik.

Trident - Ukrainian fork


In principle, this in itself is interesting. To use the symbol of the Russian prince as a coat of arms (even a small one) and call for "moskalyaku to be a gilyak", call Russian invaders and so on - these are not even bees against honey, they are bees against themselves, and at the same time against the hive, nectar and beekeeper. What we are seeing.

It is noteworthy that there is no consensus even on what symbolized the tribal mark of Rurikovich, which became the small emblem of Ukraine. Some believe that this is a stylized image of a falcon-Rarog falling on prey. Others see in this sign an image of a scepter, anchor, trident or pitchfork.

In my opinion, the falcon is not very similar. But even if this is the case, I cannot find anything good in this sign. The question immediately arises: what prey the falcon falls on and what will happen when it falls?

If you look at what is happening, the version of a falcon falling on prey becomes very understandable. The last 23 of the year, Ukraine is doing nothing but falling for this or that prey. Then on Russian gas, then on a European loan. And every time falls.

In domestic policy, too, solid drops, and also for prey. Each Maidan-is essentially a raider seizure of power. Falconry with all the characteristic features.

And across the country it’s the same: the oligarchs take plants, newspapers, steamboats from each other, prey on resources, fight for power, and the country falls, falls, falls.

When, as a result of the last Maidan, power was obtained entirely, they still could not calm down. Instead of rejoicing at the booty, the boys continued their hunt - they began to attack activists of Russian organizations, regionalists, communists, supporters of federalization, and then in general everyone who wears the St. George ribbon or openly criticizes the authorities.

Well, what else can a country do, the symbol of which is a falling falcon? Apparently, nothing.

The version about the trident is not much better. What makes a trident on the coat of arms of the state? What does he symbolize? The power of Neptune? So it seems to be not a sea empire. Or that weaponwhich gladiators used in ancient Rome? Or is it a fork that symbolizes the principle of "usu zim"?

If we consider a trident as a pitchfork (Lyashko, by the way, stylized his letter C in his pitchfork) - this is generally a symbol of popular revolt, elemental, senseless and merciless. What we are seeing.

And do not say that the pitchfork is a symbol of peasant labor. The sickle and ears of corn have always been the symbol of peasant labor. A pitchfork, especially raised up - this is the symbol of popular revolt. Because the peasants lift the forks up with teeth up only in two cases: when hay is thrown on the stack (but there must be hay on the forks) and when they go to rebel and burn the estate of their pan.

And the most regrettable is that there is no official interpretation of the coat of arms, not a single opinion among the people as to what it means. And when there is no consensus, everyone sees his own coat of arms and acts on his own. What we are seeing. Someone rushes to the prey like a falcon, someone goes to rebel, someone vigorously wields a fork in all the plates, to which they can reach. And someone is waiting for the weather by the sea, suggesting the arrival of Neptune and the solution of all problems in a miraculous way. Well, the bowling alley too can not be excluded from the list.

Someone will say that it is not necessary to search for any meaning in the emblem, that it is just an icon, who knows what picture is drawn? Vaughn, on the coat of arms of Russia in general, "mutant eagle".

And no. Coat of arms is not just like that. And the eagle from Russia is not anyhow.

The double-headed eagle, which is the main element of the Russian coat of arms, is an ancient heraldic symbol that was used in Byzantium, and there is earlier evidence of the use of the double-headed bird in heraldry. The Russian eagle has such an interpretation that one head looks west and the other east, which symbolizes two main areas of Russian politics - European and Asian. At the same time, the double-headed eagle symbolizes the continuity of traditions, since it is an old historical a symbol that has survived the change of many eras. Ask any Russian - he will say that the double-headed eagle is a symbol of the Russian Empire. And this is already enough, because the Russian Empire was not the last state in the world and in its history there have been enough victories and achievements, which can and should be proud of. Therefore, the Russian coat of arms is filled with more than meaning. And this meaning is not contradictory, and it does not carry aggression, ideas of robbery or life at the expense of others. And the Russians do not deny their historical and cultural roots, but rather are proud of them. Note that no one in Russia accuses Byzantium of occupation and does not call for the hanging of the Greeks.

Of course, no one in everyday life makes decisions based on the images on the coat of arms. When we choose a beer, car, or looking for a job, we don’t ask ourselves whether the Guinness or Heineken is more appropriate for a coat of arms, dark or light, Nissan or Ford, Eniki-Beniki or Siemens representative office.

But when we see the image of the coat of arms day after day, when our officials and politicians sign documents every day that show the coat of arms, its symbolism and meaning are fixed in the mind, and then in the subconscious. And if the emblem bears the symbolism of a state with a thousand-year history, in which Mendeleev and Lomonosov were born, Pushkin and Tolstoy, who had great emperors and commanders who went through wars many times and knows what it is, all of this insures against rash decisions. Politically and officials, willy-nilly, compare their actions with those of their predecessors, take into account both the mistakes and the successes of the past. Not always, of course, but a bit more often than if there were documents with incomprehensible geometric figures in front of them.

And when the coat of arms is printed on the documents, depicting something unknown whether it is a falling falcon, or a fork, or a pin, will this policy help you make the right decision? Will there be anything worthwhile at the crucial moment of the story?

The fact that the sign of Rurikovich is used on the small coat of arms of Ukraine, which Ukrainian nationalists consider to be occupiers, is simply not thought of by the majority, otherwise they would have changed their coat of arms long ago, or they would have stopped appealing to hang Muscovites and think about whether Russians or Europeans are closer to them.

But Rurikovich were very long. Ukrainians do not remember about them. They also don’t remember about where Sevastopol, Odessa and Nikolaev came from, although less than three centuries have passed since their foundation, they don’t even remember about Rurik, who ruled a thousand years ago. Therefore, the semantic connection of the small coat of arms of Ukraine with the history of the Russian princes was lost. Associations with the falling falcon, trident and pitchfork remained.

And also ... with something this sign reminds me of Sauron's mask. Or is it just me having such associations?

Judging by what is happening in Ukraine, not only me. When a crowd of orcs arranged pogroms on Independence, burned their own police, and later their own countrymen in Odessa, some of this association, apparently, just emerged from the subconscious. It is difficult to explain otherwise.

And the image of a falcon falling on prey has also become a guide to action for many. And forks - for people like Lyashko.

Pitchfork is an interesting symbol. In addition to popular rebellion, it means a choice, a dilemma in which all decisions are bad.

Go to the right, Ilya, you will lose the country. If you go to the left, you will lose your head. And you will go straight - you will become like Lyashko.

So it turns out. If you believe coming from Kiev news.
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  1. +22
    4 August 2014 07: 58
    Just "snatch" pulls from all ukrosymboliki! negative
    1. +12
      4 August 2014 08: 02
      Basically, this is interesting in itself. Using the symbol of a Russian prince as a coat of arms (even a small one) and calling "yak to gilyak", calling Russians invaders, and so on - these are not even bees against honey, these are bees against themselves, but at the same time against a hive, nectar and a beekeeper. What we are seeing.


      They behave like Ivanes who don’t remember kinship. History should be taught to these maidanut bars. From the primary sources. The process of sobering up will last a very long time, I hope a harsh winter will help.
      1. +13
        4 August 2014 08: 14
        The symbolism is very simple: the Cossack and the Galicia-Volyn lion are holding the symbol of the Rurikids in their hands, that is, they recognize their power, and the macaques on the Maidan are shouting "mockalyaka for gilyaka."
        1. +3
          4 August 2014 09: 42
          Quote: Canep
          The symbolism is very simple: the Cossack and the Galicia-Volyn lion are holding the symbol of the Rurikids in their hands, that is, they recognize their power, and the macaques on the Maidan are shouting "mockalyaka for gilyaka."

          Well, they wanted a pitchfork in the coat of arms and okay. He’s suitable. And how to throw manure with hay ?!
          1. +7
            4 August 2014 12: 36
            Quote: Predator
            Well, they wanted the pitchfork in the coat of arms and okay.

            Speaking of pitchforks, in 88-89 for the first time I encountered these pitchforks while working at the factory, then a colleague proudly showed us all this coat of arms, writing WILL. Already then anti-Russian agitation began. Here it is. Well, now about something worse than these pitchforks, this is the anthem of Ukraine, this is not a hymn and not a song, this is a funeral service for the state. It is enough to read the first verse and everything will become clear.
            Not yet died in Ukraine, and glory, and freedom,
            Still, brothers, Ukrainians, fate smiles.
            Our enemies will perish like dew in the sun.
            We, too, will rule the country in our land.
            1. +1
              4 August 2014 17: 02
              and continued:
              in the meantime, we have a mess, and no clearance in the brain ....
              1. 0
                5 August 2014 02: 20
                And at one time I ended up in a Ukrainian school (about 1992-1993 year), in short they explained something like this: a trident is made from the initial letters of the great founders of Ukraine or something like that. On the right is the letter I (from Yaroslav), in the center (pin) the letter O is Princess Olga) and I don’t remember on the left, either someone on the letter P (though there is an extra leg), or again Yaroslav but is mirrored.
            2. +3
              4 August 2014 19: 35
              Ha, we shall prevail ...... And now feces and pigs dominate - liquid. And they jump and yell at Heil Kaly, Heil Moyshi, Heil Porsyonki-underachievers. And everyone is waiting - well, when will they, the galloping ones, become the LORD too.
          2. +6
            4 August 2014 20: 43
            The Ukrainian trident symbolizes three Ukrainian troubles: cold, hunger and poverty.
            1. 0
              5 August 2014 19: 57
              Quote: sly fox
              The Ukrainian trident symbolizes three Ukrainian troubles: cold, hunger and poverty.

              They themselves don’t think so. Dumpling with caviar-ukrorolll.
      2. +5
        4 August 2014 09: 45
        Jews rule Ukrainians parodox.
        1. Cadet787
          +5
          4 August 2014 13: 33
          They deserve it.
        2. SEK
          SEK
          +4
          4 August 2014 17: 18
          The emblem of Ukraine is the Khazar tamga. Ukrainians are the heirs of the Jewish Khaganate.
          1. +2
            4 August 2014 19: 39
            Yes, there is something from the menorah of Judah. It was they, the Jews, they slipped a stylized seven-candlestick to them and they laugh quietly, looking at the morons.
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        3. +3
          4 August 2014 19: 51
          In Odessa, there was a popular proverb: "where the crest passed, there is nothing for a Jew to do." Everything in this world is not what it seems to us. bully
      3. +4
        4 August 2014 10: 40
        Quote: subbtin.725
        They behave as Ivan’s relatives who do not remember

        Yes, they all remember, they are just used to sucking up wherever possible, first from Russia, now it seems to them that the West has a thicker member, they can pump more.
    2. +5
      4 August 2014 08: 18
      Hmm ... Soon this trident will visit the Nazis from the militias !!!
    3. +6
      4 August 2014 08: 19
      How I see entu Anfisk (see Ukraine, coat of arms, etc.) - so puke and kidd !!!
    4. +5
      4 August 2014 08: 22
      The whole Ukrainian essence in this emblem: they didn’t invent anything of their own, but gradually grabbed from others, and not freebies.
      1. +3
        4 August 2014 08: 27
        Quote: Thought Giant
        from others gradually grabbed, and not a freebie.

        According to modern laws, they can be sued for theft of intellectual property. What kind of independence can be discussed, in short - svidomye.
        1. +4
          4 August 2014 13: 22
          Quote: subbtin.725
          Quote: Thought Giant
          from others gradually grabbed, and not a freebie.

          According to modern laws, they can be sued for theft of intellectual property. What kind of independence can be discussed, in short - svidomye.

          We turned out. We turned out with an airplane, "it doesn't happen to anyone," Kuchma said. Natura is a redneck. fool
    5. +4
      4 August 2014 08: 26
      If the trident is the generic sign of the Rurikovich, then Ukraine tried on the symbolism of the Lords of Slavensk-Novgorod, North-Western Russia, the very ones against whom all this dill is directed. I think the brothers Rug (Rurik), Vybor (Bureva) and Vadim would turn upside down that the schismatics and separatists of those times use their generic sign for such ignoble purposes. They were just the sovereigns and collectors of ancient Russia, and the Prophetic Oleg punished with the sword of the Kiev separatists Askold and Dir.
      1. +1
        4 August 2014 10: 19
        This is not a trident. This falcon is the seal of Rurik. The same one who came to reign with Truvor and Sineus in Russia by the invitation of his grandfather Gostomysl. Moreover, this is the seal of Rurik, and not his descendants. And regarding that. that Ruin lacks Oleg the Prophet, I support you.
    6. +5
      4 August 2014 08: 50
      In my opinion, the falcon is not very similar ....
      More like a falling Boeing.
    7. +3
      4 August 2014 09: 17
      Trident - Ukrainian fork

      What do you call a yacht, so it will sail! lol (and even the corresponding anthem, "Ukraine has not died yet!" lol )
      Now it seems that it has already "died".
      1. +7
        4 August 2014 13: 37
        Quote: GSH-18
        Trident - Ukrainian fork

        What do you call a yacht, so it will sail! lol (and even the corresponding anthem, "Ukraine has not died yet!" lol )
        Now it seems that it has already "died".

        Poland will never perish forever
        If we are alive.
        All that is taken away by enemy power
        We’ll return the saber. The words of the Polish anthem. Therefore, they do not give rest to anyone. They have not yet died in Ukraine, both glory and freedom,
        Still, brothers, Ukrainians, fate smiles.
        Our enemies will perish like dew in the sun.
        We, the brothers, will also dominate in our region. And this is the Ukropov anthem. In both hymns of these non-states there is military power. Compare these hymns with the anthems of the USSR and Russia. Our anthem is constructive, not a word about weapons, only about the country, about the friendship of peoples. Dill with their anthem they showed themselves the way to nowhere.
    8. +3
      4 August 2014 09: 24
      This is not a trident! This crap from a hangover was invented by wide ukropolitikans. This is a bird flying down! The slamsen symbol of the Rurikovich. EVERYONE knows this, except for the "advanced" Ukrainian national patriots.
      1. +6
        4 August 2014 10: 01
        Quote: GSH-18
        This crap from a hangover was invented by broad Ukrainian politicians.
        Dill was not invented this crap, in Ukronazi propaganda it is argued that the two-headed eagle came to Russia not as a legacy from Byzantium, but from the coat of arms of the Golden Horde, like the Russian flag from the Khan's standard (!), As well as Russian folk ornaments from the ornaments of the Golden Horde. As for the coat of arms of Rurik, this is a falcon in a hunting peak. The coat of arms of Dill was interpreted at first as a stylization of a bandura against the background of a boat, now as a "true Slavic" symbolism. For the sake of fairness, it should be noted that in Russia "The first coins of Vladimir were imitations of coins that were circulating on the merchant market at that time. These were the first Russian coins - silversmiths and goldsmiths, which were minted, respectively, from silver and gold. Our greatest attention is drawn to them by the image of a trident The very image of the trident was in use by the Rus even earlier and meant three gods descended from the main progenitor. But the image of the trident was simplified and widely in everyday life and was not used on objects. " As well as the fact that "Under Vladimir, the trident on the coins was made in the tradition of the image of the Khazar tamga, in honor of the victory over the kaganate. In addition, since the Russian rulers were called" kagans "until the end of the XNUMXth century, the placement of the two-prong and trident, which form the basis tamga-like signs (signs of ownership) of Khazaria, as a sign of power (and property), primarily on princely coins - the attributes of power seem quite natural.But most likely the image of tamga on the coin symbolized Vladimir's victory over the Jewish Khazar Khaganate. historical events. " In the photo there is a Khazar tamga.
        1. +3
          4 August 2014 10: 24
          This is who called the Khazars prince Kogan? Or Vladimir was called a cogan. Well, he can. He is still the son of a housekeeper named Malka (daughter of a Khazar rabbi, i.e., a rabbi). These always have a maternal affinity.
          1. +1
            4 August 2014 13: 34
            Please enlighten, for which I do not know the cons? Or a tale of what's wrong?
        2. 11111mail.ru
          +2
          4 August 2014 20: 01
          Quote: Per se.
          symbolized the victory of Vladimir over the Jewish Khazar Khaganate.

          What then did Svyatoslav Igorevich do before going to Bulgaria, specifically in 964–965? Who then took the cities of Itil, Semender and the White Vezha?
          1. 0
            4 August 2014 22: 09
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            What then did Svyatoslav Igorevich do before going to Bulgaria, specifically in 964-965?
            You are right, sorry I didn’t notice this typo myself, it was about coins under Vladimir, it was supposed to “symbolize the victory over the Jewish Khazar Khaganate”.
            1. Cpa
              +1
              4 August 2014 22: 25
              Quote: Per se.
              You are right, sorry I didn’t notice this typo myself, it was about coins under Vladimir, it was supposed to “symbolize the victory over the Jewish Khazar Khaganate”.

              No, everything was written correctly about Vladimir, it’s his sign. Svyatoslav’s print is:
              1. +1
                5 August 2014 06: 23
                Quote: KPA
                No, about Vladimir everything was written correctly
                Unfortunately, in the context of the proposal, because of an extra word, it turned out that it was Vladimir who won the Khazars, and I was rightly reminded of Svyatoslav.
    9. +3
      4 August 2014 10: 07
      Quote: Rigla
      Just "snatch" pulls from all ukrosymboliki! negative

      Yes .... Bad times have come. Every robber, who stole more than others, any official stupefied by his own "significance", or - a "ascended" pop star ... strive for a title of nobility and coat of arms to fasten their insides to their homespun. From that and the absurdity - like kaklov. The coat of arms and the title by one's self-improvement from generation to generation, by centuries of exploits and service to the state should deserve! And not to sculpt what is more colorful and tidier, without understanding what it means?
    10. Cadet787
      +1
      4 August 2014 13: 36
      Ukraine rise!
      In Kharkiv oblast military enlistment office blew up
      Unknown partisans expressed their attitude towards the civil war and the mobilization announced by the oligarch Poroshenko. August 4, at half past three in Kharkov, an explosion occurred, accompanied by several automatic bursts. The explosive device worked in the regional military commissariat on Kotsarskaya Street between the Central Market and the South Station. It is not known whether there are any victims and what damage is caused to the building. The street where the explosion thundered is inaccessible to traffic. On-site emergency work groups.

      Earlier in social networks, residents of Kharkov were outraged by the third mobilization announced by Poroshenko. Residents said they did not want the citizens of one country to kill each other, protecting the interests of a handful of oligarchs.

      After the automatic bursts subsided, the inhabitants of Kharkov heard the howl of ambulance sirens and firefighters. According to local residents, the firing was heard even in the Bavarian and Alekseyevka regions.

      “At 2.37 I was on the roof of a 9-story building, I saw a flash, and after about 7 seconds - a powerful explosion! Alekseyevka, ”Igor from Kharkov wrote.
    11. fedorovith
      +2
      4 August 2014 15: 46
      Yes, they taught us to hate this flag, these "pitchforks", their coat of arms and language that my elders were fluent in ...
    12. +1
      4 August 2014 19: 43
      By the way, point 2 in the coat of arms is "saryn for kichka" - the robber "zig" of Stenka Razin and his lads. Yes
  2. +6
    4 August 2014 07: 59
    If the emblem consists of sheer lies (the connection of the unconnected), then the state itself is only waiting for death am
    1. +1
      4 August 2014 08: 56
      Quote: Rigla
      If the emblem consists of sheer lies (the connection of the unconnected), then the state itself is only waiting for death

      Death is not from the coat of arms, but from the control of the proteges of our ancient enemies. They then sentenced Ukraine. The World Billionaires Club decided at all costs to prevent Ukraine from reuniting with the metropolis, Russia, and make it hostile to us. As an option, a new war, like a gold mine.
      1. 0
        4 August 2014 13: 21
        For me, this is the Khazar tamga
    2. +2
      4 August 2014 14: 11
      Quote: Rigla
      If the emblem consists of sheer lies (the connection of the unconnected), then the state itself is only waiting for death am

      In 1991, the trident was again made the state emblem of Ukraine, returning us to a brief episode of the proclamation of the UNR by the Central Rada, which was forced to create history for its new "state" by Ukrainizing ancient Russia in this way, and to prove the antiquity of the "Ukrainian" state. After the Civil War, Ukrainian nationalists of almost all currents made the trident their symbol. This is where the ears of the "ancient" so-called Ukrainian state grow.
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  4. +5
    4 August 2014 08: 01
    And therefore, the trident crowning the coat of arms of Ukraine did not become the trident of the god of the seas of Neptune, and, apparently, it never will.
  5. +4
    4 August 2014 08: 04
    What is the country ... such are its symbols ...
    Well, it was necessary to somehow identify their connection with history ... only those who understand the real and not far-fetched history of peoples ... alas, no more ...
  6. +3
    4 August 2014 08: 04
    What do you call a yacht, so it will sail! America has a dollar-eye and a financial pyramid (their main religion and symbol), a vulture on the coat of arms! (Not in a direct but in a portable, of course, sense:) - their whole essence !!
    1. erg
      -1
      4 August 2014 13: 14
      And nothing that this eye is a symbol of God. His image is found, for example, on commemorative medals of Russia in honor of the victory in the war of 1812. In general, do not slide down to the level of narrow-minded "specialists" looking for a secret meaning in every squiggle and building their theories out of it. The coat of arms symbolizes nothing. Like any emblem, it denotes its owner. And the basis of the image can be anything, even just the figure you like. In any case, the secret of the image can only be known by its creator or owner. If the Ukrainian trident is a symbol of Rurik, then its image in the coat of arms is quite justified, since these Rurik are related to our common history. And if a Ukrainian likes him, then let him stay with them. Moreover, no one else in the modern world has claimed his rights to this figure.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        +1
        4 August 2014 20: 11
        Quote: erg
        The emblem does not symbolize anything.

        Coat of arms - a symbol whose meaning is determined by historical realities. http://sigils.ru/symbols/gerb.html
        1. erg
          0
          7 August 2014 23: 38
          Want to know more about coats of arms. I recommend the portal "Heraldry Today" led by professional heraldists and historians. Some are members of the heraldic council under the President of the Russian Federation. In the library section you will find the works of historians, both domestic, including before the revolutionary, and foreign, recognized authorities in the field of heraldry.
  7. +13
    4 August 2014 08: 05
    To be honest, I personally don't give a damn about the coat of arms of the ukraine. In recent years, and especially in the last six months, she has shown what she is. Galloping to the chants, torchlight processions, as a result - Odessa, Mariupol, the destruction of children, women, old people. Civil War. This country has given up on itself.
    And there will be no forgiveness for punishers.
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  9. +3
    4 August 2014 08: 06
    Do not forget about the ancient ukrov, where on the emblem about them information? It is necessary to seek clarification in the UKR heraldry. laughing
  10. VICTOR-61
    0
    4 August 2014 08: 07
    How did they get their lies -winter ahead -Stop it then
  11. 0
    4 August 2014 08: 09
    Interestingly, although my coat of arms has always been associated with the devils in hell. And a little more mysticism. When I read the article a long time ago, it was stated there that the countries where the cross is the foundation of the coat of arms are more prosperous.
    Although judging by Greece ...
  12. +45
    4 August 2014 08: 09
    bitingly good
    but this emblem forced the bourgeois to moderate their appetites
    1. +20
      4 August 2014 08: 22
      I take off my hat in front of him, and for some reason I always sing the anthem in the old way: The Union is indestructible of the free republics ...
      1. +6
        4 August 2014 10: 47
        There is an even earlier version of the anthem where it was sung: "Party of Lenin. Party of Stalin." Few people remember these words, which were replaced by "Power of the people"
    2. +3
      4 August 2014 08: 45
      By the way, dill and the Baltic states were the first to betray the USSR. The rest followed them a little later.
      1. +2
        4 August 2014 17: 02
        Quote: enot73
        By the way, dill and the Baltic states were the first to betray the USSR. The rest followed them a little later.

        Well, what about the Kuzbass miners, who demanded capex and a salary in dollars? And what about the Belovezhsky conspiracy, were the ringleaders? Look for traitors not there ...
        1. +3
          4 August 2014 18: 28
          The USSR was betrayed by its first and last president, as well as a group of comrades sitting on blue sadness in a whitewash bath.
    3. +7
      4 August 2014 10: 04
      One of the best emblems in the world, all by topic. I do not regret at all that I lived a significant part of my life under this symbol. Russia has reached cosmic heights with him! This is not to be forgotten.
      1. -1
        4 August 2014 11: 48
        Otherwise, under the eagle we would not have reached cosmic heights if not for the Bolsheviks. And if you take it on a historical scale, then under the eagle have achieved much more. An eagle is a glorious, powerful spiritually emblem than a ball with ears of corn.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          -1
          4 August 2014 20: 22
          Quote: AntonR7
          An eagle is a glorious, powerful spiritually emblem than a ball with ears of corn.

          There was once another empire with an eagle, Austria-Hungary was called until 1918. Also two-headed, also with three crowns. There were no fundamental differences from the coat of arms of the Russian Empire. The bird, even if it is hung with tricks, and even with three metal objects on its head, is not capable of flying.
          1. 0
            5 August 2014 17: 17
            Well, in the 1st it’s different, and in the 2nd Russia, it was under the eagle that it became an empire and a great power with the huge terraces that are now, besides, if it weren’t for the 5th column of 1917, it would have developed further.
            1. 11111mail.ru
              -1
              5 August 2014 18: 43
              Quote: AntonR7
              Well, in 1 different,

              Then list the significant differences (with the exception of "local" emblems, sword / scepter, "body armor").
              Quote: AntonR7
              in 2 Russia, it was under the eagle that it became an empire

              There was no other at that time. Therefore, this argument is not accepted.
              I attach the Russian from Nicholas II. Work on the first argument, this is not going to minus you.
              1. 0
                6 August 2014 23: 28
                The eagle is completely different in appearance, wingspan, etc., and coats of arms cannot be ruled out, since the eagle was available in many countries (coat of arms). That's just as there was no other and the spiritual traditions of the Byzantine empire passed to us under it became the leading country, this emblem needs to be respected as it is part of our Russian spirit, and the Bolshevik emblem is the emblem of traitors who forgot their traditions and who shrugged on their national identity time to change the coats of arms and flags calling for the defeat of his country, Lenin is the most important of them, the 5th column.
    4. +2
      4 August 2014 17: 15
      a majestic coat of arms and a glorious flag ...
      still causes only respect and pride.
      Although I only lived in the USSR for 9 years. But thanks to the Pochemuchka, at the age of 6 he knew a lot about his great country.
    5. Fantomas-74
      0
      4 August 2014 18: 51
      What is true is true. RUSSIA and only Russia can unite all the scattered Republics and restore this coat of arms. What are these bourgeois now afraid of?
    6. Yew
      0
      5 August 2014 07: 52
      but this emblem forced the bourgeois to moderate their appetites
      This is the point. With this emblem, the country, the people rose to unprecedented heights in their history! And if you follow the logic of the author of the article, this symbol has everything that is needed for a world power ..... but not, only one symbol, a symbol of protection against betrayal- (((
      In general, all this "heraldry" becomes significant only after bright and unconditional victories. Are there many positive developments in the history of Dill? And therefore all their symbols, only the badge on the shirt ... Say, little time has passed. Well, yes, but what about the example of the St. George ribbon? Spontaneously rebelled from "bygone times", and again sanctified the feat of the Russian people in the fight against the revived reptile !!! For many, it is more valuable than all the flags and emblems. With her and for her, people died, were subjected to the madness of "emetic-blocking". And she "sounded" - that she's only since March ...
  13. +4
    4 August 2014 08: 11
    Someone else wrote on the VO that the yellow-blue flag of Ukraine is not for Feng Shui, the Chinese do not combine such colors.
    1. +5
      4 August 2014 09: 04
      Quote: 0255
      Someone else wrote on the VO that the yellow-blue flag of Ukraine is not for Feng Shui, the Chinese do not combine such colors.
      But these colors remind of dill - traitors. In the army of Charles XII, there were Ukrainians and they wore ribbons of the color of the Swedish flag.
  14. +5
    4 August 2014 08: 12
    Which trident? Tamga is Khazar.
    Everything else is fiction.
    1. +11
      4 August 2014 08: 23
      Quote: Angro Magno
      Which trident? Tamga is Khazar.
      Everything else is fiction.

      Indeed, this is the Khazar tamga. That is, print, stamp, cliche. The Khazars lived from the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea. Turkic peoples are nomads. In many annals, the Black Sea is called the Khazar, in Europe it was called so until the 16th century. Images can be found on coins and other items. This brand also branded cattle and slaves.

      There is an assumption that the Khazars (Kazars) (the root "kaz" - nomadic) are the predecessors of the Cossacks. Kazar is a Cossack, a really close transcription. And the coat of arms of Rurik (a northerner) has nothing to do with it ...
      1. nvv
        nvv
        +2
        4 August 2014 09: 09
        Quote: Angro Magno
        Which trident? Tamga is Khazar.
        Everything else is fiction.

        Outstripped good scumbag.
      2. sergey261180
        +1
        4 August 2014 22: 19
        Quote: stayer
        Indeed, this is the Khazar tamga

        Complement.
        The crown is the crown of the Torah.
        The lion is a symbol of the tribe of Judah.
        Spikelets - a symbol of the tribe of Joseph.
        Sagittarius is a symbol of the tribe of Ruben.
  15. +7
    4 August 2014 08: 17
    After all the events in Ukraine, the trident stands on one board with a swastika.
  16. +3
    4 August 2014 08: 17
    Trident - Ukrainian fork
    On which there is no horseradish, such is the fate of knowing dill.laughing
  17. +18
    4 August 2014 08: 17
    A bit of humor ... laughing
  18. HAM
    +5
    4 August 2014 08: 18
    Personally, this coat of arms causes me to associate with a spoon, two table knives and a fork --- i.e. ALWAYS READY to eat, preferably free then. Now Lyashko uses it in his surname, so that leads to other thoughts ...
  19. +5
    4 August 2014 08: 19
    So Kolomoisky sits on feeding in the city of Yekaterinoslav. And Dnepropetrovsk he was named after the Bolshevik Petrovsky. Not good! It should be called Skachkograd.
  20. +2
    4 August 2014 08: 20
    The people who do not remember the past will have no future, soon there will be no such country of Ukraine, all the steam will go off the whistle and the Ukrainians will scatter to different states and they will take other people's symbols for their own.
  21. +2
    4 August 2014 08: 21
    Delirium fever, recently throughout Ukraine, can’t be cured without surgery. There is only one diagnosis, a tumor in the brain smile
    1. +1
      4 August 2014 09: 21
      I'm sorry of course, but there can be no tumor on what is not in principle! Something I do not see the presence of brains in dill neither where, nor in power, nor among the people, if they can be considered at all people!
  22. +1
    4 August 2014 08: 22
    what prey does the falcon fall on and what will happen when it falls?

    Not for prey. I went into a dive, but the automatic output from the peak did not work !!!
    1. 0
      4 August 2014 10: 05
      The output machine is set to a negative height.
  23. +3
    4 August 2014 08: 23
    moisture of lower Austria, coat of arms of the Rurikovich .... anthem - stolen from the Poles "Poland has not died yet" ... is that all the rod? But is there something Ukrainian?
    1. +1
      4 August 2014 08: 27
      Thieves tribe, ancient Ukrainians !!!
      1. +1
        4 August 2014 17: 18
        Quote: kaa_andrey
        Thieves tribe, ancient Ukrainians !!!

        but this is not necessary, so amuse yourself in plenty, moreover on yourself (since Ukrainians cannot distinguish Russians that Russian)
        generally look around, if you are one people - then all that you say, you say to yourself!
  24. 0
    4 August 2014 08: 24
    [media = www.youtube.com / watch? v = w2ZFa9Odl4c]
    Nothing to add ...
  25. +10
    4 August 2014 08: 26
    Have ukrov invented a story, and invented by the ukrami themselves.
  26. +3
    4 August 2014 08: 28
    Or is it a fork, symbolizing the principle of "trill"?

    I don’t bite him, I’m rather like that.
  27. +14
    4 August 2014 08: 28
    Coat of arms of the Djibouti tribe (right).
  28. 0
    4 August 2014 08: 29
    Basically, this is interesting in itself. Using the symbol of a Russian prince as a coat of arms (even a small one) and calling "yak to gilyak", calling Russians invaders, and so on - these are not even bees against honey, these are bees against themselves, but at the same time against a hive, nectar and a beekeeper. What we are seeing.

    It’s just a disease on the head.
    1. 0
      4 August 2014 10: 08
      So this is not the only point. Runic, swastika symbols of our ancestors who just do not use it. What dirt they did not cover. This is not casual.
  29. +7
    4 August 2014 08: 30
    If we consider a trident as a pitchfork (Lyashko, by the way, stylized his letter C in his pitchfork) - this is generally a symbol of popular revolt, elemental, senseless and merciless. What we are seeing.

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/040/cmsj871.jpg
  30. 0
    4 August 2014 08: 30
    finally recognized that this is a diving falcon. a month ago they minus me for this. Now about our coat of arms: the eagle was originally not 2-headed, but two birds with entwined necks (like a snake wraps around a cup on a medics icon) and probably symbolized some kind of unification (maybe yin yang like that of the Chinese) something else is possible. Further, the image was simplified to 2-headed.
  31. +1
    4 August 2014 08: 32
    And do not care what they have on the coat of arms? If people themselves ... feces.
    1. +1
      4 August 2014 17: 35
      Quote: Zomanus
      If people themselves ..

      I hope you are just badly brought up ...
  32. +1
    4 August 2014 08: 32
    Looked closely at this coat of arms. Duc, it denotes a falling downed plane by Donbass militias laughing What a dill !!!
  33. +3
    4 August 2014 08: 33
    All modern heraldry of the "country of U" was developed in 91 "on the knee" by people from the Canadian Ukrainian diaspora. Therefore, an immeasurable amount of lapses hi
  34. sergio4232
    +2
    4 August 2014 08: 33
    Why did they stop publishing "Strelkov's Summaries"? That "Voennoy Obozreniye" was being banned by someone?
    1. Reasonable
      +1
      4 August 2014 11: 36
      Strelkov himself said that there would be no reports from him. Read its representatives.
      Once visible, and not much use.
  35. +6
    4 August 2014 08: 35
    Right now, I’ll explain everything from the heraldic point. It appears that the coat of arms of Krajina is a chicken that fell on a pitchfork, exposed up. What symbolizes DANGER (falling on a pitchfork) and EAT (chicken on a fork), two gyruses in the head of Svidomo dill wassat
  36. +2
    4 August 2014 08: 39
    The natives of western Ukraine believe that the will is written there - but for me it was always a pitchfork! In short - pitchfork for the whole Ukraine project!
    1. 0
      4 August 2014 11: 42
      Quote: Efficiency
      The natives of western Ukraine believe that the will is written there

      And did these Aboriginal people of western Ukraine ever have a will or do they only dream about it? IMHO, all the way, someone had a tail and a mane.
  37. +2
    4 August 2014 08: 39
    ... Use the symbol of the Russian prince as a coat of arms (albeit a small one) and call "yak on gilyak", call the Russians invaders ...

    Judging by the meetings of the RAD, this "synthetic" people, who call themselves TRUE Ukrainians, denying their involvement in the Russians, the concept of LOGIC is completely absent.
  38. +3
    4 August 2014 08: 46
    We gave birth to them, and put an end to us ....
  39. +4
    4 August 2014 08: 53
    Quote: tomcat117
    After all the events in Ukraine, the trident stands on one board with a swastika.


    Since the time of the Second World War, the trident stands with a swastika on one board.
  40. +2
    4 August 2014 08: 54
    In Christianity, the trident is sometimes seen as a satanic weapon: in many Orthodox and Catholic icons, the devils torture sinners with tridents. The trident in the hands of Satan among Christians plays the same role as the scythe in the hands of Death, and in them it symbolizes the principle of "divide and conquer." After all, Christianity initially arose as a protest movement (comfort afterlife in paradise) of oppressed peoples in ancient Rome. At the time of its inception, it denied everything that Roman power used, including the trident.


    In the light of current events in Ukraine, such an interpretation of their emblem-trident is more consistent with its true symbolism in the Orthodox spirit. By the way, Kievan Rus having such a coat of arms disappeared with time, I think sooner or later Ukraine will cease to exist in its present form ... Even their anthem is more like a funeral chant than something inspiring.
    1. +2
      4 August 2014 10: 12
      NOT Ukraine, but it’s also stolen ...
  41. +1
    4 August 2014 08: 58
    But it is interesting if Lyashko comes to power what will be on the coat of arms. Back with downy pants. They need to come up with a hymn that when it is performed it will be necessary to jump. lol
  42. 0
    4 August 2014 09: 01
    it will always be so when there is no succession either in history, or in thoughts, or in deeds ... hi
  43. Valestine
    +2
    4 August 2014 09: 05
    Khazar tamga and Ukrainian trident are identical. It is worth recalling that, among other things, the Khazars were Jews. The historical rhyme scares - in power Kolomoisky, Poroshenko (Valtsman), Yatsenyuk and others like them. In other words, the Kolomoisk Kaganate. Now it remains to remember who put an end to this robber state. You cannot escape fate. Can Russia rake this bloody nightmare again?
  44. +3
    4 August 2014 09: 11
    For information
  45. +1
    4 August 2014 09: 24
    Ukrainians pervert and spoil everything their hand touches. So they destroyed the industry inherited by them, so they reduced the population by 10 million people, so they plunged the country into a civil war (and from scratch). They also perverted the ancient Russian coat of arms.
    1. 0
      4 August 2014 17: 38
      Quote: Tor Hummer
      Ukrainians pervert and spoil everything their hand touches

      and the USSR and RI and the church of the 16th century .. also we ...
      Wake up - your "Ukrainians" are completely confused with the Ukrainian government ..
      1. 0
        4 August 2014 19: 21
        Quote: Cristall
        Wake up - your "Ukrainians" are completely confused with the Ukrainian government ..


        Why should they get confused, this is one. laughing
  46. 0
    4 August 2014 09: 34
    Interestingly, at first I did not even believe that it was a coat of arms. Although it will do for Ukraine, history no longer knows a country so ambiguous and unintelligible.
  47. +3
    4 August 2014 09: 36
    I read another "masterpiece" on "Censor.net"! It turns out that while we, quilted jackets, were engaged in massacre, and drank glass, the rich Ukrainians sent the first man into space. Do you know the last name? GAGARENKO! belay
    1. 0
      4 August 2014 17: 40
      Quote: Ribwort
      GAGARENKO!

      in my opinion there is another delivery of tea made in Maidan ..
      soon there will be Amstronganenko, Aldrinko, Genghis Khanenko, Aleksandrenko (the one that is Macedonian) and maybe Stalinenko (although it is unlikely that tea needs to be changed there)
      Censor no-the main provider of jokes and jokes ...
  48. Crimea-nyash
    +2
    4 August 2014 09: 52
    initially it was planned to depict a fork and a spoon obliquely on a blue background. but the inborn modesty of the Ukrainians still won and stopped on the fork .. they say the spoon will be very patriotic.
  49. 0
    4 August 2014 10: 23
    Replace the plug on the emblem with an enema for gas production.
    1. 0
      4 August 2014 10: 53
      Yeah! Then urine for desalination, and feces in addition to sausage laughing
  50. Past_ Crocodile
    +1
    4 August 2014 11: 06
    The article is a file. By the way, I don’t know about Rarog, but the Khazars brand is exactly the same - see googol.
  51. 0
    4 August 2014 11: 24
    They behave like Ivans who don’t remember their kinship. History must be taught to these Maidanists

    So they have a mixture of each “creature in pairs”. That’s why they want to go to Europe - now there is no nationality, just like gender! wassat
  52. komrad.klim
    +1
    4 August 2014 11: 26
    My 5 cents.
    "Brand instead of the coat of arms of Ukraine"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9YovQ4h6-s

    all myths in one place
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR42i5j6Xbc

  53. Reasonable
    +2
    4 August 2014 11: 27
    The first thing that catches your attention:
    1. Did they put the Cossack on a par with the lion? A person with an animal?
    2. And both stand on the flag...
    3. Do they also trample down bread (wheat) or do they not eat it themselves?
    4. No one is wearing a crown. More likely over someone invisible. Neither the Cossack nor the lion were trusted. Initially it was controlled from the outside. It hangs above the Khazar tamga!!!
    5. The lion still has some kind of crown. The animal managed to stab somewhere.
    Kneading with a twist.
    They don’t even have their own power on their coat of arms.
    1. erg
      0
      4 August 2014 13: 27
      The Cossack and the lion are just shield holders. Absolutely minor figures that do not mean anything and are not necessary for the image. That is, just decorations. During the era of knightly tournaments, shields with coats of arms depicted were displayed to the public. And they had to be supported somehow. So they came up with different stands, shield holders (sometimes their role was played by servants in some kind of costume), etc.
      The crown in heraldry means complete power. It doesn't have to be worn by anyone. It can be located in the field of the shield itself (Russian coat of arms) and above it (most coats of arms). In general, the presence of the crown itself is important.
  54. shitovmg
    0
    4 August 2014 11: 41
    When I first saw it, I didn’t understand anything! I knew that their coat of arms was a trident, but I couldn’t imagine what it was! Only when I realized that there was a coat of arms in front of me, I began to use my imagination and compare...
  55. 0
    4 August 2014 12: 55
    In some ways this sign reminds me of the mask of Sauron.
  56. 0
    4 August 2014 13: 22
    Quote: Renat
    There is an even earlier version of the anthem where it was sung: "Party of Lenin. Party of Stalin." Few people remember these words, which were replaced by "Power of the people"

    You know, it seems to me that the Soviet Union had the opportunity to become a leading power in the post-war period... Only the priority was determined incorrectly: it is not IDEOLOGY that should govern CULTURE and ECONOMY, but vice versa!
  57. wanderer
    0
    4 August 2014 14: 40
    what country (if this is a country), such are the attributes ((( ---- I would insert into the coat of arms - a pig, after all, the most native animal of their inhabitants, and a piece of lard.
    (I wrote some bullshit))))
  58. +1
    4 August 2014 15: 18
    Ukraine has its own coat of arms. Coat of arms of temporary workers. And they will soon leave. Because madmen are in power - this is too much.
  59. 0
    4 August 2014 15: 31
    Quote: GSH-18
    Trident - Ukrainian fork

    What do you call a yacht, so it will sail! lol (and even the corresponding anthem, "Ukraine has not died yet!" lol )
    Now it seems that it has already "died".

    Whatever you name the yacht, write it on it! And she hasn’t died yet, but she already stinks!
  60. 0
    4 August 2014 16: 11
    The Ukrainian trident is a symbol of “initiation” into Europeans, the hint is clear. There is a reproductive organ in the middle, and a surgical instrument at the edges. Chick, and you are "European". laughing
  61. +1
    4 August 2014 18: 28
    It is natural that the coat of arms of the USSR is greatness, despite the fact that it is the most peaceful coat of arms (there is not even a hint of militant symbols - one world, equality of republics, brotherhood of peoples) and respect.
    The fact that now 15 republics have chosen their coats of arms is understandable from history.
    The Ukrainian coat of arms looks pretty good. I can't say he's bad. He is normal if you make a normal story. Destroying someone else's coat of arms is in the style of the Russians (or Ukrainians, Slavs in general), they say everything is absurd... they call it tea.
    Tomorrow on Vo they may write an article about the “theft” from Holland of a flag for the Russian Federation, a coat of arms from Byzantium (or someone else) --- why?
    You know that the main problem is that Kyiv and Moscow are competing for legal succession. Who deserves/appropriates the glory of Kievan Rus more (it doesn’t matter that the name was invented)
    From Novgorod and Kyiv... So both countries appropriate it for themselves. Hence the struggle on all fronts. Russians are taught to see Ukrainians as rivals (and vice versa) and that means they need to lower their status, everything comes into play - that’s roughly what I see in the article (and in the comments) of the Ukrainian coat of arms... recently there was something about the flag.
    Moreover, I am not on resources where there may be similar ones, but from Ukrainians, because I consider this unacceptable for an educated person. But obviously only I think so, and since I read VO, I consider it unacceptable to stoop to the level of conscious “scribblers”
    Learn to respect each other - even if TV and “zombie TV” tell you that they don’t respect you.
    Observationalism can be equated to hating. And this never led to any good!
    1. +1
      4 August 2014 19: 31
      Quote: Cristall
      You know that the main problem is that Kyiv and Moscow are competing for legal succession.


      Yeah, only the former shout that they are not the brothers of the latter and demand that the latter be hanged and slaughtered, having sold their identity and abandoning their history in favor of Western handouts, even crazy middle-aged women, and the latter (not Svidomo, thank God) silently pay for the lives of the former at their own expense, and try to convince them otherwise. So tell me, why does Kyiv need to inherit the history and symbols of Ancient Rus' in order to completely erase it to the roots, to please the West?
      So Dear Cristall, the meaning of a symbol is determined by the actions of the person who chose this symbol. As they say - "Tell me who your friend is, and I will tell you who you are."
    2. +1
      5 August 2014 03: 58
      I also like the coat of arms... and this is the main thing, because you and I have to live with it... after reading the article and comments I wanted to write a lot, but I will say this: God is the judge of them all, but an unpleasant aftertaste remains... especially honest ones, not thieving, sober and hard-working Russians are always right in everything, how could it be otherwise?! wink
  62. +1
    4 August 2014 18: 32
    You can, of course, laugh at the symbols of Ukraine, but you need to know when to stop. Otherwise it turns into verbal diarrhea on our part. About the Khazar tamga (although I strongly doubt the vowel “tamga”, because the Kaganate at the end was a purely Jewish state) - this is the case. The rest is from the evil one. In Russia, too, the flag smacks of Holland, and the remake anthem is not at all tasty. Forgot to take the log out of your eye? It is also correctly noted that from now on Trizub is finally and irrevocably connected with Nazism, and the latter is always the shock column of the world Judocracy. Whatever the early motives, right down to the artificial history, the Trident became baked into a symbol; from now on, the Trident is a symbol of the duping and enslavement of the Slavic peoples. The Slavic swastika, defamed by those who directed Adolf Schicklgruber, who chose the destructive option of “black fascist destroyer”, is truly a pity here for the true symbol of the sun and the galaxy. The trident is not a pity, not a viable symbol, utilitarian, purely for the Maidan Ivans, who do not remember kinship, for the shock column against the cradle of the Race. But I hope we won’t descend to trampling tridents and burning flags, comrades of the forum. We are not maydauns, after all.
  63. +1
    4 August 2014 18: 57
    About 2 headed eagle.

    It was also minted on coins of the Golden Horde (1 pul, Khan Janibek, 1342).

    As for the trident, then any symbolism can be irrevocably distorted (at least, create stable associations with negativity).
    This happened, for example, with the swastika (Nazi Germany).

    The modern coat of arms of New Zealand depicts as an element (you won't believe it!) - a blonde!
    There are also a lot of things you can come up with on this topic.
    On the coat of arms of the German Empire in 1888, the shield holders are “two mythological forest giants (“savages”).”
    What is it for?

    In general, heraldry is an interesting science!
  64. +2
    4 August 2014 20: 56
    Quote: biron
    Jews rule Ukrainians parodox.

    This is the most hilarious irony of current events... they have never sunk so low. Or rather, they have never lowered themselves so low. Lost... everyone knows where such a place belongs.
  65. Mishanya 84
    0
    4 August 2014 21: 35
    The coat of arms of Ukraine should depict an ass as a symbol of the coming winter laughing
  66. 0
    4 August 2014 22: 22
    I also would not switch to coats of arms, symbols, etc. How low is that? There is nothing wrong with a falling - attacking falcon. The bad thing is that scoundrels are doing things under these symbols! And what else is there, what kind of primacy - legal succession can Ukraine challenge Russia?!?!?! Some authors just need to watch less Ukrzombie TV! An artificially created state from lands that were never historically included in it, with an ideological slogan of denial, Ukraine is not Russia, it simply cannot challenge anything from anyone! Certainly not the Russia of today's Ukraine in its absurd surreal insanity! What more?!
  67. Mih
    0
    4 August 2014 23: 15
    Quote: biron
    The Ukrainian trident symbolizes three Ukrainian troubles: cold, hunger and poverty.

    The double-headed eagle, which is the main element of the Russian coat of arms, is an ancient heraldic symbol that was used in Byzantium, and there is also earlier evidence of the use of a double-headed bird in heraldry. The Russian eagle has the following interpretation:
    Therefore, the Russian coat of arms is filled with more than meaning. And this meaning is not contradictory, and it does not carry aggression, ideas of robbery or life at the expense of others.
    And Ukrainians live only with those who allow them to be like that - they are fearless, jumping in the crowd!!! wassat
  68. +1
    4 August 2014 23: 20
    Quote: Johnny51
    It is not IDEOLOGY that should govern CULTURE and ECONOMY, but vice versa!

    it's like?
    I name for all 5 powers according to Plato:
    The complete function of managing society consists of the following types of power (according to Plato):
    1. Conceptual power.
    2.Ideological power.
    3.Executive power.
    4.Legislative power.
    5. Judicial power.
    Conceptual power – provides: recognition of internal and external factors that influence the state and society; formation of vectors of goals relative to each factor; formation, on the basis of the formed goals, the concept of public administration and the structure of society, the strategy and objectives of the development of the state to achieve the goals of society, the course of foreign and domestic policy of the state.
    Ideological power - “dresses” the concept of public administration and the structure of society, the strategy and objectives of the development of the state in attractive ideological forms for the people, brings them to the broad masses, orients, organizes and activates society to achieve its goals, participates in the quality staffing of government bodies, ensures the unity of power and people, exercises public control over the activities of government bodies, forms problems of society, brings them to the authorities and proposes ways to solve them, and also, together with them, ensures their effective and timely resolution.
    The executive branch implements and implements the concept of public administration and the structure of society, the strategy and objectives of the development of the state and the course of foreign and domestic state policy in a structured and unstructured manner, relying on social traditions, the mentality of the people and Laws, developing long-term, medium-term and short-term plans and programs, the procedure and tactics for their implementation, ensuring transparency, efficiency, rationality and consistency of their actions, constant cooperation with society and other branches of government, strictly observing the rights of citizens, complying with the Constitution and Laws.
    Legislative power - brings strict legal norms and rules under the concept of public administration and the structure of society, the strategy and objectives of the development of the state, the course of foreign and domestic policy, providing Laws for the main aspects of the life of society and the state, strictly regulating all state procedures so that they do not infringe the rights of citizens and their dignity.
    The judiciary strictly monitors the observance of the rule of law in the state and the life of society, resolves conflict situations, and ensures inevitable and appropriate punishment for violators of the Laws.
    The general theory of management states that for the normal functioning of the state it is necessary to have a full set of management functions. If today in Russia no one (including the Constitution of Russia) can say anything about conceptual power, then this only means that supranational conceptual management of our country is carried out, that is, “we live by someone else’s mind,” and since without this function it is impossible to govern state is impossible, then it has become a latent (hidden, secret) form of governing our country by other powers or structures of the World Power (World Government).
  69. +1
    5 August 2014 00: 16
    The point is not what is depicted on the coat of arms; the swastika, for example, was used by Buddhists in India, China and Japan in ornaments and writing, expressing greetings and wishes for well-being, and the Nazis used this symbol to exterminate people in gas chambers. The main thing is what's in your head. As the classic said, devastation is not in closets, devastation is in our heads.
  70. 0
    5 August 2014 04: 30
    with orcs a competent comparison, the kingdom of Mordor damn it, a feast of the undead on the ruins of the state

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“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"