Could the war between Russia and Ukraine begin yesterday?

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Could the war between Russia and Ukraine begin yesterday?

It seems that yesterday could be fatal for the Ukrainian authorities. If you believe the message of the American television channel CNN, “the Ukrainian military used ballistic missiles in battles with the militias. it weapon can kill a lot of people in just one application.

“Three sources in the government have confirmed to me that over the past 48 hours American intelligence has detected the use of short-range ballistic missiles from the territory controlled by the Ukrainian army in the direction of the areas controlled by the militias. This is a serious escalation of the conflict. The missiles in question hit about 80 kilometers and have warheads weighing up to a ton. That is, it is a weapon that can kill a lot of people in just one application, ”said journalist Barbara Starr.”

Pay attention - this is the message of the Russian "Vesti" with reference only to the Americans.

Here is the original CNN message:



Here is the exact translation:

“We begin our program with urgent news from Ukraine about what may indicate a significant military exacerbation of the Ukrainian crisis. As it became known to CNN, the Ukrainian military fired ballistic missiles at the rebels.

CNN correspondent at the Pentagon Barbara Starr with us in direct communication from Washington, military analyst at CNN, Major General "Spider" Marx is in touch with us by phone. Our senior international correspondent Nick Peyton Walsh will get in touch with us in Ukraine in a few moments.

BARBARA STARR, CNN correspondent: Good morning, Carol. Not so long ago, three US government officials confirmed in an interview with me that US intelligence over the past 2 days recorded the release of several short-range ballistic missiles from territory controlled by Ukrainian government forces in territory controlled by pro-Russian separatists. This would mean a significant aggravation of the situation. Ballistic missiles short range.

The range of these missiles, perhaps, is about 50 miles. But their warheads reach a thousand pounds. We are talking about the maximum lethal effect, about weapons that can kill dozens of people at a time if used. We do not have exact information about the launch point, there is no exact information about the place of impact.

Actually, this information is now available to the United States. The authorities still hold the information, because they are in an awkward position. After all, the so-called "good guys", the Ukrainian government troops, fired these ballistic missiles. Neither Kiev nor Moscow have yet responded.

The US is not yet quite sure whether they will ask Kiev not to use such weapons anymore. Because now they say that the Ukrainian government has the right to protect itself. But do not be mistaken. There is an aggravation of the military conflict on this battlefield at a time when everyone outside Ukraine or Russia, at least, wants the conflict to go out.

They want to deliver those observers and inspectors to the MH17 crash site, and now, it seems, military actions are only getting worse, as evidenced by this new information received now, today, that short-range ballistic missiles, thousand-pound warheads were launched. Carol?

Good. So, General Marx, just recently I was talking to the chief investigator. He said that he spoke with the Ukrainian people, with the Ukrainian government. They assured him that it would be safe to get to the crash site, and now we hear that!

JAMES "SPIDER" MARX, Lt.-Gen. US Army Retired: Yes, that's pretty surprising. But to be honest, Carol, I think we shouldn’t be very surprised. Of course, Ukrainian troops, as Barbara correctly noted, have the right to defend themselves and use these long-range surface-to-surface missiles, which are mainly used as offensive weapons. They are needed to prepare part of the territory where it is necessary to reduce enemy forces before the troops enter the area.

Undoubtedly, the US intelligence community knows where the shot was fired from and where this missile was aimed. They know the answers to these questions. And I am sure that these missiles were aimed in such a way that they could not touch the crash zone of the airliner, and that they know how to proceed further in this situation. But, of course, this complicates the situation. I repeat, Kiev has rights and powers to do so.

The problem, Carol, is that these missiles may not be high-precision complexes. And I hope that they use them against the areas where Russian separatists are located ... where, according to Kiev, they have the right to use them in an attempt to reduce enemy forces and means, and where they will not cause unintended losses among the local population of this part of the country, what we all fear. ”

(Translated by "RT". Date of broadcasting - 29 July 2014 of the year.)

The question arises: why the launch of Ukrainian ballistic missiles (most likely they were released by the Tochka-U missile system) was announced on American rather than on Ukrainian television? Why in the message of the Russian TV channel refer only to the American source? Why Russian journalists did not ask for comments to the Russian military? Why are there no reports of how much damage these missiles have caused? Why are there no messages about where they fell and where they were released from?

Information:
Tochka (GRAU index - 9K79, according to NATO classification SS-21 Scarab A (English Scarab), under the INF Treaty - OTR-21) - Soviet tactical missile system of the divisional level (from the end of 1980-x transferred to the army level [2]) the development of the Kolomna mechanical engineering design bureau under the leadership of Sergei Pavlovich the Invincible.
... 20 April 2000 from the Goncharovsky ground, located in 130 km north of Kiev, launched a rocket, which after launching deviated from the course and in 15: 07 got into a residential building in Brovary, breaking through the building from the ninth to the second floor. 3 died and 5 people were injured (according to other data there were also three injured). Fortunately, the rocket was equipped with an inert warhead, otherwise there would have been much more casualties. The cause of the tragic incident, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine called the failure of the missile control system. (Wikipedia)

Some facts may partly dispel the fog of misunderstanding.

Sergey Lavrov made a statement that he did not want to talk to J. Kerry. After this, the aforementioned CNN message goes on the air, the main thing in which Russia was not the target for the missiles. After that, on the initiative of the American side, Kerry and Lavrov had a telephone conversation.

After this conversation, US Secretary of State J. Kerry and Ukrainian Foreign Minister declare Kiev’s readiness for an immediate cease-fire.

It is possible that three Ukrainian missiles were shot down. Single launches of the Tochka-U missile system can be quite easily intercepted even by relatively obsolete C-300 complexes. And this could well happen. If the Russian air defense systems detected the launch of Ukrainian short-range ballistic missiles, which can carry nuclear warheads, moreover, close to the territory of Russia, then there can be only one reaction - to immediately bring them down. Please note that these missiles are guided throughout their flight. That is, if even the initial part of the rocket’s trajectory does not fly to us, then there is no guarantee that the head of the calculation of the tactical missile system “Tochka-U” will not correct the trajectory so that the rocket hits, say, the Russian frontier post or the neighboring Russian hamlet, not.

In short, if the CNN message is true, and this is most likely true, then Russia and Ukraine, on the fault of President Poroshenko and his overseas owners, were on the verge of war yesterday. Since the complete destruction of its settlement with hundreds, if not thousands of victims, Russia could only respond with a declaration of war, reciprocal missile and bombing attacks and an invasion of enemy territory with the aim of destroying the overreacted aggressor.

Therefore, the American TV channel and sticking out the thesis that the Ukrainian missiles were not aimed at Russian territory.

It seems that the Americans were closely watching the launch and the flight of Ukrainian missiles. And they may have been the initiators of this adventure.

In this case, we are dealing with a game on the verge of a foul, and speaking "out loud", a thermonuclear Armageddon.

Obsolete Barack Obama, speaking outright with the “Fulton” speech about new sanctions against Russia, clearly emphasized that the United States and Russia are still not in a state of cold war. That is, they are not ready to turn into thermonuclear ash.

No matter how you treat yesterday's events, one thing is certain: Ukraine launched ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads, and there are no reports of where these missiles fell. So the fact of balancing on the verge of a large-scale military conflict is obvious.

The silence of the Russian leadership is alarming. But from any comments about this, I still refrain. Too high rates in this situation - Armageddon after all.

Vladimir Prokhvatilov, President of the Real Politics Foundation (Realpolitik), expert of the Academy of Military Sciences.
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  1. +34
    1 August 2014 09: 09
    Even CNN is tired of lying
    1. +203
      1 August 2014 09: 20
      With a cry of horror, Barack Obama wakes up in his bedroom at night ...
      “What happened, Lamb?” - the first lady asks in displeasure.
      - Yes, I had a nightmare ... Imagine, I dream that a meeting is taking place in Moscow ... And Vladimir Putin suddenly says: "And now the floor is given to the Governor of Alaska, Comrade Obama" ...
      - I'm not ready!
      1. +22
        1 August 2014 09: 40
        A joke pleased +. I have not read this yet wassat
        1. WKS
          +15
          1 August 2014 18: 21
          The ending is a little different: "I lost the text of the speech."
      2. Alex_Popovson
        +37
        1 August 2014 12: 20
        The governor of Alaska should be Lisa Ann, and the Lamb must be in the zoo, put in a cage.
        1. +24
          1 August 2014 12: 52
          Quote: Alex_Popovson
          and the lamb must be in the zoo, put in a cage.

          this monkey is sick on the head ... for medical reasons, euthanasia is recommended ...
          1. +2
            3 August 2014 09: 34
            Quote: military
            this monkey is sick on the head ... recommended for medical reasons

            No, euthanasia is too humane, therefore - into the cage!
            1. +3
              3 August 2014 11: 41
              Quote: ksenya
              No, euthanasia is too humane, therefore - into the cage!

              And the main thing is that the inscription would be: Don't feed the opezdyans to visitors! "!!
            2. Shur
              0
              5 August 2014 00: 17
              The "grenade" from this primate must be immediately taken away or neutralized.
        2. WKS
          +16
          1 August 2014 18: 42
          Quote: Begemot
          “Either we have an air defense system with monstrous efficiency, which I would be incredibly happy about, or the missiles flew in the direction of Russia and therefore were shot down, or I don’t know what all this means.”
          It is really strange that ours are silent if the launches really were. But it can be a disinformation, a deliberate, allegedly leak through unofficial channels, in order to look at our reaction and technical capabilities. If there were no launches and ours was not guaranteed to be detected, then saying this confirms the availability of appropriate equipment. If there were launches, then where did they fly and why didn’t they work? If our missile defense is involved, then it’s better not to really speak. Let the turnips scratch.
          1. +8
            1 August 2014 20: 22
            Maybe the American bandits are trying to intercept such missiles by the Russian air defense. They’ll take this matter off and boast at every fair, show that the Russians here, near the border, have everything and even shoot. Remember about aspirated Boeing on occasion ....
          2. +3
            1 August 2014 21: 48
            It is very likely that missile defense, plus the use of undercover data
          3. Dunno
            0
            2 August 2014 20: 14
            http://www.dipcomment.com/news.php?Ids=179
            “A well-informed diplomatic source told As-Safir newspaper that“ The US war against Syria began and ended the moment two ballistic missiles were launched, leaving conflicting information behind - with Israel denying the launch and Russia confirming it. The confrontation continued. until an Israeli statement was released indicating that the missile launches were part of a joint Israeli-US exercise, and that the missiles then fell into the sea, and the launches were not related to the Syrian crisis. "
            And what if next time on and on our missile defense missiles NATO launches its missiles? Armageddon, comrade the general?
            1. 0
              3 August 2014 11: 02
              Quote: Wow Dunno
              And what if next time on and on our missile defense missiles NATO launches its missiles? Armageddon, comrade the general?

              The sun will rise in the West!
          4. ADK57
            +4
            3 August 2014 12: 54
            Recent story.
            From the waters of the Mediterranean Sea, 2 ballistic missiles were launched towards Syria. Between Syria and the launching point was our fleet.
            According to the official version, the missiles fell into the sea.
            There was confusion. A few days later, a message about TESTING ballistic missiles. Launched Israel in conjunction with the United States.
            A message from our side that our air defense system detected a launch, then silence.
            But rocket attacks on Syria (or our fleet) did not resume.

            "Took a break - hold on."
            Somerset Maugham. "Theater"
            1. +1
              3 August 2014 17: 00
              Quote: ADK57
              Between Syria and the launching point was our fleet.
            2. 0
              3 August 2014 17: 19
              Quote: ADK57
              A few days later, a message about TESTING ballistic missiles.

              Not exactly, Israel, after repeated failures, announced the launches of advanced target missiles for verification.
              But it’s still not clear where they started and why they refused right away. _ First there was talk about the F-15 and then about the ship of the Israeli Navy.
              Anchor (target rocket)
              ...
              The rocket is produced in three versions Black Sparrow ("black"), Blue Sparrow ("blue") and Silver Sparrow ("silver sparrow") [6]. The Silver Sparrow version is designed to combat Iranian Shihab-3 ballistic missiles (range of 1500-2000 km) [6] [7]. It was first tested on September 2, 2013 [8]. The missile was launched from an F-15 aircraft and was designed to simulate the launch of ballistic missiles. The purpose of the launch was to test a new missile modification and test the radars of the Hets-2 and Hets-3 anti-missile defense systems. The missile launch from the central part of the Mediterranean Sea towards its eastern coast was not detected by the Syrian Volga Federal District, and was detected by the Russian early warning station in Armavir, after which the Israel Defense Ministry's Office for the Development of Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems (Stena Directorate) reported a successful launch target missiles "Ankor". [9] [10] [11] [12] The Russian Defense Ministry tried to accuse Israel of not being notified of the missile launch, but Israeli experts noted that "we are talking about routine tests of the missile defense system, which have never been previously agreed with the Russian authorities." [13]

              http://www.ejwiki.org/wiki/Анкор_(ракета-мишень)
        3. +2
          1 August 2014 19: 17
          Opposite Psaki let and chat
        4. 0
          3 August 2014 17: 48
          Like a giraffe.
        5. 0
          3 August 2014 23: 47
          In our Izhevsk zoo there is a cell where it says Homo sapiens sapiens, while it is empty.
        6. 0
          4 August 2014 05: 57
          PSACI should become Governor of Alaska !!!
          1. Shur
            0
            5 August 2014 00: 20
            It will be calmer for everyone if they simply "cease to be."
      3. wladimir
        +6
        1 August 2014 12: 59
        to the barracks area, to the smelly barracks
        1. WKS
          +7
          1 August 2014 18: 22
          Black Barack must sit in a black hut.
      4. -5
        1 August 2014 14: 27
        Better be the governor of Kolyma.
        1. +18
          1 August 2014 19: 13
          I mean - is known in Kolyma under the nickname the Governor? smile
        2. +8
          1 August 2014 23: 14
          he can be the governor in Kolyma only in the "cock" chamber
        3. Dunno
          +4
          2 August 2014 20: 16
          Such diarrhea is not necessary there. The Chinese have nowhere to go.
      5. +3
        1 August 2014 18: 31
        Most likely I remembered "Kuzkin's mother".
      6. megapatriot
        +3
        2 August 2014 10: 25
        this eared monkey will play out that we will erase their fourth Reich from the face of the earth for the benefit of all mankind.
      7. ADK57
        +1
        3 August 2014 13: 12
        Unfortunately, the world war with the use of nuclear weapons will cause the eruption of the sleeping super volcano Yellow Stone.
        Recently, the ice of Greenland has been actively melting. The crust under the island is straightened and bursting with a fault running in the center of the Atlantic Ocean.
        This has already led to a partial awakening of the Yellow Stone volcano. A small push (even at the bottom in the area of ​​the fault) and the eruption of hundreds of Krakatau is provided.
        But at the first stage there is no silver lining: not a single aircraft can fly into the air, i.e. the use of atomic bombers no longer threatens us. ALL space military systems, space communications, reconnaissance and TV broadcasting will be incapacitated.
        Further space winter for several years and most likely, the beginning of a new ice age.
        If a crust breaks, the United States will fall into at least 2 parts, and the tsunami will wash away most of the population of the east coast, northern Alaska, all of England, Holland, etc.
        These are my assumptions. If not right - write.
      8. +7
        3 August 2014 16: 37
        Yes, and the race continues.
      9. Evgtan
        +3
        4 August 2014 07: 28
        another joke on the grudge of the day
        The Prosecutor General of Ukraine reports to the president of the "independent":
        - There are two news: good and bad. Where to start?
        “Come on with a good one,” Poroshenko decides.
        - In 10 minutes, at the call of our prosecutor’s office to testify in the framework of the criminal case brought against him, the Minister of Defense of Russia Shoigu will arrive in Kiev.
        - So this is wonderful, - Poroshenko shone ,: - Arrest him and deal with the end ...
        - And this is the second news, - the prosecutor sighs: - He is not alone arriving ... And along with all his subordinates ...
    2. +78
      1 August 2014 09: 43
      I understand that the topic is serious, but sometimes you need to shake off the negative.
      January 2014
      We stand on the Maidan. It's cold, but it's warm to us. From tires flares with heat. Around all the beautiful faces. Every day, Western correspondents and leaders of all kinds of different European countries come to us. Ukraine is Europe, so they are coming to us. Yesterday I saw an aunt distributing pies on the Maidan. He took three. Shit shit. McDonald's is one word. Yes, and the woman is so-so. I wouldn’t fuck. And what Vitalka found in it. Love, I guess. Glory to Ukraine!?

      February 2014
      We won. The tyrant escaped. Now we will definitely live in Europe. Eeeh. I’ll buy a second-hand "Renukha" for myself. I travel around the world. I'll go to the Louvre. Glory to Ukraine!

      March 2014
      Suitcase! Railway station! Russia! Who does not want to build a new Ukraine-uyye on. Stop! Stop! Well, not so literally. Crimeans you sho - offended! Yes, we are brothers with you forever. Crimea is tse Ukraine, and Ukraine is tse Europe. Come back. We are all you want. Sevastopol - do you want port-free Ukrainian to be? You will be. We will be a bastard - you will. Yes, where are you going to get to? Who the hell are you looking at? Crawl up yet. Glory to Ukraine!

      May 2014
      Enrolled in the national guard. Be afraid. I am coming. To you!

      June 2014
      To me ! It turns out that they are shooting. And fall. And they even kill. And I thought it would be fun as on the Maidan. Still constantly want to eat. Arranged a small business. Shoot from an assault rifle - half a speed. To gasp out of a "fly" is two hundred. Where? Yes to us on a hell - if only paid. Yesterday at the construction site they said that we are already Europe. All signed. Everyone agreed. Everything. Now no visas. As we finish the quilted jackets, I will immediately go to Nice. Enough money. We have a salary - wow.

      August 2014
      Wow! And where are the promised ten thousand and combat allowances? He asked the commanders - he was accused of not patriotism and selfish interests. Then beaten by patriotic soldiers. The country is difficult now. Also, Russia crap with might and main. Disconnected from everything and turned on the counter. I hate her. What do I get stars with them because of them? Glory to Ukraine!

      September 2014
      Padded jackets are overgrown. Who gave them the right to fight like that, cowards? No, to go into a pure field, where we already have tanks, yes “hail”, yes mortars, and helicopters ... Not at all. helicopters will not work. They are cherished. They die out faster than the Amur tigers. In general, terrorists are not fighting according to the rules. Everyone strives to shoot at us, and then hide in the trenches. As soon as we begin to bomb them, they immediately, like rats, into the cellars. Well nothing. We will definitely win. Glory to Ukraine!

      December 2014
      Houses. Zadolbala war. Well - zadolbala? She jumped. On the head with a splinter. Well, at least he was in a helmet and did not kill at all. Thanks to Europe. Equipped with uniforms. Okay. I'll go there Christmas. I’ll be treated. No visas required. Beauty. And you there, Colorado, die in your trenches Glory to Ukraine!

      January 2015
      Hm. Well not omitted? Had arrived. I stand at the customs. All so revolutionary. In a helmet. The bandage on me is fresh. Bag with the symbols of the European Union. In the hands of a ticket. In your pocket passport. But they’re not letting me in. Yes, yes, they say, you do not need a visa, but present a medical insurance, hotel reservation, a bank account, a medical certificate that is not speedy, a certificate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs certified by the consul and a certificate of the consul certified by the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Document from work. Family status. Inspection for flea and worminess. Not allowed. Well, to hell with you. I’ll go to my native Carpathians. It’s good there now. Snowball Easy frost. Skiing. I fucked that Europe. We ourselves are Europe. Glory to Ukraine!
      1. +24
        1 August 2014 09: 58
        Let me remind you:
        1. +3
          1 August 2014 14: 19
          By the way, on the channel of the studio "420" - the manufacturer of this masterpiece - this video is absent.
          The first time I saw him there was around February 2014. I didn’t go there anymore. Then I thought for some reason that this was a Ukrainian studio.
          On April 28, 2014 I posted here 2 videos from "420" - one is intact, and the second - "Maidan 2019" was deleted.
    3. +57
      1 August 2014 09: 52
      February 2015
      E ... I'm this snowball. Its something too damn good. And frost minus thirty light as you will not name. Only skis remained. Would stand on them and again to Kiev. Again maidanit. There were at least warm buns. shit is true, but to hell with European values. And these creatures, we blocked the gas. Well nothing. Think crush us? Fuck you. In our country, both gas and coal are up to ... (a lot). We will interrupt. Glory to Ukraine!

      March 2015
      With coal, I got a little excited. He is not there. The quilted jackets still separated. Well, to hell with them. We have forests - do not cut logs. Saw - do not saw. We will live without you. But they still crawl to us, to Europe. And we will laugh at them. Glory to Ukraine!

      April 2015
      I got involved in chopping wood like that. The nearest tree is 10 km. The rest is all messed up. In the morning on skis and race the whole village. Who is the first to finish - that and the tree. It’s good that the winter is over. Now the snow will come down and beauties. We will heal. Glory to Ukraine!

      May 2015
      Gone ... Washed away to hell all the village. We are waiting for help from the government and Europe. Europe is not Russia. Its not abandoning. Glory to Ukraine!

      June 2015
      We live here in huts. Europe still helped. They sent a generator and a TV. On the TV, however, there is only one button. "On off". Programs do not switch. But we do not need. TSN is our everything. There were no buns this time. The whole village collected blackberries. They sold it. We bought diesel fuel for money and we can watch our favorite program in the evenings. This is not zombie Kiselevschina. The President said that we have temporary difficulties and we need to tighten our belts a little. He even showed that his belt fastener has moved one hole. Well, hell. He has one hole, like a hundred bucks discount on a penthouse in Barcelona. And we already have diarrhea and hallucinations from berries and mushrooms. But on the other hand, we, almost like Europeans, are pure ecology. Natural products. Glory to Ukraine!

      August 2015
      We tried to walk the paths to Europe. So what? We are Europeans. We can do without visas. No one could get a certificate about the absence of fleas. But they got stars from the border guards. romanian. What would Ceausescu and Dracula have dreamed about all your life. I constantly want to eat. Almost like then, in the Donbass. We placed the snares on the game. There was no game. A stray cat is not considered. We released it. We are not flayers. Glory to Ukraine!

      September 2015
      Kitty Kitty Kitty. Kisya, where are you? They gave stars to those who said that "the cat does not count." Everything counts. For us, cats are not sacred animals. We are not Egypt, after all. We are Europe. Glory to Ukraine!

      October 2015
      They debated for a long time what to do with the last diesel fuel - to save until the cold weather or to watch the news for the last time. Culture has triumphed. We looked. The President received European leaders and talked about the achievements of democracy. Understood that achievements to hell. The main thing is freedom of speech and the absence of corruption. We decided to check. They charged the smartphone for the last drops and wrote on the website of the presidential administration that he was fag. The next day, people in black arrived and smashed all the stars. Then they explained that freedom of speech is only on the Schuster program. Everything else does not count. Glory to Ukraine!

      November 2015
      It got colder. Thought and otp ..... whether those who voted to spend the last solarium on this th television. At the same time warmed up. Nothing. We survive. Glory to Ukraine!

      December 2015 *
      They decided for a long time - to put a Christmas tree, which they found and cut down for 30 kilometers from our village or to make a fire and warm themselves. For prevention, they immediately gave the stars to those who could vote for "Put!". We still have democracy. We are Europe. Glory to Ukraine!
      1. +89
        1 August 2014 09: 56
        January 2016
        Snow. Lot. Handsomely. Help from Europe was dropped from a helicopter. They threw stones at him for a long time. They wanted to bring down. Still, the helicopter is kerosene. Eeeh! We would have at least one quilted jacket. They knew how. But they bent there, probably all. Who will help them. Not like us Europeans. They made their way through the deep snow to the place of discharge. Snow on the balls. Skis have long turned into heat joules. The flags of Ukraine and the European Union, birth control pills and flea powder turned out to be in the buzzards. They understood the hint. Still, Europe is waiting for us. Glory to Ukraine!

        February 2016
        All tablets were gobbled up. Calorie content is close to zero. Efficiency and not required. There is still no force for intercourse. Taste better than flea powder. At the general meeting, they decided to go to the Maidan. I'm tired of all. Only to find like-minded people. Glory to Ukraine!

        March 2016
        Come out. On the fifth day of the road, a crowd met a man in two hundred. By tradition, they shouted “Glory to Ukraine!” And gave each other the stars. Then we went together to Kiev. We walk around the NATO bases. They shoot from there and do not want to feed. We get to the place. Let's arrange a revolution. Glory to Ukraine!

        April 2016
        Got it. There are a lot of us. Three hundred and three hundred. All that remains of the country. But we are power! Now hit the tires. Geta Gang! Glory to Ukraine!

        May 2016
        Well, you already understand .... We broke the stars. Discarded for the Dnieper. The revolution failed. We stand on the border of the DPR. Hey! Padded jackets. Sorry - the Slav brothers, I wanted to say. Is there anything to eat? We are one country. What Europe ... Russia! Russia! Happy Victory Day! World! Work! May! Putin ... lololo! ... Oh !. Burst out. So will we come in? Who remembers the old, that .... Glory to Ukraine!
        1. +7
          1 August 2014 14: 29
          Oh thanks, Alexander (ele1285)! He laughed heartily. True, as they say, laughter and sin, in case it comes true ...
        2. +2
          2 August 2014 15: 25
          Thank you, you haven’t laughed like that for a long time.
      2. +15
        2 August 2014 07: 23
        What do you think will be so? lol
      3. +2
        2 August 2014 08: 49
        wink Something from Nastardamus?
    4. +23
      1 August 2014 11: 48
      And why do we need to fight with Ukraine, they themselves will bite each other in winter.
      1. +6
        2 August 2014 10: 52
        In the Urals, of course, we don’t have summer today, but I never wanted winter like this before.
    5. +20
      1 August 2014 12: 50
      How glad I am that they have no nuclear weapons.
    6. +9
      1 August 2014 14: 27
      If you draw conclusions about the article and everything that is said in it, it seems that the USA and the Nazis of Ukraine are troubled by something terrible, the Russian Armed Forces of the Russian Federation understand everything and I’m sure will take all the necessary steps to adequately solve the headache called the Nazis of Ukraine.
    7. -6
      1 August 2014 20: 34
      Quote: vitaz
      Even CNN is tired of lying

      I hope that our dearly beloved Vladimir Vladimirovich, with a sad expression on his face, will nevertheless once again express his "deep concern" about this glaring misunderstanding. And the subsequent call for dialogue will become the crown of political thought of all times and peoples.
    8. DMB-88
      +10
      1 August 2014 22: 26
      Quote: vitaz
      Even CNN is tired of lying


      “No, we are doing the right thing, so severely punishing the nationalists of all stripes and colors. They are the best helpers of our enemies and the worst enemies of their own nations. After all, the nationalists' cherished dream is to split the Soviet Union into separate “national” states, and then it will become easy prey for enemies. The peoples inhabiting the Soviet Union, for the most part, will be physically exterminated, the rest will turn into dumb and pathetic slaves of the conquerors.

      It is not by chance that the despicable traitors of the Ukrainian people - the leaders of the Ukrainian nationalists, all these millers, konovalians, Bandera have already received the task of German intelligence to stir up among Ukrainians who are Russians, hate Russians and seek separation of Ukraine from the Soviet Union. The same old song of ancient times since the period of the Roman Empire: divide and conquer.

      Especially succeeded in inciting national hatred and incitement of one people against other Englishmen. Thanks to such tactics, bribing the miserable and corrupt leaders of various nations, capitalist island England - the first factory of the world, negligible in size, managed to seize vast territories, enslave and rob many nations of the world, create a “Great” British Empire, in which, boastfully say the British, the sun never sets.

      With us, this number, while we are alive, will not work. So it’s in vain that the Hitler fools call the Soviet Union a “house of cards”, which allegedly collapses during the first serious test, is counting on the fragility of the friendship of the peoples inhabiting our country today, hoping to make them quarrel with each other. In the event of a German attack on the Soviet Union, people of different nationalities who inhabit our country will defend it, sparing no life as their beloved homeland.

      However, nationalists should not be underestimated. If allowed to act with impunity, they will bring a lot of trouble. That is why they should be kept in the iron rein, not to let them undermine the unity of the Soviet Union. ”

      IV Stalin - Complete Works. Volume 15, "Conversation with A.S. Yakovlev 26 March 1941 of the Year ", C. 17
    9. tripletrunk
      0
      2 August 2014 19: 25
      As in the Cuban missile crisis - "quickly" through the press to announce that the war is canceled.
    10. 0
      3 August 2014 09: 25
      http://doc.rt.com/filmy/vetnam-rani-vojni/#part-1 #RT #RTD #видео #фильм #Вьетнам #война #насилие #история #США #дети #химоружие #общество
  2. +21
    1 August 2014 09: 11
    "Unauthorized launch" is one of the reasons for receiving a "retaliation" ... So once again I am convinced that the leadership of the Junta has NO BRAINS ...
    1. Cadet787
      +13
      1 August 2014 09: 22
      Ukrainian soldiers, the Kiev government exploits your patriotic feelings, calls on you to fight for Ukraine, but in fact you are fighting to preserve their vile skins, they have shed so much blood, they will have to answer before the court of history and the people, they are afraid of this animal fear. weapons against the fascist junta, only you can stop fratricide, go to the side of the militia. OUR BUSINESS THE RIGHT VICTORY WILL BE BACK FOR US!
      1. +31
        1 August 2014 10: 12
        Quote: Cadet787
        calls on you to fight for Ukraine

        Encourages what ....Well, something like this laughing
    2. 0
      1 August 2014 09: 48
      The question is, and our general track these launches ....
      1. +6
        1 August 2014 11: 33
        Quote: kostik1301
        The question is, and our general track these launches ....


        Well, if these missiles were shot down, then they were being tracked.
      2. +8
        1 August 2014 11: 44
        As an option, they were not only tracked, but could also be destroyed through the self-liquidation procedure (missiles of our production, how to track them and how to shoot them down, we should know best bully ), without any unmasking launches of our missile defense
      3. +9
        1 August 2014 13: 14
        Quote: kostik1301
        The question is, and our general track these launches ....

        And who shot them your way? The militia found a fragment of a rocket 180 cm long, which suggests that they were shot down in the air.
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    4. +12
      1 August 2014 18: 54
      I think that now their Shtatovskie masters are convinced of this. Indeed, the Ukrainian government has no brains.
      It is already useless to talk to the Americans, only lies and hysteria. And with these ... - one barking, no human words are heard. After the command "face" he blows his head clean.
      Now there are two feelings towards them - contempt and disgust. Let them pray so that the third does not appear - fierce hatred.
  3. +10
    1 August 2014 09: 11
    And yesterday there would be no country called Dill, there was and no.
    1. +6
      1 August 2014 09: 27
      Probably in the first place would have been blocked the opportunity to escape the tops of UKROtvary from Kiev. And then everything on the squares of UKROshakaliya, because intelligence seems to be on top ...
      1. +3
        1 August 2014 10: 52
        Quote: alexneg
        Probably in the first place would have been blocked the opportunity to escape the tops of UKROtvary from Kiev. And then everything on the squares of UKROshakaliya, because intelligence seems to be on top ...


        If yesterday this war would have happened, Poroshenko would have to love the taste of a tie, as when his Georgian brother fell in love with him in 2008.
        1. +3
          1 August 2014 18: 36
          Don't worry so much.
          Ukrtvary (everyone knows or name names ???) we will not give back. Let them sit and shake. - "And a woman with a scythe walks along the road and SILENCE" ...... This is for them.
        2. +1
          2 August 2014 12: 59
          Only a tie will be leather and with a different taste of freedom.
      2. 0
        1 August 2014 22: 05
        Uh, if you fight, then the first thing is landing on Kiev and nuclear power plants. For dumping such an emergency under the occupation by the troops of the Russian Federation is a sweet deal.
    2. pahom54
      +2
      1 August 2014 10: 08
      And she is already gone ...
    3. 0
      4 August 2014 00: 13
      Was she not there?
  4. +16
    1 August 2014 09: 12
    For a long time, CNN has been making news "on its own" and is at the scene of conflicts before they start!
    1. +4
      1 August 2014 12: 00
      What "efficiency"! This is "work"! laughing
  5. +1
    1 August 2014 09: 12
    Oh yeah, if suddenly so, then something is wrong, patience will end, and then it will be impossible to stop ...
  6. +2
    1 August 2014 09: 13
    They don’t lie because it smells delicious. Nobody likes the war and nobody has a desire to get involved in it.
    1. +4
      1 August 2014 09: 41
      And when you consider who EARNED at 1 World and Great Patriotic?
      Someone still wants a war in Eurasia. !!!
  7. Big den
    +10
    1 August 2014 09: 15
    The fascist Caudla is looking for ways to provoke Russia, if the fact of intercepting these missiles was a very "unhealthy" precedent, then there was a threat to our territory.
  8. +20
    1 August 2014 09: 16
    Everything is somehow suspicious. Tochka-U is Iskander’s predecessor, it’s so easy to knock down a missile launched on the territory of the DPR from the territory of Russia, the LPR is not so simple. Either we had an air defense system with monstrous efficiency, which I would have been extremely happy with, or missiles flew precisely towards Russia and therefore they were shot down, or I don’t know what all this means.
    1. +1
      1 August 2014 09: 21
      I agree with you, and that’s why I wrote my comment above in such a company, it’s clear
      1. dmb
        0
        1 August 2014 09: 25
        As for "Shot Down", it is best to leave the next Presidential Expert on the conscience. However, their conscience does not interfere with breach because of its complete absence.
    2. +12
      1 August 2014 09: 44
      In my opinion!! 3-4 missiles were launched, of which 1 was on the territory of the Russian Federation. What for?! Very simply someone needs a war and at the same time checked the air defense of the Russian Federation. But the matter here is clearly muddy if Keri Lavrov did the ball ...
    3. Dmitriy1975
      +7
      1 August 2014 10: 02
      If the theater of military operations is constantly monitored, then the Point will be spotted during deployment, and it is not more difficult to destroy the missile launched by it
    4. +5
      1 August 2014 10: 31
      Quote: Begemot
      or missiles flew towards Russia

      Yes, let it be from any angle and the rocket will fly towards Russia.
      And how to guess who she is targeting.
      Fell down all potentially dangerous targets and don't be shy.
      IMHO.
      1. korjik
        +3
        1 August 2014 11: 07
        Yeah, the truth is all dangerous targets in the Pentagon.
    5. +1
      1 August 2014 11: 46
      As an option, they were not only tracked, but could also be destroyed through the self-destruction process (missiles of our production, how to track them and how to shoot them we should know best bully), without any unmasking launches of our missile defense
    6. +3
      1 August 2014 13: 39
      Everything is somehow suspicious. Tochka-U is Iskander’s predecessor, it’s so easy to knock down a missile launched on the territory of the DPR from the territory of Russia, the LPR is not so simple.

      The Tochka is not the predecessor of the Iskander. Its predecessor is 9K714 OKA! It was "OKA" that could make an anti-missile maneuver in front of the target, which is a military secret.
      1. +5
        1 August 2014 15: 29
        It is necessary to launch the self-liquidator on all projects that are on the urkaine, so that there was nothing to launch, and the launchers should be removed for good - "matches for children are not a toy"
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  9. +5
    1 August 2014 09: 17
    Obviously, so to speak, a test of the pen and an assessment of the reaction of Russia, there is no reaction, CNN reacted, so the application will be
  10. +7
    1 August 2014 09: 20
    The combat use of such systems is preceded by serious training, reconnaissance, and rear support. And with nuclear warheads this is another story altogether. Nobody shot down anything, just ukrovoyaki scare their people than they can, but, as always, stupid. One thing is bad - such a weapon is in the hands of downs, within the range of use there are objects that can cause environmental or technological disasters and just a lot of civilians (as they always do not get into the militia). It is necessary to somehow suppress the position, deprive fools of such weapons.
    1. -3
      1 August 2014 09: 45
      Of course, they have enough brains for a nuclear warhead, but the fear of the consequences of such a strike does its job.
  11. +2
    1 August 2014 09: 22
    The United States, for a long time, has been firmly vaccinated, with an innate, irrational horror in front of any ballistic missiles. Somehow they collapsed right away ... And this should be used.
    It is not very clear that they were so bothered by the use of the Point? Without nuclear warheads, this is not the most formidable weapon with a rather large KVO at 200 m. The Smerch MLRS seems to me much more dangerous.
    1. +5
      1 August 2014 15: 13
      Quote: bootlegger
      The United States, for a long time, has been firmly vaccinated, with an innate, irrational horror in front of any ballistic missiles. Somehow they collapsed right away ... And this should be used.
      It is not very clear that they were so bothered by the use of the Point?

      Most likely, it was not the use of the Point that bothered them, but the fact that they were destroyed during the flight to the target. Well then, all of their laudatory missile defense is flying to hell! If even the S-300 clicks like missiles like nuts, then what about the S-400 and S-500?
      1. +12
        1 August 2014 19: 56
        Somehow you are talking dismissively about the S-300. What does it mean - even if? This is a brilliant development, to which many countries still have to go and go. This complex hits everything - down to low-flying targets - cruise missiles. Just for guaranteed destruction, a volley of two units occurs at once. Even the S-200 was capable of this, another 30 years behind. I still remember the command - "low-flying target, consumption - two". And a little later - "the target is destroyed!"
        1. +5
          1 August 2014 21: 37
          Quote: Reserve officer
          Somehow you are disparaging about the S-300.

          In no way! On the contrary, I admire this complex. I meant that if the old developments of our air defense are capable of shooting down, as you say, everything that flies, then what are the complexes of the latest modifications capable of? Even "my" S-125, in the 70s, also fired a salvo of two missiles, and they were on the launchers, at that time, two each. I had a chance to visit the shooting in Asheluk, so a little remained in my memory too.
  12. -62
    1 August 2014 09: 23
    Apparently, Saur Mogila was fired on by the Point, for eyewitnesses reported about a "sea of ​​fire" at this fortified height. Well, for such purposes, the Point was created, and when the Ukrainians faced a dilemma - to lose dozens and hundreds of soldiers killed or to use the Point, they chose the latter. As their Russian colleagues in Chechnya and Georgia have done more than once.
    1. +25
      1 August 2014 09: 45
      .... No need to compare Russian colleagues with these earhooks ... hi
    2. +20
      1 August 2014 10: 47
      Let's not turn this site into a censor. A man without insults and dirt expressed his version, albeit pro-Ukrainian.
      There really are no civilians on the Saur Mogile, so sadly, the use of ballistic weapons is not a war crime.
      Another thing is that it is not yet clear exactly where these missiles hit. And why CNN was the first to be shy.
      1. -14
        1 August 2014 12: 34
        Saur Mogila is very close to the Russian border, about 10 km. Therefore, one version says that the Americans fixed with their advanced satellite reconnaissance group the launch of a ballistic missile, of which Point is, they were worried, as if the Ukrainians would not launch the missiles on the Russian side. The reason for the Ukrainians to strike The point could be that the Russians are launching MLRS attacks on the Ukrainian military near the border.
        1. +3
          1 August 2014 13: 16
          Somewhat strange version .. I remember that Americans should sleep and see how Ukraine provokes Russia into armed intervention.
          I would understand if the Europeans were excited, but the Americans ... For them, the beginning of the conflict means only a good profit.
        2. +5
          2 August 2014 02: 46
          You, dear man, are confusing something! If the Russians launched MLRS strikes on the "Ukrainian military" near the border, then the "Ukrainian" military would no longer exist in the world, just like the Ukrainian ones. And you would not have time to sit on social networks, but to save yourself in London, if, of course, you are allowed there.
        3. leglun
          0
          2 August 2014 18: 07
          Advanced, according to your quiver !!!
      2. -1
        2 August 2014 00: 11
        Quote: serrrrgo
        Let's not turn this site into a censor. A man without insults and dirt expressed his version, albeit pro-Ukrainian.
        There really are no civilians on the Saur Mogile, so sadly, the use of ballistic weapons is not a war crime.
        Another thing is that it is not yet clear exactly where these missiles hit. And why CNN was the first to be shy.

        I agree, but very late and now VO is almost Rosicensornet. Where instead of a mat of a minus (however insults are also present) which is very sad.
        Disagreement with the line of general VO + the Ukrainian flag is that red rag for rossensornetchikam ...
        Saur Grave could very well be fired upon. But so far there is no evidence of her shelling.
        With such an unlimited information war - it is impossible to trust anyone. Neither Russian sources, nor American, nor Ukrainian ...
        1. 0
          2 August 2014 02: 48
          It’s hard to live without Vera ... Only to survive. And how it turns out?
    3. +7
      1 August 2014 11: 32
      Pan Aeneas, I have no colleagues in Ukraine, there is a likely adversary, but what we did not have to tell you in the Caucasus, you probably weren’t there, unless of course you were in the ranks of Ukrainian mercenaries.
    4. +3
      1 August 2014 12: 19
      You forgot to add glory to Ukraine to the heroes of glory, it is a pity that in Georgia tie 3.14 to one adviser who was not put into the point was not crammed, AND EASILY MUCH.
    5. 0
      1 August 2014 12: 44
      As far as is known, missiles did not hit the Saur Grave)) Or maybe they didn’t shoot there? Well, the coordinates there forgot her, forgot how to put it, but you never know what ...) Kerosene was not enough, again))
    6. +5
      1 August 2014 13: 32
      Then you understand what kind of weapon will be used for you, when you try to return to the Crimea.
      I also think that we do not need sacrifices. And the story is full of positive examples. The USA, now, they used the atomic bomb in Japan and are now friends in a hickey. laughing
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  13. +5
    1 August 2014 09: 23
    BARBARA STARR, CNN correspondent: Good morning, Carol. Not so long ago, three American civil servants confirmed in an interview with me that US intelligence over the past 2 days has recorded the release of several short-range ballistic missiles from the territory controlled by Ukrainian government forces over the territory controlled by pro-Russian separatists


    This is a rehearsal before this provocation:

  14. sanek0207
    +3
    1 August 2014 09: 24
    Now, I don’t understand anything at all! If these missiles will be used, as used art. shelling on the territory of the Russian Federation, then we should sit on the backside exactly when the citizens of the Russian Federation are killed, because of the fear that the 3rd world will start ??? People, simple peaceful people in Russia are also consumables?
    1. -4
      1 August 2014 10: 02
      Quote: sanek0207
      People, simple peaceful people in Russia are also consumables?

      I hasten to please you with the fact that any self-respecting Russian company has a document called "Company Policy in the Use of Human Resources". The idiocy of the name is bashfully explained by the difficulties of translation. The meaning should be clear to you - after the standard number of engine hours, the spent "human resource" is drained and replaced with a new one. Why shouldn't a well-organized democratic state use such an internationally recognized methodology?
      1. +1
        4 August 2014 09: 17
        Why minus? No one has worked for large companies? With us, this applies to middle-level specialists, but ordinary workers are not touched. And in one scientific work on government within the state they called it "Cutting off the elites." So anything can be ...
  15. APS
    0
    1 August 2014 09: 26
    Such a rocket flies for a maximum of two minutes. It is unlikely that we would bring them down and the question is whether we can or not - we can, only there is not enough time for a decision. Rather, we were notified that it would be soon, so that we would already know what to do when such missiles fly out. And then if we knock them down, this is a war, if we do not knock them down, then Russia saw and made these sacrifices ...
    1. 0
      1 August 2014 22: 21
      What the Russian Federation knew that they would apply was 100% and the decision was made in advance, because there could be no discussions in 2 minutes and combat duty should be conducted right away to launch them. Yes, there are many of them in the Criminal Code - 90pcs.
  16. +8
    1 August 2014 09: 33
    Quote: sanek0207
    Now, I don’t understand anything at all! If these missiles will be used, as used art. shelling on the territory of the Russian Federation, then we should sit on the backside exactly when the citizens of the Russian Federation are killed, because of the fear that the 3rd world will start ??? People, simple peaceful people in Russia are also consumables?


    As I said - not in vain, oh not in vain, now the exercises of the RF Armed Forces are constantly going on.

    It is not regrettable, but we should be prepared, gentlemen, just in case. Remember your APU who they have ...
    1. Rusi dolaze
      +10
      1 August 2014 09: 47
      Remember your APU who they have ...
      Apologizing, but not the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the VUS :))) Military specialties :)))
      And APU - probably the armed forces of the outskirts :))
      1. +5
        1 August 2014 09: 49
        Sorry, "ets" corrected, and the APU - missed. Mea kulpa. VUS, of course.
    2. +1
      1 August 2014 10: 33
      Quote: Warlock_r
      Remember your APU who they have ...

      I have a specialty "commander of a department of medium-power radio stations p140, p137". This is a long-decommissioned technique. Why should I remember him, VUS?
      1. +2
        1 August 2014 10: 40
        Quote: Uncle
        This is a long-written-off technique. What should I remember him, VUS?


        Well, surely there are some things that are common to decommissioned equipment, and to its latest counterparts. I don’t know, any rules for conducting radio exchanges in war conditions. Or something else similar ...
      2. +5
        1 August 2014 16: 23
        P140-like the pyramid of Cheops. Always in service)).
      3. 0
        3 August 2014 15: 08
        In warehouses there. And if it comes to massacre - it will come in handy.
      4. 0
        4 August 2014 00: 28
        assistant commandant
  17. +16
    1 August 2014 09: 33
    Do not consider the enemy stupid - this is the first rule in wartime. Therefore, it is worth recognizing the likelihood of provocation by the Armed Forces. As far as everyone knows, the border settlements of Russia and the border checkpoint were subjected to mortar shelling, there was also a statement in the event that such provocations continued, the RF Armed Forces reserve the right to deliver pinpoint strikes at enemy mortar and artillery points, and here the missile system is called "Tochka ...". And since tactical missiles did not reach their targets, then it is somehow difficult to blame Russia, hence the silence. Well, the Armed Forces will continue to use this complex until the provocation is fully implemented. And if someone stutters again, they say what did your Tochka complexes do there, as with the Buk complex, the APU will simply throw up its hands. This is not stupidity, this is a brazen display of aggression and an unprecedented lie.
  18. +13
    1 August 2014 09: 33
    Well, in 92 we took nuclear weapons from them! Otherwise, it’s scary to think about it ...
    1. -2
      2 August 2014 00: 15
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Well at 92 we took nuclear weapons from them! Otherwise, it’s scary to think about what happened.

      they didn’t take it away, and Ukraine adopted a nuclear-free status in exchange for protecting the leading countries ... Toy ter. integrity that was violated, to those who guaranteed it ..
      Warheads disposed of and uranium in the Russian Federation. All for amerskie money .. treklyanye ..
      1. +3
        2 August 2014 01: 11
        ... status in exchange for the protection of leading countries ... Toy ter. integrity that was violated, to those who guaranteed it .. what
        ... It was not necessary to THREATEN a neighbor and call the USA military to their billets, then INTEGRITY would not have suffered ...! It is necessary to think a head, and then not to build an integrity * ost ** nost, Mlyn! fool
        1. kazak.zp
          0
          4 August 2014 18: 58
          Quote: RONIN-HS
          ... status in exchange for the protection of leading countries ... Toy ter. integrity that was violated, to those who guaranteed it .. what
          ... It was not necessary to THREATEN a neighbor and call the USA military to their billets, then INTEGRITY would not have suffered ...! It is necessary to think a head, and then not to build an integrity * ost ** nost, Mlyn! fool

          Who threatened a neighbor? Great and powerful? And now integrity is definitely not going to suffer soldier
          1. 0
            4 August 2014 19: 19
            Quote: kazak.zp
            Who threatened a neighbor? Great and powerful?

            Is it really so ?!
            Where were they shouting _ Mos ... at the gilyak?
            Does the exaltation of Bandera and Shukhevych not matter?
            Their fate has not taught you anything.
      2. Heavy
        +1
        2 August 2014 04: 27
        as of 2014, this agreement was not ratified by any of the signatory parties, it’s clear with Russia but why didn’t the Budapest Memorandum ratify the United States and Great Britain?
        1. +1
          2 August 2014 14: 07
          Quote: Machine gunner
          as of 2014, this contract has not been ratified by any of the signatory parties

          It goes without saying, but here such a thing _ integrity was guaranteed by Ukraine, but where is this state now?
          On the territory of this state there is a state formation resulting from a revolution (the opinion of the EU and the SGA) or a putsch (RF).
          Love this is a new state, and no one concluded anything with it, and I don’t remember the declarations of succession!
          The first thing they started with was to repeal the old constitution and laws!
        2. kazak.zp
          0
          4 August 2014 19: 02
          It only says that Ukraine was not going to attack anyone, and the great and powerful should take care of territorial integrity hi
          1. 0
            4 August 2014 19: 13
            Quote: kazak.zp
            It only says that Ukraine was not going to attack anyone, and the great and powerful should take care of territorial integrity

            They are worried, though its territorial integrity.
            Now is not the time of the USSR _ PEACE, FRIENDSHIP, BROTHERHOOD are in the past _
            "Shoot down horses, aren't they?"
  19. Freemason
    +1
    1 August 2014 09: 38
    Radishes play with fire ... and the most annoying thing is that a war can start because of these idiots ... do they think they can hide somewhere later? where! IN AMERICA ? fools ... it will be a complete collapse for the whole world. They will be avenged, them, their own children ...
  20. +7
    1 August 2014 09: 42
    ballistic missile launches - the Russian Armed Forces know, the DNR leadership knows. but everyone and all the media are silent. that means they don’t want to tell the truth and the conclusions are not yet ready (far-reaching) to make public. apparently the end of this whole vile war is nearing.
  21. 0
    1 August 2014 09: 48
    Here, in fact, is another example ...

    Intercepted negotiations of border officers of Ukraine. The junta unleashes a war with Russia

    http://respublica.dn.ua/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%
    D1%85%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8B-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%BE%D
    0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8B-%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B5%D1%80/
    1. +6
      1 August 2014 10: 19
      Already deleted the video, it seems. censorship went to work ....
      1. 0
        1 August 2014 22: 39
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_vKI6lgM9I
  22. DPZ
    +3
    1 August 2014 09: 56
    Strelkov said that according to intelligence three points were dragged to the airport. may still gasp! It is assumed that they want to stir up a man-made disaster. it’s getting scary.
    I hope our anti-aircraft defense will not doze off and will not allow this to happen, they will intercept.
    1. zzz
      zzz
      +4
      1 August 2014 11: 35
      Quote: DPZ
      Strelkov said that according to intelligence three points were dragged to the airport. may still gasp! It is assumed that they want to stir up a man-made disaster. it’s getting scary.
      I hope our anti-aircraft defense will not doze off and will not allow this to happen, they will intercept.


      It would be easier to get Strelkova heavy artillery and the whole airport to hell than use our air defense.
    2. +1
      2 August 2014 03: 04
      What’s interesting to me is if there were several launches and all the missiles were destroyed (the wreckage could fall to the ground near the militia checkpoint), the question arises as to whether they were destroyed at the same time. If this is so, then the self-destruction system that our aircraft launched has worked. Although I’m not an expert in the field of air defense, I think that self-destruction systems by radio signal in missiles such as Tochka are worth it. For the sake of precaution. And the fact that our radar systems near Voronezh and Armavir can track and recognize everything that flies and more than an orange over the territory of Geyropa, there is no doubt about it!
  23. +19
    1 August 2014 10: 01
    What is interesting Lavrov pressed Kerry ... Intrigue however.
    The launch of ballistic missiles looks more like a test of our air defense, they decided to apparently test our reaction, but something again did not grow together with them, like with a Boeing.
    Intrigue however ...
  24. 0
    1 August 2014 10: 16
    One thing is interesting! Why we did not blow the whole world about it! And where is our global missile launch system? Over the Mediterranean Sea they spotted but not at hand! Thanks CNN! The truth will come up!
    1. +3
      1 August 2014 15: 22
      Quote: Eugene 1475
      One thing is interesting! Why we did not blow the whole world about it!

      Learning from Israel.
  25. +2
    1 August 2014 10: 18
    Quote: Aeneas
    Apparently, Saur Mogila was fired on by the Point, for eyewitnesses reported about a "sea of ​​fire" at this fortified height. Well, for such purposes, the Point was created, and when the Ukrainians faced a dilemma - to lose dozens and hundreds of soldiers killed or to use the Point, they chose the latter.


    I understand you perfectly. What can you say if Russia faces a dilemma - to lose tens and hundreds of the population of New Russia or to supply them with a Point and Russia will choose the latter? And such a dilemma is already facing Russia.
    1. -13
      1 August 2014 12: 38
      I’ll tell you that there is such a possibility ... Russia has already delivered a lot of things to the militias. To walk, so to walk!
      1. +8
        1 August 2014 19: 03
        Quote: Aeneas
        Russia has already delivered a lot of things to the militias. To walk, so to walk!

        Sorry for getting into your dialogue, but you're wrong. If Russia helped the militias in earnest, where do you think Poroshenko would be now with his pack? Correctly they would have already read the sentence for committing crimes. What do you think, given that there are now hundreds of thousands of refugees from Ukraine in Russia, plus those who have been working in Russia for several years, could it form several regiments or divisions, arm, appoint commanders and send them home (note that these are citizens of Ukraine and have every right to be on its territory), so that there would be another government in Ukraine now? And you "walk like that," if Russia helped the militias in real, then Ukrainian Nazis, fascists of all stripes, would have cleaned toilets all over Europe long ago.
        1. -3
          2 August 2014 00: 21
          Quote: Jura
          If Russia helped the militias seriously

          Well, in general, they help unofficially .. so the amount of help is unknown. Maybe it's big. Since it includes both "people's" (voluntary non-lethal-financial) assistance and state (lethal + financial + informational + political) assistance.
          It is strange that all Russians for a long time no longer understand that there were not many Natsiks, and quite a few folded their heads ... And those who stayed settled in warm places.
          And ordinary Ukrainians are fighting. Not Natsik not fascists-ordinary guys protecting ter. the integrity of Ukraine under the Constitution ...
          But for you there is no difference ... there are friends and strangers .. And for me, for example, all are ours ... but there are no strangers ... and I consider the losses common .. because these are all the losses of Ukraine ..
          1. +6
            2 August 2014 03: 16
            You are a crystal-naive person. What kind of territorial integrity do they defend? Rather, grandmothers are protecting the oligarchs. Yes, they go to the SE to defend the "integrity", but they quickly see the light and dream of a quick escape or surrender. But with this problem - the Nazis are behind. And there are still a lot of Natsiks, they don't attack. If you take off your peepers ... I'm afraid your crystal naivety will grow dim, you will have to get used to a new life. recourse
          2. 0
            3 August 2014 01: 26
            And ordinary Ukrainians are at war.
            They fight because they scare them with criminal liability, and at the first opportunity they are happy to run home. And it is not ordinary Ukrainians who are fighting at all, but inveterate mercenaries from different "friendly" countries.
  26. +1
    1 August 2014 10: 20
    Ukraine is in a hurry; it needs to drag Russia into the war by any means. And we need to hold out and not succumb to provocation.
    Everything will change soon.
    Tutto andra bene. Ho imparato.
  27. -1
    1 August 2014 10: 23
    Reconnaissance in battle: how will Russia react to this?
  28. kristt
    -25
    1 August 2014 10: 33
    I would never have thought that I would become a lesbian in civilized countries, but apparently our Russia does not belong to such. Otherwise, I don’t understand how it is - how I could have been in the public domain on the Internet. I don’t know who did it, give it no matter, the fact remains. Well, it's just crazy to go, according to brief information about a person, you can find a complete dossier on him .. I was burned with giblets. Glory to Ukraine
  29. -1
    1 August 2014 10: 34
    Yes, an interesting version and quite believable. For amers, it’s obvious that the war is dragging on and something needs to be done about it. If the shelling of Russian territory does not help, then you need to launch something more serious ...
    A win-win strategy, if ours enters after this, isolation from Europe will apparently take place. And for America, this is a good profit.
    If ours do not enter, then the president’s rating will drop sharply, in general, deservedly. And it is no longer a fact that after such humiliations of the whole country Putin will be able to win the next election.
    And the fact that Ukraine will be razed to the ground, well, what can you do, is a small cost .. They will fight until the last Ukrainian, and they will also earn some money on the supply of weapons.
    1. 0
      1 August 2014 14: 24
      Quote: serrrrgo
      If ours do not enter, then the president’s rating will drop sharply, in general, deservedly. And it is no longer a fact that after such humiliations of the whole country Putin will be able to win the next election.

      Perhaps this is the main goal of amers. They hardly expect to arrange the Maidan for objective reasons. But to discredit the GDP in this way and drop its rating below the baseboard is quite possible!
      1. +3
        1 August 2014 16: 00
        Quote: sergkar
        Quote: serrrrgo
        If ours do not enter, then the president’s rating will drop sharply, in general, deservedly. And it is no longer a fact that after such humiliations of the whole country Putin will be able to win the next election.

        Perhaps this is the main goal of amers. They hardly expect to arrange the Maidan for objective reasons. But to discredit the GDP in this way and drop its rating below the baseboard is quite possible!


        Do not console yourself with the illusions that Putin’s rating cannot be dropped by the drain of New Russia, two reasons. 1. Absolute trust, if Putin jumps into the sea, the rest will jump too.
        2. The outskirts are doomed. The West will not shed blood for it; everything else will be feisty for eggs. The outskirts inadequately perceived and perceives reality, the longer hysteria is against Russia, the less chance it has of maintaining statehood. Without a military invasion, Russia will arrange for dill all Egyptian executions.
  30. +3
    1 August 2014 10: 38
    Quote: APS
    Such a rocket flies for a maximum of two minutes. It is unlikely that we would bring them down and the question is whether we can or not - we can, only there is not enough time for a decision. Rather, we were notified that it would be soon, so that we would already know what to do when such missiles fly out. And then if we knock them down, this is a war, if we do not knock them down, then Russia saw and made these sacrifices ...

    I agree that in Cap Yar they somehow conducted joint exercises with air defense personnel, so they could not shoot down even knowing the launch point, time and trajectory of the missile (the warhead is naturally inert - "blank").
    1. +2
      1 August 2014 18: 29
      Quote: PRepod RViA
      Such a rocket flies for a maximum of two minutes. It is unlikely that we would knock them down and the question is whether we can or not - we can, only there is not enough time to make a decision. Rather, we were notified that it would be soon, so that we would already know what to do when such missiles fly out. And then if we shoot them down, this is a war, if we do not shoot them down, then Russia saw and allowed these victims ... I agree, in Cap Yar they somehow conducted joint exercises with air defense personnel, so they even know the launch point, time and trajectory of the missile (warhead of course inert - "blank") could not bring down.

      I don’t agree. It could well bring down. This is evidenced by silence about launches in Moscow and the militia.
      And technically, this is real. First, ours drove a lot of interesting things to the border. Secondly, the ballistic missile launch tracking system operates in automatic mode, and an alarm is triggered a second after launch. And then everything depends on the time of decision-making. And if everything is negotiated and debugged, then after a few seconds the anti-missile is already in the air, and if you take into account that the courses are counter, then there is nothing impossible, the same Armor knock down such targets 10 out of 10.
  31. +9
    1 August 2014 10: 45
    Quote: Evgeniy-111
    Reconnaissance in battle: how will Russia react to this?


    I think that Ukraine does not give a damn about the reaction of Russia - the West will support it. Russia did not supply the militias with 152 mm artillery systems, they are unlikely to be supplied when the OSCE inspects the border. We fought for Spain, we fought for Korea, we fought for Vietnam, we fought in Africa, how many weapons were presented to foreign nations, and here we are afraid of our people to provide full assistance!
    1. +2
      1 August 2014 10: 59
      Quote: Waterfowl
      and here we are afraid to render full help to our people!

      And so it has always been, just their own, the authorities in Russia are afraid ...
      Yes, and betray their people, they are not the first time ...
      1. +1
        3 August 2014 01: 30
        I think this is not the case.
  32. +3
    1 August 2014 10: 57
    Heh! Now I will download the maps of combat operations, and arrange an analysis of the possibilities of using "Tochki-u" from the territory of dill and the potential for shooting down a launched missile by the Russian air defense. :)
  33. djtyysq
    +4
    1 August 2014 11: 01
    Quote: kostik1301
    The question is, and our general track these launches ....


    What do you think? After all, not one has Grounded!
  34. +7
    1 August 2014 11: 13
    maybe everything is much simpler, and according to an already established tradition, Ukrainian missiles again flew to the wrong place? And it was from this that the Americans were speechless?
  35. +1
    1 August 2014 11: 25
    Something I did not understand about - control and adjustment of the rocket on the trajectory. It’s ballistic, it seems, and after the launch it already .... flew away.
    Surely someone knows, enlighten.
    Or is there a type of guided missiles (ammunition) to the "U-point"?
    1. +2
      1 August 2014 13: 46
      Quote: 2sila
      . It’s ballistic, it seems, and after the launch it already .... flew away.

      The point, especially the Point-U, is not the Moon (they reminded me of it recently), here it is, indeed in the primitive sense, shot and forgot !
      Quote: 2sila
      someone knows

      Vicki knows everything!
      But not one she is alive _
      Tactical missile system 9K79-1 Tochka-U
      http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/tochka/tochka.shtml
      Onboard equipment of the 9B63 missile control system 9M79:
      gyro command instrument 9B64
      discrete analog computing device 9B65
      hydraulic actuator 9B616:
      automation unit 9B66
      feed hydraulic unit 6B67
      steering gear upper 9B68 - 2 pcs., steering gear lower 9B69 - 2 pcs.,
      turbogenerator power supply 9B149:
      control unit 9B150
      resistance block 9B151
      gas turbine unit 9B152
      block of regulators 9B242
      sensor of angular velocities and accelerations DUSU1-30V
      cable set
      Onboard equipment of the control system 9B84-1 of the rocket 9M79-1:
      gyro command instrument 9B64-1
      discrete analog computing device 9B638
      hydraulic actuator 9B640:
      automation unit 9B66-1
      feed hydraulic unit 6B639
      steering gear 9B89 - 4 pcs.
      turbogenerator power supply 9B185:
      control unit 9B150-1
      resistance block 9B189
      gas turbine unit 9B186
      block of regulators 9B242-1
      sensor of angular velocities and accelerations DUSU1-30V
      cable set
      The missile is equipped with the following types of warheads:
      AA-60 - nuclear power from 10 to 100kt,
      AA-86 - nuclear of special importance,
      AA-92 - nuclear
      9N123F - high-explosive fragmentation of concentrated action (see description),
      9N123K - cassette (see description),
      9N123F-R - high-explosive fragmentation with passive radar seeker.

      hi
  36. -1
    1 August 2014 11: 38
    Quote: kostik1301
    The question is, and our general track these launches ....

    Yes, tracked. And even kind of shot down. Militias were at the site of the fall of rockets. Missiles were shot down in uninhabited places.
  37. +1
    1 August 2014 11: 56
    Here I thought:
    In America, they want to blame Obama for some power. Why do I think so?
    Yes, I just compared something and this is what happened:
    1) A statement by military punishers that no rocket takes off without agreement with Fashington (I do not remember literally but a little like that)
    2) In fact, PARASHAENKO with this statement transferred all responsibility to Obamych
    3) in Washington, a law was passed by which you can judge Obamych for exceeding his authority in the health system
    4) According to some reports, the authorized representative of PARASHAenko is already in Phasington in talks with myr Clinton (which is not known by itself)

    So if all this is built into a logical chain, it turns out that while America or one of its leaders is fighting until the last Ukrainian, then others are digging a hole for Obamych.
    1. +2
      1 August 2014 15: 54
      Mom dear! Again LITTLE things have accumulated in my pockets! Again pulls pants - to fall, and ObMama - from power to abyss. Baboon missed all the "American ideals". What does not say - it's not that. He does not live with his wife (example - negative), does not spend the night at home - he steals matches, more and more resembles "PIDAGOG". In America - did not grow. Not washed (look what, dirty, black, not washed). He does not distinguish a club from a rocket. The Benny Hill Show is confused with the presidential speech. Wet in bed when he dreams of snow-covered Siberia and unshaven men screaming: - Votka, sailor girl, bolola ...!
      Soon, another Ameru condom - will become less. True, not by his death ... But all one less. He was tired of everyone, well, simply can not. Farewell, partner Obama! We will outlive you!
  38. +6
    1 August 2014 12: 24
    We need an ABSOLUTE blockade of Bandera, only a pipe (and even before the launch of the southern stream) and no embassies either. stupidly barbed wire and not a single transition. let them die in their excrement. Of course, after the rejection of New Russia.
    1. 0
      2 August 2014 00: 25
      Quote: Rigla
      We need the ABSOLUTE blockade of Ukraine, only the pipe (and even before the launch of the southern stream) and no embassies either. stupidly barbed wire and not a single transition. let them die in their excrement. Of course, after the rejection of New Russia.

      How do you imagine that? A huge square in the center of Europe on transit routes ... How is the blockade? If along the border with the Russian Federation, then the blockade is small ..
      Today I saw a Moscow train (Odessa-Moscow), it is regular. There is still St. Petersburg through Belarus ... and you all dream of blockades ...
      the word is rejection ...
      1. +1
        2 August 2014 14: 11
        Quote: Cristall
        Today I saw a Moscow train (Odessa-Moscow), it is regular. There is still St. Petersburg through Belarus ... and you all dream of blockades ...

        We ?
        1. -1
          3 August 2014 13: 46
          This verse appeared online March 19, i.e. more than 4 months ago, then this scum (I can’t call it another way) was sure of its righteousness and victory, and because of people like it they were burnt ODESSA in the house of trade unions, but what will she say now or a little later? Although she already has nothing and no one can prove something - the missing generation ... EH !!!
          1. 0
            3 August 2014 17: 23
            Quote: cap54
            This verse appeared online March 19,

            I remember I found the link without any problems.
            Quote: cap54
            Although she’s already nothing and no one will be able to prove something

            It can be ENLIGHTENMENT _ Is it alive?
          2. -1
            4 August 2014 15: 44
            We will never stole
            Neither fascists nor morons.

            No matter how much you fart at Russia,
            We will never be stolen.

            Unfortunately this is not mine
            1. 0
              4 August 2014 17: 58
              Quote: cap54
              We will never stole
              Neither fascists nor morons.

              This is much smarter done, but if you match _


              So I want to ask _
              After all, if we are like you say, why does Ukraine still exist?
              Almighty why are you punishing Ukraine
  39. +7
    1 August 2014 12: 39
    Quote: ele1285
    January 2016
    Snow. Lot. Handsomely. Help from Europe was dropped from a helicopter. They threw stones at him for a long time. They wanted to bring down. Still, the helicopter is kerosene. Eeeh! We would have at least one quilted jacket. They knew how. But they bent there, probably all. Who will help them. Not like us Europeans. They made their way through the deep snow to the place of discharge. Snow on the balls. Skis have long turned into heat joules. The flags of Ukraine and the European Union, birth control pills and flea powder turned out to be in the buzzards. They understood the hint. Still, Europe is waiting for us. Glory to Ukraine!

    February 2016
    All tablets were gobbled up. Calorie content is close to zero. Efficiency and not required. There is still no force for intercourse. Taste better than flea powder. At the general meeting, they decided to go to the Maidan. I'm tired of all. Only to find like-minded people. Glory to Ukraine!

    March 2016
    Come out. On the fifth day of the road, a crowd met a man in two hundred. By tradition, they shouted “Glory to Ukraine!” And gave each other the stars. Then we went together to Kiev. We walk around the NATO bases. They shoot from there and do not want to feed. We get to the place. Let's arrange a revolution. Glory to Ukraine!

    April 2016
    Got it. There are a lot of us. Three hundred and three hundred. All that remains of the country. But we are power! Now hit the tires. Geta Gang! Glory to Ukraine!

    May 2016
    Well, you already understand .... We broke the stars. Discarded for the Dnieper. The revolution failed. We stand on the border of the DPR. Hey! Padded jackets. Sorry - the Slav brothers, I wanted to say. Is there anything to eat? We are one country. What Europe ... Russia! Russia! Happy Victory Day! World! Work! May! Putin ... lololo! ... Oh !. Burst out. So will we come in? Who remembers the old, that .... Glory to Ukraine!
    1. +4
      1 August 2014 20: 14
      There it is ... Maidan.
      Shaw, again?
      No, burned!
      Aah, _
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    4. +1
      3 August 2014 13: 36
      [quote = kot28.ru] [quote = ele1285] January 2016 ... February 2016 ... March 2016 ... etc. / quote]
      Well done! I bet a plus for a cool "fairy tale"!
  40. zzz
    zzz
    +5
    1 August 2014 12: 41
    How do you want New Russia to win and flourish, like the Crimea! And let Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye look at it ... and envy in their concentration camp ..
    1. +2
      1 August 2014 19: 19
      Quote: zzz
      How do you want New Russia to win and flourish, like the Crimea!

      A financial pull?
      1. -1
        2 August 2014 20: 18
        If we punish the punishers from all of Ukropia (after the victory!) And place them in concentration camps that they did not think to build for themselves, we will pull. Cheap, well, very cheap, labor will restore cities, communications, and infrastructure. German prisoners of war restored our cities after the Second World War. Their followers should have the same end! Although some people from New Russia, as I think, will be disgusted to live in houses built by punitive and Natsik.
        I’ll imagine that Savik Schuster in a quilted jacket kneads concrete in severe frost, immediately laughter parses! laughing
  41. tokin1959
    -17
    1 August 2014 12: 47
    It is necessary to form the basis of guerrilla warfare in the regions bordering the Russian Federation - Tymchuk



    http://uainfo.org/yandex/366848-neobhodimo-formirovat-bazu-partizanskoy-voyny-v-
    prigranichnyh-s-rf-rayonah-tymchuk.html

    and what is Russia waiting for?
    and will Voldemar continue to play silence?
    1. Vovan - prison
      +14
      1 August 2014 13: 29
      And who did you call Voldemar ?! If our PRESIDENT is he for you, VLADIMIR PUTIN !!! How did you understand the nice man ?!
      1. 0
        3 August 2014 15: 46
        Do not worry. This is not a tavern. MILES MAN.
  42. +3
    1 August 2014 13: 04
    Quote: zzz
    How do you want New Russia to win and flourish, like the Crimea! And let Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye look at it ... and envy in their concentration camp ..
    Then you need to urgently arrange a sale of the "summer collection" in the military store.
  43. Vovan - prison
    0
    1 August 2014 13: 27
    Not ..., juntics are obviously torn to badalovo !!! If we start ..., RUSSIA !!! then we’ll stop not in the geyrope as last time, but in the center of the United States.
  44. +2
    1 August 2014 13: 31
    God knows Russia does not want war. But it is necessary that America and the entire "world community" clearly understand for themselves that no one will be able to sit out. If you don’t want to be friends, don’t be friends, but throwing rockets is the edge .. I wonder if someone will sober up a ground test of a hydrogen bomb on Novaya Zemlya with a live broadcast to the whole world? ..
  45. +5
    1 August 2014 13: 34
    Please note that these missiles are guided throughout their flight. That is, if even in the initial section of the trajectory the missiles do not fly to us, there is no guarantee that the chief of the calculation of the Tochka-U tactical missile system will not correct the trajectory so that the missile hits, say, a Russian border post or a neighboring Russian farm.

    Obvious stupidity! Yes, the 9M79 missile is controlled along the entire trajectory, but autonomously, i.e. the control system compensates for interference (wind, rotation of the earth, etc.) along the way to the target. After launch, the operator cannot control the rocket. The control system on it is inertial-command, it is based on a gyrostabilized platform with gyro blocks of pitch, yaw and rotation, as well as an integrating range device.
    Conclusion: If you do not know, do not make stupid conclusions, you will seem smarter, and so the minus to the author.
  46. Vladimir I
    +2
    1 August 2014 13: 35
    Complete nonsense.
  47. 0
    1 August 2014 13: 38
    I wonder if we, under the treaty on the reduction of medium-range missiles, cut our "points" and it seems like "moons", but they stayed with us?
    1. 0
      1 August 2014 14: 15
      Quote: Komsomolec80
      I wonder if we, under the treaty on the reduction of medium-range missiles, cut our "points" and it seems like "moons", but they stayed with us?

      Point, this is short-range OTR.
      Do not fall under the contract. All our Points are intact.
  48. Nina Zima
    +3
    1 August 2014 14: 16
    01.08.2014/10/09 XNUMX:XNUMX (Moscow time) Morning report from the militia Prokhorov

    Today, at about 6 a.m., Ukrainians tried to bomb the militia checkpoint in the village of. Davidovka (near Shakhtar) - they missed, but the gas station located nearby suffered.

    But the most interesting thing was at night - 21 ukrookaratel was beaten by the City, the word dill:
    The militias "fired at the paratroopers of the military unit A1126 from the 25th separate Dnepropetrovsk airborne brigade in the city of Shakhtersk, Donetsk region, from Grad multiple launch rocket systems," Public TV sources reported on the night of August 1, citing volunteers who help This brigade, as well as the military themselves. Reportedly, 21 soldiers died. In particular, the commander of the 2nd battalion. There are a lot of wounded, it is difficult to name the exact number. Now they are transported by helicopters to Dnepropetrovsk. "

    At night, Ukrainians tried to capture Yasinovataya, but were driven out of there.

    There are many problems in reality, but little by little, step by step, they are being solved. It will be long, bloody, with many relapses. But already in the minds of the militias and the peaceful population, a certain turning point has been outlined - the militia beats ukrov, not only makes forays to checkpoints, but puts large military units to flight, can successfully defend against a significant group, the retreat syndrome is gradually being overcome. "
  49. +1
    1 August 2014 15: 03
    The silence of the Russian leadership is alarming. But for now, I will refrain from any comments about this. The stakes are too high in this situation.

    But not surprising already!
  50. -16
    1 August 2014 15: 55
    Russia is now behaving not as a great power, but as a regional one and not the first even in the region, fully confirming Barack Obama's statement about Russia. And even if the "dot" rocket falls on a Russian settlement, he is ready to bet that "today's" Putin will not declare any war ... They still cannot believe their happiness and the magnitude of our fall ... When they fully understand our shame will reach space scale ...
    1. leglun
      +1
      2 August 2014 18: 11
      Here you are, while the corporal is silent
      1. +1
        2 August 2014 20: 25
        No, let him say, to know a lot of opinions - it’s good to eat! We all were once corporal. Maybe with an increase in the rank of the mind will increase, the process is natural.
    2. kelevra
      0
      3 August 2014 15: 18
      You’re comrade alarmist, I’m watching and you can’t think objectively! So don’t drive a wave at those and where you’re not strong!
    3. 0
      3 August 2014 19: 18
      Buddy, go to the psychiatrist
    4. +1
      3 August 2014 19: 50
      You really don't have to compare us with a banana republic under American "tutelage" (like U ... Krajina). When necessary, they will launch missiles, special forces of the Airborne Forces and the Airborne Forces itself, and then other types of troops. In the meantime, carefully analyze the cosmic failure of the US-European provocation in Ukraine, including the Boeing. I would like to remind you of a good folk proverb "Russians harness for a long time, but drive fast."
  51. +1
    1 August 2014 15: 56
    In short, if the CNN message is true, and this is most likely true, then Russia and Ukraine, on the fault of President Poroshenko and his overseas owners, were on the verge of war yesterday. Since the complete destruction of its settlement with hundreds, if not thousands of victims, Russia could only respond with a declaration of war, reciprocal missile and bombing attacks and an invasion of enemy territory with the aim of destroying the overreacted aggressor.

    Скорей всего предупредили бы о недопустимости подобных провокаций.
  52. +3
    1 August 2014 16: 01
    Вся честь России сейчас воюет в Донбассе и поддерживает как может ополчение, а эти, что крутят и выкруживают чести не имеют и это уже видно всем у кого она есть!
  53. +3
    1 August 2014 16: 10
    Киев сейчас затеял очень опасную игру: если инцидент со сбитым малайзийским "Боингом" может быть спущен на тормозах при полном прикрытии со стороны США, то использование комплекса "Точка У" может действительно последним гвоздем в гроб Украины. России просто не останется ничего, кроме нанесения ответного удара, чтобы прекратить эту вакханалию.... Кроме этого, следует взять на вооружение опыт Израиля в отношении ХАМАСа, когда на любой выстрел в сторону израильской территории немедленно следует ответный удар... США и НАТО просто не рискнуть открыто выступить в конфликт с Россией, потому что развязывание полномасштабной мировой с возможностью применения ядерного оружия, явно не вдохновляет западных союзников Киева.....
  54. +1
    1 August 2014 16: 16
    Да бог с ними. Хотят значит получат. Видно невооруженным взглядом-нарываются они . Это типа мальчик с пальчик- подходит к мужикам-" Дядь а сигареты не найдется"???? Ну те его посылают , тут вся братия, что за углом стояла и вываливается.. Украина-это аналогично " Дядь дай сигаретку"........
  55. +4
    1 August 2014 16: 21
    Ну вот и мое видение мира. ))
    На первом рисунке отображена карта боевых действий взятая с сайта http://mediarnbo.org/ и дополнена моими пометками.
    Второй рисунок - карта боевых действий по версии портала novorossia.su На картинке так же имеются мои дополнения.
    А теперь о главном. Вопрос первый - Мог ли быть нанесен Украиной удар ТРК "Точка (Точка-У)" и по каким объектам? Вопрос второй - Могла ли Россия своевременно узнать о таком ударе и произвести попытку сбить данные ракеты? И вопрос третий - Для чего Украине применять тактические ракетные комплексы в конфликте на Юго-востоке?
    Начать нужно с третьего вопроса. Виду крайне неблагоприятного развития событий (за 3 месяца удалось взять лишь пару городов и некоторое количество других населенных пунктов, причем ополчению принесен минимальный ущерб) Украинский генштаб мог инициировать применение ТРК для выполнения следующих задач:
    - Решение вопроса с Саур-Могилой;
    - Деблокирование Изваринского котла;
    - Блокирование Луганска и его изоляция от Донецка;
    - Удар по линии Дебальцево-Шахтерск или Дебальцево-Торез с целью рассечения Новороссии надвое;
    - Удар по месту катастрофы Боинга МН-17 с попыткой сделать расследование катастрофы невозможным.
    Кроме перечисленных есть еще множество причин применения, но они менее актуальны.
    А теперь вернемся к вопросу №1. Украина могла применить тактические ракетные комплексы "Точка и Точка-У". Для этого у нее есть все необходимое. На вооружении Украины до недавнего времени находилось 12 пусковых установок ТРК 9К79. Кроме этого имеется еще 78 ПУ на консервации (источник: http://nstarikov.ru/club/37253). Последний НЕУДАЧНЫЙ опыт применения данных ракет тоже имеется, это поражение 20.04.2000 г. инертной (учебной) БЧ жилого дома в г. Бровары.
    Ну а теперь вопрос №2.
    Ни для кого не будет являться секретом, что вооруженные силы Российской Федерации имеют у своих границ комплексы ПВО различного рода. Самым распространенным на настоящее время является комплекс С-300ПМУ1 которые проходят плановую модернизацию. Данные о параметрах С-300ПМУ1 можно найти здесь: (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1-300#.D0.9D.D0.B0_.D0.B2.D0.BE.D0.BE.D1.80.D
    1.83.D0.B6.D0.B5.D0.BD.D0.B8.D0.B8).
    Несомненно, с началом конфликта на Юго-Востоке Украины все части ПВО России на данном участке приведены в повышенную готовность, что выражается в усилении наблюдения за воздушным пространством ДНР, ЛНР и территорий к ним прилегающих. Соответственно, все изменения такой обстановки сразу же фиксируются. Кстати! Это косвенно подтверждается той оперативностью с которой Российской стороной были предъявлены доказательства вины ВС Украины в сбитии пассажирского Боинга Малазийской авиакомпании.
    Наиболее желательным было бы размещение двух-трех дивизионов на небольшом удалении от границы. В этом случае целесообразно их размещение в районах н.п. Миллерово и Матеев Курган (рисунок 1). Однако! Скрыть такое количество военной техники было бы достаточно проблематично. Особенно ввиду наличия степного ландшафта. Поэтому войска ПВО Российской федерации ограничились бы размещением одного дивизиона ЗРК С-300МПУ1/2 в районе поселков Куйбышево или Лысогорка. Выбранные места позволяют накрывать радиолокационным полем большую часть Донецкой и Луганской народных республик и держать под прикрытием непосредственно Донецк и Луганск.
  56. +8
    1 August 2014 16: 21
    Теперь взглянем на обстановку глазами Украинских военных и попробуем представить наиболее вероятные места ударов «Точками». В первую очередь такие удары могли быть направлены в сторону п. Мариновка по Саур-Могиле. Данный удар позволил бы перевесить чашу весов в сторону ВСУ и разблокировать военных у Российской границы. Второй вариант удара мог быть выполнен по району населенного пункта Георгиевка с целью блокирования сил ополчения в Луганске и для обеспечения проводки подкрепления к Луганскому аэропорту и дальнейшего развертывания действий с этой территории. И третий вариант, это удар в направлении Первомайска и блокирование дороги на Лисичанск.
    Откуда могли быть нанесены такие удары? При осуществлении атаки в районе Саур-Могилы наиболее предпочтительным было бы размещение ТРК «Точка (Точка-У)» в районе села Старобешево. Данная территория является относительно безопасной для перемещений ВСУ и находится в доступности стрельбы даже старыми ТРК «Точка» (дальность стрельбы до 70км.). Однако в этом случае возникает гипотетическая опасность подвергнутся нападению со стороны спецподразделений ВС РФ… до границ с Россией не более 40 километров, один хороший марш-бросок. Наилучшей была бы позиция недалеко от населенного пункта Нетайлово что на дороге Донецк-Красноармейск. Только в таком случае стрельбу пришлось бы вести комплексами «Точка-У». Дальность их стрельбы составляет 120км. До поселка Мариновка в таком случае – около 100 километров.
    Второе место дислокации, для нанесения ударов в районе Георгиевки, могло быть выбрано у населенного пункта Славяносербск (на рисунке 1, выше). Это тоже достаточно «спокойный» с точки зрения перемещений район и можно без особых заморочек приехать, развернуться, нанести удар, собраться и удрать. От сюда же можно при желании ударить и по КПП «Изварино» объясняя потом все это «трагической случайностью».
    Третий удар, по Первомайску мог бы осуществляться из границ города Артемовска. Не исключается и возможность нанесения ракетного удара по Дебальцево и месту падения Малазийского боинга.
    Но с какой бы точки не осуществлялся обстрел «Точками» (уж простите за каламбур), однако любой такой пуск мог быть отслежен станциями 64Н6 и 96Л6Е РЛС С-300ПМУ1 с самого момента старта. Если приказ на поражение баллистических целей войскам ПВО давался с начала конфликта, то уже через 13-17 секунд после старта С-300 осуществил бы пуск ракеты по тактической ракете 9Н123 комплекса «Точка(-У)». Учитывая скорости и траектории полета ракет поражение ракеты «Точки» должно было произойти на половине (либо 2/3) ее полета на дальность 70 км.
    Ну а если Украинские военные не совсем , то скорее всего они осуществляли бы пуски ракет не подходя ближе 30-40 километров к линиям непосредственного боестолкновения, опасаясь встречного артиллерийского удара, либо засады диверсионной группы. Следовательно, после поражения ракеты 9Н123 комплекса «Точка(-У)» ее обломки падали бы в зоне боев.
    Видимо этим фактом и объясняется молчание Российского генштаба по вопросу применения 9К79, так как по факту цель уничтожена на территории сопредельного государства, а физических фактов подтверждающих пуски Украинской стороной тактических ракет – нет. Подумайте, кому захочется искать какие-то там обломки какой-то ракеты в то время, когда все вокруг стреляют и убивают друг друга!?
    ПиЭс: на рисунке красными, бордовыми и белой линиями показаны возможные направления ударов ТРК «Точка(-У)». Серые круги – радиус поражения целей комплексами С-300ПМУ1 из районов Куйбышево и Миллерово. Черный круг – радиус поражения комплексом ЗРК из района деревни Лысогорка.
    Все вышеописанное является лишь домыслами автора комментария и правы они или нет, покажет время.
    1. 0
      3 August 2014 02: 36
      Well written. hi
      1. 0
        4 August 2014 15: 13
        Thank you! feel
  57. +3
    1 August 2014 17: 09
    Quote: ele1285
    И В.В.Путин вдруг говорит: "А теперь слово предоставляется губернатору Аляски товарищу Обаме"...

    Какой губернатор?!... в лучшем случае "начальник транспортного отдела"! winked
  58. +1
    1 August 2014 18: 32
    А где фотки сбитой ракеты? Ни одной. Разговоры есть, а фоток, несмотря на наличие смартфонов у ополченцев - нет. Я ещё понимаю, почему от укров не дождаться этих фоток, но ополченцы-то должны были на весь интернет раструбить? Но - тишина. "Боинг" сбили - куча снимков сразу, а сейчас - тихо...
    Возникает вопрос: "А был ли мальчик?" В смысле - запуск?
    1. 0
      1 August 2014 19: 05
      Quote: Bugor
      А где фотки сбитой ракеты?

      Были , следите за информацией выкладываемой на ВО .
      НАТО подтвердила, что украинская армия применяла баллистические ракеты малой дальности против ополченцев на востоке страны, сообщает представитель пресс-службы организации.
      Он не привел подробностей, ответив лишь, что «информация основана на данных разведки США». При этом Пентагон пока не прокомментировал сообщения.

      More
      http://www.rg.ru/2014/08/01/tochka.html
  59. +2
    1 August 2014 18: 32
    Интересно, что все же будет, если украинцы шарахнут "точкой" по нашей территории, и еще не дай-Бог погибнут мирные жители, или наши военные. Очередная нота протеста?
    1. -2
      2 August 2014 17: 49
      Quote: Megatron
      Интересно, что все же будет, если украинцы шарахнут "точкой" по нашей территории

      Угу , да ещё с ядерной БЧ , ну забыли сдать .
      Извините , но пословицу помните об одном умном и сотне мудрецов ?
      Или напомнить ?
      1. 0
        3 August 2014 11: 06
        Quote: Cynic
        Или напомнить ?

        -1 , вот видите помните , так зачем ему уподобляетесь ?
  60. +2
    1 August 2014 18: 58
    Ну CNN и НАТО признали, уже что то, но осуждения я не увидел, один хрен, одного поля ягоды... am
  61. +2
    1 August 2014 19: 09
    Господин Прохватилов, как понимать ваши перлы - " Если российские системы ПВО засекли пуск украинских баллистических ракет малой дальности, которые могут нести и ядерные боеголовки, причем вблизи территории России, то реакция может быть только одна — немедленно сбить. " Украина не имеет ядерного оружия! Или шо - УЖЕ СКЛЁПАЛИ ???
  62. 0
    1 August 2014 19: 10
    Интересно, а как это может быть? Если взлетели - то должны и упасть. Учитывая грузоподьемность в 475 кг - как можно не знать - куда?
  63. Ivan 63
    +5
    1 August 2014 19: 16
    "Разговор по существу" немедленно уничтожать ВСЕХ хохлядских ублдюдков и в первую очередь из Киева причем безусловно и на 100.
  64. +5
    1 August 2014 20: 36
    На все вопросы, поставленные в конце статьи относительно нашего молчания, ответ один - да на 100% ракеты были сбиты нашей ПВО. Мы по-прежнему не хотим воевать с Украиной. И это верное решение руководства страны.
    1. +1
      1 August 2014 20: 53
      Quote: sokrat7
      one answer

      Скорее всего , как и в Сирии , сейчас весь западный ажиотаж пойдёт вниз .
  65. 0
    1 August 2014 21: 11
    Я так понял, что по сообщениям укрских сми, они эти точки - просто как панацею воспринимают, типа бабахнули, и все ополченцы умерли, а кто не успел - сдались.
  66. 0
    1 August 2014 21: 36
    Quote: military
    Quote: Alex_Popovson
    and the lamb must be in the zoo, put in a cage.

    this monkey is sick on the head ... for medical reasons, euthanasia is recommended ...

    С дальнейшей кремацией. am
  67. +2
    1 August 2014 21: 39
    Почитал всех! Сколько же люди бредятины пишут! Ну, не знаете, не пишите! Старая истина. Неужели ни одного ракетчика нет, чтобы реально рассказал, как там все работает на "Точке" и как она летает.
    Для начала, кто тут писал глупости, хочу сообщить, что "Точка У" стоит на вооружении российской армии и даже использовалась в конфликтах Чечне и Грузии. Ей умудрились стрельнуть, даже в Красноармейске, когда большая бандгруппа была окружена нашими войсками. Там работа была ювелирной. Было уничтожено с сотню боевиков и при этом в 50 метрах наши ребята не пострадали. Ракета, имея мощную боевую часть, реально накрывает площадь 150 метров шириной и 500 метров глубиной. Для города жертвы будут просто ужасными. Сотни, если не тысячи погибших.
    Теперь комплекс С-300. Стреляет на дальность до 300км. На такой дальности может уничтожить динамическую цель. А вот баллистическую цель только на дальности 40км. "Точка У" баллистическая.
    Кто-нибудь заглянул на карту, где позиции укров и наших? Хоть приблизительно. Все сидят на диванах и рассуждают лишь бы писать. Очень хотел бы прочитать профессиональный комментарий. Извиняюсь, кого обидел.
    1. 0
      2 August 2014 18: 08
      Quote: indifferent
      А вот баллистическую цель только на дальности 40км. "Точка У" баллистическая.

      Это Вы про ТТХ из Вики или реальные ?
      Quote: indifferent
      Очень хотел бы прочитать профессиональный комментарий.

      На мой взгляд принципиально не получится , у профи своя сфера интересов . Да и его комментарий поймём ли ?
      Yes _
      Quote: indifferent
      40km

      Как думаете от чего она зависит ? wink
      Если серьёзно , то вполне возможна и версия , высказанная на ВО , самоликвидация .
      Не марсианское оружие же , советское и разработчик российский .
      hi
    2. 0
      2 August 2014 20: 48
      Если все, что ты написал, правда, то выходит, что сработала системы самоликвидации ракет по радиосигналу из ВС РФ! Коды, наверняка, у наших есть, на заводе-изготовителе взять их нетрудно.
      1. 0
        3 August 2014 11: 15
        Quote: Starley from the South
        Если все, что ты написал, правда

        Повторил гипотезу уже высказанную ранее на ВО .
        Quote: Starley from the South
        выходит, что сработала системы самоликвидации ракет по радиосигналу из ВС РФ

        Ни Боже мой !
        Мы тут просто рядом живём !
        И вообще _
        Окончательно собранные ракеты в обычном (неядерном) снаряжении могут храниться в течение 10 лет.

        Так что по любому мы здесь ни причём !
        Quote: Starley from the South
        Коды, наверняка, у наших есть, на заводе-изготовителе взять их нетрудно.

        разработка Коломенского КБ машиностроения под руководством Сергея Павловича Непобедимого.
  68. 0
    1 August 2014 21: 44
    Quote: Trom
    Quote: ele1285
    И В.В.Путин вдруг говорит: "А теперь слово предоставляется губернатору Аляски товарищу Обаме"...

    Какой губернатор?!... в лучшем случае "начальник транспортного отдела"! winked

    Обезьяне место в клетке! am
  69. +2
    1 August 2014 22: 04
    С самого начала было странным молчание России по поводу сообщения о запуске баллистических ракет. Вместо того, чтобы разораться на весь мир(как делают обычно американцы и укропы) о том, что Украина атакует нашу территорию ракетами- у нас полная тишина. Опять сосредотачиваемся?
    1. +3
      1 August 2014 23: 08
      Озвучка может быть использована как скрытый, невыкладываемый козырь. Особенно, если есть реальные факты по боингу, которым мир более интересуется, ибо новые факты лишь сместят фокус. Собственно ну заявим, раз ничего не случилось = мировой реакции ноль.
      Эти предъявы можно кидать вскрытую на уровне послов США - пальнёте с жертвами. - Запустим подобное по СБУ в Киеве.
  70. +1
    1 August 2014 23: 15
    Обратите внимание на то, что эти ракеты являются управляемыми на всем протяжении их полета. То есть если даже на начальном участке траектории ракеты летят не к нам, то никакой гарантии, что начальник расчета тактического ракетного комплекса «Точка-У» не откорректирует траекторию с тем, чтобы ракета ударила, скажем, по российскому погранпункту или по соседнему российскому хутору, нет.

    Что за бред???Во время полёта ракета уже не корректируется с земли.Данные вводятся заранее!!!
  71. 0
    1 August 2014 23: 21
    Похоже хохлы хотят продемонстрировать "дяде сему" все чем владеют...
    Единственное, что демонстрировать не нужно. поскольку это и так очевидно, так это полное отсутствие разума/мозгов если хотите у самих хохлов. Дойдет ведь до того, что и атомное оружие применят.
    1. +1
      1 August 2014 23: 26
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      ойдет ведь до того, что и атомное оружие применят.

      Пятница в разгаре lol У них нет атомного оружия К счастью
  72. maxim1
    0
    1 August 2014 23: 25
    Абрама понимаент, что у ВВП после введения санкций и пуска ракет развязаны руки. Ничто его теперь не должно сдерживать.
    И Абрама Бардак боится и нервничает.
    А ВВП спокойно разминает пальцы и думает, приводя в ужас Абраму..
    Бойся, Абрамка, бойся.
  73. 0
    1 August 2014 23: 38
    В РАЗВИТИЕ ТЕМЫ вот такая новость

    Новороссия требует от Рады прекратить спецоперацию в течение суток
    Subject:
    Активная фаза спецоперации на Украине (1036)
    23: 0901.08.2014 (updated: 23: 19 01.08.2014) 1010212027
    It is specified that if the special operation does not stop in a day, all illegal armed groups will be declared terrorists and "appropriate measures will be taken against them."
    Украинские силовики на блокпосту. Архивное фото
    © AP Photo/ Efrem Lukatsky

    МОСКВА, 1 авг — РИА Новости. Парламент Союза народных республик потребовал от Верховной рады Украины в течение суток прекратить спецоперацию в Донецкой и Луганской областях, говорится в заявлении, опубликованном на сайте парламента.

    According to the statement, all armed formations located in the territory controlled by the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics and not related to them are outlawed.

    "The Parliament of the Union of People's Republics demands from the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine and personally each leader responsible for military operations on the territory of the Union of People's Republics to stop the armed invasion and immediately withdraw all illegal armed formations subordinate to them within XNUMX hours from the date of this statement," in the statement.

    It is specified that if the special operation does not stop in a day, all illegal armed groups will be declared terrorists and "appropriate measures will be taken against them."

    Всем военнослужащим Украины предложено принять присягу на верность Донецкой и Луганской народным республикам или составить рапорты об увольнении с воинской службы, сложить оружие и покинуть территорию проведения спецоперации.



    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20140801/1018508778.html#ixzz39Af3yaYm
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  75. -1
    2 August 2014 00: 38
    почитал все комментарии-отсек урапатриотов и просто росцензорнетчиков
    Выводы--
    1-непотвержденная информация(пресслужба НАТО). Официально Пентагон ничего не говорил. "Пресслужбу" легко организовать(это как ссылки на твитер или "испанский диспетчер в Киеве")
    Когда Пентагон скажет(и желательно не через 3 лицо)-тогда НАТО можно цитировать.
    2-Отсутвие доказательств сбития(молчание неуместно--в инфовойне тем более)
    3-Само "сбитие" если таковое имело место---это факт нанесения ракетного удара по Украине. Выгодно ли это сейчас РФ которая дистанцируется от любых попыток ее втянуть?
    4-пару комментарий с ТТХ и анализом С 300--убедительно свидетельствуют что сбить баллистическую цель было очнеь сложно и за короткое время.
    5-Военная необходимость использования Точки--могла быть оправдана только по Саур Могиле...никаких данных о пребывании там Точки не представлено....
    Да и по статье--формат статьи: "Украинцы запустили, мы героически сбили, Вашингтон в афиге--все всполошились, ситуацию не контролируют...победа..веселись храбрый РОс..
    Не стоит.... шапкозакидательство было причиной стольких жертв и поражений...
    1. +2
      2 August 2014 17: 11
      Quote: Cristall
      почитал все комментарии

      вроде аватарка женского пола, а пишет мужик.......дальше её выводы можно не читать.....смахивает левой кривизной...
  76. 0
    2 August 2014 01: 52
    Quote: ele1285
    With a cry of horror, Barack Obama wakes up in his bedroom at night ...
    “What happened, Lamb?” - the first lady asks in displeasure.
    - Yes, I had a nightmare ... Imagine, I dream that a meeting is taking place in Moscow ... And Vladimir Putin suddenly says: "And now the floor is given to the Governor of Alaska, Comrade Obama" ...
    - I'm not ready!

    "Баращка",хе-хе..."Борис Хусейнович Обамов" :)
  77. 0
    2 August 2014 06: 48
    1 августа ни кто не начнет войну с Россией. Это день тыловой службы наших(российских) ВС. А нач. складам -пленные не нужны.
  78. Dad Sasha
    0
    2 August 2014 07: 39
    А в СНБО Украины утверждают, что у Украины не осталось ни одной баллистической ракеты, поскольку последняя была уничтожена еще в 1996 году. Так кому верить, СНБО Украины или НАТО? Укропы и матрасники договориться уже не могут? А может и не было никакого заявления НАТО о запуске баллистических ракет? Странно всё это...
  79. +1
    2 August 2014 08: 38
    КЭМЕРОН ПРИЗВАЛ НАТО ПОДГОТОВИТЬСЯ К АГРЕССИИ СО СТОРОНЫ РОССИИ. -
    Опять яндекс открылся горячей новостью.Ну ,что ж это такое? Снова из нас монстров делают. Можно подумать это МЫ напали на Аргентину из-за островов. Мы жгли Ирак, Ливию,Боснию .Применили атомное оружие стерв к чертям 2 Японских города.Это мы имеем свои военные базы по всему миру вокруг империи(оси )добра : штаты-англия? Наш флот заходит во внутринние моря (озера) стран несущих свет и демократию на танковых пушках, самолетах с "гуманными" бомбами , спутниковыми группировками.Это у нас является доказательством, пробирка со стиральным порошком ,представленная в сов.безе ООН как наличие хим.оружия у неугодного нам режима.Это мы открываем фонды демократии по всему миру с целью сбора информации и создания устоичивой сети несогласных?
    Да. Нетоварищ Кэмерун ,тогда ты прав. Мы Империя зла. Ату нас ату. Только историю не забывайте.Русские долго запрягают , но быстро едут!
  80. +1
    2 August 2014 10: 03
    Quote: Giant thought
    And why do we need to fight with Ukraine, they themselves will bite each other in winter.
  81. macarque
    +1
    2 August 2014 12: 35
    Видит бог не понимаю какого шлема столько стонов о этих ракетах, ну вес боеголовки.. ну, и что? у обычной ФАБ вес и 500 и 1000 кг такие у хохолков есть. самолеты их доставить тоже есть. дело не в ракетах. дело в том что эти 3,14дорасы их на города кидают. ТВАРИ am
  82. -2
    2 August 2014 15: 18
    Ну вот, еще 9(!!!) снарядов на нашей территории.
    Снова очередная нота протеста?? (101-е китайское предупреждаение?)
    Тьфу, аж противно!!
  83. waggish
    -3
    2 August 2014 17: 35
    а местная публика думают по другому что ли??????????????????????????????????????? Мир что ли, а завтра опять совдепия 2.0.?????????????????????????????? Ну ну!
    1. 0
      2 August 2014 18: 23
      Quote: waggish
      а местная публика думают по другому что ли??????????????????????????????????????? Мир что ли, а завтра опять совдепия 2.0.?????????????????????????????? Ну ну!

      Страшно стало ?
      Да Вы так не беспокойтесь , как создали , так и упразднят . Кто кроме КНР заметит ?

      hi
  84. 0
    2 August 2014 17: 50
    Киевская хунта, в своё время заглотила штатовский крючок до самой опы, Только этим можно обьяснить их действия. Они ведь ведут себя как смертники, глаза зажмурив и будь что будет. Да хорошо их штаты подсадили не соскочить. Ну да сами этого добивались, мазохисты чёртовы. Надеюсь увидеть их на скамье подсудимых в Гааге. И вот нисколько не удивлюсь если главный обвинитель будет из штатов.
    1. Dunno
      +1
      2 August 2014 20: 39
      На тему суда:
      МОСКВА, 2 авг — РИА Новости. Послу Российской Федерации на Украине Михаилу Зурабову направлено уведомление о вызове российских политиков Владимира Жириновского, Геннадия Зюганова, Сергея Миронова, министра обороны РФ Сергея Шойгу, а также бизнесмена Константина Малафеева для проведения допроса, а также избрания меры пресечения для вышеуказанных лиц в виде содержания под стражей."
      Главным следственным управлением МВД вменяется пособничество террористам.
      http://sextalk.com.ru/files/new/pic/0/1062807816491fce.gif

      Думаю Шойгу могут отправить.
      1. 0
        4 August 2014 18: 38
        Quote: Wow Dunno
        Думаю Шойгу могут отправить.

        The Prosecutor General of Ukraine reports to the president of the "independent":
        - There are two news: good and bad. Where to start?
        “Come on with a good one,” Poroshenko decides.
        - In 10 minutes, at the call of our prosecutor’s office to testify in the framework of the criminal case brought against him, the Minister of Defense of Russia Shoigu will arrive in Kiev.
        - So this is wonderful, - Poroshenko shone ,: - Arrest him and deal with the end ...
        - And this is the second news, - the prosecutor sighs: - He is not alone arriving ... And along with all his subordinates ...
  85. 0
    2 August 2014 18: 27
    Какая там нахрен война? Никто не собирается развозить канитель в отношении Украины. Можно просто одним залпом покончить с территорией незалежной.
  86. Dunno
    0
    2 August 2014 19: 51
    "...США еще не совсем уверены, попросят ли они Киев не применять больше такое оружие. Потому что сейчас они говорят, что у украинского правительства есть право защищать себя. Но не стоит заблуждаться... "
    То есть, еще не вечер. И следует ждать новых провокаций на тему Армагедон.
  87. dzau
    0
    2 August 2014 20: 13
    Quote: Waterfowl
    За Испанию воевали, за Корею воевали, за Вьетнам воевали, в Африке воевали, сколько вооружения подарили чужим народам, а тут своему народу оказать полноценную помощь боимся!

    And don’t talk.
  88. 0
    2 August 2014 21: 08
    Если статья правдива то боевое крещение С-300 СОСТОЯЛОСЬ!!! Спасибо нашим ПВО за спокойное синее небо над головой!!!
  89. valery1389
    +1
    2 August 2014 22: 42
    "...Могла ли вчера начаться война России с Украиной..." -------------- Этот вопрос не корректен.Примерно как,может ли козленок по бодаться с тигром? Окраина из себя ничего не представляет.У хахлов-фашистов армия аховая.Нарики и алики.40 тысяч зомби.Воевать не умеют и не хотят.Ходят голодные,рваные,грязные.Их даже ополченцы иногда кормят с руки,как собак.Горе,а не армия.Ополченцев всего ничего(неск.тысяч)с охотничьими ружьями и пистолетами,и то их не могут одолеть уже 4 месяца,хотя у хунты и самолеты,и танки и много еще чего.И нахрена хахлам такая армия нужна?Чтоб все ржали над этими чудиками?
  90. valery1389
    0
    3 August 2014 10: 53
    Во время турне по европе этот рубероид баран обамка-подвыпив винца,как всегда,уплетал любимые бананы.По его рассказам,он всегда в детстве их ел с кожурой.А его папа в тот момент так смеялся,что упал с пальмы и сломал себе хвост.
    Советник президента Псаки попросила своего шефа-гуталина больше так не смешить гостей, и так все у.с.с.ались.
  91. 0
    3 August 2014 11: 42
    Рассуждать о ТТХ , может ? не может ? а если ? - все это удел обывателя ! ВВП молчит -значит терпению пока еще конец не пришел ,значит есть еще шансы обойтись (или отодвинуть )большую войну,не исключено ,самую жестокую в истории человечества. О "шапкозакидательстве" пора уже забыть-проходили (сколько раз выстилали трупами наших солдат поля все той-же Гейропы ) Сейчас первое и главное :гнать в шею со всех постов "вахтовиков"-именно они (пятая колонна)-главная беда России.Больше внимания удел укреплению Армии и Флота,серьезно пересмотреть всю военную доктрину страны.Как ни глупо будет звучать , но то многое, что сейчас сделано для укрепления обороноспособности страны и чем мы хвалимся - это просто очередное латание многочисленных дыр и прорех.Сейчас нас пока проверяют ,ведут разведку боем.Мы не хотим войны ни в Украине( как ни крути а восточная ее часть и южная -это такие-же как мы русские люди) ,ни в Гейропе - они и без войны вырождаются.Обамка готовится к высокотехнологичной войне и пока не увидит наших реальных возможностей остудить пыл его и его ястребов ,так и будет проводить политику" кнута и пряника,руководствуясь принципом -разделяй и властвуй.Поэтому хватит показывать и доказывать наши мирные намерения ,пора показать ,что и зубы у нас есть и они острые.
  92. Dunno
    0
    3 August 2014 11: 53
    Вот США еще один костерок на Кавказе запалили. Раздуют рознь м/у Арменией и Азербайжаном.
    Веселуха будет. Ведь так по всей южной границе пройдутся.
  93. -1
    3 August 2014 13: 29
    Поднадоевший Барак Обама

    Это еще мягко сказано... Задолбавший всех Сарай Обмана должен уйти не только с политического горизонта, но и спрятаться где нибудь глубоко под землей на северной оконечности штата Аляска на долгие, долгие времена!!!
  94. -1
    3 August 2014 14: 12
    Проблема, Кэрол, заключается в том, что эти ракеты могут и не быть высокоточными комплексами. И я надеюсь, что они используют их против районов, где находятся российские сепаратисты… где, по заявлениям Киева, они имеют право их использовать в попытке сократить силы и средства противника, и где они не станут причиной непреднамеренных потерь среди местного населения этой части страны, чего мы все опасаемся.»
    Из этого маразматика, такой же генерал, как из Новодворской балерина. Какое к псаки высокоточное оружие из изделия тысяча девятьсот стертого года, да еще в руках украинец специалистов. Пьяному барсуку понятно, что стрелять станут по жилым районам и количество жертв превысит число потерь с обеих сторон, с начала карательной операции. Сволочнaя компания американских политиков никак не уймется, и похоже своим ходом они не сдохнут, придется помочь однако. Где то лихорадка Эбола обозначилась? Нужно ее передвинуть в нужное место.
    1. 0
      3 August 2014 14: 58
      PS Часто задавались вопросы - почему Россия не перекроет подачу газа через Украину. Вот и ответ http://discussio.ru/politics/putin-nemnogo-ogorchil-novyx-amerikanskix-vladelcev
      -ukrainskoj-gts . Все таки ВВП хороший шахматист.
  95. 0
    3 August 2014 14: 31
    Смотрите доктрину контролируемого ядерного конфликта США в открытых источниках. Поганенькая ассоциация, однако...
  96. 0
    3 August 2014 15: 16
    Идет в верхах война нервов. Думаю, у Путина они покрепче winked Хотя при обстрелах погранпунктов РФ хотелось бы и более активного огневого удара в ответ.
  97. kelevra
    0
    3 August 2014 15: 17
    Может сейчас до янки дойдёт,что они не ту сторону выбрали в противостоянии с Россией.Мне кажется,США скоро также кинут Украину,как в своё время марионеточное государство Грузию!
  98. 0
    3 August 2014 19: 17
    Господа-товарищи, не распространяйте бред!
  99. Saturn43
    0
    3 August 2014 20: 09
    Статья полная лажа))))
  100. 0
    3 August 2014 21: 14
    Да какая война? Военные с украины сами на территорию России ломятся. Это не война будет, а избиение младенцев. Армия укров капитулирует, а нац.геи свалят на запад портки стирать(кто успеет)

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