Conflict with the United States will help Russia get rid of the legacy of Gorbachev

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Конфликт с США поможет России избавиться от наследия ГорбачеваThe INF Treaty, in violation of which we are accused, is unprofitable for Russia

Washington sent a letter to Moscow expressing concern that Russia was allegedly violating the Intermediate Nuclear Weapons Treaty (RIAC) from the 1987 of the year.

"Russia has violated the obligations under the INF Treaty not to test, not to produce and not to deploy ground-based cruise missiles (RNLs) with a range from 500 to 5500 kilometers," stated in a message sent yesterday.

Are these concerns groundless? Experts say that Russia has long been thinking about withdrawing from a treaty signed by Gorbachev and Reagan. And the further, the more doubt arises whether to continue to comply with this document.

Rumor has it that in the near future, the KRNB, which have a combat use range from 2000 to 2500 kilometers, can enter the army, and this will entail Russia's withdrawal from the treaty. Such a move would neutralize the threat of deploying a US missile defense system in Europe, analysts say.

If you look at the problem from this side, it turns out that the Americans themselves by their actions reanimated the question about the INF. But not only in their case. This class weapons dozens of countries freely develop, including Russia's neighbors, and the Russian Federation and the United States have undertaken to not even look in his direction. But if the United States can transfer the center of gravity to high-precision weapons and use it to protect against new threats, even excluding the nuclear triad, then Russia has nothing of the kind and it is in the most disadvantageous position.

The head of the presidential administration, Sergei Ivanov, notes that Russia is still abiding by the agreement on the ban on the INF Treaty, but this cannot continue indefinitely.

“I am still convinced that the INF Treaty is a detrimental agreement for us,” agreed Army General Yury Baluevsky. “When it comes out of it, Russia will have more advantages than disadvantages.”

“This contract is of an indefinite nature, but the possibility of overcoming it exists if one of the parties provides convincing evidence of the need for a withdrawal,” continues Baluyevsky. “Today they are there: many countries are developing and improving medium-range missiles, and Russia, having fulfilled the INF Treaty, has lost many of these weapons systems.”

Moreover, the United States themselves have already violated the INF Treaty, indicates Baluyevsky. On the basis of the second and third stages of the intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) Minuteman-2, they created target missiles for testing air defense systems. However, these targets, in fact, are medium-range missiles of a new type, and nothing prevents to supply them with appropriate warheads, if necessary.

The other side of the problem is American Drones. Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, believes that the named Predator and Reaper class vehicles fully fall under the treaty definition of medium-range cruise missiles.

“The withdrawal of the Russian Federation from the INF Treaty is not an end in itself,” the expert is sure. - Such actions should answer questions of practical expediency. Does Russia now have modern medium and short-range missiles? Can we equip our army with them? These questions must be answered by experts already. ”

In fact, what can we oppose to the other and the third - the American missile defense system in Europe, to their own target missiles and mentioned drones?

These are missiles of the P-500 type, which may soon be equipped with Iskander-M missile systems, says analyst Yury Fedorov from the Center for Political Studies, citing data from open sources. According to the head of the presidential administration, Sergei Ivanov, they are capable of overcoming all existing and prospective missile defense systems. Fedorov admits that the P-500 is a “modified missile of the Soviet complex RK-55“ Relief ”(CSSX-4 Slingshot), its range of action is up to 3000 kilometers”.

“In 2012, the final tests passed another complex - Iskander-K, which is a further development of the Iskander-M complex. It launches even more accurate, already cruise, rockets, ”adds Fedorov.

Consequently, Russia is ready to leave the treaty financially, it’s up to a political decision. But not everyone approves of such a course of events. Alexei Arbatov, head of the Center for International Security at the IMEMO RAN, is sure: Russia's withdrawal from the INF Treaty can lead to negative consequences. “Before cutting off, everything must be measured, and not seven, but seventy-seven times,” says Arbatov. History "It shows the futility of attempts by any powers to assert themselves by the destruction of international treaties," he warns.

On the other hand, sometimes circumstances force it to do just that. Last year, Vladimir Putin hinted to the United States and NATO about the possibility of Russia withdrawing from the said treaty. But since then, international relations have not become easier: on the contrary, they have become more complicated.

However, nothing has been decided yet and nothing has been proven. In response to the American accusations, the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation stated that the United States remains in propaganda mites of the Cold War. The agency reminded: “As in previous years, the United States continues to say without proof that Russia allegedly violates its obligations under certain international treaties.”

On the other hand, a military diplomatic source in Moscow in 2010 year stated that Russia and the United States planned to consider the issue of the possible termination of a bilateral INF Treaty.

True, all this happened against the background of the statements made back in 2009, that Russia is ready to discuss the general mode of refusal of the INF. “We are ready for a constructive dialogue on finding ways to solve these problems both with the European Union and with all other partners in order to agree on a universal regime for abandoning this type of missile,” Lavrov stressed then.

“Now between Russia and the United States equality in all types of the nuclear triad; consequently, there is a stable nuclear balance, ”retired Major General Vladimir Dvorkin, Chief Researcher at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations (IMEMO) of the Russian Academy of Sciences, noted. - Concerning the charges: this is another minor US attack. On this occasion, for several months there is a discussion. Whether Russia violated something on missiles or not - it still needs to be proven for a long time and scrupulously ”.

American accusations against Russia for violating the INF Treaty, say experts polled by Kommersant, are primarily of a psychological threat, and their goal is to increase pressure on the Russian Federation along with the sanctions imposed against it. Pressing goes in all directions, and this can speak about a certain degree of confusion: no matter what they try, nothing helps.
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  1. +9
    1 August 2014 08: 11
    yeah, this conflict will probably help get rid of the planet earth as a whole !!
    1. +31
      1 August 2014 08: 28
      Yes, the Americans do not care what Russia is blamed for. If all the accusations end on Earth, they will blame that in space Russia has invaded another planet and will defend the aliens there
      1. +23
        1 August 2014 12: 51
        Anek on the topic:
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/319/cudr627.jpg
      2. Russian1974
        +1
        1 August 2014 13: 33
        And you did not notice they themselves aliens laughing
    2. +11
      1 August 2014 08: 29
      Hmm ... States here and there ignore any laws when it is beneficial to them !!! What agreement will we observe ... They, too, NATO vowed not to expand !!!
      1. Cadet787
        +22
        1 August 2014 08: 33
        The article is correct enough to consider yourself flawed WE ARE A GREAT PEOPLE. Our leadership wants to please the monkey and the gamerope, and they, without even waiting for the results of the investigation into the Boeing crash, blamed Russia for it. Guys don't try to break the "old", they only understand strength. You are afraid that whatever happens, it has already happened and only a blind person will not notice that there is a third world war, and the front line for Russia passes through the LPR and DPR. Make a decision, Comrade Supreme Commander, we are your soldiers ready to carry out any order. FATHERLAND IN DANGER !!!
        1. +14
          1 August 2014 08: 50
          Quote: Cadet787
          The article is correct enough to consider yourself flawed WE ARE A GREAT PEOPLE. Our leadership wants to please the monkey and the gamerope, and they, without even waiting for the results of the investigation into the Boeing crash, blamed Russia for it. Guys don't try to break the "old", they only understand strength. You are afraid that whatever happens, it has already happened and only a blind person will not notice that there is a third world war, and the front line for Russia passes through the LPR and DPR. Make a decision, Comrade Supreme Commander, we are your soldiers ready to carry out any order. FATHERLAND IN DANGER !!!

          Not comfortable at heart when the General Staff began to speak instead of the Foreign Ministry! But apparently our generation will have to raise the banner of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers! They won't let them rise from the knees of Russia! Apparently as in a song: "An order was given to him to the west ..." Apparently our turn is coming
          1. 0
            1 August 2014 09: 59
            Quote: brelok
            An order was given to him to the west ... "
            and then it’s in the other direction. i.e. to Alaska
        2. +3
          1 August 2014 15: 03
          Sometimes other decisions are made for Putin — such an impression develops, and he cannot do otherwise; he is not the dictator Pinochet, he has many advisers, but the question is who he listens to ..!
          If you are your oligarch friends, then you obviously need silence, and at any cost (money love silence ..) and from here you need to stop the war in Ukraine, but again, in what way, I think that the option of simple betrayal in SE is not excluded, only Putin probably understands that after this he will become for many Russians the same Gorbachev, Yeltsin in terms of the sale of our interests and the Russian world to the West and his actions will doom him and his entourage in Russia to political oblivion!
          Don’t try, but cowards and traitors are not celebrated in any country !? But it seems that Rospotrebnadzor is becoming the most courageous and active, since others are silent, but the question is why we have been fed all sorts of illiquid assets of the West with pesticides, infections and other canoes, and now they suddenly went on the attack to stop and prohibit everything ...! ?
          Okay, at least so, otherwise this tacit, incomprehensible "non-resistance to evil" and makes our Western colleagues (in my opinion, moral and moral cripples) desire to continue to knead and press Russia, call on other countries of the world to impose sanctions against Russia! Filthy creatures, it's not enough for them from Russia "bobla" flowed like a river, they all wanted to destroy the Russians at once and destroy the country !?
          And so as not to remember our 5,6, 7 and 90 columns, its prominent representatives, such as Khodorkovsky, who wanted to drain all our mineral resources to American companies back in the 50s, was well stopped in time, and now he is selling Russia has imposed an indemnity of $ XNUMXmln !?
          After all, the worst thing in my opinion is that take any of our oligarch, raped money in Russia, citizenship as
          usually USA or Europe, children there, money in offshore means
          again not in Russia, etc. and the like!
          Mr. GREF Sberbank lends money to the fascist junta with money to upgrade the Ukrainian army, he receives good profits and does not care that tomorrow this Army will rush to the Crimea, to the Rostov Region ...!
          Against RUSSIA and its people, what is this poor mind or betrayal of individual, snickering bankers! ??
          That's right, where GREF will be, it was not by chance that he entered the council of a leading American bank ...!
          Mr. Timchenko, and he turned out to be a citizen of Finland, apparently to be a citizen of Russia, Putin's Russia
          this is today with our power and money of those who have - "zapadlo", not prestigious somehow, but just pulled something off, some to Austria, some to Holland, but to England, it was God himself and
          they can’t be seen there and not heard, like they are already not Russian!
          So what kind of order are we waiting for and who we will protect, Westerners from Westerners, it seems to me that they do not lose hope they will agree without orders, the people of Russia and the Russian world will just have this, this is a question of questions !!! ????
          1. +3
            1 August 2014 15: 24
            How do you know who makes decisions and how
          2. +1
            2 August 2014 10: 20
            Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, SK, BP, Prosecutor's Office, and others and others .... Can't clean up the country? RUSSIA - ALWAYS was a POWERFUL country under UNIQUESTY! All this SHUSHERA, which outnumbers the Moscow Region, cannot do what there are 45 airborne regiments that will do everything in a week!
      2. WKS
        +3
        1 August 2014 09: 56
        It is necessary to withdraw from the START Treaty.
      3. DMB-88
        +3
        1 August 2014 10: 59
        Quote: Armagedon
        Hmm ... States here and there ignore any laws when it is beneficial to them !!! What agreement will we observe ... They, too, NATO vowed not to expand !!!


        Russia urgently needs to develop and build missiles of such classes, and explain to the West that this is to fight terrorism. Mattresses came up with this topic when they themselves smashed the skyscrapers in New York.
        World imperialism always needs to fight with someone, and if it’s not at all with anyone, then they will come up with the enemy!
    3. +13
      1 August 2014 08: 47
      The sooner Russia withdraws from this treaty, the better it will be for its defense capability, but for now it would be possible to start manufacturing RSMD so that by the time we exit we would already have this class of weapons.
      1. +4
        1 August 2014 09: 31
        Judging by Washington's attacks, there is no longer any doubt that a new Strategic Concept for the alliance will be adopted. It is safe to assume that in the new situation, any calls for the withdrawal of the remnants of American tactical nuclear weapons (TNW) from European territory will cease to be relevant. This is exactly what the hawks want from the Pentagon. NATO seeks to obtain enough "arguments" to reaffirm its irreplaceable role in ensuring European security, and not somewhere outside, but within Europe itself. Sasha article +!
      2. pahom54
        +1
        1 August 2014 09: 53
        For a giant of thought
        HERE !!! Correctly!!!
        That is, while the Foreign Ministry is settling everything on a paper level, the work on the INF Treaty must go on, and moreover !!!
      3. +2
        1 August 2014 16: 53
        Quote: Giant thought
        The sooner Russia withdraws from this treaty, the better it will be for its defense capability, but for now it would be possible to start manufacturing RSMD so that by the time we exit we would already have this class of weapons.

        According to the letter of the treaty "... do not develop ...", so the development of such a weapon is already an option smile
        Well, and to hell with him, with this treaty. Pin.dos.tan came out of the ABM treaty, said that it was for defense, NATO was expanded, again for defense, bases were placed around - again for defense. Well, we can then develop and manufacture any means of warfare - for protection wassat
    4. +7
      1 August 2014 09: 18
      How to deliver us from Gorbachev?

      And so as not to be reborn in any guise. Many more Gorbachevs roam the earth
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      2. +2
        1 August 2014 09: 44
        Quote: Very old
        And so as not to be reborn in any guise. Many more Gorbachevs roam the earth


        ... frozen creatines in the face of Shmakarevichev and Shevchukhanov, and the like with cropped brains, i.e. senile senility in which progresses. And at this age - this is for life. So you need to send these idiots to the nursing home. Do not FIG pollute their highs emotional background in Russia. It is time to declare in Russia, as part of the ecology, the struggle for the purity of the emotional background.
        1. +2
          1 August 2014 11: 36
          It would be great to revive missile systems like the Oka - so that they could ride and swim, and much more how to overcome obstacles. And load them with new KLNB. There was also a Mi-12 helicopter - created for the transport of ICBM components. I think that with appropriate refinement, he will also be able to raise short-range missiles.
          1. +1
            1 August 2014 16: 58
            Quote: Basarev
            There was also a Mi-12 helicopter

            And what did the Mi-26t2 not please you? winked
            1. +1
              1 August 2014 19: 16
              The answer is obvious: Mi-26T2 is not enough lifting capacity. Anyway, why transport 20 tons when you can 40? In this case, this means doubling the number of missiles transported, which is truly priceless.
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      3. +5
        1 August 2014 11: 26
        Quote: Very old
        How to deliver us from Gorbachev?

        Proven tool - aspen stake on the tonsils
      4. +2
        2 August 2014 09: 17
        Yes, not only humpbacked, but also enough eltsenoidov.hot and not 37g, but it is necessary to carry out cleaning.
  2. +24
    1 August 2014 08: 12
    Don't give a damn about such agreements! The staff members were closely in the missile defense treaty - they threw him out. Now it's our turn to go to the toilet with their contract wassat
    1. 0
      3 August 2014 01: 50
      “In Moscow, it was not without some surprise that they familiarized themselves with the statements of the NATO Secretary General on the subject of the treaty on the elimination of intermediate and shorter-range missiles,” the Foreign Ministry said.

      The diplomats point out that the agreement was concluded in December 1987 between the USSR and the United States, and emphasize that there were no agreements between the USSR and NATO or Russia and NATO. "If the essence of the concern expressed in the statement concerns the situation with the observance of the provisions of this document, then they should have turned not to us, but to one of the member countries of the North Atlantic Alliance, which is a party to the treaty," the Russian diplomatic service notes.
  3. +2
    1 August 2014 08: 15
    But if the United States can shift its center of gravity to high-precision weapons and with its help defend itself against new threats, even excluding the nuclear triad, then Russia has nothing of the kind.


    Original thought of the author. How to understand?
    1. +1
      1 August 2014 08: 40
      But if the United States can shift its center of gravity to high-precision weapons and with its help defend itself against new threats, even excluding the nuclear triad, then Russia has nothing of the kind.


      Original thought of the author. How to understand?


      It's no secret to anyone, representatives of the US political leadership make it clear that Russia is a threat.
      Apparently, the author agrees with the opinion of representatives of the United States.
  4. +13
    1 August 2014 08: 15
    Practically all agreements signed with the tagged s..y are "harmful" for Russia. Send everyone to ... and deal with the security of your country without looking back at the "world" community!
  5. +12
    1 August 2014 08: 18
    It is high time to annul all the agreements that were concluded during the time of Humpbacked and Forever Drunk, how much harm can be done to the country by two traitors to the Motherland, if they are at the helm of the country.
  6. +2
    1 August 2014 08: 19
    Oh, thanks for the article.
    Just puzzled, at the strange position of our country and the United States, in terms of medium-range missiles.

    To the author / poster, my sincere plus.
  7. +2
    1 August 2014 08: 20
    Moreover, the United States themselves have already violated the INF Treaty, indicates Baluyevsky. On the basis of the second and third stages of the intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) Minuteman-2, they created target missiles for testing air defense systems. However, these targets, in fact, are medium-range missiles of a new type, and nothing prevents to supply them with appropriate warheads, if necessary.

    The same thing can be done with us. For example, in Iskander, add the second stage and Tipo use for testing the S-500.
    1. 0
      1 August 2014 12: 46
      ... or modify it to be able to be used as a target for the Russian missile defense system, and modify the new cruise missile to be used as a reconnaissance system, like Reis.
  8. wanderer
    +10
    1 August 2014 08: 21
    I was sorry to tears when they cut into my eyes BZHRK .... stood and cried.

    Good luck to everyone.
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  10. FACKtoREAL
    +5
    1 August 2014 08: 25
    KLNB with a radius of up to 2500 km. this is the length of the baton that is uncomfortable for NATO in Europe ...
    1. +2
      1 August 2014 08: 40
      And another nuance. The United States has the longest border - with Canada, which is quite prosperous and allied. Moreover, the ally is not just by agreement, but by life. And Russia has the longest border - with China, which is neither a prosperous nor a union state of Russia. In addition to the maximum range, strategic missiles also have a minimum limit. And medium-range missiles are just what will reduce Beijing's appetites.
  11. +4
    1 August 2014 08: 25
    This treaty put Russia in a knee-elbow position back in 1987, it's time to get up. If the treaty is not obligatory for everyone, then our missiles may just be for "those others." But this is diplomacy.
  12. +3
    1 August 2014 08: 26
    I also agree that it is necessary first of all to think about Russia's security. Given the current situation in the world, security is how we need it.
  13. +5
    1 August 2014 08: 27
    Almost all military contracts with America are harmful to us. They are crafty ....
  14. +10
    1 August 2014 08: 28
    to institute criminal proceedings against Gorbachev MS under article Treason
  15. +4
    1 August 2014 08: 34
    Yes, a humpbacked man with a bruise did not conclude much of this, and everything was not in Russia's favor. Who did they work for, that's the question? By the way, Americans like things to change names, maybe it's time for us to start, for example, an unmanned aircraft, a medium-range bomb "SBSD"! the agreement does not say anything about this.
  16. +1
    1 August 2014 08: 38
    Unfortunately, we have to admit war, even a cold one, is the engine of progress.
  17. +11
    1 August 2014 08: 38
    I do not consider it necessary to terminate the INF Treaty. It is necessary to conclude a new multilateral treaty with Cuba, Venisuela, and Belarus "ON LIMITING THE NUMBER OF INFLATs to 10000." And to all questions from the United States it is polite to answer - "This does not concern you, we fully comply with the 1987 treaty, you have nothing to worry about, this is" not directed against "the United States, and do not interfere with the expansion of the process of limiting strategic offensive arms!"
    IMHO
    1. +1
      1 August 2014 12: 52
      Awesome thought! A wonderful formula - "This does not concern you ... this is not directed against" the United States ... "
      1. 0
        1 August 2014 13: 08
        In fairness, this is not my formula, this is from the explanations of the State Department on the deployment of missile defense in Eastern Europe. feel
  18. +2
    1 August 2014 08: 40
    We must explain to the Yankees that they’re not against you, they don’t reach the states anyway, it’s against Europe, where your bases are located! So let them calm down, don't be afraid wink
  19. Leonidych
    +4
    1 August 2014 08: 43
    break all the agreements signed during the hunchback and EBN! and when will the hunchback already dry out? so you want to take a walk and have fun!
  20. +4
    1 August 2014 08: 43
    Yes, a three-inch bolt for all the accusations and requirements of mattresses. And yet, yes, you need to get out of the RMSD, but quietly.
  21. +6
    1 August 2014 08: 43
    An idiotic agreement for a country that has the largest land border and occupies most of the land. If for the Yankees, where the cat wept overland there (Canada can not be considered it against the Yankees vryatli pickle) and the military core is mostly aviation and navy, then our rely on the land group (And there is no option - if not Julia, and yet on its borders it will be necessary to meet the enemy and there is no chance of drowning in the ocean). Ground-based missiles, self-propelled and railway systems are an integral part of this group and debiting them from the accounts is like comparing a doll with a real woman.
    1. +1
      1 August 2014 17: 24
      The funny thing is that medium- and shorter-range missiles, but sea-based, are not taken into account by this treaty in any way, and are considered quite normal.
      Just how many carriers of sea missiles we have and how many pin.dos.ov.
      If we assume that they dumped about 2500 missiles of various classes on Iraq alone (such a figure slipped somewhere), so should we stick to such an agreement, like a blind wall. winked
  22. +1
    1 August 2014 08: 49
    If we withdraw from the contract we will only win. The state missile defense system will become basically a warning system but not a defense. Accordingly, they will lose interest in her.
    1. +1
      1 August 2014 09: 30
      Quote: Hyperborea
      If we withdraw from the contract we will only win.

      Then the American Pershing will be deployed not in Germany and Belgium, but in Poland, the Baltic States and Georgia. The flying time to our mines will be reduced so much that we miss the missile launch.
      1. +1
        1 August 2014 17: 26
        Quote: Jurkovs
        The flying time to our mines will be reduced so much that we miss the missile launch.

        They will fly no longer from the Baltic, so what's the difference? request
  23. sanek0207
    +4
    1 August 2014 08: 56
    It is necessary to leave immediately from all "agreements" with them! How many of them can you tolerate! And go about your business, that's when the mattress realizes that no contracts are not a decree to us, they will immediately ochkanut! RUSSIA is a GREAT POWER, and the USA has forgotten about it! The Koreans are shooting in their direction and do not bzdat, but we adhere to some kind of agreements! Agreeing with a mattress is the same as negotiating a truce with dill!
  24. +3
    1 August 2014 09: 00
    It is necessary for them to send instructions for twisting this contract into a tube and putting it in a place from where it is then very difficult to get !!!
  25. +2
    1 August 2014 09: 04
    I don’t remember that the Americans and I agreed on the deployment of their missile defense in Europe. And if so, then the rest of the agreements with two-faced Yankees should be sent to the furnace.
  26. s1н7т
    +4
    1 August 2014 09: 10
    The "legacy" of the bastard Gorbachev is not only an agreement on the RMSD, it is generally the collapse of the Union, as a result. So there is a lot to do. But you can start with RMSD, I agree soldier
  27. +2
    1 August 2014 09: 14
    Send all tries and thoughtfully do their job. And how do you imagine such a picture - Stalin asked Hitler: - Can we make Katyusha? And the t-34? ... FUNNY! Gorbachev's anathema!
  28. 0
    1 August 2014 09: 28
    This question is not as simple as it seems. The USSR deployed medium-range missiles in response to the American Pershing, which had a short approach time to our strategic mines, and as a result received some strategic advantage. The conclusion of the contract was not profitable for us. But today, if we get out of it, the American Pershing will already be deployed in Poland, the Baltic states, Georgia, Romania and Bulgaria. Flight time will be reduced to such values ​​that we can miss the missile launch itself. So you need to think hard.
    1. pahom54
      +2
      1 August 2014 09: 51
      for jurkovs
      Yes, in the root cause you are right (the answer to the deployment of Pershing).
      But now we have such complexes as Iskander. and if they were to launch an information war in such a way that the leadership and the people (!!!) all these cherished Poland-Romania-Georgia-Bulgaria knew that 3,14 would come quickly and guaranteed in the first place (!!!).
      And then you will get what you forgot about: about mass protest demonstrations and riots in countries in which the United States intended to place its Pershing. That is, the governments then gave their consent, but the people did not. And the Americans then "nicely" left, "nicely" concluding this shitty agreement on the INF Treaty ...
  29. +3
    1 August 2014 09: 28
    What kind of conventions ?! The Americans have found a way to bypass the terms of the contract, and what is stopping us? If a rocket (cruise, wingless, unmanned, ...) can fly for 5001 km in a test launch with an additional stage under the most favorable conditions, then why not formally designate the task - i.e. we make a normal "long-range" missile, with the possibility of trajectory correction from 100 to 5010 km. Upper stages are supplied as a set (at the discretion of the customer winked )
    1. +1
      1 August 2014 17: 58
      Quote: Kite
      What kind of conventions ?! The Americans have found a way to bypass the terms of the contract, and what is stopping us? If a rocket (cruise, wingless, unmanned, ...) can fly for 5001 km in a test launch with an additional stage under the most favorable conditions, then why not formally designate the task - i.e. we make a normal "long-range" missile, with the possibility of trajectory correction from 100 to 5010 km. Upper stages are supplied as a set (at the discretion of the customer winked )

      All this will affect the final cost of the product, I hope you do not want to throw money away just for the sake of circumventing the contract.
      If a treaty is not needed and does not correspond to modern doctrine, then we must say so, and not look for workarounds, as they say "we will be courageous and everything will work out for us"
  30. +1
    1 August 2014 09: 30
    the time for making populist decisions has passed, it’s time to act appropriately ... hi
  31. pahom54
    +6
    1 August 2014 09: 44
    quote ... "" Now there is equality between Russia and the United States in all types of the nuclear triad; therefore, there is a stable nuclear balance, "noted retired Major General Vladimir Dvorkin, Chief Researcher at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations (IMEMO) RAS .. . "...
    No matter how I respect Dvorkin, BUT !!! I completely disagree with him.
    In this case, casuistry and tautology in the spirit of a pro-American figure sounded from his lips.
    Back in the 80s and 90s, when he himself, as a military scientist, was engaged in the so-called "space wars", we, the USSR-Russia, were cut off by the Americans with their treaties, I don't want to !!! And if under the USSR the forces and power of the nuclear triad were enough FOR ALL potential adversaries, now the nuclear triad of Russia in terms of the number of carriers and the number of nuclear warheads (meaning strategic, not tactical weapons) is significantly inferior to the United States. And if you pay attention to the fact that in the NATO bloc there are also Britain and France, which possess nuclear weapons, then talking about parity is simply ridiculous !!!
    China, India, Pakistan, ... also possess nuclear weapons.
    So to get out of these Jesuit treaties it was just NECESSARY the day before yesterday !!!
    And Russia urgently needs to develop its not only strategic, but also tactical nuclear weapons, maybe tactical even in the first place ...
    So God grant health to our politicians, scientists, engineers and designers, who, during the operation of this treaty, slowly did their job and developed new products ...
  32. +3
    1 August 2014 09: 48
    But you can bypass this agreement altogether by deploying the production of the Russian Marines in Belarus and supplying them to the Belarusian army, and then conclude an agreement with Russia on the use of the Russian Marines and the Russian Navy for collective defense and the use of Russian nuclear warheads in this case - then everyone in Europe will have their tails pinned, only according to recent events, I have doubts that Lukashenko will not drift such a pull ...
  33. +1
    1 August 2014 10: 00
    The INF Treaty concerned nuclear weapons. and now they are allegedly demanding to abandon all missiles from 500 to 5000, regardless of warheads. such impudence is not even necessary to comment. By the way, the NATO people themselves never respected their tomahawks, no one hid it, they simply removed everything, and the missiles are still in service.
  34. +1
    1 August 2014 10: 17
    Well, apparently, there is already an understanding of the situation, it remains only to start acting, otherwise everything is a talking room, a talking room. After all, it has long been known that the American dual-purpose missile defense is being replaced right now with advanced missiles capable of both shooting down targets in the air and delivering ammunition accurately on our territory. So as not to be surprised then, you must already do something.
  35. Leshka
    +1
    1 August 2014 10: 55
    I think they already have ours
  36. +1
    1 August 2014 12: 42
    One caveat, it seems there was not the United States, but NATO expressed concern about the INF Treaty ... To which NATO indicated that they say you’re doing business if the Treaty is generally between the USSR and the USA, but essentially it is not implemented by the United States, as shock drones actually being analogs of cruise missiles in terms of their capabilities, they are generally not spelled out like missiles of missile defense systems ... Something like that ...
  37. Everest2014
    +1
    1 August 2014 12: 43
    The introduction of all these sanctions will finally allow the top leadership to come to their senses and establish their own production, and not invent all sorts of original bicycles of a new concept in Skolkovo. In the long run, this will be beneficial.
  38. +2
    1 August 2014 12: 49
    Quote: ermolai
    Quote: brelok
    An order was given to him to the west ... "
    and then it’s in the other direction. i.e. to Alaska

    They forgot about Japan, the samurai are also under the states, like pros ... and (they have geisha) under the master, they have eyes and eyes, therefore you should not forget about the grouping of aircraft in the Far East !!! soldier
  39. +5
    1 August 2014 13: 36
    Quote: kot28.ru
    They forgot about Japan, the samurai are also under the states, like pros ... and (they have geisha) under the master, they have eyes and eyes, therefore you should not forget about the grouping of aircraft in the Far East !!!

    The DPRK doesn’t succeed with missiles, you can cheat and throw smile Let's see how the Japanese eyes are rounded.
  40. +4
    1 August 2014 13: 50
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/954/hwxd852.jpeg
  41. death door
    +2
    1 August 2014 14: 38
    return to service "Pioneers of UTTH" feel
  42. +1
    1 August 2014 15: 39
    Alexei Arbatov, Head of the Center for International Security of the IMEMO RAS.
    - And now - Brokeback! I said - Hunchback!
    Lord, you see everything! Deliver us, Lord, from our "humpbacked" friends, and with the rest, we ourselves will cope.
  43. Tomsoer
    +2
    1 August 2014 15: 43
    Quote: wks
    It is necessary to withdraw from the START Treaty.


    Just about with the Visa and MasterCard switch to the Chinese UnionPay, our merchants are already doing so. drinks

    The main thing is that China does not crack us in the back sad
  44. +3
    1 August 2014 16: 28
    Conflict with the United States will help Russia get rid of the legacy of Gorbachev

    Something is not visible active shifts in the government. I have not noticed yet Putin’s aspirations to change anything in the elites.
  45. petukhp
    0
    1 August 2014 17: 29
    OK, huh? Fushington expresses concern :-( And why doesn’t anyone listen to Moscow’s concerns? With such insidious and mean people, you can’t agree on anything at all, you need to protect yourself and your allies by all possible means, and do not care about all kinds of bonded agreements
  46. Evgtan
    +1
    1 August 2014 19: 04
    Wild turkey saved the American colonists in their first wintering from starvation. In memory of this event, Americans, in thanksgiving, kill and eat millions of turkeys every year, thanksgiving.
    God forbid us to do something good for these people
  47. Ivan 63
    +1
    1 August 2014 19: 07
    But, most importantly, the complete physical elimination of the fifth column.
  48. +1
    1 August 2014 19: 12
    Still to abandon the central bank and the dominance of international laws over Russian. In general, a lot of dreams. For example, about leaving the WTO, death from Gorbachev’s cancer, from a bulk stroke, from falling from the second tier of Udaltsov’s bed ..... Dreams, dreams - where is your sweetness ...
  49. 0
    1 August 2014 19: 50
    By the way, but at Amer’s warehouses exploded with ammunition? we remember right there was a small epidemic. Are they wondering if they are torn, or are they better stored?
  50. +1
    1 August 2014 21: 55
    Nodo act is not so straightforward. It is necessary to create problems for the Americans near their territory. We must use Cuba. Anyway, there are other Latins who do not like the Yankees. Let the Yankees think how to defend themselves against the missiles that stand under their nose.

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