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Militia lnr assure that they found fragments of a ballistic missile

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Militias found near Lugansk part of an unexploded ballistic missile warhead, told today by phone RIA News Commandant of the capital of LPR Sergey Grachev.



Yesterday, July 28, the CNN channel, citing its US intelligence sources, reported on the use of short-range missiles (up to 89-km) by the Ukrainian army with 454 kg warheads mounted on them. it weapon is the most destructive of all that was previously used in the eastern regions, stated the expert "CNN". In this case, the press center of the Security Council of Ukraine Andrei Lysenko said that the army does not use ballistic missiles because of their excessive power.

“Today I was where this head lies. It did not completely explode, only the cassettes worked from it, and the head itself remained unharmed. ”
said the commandant of Lugansk.

According to him, the warhead was found near the station Vergunka Lugansk region. "She is big, a little smaller than me, although I am eighty-eight meters."- added Grachev.
The publication recalled the recent statement by the representative of the Ukrainian Security Council Lysenko that President Poroshenko is preparing a new offensive plan, which will be an “unpleasant surprise” for the rebels.

Earlier, the media reported that as a result of the shelling, one of the centers of opposition, the city of Slavyansk, was almost destroyed.
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 30 July 2014 16: 39
    +46
    This is about the Lugansk region. And they also talked about the shelling of Gorlovka and Saur-Graves.

    The junta's offensive is exhausted on most sites. The ambitious plan surrounding Donetsk and Gorlovka failed. Geletei said that the junta had exhausted the possibilities for offensive operations, after which the junta began to throw contacts in Belarus today, so that Lukashenka could act as an intermediary for negotiations. The junta desperately needs a break to regroup and accumulate forces. On the whole, the situation, albeit complicated, is clearly emerging in favor of the militia, which in almost all sectors was able to fight off the large-scale offensive of the regular army.

    The junta’s defeat in the Shakhtersk and Saur-Mogily regions became especially sensitive, where even the introduction of more than 250 armored vehicles into the first line did not allow achieving any significant results. Nevertheless, the capture of most of Debaltseve complicated communication between the DPR and LPR and remains a threat to the seizure of Donetsk and Gorlovka from the north. If, in view of the defeat at Shakhtersk, now there is no question of the complete encirclement of Donetsk, then having strengthened in Debaltseve, the junta may try to solve the less ambitious task of covering Gorlovka. The junta still has the strength for this, in fact, the front section between Gorlovka and Alchevsk remains the only one where the junta can still take the offensive in order to solve serious operational problems, therefore, it is premature to rush into recognizing the junta as completely failed. The upcoming battles near Debaltseve will show whether the junta can still move forward or we gradually see how a period of serious difficulties sets in for the junta’s troops.

    "Contrary to the statements of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the cities of Shakhtersk, Torez, Snezhnoye, Pervomayskoye, Ilovaisk, Gorlovka are under the control of the militia.
    Contrary to the statements of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine about the capture of the cities of Avdiivka, Novy Svet, the fighting continues there.
    The DPR army continues to blockade parts of the southern grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in the so-called "Southern Cauldron". Information of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine about the unblocking of parts is a lie. "
    1. master 84
      master 84 30 July 2014 16: 43
      +19
      DAMAGED THIS JUNT WHEN DIES ALREADY
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 30 July 2014 16: 56
        +6
        Quote: Militia found near Lugansk part of an unexploded fully ballistic missile warhead, [/ quote


        The reserves are probably still the USSR, dampness and timing did their job. The mess in a word. The soldiers are bad.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 30 July 2014 18: 40
          +5
          Quote: subbtin.725
          The reserves are probably still the USSR, dampness and timing did their job. The mess in a word. The soldiers are bad.


          After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine got 90 missile systems 9K79 Tochka and 9K79-1 Tochka-U, which were in service with six missile brigades. To date, the 19 th missile brigade, which is stationed in Khmelnitsky in western Ukraine, and has 12 9K79-1 Tochka-U complexes, which are directly subordinate to the main command, remained in the Ukrainian ground forces. According to the available information, in 2011, the Russian OJSC NPK Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering (the developer of the complex) carried out work on the examination of approximately 50 9M79-1 missiles of the Tochka-U complex from the arsenal of the Ukrainian 19th missile brigade, as a result of which the service life of these missiles was extended until 2015.

          Detailed material here Where did the missiles go??

          Why was the launch of Ukrainian ballistic missiles (most likely launched by the Tochka-U missile system) announced on American and not on Ukrainian television? Why is the report of the Russian TV channel referring only to an American source? Why didn't Russian journalists turn to the Russian military for comment? Why are there no reports of how much damage these missiles have done? Why are there no reports of where they fell and where were they released from?


          There is an answer to this question -they were shot down by Russian air defense systems. Two were aimed at the crash of Boeing, and the third at Saur-Mogila. Now they are actively looking for unexploded warheads or their parts.
          1. andj61
            andj61 30 July 2014 19: 57
            +3
            Quote: Ascetic
            There is an answer to this question - they were shot down by air defense systems of the Russian Federation. Two targeted the Boeing crash site. The third is to Saur-Mogila. Now they are actively looking for unexploded warheads or their parts.

            Are there any links that they were shot down by our air defense systems, or is this a personal opinion?
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 30 July 2014 17: 08
        +11
        Quote: master 84
        DAMAGED THIS JUNT WHEN DIES ALREADY
        They themselves will die soon, unless good people help. For them, for good people, all hope.
        Quote: unknown author
        At the end of the century he took and overthrew
        An evil person is a kind person.
        From a grenade launcher slap him, a goat.
        Consequently, good is stronger than evil ...


        PS Learn to squeeze CapsLock, this skill is useful to you here on the site, and in life too.
      3. revnagan
        revnagan 30 July 2014 18: 55
        0
        Quote: master 84
        DAMAGED THIS JUNT WHEN DIES ALREADY

        It's like worms: if you do not kill, they can live forever ...
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 30 July 2014 16: 45
      +8
      Quote: Sith Lord
      The junta's offensive ran out in most areas


      not at all. There is also Jen Psaka ... I came to the briefing in one boot ... now they will not discuss the situation in the Donbas but why she is in one boot ...

      Everyone is just a gentleman ... behind a bad head, legs suffer .. wassat
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 30 July 2014 16: 51
        +5
        Quote: vorobey
        Everyone is just a gentleman ... behind a bad head, legs suffer ..

        And in the country - the leader of the Psak, Brzezinski, Obama and others like them, all over. I'm for the heads fool , their legs for a long time all over the world drove into the blood .. Sanya, hi !
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 30 July 2014 17: 05
          +7
          Quote: Tersky
          I'm for the heads

          Sasha, Victor hi. I recalled the old army wisdom: How many new thoughts are born in my head when they press boots!
          1. stayer
            stayer 30 July 2014 17: 11
            +7
            I thought a fake and people were joking over Psaka, and she really was in one boot. Well then ...
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 30 July 2014 17: 15
              +19
              Quote: stayer
              and she really is in one boot.

              I repeat once again. There is such a psychological technique - to distract attention from the main thing, using absurdity. EVERYONE looks at Psaki's legs, and does not pay attention to what she says, to the expression on her face, or maybe to the resolution that she palms on to vote, etc.
              1. DMB87
                DMB87 30 July 2014 17: 19
                +2
                divert attention from the main


                The U.S. Senate generally adopted Bill No. 2277, granting Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova the status of US allies outside NATO, ArmyStrong reports citing FaceNews. Based on this, in the event of direct military aggression against these countries, the States can send their troops into these states to protect them from external aggression.

                The new law also gives the president the right to increase cooperation between the US Armed Forces and the armed forces of Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Azerbaijan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia, and significantly increase United States assistance in ensuring the security of these countries. In addition, the document strictly prohibits all federal departments and institutions from doing anything to recognize Russia's sovereignty over Crimea or to support the illegal annexation of the Crimea of ​​the Russian Federation.

                The US Secretary of State is instructed to promote the development of democratic institutions, independent media, political and non-governmental organizations of the states of the former USSR, and to strengthen educational and cultural exchanges. Thus, thanks to its latest decisions, the US authorities formed their own geopolitical axis in Europe from the Balkans to the Caucasus, which may be the first frontier of defense against Russia.

                http://military-korrespondent.net/2014/07/senat-sdelal-ukrainu-gruziyu-i-
                moldovu-soyuznikami-ssha /


                which may be the first frontier of defense against Russia
                or...?
                1. Vasek
                  Vasek 30 July 2014 17: 42
                  +4
                  Quote: DMB87
                  The US Senate adopted on the whole bill No. 2277, granting Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova the status of countries - US allies outside NATO


                  As I understand it, NATO is an organization of which the United States is a member.
                  How, then, can the US Senate pass such a bill without the consent of the other NATO member countries?
                  1. DMB87
                    DMB87 30 July 2014 17: 55
                    +2
                    Pedivikia:
                    1. andj61
                      andj61 30 July 2014 20: 01
                      -1
                      When Israel, Jordan and Egypt are among the "main allies" at the same time, it suggests that this is, to a large extent, just chatter.
                  2. spec-80
                    spec-80 30 July 2014 22: 07
                    0
                    As far as I understand, NATO is an organization under
                    one member is USA.
                2. Bastion ammur
                  Bastion ammur 30 July 2014 18: 06
                  +1
                  and strengthen educational and cultural exchange

                  I liked this phrase most of all.
              2. paul1992
                paul1992 30 July 2014 17: 28
                0
                Quote: Egoza
                Quote: stayer
                and she really is in one boot.

                I repeat once again. There is such a psychological technique - to distract attention from the main thing, using absurdity. EVERYONE looks at Psaki's legs, and does not pay attention to what she says, to the expression on her face, or maybe to the resolution that she palms on to vote, etc.

                resolution? her position does not have such opportunities. Or did you just exaggerate? as for the distraction maneuver, here I am in agreement with you ...
              3. aleks 62
                aleks 62 30 July 2014 17: 35
                +3
                .... She is far from being a fool, as many see her .... Erysipelas, she was moron ... But inside ... In general, her right observation ... hi
              4. Dunno
                Dunno 30 July 2014 18: 18
                +4
                orthopedic boot (gypsum type), legs are crooked. Do not be distracted anymore.
              5. Strezhevsky
                Strezhevsky 30 July 2014 19: 39
                +1
                Quote: Egoza
                Quote: stayer
                and she really is in one boot.

                I repeat once again. There is such a psychological technique - to distract attention from the main thing, using absurdity. EVERYONE looks at Psaki's legs, and does not pay attention to what she says, to the expression on her face, or maybe to the resolution that she palms on to vote, etc.

                And here I again saw these beads on it !!! Lavrov gave her nothing more than a hat?
            2. assa79
              assa79 30 July 2014 22: 30
              +1
              she hurt her leg, and therefore the boot, and therefore it was not for long. Another question: who damaged Jen's leg?))
          2. BOB044
            BOB044 30 July 2014 18: 44
            0
            It’s just that her left click is lying a little.
          3. alexey garbuz
            alexey garbuz 30 July 2014 23: 15
            +1
            In Russian, this trick is not reflected. education is not that.
            1. Chegevara21
              Chegevara21 31 July 2014 12: 28
              0
              Not. They will never format us.
      2. Denis
        Denis 30 July 2014 16: 56
        +5
        Quote: vorobey
        behind a bad head, legs suffer ..

        maybe she has a fungus? laughing
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 30 July 2014 17: 18
          +4
          Quote: Denis
          maybe she has a fungus?


          The fungus in her head ... and here everything is simpler ... laughing
      3. mamont5
        mamont5 30 July 2014 16: 57
        +7
        Quote: vorobey
        There is also Jen Psaka ... came for a briefing in one boot ...


        I think that this is already a search by the State Department. They would have attached a red nose to her and put on a clown hat. Clearly a distraction.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 30 July 2014 17: 20
          +6
          Quote: mamont5
          They would have attached a red nose to her and put on a clown hat. Clearly a distraction.


          Now, when she comes without a skirt, then it will be a real distracting maneuver ...
          Matt presses on his self-pity ... he already fucked her thoroughly ...
          1. Dunno
            Dunno 30 July 2014 18: 27
            +1
            Came already in one boot and without a skirt. Nobody really noticed that in one boot, because it was not visible under the trousers. orthopedic boot after injury. Who pulled her leg out - I do not know, Lee ask.
      4. Dunno
        Dunno 30 July 2014 18: 11
        +1
        Someone wanted to tear her legs
      5. boots
        boots 30 July 2014 21: 06
        0
        The bad head has muscular legs. laughing
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 30 July 2014 16: 52
      +9
      Fresh card
      1. Andrew 447
        Andrew 447 30 July 2014 17: 43
        0
        Colleague Vladyka Sith! There was a serious error on the map, there was no breakthrough from the north in the direction of Debaltsevo-Shakhtersk 27.07, there was an attempt to break through Shakhtersk-Debaltseve from the south.
    4. nvv
      nvv 30 July 2014 17: 06
      +5
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      This is about the Lugansk region. And they also talked about the shelling of Gorlovka and Saur-Graves.

      The junta's offensive is exhausted on most sites. The ambitious plan surrounding Donetsk and Gorlovka failed. Geletei said that the junta had exhausted the possibilities for offensive operations, after which the junta began to throw contacts in Belarus today, so that Lukashenka could act as an intermediary for negotiations. The junta desperately needs a break to regroup and accumulate forces. On the whole, the situation, albeit complicated, is clearly emerging in favor of the militia, which in almost all sectors was able to fight off the large-scale offensive of the regular army.

      ".

      Vladyka: I do not think that the purpose of a cease-fire is in regrouping. They understood that the forces of the Ukrainian Army could not be defeated. And the purpose of the truce, the territory of the fall of Boeing. The truce is a provocation with a commission at the site of the fall of BOING — the DPR’s accusation of this is the introduction of a contingent of troops
    5. the polar
      the polar 30 July 2014 17: 08
      +13
      Well, where are the photos of this "head"?
      Today this is a shocking political argument against Kiev dill and the militias must understand this.
      But as always, some words ... they killed a black man, then they shot an American general, then they burned a hundred tanks at a time, now they’ve found a warhead from a rocket. And where is the documentary evidence?
      1. miv110
        miv110 30 July 2014 18: 57
        +3
        And it’s kind of like they caught a Swedish sniper, they just didn’t show it. Or spanked in haste?
  2. Stiletto
    Stiletto 30 July 2014 16: 40
    +7
    Here, if she had been discovered on Capitol Hill, there would have been a howl. And so except that the owners of Parashenka will chastise for not breaking ...
  3. askof
    30 July 2014 16: 42
    +6
    But Ukrainians can throw such a rocket into Russia. They don’t know how to shoot. Then they will say: Sorry, inexperience we ...
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 30 July 2014 16: 46
      +7
      Quote: askof
      But Ukrainians can throw such a rocket into Russia

      And what about our S-300 and S-400? Let them train and show what they are capable of (if they have not already shown).
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 30 July 2014 16: 50
        +4
        SRC P-15 SU  Today, 16: 46 what are our C-300 and C-400 for? Let them practice and show what they are capable of.


        ,,, MOSCOW, 25 July. / ITAR-TASS /. S-300 air defense systems, the supply of which was suspended in Syria, can be dismantled and partially disposed of. This was reported by ITAR-TASS Deputy Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS) Konstantin Biryulin ,,,

        ,,, and you say training ,,, request
        1. aleks_29296
          aleks_29296 30 July 2014 16: 55
          +8
          [quote S-300 air defense systems, the supply of which was suspended in Syria, can be dismantled and partially disposed of. This was reported by ITAR-TASS Deputy Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS) Konstantin Biryulin ,,,
          ]

          Oh well, some kind of provocation. At such a time, such weapons should be disposed of, and even new, some kind of nonsense.
  1. bubalik
    bubalik 30 July 2014 16: 58
    0
    aleks_29296 SU  Today, 16: 55


    ,, I agree that you can’t do this Yes

    ,,, http: //vpk.name/news/114287_ne_postavlennyie_v_siriyu_kompleksyi_s300_mogut_b
    yit_chastichno_utilizirovanyi.html
  2. dr.star75
    dr.star75 30 July 2014 18: 09
    0
    That's right. Disassemble and dispose of. According to the documents. And then collect where necessary. For all questions and answers like "we are not in kugso" we all agree, so check it yourself! recourse
  • SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 30 July 2014 17: 19
    +3
    Quote: bubalik
    ,,, MOSCOW, 25 July. / ITAR-TASS /. S-300 air defense systems, the supply of which was suspended in Syria, can be dismantled and partially disposed of. This was reported by ITAR-TASS Deputy Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS) Konstantin Biryulin ,,,

    It is rather a veiled transfer of these complexes to their intended purpose (not necessarily to Syria). In addition, the message says: "can be dismantled ...", but "can" and "actually is" - two big differences!
  • aleks 62
    aleks 62 30 July 2014 17: 37
    +1
    .... Well, yes .. They’ll dispose of it on paper .... Go check ... And they will send where necessary ... No.
  • mig31
    mig31 30 July 2014 16: 43
    +4
    Only Obama’s order made Parashenko press the start button, he’s a coward and a rat ...
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 30 July 2014 16: 43
    +1
    grease it with fat and give dill. lick so that it may explode
  • Krsk
    Krsk 30 July 2014 16: 43
    0
    Parashkina's rats generally got mad that they took them
  • DPZ
    DPZ 30 July 2014 16: 43
    +4
    Well, at least pictures posted. Why are they like the Americans, who everyone knows, they have evidence, but they will not show anyone.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 30 July 2014 17: 54
      +1
      Quote: DPZ
      Well, at least pictures posted.
  • IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 30 July 2014 16: 45
    +3
    Armageddon wind.
    Lavrov makes a statement that does not want to talk with Kerry ...
    Source: http://luciusvorren.livejournal.com/121264.html
  • Maap
    Maap 30 July 2014 16: 46
    0
    Glasnost is certainly good, but as a high-explosive warhead it would be much more useful ...
  • stayer
    stayer 30 July 2014 16: 47
    +1
    So they started it all the same, otherwise yesterday they broke their heads, whether it was or wasn’t. Well, now it’s the turn of the Russian Foreign Ministry to point the world community at the Ukrainian monster. At the same time refer (including) to CNN.
  • shosha
    shosha 30 July 2014 16: 49
    +1
    Well, it will begin, as always - we said that Russia supplies heavy weapons to the separatists and this time he shot himself and they don’t know how to use it, it didn’t even explode with them .... And so on ...
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 July 2014 16: 49
    +5
    There was information that the missile was shot down by Russian air defenses. And there were three of them. Everything is buzzing at the "Russian spring".
    Only the S-300 complex or the next in class could shoot it down. And they led her and shied away synchronously with the launch, otherwise they would not have time. If true, then this is another very formidable warning, like "I sit high, I look far away. Matches are not toys for children."
    1. avt
      avt 30 July 2014 16: 54
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      There was information that the missile was shot down by Russian air defenses. And there were three of them. Everything is buzzing at the "Russian spring".
      Only the S-300 complex or the next in class could bring it down.

      Nonsense! Who will be after the Boeing to launch missiles from the territory of Russia! ?? fool Yes, it flies in like a marching engine started, everything will be cut off from AWAX and presented immediately! Yes, they hang it up to the assassination of Kennedy with the 300m complex.
  • Magic archer
    Magic archer 30 July 2014 16: 50
    +2
    Psaki will come out and say that this is our rocket and will show some left pictures from space. The scenario is the same.
    1. Dunno
      Dunno 30 July 2014 18: 42
      0
      "and will show some left pictures from space" or pull a leg out of a boot ...
  • leglun
    leglun 30 July 2014 16: 50
    0
    Junta tribunal
  • MSA
    MSA 30 July 2014 16: 54
    0
    Dill - stupid people are finished, in return to them with interest back!
  • death door
    death door 30 July 2014 16: 54
    -4
    and why did the kipish rise? Well, they shot a rocket and what, someone forbidden to shoot rockets in the war?
    how we are, however, two-faced: if ukrovny shoot from an old weapon like a mammoth shit, it is ridiculous for us, but as something serious, all of them to the tribunal.
  • Akvadra
    Akvadra 30 July 2014 17: 00
    +1
    The complex, of course, is antediluvian. But someone did not let him fly far and explode!
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 July 2014 17: 00
    +1
    If missiles shot down ours, that's fine. It really sounds like the "last Chinese warning". No matter how the a.measures were banished, excuse me, some kind of crap was flying towards Russia, we had to take action.
  • asar
    asar 30 July 2014 17: 01
    +1
    Yesterday, July 28, the CNN channel, referring to its sources in US intelligence, reported on the use of short-range missiles (up to 89 km) by the Ukrainian army

    We have a radar station "Voronezh" in Armavir -
    Voronezh-DM in Armavir, Krasnodar Territory (object 1653, military unit 41003, coordinates: 44.92533 ° N, 40.98396 ° East (G) (O)). Into combat duty in 2009 [14]. Closes the southwest direction, controlling airspace from southern Europe to the northern coast of Africa

    Ours, I think, have more accurate data! Just "hold" (for the time being)!
  • bubalik
    bubalik 30 July 2014 17: 04
    +1
    Moscow offers the UN Security Council to adopt a resolution on the deployment of Russian peacekeepers in the fall zone of the Malaysian Boeing, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Wednesday.

    http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/30/698000.html
  • Egoza
    Egoza 30 July 2014 17: 18
    0
    In any case, Ukraine will not allow Russian peacekeepers. Already stated this.
  • demotivator
    demotivator 30 July 2014 17: 27
    +1
    As of 2013, Ukraine had 90 Tochka U missiles. Of these: 78 are in storage, and another 12 are on alert and are at the missile brigade in the city of Khmelnytsky. However, the security forces have no combat experience in using these complexes. In Ukraine, there was only one case of the use of short-range ballistic missiles. And then they got into a residential building. Although there was firing without real ammunition, the structures were pierced and one Ukrainian resident died. This is an indicator of how the Ukrainian army knows how to shoot.
    Thus, terrible weapons, the use of which can lead to a huge number of victims, are in the hands of people who simply do not know how to handle them. (Monkey with a grenade).
    On July 29, the American CNN channel announced the launch by the Ukrainian military of a ballistic missile against militias. The place from where the launches were carried out, as well as the purpose for which they were launched, is not specified
  • Timm65
    Timm65 30 July 2014 17: 29
    0
    And I have a question for our Strategic Missile Forces. Why didn’t they fix the launch of a ballistic missile ??? If yes, would you already have announced this. Or is our missile defense pro?
    1. death door
      death door 30 July 2014 17: 50
      -2
      What, you can’t say such words here! You should have said that we spit rockets out of orbit.
  • Grabberxnumx
    Grabberxnumx 30 July 2014 17: 30
    0
    Quote: bubalik
    Moscow offers the UN Security Council to adopt a resolution on the deployment of Russian peacekeepers in the fall zone of the Malaysian Boeing, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Wednesday.
    http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/7/30/698000.html


    Lavrov well done! Subtly trolling Washington mash-up and Ban Ki-moon in a compartment!
  • navara399
    navara399 30 July 2014 17: 32
    0
    It is strange that there is no photo ... Enough time has passed that would have boasted, but something is not ... Fake?
  • wladimir
    wladimir 30 July 2014 17: 51
    0
    To hell with what is happening, rockets fly. complete mess
  • Megavolt
    Megavolt 30 July 2014 17: 57
    +1
    Quote: Sith Lord
    Geletey said that the possibilities for offensive operations at the junta have been exhausted, after which the junta has already begun to throw contacts in Belarus today so that Lukashenko acts as an intermediary for negotiations

    I think the militias will have enough wisdom for the second time "... do not step on the same rake."
  • Evilcat
    Evilcat 30 July 2014 18: 08
    +1
    According to RIA Novosti, the president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems (Russia), doctor of military sciences Konstantin Sivkov.

    "They are using a precision tactical missile system of the Tochka type, the most powerful weapon that the Ukrainian army has."

    Igor Korotchenko, director of the Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade, Russian military expert, agrees with him: “In Ukraine, there is the only type of (ballistic) missile in service - the Tochka operational-tactical missile system.

    "Taking into account the fact that there are no satellites in Ukraine for creating digital maps of the terrain, it is obvious that such target designation can be provided by the Pentagon," the director of TsAMTO added.

    Moreover, the expert recalled, on the eve of the American representatives said they would provide intelligence information on the militia to the Ukrainian authorities.


    The director knows better, he knows more about the satellites that digital maps create. I’m naive, I thought that such cards are all the same a computer program simulates. But there is still a question for the specialists: "How can modern technologies be used on technology in '89?"
  • Evilcat
    Evilcat 30 July 2014 18: 13
    0
    Quote: stayer
    I thought a fake and people were joking over Psaka, and she really was in one boot. Well then ...


    Yeah. In the boot of Russian production, obtained by the CIA in the ATO zone.
  • ivanovich
    ivanovich 30 July 2014 18: 23
    +1
    Where did the launched Ukrainian "Points" go?
    Judging by the reports of world media, Ukrainian rocket launchers attacked the positions of militias. As you know, the missiles of this complex can be equipped with various warheads. So, in one of the options, the mass of a high-explosive fragmentation warhead can reach almost half a ton.

    She is able to mow targets on an area of ​​three hectares, raining down on the enemy up to 14,5 thousand fragments. For a better defeat, an air blast is possible. But the warhead with 50 fragmentation submunitions is considered the most dangerous. The area of ​​damage can reach 7 hectares.

    The strategic height Saur-Mogila, which was controlled by the militia, was named as the target on which the "Points" were to fall. The formations located there should have suffered serious losses, but independent sources do not confirm the presence of the missile complex combat units there.

    As noted earlier, these missiles have long since reached the end of their warranty storage periods. It is possible that the launches took place, and this was recorded by the American control systems, but due to old age, the missiles simply went, as they say, into "milk" without causing harm to the militias. The insurgents, it seems, learned only from the media that the "Points" allegedly worked on them.


    It may well be that they shot at the mountain, but for the krivorukovyh punishers who did not have working guidance and experienced specialists, the rocket deviated in flight and fell somewhere near Lugansk. I think they will not stop there and will try to launch the rest of the 78 scrapped missiles, but with such a low combat efficiency of the dill army, one should expect that some of the missiles will fly into Russia and then something irreparable can happen, because there are large missiles very close to the border cities of the Rostov region.
    1. Strezhevsky
      Strezhevsky 30 July 2014 19: 58
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      It may well be that they shot at the mountain, but for the krivorukovyh punishers who did not have working guidance and experienced specialists, the rocket deviated in flight and fell somewhere near Lugansk.
      But what if they themselves snatched this 120-bandrah with horseradish tanks?
  • Zaputina
    Zaputina 30 July 2014 18: 32
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    The commandant of Lugansk reported that a ballistic missile warhead was found
    Militias reported the discovery of fragments of a ballistic missile warhead in the Luhansk region. This was announced by the military commandant of Lugansk Sergey Grachev.

    According to him, a fragment of the shell was found near the station of Vergunka in the Luhansk region. On the eve of CNN, citing sources in U.S. intelligence, Ukrainian security officials began using short-range ballistic missiles.

    "Today I was where this head lies. It did not completely explode, only the cassettes from it worked, and the head itself remained intact," RIA Novosti quotes Sergei Grachev as saying. "It (the warhead) is big, slightly smaller than me, although I am eighty-eight," he added.

    Later, when comparing it, it turned out that this was the head part of a missile from the Smerch MLRS, which had previously worked in the village of Novosvetlovka and along that very Vergunka. These facilities are located beyond the Village of Lugansk, said the Anna-news news agency.

    Meanwhile, before the US State Department, through the mouth of Jen Psaki, without a shadow of embarrassment, she said: she has nothing to say about this.
  • Roman_999
    Roman_999 30 July 2014 18: 40
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    And where is the documentary evidence?


    Yes exactly. If the Internet is accessible at least somehow, you need to send and send photos, if the channel allows you to video, at least to the Network or to any information services, if there is nothing to hide and everything is honest - True, the best argument, after the force.
    And then it’s been chopped off, there are scattered videos, individual photos ... it's a pity, not for the sake of curiosity, but the material should be transmitted, you might think that the militias themselves do not want publicity, are guerrilla, do not contact the people, because neither good nor bad does not go, or Internet censorship in the Russian Federation prevents the publication of the real state of affairs in SEI.
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  • Lukerya Weaver
    Lukerya Weaver 30 July 2014 19: 33
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    The situation is very incomprehensible. In all this mess, the funniest thing would be if the states drove the bullshit and it turns out that their spy companion does not see a fig.
  • Drunya
    Drunya 30 July 2014 20: 36
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    not the topic - but maybe someone will be interested
    album of photos from the place of the death of Boeing777-
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/jeroenakkermans/page1/
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 30 July 2014 21: 08
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    Shown in the news "Russia 1", the head part of a ballistic missile with shot cassettes warhead.
  • ViRUS-007
    ViRUS-007 30 July 2014 21: 28
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    Why are you all so tormented? ... Ukrainians put there (on a rocket) GPS (GPS in Ukrainian), well, apparently they forgot that it (GPS) in the Ukrainian language is not good, that's why they didn’t reach (missed). ..

    they wanted the best, but it turned out as always ...

    Now, seriously, why did the pindos immediately merge the info? And there is still no nichrome on the launch of the Buk, maybe they decided to show, like we can do something else! And then after the briefing of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, they looked like boys with slingshots ... Well, not serious, and that's it ...
    Why from our (air defense / missile defense and radar) no information? Maybe they shot at us, checked our reaction, when it will be possible to shoot so close "with impunity" near our borders? I think ours calculated the trajectory and did not begin to "show" anything, why reveal themselves once again ... Or maybe they postponed it for later, as with Boeing ...
    If you shot at Lugansk, then from the areas of Kramatorsk, Severodonetsk, Starobelsk, a radius of 120 km, max removal (possibly closer)

    Maybe the militia had "gifts", and they shot down, then they would have given the information right away! Most likely due to the high qualifications of ukrofashiks and after so many years they simply did not fly ...

    We are waiting for the specifics ....
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 30 July 2014 21: 47
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    There was a launch in Syria, no hit.
    There was a launch in Ukraine, no hit.
    In the words of Winnie the Pooh - This is not easy.
  • Zaputina
    Zaputina 30 July 2014 23: 16
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    so was the rocket after all
    Kiev ballistic missiles: total destruction of all living things
    The fact that there was still a launch of ballistic missiles was already confirmed by Lugansk militias who discovered fragments of the warhead. Its size is almost two meters, it weighs 450 kilograms. With such deadly rockets of enormous destructive power, the Kiev security forces are now firing at civilians in the Southeast. No one in modern history has ever used such a weapon. But the Ukrainian authorities seem to have finally crossed all boundaries of morality.

    Donbass militias found ballistic missile wreckage in the vicinity of the village of Vergunka, thereby confirming the CNN TV channel that Kiev used weapons of mass destruction.

    Missile launches from the territory of the controlled Ukrainian army in the direction of the positions of the militias were recorded by American tracking satellites. And CNN journalist Barbara Star, who has great Pentagon connections, talked about it live.

    “Three government sources confirmed to me that US intelligence over the past 48 hours has detected the use of short-range ballistic missiles from territory controlled by the Ukrainian army towards areas controlled by the militias. This is a serious escalation of the conflict. The missiles in question are hitting about 80 kilometers and have warheads weighing up to a ton. That is, these are weapons that can kill many people in just one use, "Star says on the air.

    Barbara Star is a reporter with impressive experience and extensive experience. It is enough to list the points on the planet where she had to work. Afghanistan, Beirut, Lebanon, Iraq - there is no reason not to believe her. In addition, the data voiced by her is not at all in the hands of the White House. Ballistic missiles against civilians are, without reservation, a war crime. Huge victims were avoided. Perhaps because the military missed or used inaccurate data about where the army units of the Southeast are located.
    http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1855106&cid=9
  • Zaputina
    Zaputina 30 July 2014 23: 17
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    As for the type of missiles, most likely these are the Tochka-U operational-tactical complexes, which have remained with Ukraine since Soviet times. Kiev has about fifty of them. On the one hand, the main characteristic of this weapon lies in its name - "Point" means exact. In capable hands, the error when hitting a target is no more than 7-8 meters. But the big question is whether such specialists remained in Ukraine. And for aimed fire, data from satellites or digital maps of the area are needed.

    "Ukraine does not have the ability to conduct satellite reconnaissance and refine digital maps, so it should be recognized that the launches were carried out at predetermined coordinates, which the Americans gave to the Ukrainian side," military expert Igor Korotchenko said.

    Ukrainians have not experienced "points" for a long time. Probably from the beginning of the two thousandth, when the rocket suddenly changed course and instead of a given target, hit a residential high-rise building in the town of Brovary. A shell shot a hole in the house from the roof to the second floor. Several people were killed. But it was just a training rocket, in fact, an empty shell, one body without filling. Then the Ukrainian experts searched for the reasons for what happened for a long time, but they could not understand what went wrong.

    She explodes in the air, still on the approach. Falling in the city or near settlements, the rocket destroys all life in a radius of 500 meters. Damaging elements pierce even concrete. There are two types of ammunition - high-explosive fragmentation and cluster. The latter is prohibited by the international convention, but the militias claim that they found fragments of just such a shell.

    In fact, rocket fire fits well into the logic of the conduct of hostilities by the Ukrainian leadership, which initially followed the path of building up military power. First, snipers, then artillery, attack aircraft, fighters and now tactical weapons. It is usually used in the course of large-scale conflicts, offensive operations, to destroy command posts, warehouses, large groups of troops. And after all, the speaker of the Ukrainian Security Council promised not so long ago that Poroshenko was preparing an "unpleasant surprise" for the militia.

    Following Barbara Star, ABC NEWS correspondent Kirit Radia reported the missile launch, only not on the air, but in his microblog. According to him, there were only three volleys, the purpose of which was not at all the positions of the militia, but the crash site of the Malaysian Boeing. In any case, some of the missiles were directed towards the town of Snezhnoe, which is 15 kilometers in a straight line from the village of Grabovo, where the liner crashed. Conclusions in this case suggest themselves.
    http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1855106&cid=9
  • melnik
    melnik 31 July 2014 01: 09
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    In Russian spring they write that our missiles shot down. And it seems like Kerry begged Lavrov not to beat in response. Hence the statement that the UKRs are ready for talks in Minsk. Who to believe, H.ren knows him
  • chaldon
    chaldon 31 July 2014 05: 58
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    If the missiles were actually shot down, then this is a serious US call about the readiness of our missile defense systems and proof of their effectiveness. The states have something to think about, they will no longer be able to blackmail us with their nuclear potential. Yes, and their general was shot and their officers instructors pestilence went.