DNA analysis showed who Rurik really was

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DNA analysis showed who Rurik really wasProfessor Klyosov talks about the latest achievements of DNA genealogy

The leading representative of the DNA genealogy, Doctor of Chemistry, Professor of Moscow State University and Harvard University Anatoly Klyosov in an exclusive interview with KM.RU spoke about how the latest genealogy achievements help to debunk the myths that blacken history Russia.

A large number of Scandinavians in Russia was not

- The Norman theory is divided into several stages of development. Its founders were German scientists Gerhard Miller and Augustus Schlozer. They wrote that the Slavs were not able to create their own state, and there were a lot of Scandinavians in Russia. It is noteworthy that the new supporters of this theory constantly increased the number of Varyags. Doctor of Historical Sciences Lev Samuil Klein wrote about 13% of the Scandinavians from the entire population of Russia, that professional historian Vyacheslav Fomin, having calculated that this should amount to half a million people, he laughed. And he was absolutely right. According to some scientists, the Scandinavians "crushed" the Slavs. And this gives individual subjects a reason to rant on the theme of "our primordial backwardness and lack of organization" ...

When I finally got the dogmas of the Norman theory, I decided to study it more closely, and it became clear to me that she had no clear reasons. In this theory, there is a huge number of contradictions, and all objections frankly "whistle." I drew attention to the haplotypes and haplogroups Scandinavians. They are marked with marks on a special map. So, these tags are going to the west - to the north of France and the British Isles.

I took the whole set of known haplotypes and found out that there is not a single descendant of Scandinavians from a thousand people in Ukraine and in Belarus. In Russia, I found two: one lives in Penza, the other - in Saratov. After all, there is no such thing that descendants could not stay even hundreds of years later! I concluded that there was no significant number of Scandinavians in Russia. In any case, they are not detected by DNA genealogy. At least in this moment the Norman theory is untenable.

Two thirds of Rurikovich are Southern Baltic Slavs

Further the genealogy of Rurikovich was investigated. They made DNA and it turned out that two thirds of Rurikovich are South Baltic Slavs (haplogroup N). The rest had a chromosomal haplogroup R1a, which is common in the population of Central and Eastern Europe. Rurikovich had a common ancestor. We did not find a trace of Scandinavians in the highest nobility and among the broad masses of the population.

One thing is obvious: Rurik is a Slav. Maybe he is a Polab Slav, maybe a Baltic, but he is a Slav. However, the question arises: why did we find two haplogroups at Rurikovich? We believe that during the reign of Vladimir Monomakh, someone "ran across the road." Most likely, Monomakh's wife cheated on her husband. Who would have thought that such circumstances could come to light in almost a thousand years! Despite the fact that we know that Rurik was a Slav, his social status and occupation are unknown to us.

In general, DNA analysis allows you to accurately determine paternity, although, I think that sometimes it is better not to know about such things. Recently, I came to my small homeland. There I met a very decent man. He is a farmer, he has two handsome sons. I suggested doing a DNA analysis. As a result, it turned out that he and his children have absolutely the same DNA, which means that he is definitely their father. Such analyzes are now one-touch solve the problem of adultery, and you decide yourself, are you ready to accept the truth if it turns out to be bitter ...
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  1. +45
    31 July 2014 08: 55
    from the Don.
    About 5% of the population of Russia know or guess about the rigging of the facts about Rurik's origin. Why is it hushed up at the state level, i.e. image. institutions?
    1. +5
      31 July 2014 09: 33
      and what does it actually change, suppression or, on the contrary, the protrusion of the fact that someone belonged to some kind? does anyone else believe in superiority on a genetical level within the same race? In my humble understanding - the "purer" and "nobler" the blood, the faster you will become an albino and safely disappear from the gene pool.
      If the Creator was concerned about "purity" would make us hermaphrodites. Well, or we would reproduce by the method of division, not copulation.
      1. +43
        31 July 2014 13: 07
        It changes a lot! When the head of the Russian Orthodox Church declares, the Slavs are animals and people of the second grade http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvPHTYGwVswho vegetated in earthen burrows, until some two poets, illuminated by Greco-Roman enlightenment, came and taught the Slavs to speak and write in their own Russian language. Under Peter I, the annals of Russia were rewritten by the appointed Germans, Rurik was declared a Scandinavian, whom the Russians called for reign, because he lacked intelligence (Rurik was a Varangian, i.e. the leader of sea pirates, and not a Scandinavian, who, for some reason, automatically associated with the Vikings). It has been deliberately pumped into the minds of Russians for centuries. It’s not just that, and it aims to convince us and the whole world that we, Russians, animals and second-class people. The West’s reaction to reports of mass casualties among the civilian population of New Russia as a result of bombardment of settlements is very indicative. Even to the epidemic of African swine fever, their reaction would be more sympathetic IMHO
        1. +13
          31 July 2014 16: 15
          Dear Velikorus! No need to slander the patriarch whether he likes him or not - we are all human, and who is without sin? Just modern pagans, having read the “Veles books” (published, by the way, on JEWISH money, so you know) for some reason do not think about the fact that the Zionists have been fighting against Orthodoxy for two thousand years. They fight not for life, but for death. According to the book of Sholhan-Arukh, a faithful Jew, passing by an Orthodox church or house where a Christian (Akum) lives, must curse him. Every Jew does not mention the temples and houses of the pagans (goyim) in this handbook. And all the activity of the Hasidic, for example, movements within Judaism is by no means directed against the Gentiles. In addition, the Orthodox treat the Gentiles as if they were deceived brothers. For some reason, you hate us. Think about it: who is right? And who needs all this?
          1. Mwg
            +14
            31 July 2014 17: 02
            Dear Samuel, what are you saying now? For Christians, for Jews, for Gentiles? Here, for example, I’m all one, that of the Gentile, that of the Jew, that of the Christian, that of the Muslim, that of the Buddhist - if only the person was good. Among friends, everything is there. Well, there are no special people, nations, beliefs, religions. A-priory.
            Psychiatrists say that delusions of persecution are an integral part of delusions of grandeur. Buddhists say that the ideal state of mind is balance (a state of rest). Philosophers say that truth is like the sea, no matter which side you drink, the taste will be the same. Let us be calm about denouncing Zionism citizens, keep our peace of mind, get rid of the persecution mania, love the Gentiles and learn the truth. And we will think about others well. Because even the Legionnaire Krysoboi is a kind person.
            1. +6
              31 July 2014 19: 49
              Quote: MVG
              "Let us be calm about the citizens denouncing Zionism, keep our peace of mind, get rid of the persecution mania, love the pagans and learn the truth. And let us think of those around us well. Because even the legionnaire Ratslayer is a kind person."


              This is exactly what the Orthodox Christian Church teaches: - “Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Matthew 19: 18-20)
              And again: - "So in everything, as you want people to do to you, so do you to them, for in this is the law and the prophets." (Matt. 7:12) stop
              1. 0
                April 26 2018 01: 41
                Who is your neighbor? that is the question.
                The expression "animal image" also confuses. This is from ignorance. Beasts from God were given behavior, they think little, they just live. That was meant.
            2. +3
              2 August 2014 11: 23
              Quote: MVG
              Dear Samuel, what are you saying now? For Christians, for Jews, for Gentiles? Here, for example, I’m all one, that of the Gentile, that of the Jew, that of the Christian, that of the Muslim, that of the Buddhist - if only the person was good.

              Here we take for example Yaytsennyuk. Do you think he was originally born that way, or was his Hasidim re-educated?
              Quote: MVG
              Let us be calm about denouncing Zionism.

              Here's how to consider the inhuman stubbornness with which Yaytsenyuk destroys Ukraine and plagues the Russian-speaking population? And if you look at what is happening, how about the struggle of the Hasidim with the Russians and Orthodoxy?
          2. The comment was deleted.
          3. LCA
            0
            31 July 2014 18: 41
            On the site www.vodaspb.ru BER (Login) - Books (chronological) - p. 44
            http://www.vodaspb.ru/russian/indexrus.html

            VP of the USSR
            44. According to your faith, let it be to you ...
            (Holy Book and the global crisis)
            November 2009 - March 27, 2010

            Table of Contents:

            Introduction.
            Version of the Russian Orthodox Church.
            As it was in Russia.
            The appearance of the Gennady Bible and the heresy of the Judaizers in detail.
            Who is Ivan Fedorov and is there any reason to believe that he printed the first complete Bible in Russia?
            From what sources did Ivan Fedorov become known?
            Church reforms of the end of the XVI century and their true goals.
            Cases under Peter I
            From Peter to Alexander I
            Bible society.
            The role of Pavsky and Glukharyov.
            Completion of the transfer.
            Without reliance on authority.
            Deuteronomy is the story of creation.
            Where and how the usurious doctrine of buying the world was legalized.
            How Jesus Christ became “God.”
            Jews in Poland and Russia.
            Biblical interests of the Great Brotherhood in Russia.
            Nicholas I and his struggle with usurious doctrine.
            Funny stories with Firkovich and Tischendorf.
            A bit about the history of the translation of the Bible in the West.
            The role of Luther.
            Can a household economy function normally without usury?
            The financial activities of the Templars.
            What to do?
            1. 0
              28 March 2017 00: 51
              Quote: LCA
              What to do?

              Take off your pants and run.
          4. +8
            31 July 2014 23: 58
            samuil60
            Not respect. Where is it mentioned in the book of Sholchan Aruch that the Zionists, whom 2 thousand years ago did not hear about, are fighting against Orthodoxy? About which 2 thousand years ago no one suspected ??? Blah blah blah! In Russian - kizdezh!
            1. +3
              1 August 2014 06: 59
              my balabol friend, everything’s wonderful ... no one is fighting ... in Syria, they’re not destroying Christians, in Ukraine, too, in a bundle ... why do you need to read books at all ... there is so much untruth ... do not litter your brains, live it’s fun ... but if tomorrow they come for me, then after tomorrow they will come for you ... this is the rule and for many centuries
          5. 0
            29 October 2017 23: 52
            Quote: samuil60
            No need to slander the patriarch whether he likes him or not - we are all human, and who is without sin?

            Is the Patriarch of the Orthodox Church just a man and sinful like all people? Original winked Then for what merits has he been chosen by the Patriarch? What are you talking about here?
        2. Mwg
          +12
          31 July 2014 16: 42
          The surrender of Russia to the West by Peter the Great began - he cut through the "door" to Russia from Europe. So the gentlemen poured into rich Russia to make her poorer and richer themselves. And Peter the Great on the Russian eyes puffed up the peasants burying hundreds of thousands at the construction of St. Petersburg, chopped beards, forced to drink vodka and smoke tobacco. Also IMHO, from sin))
          By the way, since when did they begin to call him the Great? And who started?
        3. Fox
          +2
          31 July 2014 21: 14
          I am not enthusiastic about the patriarch, but the truth is more expensive. Look at the full version of what Cyril said, everything is exactly the opposite.
        4. +6
          1 August 2014 06: 52
          do not dare to pull out of context the words of the patriarch and alter them in your own way and at the same time lie ... in this case you are acting like Goebbels, like the Ukrainian fascists, who flooded the entire space of the Internet with lies ... however, as was said, the enemy of the human race is Satan there is a king of lies, untruths and you serve him in this case ... and what a great Russian you are, you are an ordinary Nazi, a sectarian who has read books on pagan history, fascism started with this once ... and all these books on paganism were composed in the 30-60s of the last century, that is, they were composed literally on the go ... pagans like you sacrifice pride and vanity to their gods, people both in Ukraine and in Syria ... And there is no need to talk about what a great Russian people were, all the more being in the pagan faith ... he was great until he got involved in his time with paganism and began to make sacrifices, shed people's blood on their temples, that is, he became essentially an "animal being" .. . But Thank God, there was and will be Kr a vision of Russia. This made it possible for Russia to leave the wrong path of development and become a great country. Will the moderator pass my comments or not, I don't know. Even if not, I wouldn't be surprised. Because paganism often raises its head and Nazism along with it. You don't need to put plus signs, I'm not proud.
          1. +4
            1 August 2014 15: 54
            Again a lie. I did not change a word from Cyril’s speech; he said everything himself, with his own lips on camera.
            I do not exclude the possibility that the ancient Slavs sacrificed to the gods, although I will not assert this either, especially about human sacrifices. We judge this only by information about the pagan past of Russia from the Russian Orthodox Church. She either destroyed or seized the original sources of information. By the way, Jews and Muslims are not pagans, but rams are sacrificed regularly.
            There is no pagan history of Russia, "history" is "from the Torah", and the chronicle of Russia has tens of thousands of years. The closest starting point of the Slavic chronology "from the creation of the world in the temple of the sun" (ie the signing of a peace treaty with China) is more than seven thousand years ago, and there were even earlier ones, tens of thousands of years ago. And this is not confirmed by books of 30-60 years, but artifacts that can be touched by hands and which are many thousands of years old. And ancient Sanskrit testimonies. I prefer to judge the deeds of my ancestors myself, and not from the words of Cyril, who, in general, is far from being a light. Remind me of the tobacco license?
            I repeat, a lie cannot be for the good. Truth and only truth. And at best, churches and especially Abrahamic ones hide the truth in apocrypha. What can not be taken away from the Russian Orthodox Church, it has become a powerful consolidating factor. But this has nothing to do with the truth
          2. vob
            +2
            4 November 2016 13: 58
            Hey specials! And what kind of animal creatures destroy each other? No need to lie! Vladimir baptized, THOUSANDS HANGED A MAN AND EMPLOYED ON RAFTS ON THE DNEPER!
        5. +1
          9 November 2016 21: 26
          Velikorus, do not carry nonsense. Nobody NEVER spoke about earthen burrows and animals in the Russian Orthodox Church - this is a fake. In the Russian Orthodox Church serve the same patriots of Russia and Russian people like you. But to hate blood brothers, even if you disagree with them in their views on the Creator, is somehow not decent for a Russian person. Something like this...
        6. 0
          April 26 2018 02: 14
          how can you distort so! The Slavs considered these "enlightened peoples" to be barbarians, the patriarch says. According to Europeans, it was impossible to talk with barbarians. This is their point of view, the patriarch leads. In contrast to these "enlightened" Cyril and Methodius, they went to the Slavs. The patriarch says - "although we Slavs have never been barbarians ... for the church all peoples are equal." Where is all this nastiness about which you, dear, write about? !!!
    2. +11
      31 July 2014 09: 59
      About juggling the facts about the origin of Rurik know or guess no more than 5% of the population of Russia.
      Express yourself more clearly. What kind of fraud is it? Official science does not claim that Rurik is a Scandinavian. This is just one of the hypotheses based on known meager chronicles. No more. This data is completely openly and reasonably criticized when trying to verify it with cross-sources. The question is open until other data. DNA analysis is just another brick in the natural process of searching for scientific knowledge. In this case, these are arguments against this theory.
      And the fact that all sorts of "rippers" ascribe to the official science the peremptory and "official" acceptance of this theory as an unshakable fact is nothing more than a lie and an attempt to play on the gullibility of the public. On the basis of which, these "histories" no longer have illusionary dividends.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        +2
        1 August 2014 05: 15
        Quote: abrakadabre
        Official science does not claim that Rurik is a Scandinavian. This is just one of the hypotheses based on known meager chronicles.

        Certainly does not "claim" otherwise. With whom did MV Lomonosov fight "on fists"? What version was introduced into the minds of the overwhelming majority of Russians with the help of the outstanding figure of sentimentalism N.M. Karamzin? Why is MN Zadornov's film "Rurik" hushed up, which should be shown on central channels at least once a quarter?
        1. +1
          13 November 2016 11: 46
          If we take the official historical versions of the development of Russia, then the horror takes. Before the adoption (imposing on us) of the peasantry, we were wretched and ignorant (and it turns out that there was writing, according to archaeologists in Veliky Novgorod). The illiterate and ignorant were before the leaders of Marxism came to power, and the Trans-Siberian railway was built, the railway from St. Petersburg to Nikolaevsk (Murmansk) was built in two years 1915-16 (without party committees, party and Komsomol with convicts), the heaviest bomber "Ilya Muromets "built in the world (and the engines for it the same), etc. By the beginning of the XX century. Russia was one of the 5 largest countries in the world in terms of economic development: USA, Germany, England, France, Russia. According to the American researcher R. Kennedy, by 1900 Russia ranked 4th in the world in terms of world industrial production, its share was 9%. At the same time, the growth rates of the Russian economy over a long period of 1890 - 1914. were the highest among all 5 leading industrial countries in the world. What a "wretched" country was under the tsarist regime. I am not a supporter of the tsar, but I'm tired of reading and hearing that the church and the communists gave everything to my people, and before that it was wild and terrible. Both are trying to present themselves as the saviors of Russia.
      2. 0
        30 October 2017 00: 15
        Quote: abrakadabre
        Official science does not claim that Rurik is a Scandinavian. This is just one of the hypotheses based on known meager chronicles. No more. This data is completely openly and reasonably criticized when trying to verify it with cross-sources. The question is open until other data. DNA analysis is just another brick in the natural process of searching for scientific knowledge.


        Turn on the logic, if Rurik was a Scandinavian, that is, foreign to the Slavs, and the descendants of Rurik ruled Russia, then the Russian language, if it had not become completely Scandinavian, would have had an overwhelming inclusion of Scandinavian words. It is very doubtful that the upper class would begin to learn and apply the plebs adverb in everyday life. Understanding this, no DNA is needed to know that Norman theory is nothing more than an invention of German pseudo-scientists. The purpose of this invention is quite understandable and utilitarian, foreigners, in particular Germans, SHOULD control the unreasonable Slavs, who themselves are not capable of anything. During the time of the Romanovs, under Peter I and later, when their family became, in fact, 99% German, this theory made it possible to legitimize the rule of the Romanovs, to which society had many questions.
        1. ksp
          0
          30 October 2017 00: 29
          Quote: E_V_N
          turn on the ogik if Rurik was a Scandinavian, that is, foreign to the Slavs, and the descendants of Rurik ruled Russia, then the Russian language, if it had not become completely Scandinavian, would have had an overwhelming inclusion of Scandinavian words.

          Why
          In the history of Russia there were periods when the court language was German and French.
          Many borrowed words appeared in Russian - but nonetheless, the Russian language remained Russian.
          Quote: E_V_N
          It is very doubtful that the upper class would begin to learn and apply the plebs adverb in everyday life.

          Keep doubting - but the facts are stubborn things.
          Quote: E_V_N
          During the time of the Romanovs, under Peter I and later, when their family became, in fact, 99% German, this theory made it possible to legitimize the rule of the Romanovs

          You contradict yourself.
          Why then didn’t German replace Russian?
          1. 0
            30 October 2017 07: 09
            Quote: ksp
            In the history of Russia there were periods when the court language was German and French.
            Many borrowed words appeared in Russian - but nonetheless, the Russian language remained Russian.


            Do not confuse the "court language", that is, not the language of everyday communication, but a kind of "slang" of communication among people similar to their native language. If Rurik Norman, then Scandinavian is his mother tongue in which he speaks and thinks in everyday life. Feel the difference?

            Quote: ksp
            Keep doubting - but the facts are stubborn things.


            What are the facts? is the basis of the Russian language a Scandinavian basis? Facts in the studio.


            Quote: ksp
            You contradict yourself.
            Why then didn’t German replace Russian?


            What is your contradiction? Do you not know how the Germans "replaced" the clan of the Russian Romanovs? Yes, the Germans were Russians for the Russians, but they were the German wives of the “Russian” tsars who, in order to receive the authorities, had to be baptized into Orthodoxy to learn and speak Russian, albeit with an accent, but in Russian in everyday life. Therefore, the German apreore could not replace the Russian.
    3. +8
      31 July 2014 10: 09
      Why is it hushed up at the state level, i.e. image. institutions?
      Therefore they are silent, because if they recognize this, then the so-called Tatar-Mongol yoke will be next. Yes
      1. 0
        31 July 2014 11: 45
        Quote: Gomunkul
        then the next will be the so-called Tatar-Mongol yoke.

        I recommend reading or viewing Fomenko Nosovsky’s book, a lot of interesting things can be found out (of course they are not the last resort, but their theory has the right to exist) Speaking of the Tatar-Mongols, I completely and completely agree with them, I have been interested in this for a long time topic, and my assumptions agreed with theirs. So history has many secrets. There were no Tatar-Mongols per se (invasion).
        1. +3
          31 July 2014 12: 19
          In addition to Fomenko and Nosovsky, this fact is also very convincingly proved by many other scholars of Russian history. Analyzing the many inconsistencies and absurdities in the very fact of the existence of the Tatar-Mongol yoke, it is very easy to agree that it really was not there.
          Especially, I remember from one of the authors of this theory, how Soviet geologists who came to Mongolia in the 30s to raise the economy of a feudal backward wild country, asked the local "descendants of Genghis Khan" if they knew that they were once the greatest in the world as an empire that has conquered half the world. To which they widened their narrow eyes in surprise, answering - no! In their country, once a great empire, not even the slightest hint of its former greatness, not even the slightest ghostly trace, has survived.
          1. +3
            31 July 2014 12: 34
            Quote: Svetlana
            In their country, the once great empire, not even the slightest hint of past greatness, even the smallest ghostly trace, has been preserved.

            This is the most important thing. There are no traces.
          2. -4
            31 July 2014 16: 33
            It is interesting that in ancient Russian books (not yet printed), Genghis Khan, Mamai, Batu and other characters of the Horde were painted in Chinese costumes and in various poses of U-SHU (he saw it). Hence the conclusion that they had nothing to do with the Tatars and Mongols.
            1. +4
              3 August 2014 01: 25
              Before going west, Genghis Khan conquered China. And was considered Chinese
              the emperor. Therefore, Chinese formal wear is not surprising.
              The Mongols took a lot of Chinese with them - experts in various
              areas. Descriptions of the campaign were led by the Chinese "chroniclers". Chinese engineers
              they brought with them gunpowder, primitive guns and missiles, with which
              they took fortresses (often the psychological effect was sufficient). Etc.

              For this reason, all the conquests of Genghis Khan and his sons are considered by the Chinese
              their own. And draw on the historical maps of Great China to the Mediterranean Sea ...
          3. 11111mail.ru
            0
            1 August 2014 05: 28
            Quote: Svetlana
            even the smallest ghostly trace.

            This is indirectly confirmed by Ivan Antonovich Efremov, an outstanding paleontologist, whom people know as a science fiction writer. In the book "Road of the Winds" he writes about work in Mongolia and draws attention to how the Mongols water their cattle, using the few sources of water in the Gobi Desert, such as that they have not developed a kind of "culture" of handling water sources, as is typical nomads on the Arabian Peninsula and concludes that they, i.e. Mongols have a short experience of living in these conditions. Those. from the words of the scientist it follows that they have lived in this area for LESS than 700 years. Draw your own conclusions on this issue, and I concluded that Chinis Khan was not a Mongol, which was attributed to him. I read the book of I.A. Efremov in the 70s, therefore I give the wording approximately, but the meaning is conveyed exactly.
        2. +4
          31 July 2014 16: 28
          Fomenko is a parody of history that does not stand up to criticism. Well, what came to mind, then wrote. A kind of PR. The only valuable thought in all this scribbling is that the history of Russia is largely falsified and we will only recognize it by the prophecies of the Russian elders when the famous library of Ivan the Terrible is found. But this will not happen before Russians, and not foreigners, rule Russia, otherwise it will be destroyed forever. Ancient Greek and Jewish sources said that the Russians are not Slavs at all. The Russians are the direct descendants of Yaphet, one of the sons of Noah, and came to the Russian Plain from India about two thousand years ago, the sons of Kia did a great deal with Greece and the peoples of Palestine, and they called the Black Sea Russian. And much more.
          1. +3
            31 July 2014 20: 03
            You are trying in vain to admonish these heretics))) I, as a person with a higher education in history, would burn their books, and maybe I punished the authors as well))
            1. +3
              31 July 2014 20: 39
              Heretics subsequently turned out to be great scientists. Only those who burned them at the stake did not know about it.
              1. +2
                31 July 2014 20: 58
                Yes, only the great scientists did not confuse the Bronze Age with the terry Middle Ages))) and Veliky Novgorod alone did not grow up to 3 or 5 cities)) Well, with the fact that all the authors, Europeans, Arabs, Russians, and Persians came up with overnight Genghis Khan and Old Man of Batu and Nevsky in one person)))
            2. +4
              1 August 2014 00: 01
              And now, as a person with a higher education in history, remind me who else loved to burn books, and in large quantities, with torchlight processions? ... And even a little earlier, along with books and scribblers, they sent to the fire ... It's strange to hear something like that from a person with "tower" ... "When people start burning books, then the real end of human civilization will come." I don't remember who said that, please forgive me, I have no higher education ...
              1. +2
                1 August 2014 16: 35
                E how cunningly I pulled my nose to the nose))) I generally joked)) okay about the arguments, I'm already embarrassed by the fact that the mathematician got into history, why not a plumber, a turner cleaner? Why is it that everyone gets into it without getting into it? I don’t get into the device of the andron calider or I do not press buttons on the machine.
                1. 0
                  2 August 2014 01: 42
                  I’m not a teenager to delay writing ...) The joke was a success - I believed. The mathematician was interested in calculus methods. Mathematician - numbers - numbers - calculations - dating - chronology of historical events. So he got involved ...)) and for a long time. Highly.
          2. +1
            31 July 2014 23: 53
            How many books of Fomenko did you bother to read?
            1. +3
              1 August 2014 16: 47
              one was enough for me. I about Egypt might not argue much, maybe the time there was lengthened a bit, but this did not affect the course of history in any way. This is a special case. But here is a comparison of the Trojan war with the wars of Byzantium, it is strong, children who are just starting to go to the excavations easily separate the Bronze Age from the Iron Age. HOW can I compare ??? And about Novgorod as a three or five city, is everything ok too? Well, Alexander Nevsky, he is Baty, he is Batka, he is Timudzhin. This is insanity, it’s like Lenin, he is Trotsky aka Stalin, aka Hitler. Maybe they didn’t know their opinion, tell me.
              1. +3
                2 August 2014 23: 20
                Just the history of ancient Egypt had to be "lengthened" in accordance
                with finds of the last decades. Radio-carbon analysis of wheat grains
                from the found burials showed that they are even older than expected.
                This method - the main enemy of Fomenko - has been refined recently. Correlation made
                it and sections of tree rings, its and annual layers of Antarctic ice.
                Paradoxical as it may seem, the Ancient World is still more ancient than recently thought.
                History inaccuracies (dark spots) exist, but artifacts sometimes
                testify towards the "shortening" of history, and sometimes - the opposite!
          3. -1
            1 August 2014 08: 31
            Quote: samuil60
            Fomenko is a parody of history that does not stand up to criticism

            minus you for the lack of argumentation, the mathematician Fomenko and his hypotheses were tested on a supercomputer, in his first book he very meticulously and tediously explained precisely the methods and original methods of CROSS checking the existing history, read for a start.
            1. +4
              1 August 2014 20: 06
              Quote: Locksmith
              Fomenko, a mathematician, tested his hypotheses on a supercomputer

              This is what?
          4. azovkazak
            +2
            1 August 2014 08: 41
            In the current state of official historical science, information about past events is more related to the field of "faith" than knowledge. Faith has its own areas of application - "who to believe" and "what to believe".

            The founders of the Russian Empire, Russian communism and the Russian Federation cannot be trusted in the history they represent. These founders are vitally interested in presenting false information when covering past events to justify their own being.
            From the false past through the present lies a direct path to the false future.

            All Russian sources were destroyed by the reformers and therefore we have a false present and have no future. Our task is to restore the truth about the past and get the right direction for the future from the right past.
            The whole world is developing and moving forward along a strictly straight line - the "arrow of time" from the PAST through the PRESENT to the FUTURE.
            In order not to get lost in space (for example, in a forest), a person or a group of people use a compass - a straight arrow indicating a direct direction from the "south" through the "axis" to the "north". In order not to get lost in the time of the world, man, people and civilization should use the "arrow of time" in the present, showing the direction from the past through the present to the future. If you move into the future without a pointer, then with a high degree of "faith - probability" people will find themselves in a curve and cease their existence.


            The falsification of history is necessary for competitors who want to seize the land and other resources from our people. From a false past lies a direct path to a false future - i.e. the non-existence of a people liberating living space and life time to a stranger people who know more about the ways of development and movement in God's world. Restoring the past is the establishment of a point from which a straight line passes, on the continuation of which there is a third point.
            People see the arrow on the compass with their eyes, people can see the "arrow of time" only through their worldview. The enemies know this precisely and deliberately point the wrong direction from the false past. Without presenting the false past in the present, people cannot be directed to the false future for destruction.
            Blind people do not see this and say that knowledge of the true past does not matter. If this knowledge does not matter, then why push and deny the non-essential. The non-essential cannot prevent anyone, the non-visible cannot distract attention from building something.
            We, the Cossacks, need to know the past accurately, as well as to know who, when and how directed the peoples of Russia on the wrong path. Without correcting past mistakes in the present, it is impossible to move forward.
            Fomenko proved the absolute reliability of the Chronology.
          5. 0
            April 26 2018 01: 47
            What nationality was Noah? His children? Imagine, there were no nationalities yet !!!
        3. +1
          31 July 2014 17: 24
          Quote: Sirocco
          There were no Tatar-Mongols per se (invasion).

          There was no invasion, but there was the introduction of a limited contingent of Tatar-Mongolian troops into the territory of Russia lol
          1. 0
            April 1 2017 17: 46
            Quote: ranger
            There was no invasion, but there was the introduction of a limited contingent of Tatar-Mongolian troops into the territory of Russia

            Such a contingent should remain at least for a couple of decades where it was introduced, which was not in Russia bully Roughly speaking, it was a raid, of which there were hundreds of thousands around the world in the relationship of the steppe and forest. More precisely, you need to be my friend, more precisely laughing
        4. +3
          31 July 2014 20: 00
          To read the nonsense of Fomenko, the great and terrible whistleblower of the secrets of history, it's like believing in a living cheburashka !!! lol
          1. -2
            1 August 2014 03: 02
            Quote: Victor Wolz
            Read the nonsense of Fomenko,

            You probably do not read carefully, not only Fomenko. I wrote,
            (of course they are not the last resort, but their theory has a right to exist)
            In your opinion, this nonsense in the history of Russia which centuries have not sucked us in from a series about Cheba? I will not go far, just look at what is happening in Ukraine today, read what they write in modern history textbooks, comments have been written about this here more than once. Or are you still sure that according to Darwin, man came from a monkey ????? About 30 years ago, this theory was not questioned. (of course they are not the last resort, but their theory has a right to exist)
            1. +1
              1 August 2014 17: 30
              Why didn’t you please old Darwin? The fact that the monkey has become an intelligent person in this is God's business! Or do you prefer an alien theory?
            2. +3
              1 August 2014 20: 10
              Quote: Sirocco
              Or are you still sure that according to Darwin, man came from a monkey ?????
              Are you sure of that? Grandfather from the cloud? Whereas he is not a bioconstructor: with his knowledge and such absurdity to build.

              Quote: Sirocco
              30 years ago, this theory was not questioned.
              So she is not refuted today. Is that Fomenko again something on the supercomputer will calculate.
          2. azovkazak
            0
            1 August 2014 08: 44
            Cheburashka is one who does not believe in science, but believes in the fantasies of Schlezer and Scaliger. The truth is one, and any version of it is a lie. Fomenko proved his point.
        5. vob
          0
          4 November 2016 15: 02
          There is no word "theirs". Bad teachers at school or skipping lessons?
        6. 0
          28 March 2017 00: 15
          Quote: Sirocco
          I recommend reading, or viewing, the book of Fomenko Nosovsky

          Historians. I will not quote Lavrov. "The trouble is, since the pie begins to stitch the boots ..."
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    5. +10
      31 July 2014 10: 26
      Well, we have a bunch of doctors of sciences, candidates who defended their studies and received their positions within the "correct" history of the publication of Schletzer and Karamzin. they already feel good. Although. if we recall how quickly the teachers of the political economy of socialism were plano turned into supporters of liberal economics, it’s only a signal from above. There will be a team and prominent historians will tell if Rurik was - a Jew, or a Sioux Indian. Salary is more important.
      1. +3
        31 July 2014 11: 57
        Dear colleagues, to the general heap of recommended literature, I suggest watching a video from the site of KM.RU Anatoly Klyosov: "Scrape the Russian, you will get an aria" -
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWxlcNLMlD4
        A rather interesting conversation about DNA, the history of the emergence of humanity and the Slavs from the standpoint of the science of genetics. This conversation complements this article well.
        1. +1
          31 July 2014 14: 57
          This material, I think, will also be very interesting (I want to especially pay attention to the date of publication). So, the article "The Secret Sources of Visible Rivers", was published in the Journal of Technology of Youth # 8 for 1982, pp. 53-56. I highly recommend reading.
          http://zhurnalko.net/=nauka-i-tehnika/tehnika-molodezhi/1982-08--num53
          http://zhurnalko.net/=nauka-i-tehnika/tehnika-molodezhi/1982-08--num54
          http://zhurnalko.net/=nauka-i-tehnika/tehnika-molodezhi/1982-08--num55
          http://zhurnalko.net/=nauka-i-tehnika/tehnika-molodezhi/1982-08--num56
      2. +5
        31 July 2014 12: 17
        Well, we have a bunch of doctors of sciences, candidates who defended their studies and received their positions within the framework of the "correct" history of the publication of Schletzer and Karamzin. they already feel good.
        This is exactly the case when the conquest of the state takes place not by direct armed seizure, but by substitution of cultural values. And these so-called historians are pouring water on the meligitsu alien to us culture. But the people will see and throw off the veil of lies and, as the popular wisdom says: better late than never. hi
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      4. +2
        31 July 2014 18: 13
        Quote: Petrik66
        Well, we have a bunch of doctors of sciences, candidates who defended their studies and received their positions within the framework of the "correct" history of the publication of Schletzer and Karamzin. they already feel good.

        How right you are. It’s hard to fight them.
    6. +2
      31 July 2014 12: 28
      The names of those in the government are by no means Slavic, nor Russian. What do you want from them?
    7. sergey05
      0
      31 July 2014 13: 54
      Ro populationssii
    8. anomalocaris
      +3
      31 July 2014 16: 15
      From Siberia.
      You are extremely understating. I know that Rurik - the Slavic prince, I knew from childhood. It just so happened request .
      This is not understood only by those to whom a kind of history is absolutely not interesting.
      Although yes, in percentage terms, a lot less people live beyond the Urals than before them (I look from the east).
      1. 11111mail.ru
        0
        1 August 2014 05: 35
        Quote: anomalocaris
        than in front of him (looking from the east).

        That's right, the "great helmsman" declared that the wind from the East will overcome the wind from the West!
    9. dscvr
      +2
      31 July 2014 18: 37
      It’s sad that few people know about it
      here is Zadorov's film "Rurik. The Lost Reality" (for which he became incredibly respected)
    10. +1
      31 July 2014 21: 59
      it turns out there is a video version of this interview with Professor Klyosov
    11. 0
      1 August 2014 13: 30
      The wife of Prince Igor, son of Rurik - Olga. Olga - Oleg the Prophet's sister, Oleg the prophetic - Norwegian - Urman. That’s all for a short time.
      1. +3
        2 August 2014 23: 37
        The names Igor, Oleg are classic Scandinavian. Let's say Rurik is a Slav.
        Why did the Slav need to call the children Scandinavian names?
        After all, there were Slavic: Lord of the world, Holy Glory, All-Volod. They are always two-root.
        In my opinion, the answer is simple: the first princes were Scandinavians, they married
        Slavs and further princes were already Slavs. When Ancient Russia reached
        maximum flowering (under Prince Vsevolod the Big Nest) from the Scandinavians
        only memories remained. The princes of all cities were Slavs.
  2. +10
    31 July 2014 09: 01
    With our educational reforms at the state level, young Russians will soon need to begin to explain who Rurik is ...
    1. 0
      31 July 2014 18: 25
      Quote: Stiletto
      first you’ll need to explain who Rurik is ...

      Well - and they say that the education system is bad !!!! wink
      1. 0
        31 July 2014 20: 50
        Mammoths became extinct, it turns out 3000 years ago, in the Arctic Ocean, some washed off the islands, others washed away, but now it is very difficult to say what was happening there.
  3. _Alien_
    +5
    31 July 2014 09: 14
    The more serious science is, the less myths remain.
    And oh, how many of them, especially in history. wink
  4. Alexander.B
    +5
    31 July 2014 09: 30
    Quote: borisjdin1957
    from the Don.
    About 5% of the population of Russia know or guess about the rigging of the facts about Rurik's origin. Why is it hushed up at the state level, i.e. image. institutions?


    Because we have a "Thousand Years History of Russia". Before that, there were homeless people without writing and without brains. laughing

    There is a small question: how did Rurik get a DNA test?
  5. +9
    31 July 2014 09: 30
    Mikhail Zadoronov, despite the fact that he is not a historian, is also concerned about this issue, made a documentary about Rurik, all interesting (I recommend watching) and collects funds on his website to remove the artistic version
    1. +9
      31 July 2014 10: 25
      Looked. Yes, Zadornov did more to investigate who Rurik is than all of our science and one cannot blame him for Russophilia. Now it becomes important that not who Rurik was and what came before him. I advise you to read the history of Russia from Lomanosov)
      1. +3
        31 July 2014 11: 25
        There are many works on the origin of Rurik (and in general the emergence of Russia) by various historians before and after Lomonosov, and already in our time, but not a single textbook of secondary school refers to these works, but as the dominant one, they present the Norman version of the origin of Rurik. As well as with the origin of man - while Darwin's theory dominates. The reason is always purely political - as more beneficial to the ruling elite. As long as pro-Western forces are close to the ruling structures, the entire educational system in the country will be as they offer and push.
      2. +2
        31 July 2014 16: 50
        where to get from Lomonosov. because during his life they did not print! and his manuscripts went to the notorious Meller and Schletser. and only then edited and printed by them.
  6. +6
    31 July 2014 09: 31
    It would not be a bad thing to check the DNA analysis of those veritable Aryans, English, French, who claim that the Slavs are savages without a clan and tribe.
    An interesting picture will turn out. And maybe someone will be with Slavic genes. Here is a picture of Repin .....
  7. +4
    31 July 2014 09: 33
    Was there such a person Rurik, sho he did where - there is no answer. Only guesswork. Like the entire history of the world before the 10th century, it is a mystery. And under the big question of the century 11-13, in some places and 14 from 15. And until the 18th century there is no complete data. DNA analysis, along with other methods, is very helpful in finding the answer to the question "who is where". But even now this data may be hushed up. Conjuncture-s ...
    1. +2
      31 July 2014 12: 05
      We were still in school talking about the old reckoning until 1700. Now is the year 7522 from the creation of the world. Based only on this, you can understand that it’s not so easy as we are rubbed.
      1. +1
        31 July 2014 14: 56
        Yes, something used to be something that official science doesn’t want to open up to, and that's rubbing about Darwinism and other insanity
  8. -11
    31 July 2014 09: 46
    Personally, it makes no difference to me who Rurik was, even a Scandinavian, even an African
    1. +10
      31 July 2014 11: 09
      Personally, it makes no difference to me who Rurik was, even a Scandinavian, even an African
      I will answer you with a well-known statement: "A people who do not know their past has no future." hi
      1. dmb
        +4
        31 July 2014 15: 13
        Of course, you cannot argue with this, the trouble is different, when history is studied not for knowledge, but in order to say: "I am a Chetlanin, and you guys" - and a bell in the opponent's nose. In my opinion, those who claim the importance of their opinion should not write "Lomanos" and "theirs".
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    3. +3
      31 July 2014 15: 02
      This is noticeable, you have a number instead of a name (nickname), it looks like you are a BOT in life
      1. 11111mail.ru
        0
        1 August 2014 05: 37
        Quote: Velikorus
        you have a number instead of a name (nickname),

        He wrote the date of birth, he forgot to divide the numbers only.
  9. +4
    31 July 2014 10: 11
    that she has no clear reason... And there wasn’t ... if the PVL read carefully, there are no direct references to the fact that Rurik was svede (Swede), Norwegian ... in addition to the PVL, there is not a single mention of the cities of settlements founded by the Scandinavians on the territory of Russia .. The fact that the Russian princes hired the Varangian squads, there is about this ..
    1. +1
      31 July 2014 11: 56
      Supporter of the Norman theory set a minus? wink
    2. +4
      31 July 2014 12: 04
      In the year 6367 (859). The Varangians from the overseas levied tribute to the miracle, and from words, and from Mary, and from Krivichi. And the Khazars took from the glades, and from the northerners, and with the Vyatichi with a silver coin and a squirrel from smoke.
      In the year 6368 (860).
      In the year 6369 (861).
      In the year 6370 (862). They drove the Varangian overseas, and did not give them tribute, and began to rule themselves, and there was no truth among them, and the clan stood up, and they had a wars, and began to fight with each other. And they said to themselves: “Let us look for a prince who would own us and judge rightfully.” And they went overseas to the Varangians, to Russia. Those Varangians were called Rus, as others (Varangians) are called Swedes, and other Normans and Angles, and also other Gotlanders ... And where in the annals or other sources of evidence that the Varangians are Rus are Normans ...
      1. +4
        31 July 2014 13: 02
        Most likely, yes, in general, this is true, all the tribes gave themselves names or were called somehow neighboring tribes by the name of their head, and accordingly, their habitat, too. There are endless examples of this. Only after many centuries and because of the names of these leaders not preserved in historical documents, the connection between the names and the name of the tribe was erased, and the divergence of traditions and ways, the rupture of historical ties between different tribes, the number of which always grew exponentially with the increase in population on Earth and the constant migration of tribes or parts thereof, gradually led to the formation of ethnic groups. Now, Ukrainians consider themselves another ethnic group, descending from ancient ukrov. Only now I don’t understand - they don’t rank themselves as Slavs or us? In YouTube, among the comments of some video, I saw the comment of such a descendant of ancient Ukra. He, in a dispute with someone, writes that Svyatoslav is not Russian, but Ukrainian, because Russia was Kiev, and Svyatoslav was the Kiev prince. It is interesting, when Svyatoslav was the prince of Novgorod, he was then Russian by this logic, and then went over to Ukraine, like Schuster, and became Ukrainian?
      2. 0
        9 September 2017 21: 17
        Rurik came from overseas, with all of Russia!
        With Russian balalaika, Russian vodka, Russian bath, Russian nesting doll, Russian accordion, Russian Mat !!!
        - We are Russians - ZAMORSKY! NOT THAT THESE ARE LOCAL !!!
  10. +7
    31 July 2014 10: 17
    As far as I know from what I read, the term Varangian has no ethnic difference, i.e. the Varangian is not necessarily the Scandinavians, perhaps the majority were the Scandinavians, the Varangian guard in Byzantium consisted not only of the Scandinavians, in fact mercenaries without a clan and tribe, probably the Slavs of Slavs and Novgorod Slovens, and indeed anyone who there was a desire to rob, and so on.
    1. +4
      31 July 2014 16: 45
      The word "Varyag" in Russia was not a designation of a tribe or nation, it meant one thing - "warrior". The Russians called the future Swedes and Norwegians Varangians for their tough temper. But a Russian, skilled in battle, could also be called a Varangian. A simple example: the cruiser Varyag was not named after some Scandinavian. At that time they knew the true meaning of words. By the way, it was in the 20s that many words in the Russian language changed their meaning and often to the opposite.
  11. SEK
    SEK
    +5
    31 July 2014 10: 23
    Doctoral Professor Alekseev is dedicated to this topic. Russian Turkic and Finno-Ugric Russians have no other impurities. Cyril and Methodius robbed the Russian letter and the resulting flawed alphabet. If the Russians did not have a written language, then how did our ancestors draw up a treaty with Byzantium? Almost all pre-Christian Russian annals were destroyed, especially Peter the Great destroyed. Rurik was the last Russian ruler, then the Romanovs who were rewritten the whole story were put on the throne.
    1. +2
      31 July 2014 11: 52
      A bit wrong. The Rurik dynasty continued until the childless son of Ivan the Terrible Fyodor Ivanovich, and the youngest son of his sixth wife was not considered the rightful heir to the throne, but he was also killed just in case to exclude any rivalry. And the first Romanov was in kinship with Rurikovich (Fedor's cousin). History was rewritten by all the rulers of Russia as they needed. As it turned out, during Rurik, too much was written that was beneficial to him, and perhaps thanks to Rurik we really did not know anything about our Doryurik history. Therefore, officially our history counts precisely from the time of Rurik’s reign. But this is completely absurd! The power was large, rich, developed, cultural and independent. Apparently, at the time of Rurik's calling, she needed such a ruler, experienced in military art, to organize a security system. The Varangians were experienced sailors and generals. That is why he was called as the defender of the Russian land with Slavic noble birth (grandson of Gostomysl - the tsar or elder of one of the Slavic tribes), as some Russian chronicles say.
    2. +1
      31 July 2014 16: 56
      Guys, well, you can’t. If you say something, then at least a high school course (not the current one) should be studied. The last in the Rurikovich family was the grandson of Ivan the Terrible - Tsarevich Dmitry, stabbed to death in Uglich. At the age of 16, Mikhail Romanov was called to the throne only because he was the only one (maybe because of his youth) did not participate in the conspiracy of the boyars to surrender Russia to the Poles. And the annals are destroyed and Christian and pre-Christian. By decree of the powers that be. And we, Russians, instead of fighting against the enemies of our people and our country, are nonsense, blaming each other and our ancestors. With Christianity, Russia lived a thousand years, defeated with the help of God all of all enemies. And now YOU have come who want to rewrite history and destroy the millennial faith of Russia to the joy of its enemies. We must learn, gentlemen!
      1. +1
        1 August 2014 23: 55
        Dear samuil60, against Christianity, i.e. veneration and worship of Jesus Christ and his teachings there were no opinions. But the fact that his image and his teachings have become the subject of brisk business in structures called churches, and, regardless of confession, is a completely different matter. Without exception, all religious organizations are engaged in the salvation of human souls only to the extent that it is sufficient to preserve and increase the number of parishioners, who are ultimately the only source of income for churchmen. Those. in fact, all churches worship the golden calf, exploiting the image of the Savior. Naturally, this does not deny the existence of individual ascetics, who dedicated their lives to the Christian Faith, but they themselves became a tool in the greedy hands of churchmen, concerned only with profits. The amount of gold on the domes or the precious decoration of the altar does not speak of the benefactors of the abbot, but of the number and prosperity of the parishioners. Moreover, faith in Christ, a completely reliable historical person, does not justify oblivion, denial and rejection of the knowledge of the past of his people, which, incidentally, is much older than Christ himself. IMHO
        1. 9781
          +2
          6 August 2014 16: 33
          But do we not see all that you have listed in late Greek and Roman paganism? And the magnificent temples and the wealth of the then spiritual elite? The cost of deifying anyone for a certain amount ..? It seems to me, uv. Velikorus, if paganism were the state religion now, you would fight for Christianity with the same arguments and fervor. What people do with teaching is not a problem of learning, but of people ..
  12. +3
    31 July 2014 11: 47
    I agree with bonham, Zadornov’s film on this subject is good.
    1. 9781
      +2
      6 August 2014 16: 36
      Yes, not at all .. Its value, both in the scientific and artistic sense, tends to zero ... Especially pleased with the chain of words - "hard workers" - "goner" - "Varangians" from the verbs))
  13. -4
    31 July 2014 12: 01
    The wife instructed Rurik the horns-horned from history were the Vikings, which means Rurik thanks to the efforts of his Scandinavian wife! wassat wassat wassat
    1. 11111mail.ru
      0
      1 August 2014 05: 43
      Quote: sv68
      Rurik thanks to the efforts of his Scandinavian wife!

      So it was his wife, Rurik, who changed her DNA and nationality? This is the minimum "doctoral" in biology! Publish immediately!
  14. wladimir
    +2
    31 July 2014 12: 26
    Right now, the debunking of Norman theory is needed. at the government level, to force our pundits to declare false promises when writing the history of Russia. I saw on YouTube that historical academics were screaming so that Nosovsky and Fomenko would not go into chronology; they prevented him from sleeping. We must now yell about the historical role of the Slavs, this will contribute to the patriotic upsurge of the population. And the production of film and television from the West is forbidden. The artists were not allowed to enter the New Wave, which means that the festival in the Baltic states is no longer held. Well, etc., the main thing is that the political potential of the leadership was to protect the interests of the motherland.
  15. +1
    31 July 2014 13: 32
    I thought he was the ancestor of Ukrov.
  16. +7
    31 July 2014 13: 39
    Let them return the Russian calendar and the alphabet. Then we'll learn to think. We live in a world invented by the West with its myths and "dark ages", which they cannot explain. The antiquity of the genus is preserved in our language. That is why the Westerners hate him. I recommend reading the work of the famous world scholar and philologist A. Dragunkin - "Five Sensations". It is available in the internet for free and registrations.
  17. +5
    31 July 2014 13: 52
    "When the Slavic Gods return to earth - the world will tremble!"
  18. +3
    31 July 2014 14: 17
    For some reason, everyone forgot that Rurik came not alone, but with his brothers who sat in Russian cities: Rurik in Ladoga, Truvor in Izborsk, Sineus in Beloe Ozero. But then the most interesting thing - they all very quickly went to another world. Or were they sent? According to the Joachim Chronicle (to which V.N.Tatishchev refers), Rurik's wife (apparently the second) was the Urmanskaya princess Efanda (mother of the future Prince Igor). Her brother was the Urmanskiy prince Olga (the future prince Oleg the Prophet). Isn't there an explanation of why the Slavs - the heirs of Gostomysl - so quickly passed away. In addition, there is one more argument: everyone probably remembers the mention of Prince Askold, who came with Rurik, and then asked for free bread in Kiev. There is a suspicion that he was a relative of Rurik, most likely a son from his first wife, since very often a certain Deer coexisted with the name Askold. However, the Byzantines very well remembered Askold, who went to war against them, but they did not hear about Dir. So, according to Joachim's version, there was no Dir, but Askold had a nickname - Dirar (in Sarmatian "stepson"). It is obvious to whom he was a stepson, this also explains his murder by Oleg, who took care of his underage nephew, blood-related.
    1. SEK
      SEK
      +1
      31 July 2014 15: 15
      Actually, Prince Igor was the son of the Prophet Oleg. And Kiev, where mostly Drevlyans lived, was under the Khazar yoke and Kiev Prophet Oleg was freed from the Khazars.
    2. 0
      31 July 2014 15: 44
      Very interesting information. Do not tell the source? I would like to read too. Details of the biography of Rurik and everything that was connected with his reign - in general, some kind of mystery behind seven seals.
      1. +1
        31 July 2014 16: 22
        Quote: Svetlana
        Very interesting information. Do not tell the source?

        source: Russian history from the most ancient times. Vasily Nikitich Tatishchev.
        I read the 1768 edition, the pre-reform Russian language.
      2. SEK
        SEK
        0
        31 July 2014 16: 38
        The works of Professor Rybakov are very informative.
    3. 0
      31 July 2014 18: 28
      Quote: Bully
      Her brother was Urman Prince Olga (future Prince Oleg the Prophet).

      Oleg was not a Scandinavian. The name Oleg is identified with the Scandinavian Helga - the saint. The only thing is that the name Helga appeared in Scandinavia after the adoption of Christianity, and this is the 12 century. And you correctly indicated the name Olga purely Slavic.
      1. -1
        31 July 2014 23: 45
        Oleg’s identity with Helga is proposed by Wikipedia, but it seems to me a more convincing version of the origin of the name Oleg from the word Leg. Lie down are creatures standing one step taller than humans. The challenge facing Lehi is to help people in their Spiritual ascent along the Golden Path of Development. If very simplified, it is something like angels in Abrahamic religions. In the Vedas, the legs have a clear classification in a rather complicated system of world order.
        1. 0
          1 August 2014 11: 45
          Quote: Velikorus
          Oleg’s identity with Helga is proposed by Wikipedia, but it seems to me a more convincing version of the origin of the name Oleg from the word Leg. Lie down are creatures standing one step taller than humans. The challenge facing Lehi is to help people in their Spiritual ascent along the Golden Path of Development. If very simplified, it is something like angels in Abrahamic religions. In the Vedas, the legs have a clear classification in a rather complicated system of world order.

          Yes, not only Wikipedia, a huge layer of books on history indicates precisely this version. But what is pleasing is that the Scandinavian colleagues point out obvious blunders invented by Russian and not only researchers. It’s hard for me to accept your version, I’m used to relying on facts and factual theories, it seems to me from the category of fiction. But it has a place to be, because it relies on the source of the Veda.
  19. +2
    31 July 2014 15: 20
    Quote: Velikorus
    When the head of the Russian Orthodox Church declares that the Slavs are animals and people of the second grade http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvPHTYGwVs, who vegetated in earthen burrows, until some two poets, illuminated by Greco-Roman enlightenment, came and taught Slavs speak and write in their own Russian language.

    Well, this is sobssno, his personal opinion, his "level" of education. This is from the series: which came before - a chicken or an egg? But in fact: there is a chicken and there is an egg. Who will get worse or easier if he finds out that the chicken / egg came before. The dispute is nothing. IMHO.
    1. +1
      31 July 2014 21: 16
      Bullshit, do you compose on the go? Oleg and Igor are the most Scandinavian of all names. And the excavations in Timerovo near Yaroslavl and Gnezdovo near Smolensk, where they found a mass of Thor's hammers, this is so, random Slavic finds. Their Slavs traded with the Scandinavians, purely out of love for the beautiful))) And the fact that their antiquity is older than the arrival of Rurik is also an error in the dates. You would at least read G. Vernadsky a little.
  20. azovkazak
    +1
    31 July 2014 16: 31
    The metropolis of the Great Russian Empire, Tartaria and the Cossack Horde of the XIV-XVI centuries, was called ISRAEL in some chronicles. Tsar Khan ruled the Empire from Vladimir-Suzdal Rus. The second part of the Empire, allied to Russia, which arose as a result of the conquest of the 1453th century, was Osmania = Atamania (Turkey). Tsar-Grad (Istanbul) became its capital in XNUMX. Osmania = Atamania was called a JUDE. It is under such names - Israel and Judea - that the two main parts of the "Mughal" ie the Great Empire were reflected on the pages of the Bible. Let us recall that according to the Bible, Jerusalem is located in Judea, in Turkey, and was once its capital. The ruins of Biblical Jerusalem are still located near Istanbul.
    The word ISRAELIAN can be translated as the DIVINEER, that is, the fighter for God, and the JEWISH - the DIVINEER, that is, glorifying God. These are not the names of peoples, but simply positive epithets.
    Since the XNUMXth century, the memory of the Great = "Mughal" Empire - Tartaria is gradually becoming a thing of the past. An important role in this was played by the historical science of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, which actually carried out the order of the new authorities, vitally interested in avoiding the possible restoration of Tartary by all means. It was necessary to quickly destroy the very memory of her.
    The idea of ​​the reformers was this: in order to prevent the restoration of the Empire, it is necessary that all peoples quickly FORGET THE FACT OF ITS RECENT EXISTENCE. Thus, the order to rewrite all ancient and recent history in the right way pursued exclusively political goals that were vital both for the Western European reformers and their proteges in Russia - the Romanovs. This explains the consistency of the historical falsification that has actually developed according to a single program in different countries. The goal was one. The "imperial idea" itself began to be condemned in every possible way as "chauvinistic". Russia, which was constantly suspected and suspected of trying to restore Tartary, was especially hit and is getting now. They did not like Turkey either.
    As a result, a distorted picture of the past was created, assertively introduced into the minds of people of the 1th-XNUMXst centuries. The main tool of falsification was the incorrect Scaligerian chronology, which cast many genuine events of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries far into the past.
  21. +1
    31 July 2014 16: 52
    Quote: Gomunkul
    I will answer you with a well-known statement: "A people who do not know their past has no future."

    Maybe this is of fundamental importance for you, but to me it’s absolutely on the side of what kind of tribe it was, its historical role in the formation of the state matters. And at least Tatar, of Buryat origin
  22. +1
    31 July 2014 16: 54
    Quote: Velikorus
    This is noticeable, you have a number instead of a name (nickname), it looks like you are a BOT in life

    I’m embarrassed to ask what kind of life are you, if you have such a nickname?
    1. 0
      31 July 2014 23: 54
      In life I am Russian, who is not indifferent to the true past of his people and their future. A person who believes that a lie cannot be for the good, and the Truth is truth, no matter how bitter it may be. For the lie is from Satan, and his name is evil.
  23. 0
    31 July 2014 18: 09
    Thanks for the article, another proof in the piggy bank Slavic Rurik. Archeology has repeatedly proved the Slavic roots of the northern fortresses of Ladoga, Izborsk, Novgorod, Pskov and so on.
    However, the question arises: why did we find two haplogroups in the Rurikovich?

    There is nothing strange here, in all Western chronographs, the connection between the Slavs and the entire Western world is clearly described. Married sons, married daughters. So no wonder.
  24. LCA
    0
    31 July 2014 18: 32
    On the site www.vodaspb.ru BER (Login) - Books (chronological) - p. 45. The basics of sociology. t.2. Part 3. Book 1. (A-5 format).

    Chapter 8. The global historical process in its specifics - page 6
    8.1. Problems of research in the field of history - p. 8 - 33
    8.2. Different versions of world history - pp. 33 - 64
    8.3. Globalization: the objectivity of the process and the problems of subjectivity in its management - pp. 59-64
    8.4. The concept of managing historically real globalization - p. 64 -101
  25. LCA
    +1
    31 July 2014 18: 36
    On the site www.vodaspb.ru BER (Login) - Books (chronological) - p. 2
    http://www.vodaspb.ru/russian/indexrus.html

    2. Providence is not “algebra” ...

    (On the work of mathematicians at Moscow State University A.T. Fomenko and G.V. Nosovsky on the formation of a model of real chronology of History based on mathematical processing of chronicles narratives)
    October 4 - 14, 1996

    The present work is devoted to the analysis of the work of mathematicians at Moscow State University A.T. Fomenko and G.V. Nosovsky’s revision of the traditional chronology of history based on the application of mathematical methods to a formal analysis of the narratives of historical chronicles.

    How is history different from historical myth? What are the methodological errors of the works of Fomenko and Nosovsky? Why cannot the chronology of history be restored solely on the basis of astronomical phenomena?

    In connection with the wide distribution of the works of Fomenko and Nosovsky, the book will be useful to everyone who studies and is interested in history, especially history teachers, students of historical faculties of universities.
  26. +1
    31 July 2014 18: 50
    South Baltic Slavs - who is this? Lyakhi?
    1. +1
      1 August 2014 11: 46
      Quote: Const
      South Baltic Slavs - who is this? Lyakhi?

      Bodrichi, lyutichi, rugi, Vendians, etc. There is a good book on this topic by the Russian historian Slavophile of the 19th century. Alexander Fedorovich Gelferding "When Europe was ours"
  27. 0
    31 July 2014 20: 45
    All that can be "denigrated", "whitewashed" is not history, but propaganda and ideology, fiction and journalism, and history has no emotional assessments. Very few people deal with real history - there is no order.
  28. Asan Ata
    +1
    31 July 2014 23: 39
    My friend, a Kazakh, comes from the Albanian clan, whose territories are in the Almaty region of Kazakhstan, have the same haplogroup. Maybe Rurik Alban? Then do not carry nonsense. There is no Russian haplogroup, or rather, all peoples, except the island ones, are in a good mix, or didn’t you like other women?)))))))))))
    1. 0
      4 August 2014 22: 57
      There is no contradiction. The presence and probable history of the appearance of such a haplogroup in Kazakhstan was considered by A. Klesov in the article “Southern Siberia - the birthplace of future Slavs and Western Europeans”http://topwar.ru/55434-aklesov-yuzhnaya-sibir-rodina-buduschih-slavyan-i-zapadny
      h-europeycev.html

      Why is the African ancestor normal, and the West Siberian is bullshit?
  29. 0
    1 August 2014 01: 07
    Now there are almost no "pure" races and peoples, and what difference does it make what kind of blood flows in you .. The main thing is who you feel yourself. But the historical Truth must not be hushed up. Even in jurisprudence there is the concept of "newly discovered circumstances", and changes must take place in the historical Truth. Even if they are unpleasant for a certain ethnic group (even for us). Unpleasant moments in history give no less reason for reflection than "hurray-we-have-all-torn." And the more pleasant moments such as in this article. Although - the Scandinavians, Slavs, Scythians - we are who we are. We are ready for centuries to expose the backbone to Our master, but any foreign mongrel will rage at the moment. Everyone will rise - from small to large. And in general, no one will ask a question about nationality or origin.
  30. +1
    1 August 2014 06: 33
    Article ++ good Looking at the article’s rating, it’s clear that someone really doesn’t like the truth. bully
  31. azovkazak
    0
    1 August 2014 08: 48
    In the current state of official historical science, information about past events is more related to the field of "faith" than knowledge. Faith has its own areas of application - "who to believe" and "what to believe".

    The founders of the Russian Empire, Russian communism and the Russian Federation cannot be trusted in the history they represent. These founders are vitally interested in presenting false information when covering past events to justify their own being.
    From the false past through the present lies a direct path to the false future.

    All Russian sources were destroyed by the reformers and therefore we have a false present and have no future. Our task is to restore the truth about the past and get the right direction for the future from the right past.
    The whole world is developing and moving forward along a strictly straight line - the "arrow of time" from the PAST through the PRESENT to the FUTURE.
    In order not to get lost in space (for example, in a forest), a person or a group of people use a compass - a straight arrow indicating a direct direction from the "south" through the "axis" to the "north". In order not to get lost in the time of the world, man, people and civilization should use the "arrow of time" in the present, showing the direction from the past through the present to the future. If you move into the future without a pointer, then with a high degree of "faith - probability" people will find themselves in a curve and cease their existence.
    The falsification of history is necessary for competitors who want to seize the land and other resources from our people. From a false past lies a direct path to a false future - i.e. the non-existence of a people liberating living space and life time to a stranger people who know more about the ways of development and movement in God's world. Restoring the past is the establishment of a point from which a straight line passes, on the continuation of which there is a third point.
    People see the arrow on the compass with their eyes, people can see the "arrow of time" only through their worldview. The enemies know this precisely and deliberately point the wrong direction from the false past. Without presenting the false past in the present, people cannot be directed to the false future for destruction.
    Blind people do not see this and say that knowledge of the true past does not matter. If this knowledge does not matter, then why push and deny the non-essential. The non-essential cannot prevent anyone, the non-visible cannot distract attention from building something.
    We, the Cossacks, need to know the past accurately, as well as to know who, when and how directed the peoples of Russia on the wrong path. Without correcting past mistakes in the present, it is impossible to move forward.
    God bless Fomenko for restoring the true history of Russia.
  32. azovkazak
    0
    1 August 2014 08: 56
    The metropolis of the Great Russian Empire, Tartaria and the Cossack Horde of the XIV-XVI centuries, was called ISRAEL in some chronicles. Tsar Khan ruled the Empire from Vladimir-Suzdal Rus. The second part of the Empire, allied to Russia, which arose as a result of the conquest of the 1453th century, was Osmania = Atamania (Turkey). Tsar-Grad (Istanbul) became its capital in XNUMX. Osmania = Atamania was called a JUDE. It is under such names - Israel and Judea - that the two main parts of the "Mughal" ie the Great Empire were reflected on the pages of the Bible. Let us recall that according to the Bible, Jerusalem is located in Judea, in Turkey, and was once its capital. The ruins of Biblical Jerusalem are still located near Istanbul.
    The word ISRAELIAN can be translated as the DIVINEER, that is, the fighter for God, and the JEWISH - the DIVINEER, that is, glorifying God. These are not the names of peoples, but simply positive epithets.
    Since the XNUMXth century, the memory of the Great = "Mughal" Empire - Tartaria is gradually becoming a thing of the past. An important role in this was played by the historical science of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, which actually carried out the order of the new authorities, vitally interested in avoiding the possible restoration of Tartary by all means. It was necessary to quickly destroy the very memory of her.
    The idea of ​​the reformers was this: in order to prevent the restoration of the Empire, it is necessary that all peoples quickly FORGET THE FACT OF ITS RECENT EXISTENCE. Thus, the order to rewrite all ancient and recent history in the right way pursued exclusively political goals that were vital both for the Western European reformers and their proteges in Russia - the Romanovs. This explains the consistency of the historical falsification that has actually developed according to a single program in different countries. The goal was one. The "imperial idea" itself began to be condemned in every possible way as "chauvinistic". Russia, which was constantly suspected and suspected of trying to restore Tartary, was especially hit and is getting now. They did not like Turkey either.
    As a result, a distorted picture of the past was created, assertively introduced into the minds of people of the 1th-XNUMXst centuries. The main tool of falsification was the incorrect Scaligerian chronology, which cast many genuine events of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries far into the past.
    1. +1
      3 November 2016 21: 01
      Wow, here he is one of the representatives of the marvelous Fomenkoid race)) This created you distorted. It is impossible to massively falsify history without preliminary global conspiracy, which is possible only with a totalitarian unified world government that has not yet arrived.
      And in order to demonstrate the sheer insanity of the judgments of the Fomenkoids in the field of word formation, I will give an example - here you have a nickname "azovkazak". Everyone knows that at the turn of the 20th and 21st centuries, the cultivation of sunflowers was developed on this territory (Azov region), and one of the main products - the Azov kozinak - was sold throughout the CIS. Also, Cossack is a Turkic word meaning "vagrant". Therefore, the strange phrase "azovkazak" actually means "bum loving kozinaki".
      1. +1
        8 November 2016 19: 27
        Dear, and you have discovered something new in the etymology of the word "Cossack". I congratulate you, "KOZINAK" You are ours.
  33. +1
    1 August 2014 16: 25
    To the topic of the Tatar-Mongol yoke: It has long been a proven medical fact that the blood group of an individual human individual is inherited from parents. That is, if your dad has a blood type III (B), and your mother has a blood type I (0), then you must have either a III (B) blood type or I (0) blood type. If it turns out that you had a blood group II (A), then your biological father is a completely different individual than your legal father.
    Moreover, it was found that in various peoples certain blood groups are predominant. For example, in Russians and Belarusians more than 90% of the population have I (0) blood group. However, like the vast majority of European nations. Exceptions are extremely rare.
    One of these exceptions is ethnic Ukrainians, in whom up to 40% of the population have III (B) blood type. But that is not all.
    III (B) blood type is a hallmark of peoples whose recent ancestors led a nomadic lifestyle - Arabs, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Mongols and the same Tatars. In all of the above peoples, the frequency of the presence of III (B) blood groups in general approaches 100%.
    Now recall one of the most repeated places of the myth of the "Tatar-Mongol yoke." Like, for centuries the evil Horde have raped Russian women, and therefore there is a lot of “Tatar blood” in “Russian blood”. In other words, given that in the traditions of the invaders and enslavers of the "Mongolo-Tatars" there was massive sexual violence against the conquered female population, while contraception was practically absent then, according to statistics, half of the children born as a result of the aforementioned violence should have III (B) blood type.
    So, it is the blood group, this miraculous marker, that shows that more than 90% of Russians and Belarusians have the first blood group, like all other Europeans, by the way. And if the terrible tales of the “Tatar-Mongol yoke” had a real basis, then the percentage of individuals with a third blood group would be much higher. Like in Ukraine, for example. In the meantime, medical statistics show that among Russians and Belarusians the proportion of blood group III (B) in the total of all four blood groups does not exceed 3-4%.
  34. 0
    2 August 2014 15: 13
    Interesting article. I have not understood for a long time why our historians say with such emotion that, they say, they invited the Scandinavian (Rurik) to rule. And now, if this is true, it turns out that this is not a Scandinavian at all! Haha
  35. 9781
    0
    6 August 2014 16: 42
    In general, an incomprehensible article ... On a profile forum about haplogroup N it is said that it is typical of northern peoples and is most often found among Finns and Swedes. More than 1% of Kalmyks and Tatars possess R50, and not exclusively Europeans. In general, according to haplogroups, nationality is NOT determined !!
  36. mkpu 73-77
    0
    10 August 2014 05: 09
    For the first time I looked into the heading "History" and immediately caught on the name "Klyosov". The conclusions that this scientist makes on the basis of his research will be argued for many years! After all, he encroached on the fact that for 200 years the official historical science has been talking - Rurik is a Varangian (Scandinavian) and before him the Slavs (at least the eastern ones) did not have a state. For me - so let the learned men break their spears!
    For myself, after reading some publications by Klyosov, I realized that a marker or a label (the correct name is the lot of scholars of scholars) R 1 a is a hallmark of the Slavs. And this is probably no one disputes!
    What do academicians and professors argue about? Did Klesov correctly track the path R 1 a from southern Siberia and Altai through Anatolia to Europe and further through the northern Black Sea coast to the southern Urals, and from there to India and Iran and again to Europe - through Anatolia to the Balkans and, possibly, through North Africa to Spain ...
    Wow historical detective! Eh?! .. Well, he appeals to me. In the constructions of Klyosov, I do not see any special quirks and exaggerations (from my tower). And let the scientists argue. After all, they filled up tons of paper based on the "Varangian" theory. They will spoil Klyosova a lot of blood!
    For those who accept Klesov, world history takes on great harmony. Read Klyosov - you will not regret it !!
  37. 0
    31 October 2016 17: 05
    Quote: Slavs
    And now, as a person with a higher education in history, remind me who else loved to burn books, and in large quantities, with torchlight processions? ... And even a little earlier, along with books and scribblers, they sent to the fire ... It's strange to hear something like that from a person with "tower" ... "When people start burning books, then the real end of human civilization will come." I don't remember who said that, please forgive me, I have no higher education ...

    Now tell us who, before the neopagans, promoted the theory of racial superiority and hated the Jews?
  38. 0
    31 October 2016 17: 21
    Quote: kronor
    Actually, Prince Igor was the son of the Prophet Oleg. And Kiev, where mostly Drevlyans lived, was under the Khazar yoke and Kiev Prophet Oleg was freed from the Khazars.

    Kiev was built against the Khazar border fortress Sambat, on the other side.
  39. 0
    31 October 2016 17: 35
    I explain to stupid neopagans: in Russia about 1300 people from 143 million did DNA analysis to determine the haplogroup, in Ukraine more than 200 people out of 45 million. This is a tiny percentage of the country's population and it is impossible to draw conclusions on it.
  40. 0
    1 November 2016 16: 16
    Quote: ArMax
    This is exactly what the Orthodox Christian Church teaches: - “Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Matthew 19: 18-20)

    Right. But the “neighbors” for the church (any) are co-religionists. And all the rest are very distant, if not to say ENEMIES.
    1. 0
      April 26 2018 02: 01
      Meanwhile, Christ considered neighbors not necessarily co-religionists or blood relatives. Somehow they don’t want to think. They read bluntly 100 times, they don’t want to understand. A person who does not follow Christ does not have the right to be called a Christian, even if his forehead is broken, even if all the rites are performed. No good or bad nations, 2000 years of this discovery. And you are all for yours!
      1. +1
        April 26 2018 02: 43
        Namely, there is neither a Jew nor a Hellen (s)
      2. 0
        April 26 2018 05: 37
        And we are not talking about Christ in this case. The conversation is about the church, i.e. about a religious institution created by PEOPLE to satisfy their needs.
        1. 0
          April 27 2018 11: 19
          No, the church does not divide either. But individual "believers" - very often!
  41. 0
    1 November 2016 16: 20
    Quote: Anton Yu
    I explain to stupid neopagans: in Russia about 1300 people from 143 million did DNA analysis to determine the haplogroup, in Ukraine more than 200 people out of 45 million. This is a tiny percentage of the country's population and it is impossible to draw conclusions on it.

    I do not consider myself either a "neo-" or a "pagan", but ... is it necessary to insult those who believe differently than you? So much for your "neighbors" ...
    1. +1
      14 November 2016 16: 36
      The word dumb is not an insult. What faith are you talking about? Neopagans are a group of people who, with the money of Soros, came up with their own world. I would have nothing against them if they lived in their Parallel Universe and didn’t touch anyone. But they are trying with their nonsense to powder the brains of ordinary people. I strongly disagree with this. In addition, they spread anti-Semitism.
  42. 0
    3 November 2016 20: 56
    The author is lying. Haplogroup N is not Slavic.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D0%BF%
    D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BF%D0%B0_N
    _(Y-%D0%94%D0%9D%D0%9A)
  43. 0
    3 November 2016 23: 05
    Quote: samuil60
    No need to slander the patriarch whether he likes him or not - we are all human, and who is without sin?

    In your opinion, what does the patriarch say in the video lie? Well, you were enough to see too much. He himself said this, no one pulled his tongue and did not torture him with hot iron. And this is not slander. Slander is a lie without proof. And this video is proof.
    At the expense of sins. My sins are my sins. And the sins of the patriarch are his sins. And the phrase "who is without sin" does not make us equal in sins, and therefore forgiving him these words when he calls the Slavs pigs is NOT. This is hatred for the entire Russian people. What kind of slander is there - this is his true face, and what this Church will lead us, the Slavs, only the Devil knows. A true Christian from God (following the commandments of Christ) will never call any nation pigs.
  44. 0
    4 November 2016 17: 49
    the adoption of the Ruriks in the reign was adopted by various settlements and fortresses in Russia. it is a fact . and they were the Vikings. it is a fact . Slavs founded Rome. 40% of German cities were founded by Slavs. Etruses. in India and China few but found the roots of the Slavs. Turkic roots were also found in the Scandinavians. not engaged in the construction of races ancient. as it turned out and rode. hi
  45. 0
    5 November 2016 12: 55
    Somewhere I met information that Rurik had a Slavic grandfather. But that is not the question. And on what material was the analysis done and how many generations did the control sample fail to reach Rurik?
  46. 0
    12 November 2016 12: 56
    When visitors to the site, and indeed the broad masses of people, get acquainted with the modern point of view of science on what a nation is - a nation is a community of people that is held together by a system of views - most often myths, but it can also be a religion.
    From this point of view, the origin of the Rurikovich does not matter at all - the best and most patriotic dynasty of Armenian kings was of Persian origin, which is completely well-known and certain. One of the most patriotic princely families in Armenia, which traditionally held the highest posts in the army, was traditionally credited with Chinese origin
    When Rurik’s origin is given such great importance, this means only one thing - the origin and formation of the Russian nation and the Russian people are associated with it. But as I said, the people are formed by a completely different system of ties. And the state, in order to be successful, should take into account the originality of its own people as much as possible, therefore, in the question of building and forming the Russian state, the origin of Rurik does not matter at all.
  47. 0
    13 November 2016 15: 25
    The Scandinavians in Russia were not only guests or invaders. After the Battle of Poltava, Peter the First! Put on the ground "captured Swedes, here's the Scandinavian genes in Penza and Cheburashka in Saratov.
    The Scandinavians could not crush the Slavs in any way, their statehood appeared only in the 13 century, they began to melt iron 1000 years later, and the Scandinavian peninsula was populated 5000 years later than the Russian Plain, during the last glaciation there was an ice dome, a center of glaciation.
  48. 0
    19 November 2016 11: 21
    here they messed up something: haplogroup N it not Slavic! and not European at all! and they say allegedly "two-thirds of Ruriks" were like that, - does not add up, !!
  49. 0
    9 December 2016 06: 14
    It is strange that Rurik had DNA at all. It's time to invent something new. Because the narrow-minded theories of the "Westernizers" and "Slavophiles" cannot be compared with the theories of the extraterrestrial origin of Russian bosses.
    Both theories are flawed from the start, both theories are invented to cheat people, to distract them from the present day. Why, we are so careless, because our ancestors are "unknown animals". Or vice versa: "What, in fact, am I doing here, I am a descendant of the Varangians, I will rush to my" homeland "." But the alien theory of the origin of everything and everyone in Russia is beautiful. Perhaps she will again call us into Space, encourage us to explore new planets. And there, you see, the industry will catch up.
    But, in my opinion, everything is much more commonplace. The gozmans have not been through since the 1776th century, they decided to look deeper. But for them and others like them, the history of mankind begins in 4, exactly from July 1492. True, there was still some kind of Columbus with his XNUMXth year. But this is more a "friend" of Rurik than a real character today.
  50. 0
    28 February 2017 16: 55
    Varyagia (or Vagriya, if distorted as a romanized numbed "Herman") is the current Northeast Germany (Schwerin, Rostock, etc.). The name already in the "Dark Ages" long ago ceased to be tied to the name of the tribe, as, for example, Perm the Great and Perm Vychegodskaya in the 14th century. Whether Varyagia was a part of the land of Bodrich, or Bodrich were part of Varyagia, is not an important issue. The main thing is that Rurik with the brothers literally from the "Varangians-Russia". That is, Russia Varyazhskaya, and Russia, as you know, was a lot of different, White Russia is still standing, and again as a separate power, which is very significant. Varyagia (i.e., the northern part of the Bodriche range) was conquered in the 12th century by the then crusaders, and was Germanized. As a result, the Vikings are Russia, Russia is the "universal" name of one of the many Slavic powers, showing the unity of a common root. And Rurik himself is a Varangian-Rusich-Slav-and further to the common root .. up to Rasich and Race. As Comrade Sukhov said, are there "questions"? In my opinion, there are no questions.
  51. 0
    28 February 2017 17: 12
    As for haplogroups R1a and N, there should not be a dispute, but a reasonable combination. Firstly, the entire so-called Russian North is actually flooded with haplogroup N. And this haplogroup is not “Scandinavian,” although it is also widely represented in “Land of Skanda,” but not as much as haplogroup I (and, oh, as you read, that’s not the point). We can say that N and R1a are both, so to speak, “Russian,” since both are represented very widely in the modern Russian superethnos. How this happened is a mystery that cannot be explained by modern theories. There is a fact, but there is no clear justification. What kind of “phenomenon” is this? So far I have found the only “trace” that can lead to an explanation. Namely, the Vedic legends about the 4 genera of the Race and the 4-color Swastika, and the formula there was “2+2”: Here you have 2 root haplogroups in one bottle. But you can’t drink away your paternal kinship, even if you live on the same street for 10 years, which is what had to be proven.
  52. 0
    April 9 2017 21: 01
    Quote: samuil60
    Dear Velikorus! No need to slander the patriarch whether he likes him or not - we are all human, and who is without sin? Just modern pagans, having read the “Veles books” (published, by the way, on JEWISH money, so you know) for some reason do not think about the fact that the Zionists have been fighting against Orthodoxy for two thousand years. They fight not for life, but for death. According to the book of Sholhan-Arukh, a faithful Jew, passing by an Orthodox church or house where a Christian (Akum) lives, must curse him. Every Jew does not mention the temples and houses of the pagans (goyim) in this handbook. And all the activity of the Hasidic, for example, movements within Judaism is by no means directed against the Gentiles. In addition, the Orthodox treat the Gentiles as if they were deceived brothers. For some reason, you hate us. Think about it: who is right? And who needs all this?

    Stick your “Christian Orthodoxy” in one place! And look at what year Christianity began to be called “Orthodox”. Until now, almost no one knows what it was called and said. And they said “devout Christianity.” Just as they now say “devout Islam” or “orthodox”. And there is no point in selling the struggle of Jews and others against Christianity! The fight is against the SLAVRY! Christianity has nothing to do with it at all. If we were Catholics or Jews or Muslims, there would still be a struggle to destroy the SLAVRY and its genotype! Open your eyes and ears already! Do you really not care about seven thousand years of Slavism, destroyed by one stroke of the pen of Peter the Great?!
  53. 0
    9 September 2017 21: 14
    We are from the Russian family - Karl, Inegeld, Farlaf, Veremud, Rulav, Gud, Ruald, Kari, Frelav, Ruar, Aktevu, Truan, Lidul, Fost, Stemid - sent from Oleg, the Grand Duke of Russia, and from everyone who is at hand him, - the bright and great princes, and his great boyars, to you. Leo, Alexander and Constantine, great autocrats in God, Greek kings
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  55. 0
    18 March 2018 13: 05
    Shukur Allah!!!
  56. +1
    April 6 2018 19: 37
    The Polabian Slavs speak Russian!!!! Read their modern writings. Here at Moscow State University. Comrade Lomonosov (who, by the way, defended this particular theory) has a department of Polabian Sorbian languages! There is an old language textbook, from Tsarist Russia (on the information network).
    So these are our relatives from Laba! Where the Fraternal GDR was!

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"