Israeli army continues shelling Gaza

According to the ITAR-TASS With reference to the Reuters news agency, the Palestinian Enclave’s health ministry said that on Wednesday, during the Israeli military погиб Frontier of Defense ’military operation in the Gaza Strip, 21 was killed by a Palestinian.

It is noted that 13 people died as a result of a tank attack on a refugee camp in the northern part of Gaza. Another 8 people died in other areas.

Earlier it was reported about the ignition of a large fuel tank, which supplied the only power plant in the city of Gaza. As a result, most of the sector lost electricity.

Since the start of Operation Frontier Defense, Palestinian 1224 has been killed, more than 7 thousands have been injured. The Israeli side killed 53 military and 3 civilians.

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[Giant thought]

Pointless bloodshed continues.

[subbtin.725]

You can condemn Israel as much as you like, but their leadership acts exclusively in the interests of the Jews.How many can you do kazanas with impunity in peaceful cities? It’s a pity the Arabs in Gaza, but we are not clues to them, everything is so confused there; as far as I can remember, they constantly fight there. God be their judge. Ultimately, all wars always end in negotiations.

[dr.Bo]

Quote: Giant thought

Pointless bloodshed continues.

For Palestine, this is a war for the truth.

[Dan4eG]

And where is the news with the headline: "Hamas continues to bombard Israel" ???

[And Us Rat]

The padded jacket must have been copied from geyropeyskih resources, not a single mention of Hamas and its war crimes, the article is all twisted as if we are hunting civilians. Not an article, but a hypocritical libel. (Author - I wish you to earn an ulcer in the language)

Py.Sy. 90% of peaceful palaces die not from bombing and shelling, but from the secondary detonation of weapons that Hamas stores under residential buildings, and when retreating it mines for non-removability, often locking residents inside by minining the front doors! These scum try to kill as many of their civilians as possible, in pursuit of world sympathy. Inhumans.

[tilix]

But still, far to Syria.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: And Us Rat

Vatnik probably copied from geyropeyskih resources

A padded jacket will come now and all Jews will know what crimes Israel committed yesterday

[Dazdranagon]

Since the start of Operation Frontier Defense, Palestinian 1224 has been killed, more than 7 thousands have been injured. The Israeli side killed 53 military and 3 civilians.

- out of these 1224, how many terrorists? Aw, fellow citizens of Israel!

[tilix]

More than in Chechnya, how much did you ruin there?

[Zamachus]

eureka you stir up water everywhere only here on Kalomoisky and so on.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Zamachus

eureka you stir up water everywhere only here on Kalomoisky and so on.

And head straight for the gas chambers? Dream on Natsik.


This land has always been ours, now ours, and will be ours.

[miraculous]

and will be ours

Well, do not promise, most likely it will be conquered by the Arabs and American friends will no longer help) And judging by the increase in the number of militants and the rapid growth of territories, the American organization "Islamic State of Iraq and Levianta" - it will be very soon. Your army at the time to bomb not the positions of the regular army of Syria, but these militants)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Zamachus

give land they are not yours

As far as I remember from a story that is generally accessible and recognized by the whole world, Jews lived there long before the coming of Christ. But I don’t know for what *** the Arabs went there. They probably saw that the neighbors were living well, and they decided to get hold of a stranger good.

As for Gaza itself, Israel got it as a result of war with Egypt, it used to be its territory. Israel after the war wanted to return Gaza, but Egypt categorically refused to sign a peace treaty with Israel if Gaza was returned to them. See Egypt understood and well I knew that people live in Gaza and the warrior with Israel was an excellent reason to get rid of ballast in the form of Gaza.
This is the first time in the history of Israel, the Jews so blasphemed agreeing to keep Gaza

[Klim2011]

From the same story: in the territory of Argentina, Aborigines also lived in the territory of the USA, and yes, finally, why did Yermaka go to Siberia?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Klim2011

From the same story: in the territory of Argentina, Aborigines also lived in the territory of the USA, and yes, finally, why did Yermaka go to Siberia?

No, not from the same. If you don’t even notice the difference here, I don’t know. It's just too lazy to chew on you.

[Klim2011]

A familiar feeling, if only he could not reach the state of a cat, well, the one who stepped on the eggs and screamed, because there was laziness to get up.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Klim2011

, well, the one who stepped on the eggs and screamed

And how often do they crush you?

[Klim2011]

I did not have time to answer, as the glory wrote to you. I’m cooler than not responding, sorry

[slava11]

Thinking people have recently been worth its weight in gold. Thank you for being like you.

[DanG73]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

As for Gaza itself, Israel got it as a result of war with Egypt, it used to be its territory. Israel after the war wanted to return Gaza, but Egypt categorically refused to sign a peace treaty with Israel if Gaza was returned to them. See Egypt understood and well I knew that people live in Gaza and the warrior with Israel was an excellent reason to get rid of ballast in the form of Gaza.
This is the first time in the history of Israel, the Jews so blasphemed agreeing to keep Gaza

Why again step on a sick mazol. Or is it your therapy like this?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: DanG73

Why again step on a sick mazol. Or is it your therapy like this?

I don’t understand, I’m from Russia, I’m on a drum to Gaza, whatever you want to do with it. You would have returned it to Egypt and now it would have been Cairo’s hemorrhoids.
So dear or I did not understand you, or you are writing from Gaza

[tilix]

We would be totally in favor, but Egypt will not want Hamas to be the lesser brothers of "Muslim brothers". And Egypt itself is shaky on this topic.

[STALGRAD76]

EEEEE you do not compare fried eggs with God's gift

[And Us Rat]

Quote: STALGRAD76

EEEEE you do not compare fried eggs with God's gift ...

Oh yes, how could we forget ?!
"What is permitted to Jupiter is not permitted to a bull"

Can you still recall Angola with Afghanistan? Or Korea and Vietnam? (And do not excuse yourself, there is even blood on you with the amers)

[STALGRAD76]

Offer repent?
"Blood on you"-without evidence
"What is permitted to Jupiter is not permitted to a bull" I didn’t mean chauvinism, I’m talking about completely different roots of conflicts ...

[Stypor23]

Quote: And Us Rat

Can you still recall Angola with Afghanistan? Or Korea and Vietnam? (And do not excuse yourself, there is even blood on you with the amers)

Lies, you’re talking about it and provocation. And America was completely bathed in blood. And we are good. And I want to destroy all the militants. And finally make Russian the official language as much as you can mock people.

[Death Nik1]

Quote: Stypor23

.And finally make the official Russian language as much as you can mock people.

There are places where you hear Russian more often than Hebrew. Advertisements in many state. Institutions are duplicated in Russian. A network of evening schools with the teaching of Russian for children. In Syria (Russia's ally), recently introduced the Russian language as a second foreign language, in our country it has been introduced for 20 years. Many of the older generation learn 25 Hebrew words from the force of 10 years, there is no practice all the time in Russian and communicate at work and at home .. Russian TV channel, Russian radio, Russian party and the Russian-speaking foreign minister. The whole army speaks Russian obscenities. In my city nearby are Korolenko Square and Victory Square with a monument with the Soviet flag and the inscription 1941-1945. In the former Soviet republics, p.Myatniki are demolished to Soviet soldiers, but they are installed in our country.

[padded jacket]

The Russian language is one of the most spoken in Israel, especially among repatriates (Aliya) from the countries of the former USSR: the Russian Federation, the CIS, and the Baltic. Only after 1989, more than 1 million repatriates arrived in Israel, for the vast majority of which Russian is the mother tongue, or at least the second language. Unlike many other immigrant languages, the Russian language in Israel shows a tendency towards sustainable conservation and transmission to the younger generation. Currently, in Israel, more than 20% of the population speak Russian fluently, and a significant number of Russian-language media operate.
As of 2011, Russian is native to 18% of adult Israelis. At the same time, 48% of the natives of the USSR communicate at home only in Russian, 12% do not use the Russian language at home, 6% use only the Russian language at work.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%F3%F1%F1%EA%E8%E9_%FF%E7%FB%EA_%E2_%C8%E7%F0%E0
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[Stypor23]

Quote: quilted jacket

Russian is one of the most widely spoken languages ​​in Israel.

Delivered + .However, Vatnik loves Israel. And with pro-Arab moods he hides the nature of his feelings. He is shy.

[padded jacket]

Well, you don’t need to make such conclusions right away, I just showed why the Russian language is so spoken in Israel (30% are at least Russian-speaking people from the USSR and Russia).

[Stypor23]

Quote: quilted jacket

(30% minimum Russian-speaking immigrants from the USSR and Russia).

I know. And it may be that you are somehow connected with BV.

[Stypor23]

Thanks for the tour.

Quote: Smert Nik1

There are places where you hear Russian more often than Hebrew. Advertisements in many state. Institutions are duplicated in Russian. A network of evening schools with the teaching of Russian for children. In Syria (Russia's ally), recently introduced the Russian language as a second foreign language, in our country it has been introduced for 20 years. Many of the older generation learn 25 Hebrew words from the force of 10 years, there is no practice all the time in Russian and communicate at work and at home .. Russian TV channel, Russian radio, Russian party and the Russian-speaking foreign minister.

Well it’s very nice to hear that.

Quote: Smert Nik1

The whole army speaks Russian obscenities

Russian language of international communication .Repatriates taught fellow sickness, you can not swear .

Quote: Smert Nik1

In my city nearby are Korolenko Square and Victory Square with a monument with the Soviet flag and the inscription 1941-1945. In the former Soviet republics, p.Myatniki are demolished to Soviet soldiers, but they are installed in our country.

This is admirable, well done.
Thanks for the tour.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tilix

More than in Chechnya, how much did you ruin there?

Minus, Schaub was not a greyhound.

[tilix]

Thank you for your kind words, here are two anti-terrorist operations, why not compare? Is this a military review or where?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tilix

, here are two anti-terrorist operations, why not compare? Is this a military review or where?

Well, proceed from this, otherwise you justify some, and try to blame others for the same situation.

[tilix]

Did i blame?
The facts:
Chechen wars from wiki
First: Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation A. Lebed estimated the loss of the civilian population of Chechnya in 80 000 people dead.
Second: According to the international non-governmental organization Amnesty International (2007), up to 25 thousands of civilians died in the war.
More than 100000.

[tilix]

Action:

First: According to the Memorial Human Rights Center, the losses of the militants did not exceed 2700 people killed.
Second: losses in 1300 dead
Total 4000
Now consider 4%.
What shall we say?

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: tilix

What shall we say?

- Wikipedia is anti-Russian configured initially - it doesn’t roll!

[tilix]

Do you have other statistics?

[slava11]

Yah? And we just consider her pro-Russian.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tilix

: According to the Memorial Human Rights Center

The memorial is the State Department office, so let's not go until I got angry.

[tilix]

I understand. State Department statistics is bad to take. As for us, the Palestinian.
But give yours and decide.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tilix

The facts:
Chechen wars from wiki

And why the heck to me the facts from Wiki, I'm not American.

[tilix]

Do you have other statistics?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tilix

Do you have other statistics?

Look if you want, we can start logically thinking, -And where are all the bandits that were part of the gangs Gelaev, Basaev, Raduyev and others, others, others. Their number was much larger than the Memorial leads.
We just stupidly sit and think, there isn’t enough reasoning to delve into the internet and think again.
Then we come to the conclusion that Vika is complete bullshit.

[tilix]

Bullshit so Bullshit, but so far it is she (wiki) who, unfortunately, defines the space of checks, this is a fact. If there were Russian accurate statistics, I would use it, but so far we are talking about comparison. You can minus, but we are still far from the ratio of losses in Russian wars. But the tactics of covering the civilian population is one, and it moves from Muslims from one place to another.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: tilix

You can minus, but we are still far from the ratio of losses in Russian wars.

Yes, what’s the minus, for what there was a minus. As for the warrior, Israel has not yet participated in such soldiers as Russia did. The last soldier lost about 70 dead in Georgia and stopped 15 km from Tbilisi. Well, Ukraine is running into it.

[tilix]

Well, I wish you only such wars, I will not compare now, but I think what I wanted to say does not seem ridiculous anymore.
In principle, the use of military force in the presence of the civilian population can and should be said, but calmly and with facts in hand.

[andj61]

Not everything has been taken into account: even before the start of all military operations, Chechen scumbags destroyed, according to various estimates, from 50 to 100 thousand non-Chechens.

[Klim2011]

These two situations are largely similar in the first phase: active financing of the enemy by third forces, their moral support by numerous co-religionists, terrorist attacks in Russia and Israel.
Ways to solve these problems are also similar, the use of military force.
The only difference is that Russia resolved the issue finally with this instrument, but Israel did not.

[tilix]

True, but I'm not sure what is finally

[Klim2011]

Looking to the vast future is not given to me or you. We can make forecasts based on our own knowledge of the history of the problem, the current situation and development trends.
Based on these assumptions, the Conflict on the territory of Chechnya has been extinguished and in the near future there is no obvious movement towards its aggravation. With Palestine, in principle, I do not see a real vector for solving the problem.
I hope that the leadership of Israel will have an option how to cut this Gordian knot. Unleash as they have been trying to do for many years, alas, it will not work.

[tilix]

Alas, it will not work. I completely agree, but we will not go to the slaughter. At the moment, we are talking about a movement that does not recognize the existence of Israel, and that something must change just for them. Even the current prime minister spoke of two countries, which, as you can see, was answered by war. And I personally sincerely wish you a non-repetition of the Chechen conflict.

[Klim2011]

Thank you for the wishes of the world, I really do not want our children to curse their fathers for a ruined world.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: tilix

More than in Chechnya, how much did you ruin there?

Minus, Schaub was not a greyhound.

Minus, for double standards.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: And Us Rat

Minus, for double standards.

ANASRAT

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: And Us Rat

Minus, for double standards.

ANASRAT

Who would doubt it?
Sasha, you are not a stupid man, but your "lordly-condescending" tone of communication is below any criticism, do you consider yourself smarter than others? Or is modern permissiveness hitting your head? Why so much snobbery? No ice.
The person did not formulate the words correctly, but you are with his megaton minus and rudeness from above, and who is asked to greet?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: And Us Rat

Why so much snobbery?

From a visitor who decided to show off his mind for Chechnya. Do not translate arrows, then I will be kind and polite (probably)

Quote: And Us Rat

The person did not correctly formulate the words,

I give him advice

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

From a visitor who decided to shine with his mind for Chechnya. Do not translate arrows ...

You know, I just immediately understood what he was pushing for (which became clear later), he tried to point out the double standards of some commentators. But some people didn’t try to understand ... or didn’t have time while their hands reached Klava ... and therefore we move on to the second point

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I give him advice

It’s easier to give advice than to follow it yourself, even if it’s your own advice. Is it right, Sasha?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: And Us Rat

Is it right, Sasha?

What are you saying?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: And Us Rat

Is it right, Sasha?

What are you saying?

Oooh ... we don’t immediately answer the mountain, we think that progress has begun! Commendable.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: And Us Rat

! Commendable.

Selfie?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: And Us Rat

! Commendable.

Selfie?

Almost, the traits are similar.

[STALGRAD76]

plus Romanova, and for the principle

[tilix]

Military Defense !!!

[P-38]

Yeltsin started the war in Chechnya, Russia paid its bloody price for this. Putin is correcting after him, how can he, and what are your Israeli rulers correcting?

[tilix]

Does not channel, He was the lawfully elected president, I do not discuss Putin's politics. It was about something else. And as I understand it, 4% is acceptable to you.

[yushch]

Quote: tilix

More than in Chechnya, how much did you ruin there?

You better wash off your Arab blood more often.

[slava11]

As soon as the Arabs begin to love their children.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Dazdranagon

Since the start of Operation Frontier Defense, Palestinian 1224 has been killed, more than 7 thousands have been injured. The Israeli side killed 53 military and 3 civilians.

- out of these 1224, how many terrorists? Aw, fellow citizens of Israel!

Excerpts from the instructions of the Ministry of the Interior and National Security of the Palestinian Authority

1. Anyone killed must first be called a “civilian” - and only then can one mention his status in jihad or military rank. Do not forget to always add to the name of the murdered “innocent citizen” or “civilian”.

2. Begin your messages about attacks by the Palestinian resistance with the phrase “In response to the brutal Israeli aggression” and end with the phrase “So many people have died since the beginning of the Israeli aggression in Gaza.” Always follow the formula "attack - the answer to the occupation, the Palestinians only react."

3.Follow the reports of the Israeli representatives. Always question them, refute them, and imagine them to be false.

4. Avoid posting photos of rockets launched from Gaza's residential neighborhoods in Israel. Do not post photos of the places where the shelling is conducted.

5.Do not publish photos of our masked fighters and with heavy weapons so that you are not accused of inciting violence.

6. In a conversation with Western journalists, use a rational political language, avoid emotional attacks.

7. Do not convince Westerners that the Holocaust is a lie. Do not deny the Holocaust. On the contrary, use it for comparison to show what exactly this is now Israel doing with the Palestinians.

8. The narrative of life against the narrative of blood. When you talk to the Arabs, talk about the dead as martyrs who fell in battles with aggressors. But when you talk to Westerners, talk about the dead as civilians. Talk about a lot of wounded. Show the human face of Palestinian suffering.

9.Colorfully describe the suffering of civilians under the yoke of occupation and bombing.
Do not post photos of military commanders. Do not mention their names or praise their successes in conversations with foreign friends.

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: And Us Rat

of these 1224, how many terrorists?

- Yes, at least I want to hear the Israeli version! It is clear that they are all in civilian life and it is difficult to determine who is peaceful, who is not very! Just do not immediately say that 1224!

[AstanaKZ]

Israeli killers - to the answer!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: AstanaKZ

Israeli killers - to the answer!

And you come and ask! Sign up for Hamas and ask! Or is the gut thin?

[slava11]

Well, who didn’t you hear about the Kazakh army defeating everyone ?! AND? None.

[AstanaKZ]

Even if without emotion, I still don't understand what is the need to level residential buildings (the size of a 5-storey building) in Gaza with the ground? Okay, Hamas is terrorists (then everyone who is fighting for their land is also terrorists), but Israel has every opportunity to avoid such numerous casualties among peaceful Palestinians: Both the Mossad and drones and much more. How is your army strong? Is Operation Enduring Wall in Gaza limited to artillery shelling?

[Dan4eG]

Under the house there is a warehouse with missiles, and it is mined, from the first to the third fortified positions with "bearded men", also with their own traps!
Your actions?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: AstanaKZ

Israeli killers - to the answer!

Hamas to rewards?

[Ptah]

Greetings, Sasha!

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Hamas to rewards?

Not. In one camera of both. And let there ****** even slippers. Use aluminum harnesses instead of helmets.
But on equal terms ... And both on "hostile" territory ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ptah

And let there ****** even slippers. Use aluminum harnesses instead of helmets.

Hi Vadim. I give 100% Arabs and they will lose there, they are not warriors, they are merchants.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Ptah

Not. In one camera of both. And let there ****** even slippers. Use aluminum harnesses instead of helmets.
But on equal terms ... And both on "hostile" territory ...

And why should it be on an equal footing? For example, the Red Army had a clear advantage over the Basmachis, the SA over the Dushmans, and the RA over the Wahhabis in fire and technical power and nothing, no one is embarrassed about military victories over his opponent. Why should we abandon the benefits?

[Ptah]

Aron. . . .
Aron is a site "old-timer".
We agree on one, important issue, both for Russians, recalling the beginning of the 20th century, and for the Jews of the second half of the 40’s ... - A JEWISH SHOULD LIVE IN JEWISH! Everything. Point...
Aron and I are Zionists!
Question. And what do you Jews do to make the Jews GOOD AT HOMELAND?
You sell technologies ... You don't have a question of survival in the economic sphere - you don't have natural resources in the form of "Sechinov's acts" ...
Create new means of killing your own kind ...
So this would not have happened, if you did not take "ANTISEMITISM" into your "armament", thanks to which hundreds of scientists, even from the USSR, which YOU have raked for your benefit, flocked to Israel ...
What else?
6 lard of annual "prizes" from your own ..... from Ameria? So I don't separate the USA from the Jews at all ...
6 boats from the Germans, who still do not mind "drowning" Judens (and not Jews from BV), hovering their "Aryan brain" from all TV channels ...

Aaron, dear! I understand your desire to gather all the Jews "on the historic". I myself am ready to assist in this. But only everyone !!!
Not only those who were frightened by the antisemis ... (dance ... tired of this bawdy and word-talking) or seduced by nishtyaks ...
Take away, pliz, even EVERYTHING, these-her-mother "cultural figures" - "Shvydka", "Yarmolnik", "Khazan", etc ...
ALL! WHOLESALE!!! AND FOR FREE !!!
Because I’m sure that these hate-killers put their lascivious little hands to the collapse of my country, from which I left in 90's, always wanted to come back, thought, then thought again, and came back ...
For better or worse, I did so - until I understood ...
But I'll wait until September. When I’m sure that my wife went to work, the boys go to school, then you can think about protecting Russia!
Grandfather (German) defended Russia from Germans, father (half-German) built a plant in Russia, and literally a couple of months before his death he said ........................deleted by moderator Apollo
I’ll go too ... A man has a short fate ...
Was before ... By those standards, I "measured" it ...

Isn't it time to call “Bumpy” to Tsakhal, since he here constantly declares his “competence in everything”?

[slava11]

Very informative.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Dazdranagon

Quote: And Us Rat

of these 1224, how many terrorists?

- Yes, at least I want to hear the Israeli version! It is clear that they are all in civilian life and it is difficult to determine who is peaceful, who is not very! Just do not immediately say that 1224!

There are more than half of the militants;

[tilix]

Get an answer to an adequate question. Since Hamas does not walk in uniform and hides in holes, trying not to find himself, and does not show his slain to the press, it seems that there will never be an exact answer to this question. Firstly, because the Arabs always desperately lie (this is a fact, look at the Arab-Israeli wars), secondly, go know how many fell in the tunnel? And the number of such tunnels in the city of Gaza alone is more than three thousand, third, keep in mind that a peaceful place ceases to be the same as soon as fire is fired from it, and everyone there takes responsibility.
That is why the Israeli army is calling, sending SMS and leaflets with an appeal to the civilian population to leave, saying "I AM GOING FOR YOU", and thereby increasing our losses. So the answer will always be statistical. And it has not yet been withdrawn today.

[Tourist Breakfast]

Yes, at least I want to hear the Israeli version! It is clear that they are all in civilian life and it is difficult to determine who is peaceful, who is not very! Just do not immediately say that 1224!

This is the data on the age of those killed in Gaza, correct a few days ago:

Read the full story here:

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[Bombardier]

"The whole Western world imposes sanctions on Israel" - somehow the headlines of the New York Times, BBC, Sunday Times, etc. should be full of them (if we draw an analogy with Russia, only Russia is not at war - a paradox? No?)

[tilix]

I did not minus, but for what sanctions?
Just because you don’t have a concept, and there is no desire to show this concept?
I sincerely wish you that some "bad man" would stand in front of your house surrounded by children and throw tennis and baseball balls at him. 10 years. It is advisable when you are there with your family and your young children. You will receive sanctions for any of your attempts to "restore justice". Oh yes, the police, well, no such.

[Bombardier]

In no way do I support terrorism, and I am truly sincerely sorry for the citizens of Israel (those three guys who were tortured and those who died under rocket attacks). But I wrote above that Russia does not even fight, but it is suspected of God knowing what and only based on suspicions (!) - they are already imposing sanctions. Does this situation seem strange to you?

[tilix]

Down below he answered.

[Bombardier]

Yes, I will answer you right now. (A little busy)

[pexotinec]

Quote: Bombardier

"The whole Western world imposes sanctions on Israel" - somehow the headlines of the New York Times, BBC, Sunday Times, etc. should be full of them (if we draw an analogy with Russia, only Russia is not at war - a paradox? No?)

During and during Israel, Pan and Gemun and the entire UN.

[slava11]

The mind-numbing "Palestine effect"
Among all the nonsense said about Israel's war with Hamas, one cannot fail to mention the words of Benjamin J. Rhodes, the US deputy national security adviser for strategic communications, writes The Wall Street Journal columnist Bret Stevens.

In an interview with CNN, Rhodes said Israel has a right to self-defense, but must do more to prevent civilian casualties. The interviewer objected that, according to Netanyahu, Israel is already doing everything in its power.

"I think there is always more that can be done," Rhodes replied. "The US military is doing it in Afghanistan."

In Stevens's view, the comparison is not appropriate: in Afghanistan, many civilians were accidentally killed and there were few battles in densely populated cities, unlike the Gaza Strip.

Perhaps Rhodes was simply repeating platitudes that are considered obligatory in diplomacy. “But he may have become another victim of what I call the Palestine Effect: a sudden and sometimes complete collapse of logical thinking, skeptical reason and conventional moral judgments at the moment when the subject of Palestinian suffering arises,” writes Bret Stevens.

According to the author, the media are "obsessed with counting corpses." The New York Times reported that 27 Palestinians and 1023 Israelis had been killed in the Gaza war on July 46, citing figures from the Palestinian Ministry of Health and the UN. In this regard, Stevens states that the ministry is run by Hamas, and the UN "receives data mainly from two Palestinian agitprop-NGOs."

Let's say the numbers are still correct, the author continues. "Does this mean that the Palestinians are the main victims and the Israelis are the main executioners in the conflict?" According to this logic, the moral equations of the Second World War would have to be revised, when more than 1 million civilians in Germany, 67 thousand British and 12 thousand American civilians were killed.

Counting corpses allows reporters and observers to implicitly blame Israel by dodging questions like, "Why is Hamas hiding missiles in UN schools?"

A reasonable person might conclude that Hamas wants the war to continue and expects conscience to prevent Israel from destroying civilian targets Hamas is using for military purposes. "But there is a Palestinian effect, and according to its logic, Hamas only started hostilities because Israel refused to encourage the creation of a Palestinian coalition with Hamas, and also refused to help pay salaries to Hamas civil servants in Gaza," - the article says.

That is, Israel is to blame because it does not recognize the Palestinian government with the participation of a terrorist organization, does not help this organization extricate itself from financial problems and does not remove the "quasi-blockade" from the territory where the main economic activity is the construction of missile shops and terrorist tunnels.

"To argue the position of the Palestinians in this war is to justify barbarism," the author concludes. "And the Obama administration, as usual, is playing it safe."

[STALGRAD76]

And what is bombing with? News clips or from neta, a powerful explosion, five-story building in the trash !!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: STALGRAD76

And what is bombing with? News clips or from neta, a powerful explosion, five-story building in the trash !!

Yes, the fact of the matter is that they are bombing with trifles, under the five-story building there was a warehouse of "Kasams", and they detonated. Hamas undermines them to be anti-handling when retreating. Our main losses are on such traps.

[Bombardier]

They mined, and explain why they minus - weak?

Sorry but no one answered ...

[slava11]

Here either because you are anti-Semitic or you are not very smart, or both.

[Bombardier]

Not when I was not anti-Semite (I have a lot of Jewish comrades).
After all, I just drew an analogy of events (if you did not notice). Is not it? Russia is sanctioned in full, but in a more controversial situation, no.
Campaign, are you Russophobe or am I mistaken?
(Not culturally-poke strangers)

[tilix]

There are no analogies here. What is Russia accused of and what is Israel? Today. And we have already passed our sanctions.

[Bombardier]

Excuse me, what is Russia accused of?

[tilix]

I thought you would say. I am for Israel.

[Bombardier]

You know - I am for Russia! I am not against Israel and not for Israel. For example, if in our case the name of the country is replaced by Argentina, then I am not for Argentina and not against Argentina.

[tilix]

Your right, but adults need to adequately evaluate events, and not compare the incomparable. In this case, the capture (the word doesn’t matter, replace it yourself with another) of the Crimea is not unique to our showdowns.

[Bombardier]

A strange capture - houses, infrastructure, medical facilities have not been destroyed, but there are no dead people and this is not a village, there will be more of Israel by square meters. The capture was still under Khrushchev, then they didn’t ask anyone, but they captured everything. And now a referendum has been held - you will drive across the Crimea, talk with people - they will tell you what the capture was. My minus.

[tilix]

So this is not me, or you are trying to persuade me. They talked about international sanctions, but they do not think like you. For them, capture is all.
I do not care about the cons.

[Bombardier]

Here I am talking about the same - who is stronger is right and there is not any international law. International law covers causal places - when clothes are torn by the truth.

[tilix]

This is not so if Ukraine appeals to an international court, then, if you lose there, it will be hard. It seems to me that the leadership of Russia clearly understands this.

[supertiger21]

Quote: tilix

This is not so if Ukraine appeals to an international court, then, if you lose there, it will be hard. It seems to me that the leadership of Russia clearly understands this.

And what accusations does Ukraine have against Russia, confirmed by evidence? Or the Ukrainian leadership, like Psaki: "the Russians are to blame - because I said so")

[tilix]

There would be an article.
But seriously, they want, they will find, we have suffered from this court for more than one year, mostly biased.

[supertiger21]

Quote: tilix

There would be an article.
But seriously, they want, they will find, we have suffered from this court for more than one year, mostly biased.

You suffer because you want to shut up the Palestinians by force (that is, against international law). Well, we took Crimea into our membership in accordance with all international laws - that is, a popular referendum.

[tilix]

Do you read what you write? Why then sanctions, if according to all international laws?

[supertiger21]

Quote: tilix

Do you read what you write? Why then sanctions, if according to all international laws?

And the UN does not carry out sanctions to us, but the United States and its satellites - that is, not some kind of world committee, but a group of countries with aggressive anti-Russian politics. You can’t say about Israel, whose sanctions come from the UN.

[tilix]

What are the sanctions?

[supertiger21]

Do not ask a new question if you could not disrupt your opponent in the previous !

[tilix]

I get it. Please do not tell me what to say how and when. Otherwise, there will be no conversation.
There are no UN sanctions on Israel today.

[slava11]

Yes, do not worry, you would be like Putin, but there is an article. Already found. It is slowly but surely pressed against the wall. Although he then you will return and the people will substitute.

[supertiger21]

Quote: slava11

Yes, do not worry, you would be like Putin, but there is an article. Already found. It is slowly but surely pressed against the wall. Although he then you will return and the people will substitute.

What does it mean "slowly but surely pressed against the wall" ?! Putin, unlike Natanyahu, did not kill 1200 Palestinians (more than 50% of civilians). The referendum in Crimea and its entry into Russia went without blood.

[tilix]

Putin? Natanyahu? Congratulations to Russia with such a defender.

[supertiger21]

Quote: tilix

Putin? Natanyahu? Congratulations to Russia with such a defender.

The world is full of double standards, THAT what is possible Natanyahu is "not allowed" (by an aggressive group of states) to Putin.

[tilix]

Are you serious?
If so, good night, if not, laugh together.

[supertiger21]

Quote: tilix

Are you serious?
If so, good night, if not, laugh together.

Yes seriously!
You could not prove your position, because mine is more based on facts.
PS For wild obstinacy I put you a plus.
Good night Israelite!

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: tilix

Ukraine will appeal to the international court, then, if you lose there

- You underestimate our leadership! Today there is no more legally savvy top of the state! Well, maybe only Israel ...

[tilix]

Duck, I wrote

It seems to me that the leadership of Russia clearly understands this.

[STALGRAD76]

my friend is not taking you there, Russia has taken its own, ask your grandfather Crimea is Russia or where?

[tilix]

It remains to persuade Europe and the states.

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: tilix

It remains to persuade Europe and the states.

- what for? About Abkhazia and South Ossetia persuaded?

[tilix]

But there is no trial.

[slava11]

I'm with everyone on you - a habit after long years of life in a country where even the king when he was still said - "you". There is no "you" in Hebrew.
And what sanctions did the UN impose on Russia that I have not heard? Enlighten.

[Bombardier]

1- strange, you write in Russian, and speak about the Hebrew language rules.
2- Excuse me, are you reading the comments? I wrote somewhere about the UN? A priori, the UN will not impose sanctions (if you do not know) on Russia.

[slava11]

So who is friends with whom. BUT I would like about something else - We have never once condemned Russia, and Russia has repeatedly. Are you not ashamed?

[Bombardier]

Do you personally ask me a question about conviction? If yes, then I ask you to indicate in what my word was the condemnation of Israel for its actions? I really have nothing to be ashamed of before the citizens of Israel.

[slava11]

I'm talking about Russia. Your politicians, your fellow countrymen from the site.

[supertiger21]

Quote: slava11

I'm talking about Russia. Your politicians, your fellow countrymen from the site.

We clearly and clearly defend our interests in all international rights, why should we be ashamed?

[slava11]

Arming the Arab scum?

[supertiger21]

Quote: slava11

Arming the Arab scum?

1) Nationalism in HE is prohibited.
2) What kind of "rabble" (as you indicate), the Arab lands stretch from the Atlantic Ocean to the Persian Gulf.

[slava11]

Are you talking about Russian? Here half of Russia generally write in some other language.

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: slava11

Here half of Russia generally write in some other language.

- and then in vain they instructed the minuses - he cuts his own eyes!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Bombardier

... I have a lot of Jewish comrades ...

And then they scream that we all have it

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: slava11

Is it either because you are anti-Semite or you are not very smart

- Inadequate enough, but personally I try to explain!

[slava11]

I always explain. Apparently for this I have -1264. Like kids honestly. Or maybe the majority of children are here?

[Klim2011]

In any war or military conflict, someone always makes money: restores infrastructure, housing, enterprises, etc., etc.
This conflict is no exception, its main difference is that it does not end ...

[Krogan_Urdnot]

Meanwhile, it became known that another rocket warehouse was discovered on Wednesday night in a school in the Gaza Strip owned by the UN Palestine Refugee Relief Agency (UNRWA)

Hamas Caring for Kids

[slava11]

And the UN takes care of Hamas - we found your missiles, you lost them, but we found, take it and you yourself know what to do with them.

[dojjdik]

so the "Jewish spring" has begun, otherwise everything is Arab and Arab; the Israeli government must be changed as incompetent; Communists will come to power in Israel and erect a monument to Lenin in the center of Tel Aviv; the arabs will enter their land

[slava11]

You know one of the reasons why we defeated armies that are an order of magnitude larger than us? We did not rest on our laurels, we always say that everything is bad (two Jews are already a market), which means that something needs to be changed, improved. One reason for the poor start of a loan day war is to rest on our laurels after a six day war. But we are corrected.

[tilix]

Arabs will enter their land

To Arabia. HOORAY !!!

[supertiger21]

Quote: tilix

To Arabia. HOORAY !!!

Arabia (if we talk about the peninsula) is only about 1/5 of the Arab lands. "The territory south of Syria and Lebanon, west of Jordan, and east of Egypt" is also an Arab land.

[tilix]

There are aspirations to Spain, Portugal and Italy, I know, but now the Berbers and Kurds are taking their land, who will look further. You do not interfere with the Arab and Muslim.

[supertiger21]

Quote: tilix

You do not interfere with the Arab and Muslim.

Yes, please, Arabs are only 15-20% of the total number of Muslims worldwide.

[tilix]

Then how

"The territory south of Syria and Lebanon, west of Jordan, and east of Egypt" is also an Arab land.

because they conquered? so we won back.

[supertiger21]

Quote: tilix

because you won? so we won back.

They were not Israeli statehood for centuries, and all this time belonged to the Arabs. Well, in 1947, the former British colonies of Palestine (where the Arabs lived) were given over to the creation of a Jewish state by UN resolution. Not the Arabs gave their land and the British did not want the power of the newly independent Arabs.

[tilix]

You are mistaken !!! Deeply! The British took away from the Turks.

[supertiger21]

Quote: tilix

You are mistaken !!! Deeply! The British took away from the Turks.

1) More than half of the Ottoman lands were not ethnically Turkish, incl. and Palestine.
2) You are mistaken (it would not hurt to get acquainted with the materiel), tk. they took Arab lands from Turkish rule in 1918-1920. And they "gave up" to the Israeli statehood almost 30 years later.
By the way, you are aware that after the 1st World War on the territory of modern Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, an independent Syrian state was formed, but the British and French colonialists divided it among themselves. Invaders !!!

[tilix]

I know something but you do not. The Turks were not taken from the Arabs, but from the Mamluks, those from the Arabs, those from the Crusaders, those from the Byzantines, those from the Romans and those from the Jews.

[supertiger21]

Quote: tilix

I know something but you do not. The Turks were not taken from the Arabs, but from the Mamluks, those from the Arabs, those from the Crusaders, those from the Byzantines, those from the Romans and those from the Jews.

This land was Jewish a century ago. It was still Arab some 70 years ago. And who has more rights to these lands ??? Surely not Israel!

[Klim2011]

slava11 Today, 11:31 ↑
I'm with everyone on you - a habit after long years of life in a country where even the king when he was still said - "you". There is no "you" in Hebrew.

Glory, how would it be softer to you? Well, for example: in a neighboring tribe it is customary to cope with a great need on the street and use a flat stone instead of paper, and the tribal council and the main shaman do this, of course, you will respect someone else's tradition only if your guest does not do this on the lawn of your house.

The example is figurative, it has no national and religious analogies, not a single animal was injured during the filming.

[slava11]

Do you still live in the tribe? Then sorry.

[padded jacket]

Israel begged for a truce:
"He himself requested a ceasefire." Kerry talks about secret negotiations with Netanyahu.
"Netanyahu himself asked me to help with a ceasefire," said US Secretary of State John Kerry at a special press conference in Washington. So the head of American diplomacy reacted to Israeli criticism of his proposed Gaza peace plan.
According to Kerry, Netanyahu himself called him and said that Israel needed help in reaching a humanitarian ceasefire with Hamas.
http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti/2014/07/29/on-sam-prosil-prekrasheniya-ogny
a - kerri-rasskazivaet-o-taynih-peregovorah-s-netaniyagu /
Probably needed time to regroup the punishers after the losses they suffered.
By the way, Poroshenko applied the exact same technique in Ukraine.
The truth is felt, one school.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: quilted jacket

Israel begged for a truce:

Yeah, but yesterday he said that Hamas would get a snot so that the snot from the ass would flow.

Quote: quilted jacket

The truth is felt, one school.

Do you believe Kerry?

[padded jacket]

In general, this is according to the Israeli press. There is a link there.

I believe my eyes — both Poroshenko and Netanyahu entered into a truce with the enemy, and used it to regroup troops, then again continued the conflict.

[padded jacket]

About losses:
Since the beginning of the operation, 53 Israeli troops have been killed. Currently, there are 119 wounded soldiers and officers of the IDF in hospitals.
Gaza Defenders Killed:
During the ground phase, at least 300 armed volunteers were destroyed.
Civilians:
According to Palestinian sources, over 120 people have been killed in the Gaza Strip over the past 1.210 hours. The death toll in the sector since the beginning of the operation reached 7.000 people, more than XNUMX were injured.
Israelis:
July: 835 attacks, 2.367 rockets - seven killed, 55 injured. 531 missiles were shot down by the Iron Dome missile defense system (as of July 30).
http://newsru.co.il/mideast/30jul2014/23day_602.html

[padded jacket]

Let this music be eternal (in 2-3 years everything will happen again):
Netanyahu abandoned the idea of ​​eliminating Mashal and Haniyeh
The Israel Ha-Yom newspaper reports that during a meeting of the Israeli military-political cabinet, participants discussed the idea of ​​physically eliminating the leadership of the Hamas organization.
Nevertheless, a decision was made to destroy the houses of Hamas leaders - after it was established that they were not in them.
http://www.mignews.com/news/arabisrael/world/300714_110432_66716.html
This is how the Israeli leadership makes money, and peaceful Israelis die, too.

[padded jacket]

A Palestinian sabotage group raided the invaders base:

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: quilted jacket

A Palestinian sabotage group raided the invaders base:

Remember Vatnik Hamas are terrorists. Or are you ready to take any scumbags as allies in hatred of Israel? If so, then I will have more respect for the Jew than for you Russian.
Real Russian knows what terror is, but you are on their side.

[Bombardier]

Alexander Romanov (3) RU Today, 14: 10 ↑
Quote: quilted jacket
A Palestinian sabotage group raided the invaders base:
Remember Vatnik Hamas are terrorists. Or are you ready to take any scumbags as allies in hatred of Israel? If so, then I will have more respect for the Jew than for you Russian.
Real Russian knows what terror is, but you are on their side.

Plus, the Russians are against terror!

[STALGRAD76]

You gobble up with a Jew - you’ll fall into grandmothers ...
Fuck inadequate - you lose your life ...

[STALGRAD76]

For me, as a friend, let it be clever. The Jew than the inadequate you yourself know who ....

[padded jacket]

Once again, Russia did not recognize Hamas as terrorists.
Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization by the European Union, Israel, Canada, the United States and Japan, and is also banned in Jordan and Egypt. In Australia and the United Kingdom, only the Hamas military wing is recognized as terrorist.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%90%D0%9C%D0%90%D0%A1
Hamas has not been recognized as terrorists in 150 countries, are there only anti-Semites or accomplices of terrorists?

And now Hamas is protecting its land and its citizens from the invasion of Israel.
I do not approve of the groundless shelling of the cities of Israel, the death of civilians in any country is always a blunting.



I'm not on the side of terror

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: quilted jacket

I'm not on the side of terror

And whom do you call partisans for a week?

Quote: quilted jacket

And now Hamas is protecting its land and its citizens from the invasion of Israel.
I do not approve of the groundless shelling of the cities of Israel, the death of civilians in any country is always a blunting.

Porridge in your head is an old man.

[padded jacket]

And you mean you approve of the bombed-out only airfield, the only port in Gaza, the only power station, the long-term blockade of the sector, is that everything is all right as it should be?

[padded jacket]

And that means you approve of the killing of 1200 Gaza civilians themselves to blame. It was necessary where not to go, nothing, nowhere, the borders with Egypt and Israel are closed.
And in general, they themselves had to blame for the Iron Dome to hide behind, in short, barbarians who are at a low level of development.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: quilted jacket

It was necessary where not to go, nothing, nowhere, the borders with Egypt and Israel are closed.

And Egipedchto completely moved off the coils, to launch sick fanatics to his head. Survive for Naza, well, go live there. If you are lucky, you will not be stolen and your head will not be cut off.
In general, in the place of Israel, I would have driven them into the Stone Age. I have healed all their banks and Mercedes. And it would be better to even level Gaza with the ground.

[Stypor23]

, I would have driven them into the Stone Age. I have spent all their cans and Mercedes. And it would be better to even level Gaza to the ground.

And you yourself are not a Jew by chance?

[padded jacket]

Interesting opinion.
And this doesn’t cause you any analogy?

E ... and - nothing more than an ignorant, despised and barbaric people, which since ancient times have combined the filthiest greed for selfishness with disgusting superstition and irresistible hatred for all peoples, among whom they are tolerant and due to which they are enriched. They are the most vicious and most scandalous of small nations. Little e ....... I am a nation dare to show irreconcilable hatred of the property of other nations; they creep when they fail, and arrogant when things flourish.

Jean Francois Voltaire / 1694-1778 / French writer, thinker, philosopher-enlightener

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: quilted jacket

And you mean you approve of the bombed-out only airfield, the only port in Gaza, the only power station, the long-term blockade of the sector, is that everything is all right as it should be?

You don't know anything about the sector. There, the standard of living is higher than in Egypt. Despite the fact that the people work in Egypt, and in the Sector no one does nichrome at all. million people receive benefits from all world organizations.
Israel supplies electricity to the Sector for free. In this case, a couple of weeks ago, Jews made a substation for them, and bullets flew from the Electricians Sector in gratitude.
As for the blockade, it’s not bad to shoot at Israel and engage in terrorism. Then there will be no blockades.

[padded jacket]

And where will they work there if Israel destroyed everything

[padded jacket]

In general, of course, an interesting situation, the sector’s defenders armed only with grandfather’s berdanks successfully resist armed aggressors to the teeth and inflict tangible losses on them.
Therefore, apparently the leadership of Israel and needed an urgent truce.
It seems that the Israeli army can only well kill civilians in Gaza, and even that is far away.
A shame.

[slava11]

Modern anti-tank systems Vampire, Cornet and so on (the most complexes if you believe the padded jacket on other branches), automatic weapons, MANPADS, rocket mortars, etc. is this a club?

[padded jacket]

RPG Vampire-Adopted by the Soviet Army in 1989.
PTRK Kornet-The first version of the complex in an export version - “Kornet-E”, was openly presented in 1994, at an exhibition in Nizhny Novgorod.
The rest are RPG-7, ATGM Baby, Competition all 60-70 years of the last century.
AK-47, PC, M-16, etc. all junk is similar.
MANPADS Strela-2 - portable anti-aircraft missile system "Strela-2", adopted by the USSR Armed Forces in 1967.
Where is something new?

[slava11]

Padded jacket confess you are anti-Semite.

[supertiger21]

Quote: slava11

Padded jacket confess you are anti-Semite.

Hatred of Israeli politics and anti-Semitism are two completely different things!

[padded jacket]

Again, the Israelis bombed the school, they seem to be getting into the habit:

[Stypor23]

Once again, a constructive discussion. .On the one hand, anti-Semites and Natsik, and on the other, aggressors and killers of civilians.

[DanG73]

Vatnik, I have a question for you. Judging by your comments, your main profile is Israel. When will this end in Gaza end, will you retire until next time?

[padded jacket]

No, well, what are you.
Who am I going to throw you
After all, again you will begin to sing sweet songs and tell tales about the Great and Mighty Israel from the Nile to Euphrates

[dzau]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I give 100% Arabs and they will lose there, they are not warriors, they are merchants

Since when were Jews registered as "warriors"?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: dzau

Since when were Jews registered as "warriors"?

Ever since Israel became a state and did not lose a warrior. The Arabs, even in a crowd, managed to tear away Israel everything that could be torn, and what couldn’t be torn

[dzau]

Israel was a state long before the middle of the 20th century. But this state disintegrated. It is difficult to lose a state as a whole without losing a single war, right? You have to be a very good "warrior people".

Again, peoples, namely a stereotype of behavior, take much longer to form than a "century" or "half a century".

Accordingly, it is not entirely legitimate to judge such things within a narrow time sample, and even more so recently. Even Gumilev put forward the term "proximity aberration". I'm sure you've heard it more than once.

If we look at the scale, we will see quite a Arab region, well populated and developed. With a fairly old and well-established culture. The number and size of settlements, population, size of Arab territories - all this speaks more about the "success" of the Arab ethnic community than about its "inferiority". Half a century of the existence of a Jewish enclave there with a relatively small population, the viability of which in the absence of external support is a very big question, looks rather pale against the background of the above.

Such an enclave - and it is already more European, but not "Jewish" - it would be more correct to compare not with the "original" country, but with colonies in some kind. Africa like South Rhodesia.

The fate of the British enclave in what is now Zimbabwe is an interesting story, by the way, I recommend it.

Adults of adults about the banal massacre that has lasted for decades in Palestine, enthusiasm in the style of "what a cool Israeli army, how are the crowds of these stupid Arabs, what cool tanks" and so on. I honestly don't understand.

You look at least once in essence: who in the masses perishes, and from whom perishes. To paraphrase: who in the territory of whom cuts out. The second, whose settlements grow, and whose take on this form:
http://img.vz.ru/upimg/819/819351.jpg
(photo "glance", today's; what is called: find 10 differences with the bombing in the SE).

They poked us here with Chechnya. So Chechnya, my relatives, was rebuilt, the Chechen settlements remained in their places, God forbid socially, socially. Far East live the way Chechnya lives. Because fought for the preservation of the territory within the state - and ensured the preservation not only by military means, but also by providing social services. standards in force within this state.

In Palestine, they are simply fighting over territory: cleansing from another nation, with subsequent development. That’s the whole point.

Yes, perhaps Europeans (and culturally Jews are still Europeans) are clearer to us than Arabs. It seems closer. And the Arabs are not angels. But there are certain limits in overstepping the banal "humanity". Some boundaries between good and bad.

I, too, once in my youth read and admired the "Israeli army", the romance of "building your own country." And as I became closely acquainted with the topic, I gradually came to the conclusion that the "national policy" is being made by scum. And for a long time and well-known to everyone: the ambassador who cut out the Indians, spread rot blacks, Papuans and Indians with the Chinese. The same methods.

[And Us Rat]

A parasite look at things, exaggerating problems (and who does not have them?), And completely ignoring the positive aspects (which by the way are VERY significantly outweigh). You can crucify as much as you like, maybe someone unfamiliar with the topic and will believe it, but the facts (which we literally live), to put it mildly, contradict your theories (you definitely can’t undermine our morale if this is the problem). I advise you to come and see everything with your own eyes, and doubts will disappear. So far, ALL factors are on our side, at least for the next couple of hundred years. The Arab world is more of a pain in our ass than a threat, they keep us united, and they will squabble among themselves until the very essence of Islam changes (settles down), but then they will begin to us (some begin already) philosophically as inevitability (as for the weather), and from there, and until reconciliation is at hand.
In 500-1000 years, when Islam is ill with its "inquisitions" and "crusades" BV will be similar to today's EU, with Israel in its composition.
... unless the United States and Russia finally bury this planet in an attempt to divide it.

[Stypor23]

Quote: And Us Rat

unless the United States and Russia finally bury this planet in an attempt to divide it.

Again Russia is to blame

[dzau]

Quote: And Us Rat

A parasite look at things, exaggerating problems (and who does not have them?)

"Defeatful", if in Russian. And "exaggerating".

But for me it’s quite optimistic and confirmed by objective assumptions. You objected emotionally, but you didn’t give a single argument supported by logic and facts.

Quote: And Us Rat

The Arab world is more a pain in the ass than a threat

On the scale of a dozen generations, it is more of an alien European enclave for the Arabs, a "thorn". Open your eyes wider: the Arab world, even now, when the Arabs are still "weak", is carrying on cultural and demographic expansion into Europe.

What can we say in the long term about a small patch in the desert, where fundamentally there is nothing, industry, technology and even people - everything is alien, unstable, imported. Cut the thread, remove the external feed - and where is it? How long will the states, where the number of bankrupt cities are growing, where such a European "color" expansion is underway, be able to carry a whole (albeit a Baltic class) country around their necks? But they are already being ousted from the region. Bummer with blocking Iran's nuclear program, bummer with Egypt, bummer with Syria, withdrawal of forces from Iraq, Afghanistan.

These are your neighbors. And the prospect is not for them, excuse me, to *** with the amers, but for the small enclave - with *** to have them. The Arab world in the future is something equal to the Indian, Chinese, Brazilian whole. Are you really blind, or don't you even allow?

Human, natural resources, industrial capacities and territorial reserves are not comparable. And then, the people of moneylenders and amateurs in white gallop on someone else's hump - the second Vietnam, the second Afghanistan and the second Belarus, where the people have eaten to their land and rather leave bones there than give it away, will not let them.

It will be bad - brooks will stretch out of Israeli cities - in sheep and goats, Norway, Belgium and Canada. As this, apparently, once already happened. For the most part, no one is ready to rot in the trenches and tunnels.

Although you live on with your own optimism of the fascist scum that you will not have to answer to anyone. There are so many excuses for destroying foreign cities in order to build your own then - others will have some justification when the neighbors begin to destroy you. Oddly enough, not the first time?

[And Us Rat]

I learned Russian from books, and nevertheless, more grammatical than many Russians.

I have already argued a thousand times, I am not a parrot, everything is in the public domain, including a complete economic, demographic and sociological analysis, development prospects, etc. You just won't find it in the "ideologically correct" sources you are used to. I advise you to broaden your horizons beyond anti-Semitic literature.

Nobody will go anywhere from here, the overwhelming majority of Israelis were born and raised here, and not in the first or even second generation. We are "the people who have eaten into their land and would rather leave bones there than yield it." Which has been proven many times. Google "Samson Option".

The Islamic world is not India or China, it is next to them a "violent youngster", they settled down before they rallied, Islam until this century, but having settled down, it will stop threatening us with genocide.

As for the "fascist scum" - this is what you are, your lyrics ooze with anger, hatred and chauvinism.

[dzau]

Quote: And Us Rat

I learned Russian from books, and nevertheless, more grammatical than many Russians.

"More literate". With one "m".

Quote: And Us Rat

Islamic world is not India and not China

They wrote the same thing about China and India. And the Germans are the same about the Russians in the beginning. 40s. "Immature peoples" (meaning: no match for us with whom they "share their lands"), "barbaric culture".

Arab culture has been around for thousands of years. The world owes a lot to Arab mathematics, chemistry, astronomy, and literature. The culture is hardly less old and mature than Indian and Chinese. More developed, apparently, than the Russian Orthodox. And here you will prove to someone about "violent youngsters"?

Quote: And Us Rat

We are "the people who have eaten into their land and would rather leave bones there than yield it."

Forgive me, but what to do with the Arabs, who, in contrast to the Jewish population, continuously lived in this area for several. thousand years? How do you think that the people who have the graves of their grandfathers-great-grandfathers and great-great-greats on this land - "ate" in this land a little more European and American emigrants who settled there not more than a few. decades ago? Will you comment?

Quote: And Us Rat

your lyrics oozing anger, hatred and chauvinism

There is such a thing: zero tolerance for fascism. This is the norm generally accepted in the civilized world. And what is "fascism" regarding the situation in the region, I am inclined to point out purely on the example of solid evidence, appealing to logic and common sense. And a little more morality.

Receptions like "d **** cancer" - you can leave for kindergarten. If on the basis of logic and facts you are incapable of conducting a discussion, and your vulnerable psyche is touched by facts testifying to the fascist methods of the government of your homeland, there is a "ignore" button. Click and get into nirvana.

[DanG73]

Quote: dzau

Since when were Jews registered as "warriors"?

Go back a little bit in history from - 1948 to the present day and you will understand everything yourself.
By the way, the Jews did not sign up for war on their own, but the army, for the same reason, appeared gloriously.

[dzau]

Quote: DanG73

Go back a little bit in history from - 1948 to the present day and you will understand everything yourself.

Go back in history BC. and answer the question: how is such an outstanding nation of "warriors" about *** al, excuse me, their whole country.

And the Arabs just the whole given region quite successfully occupied and mastered. We went much further and mastered much more (and they live there, then) than small, in general, Palestine.

This is on the scale of centuries. Therefore, I would not rush to assess who is the "military" there.

The difference in technological and industrial development is profitable, illusory, vanity. China, too, has recently been "colonized" by whoever is not too lazy, from big uncles like England and the United States to jackals like the Netherlands. Dragons in hundreds of thousands, cutting the controlled pieces with a ruler on the map, as in Africa.

The backlog has been eliminated, and what is China now? But they were driving in the same nonsense about the "narrow-eyed monkeys" as they are now driving in about the "nation of terrorists." Remind you where the legs of modern higher mathematics, and indeed of your numbers in general, grow?

The same to me, the highest race, the children of the Mainkampf, the Narnia military.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: dzau

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I give 100% Arabs and they will lose there, they are not warriors, they are merchants

Since when were Jews registered as "warriors"?

Want to check on yourself? In the ranks of Hamas just the shortage of personnel has begun.
For fun, read detailed descriptions of the battles involving the Israeli army, find out about the uprising in the Warsaw ghetto, the history of the Belsky brothers, work on the stories of Jews awarded orders and medals in the Second World War.
I also have a Viking sofa.

[Stypor23]

Quote: And Us Rat

I also have a Viking sofa.

Well, some still ride horses, don’t worry.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Stypor23

Quote: And Us Rat

I also have a Viking sofa.

Well, some still ride horses, don’t worry.

[Stypor23]

Jewish cops trample a Jew on Jewish soil.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Stypor23

Jewish cops trample a Jew on Jewish soil.

We have a not particularly advertised "folk fun" - to drive the penguins.


Anti-body therapy!

They are popularly called "Hardak", from the words "haredi" (orthodox) and "haidak" (microbe)

[Stypor23]

Quote: And Us Rat

We have a not particularly advertised "folk fun" - to drive the penguins.

I like it.

[dzau]

I doubt that there may be a "shortage of personnel" where people are deprived of their legs, houses, mothers and children every day. If you do not understand this - id * iot.

The order had to be received before BC. era when pro *** there were a country. Unfortunately, the textbooks are silent.

[And Us Rat]

BC lost twice, and both times to vast empires, the Babylonian and Roman, it is the same as the PRC will attack us today and on condition that we do not have nuclear weapons in this conflict (that is, the risk of such an attack is justified). An ancient analogy is not incomparable to today's realities. And by the way - read about the defenders of the Metsada fortress in one of the ancient wars, this is the topic of fortitude.

And about Gaza - minus for the hypocrisy! I see with my own eyes what is happening here! We protect our inhabitants from the terror of Hamas, and our residents are more important to me! We will not sit back and watch how our citizens are killed, just because the palaces can suffer! Their lives are no more valuable than ours! And it’s not for you to make comments to us from a comfortable sofa!

[tilix]

Bravo !!!

[dzau]

Again emotionally, but with facts and logic you are unable to answer.

Well, once again: the territory of Palestine at the beginning of the century is almost entirely populated exclusively by Arabs.

The territory of Palestine today: the Arabs are almost completely crowded out, their populated punts and the inhabitants of these of us. n. apparently disembodied.

What is it called direct words? That's right: occupation (even more accurately: conquest). And again, right: genocide.

What is the "Gaza Strip"? That's right: the territory of Egypt (generally a foreign country), occupied by Israel.

So: we are bombing the settlements of a piece of a foreign country occupied by us. Results: thousands of victims, massive destruction of infrastructure. Motivating this with "protection".

Protection of whom, excuse me, from whom? Maybe it's the inhabitants of these of us. points where de facto no state. Institutions there is no type of army, nothing, you (where there is a regular army, and everything else - is) need to be protected?

Quote: And Us Rat

minus for

I beg you, with your kindergarten with pluses and ratings.

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Quote: Alexander Romanov

And where are all the bandits that were part of the gangs of Gelayev, Basayev, Raduyev and others, others, others. Their number was much larger than the Memorial leads.

They kind of repented and are now peacefully digging gardens.

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Quote: quilted jacket

Palestinian sabotage group raids invaders base

Well, I’ll try to explain this film. To raise the morale, I don’t know who, such patriotic films in Gaza are stamped as cookies, Bollywood is resting. And they are designed accordingly for those who have no idea what the base looks like, commodity, vegetable, etc. Continue to write does not make sense !!!

[padded jacket]

What are you
And here I am, I’ve watched a patriotic video here recently that the allegedly invincible Trophy shot down rockets of course released from the latest RPG Vampire .
And as you correctly said, "And they are designed accordingly for those who have no idea how they look ......." - then add the missing words themselves.

[igor67]

Quote: quilted jacket

What are you
And here I am, I’ve watched a patriotic video here recently that the allegedly invincible Trophy shot down rockets of course released from the latest RPG Vampire .
And as you correctly said, "And they are designed accordingly for those who have no idea how they look ......." - then add the missing words themselves.

I have only one question, when V. Churkin said (allegedly) that Qatar, if it continues to help terrorists fighting against Assad, then the desert will be exaggerated (left over) in Qatar, but when Qatar sponsors against Israel, well done Qatar, some kind of double standards.

[padded jacket]

Are you sure that he said that?
I heard about it, but then he himself declared that it was misinformation.

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Quote: Stypor23

On the one hand, anti-Semites and Natsiks, and on the other, aggressors and killers of civilians.

23, this year And how can you get out of a nickname? Since what year has Hamas become peaceful?

[Stypor23]

Quote: devis

23, this year And how can you get out of a nickname?

23 is a matter of personal pride.

Quote: devis

Since what year has Hamas become peaceful?

I have to put in your Hamas, we have enough of our terras. This is an observation in which Israelis and Russians, as well as citizens of other countries, describe each other with such warm words. For the most part, this is on Jewish topics.

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Quote: quilted jacket

And where will they work there if Israel destroyed everything

And they don’t work there.

[padded jacket]

The economy of the sector was based on small-scale production, fisheries, and agriculture (citrus cultivation). Prior to the Second Intifada, many sector residents worked in Israel or in enterprises in Israeli settlements in the sector. From the beginning of the intifada, and especially after Israel left the sector in 2005, there was no opportunity to work in Israel. And so, insignificant exports ceased as a result of the blockade, and many small enterprises went bankrupt. Fishing also stopped, as Israeli boats prevent fishermen from going to sea.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D1%E5%EA%F2%EE%F0_%C3%E0%E7%E0#.D0.9F.D0.BE.D0.B4_
.D0.B2.D0.BB.D0.B0.D1.81.D1.82.D1.8C.D1.8E_.D0.A5.D0.90.D0.9C.D0.90.D0.A1.D0.B0

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Quote: Stypor23

This is an observation in which Israelis and Russians, as well as citizens of other countries, describe each other with such kind words

But I didn’t understand that it was a comparison. I saw a different light. So I'm sorry for the pride.

[Stypor23]

Quote: devis

I don’t understand this. So I'm sorry for the pride.

Oh come on, it's empty. I, on the contrary, early or late, was waiting for this question.

[tilix]

Seed for tomorrow
It is interesting if in 1224 victims Hamas activists included these:

Hamas shot a protest in Gaza. 5 dead

http://newsru.co.il/mideast/30jul2014/hamas304.html