Mystery "Boeing-777"

Mystery "Boeing-777"

Unfortunately, everything that a person creates with a good purpose, immediately becomes either weaponsor a bargaining chip when dealing with political issues. A simple example: dear America decided at first illegally, and then legally to sell the USSR cigarettes "Camel" ("Camel"). All who feel like it, having been abroad, carried packages of this pleasant "elite" poison. And no one wanted to read small inscriptions in English on the packaging. And there it was written that this product is prohibited for sale in the United States. This is an example of the struggle of the United States against the USSR by one of the methods of undermining the health of those who lick America’s backside, and the less health people have, the less they can do for their homeland, and the greater the cost of medicine.

Now back to Boeing-777. Planes began to be created by people at the end of the 19 century with one goal - to achieve greater speed of movement of a person around the planet. And only in the First World War they were used as weapons. This is sad!

And our ill-fated Boeing, flying over Ukraine, fell into the break of political interests and was shot down. And about three hundred people died in an instant. A terrible act of vandalism subhuman. I thought for a long time whether to write my thoughts or not to write about it, because the dead are not yet buried, and writing on this topic is not very good, the period of the tragedy is very small. But the desire to push living people to thinking won out, and events in Ukraine began to unfold very quickly.

Everything I write here was expressed or shown to the media. The Boeing 777 flew along a standard corridor, then deviated from it by about 500 km and was shot down at a certain hour. The Ministry of Defense of Russia showed all this at its briefing and presented images of Ukrainian means of air defense "Buk" in the same area. I listened, watched and did not believe my eyes - so many questions immediately arose, but no answers, the information is incomplete and it looks as if Russia is completely blind, deaf and backward country.

1. It is alleged that the Ukrainian dispatchers specifically changed the course of the Boeing-777. What for? If the operation to destroy the aircraft was planned in advance, then put the system "Buk" near the Russian border along the corridor and shoot down. And the dispatchers are not needed, and no negotiations, and the "Boeing" will fall on the territory of Russia.

2. But maybe someone wanted the plane wreckage to fall on the territory of an independent republic, and then wanted to declare the militia "cannibals." This is a weak option, since the militias do not have such a system, and managing it requires coherence of the operators and commanders of different parts of the Buk system, and this requires lengthy preparation and a lot of training on at least false moving targets.

3. The Russian Defense Ministry at the briefing presented the trajectory of the aircraft, the deviation and air defense means of Ukraine. And the negotiations did not provide the intruder. "Buki" showed, and the launch of the rocket is not recorded. Can Russia attack with impunity? We do not see or hear? Where is our missile defense system, which sees a goal the size of a tennis ball in earth orbit and hears Merkel farts in his Germany? It means that our MO lied us, i.e., it was silent about something.

4. The Ministry of Defense of Russia saw the combat aircraft of Ukraine at this time near Boeing-777. Some media even reported that there were two Ukrainian combat aircraft. A random witness, the militia saw one plane. What a mess? Is Russia blind again?

5. The media suggested that they wanted to knock down "the board No. XXUMX of Russia" with Putin, whose flight trajectory practically intersected with the trajectory of Boeing-1. I immediately had questions. Why did it have to reject the "Boeing"? This is an extra obstacle for the rocket, shoot down before meeting with "Boeing" or after. Presidential aircraft over the territory of hostilities - frankly someone's criminal nonsense. Putin without fighter escort - I will never believe. And this is two more combat aircraft, Putin and А777 radar reconnaissance aircraft. Our MO also didn’t see them.

6. Imagine that all these 6-7 planes were at this point, and there was a battle, Boeing turned aside to avoid being shot down, but the rocket took it out as a single large target, albeit on the sidelines. The silence of Putin, the Ministry of Defense of Russia about this fact is explicable. This is a war. Russia violated the airspace of Ukraine, Ukraine rightfully attacked the "president". Ukraine suffered a shameful defeat in this battle and therefore is silent, it cannot even bring down the violator.

7. Why not scream about it in America? All is simple. There is a sea of ​​radio communications, both open and encrypted. The “President” and A-50 set radio interference and false targets. Planes begin to turn the carousel, rocket launches. Russia is on the verge of a nuclear strike on the West and the United States. America will never tell anyone about this situation that has been staged by America. And such a number of negotiations, including with the Americans, and such trajectories of airplanes are difficult to fake, is impossible.

8. If the item 5 is correct, then the question arises about the betrayal in the environment of the President of the Russian Federation. The flight trajectory of the 1-th board of Russia is a specially guarded secret. In Ukraine, this should not even be suspected.

But the points 6, 7 and 8 are my assumptions. Perhaps it was not so. One thing is clear: in order to bring down Putin, there is no need at all to divert the course of the Boeing. To bring down the "Boeing", even if it is the goal, it is not at all necessary to deviate it from the standard course. All parties are silent, all keep military secrets.

Many readers, as I anticipate, criticize me a lot and even pick me. I do not mind. And moderators, please do not punish anyone. Somewhere I could be mistaken, and someone can express and more sensible thoughts.
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  1. +1
    30 July 2014 09: 15
    The Ukrainian army used short-range ballistic missiles against militias, CNN reported. This information was confirmed by television sources in the US government.
    “American intelligence recorded with satellites the launch by the Ukrainian army of short-range land-to-ground missiles at the positions of the separatists. This has happened in the last 48 hours, ”said CNN journalist Barbara Starr.
    Meanwhile, ABC television journalist Kirit Radia tweeted with U.S. officials that the Ukrainian military fired three SS-21 short-range ballistic missiles at militia positions in the Snezhnoye area. am
    1. +20
      30 July 2014 10: 09
      The authorities of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) are considering the possibility of ending cooperation with the OSCE in the investigation of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing, RIA Novosti reported. According to representatives of the republic, the OSCE helped to prepare the advance of the Ukrainian army on the position of militias.

      “With the help of OSCE representatives, Ukrainian troops, under the pretext of the need for their access to the crash site, surrounded a small group of the DPR army, which, by agreement with the OSCE, guarded the crash site. Now the Ukrainian security forces are methodically destroying it. This is a violation of all agreements. We were trapped under the guise of international intermediaries. And they willingly played this role, ”a source in the republic’s government said.

      He added that a similar case occurred when the president of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko declared a truce. In his opinion, this was done to regroup the Ukrainian troops and prepare for a further offensive.

      According to an official from the DPR, the authorities intend to stop working with the OSCE and involve representatives of the SCO and organizations of the Asia-Pacific zone in the investigation of the plane crash.

      “The OSCE, as it turned out, is a structure completely controlled by the USA. But it’s impossible to negotiate with the Americans. They always violate their obligations, ”he said.
      1. +10
        30 July 2014 10: 51
        Quote: Patton5
        investigation into the crash of the Malaysian Boeing

        But the flight violator did not submit negotiations. "Buki" showed, but missile launch is not recorded. Can Russia be attacked with impunity? We do not see and hear nothing? Where is our missile defense system that sees a target the size of a tennis ball in low Earth orbit and hears Merkel farts in her Germany? So, our Moscow Region has lied to us, that is, it has kept silent about something.

        I would recommend to author more such materials sucked from the finger and mixed on coffee grounds not to write ...
        1. +2
          30 July 2014 11: 01
          Quote: Rus2012
          I would recommend to author more such materials sucked from the finger and mixed on coffee grounds not to write ...

          Yes, Alexey, don’t look for a black cat in a dark room .... Especially when it is not there.
          1. +1
            30 July 2014 12: 25
            This is an example of the US’s struggle with the USSR as one of the methods of undermining the health of those who lick America’s back seat,

            The American hyena's war against Russia began to the last dill. I just read about their provocation - Operation Rachak.
            They will stop at nothing until they get to the brain.
        2. avg
          30 July 2014 12: 49
          Quote: Rus2012
          I would recommend to author more such materials sucked from the finger and mixed on coffee grounds not to write ...

          That's for sure. There is nothing special to comment on. If the laurels of Dontsova and K haunt, then the literary sections
          amateur detective and unscientific fiction are looking forward to the author.
          1. +1
            30 July 2014 13: 17
            It must be assumed that you know everything. We can conclude that you also participated in the destruction of the Boeing and the hunting aboard No. 1 Russia. Write, if you know the truth, do not be silent.
            1. avg
              30 July 2014 14: 49
              Quote: Алексей_К
              It must be assumed that you know everything.

              I don’t know everything and therefore I am silent. It’s worth writing only that you know at least a little. As I already wrote, in your article there is nothing special to comment on. You will read only a couple of points, everything becomes clear.
              - Putin without escort of fighters - I will never believe. And these are two more combat aircraft, Putin's and A50 radar reconnaissance aircraft.

              - And suppose that all these 6-7 aircraft were at this point, and there was a battle, the Boeing turned to the side itself, so as not to be shot down, but the rocket hit it as a single large target, albeit on the sidelines
        3. -2
          30 July 2014 13: 14
          And you again review the briefing of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. There is not a single word about the talks on the air, and yet Russia has been closely monitoring Ukraine since the last Euro Maidan.
        4. +3
          30 July 2014 13: 20
          In any case, Russia has "trump cards in its sleeve" on Boeing. I think they will be announced after the publication of information from the "black boxes" if it is directed and falsified against Russia.
        5. bif
          30 July 2014 14: 12
          Quote: Rus2012
          I would recommend more such materials to author

          The author explicitly used data from the USA.
          "The US State Department has published the first results of the decoding of the voice recorder from the downed Boeing 777 by British experts.
          The last words of the ship commander were: “We are falling. Putin brought us down. Tighten sanctions urgently. " The recording is interrupted at this point. "
        6. korjik
          30 July 2014 14: 21
          G. Marshall. In addition to recommendations to the author, can you answer the question? Surprise us with your knowledge of the subject.
      2. +2
        30 July 2014 12: 20
        Ahirite! Give the source ... !!!
        1. -6
          30 July 2014 13: 25
          All data is expressed and shown in the media, look on the Internet. And where my assumptions are, I wrote that these are just my assumptions. The president’s plane flew over - a fact. He does not fly unaccompanied by fighters - a fact. The A-50 radar reconnaissance aircraft (my guess) should ensure the safety of the president’s flight over long distances, otherwise they will be shot down. Combat aircraft of Ukraine is a fact. The president’s plane is hardly an unarmed dummy - my guess. All aircraft were concentrated in one (small in size) area. Fight is not excluded - my guess. There are no other sources.
          1. +2
            30 July 2014 13: 44
            Quote: Алексей_К
            The president’s plane flew over - a fact.
            Maybe I missed something? There is evidence that the president’s plane flew over New Russia?
            1. nvv
              30 July 2014 13: 55
              It’s just that the planes in some place lit up in one echelon.
              1. +1
                30 July 2014 18: 51
                Over Poland in my opinion. But in general, the version that they wanted to bring down Putin, IMHO, complete nonsense. Why would he fly from Brazil to Moscow through the territory of New Russia ?? what
          2. Dad Sasha
            30 July 2014 14: 36
            Please tell me how the A-50 flew over the Atlantic, escorting board number 1? Maybe a tanker with fuel followed it along the ocean?
            1. nvv
              30 July 2014 15: 06
              Dad, the smart man on the fingers explains everything below.
            2. +1
              30 July 2014 15: 53
              To control the president’s flight over Ukraine, one does not have to cross the Atlantic. It is enough to fly along the borders of Ukraine. The second one. Do you think that the president flies without protection over the free-for-flight Atlantic? The route is being built for reasons that our warships are not far away. Flight Ilov A-50 about 10 thousand km. with one refueling. To fly the Atlantic, you need two refueling. One from one edge of the Atlantic, the second, for example, in South America. Flights of the President and escorts are discussed in advance. And yet, how do you think the president himself flew, maybe teleported?
          3. 0
            31 July 2014 01: 11
            even if this is the goal, there is no need at all to deviate it from the standard course.

            If the Boeing was the target (99% that is the case), it should be shot down over the rebel regions, and not south of them.
      3. ABV
        30 July 2014 16: 25
        Gentlemen of analytics! we ALL read the news on other sites too. Let's leave comments on the topic of the article, do not litter the forum!
        P.S. to the first two comments ...
    2. nvv
      30 July 2014 10: 17
      I did not find a more accurate version of what happened on the network. Poroshenko requested a truce. He will ask Lukashenko to facilitate this process. Further, according to the worked out scenario. Provocation. And a request to send troops to protect the territory of the fall.
    3. +7
      30 July 2014 10: 38
      Everyone understands that the death of a Boeing is a provocation of mattresses who want to hang all the dogs in Russia and make it an aggressor.
      1. nvv
        30 July 2014 11: 42
        Giant. Pyakin clarifies the situation with the Boeing. Next, the situation will be as follows. Poroshenko requested a truce. Ask Lukashenko to facilitate this process. Further, according to the worked out scenario. Provocation. Accusation of the DNI. And a request to send troops to protect the territory of the fall
    4. Ujin61
      30 July 2014 10: 43
      Bullshit. To paraphrase Bulgakov, never read Soviet newspapers before dinner ...
      1. +7
        30 July 2014 12: 26
        In the elderberry garden, and in Kiev - uncle !!!
        The nonsense begins with cigarettes: on packs they really write about the ban on sales in the United States, but only because these are export lots without VAT. Accordingly, it is impossible to import them back and sell them.
        if the author is so free to fantasize about incomprehensible (for him) inscriptions on packs - I am sure that he interprets everything else as well!

        (Che can not be minus several times?)
        1. +1
          30 July 2014 13: 34
          Camel cigarettes were eventually sold in the USSR and Russia on the basis of official purchases. So all taxes were paid. It's just that the tobacco of this Camel contained substances prohibited for use and could accelerate the cause of cancer, i.e. they were not cleaned to save time.
          1. 0
            30 July 2014 22: 28
            Who was "not cleaned up"? Packs? Cigarettes were dirty? They explained to you that tobacco tax in the USA, excise tax was not paid from these cigarettes. Therefore, they are not for sale in the USA. Even on licensed CDs they write (wrote) "not for sale in EU countries" They are apparently poisoned.
      2. -1
        30 July 2014 13: 30
        Maybe you think that is nonsense. But you expressed only your emotions. D. Psaki also acts in the same way, according to the Internet, Russia was hit by a Boeing, but there are no facts. Are you probably her fan and follower?
        1. +4
          30 July 2014 14: 20
          And you can ask the author what kind of "training on false moving targets"? I, as an air defense officer, are very curious.
          Another question: what, that the president flew to Latin America, accompanied by the A-50 and fighters? Then who and where refuel them in the air?
          And what kind of aerial combat are you talking about here? Virtual fighter escort from the Su-25, sent to intercept side number 1?
          You may be offended, but I did not even hear such nonsense from Psaki.
          You should not try to reason with a smart look about what you do not even have a square idea ...
          1. 0
            30 July 2014 16: 29
            Aircraft drones. You must know about them. These are Soviet and Russian models, they are not enemy, and therefore false. And how flew Tu-160 to Venezuela and further back. To Venezuela more than 14 thousand km. (approximately 20 thousand km). And as I understand it from your words, that Russia was at great risk of losing them in the vast expanses of the Atlantic without escort. In Obama’s place, I would certainly take advantage and bring them down by means of countries like Bolivia.
            1. 0
              30 July 2014 17: 32
              Comrade The air defense system’s calculations are trained in targeting either from simulation equipment, or from civilian sides, or from combat aircraft upon request. They shoot at unmanned target aircraft at ranges, because they cannot be false by definition. Do not powder people with brains if you do not own the topic.
              For reference. Countries like Bolivia do not have air defense systems capable of shooting down targets over the Atlantic.
              1. -1
                30 July 2014 22: 30
                Grandfather smoked byak today, a little inadequate, do not pay attention)))
  2. +7
    30 July 2014 09: 17
    And where do they just get this intelligence? from which networks?
    "White House spokesman Josh Ernest said on Tuesday, July 29, that Washington has evidence of Russian missile use against Ukraine.
    The Russian Defense Ministry denied the information about the shelling of Ukrainian troops from the territory of Russia, calling the images provided by American intelligence as fakes. "
    1. Vik.Tor
      30 July 2014 09: 50
      They won’t find intelligence so they’ll come up with whether it’s a difficult business.
    2. +18
      30 July 2014 10: 15
      There was no shelling. Ours intercepted the Ukrop missiles launched from Tochka. Because the hell knows where they are going, and what they are carrying - the 9M79 launch vehicle used by Tochka, a suitable launch vehicle for tactical nuclear warheads. Therefore, the militias shrug their shoulders - had it not been for an interception, they would have shrugged their shoulders in the afterlife, trying to understand what it was.
      And that is precisely why we were sharply accused of violating the INF Treaty (from which it’s high time to get the hell out of it).
      In addition, the United States must be destroyed. Preferably by mistake.
  3. +11
    30 July 2014 09: 17
    Some media even reported that there were two Ukrainian combat aircraft
    - for some media, Ukrainians are the ancestors of people!
    In the media there was an assumption that they wanted to bring down "board No. 1 of Russia" with Putin, whose flight path almost intersected with the Boeing 777.
    - no one knows where and when board number 1 will fly!
    Alexei, why didn’t you ask yourself a question - why don’t you show your relatives? And where is the flight MH370? hi
    1. arch_kate3
      30 July 2014 09: 36
      Right! The question about flight МН370 remains! They simply don’t tell us the truth, so that we don’t be horrified - do they regret it ???
    2. +3
      30 July 2014 10: 23
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      In the media there was an assumption that they wanted to bring down "board No. 1 of Russia" with Putin, whose flight path almost intersected with the Boeing 777.
      The most interesting question: why did dill drag so many Bukovs to the Boeing span and all of them turned it on. Probably they were still waiting for someone. If you don’t board with GDP, it’s possible, for example, the Tu-214 OH scout (by the way it looks like a Boeing 777)
    3. +6
      30 July 2014 10: 34
      Yes, after a large-scale tragedy, relatives of the victims are always shown. And here they do not show. I have not seen, at least.
      That "missing" Boeing, of course, was hijacked. If he had been knocked out by accident or on purpose, or had fallen himself, fragments and fragments would have been found. And since the fragments and fragments have not yet been found, it means that they simply do not exist. Those. the plane is hijacked.
      There was a version that the whole story with a wrecked Boeing was a big show, the flight was a fiction from the very beginning, that it was that hijacked plane loaded with corpses. It sounds paranoid. However, much converges.
      1. +2
        30 July 2014 10: 57
        Interesting version. I even pissed off as a thriller lover. But one of the aircraft was a Boeing 747, and the other a Boeing 777.
        1. 0
          30 July 2014 12: 31
          On the the fence wiki says both are 777



          Another point is this. The Dutch office Royal Dutch Shell (or the English-Dutch, I don’t know the subtleties, but they headquarters in the Dutch Hague) was going to drill near Slavyansk - dobych
          A wrecked Boeing flew just from Amsterdam. Those. interested oil and gas workers could stir up anything with this Boeing at home.
          As the militia left Slavyansk - so right there these guys drew with a drill.
          What a war. Who is fighting for what. So think what you want after such a coincidence smile
          1. Heavy
            30 July 2014 13: 43
            so there were seemingly reports that Shell is curtailing work in the east because of the war, but experts write that the real reason "gas was not found in industrial scales", I don't know how much you can believe it,
            there is a link in English

            here in Russian
      2. -1
        30 July 2014 13: 33
        Well what nonsense. Please show at least some prudence and do not bear heresy. I often cite the abnormal comments of Ukrainians as an example, as an example of delirium. But now I won’t be able to do that, because on my part there are people who are not inferior in delirium to some Ukrainians (the pole of delirium is only different).
      3. 0
        30 July 2014 15: 53
        A few thoughts;
        1. if there was a group of conference participants on board (AIDS seems to be), it is possible for the convenience of these people, after take-off, the event secretary collected passports for issuing migration cards.
        2. the presence of perforated (expired) passports is explained by the presence of valid visas (as a result, somewhere there must be valid passports for the same names).
        3. in case of explosion at an altitude of 10km. and depressurization of the cabin due to decompression - the capillaries and epidermis of the skin burst like a sponge with blood - at 35 ° C it begins to rot very quickly.
        on conspiracy theories do not pull.
    4. 0
      30 July 2014 13: 45
      If they fire at an OSCE mission, then relatives will not be allowed into the territory of independent republics. The bodies of the dead I do not know where they are now, in Ukraine or in Holland, or both. And the genetic identification procedure requires relatives. Our media do not show this. What I have not heard anything about, I can’t even guess. Maybe everything is in order in this matter?
  4. SVD
    30 July 2014 09: 21
    The author asks the naive questions, as if he himself did not think or analyze anything. Minus article.
  5. +6
    30 July 2014 09: 23
    An article a set of phrases and questions does not correspond to the title I would like specifics. I’m still interested in how only the identity of one deceased during all this time was established and why all the passports of the deceased are as if they were only printed and this is after a severe crash request
    1. +11
      30 July 2014 09: 32
      Quote: pexotinec
      Article set of phrases and questions does not match the title.

      It also starts with nonsense:
      And no one wanted to read small inscriptions on the packaging in English. And there it was written that this product is prohibited for sale in the United States.

      I will tell the author a terrible secret: this marking was put on all excisable goods. Those. The product is intended for sale outside the United States, export duty has been taken from it, VAT and other fees not interesting to the average person have been returned. If you bring it back to the United States, it will either be smuggling, or you need to re-export. And nothing more.
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 13: 49
        You're not right. Specific consignments of Camels are simply prohibited from being sold in the US, not resale from other countries.
    2. +2
      30 July 2014 10: 15
      Quote: pexotinec
      I’m still interested in how only the identity of one deceased during all this time was established and why all the passports of the deceased are as if they were only printed and this is after a severe crash

      I am wondering, for example, whether the destructive elements from the Buk missile were found in the bodies of the dead? This alone would have removed a number of questions ... The fragments of the fuselage had to be taken out on railway platforms, the locomotive still dragged three unfortunate refrigerators with corpses, it could have taken away the elements of the plane ... And now material evidence is stupidly dying in the steppe ... On the fuselage skin, large holes are clearly visible, which are not characteristic of "shrapnel" and they are in the lower part of the fuselage, and the "Buka" rocket makes a "slide", going above the target and covering it with an "umbrella" of striking elements ... This is what I broadcast what was written previously by weapons experts, did not compose myself ...
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 13: 56
        Quote: Altona
        And now material evidence stupidly dying in the steppe.
        The locals did not manage to demolish the "black boxes" for metal acceptance.
  6. pahom54
    30 July 2014 09: 23
    Of course, there are many questions, but, unfortunately, we, ordinary people, will never get answers to them ...
    Well, in essence, I will ask the author a question: Have you tried to write fantastic prose ???
    I do not put an article and thoughts of the author either plus or minus - everyone has the right to their own thoughts and conjectures ...
    1. koshh
      30 July 2014 10: 40
      Quote: pahom54
      Have you tried to write fantastic prose ???

      That's right, the author’s fantasy is quite rich. It seems to me that he also wrote an article impromptu, relying only on some well-known facts.
      1. -1
        30 July 2014 12: 26
        ..... and a bottle of beer! )))
        1. 0
          30 July 2014 14: 00
          I practically do not drink.
      2. 0
        30 July 2014 14: 00
        So I just draw conclusions from the present and necessary, but totally present information. Nobody has forbidden me to think so far.
    2. -1
      30 July 2014 13: 59
      I wrote that some texts are my guess, but I will never believe that the RF Ministry of Defense does not know about negotiations between dispatchers and pilots and does not know about the launch of a Buk missile. There is something that the Russian Defense Ministry does not want to divulge. The flight of the president’s plane was not discussed at all by the MO. The media is talking about the president’s flight and this was the launch of the Buk missile in the area. This is actually an attack on the president of the Russian Federation.
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 14: 39
        And how can we draw conclusions from the missing information? Teach ...
        And for general development: not a single army in the world (including the Russian Ministry of Defense) intercepts or listens to all negotiations between air traffic controllers and pilots. This is absolutely unnecessary and technically impossible. These negotiations are recorded and stored in air traffic control services.
        About whether or not the Buk missile was launched, until NOBODY presented reliable evidence. What are we talking about? Just shake the air?
        1. 0
          30 July 2014 16: 37
          When the president of the country flies, everyone listens, all the more so in Ukraine there are military operations, she is nearby. And they listen in normal conditions. Communicated with officers and operators of communications troops. I’m also a former officer, only the profession is different.
  7. +1
    30 July 2014 09: 28
    Young Strelkov does not forget about the cultural heritage:
  8. +9
    30 July 2014 09: 31
    Idiocy!!! Not an article
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 03
      And you express your opinion about this event and we will also find out the opinion of readers about you.
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 14: 52
        You, of course, do not take your imagination! Everyone and everything was woven together. Who told you that the Buk-M1 air defense missile system was launched at all. I will tell you a secret, if a plane is operating in the launch zone, then the air defense system is silent, there is a ban on combat work. The Su-25 was working in the zone, and, probably, he was far from alone, so there could be no launch of the air defense system. Combat aircraft have sensors for detecting signals from ground-based radars and launching a rocket. Do you think the pilot was a kamikaze? Yes, he would have catapulted the first time such an alarm was triggered! It feels like you are working on someone's order in the article. However, your equipment is rather weak, therefore it is implausible.
  9. +6
    30 July 2014 09: 31
    To the author, the urine hit the head clearly from the heat, a delusional article from a lantern from the category of shallows Emelya is your week
    1. -1
      30 July 2014 12: 32
      Or maybe just custom !?
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 14: 06
        I am not a journalist or a writer. And I can express my opinion while the Military Review allows me to do this. About you, I can also say: but the Cossack is mishandled.
    2. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 03
      It’s cold in our Urals. Take a look at my profile.
  10. +2
    30 July 2014 09: 35
    Yes, there’s a lot of trouble with this airplane, it’s suspicious to me, for example, why the crowds of relatives of the dead do not show me, remember the missing airplane before, because there was a full airport of relatives, and it seemed that only orphans flew on it.
    1. koshh
      30 July 2014 10: 49
      Quote: vjatsergey
      so there was a full airport of relatives, and on it as if some orphans were flying.

      There the plane disappeared, so the relatives gathered in the place where he was supposed to fly. In the same case, the fact of death was established, the bodies on identification and relatives are shown selectively, and those who agree to the interview.
  11. arch_kate3
    30 July 2014 09: 37
    Yes, knowledge is power, and who wants to share it?
  12. +2
    30 July 2014 09: 38
    Well, the conspiracy theorist. Worth the time to spend?
    Read boulevard literature less and watch A. merovskie fighters.
    1. -1
      30 July 2014 14: 09
      I am not conspiring. My real name is Alexey Konovalov. But you are hiding behind an incomprehensible nickname. It only speaks of your fear of someone. So the conspiracy therapist is you.
  13. +6
    30 July 2014 09: 39
    the author simply collected all idle fiction, rumors and gossip from the network, dumped them all in a pile in order to conclude:
    "" "I looked and did not believe my eyes - so many questions immediately arose, but there are no answers, the information is incomplete and looks as if Russia is completely blind, deaf and backward country." ""
    Enough to talk nonsense about "board number 1"! with what fright he would have flown through Ukraine ??? is that, a charter with huckster or what ??? and this is when there is a fully controlled, protected area over Belarus ???
    1. +3
      30 July 2014 13: 37
      and most importantly why the heck do such a hook ?, moreover, they wrote that the Boeing with board number 1 dispersed over Warsaw with a difference of half an hour. Ours through Poland and Belarus calmly returned home. Article nonsense, really a bunch of hypotheses for REN-TV
    2. -1
      30 July 2014 14: 14
      Do you think the briefing of the Russian Defense Ministry is fiction? And the fact that even the radio talks did not present at the briefing is a fact. And if our Defense Ministry does not hear the enemy and does not see missile launches, then Russia alone is deaf, blind and defenseless. If otherwise, then they lie to us. The president’s plane flying over Ukraine in this area at that time does not deny the Russian Defense Ministry.
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 14: 57
        judging by the briefings, everything is just fine with us!;) Americans out of social networks generally scoop "facts" based on your logic - they have absolutely tobacco business
        1. 0
          30 July 2014 16: 41
          They do not want to provide their information, because it’s hard to falsify. Russia will immediately give exactly the same data, only true. Specialists instantly distinguish fakes. In the meantime, the United States and Russia still do not want to give out soy intelligence capabilities.
      2. +1
        30 July 2014 15: 00
        V. Putin is a lawyer by training. If it is initially clear that all these attacks are directed against Russia and be its side of defense according to the rules of international law, then such a party will never present its evidence before it is submitted by the prosecution. Otherwise, in this case, juggling of facts and distortion of real data are inevitable. The enemy must be blind until the last second. But you demand to reveal the cards right now, ahead of time. And, in this case, who do you work for, Alexey Kovalev?
        1. 0
          30 July 2014 16: 43
          My last name is Konovalov. Intercepting radio communications is no secret at all. There is nothing top secret here. But fixing missile launches is another matter.
  14. +1
    30 July 2014 09: 47
    Too much thought, and the truth is usually pretty simple. A provocation was planned, the Armed Forces of Ukraine prepared for it, both sides know the truth. But telling the whole truth means leaving little "room" for maneuver. It is enough to ask who benefits from such a provocation, how all alternative fabrications will go away from being.
  15. +2
    30 July 2014 09: 49
    Well, for example: ours learned about the upcoming provocation of ukrov in advance, as usual it "took place" for various reasons, for example, a few hours (not weeks) and ours were able to "fix" everything well in order to use it against the perpetrators, but then again thought after what happened - "it turned out badly, they knew and did not prevent it, although we are friends with Malaysia, with the Netherlands so far too." If you publish it, it turns out that you contributed ... That is why behind-the-scenes diplomacy works! Well, for example, such a version? The Americans had a very win-win option: the solution of their strategic problems in Malaysia, a subtle hint of the European part of the Shell, a provocation on the territory of the DPR, pouring slop over the GDP and many other advantages! And where is our profit ???
  16. +2
    30 July 2014 09: 51
    Cho for nonsense! ??
  17. RUSLAT
    30 July 2014 09: 52
    Not an article, but some nonsense of an amateur! Firstly, who said that the Russian Ministry of Defense provided ALL information. By analyzing the information, you can determine all the air defense systems of Russia. Therefore, the information was presented only that which is possible! And I don’t want to talk about the rest, fantasies and only .......
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 17
      Interception of radio communications is not a secret. Radio waves propagate freely, you can not forbid them. Caught by all who can. The missile launch registration system was created half a century ago, which is also a mystery to me.
  18. +1
    30 July 2014 09: 53
    There is a lot of foam, the question is, why did the author write all this? To build up consciousness and make the brain doubt is very similar to the activity of American specialists in propaganda. So dear, turn off your activity, at the wrong time you chose the wrong country. the truth is she always comes up over the foam, a matter of time!
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 24
      If you are too lazy to think about events that have happened and about facts, and think about why some facts are hiding, this does not mean that I am a spy and propagandist serving America. Rather, the folly and stupidity of people plays into the hands of America. I was raised by a Soviet man, a Russian citizen, I served in the army as an officer, I was ready to shed blood for my homeland. Military honor is above all for me. So do not drive the foam yourself.
      1. +1
        30 July 2014 14: 53
        An officer who even served in the construction battalion will not write such nonsense. I can believe in one case, if you are a political officer.
        1. 0
          30 July 2014 16: 46
          Executive officer. Enough.
  19. +2
    30 July 2014 09: 55
    To write articles, you need to study various data, for example, about board number 1-usually planes fly almost straight routes, this is necessary to save fuel, and the intersection point was in the Warsaw region, you do not need to be a great geometer to understand the trajectory of movement through Belarus to Smolensk ! When I first heard this news in our media, I first looked at the map and everything fell into place. And about the rest of the theses in this article, everything is very controversial, we must not forget that the whole story with Boeing is a provocation, and the goal may be the one that the media will never unearth! Think of the "Evil Empire" in 1983 !!! Let's wait for the results of the investigation, evaluate the objectivity! Moreover, no matter how blasphemous it may sound, this story fades into the background, the United States is preparing a new provocation! They need to keep up the pace !!! USA must be destroyed !!!
    1. +3
      30 July 2014 10: 04
      Alexei, why did you write about a 500 km deviation from the course or is it a technical error?
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 14: 27
        Perhaps I was mistaken, wrote from memory.
    2. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 27
      The 777 Boeing did not fly to Warsaw or from Warsaw at all. There are corridors for this through Germany and Poland. Do you think he decided to make a cruise over Ukraine?
  20. +2
    30 July 2014 09: 58
    Quote: Hammer 75
    then deviated from it by about 500 km and at a certain hour was shot down


    Is Boeing deviated by 500 km?
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 28
      Perhaps I was mistaken, wrote from memory.
  21. +1
    30 July 2014 10: 02
    As a layman, I have only one question - what type of missile shot down the Boeing, air-to-air or surface-to-air.
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 29
      The OSCE Commission has not yet examined anything. No results.
  22. +2
    30 July 2014 10: 08
    The author does not own the material "-"
    1. -1
      30 July 2014 14: 30
      Own, write your truth. Let's see how you evaluate all these events.
  23. RF-23
    30 July 2014 10: 09
    Everyone thinks as he can.)
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 31
      I agree that everyone thinks as he can.
  24. 0
    30 July 2014 10: 18
    Minus article. Author, do you work for Psaki or what?
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 33
      You do not like something in my reasoning. And I don’t like when Russia hides the truth. From this point of view, this is Russia working for Psaki, giving it freedom to lie.
  25. +1
    30 July 2014 10: 22
    I agree with most theses

  26. +2
    30 July 2014 10: 24
    To the author, the plane of the President of the Russian Federation is not guarded by fighters of the Armed Forces, outside the zone of Russia. Judging by the pictures of the damage to the Boeing, they are in its side, but the Buk missile, before detonating at the target, makes a slide and hits from the upper hemisphere! Draw conclusions.
    1. Drfreeman
      30 July 2014 12: 49
      "Buka" before detonating at the target makes a hill and hits from the upper hemisphere - it seems to me
      fantastic. How this happens, you can imagine, a combat plane flies at a speed exceeding the speed of sound and here the rocket makes a slide, it’s hard to believe it.
      Anti-ship missiles do so.
      1. +1
        30 July 2014 13: 28
        Believe all that.
  27. +1
    30 July 2014 10: 29
    The article is similar to the test of the pen of a novice science fiction writer. But I didn’t set a minus for creating the plot ....
  28. Scorpio
    30 July 2014 10: 30
    From everything that happened, thinking logically, it turns out that it was necessary to bring down a civilian plane over the territory of the militias in order to accuse them of terrorism, and the Russian Federation of aiding. Which was done. The question remains only at the level of the setup - Ukrainians did this from their Bukahs, placed in advance closer to the militia, or, having received intelligence about the existence of such air defense, we transmitted information to the Ukrainians and developed a special operation - rejecting the Boeing route and sending desa about some AN-26, which will fly in a given place at a given time. Judging by the fact that so far they have not provided any normal satellite images, as well as photo-video - they could not capture the Buk from the militias (in any condition). Ukrainians conducted Boeing with army radars, accompanied him by airplanes. Shooting from the aircraft was clearly conducted. Perhaps something went wrong as ukram wanted, so I had to shoot it down with ukrian air defense or an air gun (this is the version). Why exactly this board? Because on board are citizens of the EU and Asian countries (they must be set up against the militia and the Russian Federation). Why exactly this date? Because in a few hours the advance of the Ukrainian army has already been planned and prepared (under the cover of a Boeing, you can calmly bomb, cover villages, cities, towns from the city, etc. - the world is busy with other news).
  29. +2
    30 July 2014 10: 38
    and if so? an order has been received (from where, without a word, of course) to provoke (such as bring down the Russian board number one.) they send a plane and, to direct it to the target, the radar. (Well, who will let the radar apart. Fawn-s. because with beeches.) Drying patrols (like in ambush) the sky. and suddenly a liner with a blue-red-white color. drugged by Ukrainian drug, a pilot fires a cannon at a Boeing gun (to make it easier to blame the militias. they don’t have missiles). but the Boeing turns away and tries to leave (it’s real. The Boeing has a higher speed and a height higher than that of drying). Most likely the pilot even screams a gunfire (therefore, they don’t provide a record of negotiations with controllers). Ukrainians are frightened and finish off with a rocket from the ground . and then the recorder was decrypted. and America was blown away. yesterday.
  30. +5
    30 July 2014 10: 39
    The article is complete nonsense of conspiracy theories. Board number 1 do not touch at all. Boeing 777 - a provocation against Russia. Russian Defense Ministry did not publish everything. Trumps held for later. In the political game against the Russian Federation, professional cheaters play. And the cheaters know that we know what they know. Therefore, 99% that the world does not know the whole truth. East Kazakhstan region has complete information about any object in the atmosphere. And her (Old) will be issued on the mountain only when the time comes ч.
    .Article minus.
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 44
      Yes, I’m not conspiring, I’m a real person with this name and surname. I wrote about a possible battle that these are my assumptions. You have also written assumptions now, only yours, too, something to call nonsense? This is just your opinion.
  31. Asan Ata
    30 July 2014 10: 46
    It would be possible to remove the main body parts of the aircraft in 3D, and then assemble it on a computer.
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 45
      Usually they do.
  32. +2
    30 July 2014 10: 47
    I will repeat once again "The Moment of Truth" here is a good analysis of why it was necessary to shoot down Boeing and why Putin is so disagreeable, but if Parashenko fell for the United States and, as always, screwed up, then Putin is not vindictive but his memory is EXCELLENT and he has enough patience for all the freaks that Parashenko signed his own verdict. The version about Putin with 34 minutes somewhere
  33. +1
    30 July 2014 11: 00
    I don’t even want to discuss ... What does the author smoke?
    1. +1
      30 July 2014 12: 36
      Quote: navara399
      What does the author smoke?

      The author is simply not competent and simply expressed his opinion. What so attacked that?
    2. +1
      30 July 2014 14: 47
      I don’t smoke, I don’t drink, I don’t use wheels and glue, and I don’t inject. I have satisfied your curiosity.
  34. +2
    30 July 2014 11: 01
    Well, 5,6,7,8 points are swept aside at once, they could be combined into one. Point 1 - it is still necessary to manage to place the "Buki" closer to the border - this is just a light exposure, and here the area of ​​the systems installation is as close as possible to the area controlled by the militia. (there is also an expert opinion on this)
    Paragraphs 2-3 - not all MO information can be publicized, much less the sources from which it is obtained, whether it be people or satellites or some other tracking system. hi
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 53
      Wherever the Ukrainian Buki stand, they are tracked daily from satellites. On their territory, Ukrainians can put them anywhere. By the way, militias do not control the entire territory where they are located. They create only temporarily protected territories, a kind of analogy with fortified areas, only mobile ones. The siloviki can move with impunity through the fields and meadows of the Independent Republics, which they sometimes do.
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 15: 20
        yes, the point was not where to put it, they pulled them as close as possible to the positions of the militia, in order to further declare that the launch was carried out from an area controlled by the militia. There is another version, Ukrainian "Buks" were located in the direction of movement of one of the international air routes, you can find this route on any navigation map. That's what was the placement of them in that area.
  35. +2
    30 July 2014 11: 13
    Enough to suspect the author of connections with Psaki and other things, only because he has a different opinion.
    The world, especially the political one, especially if the United States is involved in politics is very complicated, and sometimes the most delusional and strange version turns out to be true. So that the author just expressed his opinion. Well done, that he decided and wrote an article. Even though I disagree with most of the questions and answers in the article.
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 11: 31
      Maybe Psaki and ask her authoritative opinion ...
  36. +2
    30 July 2014 11: 28
    The opinion of a German expert ...
    Missile attack on the Malaysian Boeing is ruled out, as the cockpit contains bullet holes. This transfers the blame for the killing of civilian passengers to the Ukrainian Air Force.
    German expert Peter Haisenko posted his comment on the MH17 disaster.
    “The data of black boxes are now known to be in England and are being evaluated. What can they give? Maybe more than you want to accept ... if you look at the image of fragments of the cockpit, then this picture, of course, will shock you.
    Bullet inlet and outlet openings in the cockpit area. This is not speculation, but an analysis of clear facts: the cockpit (cockpit) shows clear evidence of bullet holes. You can see the entry holes and some exit points. The edges of the bullet holes are bent inward, they are much smaller and round in shape. 30mm caliber. Outlets are less well formed and the edges tear out. In addition, it can be seen that the outlet openings broke through the aluminum casing twice and tilted them out. That is, the fragments from inside the cabin went outside of it. The open rivets were also bent outward ... There is only one conclusion that can be drawn, and it is as follows:
    The plane was not shot down by a rocket. Damage to the aircraft are located exclusively in the cockpit area ...

  37. +2
    30 July 2014 11: 33
    I am surprised that the moderators missed this publication.
    The article is about nothing, IMHO.
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 14: 56
      Life will show what it is about, IMHO.
  38. Everest2014
    30 July 2014 11: 33
    Svidomo, go to the censor, they will love you there. Now, regarding the beeches and the route of the aircraft: the bee dill could not be delivered directly along the route, they still have a war, although they themselves do not recognize this. Therefore, the slaughter plane was brought closer to the launch site. Everything else that the aftyr has scored is worthy of the garbage.
    1. -1
      30 July 2014 14: 59
      How many do not call names, do not offend. Your words speak only about your lack of education. Well, you don’t know the racial language - a loser and an ignoramus.
  39. Vitalka
    30 July 2014 11: 34
    I would recommend to author more such materials sucked from the finger and mixed on coffee grounds not to write ..

    Cigarettes, planes, Presidents - I do not want to offend, but in the head of a citizen the author's confusion.
  40. +1
    30 July 2014 11: 44
    And I think, why found only one cell? Because the dead do not call? And people smelly got caught, probably did not wash for a year. The corpses are certainly real, but where they died is the question.
  41. +2
    30 July 2014 12: 01
    the author, but what did you want to say? So? Threw on the fan? wink
    1. -1
      30 July 2014 15: 02
      I wanted to say that not only cannibal America hides the truth from us, but also our Motherland-Russia. And this evokes thoughts of betrayal at the top of Russia or stupidity, as Stalin had in 1941, when he did not believe that the Nazis would attack the USSR.
  42. +1
    30 July 2014 12: 11
    As an option, the fact that the ukrpiteks of the United States played "in the dark. They drove the misinformation that will board the GDP. And the fools decided to hit the jackpot". From the excitement of firewood and namali. The states are all one benefit. Judging by the photo on the planes, traces of hits from an aircraft cannon are visible. I don’t know how on the Buk and on the s200v of the 5v28 rocket, the filling of the obch steel balls and the plane flies into a cloud of these submunitions. This is due to the way the rocket approaches and the operating mode of the radio fuse. The cannon worked and finished off the air (or vice versa)
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 15: 03
      This is not a disinformation; the Russian Defense Ministry does not deny the passage of the presidential plane.
    2. 0
      30 July 2014 18: 29
      And for the S-200V crews, is it in the order of things to shoot when your own aircraft are operating in the affected area? I don’t know about the S-200, but the Buk-M1 is not fired like that. And the filling there is not balls, but "T" -shaped, laid around the warhead, as in "Tetris". It is controversial about the slide during detonation, the rocket goes along an almost exactly straight line, to the area of ​​the largest EPR area. The rocket even has a contact fuse, that is, a direct hit with an explosion inside the body is possible.
  43. +2
    30 July 2014 12: 17
    Well apparently put the grass
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 15: 04
      Do not judge by yourself.
  44. 0
    30 July 2014 12: 44
    @@@@@ I thought for a long time whether to write my thoughts or not to write about this, because the dead are not yet buried, and writing on this topic is not very good, the term of the tragedy is very short. But the desire to push living people to thoughts won, events in Ukraine began to unfold very quickly. @@@@@

    It would be better if I thought longer, and did not distract normal and sensible people from rest. You even had modest desires to push living people to thinking. Probably at that time I looked in the mirror, I saw living people there and wished ... In a word, such nonsense has not been it was. I don’t even want to laugh or be indignant ... You yourself will understand, or those who know you personally will just physically tell me ... I would have to !!!
  45. +1
    30 July 2014 13: 05
    everything is piled up, and the main idea is that the state is lying to us, it’s all it, vile ... an article of a neglected European, it’s true, in Russia it’s a lie. I don’t want to think with my head, but if you strain the thinking apparatus you can see a clear, standard staff trace, which they have repeatedly used and with constant success. guys think with your head
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 15: 14
      In the entire history of mankind there has not yet been a single state that would not lie to its subjects. By the way, I am a supporter of the Communist Party, so I value myself as an enemy of modern Maidan, liberals, Europe and even more so the United States. And if you see a template from the USA, then give a similar example in modern history. I would gladly agree with you about the template if you tell your readers exactly the same story that happened with the Boeing 777. Waiting for your evidence.
  46. +1
    30 July 2014 13: 09
    Quote: Patton5

    “The OSCE, as it turned out, is a structure completely controlled by the USA. But it’s impossible to negotiate with the Americans. They always violate their obligations, ”he said.

    And the head of the OSCE mission in Ukraine, Michael Botsyurkiv, the son of Bandera, who fled to Canada! How can you trust them at all!
  47. +1
    30 July 2014 13: 17
    In general, all the "deep" reflections on the causes of the Boeing disaster, as well as conclusions about who is behind this disaster, are based on sand. Only when all the data necessary for such conclusions will be available to professionals and the conclusions drawn by them will be free from the political influence of certain parties, then it will be possible to talk about something.
    But the problem is that we will never wait for either the entire amount of data or objective conclusions. As did not wait in the case of the terrorist attack of September 11.
    In either case, and in this, too much was at stake to allow some experts to paint an objective picture of what happened. And the national interests of a number of countries are at stake, which is nothing more than a set of selfish interests of the mighty of these countries. So if you are not one of those in the "skins", sleep well. You still won't know the truth. And it is useless to indulge oneself with illusions at our age
  48. wanderer
    30 July 2014 13: 25
    when a person first encounters words such as an automatic machine gun, a bullet, a rocket, and such words as a BUK or C200 I generally keep silent, for the scribbler of this article - aerobatics ... but I (the author) want to write something and write without fail something very interesting, and at the same time you need to look smart ... like this article - crap he was introduced to us by the so-called Alexey Konovalov .... either his name is really that, or it’s such a clique. am
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 16: 54
      That’s my name and I’m not hiding from anyone, like you, "wanderer". Cowardice has never painted real men. And what can a person who is hiding behind a pseudonym write. Just NOT TRUE.
  49. +1
    30 July 2014 14: 00
    Everyone needs to understand what our Ministry of Defense said and showed only what it could, I'm sure that they have plenty of evidence of someone else's (most likely Ukrop guilt). They just left the window or thought that the moment to drive the rat into a corner is not yet suitable, you need to understand that all this is politics. we have trump cards up our sleeve, for sure, our "friends" also have some trump cards and most likely no one will lay them out, agree on everything
  50. +3
    30 July 2014 14: 03
    I know that it is difficult for a normal person to believe in babies, but no matter how strange, a vague feeling began to slowly reach European brains that the "separatists" are in their native land and are protecting it from the aggression of the Ukrainian army and punitive forces from the west of Ukraine.
    This fact can lead to the fact that the "aggressor" and "victim" will change their places in European brains (in American, we all know that this is practically impossible)
    For Europeans, the factor - who is in the conflict - the "victim" is much more important, and due to the fact that the European often perceives himself as a potential victim, he tends to sympathize with the "victim", more than admire the rapist.
    And ukrovlast is getting closer and closer every day to the perception as "nsilnik" for Europeans, which is very, very undesirable for ukrohunta.
    I think that the ukrohunta will not disdain to regain the role of "victim" in his own country (probably where sympathy / antipathy towards separatists = 50/50) a major terrorist act against a civilian object with a lot of victims and blame the "separatists"
    UTB ukrokhunta has a motive, opportunity and experience, and one should not forget - and the complete absence of humanity and masculine valor.
    I think that now it is necessary to "shout" loudly in the media that ukrohunta will sooner or later come to this and do it.
    Europeans have lived for a very long time in peace and tranquility and are sensitive to the topic of "terrorist attack" against civilians (except when the victims are Russians or others, which the Europeans perceive as not very human).
    We must get ahead and warn that scenario. If the Ukronazis have time to carry out a terrorist attack, they will "hang" it on the Russians. And for the enemies of Russia it is urgently necessary to place Russia as an eternal and universal source of evil.
    Sorry, I'm not very good at Russian.
    Even very "not very"
    1. +1
      30 July 2014 16: 58
      Fine. The fact is that many Russians hate their language and deliberately spell all words incorrectly. This is such an imitation of the West, so I say what independent (free) and original. They do not love their homeland, Russia.
  51. 0
    30 July 2014 14: 12
    Автор просто чудовищно некомпетентен. Про Camel реально позабавило. На пачке было написано US exempt for use outside USA. Что такое US tax exempt у нас не знали, а вторую строчку перевели дословно. На самом деле это означает освобождение от американского акциза при использовании вне США. Естественно, дальше компетентность на том же уровне.
  52. +1
    30 July 2014 14: 41
    Моё видение ситуации( без конспиралогии и фантастики):
    1.Украинские силовики сами себя довели до определённого состояния боязнью вмешательства России в конфликт.
    2.Разработали масштабную операцию против ДНР и ЛНР, а из-за боязни вмешательства России прикрыли её пзрк.
    3.При развёртывании пзрк на местности произошёл пуск.
    О возможности или невозможности несанкционированного пуска нужен ответ специалиста.
    На этом военном сайте таких специалистов похоже нет.
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 17: 01
      Даже если и есть на сайте специалисты по Буку, они никогда не напишут об этом.
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 17: 25
        Маленькая справка:принят на вооружение в 1979г( могу пошутить:древний, как г.о.в.н.о мамонта),а Вы:Даже если и есть на сайте специалисты по Буку, они никогда не напишут об этом.(2014-1979=35лет,многие даже ушли в мир иной).
        Комплексы проходили модернизацию,но,вряд-ли у Украины они глубоко модернизированы.
  53. Everest2014
    30 July 2014 15: 40
    Quote: Алексей_К
    Do not judge by yourself.

    Пожалуйста не обижайтесь, но это маразм. Это у вас возрастное? РЕН-ТВ? Для справки: на всех сигаретах пишут что они вредные. Особенно меня раздражают всякие борцы с курением, вещающие на фоне заведенной рядом автомашины. На машине же не написано какие выхлопы она изрыгает, да? Там целая таблица Менделеева вылетает и травит этих борцунов гораздо эффективнее, но на это принято закрывать глаза :)
  54. Бэм
    30 July 2014 15: 55
    Согласен статья бред. Дороги бортов №1 и Б777 разошлись над Польшей. Борт№1 через Белоруссию на Москву а борт Б777 по дороге на которой его уже ждали стая шакалов и нелюдей. То что это тщательно продуманная "существами" (людьми назвать не могу) террористическая акция в этом я думаю ни у кого сомнения нет. Просчитать чтобы в одно и то же время (час-минуту-секунды) четыре объекта Б777,СУ25,стартовавшая ракета БУК,спутник США оказались в одном месте это не каждому дано. Это дано тому, кто очень хотел сделать огромную подлость и гадость в отношении России. А кто этого хотел? Только тот, кто имеет возможность все это в комплексе использовать, разумеется с привлечением Киева. Мозгов и возможностей у Киева на это все не хватило бы. Если только на то, чтобы просто завалить борт. Одним словом Киев здесь в роли киллера. А мозги, замысел, руководство это США, опыт у них по этой части большой.
    А теперь предположения как сбили Б777.
    Я думаю ракета "БУК", это ложный путь. Замысел: зафиксировать старт и часть траектории полета со спутника с дальнейшей самоликвидацией. Так как от её применения много "следов" так говорят специ. Не исключено что у США есть снимки с привязкой к местности и характерным ориентирам от момента пуска до её ликвидации, но нам никогда не покажут их так как это приговор самим себе. Основная роль была отведена СУ25. Уничтожить"аккуратно" (как бы это кощунственно не звучало) "хирургическим" ударом с минимальными "следами" так чтобы экипаж не смог или не успел бы передать в эфир сигнал бедствия или какую либо другую информацию. Разбор и изучение того что лежит на земле, будем надеется позволит ответить на многие вопросы.
    PS:пенсионер,бывший диспетчер с 40 летним стажем и тд. и тп.
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 17: 10
      Спорить не буду с Вами. Вы специалист в своём деле, Вам виднее. В статье я написал по многим пунктам, что это моё предположение и на чём оно основывается. Но Вы не можете отрицать, что перехват переговоров военными средствами отличается от гражданских систем. Да и уничтожение Боинга 777 произошло не так уж и далеко от России. Все гражданские диспетчеры вдоль границы России разговоры Боинга слышали. Всё что касается работы диспетчеров: что они видели или слышали, не подлежит разглашению. Т.к. в "небе" часто совершаются такие преступления, о которых вообще никто не должен знать.
  55. +1
    30 July 2014 16: 02
    На мой взгляд, объяснение может быть только одно: это черная метка Путину. Собственно, это хорошо известный в криминальных кругах жест, когда конкуренту делают узнаваемый намек, например, убивают не его, а кого-то другого, но так, чтобы конкуренту было совершенно ясно, что он ведет себя вызывающе, что это совершенно недопустимо и что в следующий раз замочат уже его. Именно абсолютная непричастность пассажирского «Боинга» к событиям на Украине и показывает, что кроме как черной меткой этот акт и не мог ничем быть – нарочито все выполнено так, чтобы клиент все правильно понял и не спутал с неуклюжей ошибкой военного времени. Все было сделано абсолютно расчетливо: Обама отдал приказ Порошенко сбить («Буком» или истребителем – неважно) именно малоазийский «Боинг», все несчастье которого заключалось в том, что он пересекся с бортом №1 Путина. Расчет очевидный: расследование можно сфальсифицировать или во всяком случае завести в тупик. Да и как бы оно не закончилось, акция в любом случае достигнет своей цели. Приказ Обамы был исполнен, и тем Порошенко оказался повязан кровью даже не русских (для Запада это не люди), а чистых европейцев и тем самым навсегда стал полностью зависимой марионеткой США. Путину же было недвусмысленно сказано, что либо он полностью сворачивает противостояние на Украине, отдает Донбасс, Крым и становится сателлитом США, либо…
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 17: 12
      Нормальная версия. Я с ней согласен.
  56. 0
    30 July 2014 16: 09
    Вот была же у вас хорошая мысль вначале - ничего не писать на эту тему - вот именно так и надо было сделать. Набредили, свалили в кучу все что прочитали и услышали, смешали Божий дар с яичницей. Ваших фантазий и дурацких выводов только не хватало ....
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 17: 17
      Поправьте меня, но только Вашим фактическим материалом или размышлениями, как оно могло быть. Поосто критика и слова про Божий дар и дурацкие выводы - это Ваши точно такие же выводы. Кстати - яичница это и есть Божий дар.
  57. 0
    30 July 2014 16: 26
    Боинг-777» летел по стандартному коридору, затем отклонился от него примерно на 500 км и в определённый час был сбит.

    Боинг отклонился на 14км от воздушного коридора (откуда автор взял 500км?), а так как в этот день ПВО Украины были приведены в повышенную боевую готовность его как нарушителя сбили, думали, что это борт №1 с российским триколором летит в Сочи.
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 17: 21
      С цифрой отклонения я ошибся, каюсь, Но один из флагов Малайзии издали похож на Российский
  58. +1
    30 July 2014 16: 34
    Путин В.В. не простит,если хотели сбить его,никому...
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 17: 26
      Он пока не может отомстить Украине. Он пока хочет, чтобы международное сообщество признало руководство Украины преступным и развязало России руки. А далее он мог бы заставить правительства всех стран извиниться за ложь в отношении России, а тех кто не извинится, принудить к этому с помощью оружия.
      1. +1
        30 July 2014 23: 07
        Quote: Алексей_К
        Он пока не может отомстить Украине. Он пока хочет, чтобы международное сообщество признало руководство Украины преступным и развязало России руки. А далее он мог бы заставить правительства всех стран извиниться за ложь в отношении России, а тех кто не извинится, принудить к этому с помощью оружия.

        Ещё по моему Р. Рейган заявлял, что США никогда и ни у кого не будут просить прощения, т.к. всё, что они делают, делают в соответствии со своими нац.интересами. Так что ждать от них извинений не приходится. Выколачивать его силой оружия - соответствует нашим интересам, но не возможностям. Ставка на то, что для них Бог - доллар. Вот поэтому обрушив доллар, можно разрушить ФРС и соответственно США. Этим мы сейчас усиленно занимаемся через БРИКС. Вам не стоит обижаться на критику (по большей части - здоровую) со стороны читателей - для того Вы и выложили на обсуждение свою статью. Делать прогнозы и предположение - дело не благодарное. Сколько людей столько и мнений - а посему не стоит это делать до опубликования официальных результатов расследования. Нет сомнения, что Россия явила миру далеко не все свои козыри в данном вопросе, но намёк, кому надо было послали, после чего и началась нездоровая активность со стороны "заинтересованных", что к тому же сопровождается их заявлениями противоречащими одно-другому.Просто им дают прекрасную возможность окончательно потерять лицо. А после этого карты будут вскрыты - всему своё время.
  59. 0
    30 July 2014 17: 49
    Quote: Nord
    And you can ask the author what kind of "training on false moving targets"? I, as an air defense officer, are very curious.
    Another question: what, that the president flew to Latin America, accompanied by the A-50 and fighters? Then who and where refuel them in the air?
    And what kind of aerial combat are you talking about here? Virtual fighter escort from the Su-25, sent to intercept side number 1?
    You may be offended, but I did not even hear such nonsense from Psaki.
    You should not try to reason with a smart look about what you do not even have a square idea ...

    Да уж, анекдот, летят себе так "пилотажной" группой борт № 1, А-50 и (сколько ? ) Су-27 (30,35 ? ) или 33 ( с Кузнецова) над Окрайной (зачем ?) , тут на них нападает обезумевший грач Су-25 belay

    Где там второй сапог Псаки ! Надо вручить автору ! wink
  60. ask
    31 July 2014 09: 47
    Очередной вброс. Логика по многим пунктам отдыхает.
    Думаю большинство людей уже давно поняли кому это надо и зачем.
    Обидно, что люди останутся безнаказанными.

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