Complex active protection Trophy tested in real fighting

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On the night of July 8, the Israeli armed forces launched Operation Unbreakable Rock, which aims to destroy Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip. For the first few days, only the Israeli Air Force participated in the operation, striking the militant targets. 17 July, the Israeli military received orders to conduct ground operations. In the battle went infantry and armored vehicles.

Complex active protection Trophy tested in real fighting


The Israeli military has to work in difficult conditions in the territory occupied and equipped by the enemy. For example, Israeli Tanks regularly fired from anti-tank systems. Already on July 20, the Israeli press reported that over the past few days of the ground operation, the enemy had repeatedly made attempts to destroy the tanks of the Israeli armed forces using various anti-tank weapons, but all of them failed. Part of the main tanks involved in the operation Merkava Mk IV is equipped with a complex of active defense (KAZ) Trophy, which successfully intercepted a number of anti-tank grenades. According to reports, at least five grenades were shot down only in the first three days of the ground operation using KAZ Trophy.

A few days after the start of the ground operation, the first video appeared, which captures the work of the Trophy system. As follows from the video captions, on July X, Hamas militants attempted to attack an Israeli tank with the help of a Russian-made RPG-22 grenade launcher. The rocket grenade flew to the tank, but was destroyed by the Trophy system. The ammunition exploded at a safe distance from the combat vehicle and did not cause any damage to it. Given the characteristics of the RPG-29 grenade launcher, it is safe to say that KAZ Trophy saved the life of an Israeli tank crew.

According to open data, KAZ Trophy (alternative name ASPRO-A) works according to the same principles as other active protection complexes for armored vehicles. A set of radar monitors the surrounding space and detects enemy anti-tank ammunition flying to the armored vehicle. If a grenade or a rocket approaches a dangerous distance, a protective fragmentation ammunition is blown up, which destroys the threat at a relatively long distance. Work KAZ Trophy is carried out in fully automatic mode. The crew of the protected armored vehicle should only enable or disable the protective system.

KAZ Trophy is a joint development of the companies Rafael and IAI, created by order of the Israeli Ministry of Defense. Work on the creation of an active protection system for tanks and other armored vehicles started in the mid-nineties and lasted about ten years. The official presentation of the Trophy complex took place in the spring of 2005. By the end of the last decade, the system was tested and was recommended for use on Merkava Mk IV tanks and other armored vehicles.

The KAZ Trophy includes a radar threat detection system developed by Elta, control automation and a launch system. Several detection radar antennas provide all-round visibility and detect anti-tank weapons flying from any direction. The control system processes the received information and generates commands for the start-up module. Two launch modules are installed on the sides of the hull or turret of the base machine and, at the command of the control system, a large number of striking elements are sent to the target. The undermining of anti-tank ammunition occurs at a distance of about 10-30 meters.

To date, announced the existence of several modifications KAZ Trophy. The basic version is designed for use on the main tanks of the later models of the Merkava family. In 2007, the Trophy Light complex was proposed, proposed for installation on armored vehicles with a combat mass of no more than 30 tons (armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, etc.). In June of this year, the company Rafael published the first information about the system Trophy-LV, which, allegedly, will be able to protect light equipment like armored cars.

Since the end of the last decade, the serial KAZ Trophy has been installed on various Israeli armored vehicles, primarily on Merkava Mk IV tanks. The first instances of using this system in a real-world battle occurred in March 2011. In both cases, Israeli tanks equipped with active defense complexes patrolled the borders of the Gaza Strip and were attacked by Hamas militants. Both attacks were unsuccessful: the Trophy complexes worked and destroyed the flying anti-tank grenades.

In the future, the KAZ Trophy repeatedly defended Israeli tanks from enemy grenades, but until recently all such incidents were episodic. With the beginning of the ground phase of the “Unbreakable rock” operation, the number of cases of the Trophy’s response has increased significantly. The tanks of the Israeli armed forces are actively involved in hostilities and therefore are constantly under fire using anti-tank grenade launchers and other similar weapons. As far as we know, to date, Palestinian grenade launchers have never succeeded in hitting an Israeli tank protected by the Trophy complex. Nevertheless, tank crews still suffer losses. According to reports, a few days ago one of the Israeli tank crew was seriously wounded by striking elements thrown out to destroy a flying grenade.

Now the latest Israeli active defense complex effectively defends tanks against various anti-tank weapons. The ground operation in the Gaza Strip continues, and tanks are actively involved in it. Given the military-political situation in the region and a number of features of the current conflict, it can be assumed that Israeli tank crews will have to rely on existing defense systems for the next few days or even weeks. Among other things, this will allow collecting statistics showing how to determine the real effectiveness of the KAZ Trophy. The developers of this system still have every reason to be proud: to date, not a single tank protected by the KAZ Trophy has received serious damage and has not been destroyed.

On the materials of the sites:
http://army-guide.com/
http://liveleak.com/
http://militaryparitet.com/
http://defense-update.com/
http://newsru.co.il/
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  1. +24
    30 July 2014 09: 27
    Video Intercepts:


    Yesterday I intercepted another.
    PS
    Tank with KAZ


    blue means training
    1. +2
      30 July 2014 10: 27
      Quote: professor
      Video Intercepts:

      Oleg, welcome! I believe that such systems have one drawback. After a second shot at the same part of the machine, its defeat is possible, since the striking element of the defense complex has already worked earlier ... How does Raphael solve this problem ???
      1. +9
        30 July 2014 10: 34
        Quote: AlNikolaich
        After a second shot at the same part of the machine, its defeat is possible, since the striking element of the defense complex has already worked earlier ...

        Here it is necessary to try.
        1. 0
          31 July 2014 00: 20
          Here it is necessary to try

          I should send it to Raphael. And then the guys there probably do not know.
        2. +1
          31 July 2014 14: 50
          RPG with "bi" shot = tandem head, designed to consistently overcome KAI, then KDZ, then the actual tank hull.
          KAZ does not have time to recharge after the defeat of the first PSU.
          1. 0
            8 March 2021 06: 13
            Quote: mirag2
            RPG with "bi" shot = tandem head, designed to consistently overcome KAI, then KDZ, then the actual tank hull.
            KAZ does not have time to recharge after the defeat of the first PSU.

            Well, I think that such issues are also solved purely technically. If the "bi-rocket" follows the first one too close, then it will be hit by the KAZ, but if it is too far away, the KAZ will have time to recharge. The technical execution is important here. For KAZ, you can make a quick reload, or you can put two shots next to each other, going sequentially.
        3. +2
          31 July 2014 19: 40
          RPG-27 / -30. With their initial flight speed of a cumulative grenade (130m / s) and effective range (with a tandem warhead up to 200m). No wonder the best weapon against the tank is the tank itself. An armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber projectile (BOPS) is ten times as MINIMUM would be preferable.
          1. +1
            31 July 2014 22: 50
            It is worth at least once to try to compare the same range and speed indicators for disposable RPGs with the AT-4 (M136) and the RPG-7 with the rifled M3 "Carl Gustav", for the last two veterans it is for shots with a tandem warhead. The 120-mm AT-12T disposable RPG with a tandem grenade was heavy and did not fit as a light anti-tank weapon (LAW) and export prospects in the West, with a saturation of the ATGM, did not and did not go into the series. "All of our coolest"does not work, and taking into account the fact that we have no light manual ATGMs at all.
      2. +2
        30 July 2014 10: 35
        Quote: AlNikolaich
        How does Raphael solve this problem ???

        Recharge (see 1:33)
      3. +2
        30 July 2014 10: 53
        Trophy does not protect individual sections of the tank, like DZ. Trophy is
        approximately a rocket (shell?) hitting an enemy rocket
        at a distance of several meters from the tank body.
        The entire hemisphere around the tank is protected, including air attacks.
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        2. +2
          30 July 2014 18: 45
          Question to the pros - why did the USSR abandon the KAZ thrush after Afghanistan - despite the fact that the system in the front hemisphere intercepted missiles quite effectively? I honestly xs ...
      4. 0
        31 July 2014 14: 51
        You can solve it by speeding up the recharge process, which has its own limit. Next, a dead end.
    2. +5
      30 July 2014 11: 03
      I’m interested in urban battles when the infantry works with equipment together at close range (cleaning residential areas) how does the system work? does it undermine the shell at a distance from the tank / armored vehicles? accordingly, the explosion could work in the immediate vicinity and hurt the allied compounds ... moreover, it was robust considering the fragments and depending on what they made fun of the technique.
      1. slava11
        +1
        30 July 2014 11: 06
        You asked the right question. But any medal has two sides. As for our tactics - you can pay attention that the problem is solved.
        1. +4
          30 July 2014 14: 22
          not true, the problem is not resolved. there is already a victim when using Trophy
          1. -2
            30 July 2014 16: 15
            Quote: Ivan_s
            not true, the problem is not resolved. there is already a victim when using Trophy

            and does this victim have a name?
            1. +5
              30 July 2014 16: 20
              his name is not indicated, but it is reliably confirmed that he is a soldier of the Israeli army.

              On Saturday, July 19, a soldier of the IDF tank unit was seriously injured as a result of the activation of the Meil ​​Ruach (Windbreaker, export name - Trophy) active protection system, media reported.

              According to published information, during the operational activities carried out by the IDF in the Gaza Strip, the terrorists fired an anti-tank missile, which brought into action the defense system, which the soldier suffered from.
              1. -3
                30 July 2014 16: 26
                Quote: Ivan_s
                his name is not indicated, but it is reliably confirmed that he is a soldier of the Israeli army.

                There will be details then we'll talk, but for now: The systems' average collateral damage is estimated at a <1% chance of a dismounted soldier being injured by Trophy or an incoming threat.
                1. +2
                  30 July 2014 16: 45
                  Yes, actually there’s nothing to talk about. while the AZ systems are used in the form that exist at the moment, the victims were, are, and will be - the use of explosives (of any type - be it a rocket or a PZ block), some technical breakthrough is needed in this area, maybe it will be something like plasma, or maybe some electro-magnetic fields ... all this will show the future.
                  as for statistics (The systems' average ...), the paper will endure everything, but the companies involved in the development of such systems are unlikely to like the big sacrifices ... therefore I doubt their honesty.
                  1. 0
                    30 July 2014 17: 28
                    Quote: Ivan_s
                    as for statistics (The systems' average ...), the paper will endure everything, but the companies involved in the development of such systems are unlikely to like the big sacrifices ... therefore I doubt their honesty.

                    There is such a thing reputation. Soak it once and it will be almost impossible to restore it. This is especially true for Asian customers. Rafael lives on export and values ​​his reputation.
                    1. +3
                      30 July 2014 22: 06
                      I will not argue, everyone will remain in their own opinion (regarding the numbers), but when using the Trophy system in combat conflicts with active electronic warfare, big failures are possible. I suppose this, since we won’t be able to find out with you, it’s better of course to prevent this from happening ...
                2. +1
                  1 August 2014 12: 04
                  Another depicted that he answered. With a smart look.
                  Jewish answer.
              2. 0
                8 March 2021 06: 24
                Quote: Ivan_s
                On Saturday, July 19, a soldier of the IDF tank unit was seriously injured as a result of the activation of the Meil ​​Ruach (Windbreaker, export name - Trophy) active protection system, media reported.

                Well, "one soldier" is not an indicator yet. Rare cases of damage can occur in any, even the best systems. Nowhere is there 100% protection systems from everything ...
            2. -1
              30 July 2014 18: 09
              Quote: professor
              and does this victim have a name?

              Infa flashed on Israeli resources. The tanker was seriously wounded. In any case, the fact that injuries were possible was not denied - their probability was declared in the region of one percent
              1. -1
                30 July 2014 18: 19
                Quote: Pimply
                Infa flashed on Israeli resources. The tanker was seriously wounded. In any case, the fact that injuries were possible was not denied - their probability was declared in the region of one percent

                I already wrote about this percentage. There are different cases, but to say that within a radius of 20 meters all living things also cannot be killed.
                1. Majordok
                  +2
                  30 July 2014 21: 33
                  Still sell everything at a distance of 20 meters!
              2. +2
                30 July 2014 18: 20
                Quote: Pimply
                Infa flashed on Israeli resources. The tanker was seriously wounded. In any case, the fact that injuries were possible was not denied - their probability was declared in the region of one percent

                I will not argue, because I’m not 100% sure, but from those who at that moment I didn’t hear far that there was an undermining of the Trophy warhead directly on the tank, and the soldier was injured because he was on the armor, and not during the activation against the ATGM . But even if this is not so, it is logical to assume that if there is a person at the point where the bird is undermined, then it may well suffer, and the claimed 2% is on the armor or near the tank.
                But it’s better not to stand next to the tank during Arena activation ...
                1. 0
                  8 March 2021 06: 28
                  Quote: Rumata
                  Infa flashed on Israeli resources. The tanker was seriously wounded. In any case, the fact that injuries were possible was not denied - their probability was declared in the region of one percent

                  I will not argue, because I’m not 100% sure, but from those who at that moment I didn’t hear far that there was an undermining of the Trophy warhead directly on the tank, and the soldier was injured because he was on the armor, and not during the activation against the ATGM . But even if this is not so, it is logical to assume that if there is a person at the point where the bird is undermined, then it may well suffer, and the claimed 2% is on the armor or near the tank.
                  But it’s better not to stand next to the tank during Arena activation ...

                  But what if the missile hit the tank, this "soldier on armor" would not be hurt? Or if a soldier is standing next to a tank, then a missile hit from an RPG will not harm him? So what will be better (or worse) for a soldier? KAZ explosion or rocket explosion?
              3. +1
                30 July 2014 19: 03
                Quote: Pimply
                Quote: professor
                and does this victim have a name?

                Infa flashed on Israeli resources. The tanker was seriously wounded. In any case, the fact that injuries were possible was not denied - their probability was declared in the region of one percent

                my grandfather in V.O.V was wounded twice, and both times, outside the tank ...
          2. 0
            30 July 2014 20: 41
            Quote: Ivan_s
            not true, the problem is not resolved. there is already a victim when using Trophy

            Everything can be, but everything is known in comparison. Here's what he dragged from the forum.

            אתמול (שלישי) בשעות הבוקר התבצע היירוט ה -15 במספר של מערכת "מעיל רוח" בחטיבת ה] שריון 401 מאז החל מבצע "צוק איתצתה המערכת, שמטרתה לספק הגנה לטנק מרכבה סימן 4 מפני טילים נגד טנקים, נכנסה לשירות מבצעי בחטיבה שבפיקוד אלוף-משנה סער צור רק לאחהיה ר צור רק לאחהיה היא הצילה עד כה את חייהם של שני מפקדי גדודים בחטיבה, ששהו בטנק שלעברו שוגר טיל, וכן את חייהם של עשרות חיילים וקציניספ.

            Yesterday, Trophy conducted 15 interceptions since the start of the operation in Gaza. To date, she has prevented the death of dozens of tankers, including two battalion commanders 401 t / b.
        2. +1
          1 August 2014 12: 03
          Jewish answer. Allegedly answered. But he didn’t say anything, having left the answer.
      2. +3
        30 July 2014 18: 01
        This has already happened, unfortunately. Gaza soldier dies
        from the fragment of Trophy.
        The presence of a Trophy requires changing infantry tactics -
        Do not approach tanks. And the tank commander - do not hang around in the hatch of the tower.
      3. -2
        30 July 2014 18: 08
        Quote: Xroft
        I’m interested in urban battles when the infantry works with equipment together at close range (cleaning residential areas) how does the system work? does it undermine the shell at a distance from the tank / armored vehicles? accordingly, the explosion could work in the immediate vicinity and hurt the allied compounds ... moreover, it was robust considering the fragments and depending on what they made fun of the technique.

        It is stated that the probability of defeating a fighter in the vicinity is less than one percent. However, this system is not a magic dome that will do everything perfectly. The other day there was information about a tanker who was seriously injured. The system shot down the ATGM, and it was hit by shrapnel (it was outside the tank)
      4. +2
        30 July 2014 20: 12
        Interestingly react to a projectile from a missile weapon:
        slingshot, bow, crossbow? If you add a reflector.
        1. 0
          30 July 2014 21: 18
          Quote: Denimax
          Interestingly react to a projectile from a missile weapon:
          slingshot, bow, crossbow? If you add a reflector.

          No, the speed of the projectile is simply not enough to make it fall into the category of targets.
      5. 0
        8 March 2021 06: 18
        Quote: Xroft
        I’m interested in urban battles when the infantry works with equipment together at close range (cleaning residential areas) how does the system work? does it undermine the shell at a distance from the tank / armored vehicles? accordingly, the explosion could work in the immediate vicinity and hurt the allied compounds ... moreover, it was robust considering the fragments and depending on what they made fun of the technique.

        Well, this is already a justified risk. The tank escapes, someone of their infantrymen nearby may be wounded, or even die ... The tank is more important. If the tank is smashed, then all the infantrymen will be easily finished off. Not to mention the fact that several people can be killed inside the tank. What to do, this is a war ... You can't "guarantee" everyone there ...
    3. MAG
      +1
      30 July 2014 13: 06
      Question to a professor at Hamas tunnels. Why do not they put underground sound and vibration sensors? So at least you will know where they dig and in which direction and you can pre-undermine IMHO.
      1. +11
        30 July 2014 13: 42
        Can I answer?
        There are too many seismic background noises in the local geological structure (this is not a secret); too many false positives are obtained.
        1. slava11
          +6
          30 July 2014 14: 01
          I confirm. I work as specialists in foundations and foundations.
        2. MAG
          +1
          30 July 2014 14: 46
          There is also a lot of noise in the ocean, but after all, submarines are direction finding and even by the noise of the propellers determine which boat. Isn’t it just possible to filter out excess noise and pinpoint where underground manual work is being done?
      2. -1
        30 July 2014 15: 58
        Quote: MAG
        Question to a professor at Hamas tunnels. Why do not they put underground sound and vibration sensors? So at least you will know where they dig and in which direction and you can pre-undermine IMHO.

        As far as I know, such sensors are capable of detecting digging tunnels in sandy soil.
        1. +1
          30 July 2014 16: 21
          The fact of the matter is that not sand, but loess. See that when breaking one of the tunnels, the geyser goes. there is sulfur in the soil and close geothermy.
      3. 0
        30 July 2014 18: 05
        In my opinion - it was just self-confidence and sloppiness. Problem can
        solve technically using noise / vibration sensors. Plus write software that can distinguish between noise. Did not do this seriously. Now, after the blood, heap.
        1. -2
          30 July 2014 18: 11
          Quote: voyaka uh
          solve technically using noise / vibration sensors. Plus write software that can distinguish between noise. Did not do this seriously. Now, after the blood, heap.

          Not everything is as simple as it seems to couch analysts .. Even when we controlled Philadelphi, the sensors did not help for a number of reasons. Now there is a promising army development, they have been working on it for more than one year, but I doubt that we will see it soon. There are many technical problems.
          1. -2
            30 July 2014 19: 35
            It is hard to imagine how to track how they dig a tunnel underground
            at a speed of 10-20 m per day is more difficult than tracking a Grad rocket in flight.
            The question is how many man-hours of research and development to invest and how much money
            from the budget to allocate.
            And so, I’m not very surprised if the Hezbollah battalion crawled out of the tunnel
            in the north in the middle of Metulla. belay
    4. +2
      30 July 2014 13: 07
      Honestly, I’m not very versed in the second video, I can’t see anything at all, but on the first question, why is it removed only before the explosion and after it is not shown? I'm not sure there was an interception
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 18: 40
        Because the video was shot by Hamas, they cannot admit that it is justified ... not in their style.
    5. 0
      30 July 2014 15: 02
      And if something starts up near the tank, all the protection will work and the tank is naked, right?
  2. +2
    30 July 2014 09: 39
    The developers of this system still have every reason for pride: to date, not a single tank protected by KAZ Trophy has received serious damage and has not been destroyed.
    - this is certainly good, well done developers! But only this KAZ of theirs will be enough only for the "war" in Palestine, where the number of tanks used can be counted on one hand ... hi
    1. slava11
      +13
      30 July 2014 10: 41
      My God, don’t you feel sorry for your soldiers at all? Yes, only in these clashes were the lives of dozens of soldiers saved. Our soldiers are worth any effort to protect them. Or yours are not worth the effort?
      1. +13
        30 July 2014 11: 15
        Quote: slava11
        My God, don’t you feel sorry for your soldiers at all?

        We all feel sorry for everyone, only nobody feels sorry for us. Israel, unfortunately, is our enemy, since it is an ally (one of the beloved wives) of the States outside the NATO bloc. So the question of the impact of the RPG-30 on the defense of the "Chariot" is by no means idle. And there is no need for people to sculpt a minus just for questions on the merits. I don't care, but for the previous speaker (AlNikolaich) I am offended.
        And in general, any action gives rise to opposition. If there is a shield, then there must be a spear against it, is not it?
        1. -4
          30 July 2014 19: 10
          Quote: inkass_98
          . Israel, regrettably, our adversary,

          And ours is not. Maybe your region has some kind of grater with Israel, but the Rostov region doesn't.
          1. slava11
            0
            30 July 2014 19: 29
            Reason wins wink
          2. -1
            31 July 2014 08: 15
            Quote: Bayonet
            Maybe your region has some kind of grater with Israel, but the Rostov region doesn't.

            Who doesn’t like that Rostov and Israel are not at enmity? Show yourself beautiful.
      2. 0
        30 July 2014 11: 26
        Yes, you are not saving the lives of soldiers, but increasing the effectiveness of your troops. And this problem is solved, I think, quite simply, by saturating the orders of the defenders with a large number of simple PTSs. I think that this defense will not take three or four flies from one direction. And in Grozny, it seems, there were more massive shelling.
        1. slava11
          +1
          30 July 2014 11: 57
          You should write fiction.
          We have been trying for a long time not to substitute so stupidly. Infantry in front, infantry on the side, UAVs in the air, dogs, balloons with cameras .... A lot of things, they won’t tell us everything.
          The advantage of our system is that it not only destroys the shot but also indicates the direction of the shot, which allows the crew to destroy the calculation.
          1. +3
            30 July 2014 12: 12
            And then everything is decided even simpler - by a massive strike with the use of tanks, artillery and MLRS. Well, the Palestinians have no such thing, and the Arabs are still those warriors. And you did not have to deal with normal fighters in commodity quantities. Here you go. There are photos and videos on the Web about what the MLRS does with tanks, I would see how your vaunted gizmos will destroy MLRS rockets.
            1. slava11
              +6
              30 July 2014 12: 42
              Well, what are you reassuring yourself? Like a child in a kindergarten - my brother will beat yours.
              The forces of the parties
              Israel 375 soldiers (at the beginning of the war) and 000 by the end.
              1.700 tanks, 3000 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, 945 guns and 450 aircraft
              Arabs General forces: 993 soldiers, 000 tanks, 3.630 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, 4000 guns, 1720 aircraft and 480 helicopters.
              The Arabs attacked first. By all accounts, they should have won. However, they lost. Do you think they didn’t have enough RZSO?
              And the Palestinians have the RZSO - whole systems are buried in the ground. But we can handle it. And probably it’s not those RZSO or eggs that interfere with the dancers?
              1. 0
                30 July 2014 15: 00
                Well, what are you reassuring yourself? Like a child in a kindergarten - my brother will beat yours.


                So I say that, apart from the Arabs, they didn’t clash with anyone, And the Arabs are famous warriors. At the expense of the MLRS and tanks, they must be correctly applied. Here the Arabs have the main weakness.
              2. +3
                30 July 2014 18: 51
                It is foolish to deny the experience and training of the Israeli army - they are really at a worthy height. And the Palestinians' MLRS, in the overwhelming majority, are homemade homemade products. They do not use "Hurricanes" or "Tornadoes" with cumulative cluster submunitions.
                1. -2
                  30 July 2014 19: 31
                  Quote: Mairos
                  And the Palestinian MLRS, in the vast majority, are artisanal home-made products.

                  This was true in the 2006-2009 years. Now - quite serial heavy missiles made in China, Iran
                2. slava11
                  0
                  30 July 2014 19: 34
                  Your truth. Now we read - Israel because it is very worried about the peaceful Palestinians and does not use the RZSO with cluster warheads, napalm and other things of mass destruction. And even artillery basically fires on empty places.
                3. +1
                  31 July 2014 16: 46
                  It is foolish to deny the experience and training of the Israeli army - they are really at a decent height.


                  Understand what the problem is.
                  The combat readiness of the army is determined mainly by four components. Technical equipment, training of personnel and the coordination of the work of combat units and experience.
                  And all this requires serious investment. Now we look at the Arab-Israeli confrontation. By and large, the Arabs participated in WWII quite a bit. While the Jews were in all the fighting armies, including the Wehrmacht. Naturally, the front-line soldiers became the backbone of the IDF. Those. the Jewish army had combat experience. The considerable funds invested by Europe made it possible to arm the army of Israel well. However, the Arabs received help in turn. But experience played a role, as in its time the experience of the German Wehrmacht in the campaigns in France and the campaign of the 41st year in the USSR.
                  In the future, the situation for the Arabs only worsened due to the fact that the Arab states were poor. And they could not afford to carry out systematic training of the armed forces. While the Jews, being allies of the states, received enough green paper to train their army in the first category. Thus, the Jews gained another advantage. As a result, fully realizing these advantages.
              3. +1
                1 August 2014 12: 12
                And I naively believed that the Jews of the land from the Arabs squeezed in ... 1947?
                And it turns out the Arabs attacked! laughing
        2. 0
          8 March 2021 06: 45
          Quote: alicante11
          Yes, you are not saving the lives of soldiers, but increasing the effectiveness of your troops. And this problem is solved, I think, quite simply, by saturating the orders of the defenders with a large number of simple PTSs. I think that this defense will not take three or four flies from one direction. And in Grozny, it seems, there were more massive shelling.

          Dear, there are absolutely no "everything protecting" systems. KAZ also does not provide a 100% guarantee. It simply reduces the chance of defeat. And about "saturating the orders of the defenders with a large number of simple PTSs" and about Grozny, I can say that there is also "the other side of the coin". I lived then in Grozny. When too large numbers of "orders of the defenders with simple PTSs" began to press on moving armored vehicles from all sides, tanks and artillery in the direction of movement simply indiscriminately began to hit all the windows and houses on the sides of the city streets, from where they could only fire from the PTS. As a result, everything collapsed "to zero" along with the houses, "defending the PTS" and civilians ... As a result, the whole city was destroyed along with the inhabitants, but the tanks were saved. Everything has its own countermeasures. Do you want that?
      3. 0
        30 July 2014 13: 22
        Quote: slava11
        My God, don’t you feel sorry for your soldiers at all? Yes, only in these clashes were the lives of dozens of soldiers saved. Our soldiers are worth any effort to protect them. Or yours are not worth the effort?

        Quote: slava11
        - this is certainly good, well done developers! But only this KAZ is enough only for the "war" in Palestine, where the number of tanks used can be counted on the fingers
        - did I accidentally encrypt something in my comment? I don't see a hint of a "non-soldier" at close range ... hi
    2. +3
      30 July 2014 10: 57
      Israel massively uses the Merkava-4 tank in cities. And not the first
      time. For this, they made a circular protection of the "shell
      turtles. "The armor of the roof, upper hatches, stern, sides - the same.
    3. 0
      30 July 2014 19: 07
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      - this is certainly good, well done developers! But only this KAZ is enough only for the "war" in Palestine

      And where is our "Arena" at the exhibition? And how many tanks are equipped with it?
  3. +16
    30 July 2014 09: 48
    We have a similar system called "Arena", which is not, because Her Presence on Our Tanks, and the Israelis are good fellows save both equipment and people regardless of the cost of this complex.
    1. +3
      30 July 2014 17: 49
      And where do you think the legs of the trophy system grow? Correctly from the stolen developments of the Soviet military-industrial complex, pay attention to the appearance of the Israeli 2005 complex. There was just enough time to master and creatively process using a modern technological base. and pay attention to when Israel made a huge leap in military-industrial complex technologies, again the 2000 border, everyone came up with ideas, blueprints, technologies, and using their main resource MONEY successfully mastered the received information .. So do not be surprised at the success of the Israeli military-industrial complex because it is a great legacy MIC of the USSR.
      1. +1
        30 July 2014 17: 56
        Quote: max702
        And where do you think the legs of the trophy system grow? Correctly from the stolen developments of the Soviet military-industrial complex, pay attention to the time of the appearance of the Israeli complex in 2005 ..

        Here is the Israeli KAZ 1970.



        But the American KAZ of the early 1970s



        Quote: max702
        still pay attention when Israel made a huge leap in the technologies of the military-industrial complex, again the turn of the 2000s, everyone converged on ideas, blueprints, technologies, and using their main resource MONEY successfully mastered the received information .. So do not be surprised at the successes of the Israeli military-industrial complex because it is a great heritage of the military-industrial complex THE USSR.

        Let's give examples to the studio of this breakthrough. wink
      2. -3
        30 July 2014 18: 11
        Quote: max702
        And where do you think the legs of the trophy system grow? Correctly from the stolen developments of the Soviet military-industrial complex, pay attention to the appearance of the Israeli 2005 complex. There was just enough time to master and creatively process using a modern technological base. and pay attention to when Israel made a huge leap in military-industrial complex technologies, again the 2000 border, everyone came up with ideas, blueprints, technologies, and using their main resource MONEY successfully mastered the received information .. So do not be surprised at the success of the Israeli military-industrial complex because it is a great legacy MIC of the USSR.

        And nothing that work on KAZ was carried out in different countries back in 60-x-70-x, and did the amers have a working model in those days?
      3. +6
        30 July 2014 19: 16
        Quote: max702
        Right from the stolen developments of the Soviet military-industrial complex,

        We also invented a wheel, and they stole it and make cars better than ours! Is it a shame?
      4. +1
        1 August 2014 12: 16
        These Renegades are still sitting on the forum. Their abominable darlings warm shekels and dollars on the accounts received for the work of those on whose necks they sat for decades dreaming of selling their homeland.
  4. +9
    30 July 2014 10: 02
    I wonder if you pre-shell the tank from the AGS-30? Will the ammunition of the system be consumed, then to launch an anti-tank grenade through the tank?
    Another question arises. Will this technology be transferred to the USA? If the United States, using the Israeli base and developments, develops its own, then I am afraid that Israel will close the path to the world market. And so, I think, the same Poles and Koreans could buy for their BTT.
    In general, Israeli technologies have great commercial potential, which the "elder brother" does not allow to use.
    1. -3
      30 July 2014 18: 12
      Quote: qwert
      I wonder if you pre-shell the tank from the AGS-30?

      AGS is not ATGM. There are certain characteristics.
  5. +3
    30 July 2014 10: 20
    This is the third practically repost of the same article, in less than a month, there is nothing more to write about? Or are you trying to jinx it? lol
    1. slava11
      +4
      30 July 2014 10: 46
      And how many reposts are there about Russian equipment that the Americans are afraid of. True, the average American does not know this simply because he does not read newspapers and therefore does not know how he is afraid of this Russian technology.
      1. +18
        30 July 2014 14: 49
        Right. And why is this discussion anyway. The article deserves one phrase - "Well done, they take care of technology and, most importantly, people!" And then he will take the RPG "No. super-duper", will he not? I understand that Israel is not our strategic adversary. The truth, too, does not really dare to call the other language, but still. Neither we nor they want to fight with us. Why then on the network pussies are measured. This is a military review. Let's discuss in essence what is good and what is bad. Only reasonably.
    2. +4
      30 July 2014 16: 20
      Quote: And Us Rat
      This is the third practically repost of the same article.
      Greetings! hi Most likely, the admins are trying to dilute srach in Ukraine with srach of anti-Semites with Jews! laughing
  6. +4
    30 July 2014 10: 42
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Or are you trying to jinx it?
    Ha-ha))) Like the Arabs are trying to neutralize the system by means of the "evil eye" ... Although ... They say, after all, that in the United States they are researching magic rituals for political and military purposes ...
    1. +1
      30 July 2014 11: 04
      Quote: qwert
      Ha-ha))) Like the Arabs are trying to neutralize the system by means of the "evil eye" ... Although ... They say, after all, that in the United States they are researching magic rituals for political and military purposes ...

      Alas, the "professional", as always, tries to fool the audience with the invincible technique of the "promised land". Only if you carefully watch the videos, everything comes out. KAZs do not detonate attacking ammunition, but destroy them. Both commercials show a clear detonation of the ammunition. So the Trophy was clearly at fault and the nameless shooters still got to the Merkav armor.
      1. +9
        30 July 2014 11: 10
        Quote: Timeout
        Only if you carefully watch the videos, everything comes out. KAZs do not detonate attacking ammunition, but destroy them. Both commercials show a clear detonation of the ammunition. So the Trophy was clearly at fault and the nameless shooters still got to the Merkav armor.

        Well yes. Neither the Cornet nor the RPG-29 mean nothing did the armor of the tank? Good armor is obtained. good

        And now attention, we look at how interception looks in slow motion and we learn materiel.
        1. +2
          30 July 2014 11: 24
          Quote: professor
          And now attention, we look at how interception looks in slow motion and we learn materiel.

          Prof, you even go for guano but it's fake! For your information, I have seen the work of "Drozd" more than once. The card part of the system shot does not cause detonation. And on your video, even during testing, you can see the operation of the cumulative part. It is especially cool to look at the RPG-7 grenade, which flies exactly along the axis of the mortar and the head part flies forward of the grenade. Anyone with a bit of a subversive understanding will say that the explosion was inside a shell. Prof, spreading fakes again.
          1. +6
            30 July 2014 11: 46
            Prof, you at least get away on guano but it's fake!

            Show the video is not fake in slow motion.

            For your information I have seen the work of "Drozd" more than once.

            Are you aware of the differences in the principles of action of the Thrush and Trophy?

            The card part of the shot of the system does not cause detonation.

            Is there a buckshot in Trophy? What a news. laughing

            And on your video, even during testing, the operation of the cumulative part is visible. It’s especially cool to look at the RPG-7 grenade, which flies exactly along the axis of the mortar and the head part flies forward grenades. Anyone who thinks a little in a subversive case will say that the explosion was inside the shell. Prof, again distributing fakes.

            I'll tell you a little secret. Only between us. Merkava as a tank does not exist at all - it's all computer graphics. Well, which of those present touched her hands? wink
    2. 0
      30 July 2014 13: 16
      In fact, if you read the performance characteristics of modern ATGMs for helicopters, they work on supersonic sound, then read the performance characteristics of the trophy, work on, develop, a very interesting topic !!!
    3. 0
      30 July 2014 13: 16
      In fact, if you read the performance characteristics of modern ATGMs for helicopters, they work on supersonic sound, then read the performance characteristics of the trophy, work on, develop, a very interesting topic !!!
      1. +8
        30 July 2014 14: 28
        Quote: Hammer 75
        read further TTX trophy

        You probably have access to the full TTX Trophy, since it is not in open sources, do not share it?
  7. 0
    30 July 2014 11: 00
    Better about the combat results of the iron dome, write, and then praised it, but what really is?
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 11: 07
      Quote: KrSk
      Better about the combat results of the iron dome, write, and then praised it, but what really is?

      And you look at the photo in articles about the dome, where the self-liquidator detonation pictures show for interception, especially when even the inversion traces of the missiles do not intersect ...
      1. +7
        30 July 2014 11: 16
        Quote: Timeout
        And you look at the photo in articles about the dome, where the self-liquidator detonation pictures show for interception, especially when even the inversion traces of the missiles do not intersect ...

        And you look at the list of victims from rocket attacks. 1 (one) Bedouin whom the Muslim brothers rocket got in his tent in the desert. And this is considering that the Arabs fired thousands of rockets across Israel. fellow
        1. +5
          30 July 2014 19: 01
          The dome is very effective. He has only one drawback - the cost of an interceptor missile is many times higher than the cost of handicrafts of the Arabs. But in a conflict like "sectorgaz", I repeat, it is very useful and effective, because the Arabs do not fire batteries and battalions of real MLRS for a short period of time.
          1. 0
            30 July 2014 19: 33
            Quote: Mairos
            The dome is very effective. He has the only minus - the cost of an interceptor missile is many times higher than the cost of artisan crafts of the Arabs.

            Not for a long time. The cost of the missile defense is now in the region of several thousand dollars (it’s indicated below 5), and the rockets of the guys from Hamas are about the same (since they went quite far from home-made products)
      2. slava11
        +3
        30 July 2014 11: 24
        Self-explosion exists, for example, if a missile does not hit the target or the target is already shot down (sometimes two missiles go to the same target).
    2. +5
      30 July 2014 11: 15
      Quote: KrSk
      Better about the combat results of the iron dome, write, and then praised it, but what really is?


      As for the dome: it was finalized and its working distance increased to 250 km. In addition, according to various estimates, the effectiveness is from 85 to 90%.
      By the way, there was infa that in one of the systems there is a radar for testing with the "David's sling"
  8. +11
    30 July 2014 11: 05
    About the windbreaker and the arena has been spoken and understood "by bolts" many times. I believe, in this case, that the most important thing is that the system is brought to the "mind", works and protects the crew and equipment. And many mothers must now thank this system that they do not mourn their sons now.
  9. -2
    30 July 2014 11: 19
    Palestinian children will be killed again, now with impunity.
    1. +6
      30 July 2014 11: 37
      Quote: Forest
      Palestinian children will be killed again, now with impunity.


      And then drink their blood.
      Please understand first what is happening, because these screams without understanding the situation no longer attract. Dig deeper.
      1. -6
        30 July 2014 13: 17
        You know better what you drink there, that's for sure I will not refute.
    2. slava11
      +9
      30 July 2014 12: 08
      There is a discussion of the system. Political aspects on another branch.
  10. +4
    30 July 2014 11: 44
    Professor, do not tell me, is there a limit on the speed of the intercepted missile? And how effective is the system against aviation weapons (naturally, according to developers)?
    1. +1
      30 July 2014 11: 50
      Quote: uhu189
      Professor, do not tell me, is there a limit on the speed of the intercepted missile? And how effective is the system against aviation weapons (naturally, according to developers)?

      The developer does not report anything about the speed of intercepted targets. It claims that the system is capable of intercepting aviation weapons.
      TROPHY
      Trophy family
    2. slava11
      0
      30 July 2014 12: 09
      Well, what will he tell us?
  11. 0
    30 July 2014 11: 50
    Interesting. If to start, before throwing an RPG, to throw a couple of bricks into a tank. Will the system work on a brick?
    Well, and as a continuation of the topic, first firing at it from a heavy machine gun?
    1. +6
      30 July 2014 11: 51
      Quote: jekasimf
      Interesting. If to start, before throwing an RPG, to throw a couple of bricks into a tank. Will the system work on a brick?
      Well, and as a continuation of the topic, first firing at it from a heavy machine gun?

      if you throw them at a speed of 200 meters per second ...
      1. slava11
        +4
        30 July 2014 13: 52
        Well, you set off so him? There is a photo on the net where Merkava is all in bricks and there is nothing false positives.
    2. +4
      30 July 2014 19: 04
      lol yeah and throw them at a distance of 100 meters that way
  12. +7
    30 July 2014 11: 53
    Well done, that brought to mind, it's hard for me to judge whether it is fake or not, but only one question, why did they decide that this is "Vampire", and not a seven.
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 11: 57
      Quote: kapitan281271
      why did they decide that it was "Vampire" and not a seven.

      At least that's what Hamas says.
  13. +24
    30 July 2014 12: 00
    And enough of trolling, otherwise one gets the impression that we grit our teeth from our own inferiority complex, we need to learn from Israel for more than half a century, they live surrounded by "friends", and they only break their teeth about them, a prosperous state was built from scratch and no one else can use force or not do not ask, but at our side they kill our children and we crumple the eggs and look around, and what will a geyropa say with mattress mats.
    1. +15
      30 July 2014 12: 14
      I agree completely. And if we learn to count our citizens as Israel, individually and take care of each "thing" as about ourselves, our beloved, then everything will not be worse than Israel's, and given the existing potential, it may be better.
      Yes, and with mattresses, perhaps friendships will be struck. In principle, they are not bad guys, but, like everyone else, they respect power.
      And friendship, albeit bad, is still better than good enmity. After all, if enmity goes into war, which is more and more likely every day, then there will simply be no one to be friends or quarrel.
    2. +1
      30 July 2014 12: 17
      Well, we will study. Just show off a little ponte. Because chasing Arabs, and especially Palestinians, is a slightly different radish than fighting a normal army normally.
      1. +7
        30 July 2014 12: 47
        Well I do not know. In normal armies, soldiers are still afraid of death, i.e. try to survive, not die. This is the basis of armed struggle in the civilized world. And then the army of zombie suicidal fanatics, including young children, whom neither the threat of death and sometimes death itself can not stop. And how to fight normally with such an army?
        1. +3
          30 July 2014 15: 04
          And how to fight normally with such an army?


          But no way. There was no need to go where other people live. Look, you live in a communal apartment with two rooms, one of which was once occupied with some kind of Jew. Then he faded from there, rummaged around for a thousand years, and then he suddenly showed up and chopped off one room with you. I would look at you, what a fanatic you would become.

          Threat. And where only Jews for a known history did not live. So now, the whole planet needs to be called Israel, except for Antarctica? Or will they prove there that some of the penguins are of the Semitic root?
          1. +3
            30 July 2014 16: 09
            Quote: alicante11
            But no way. There was no need to go where other people live. Look, you live in a communal apartment with two rooms, one of which was once occupied with some kind of Jew. Then he faded from there, rummaged around for a thousand years, and then he suddenly showed up and chopped off one room with you. I would look at you, what a fanatic you would become

            These analogies with communal apartments ... If we draw an analogy, then your complete nonsense. There was a landlord who has many apartments where many families live, officially the apartments are not theirs, but they live in them for many generations. The neighbors began to quarrel, that in the toilet does not make sense, that he took strangers cups. The owner decided to hammer on this house, to allow the apartments to be privatized, he called his friends and they divided the apartments into families. I didn’t like the fact that after the privatization of the entire floor, their relatives and friends, except for one small apartment, decided to evict and got lule.

            History lessons in analogies for not very gifted ..
            1. -1
              31 July 2014 16: 31
              If we draw an analogy, then your complete nonsense. There was a landlord who has many apartments where many families live, officially the apartments are not theirs, but they live in them for many generations.


              I don’t understand who the boss is? Are the Jews or colonizers European, or are the Romans in general ancient? I mean, Jews were once evicted long ago and other residents lived in those rooms. Naturally, they themselves did not cut each other badly. But with the arrival of the Jews, it was simply put on stream.
              1. -1
                31 July 2014 19: 30
                Quote: alicante11
                I don’t understand who the boss is?

                English mandate
    3. +1
      30 July 2014 19: 10
      somehow confusing concepts ... Geyropa is completely controlled by the same mattresses as Israel ... And those who are serving our mattresses are killing ours. Here the conflict between Israel and its environment is very similar to a mutually beneficial show. How many wealthy people are making money on these wars, especially recently when everything has settled down there and to continue the process, you need to soak a couple of Jewish boys, and a couple of hundred Palestinians to answer and stir up the conflict.
      1. +2
        31 July 2014 07: 06
        Quote: dvvv
        Geyropa is completely controlled by the same mattresses as Israel
        .
        With what hangover, excuse me, Europe suddenly became a Geyropa. Europe is large, a lot of cultures, customs, beliefs, etc. are historically mixed in it. By the way, the non-sickly part of Europe falls on Russia, as well as the non-sickly part of gays and lesbians. It’s just that in civilized Europe they are tolerated at the official level, although there are a lot of ardent opponents of same-sex love, and in Russia there is no official tolerance, just as there was no sex in the USSR, but the phenomenon itself has long bloomed in violent colors. Yes, and the United States I would not call mattresses. All the same, this country has given and continues to give mankind a lot of that which in other countries so far only dream of.
        The fact that monkeys and other idiots climb up the neck of the people of a given country from time to time, so in other countries such monkeys have been missing and have enough. The disease is common. And the medicine for it has not yet been invented.
        Of course, it is apparently pleasant sitting in his village of Gadyukino to scatter all sorts of cliques about the whole countries and peoples, exhausted from the powerlessness of his fearlessness. But what is the use of it and to whom? No harm to the environment?
  14. +12
    30 July 2014 12: 43
    Article plus, the system already works in the army.
    For all that, Israel survived surrounded by enemies. It is worthy of respect.
    The death of Palestinian children and civilians on conscience and those who pay and cultivate local and world extras. movements --- Anglo-Saxons and Saudis.
  15. +2
    30 July 2014 13: 26
    There is no dispute. The system is good. Successfully intercepts everything that flies into it at a speed of 200 m / s. They didn’t think about one thing: what will your Trophy do with a suicide bomber and explosives on it? The next option: a conventional land mine buried along the path of a tank or tractor, only carrying BM to the place of hostilities? As they say, Wellcome to the Gaza Strip.
    1. slava11
      +9
      30 July 2014 14: 07
      This is the main reason for the defeat of tanks today. A charge buried in the ground with 100 kg of explosives. Nothing will save.
    2. +8
      30 July 2014 16: 04
      Yes, no one seems to say that Torfi is a panacea. Saves from much - reduces losses. It will save at least a couple of dozen soldiers-specialists already development will pay off. And there is no ideal protection and never will be
  16. +1
    30 July 2014 13: 30
    The RPG-30 is designed to destroy very specific targets, namely tanks with active protection, such as the Israeli Trophy system, which produces interceptors that destroy the shell on approach. The RPG-30 will overcome this protection, since it launches with two rockets, having a bicaliber design. This is the main tube from which a cumulative anti-tank grenade is fired, and an auxiliary one for launching a missile simulator of a target, which is intercepted by active defense.
    - here it is necessary to try.
    1. +4
      30 July 2014 17: 51
      Quote: Master_Lviv
      The RPG-30 is designed to destroy very specific targets, namely tanks with active protection, such as the Israeli Trophy system, which produces interceptors that destroy the shell on approach. The RPG-30 will overcome this protection, since it launches with two rockets, having a bicaliber design. This is the main tube from which a cumulative anti-tank grenade is fired, and an auxiliary one for launching a missile simulator of a target, which is intercepted by active defense.
      - here it is necessary to try.

      Everything is numbed by the Experimentators, they have already discussed this, distinguishes this KAZ disc from the main charge by EPR, and skipping the blank works on the main ammunition. Data on the recognition of a shot from an RPG-30 is embedded in the software. (Thanks to the Jordanians) lol
  17. +7
    30 July 2014 13: 34
    If we talk about the Trophy system, then, as a specialist (although already used), I was most impressed by the target detection and tracking subsystem (ATGM. After all, the EPR for such targets is negligible and the flight time is calculated in seconds or even fractions of a second. And this subsystem manages to detect targets, set them up for tracking (that is, "tie a track"), determine the parameters of movement of tracked targets and the degree of their threat, distribute targets between the firing channels of the system and determine the moment of firing for each channel, etc.
    I did not make a reservation. The Trophy system, as far as I know, is not single-channel, but multi-channel, i.e. able to fight not with one ATGM but with several in different directions and ranges.
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 16: 03
      Quote: gregor6549
      If we talk about the Trophy system, then, as a specialist (although already used), I was most impressed by the target detection and tracking subsystem (ATGM. After all, the EPR for such targets is negligible and the flight time is calculated in seconds or even fractions of a second. And this subsystem manages to detect targets, set them up for tracking (that is, "tie a track"), determine the parameters of movement of tracked targets and the degree of their threat, distribute targets between the firing channels of the system and determine the moment of firing for each channel, etc.
      I did not make a reservation. The Trophy system, as far as I know, is not single-channel, but multi-channel, i.e. able to fight not with one ATGM but with several in different directions and ranges.

      Greetings, Grigory! I will also tell you as a specialist, but not in electronics, but in explosives and everything related to this. Let's start with point 1. The IDF doctrine stipulates that the life of every soldier is the life of Israel (I exaggerate), the destruction of warheads of means of destruction of tanks by the Trophy system will destroy all infantrymen within a radius of 20 meters (scattering of fragments of the same when undermining + buckshot of the system itself). Then the videos posted by Prof. violate this point by 200%. Point 2., the speed of the striking elements must be at least 2 times greater than the speed of the anti-tank ammunition than the target, that is, at least 500 per second (it simply does not roll against advanced weapons). On the video opposite my post, the detonation of ammunition with the release of a cumulative jet is clearly visible, this indicates the usual detonation of ammunition. 3 point, "Drozd" perfectly caught targets from one radar and, by chance, they did not fall into the hands of either the United States or Israel (for all cars sent to Kharkov before the collapse of the USSR, the stations were removed for testing from the manufacturer). "Trophy" has several of them, and again the videos clearly show that there is no sense in them. Paragraph 4, The detection of flying projectiles was also implemented on the SNAR-type artillery reconnaissance radar (by the way, the same CREDO detects a low-speed target in the form of an SPG-9 projectile at a distance of 600 meters, personal observation) so that the detection range is less than 1 km and the reaction for a threat it is less than 1 second at the sonic velocity of the projectile, "Shtora" and "Arena" prove that the maximum target speed in this case is 700 m / s, after that all such systems are simply useless!
      1. +1
        30 July 2014 16: 11
        Quote: Timeout
        Let's start with point 1. The IDF doctrine stipulates that the life of every soldier is the life of Israel (I exaggerate), the destruction of warheads of means of destruction of tanks by the Trophy system will destroy all infantrymen within a radius of 20 meters (scattering of fragments of the same when undermining + buckshot of the system itself).

        Well, how much can you suck out fantasies from your finger? 6 successful interceptions and there is not a single wounded fighter. Rafael himself (he, unlike you, is not an expert and deals exclusively with fakes wassat ) reports: The systems' average collateral damage is estimated at a <1% chance of a dismounted soldier being injured by Trophy or an incoming threat.

        Quote: Timeout
        "Trophy" has several of them, and again the videos clearly show that there is no sense in them.

        Are you as a specialist claiming that Trophy has the same damaging elements as Drozd?
        It turns out that neither Cornet nor RPG-29 can penetrate Merkava’s armor? wink

        Quote: Timeout
        after that, all such systems are simply useless!

        good
        1. slava11
          0
          30 July 2014 19: 48
          Only for patience can you take off your hat. hi
      2. +5
        30 July 2014 19: 21
        Well, how can you compare artillery reconnaissance stations with the mentioned subsystems? The artillery reconnaissance station has the task of detecting a projectile, mine or missile fired from decent distances, determining their trajectories and, based on calculations, determining the place from where these nasty things are launched. As a rule, such systems do not require a reaction time even comparable to the reaction time of Trophy-type systems. At the same time, artillery reconnaissance stations are, as a rule, a sector survey station, while the Trophy radar station provides an overview of the space of an entire hemisphere, ie. 360 degrees in azimuth and 180 degrees in elevation. Not a field of view, but a dream. And no mechanics.
        Take a look, for example, at the characteristics of one of the most modern Russian r / l art reconnaissance stations "Zoo" http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo_(RLS) and pay attention at least to the time required to calculate only one trajectory of the detected projectile / mine / missile. It is about 20 seconds. If Trophy is so stupid with the calculation of the trajectories of ATGMs, then they will shoot her along with the tank before she finishes her calculations
        I will not mention that this whole menagerie, sorry "Zoo" requires a separate movable unit to accommodate all its "animals". And if we consider that in addition to the Trophy system, which, although considered important, is still auxiliary, a lot of the main things are crammed into the tank (a sickly gun, ammo rack, fire control and navigation and communication systems, etc.), then we get a "picture oil ".
        Again, the "Zoo" is designed to work, though not in the rear, but still not under enemy fire. But the tank will be thrashed by everyone and everything that is at hand. This means that the requirements for the level of security for the antenna system of the Zoo and the antenna system of Trophy are two big differences. It seems like a "trifle", but try to implement such requirements. It would be possible to continue to spread the thought along the tree, but perhaps enough
      3. slava11
        0
        30 July 2014 19: 47
        In vain the Professor is tormented - a test in battle is a real test. And the system past her on EXCELLENT. And you? Well, except gas.
    2. +2
      30 July 2014 17: 55
      In addition, radar systems with an active phased array. (And this is on the tank! Radars of the dome, too, by the way).
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 19: 45
        And by the way, about the birds.
        For Trophy radars, interesting information is published on the website of the Elta radar developer company http://www.iai.co.il/Sip_Storage//FILES/8/38048.pdf. It does not state at all that Trophy radars use antennas with an active phased array antenna. Yes, and to what they are there. Enough is enough and passive headlights. And it is simpler and more reliable, and the dimensions and weight are smaller. By the way, in the survey and sector radar systems C300 / 400 / 500 passive headlights are used. And nothing. Cope with their tasks no worse than AFAR.
        1. 0
          31 July 2014 00: 18
          It does not state at all that Trophy radars use antennas with an active phased array antenna. Yes, and to what they are there. Enough is enough and passive headlights. And it is simpler and more reliable, and the dimensions and weight are smaller. By the way, in the survey and sector radar systems C300 / 400/500 passive headlights are used. And nothing. Cope with their tasks no worse than AFAR.

          It says "Pulse Doppler AESA". This is AFAR.
          1. +1
            31 July 2014 06: 41
            To blame, perhaps he was inattentive, although I remain unconvinced that AFAR and passive HEADLIGHTS perform their tasks with approximately the same efficiency. In this case, since the target detection range is relatively small and a significant probe pulse power is not required, it may have turned out to be advisable to use the AFAR, especially since, apparently, Elbit was able to develop and master in production the small-sized AFAR transmitting modules that are used by this company not only in Trophy, but also in other small-sized radars. So once again I take off my hat to the Elbit developers.
            1. +1
              31 July 2014 10: 49
              So once again I take off my hat to the Elbit developers.

              I am afraid that you have beguiled Elbit with Elta. These are two different companies. Although, probably, both of them do not mind taking off their hats in front of them.
              1. +1
                31 July 2014 15: 27
                Of course I got it, although he himself gave a link to Elta. What would you like? Aging with. I hope the confusion problem will be solved by itself along with the disappearance of those remnants of the brain where this confusion takes place. As there? There is a person, there are problems, there is no person, there are no problems. request
  18. +17
    30 July 2014 13: 41
    We all need to get together and fucking in Qatar. It will immediately become quieter in the Caucasus and Syria with Iraq and Israel ...
    1. +3
      30 July 2014 16: 06
      Dear Rumatu ... well, it’s not so democratic)) I'm afraid that there are those who are opposed to your impulse.
      P.S. I myself am only for))
    2. +2
      30 July 2014 20: 03
      Judging by the fact that Qatar is a very ally of the United States ... then you somehow said something wrong)
    3. 0
      30 July 2014 20: 15
      If you hammer on Qatar it will not be at all quiet, but rather very loud. Swotting will immediately boost gas prices in the most democratic countries, the people of these countries will not understand this, will rebel and what good will want to change the awl in the ass for soap, which is also there. But they couldn’t get a nickname on this and they couldn’t understand the nickname and universal swotting would begin, called a vigorous war in the common people. Do you need this silence in the cemetery named Zenl?
    4. 0
      31 July 2014 02: 11
      and huseynovich?
      http://warfiles.ru/show-65091-rasshifrovka-telefonnoy-besedy-netaniyagu-i-obamy.
      html
  19. Crang
    +5
    30 July 2014 13: 57
    "Merkava" is a powerful tank. Guys from the Russian Party of Israel - give us 10 pieces. Let's test it and compare it with the T-90A.
    1. +5
      30 July 2014 15: 38
      And why do we need this ????
      So that you then transferred the improved tanks to the Arabs for free hi
      1. Crang
        +1
        30 July 2014 18: 05
        Study it. See how he is in battle. Can take over something interesting from him. You just need to put a 125mm gun for him. And we will give you a T-90A in full minced meat to try. We will not hand over the Merkavas to the Arabs. In your conflict, we are entirely on your side. These bandits have already gotten fed up. If they yell that they are killing civilians, then let them lead their army into battle. And then all from under the tishka. They fight at night, and during the day they are like "civilians".
      2. +1
        30 July 2014 20: 03
        Well, and give! And when was the last time transmitted, much less for nothing?)
  20. +2
    30 July 2014 15: 11
    Then someone asked about the spear that can penetrate armor:
    RPG-30 "Hook" manual anti-tank grenade launcher
    http://defendingrussia.ru/granatomety/rpg-30_kryuk
    1. +1
      30 July 2014 16: 11
      Quote: Irbis
      Then someone asked about the spear which perhaps able to break through armor:

      Corrected, do not thank ...
    2. -2
      30 July 2014 18: 25
      Quote: Irbis
      Then someone asked about the spear that can penetrate armor:
      RPG-30 "Hook" manual anti-tank grenade launcher
      http://defendingrussia.ru/granatomety/rpg-30_kryuk

      It is unlikely that there was an interview with developers, they said that the presence and development of such systems was taken into account.
  21. 0
    30 July 2014 15: 56
    rocket speed will solve the problem, we are waiting for a mobile assault complex with a missile attack
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 19: 40
      it may even be) The system, like the Dome for internal use, and other threats are not considered). Like the slogans that Merkava is the best tank in the world and you can improve it ad infinitum)
  22. +2
    30 July 2014 16: 05
    I am glad that there are many representatives of the promised land in the subject. Answer me all the same, will this system work on a grenade with AGS-30? The fact that shells and bullets she ignores is understandable. But is it capable of recognizing simple grenades and not transferring its limited ammunition?
    Just as the Merkava tank is ideal and ultra-precisely ground for the right conditions, Arabian means are also peculiar. Often, Arabs cause only material and economic damage by exchanging high-tech dome missiles for pipe pieces filled with gunpowder.
    In this case, a preliminary exchange of Trophy ammunition for the line from the AGS-30 is possible, followed by a hit on the tank without active protection from the RPG.
    It seems to me that Israel’s fascination with high technologies for the fight against partisans is somewhat doubtful as to its appropriateness.
    1. +4
      30 July 2014 16: 26
      Quote: qwert
      Answer me all the same, will this system work on a grenade with AGS-30?


      I’m afraid that besides the developers, no one will answer this question. I’m sure that the tests were carried out, but there are no data on the results. I tried to see at least some kind of info - deafly.
    2. 0
      30 July 2014 19: 32
      if we take into account that the Arabs are fighting for the money that sponsors pay them, then the Jews are sawing the budget by creating the most "smart and accurate" ammunition and, most likely, this is an illustration of how well the funds are spent so that opponents of cutting the budget that the Americans feed for their share of cutting amerskoy budget, could not prevent those who took money to saw. In short, in short - everything is done for the sake of money and everyone is drinking ... Alas, this is how capitalism works
    3. -1
      31 July 2014 09: 51
      In theory, the answer to the RPG-30 is a simple change to the Trophy software.
      The first grenade is small - small and its imprint on the radar.
      It will not work, but they will wait for the second grenade - the real one.
      On the contrary, it’s easier for Trophy: the first grenade is a warning about
      second.
      1. +3
        31 July 2014 10: 40
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The first grenade is small - small and its imprint on the radar.

        Not certainly in that way. There is a corner reflector with the same signature as the main missile. Nevertheless, terrorists will have similar systems; KAZ with a double charge will appear.
        1. l_Kalashnikova
          +1
          1 August 2014 06: 32
          Professor, good day.

          Such a question: How is KAZ friendly with high temperatures? Let's say the first shot at a tank from a "bumblebee", detonation close to the tank, high temperature (possibly even combustion) disables the KAZ. And the second number is the good old PG-7VR? Thanks.
          Maybe one of the specialists on the site also tells.
          1. -1
            1 August 2014 09: 45
            Quote: l_Kalashnikova
            Such a question: How is KAZ friendly with high temperatures? Let's say the first shot at a tank from a "bumblebee", detonation close to the tank, high temperature (possibly even combustion) disables the KAZ ...

            The interception range exceeds the RPO detonation radius, all the more so when intercepting the shell of the attacking shell is destroyed, that is, full detonation will not work, more likely ignition of the filler mixture, but again not close enough. request

            Here is a napalm aerial bomb, but it can do troubles ... what But why spend it on a tank, I don’t understand ... wassat
            It is theoretically possible to drop a bomb on a tank convoy, but its use will be due to the absence in the arsenal of cluster anti-tank bombs with elements of individual guidance ... therefore we are talking about a technologically backward enemy ... whose aircraft, in turn, will become easy prey for the air forces of the side whose technological the level allows you to supply tanks with KAZ ... Unrealistically shorter ... wassat

            Py.Sy. - the effectiveness of the PG-7VR against Merkava’s armor in any case tends to zero, in Lebanon only the Cornets punched, and the Vampires with a successful hit, the rest is stuck in the armor.
        2. -1
          1 August 2014 09: 30
          Quote: professor
          Not certainly in that way. There is a corner reflector with the same signature as the main missile.

          As far as I remember, one of the advantages of an active phased array is the ability to distinguish false targets such as corner reflectors from the main ones in terms of overall dimensions. what
          1. -1
            1 August 2014 21: 24
            Quote: And Us Rat
            As far as I remember, one of the advantages of an active phased array is the ability to distinguish false targets such as corner reflectors from the main ones in terms of overall dimensions.

            I wonder how it is? By the way, there is no AFAR there. hi
            1. -1
              2 August 2014 04: 00
              Quote: professor
              Quote: And Us Rat
              As far as I remember, one of the advantages of an active phased array is the ability to distinguish false targets such as corner reflectors from the main ones in terms of overall dimensions.

              I wonder how it is? By the way, there is no AFAR there. hi

              Twenty-five again, well, what a pompous habit of declaring what you have no idea about - embarrassment comes out however.
              There is AFAR - English on white is written in the manufacturer's brochure.
              Here is the link: on the manufacturer’s page there is a PDF file for the download (on the right side under the pictures) - ELM-2133 Brochure

              It clearly states: The Pulse Doppler TO THAT (Active electronically steering array)
              1. 0
                2 August 2014 08: 57
                Quote: And Us Rat
                Twenty-five again, well, what a pompous habit of declaring what you have no idea about - embarrassment comes out however.

                That's just morality is not necessary to read, I admit the mistake about AFAR. feel
                http://www.iai.co.il/Sip_Storage//FILES/8/38048.pdf
            2. 0
              2 August 2014 04: 30
              Quote: professor
              I wonder how it is?

              By calibration.
              A feature that can only be used in active gratings is the ability to control the gain of individual transceiver modules. If this can be done, the range of angles through which the beam can be deflected increases significantly, and thus many of the limitations of the geometry of gratings that have conventional phased gratings can be circumvented.

              hi
              1. +2
                2 August 2014 09: 06
                Quote: And Us Rat
                By calibration.

                Calibration? How?
                The relatively small area of ​​the radar, the absence of a spaced apart radar or radars, the similar dimensions of the preliminary and main missiles, the presence of corner reflectors in the preliminary missile will not allow any calibration to distinguish between them. Too many unknowns with a limited amount of data.
                1. -2
                  2 August 2014 20: 29
                  Quote: professor
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  By calibration.

                  Calibration? How?

                  But the devil knows how, specialists say that it is possible, I believe them request
                  And in the article (which is on the link) I also did not find refutations. If interested - you need to dig, maybe the article is good in the end on countermeasures and AFAR will come out. wink
  23. +3
    30 July 2014 16: 35
    As I understand it, the Lebanese company didn’t push tanks into the city for nothing, we do not push them, they work only nearby.
    1. +1
      30 July 2014 18: 42
      Military Review !!!
      A plus.
    2. -1
      31 July 2014 12: 49
      Pushing. Tanks are now operating in the cities of Gaza, on the streets.
      In Lebanon, by the way, missile attacks on tanks were open
      terrain. So there is no connection with the type of terrain.
  24. Reasonable
    0
    30 July 2014 16: 54
    First, a salvo from Zu23 * 2 followed by an RPG.
    1. milekhan
      +6
      30 July 2014 17: 44
      If You are Reasonable, why write so unreasonably? wink
      A sufficiently experienced crew of old-timers will cover your zushka in half a minute and then it’s possible that he will put a grenade launcher.
    2. Florist
      +4
      30 July 2014 17: 48
      the main thing is not to forget that the tank is not a target! This is a firing point!
      1. +3
        30 July 2014 20: 34
        especially for Merkava, it’s not just a firing point, but a bunker
        1. -2
          4 August 2014 18: 17
          This is a compliment to the tank. If the tank is not long-term
          firing point (DOT), then why is it needed - disposable?
  25. -1
    30 July 2014 19: 24
    Nevertheless, it would be necessary to test this Trophy on Hashima and RPG-30 ... here there will be an advertisement for a grenade launcher! And everyone is happy: the Arabs will run after new grenade launchers, and the Jews will receive a budget to fine-tune their Trophy to a new level and premium tactical armored toilets!
    1. -2
      30 July 2014 19: 34
      Quote: dvvv
      Nevertheless, it would be necessary to test this Trophy on Hashima and RPG-30 ...

      And if anti-advertising comes out? What then?
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 20: 33
        then storm assault with missile attack
  26. 0
    30 July 2014 19: 37
    Quote: DanG73
    I tried to see at least some kind of info - deafly.

    - no one needs anti-advertising) Now the goods are on and until they can be bought, it is possible to remain silent. after someone will conduct additional tests and ... find holes in the system! here begins the cry about injecting new money to improve the system)
    when the suicide bombers sent the twins to the Amer’s towers, the first thought I had was how it would be cut and how much dough was being cut! Any reason is good if it allows you to grab money.
  27. 0
    30 July 2014 19: 50
    Quote: Pimply
    And if anti-advertising comes out? What then?

    - success is guaranteed in any case))) Either Russian Jews will take money out of the budget to improve RPGs or Israeli to improve Trophy). There’s a lot of money flowing through Jewish little hands) Ukraine won’t even put a single Khokh to power and ... war broke out at the behest of Amer Jews with the embodiment of Kolomoysha and others) How much money are they taking out from the people under the brave slogans of pain for the country! Moreover, there Kolomoysha supplies fuel and lubricants to the troops and not only. You can’t imagine a better way than to steal in a war
  28. 0
    30 July 2014 19: 55
    Quote: milekhan
    A sufficiently experienced crew of old-timers will cover your zushka in half a minute and then it’s possible that he will put a grenade launcher.

    - everything can happen here ... war is a very random system and it is not a fact that the Izratil warriors, accustomed to a comfortable war with symbolic opponents, will so coolly solve the problem. Porsle queues ZSU and Trophy itself may stop working and the surveillance devices are damaged and just diarrhea in a soldier from this salvo in the tank happens ... and, of course, it very much depends on how the attackers run fast)
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  30. slava11
    +3
    30 July 2014 19: 58
    One thing is for sure - ONLY THE ARTICLES CONCERNING DIRECT OR DETAILED ISRAEL IS GETTING THIS AUDIENCE !!!!
    1. +7
      30 July 2014 20: 01
      You flatter yourself) Now the most popular topic is Ukraine.
      1. 0
        1 August 2014 11: 52
        They are the chosen ones :) They themselves elected and re-elected :)
    2. +2
      31 July 2014 07: 00
      The fact is that many on the site have antipathy towards Israel, solely because the representatives of this country on this site defend the side of the Americans. One has only to touch American technology, and sometimes politics, as people under the white flag with the Star of David begin to argue and ... In a word, the Russian dislike for the United States was projected onto you. As they say in American films: "Nothing personal")))) Moreover, Israel and I have no special claims and controversial points (with the exception of Syria). And on Qattara it is necessary to shy away. And Saudi Arabia will make a warning too.
      1. 0
        1 August 2014 11: 57
        I disagree with you. If only a few people feel antipathy towards Israel, they are silent about it. The rest of the overwhelming majority is outraged by the scratch that practically all "Israelis" without exception are satisfied with here. They behave like the same lumps (their one-blood brothers) whom they regularly shoot gases in the sector.
  31. -1
    30 July 2014 20: 07
    One fighter of the invisible front under all my comments carefully put the minus .... Guys, let's have different points of view! This will help mutual understanding and save us from the trouble of becoming cannon fodder for the sake of someone else's money!
    1. slava11
      +2
      30 July 2014 21: 05
      Come on. I've got 2000 minuses and don’t cry.
      1. Davidon
        +1
        31 July 2014 04: 41
        here they banyat and in a minus, carefully, it’s obvious you only need to be a pat and a peoner ... :)
      2. 0
        1 August 2014 20: 41
        Crying is heard even on the coast of the Gulf of Ob.
        And all that anti-Semites damned us will pass! Not because I'm pi.do.r but for my national affiliation!
  32. +1
    30 July 2014 20: 15
    Quote: Pimply
    And if anti-advertising comes out? What then?


    The solution to overcome the KAZ was found in the process of defending the technical project for R&D "Arena". I regret that many of those participating in the discussion of the Trophy's successes were not informed about it.
    1. +1
      30 July 2014 21: 32
      Quote: Urri
      The solution to overcome the KAZ was found in the process of defending the technical project for R&D "Arena".

      if not a secret, then how to overcome it?
  33. Anton Fedorov
    0
    30 July 2014 20: 36
    This is the "fire and forget" thing or did you forget?

    1. +1
      30 July 2014 23: 35
      I looked up to the words "the amount of explosives in the tank corresponds to ..." and dropped it. Wunderwaffle again. Really, it was impossible to just stuff at least mattresses into the tank on the seats of the crew, if you feel sorry for the money, and demonstrate what was left of the mattress. And so - ugly, you see. Something flew in, exploded, and then something exploded inside the tank. There is no connection. Here in the Professor's video you can see it concretely, and here ...
  34. crowley
    -3
    30 July 2014 21: 24
    Our T-90 is still better !!!
    1. +3
      30 July 2014 21: 33
      Quote: Crowley
      Our T-90 is still better !!!
      1. slava11
        0
        30 July 2014 21: 43
        I made fun.
    2. +1
      30 July 2014 21: 47
      This article is not about tanks, if you notice of course.
  35. 0
    30 July 2014 21: 30
    a little off topic but I wonder if there are electronic warfare systems suppressing the KAZ radar on tanks? Put such a jammer on the battlefield and all - KAZ does not work.
    1. slava11
      -1
      30 July 2014 21: 46
      It is strange that they do not suppress the entire communication of the enemy? So no how!
    2. +1
      30 July 2014 22: 07
      a little off topic but I wonder if there are electronic warfare systems suppressing the KAZ radar on tanks? Put such a jammer on the battlefield and all - KAZ does not work.


      Theoretically possible. It is practically simpler and cheaper to use artillery or actual tanks against self-propelled guns, tank destroyers.
    3. Davidon
      +2
      31 July 2014 04: 44
      jammers from drones all missiles will fly off G)
  36. 0
    30 July 2014 21: 41
    I wanted to ask a question about electronic warfare, but Dimka off got ahead. At the same time, a variant is possible not only of KAZ failure, but also spontaneous operation.
    And I also want to ask specialists on KAZ.
    If you damage part of the radar antennas, for example, by sniper fire, then a breach will form in the defense and then the tank can be finished off. Or is there some kind of radar antenna protection?
    1. slava11
      -1
      30 July 2014 21: 45
      What do you think? If it withstands an explosion in focus.
      1. 0
        30 July 2014 22: 25
        I think that in order to protect the antennas from fragments, an appropriate class of armor protection is needed, a radio-transparent casing. But perhaps he will not protect against armor-piercing rifle ammunition.
        1. slava11
          -1
          30 July 2014 22: 39
          Well, why do people write such nonsense - you yourself are ready to sit with a rifle and shoot at the tank. It is strange that, apart from sofa warriors, for example, none of the Arabs, even the combatants, are running with a rifle against tanks. Can you try?
          1. +2
            30 July 2014 23: 04
            The wise guy should not go to the person! Probably a pimple student himself because of a computer can’t get out. Regarding the rifle against the tank, watch the video from the battles in New Russia. Dill tanks have no KAZ, but the guys extinguish all the optics for him, and then, as they say, a matter of technology.
            PS. My work has been EW for 15 years now and of course I understand little in sniper work, but this is not a reason to be rude to elders (and judging by your way of communicating, you are still young and stupid - no offense).
            1. 0
              30 July 2014 23: 57
              Well, EW and repay. They don’t like to remember how the windbreaker worked on Namer (mistook it for a rocket) and shot in his direction. They also don’t like to remember how at night the missile and ATGM spike got lost in Peru and fell 50 meters from military representatives.
  37. +4
    30 July 2014 21: 45
    The dispute between the armor and the shell is eternal, it looks like the armor is moving ahead, the answer of the RPG developers will of course follow.
    But in any case, I would rather be in a car with a similar system than without it, the probability of survival for the crew has increased, with which I congratulate the Israeli tankers.
  38. -2
    30 July 2014 21: 53
    Quote: il grand casino
    Quote: Denimax
    Interestingly react to a projectile from a missile weapon:
    slingshot, bow, crossbow? If you add a reflector.

    No, the speed of the projectile is simply not enough to make it fall into the category of targets.

    It is then necessary to create an urban grenade launcher, with ballistic missile weapons. At 100 m along the hinged trajectory, you can get into the roof of the tank without any hi-tech, only a laser rangefinder is needed. A slingshot can release a bunch of false targets. smile
    1. 0
      30 July 2014 22: 25
      he already has a slingshot and a bunch of grenades
    2. 0
      30 July 2014 22: 28
      Yeah or use PTRS (D) 41 years of development. Maybe KAZ for such a shot will not work. wink
  39. slon82
    +1
    30 July 2014 23: 33
    The system is good, respect for Jews, minus one
    last generation ATGM systems (javelin spike) why they will not be needed if there will be a mass introduction of KAZ on armored vehicles.
    By the way, I read that Hamas is trying to shoot radars from sniper weapons and then ram the equipment.
  40. 0
    31 July 2014 02: 03
    successes to Israel, David Goliath won by the power of reason! and whom God wants to punish - deprives that mind!
    and yet there is curiosity, and here is the suprativa of such a thing (this is not the main, but the abnormal charge) like a trophy?
    I would like Husseinovich to be afraid of Russia in something?
  41. +2
    31 July 2014 06: 29
    A good defense, the main thing is that the infantry fight at a distance, and it can even hurt. Our defense was invented by such a principle first. There is a finished product - Arena. Trophy, as I understand it, has one ammunition per zone, the Arena has better plan in this regard - the zone is blocked by 4 ammunition. That's just Trophy is already standing on the Merkava, and the Arena is still standing at the factory :(
  42. 0
    31 July 2014 18: 45
    An article as an advertisement + you just need to add:
    Well, buy me - shamefully covering your thick ass with a windbreaker exclaims Merkava Mk4
    1. 0
      31 July 2014 19: 51
      nevertheless, it is a highly specialized tank for the needs of Israel, the T-90 is more suitable for many, which is not visible to the Israeli participants ...
      someone will answer the post above about how the act is sharpened. Protection from a false charge in the photo? here is another gfagic ...
      off topic almost, but funny: ttps: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = 0Qeu8TEBvJ4
      that fotochka not priapapilsya .... maybe there’s nothing, it’s not look a little from who nuno ....
  43. +1
    31 July 2014 21: 07
    KAS for MBT and BRM - understandable. But I especially "like" the food promoted by some for equipping BMPs (armored personnel carriers) with CAS systems instead of spending money on additional spaced armor or, in rare cases, on DZ. Poor infantry! no one reckons with her, concussions and injuries among the dismounted infantry, even in the event of a missile grenade shot.
  44. -3
    1 August 2014 11: 50
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Because the video was shot by Hamas, they cannot admit that it is justified ... not in their style.

    And since when did Nasirun change his masters again? Shekels from now is not kosher?;)
    1. -2
      3 August 2014 00: 32
      Too redneck for an "aristocrat", it is aristocratic to troll with intellect, and this is plebeianism. tongue Consider that minus edifying.
      When I write from a mobile phone - for some reason, the mattress is on the checkbox, probably due to the telecom operator and the location of its servers.
      1. -2
        3 August 2014 16: 28
        We had an interesting correspondence with this ... aristocrat.
        He is trying to say something, but if they disagree with him,
        offended like a young girl, and immediately translates speech to the Middle East,
        paisas, judah and 30 silver coins ... In general, a classic such
        "internationalist" laughing
        1. +1
          4 August 2014 02: 07
          Only those who are offended like you are offended by fools. So relax and do not bother with a client.
      2. -2
        4 August 2014 02: 06
        Do not smear. So say that you are ready to sell to the one who pays the most.
        You have changed a lot of flags.
        1. 0
          4 August 2014 04: 15
          Quote: Aristocrat
          Do not smear. So say that you are ready to sell to the one who pays the most.
          You have changed a lot of flags.

          Screenshots in the studio! fellow
  45. waggish
    +1
    2 August 2014 17: 16
    It is good that they are tuning our tanks and, in general, mutual cooperation is getting denser and denser !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  46. +1
    3 August 2014 11: 23
    Who knows, and what is the maximum speed of the target that can be that intercepts the trophy?
    1. +1
      4 August 2014 04: 21
      Quote: Gayver
      Who knows, and what is the maximum speed of the target that can be that intercepts the trophy?

      It is classified, according to the developers, it can intercept supersonic AT missiles (aircraft, for example, Mach 1.2 - 1.8), but subcaliber "scrap" (Mach 3+) can no longer.
  47. -1
    4 August 2014 18: 38
    The latest modification of the TOW ATGM (BGM-71F) works like this:
    when a rocket flies over a tank tower, then from
    two charges separate from it - false and main (explosively formed penetrators)
    and fly vertically downward (at 90 degrees from
    course of the rocket), punching the roof of the tank.
    The missile itself does not change course and is destroyed by self-explosion.
    This self-forging warhead is revolutionary: an armor-piercing head
    formed during the explosion.
    And the only tank that can withstand a blow from above is Merkava-4. But not
    thanks to the Trophy, and thanks to the thick metal-ceramic armor on the roof of the tower.
    1. 0
      4 August 2014 20: 36
      Quote: voyaka uh
      two charges separate from it - false and main (explosively formed penetrators)

      No. There are no false charges, but only preliminary (to overcome dynamic protection) and the main (for the main armor).

      Quote: voyaka uh
      And the only tank that can withstand a blow from above is Merkava-4. But not thanks to the Trophy, but thanks to the thick metal-ceramic armor on the roof of the tower.

      No. The armor of the Merkava -4 tank is not able to withstand the impact core of the BGM-71F. But Trophy is able to intercept such an ATGM.
      1. -1
        5 August 2014 19: 43
        Then you need to strengthen the armor. The BGM-71F is the future.
        1. -1
          5 August 2014 20: 34
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Then you need to strengthen the armor. The BGM-71F is the future.

          It is useless to strengthen the armor, and KAZ is coping.
  48. +3
    5 August 2014 18: 56
    There are few Jews and they are cherished winked And this is correct, our "war economists" need to think similarly. This KAZ system, like the Iron Dome missile defense system, is expensive, but it really takes care of people and soldiers.
  49. War Cat
    -1
    11 August 2014 19: 04
    There is only one weak point.
    Because the defense system sends a large number of damaging elements to the target, then
    finding his foot special forces in a radius closer than 100m. from the tank just suicide.

    And in a "city" battle without infantry flank cover, the tank is easily hit by the usual "Molotov cocktail".
    And against the bottle thrown from the ruins, the system simply does not work.
  50. +1
    20 August 2014 19: 06
    It’s a good system. Does it fire interestingly on 30mm shells? So you can quickly use up all the protective elements from a quick-firing gun and there’s at least an RPG, at least a cocktail, at least a can of gasoline.
  51. 0
    26 October 2021 10: 50
    I wonder why they didn’t use a complex of protection for tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and armored personnel carriers in Afghanistan. After all, they were already created then. Or am I wrong...