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Text reminder. What is Novorossia fighting for and what awaits us if it is crushed

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Text reminder. What is Novorossia fighting for and what awaits us if it is crushedFor the second month, people have been following the slaughter in the South-East. Now, when the media writes about the retreat of the militia of New Russia to the capitals of the people's republics, many rejoice in their bright naivety: “this bloodshed will stop”.

Some rejoice over another kind of naivety. It sounds like this to them: “It would be quicker. Let even this militia be erased as a powder, if only it were possible to fly to Kiev again, do business, on the Internet these stupid wars are over, it’s impossible to read the tape already. ”

Judging by the reaction, people do not quite understand what this war is all about, who is at war with whom and what does Russia have to do with it.

The picture in the minds of many compatriots who are trying to “think for themselves” without reliance on knowledge - as a result, a specific one is formed.

This is the standard of independent thinking that despises knowledge, People’s Artist of the USSR Oleg Basilashvili says: “I don’t understand what exactly they are fighting for ... I don’t understand what goals the so-called rebels achieve ... Why do these people resist?” Maybe stop shooting, guys - what are you fighting for? No, they are shooting again ... We must stop this slaughter. In place of the rebels, I would go out on a high hill, pick up weapon, put it on the ground and shouted: “Brothers, everything! We stop shooting. Stop it too. Let's sit down, talk ... ".

We will not discuss this particular Basilashvili here, but this interview and these words are very significant. So thinks a huge number of people. Well, try to ask your friends this question: “What is the militia fighting for?” Shrug their shoulders.

Why did this happen?

The beginning of the conflict - the notorious non-signing of the association - occurred at the end of November. It turns out that for the eighth month we are closely watching how the fraternal people in the brotherly land turn up some completely non-brotherly affairs. First, we followed the euromaidan twitter, then we watched the Berkut fighters burn alive, then we watched the video “We will never be brothers”, then the first corpses on Maidan went, then the Crimea, then Southeast rose, then the tragedy in Odessa, then there were the election of Poroshenko and the so-called ATO. There are many events, the situation explodes, then flows sluggishly without change, in any case it is difficult and painful to look at it. But no matter how worried we are, for eight months to keep a close watch on this disgrace and still keep in mind the whole logical chain, the whole history events with all the details are incredibly difficult. And last but not least - psychologically hard. Apparently, in the minds of some citizens happened news drawdown. The role, place and history of the militia in this conflict was simply lost in a heap of other events.

Maybe this is a media flaw, but today it turns out that the bright side of the opposition initially supported by the majority of Russians is the one that was against Maidan, against the fascists, Bandera and Sashko Bilogo, against the degenerate leaders of Maidan, the one that was burned in Odessa and which was squirted tear gas in a paddy wagon in Zaporozhye, - today it gets on its neck a label of terrorists who are bothering something and because of which whole regions are trying to wipe off the earth.

Let us remember who the “so-called rebels” are, where these people came from and what they are fighting for.

Paragraph 1. Where did the Resistance come from

The east of Ukraine from the very beginning did not support the Maidan movement. You can even say that the Maidan itself, as it could, disowned the relationship with the East. The Maidan of the European hobbits, as he could, presented himself separately from "Colorado, Vatniki, slaves, Lugandons and Donbaras". This is even evidenced by the fact that all the dogs for any provocations on the Maidan were hanged on some “titushki from Donetsk”. The East, too, was in no hurry to subscribe to the demolition of monuments and fascist slogans - as if the all-Ukrainian aspirations of the unrecognized Euro-NATO independent power were. As under the leadership of boxers, fascists, criminals and other Yatsenyuk. Under the curtain of the Sochi Olympics, we saw the first deaths on the Maidan and the formal seizure of state power by protesters. The junta proclaimed itself power and became officially known as the junta. In response, Southeast rose.

That is, in a country where a group of armed persons threw off a legitimate president and called themselves power, the other half of the country suddenly showed up, as if completely disagreeing with the results of standing on the squares.

Think about it: the official legitimate power has been dropped, there is no power in a single country, just like a single country itself, but the putschists declare themselves divorcing and claim to establish power in that part of the country that initially opposed the coup.

Of course, this second half of the country will be entitled to consider itself, if not the heir of a lost state, then a full-fledged subject in terms of establishing its power over its people on its territory. Ukro-hobbits didn’t want to put up with it, and the Maidan movement urgently sent punitive detachments from “Pravosek” to put pressure on the root of the attempts absolutely absolutely justified in such a situation to resist the situation in a supposedly united state.

Paragraph 2. How Armed Resistance

If you remember (if you do not remember, the chronicle is presented here), the East has risen in the format of peaceful assemblies and the peaceful nomination of its popular leaders. Attempts to display the people's will immediately choked with scumbags from the "Right Sector" with all the consequences. Militants attacked meetings, tent cities, knit protest leaders, firing out injuries. And all this is under the flag of the junta allegedly established as the official power, with the blocking of information sources, dances in the Rada, circus military mobilization, criminal cases of separatism and nods to Western partners. It was at this moment that the residents of the East, who were officially free from the putsch power, understood that they would not be left alone, they would crush and punish. Here, in response to the fascist storming and howling of the junta, the seizures of buildings of law enforcement agencies, militia charges, armaments and civil war began.

Thus, today's bearded men with machine guns are people who, in a situation of complete powerlessness, dared to defend the right of their people to self-determination. These are people who do not want to have anything in common with the pro-Western putsch, the fascists and the oligarchs who have cleverly crushed all this fuss. And the same company forced them to take the automata in their hands, which became enraged by the fact that some eastern rabble was not happy with the results of the coup, that there was not enough to give half a liter for non-Ukrainians from the East for titushnicia, and they want, you see, referendums, federalization and people's governors .

Paragraph 3. What are they fighting for

Now let's see what joy awaits us in the case of the long-awaited plum of the New Russia and the much-desired (there will be peace! Peace!) Defeat of the militia.

After the surrender of Novorossia and the defeat of the militias, the new Ukraine, led by the oligarch president, turns into a new anti-Russia, hypertrophied in all directions, Poland. This new hyper-Poland will not be quiet for 20 for years to spoil us with scientific conferences and polls in Western “councils of nations”, and on the same day it will bring to life the most terrible foreign policy decisions for us. This hyper-Poland will be twice as large, on our borders, ideologically prepared for the realization of all national complexes, - it has no other ideas at all, apart from hostility with us. Its top will be absolutely guaranteed security in the West, and its population will have nothing to lose.

And yet this new Poland will very much want to take away our peninsula in the Black Sea, which has gone to it in a bureaucratic manner when there was still no difference between it and us. She will also be very eager to lie under our strategic adversary the United States, making him any concessions at the expense of any benefits. And we cried all the established gas exports to Europe, the trade-offs built over the years, trade relations, draft treaties, economic stability, guarantees and prosperity, which today is hampered by the division of children with machine guns at our borders.

The militia is the last frontier before the start of the implementation of such a scenario. The last frontier before the transformation of the next neighbor, culturally, geographically and geographically, into another Euro-less-integrated post-Soviet republic. The final frontier before the discharge of the Eurasian reintegration project that is vital for the Russian world. Yes, in the case of the discharging of the New Russia, the bloodshed will be stopped, and this is a definite plus and joy. However, as soon as the last militia folded the machine, the other end of this joy will start firing at us.
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  1. dr.Bo
    dr.Bo 29 July 2014 14: 42
    +24
    The enemy will not pass!
    1. Slavapom
      Slavapom 29 July 2014 15: 14
      0
      I say right away that I do not consider myself to be "all-propals", as well as "zaputintsy", I try to collect more or less objective information about what is happening.
      The author of the text writes that as soon as the last rebel in Donetsk and Lugansk lay down his arms, right there, in Russia, a northern fur animal will come. Personally, I have some kind of misunderstanding of the idea that the author is trying to convey.
      Let's say the following: the DPR and LPR survived, created a union state, ousted ukrofashists to the border of their states, which in this situation will fundamentally change in the political and geopolitical sense for Russia. I remind you that the territory still called Ukraine consists of 2's dozens of regions, what will fundamentally change from the formation of the new state of New Russia?
      At the moment, the protest movement is not like there is no western or central regions of Ukraine, there are no protest movements in the south either Kharkov, Kherson, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa are sitting on the priest exactly, occasionally hooligan. For example, for all the time of hostilities there were only 2 TWO !!!!!! articles on sabotage at tank repair enterprises.
      So, in addition to the conclusions, it would not be bad for the author of the article to propose an option, or options for action, even if fantastic.
      1. Dali
        Dali 29 July 2014 15: 35
        +9
        But you know that ... an example is contagious ... to learn from examples ... and in general, so far this is the principle of mastering something by all highly developed living beings !!!

        I hope you understand me ... the West, led by the Pindos, understands perfectly, otherwise I would have spat on the LPR and the DPR a long time ago.

        And in the article as a whole, the direction of the movement of events is correctly understood ... 40 million enemies (with an abnormal psyche) are at hand ...
        1. Slavapom
          Slavapom 29 July 2014 16: 07
          +17
          Well, yes, and before this 23 of the year, Ukraine is not Russia, neglect in the form of statements by the MOS ... whether, the constant blackmail of the expulsion of the fleet from Sevastopol and so on, it was just the same manifestation of friendship and / or fraternal feelings. For 23 years, we have been essentially living with a hostile state.
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        2. ispaniard
          ispaniard 29 July 2014 16: 43
          +15
          It is intelligently and concisely written. Very suitable for educational program for beginners at VO.
          Well, the story ends at the most interesting place, and history itself gives our country a pen, ink and a sheet of paper offering to continue the story of the fall or rise of the Slavic world and its allies ...
          Sectoral sanctions have been introduced, so there is no point in relying on an objective assessment of the atrocities of the Junta and the EU (just as you should not forget who organized the Maidan at all). The only thing is to lobby for the truth that Boeing was shot down by the Khuntyat (we don't need this black spot in the country's history) and recognize Novorossiya. Yes, yes RECOGNIZE NEW RUSSIA jokes and the period of "Stormy petting" with the EU is over, Europe again, as in 1939, parted flabby thighs and lay down under another tyrant (only now Black). Period -Consumption societies in our country, alas and ah, is coming to an end ...

          Either we, as a country, will withstand, rationally justifying each of our POWER STEP (and without engaging in regular flirting with the "Western partners"), we recognize Novorossia, and then the entire South-East (included in it), and finally we will lay a land communication with Transnistria.
          Or, we will "lie down" like Europe BUT we will not do with simple pushing the buns ... Who of you remembers comrade officers 1991, etc. will understand what I'm talking about, (then they were afraid to touch us, a dying, but still breathing Titan called the USSR, now everyone will be tearing and tearing, both from the outside and from the inside ...). Who cares what will happen to our country in the apotheosis of the second option, read the novel by Beker Al Atomi "The Marauder".
          P.S. Whoever says anything, I believe in V.V. Putin, yes, he had a lot of mistakes, but the number of reefs he passed at the helm of a ship called RUSSIA is enormous. We do not know about many of the dangers that we escaped under his control (most of us do not know) and do not need to know (for many, our nerves simply could not stand it). Now the ship Russia has to withstand the storm, and REAL PEOPLE will remain on it. They can already be seen there, among the struggles for the independence of New Russia.
          1. 97110
            97110 29 July 2014 17: 46
            +1
            Quote: ispaniard
            The period - Consumer societies in our country, alas, ah is coming to an end ...

            Didn’t live well (?) And you don’t need to get used to it. I agree with the author of the article and the author of the quoted comment. To recognize and when to recognize New Russia is to decide the GDP. We need to prepare for the fact that
            Quote: ispaniard
            ship Russia has to withstand the storm
            There is only one option - to keep order. And, when there is a desire to shout about his disagreement with the GDP, to demand specific actions from him, to remember what the foreman (any other authorized person) did with the speaker in the ranks. To whom it is not clear - come to the Army.
          2. max2215
            max2215 29 July 2014 18: 18
            +2
            I want to add a little: I think we don't have much to fight on the couch, the war will begin in October-November. The mattresses are about to declare the dill allies, the dill is mobilizing, the troops in the Crimea region are practically deployed, it remains for the mattresses to declare them allies and start delivering weapons and begin the deployment of "peacekeepers" from NATO, everything will be prepared in Poland, the Baltic states. not just from the desire to be naked and you kicking the PL is not from a good life, I hope I'm wrong, I really hope - I really don't want to witness the apocalypse
          3. vladmetro
            vladmetro 29 July 2014 19: 54
            +1
            Support the fullness of this post. I can only say that
            Putin needs to overcome the anti-power lobby of the oligarchs, who are more concerned about their wallet than the fate of Russia!
        3. Wing
          Wing 29 July 2014 18: 04
          +1
          not 40 million, but about 180 million. Europe is different, except for Germans and Serbs, out of 180 million, about 30 million + 500 tons of Muslim and Catholic ideological destruction of Orthodoxy and Mohammedanism will be trampled onto Russia.
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 29 July 2014 15: 43
        +1
        Let's say the following: the DPR and LPR survived, created a union state, ousted ukrofashists to the border of their states
        In your post, the keyword is "acceptable".
        1. dyremar 66
          dyremar 66 29 July 2014 20: 44
          +1
          while we tryndor Novorossia dies
      3. leglun
        leglun 29 July 2014 15: 48
        +1
        Soon hear about Sumy Republic !!!
        1. Slavapom
          Slavapom 29 July 2014 16: 16
          +2
          I would like to hear and see.
          By and large, the creation of another hotbed of tension on the territory of Ukraine will simply finish off Ukraine as a state, forces and means, for military reconciliation of the next rebel region, Poroshenko and the company simply do not.
      4. alexv-d
        alexv-d 29 July 2014 16: 04
        +10
        Just in other areas there were no such leaders as in the DPR and LPR. In Novorossia itself, healthy men are sitting at home, by women's skirts. There is genocide, and they hope to sit out. And you have to make a choice ...
      5. _Alien_
        _Alien_ 29 July 2014 16: 05
        +3
        Quote: Slavapom
        I say right away that I do not consider myself to be "all-propals", as well as "zaputintsy", I try to collect more or less objective information about what is happening.
        The author of the text writes that as soon as the last rebel in Donetsk and Lugansk lay down his arms, right there, in Russia, a northern fur animal will come. Personally, I have some kind of misunderstanding of the idea that the author is trying to convey.
        Let's say the following: the DPR and LPR survived, created a union state, ousted ukrofashists to the border of their states, which in this situation will fundamentally change in the political and geopolitical sense for Russia. I remind you that the territory still called Ukraine consists of 2's dozens of regions, what will fundamentally change from the formation of the new state of New Russia?
        At the moment, the protest movement is not like there is no western or central regions of Ukraine, there are no protest movements in the south either Kharkov, Kherson, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa are sitting on the priest exactly, occasionally hooligan. For example, for all the time of hostilities there were only 2 TWO !!!!!! articles on sabotage at tank repair enterprises.
        So, in addition to the conclusions, it would not be bad for the author of the article to propose an option, or options for action, even if fantastic.


        For all the time events taking place, I observe the creation of a separate entity within the state who does not want to submit to the current regime. Yes, there were one time the replicas will separate, they will join, but everyone understands that while dill there will not be peace in Kiev. The task of dill is to unleash a local war with Russia, and this is under any circumstances a northern fur animal. Therefore, Novorosy hold the defense, exhaust the enemy, suffer losses. Calculation of time and losses from the enemy. Time is ruining the economy. Losses open the eyes of the local population.
        You see for yourself what is happening, but something else is happening.
      6. asadov
        asadov 29 July 2014 16: 43
        0
        The West and Center of Ukraine are silent of course - the summer is full of fruits and vegetables. Still stored past blanks. We wash in the river. But in the fall the op.
      7. Iskander Khan
        Iskander Khan 29 July 2014 19: 45
        0
        I do not think that the militia will stop at the borders of the DPR and LPR. Maybe not in the frontal. DRG for example.
        For example, the hype in the same areas of the declared New Russia in March-April was equal to Donetsk and Lugansk. Strelkov and Bezler just came to us. And also found home-grown Bolotov. While in other areas such people did not appear. For gas to catch fire, you need a spark. So it broke out with us. These areas are also ready to erupt. But without people like Strelkov, they won’t even go outside after Odessa, just as we would have dispersed in March-April. There will be fighting leaders, there will be militias.
    2. herruvim
      herruvim 29 July 2014 15: 18
      +13
      And that's it
    3. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 29 July 2014 15: 20
      +8
      Quote: dr.Bo
      However, as soon as the last militia has folded the machine gun, the other end of this joy will start shooting at us.


      Unfortunately, this is true. I am sure we will not hand over Novorossia under any sauce. Is there really war again? At least not calm times are clearly waiting for us. Society needs to rally before danger. Again, the Anglo-Saxons have prepared a pig for us. Something on their land is nothing it hasn’t happened for a long time, they live too quietly. Special services do not work well; we are still reaping the consequences of the 90s. The US must be destroyed, we must drip under the dollar.
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 29 July 2014 16: 36
      0
      In any case, Russia must be prepared for war with Ukraine, as its overseas owners have already decided on this war, leaving us no choice.
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    6. skobars
      skobars 29 July 2014 20: 42
      +1
      need to hold on and we hold on.
  2. mig31
    mig31 29 July 2014 14: 44
    +9
    And for what the junta is fighting!? So that there is no New Russia, and Novorossia is fighting so that fascism does not go further to the UK !!!!
  3. 75 hammer
    75 hammer 29 July 2014 14: 46
    +10
    USA must be destroyed !!!
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 29 July 2014 14: 53
      +7
      only the Lord God can destroy them, so call the Heavenly Chancellery with this cry of the soul ........ already annoying, through one comment this cry about Texas Carthage ........ there are many other ways to increase the rating except printing sloganslaughing
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 29 July 2014 15: 20
        +7
        Quote: strannik595
        . already annoying, through one comment this scream about Texas Carthage ......

        It’s clear to the author that the current policy of the Kremlin is to force the militia to force Kiev to peace, thereby not bringing relations with Europeans to a complete break. He probably prefers to force Kiev into the hands of Russians, which Obama and Kerry so eagerly await, who, without any conspiracy theories, were utterly frank in his speech (we read and watch here) The task of the States is 1. Destruction of the energy interdependence of Russians and Europeans. 2. A real increase in Europeans national military budgets and 3. Conclusion of a Free Trade Area Agreement (TTIP). In fact, the Americans are proposing to Europe and Japan to commit suicide again, similar to what happened in the 1914-1945 years, and which again will clear the place around the Americans on the geopolitical and geo-economic Olympus.
      2. arch_kate3
        arch_kate3 29 July 2014 15: 35
        +4
        But Carthage was still destroyed! We will call the heavenly office!
      3. Irokez
        Irokez 29 July 2014 15: 49
        +2
        Quote: strannik595
        only God can destroy them

        God is in heaven, and we are on earth. God is creating there, but we are doing things on earth. And if not us, then who will destroy them.
        We ourselves are creators on our Earth, and he gave us the right to choose, which is evident from the way we dispose on Earth.
        He sees everything, he knows everything, but the problem is that the majority do not know that they are doing and are doing things that are objectionable to God, deceived and incited by dark forces.
        Hope for God, but don’t be fooled. And until enlightenment or clarification comes from the deeds and remorse in the brain, this massacre and decline in all areas will continue.
        Knowledge is what people lack for wisdom and right actions, and instead of the true knowledge that they do not particularly disseminate in all the media, they instill and propagate anti-knowledge with the values ​​of the dark side. People began to react like animals to natural instincts, and their mind and mind are too lazy to develop because the imposed world of consumption is much more pleasant and easier to exist.
        So there is a struggle for Ukraine because it is the last bastion of a direct threat to Russia.
        1. 97110
          97110 29 July 2014 17: 56
          +3
          Quote: Irokez
          People began to react like animals to natural instincts, and their mind and mind are too lazy to develop because the imposed world of consumption is much more pleasant and easier to exist.

          Get a dog. You will not write nonsense about animals. Pavlov, damn it. Instincts. How so. If a dog scares you, a hedgehog, a snake, a parrot small - small ... You will be ashamed when you see what pure, disinterested love they can love the owner, ... And so on. I seriously ask you not to write nasty things about animals, they do not deserve comparisons with dill and US citizens.
    2. kostik1301
      kostik1301 29 July 2014 14: 58
      +2
      why it gets so tight, the United States, if they unleash World War 3, they cannot understand how, besides the continent, North America and the globe will cease to exist, and there will be nothing to do in dollars in the next world ...
      1. Predator
        Predator 29 July 2014 15: 35
        +3
        Quote: kostik1301
        why it gets so tight, the United States, if they unleash World War 3, they cannot understand how, besides the continent, North America and the globe will cease to exist, and there will be nothing to do in dollars in the next world ...

        And who is talking about a nuclear war ?! With the defeat of New Russia, we get a completely hostile state at our borders, and since it has economic seams, there remains a war with Russia. They will flee the Crimea to fight back. It’s easier to support the militias before the winter than to fight on their territory . They won’t leave us alone. And the whole west will be on the side of Ukraine. This will not change anything, since the Russian fascists will face muzzles, but there will also be consequences.
        1. vlad-58
          vlad-58 29 July 2014 20: 55
          +1
          read the Ukrainian press, watch their TV ... listen to the radio ... the internet too ... most (except for the South-East) are CONVINCED !!! that Ukraine is at war with Russia! They KNOW this for sure and see it every day! "... the truth is what is repeated three times!"
    3. Vik.Tor
      Vik.Tor 29 July 2014 15: 33
      +2
      USA must be destroyed !!!

      Once again they stuck their mantra, you write this phrase everywhere or something, I personally do not mind the meaning of the phrase, but there may be enough pluses to make money on stupid copying.
      1. 97110
        97110 29 July 2014 17: 59
        +1
        Quote: Vik.Tor
        there may be enough pros to earn on stupid copying

        Minus will earn cons. At the same time, it can be clarified that it is not against the text, against the author's cunning.
    4. Valexav
      Valexav 29 July 2014 17: 18
      0
      Of course this is the dream of the rest of the world. Unfortunately, unlikely.
    5. AQUARIUS 65
      AQUARIUS 65 29 July 2014 20: 12
      +2
      75 hammer
      USA must be destroyed !!!

      Zadolbali propaganda. In the next branch, the same slogan with an interval of 5 minutes and four comments. Not tired?
  4. strannik595
    strannik595 29 July 2014 14: 47
    0
    Yes, in the event of the discharge of New Russia, bloodshed will be stopped, and this is a definite plus and joy. However, as soon as the last militia has folded the machine gun, the other end of this joy will start shooting at us.
    ...... "All the same, my end is not the end, the end is someone's beginning" (V. Vysotsky) ....... will have to burn the other end so that the infection does not spread throughout the body and body didn't give up
  5. Rayden
    Rayden 29 July 2014 14: 47
    +6
    I would go up to a high hill, pick up a weapon, put it on the ground and shouted: “Brothers, that's it! We stop shooting. Stop you too. Let's sit, talk ...
    Residents of the South-East tried to talk with them from the beginning of the conflict, nobody began to listen to them, they just wanted to federalize
    Basilashvili ala Makarevich
    1. Sibom
      Sibom 29 July 2014 15: 35
      +5
      And what to expect from a Georgian Jew, SHOOT WHERE they eat. After "The Master and Margarita" he imagines himself to be GOD. And how Makarevich and the rest of the Jews showed WHO is WHO!
  6. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 29 July 2014 14: 48
    +9
    The end of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics is the end of Russia's relatively peaceful and relatively calm life.
    1. Leviton
      Leviton 29 July 2014 17: 55
      -1
      Yes, there will be no end there .... There is either the fulfillment of all the conditions of the novoros or a protracted guerrilla war for decades (the population’s weapons are higher than the roof) with all the ensuing consequences:
      1. US shale gas will not be profitable to produce there. too much money will have to be spent on guarding facilities and you won’t name a competitive price in this regard (and if you take into account the contracts for the north and south flow ...) the only one to trade at a loss to capture the market but the US will not last long (they have an economy bursting at the seams.)
      2. The withdrawal of Ukrainian troops and the National Guard is also in doubt. not all missions are completed and rebellious areas are not subordinate.
      3. Labor - few will agree to go to a ruined region without housing and security (and ukrov has no money in the treasury) for restoration, work at enterprises that were (75% of which must be restored first), work on laying a gas transmission system from shale deposits (they still haven’t forgotten about the partisans)
      etc.........
  7. Fast
    Fast 29 July 2014 14: 49
    +2
    The militias will not be crushed, there is no such force when Moscow, Peter, Sevastopol and all of Russia are behind them, the assumption is not substantiated.
    1. Tambov
      Tambov 30 July 2014 04: 24
      0
      Quick SU Yesterday, 14:49 New

      The militias will not be crushed, there is no such force when Moscow, Peter, Sevastopol and all of Russia are behind them, the assumption is not substantiated.


      If only not so fast, Fast!
      Behind them there is not a single Moscow, not a single Russia, not a single Putin.
      And they continue to die for this betrayal. Because of selfish collective and individual babloids:
      RosNeft; Gazprom Setchin-metchin; Roshen-parasin; abramovich-kalomoichi .... oh guys, how many creatures got divorced!
      And Kurginyan on a white donkey!
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 July 2014 14: 50
    +8
    Basilashvili "In the place of the rebels, I would go to a high hill, take a weapon in my hands, put it on the ground and shout:" Brothers, that's it! We stop shooting. Stop you too. Let's sit down and talk ... ".

    One can say one thing about this, the so-called liberal intelligentsia is rot, which is well established in Russia, makes money in Russia and crap in the country that gave them everything.
    Well, Basilashvili, he scored on 08.08.08g.
    1. Good cat
      Good cat 29 July 2014 15: 02
      +4
      Basilashvili "In the place of the rebels, I would go to a high hill, take a weapon in my hands, put it on the ground and shout:" Brothers, that's it! We stop shooting. Stop you too. Let's sit down and talk ... ".
      and would get a bullet in the forehead !!!
      1. 97110
        97110 29 July 2014 18: 03
        +1
        Quote: Good cat
        and would get a bullet in the forehead !!!

        Before the mouth opened.
    2. vlad-58
      vlad-58 29 July 2014 20: 59
      0
      ... went out onto the hill ... took a better position ... target for a sniper ... and a landmark-bearing pole for a mortar ...
  9. Signal
    Signal 29 July 2014 14: 54
    +1
    The situation continues to deteriorate for the militia.
    Plus the ass with Moldova and PMR is on the way. Further more.
    1. Anper
      Anper 29 July 2014 16: 19
      +1
      Quote: Signal
      The situation continues to deteriorate for the militia.

      In my opinion, the situation continues to deteriorate on the other hand - the hryvnia is falling catastrophically: this morning the euro - 15,98, the dollar - 11,95. Now I go in - my dear mom - the euro is 16,1, the dollar is 11,98, in half a day ! Ruble - per day from 0,34 to 0,33.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 29 July 2014 19: 28
        0
        Quote: Anper
        dollar - 11,98, for half a day

        Bank of Russia (Odessa) for 11 90.
        The price varies from 11 90 to 12-05 ... so that "catastrophically" it falls 3 kopecks there three kopecks back ...
        But in fact - there was a time when catastrophically almost to 15-16 UAH per dollar. So what .. stabilized.
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 29 July 2014 16: 36
      +2
      Do you see the balance of power? I am. And so the militia is fighting quite competently.
  10. Papania
    Papania 29 July 2014 14: 54
    0
    I agree with the author! It will be so!
  11. mihasik
    mihasik 29 July 2014 14: 55
    +1
    However, as soon as the last militia has folded the machine gun, the other end of this joy will start shooting at us.

    Exactly! Only the Russians at the genetic level probably laid down to fight on their territory. But when it’s already boring and everything is destroyed, we’re going to fight against strangers.
  12. Associate Professor
    Associate Professor 29 July 2014 14: 56
    +3
    Reminder text? Isn't there a lot of "reminders" on the site? The same thing every day
    1. sub307
      sub307 29 July 2014 16: 40
      0
      It is necessary, very necessary ..., however, no matter how much you say "sugar" - it will not become "sweeter".
  13. Yellow white
    Yellow white 29 July 2014 14: 57
    +3
    We are next, it is vitally important to defend Novorossia, it is also necessary to "organize" the third or seventh Maidan, with the aim of establishing a pro-Russian government.
  14. Lyton
    Lyton 29 July 2014 14: 59
    0
    All this is understandable and I think not only for those reading VO.
  15. Vitalka
    Vitalka 29 July 2014 14: 59
    0
    Dill, Bandera, Nazis called for peace when they tried to stop tanks with their hands. At first it worked, and then the battalions "Donbass" and other bicolor mra.z were involved. If people like Basilashvili and Makarevich do not understand THIS, then ... (let them move after their own toad Novodvorskaya - a parasite, which has done nothing good in this life). Fortunately, I am sure there are few of them in Russia.
  16. spec.78
    spec.78 29 July 2014 14: 59
    +3
    The article is a big "+", otherwise some really began to forget about where it started and what it threatens. many now and about Odessa will not remember and so on.

    US must be destroyed
  17. PeaceByForce
    PeaceByForce 29 July 2014 15: 00
    +2
    Operational information from Rubezhnoye: National Guard open the garages, take away all the cars that they like. All empty apartments are also opened, described, plan to populate Svidomo. Today, those who were hatskrayniki 4 months ago are ready to tear the bander with their bare hands.
  18. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 29 July 2014 15: 01
    +8
    Anyone who thinks that Donbass is somewhere far away and therefore "hi yourself" is simply stupid.
    But anyone who believes that only weapons win the war is no less stupid.
    In any war, the rear is very important and therefore:
    1) It is urgent to evacuate 100% of Donbass schoolchildren - on September 1, not far off, and schools in ruins - not a single force of 1000 schools will immediately recover.
    2) It is more comfortable for any normal peasant to fight, knowing that his child is studying in safety.
    3) All women with children also urgently need to go to Russia - even for logistical reasons, it is easier to dress and feed here - the more wagons to drive under fire and burn fuel.
    4) Given the very big problems with infrastructure - without a genie from a fairy tale, it cannot be stopped at one point. Therefore, the population that is excessive for holding a successful military company must be urgently asked to leave for Russia.
    Even if tomorrow our tanks liberate the Donbass, it will take years to restore the infrastructure, the Nazis already ransacked everything.
    Let's be realistic.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 29 July 2014 16: 40
      -1
      1) It is urgent to evacuate 100% of Donbass schoolchildren - on September 1, not far off, and schools in ruins - not a single force of 1000 schools will immediately recover.

      the idea is certainly noble but
      1 where does he study
      2 Who will teach them
      3 For what programs.
      2) It is more comfortable for any normal peasant to fight, knowing that his child is studying in safety.

      Sure, but 2/3 of the men are ticking to Russia and the center of Ukraine.
      Let's be realistic.

      And do we really need the Donbass in this form? The most important thing is frames. And they are coming to us.
  19. B.G.-54
    B.G.-54 29 July 2014 15: 01
    +1
    It is very strange that there are people who do not understand the confrontation in eastern Ukraine.
    It is strange that in this case there are many so-called intellectuals, how many are purebred among them. They do not even think that with the victory of the banderlogs, our country will still have to fight, to defend our country.
  20. EvilLion
    EvilLion 29 July 2014 15: 02
    +4
    Again, all these funny tales about what will happen. Yes, it is already everything, 23 of the year was born. The war on Durkain does not pose an objective threat to the Russian Federation, regardless of its result, anyway, any NATO invasion army can be burned in a nuclear fire, and Durkain will jump this winter so as not to freeze. At the same time, in any case, we got stuck with Durkaina for the coming years, simply because no one else will solve her problems, and the population will not disappear at once. The defeat of New Russia for the Russian Federation from the point of view of threats, in principle, is only an image loss, Ukrainians can gaze at the Kuban and Crimea as much as they like, but they have no and will not have a chance to fight with Russia. Now Durkain, as someone correctly noted, behaves like a slap in the face, or something even more serious than a woman, so that later she could run through the courts. Wait, the nuclear power plants will explode soon, or the ammonia pipeline. Or something else. Just because the Ukrainians sincerely believe that in this way they will show Europe the malignancy of the damned to her.

    There is clearly assistance to the militias from the Russian Federation, valuable anti-tank weapons, and specialists. But nobody will advertise all this. In general, the Kremlin knows better when to supply quietly, and when to switch to airstrikes, or invasion. At the same time, mobilization has not yet been announced in Novorossia, although having taken civil power, the comrades there may be obliged to do so, otherwise it would have been a referendum to start a referendum altogether; in power, inevitable.
  21. zzz
    zzz 29 July 2014 15: 04
    +2
    We will not discuss this particular Basilashvili here, but this interview and these words are very significant. So thinks a huge number of people. Well, try to ask your friends this question: “What is the militia fighting for?” Shrug their shoulders.

    What kind of garbage is such a thing written? !! I am in indignation all! None of my acquaintances would SAY ANYTHING and certainly would not shrug! I am NOT ACQUAINTED with people who would not understand what is happening in Ukraine now. There are NO such people among the Russians. NO !!!! I respected Basilashvili, unfortunately, and many others from the beau monde, and now I have stopped ... Jurmala once again confirmed that these patriots are not patriots to us ....
    1. alex_rus
      alex_rus 29 July 2014 15: 33
      +3
      Unfortunately, we are losing on the information field not only in the West, but also at home ... In the foreign media, they do not hesitate to hammer on the reader with cliches like "good" - "bad", for example, the phrase "events in Ukraine" is always accompanied by the term "Russian separatists". And our media appeal to reason, focus on nuances, etc.
    2. vlad-58
      vlad-58 29 July 2014 21: 05
      0
      not for anything, but AGAINST what ...
  22. MSA
    MSA 29 July 2014 15: 04
    -1
    It's time to make the "Washington" Strait in the Western Hemisphere.
  23. demel2
    demel2 29 July 2014 15: 06
    +3
    Absolutely true article, for all those who do not understand, and for those Makarevichs and others like him who do not want to understand, for whom the hunchback is the best president, who simply had no luck with the people. Although you can’t get this pirate bunker.
  24. Venier
    Venier 29 July 2014 15: 08
    +3
    Here is the standard of independent thinking, despising knowledge, people's artist of the USSR Oleg Basilashvili,
    This is the standard of five-column thinking.
    In the place of the rebels, I would go up to a high hill, pick up a weapon, put it on the ground and shouted: “Brothers, that's it! We stop shooting. Stop you too. Let's sit down, talk ... "
    It’s interesting, but the Hitlerites were 41 yards, you would also be screaming brothers! And let's sit down, talk, maybe we can drink some schnapps and a bite too. It's just shocked! How many potential traitors we have among the artists. Fu! Feeling of slimy rubbish.
  25. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 29 July 2014 15: 10
    0
    After the surrender of New Russia and the defeat of the militias, the new Ukraine, led by the oligarch president, turns into a new anti-Russia, hypertrophied in all directions, in a day.

    It will be 100% so .. they will not live in peace (they have already been verified in 23 years). The question is what to do and how to be ..? (over again, our border guards fired ..)
    Enter cannot be entered.! (where to put a comma? Putin’s thoughts ..)
  26. Loner_53
    Loner_53 29 July 2014 15: 11
    +1
    So the gannyns climbed chickens and different shvili am
  27. Signal
    Signal 29 July 2014 15: 18
    +2
    By Saur-Tomb Poroshenko passed back.

    "News about the capture of Saur-Mogila disappeared from Poroshenko's website"

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1406632079
  28. Lukerya Weaver
    Lukerya Weaver 29 July 2014 15: 19
    +2
    Let's not lose heart. “Thus, the attempts of the Kiev troops to attack were repelled in all directions without exception. Moreover, in a number of cases the militia managed to undertake successful counterattacks by the attacking groups, causing them significant damage.
    The current situation can be described as the point of the highest tension of forces. Which in the battle occurs when one of the parties has already thrown everything on the scales, and all the reserves have been used up. And if at the same time it is not possible to achieve decisive success, then such an operation will inevitably end in defeat.

    Kiev's capabilities have practically dried up, and at the present time it is not able to introduce into the battle any new forces and means, except those that have already been introduced. And the militia still has considerable reserves. Massive artillery and airstrikes on residential buildings that were not hidden in any way did not bring success and the militia did not break. "- This is today's commentary by a military expert.
  29. alex_rus
    alex_rus 29 July 2014 15: 22
    0
    Of course, you need to remind them. And not only on this site. We must not forget that such reminders are an element of propaganda. The reader should structure the events: "bad" - "good", "stranger" - "own" ....
  30. Signal
    Signal 29 July 2014 15: 23
    0
    It's a shame that some of our news media holdings picked up this information. (according to Saur-Mogila). And replicated. Our people listened to all this and asked again - "Well, how? Well, what is there?"
    So much for the info war.
  31. Azovian
    Azovian 29 July 2014 15: 25
    -1
    Somewhat exaggerated, but real. Russia as a Jewish merchant. Only gas sales are on my mind. Even oil faded into the background. Churchill was right: he who chooses between shame and war will receive both war and shame. No one even called Russia to fight in Novorossiya. Aid "humanitarian" is enough, in sufficient quantity. But not in the residual. Traders, damn it ...
    1. death door
      death door 29 July 2014 15: 36
      +1
      But actually, why should we help you? Just because you so wanted? Well, but what did YOU do to get this help, for what merits?
      I agree if they invite the militias to serve with all the privileges in Russia, they are really brave wars, and why are the rest worthy of something?
    2. Anper
      Anper 29 July 2014 17: 05
      0
      Quote: Azovets
      Somewhat exaggerated, but real.

      Of course, yes. However, a year ago, Syria, Iraq, Libya also seemed real, but somewhat exaggerated. And after this video something about the exaggerated hand does not rise to write.
      The great Caliphate in Iraq is imposing new orders with putting their ideas into their heads by AK and M-16.Very 18+
      1. BCO 82-84
        BCO 82-84 29 July 2014 23: 35
        0
        ORDINARY FASCISM !!!! It's like Romm’s movie!
    3. 97110
      97110 29 July 2014 18: 14
      0
      Quote: Azovets
      Traders, damn it ...

      And the inhabitants of the Azov region are unmercenaries, damn it. He himself did not shout: "Mos-kal-and mustache zyily!"? The Yusovites will show you who the hucksters are, and how you should behave when you see him African-American bourgeoisie. You will bite your elbows, and you will have chlorine cottage cheese. And there will be NO freebies !.
    4. Spike
      Spike 29 July 2014 23: 13
      0
      And Ukraine, engaged in real prostitution ...
  32. death door
    death door 29 July 2014 15: 29
    +5
    Novorossia is poured out and surrendered by its inhabitants, who sit out anywhere, and do not defend their independence with arms in hand. So it is not necessary to drive to Russia that we are "merging" someone there. Of all the millions of inhabitants of the region, a couple of tens of thousands are fighting, plus volunteers from OTHER countries.
  33. Luga
    Luga 29 July 2014 15: 34
    +6
    I put a plus article. In general, everything is correctly stated, I especially liked the ending, where about the pshek.
    According to the plan of the mattress makers, eight million people will remain on the territory of Ukraine, whose main occupation will be to spit in the direction of Russia, build and maintain their military bases, work in mines, in quarries, breathing shale gas, bury radioactive garbage and take pictures for "National Geographic" in harem pants , in kosovorotoks with a pitchfork in their hands, showing rotten teeth in a smile ...
    Science, culture, history for Ukraine will become a distant and unattainable past.
    And along the border with Russia, military bases, observation and tracking stations will be located, all sorts of "avaks" and similar rubbish will fly. And the eternal stench from the other side to us, for in their hatred they are already ready to shit in their garden, if the wind is in our direction.
    The victory of the militia will give others a reason to think, especially in light of the impending humanitarian catastrophe in the entire territory of Ukraine. If Little Russia has both gas and food, as well as factories, work and the prospect that everything will continue like this, those who are keeping quiet now will start to raise their heads and wonder if they galloped in vain, is it better to be "mos.calm" ?
    So for Ukraine, the destruction of militias is a matter of life. And for this the junta will fight without sparing anything and nobody.
  34. Password
    Password 29 July 2014 15: 36
    +1
    Events in Ukraine are, in essence, the US struggle for world domination. They need resources, territories, obedient puppet rulers for their own prosperity. This is the nature of capitalism.

    The Soviet Union was collapsed largely thanks to the efforts of the United States, both from the outside and from the inside. They invested $ 5 billion in the Ukrainian project, and for two decades they nurtured the soil. Now they want to reap the benefits.

    Russia’s appearance of NATO’s front line on its border, a warlike neighbor with a claim to return Crimea, the possibility of losing its monopoly role in exporting gas to Europe with the loss of a significant part of oil and gas revenues can hardly suit. This is tantamount to losing the secret confrontation with the United States and worsening the situation in the country.

    But, on the other hand, the pressure from the US and the EU, sanctions, which are significantly hitting the pockets of Russian oligarchs in the first place, so far, although over time this may affect all citizens, the threat of the loss of "honestly acquired" by the Russian elite, etc. makes the situation ambiguous.

    I think this largely determines the vague attitude of the Russian leadership to the Novorossiya project - it seems like you want and need to, but it also pricks. And what comes out of when, excuse the rough comparison, are "vraskoryaku" - you understand.
  35. Dejavu
    Dejavu 29 July 2014 15: 39
    +4
    I'm interested in something else. If there was no war at all and the east would immediately fall under the oligarchs and Ukrostan would have signed the association back then, right away. Russia would immediately close the customs office and say "buy bye" to any bacon and other Ukrainian goods. Nobody would allow them to sell their "good" to the EU, Russia is closed. What to do then? That is, this whole kitchen with the Maidan was originally aimed at destroying Ukraine as such. The war, oddly enough, is the only thing that keeps them afloat now. Paradox.
  36. kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 29 July 2014 15: 54
    0
    Quote: subbtin.725
    Quote: dr.Bo
    However, as soon as the last militia has folded the machine gun, the other end of this joy will start shooting at us.


    Unfortunately, this is true. I am sure we will not hand over Novorossia under any sauce. Is there really war again? At least not calm times are clearly waiting for us. Society needs to rally before danger. Again, the Anglo-Saxons have prepared a pig for us. Something on their land is nothing it hasn’t happened for a long time, they live too quietly. Special services do not work well; we are still reaping the consequences of the 90s. The US must be destroyed, we must drip under the dollar.

    and England, too, to send to the bottom urgently ... tihushniki still those as soon as this happens the rest of Europe will be immediately converted, and thanks we will say that we got rid of these states so to speak
  37. ask
    ask 29 July 2014 15: 58
    +1
    Unfortunately, not all residents of New Russia are interested in this. Most just want to go where the bed is softer.
  38. komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 29 July 2014 15: 58
    -1
    It will significantly cool the dust of the PIDO into an atmospheric-tectonic natural cataclysm with massive destruction. When the natural retribution of the p.i.n.d.so.s.a.m. will be "indicated" for acts for several centuries. This "retribution" is already moving '
  39. chaldon
    chaldon 29 July 2014 16: 01
    -2
    Maybe it’s enough to save the Ussuri tigers, snow leopards, Siberian Cranes, etc. and begin to save people in the South-East of Ukraine, whom we publicly announced as our brothers and whom we promised not to leave in trouble !? It is somehow foul for the soul when listening to exercises in the graceful literature of our politicians and diplomats, calls for war criminals to comply with laws and universal norms of morality. Swords beads in front of the pigs, and they in response, grinning obscenely, continue to kill, burn, destroy. Maybe, all the same, stop deceiving yourself with hopes that, for criminals who have gone crazy with impunity, insight and repentance will come down, and they will be ashamed of what they did ?! I am convinced that insight on them can come off only in one single case, when they receive a worthy rebuff and they feel in their own skin that further robbery is extremely dangerous for their own skin ?! Or our Armed Forces are so ruined, plundered, plundered that we can only bluff, threaten to shake the air with large-scale exercises and even more loud statements. We no longer listen, we don’t want to listen and do not pay any attention to our statements, so how real actions should not be followed. If we believe that we are right, the truth is on our side, then it may already be openly and directly to take real action to confirm this truth ?!
  40. vsoltan
    vsoltan 29 July 2014 16: 04
    +1
    Quote: Hammer 75
    Hammer 75 (1)
    USA must be destroyed !!!

    Why destroyed? Weakened by the most I can’t ... have you ever seen a person agonizing? I do not consider it necessary to destroy, to put - for a long time - at the parashka ... Yes! Even the world JAV will be done while gasping ... and even according to the quietest option - the process cannot go quickly, how many WORLD economies will suffer ... it is necessary to stifle slowly and slowly, but inevitably ... and pseudo-patriotic cries of "Must be destroyed" - well, to put it mildly, do not testify in your favor
  41. Lukerya Weaver
    Lukerya Weaver 29 July 2014 16: 04
    +3
    In mid-May of this year, Polismi had an article by Sokol entitled "Looking into the distance: who will have to pay for Ukraine 2?" Quite a remarkable article. So far, everything that is happening in Ukraine confirms the conclusions. "any successor states to the original Ukraine will need HUGE amounts of foreign financial assistance ... if you were in the EU or Russia, would you want to take responsibility for more or less of this territory? Let's assume that Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev and other cities and regions stopped protests or resistance.All that Russia would do would be to turn the gas valve (unless it was paid in advance), stock up on popcorn and beer and look at messages from Ukraine. what happened?

    Complete and absolute chaos ... Either the US / EU agrees to incur huge expenses that seriously undermine their economies (which they cannot afford), or ...

    The EU and the US are starting an ugly fight over “who pays and on what terms”, and ...

    The EU receives a series of upheavals as a result of Ukrainian chaos (illegal immigration, crime, political disputes), and ...

    NATO will be considered either an ineffective / incompetent / useless alliance at best and reckless and irresponsible at worst.

    So, in any case, the Anglo-Zionist Empire will feel the enormous consequences of its insane undertaking - to allow a huge country like Ukraine to explode right in the middle of the European continent ... In the event that Ukraine is formed, more does not mean better, more is worse, and less is better . The less Russia will have to spend and pay for the restoration of Ukraine, the better for Russia. From the EU point of view, on the contrary, the more Russia seizes from Ukraine, the better for the EU. This is better from the American point of view, because the US opinion - the more the US / EU “owns” Ukraine, the more they will have to pay for it and the more the transatlantic alliance gets stressed. So, paradoxically, but in the interests of the United States to force Russia to seize Ukraine. Sounds wild? Maybe, but still it is a fact.

    So, here's the truth: Ukraine is not a prize at all, it is a heavy burden. "
  42. DPZ
    DPZ 29 July 2014 16: 21
    +1
    I don't believe we're next. I do not believe that Ukrainians will risk a rocker at us. I do not believe that there will be any in the world who will dare to do this. given our nuclear weapons. it will be "game over" to the whole world
    And I think Novorossiya should be supported not because we are afraid if it is crushed - they will creep on us, but because we must help a friendly neighbor who needs help. just human. he is weak, he is tormented by an evil monster-maniac and we simply have to stand up for him. if we cannot for some reason, then we must stretch out a crowbar-club so that he himself can defeat the enemy. and we have clubs! and we don't need them yet. and another reason to help this neighbor: the memory of the ancestors who died in the war against fascism. they gave their health and lives without sparing themselves, and now we allow the scum of unmowed ancestors to stand up to their full height and do their vile deed. Why then did the grandfathers give their lives? comes out in vain? I had to surrender then !? unfinished fascists spit on grandfather's graves in memory of them, they spread rot on veterans, they tear off St. George's ribbons and for them "humiliate and offend", this is sacrilege and blasphemy. it must be stopped!
  43. comm
    comm 29 July 2014 16: 38
    +1
    The powder has nowhere to retreat. If he does not break New Russia, then he will be merged, either his own or overseas. Uncle is cornered and will drive cannon fodder to the east while Ukraine allows him to do this. So the matter is not for Poroshenko, but for Ukraine.
    1. Anper
      Anper 29 July 2014 16: 58
      0
      Quote: comm
      Powder has nowhere to retreat

      Open in a new tab.
  44. Tomsoer
    Tomsoer 29 July 2014 16: 52
    +2
    Wow, I read how cool we are ... am

    Nuclear blank is cool, but it's time, then, to spread the instructions for digging shelter slots feel Its illustration and clear sequence are outlined in engineering training textbooks. soldier

    It is difficult to trample on us, but it is possible ... Only the size of the country saves us, so this will not be a war for 2-3 years. (it's even worse than a bomb)

    Ukraine is a burden ... and a burden, it became such in the late 80s to this day. (only in her pants got waste)

    The level of patriotism rolls over according to the statistics of opinion polls, but it rolls over because polls were conducted among a low-level stratum of the population (this is an opinion, like a military sociologist). Take weapons and go to war not to run away from the kefir (this opinion is already like an UCP officer). People who are familiar with our Armed Forces from the inside understand that we can fight for a long time, but it will not be easy.

    We have nowhere to run crying For how everything turns out to be unknown, it remains to speculate and hope.

    The West is oh ... l, and this is a fact, the West also understands all this, but since they do not notice it significantly, it means something is hidden behind it and this is hardly a pleasant surprise for our country.

    And the slogans: "Hana psi.n.dos.m., crush America" ​​- this is probably from a lack of words. (I don't want to offend anyone)
  45. liberty
    liberty 29 July 2014 17: 03
    +1
    Help with weapons if you do not want to be crushed.
  46. crack
    crack 29 July 2014 17: 55
    +6
    Quote: Lukerya Weaver
    So, here is the truth: Ukraine is not a prize at all, it is a heavy burden.

    No, gentlemen, no matter how this war ends, it will be a multiplication of Ukrainian problems that Kiev will have to somehow solve, somehow build relations. Neither the Americans nor the EU sheep will decide and regulate ANYTHING for them. Themselves, yourself ... Do not want to decide and rebuild - well, tomorrow Kharkov and Zaporozhye will explode, again Donetsk and Lugansk (old yeast), Volyn and Rivne, etc. Because people need to live, you devoured the Soviet legacy (and even popped it out), you didn’t create anything new (all about the European elections were mried), but they don’t take it to the EU. It is necessary to help the DNR and the LC with what we can help. It is necessary to accept refugees, though millions. What, what, it costs money? And war is that, a free application, that di. War is the biggest money in public life. Refugees (especially Ukrainian ones), in 5-10 years they will become citizens and begin to live normally, pay taxes, in general - (cynically) will pay off. But war - never pays off for us. This is a war among Americans, a profitable event, thank God, we haven’t learned it yet .. Only naive people can think that the problems with Ukraine will end in the next 10 years. Regardless of whether troops will be introduced or not. The ideology and mentality of the inhabitants of Ukraine can not be redone in a year.
    This will be our pain and suffering for at least another 50 years, or even more. And it's not a fact that the introduction of troops will work better than the independent fall of Ukraine into the economic and political abyss. I fully admit that the junta will crush the DPR and LPR with military force. The morning comes after the victory and ... the worst morning for the winner in such wars. Ruined cities. Unfriendly population. Broken infrastructure. The masses of the wounded and disabled. Stopped enterprises. Mass unemployment. And not a single problem that you wanted to (somehow) solve with your fucking Euromaidan has not been solved, but a million problems have been added. And there is no one to blame. Well, there weren't any Russian troops. You can say "sugar-sugar" a million times, but it won't get sweeter.
    And what to do? With the same unfriendly population? Let's start relocating to remote rural areas? What are these in the conditions of Ukraine? Any resettlement costs a lot of money. When they resettled the Chechen-Ingush, they resettled less than half a million, when they resettled the Crimean Tatars, they resettled two hundred thousand, but all this is still hiccupped, and here - seven million, not to mention other problems, where is the money? Will we erect an iron wall with Russia and sever relations? Excellent! And with Belarus? And we will break with Kazakhstan? And with Armenia? These are all CU countries, and in the near future, the EAC. And who will remain by your side - Poles, Romanians and Moldovans? Yes, the eastern voivodeships of Poland are already moaning from the Volhynians and Galicians, who "come in large numbers here", not to mention the classic "well, son, did your Poles help you?"
    1. Leviton
      Leviton 29 July 2014 18: 17
      0
      but with this I completely agree !!!! in this mess, it will be and we must try to maintain neutrality for as long as possible so that no one could later say that it was not our choice that the Russians imposed it on us, we didn’t want that at all ... but winners in any situation in this war everyone will not lose
      And it’s important to play by the rules that are enshrined in the international community (about 2 standards, etc. don’t say I know it myself). Free will? well, freedom of choice, we'll see. It has already been said that the truth is not in force but the truth. And the answer to meanness-meanness is the lot of the weak, no matter what slogans it disguised. We must live in honor and conscience as our ancestors advised us. But how not to legally twist Ukraine another state ... with all the ensuing consequences ....
  47. Alexander, M
    Alexander, M 29 July 2014 18: 31
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    Oh ross! O generous kind!

    O hard stone chest!

    O giant, obedient to the king! ..

    ........................ ..

    O blood of the Slavs! the son of the glorious ancestors,

    Indestructible colossus

    Who in majesty has no equal,

    Halfway around the world Ross
  48. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 29 July 2014 18: 44
    +1
    Brothers, don’t press on the corn! We have two city morons in St. Petersburg who are ashamed of the Fatherland. This is Ksenia Sobchak (not mentioned by night) and the always stinking basilashvili. Ugh! fool
  49. Evilcat
    Evilcat 29 July 2014 18: 57
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    And yet this new Poland will very much want to take away our peninsula in the Black Sea, which has gone to it in a bureaucratic manner when there was still no difference between it and us. She will also be very eager to lie under our strategic adversary the United States, making him any concessions at the expense of any benefits. And we cried all the established gas exports to Europe, the trade-offs built over the years, trade relations, draft treaties, economic stability, guarantees and prosperity, which today is hampered by the division of children with machine guns at our borders.


    I don’t even know how to put it mildly. First, Crimea, then under the States, then the global destruction of contracts and trade agreements with Europe. No more, no less? And will it work out? Why then strain with New Russia? They would take it and do it right away.
  50. Ahil
    Ahil 29 July 2014 19: 15
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    I agree with the author. Fair.