Betrayal or a setup?

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Betrayal or a setup?


The article was conceived by me a long time ago as an answer to all the following questions: the Ukrainians themselves must figure out why not everyone is in the militia, Russia has nothing to do with it.

About me: in the militia (then self-defense) from March 3. So call me "divan" will not work. Immediately I say that I am giving first-hand opinion - and not only my own, but all civilians and militias living around me. For their sake, for the sake of truth. I did not participate in the battles, because not that there is no combat experience, but I did not even serve in the army. Such tried to fight not to send.

Anticipating the inevitable attacks on my age and mental abilities, I note: thirty-five years, the highest mountain, not a fool.

How it all began 3 March, and in some places fourth or fifth, in all the settlements of the Luhansk region and the Donetsk part of the population held meetings on the organization of self-defense units. The tasks were set minimal, there is no trust of the police, to prevent possible vandalism and provocations. There were no demands on federalism or secession on the agenda. They collected a bit of legal iron, assigned a queue and points of duty. The initiator of the meetings in Luhansk were local branches of the Cossacks (IC ATS). It was decided not to compile the lists, only those responsible for the quick collection were appointed. Those in charge had only the telephone numbers of their people. Also present were representatives of the Kharkov "Oplota", who recorded interested persons in the group for going to rallies in Kharkov and Donetsk.

After the occupation of Lugansk SBU and RSA began to slowly organize checkpoints, weapon only yours After the announcement of the mobilization, we held meetings, in which we already made lists of volunteers, we got 210 fighters, this is almost the entire male population of our village, broke up into platoons and branches, appointed commanders from among the veterans of the Afghans and special forces there. The commander in chief was our centurion IC ATS.

Before this, 3 in May Cossacks entered Anthracite, it was written in Wiki that two trucks entered, and Kozitsyn was among them, it was not so, on May 2 five KamAZ trucks with armed men passed through the border and entered Anthracite, settled in the military office. Two cars came the next day.

Our centurion with a delegation having OBD 6 May went to Anthracite for instructions and weapons, and we thought, everything, tomorrow for the war, said goodbye to the families.

According to the stories, tons of weapons were handed out in Anthracite to everyone, in reality the rebels brought four machine guns, two RPKs, two RPG-26s and one RPG-7s. For 210 people. They ordered us to organize a checkpoint at home, well, they thought, they know better. We chose a good place along the Kharkov - Rostov highway with reliable escape routes, drove a loader, crane, excavator. They did everything wisely. I immediately got stuck with questions: AK - this, of course, is good, but where is the large caliber? From the very beginning, I did not have all this common euphoria; I did not experience any illusions about the combat effectiveness of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. My tales of thousands tanks and artillery was perceived as a betrayal, for standing with a machine gun, they fought, played with machine guns like small children.

Now to the point. For all this time, no one else gave anything, we were not collected or sent anywhere. The organization was absent as such; at the end of May, an urgent collection was announced by midnight. Have appeared. They took away the 43 man, drove him, ten days later they all came back. They were simply placed with a minimum of weapons at distant checkpoints, often stupidly located and unfortified. A lot of commanders, each his own, all - the citizens of the Russian Federation. After the rotation, no one returned. After the aggravation of the situation, all the same, orders from Kozitsyn were sent, those who had an army went. They returned terribly frightened, one remained the only survivor from the platoon, immediately filed a report and passed the form and weapons. There is nothing to fight stupidly, the Nazis have artillery, a mass of armored vehicles and an endless BP, while they got one Grad with fifteen shells. Two tank crews of ours were assembled, one had a wedge tower and a gun in the vertical, in the second a non-operational MV and stabilizer malfunctions. After the first battle also filed reports.

So, it was the Russian government that provoked the transition of resistance to the armed stage, no one will convince me that the Cossacks bought weapons at the Voentorg and freely transported across the border of the Russian Federation. By the way, it was through them that thin trickle of weapon went, and they were engaged in its distribution.

Why for a long time it was just a thin stream of small arms and a bit of individual anti-tank weapons? Why not a huge flow? Why was there no effective and inexpensive portable weapon?

There is such a wonderful thing - 2B11, I literally saw him in my dreams, balled ataman, talking about the tactics of his use, but I never saw them. Where are the hundreds of recoilless guns, why did Strelkov have only two LNG-9, and not twenty, and why only LNG, and not much more efficient B-11? Mortars of 120 caliber could decide the fate of Slavyansk, if they were at Strelkov in sufficient quantities at the very beginning of the Slavic seat. The Nazis would never have been able to consolidate on Karachun. Is it a pity? Well, that can't be right. That is why I brought the question about the setup in the title.

Arms shipments were conducted situationally, before the onset of the Nazis, a rifle ran occasionally, after a large caliber went, but again only in the amount “to maintain the pants”. Technically, it was possible to deliver trains, the border was fully open for almost three months, it was possible to transport the ICBM at least by filling it with sand in wagons. Instead, all decisions were made in the pig trail, as my grandmother says. Tens of thousands of people sat at home and at checkpoints uselessly, having one machine for thirty people, they were all ready for battle, if from the very beginning we had the weapon that we are panicked shoved now, then the Nazis would not have a single a chance.

The number of people who wanted to go into battle, decreased with each success of the Nazis, and now has passed into the negative stage, people are running. Who will explain to me, after all he was carried all the same, now the time for secrets is over, the armored personnel carrier, infantry fighting vehicle, “Grad” are transported in the back of heavy trucks, covered with a tarpaulin, including across the border. So why was this not done before and in sufficient quantities? I do not see any other reason for this, except that the Russian government was not interested in our victory.

For a month, I thought that this was one of the signs of an early entry of Russian troops to the Donbass, I thought that Putin did not want just our victory on his own, so that he wouldn’t arrogate and change his mind to enter Russia. Was it also a pity to transport a couple of hundred D-30 and a hundred tons of power supply units for them, and do not tell me about satellites and stuff, because they were carried all the same, the way I voiced you, so what difference, how much, is it a fait accompli?

I do not understand. Now news with heat and heat. For two days I did not sleep, being in the far secret, I received a command to wire the columns as a local native. After yesterday's loss of Debaltsev, there was only one more or less convenient way: a very tangled primer, which is difficult to remember. The road from Izvarin to Donetsk, if that.

Yesterday, 140 armored vehicles accumulated in Olkhovatsky and Nikishino, after taking Debaltsev went to Torez, Shakhtersk. We see the result today: a part of the Nazis from Debaltsev turned to Perevalsk-Alchevsk. Result: Kozitsin associates are already eating "Putinka" in Rostov. Our captains and captains also washed away, all the checkpoints on the Kharkov-Rostov line were removed. The guys are indignant and unspeakably, the fighters are coming from Debaly yesterday, we stop, we ask a Chechen friend, what do we do, he says, no options, no help, go away, change into a citizen, and we have dismantled the post, but the Nazis didn’t go to us, turned on Alchevsk and Shakhtersk. Two of us yesterday conducted a convoy to Kr. Ray, then several columns of refugees, and on the night they drove off, and by morning they carried out another convoy to Makeyevka with something covered with a tarp. The fighters are depressed and indignant to the limit, especially the betrayal of the Cossacks, under Lugansk equipment and artillery, for which there is no one to plant, it used to I was sent to take my family, my brother and I will take me to Taganrog if I have time.

Conclusion: we were not just betrayed, it would have been like that if Russia had not come to the rescue at all, we were simply framed, giving us a weapon; saying "A", did not say "B."

The Cossacks, announcing the mobilization, swore to us that no later than 26 May Russian troops would be here, but they could give at least a weapon. This is not only my opinion, even Russian volunteers, with whom I spoke, think so.

No one understands what is going on, it seems, the hypothesis that Putin needed working hands on the construction of BAM and a mine in Kuzbass has a basis.

And yes, sorry for the lack of original photos, it was not before that, and it was punishable.

I also know that after the article my rating will fall below the baseboard. But believe me, this is what worries me the least now. By the way, maybe someone has information about the mining watches in the Komi Republic? Write to me.
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  1. +17
    29 July 2014 09: 21
    Given the Chechen companies, it is possible that the setup ...
    1. +16
      29 July 2014 09: 30
      only the lazy one doesn’t talk about this, but that is the point.
      it is far from the "king", you will not shout.
      1. Cadet787
        +7
        29 July 2014 12: 48
        Our leadership wants to please the monkey and the gamerope, and they, without even waiting for the results of the investigation into the Boeing crash, blamed Russia for it. Guys don't try to break the "old", they only understand strength. You are afraid that whatever happens, it has already happened and only a blind person will not notice that there is a third world war, and the front line for Russia passes through the LPR and DPR. Make a decision, Comrade Supreme Commander, we are your soldiers ready to carry out any order. FATHERLAND IN DANGER !!!
      2. +13
        29 July 2014 13: 03
        given the style and stuffing - the article is fake, but with the motives of truth, so that line-to-line topics are well absorbed.
        1. +3
          29 July 2014 13: 47
          Throwing or provocation?

          Perhaps this should be called the article in my opinion
          BTR, BMP, Grad are transported in the bodies of heavy vehicles, covering with tarpaulin, including across the border

          We are waiting for the next statement by Marie Harf, I see her clearly
          “We know who has supported the separatists for many months. We know that without the direct support of the Russian government, these separatists could not have been in eastern Ukraine and did what they were doing. Everything that we were able to declassify and what underlies this assessment. And we continue to work to announce even more articles on the Internet ”

          Interestingly Avakov will repost? or maybe a new video is being made into YouTube?
        2. 0
          29 July 2014 15: 09
          I agree completely!
    2. +44
      29 July 2014 09: 31
      the hypothesis that Putin needed working hands on the construction of the Baikal-Amur Mainline and the mine in Kuzbass has reason.

      Bad hypothesis, hundreds of thousands are sitting in Russia - they are waiting for such work. It’s only in large cities with more or less work, and people who get 100-10 thousand miles drive away do not differ from Ukraine. At our plant, for example, in February, salaries have not yet been paid.
      1. +22
        29 July 2014 09: 56
        10-15 thousand ??? Brother, where is it so bold on the outskirts they pay? In our regional center, this is considered an excellent salary ... In the region, three and goodbye (if you find).
        1. +2
          29 July 2014 10: 05
          Quote: Kuvabatake
          10-15 thousand ??? Brother, where is it so bold on the outskirts they pay? In our regional center, this is considered an excellent salary ... In the region, three and goodbye (if you find).
          Not ..... Here, in my opinion, you are lying. Three? Very doubtful. Eight to ten are usually in the outback.
          1. +16
            29 July 2014 10: 15
            Quote: baltika-18
            Not ..... Here, in my opinion, you are lying. Three? Very doubtful. Eight to ten are usually in the outback.

            I'm just from the backwoods.
            We have 10 - for happiness.
            In government agencies pay a minimum wage - 8, in private and 3 are not uncommon.
            Exception doctors, teachers, kindergarten teachers.
            1. +5
              29 July 2014 11: 05
              Quote: Wheel
              I'm just from the backwoods.
              We have 10 - for happiness.
              So am I. A small village in the Ivanovo region.
              1. +6
                29 July 2014 12: 03
                Lipetsk region three years ago the state farm paid 4 thousand, then he sent everyone away. Now people are interrupted by work in Moscow, it’s impossible to find nearby, because there are no bus service standards, and in the winter the train was canceled, or they’ll work on temporary huts created for the development of budget funds with subsequent bankruptcy. houses (what is left of them) cost 8-10 thousand rubles
            2. +6
              29 July 2014 11: 36
              Wheel RU Today, 10:15 am ↑ "We have 10 - for happiness."
              Fedorov, who has been sitting in the Duma of the Russian Federation for more than 10 years, told you, Russia is occupied by the Anglo-Saxons .. laughing
            3. Punkt
              +1
              29 July 2014 16: 15
              so how do you live that good Slav people?
          2. +9
            29 July 2014 10: 39
            Quote: baltika-18
            Not ..... Here, in my opinion, you are lying. Three? Very doubtful. Eight to ten are usually in the outback.

            I can set a salary scan of 3000t people get a state farm called the name I do not write so as not to disgrace
            1. +1
              29 July 2014 11: 07
              Quote: Kazakh
              I can set a salary scan of 3000t people get a state farm called the name I do not write so as not to disgrace
              I will not argue. With our system, everything can be.
          3. DMB-88
            +5
            29 July 2014 11: 50
            Quote: baltika-18
            Quote: Kuvabatake
            10-15 thousand ??? Brother, where is it so bold on the outskirts they pay? In our regional center, this is considered an excellent salary ... In the region, three and goodbye (if you find).
            Not ..... Here, in my opinion, you are lying. Three? Very doubtful. Eight to ten are usually in the outback.


            in rural areas of the Oryol region, the salary of about 5 thousand rubles
            1. +2
              29 July 2014 12: 03
              I live in a rural area of ​​the Amur Region, an English teacher, I have been working here for the first year, before that I was engaged in family business. ZP - 21tr I have here it is the lowest almost. According to the statement, I looked at the salaries of other teachers, there up to 35t.r at the head teachers. They either rob you there or ... they rob you there. :)
              1. +3
                29 July 2014 13: 11
                Quote: dejavu
                I live in a rural area of ​​the Amur Region, an English teacher, I have been working here for the first year, before that I was engaged in family business. ZP - 21tr I have here it is the lowest almost. According to the statement, I looked at the salaries of other teachers, there up to 35t.r at the head teachers. They either rob you there or ... they rob you there. :)

                And how much does a technical bus driver or school bus driver get from you?
                Nurse or nanny, fireman or janitor?
            2. VICTOR-61
              +3
              29 July 2014 12: 37
              And under communism, it was all the more or less fair - a builder of about 150-180 teacher 170-220 engineer somewhere also the beginning of the site 200-250 as a result, the difference is small and everything is fair now you write a worker of about 10-30 thousand teacher 30-50 but boss now from 200-500 thousand per month, here you have democracy
          4. +1
            29 July 2014 12: 47
            Even unemployment - 5800 p.
            1. +2
              29 July 2014 13: 12
              Quote: Skif83
              Even unemployment - 5800 p.

              Wow!
              And why do we have 800?
              1. +1
                29 July 2014 14: 07
                Because it is the Far East ....
                1. +2
                  29 July 2014 14: 51
                  Quote: Samy
                  Because it is the Far East ....

                  Uhh, okay!
                  Capitals - the first grade, large cities - the second, Far East - the third, the rest - non-high.
                  1. 0
                    29 July 2014 17: 04
                    So you need to go to work if home work is not normal. In large cities, there are not enough workers, there are also northern shifts, Siberia and the Far East. There are simply regions where working hands are needed, how air is needed, and there are, where 2 healthy foreheads for a grandmother's pension are fed. I live in St. Petersburg and work for a normal Russian person - the sea. Right now I need 2 normal operators with training, a social package and so on. Salary is 25-45 thousand, depending on the workload. I already got sick of the personnel department with my reminders that I would be the first to get people as soon as possible. It makes sense to sit on 3 thousand in the ass if you can find work in another region. Here in St. Petersburg, half of the production at the visitors is held.
                    1. 0
                      29 July 2014 21: 32
                      And housing, dear, at your expense. If from the pocket of the operators, he will have the same 5-15 thousand. Change the awl for soap. And do not talk about cheap housing, my daughter is studying in St. Petersburg, renting an apartment. And further. I know how you need workers with experience (moreover, official), etc. First they refuse, and then when they press, they themselves start calling, you don’t want to work. I speak from my own experience.
        2. +3
          29 July 2014 10: 13
          10-15 thousand ??? Brother, where is it so bold on the outskirts they pay? In our regional center, this is considered an excellent salary ... In the region, three and goodbye (if you find).

          We have a brother for this money (10-15) you can only rent an apartment, even there isn’t enough for services, I’m generally silent about money for food ... but about three, it seems to me an exaggeration.
          1. 0
            29 July 2014 23: 21
            In Voronezh, the same as in Rostov. Therefore, I have been sitting in Moscow since 2003. But I haven’t been in the region for 10-15. Our brother-in-law in Buturlinov has hardly gotten a job. And he gets a huge salary. Three advances and four salaries. So. And then Crimea was eager for Russia and shouted there that in Russia the average salary was 30-40 thousand in the country.
        3. +3
          29 July 2014 10: 48
          usually 10, for example in Belgorod. Salary from 000 to 7000 + premiums. Subtract 12% of personal income tax from salaries.
          1. DMB-88
            +8
            29 July 2014 12: 14
            Quote: vlad-ns
            usually 10, for example in Belgorod. Salary from 000 to 7000 + premiums. Subtract 12% of personal income tax from salaries.


            the stratification of the population into rich and poor in Russia has reached cosmic proportions.
            More or less worthy life in both capitals, in Chechnya, Tatarstan ...
            In the regions, people are interrupted somehow and there are no changes for the better.
            Energy prices are rising, unreasonable housing and communal services prices are rising, gasoline and products are getting more expensive almost every day .... etc.
            Here's a picture of oil, damn it !!!
        4. bif
          -4
          29 July 2014 14: 41
          Quote: Kuvabatake
          10-15 thousand ??? Brother, where is it so bold on the outskirts they pay? In our regional center, this is considered an excellent salary ... In the region, three and goodbye (if you find).

          You voice the reverse side of the medal - What kind of education, what kind of work, what schedule, etc. ... And then 3t.r. you can get both St. Petersburg and Moscow ... working once a week for 1-2 hours as a janitor with the education of 3 class (this is in theory, in real life such "workers" are not kept)
          1. bif
            +1
            30 July 2014 13: 53
            Quote: bif
            You sound the other side of the coin - What kind of education, what kind of work, what kind of schedule, etc ....

            Well, if instead of the answer - 4 minus, then what was required to prove - here at least 4 is ignorant with excessive self-esteem and low ZP, who is to blame for everything except themselves.
      2. WKS
        +3
        29 July 2014 10: 50
        For a month, I thought that this was one of the signs of an early entry of Russian troops to the Donbass, I thought that Putin did not want just our victory on his own, so that he wouldn’t arrogate and change his mind to enter Russia. Was it also a pity to transport a couple of hundred D-30 and a hundred tons of power supply units for them, and do not tell me about satellites and stuff, because they were carried all the same, the way I voiced you, so what difference, how much, is it a fait accompli?

        It turns out again Putin is to blame. The position is rotten. As if I’m going a little, I’ll pretend that I’ll fight, and then let Russia finish off Bandera. If you want the fascists to have control over yourself, learn the Western language and ride on command - sit at home, do not want to go to fight, and beat off the weapon in battle, steal it quietly, buy it, etc. Hope for Russia and don’t be fooled. It is possible to support something that at least does not bend, but the empty gut, no matter how it is not supported, will still not rise. A lot of smart people in Ukraine, in the west want NATO to fight for them, and in the east Russia is being called up for slaughter. Do not want to fight live peacefully no one will pull your ears to the war. It turns out by a saying and wants and pricks. To sit back in this situation will not work. They will take off their pants and rip off, so it’s better when you come take off your pants and turn your ass to the door.
        1. +13
          29 July 2014 11: 54
          For a month I thought that this was one of the signs of the imminent deployment of Russian troops to the Donbass, I thought that Putin did not want our victory on his own just so that he would not be conceited and change his mind about entering Russia.

          Maybe I'm wrong, but an article in the style of an officer daughter, a man constantly contradicts himself. For example, he says that Russia raised armed resistance, but for some reason they have nothing to fight, it’s strange, but there in Slavyansk alone in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Security Service of Ukraine you can find enough small arms, not to mention the military units that have switched to the DNI side, but it turns out that Russia supplies they’re one and a half machine guns, and they themselves have nothing in Ukraine at all .. some kind of nonsense .. It also seems strange that people are fleeing the militia and others are advised to flee .. for some reason it’s clear from all other sources that there are more people in the militia, especially after the atrocities of the Nazis. So, in my opinion, the article is largely contrary to reality ..
          1. +9
            29 July 2014 12: 55
            Quote: DEfindER
            Maybe I'm wrong, but an article in the style of an officer daughter, a man constantly contradicts himself.

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            The article is such a cunning fake ... In the militia since March 3, why not since November 22, 2013? Given the variable success of the ZSU in conquering Donbass, such articles will appear regularly to undermine the resistance from within ... In the same style, the article "Seven Reasons Why They Don't Want to Fight in Donbass" ... Yes, many do not want to fight, because no one I did not think that the West would go to war to the East. Yanukovych prevented the war as best he could, or rather, as he thought was right. And now it's the other way around ... So the article, in my opinion, is meaningless and tries to describe the situation that Kiev wants to see - the end of the resistance of the East ...
          2. tverskoi77
            +3
            29 July 2014 13: 06
            +
            If the article is not provocative, then perhaps the author sees the situation in his narrow circle, and the rest is speculation and rumor.
            As in the closing machine, the columns do not immediately understand what and where it rushed, but in the first they simply do not have time ...
            How can he know how and what they import. If such information went around people, then we would hear it first of all from Kiev.
        2. -4
          29 July 2014 13: 00
          And you fight without weapons and in a minority. This is not the Second World War. Here you either shoot back, or you will be shot. They don't have the strength to move the ATO line anymore. "Don't want to fight, live peacefully"? And who, excuse me, supported them in the month of May?
          1. +2
            29 July 2014 14: 53
            Quote: liberty
            And you fight without weapons and in a minority. This is not the Second World War. Here you either shoot back, or you will be shot. They don't have the strength to move the ATO line anymore. "Don't want to fight, live peacefully"? And who, excuse me, supported them in the month of May?

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            And why then wrote that the AK-74s were enough for everyone? They give everyone a machine gun ... I agree, of course, not a tank that you still need to be able to control, but something already ... Or what's the logic? Here is my village, here is my home, is it not necessary to protect it? Living in a Nazi filtration camp for a loaf of dirty bread per day? So it's probably better ... Or how?
        3. +3
          29 July 2014 13: 37
          and fight off weapons in battle, steal quietly, dear, have you ever kept an automatic machine in your life? I would have looked how you took the machine in battle. I wouldn’t have to look long.
        4. 0
          29 July 2014 13: 38
          and fight off weapons in battle, steal quietly, dear, have you ever kept an automatic machine in your life? I would have looked how you took the machine in battle. I wouldn’t have to look long.
        5. Punkt
          +1
          29 July 2014 16: 19
          yes, the promises of the Cossacks sent and the Russian tam that embarrass me soon will bother me; nobody pulled them for the tongue !!!. And go get the weapon in battle, duck yourself
      3. +1
        29 July 2014 14: 47
        About one and a half hundred refugees came to us in Kemerovo, so do not overestimate their importance at the Kuzbass construction sites ...
    3. +36
      29 July 2014 09: 31
      There are more questions than answers. The fifth column does not sleep, but stubbornly quietly puts Russia in the pocket of shit.
      1. +2
        29 July 2014 11: 11
        Quote: Thought Giant
        There are more questions than answers. The fifth column does not sleep, but stubbornly quietly puts Russia in the pocket of shit.
        But what did you want? The system built in the country over the past 14 years works like that. Answer the question who created this system? My answer is unequivocal: Putin is the president, Putin is the prime minister, and the president is not going to change anything. Do you have other answer options.
        1. +2
          29 July 2014 13: 43
          There are two options:
          Or, Putin is the deputy chairman and is really driving the fifth column, which is unlikely.
          Or, all that we see are the fruits of manual control of a particular leader of the country, Putin. Everyone can choose the option that is more convenient for him.
      2. DMB-88
        +3
        29 July 2014 12: 22
        Quote: Giant thought
        There are more questions than answers. The fifth column does not sleep, but stubbornly quietly puts Russia in the pocket of shit.


        Can you name the figures of this notorious "Fifth Column"?
        Who are these enemies? maybe they are in the house on the waterfront? maybe in the State Duma? maybe in the Kremlin?
        or do you want to say that they are hard workers?
        and like a mantra constantly the Fifth Column, then the sixth column and to infinity ....
        We want to know the enemies by name and face!)))
        1. +2
          29 July 2014 13: 03
          Quote: DMB-88
          and like a mantra constantly the Fifth Column, then the sixth column and to infinity ..
          The repetition of mantras is a stable state of individuals called putinistus uporotus. Where are you the sparrow?
        2. +3
          29 July 2014 13: 15
          and how many advantages they have put to this opinion ... such an excuse for any case, a little like a "fifth column", and if the results are positive, then there is PUTIN! and his team worked! and smashes enemies around him, and cleans and wets in the toilet ...! but only questions arise, the FIFTH COLUMN!
          it's time to create a rubric with podomny statements and articles in a similar style, under the title "Strong pi ... ts" or "Pi ... ts unexpected, unexpected"
          who rules in the line? who makes decisions? where are these cries about the power and omnipotence of EP? so who is this fifth column?
        3. 0
          29 July 2014 15: 37
          The fifth column is everything - from a frank Russophobe to a practically indifferent layman.
          Look around and see a huge number of such characters.
    4. Associate Professor
      +43
      29 July 2014 09: 36
      Quote: mig31
      Given the Chechen companies, it is possible that the setup ...

      If someone thinks that in Ukraine there would be peace after the Maidan, answer one question. Why did the Americans give the command to take power by illegal means when Yanukovych surrendered everything and could not win the election? So rebel with arms in hand, do not rebel, to kill people in Ukraine would still be massively. What, in Odessa there was armed resistance? no. the same unarmed mass of people protested against the junta, as in Lugansk, Donetsk and other cities. And what did they do? The author does not understand the purpose of what is happening: to provoke Russia to tough actions. Or just writes what they ordered
      1. DPZ
        +3
        29 July 2014 10: 23
        The author does not understand the purpose of what is happening: to provoke Russia to tough actions.
        everyone already understands that they are provoking Russia. but they don’t understand: when will we finally provoke ourselves? how much can you hold on and most importantly: why hold on then? since everything is going to exterminate and suppress the Russians, so it might be better to die while standing, and not on your knees ?!
        1. Associate Professor
          +1
          29 July 2014 10: 36
          Quote: DPZ
          everyone already understands that they are provoking Russia. but they don’t understand: when will we finally provoke ourselves? how much can you hold on and most importantly: why hold on then? since everything is going to exterminate and suppress the Russians, so it might be better to die while standing, and not on your knees ?!

          Exactly when it is necessary to "provoke" is known not to me, but to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. He said he reserves the right to use whatever means we have.
          1. +4
            29 July 2014 11: 42
            All the same, all the sanctions have already been imposed. It's time to give real help
        2. +2
          29 July 2014 15: 44
          This "provocation of Russia" has already bored everyone and everyone.
          Imagine this situation for a moment.
          You're on the edge of a cliff.
          They approach you and hit you in the face.
          You are retreating.
          And you think - do not provoke.
          You one more time.
          You back.
          And you think - keep yourself in control. This is a provocation.
          And you are being beaten and beaten.
          You probably forgot - behind a cliff.
          Having fallen there, you certainly cannot provide any resistance.
          And so I push Russia to the cliff.
          And everyone shouts - do not dare to respond to provocations!
        3. 0
          29 July 2014 17: 27
          Or maybe it’s better not to die and not please the enemy with your corpse, but to win - no matter how, honestly, dishonestly, meanly or heroically. If you are fighting and see that you are being ambushed, do you really have to go into it only so that no one thinks that you are scared? And if you buy on weakly or not, the lives of other people depend on it? I think everyone knows about the tactics of some snipers who injure a soldier and do not finish off. He lies in the open and screams in pain, and the others, hiding from the fire, listen to his cries and cannot go out. Then someone does not stand it and tries to pull the guy out and puts his sniper nearby. So Novorossia is a shot down soldier who screams with good language, lying on the sniper’s sight. What are the ways out of the situation? 1- if it is known where the danger is from, bypassing or causing something heavy, which will allow the poor fellow to evacuate under the cover of armor; 2- if it is not known, try to calculate where the danger is from and either cover possible places with something heavy or try again to cover yourself with armor. China, BRICS and so on - this is exactly the technique with which we can try to hide from the threat from the west. We cannot know what the west will do to win. What if, in addition to the sniper in ambush, the grenade launcher and he waits for the box, rubbing his hands? Therefore, one cannot make sudden movements until the situation is clear. This is what GDP is doing - it is trying to determine what the Americans are ready for in this battle. The soldier is certainly a pity, but ditching the squad is even more pitiful. Well, the best way out is if the soldier can take refuge himself and there will be an opportunity to help him.
      2. +10
        29 July 2014 11: 53
        Quote: Docent
        The author does not understand the purpose of what is happening: to provoke Russia to tough actions.

        The author is not up to lofty matters. Before his eyes, the situation is deteriorating, which, with sufficient supply of weapons, could have improved! Before his eyes, people of Novorossia are dying, who openly rose up against the Nazi regime, relying on the words of the President of a friendly state. Without these encouraging words was It would be another form of struggle. It is the author's fellow citizens who are reproached for cowardice by the "anti-fascist patriots" in Russia. Like, they do not want to join the militia. But if they were in Donbass, they would show these very Nazis. So here it is Donbass , next. You do not need to go to Spain to fight the Nazis. Come. For completeness, you can bring your family with you. The Western world supplies its puppets in Syria from across the ocean with all the necessary weapons, instructors, logistics ... an open border, but no. Is it really not clear that Novorossia will simply not have enough resources, not only to march to Kiev, but also to grind the Armed Forces, also fed by the West? In general, without the promised help Novorossia will have a bad time. And this help is urgently needed not even today, but even yesterday. But people will. They will join the liberated territory. But there should be a clear perspective - Kiev and all of Ukraine will be free from the Nazis. But ... so far such a goal is materially nothing. not confirmed.
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        2. Associate Professor
          0
          29 July 2014 14: 42
          Quote: revnagan
          The author is not up to high matters.

          His problems.
          Quote: revnagan
          .The situation is worsening before our eyes, which, if it was provided with sufficient weapons, could have improved! People of Novorossia, who openly opposed the Nazi regime, have relied on the words of the President of a friendly state, are dying in front of his eyes.

          Yes, Putin did not rule out the use of troops in Ukraine. But he did not speak of any dates. He only said that he reserves the right. When it sees fit, then it uses troops. You need to understand that Putin will act in the interests of primarily Russia, and not Ukraine or New Russia.
          Quote: revnagan
          It is precisely the author's fellow citizens who are reproached for cowardice by the "anti-fascist patriots" in Russia.

          Personally, I do not reproach anyone. I believe that if people in Ukraine want to live under the fifth fascist government, then this is their right.
          Quote: revnagan
          The pro-Western world to its puppets in Syria from across the ocean supplies all the necessary weapons, instructors, logistics
          1. +2
            29 July 2014 14: 55
            Quote: Docent
            Yes, Putin did not rule out the use of troops in Ukraine. But he did not talk about any timing.

            There is no question about the troops, or about the timing, the question is about diplomatic cover and assistance with weapons.
            1. Associate Professor
              +1
              29 July 2014 15: 00
              Quote: revnagan
              There is no question about the troops, or about the timing, the question is about diplomatic cover and assistance with weapons.

              There is also a diplomatic cover. As for the supply of weapons, we cannot know if they are coming
        3. Makosha
          0
          10 August 2014 13: 50
          Quote: revnagan
          Is it really not clear that Novorossia doesn’t have enough resources not only to march to Kiev, but also to grind the Armed Forces, also fueled by the West? In general, without the promised help, Novorossia will have a bad time, and this help is urgently needed not even today, but yesterday.


          It is high time for us to raise funds for the militia, and not from case to case, but on a large-scale and on an ongoing basis. Kiev, on the other hand, announced universal financial duty to supply the army. And who is stopping us? Especially since Strelkov has already said that food supplies will last only 2 weeks.

          Let's carry out simple arithmetic calculations.
          In the militia of the DPR 10500 people. They need about 550 million / month for food, individual medicine and uniforms. Who needs justification, see the materials from Strelkova, he says that only on dry packs - 400 rubles / day per person.
          I do not know how much ammunition costs and how much they need. But conditionally we take equal to twice the amount of the provision. Total = 550 * 2 + 550 = 1650 million. The same amount goes to Lugansk, in the total = 1650 million * 2 = 3300 million / month.
          In Russia, the number is 130 million, including children and other insolvent, we will conditionally assume 1/4 = 130/4 = 32,5 million solvent. A month from each of us is enough = 3300/32 = 110 rubles. Only 110 rubles. But - from each and every month. And specifically only for the needs of the militia, not for refugees and not for children with disabilities. These are two bottles of imported beer. Is it hard to refuse?

          In fact, they collect units. We count.
          We have about 300 people in our office.
          When collecting (the jester knows him, already when) they collected only 12000 rubles. Of these, my colleague and I gave 2 thousand each, the rest, approximately, 300 rubles. (like, "standard" amount). Total invested = 12000-4000 = 8000/300 = 27 + 2 = 29, or about 30 people out of 300, that is, the response is 1/10 with "targeted" fees. And that's it, without repetition.

          We look at Kiev.
          They announced an income of 1,5% of all income. Well, for simplicity, we only count from the salary, and count in rubles. Pensions for them, on average, according to http://ubr.ua/finances/macroeconomics-ukraine/gosstat-ozvuchil-razmer-srednei-pe

          nsii-v-ukraine-235324, about 1464 hryvnias or 4274 rubles. We will accept salaries according to http://www.morforum.ru/t20654, i.e., on average = 12 rubles.
          The number of retirees - 13,5 million - at http://financenews24.org/pensiya-v-ukraine-ili-real-nost-mirazhej/. The number of employees, according to the latest reports from .ua, roughly equaled the number of pensioners.
          We believe:
          Allocations to the war by one pensioner = 4274 * 1,5% = 64 rubles,
          one working = 12800 * 1,5% = 192 rubles.
          But we do not hear any indignation from the population. So, not straining?
          As a result, Kiev gets to the war = (64 + 192) * 13,5 million = 3456 million guaranteed fees. This is excluding tax from entrepreneurs, workers in Russia and data averaging.
          So.
          И while we are sitting, waiting for someone to resolve this situation, and without us, they really will resolve it. Just not in our favor.

          Accounts are open, there are contact details, from us - only a "victim" in the amount of 110 rubles / month. But from everyone.
      3. 0
        29 July 2014 15: 40
        Agree
        Convincingly writes.
        With knowledge of the matter. The setting. Situations.
        So what can be seen from the side of his trench in a different light than from the city of Moscow?
        Maybe not a custom scribbler?
        A real fighter with a tough assessment of everything and everything.
        But hopelessness does not blow.
        This one will stand.
    5. +46
      29 July 2014 09: 43
      For a dude who did not serve in the army and was scared far from her that the AKM saw for the first time, they didn’t give a hike to his hands, are there really too specific knowledge of military equipment with an assessment of which is better, what is worse ?! This article is a setup , and judging by everything, a massive dump of shit on VO began, because then the same Kaka appeared. Be vigilant!
      1. +34
        29 July 2014 10: 06
        I absolutely agree, the article is pure stuff! Turning to the author, I want to say, first of all, no one owes you anything or promised you anything! The question is, why, when in Galicia they smashed warehouses with weapons and armed themselves, you sat idly by and waited for Russia to come and do everything for you ?! It was you who, with your silence, your unwillingness to interfere, allowed the fascists to come to power, it was you who DID NOT DO ANYTHING with your ukrofashizm for 23 years, and it is clear who is to blame ... "damn mos * kali" (this is a sacred thing for dill to blame mos * kalya)! Secondly, for those who have not served in the army, the guy is clearly not badly versed in military matters! So the conclusion, the article is ordered and we even know who ...!
        1. +2
          29 July 2014 10: 55
          Well, if it’s custom-made, then why should I shake the air on this? Ignore.
        2. +4
          29 July 2014 11: 31
          Quote: Varyag_1973
          I absolutely agree, the article is pure stuffing!

          Now let's see ... stuffing, or not stuffing ????

          yes ... there are many and not very simple questions ...
          1.why Boroday left for Russia ...
          2. Why Strelkov is no longer the Minister of Defense of the DPR, etc ... ((((It’s not without treason)))
          3. Who is this: Vladimir Yuryevich Antyufeev and why, does he command everything ???

          At a press conference in Donetsk, Vladimir Yuryevich Antyufeev told reporters that at the moment, due to the fact that Alexander Boroday temporarily left for Russia, he is acting as chairman of the council of ministers and commander in chief of the Donetsk People’s Republic during his absence.

          1. +1
            29 July 2014 12: 31
            False facts
          2. +1
            29 July 2014 13: 09
            who is: Antyufeev Vladimir Yuryevich and why, does he command everything ???

            Vladimir Yuryevich Antyufeev has been appointed Vice Prime Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic for State Security. He was introduced to journalists at a joint press conference in which Alexander Borodai and Igor Strelkov took part.

            Vladimir Antyufeev created and for twenty years led the KGB of the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic, and like Igor Strelkov and Alexander Borodai fought in Transnistria.

            From 1992 to 2012 Antyufeev served as Minister of State Security of the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic. In 2004, he received the title of professor at the Academy of Military Sciences of Russia.

            “In the government of the Donetsk People’s Republic, I will be in charge of state security, courts, justice and internal affairs,” said a new member of the Council of Ministers. ”

            Biography


            Born February 19, 1951 in the city of Novosibirsk, RSFSR of the USSR. In 1971 - 1973 he served on the draft in the Soviet army. In 1974 he graduated from the Minsk Special Secondary Police School of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, and in 1999 the Russian Academy of Public Administration under the President of the Russian Federation. In 2003 he defended the dissertation of a candidate of political sciences.



            Since 1973, a police officer. He worked as the head of the Criminal Investigation Department of the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Executive Committee of Riga, since 1987 the deputy chief of the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Leningrad District Executive Committee of Riga. From April 1990 to February 1991 - Deputy Head of the Criminal Investigation Department of the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Executive Committee of Riga. From February to May 1991 - Head of the 4th Division (apartment theft) of the Criminal Police Department of the Police Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Latvia.

            In May 1991, he was seconded to the General Directorate of Public Order Protection of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs.

            According to the official biography from the website of the State Security Ministry of Transdniestria, “Actively participated in resistance to nascent national fascism in Latvia, in connection with which V. Yu. Antyufeev was prosecuted by the Latvian prosecutor. Since September 1991, with the approval of the prosecutor's office, Latvia has been on the international wanted list. ”

            At the end of 1991 he arrived in the Transnistrian region of Moldova. Admitted to service in the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Transnistrian Moldavian Republic, headed the Operations Department of the Internal Affairs Directorate. He changed his name to Vadim Georgievich Shevtsov, later again Antyufeev.

            In May 1992, he headed the Republican Security Directorate of the PMR; since September 1992, the Minister of State Security of the PMR. In 1994, he headed the Republican Security Committee under the President of the PMR, which was formed to fight organized crime, under whose jurisdiction were the Ministry of State Security and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic.

            In 2004, the Moldovan prosecutor's office opened a criminal case against V. Antyufeev accusing him of “misappropriation of power” and “abuse of office” resulting in the exemption from criminal responsibility of the MGB official Dmitry Soin.

            In the same year, Russian citizen Vladimir Antyufeev was included in the list of Transnistrian leaders declared non-grata persons in the European Union.

            On January 17, 2012, by decree of the new PMR President, E.V. Shevchuk was relieved of his post as Minister of State Security, and on January 18, 2012 he was discharged from military service to the reserve upon reaching the age limit for military service. Then he moved to Russia.
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      2. +18
        29 July 2014 10: 30
        Quote: semen777
        This article is a setup, and judging by everything, a massive dump of shit on VO has begun

        IMHO, Actually, as far as I remember, the author of the article is called Sergey. He appeared on VO recently, somewhere in April of this year. Almost all comments were read (by me personally) with interest, like personal summaries from there, that's why they were remembered. more that the places are known to me. And all these reports, tormenting the soul about the helpless state of people who want to fight, but they are not given, written evil and competently, with an understanding of the matter, as a result, led ME PERSONALLY to the conclusion that Sergei is a pessimistic person , so to speak, from birth. No comments - one whining. HE HASN'T ONCE HAPPENED IN ANY VICTORY OF OPOLCHENTSEV. This is if he is, so to speak, "his"
        If he is "not his own", then a lot is explained - an intelligent, competent troll. I take off my hat. hi
        I will just give fragments of his comments below.
        1. Well, yes, it was supposed that there would be no one to help soon
        2. Nothing is simpler, contact the nearest chieftain and he will enter you in the next detachments. It’s not an option to go by yourself, there’s no weapon and the Cossacks will supply (advice to someone who wants to come, and this is with the constant gunderage of Sergei that there are no weapons!).
        3. Sorry, where are you from? Your statement about weapons is enough for everyone as it is not backed up. For some reason, we didn’t have enough at the Chernukhinsky checkpoint; we were also not asked to send to Kramatorsk.(see comment above).
        4. Of course, I apologize, but here I am from Lugansk and I vouch for the support of the Russian Federation at 85 percent. And you are some figures from the ceiling.
        5.BOOOOOOT! Why are they discussing the deployment of troops and not discussing the supply of heavy weapons, well, at least ... from Ossetia. Not 10 tanks but a tank division, not 10 Trays but a D-30 brigade. That's it, your precious boys will not have to go to die in the Donbass.
        6.No, it was you who dragged us into the war and now into the bushes, it just doesn’t work out there.(!!!)
        7. Putin provoked this massacre, the article is being written.
        8. Well, this is understandable, but I still do not see rallies on Red Square demanding assistance to the Russians in Donbass, and this could push the GDP on the right path.
        9. I have long come to the conclusion that the monarchy is the only true form of government for all of us, the Slavs. All attempts at democracy end with the destruction of our states, well, we cannot do without a strong hand, alas.
        10. Yes, I forgot about it, reconnaissance drones and now enough. Our fighter, grandfather is already an Afghan veteran, an order bearer, damaged one of the SVD without optics. It’s strange, by the way, that she’s fighting with her, she’s not putting optics.
        And right there
        11. We here in Lugansk understand the problems of Russia and the mood of everyone is gloomy and decisive.
      3. +3
        29 July 2014 10: 43
        semen777, I agree with you. I read and thought absolutely about too. He didn’t serve, but he was so competent in military affairs, already terrible. A clear provocation.
        1. +1
          29 July 2014 11: 35
          Quote: kush62
          . A clear provocation.

          Or maybe zaboyschik lack of basic human attention in life? He likes to flirt in the comments, to build an unfortunate person out of himself.
          -The equipment from the first column I conducted (!!!) is now from Luch to Kut, there are many, but there is no one to fight.
          -Well, after that it’s clear that there’s nothing to wait for help from the militias, all this is disgusting. My article written on this topic is not published, the truth is evident on this site they do not like.
          -Alas, they did not have to suffer for long, a couple of weeks and New Russia will become a Wikipedia page. But there is another option with the Crimea!
          -Many thanks to all the men, I sit and cry like a beaten ...
          -As one friend of mine, a big official in the Russian Federation, said, Putin plays chess with them
          -Damn, I'm a Russian saboteur, well, go nuts now.
      4. +2
        29 July 2014 14: 26
        Yes, yes, at first I doubted it, but the knowledge of a simple guy with a higher mountain in army terminology and weapons, for a person who did not serve, is surprising ....
      5. 0
        29 July 2014 16: 36
        Quote: semen777
        For a dude who did not serve in the army and was scared far from her that the AKM saw for the first time, they didn’t give a hike to his hands, are there really too specific knowledge of military equipment with an assessment of which is better, what is worse ?! This article is a setup , and judging by everything, a massive dump of shit on VO began, because then the same Kaka appeared. Be vigilant!

        So the phrase that he did not serve in the army immediately distorted me.
        Although, agree that the situation in New Russia is awful.
    6. +17
      29 July 2014 09: 46
      mig31 - But rather, this article is SUBSTITUTION!
      Read it - Russia didn’t help, but we don’t like Muscovites - how do you like this passage?
      1. nvv
        nvv
        +7
        29 July 2014 10: 07
        Why not a huge stream? Why was there no effective and inexpensive portable weapon?

        The words of the author. There is no equipment. Bad. A lot of technology. Also bad. There are no specialists. And by the way, he put a plus without hesitation. Remember Strelkov’s reports, everything is bad. And he shot them both in the tail and in the mane with a double-barreled gun. He also managed to shoot down planes. From a slingshot.
    7. -1
      29 July 2014 12: 27



      Here is the answer to all the questions ....
      1. 0
        29 July 2014 12: 50
        The moment is already over. We are waiting for the Third World War ... then we’ll go on a camping trip abroad in tanks :)!
    8. Vik.Tor
      0
      29 July 2014 12: 56
      Yes, the situation is not unambiguous, war is not easy and answers to questions are not always found.
    9. +1
      29 July 2014 14: 51
      Quote: mig31
      it is possible that the setup ...

      But let's figure it out! I want to say right away that this is not a run over by the author, I believe that he is the most honest and patriot of the Motherland.
      This whole situation did not arise yesterday. I have not seen Z.U. Nevsky on the website for a long time, so he said that it was scary that veterans could not go out on May 9, with all their regalia, with their heads held high! I asked him this question, and now I will repeat- "Is Russia to blame for this? Or the sovereign Ukrainians should have OWNwhen they began to prohibit their native language, and in schools their children began to teach terry fascism, is Russia again to blame?
      When the fascist radicals (as we already know, they did not appear out of nowhere) burned the Berkut and seized power in the country, is Russia again to blame? Should have interfered in the affairs of a sovereign country? Why not the inhabitants of this very country ???
      When in the end everything happened, and the junta came to power, the people deigned to enroll in the militia, for some reason they were inspired to this feat only by the fact that some unknown "Cossacks" promised them to enter the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation! These Cossacks from the General Staff of the Russian Federation? And why should Russia, and so under unprecedented pressure, incurring considerable losses, bring in troops? What then would the sovereign patriots accuse of disappointed expectations!
      In short, the whole article, these are disappointed expectations from Russia! "Krupnyak" is not supplied, the troops are not injected, they lead stupidly ... But what about yourself? Yes, nothing! junta quarreled, now the train is gone, Russia MUST provide housing and work!
      Yes, why do you all have Russia MUST? Why do you hear only "GIVE" ??? The words "ON", you don't know? Russia is to blame that you opposed the junta, otherwise what? Kneel down? ....
      Further beyond the boundaries:
      No one understands what is going on, it seems, the hypothesis that Putin needed working hands on the construction of BAM and a mine in Kuzbass has a basis.

      The guys in such hands in Russia do not need your hands. They have unemployment themselves. Who needs a people who constantly, someone needs something ???
  2. 0
    29 July 2014 09: 23
    And we also ask why Donbass doesn't "get up" .....
    1. +16
      29 July 2014 09: 40
      Rebel, damn it, - quote - "During all this time, no one else gave anything" - and take it yourself, right? In Transnistria, women (!!!), I repeat - women in a similar situation got to the warehouses with weapons themselves - they did not wait for the "Cossacks" to bring them from Russia .... What warehouses with weapons in Donetsk and Luhansk regions. was it not enough? Or was their security unkillable - Huh? ... it's just easier to sit and wait, and then - "they didn't give me", the dill will put him in a pose and deservedly. angry
      1. +2
        29 July 2014 11: 22
        Quote: Goga101
        Rebel, damn it, - quote - "During all this time, no one else gave anything" - and take it yourself, right? In Transnistria, women (!!!), I repeat - women in a similar situation got to the warehouses with weapons themselves - they did not wait for the "Cossacks" to bring them from Russia .... What warehouses with weapons in Donetsk and Luhansk regions. was it not enough? Or was their security unkillable - Huh? ... it's just easier to sit and wait, and then - "they didn't give me", the dill will put him in a pose and deservedly. angry

        But the "Cossacks" are really mummers. That is still shit. Where is the vaunted Babai? The shooters clearly told where they were, they just disgraced themselves.
    2. +8
      29 July 2014 09: 42
      Quote: Barbudo
      And we also ask why Donbass is not "getting up" ...
      Because the directors of this performance do not need him to get up. I want to tell the author if he reads. Everything that happens there is not a betrayal or a setup. This is a well-played performance, with real blood, with real victims, but in essence the performance. - a lot of blood, well, and a lot of side preferences to some people. A lot of blood didn’t work out, well, Vova doesn’t inject himself into the war, he’s afraid that Henry promised so much that he can deceive. It’s necessary to turn off the show to the organizers. How to distinguish the present and The imaginary? Does the present always have a goal, an idea for which people are ready to go to the end, are ready to go to death, have a personality, a leader who personifies this idea. And this is sincere, this is true, therefore people go. The imaginary has none of this , only pathetic attempts, because it is based on a lie, and a human being feels a lie, hence the absence of a general uplift.
      1. -2
        29 July 2014 10: 26
        Quote: baltika-18
        This is a well-played performance, with real blood, with real victims, but in essence a performance.

        Madly plus!
      2. +1
        29 July 2014 13: 38
        how many people want war! they themselves, they themselves will go to war then? but that’s not the question. the war is not a walk, and moreover, start fighting with Ukraine, it is actually starting to kill your citizens, because many have families and relatives there, so what, with brainwashed, now they need to be killed for this ...
        no one knows what actions can clear the consciousness of Ukraine, and what consequences this or that action may have.
        example, the situation with the military personnel who are being treated in Russia ... you think this will open the eyes of Ukrainians that Russia thereby wants to tell Ukraine that we are not at war with Ukraine .... this is not a fact that we are helping the junta in Russia, namely, an attempt to sow the seed of another consciousness ...
        I do not believe the author. besides completely. Did he see with his own eyes how military equipment crosses the border?
        I think he just wants to make excuses for pulling in from there ...
        I just want to say that I don’t reproach him, I myself can’t drop everything and lose my life, a settled life she imposes her own behavior, which needs time to change ...
        but in general, there would have been fewer such, fewer reports of victims ...
        1. -1
          29 July 2014 14: 53
          Quote: SpnSr
          how many people want war! they themselves, they themselves will go to war then? but that’s not the question. the war is not a walk, and moreover, start fighting with Ukraine, it is actually starting to kill your citizens, because many have families and relatives there, so what, with brainwashed, now they need to be killed for this ...

          Katz offered to surrender, offered to surrender, offered to surrender ... (c)
          1. +1
            29 July 2014 15: 13
            Quote: Wheel
            Katz offered to surrender, offered to surrender, offered to surrender ... (c)

            what are you dear about?
            judging by your rhetoric, you clearly have no idea how Russia's entry into the war can affect those families who have a relative there, and what could be the consequences ...
            if you’re such a fighter, then whatever you want to break loose, there are volunteer recruitment points, and help carries them there, to the border with them, and there they will meet you ...
            at the same time and help Strelkov hold on, peck at the aggressive ukrov and hold on ... after all, the likelihood of another maidan in ukropstan is close ....
            forward, this is a chance, without a big fratricidal war, to achieve the desired success, trying to kill only aggressively-minded ukrov. at the same time, and conducting propaganda work to purify the consciousness of our brothers, from the perspective that Russia is not at war with Ukraine, since it never came to war ... your knowledge is deep in this, since
            Katz offered to surrender, offered to surrender, offered to surrender ... (c)
          2. 0
            29 July 2014 17: 11
            for the prevention of especially zealous heads, it’s difficult to call them otherwise
            Former US Deputy Secretary of the Treasury: American elites have destroyed their middle class, and Putin is preventing them from mastering such a tidbit like Russia
            Former US Deputy Secretary of the Treasury: American elites have destroyed their middle class, and Putin prevents them from mastering such a tidbit like Russia | Russian spring
            Paul Craig Roberts believes that American and Western propaganda lead to drawing the world into war.

            - Incredible in scope, the propaganda waged against Russia by the United States and Great Britain and their ministries of propaganda, which is commonly called “Western media”, leads to drawing the world into a war that no one can win. It is time for European governments to wake up because Europe will burn out primarily because there are American military bases there designed to “guarantee its“ security, ”said his head, Paul Craig Roberts, in his article on the Institute for Political Economics. In the past, he was the Under Secretary of the Treasury in the administration of Ronald Reagan, one of the editors of the Wall Street Journal, the mouthpiece of global capital. Now he continues to write columns in numerous publications.

            The decision of a “corrupt” court in the Netherlands, which wrongfully sentenced Russia to pay $ 50 billion to shareholders of Yukos, a “corrupt company that robbed Russia and evaded taxes,” the author considers tantamount to a declaration of war. “The West has attacked Russia because it is completely rotten. The wealth of the elites is based not only on the robbery of weak countries, whose leaders are very easy to bribe, but also on the robbery of their own citizens. The American elites succeeded in this - in the 21st century, they simply destroyed the middle class of their country, ”says Roberts. But Putin is preventing them from mastering such a tidbit as Russia. And they will not stop at nothing to get rid of it.

            Roberts refers to the latest issue of the well-known English journal The Economist, on the cover of which is the subject of the Web of Lies: “This must be read in order to see to what baseness propaganda has reached the West and to what extent it provokes war.” The publication, they say, makes absolutely wild accusations, demands to stop "appeasing" Russia and calls for the most severe actions against Putin. But you will not find any evidence in this article.

            “This publication cannot be called a call to war. Western elites are not only corrupt. They are also crazy, ”concludes a prominent publicist and analyst.
            http://rusvesna.su/news/1406633734

            the confrontation has long been, but thank God, this confrontation has not passed into a zone of heated conflict, with much more victims
            and most importantly, if this confrontation goes to a hot stage, then Russia should not be the initiator, and especially not in the case of Ukraine ...
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      4. +2
        29 July 2014 14: 32
        Quote: baltika-18
        Big blood didn’t work, well, Vova doesn’t inject himself into the war.


        And rightly so, he doesn’t inject. Remember how Japan provoked the USSR in the East to start a war. But then they shot those who succumbed to the provocation made a fiery response. And if, then, the spacecraft succumbed to provocations, then the Union would have ceased to exist: Japan, together with Germany, would have simply swept everything together from Brest to Kamchatka. And now it’s stupid to get involved in this provocation in Ukraine - that would mean the beginning of the Third World War, which the United States is seeking. For them, this is the only salvation, but the cards were mixed in Novorossia not according to the scenario and the sharpie was baked.
  3. +7
    29 July 2014 09: 25
    fly in minus people. militia - "vseproslapolymers" and marshliberast sprinkled an article. hang labels on it.
    But since May we have been talking about this to the Zaputins, and for those at least a stake on their heads, please say the "king" is right, period.
    1. +10
      29 July 2014 09: 57
      An article can be elementary simply stuffing, you can sprinkle such an article in 20 minutes. and now what to believe all? There is so much information pouring in from all sides now. Don't be so naive. And if we assume that part of the article corresponds to reality, this is just the opinion of one person, especially in a war, for one person what is happening can be perceived as "everything is lost", for another, temporary difficulties. Everything from a specific person and character, especially those sitting in wagon train.
    2. +6
      29 July 2014 11: 38
      For Starfish, about "the king is right and the point", then I do not envy Putin now! Now he has such a responsibility that you won't wish it on anyone! It's easy, sitting on the couch in front of the monitor under a beer, shouting "putinvsekhslil", and thinking that Putin is primarily responsible for Russia, and not for the DPR and LPR, no, no luck ?! The bets in this game are not the Crimea, not the DPR with the LPR, the rate is the existence of Russia, and this is not a joke! You need to hurry, you know where! And then, here all such prophets and politicians gathered, that everyone knows exactly who, to whom and what he said on the sidelines, as well as to whom and how much they promised for it! Even if you collect a sofa division, there will be a terrible unit, more abruptly than the Wild Division!
      1. +5
        29 July 2014 12: 17
        Varyag_1973 - This article is a stuffing, provocation - by the reaction on the site you can immediately see who is being provoked by his unreason, and who directly supports any muck written about our country and its leadership.
        Recently, such stuffing has turned into a system - it seems that a certain part of patriotic people (a few "simple-minded" on their heads) are trying to irritate the country's leadership under the pretext of "betraying the Russians in Ukraine ...".
        Who do these stuffing and their authors work for? Yes, for those who are trying at all costs to drag Russia into a full-scale war with Ukraine. hi
        1. 0
          29 July 2014 14: 15
          Goga, congratulations on the major, a week ago you were still a sergeant with Sasha Romanov! Totally agree with you! Information war turns into a plane of undermining the authority of both Putin personally and his entourage! They are now trying to do the same non-tricky operation with us as with the kakli against Yanukovych and his organized criminal group! Divide and conquer in action! It's a pity only for some of our couch patriots, we must at least sometimes turn on the brain, otherwise the example of the Maidan is contagious! Strength in unity, we were drummed into it in the USSR since childhood! Whatever Putin is, but if the West scolds him and does not just scold him, but actually declared war on him, THEN IT MEANS EVERYTHING VOVA DOES RIGHT !!!
          1. 0
            29 July 2014 14: 58
            Quote: Varyag_1973
            The information war goes into the plane of undermining the authority of both Putin personally and his entourage!

            Isn't he himself doing everything possible to "undermine" his authority?

            Yes, I earned a rating in the wake of euphoria after the Crimea.
            He was forgiven all unfulfilled promises, believed, but oh and ah (!), Everything returned to normal ....
    3. +6
      29 July 2014 12: 00
      we got 210 fighters, this is almost the entire male population of our village, broke up into platoons and squads, appointed commanders from among Afghan veterans and who served in all kinds of special forces


      Cool people in Ukrostan, or the grass is cool, since for 210 people from one village you can recruit commanders from among the "Afghan veterans" and "who served in all sorts of special forces." Maybe I live in some kind of bearish corner that I know only one "Afghan" and two "Chechens", and even then both of them, and one from Sevastopol, served in the Marine Corps, and only the Internet is familiar with one former specialist -correspondence.
    4. 0
      29 July 2014 12: 22
      Starfish - like you once threw out the "bad" tsar and got in return the dictatorship of the "proletariat" headed by Leiba Davidovich Bronstein and others like them. Who do you want to pump around our neck - Huh?
      1. +3
        29 July 2014 13: 04
        Well, and why do you feel bad about the dictatorship of the proletariat, the state built on it defeated fascism and is still scared - there are only 33 people in the Verkhovna Rada, and they want to ban the whole party, they’re afraid, and this says something
      2. +1
        29 July 2014 13: 15
        Quote: Goga101
        Starfish - like you once threw out the "bad" tsar and got in return the dictatorship of the "proletariat" headed by Leiba Davidovich Bronstein and others like them. Who do you want to pump around our neck - Huh?

        Do not read liberal newspapers at night.
      3. +1
        29 July 2014 13: 46
        Quote: Goga101
        Starfish - like you once threw out the "bad" tsar and got in return the dictatorship of the "proletariat" headed by Leiba Davidovich Bronstein and others like them. Who do you want to pump around our neck - Huh?

        State Department
  4. +32
    29 July 2014 09: 25
    I can’t put either a minus or a plus. I was not there. And you know better. But I, being a thousand kilometers away from you, ask myself about the same questions. Why did they start supplying weapons so late? Why it was impossible to transfer equipment from the Crimea? But I have another explanation. This is not the need for working hands during the construction of the BAM. In my opinion, there was a game for Europe. And we could not be substituted with the supply of weapons. The world is ending. War will soon begin in the Crimea and Transnistria. There are prerequisites for the simultaneous outbreak of war in Karabakh. The figures are arranged. The whole question is whether NATO will get involved or not. The US needs a war in Europe like air.
    1. +5
      29 July 2014 10: 07
      Quote: Mitek
      I can’t put either a minus or a plus. I was not there. And you know better. But I, being a thousand kilometers away from you, ask myself about the same questions. Why did they start supplying weapons so late? Why it was impossible to transfer equipment from the Crimea? But I have another explanation. This is not the need for working hands during the construction of the BAM. In my opinion, there was a game for Europe. And we could not be substituted with the supply of weapons. The world is ending. War will soon begin in the Crimea and Transnistria. There are prerequisites for the simultaneous outbreak of war in Karabakh. The figures are arranged. The whole question is whether NATO will get involved or not. The US needs a war in Europe like air.
      Questions, questions, questions ...
      And the answers are clearly imposed by officialdom ...
      Everything is much simpler and more complicated, you just need to throw your brains a little and strain your memory.
      Until some time, the Russian authorities planned to either include SE in Russia, or create a buffer state similar to South Ossetia and Abkhazia, in case of emergency, make Ukraine a federation / confederation.
      It was for this purpose that the Boroday-Strelkov team was sent there.
      However, at some point an agreement was reached with the Yusers, such as the Crimea in exchange for non-intervention.
      And rushed!
      The "Russian world" was immediately forgotten, they stopped remembering that "we are not abandoning our own." The rhetoric of the authorities has changed.
      Immediately referenda became unnecessary, the legitimate president went into oblivion, the new Ukrainian government was recognized, the possibility of troop entry was canceled.
      As a result, we have what we have.
      1. +3
        29 July 2014 10: 25
        Yes, just if so, if "Crimea in exchange for non-interference" - then they will crush here and take away Crimea, spitting on all agreements, to the West any agreement is a fig leaf
      2. +3
        29 July 2014 10: 35
        For the nickname "Wheel". Do not be ridiculous, ("However, at some point a certain agreement was reached with the Yusers, such as Crimea in exchange for non-interference."), No one recognized Crimea as ours, and even more so Vova is not so stupid as to believe some there "promises" ame * ditch! Yes, a big geopolitical game is underway with the aim of destroying or weakening Russia as much as possible, and the stakes in this game are much higher than Crimea!
        1. 0
          29 July 2014 12: 54
          Quote: Varyag_1973
          For the nickname "Wheel". Do not be ridiculous, ("However, at some point a certain agreement was reached with the Yusers, such as Crimea in exchange for non-interference."), No one recognized Crimea as ours, and even more so Vova is not so stupid as to believe some there "promises" ame * ditch! Yes, a big geopolitical game is underway with the aim of destroying or weakening Russia as much as possible, and the stakes in this game are much higher than Crimea!

          I have been living in the world for many years, have not forgotten how to think, and rarely make mistakes, and I don’t complain about memory.
          Moreover, from the 60s it became clear that Goodwin, he is most often not Great and far from Terrible.
          This is because nothing more than a conspiracy can explain the change in the rhetoric of the Russian authorities and the practical removal of the topic of Crimea from the pages of Western media after the notorious many-hour Kerry-Lavrov conversation.
          And for information: in addition to the recognition "de jure" there is a recognition "de facto", but it is practically present.
    2. +9
      29 July 2014 10: 13
      Quote: Mitek
      Why so late began to supply weapons
      Russia didn’t supply anyone with weapons. Weapons came from Russia through criminal and semi-criminal channels, but it was a small thing. The bulk of the armaments was supplied by the Ukrainian army (sold, stolen and sold), Dnepropetrovsk (Kolomoisky) played a significant role in deliveries, if not the main one, part of the money in the East was definitely his. This cunning Jew fulfilled the task set by the owners, but also played a small game.
      1. ilya_82
        +1
        29 July 2014 10: 58
        I absolutely agree, the first steps were taken under the dictation of Akhmetov, so that with a new division all that he had stolen remained with him. Then the situation got out of control of Akhmetov thanks to Strelkov. All the original weapons were bought with Akhmetov’s money, so there were so few. Putin said the referendum was premature and asked not to hold.
        1. +2
          29 July 2014 11: 40
          Quote: ilya_82
          Putin said the referendum was premature and asked not to hold.

          And it was not in vain, as it became clear now, that he was speaking.
        2. 0
          29 July 2014 13: 17
          Quote: ilya_82
          Then the situation got out of control of Akhmetov thanks to Strelkov.

          And Strelkov appeared there on his own initiative. Huh?
    3. +5
      29 July 2014 10: 21
      Quote: Mitek
      The US needs a war in Europe like air.
      If the United States made it clear that the war in Europe is also a war for the territory of the United States, that they can’t reverse the situation of the First and Second World War, making money from across the ocean on someone else’s blood, the Yankees would be very thoughtful. North Korea, having (or not having) a couple of nuclear charges, forces itself to respect, and Russia, which can wipe the United States off the planet, is as if afraid of America, its discontent, sanctions. Here, most likely, the matter lies in our oligarchs and their selfish interests beyond the hill, which are more important than the national interests of the people of Russia.
  5. +2
    29 July 2014 09: 26
    Yesterday's events caused a complete shock and confusion - is that all!
  6. +34
    29 July 2014 09: 26
    and you noticed in the article Russia is to blame for everything!
    you feel the handwriting of a professional political strategist!
    everyone is ready to fight, but Russia is to blame!
    as described the transportation of heavy weapons, and more.
    Another fake show that Russia is bad and very insidious!
    1. +28
      29 July 2014 09: 30
      Aha, and as if in passing "Russian stupid commanders" and "familiar Chechen" are mentioned.
    2. +23
      29 July 2014 09: 33
      One hundred percent)))
      I never fought, but in 4 months I began to saw, professor of armaments)))
      1. +2
        29 July 2014 11: 47
        For nicolay338. Aha, and mind you, the "professor" is the rear, as far as I understand, he was not on the front line! But mom managed to gain "experience", don't worry!
      2. 0
        29 July 2014 13: 56
        4 months in the war is already a decent period, at least something to comprehend.
    3. +15
      29 July 2014 09: 35
      Hmm ... Can’t you see the next provocation !!! Listen better Strelkova !!! PANCAKE!!!
      1. +11
        29 July 2014 10: 06
        Quote: Armagedon
        Really the next provocation is not visible !!!

        I thought about it right away, as I read:
        Quote: Author zaboyschik
        The number of people who wanted to go into battle decreased with each success of the Nazis, and now it has passed into the negative stage, people are fleeing.
        Another "officer's daughter": "Everything is not so simple here ..."
        1. +1
          29 July 2014 14: 59
          Quote: chehywed
          Quote: Armagedon
          Really the next provocation is not visible !!!

          I thought about it right away, as I read:
          Quote: Author zaboyschik
          The number of people who wanted to go into battle decreased with each success of the Nazis, and now it has passed into the negative stage, people are fleeing.
          Another "officer's daughter": "Everything is not so simple here ..."

          despite the fact that it seems to be written so that volunteers do not go there, like everything is sad ...
        2. 0
          29 July 2014 14: 59
          Quote: chehywed
          Quote: Armagedon
          Really the next provocation is not visible !!!

          I thought about it right away, as I read:
          Quote: Author zaboyschik
          The number of people who wanted to go into battle decreased with each success of the Nazis, and now it has passed into the negative stage, people are fleeing.
          Another "officer's daughter": "Everything is not so simple here ..."

          despite the fact that it seems to be written so that volunteers do not go there, like everything is sad ...
    4. +8
      29 July 2014 09: 35

      Baron Wrangell SU  Today, 09: 26 New
      and you noticed in the article Russia is to blame for everything!


      ,,, again during the referendum, the question was about creating republics, and not about joining the Russian Federation,
      ,,, GDP asked to postpone the referendum to a later date, to create conditions for it ,,,

      ,,, but the RF is to blame anyway request ?
      1. 0
        29 July 2014 12: 37
        Quote: bubalik
        ,,, again during the referendum, the question was about creating republics, and not about joining the Russian Federation,
        ,,, GDP asked to postpone the referendum to a later date, to create conditions for it ,,,


        And about it all as it is already all forgotten ... But in vain.
        1. 0
          29 July 2014 13: 22
          Quote: KrSk
          Quote: bubalik
          ,,, again during the referendum, the question was about creating republics, and not about joining the Russian Federation,
          ,,, GDP asked to postpone the referendum to a later date, to create conditions for it ,,,

          And about it all as it is already all forgotten ... But in vain.

          They did not forget about it.
          It was after this "request" that the "Russian world" was somehow quietly forgotten and who does not leave whom.
          As a result, it turns out that, in fact, they did not quit, but threw it.
    5. -8
      29 July 2014 09: 41
      This is not a fake, but the opinion of a man from the battle zone! And Russia is really to blame for everything, for as the little prince said, we are responsible for those who were tamed
      But what do you really believe that BM21 and their ammunition are captured from ukrov?
      1. +6
        29 July 2014 09: 51

        fleks SU  Today, 09: 41 ↑
        This is not a fake, but the opinion of a person from the battle zone!


        ,,, diametrically opposed opinions on the network are also hundreds ,,,
      2. +5
        29 July 2014 10: 17
        How is it known that he is from the battle zone? If he wrote about himself that way, this does not mean that it is true. Like everything else he wrote. To believe everything that is written in the conditions of the information war is silly and naive, and to convince others to believe is already participation in this very war.
      3. +5
        29 July 2014 10: 21
        Quote: fleks
        But what do you really believe that BM21 and their ammunition are captured from ukrov?

        And you about it something you know , or just scratch your tongue?
      4. +2
        29 July 2014 11: 58
        For fleks. And who did we tame ?! Something I do not remember, Putin or Lavrov, talked about the recognition of the DPR and LPR and promised them military help! Why, what a dill manner, always blame Russia for all the troubles in dill ?! I directly like the question: Maidan arranged the FSA - Russia is to blame; in 23 years they raised the Nazis from their murders * people * - Russia is to blame; Crimea did not want to participate in this mess - Russia is to blame; I am already silent for gas and about the fact that dill always fed us ...! Saw breadwinners, their mother!
      5. 0
        29 July 2014 17: 38
        Quote: fleks
        This is not a fake, but the opinion of a man from the battle zone! And Russia is really to blame for everything, for as the little prince said, we are responsible for those who were tamed
        But what do you really believe that BM21 and their ammunition are captured from ukrov?

        Do you think that all the columns destroyed by the militia, with ammunition and fuel really burned out? after all, for whom is war, for whom is mother dear!
        I don’t know about the fake, I don’t think it is fake, only the author is looking for an excuse for leaving the post when the Chechen said that everything was there, krants, .... and the krants didn’t go in the direction of the post they left author
    6. +6
      29 July 2014 09: 42
      Baron Wrangel - You are right, and in truth the "setup" - this article - SUBSTAVA - is another provocateur.
    7. kombat58
      +18
      29 July 2014 09: 48
      Also pay attention!
      At first I did not serve ... Then "There is such a wonderful thing - 2B11, I literally saw it in my dreams, I ate a bald head to the chieftain, talking about the tactics of its use"
      Otkel such knowledge. Otkel knowledge of "tactics of application"!
      Cause a panic HERE THE BASIC OBJECTIVE of this opus!
      Something like this.
    8. +16
      29 July 2014 09: 50
      The article is sheer provocation. "Unserviceable" and non-combatant "warrior" under the pseudonym "slaughterer"))) An ordinary troll and a provocateur. The article is needed as a throw-in to make sure that Russia is to blame for everything!
      Article minus! Golem she ...
      1. +5
        29 July 2014 10: 36
        Quote: TUNISIA
        An article is a pure provocation.

        No need to look for a black cat in a dark room, especially when she is not there.
        Here are thoughts from a real person from the forefront:
        28.07.14/XNUMX/XNUMX. Message from the militia Alexander Zhukovsky.

        "The Shapkozakidans either openly lie about" just about "(" there was a meeting, "" passed infa, "" a convoy went, "etc.), most likely according to instructions and for salary, or they give vague, vyvirayvaye from the nose about the early collapse of Ukraine as an economy and state.

        Kholmogorov wrote about this today: “It is assumed that the monstrous losses will finish off the internal stability of Ukraine and it will simply explode. It is possible. But, my strategic ones. But this is possible only if Ukraine does not know how to finish off Novorossia with operative measures BEFORE it collapses into chaos itself. The current operational situation is such that it is not necessary to rely on the fact that strategic factors will work before the situation is quickly lost. "

        He can only build a military strategy on the "imminent collapse" that has been picked out of his nose. They want to see Strelkov as such an idiot and justify the non-interference of the Russian Federation with such idiocy.

        The "defeatists" (in the sense of "realists") act according to the principle "hope for the best - prepare for the worst." Preparedness for the worst is that psychologically all death row prisoners are here. Although hopes for the best are melting every day. More precisely, they are buried with each deceased comrade.

        Therefore, it is simply ridiculous to hear from here about my defeatism and alarmism from the Moscow Shapkozakidans. When there were conditions and grounds, we were not averse to both cheering and bluffing, and even when the situation was fatal, we retained a certain enthusiasm (in Slavyansk I changed comrades at the post with the slogan "The one going to death greets you!") Now there is no ardor at all - not because the situation has worsened (just when it's really bad - the program "fun and scary" will turn on), but because "we were betrayed."

        And the Shapkozakidans were still upset that Strelkov did not want to give more reports. They were upset that the reality show was deprived of them. And now they scold me for my defeatism and "whining" and accuse me of deliberate desecration (for the message about the day before yesterday's defeat of the strike group at Snezhnoye, which did not appear in the reports). At night I dream of a headless woman from Slavyansk, and the smell of fried meat reminds me of the burnt corpses of comrades every time. I no longer want to see women and children being torn to pieces, I don’t want to collect parts of my comrades, I don’t want to collect money for their widows and children, who in six months will ask why their fathers and husbands died.

        Nothing, I'm not proud, and I am ready to whine as much as is needed, if it is needed so that someone in Moscow gets their brains turned on, and we get, if not Russian troops, then at least Russian armament in a volume sufficient for optimism and hats with our side. "
    9. -9
      29 July 2014 10: 09
      Quote: Baron Wrangel
      and you noticed in the article Russia is to blame for everything!
      you feel the handwriting of a professional political strategist!
      everyone is ready to fight, but Russia is to blame!
      The funny thing is that in this case it is Russia that is to blame, as it is not regrettable.
      Saying A, you must definitely get to I, and not throw it on the second letter.
      1. +2
        29 July 2014 11: 42
        Wheel RU Today, 10:09 ↑
        And you look at how the tonality of Solovyov's programs has changed in the opposite way .. From a hurray of patriotism (("" and we all .. let's wait .. "" !!) at the beginning to the last program - "let them figure it out" Zhirinovsky alone was adequate .. the rest were neither BE nor ME ..
        1. -1
          29 July 2014 12: 55
          Quote: 222222
          Wheel RU Today, 10:09 ↑
          And you look at how the tonality of Solovyov's programs has changed in the opposite way .. From a hurray of patriotism (("" and we all .. let's wait .. "" !!) at the beginning to the last program - "let them figure it out" Zhirinovsky alone was adequate .. the rest were neither BE nor ME ..

          Well, so am I about the same.
      2. +2
        29 July 2014 11: 44
        Wheel some vile. In a pair, they’re either working, one troll, and the second on the hook, like urki.
        1. -2
          29 July 2014 12: 57
          Quote: Anper
          Wheel some vile. In a pair, they’re either working, one troll, and the second on the hook, like urki.

          Gee-gee-gee!
          Thank you for the compliment!
          It is much easier to rush slogans than to think with your head.
      3. +1
        29 July 2014 12: 41
        The notorious RUSSIA IS TO BE FUCKED IN ALL has real "features"? since they wrote about it, take the trouble to make a list of "guilt" ???
    10. nickname 1 and 2
      +6
      29 July 2014 10: 11
      For their sake, for the sake of truth. I did not participate in the battles, since it was not that there was no combat experience, but I did not even serve in the army.

      The Cossacks, announcing the mobilization, swore to us that no later than 26 May Russian troops would be here, but they could give at least a weapon. This is not only my opinion, even Russian volunteers, with whom I spoke, think so.


      Result: Kozitsin associates already eat "Putinka" in Rostov.


      And what are you, "tovarisch", thought easy GLORY - cut down?
      Are you at war - have you gone?
      And the war is a mess! first of all, and the totality of all the nonsense from which brains wedge !!!! And delirium from the lips of everyone around you! Because it’s all ABOUT X ............... TH STRESS AND A LOT OF FACTORS FROM WHICH EVERYONE FOLLOWS!
  7. +13
    29 July 2014 09: 27
    Well, I don’t know, I need to check. Strelkov, after all, is fighting the same thing, and very successfully, holding back the entire dill army.
    1. +1
      29 July 2014 09: 58
      Quote: lexx2038
      Well, I don’t know, I need to check. Strelkov, after all, is fighting the same thing, and very successfully, holding back the entire dill army.

      And how many times Strelkov said that there are extremely few weapons. That you have to send volunteers home, because there is nothing to arm. So, I completely admit that what is written in the article is true.
  8. +6
    29 July 2014 09: 28
    Putin is doing everything right, otherwise it cannot be. Naturally, not every soldier understands the plans of the Commander-in-Chief. There is no talk of slow execution of orders either, Shoigu monitors the execution, which means that everything is as it should.
  9. zzz
    zzz
    +2
    29 July 2014 09: 28
    Who has any thoughts? Chet do not even know what to say and what to think? Read bitterly ...
    1. +9
      29 July 2014 09: 48
      And what thoughts can be !? To think, you need to have information, and we are fooled from all sides, so that no one understands anything. Studying the Internet and listening to news from different angles, you come to the conclusion that nothing is possible for an ordinary person being processed by the media. Apparently, that's what was intended. Therefore, to judge the situation is possible only by indirect signs.
      1. -2
        29 July 2014 10: 34
        Quote: samuil60
        And what thoughts can be !? To think, you need to have information, and we are fooled from all sides, so that no one understands anything. Studying the Internet and listening to news from different angles, you come to the conclusion that nothing is possible for an ordinary person being processed by the media. Apparently, that's what was intended. Therefore, to judge the situation is possible only by indirect signs.

        There is enough information.
        It is only necessary to correctly process it.
    2. 0
      29 July 2014 10: 03
      Moreover, in recent weeks you only hear about mass desertions from the Ukrainian army, dying in all kinds of boilers. But no one bothered to tell the true state of affairs and analysis of the situation.
    3. nickname 1 and 2
      +2
      29 July 2014 10: 27
      Quote: zzz
      Read bitterly ...


      What did you expect?

      In war, there is no other way!

      In war - as you drown - so you ditch! and this is about everything and about food and about a splinter and about a bullet, etc. - what are prepared for you!
      Everyone for himself must try, care, think! Are fathers commanders? So THEY then - they didn’t finish the academies!

      And about your mood - EVERYONE SHOULD CARE!


      and WHAT - they cut the oncoming stream! Indeed, there is a lot of information about poor life from the side of punishers. Get to the meeting.
  10. +3
    29 July 2014 09: 28
    near Lugansk, equipment and artillery, for which there was no one to plant, had previously been needed. I was sent to take my family away, and I will take my brother and I to Taganrog, if I have time.


    And near Donetsk, commanders complain that they have no heavy weapons.

    In a word, IMPROVEMENT!

    But how many times they said that the militias were provided with heavy weapons! Lost time! Everyone was afraid of sanctions. And who will fight for New Russia with such an approach to business with managers.

    1. -2
      29 July 2014 09: 41
      The border is still open in the Krasnodon area, but almost all roads between Lugansk and Donetsk have already been cut, only steppe directions remain.
      1. +3
        29 July 2014 12: 00
        Fathers, and the great historian Aeneas here! Are you all there, dichlorvos poisoned, drove the troll with sticks? A long time ago you were not with your historical opuses!
        But this is a pearl from the comments of Aeneas, in general it is very interesting to read it.

        such scenarios and throws pond-pond. such bloody scenarios will not work in Ukraine, for Ukrainians are calm and not aggressive people, unlike the same Georgians, Caucasians and Balkans. even during the Orange Revolution, police recorded a decrease in crime.
        For reference: Orange - orange, Eney has a poor vocabulary for competent trolling on the Russian site.
        Aeneas: we learn the word pearl - perlina in Ukrainian.
      2. sergant6776
        +2
        29 July 2014 12: 27
        Aeneas UA Today, 09:41 ↑ New

        The border is still open in the Krasnodon area, but almost all roads between Lugansk and Donetsk have already been cut, only steppe directions remain.


        How many 3.14 ****** at the same time gathered at the Bonfire, really ALL from the Maidan))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Frozen b ...
        I understand that today there is a reason to wipe, to fuss, but there is no need to TROLL. This is read not only by children .....)))))
    2. -9
      29 July 2014 09: 45
      Conclusion: we were not just betrayed, it would have been like that if Russia had not come to the rescue at all, we were simply framed, giving us a weapon; saying "A", did not say "B."


      All this is like a veiled drain of New Russia!
      1. 0
        29 July 2014 10: 37
        Quote: rotor
        All this is like a veiled drain of New Russia!

        Why is veiled?
        1. +2
          29 July 2014 11: 07
          Because no other logic can be traced.

          They could not help the militias. Clear.

          Why did they help the militias fluidly, realizing that Western sanctions would follow for their help? Unclear!!!
          1. +1
            29 July 2014 15: 02
            Quote: rotor
            Because no other logic can be traced.

            They could not help the militias. Clear.

            Why did they help the militias fluidly, realizing that Western sanctions would follow for their help? Unclear!!!

            The logic is simple: to merge at once almost suicide for the authorities - the people (who they are, why I don’t know?) Will not understand.
            Therefore, drained slowly.
  11. +29
    29 July 2014 09: 29
    I also know that after the article my rating will fall below the plinth.


    Many people expressed their opinions about what is happening here.
    With a cry of the soul, with pain for the Motherland, for the family, for everything that is dear to their HEART.
    But in my opinion, only trolls are worried about the rating.
    1. 0
      29 July 2014 14: 23
      This phrase also seemed strangely surprising. And also, note that everywhere he calls ukrovoyak: "Nazi", nothing else. And he apologized very much for not being able to provide "original photos": "there was no time for that, and even the ban."
  12. +9
    29 July 2014 09: 30
    I minus, this is another provocation in the information war!
  13. +2
    29 July 2014 09: 30
    What can you say about this, sitting at home or at work, when nothing flies over your head ...
    A few more essays from other places, preferably truthful to add the mosaic.
  14. kay4yk
    +7
    29 July 2014 09: 32
    military review will soon print the dialogues of grandmothers on the bench. there are almost no serious materials in the case. in Ukrainian forums, people also probably make thoughtless biomass from people. only with accuracy - on the contrary. In short, you are not a minus, but goodbye
  15. +8
    29 July 2014 09: 32
    thirty-five years, the highest mountain, not a fool

    Fake. Thirty-five years old, the highest political technology, comprador.
  16. pahom54
    +17
    29 July 2014 09: 32
    The whole point of the article, as I understand it, is as follows: "So, it was the Russian government that provoked the transition of resistance to the armed stage ..." ...
    It seems to me that the article directly relates to the category of information warfare.
    However, something can be believed, even if at least the fact that AT THE BEGINNING the men went into self-defense and played with machine guns, as with toys, but then, when it all began, they began to "see clearly" "
    In general, again, the idea of ​​the Americans about the fact that Russia is guilty of the war on the outskirts is expressed, as it were, on behalf of the militia ...
    And to whom did he write this ??? !!! ...
  17. -8
    29 July 2014 09: 33
    "" "It seems that the hypothesis that Putin needed working hands for the construction of the BAM and the mine in Kuzbass has a basis." ""
    what did you guys think? why are you so naive?
    starting from the age of 15, a visa regime with the Central Asian countries is introduced ... not that it would be difficult to get a visa - it will be EXPENSIVE! the vast majority of Gaster visas can’t afford it! they’re already in shock! and then a couple of millions of LITERATED people of Slavic nationality will be very helpful;) workers from Ukraine have already appeared at our factories in Orenburg (you won’t be lured to work at the plant) and they say only their number will increase
    Pay attention to how (by hook or by hook) children are taken out of Ukraine ... these are future citizens of Russia! and the southern, "Ciscaucasian" regions will not be hindered by the "injection" of the Slavic population, right?
    1. +8
      29 July 2014 10: 08
      Quote: Russian Uzbek

      Russian Uzbek


      Today, 09: 33

      ↓ New


      "" "It seems that the hypothesis that Putin needed working hands on the construction of the BAM and the mine in Kuzbass has a basis." "" What did you guys think, why are you so naive?

      Well, yes! To replace 2-3 million chuchmekov Russia has organized itself a grandiose "hemorrhoids"; to take sanctions "on the chest" with multibillion-dollar foreign exchange losses; to equip millions of Ukrainian refugees (billions of dollars in losses); to identify and fight against Bandera sabotage agents (Chechnya and Dagestan?); Urgently build factories according to import substitution programs (billions of dollars); endanger South Stream and much more like that .... "Did you try to include" Thinking "? Maybe it will be cheaper for Russia to implement your assumptions through activation and improvement of the Compatriots Resettlement Program?
      1. -3
        29 July 2014 10: 39
        instead of minus, you can turn on the brain and think! Did I not write the truth?
        there is no need to interpret as: "Russia organized for itself ...", Russia organized! Western "partners" ... what is happening in Ukraine was inevitable, the Americans had been preparing this civil war for 23 years and it could not but happen
        What was Russia to do?
        if they give you lemon, try to make lemonade out of it
        1. +1
          29 July 2014 14: 00
          [the hypothesis that Putin needed working hands for the construction of the BAM and the mine in Kuzbass is well founded. "[/ quote]
          [quote = Russian Uzbek] didn't I write the truth? [/ quote]
          Think again!
  18. +11
    29 July 2014 09: 33
    Putin should not think that the Khokhlov should live well, he is the president of Russia, he is watching over the interests of Russians. In geopolitical terms, it does not matter how many people die in Ukropia, it is important that the Russians die as little as possible.
  19. +3
    29 July 2014 09: 34
    Today, 09: 13
    Seven reasons why Donbass men do not want to fight

    After talking with Donetsk people, the picture has now become clearer for me, why Donetsk men do not want to fight in the ranks of the militias in the Donbas and defend their land.

    I will highlight seven reasons:

    1. The lack of a reputable leader among the militias.
    Shooters - Muscovite. Boroday - Muscovite. Pushilin, a former MMM boxer who threw half a town for money, traveled in luxurious cars with a crowd of guards, bought expensive costumes for himself, dined in the best restaurants.
    Muscovites with their snobbish arrogant manners traditionally do not like. The local authority leader would be trusted more. MMM-payers, littering the money, as a rule do not like. In other words - no Donbas his Chaly, able to inspire confidence in the population.

    2. Negative example of the "heavenly hundred."
    The senseless death of more than a hundred people on the Maidan showed that other people's ideals are not worth the risk of losing their own lives. According to Donetsk, only fools are fighting and dying for someone's ideas, and smart ones will wait out and rest in the Crimea.

    3. Looting and extortion.
    Residents are not even looted and robbery when an organized gang of criminals steals cars of ordinary citizens and extorts, threatening with weapons, and the inability of the DPR leadership to cope with this situation.

    4. Militias do not protect the city.
    There have already been a lot of complaints about the militia, why they are located near roadblocks with roadblocks, endangering residents of houses. The Ukrainian army bombs on the cities where the militia are located, thus destroying the infrastructure of the city. Then the militia went to a quiet city, which had previously lived a quiet life, and hell begins in this quiet town. There is already a war for the sake of war, and not for the sake of protecting civilians.

    5. Internal disassembly.
    It is no secret that between Borodai, Strelkov, Pushilin, Gubarev there are constantly internal disassembly and dragging of the blanket over themselves - who should be the people's governor or the people's mayor of a particular city in the Donbas. Showdowns in the “Who's in charge?” Style do not contribute to the consolidation of military forces.

    6. The inability of the militia to maintain a normal life infrastructure in the city.
    When all shops, schools, hospitals are closed; when it is necessary to leave the city, throwing everything acquired by overwork, due to the fact that they bombed; when people see no prospect, they do not seek to join the ranks of the militia.

    7. The discrepancy of expectations in the referendum of reality.
    When people voted in the referendum for the DPR, they hoped that it would be like in the Crimea. Nobody told them that they would be bombed and they would have to sit in basements, even without being able to eat normally. Civilians do not know what will happen in the future: where they will work, what to feed and where to teach children when the entire infrastructure - factories, factories, schools - is destroyed. Therefore, they do not want to fight. Because the longer the war lasts, the more destruction of their cities will be.

    This is not only from the words of Donetsk, who came to the Crimea. I also observe similar reasons in the journals of my Donetsk LJ-friends, for whom I am very worried when they write that they cannot fall asleep because of explosions.

    I think that all these claims of Donetsk men need to take note of the leadership of the DPR and stop pretending that everything is perfect and there are no problems. The DPR leadership should stop internal dismantling, punish looters, reduce crime in cities, try to protect the infrastructure of cities and civilians. Otherwise, the level of support for the DPR by the population will fall exponentially.
    Author politichanka
    Original source http://politichanka.livejournal.com/178167.html
    Article rating1417

    They water from one watering can, do not you think ?!
    1. +4
      29 July 2014 10: 03
      I agree, it seems, our overseas friends or SBU began throwing info in an attempt to create fermentation and a split
    2. +1
      29 July 2014 10: 34
      Cool, minus already .. until the end is not fate to finish? Or dill broke stsuki ...
      1. +1
        29 July 2014 12: 05
        Quote: semen777
        or dill broke stsuki

        So them here today on the site like pickled cockroaches.
  20. +17
    29 July 2014 09: 34
    Something a suspicious article, it did not seem to serve, did not participate in the battles, and it pours on military terms and knowledge of the materiel of military equipment. I have vague doubts about this article.
    1. +2
      29 July 2014 09: 57
      Similarly ...
      1. +4
        29 July 2014 10: 05
        The article is clearly provocative.
  21. s1н7т
    0
    29 July 2014 09: 35
    Well, let's set up. What's the point? I can’t come up with an explanation. As an option: didn’t they say B?
    1. +3
      29 July 2014 09: 58
      Maybe the point is to sow doubt.
  22. +5
    29 July 2014 09: 36
    Question to the author: If everything is as you write, who and what causes those losses to law enforcement officers and army men is extreme. Even according to their official reports they are not small. I don’t put the minus only because the main conclusion about the setup is correct. Only Russia is substituted so that the EU doesn’t left the United States. And it was not like Putin for the sake of working hands.
  23. +2
    29 July 2014 09: 36
    If everything described is true ... then my most terrible assumptions about the course of hostilities and the betrayal of power or the fifth column come true! They are afraid of Strelkov. They are afraid of the commander and his army.
    1. +1
      29 July 2014 10: 23
      Quote: Stelth1985
      They are afraid of Strelkov. They are afraid of the commander and his army.

      Why are they afraid of him? If necessary, if it interferes strongly, they will remove it (it is not necessary to kill, there is a variant of the setup). And large companies, such as Lukoil, are able to put up an army larger than Strelkov’s. So nobody here is afraid of him here. Of the large figures, for sure.
      1. -1
        29 July 2014 12: 47
        Caesar was no one afraid at first. In addition, the fifth column is most afraid of him, because people like Strelkov are simply wetting this fifth column without talking about the laws of war and that's all.
  24. +6
    29 July 2014 09: 37
    In the beginning - "Yourself with a mustache", and then "We were set up!"
  25. +5
    29 July 2014 09: 38
    Begging, I am disappointed with your illiterate politician with respect to Novorossii Vladimir Vladimirovich, And Crimea was returned purely by chance, a coincidence.
  26. +7
    29 July 2014 09: 39
    Quote: Shaitan
    he is watching the interests of Russians

    You correctly noticed this - the interests of the Russians are watching, but probably those with a score of six zeros, otherwise you can lose your post
    1. +1
      29 July 2014 09: 53
      for a long time already I think that he just plays his game. and in this game the lives of ordinary people are worthless.
      apparently wins its place in the future post-war world. this requires a sufficiently strong Russia - as an argument, as a trump card.
  27. nicollider
    +7
    29 July 2014 09: 41
    again, Debaltseve: according to reports of militias in the voice of Sevastopol - in the city of fighting - here the author says that Debaltseve was left. is the author the daughter of an air conditioner?

    Once again, perhaps someone will read from the esteemed authors who manage to write columns and write texts: Doubts about the decisions of the commander-in-chief in the war are treason

    1. 0
      29 July 2014 10: 17
      According to strelkov_info

      I do not have a complete picture of the situation in the DPR, only a fragmentary picture. Debaltseve passed the mumbled Cossacks yesterday - without a fight. Ukrainians destroyed the local House of Culture and the hospital of railway workers, where they were wounded. Reinforcements were sent there, they are resisting today. But most of the city is under ukrami.
    2. +1
      29 July 2014 11: 15
      Quote: nicollider
      again, Debaltseve: according to reports of militias in the voice of Sevastopol - in the city of fighting - here the author says that Debaltseve was left. is the author the daughter of an air conditioner?
      And the author did not exaggerate - the Cossacks dumped.
      28.07.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX. Comments on the fighting situation from the militia Prokhorov.

      - Who controls Debaltseve and Enakievo now?

      “I’ll tell you right away - I don’t have a complete picture of the situation in the DPR, only a fragmentary picture. Yesterday the disguised Cossacks surrendered Debaltseve - without a fight. The Ukrainians destroyed the local House of Culture and the railway workers' hospitals, where the wounded were. and they resist, but most of the city is under Ukrainian territory.
  28. +6
    29 July 2014 09: 41
    I would like to ask the author of the article a couple of questions:
    Why should Russia send in regular troops and then send funerals to mothers and wives?
    In the militia, and so a huge number of volunteers from Russia. When healthy men of Donbass and Lugansk flee to Russia, instead of picking up arms and fighting.
    Why should someone fight for you while you sit back and wait for the triumph.
    1. -1
      29 July 2014 11: 58
      Quote: Yuri Nikolaevich
      I would like to ask the author of the article a couple of questions:
      Why should Russia send in regular troops and then send funerals to mothers and wives?
      In the militia, and so a huge number of volunteers from Russia. When healthy men of Donbass and Lugansk flee to Russia, instead of picking up arms and fighting.
      Why should someone fight for you while you sit back and wait for the triumph.

      I will try to answer you why Russia should send troops.
      1. To protect compatriots who were thrown and thrown for 23 years and who have not believed in Russia for a long time. Reviving faith in Russia is worth a lot!
      2. So that in the future no one dares to insult and humiliate Russia, as the current Kiev authorities do. It’s bitter and insulting to me, and not only to me, when Russia is spit in the face, and it’s wiping itself, and at the same time it is trying to squeeze a smile out of itself and fawning over the spitting person.
      3.To protect the south of Russia from the environmental disaster that will inevitably arise during the development of shale gas. All chemistry through Donets will go to the Don and the Sea of ​​Azov, which will turn into lifeless gutters.
      4. To send our sworn "partners" far and long.
      5. To move from the talking room to the real revival of Russia as a power.

      Is it enough?

      And now about what will happen in case of non-deployment of troops.
      Quiet and systematic merging of positions with the subsequent collapse of Russia.
  29. +9
    29 July 2014 09: 44
    A request for help in finding employment in Komi (as well as his biography) is intended to strengthen the reality of what is happening IMHO.
  30. +4
    29 July 2014 09: 47
    So, it was the Russian government that provoked the transition of resistance to the armed stage, no one will convince me that the Cossacks bought weapons at the Voentorg and freely transported across the border of the Russian Federation. By the way, it was through them that thin trickle of weapon went, and they were engaged in its distribution.

    The author knows better, but why did he decide that this weapon was Russian, was it written on it? There were many weapons stores in Donetsk and Lugansk, so they were cleaned at the beginning of this war

    A bunch of commanders, each his own, all are citizens of the Russian Federation

    But each commander went and showed the passport of the Russian Federation to the left and to the right, from where does he know that they are all from the Russian Federation?
  31. +5
    29 July 2014 09: 47
    I bet that if the militia is defeated, there will be texts "they themselves are to blame, they could not defend"
  32. 0
    29 July 2014 09: 47
    And you believe and do not believe ..
  33. +2
    29 July 2014 09: 57
    The author and who you really are? A pseudonym that does not say anything, neither name nor surname. And again, Putin is to blame, but what have you done? Just try "glory to Ukraine".
  34. sergio4232
    +5
    29 July 2014 09: 57
    This is some kind of provocator, even if I edited my page on mail.ru that I studied at the mountain, in fact, the Higher School of Business - Institute of Economics and Management, Ukraine, Alchevsk
    1. +2
      29 July 2014 10: 17
      Do not rush to judge the author, peasants, I, as a constant fighter of divan troops from Kazakhstan, I can say that I am following the events of their Ukraine from the very beginning. I reviewed a bunch of videos and re-read a bunch of articles.

      So I want to say that the supply of weapons was really sluggish, I don’t know what the Kremlin hoped for, maybe it’s going to end ... so this scenario didn’t work.

      The words "The supply of weapons was carried out on a situational basis, before the Nazi attack, there was occasional small arms, after which a large caliber went, but again only in quantities" to support the pants "

      In my analysis and my own opinion, the author only confirmed my assumptions. Heavy weapons began to be delivered only in the last three weeks, after Strelkov left Slavyansk, and it is not clear whether it is stable or drop by drop. Now it seems that there is a technique, but no specialists.
      1. +2
        29 July 2014 11: 24
        Quote: Scandinavian
        Heavy weapons have been supplied only in the last three weeks, after Strelkov’s release from Slavyansk and it is not clear whether it is stable or drop by drop. Now it seems that there is a technique, but there are no specialists.

        Is there a technique, is there a technique; there are specialists or not .... What is the difference now, nahren? It's too late to drink "Borjomi" when the liver is falling off! If everyone is sure that military assistance was provided by Russia, but there were herovo questions: why ? Were you afraid to "light up"? Didn't you have enough intelligence to skillfully lie - "where did the fireballs come from? So our" special forces "are not as skillful and cunning as we" dreamed "after the Crimea? activities of the militia: talk about conscience and justice, bribery, intimidation, sabotage, kidnapping; cut off the water supply, the gas pipeline (blow up the gas pipeline), add drugs to the water, but take the base! But .... "oaks", corruption, "fifth column", "liberasts" under the flag of universal "FSU - zma" rule the country.
  35. zol1
    +1
    29 July 2014 09: 58
    Again, not serving in the army has a very good idea of ​​weapons, i.e. on the one hand it is a setup, but on the other, much is true! The West helps Ukrainians, and Russia is silent in a rag and only dismisses accusations of helping militias!
  36. 0
    29 July 2014 09: 58
    Quote: zheka
    I minus, this is another provocation in the information war!

    Purely in Ukrainian: almost according to ours, which means - another provocation ...
    But I put a plus, sadly! Although an ordinary militia who did not participate in the battles does not know everything, there is a sense in his words. But Strelkov will not say this, because after HIS such words the militia will go home the next day (most likely will leave for Russia).
    Of my two Internet acquaintances living in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, both left for Moscow. So they do not see the point in the war.
    They do not see, and why should Russians see?
    In short: questions, questions ...
  37. 0
    29 July 2014 09: 59
    The article is not straightforward. In any case, a lot seems true that I heard something similar while talking with the guys from Kramatorsk, although in order to judge it is necessary to get more reliable information, and not the reports from the fronts that go to the media. But it is definitely true that now it’s not sweet there and the militias are on the verge of encirclement.
    Therefore, it is simply ridiculous to hear from here about my defeatism and alarmism from the Moscow Shapkozakidans. When there were conditions and grounds, we were not averse to both cheering and bluffing, and even when the situation was fatal, we retained a certain enthusiasm (in Slavyansk I changed comrades at the post with the slogan "The one going to death greets you!") Now there is no ardor at all - not because the situation has worsened (just when it's really bad - the program "fun and scary" will turn on), but because "we were betrayed."

    This message is from 28.07.14/XNUMX/XNUMX. Message from the militia Alexander Zhukovsky.
    You can fully read http://vk.com/strelkov_info
  38. +3
    29 July 2014 09: 59
    tends to call the article a provocation. Firstly, there is a very strange and illogical contrast between the lack of military experience and attempts at analysis. Secondly, a strange awareness for a person who was not even a simple soldier - but so sympathetic.
    Finally, one more detail - there are constantly attempts to vilely hint that all the proteges from the Russian Federation (moreover, they are exclusively brainless) rule everything, but not a word about how it happened that they suddenly began to listen to everything, and I know for sure that without a well-deserved authority is simply impossible. Finally, the last - clear contradictions in the story of the arming of the militias.
    1. +1
      29 July 2014 13: 21
      Quote: yehat
      tends to call the article a provocation. Firstly, there is a very strange and illogical contrast between the lack of military experience and attempts at analysis. Secondly, a strange awareness for a person who was not even a simple soldier - but so sympathetic.


      yes God knows him ..... provocation is not a provocation ....
      The man warned, not, they say ... higher education, but it obliges you to think systematically ...
      the fact that ours behaved "intricately" is a fact that can be overwritten by the words that "we are being provoked", but over time it becomes more and more ashamed ...
      Cossacks didn’t fight on their own .... breathing behind their backs ...
      I didn’t hear about that, I’ll check on the channels ... if it’s true, we got the good from the same "breath" ...

      As for the "Moscow" in the command ... Why don't you put your own people ???? Where are they? Maybe there would have been, and much would have been different? And to "no" - get it and sign it ....
  39. +1
    29 July 2014 10: 00
    "I know that after my article my rating will drop." So what? As you knew, you get it. The main thing in the article in its beginning is: "higher mining, not d.u.r.a.k.". Who would doubt it? laughing
  40. +6
    29 July 2014 10: 01
    And I do not believe this article. This is the same as in 1941-1942 an article would appear in the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda about why not everyone goes to partisans, like - but there you have to dig dugouts yourself, go to reconnaissance yourself, and even then fight yourself, and so on.
  41. shitovmg
    0
    29 July 2014 10: 02
    As always, the truth is somewhere in between !!!
  42. -1
    29 July 2014 10: 02
    Quote: semen777
    ... Original source http://politichanka.livejournal.com/178167.html Article rating1417Watered from one watering can, do not you think ?!

    Do you think everything is wrong?
  43. 0
    29 July 2014 10: 04
    I wrote everything correctly. It is a shame to admit that in addition to Crimea they tried to squeeze Donbass, they tried without obvious interference. It didn't work out - well, to hell with him, the bodies are not ours. It's easier to blame the fifth column on the machinations of the State Department ... But "Putin is doing everything as it should, otherwise it cannot be." - a quote from the above written, takes a soul. Hurray-patriotism ate the brain.
  44. +2
    29 July 2014 10: 05
    Article with a steady smell of Bandera. But here is what New Russia has reduced to disgrace - it is visible to the naked eye.
  45. +1
    29 July 2014 10: 06
    the hypothesis that Putin needed working hands on the construction of the Baikal-Amur Mainline and the mine in Kuzbass has reason.

    At the expense of Kuzbass, the local people grumble, refugees came in large numbers, and so the work itself is not enough.
    So sho in the mines of Kuzbass will manage ourselves.
  46. +3
    29 July 2014 10: 06
    Yes .... And here Russia is to blame. Well, what are you going to do? I remember that Putin suggested that the southeastern residents of Ukraine not be in a hurry to hold a referendum on secession from Ukraine, and therefore he did not promise anyone that troops would be sent to the Donbass. now the 21st century, and the game of war games does not pass as before - it can develop into a world one, and then a nuclear one. The concept of defending Russia provides for the use of nuclear weapons in the event of a danger to the country, and this may be, since NATO is several times stronger than us in high-precision weapons. I agree that a decent number of Russians are participating in the war with the junta, these are patriots, but there are our couch patriots, and even those who are here, who need to show themselves to be just such as there will be no consequences for them, but for Putin and for Oh, how will Russia. And there is nothing to blame on Russians such as this author. Where are your people? Why are they scattering and waiting for the introduction of troops by Russia, why are they not fighting themselves. Russia didn’t build your fascist system in Ukraine, many wanted European integration. What do we have then, that supposedly provoked everything in the Donbass.
  47. -3
    29 July 2014 10: 09
    Thanks to the author for objectivity. It has long been waiting for information directly from the local.
    1. +1
      29 July 2014 11: 57
      Yes, he lives in Harlem!
    2. sergant6776
      0
      29 July 2014 12: 33
      Foreman
      beeFrost (1) RU Today, 10:09 AM

      Thanks to the author for objectivity. It has long been waiting for information directly from the local.



      And who said that this writer is "local" ..))))))))) such a local in the SBU, CIA and FSB floors ..... Soobrazhalovka should work why this local did not write anything before. Know the time has come, the team has arrived ..))))))))) The monkey is .... not local.
  48. Ann
    Ann
    +5
    29 July 2014 10: 09
    the article was written by a pro and I am adding to the troll, the associative series of psychological pressure "played with machine guns like little children" and between the lines - WE ARE FOOLED BY experienced Russian military!
  49. 0
    29 July 2014 10: 11
    Well, the goal is clear, to bleed the country, and even understand why. The question is who will be the first to prepare it.
  50. +9
    29 July 2014 10: 12
    I think that the article is "ordered", and although it is frankly weak for an "information war", it has its own goal, namely, to sow a grain of doubt among some readers.
    1. 0
      29 July 2014 10: 50
      Quote: Citromon
      I think that the article is "ordered", and although it is frankly weak for an "information war", it has its own goal, namely, to sow a grain of doubt among some readers.

      I agree, it seems very likely that this is a new round in the information war, it has not been possible to change public opinion on the ball. Here is a new approach.
  51. Panther45
    +1
    29 July 2014 10: 13
    Если все так плохо,тогда почему еще ополчение воюет,бье противника,уничтожая живую силу и технику?.Подстава-это сам автор который распустил здесь сопли и в штаны нагадил.Люди сражаясь добывают себе оружие,а этому подавай ТопольМ на блюдечке.Тьфуу!!!!!
  52. genybra
    +8
    29 July 2014 10: 13
    Мне кажется товарищи или это хорошо законспирированный провакатор?
    Ибо оперирует он фактами из украинских новостей "оружие тоннами", "чеченцы", "командиры - граждане РФ". Что-то потянуло укровской пропагандой
    Были там британские журналисты - ни того, ни другого, ни тем более третьего.
    Так что уши укросмишные торчат изрядно!

    Теперь о сливе Новороссии пара слов.
    Живу я на границе с Украиной - без подробностей. Войск на границе наших нет, в том смысле, что хрен их кто увидит) Нет ни двух пехотных бригад и батальона ВДВ, нет ни двух артдивизионов. Ничегошеньки нету.
    А да, каждый вечер мне спъяну мерещится что по 2-3 МИ-8 и МИ-24 черного цвета летят через границу туда. Просто я сильно пью, вот и кажется всякое...

    Так что умному достаточно)
  53. +3
    29 July 2014 10: 13
    Толково написана статья, хрен докопаешься по пунктам. Но что-то мне кажется, что лейтмотивом просматривается и внедряется в сознание читателя линия чемодан-вокзал-Россия. Ну и, конечно, Россия виновата.
    Кстати, хотели доказательств присутствия "чеченских батальонов"? Пожалуйста, очевидец свидетельствует:
    спрашиваем знакомого чеченца,
    Это ваще шедевр. Типа, все пропало, "сепаратистам-террористам" пора валить.
    может, кто-то обладает информацией по поводу вахт на горнодобывающие в Республику Коми? Напишите мне.
    И что-то мне эта статья напомнила письмена внучки (чи дочки) морского офицера из Севастополя.
    Насчет нехватки оружия. Кто реально хотел получить оружие, тот пошел и took его. А если не было такого желания - так , может, и не стоит.
  54. qwe11
    +1
    29 July 2014 10: 15
    На самом деле там оружия дали ровно столько сколько нужны было что бы захватить ближайший склад с оружие, а дальше принцип снежного кома
  55. DPZ
    +1
    29 July 2014 10: 19
    верю автору. и спасибо за статью.
    меня посещают порой аналогичные автору мысли. не пойму одного: для чего это было сделано? зачем?
  56. +2
    29 July 2014 10: 21
    статейка провокацией попахивает
  57. +5
    29 July 2014 10: 22
    Скажу, свою точку зрения... Россия действительно, сначала хотел помочь и по мелочи помощь пошла, но скорее всего в Кремле еще не понимали как все повернется и что покажет референдум. Все высказывания ВВП, на тот момент были весьма резки и тоже провоцировали на действия. Что случилось, после памятной встречи с швейцарцем, наверно не узнаем ни когда. Именно тогда, власть вообще перестала говорить о Новороссии, отделывая изредка невнятными фразами.
    Так что, скорее всего вынужденное предательство. И теперь нас будут давить и давить, что в принципе и делают не прерывно. А вместо хоть какого то внятного и адекватного ответа, Кремль трындит исключительно о партнерах, занимаясь по сути, спасением своей власти, любой ценой. А цена уже не маленькая сложилась и будет еще дороже.
  58. Don barbosa
    +4
    29 July 2014 10: 23
    Смысл статьи, как я его вижу:
    -опять во всем виновата Россия
    -если бы не Российские провокаторы, все было бы тихо и спокойно
    -с хорошим оружием автор воевать согласен, с плохим -нет
    -вот если бы Россия ввела свои войска, тогда бы и миллионы диванных ополченцев встали в строй
    -а сейчас пора сваливать, обвиняя как обычно во всем Русских.

    Статья похожа на заказную, нет ощущения, что автор участник событий. От себя прокомментирую. В маленькой Южной Осетии все мужское население встало на защиту своей земли. Они не ныли, ничего не требовали от России, они поступали как мужчины. И Россия пришла на помощь народу, который встал на свою защиту. А где народ Донбаса? Жалко будет, если погибнут герои и не останется больше на юго-востоке настоящих мужиков.
    1. +2
      29 July 2014 10: 38
      Quote: Don Barbosa
      В маленькой Южной Осетии все мужское население встало на защиту своей земли. Они не ныли, ничего не требовали от России, они поступали как мужчины. И Россия пришла на помощь народу, который встал на свою защиту.

      That's it.
  59. DPZ
    +3
    29 July 2014 10: 26
    зря на автора и статью накинулись. подумайте сами: Стрелков сказал что сводок от него больше не будет. видно совсем печально дело. и шапкозакидательство с нашим диванным урапатриотизмом эту войну не вывезет. нужна ДОСТАТОЧНАЯ помощь ХОРОШИМ оружием, а на это нам не насобирать, да и супермаркете не купишь!
  60. +1
    29 July 2014 10: 27
    Была бы возможность - 10 жёстких минусов: статейка опытного провокатора, но состряпанная по быстрому, потому и "уши" везде торчат. А основная мысль, которая запихивается в подсознание - проклятая Россия во всём виновата...
    Тошнотворное творение про.п.и.н.д.осского провокатора.
  61. +3
    29 July 2014 10: 28
    Про БАМ и шахты в Кузбасе это что-то новенькое. Так то у нас и своих рук в принципе хватит, да и таджиков с азербайджанцами дофига, не стоит это того, чтобы войну развязывать.
  62. +1
    29 July 2014 10: 30
    Да господи, конечно же заказное.Ни один идейный ополченец, особенно из тех у кого хунта убила родственников, такого я думаю не напишет. Они сами говорят, что будут воевать с фашистами хоть с Россией хоть без нее.
  63. omito
    +3
    29 July 2014 10: 31
    Статья странная. Я служил, и очень сильно интересуюсь военное техникой и всем, что связано с армией. Знаю отдельные ТТХ и очень много о применении. Практически про любой тип вооружения могу рассказать очень интересную историю (кроме ракет ПВО и кораблей). Но...
    Я практически не знаю индексов
    Я многое знаю про "корнет", но я не знаю как он правильно называется, я очень много (для не специалиста) знаю про "Гвоздику" но не помню ее индекс. Я даже не помню, как правильно называется наш Бтр (РХ), хотя на нем служил.

    А тут автор называет 2Б11. Честно я не знаю что - это за оружие.
    1. +1
      29 July 2014 12: 25
      Quote: omito
      А тут автор называет 2Б11. Честно я не знаю что - это за оружие.

      Это 120 мм миномет.
      В стандартной комплектации 120-мм минометный комплекс 2С12А "Сани-А" состоит из модернизированного 120-мм миномета 2Б11, колесного хода 2Л81, одиночного комплекта ЗИП на миномет и транспортной машины 2Ф510А на базе Урала.
    2. 0
      29 July 2014 12: 33
      Илья, плюс 100! В такой же ситуации, думаю дочитаю коменты буду в инете искать .
  64. +4
    29 July 2014 10: 31
    Ну что, ждем майдана в России?! Только нашим элитам при таких раскладах не следуует ждать поддержки со стороны населения. Когда эти элиты мечутся между предать или не предать, то именно это и дает в итоге подставу. Чертовы балаболы и Путин в том числе. Наобещали людям помощь, ввод войск, если будут русских убивать. И на этом фоне подставили под убой. Правда что сказали "А", не сказав "Б". Если хотели решить без ввода войск, то альтернативное решение должно было быть просто "абсолютно" достаточным. А как сейчас - подорвали доверие всех пророссийских сил. Может быть я ошибаюсь в оценках, но это мое искреннее видение. Верно некоторые тут в комментах заметили, что весьма схожа ситуация с предательством и подставами времен чеченской кампании... Только и могут, что блеять в сторону запада и ни одного смелого действия...
  65. mihasik
    +3
    29 July 2014 10: 33
    По "Вести24" в аналитическом очерке о причинах мировых войн и нынешнего украинского кризиса, вчера вечером прозвучала примерно такая фраза: "...Погибнут тысячи человек, но это лучше чем то, если погибнут сотни тысяч или миллионы людей..." Вывод из телеочерка: Потеря Юго-Востока лучше чем начало Третьей мировой. Вот так то! Это не вброс. Смотрите новости.
    1. +1
      29 July 2014 11: 05
      Конечно, гораздо проще предать россиян и Россию, прогнуться под запад, сохранив бабло и свои бизнес-интересы. Думается, что слив России также будет через кровь россиян и социальный геноцид. Готовимся к возврату в 90-ые...
    2. 0
      29 July 2014 12: 21
      На третью мировую заокеанские упыри не решаться. Политическая и экономическая изоляция - на это ставка делается.
  66. tokin1959
    +5
    29 July 2014 10: 34
    Была бы возможность - 10 жёстких минусов: статейка опытного провокатора


    why not?
    что наблюдаем на деле?
    о чем пишут и говорит Стрелков?
    что из 20 РПГ не получается выстрела.
    что нет почти тяжелого вооружения и нечем бить танки.
    что нет политической поддержки от России.
    что ополчение повсюду отступает, несмотря на героизм.
  67. DPZ
    0
    29 July 2014 10: 49
    кстати вот рядом статейка "почему мужчины Донбасса не хотят воевать" вот уж толи заказуха толи тупость или еще что - но точно провокационная и дестабилизирующая настрой масс.
    а здесь нормально написано. в вооружении если не то разберется на месте. так что не удивительно что маркировки да цифры пишет. с марта в строю!
  68. 0
    29 July 2014 10: 50
    Что то автор ЗАБОЙЩИК финтит.
    Пишет, что не служил и профан в армейских делах, используют только как проводника, а сам относительно свободно использует военную терминологию.
    Какие познания для горного инженера: и миномет 2Б11, и индексы противотанковых средств, и МЗ (механизм заряжания) танка и т.д.
    И опять виновата Россия. прямо как Псаки.
    I do not believe the article.
  69. +2
    29 July 2014 10: 54
    Статья психологически грамотно написана очень тонко бьет по болевым точкам (и тем и этим) если судить что мнения разделились почти поровну..( я сперва повелся а потом врешь не возьмешь..)))) Почитать было интересно.. hi Ничего не поставил...
  70. trojan74
    +2
    29 July 2014 10: 57
    Смешались люди-кони это понятно..... Но многие коменты меня поражают, не могу понять то ли сильно "залеченные" пропутинской пропагандой, то ли троли. Да я сам разделяю внешную политику путина, но позвольте когда в верхах хотят и вашим и нашим, а при этом много жертв со стороны мирного населения то это не спланированная операция в отношении крыма, а пофигизм высшего руководства на простых людей. И не надо говорить про гениальность плана путина и про то, что статья заказная, сгоняйте сами, а потом пишите. Истина где то рядом.....
  71. 0
    29 July 2014 10: 59
    Похоже статью написал засланец, по другому выходит верить руководству ополчения и их сводкам нельзя. Но все же поставлю что статья вброс.
    1. tyumen901
      0
      29 July 2014 11: 03
      засланец через "р" тут надо писать.
    2. +2
      29 July 2014 11: 07
      Нет, все проще... Просто либералы победили... Теперь и сама Россия пойдет по украинскому сценарию. Вернемся в 90-ые с новыми горячими точками типа Чечни. А патриотов именно там и аннигилируют.
  72. tyumen901
    0
    29 July 2014 11: 00
    жирный минусбля статье
  73. 0
    29 July 2014 11: 04
    Русичи!Отставить!упадническое настроение,держать строй!Если мы будем так быстро обнулять смыслы,терять присутствие духа,и веру в конечную победу Русского мира,тогда можно сразу идти и сдаватся на милость запада и матрасников.
  74. +1
    29 July 2014 11: 12
    Согласен Россия ждет побед и реляций от ополченцев,сама плохо вооружает войска ДНР и ЛНР,может не надо было все затевать,все это зря ,попусту проведенное время,жалко разрушенные города
  75. ask
    ask
    0
    29 July 2014 11: 18
    Такое ощущение, что автор сам не знает зачем пошел воевать.
  76. +2
    29 July 2014 11: 20
    Советую подписаться на канал Шария в ютубе, правду мужик пытается донести (точнее он даже не правду доносит, а ищет ложь и не стыковки у укросми)
  77. -1
    29 July 2014 11: 20
    Смутила фраза про "знакомого чеченца".
    Статья провокация. Но ведь часть этой провокации - чистая правда.
    И колебания и непоследовательность Путина и прозападное пресмыкание правящего алигорхата, и не оправдавшиеся надежды на "крымский сценарий", и недостаток оружия, и фото некоторых "ополценцев" явно выдающих их полнейшую военную некомпетентность, и разношерстность и разномастица идейной базы (одни с иконами и хоругвиями, другие за "русский мир", третьи из Москвы, четвертые "казаки").
    И самое главное то, что бездарно упущен подходящий момент для разрешения всей этой "жо пы" под названием Украина. И в этом я тоже виню Путина. Это им упущен момент. Это он должен был сказать усе-о-о! И не сказал...
    Мне кажется Путин повторяет ошибку Януковича, побоявшись уничтожить все в зародыше, он только повысил цену решения.
  78. +1
    29 July 2014 11: 21
    К сожалению, очень сильно похоже на правду!И многое объясняет.Херня началась со сбитого 76 под Луганском, дальше больше!А когда Стрелок из Славянска выскочил, вообще цирк!Так и знал, блудняк это а не война!!!!
  79. +1
    29 July 2014 11: 22
    Господа из Украины я надеюсь, вы проснетесь и встанете плечом к плечу с Россией, вы должны понять независимо от того,что говорит из телевизора Европа,США и др.мы единое целое, Европа приносила на нашу землю только мириады слез, мой знакомый из Липецка уже погиб 26 мая в Донецке в аэропорту ему было 22 года http://gorod48.ru/news/249870/, Царство ему небесное. А вы все ждете нас ей когда придем, построим, запустим.
  80. Nikolav
    +1
    29 July 2014 11: 28
    Автор, предательство или подстава?
  81. goryacheff2013
    +2
    29 July 2014 11: 29
    Так как являюсь простым диванным чайником, предлагаю: 1.Все гражданское население эвакуировать на 50км. от границы с Украиной. 2.Наших героических пограничников и таможенников поставить за ними с плакатами "Граница на замке!". 3.На пропускные пункты посадить поляков с литовцами под эгидой ОБСЕ. Тогда на Украину и таракан не проползет, не то что танк. Запад будет доволен. 4.МИД распустить. Вместо министра ИД посадить попугая, знающего 2 слова: "Недопустимо-недопустимо" и "Перреговорры-перреговорры". Огромная экономия средств получится! 5.Передать Украине, в качестве компенсации за Крым, вооружение и БП с наших складов то, которое еще не успели украсть или взорвать. А то мы, как собака на сене, а дядьки нэхай побалують. Запад будет очень доволен. 6.Сам Крым подарить Турции. Не надо будет гадать где лучше отдыхать, да и Украина не рискнет с Турцией ссориться. ЗАПАД БУДЕТ ЕЩЕ ДОВОЛЬНЕЕ! 7. МО провести очередные маневры где нибудь в Бурятии. (Ближе нельзя - вдруг Штаты заругаются). Тема "Высадка Генерального Штаба на необорудованное побережье оз. Байкал на шашлыки." 8.Шойгу можно тихо поплакать в своем кабинете. 9.Нашим доблестным десантникам 2 августа войти в книгу рекордов Гинесса по количеству разбитых о свою голову бутылок (или кирпичей). А, если серьезно, все, что сейчас происходит - позорище полное! Совершенно бездарная, соплежуйская, трусливо-страусиная политика. Кто писает - тот погибает! Стыдно за себя и за свою страну!
  82. dmb
    +1
    29 July 2014 11: 31
    Допустим, как вопят псевдопатриоты, статья заказная. Но тогда уж будьте добры, опровергните написанное и не пустопорожними воплями: "Путин мудр" и "Сами виноваты", а доказательно. Никого из "патриотов" не смущает, что российская компания, добывая нашу нефть, снабжает ей фактически враждебную нам Украину, или что запрет на импорт сельхозпродукции вводится только сейчас, или что конфетки Порошенко продолжают производиться нашими предприятиями. Воюют простые люди, а наша власть вместе с украинской бизнесом занимается.
  83. +3
    29 July 2014 11: 34
    В объективности статьи можно и сомневаться, но то что Россия подставила и бросила ополченцев - факт. Стыд и позор.
  84. +2
    29 July 2014 11: 40
    Зря на автора накинулись. Одно и тоже событие можно описать очень по-разному, и каждое описание, будет, по-сути верно. И я не верю, что статья провокация и что автор не прав в оценках событий. Судя по вчерашнему измученному виду Стрелкова на пресс-конфиренции - сопротивление попытке окружить Донецк далось очень и очень дорого. А главное нет никакой надежды на то, что это наступление будет последним. Города обстреливаются, мирные жители гибнут или бегут, инфраструктура региона методично разрушается, ополчение вынужденно отступает... И надежды нет на то, что это кончится. Сложно на этом фоне ждать от людей эмоционального подъема. И можете сколько угодно минусовать - но я тоже считаю, что Россия ответственна за судьбу ДНР и ЛНР. Взгоношили людей, дали им надежду, а потом тупо кинули. Так не делается, кто-бы что тут не говорил. Единственное чего не понял из текста - за Дебальцево бои до сих пор идут, его-же ещё не сдали, хотя дорога конечно перерезана...
  85. 0
    29 July 2014 11: 48
    Я почему то не верю, что нам дадут отсидеться без войны. Гады работают нагло и умно. Боинг, обстрелы Ростовской области, информационная война. Эх где наши спецслужбы. могли бы организовать еще одну отвлекающую войну в карпатах, пусть румыны и венгры то же повоюют
  86. komrad.klim
    +1
    29 July 2014 11: 52
    ЧуднАя статья! (минус)

    С чего всё началось. 3 марта...
    ...Перед этим 3 мая в Антрацит вошли казаки...

    А что было 2 месяца с 3 марта по 3 мая автор не знает!

    Технически можно было завозить эшелоны, граница была открыта полностью почти три месяца...

    What kind of nonsense?
    Уже в начале марта была проблема вьезда на Украину (меня несколько раз разворачивали укро-таможенники в марте, ограничение было для мужчин возрастом до 50 лет)


    Козицин сотоварищи уже кушают «Путинку» в Ростове. Наши сотники да есаулы тоже смылись, все блокпосты по линии Харьков — Ростов сняты.

    А вот ряженным казачкам-петушкам веры с моей стороны никогда не было.
  87. dsi777
    +1
    29 July 2014 11: 55
    Статья весьма эмоциональна. И в этом вся проблема. Потому что эмоции мешают видеть действительность объективно. Но автора можно понять, т. к. находясь в тех условиях в которых они находятся, неизбежны сомнения, чувство предательства. Всегда лезут всякие нехорошие мысли. Однако, следует смотреть на вещи более хладнокровно. В статье есть несколько моментов, которые вызывают вопросы:
    1 "Итак, именно правительство России спровоцировало переход сопротивления в вооруженную стадию, никто меня не убедит, что казаки купили оружие в военторге и свободно перевезли через границу РФ. Кстати, именно через них шла та тонкая струйка оружия, и они занимались его распределением."
    А что? Разве так трудно достать в России оружие. Я напомню,что долгое время в Чечне шла война. И я не думаю, что все оружие, которое там было, все найдено и изъято. До сих пор регулярно там находят тайники с оружием и боекомплектом начиная от пистолетов и заканчивая гранатометами. На днях, например, обнаружили тайник с оружием в 1,5 тонны. Далеко не все оружие сдано чеченцами воевавшие против федеральных войск. Наверняка им известны расположения тайников. Что мешает это оружие направить в Украину? В общем и на международном рынке несложно приобрести любое оружие, если знаешь каналы. Учитывая, что среди добровольцев много отставных спецназовцев и сотрудников спецслужб, думаю эти каналы им хорошо известны. Поэтому организовать все это дело могли люди совершенно самостоятельно без участия Москвы. Москва помогала лишь тем, что не препятствовала этому процессу. Потому так много командиров, которые сами по себе и нет единого центра.

    2. "ведь его все равно везли, сейчас уже время секретов кончилось, БТР, БМП, «Град» перевозят в кузовах большегрузных авто, накрыв брезентом, в том числе и через границу"
    Наверное вы не являетесь свидетелем этих перевозок и лишь ретранслируете слухи, которые у вас там ходят. Потому данной информации доверия нет. Без комментариев...

    3. "Казаки, объявляя мобилизацию, клялись нам что не позднее 26 мая российские войска будут здесь, но они могли бы дать хотя бы оружие. Это не только мое мнение, так думают даже русские добровольцы, с кем я разговаривал."
    А что казаки являются агентами из Москвы. Они, скорее всего, по собственной инициативе все организовали. Обещали же не потому что у них был такая информация из Москвы, а потому что сами в это верили.

    4. "Никто не понимает, что же такое творится, похоже, гипотеза о том, что Путину понадобились рабочие руки на строительстве БАМа и шахты в Кузбассе, имеет основания"
    Я, думаю, вам известно, что России грозят санкции, а это потери в сотни миллиардов долларов. Часть санкций уже ведены. Также водятся не объявленные санкции. Из-за кризиса на Украине рост российской экономики замедлился до 1%. Это уже потери сотни миллиардов долларов для России. Неужели вы думаете, что дешевая рабочая сила из Украины окупит эти потери. Я, думаю, что в Москве еще не разучились считать. Поэтому ваши подозрения не имеют оснований. Если бы Россия хотела кинуть вас, то она бы давно это сделала избежав осложнений на мировых рынках. Россия уже платит очень большую цену за поддержу восставших украинцев и ваши настроения там, думаю, на руку только врагу. Ими же, вероятно, такие настроения и всякие слухи поддерживаются.
  88. -3
    29 July 2014 11: 56
    Статью писал " внук офицера ВМФ СССР " с фейсом , чёрным , як чобот !
  89. 0
    29 July 2014 11: 57
    Quote: vjatsergey
    Something a suspicious article, it did not seem to serve, did not participate in the battles, and it pours on military terms and knowledge of the materiel of military equipment. I have vague doubts about this article.

    И меня терзают смутные сомнения... Получается, "не виноватая я, он сам пришёл!"
  90. d.davydov
    0
    29 July 2014 11: 58
    Да, похоже, подстава. И не зря Стрелков ненавидит ряженых плясунов.
    Но, если есть оружие, оно чрезвычайно нуно Стрелкову. Пусть он его скорее забирает!
  91. 0
    29 July 2014 12: 01
    Кстати, может, кто-то обладает информацией по поводу вахт
    на горнодобывающие в Республику Коми? Напишите мне.

    После этих слов стало все понятно. Объясню. Человек на войне ни когда не использует ноты сарказма в свих речах. Им там нет места. Война делает человека серьезнее, натягивает его как струну. Считаю что материал подставной. Отработан идеально. Ну или почти идеально если бы не сарказм в конце сам бы поверил.
  92. 0
    29 July 2014 12: 05
    а какая польза кремлю от победы Новороссии? они все меряют баблом за газ, а тут с этого голяк
  93. 0
    29 July 2014 12: 14
    Я вообще считаю, что самая большая ошибка Путина в том, что войска начал отводить от нашей собственной границы! Очень уж показушно! Если бы войска никуда не отводились, и до сих пор стояли бы в полной готовности у границы, может и войны бы не было...
  94. 0
    29 July 2014 12: 16
    Кажется мой мозг только что поимели. Вроде правдиво так написано, но как-то странно. В руках автомат не держал, но колонны проводит дорогами чуть ли не под носом у вражин. Все что про Россию, вообще одно унынье. У меня вопрос, причем тут вообще Россия? На две области не нашлось оружия? Домой они там видите ли разошлись, делать было нечего на блокпостах. Какой-то гoвновброс.
  95. -1
    29 July 2014 12: 33
    давайте, боевые хомячки, ставьте плюсики статейке. осенью вас под эти песни поведут на майдан на красной площади.
    1. -1
      29 July 2014 12: 47
      Да нет, это-же очень удобно - можно творить какие угодно косяки, пороть что хочешь - а потом народ майданом запугивать - типа если не мы, то революция... Действительно блестящий ход. И возразить-то нечем, выбор между плохим и очень плохим.
  96. 0
    29 July 2014 13: 16
    Да конечно болтун что еще сказать про него да и аудитория все прекрасно понимает!
  97. 0
    29 July 2014 13: 16
    поливал, поливал грязью, а в конце ему вахта и работа в России... щаааасссс кинулись
  98. 0
    29 July 2014 13: 19
    Хреново чувствую себя после таких статей...
  99. 0
    29 July 2014 13: 20
    Вот не хотел,но объясните мне деревенскому лоху 1.Политика России по отношению к Новороссии.2.Наша политика к Украине 3. Если завтра война
  100. 0
    29 July 2014 13: 22
    И да забыл почему мы боимся открыто об этом сказать хотя бы самим себе?

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