Does Russia need a national idea? (poll)

What should be the national idea of ​​Russia?

The Russian national idea should be supranational, creating a great civic nation, equal rights for all, regardless of nationality and religion - 404 (47.14%)
47.14%
Create a new content through the new political structure of society (monarchy, socialism, communism, or some other) - 206 (24.04%)
24.04%
"Russia for Russians", Disconnect the Caucasus, etc. - 134 (15.64%)
15.64%
Become a leader "everywhere and in everything" (B.Gryzlov, State Duma Speaker) - 51 (5.95%)
5.95%
No national idea is needed - everything happens by itself - 20 (2.33%)
2.33%
Your version is 42 (4.9%)
4.9%



National idea. What is this concept that modern state officials of our country like to operate with so much, putting it at the heart of the population's welfare?

I will make a reservation right away, I believe in the need for such an idea.

Oddly enough, the very concept of this term is given to very few.

In particular, the philosopher V.Soloviev defines it as follows: "The idea of ​​a nation is not what it thinks of itself in time, but what God thinks of it in eternity." It’s probably better not to say so.

It is impossible not to agree with Solzhenitsyn that this is the idea of ​​the desired lifestyle in the country, which owns its population. Although the “Vermont Elder” began to talk about it in the 89 year of life, clearly aware of its “contribution” to the defeat that our people suffered in connection with the advent of the “era of democracy and glasnost”. For if we compare the size of the Stalinist repressions (and among the repressed there were quite a few who were obvious enemies not only of Stalin personally, but of our country) with what was created with us since 1987, then Joseph Vissarionovich may seem just an angel.

Well, God bless them both. There is also the concept of the term “National Idea” in the philosophical encyclopedia, where it is said that it defines the meaning of the existence of a people, an ethnic group or a nation, and is a systematic generalization of national self-consciousness. So maybe Leonid Brezhnev was not so stupid when he spoke about the “Soviet people”?

What are the ways of creating a common desired lifestyle? They, in my opinion, not so much. First we see now. As he rallied the people, we also see, and to believe that the continuation of this way of dividing people into rich and poor, deepening the gap between them will lead to the unity of the nation can only be very naive people (there are no naive people there, more and more rogues).

The second is the one we used to go to the first. I think he is the only true. There are not many liberals among the readers of the Military Review, but they are still there. Therefore, in anticipation of howls and spitting in your address, I will try to justify my position for a more sane part.

I immediately begin to point the finger over the ocean. Here, they say, where he is - the true path. Let's not forget that it is not over yet, and no one can predict the current crisis for a country living in debt. Let us not forget that the economic state of America is largely the result of its aggressive policy, waging wars on foreign territory and the plundering of other countries and peoples. Is our people capable of this? Hardly. The mentality is different, and he will never become American.

None of the unlearned teachers of Marxist-Leninist philosophy, who now proudly call themselves political scientists, does not deny the theory of social evolution, in the course of which a social form emerges that is qualitatively different from the previous one. They do not dispute the theory of progress, according to which humanity is developing incrementally and one form of society is replaced by another, more progressive. So capitalism is not the final stage. Which is next, political scientists do not give an answer (most likely, for the reason I mentioned).

At the same time, proceeding not only from the theory of Marxism-Leninism, but also from the statement of the same Solzhenitsyn, this is socialism, which, perhaps, will replace communism. Yes, in its initial period socialism is not a gift. But who can tell me at least one formation that in the initial period of its development would not differ from its final stage? Or have everyone forgotten how hired labor was used in the stronghold of democracy — Britain? Or did the latter not shoot cannons for shooting? Or maybe the genocide of the indigenous people of America is in his own good?

There is a third way. “Russian nationalists” like Belkovsky say a lot about him. Disconnect the Caucasus, etc. It is possible, but then it will not be Russia, and she will no longer need the national idea.
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  1. S.N.M.
    S.N.M. 8 July 2011 10: 10 New
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    A national idea is needed.
    Only she should answer only the interests of the people, and not the interests of the so-called "elites". This means that such an idea can be developed only by patriotic, reasonable and respected representatives of society. It should replace the Constitution.
    The implementation of any global idea from those in power will cause additional damage to Russia.
  2. akvald 8 July 2011 10: 40 New
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    What I respect the Americans - They do not abandon their!
    Somewhere in the world of American tourists offend? even if they try, the fleet will immediately appear at the borders. And it’s hard to imagine what is going on at the UN! And the USSR. Yes, and the same Russia, that it’s not what you’d like to say even now. Therefore, they are afraid to touch the Americans, but Russians, as they did not respect, do not respect. Probably, except for those who were “fed from the hands of the Kremlin”, until those as long as the USSR was strong.
    They were afraid to touch the USSR under Stalin, and even under Khrushchev, although they did not spit in the eyes, as openly as under the current regime.
    I am ashamed of Russia!
  3. Rashid 8 July 2011 11: 03 New
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    So far, our leaders have their own national idea - “Steal Everything.”
  4. alebor 8 July 2011 12: 39 New
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    For me, the expression "Russian national" sounds like an absurdity. It can be "Russian national", "Tatar national", "Koryak national", that is, associated with a specific nation. Now we have the traditional meaning of the word "nation" often began to replace the meaning of the English word nation, which does not fully coincide with the usual meaning of our word and in addition to the people, ethnos may have the meaning: country, citizenship. For example, if in Soviet times they said: “there are more than 100 nations and nationalities living in the RSFSR”, then after the collapse of the USSR, the speeches of leaders often began to sound: “The Russian nation”. It is not clear how miraculously in the 1991 year, dozens of nations living in Russia suddenly turned into one single one? Do they have that, at the time of collapse, a single national identity arose at once? And then it is not clear why national republics are needed in Russia, if we have one nation, because they (republics) were created by the Bolsheviks on the basis of the doctrine: "On the right of nations to self-determination"?
  5. Konstantm 8 July 2011 13: 09 New
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    It's time in the passport to return the line of nationality. And then we all depersonalized. We don’t remember the roots, we forget the nationality.
  6. Petrol 8 July 2011 14: 03 New
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    a tree cannot live without roots ... the era of the fox ends, the era of the wolf (or the decline of the Iron Age of the Kali_yug era) begins in Pushkin’s fairy tale "Ruslan and Lud_mil" and everything is described in detail, the key to understanding in Vasnetsov’s picture seems to be ....
  7. RUSICH
    RUSICH 8 July 2011 14: 47 New
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    100% agree with SNM
  8. popeye
    popeye 8 July 2011 16: 15 New
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    Specialists of the Ministry of Health of Kabardino-Balkaria will soon provide all the necessary assistance to a 14-year-old girl who was raped by a group of men for three months, a ministry spokeswoman told RIA Novosti on Friday.

    “Undoubtedly, we will provide all the necessary help - both psychological and psychotherapeutic, and, if necessary, obstetric and gynecological,” the agency’s interlocutor said.

    According to her, it is planned that on Friday doctors of the local hospital will arrive at the girl, and then she will be sent for examination to the medical consultative and diagnostic center in Nalchik. “There is a psychologist and a special psychotherapist working with adolescents,” the representative of the Ministry of Health said.

    The fact that the girl needs the help of a psychologist, on Thursday RIA Novosti was informed by the mother of the teenager, according to which, the family has no funds for this.

    In the spring of this year, a 14-year-old girl who arrived in Kabardino-Balkaria from the Kursk region began to linger after school, and once did not come to sleep. After that, young people came to call the girl from home, who arrived in cars that threatened her mother with violence if her daughter did not go out to them. The woman tried to call the police, but she did not come. Later, the daughter told her mother that she had been repeatedly taken to the workshop in the village and raped by 15 people. In this case, the teenager was beaten and tied next to the dog.

    Investigators opened a criminal case under part 3 of article 131 (rape) and part 1 of article 134 (sexual intercourse with a person under 16 years of age) of the Criminal Code. Their sanctions provide for up to 15 and up to four years in prison, respectively.

    In a telephone conversation with a RIA Novosti correspondent, the girl’s mother confirmed these facts, adding only that there were more than 15 rapists. She said that one of the rapists was identified.
  9. Vlad and the world
    Vlad and the world 8 July 2011 16: 18 New
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    I fully agree with the author of the article.
  10. popeye
    popeye 8 July 2011 16: 18 New
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    Specialists of the Ministry of Health of Kabardino-Balkaria will soon provide all the necessary assistance to a 14-year-old girl who was raped by a group of men for three months, a ministry spokeswoman told RIA Novosti on Friday.

    “Undoubtedly, we will provide all the necessary help - both psychological and psychotherapeutic, and, if necessary, obstetric and gynecological,” the agency’s interlocutor said.

    According to her, it is planned that on Friday doctors of the local hospital will arrive at the girl, and then she will be sent for examination to the medical consultative and diagnostic center in Nalchik. “There is a psychologist and a special psychotherapist working with adolescents,” the representative of the Ministry of Health said.

    The fact that the girl needs the help of a psychologist, on Thursday RIA Novosti was informed by the mother of the teenager, according to which, the family has no funds for this.

    In the spring of this year, a 14-year-old girl who arrived in Kabardino-Balkaria from the Kursk region began to linger after school, and once did not come to sleep. After that, young people came to call the girl from home, who arrived in cars that threatened her mother with violence if her daughter did not go out to them. The woman tried to call the police, but she did not come. Later, the daughter told her mother that she had been repeatedly taken to the workshop in the village and raped by 15 people. In this case, the teenager was beaten and tied next to the dog.

    Investigators opened a criminal case under part 3 of article 131 (rape) and part 1 of article 134 (sexual intercourse with a person under 16 years of age) of the Criminal Code. Their sanctions provide for up to 15 and up to four years in prison, respectively.

    In a telephone conversation with a RIA Novosti correspondent, the girl’s mother confirmed these facts, adding only that there were more than 15 rapists. She said that one of the rapists was identified.

    Russian people tell me, why do we need all this black __ scum in Russian cities?
    1. SAVA
      SAVA 9 July 2011 18: 05 New
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      HERE LET THERE COOPS AND SHOW HIMSELF WITH ITS ATTITUDE TO SEPARENTS, DO NOT AGREE NOT TO TAKE MONEY FOR THE TERMINATION OF THE CASE, WITHDRAW ALL THE PEOPLE TO THE "ZONE" AND WILL EXECUTE IT WITH YOURSELF " THERE WERE THEM, ONE TIME THAT OTHERS WILL DO THOUGHT
  11. Tankograd-malkin
    Tankograd-malkin 8 July 2011 16: 42 New
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    All who whine about the separation of the Caucasus from Russia themselves have forgotten their roots and do not remember where the Russian land is from! I am Russian and was in the Caucasus in two wars of Karabakh 1989-1993 and the 2nd Chechen. And what kind of -removed- can say that the Russian soldiers were defeated in each of these feuds? The army was constantly put in a position of reconciliation, and the task of the Russian Army according to Suvorov was a quick and decisive rout of any probable enemy! To reconcile and smooth out inter-racial conflicts is a matter for politicians and the Ministry of Emergencies. Therefore, the Russian soldier needs to set real tasks and then he has no equal! The 2nd Chechen war is a confirmation of this - when they didn’t agree with the Pindos and put in place the compelling arguments of the Rooks, the Su-25 and Grad attack aircraft, then for some reason, the Nokhs immediately went off! I'm not saying goodbye yet.
  12. Tankograd-malkin
    Tankograd-malkin 8 July 2011 16: 53 New
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    Now about the history of Russia! We somehow decided to keep a report of Russian statehood from Rurik, while forgetting the Russian ruler Svyatogor who ruled Roskolany in the 6th century AD. And the state of Raskolan was located exactly on the territory of the North Caucasus, where at that time one half-tribe of Scythians lived together from which today's Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Ossetians (Alans) and, of course, Slavic-speaking Cossacks came out! Cossacks are an amazing people supranational because they are not people but a military caste not subject to racial and national barriers. Since ancient times, they entered the Cossacks not on a national basis, but on a military outfit! I have not finished yet.
  13. AlexiusKit 8 July 2011 17: 04 New
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    Chm, subscribe to every word ... winked
  14. orth
    orth 8 July 2011 17: 49 New
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    For some reason they don’t remember the movement of the Slavophiles, who had long formulated the Russian idea - Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality. And if you define yourself in the world, then it is even easier - Moscow - the Third Rome. Center of civilization opposing the cannibalistic West. Of course, the supranational nature of such a civilization is implied.
  15. Nikolay-
    Nikolay- 8 July 2011 18: 22 New
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    You can practice the verbiage about the "high" for a long time. Or it can be simpler: the state should reflect the interests of the vast majority of citizens. If a person knows that the state in which he lives fairly defends his interests, that this is HIS STATE, then he will easily find a state idea for himself. Even if each of us has his own idea, if only it works for the common good.
  16. Cynic
    Cynic 8 July 2011 19: 11 New
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    The survey is necessary, only the topics are incorrectly compiled. And that is weakly said!
    PS "Russia for Russians", Disconnect the Caucasus, etc.
    Ha, who voted for it in no way about the separation of the Caucasus, etc. did not think.
    Why engage in self-deception!?
  17. pon34
    pon34 9 July 2011 05: 35 New
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    I think that apart from the people themselves, no one will help him. look- http: //party-narod.rf/ - we are not specialists in this, so do not judge if that. but I believe that the people themselves need to take control of the government and the country, otherwise the government controls everything in their personal interests. the national idea is the PEOPLE OF THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY, AUTHORITY - THE SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE ... something like that. people are passive, clogged, patriotism is destroyed, and I think people will rise if they begin to understand that they are not the last in this country ...
  18. Pinocchio
    Pinocchio 9 July 2011 07: 01 New
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    Yes ...... everything in our head is messed up, everything is mixed up. Everything is as usual. Some questions, like ... what to do? .... after having done nonsense. How many centuries are already tormented. We can’t live with the Khachs anywhere, but they are with us, but without the Caucasus it’s not Russia anymore. In order to somehow comprehend the present, and not to get on the same rake, we begin to rummage in the distant depths of history. Lost Belarus and Ukraine. Georgia, which we saved from extermination (and not only it), spat on us and sneezed, but without Kakaz in any way. We boost huge money there, pay compensation, and thereby develop national parasitism and what's the point. Yes, it’s better to give money than the young lives of our boys. But what next, and the world does not smell. You get used to the good quickly, you do not want to lose such a life support. If there is a war, then our Caucasian friends will not go to war with us for Russia. Again, as always, we will be alone, alone with the enemy.
    1. Marat
      Marat 9 July 2011 23: 38 New
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      No, you won’t find yourself. Some Ossetians just what they cost in World War II! Yes, and many other nations have contributed to the defense of the country. The Russian empire has always been multinational and for centuries with enemies from both the west and the east have always fought in the ranks of the Russian army and other peoples of the empire. As far as I know, in 2008 Chechen battalions took part - I am sure - everyone will find work at a difficult moment
      I understand your resentment over the costs of the state budget in the Caucasus with the growth of anti-Russian sentiment in a number of republics - but this is just a problem that needs to be solved - and not give up! After all, there were times worse than before - everything will be decided somehow
      1. Pinocchio
        Pinocchio 10 July 2011 17: 45 New
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        Marat. This is no longer a problem. For many centuries both military and civilian minds cannot solve it. With what cruelty the Russian question was resolved in the Caucasus. Tired of being guilty of all mortal sins. Thanks for the answer.
  19. Draz 9 July 2011 10: 15 New
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    Our "nationalists" always touched with imperial flags and slogans: "separate the Caucasus from Russia." No matter how I myself do not really like the southern peoples and was a nationalist in my youth, but a normal person develops, and this period can be compared with the period of puberty, those who continue to scream these slogans, or the Westerners, after “growing up”, or - deleted - not knowing their own history. Take the same time of the Russian Empire, YES !, it was truly an Empire, and all ethnic groups called themselves Russians, a bunch of examples from history, take at least the second Empress Catherine, she is German by blood, but Russian in spirit, before death (if I’m not mistaken) she was given blood, and she told her doctor: "let all German blood out of me so that only the Russian remains." Played from memory, so that may not be accurate. YES! An idea is needed, without an idea, as the satirist Zadornov said, energy has no vector. In the Russian Empire, they served the tsar and father of God for the glory of the fatherland, in Soviet times, the Communists built socialism, as the author said, communism is the penultimate stage of socialism, when the bright future comes. People abandoned their benefits that democracy "has" in order to build not for themselves, but for their descendants this is a bright future. It is clear that democracy, with its "benefits", can seduce a person, because she offers herself here and now and eats a person with gallows. Therefore, the first of all this is to give an idea, the meaning of life, if you want, to the state and people who live for the sake of implementing this idea.
  20. SAVA
    SAVA 9 July 2011 17: 54 New
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    WHAT TO RUSSIA NOT scratching their heads how to deal with national issues, take for example a brawl in the village of Sagra, to come for a showdown with the whole village brazen WORKERS SEND FROM RUSSIA AND PROHIBIT THEM AT ALL to enter the territory RUSSIA, A different diasporas WHICH exist due to corrupt officials and cops PARTICIPATING IN corruption schemes, "Screw the NUT" A FSB deal with the situation when some OR DIASPORA "HOLDS" THE WHOLE RUSSIA REGION in fear, simply firing and does not initiate criminal proceedings THIS CASE FOR LOCALS THAT decided to restore order in his village , AND EVERYTHING WILL BECOME TIME AT ITS PLACES, THE RUSSIANS WILL BEGIN RESPECT AGAIN !!!
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 11 July 2011 20: 24 New
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      There were gypsies there, weren't they?
  21. sheih_merden
    sheih_merden 24 January 2012 21: 57 New
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    The Russian national idea should work (without changing) in any system, must gather all religions in the service of the idea, all peoples, at any level of technological development (from stone axes to spacecraft). The Russian national idea should exist without changing for 10 thousand years, and so as not to be ashamed of the idea at the other end of the Universe. And all the other versions of the idea, so that they are as a result of achieving the main, or at worst as stages, on the path of the unattainable main goal.

    Here is the technical task in abbreviated form. Work.
  22. sheih_merden
    sheih_merden 5 February 2012 13: 28 New
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    I recommend to familiarize with the Russian national idea

    http://soobscha.tomsk.ru/forum/showthread.php?p=12620#post12620
  23. Vladimir Korotkov 14 May 2020 06: 35 New
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    Once, at the Valdai Forum, Putin was asked to formulate a "national idea", and received the answer: "It is not in the language of politicians, but in the soul of the people." Putin’s current attention to “patriotism”, it seems, is caused by the West’s revision of World War II. Involuntarily, Putin, according to the moment, has to talk about patriotism.
    In 1946, the US ambassador to the USSR, J. Cannan, spoke about our national idea, called “mores”, “It doesn’t matter if Russia is communist or anti-communist; it is important that it inherits the customs of Byzantium, and this makes it our main enemy.” What "Byzantine customs" did the ambassador mean? Laziness and addiction to luxury, which led her to the conquest of the Turks in 1453? Ruled out. So, by "Byzantine customs", Kannan understood otherwise.
    According to N. Honiat, in the 12th century, Byzantine nobles invented illegal requisitions, which "deprived even the last shirt and brought people to death." Tsar Andronicus stopped these requisitions - "whoever gave the Caesarean Caesarean, no one else asked, and so constrained his greedy hands to a stranger that the population in many areas increased."
    Today, Andronic’s law “who gave the Caesarean to Caesarean no one else asks” is known as the principle of socialism “to everyone according to their work”, which is unexpected. But with J. Kennan, the Prime Minister of Great Britain, W. Churchill, agrees. Arriving in Germany at the Potsdam Conference (1945), he visited Berlin. I saw a poster in the square in front of the destroyed Reichstag with the words of Stalin, and commented on it: “We are waiting for the conference here, and Stalin had already begun it without us. The cunning Byzantine. " So Churchill also believed that communism was from Byzantium.
    Putin's amendments to the Constitution are sustained in the spirit of Byzantine socialism, Tsar Andronicus, a mother descended from the family of the Russian prince Yaroslav Osmomysl Galitsky. So, the national idea (customs) of the Russian people is visible to Putin and he follows them, in so far as circumstances allow. And here we are: will we support our President by voting on the “amendments”, or will we refuse to trust, as the Soviet regime was once denied? For more details see:
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5e74d9d8d500994b071fc082/skolko-let-socializmu-i-pravu-chastnoi-sobstvennosti-5e8b270ec8100861080d8207