Operation Boeing: Scenario Change

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Operation Boeing: Scenario Change


The plan of the Americans failed and it is good. Europe stubbornly refuses to impose real sanctions against Moscow, to break relations and is not at all eager to "put" its economy under the United States, so that Washington could save it from "evil Russian terrorists." A new scenario for the development of the crisis has now taken shape. This scenario is very different from what we were prepared by American puppeteers.

The tragedy of Boeing revealed several very interesting aspects, which for the most part were either ignored or went unnoticed by most commentators. Myopia regarding important facts is evil.

To begin with, the Americans dropped the Malaysian aircraft. Why not European? Why not Ukrainian? Why not yours?

“They didn’t find theirs, and the dead Americans would not leave Washington the freedom to maneuver.”

- Ukrainian shoot down did not make sense. On the dead ukrov civilized white Europeans do not care.

- It was possible to bring down a European plane, but then we would have to deal with European air and insurance companies that would greatly interfere with the manipulation of the results of the investigation, and European countries that everyone understands could be very nervous.

In this context, they chose the ideal goal - the Malaysian Boeing, and they chose it for the second time in a row.

For context, you need to understand the following: Malaysia for China is the same as Belarus for Russia. I greatly simplify, of course, but the words "friend", "satellite", etc., poorly describe the type of relationship that exists between China and Malaysia. A few talking details: about a quarter of the population of Malaysia is Chinese, and they are so-called. "dominant minority", i.e. possess disproportionately significant economic and political power. In megacities, there are a lot of Chinese, sometimes the majority. The dominant political force in the country sits on the "lee" from the Chinese, the relatives of the prime minister / ministers work in branches or "strategic partners" of Chinese banks. Malaysia often breaks ASEAN anti-Chinese initiatives and the like. In general, this is the only country for which China has made an exception in its aggressive territorial policy: in fact, it has been recognized as the right to extract gas from the disputed territories and even sell it to Beijing. As it is easy to guess, such gifts are made only to very close friends.

When the first Boeing "disappeared" - it was an obvious spit in the face of China, which took it very, very painfully, at the level of "I know who did, but I can not prove." Therefore, so frantically looking for debris and crates. Searched, but not found.

When the second Boeing was dropped, it was no longer just spitting, but a serious demonstration of aggressive intentions.

The result was not long in coming.

Malaysian Prime Minister reprimanded those who want to get a geopolitical benefit on the blood. The delegation that arrived in the DPR, specially organized the process as an actual interstate visit.

After the Security Council meeting, Putin delivered a very rich and very important speech, which could seem like "pathetic babble" only to couch experts, for whom the heroes of American militants are the highest example of political eloquence.

One of the important quotes:

“Of course, there is no direct military threat to the sovereignty or integrity of our country, a guarantee to that, above all, a strategic balance of forces in the world”

Translated: "We are not alone"

We are really not alone. When the Chinese press spoke against the "politicization" of the tragedy, it could be attributed to a gesture of politeness. When the Minister of Foreign Affairs of China, who firmly stated that it was impossible to allow "artificial politicization", took hold personally, it became clear that the process went beyond the framework of diplomatic ping-pong between Washington and Moscow: all the major players of the planet were involved in the process.

It is easy to see that the intensity of American actions to use a fallen Boeing has dropped dramatically. A possible scenario that explains this behavior is, I think, the “Lukyanenko script” I wrote about here, but now one important, additional element has appeared.

It is worth asking: why did the Americans actually not "blinded" some kind of "radio interception" (now everyone believes that they can listen to anyone), who would confirm the version that Beech of militia was shot down by a Boeing on a team from Moscow or Lugansk ? Such a fake would be difficult to refute, especially if accompanied by other “evidence” and an attack through the media. What stopped? It may have stopped the presence of "trumps" in Russia, but another option is possible. Iosif Diskin, Deputy Chairman of the Scientific and Expert Council of the All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion, Open Joint-Stock Company, outlined this scenario in prime time of Channel One.

I quote in the presentation of V. Tretyakov (http://v-tretyakov.livejournal.com/1266295.html):

"So, according to his American sources:

1. The operation was not developed in Ukraine, but implemented through a chain of representatives of the current Ukrainian government.

2. In secret from Poroshenko, so that he 1) did not interfere; 2) to be sincerely indignant when they report to him that the Russians had shot down a passenger Boeing.

3. The operation succeeded only in part of the defeat of Boeing, and the rest failed.

4. The State Department said that after a day, American intelligence will bring all the evidence.

5. After one day, this did not happen, because specific people from American intelligence refused to falsify the facts, asking the question: if everything turns out, then who will be responsible for this? They did not receive a clear answer to their question. And then they refused. Moreover, in the fall in the US, congressional elections and scouts were afraid that the Republicans, the Democrats, would blame intelligence not for hiding the truth about who shot down a passenger plane (no one cares), but that "they misled the top leadership of the United States and thereby damaged the national interests of America." And for this in the US, you can not only positions ... There is no joke with it, once caught ...

6. So there was information from the three anonymous representatives of the US intelligence: there is no evidence against Russia.

7. If Poroshenko (until the fall of his Americans will cover) does not conquer the South-East, then the Americans will merge him, putting the responsibility for the downed Boeing on him. As Diskin put it, “they can send him to The Hague” ....

I would not pay special attention to this scenario if it were not for one serious "but." Diskin, in addition to working at VTsIOM and all sorts of associations / organizations, is a member of the Management Board of OJSC All-Russian Bank for Regional Development (also known as Rosneft Bank) - that is, he is a “team mate” with Igor Sechin and Dominic Shtros-Kan. This team really can have very good sources in the USA, at least among those structures from which Rosneft bought Morgan Stanley’s oil business.

Conclusions for today:

1. The provocation failed
2. Europe "put" under the United States failed. Almost any sanctions, besides blocking energy exports to the EU, will benefit us (I will touch on this topic separately in a future article)
3. China firmly positions itself on our side of the barricades, of course, based on our interests. It is very good that China sees its interests in Russia's support.
4. There is every chance that if in the near future the Kiev junta does not achieve serious success, then it will simply be merged.
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  1. +18
    26 July 2014 07: 01
    I would like to hope for this scenario. However ...... you can still crap and crap.
    1. +11
      26 July 2014 08: 26
      "IN A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH OBAMA, POROSHENKO RECOGNIZED THAT THE BOEING HAS BEEN RUNNING UP THE UKRAINIAN AIR DEFENSE," AND THE SU-25 KNOWN ... "
      Source - http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/2125404/post331795866
      It is very interesting, if true, how Americans, Europeans, and, most importantly, ukrokroliki will get out.
      1. +1
        26 July 2014 09: 41
        Quote: Moment
        Very interesting if it's true

        Nonsense!
        1. WKS
          +2
          26 July 2014 11: 13
          If Poroshenko (until the fall, the Americans will cover him) does not conquer the South-East, then the Americans will merge him, taking responsibility for the downed Boeing on him.

          Poroshenko will merge one way or another, because by the fall of his rating will be zero. The question is whether he will go with Turchinov and with the leadership of the ATO to the court in The Hague? Who will be pulled to replace him? Frank ultra or pigeon? Everything will depend on the internal political situation in Ukraine.
          1. +1
            26 July 2014 13: 54
            The pigeon will not get along with "Pravosek" definitely! Now the situation is such that if a pigeon comes, it will first of all solve the problem of the right in Dill!
        2. +6
          26 July 2014 11: 26
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Moment
          Very interesting if it's true

          Nonsense!


          definitely duck

          ====================


          regarding the article - this morning in the morning they again began to accuse Russia of a downed plane, and specifically, Putin
        3. +3
          26 July 2014 12: 10
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Nonsense!

          Marshall is right. State level secrets to a mere mortal operator and in a dream will not be dreamed of. To begin with, they are conducted in a specially equipped anechoic room, with only one face behind closed and guarded doors. And there is also a screen with a translation of what was said from the interlocutor. So speech from Barak is physically impossible to hear. Something like that, probably.
      2. +5
        26 July 2014 12: 03
        Quote: Moment
        if this is true, how Americans, Europeans, and most importantly ukrokroliki will get out.

        As for the Yankees and ev. I don’t know the ro-peins, but the ukrokrolik decided it wasn’t too late to get off the sinking ship.
        1. +3
          26 July 2014 12: 56
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          the ukrokrolik decided it wasn’t too late to get off the sinking ship.

          Well, if he escapes from a sinking ship, then by definition he is no longer a ukrokrolik, but UKROKRYS?
          Greetings, dear Boa KAA (1) hi
      3. +1
        26 July 2014 15: 45
        Last night, one of the employees of the government communications department of Ukraine sold 1-22 -18-53 on July 19-12 European time for a XNUMX million dollars to a correspondent for a German information agency. The record was transferred to Berlin, and Merkel was immediately informed of its contents. She ordered "under no circumstances to disclose the contents of this conversation in the media." However, an officer of one of the German special services (presumably working for Poland) managed to transmit a transcript of the Poroshenko-Obama conversation to Warsaw, where she became known to Russian intelligence through agent channels. The transcript is very long, therefore I quote only one of the fragments:

        “Poroshenko: - Barak, I am surprised and upset by your inconsistency in reports about the reasons for the destruction of the Boeing ... Then you point to the separatists, then to Moscow, then you suddenly announce that there is no evidence of her involvement in this case ... We agreed to adhere to it from the very beginning one position ... But if you continue to make such statements, it will be difficult for us to resist Moscow ...
        Obama: - Calm down, Peter. You, apparently, misunderstood the essence of our statements ... We say "not yet" ... But we are working a lot on this ... But you will have to work a lot more now ... so ... so ... it all looked as realistic as possible ... You made a big mistake, sending this same ... combat aircraft ... The Russians spotted it ... And now it will be very difficult for you and us to explain to the world ... why this was necessary ...
        Poroshenko: - We did not have confidence that everything would work out from the ground ... We had to control ... And make sure ...
        Obama: - I understand, I understand ... But this was not part of our understanding of the pattern of events ... And now the Russians have one more trump card in their hands ...
        Poroshenko: - It turned out the way it turned out ...
        Obama: - Peter, agree that it turned out badly ... This ... I mean this is your plane that flew next ... This adds a lot of trouble to us ...
        Poroshenko: - As we have denied everything, we will deny ... The main thing is that you do not substitute us with these strange statements about the Russian’s innocence ... You and I should not disagree on this ... Otherwise, it will be difficult for us ...
        Obama: - We will support you in everything ... We are sailing in the same boat ... Do not hesitate ... Although you have fulfilled our general plan with a delay ... This should have happened a little earlier ...
        Poroshenko: - But you are well aware of the level of training of our specialists ...
        Obama: “It bothers me that one of these same experts doesn’t blabber ... The Russians are probably already hunting for them ... Try to protect these people ... If they open their mouths ...”
        Poroshenko: - I understand ... We will make it so that they will never open their mouths ...
        Obama: - You need to tightly control all the witnesses and witnesses ... It can ruin our entire party ...
        Poroshenko: - And what about the black boxes? ... I sent my specialists to England ... so that they could work in contact with the British ... But the Russians also require access to these tape recorders or whatever ... This is very dangerous for us, for you ... Russians there and it shouldn’t be close ... Otherwise ...
        Obama: “I have already talked about this with Cameron ... Everything will be okay there ... His people will do everything as they should” ...
      4. P-38
        0
        28 July 2014 12: 40

        "IN A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH OBAMA, POROSHENKO RECOGNIZED THAT THE BOEING HAS BEEN KILLED BY THE UKRAINIAN AIR DEFENSE," AND THE SU-25 BURNED

        this information is fake, the author admitted it
        http://novorus.info/news/analytics/25827-sensaciya-ili-operaciya-specsluzhb-2-ga

        me-over.html
        1. Kassandra
          +1
          28 July 2014 14: 26
          fake of course, because everything was the opposite - shot down the Su-25 and finished off Buk,
          The plane was unidentified by the Ukrainian air defense, due to the change in its route in Poland to a completely new one, and the disruption of communication between civil and air traffic controllers. And then the pilot of the aircraft that came up for identification identified himself with "similar colors" and did not look too closely, because it was only 1,5 minutes before the border with Russia.
          as you yourself understand, these three randomnesses (a new route, similar colors, and no connection) themselves rarely converge ... well, and then, from the Americans’s side, the propaganda started straight away that Russia is a bit of a blame ...
          1. +1
            28 July 2014 15: 58
            Quote: Kassandra
            that Russia is guilty ...

            And why Russia is to blame if the plane crashed in Ukraine flying from the Netherlands?
            Like, he fell in Russia and the Russians quickly brought debris to Ukraine with victims, in recent years it feels like I'm in a madhouse.
            1. Kassandra
              +1
              28 July 2014 18: 37
              Do you only read the last words in the comments?
              1. 0
                28 July 2014 20: 37
                Quote: Kassandra
                Do you only read the last words in the comments?

                No, Ivanovich (if this applies to me), only what difference does Russia make and who shot down Poroshenko’s headache, or is Russia really afraid that Obama will appoint her guilty?
                1. Kassandra
                  0
                  28 July 2014 20: 46
                  Why would she be ill if he was a "pastry chef" and so in general in the courses? In general, it should be all the same, especially since there is now going on in Ukraine for this case, and that Russia has a lot of things to do with Malaysia, just like Malaysia and China.
                  1. 0
                    28 July 2014 23: 15
                    Quote: Kassandra
                    Why would she hurt him if the "pastry chef"

                    The pastry chef is not a pastry chef, but they put him to watch. Let Poroshenko prove how and who shot down the liner and present "irrefutable evidence."
                    Quote: Kassandra
                    Malaysia connects Russia with a lot of things

                    I think in Malaysia they know where the wind is blowing and do not make harsh statements, this disaster will not affect relations with Russia.
                    1. Kassandra
                      0
                      28 July 2014 23: 54
                      In the sense that she should be sick with him, that not everything the APU, the SBU and the CIA turned out to be covered with this Boeing?

                      If Russia continues to play charades and does not make claims, and does not help with its firm position and expertise, it will affect.
                      But this is not the main thing for the USA and NATO.
                      1. 0
                        29 July 2014 01: 12
                        Quote: Kassandra
                        In the sense that she should be sick with him, that not everything the APU, the SBU and the CIA turned out to be covered with this Boeing?

                        Yes, something went wrong, they probably shot down for the American Congress.
                        Quote: Kassandra
                        But this is not the main thing for the USA and NATO.

                        As a derivative of NATO, the United States probably wants to crush the European gas market.
                        Quote: Kassandra
                        If Russia continues to play charades

                        Rogozin's statements (on various topics) seem to me not so good, if there are many of them, then you can expect anything.
                      2. Kassandra
                        +1
                        29 July 2014 01: 45
                        It’s just that someone wants to escalate the conflict and shackle the cracked Russia with "pangs of conscience" while the DPR / LPR are being pressed down ...

                        It was not about the statements of Rogozin, but about the statement of the briefing of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and their subsequent statements. When uncles in uniform begin to read speeches by speechwriters, and in this form - this is not their business. This is the business of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
                        The Ministry of Defense’s business is to act, not with a pen, and not with a tongue. The briefing was to be held by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, even at the venue of the Ministry of Defense or with an expert of the Ministry of Defense, but the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. There are enough talkers - apparently nobody is going to toss the bags.
                        ... and all the steam toot.
                        And I can tell here much more than they do, and without asking "questions" but how it was specifically.
                      3. 0
                        29 July 2014 09: 47
                        The Ministry of Defense’s business is to act, and not with a pen, and not with language. The briefing was to be held by the Foreign Ministry
                        I wanted to say something about this, but you got more "arranged on the shelves". Rogozin as an example of blunders in some issues.
    2. +8
      26 July 2014 10: 01
      they will spoil for decades after they merge ... this was after 1945 ... therefore, the National Guard should be killed to the last! and put on life even for the thought of Nazism! and if someone is a national organization - in addition to the term, confiscation of property is also possible, up to the next of kin! I’ll clean everything up to the treasury of the state! ... so that moronic mothers do not support their offspring and do not ride on the Maidan!
      1. raven8888
        +1
        26 July 2014 11: 43
        ...- in addition to the term, confiscation of property up to the next of kin! I’ll clean everything up to the treasury of the state! ... so that moronic mothers do not support their offspring and do not ride on the Maidan!


        Although there are a lot of exclamation points, but the idea is not just Sound, it should be written on the first page in the Criminal Code (Ug. Code), Caps Lock should be registered.
        Parents MUST be responsible for the children.
    3. Matroskin 18
      +2
      26 July 2014 10: 27
      There is every chance that if in the near future the Kiev junta does not achieve serious success, then it will simply merge.

      It's nice to hear it!
      However, the problems will not end there. The junta may be merged, but the Americans will not leave Ukraine! Surely they will try to put in a new, more effective anti-Russian government.
      1. +1
        26 July 2014 11: 30
        Quote: Matroskin 18
        more effective anti-Russian government.

        ... only Yarosh. And he is Natsik, i.e. fascist...
        With him, the conversation will be direct and frank-destruction!
    4. 0
      26 July 2014 10: 59
      Quote: Papania
      I would like to hope for this scenario. However ...... you can still crap and crap.

      The next pile of crap will be even more, it is very alarming. What will be presented to us next time!
      It is not realistic to tie Russia and the militias to an atom or chemistry, but in children, as blogger Dzygovbrovsky writes, it’s very “nothing,” the junta is used to.
      It is safe to say that the Ukrainian Svidomo Nazis, in order to smear the militias and Russia in blood, will kill children. They are no longer used to it. They killed babies with mortar fire in Novorossiya. They burned teenagers in Odessa on May 2. Now they have to do something that surpasses Boeing. Total: United Ukrainians will try to kill at least 50-70 children. It should be a vivid, memorable terrorist attack so that it could be shouted about it in all the world media until the whole world forgets the failed Ukrainian provocation with Boeing. Perhaps it will be a train blown up on the bridge. Perhaps it will be an exploded bus with children. Perhaps the capture of a school or kindergarten.
      http://m.vk.com/dadzi
    5. 0
      26 July 2014 11: 48
      Quote: Papania
      I would like to hope for this scenario. However ...... you can still crap and crap.
      All Americans went to VA BANK ...
      White House spokesman Josh Ernest said Russian President Vladimir Putin is responsible for the crash of a Malaysian Boeing in eastern Ukraine.
      “We know for certain that the Malaysia Airlines airliner was hit by a rocket from the ground. We know for sure that this rocket was fired from the territory controlled by the militias, and at that moment when the air defense of the Ukrainian army was not working, ”Ernest said, a statement quoted on the White House website. According to him,“ Russia spent for the militias exercises for using the Buk system. “So now we can conclude that Vladimir Putin and the Russians are guilty of this tragedy,” he said.
      And again, without PROOF ... just to support the "wave" and "push" the Europeans into sanctions.
      1. +1
        26 July 2014 14: 48
        Quote: svp67
        All Americans went to VA BANK ...

        And what does this mean, Sergey?
        What once again they shook their fists towards Russia ...
        It’s more like not a roar of a lion, but throwing a hare along the road, in the framework strictly outlined by the headlights of the car.
        So this is already ordinary, predictable and does not deserve attention ...
        The facts suggest otherwise. The Kuev authorities almost drove the harlot and began to twirl their tail, claiming that "Well, okay ... We shot down the plane, but it was by mistake. It already happened. This is all due to a coincidence of circumstances, poor preparedness of the calculations and insufficient funding for the army .."...

        It’s strange ... Especially if you take into account that for the last six months the juntas have been doing nothing without consulting the State Department ....
        And those are, as it were, about a completely different ...
        IMHO. They are playing for time, putting forward absurd things in advance, trying to influence the course of the investigation with their "pet dogs" - small-shaven ...
        "That-whether there will still be. Oh-oh-oh ...." (c)
        1. +1
          26 July 2014 17: 48
          Quote: Ptah
          What once again they shook their fists towards Russia ...
          This is a very thoughtful step, they RESTORE public opinion in the West, before the vote ... They act according to the principle of "no judge is judged", with Iraq it passed ...
    6. Gluxar_
      +2
      26 July 2014 14: 21
      Quote: Papania
      I would like to hope for this scenario. However ...... you can still crap and crap.

      They can’t, but they will. This is their essence over the past three centuries. So it was and will be until this mob is destroyed until the last carrier of DNA.
      The point is different. New Russia will be, with Ukraine everything is clear too. All that has been going on for the past half a year is tactical maneuvers, unfortunately in the blood. But they do not change the real situation in the world.
      Russia cut off the road to Europe for the United States and British Qatar, supporting Syria. The US is trying to respond to Russia with the same coin in Ukraine, not allowing the construction of the South Stream.
      These are strategic steps and everything goes its own way.
      It is important to win back every failure of your opponents to the end and make less mistakes yourself. The situation with the Boeing must be brought to an end and the customers of all this blood must be named - the United States. The other day, two more planes fell to knock the information foam off the topic of the Malaysian Boeing. And if the state also deals with other issues, then the public and activists must convey the truth about this provocation to the entire population of the world. Articles and stuffing will only help. If the Russian government cannot afford to lie as the State Department does, then ordinary citizens and "anonymous sources" should directly indicate that the plane was shot down by the United States and the Europeans were killed; Americans, and the Americans, too, and the financial crisis and unemployment in Europe were watching and listening to them. it is also Americans ... and to mold the same theory as the State Department molds. Twitter and Facebook ... all possible forums and news sites ... you need to break the information blockade, by any means.
    7. 0
      26 July 2014 21: 35
      I am sure Russia will show the whole world who the United States is! NOT any doubt.
      1. Dad Sasha
        0
        27 July 2014 10: 56
        The United States has long shown for itself to the whole world who they are, only the whole world didn’t stop dancing to their tune, alas. And the Boeing story is unlikely to discredit them in the eyes of the world community, they will simply be even more afraid.
    8. 0
      28 July 2014 17: 36
      .... you always shit, shit and will always shit, and you always have to be prepared for this. Remember, Ostap Ibrahimovich's credo is "ALWAYS".
  2. +4
    26 July 2014 07: 09
    And you won’t return the people anymore ... but how many more of them are waking up ...
  3. +7
    26 July 2014 07: 12
    Thanks to the author!
    Probably the United States had several options with a Boeing in case of victory, and in case of failure.
    It is bad that the "powerful of this world" scoff at small nations, or rather, they are simply not considered as people.
    This makes an impression after the information on the Internet.
    1. +3
      26 July 2014 08: 54
      Quote: shishakova
      It's bad that the "powerful of this world" scoff at small nations

      It is bad that the "powerful of this world" casually, for the sake of their own selfish interests, swept away 300 human lives in Boeing and hundreds in Donbass.
      Will justice and retribution for crimes prevail? am
      1. +2
        26 July 2014 09: 49
        It is bad that the "powerful of this world" in passing, for the sake of their own selfish interests swept away 300 human lives

        Just think, they are laying down thousands of others' lives. Is this a discovery for you?
  4. +5
    26 July 2014 07: 13
    There is every chance that if in the near future the Kiev junta does not achieve serious success, then it will simply merge.

    if so it will be what I wonder what the junta will sing about then? this time who will be to blame request
    1. +3
      26 July 2014 08: 22
      Quote: starmos
      this time who will be to blame
      Putin.
      1. +5
        26 July 2014 12: 27
        This time, who will be to blame?
        Quote: Alexej
        Putin.
  5. +3
    26 July 2014 07: 15
    China ... but I remember flickering reports that they leased in Ukraine dofigischi chernozem ... not in the eastern lands ???
    1. 0
      26 July 2014 14: 35
      In Crimea, they planned 5 mulen ...
      Moreover, the complete reconstruction / construction of a new port, or rather the largest terminal for sending agricultural products.
      Guess whose and where ...
  6. +6
    26 July 2014 07: 17
    The article is very curious and inspires certain hopes. God grant that these hopes come true.
    But again, our territory, settlements are being fired from the Ukrainian side. How long will this continue UNPUNISHED? If the country does not find an adequate response to such actions of small fascist puppets, will serious players in the pestilence policy take our country seriously?
  7. +12
    26 July 2014 07: 18


    Oh, this "secrecy" ... taken from social networks. Hence the rudeness from the representative of the State Department.

    Washington’s statements about shelling of Ukraine from Russia were made, among other things, on the basis of data from social networks.Well, at least this time honestly admitted.
    A complete failure of the Americans in the "demonocratic Ukraine" operation.
    1. +5
      26 July 2014 07: 54
      Quote: name


      Oh, this "secrecy" ... taken from social networks. Hence the rudeness from the representative of the State Department.

      Washington’s statements about shelling of Ukraine from Russia were made, among other things, on the basis of data from social networks.Well, at least this time honestly admitted.
      A complete failure of the Americans in the "demonocratic Ukraine" operation.

      A good journalist, meticulous and not stupid. I already fear for his health. I think he has quite a few enemies.
      1. +6
        26 July 2014 08: 26
        Quote: Hariva
        A good journalist, meticulous and not stupid.
        Did he strangle him with uncomfortable questions from the same place? I respect, a desperate man.
      2. 0
        26 July 2014 23: 17
        Quote: Hariva
        Quote: name


        Oh, this "secrecy" ... taken from social networks. Hence the rudeness from the representative of the State Department.

        Washington’s statements about shelling of Ukraine from Russia were made, among other things, on the basis of data from social networks.Well, at least this time honestly admitted.
        A complete failure of the Americans in the "demonocratic Ukraine" operation.

        A good journalist, meticulous and not stupid. I already fear for his health. I think he has quite a few enemies.

        -Mett, do you need more evidence?
        -OK. You convinced me!
    2. +1
      26 July 2014 10: 13
      and where did the psaku delhi? and this other beads!))))
      but what is the name of this guy journalist? cool dude !!! Respect to him!)))
      1. +7
        26 July 2014 12: 52
        Matthew Lee Leading journalist, Associated Press. Fearless pretzel. The whole world traveled. Has a wound (Cambodia). The main Troll at the State Department briefings (as if accreditation were not taken away).
    3. Registrar
      +2
      26 July 2014 10: 18
      You can not post PHOTO and VIDEO
      with the faces of these American fools -
      already sick of them.
      Express in words, pliz!
      1. +3
        26 July 2014 12: 38
        Quote: Registrator
        You can not post PHOTO and VIDEO

        Tolyan! Colleagues spread documents to you, and you want a free retelling? Well, this, brother, is somehow not even serious!
  8. +1
    26 July 2014 07: 18
    The interest in the development of this batch of the global game has a taste and smell (((innocent victims among ordinary people of New Russia and Boeing!
  9. +7
    26 July 2014 07: 18
    If Obama sat after Crimea, then after close contact with the unfinished and her loyal lads and sisters, he will turn white without operations, like Michael Jackson!
    I’m sure that Obama has mocked more than once all of his advisers, who dragged him into this rotten rot, but by the Moyma none of the Yankees expected dill outstrips even Georgian fairy tales .... in! wink
    Would you ask Obama to the Russians what Little Russians are like before dealing with them!
    1. +1
      26 July 2014 11: 01
      just the opposite! there he is mother, he is only the person appointed to the post, the congress is much stronger than the president’s power. But there’s no need to talk about bigwigs of big business. Obama is standing before them like a lilliput in front of the urinal.
  10. +6
    26 July 2014 07: 24
    I want to live to see the MOMENT when they talk about the United States in the "past" !!!
    1. +1
      26 July 2014 12: 43
      Quote: Good_Taxist
      I want to live to see the MOMENT when they talk about the United States in the "past" !!!

      Me too - FOR!
      But, unfortunately, they do not live for so long. Unless, of course, Yellowstone does not help rid humanity of this parasite state.
      But then you need to attach most of the foggy albion there too! IMHO.
  11. +5
    26 July 2014 07: 26
    Malaysian Prime Minister reprimanded those who want to get a geopolitical benefit on the blood. The delegation that arrived in the DPR, specially organized the process as an actual interstate visit.
    This is so, but why did they entrust the decryption of the data of the black boxes to England? Well, I do not trust England to say the least For me, it’s like transferring to the states
    1. +1
      26 July 2014 12: 14
      Quote: Seagull
      Malaysian Prime Minister reprimanded those who want to get a geopolitical benefit on the blood. The delegation that arrived in the DPR, specially organized the process as an actual interstate visit.
      This is so, but why did they entrust the decryption of the data of the black boxes to England? Well, I do not trust England to say the least For me, it’s like transferring to the states

      By and large, the British in terms of independent examination of the pros, they will be told by drum about the state how it was, there’s nothing to juggle, they’re more expensive than the reputation of independent experts, it’s not for nothing that they have already sharpened skis from the EU, they realize that the card comes to this union so the black boxes will be decrypted without fraud, but I'm sure this will add more questions than give answers
  12. +2
    26 July 2014 07: 30
    There is every chance that if in the near future the Kiev junta does not achieve serious success, then it will simply merge
    These words - yes to God’s ears !!! Yes, it will be so!
    1. Leonardo
      0
      26 July 2014 09: 09
      Unfortunately, the US is not going to merge the Kuevo junta yet. The junta was given a command "face" for the peacekeeping Russian troops in Transnistria.
      1. +2
        26 July 2014 12: 47
        Quote: Leonardo
        The junta was given a command "face" for the peacekeeping Russian troops in Transnistria.

        If this is so, then USers will achieve their goal: they will drag us into the war with Dill. We will not be able to leave an attack on our peacekeepers with impunity. As well as an attack on the Crimea.
        However - around the pitchfork!
        1. Kassandra
          +1
          26 July 2014 18: 39
          in general, they still want most of the Voronezh Belgorod and Rostov regions, if you did not know ...
          http://avrom.livejournal.com/951416.html
          see there is a picture of how they see their urkainu (of course, the rebbe lied to the scumbag)
  13. +5
    26 July 2014 07: 33
    It is not clear only from all this logic why it was necessary to "get" China indirectly, through Malaysia. Why crash a flight in which it is known in advance that the Malay is little more than an emblem and a crew, and the passengers are mostly white people from Europe? Then the Chinese would have been knocked down, and the blow would have been direct, and there would have been more and more Chinese among the passengers, although it would not have done without the Europeans. At the same time, there is a chance to embroil Russia with China - they say it was the Russians who shot down, or, at their behest, the militias.
    So the version is not so incredible, but, let’s say, full of holes.
    But in general, too many "experts" climb with versions. Maybe we will wait for the end of the investigation, or at least the publication of the decryption of the black boxes, before drawing conclusions? And then something a lot in the news has become scientific, political, and even hell knows what fiction.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      +4
      26 July 2014 07: 44
      Quote: Nagan
      It is not clear only from all this logic why it was necessary to "get" China indirectly, through Malaysia.

      Read "Strategy for Indirect Action" by Liddell Garth.
      The author's version has a right to exist. The first time - "accident", the second time is a TREND.
    2. +3
      26 July 2014 08: 50
      Quote: Nagan
      It is not clear only from all this logic why it was necessary to "get" China indirectly, through Malaysia. Why crash a flight in which it is known in advance that the Malay is little more than an emblem and a crew, and the passengers are mostly white people from Europe? Then the Chinese would have been knocked down, and the blow would have been direct, and there would have been more and more Chinese among the passengers, although it would not have done without the Europeans. At the same time, there is a chance to embroil Russia with China - they say it was the Russians who shot down, or, at their behest, the militias.
      So the version is not so incredible, but, let’s say, full of holes.
      But in general, too many "experts" climb with versions. Maybe we will wait for the end of the investigation, or at least the publication of the decryption of the black boxes, before drawing conclusions? And then something a lot in the news has become scientific, political, and even hell knows what fiction.

      Well, you can’t manipulate with the Chinese Boeing. Do not make him stray. You can’t hide the negotiations of the dispatchers. In general, you’ll just immediately directly adjust China to hostile pro-American Ukraine. And this is serious for Washington's plans.

      PS
      I agree with the boxes. Something too long they "decipher". One of the arguments for transferring the boxes for decryption to the UK was that "they will do the decryption in a day."
      1. +3
        26 July 2014 09: 06
        Quote: Cossack Ermak
        Well, you can’t manipulate with the Chinese Boeing. Do not make him stray.

        Yes, you can make anyone. The dispatcher would be "correct".
        Quote: Cossack Ermak
        Don't hideиsh negotiations dispatchers.
        So you can’t hide it from anyone. That's why the recorders in the cockpit.
    3. 0
      26 July 2014 10: 08
      I think that blaming Russia, and quarreling China with Russia, and indeed with South America. That is what they sought.
      Turning off GPRS, they thought that the satellites would not record the data, but they were mistaken.
      1. +1
        26 July 2014 13: 05
        Quote: Moment
        Turning off GPRS, they thought that the satellites would not record the data, but they were mistaken.

        Turning off GPRS, they could only worsen the accuracy of determining the launch site of missiles, but not to the same extent!
        But they cannot "turn off" GLONASS without roughly interfering with the system. And this immediately becomes visible. Therefore, we must have accurate data on the coordinates of the launch site. That is, if, of course, our satellite was hanging over the area at that time. (Either passed, or hangs on the GSO).
        And so, I think, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has a picture from the Container, so the states are "modest" with their fake.
    4. +1
      26 July 2014 12: 53
      Quote: Nagan
      Then the Chinese would have fallen, and a direct strike, and among the passengers there would have been more and more Chinese

      Probably because the flight Amsterdam - Beijing is outside the bounds of an independent. And they will not shoot at him from our territory.
      Quote: Nagan
      So the version is not so incredible, but, let’s say, full of holes.
      There is one - lay it out, maybe you talk with the Lord at night and you know the whole truth. Share it!
      1. 0
        26 July 2014 18: 33
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        There is one - lay it out, maybe you talk with the Lord at night and you know the whole truth. Share it!

        I can’t write good fiction, but I don’t want to write bad fiction. In general, let's wait at least for the data from the black boxes before fantasizing.
  14. 0
    26 July 2014 07: 56
    Hmm, and China - India probably has some kind of data on radio intelligence, information on negotiations between dispatchers and Su-25? Satellite imagery for hour X?

    As far as I remember, Chinese and Russian hackers broke the Pentagon website at the time ..
    Maybe there is an opportunity to help with their data? It would be cool to post pictures of the Pentagon strategists, and maybe the info about the operation ...
  15. Aibolit
    0
    26 July 2014 07: 58
    Yes, and for the first time, most likely the Americans banged, they were training there .... And they are looking for a type in the area where the fuel could run out, but you need to joke in the radius of the air of the training area ...
  16. 0
    26 July 2014 08: 01
    SO THE JUNT IS ALREADY RUNNING OUT)) YAYTSENYUH ALREADY RUNS OUT OF RESIGNATION, THE INTERPOL ON REQUIREMENT OF RUSSIA ALREADY ANNOUNCED JAROSHA FOR INTERNATIONAL RESEARCH))))))) SEEEN YOU ARE READY EVERYONE EVER UNDER READY.
    1. +1
      26 July 2014 09: 05
      Tonight.
      "Vladimir Putin and Russia are to blame for the fall of the Malaysian Boeing"
      State Department SGA.
      1. +1
        26 July 2014 13: 09
        Quote: Patriot.ru.
        "Vladimir Putin and Russia are to blame for the fall of the Malaysian Boeing." State Department sga.

        Yes, the Americans went all-in. Such an accusation must be answered if there is no conclusive evidence!
        THE GAME WAS BIGGEST!
  17. +2
    26 July 2014 08: 04
    For this "operation" the name "Flying Dutchman" is better suited. The loss of the second Malaysian liner clearly testifies to the fact that the State Department is infinitely in charge of Malaysia, as well as in the independent one. This is where the question arises. And where did the first one get "lost"?
  18. +1
    26 July 2014 08: 06
    4. There is every chance that if in the near future the Kiev junta does not achieve serious success, then it will simply be merged.

    Yes, they have been living in the toilet for six months and are sure that they have "Glory"!
    1. +3
      26 July 2014 13: 17
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Yes, they’ve been living in the toilet for six months now

      I think it’s time for someone to pull the drain cord on the tank! (if they are seated in a new toilet - then press the drain button!)
      1. Dad Sasha
        0
        27 July 2014 09: 12
        This toilet bowl is from the Second World War. so you have to pull the rope.
        1. Kassandra
          0
          27 July 2014 09: 17
          But what if she ata-ata-pkhi atarlva?
          1. Dad Sasha
            0
            27 July 2014 11: 10
            We attach.
  19. 0
    26 July 2014 08: 13
    Ours under the table showed that there are serious trump cards on the Boeing, and the Americans did not raise rates. Like this
  20. +1
    26 July 2014 08: 19
    Abamka rushes about, like a grasshopper in a frying pan, together with juntas, climbed into a cesspool, but they want to get out of it without getting dirty. They did not know who they contacted in the State Department, Ukrainians do everything through the fifth point. recourse
  21. 3vs
    +3
    26 July 2014 08: 22
    Little Russia would be better off if a thousand or two of the "cream of today's society" dumped to the west,
    the climate would be cleared, a normal life could be built.

    I am convinced that Little Russia and New Russia would realize themselves as a single whole of the Russian Empire,
    Russia would be waiting, I’m not afraid of the word, take off both in the spiritual and in the economic and military and
    internationally!
  22. 0
    26 July 2014 08: 41
    Good analytics ... let's see how the fuss around Boeing develops ... I think in the next month it will be clear how accurate the analysts are.
  23. +3
    26 July 2014 09: 12
    "Glory" of Ukraine does not give birth to heroes! The whole reason is excessive abortion in power.
  24. maxim1
    +1
    26 July 2014 09: 24
    The US must be destroyed.
    Not in the sense of desire, but as an upcoming fact.
    The date, however, is not exactly known.
    Source - the latest book of the New Testament.
    The latest confirmed facts are Chernobyl (a star, its name is wormwood), the collapse of the ideas of communism (a book in the hands of an angel, sweet in her mouth, bitter in her womb), the revival of Russia (a wife giving birth to her in pain and two wings given to her by eagles).
    And the USA - like Babylon the great with its symbol - a woman holding a cup with the abominations of her fornication will be defeated: “And one strong angel took a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying: with such a desire Babylon, the great city, will be defeated, and it will be gone. "
  25. +4
    26 July 2014 09: 39
    On the question of whether the states will merge the Kiev junta, the resignation of Yatsenyuk became the first sign, the states take their protégé from under the blow in gratitude for the gold transferred to the states of Ukraine.
  26. +1
    26 July 2014 10: 05
    Why did you choose Malaysia? Because there you can buy not only a couple of Boeing, but the entire government with all the guts, especially from a bankrupt company, for them it was a lucky chance. Therefore, they keep quiet in a rag, and not shout at all corners that have lost their last means of subsistence.
  27. 0
    26 July 2014 11: 40
    It’s time to merge the junta. Already a very low level of professionalism, and a high level of domestic moronism in foreign and domestic policy, in the ATO. The authorities are real go * oty. If according to S.N. Since Parkinson’s position is usually one step higher than the competency limit, then in the case of the Ukrainian Kurultai, these limits are exceeded by ukroführer by dozens of flights of stairs. When gaining influence in the country of Americans and Europeans, this of course was fine. But now, when real action is needed, work to advance the plans of Western patrons, quite sane and trained performers are needed in the leadership of this under-state. So that the drain is inevitable, like a demobilization. But the Moor will completely do his job then. Indeed, at the end of the career of the current revolutionary idiots, they should burst loudly and brightly, most likely they will commit the highest villainy in their career. Then they will be replaced. Another question is that at the start behind them is an aunt with a scythe in the shadow - Tymoshenko. And this one already threatened to be shot from nuclear weapons. Madame frostbitten on the most overhead braids. And with adequacy, the problem is greater than that of Poroshenko. In general, your word, comrade Mauser. To fight the Strelkovites and fight, to the very Polish border. Good luck to them, the Guardian Angel and God to help.
  28. 0
    26 July 2014 11: 48
    At the briefing, the State Department will say: "There is no such thing on social networks and on YouTube! We are telling the truth and the rest are lying! Is it the first time?
    Quote: Moment
    "IN A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH OBAMA, POROSHENKO RECOGNIZED THAT THE BOEING HAS BEEN RUNNING UP THE UKRAINIAN AIR DEFENSE," AND THE SU-25 KNOWN ... "
    Source - http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/2125404/post331795866
    It is very interesting, if true, how Americans, Europeans, and, most importantly, ukrokroliki will get out.
    1. 0
      26 July 2014 18: 18
      Quote: aleksandr-budarin1
      The State Department will say at a briefing: "There is no such thing on social networks and on YouTube! We are telling the truth and the rest are lying !!

      Well, now there is THIS in social networks! wink
      Quote: aleksandr-budarin1
      "IN A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH OBAMA, POROSHENKO RECOGNIZED THAT THE BOEING HAS BEEN KILLED BY THE UKRAINIAN AIR DEFENSE," AND THE SU-25 WAS RUNNING OUT. "

      So let them spin, try to refute. tongue
  29. +1
    26 July 2014 12: 07
    A unique photograph taken from an American drone proving that Putin personally shot down a Malaysian Boeing.
  30. 0
    26 July 2014 12: 19
    The question is, did you find the first Boeing? They say the fighter of the "light elves" by mistake or deliberately shot him down.
    1. Kassandra
      0
      26 July 2014 18: 43
      say this is the first
      the question is where did they divide his first passengers and why the second’s relatives do not shine.
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  32. 0
    26 July 2014 12: 36
    Quote: Moment
    It is very interesting, if true, how Americans, Europeans, and, most importantly, ukrokroliki will get out.


    Fake .... Poroshenko cannot call Obama Barack. They are not that close. And in general, for me, as a person who has served for almost 30 years, not in the infantry, the very appearance of such a record is bullshit. For the Office of the "author" will calculate within 5-10 minutes. Even if it happens in Zimbabwe.
  33. 0
    26 July 2014 12: 37
    In pursuit of the idea - Malaysia was chosen not only to click China on the nose again. Pay attention to the prospect of cooperation between the Russian Federation and Malaysia, especially in the military sphere.
  34. 0
    26 July 2014 12: 41
    I'm friends, I can’t understand one thing! how can the state department blame another country without 100% evidence! read it on another site. Vladimir Putin and the point are to blame. this is the official position of the usa. after all the briefings. after all that the usa was not provided with clues, photos from satellites, nothing. international law, laws somehow. They have no right to attract for a lie if there is no evidence base. Why is Russia silent about such provocations? Why doesn’t it put all this out for international review, etc. maybe I don’t understand what?
    1. 0
      26 July 2014 16: 17
      Starting with GDP, all our power is afraid for its stolen capital. Therefore, they are kept silent in a rag when they are brought in by a face about tableball.
    2. Kassandra
      0
      26 July 2014 18: 44
      empty tube once shook the UN Security Council
  35. pahom54
    0
    26 July 2014 12: 46
    The author says that the operation failed ... Here it would be necessary to clarify - failed in the form in which the USA would like it ...
    However, look at the news feeds - we started barking again closer to dinner, and again they directly accuse Russia and Putin personally of shooting down a Boeing ... Well, yes, it was not in vain that he was introduced to Buk as a cameraman ...
    So everything is not so simple ... and the whipping up of military hysteria on the territory of Poland is all from the same opera ...
    So there will be a lot of nasty things, and it is not clear yet how it will end ...
    1. Kassandra
      0
      26 July 2014 18: 46
      when it's still morning in the Russian Federation
      but ... as if vodyn beautiful day someone in China or in nipponia again did not get up before them what
  36. 0
    26 July 2014 13: 03
    Ohohohoho, how you want to believe it! So I will believe in it and wait for the fall, the benefit is not long before the fall!
  37. 0
    26 July 2014 13: 07
    Ukrainians either agonize or sweep traces. Today, the mayor of Kremenchug was shot and the house of the mayor of Lvov was fired from a grenade launcher. Or is it Putin and the Russians again !?
  38. +1
    26 July 2014 14: 13
    The Americans will merge the junta, or, there, they will not merge it - all the same, it cannot resist. Even now, every month of its existence is a banal question in many respects financial. Who will pay - that is the question!
    Americans and Europeans initially believed that Russia, because we ourselves want, because brothers.
    And now they are very disappointed, but in their own pre-crisis state they cannot make serious, essentially irrecoverable expenses.
    They did the best they could to Russia, and did not get any benefit from their long-term operation "Ukraine". The reunification of the Crimea, the rapprochement with China and the rallying of the BRICS into something de facto financial should not be considered as such. In many ways, they have compromised their own fifth column in our country.
    And now - they will already cling to pieces of Ukraine, soon the memory will "want" at the command of the masters of federalization, and even separation from Ukraine. It is desirable, leaving that all debts.
    These are the prospects, and Rabbit was the first to understand them (he probably has his own people in the establishment).
  39. 0
    26 July 2014 16: 00
    According to the Russian Foreign Ministry in response to recent State Department allegations of Russia's guilt in the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777, the United States “increasingly relies on outright lies in pursuing its foreign policy” and leaves its statements without factual evidence, citing information from social networks.
    26 July 2014, 15: 35
    “Everything in the White House is limited to mentioning certain“ intelligence data ”, which cannot be presented at all, and, which is absolutely ridiculous, about“ information on social networks ”. In other words, the Washington regime in its constructions is based on inappropriate anti-Russian speculations collected on the Internet, ”the Russian diplomatic service notes.

    "Before appointing the" guilty, "the United States should answer 10 questions of the Russian Ministry of Defense and 22 questions formulated by the Federal Air Transport Agency," the Russian Foreign Ministry reminds.

    White House spokesman Josh Ernest admitted yesterday that the administration of President Barack Obama uses social media to draw conclusions about the situation in Ukraine. It was this source that American officials relied on when they decided to make a statement that Russia was allegedly training militias in Ukraine to use Buk anti-aircraft missile systems.

    Washington has still not presented evidence to back up its accusations against Russia and the Donbas militia, but continues to accuse them of destroying a Malaysian airliner that killed 298 people.



    Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/42591#ixzz38ZiXgIwr
  40. stranik72
    0
    26 July 2014 22: 33
    To be honest, the article did not make much of an impression on me, the usual babbling from the series, see what a "genius GDP". In fact, I see something else:
    1. The country was not ready for serious challenges, including through the Ministry of Defense. Look at the report of the Moscow Region on Boeing, this is the level below the 80s, and if there hadn’t been an airplane transfer through the GA line, there would have been nothing to say at all, and this is the level of air defense of the country in the currently threatening direction. Yes, so for memory, and you know that in Russia the sky is not commanded by the air defense, but the Russian aviation and its dispatcher have more rights than the air defense command post. (This is how we are peaceful)
    2. On the line of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, he was blown away, answers to rudeness and disrespect for Russia are two answers, and not only the rhetoric is weak, but a set of texture and logic about nothing. Learn from Kadyrov gentlemen, he is a true patriot of Russia.
    3. The country's economy was in a state of complete dependence on the outside world, and it is clear why we suddenly became so soft. The country's default is not far off if sanctions are tightened, since Russia's finances do not belong to Russia itself.
    The question is who is to blame and what to do.
    To tell the truth to the people, in no way to hand over New Russia, to prepare the country for the most severe trials, if we want to be free.
    "The hour of courage has struck on our watch, let courage not leave us."
    Your decision is Mr. President, or a friend anyway. Although there are frightening hints, is this a list of people from the culture nominated for a state award, are we being handed over?
    1. Kassandra
      0
      27 July 2014 07: 35
      this is the level of the 90s and it is about the same in all countries of the world,
      The dispatcher is commanded for the time being, while their work is controlled by air defense,
      The air defense of any country itself has a means of identifying aircraft only from its own or friendly air forces with the same "friend or foe" identification equipment,
      On the air situation, only GA data were disclosed,
      The air defense data for it was not disclosed so that the Americans did not find out their capabilities and because everything is already so clear what happened there from the civilian data.
      In addition to civilian data, the RF Ministry of Defense also provided data from its satellite reconnaissance.
      no one else in the world has provided absolutely anything at all, but they are already burying their civilians with military honors - why would that be?
  41. 0
    27 July 2014 01: 40
    Examination at MGIMO in diplomacy.
    The professor sets the task: our military submarine is _random_
    sunk a merchant ship of one country in its
    territorial waters. The authorities of this country issued a note of protest.
    The assignment for students is to write an answer to this note.
    After checking the work, the professor comments:
    - Sidorov did the best job. Taken into account
    region specifics, current political situation, etc.
    Sidorov, of course, better than others mastered the art of diplomacy.
    Only one drawback spoils the overall impression of the work.
    Sidorov! You allowed two spelling in the text
    mistakes that are unacceptable to a true diplomat.
    Remember once and for all: "black-ass" is written with "o",
    and "not" - separately!
    1. Kassandra
      0
      28 July 2014 20: 30
      are you talking about this? bully
  42. Dad Sasha
    0
    27 July 2014 10: 51
    Operation Boeing: Scenario Change

    The script for this "blockbuster" was written long ago and has not changed since the crash of B777. However, from time to time, due to circumstances, the "directors" allow themselves to make some deviations from the script, manipulating the actions of talentless "actors", but not always successfully, which causes discontent among the "producers" of this show.
  43. 0
    27 July 2014 19: 16
    Quote: Moment
    "IN A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH OBAMA, POROSHENKO RECOGNIZED THAT THE BOEING HAS BEEN RUNNING UP THE UKRAINIAN AIR DEFENSE," AND THE SU-25 KNOWN ... "
    Source - http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/2125404/post331795866
    It is very interesting, if true, how Americans, Europeans, and, most importantly, ukrokroliki will get out.

    He admitted, did not admit ... He, like a capricious woman, cannot be trusted. I used to say one thing, today - another, tomorrow - a third. Typical six, typical dill! What to take from him? Nothing but analyzes! And even that, syphilis, so many raped him!
  44. 0
    28 July 2014 17: 39
    The trouble with any scenario with a downed Boeing is that Russia, in spite of its will, was directly involved in the conflict in Ukraine. Although she had already taken part in it in the form of assistance to refugees, children, deserters and others who fled from Ukraine. And because of this, she already has to bear large material costs. Right there under any set of circumstances, i.e. no matter who shot it down and how, the Ukrainian conflict has reached the international level. Europe and Asia were drawn into it. And although Asia is still silent, Europe has already chosen the side of the United States. There will be no rollback. As a result, a lot of work on dividing the interests of Europe and the United States on different sides in relation to Russia and sanctions against it was brought to naught. I think that this was the main goal of the United States - to level out this work of the diplomats of Russia and Putin himself, as a direct participant in the diplomatic process.
    1. Kassandra
      0
      28 July 2014 18: 43
      there are no scenarios - it has long been known who shot him and how and why
      the mistake of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation now is a game of charades, instead you just need to express your point of view directly (even without any evidence after the briefing) and let the United States and Ukraine justify itself.
      and do not get off these creatures until they pay Russia compensation for their lies, and answer in court for what they themselves have done with this plane.

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