The fall of "Boeing": Ukrainian security officials are considering a version of an unauthorized rocket launch during the exercise

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The cause of the catastrophe that occurred with the Malaysian "Boeing 777" could be the unauthorized launch of an anti-aircraft missile during the Ukrainian air defense exercises near Donetsk, the TV channel reported RT with reference to RIA News.



An unnamed source in the power structures of Ukraine told a news agency correspondent that “on July 17, the commander of the 156 anti-aircraft missile regiment was ordered to conduct combat training to cover the ground forces in the suburbs of Donetsk. They had to deploy divisions, work out the wiring of targets and execute the entire algorithm for tracking and conditionally destroying targets with the Buk-М1 missile system. ”

The source stressed that the battery commanders got the keys to unlock the launch, however, there were no real launches of 9М38М1 missiles.

"To participate in the training in Dnepropetrovsk from the airbase of Kulbakino 229 tactical brigade aviation in Nikolaev two Su-25 planes were sent. They were given the task of conducting aerial reconnaissance and identifying control targets in the area where the ATO group was concentrated west of Donetsk ”
source said.

“After the entry of one of the aircraft into the detection zone of the Buk air defense missile system, it was taken to escort a battery combat crew, located near the town of Zaroshchenskoye. Apparently, by some tragic accident, after some time, the flight routes of the Malaysian Boeing and Su-25, despite the difference in flight levels, coincided, merging on the screen into one large point, which was fatal for a civilian side - at the moment of convergence of targets on one azimuth, the tracking system is automatically rebuilt to maintain the one that has the largest area ”
the interlocutor continued the story.

According to the source, he does not know why, in the end, there was a launch of a rocket. “This issue is handled by the SBU, who took the battery commander with the crew around half past nine in the evening”- said in conclusion, the agency interlocutor.

Recall that the tragedy with the Malaysian "Boeing" occurred on July 17. As a result of the crash, none of the people aboard survived. The total number of victims is 298 people.
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  1. +94
    25 July 2014 12: 31
    Who would doubt that.

    Spinning like a Mr. in a pan.

    I repeat my thought:
    - after investigating and collecting all the evidence, sue the Ukrainian authorities, the US State Department and everyone else who indiscriminately accused Russia of the media and from state tribunes.

    Great reason to hit the stars

    However, a number of questions remain:
    why did the course and level of the Boeing change (especially if the air defense exercises were planned!), what kind of military aircraft was near the Boeing, what was the real Boeing shot down from?

    If it is shot down by an air-to-air missile, training and error will not work.

    So it seems like a cover action
    1. +60
      25 July 2014 12: 33
      Opanika. Already caught Zlochintsy - 2 pcs. The CIA resident Nalyvaichenko himself stated. 2 GRU colonels with certificates for all matters. Evil Orthodox Chechens Ugrophins Buryat Mongols - in short, 1000% x Muscovites. I even remember their ukrofoto with large inscriptions on the chest "FSB". And on the certificates it was written "Air defense. Vognischa corrector." This is such an important specialist who, together with the keruvalnom (both two), run ahead of the rocket, shows the way.

      PS. AND Hohlodispatcher Boeing started for slaughter, too, purely by accident?
      1. +35
        25 July 2014 12: 37
        "" This issue is being dealt with by the SBU officers, who at about half past nine in the evening took the battery commander with the crew. "

        it is possible that no one will see them again.
        1. +19
          25 July 2014 12: 40
          Quote: Starfish
          Spinning like a Mr. in a pan.
          Apparently there is a specific compromising evidence on Kaklov, so it’s better to present everything by mistake than by intent.
          1. avg
            +29
            25 July 2014 13: 06
            I immediately wrote that Svidomo should not carry out any exercises. They only run around the Maidan with a baton, and how they get in touch with the equipment is a complete embarrassment. We know that, but the geyropa is just getting used to it.
            To protect civilization, you need to deprive the dill of the sea as soon as possible, close the sky, disentangle the army, sticks can be left, in the Rada there is nothing to do without them.
            1. +37
              25 July 2014 13: 10
              Now it will be like in 2001m.

              - Hulp, Mykola, as the oaths bled the provocation of the zrobyl. They napali a pious litak, having waited for that yak to hit our rocket.
              1. 0
                25 July 2014 14: 46
                [media = http: //www.radiosvoboda.org/media/video/25469080.html]

                Here comes the network from Reuters
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            2. +15
              25 July 2014 13: 15
              Quote: avg
              I immediately wrote that Svidomo should not carry out any exercises. They only run with a baton on the Maidan, but how to get in touch with the equipment is a complete embarrassment.

              My friend, Ukrainians are not Papuans with a grenade, there are no less competent and educated officers than among us (although in essence they are us, we were only lucky that the GDP dispersed the marshes, and it would have been the same or similar to the 90s). Here, just at Kogody’s nerves could not stand the abundance of compromising and they are trying to find a compromise.
              Just do not need to negotiate with them, otherwise we just relax right away in the back trying to drive the knife.
              They have Anglo-Saxon instructors, and these concepts of honor and dignity do not have.
              1. avg
                +24
                25 July 2014 13: 23
                Quote: Oleg147741
                My friend, Ukrainians are not Papuans with a grenade, there are no less competent and educated officers than among us (although in essence they are we

                Do not live in the past, 23 years have passed, all literate retired. In 2001, they tried to resume launches and shot down the Tu-154. After that Theodosian confusion, they did not try to shoot anymore. Now, in anticipation of a war with Russia, they decided to practice, and again crap.
                1. +16
                  25 July 2014 13: 43
                  And who said you were training? Do you believe them? They still haven't provided a dispatcher record. Here you have the SU-25, the Buk, and the coincidence of the echelons ... Just as Russia presented it. And they, as always, well, "do not learn to blame" all the equipment sovkovo-skaya itself shot.
                  PS As far as I understand, our special services are required to conduct radio monitoring and recording of all negotiations. So even if the pendo junta tries to throw away the fake dispatchers talk again, then the real record will pop up. One of the trump cards.
                  1. +7
                    25 July 2014 13: 54
                    Quote: Buran
                    As I understand it, our special services are required to conduct radio monitoring and recording of all negotiations. So even if the pendo junta tries to throw away the fake dispatchers talk again, then the real record will pop up. One of the trump cards.

                    - Boeing was approaching the area of ​​responsibility of our dispatching service, i.e. was already on radio control. That's right! Let them go out of their way in self-compromising material, suffer in the "invention" of explanations, and then we propose to show those dispatchers live.
                  2. +1
                    25 July 2014 14: 21
                    SU-25 was needed, it seems, to control where it will fall, or for identification, it may be true that they marked Mark 1 on board, or a control shot .......
                    1. VAF
                      VAF
                      +2
                      25 July 2014 15: 21
                      Quote: STALGRAD76
                      maybe the truth was marked aboard number 1,


                      Do not talk nonsense .. Flight Board number 1 with the Warsaw route to Moscow through the city of Donetsk and then through Rostov ??? wassat it's called ..through .. one place wink
                      1. 0
                        25 July 2014 17: 06
                        There was an opportunity for Putin to fly from Warsaw to Sochi.
                      2. 0
                        26 July 2014 03: 47
                        There was an opportunity for Putin to fly from Warsaw to Sochi.


                        Flying to Sochi from Warsaw through the war zone is unacceptable negligence for top officials. This does not fit into the psychological portrait of GDP!
                        There was NO such opportunity!
                        it is a duck.
                      3. 0
                        20 March 2018 09: 03
                        ordinary airliners flew like this until this moment, the first persons flew to Syria and Afghanistan too. In the psychological portrait of those who shot with their songs from Andrei Deshchytsy (Ukrainian Foreign Ministry), it fits perfectly.
                  3. +3
                    25 July 2014 16: 17
                    But it bothers me that h. Boxes will decrypt in England ...
                    1. 0
                      25 July 2014 17: 45
                      Poroshenko: - I understand ... We will make it so that they will never open their mouths ...
                      Obama: - You need to tightly control all the witnesses and witnesses ... This can ruin our entire party ...
                      Poroshenko: - And what about the black boxes? ... I sent my experts to England ... so that they could work in contact with the British ... But the Russians also require access to these tape recorders or whatever ... This is very dangerous and for us, for you ... There shouldn’t be Russians there ... Otherwise ...
                      Obama: - I have already discussed this with Cameron ... Everything will be ok there ... His people will do everything right "...
                      http://novorus.info/news/analytics/25674-sensaciya-ili-operaciya-specsluzhb.html
                2. Erg
                  +2
                  25 July 2014 19: 58
                  Can you imagine that the Germans are doing exercises at the walls of Stalingrad? wassat The babble of a moron. I'm talking about dill. Well this is so, inspired by music ... But in general there was no rocket attack (the inversion trace from it hangs for several minutes and is visible for tens of kilometers). Shot down a plane
                3. 0
                  25 July 2014 20: 44
                  Quote: avg
                  Now, in anticipation of a war with Russia, they decided to practice, and again crap.

                  That is, do you suppose that it was a ZR from the Buk-M1 complex? I am not an expert, but even to me it is obvious that a whitish contrail from a solid-propellant rocket is visible for at least a minute! There is a shot of the glow of the fall, filmed immediately after the fall. There is no contrail. Explain!
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            3. +13
              25 July 2014 13: 30
              Quote: avg
              Svidomo can not carry out any exercises. They only run with a baton on the Maidan, but as they contact the equipment, it’s a complete embarrassment.

              The people there are the same as ours and there are enough competent officers, only they were not lucky that they came under the pro-American Bandera dictatorship. (we also had troubled times of Gorbatov-Yeltsin)
              Here there was a conscious provocation, and not an error in calculating the BUK.
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +6
                25 July 2014 13: 54
                Quote: volot-voin
                Here there was a conscious provocation, and not an error in calculating the BUK.


                Delivered 10000 pluses !!! good drinks soldier
                1. AVV
                  +1
                  25 July 2014 14: 12
                  Well, who else would doubt ??? They will find the extreme ones and the main ones in the form of rulers will evade responsibility !!! But not for long, such attacks are simply not forgiven !!! Americans will pour Poroshenko, how to give drink !!!
                  1. raven8888
                    0
                    26 July 2014 01: 33
                    ... Americans will pour Poroshenko ...

                    Or Kalomoisky?
                2. +2
                  25 July 2014 14: 19
                  Quote: vaf
                  Delivered 10000 pluses !!!

                  You see, Serge, I’ve said that it will be so. Now they will quietly begin to forget the story of the plane in the Western media.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF
                    0
                    25 July 2014 14: 50
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov

                    You see, Serge, I’ve said that it will be so. Now they will quietly begin to forget the story of the plane in the Western media.


                    Sanya. So our task is not to let forget, but to present to EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. but it will be like in 2001 .. "Well and Che" wassat
                    Below in 4 comments posted his "version" of what is happening. So to say, clearly show. Who is XY soldier
                    1. +2
                      25 July 2014 15: 08
                      Quote: vaf
                      Sanya. So our task is not to let forget, but to present EVERYTHING and EVERYTHING

                      1, about as many will see what was actually due to RT in the internet wink
                      1. VAF
                        VAF
                        +1
                        25 July 2014 15: 24
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        about as many will see what was actually due to RT in the internet


                        it is necessary not through the Internet and Rush Tudey. although they do their job as they should! drinks
                        And through the official Briefings of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, UN, OSCE, PACE ... then there will be a deal! soldier
                  2. +6
                    25 July 2014 14: 57
                    Absolutely agree. I suspected that the truth would come up sooner or later. But I think that this is not a failure zap. intelligence services, but their normal work. After all, they raised the dust, Europe is sure that Boeing is our job. The main thing is that the masses have already been driven into the head by mother barbarian. And the fact that sometime someone will clarify the details and the arrows will fall into place - and the Western electorate will not know about it, but if it does, then the topic has already got everyone and is not interesting. The main thing that remains in the subconscious !!! Info war understand
                    1. +4
                      25 July 2014 15: 23
                      Unfortunately, you are absolutely correct. It is imprinted in the minds of EU residents that Putin and the Russians are bastards, and who shot down the Boeing is no longer important.
                  3. Erg
                    0
                    25 July 2014 20: 19
                    I agree. Now on the Rostov shmalnuli. 47 shells. If ours is answered, they will immediately blame, and this topic will postpone the story of Boeing in the second pages. hi
                3. 0
                  25 July 2014 17: 48
                  No. For 13 years - the second exercises with Buk and TWO aircraft - to dust.
                  1. ded10041948
                    +2
                    25 July 2014 22: 13
                    In 2001, the S-200 worked.
            4. 0
              25 July 2014 18: 11
              Quote: avg
              as soon as possible to deprive the dill of the sea,

              Well, you yourself think what you are offering! Do you know how many admirals are in dill? Now imagine a bunch of admirals from a land country! laughing Are they selling seeds?
              1. 0
                26 July 2014 03: 51
                Are they selling seeds?


                Not ... Sprat!
          2. +14
            25 July 2014 13: 07
            This is not by mistake, it is by foolishness. The second time to shoot down a passenger plane by mistake ??? This is called handshake-80lvl (level)
            1. +2
              25 July 2014 15: 01
              Quote: yushch
              This is not by mistake, it is by foolishness. The second time to shoot down a passenger plane by mistake ??? This is called handshake-80lvl (level)

              Once - an accident, two times - a coincidence, three times - a pattern! Well, wait for the third time?
          3. +5
            25 July 2014 13: 44
            Quote: enot73
            Apparently there is a specific compromising evidence on Kaklov, so it’s better to present everything by mistake than by intent.

            - what other compromising evidence is needed? Everything here clearly points to the curator, so he ordered the terpils to take everything upon themselves! "Training to unlock the system "," battery commanders received keys to unlock the launch, however, no real launches of 9M38M1 missiles were envisaged."The guys were just learning to open the lock, and then it crashed because of no idea where the Boeing appeared from. A gross lie was only issued so that the fool could not believe in it. The hunters have been ordered, but they want to live, so they lie so that it becomes noticeable forced confession This is not an oversight, but a crime planned by the curator !!!
          4. +1
            25 July 2014 14: 00
            '' by a tragic accident, after some time, the flight routes of the Malaysian Boeing and the Su-25, despite the difference in echelons, coincided, merging into one on the screen. '' By a `` tragic '' accident, the Ukrainians swam. And no one else will see the battery commander, so that he does not blur out something superfluous (like we didn’t shoot, or even worse will hand over the one who ordered to shoot). HOORAY! The scapegoat is found!
        2. +2
          25 July 2014 12: 46
          So it's time for me to change the slates for sandals .... Ensign Zubrilo accidentally pressed the red button ... wassat
          1. +9
            25 July 2014 13: 44
            They have such a tradition that during air defense exercises it is imperative to shoot down a civilian plane, otherwise there is no point in these "exercises"! what
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            2. +1
              25 July 2014 14: 51
              And the exercises in the war zone - is that UKRO-NATO norm? In short, another noodles cutter.
        3. +2
          25 July 2014 13: 20
          Quote: Starfish
          it is possible that no one will see them again.

          ... no, they "confess everything", as well as in the "ruins of the local church of the 18th century" (c) ...
          and they’ll show it all on TV.
          And then ... yes ... they will be undesirable
        4. +4
          25 July 2014 13: 20
          Quote: Starfish
          it is possible that no one will see them again.

          Murder will out.
          They knew where they all disappeared at once? Gangster random bullet (s)?
          In addition, it is advisable that one of the knowledgeable people give an explanation: is there a large footprint in the sky from the 9m38M1 or 9m317 missiles of the BUK complex. Is it realistic not to see many witnesses to the disaster?
          The rocket launch of this complex itself is very bright and loud. Is it realistic for no one to see and hear in a densely populated area? what
          1. +2
            25 July 2014 13: 36
            Quote: Alekseev
            In addition, it is advisable that one of the knowledgeable people give an explanation: is there a large footprint in the sky from the 9m38M1 or 9m317 missiles of the BUK complex. Is it realistic not to see many witnesses to the disaster?

            Andrei Parshev (AP): There is another point: if the rocket engine worked above the clouds, the trace of the rocket would probably be noticed. The engine runs for 15 seconds, the rocket speed is kilometer per second. That is, the length of the loop is about 13 kilometers - but it was not visible. So, the rocket flew along a very flat trajectory, so that the entire active area was below the clouds. It apparently came out of the clouds at an altitude of 5-6 kilometers, and the satellite apparently did not see a rocket flying by inertia - it was relatively small and was controlled only by rudders, there was no loop behind it. Of course, it’s difficult to judge exactly the shape of the trajectory, it seems to fly almost in a straight line, which means that it started far from the point of impact, not less than 25 kilometers, or even from the maximum range. So it could be a hypothetical Buk of militias in Snezhny (see above), but most likely it is some kind of Buk of the Ukrainian army. I think we will find out soon.

            KM: Could someone still detect the launch of a rocket, except for satellites?

            AP: Radar satellites operating in the centimeter range are able to “peek” under the clouds. The Americans did not have such a satellite in the area. Could see ground-based and airborne radars. Again, the Americans in the region have Avax aircraft, but they are not nearby, somewhere in Romania. But there are, however, Russian air defense systems, and they have radio engineering parts.

            KM: But after all, data from radars were published at the MO briefing, and the rocket did not appear there?

            AP: At the briefing, please note - only data from civilian aeronautical services that do not "look" below 5 km (they actually see, but extra information is simply removed so as not to interfere with the controllers). Military radars see below. They try not to divulge classified information until it is vital, so as not to disclose their level of awareness.

            AP: There are many more mysteries. Clarity - what happened - is not yet. But the range of versions is shrinking.

            The first and foremost is an accident. The divisions of Ukrainian Bukovs withdrawn to combat positions around the Donbass never fired live (there are no training ranges in Ukraine). Roughly speaking, if you take a platoon of soldiers to the street and order them to train with loaded weapons, aiming at passers-by and pressing the trigger, sooner or later someone will do it with the fuse removed. And this is exactly what was being done - civilian aircraft were taken for escort, this can be argued almost certainly. In this version, one thing is not clear - where did the military aircraft come from and why?

            http://www.km.ru/world/2014/07/24/katastrofa-malaiziiskogo-boinga-pod-donetskom/
            745829-versii-vse-menshe-ssha-znali-p
            1. +2
              25 July 2014 14: 14
              What nonsense, "the rocket flew further by inertia", this hack saw at least once how an air defense missile starts and flies to the target. I had seen enough at the Asheluk training ground at the time of hitting a target with a rocket, and so the rocket engine works until it detonates at the target and the trail of the rocket is always visible. And without a preliminary control center ASURK, the operators of the installation will not have time to capture and launch. PY.SY. How many seconds the plane takes to cover the area of ​​responsibility of the installation. Speed ​​900 km. hour.
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +1
                25 July 2014 14: 53
                Quote: Djozz
                In how many seconds the aircraft will overcome the area of ​​responsibility of the installation. Speed ​​900 km. hour.


                If you take the entire diameter of the zone and fly through the center, the plane will be in the affected area for 4 minutes 15 seconds!
                If along the edge of the zone or partially, then from 2 to 3. And this is precisely in the affected area! soldier
              2. +2
                25 July 2014 16: 40
                Quote: Djozz
                What nonsense, "the rocket flew further by inertia", this hack saw at least once how an air defense missile starts and flies to the target

                Actually. yes
                When I asked a question, I did not mean at all satellites with a millimeter range, but human eyes and ears.
                After all, not Siberia, a densely populated urbanized area.
                Everyone who has never been to a training ground has now seen on TV even a ten-kilogram missile from MANPADS leave a trace in the sky.
                And then such a fool started ... and silence?
              3. +1
                25 July 2014 17: 31
                Quote: Djozz
                What nonsense, "the rocket flew further by inertia",

                This "delusion" has been a reality since the 1970s, if not before. Due to this, as you put it, "nonsense", the range of the S-125 was raised from 16 km to, if my memory serves me, 30 km - and all that made it possible to control the missile on a passive trajectory. And Buk is a much later development, so the developments on older systems simply had to be taken into account when developing.
                1. 0
                  25 July 2014 18: 56
                  You want to say that a rocket by inertia will fly further and higher than with a working marching engine! Tada You have earned the Nobel Prize.
                2. 0
                  25 July 2014 21: 42
                  Our universe is such that mass (a measure of inertia) is the main characteristic of the objects of our world, i.e. it is pointless to argue about the possibility of a rocket flying like a brick, - by inertia.
                  There are things like the CAB, which can adjust the trajectory of the fall with their stabilizer bars. Maybe this is a rocket, only it needs to actively maneuver in the final section, and without a supply of energy (fuel), these maneuvers become a lottery game.
          2. +1
            25 July 2014 14: 52
            Quote: Alekseev
            Is it realistic not to see many witnesses to the disaster?

            “You yourself can almost become an eyewitness to launching such a rocket!” On the Internet, videos with launches of such missiles are not enough. Only no one saw the rocket that shot down the Boeing !! (??) Amazing thing! And it was that afternoon, and a column of thick white smoke from the earth to the clouds, and the clouds were clear, the clouds high and the smoke slowly dissipated. Under such conditions, this launch should be visible at least within a radius of 15 km. Notice, it was not in the taiga, but in the steppes of Donbass.
        5. 0
          25 July 2014 13: 53
          not whether they arrested that he died (dieddead) the other day?
        6. macarque
          0
          25 July 2014 14: 36
          Vaughn go and hang themselves at the camera, tormented by shame, because they couldn’t recognize the FSB agent’s rocket
        7. Afonya36
          0
          25 July 2014 17: 43
          I think there will be a loud recognition by this very commander that he gave the order for a volley. It is not profitable to remove it, although the natfks have no logic!
      2. +19
        25 July 2014 12: 37
        Well....? Where are the official statements and transcript of the recorder?
        Not until Psaki confirms - we won’t believe it!
        1. +1
          25 July 2014 14: 31
          Soon the data of the recorders will be published, and there will be something: "I swear by my mother that the Russians knocked us out"
        2. 0
          25 July 2014 20: 22
          Apparently, by a tragic accident, after some time, the flight routes of the Malaysian Boeing and Su-25, despite the difference in echelons, coincided, merging into one large point on the screen, which became fatal for a civilian plane ...


          Drednout
          Not until Psaki confirms - we won’t believe it!
      3. +13
        25 July 2014 12: 37
        Hopefully, they begin to move out in the quiet. We will leave, we will be gardens.
        1. +17
          25 July 2014 12: 41
          Doge Russia !!! The truth flooded !!!
          What is the strength in, brother? - And the power is in the TRUTH !!!

          Now you need to squeeze, that would have recognized the authorized launch ...
          1. +5
            25 July 2014 13: 20
            Quote: kaa_andrey
            Now you need to squeeze, that would have recognized the authorized launch ...

            it would be very cool, and even if they said that their USA would have been forced to be really true, but they would not admit their guilt when they shot down TU 154, and the Americans said they were not going to apologize for the downed Iraqi plane. So you can be friends with them when you keep them on the fly.
          2. +4
            25 July 2014 13: 22
            Quote: kaa_andrey
            Doge Russia !!! The truth flooded !!!
            What is the strength in, brother? - And the power is in the TRUTH !!!

            Now you need to squeeze, that would have recognized the authorized launch ..

            Then they squeezed ... but in another Ukrainians begin to attack.
            Now on TV all the time they talk about shelling from the Russian side, Russian troops, together with terrorists, captured cities, and also showed some defector who said that part of them was transferred to Ukraine, GRU officers set them up that this was under the pretext of protecting Russian-speaking people, but in fact, the capture of Crimea and further territories forced him to refuse to participate .... "NO WORDS !!!!
            1. +1
              25 July 2014 14: 11
              Let them first try to prove that this is our fighter, because how to dress the Russian-speaking maydanut in Russian uniform and pass him off as our soldier, this is any fool ...., excuse the maydown. With a boyfriend, they also tried to turn the arrow on us, but broke.
      4. +1
        25 July 2014 12: 50
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        "Air defense. Corrector vognischa". This is such an important specialist who, together with the keruvalon, runs ahead of the rocket, shows the way.
        He does not run anything, he hides in the clouds with binoculars and gives clear target designations. And on that ill-fated day, he messed up everything, he was simply drunk, all the quilted jackets are like that. winked
        1. +4
          25 July 2014 13: 13
          Do you remember how in Evdokimov's miniature: "... he had some kind of colidor in the clouds ... He flies along the colidor and here - hop - the clouds are over! There are 16 Messerschmitts. Clearly, one cannot cope! - and reverse! Hour 2 waited for the Messerschmitts to scatter.
      5. +2
        25 July 2014 13: 38
        This they are in advance z.opu cover.
        They will find the extreme, try to otmazatsya.
        However, the fact speaks for itself. How many cunning w ... oh don’t twist, anyway you will get to a threaded bolt ...
      6. predator.3
        +2
        25 July 2014 13: 47
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        PS. And the Boeing Hohl dispatcher also started purely by accident?


        WHERE IS THE DISPATCHER? Or have you already buried in a mass grave ?! request
        1. +2
          25 July 2014 15: 08
          Quote: predator.3
          Or have you already buried in a mass grave ?!

          Committed suicide from remorse.
      7. +2
        25 July 2014 14: 00
        Quote: bulvas
        So it seems like a cover action


        En, no ... This is not a cover operation, this is a dumb excuse. After all, each commander-in-chief arranges air defense "exercises" in the combat zone. Well, this is the best place. There are also a lot of Novorossiysk fighters, attack aircraft, bombers flying there. So one day they "learn", and the next, when they start knocking down, only the fur coat is wrapped up.
        1. +1
          25 July 2014 14: 47
          Quote: Sunjar
          Quote: bulvas
          So it seems like a cover action


          En, no ... This is not a cover operation, this is a dumb excuse.


          We all understand that the United States has started this in order to act on Europe.

          Now, the United States can’t afford to expose itself, so they will hide behind and carry out distracting actions wherever possible.
          For example, in Taiwan, in Mali, in Gaza ....
      8. VAF
        VAF
        +5
        25 July 2014 14: 11
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        PS. And the Boeing Hohl dispatcher also started purely by accident?


        Guys .. let me express my OPINION. Which in no way pretends to be "the truth in the first instance" or even to DOGMU .. so just thinking common sense at your leisure drinks , but these thoughts allow you to answer a lot of questions and matters of dill.
        And so:
        I won’t go into details of why this is a PLANNED PROMOTION, but right away I’ll move on to the topic WHAT exactly did you do (fill up the civilian Boeing) and it’s the Dutch (after all, there was still a whole bunch ... choose any one. But chose the Dutch bully

        Even in the Maidan period, it gathered or arose. As Gleb Zheglov used to say (a criminal community, in the common people called ka BANDA composed of Americans, Britons and ... Dutch) .. yes, yes, respected Dutch people.
        The purpose of this gang. The political and geopolitical interests mainly valued natural products. such as oil. uranium and .. shale gas ... that’s exactly what the Dutch got ... this shale gas.

        A little history of this "deal of the century":

        On April 30, 2013, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, Beatrix Wilhelmina Armgard, abdicated in favor of her son, having ruled the throne for 33 years. Her son ascended to the throne, 46-year-old Prince of Orange of Willem, Alexander, which to some extent violated the long-standing "female version" of rule in the Netherlands.



        Beatrice and Prince of Orange Willem Alexander

        The volume is large. So continued .. follows drinks
        1. +2
          25 July 2014 14: 16
          No wonder that the main reason for the war in Ukraine is money.
        2. VAF
          VAF
          +3
          25 July 2014 14: 20
          Quote: vaf
          The volume is large. So continued .. follows


          Together with the kingdom, Prince Alexander and Princess Maxima inherited capital - the main assets of the dynasty of the company Fillips, KLM and wink "Royal Dutch Shell." wassat

          Royal Dutch Shell - this is the Dutch-British concern wassat combining energy and petrochemical companies, it operates in more than 90 countries. Shell is headquartered in The Hague, Netherlands.

          24 January 2013 Ukraine has signed a production sharing agreement for 50 years with Shell, which will invest and produce shale gas in South-East Ukraine. bully
          Naturally, this agreement with Shell was kept secret and its terms are not subject to disclosure for 55 years, but in our time lol oh there is nothing so secret that would not have become obvious and obvious. bully

          Contractual The shale gas production area is a territory mainly of Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov regions with an area of ​​7 square kilometers.

          This territory completely includes cities: Slavyansk, Raisin, Barvenkovo, a huge piece of Kramatorsk, part of Druzhkovka and Balakliya, as well as dozens and hundreds of smaller settlements.



          Here is a list of only the largest of them: Gusarovka, Savintsy, Chervony Oskol, Krasny Lyman, Seversk, Yasnogorka, Avdeevka, Krasnogorovka, Orlovka, Kamyshevka, Novogrigorovka, Novonikolaevka, Toretskoye, Alexandrovka, Novoaleksandrovka, Ocheretino, Petrovskoye, Velikaya Kamyshevakha, Chervony Shakhtov.

          To be continued drinks
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +2
            25 July 2014 14: 45
            According to Article 37.2 of this Agreementstate provides “... If the land plots are privately owned and the owners did not agree to conclude the Land Plots Agreements on a voluntary basis or require the inclusion of conditions in such Land Plots Agreements that, according to the justified opinion of the Operator, are unacceptable, termination ... private rights property, permanent use, lease and other rights of third parties regarding such land plots.

            All plots that are subject to such termination ... are then provided to Shell Operator within a reasonable time on the basis of Land Agreements, which include reasonable conditions. "


            Now, in a simple way, without economics and jurisprudence, but ... in Russian. drinks

            If Shell declares that there may be shale gas beneath a house, plant, garden or wheat field, residents will be required to sell their property to the Dutch at the price that the Operator will offer. wassat
            If the proposed price does not suit, the state is obliged to seize the property by force and transfer it to Shell. lol


            The agreement with Shell Articles 5.3.3, 5.6.3, 5.6.4, 7.1 (l) provides for the possibility of joining the shale gas development zone of any site of your choice located virtually anywhere in Ukraine. laughing
            And the state is obliged to give it to destruction immediately and free of charge.
            wassat

            To be continued
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +3
              25 July 2014 14: 47
              Quote: vaf
              To be continued


              Today, Poroshenko has no opportunity for the resettlement of residents of the South-East of Ukraine to other regions, but it is. This resettlement has never been planned.

              Attempts to destroy the population in the South-East during the ATO did not lead to the expected result; the current leadership of Ukraine also lacks the necessary resources for this.

              One thing remains: to ask the owners of Shell - King of the Netherlands Willem-Alexander - to "deal" with the local population of the South-East (the militia of Novorossia) and get "their" .... "property" wassat

              But here there are several nuances6

              1. The King Willem-Alexander cannot defend the interests of Shell in any other way than by bringing the armed forces of the Netherlands to the southeast of Ukraine.

              2. The introduction of troops is possible only as part of NATO under the guise of a peacekeeping force and with the sanction of the UN Security Council.
              And in order to bring the peacekeeping forces of NATO countries to the South-East of Ukraine, Novorossia must be recognized as an international terrorist entity.

              That, in fact, is all, that's why there is "work" on the squares and on the infrastructure of cities and villages (they will be demolished anyway. And this is de money .. so let at least dill) THE DESTROYING OF THE PEACEFUL POPULATION IS GOING ON. NOT NECESSARY), the rest of the people flee to the Russian Federation (the same will not have to pay for plots and houses to anyone).
              Therefore, on July 17, the Malaysian Boeing 777 was selected and shot down (yes because it flew from the Netherlands), on board of which at least 143 passengers were citizens of the Netherlands.
              And Poroshenko was assured that it was the militia of New Russia that was found guilty of the attack. bully
              But .. for each there is .... a bolt with a screw that goes through all the mazes.

              Now it’s clear why the Anglo-Saxons are decrypting. and the results (which they will then give to the Dutch) will not be announced. but only those who consider it necessary wassat
              There you have it .. ICAO-Cocoa wassat
            2. +2
              25 July 2014 14: 53
              Quote: vaf
              And the state is obliged to give it to destruction immediately and free of charge.

              Good day, Sergey.
              It turns out that bombing everything in a row is already saving .. you don’t have to redeem it .. you’ll declare the separatists with confiscation .. that's all.
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +3
                25 July 2014 15: 37
                Quote: Scoun
                It turns out that bombing everything in a row is already saving .. you don’t have to redeem it .. you’ll declare the separatists with confiscation .. that's all.


                Absolutely exactly Roman, absolutely! +! drinks
                Not for nothing parashkin already flew to the Netherlands or called lol And already Shell "posted" his announcement that it was like "we are not in business, because we have carried out geological exploration there and there is no gas there" .. in general. 2 I’m not me and .. but I’m not mine "!!! wassat

                A lot of oddities. Very much, already wrote about the Anglo-Saxons and the Dutch .. how side are they to the ICAO international commission ???
                Moreover, the recorders are WHOLE and they need up to several weeks for decryption and processing ???
                What nonsense!
                In addition to his personal affairs, any pilot also has a FLIGHT CASE. He conducts it himself. It reflects his FLIGHT WORK in all respects, and besides this, all materials for all checks, control flights, and all kinds of events.
                To all the funds there are also the Protocols of the records of the MS or the Voice informant, i.e. you take the film yourself in a secret you insert into the tape recorder. headphones or an external speaker and ON-PLAY-STOP-REWIND-PLAY and so on all the necessary stage. you write time with a pen and who said what.
                The flight section is at 1 o’clock .. for 1,5 hours you can easily put it on paper.
                And here .. digital processing and transfer to the computer and ... a few weeks ????

                I just want to say to Rutta .. "to whom are you soaring brains ... you are not on Privoz" wassat
                1. +1
                  25 July 2014 15: 49
                  Sergey, in general, many thanks to you about the Dutch .. that they might be somehow sideways mixed with Ukrainian affairs, I didn’t even think)))) but it turns out that the crowned offspring is involved.
                  PS
                  Regarding Boeing, the dill and the Anglo-Saxons have already begun to make informational stuffing along the way that "supposedly by accident" could have been shot down during the "exercises". Looks like there is some kind of backstage bargaining. (((
                  The Government of the Netherlands is seriously considering the possibility of sending a special KST (Korps Commandotroepen) unit to the east of Ukraine, one of the tasks of which will be the capture of the Minister of Defense of the DPR Igor Strelkov. It is reported by LifeNews with reference to the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf "....

                  oops ... again stoned lit up
                2. 0
                  25 July 2014 16: 57
                  Please indicate the source of information
      9. +1
        25 July 2014 14: 16
        Nalyvaiko himself (not a mistake) and caught))
      10. 0
        25 July 2014 16: 12
        Yes, Nalyvaichenko just hurt herself .. and the guys from BEECH in the Canary Islands will live lol
        1. 0
          25 July 2014 17: 38
          Quote: boboss
          and the guys from beech to Kabunk will live
          And then if they do not send quietly to the expense.
      11. 0
        26 July 2014 15: 17
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        PS. And the Boeing Hohl dispatcher also started purely by accident?

        Now gringos with banderlogs will be excused. Who will believe these nits after so many crimes.
    2. +3
      25 July 2014 12: 39
      Well, this is already a good version, although it still doesn’t explain why the plane was launched 500 km north of the route at that time.
      1. VAF
        VAF
        0
        25 July 2014 15: 41
        Quote: g1v2
        why the plane was launched 500 km north of the route at this particular time.


        At this time. Because what was available by this time, ukrov was already ready! Well, about 500 km, you are very bent over. But that you sent a Boeing on another route, yes.
        And the answer is simple over long distances to transport beeches at ukrov there is no fuel. No possibility. and here everything seems to be close by and the ZZ and the highway and Buki.
    3. +2
      25 July 2014 12: 41
      Quote: bulvas
      Who would doubt that.

      Obama & EU .... wink laughing
      1. +7
        25 July 2014 12: 57
        Quote: Tersky
        Quote: bulvas
        Who would doubt that.

        Obama & EU .... wink laughing



        Yes, this piss in the eye - God's dew.

        To sue compensation, moral and lost profits, in a few lards, they will begin to think before they fuck up

        At the same time, ask aloud for everyone to hear:
        - Gentlemen, where is democracy, where is freedom of speech, where are fair courts and the rule of law?
        - Who are the terrorists and who supports them?

        If there were exercises, then the conflict has nothing to do with it. Russia cannot even be blamed indirectly

        1. +2
          25 July 2014 13: 04
          And to award the official title "Kizdabol". Henceforth, to declare nothing other than: "Today, an appeal to the people of the President of Ukraine Kizdabol-Poroshenko took place." or "Kizdabol President, what do you think .....?"

          It's time to teach Svidomo to answer for the bazaar.
    4. +5
      25 July 2014 12: 43
      Everything is correct, so far only sources say. Officially, nothing has been said. And the world community will understand and forgive.
      1. +3
        25 July 2014 13: 25
        Quote: gre4any
        Officially, nothing has been said.

        But on Ukrainian TV, the situation is being escalated, which is PROVEN by the Americans, that they were shot down by terrorists, and, in general, by shelling by Russia. And it is declared by OFFICIAL persons - security officers !!!
    5. +1
      25 July 2014 12: 47
      It’s clear that Putin’s agents sat and pressed buttons at the buttons, it’s understandable, but soon there will be infa that the DISPATCHER who directed the aircraft by changing the flight route is a deeply secret agent of the Kremlin ...
      1. 0
        25 July 2014 13: 07
        Agents or non-agents are unknown - the fact that the commander of an air defense platoon (what kind of connection I can’t imagine, there must be a battery or a division) was killed in Donetsk.
        1. 0
          25 July 2014 17: 46
          Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
          Agents or non-agents are unknown - the fact that the commander of an air defense platoon (what kind of connection I can’t imagine, there must be a battery or a division) was killed in Donetsk.

          Pzhalsta fact in the studio.

          Seriously, it’s painfully interesting fact, it doesn’t attract direct evidence, but it’s quite indirect.

          And the air defense platoon at the older S-125 complex is 2 calculations of the launcher and leitech commander. Likely on the Beech a little differently.
        2. 0
          25 July 2014 18: 19
          Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
          Air defense platoon commander (what kind of connection - I’ll hardly imagine if there should be a battery or a division)

          Well, for example, the KUB battery has 2 of a platoon of self-propelled launchers.
    6. 0
      25 July 2014 12: 53
      Well, there was no trace of an inversion from the rocket, in the area of ​​the fall.
    7. +8
      25 July 2014 12: 54
      Guys, do not rush to wish out, for a fait accompli! As a version, it has the right to life. And here An unnamed source in the power structures of UkraineYou can’t get to the point. So while we wait, IMHO.
    8. 0
      25 July 2014 12: 58
      The casket just opened.
      1. +3
        25 July 2014 13: 12
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Casket just opened

        Still, it is not entirely clear with Americanosis. Really hoped that all ride? Did not know about the existence of recorders? airspace control systems in Russia? What is the reason? Why were you shot down? What to blame for the militia? Bring ukrovoyak out of the boiler?
        For the sake of this, to kill almost three hundred innocent people?
        But what kind of demons are these Satanists? Cannibals!
        1. +2
          25 July 2014 15: 37
          Quote: Drednout
          Still, it is not entirely clear with Americanosis. Really hoped that all ride? Did not know about the existence of recorders? airspace control systems in Russia? What is the reason? Why were you shot down? What to blame for the militia? Bring ukrovoyak out of the boiler?
          For the sake of this, to kill almost three hundred innocent people?
          But what kind of demons are these Satanists? Cannibals!

          But can not it be that the junta was used in the dark? They just informed them that Putin is flying in this Boeing, and they will have the opportunity to win in the Southeast if they can shoot down this plane. Then the shift of the train to the north justifies this idea - the junta will think that the plane is flying to Russia and that means this is Putin’s plane, and the coloring of the liners is similar. But that is why Amers needed this - most likely in order to dump everything on Russia. And just to shoot down the Malaysian Boeing, the Ukrainians would hardly have begun. But only, I am afraid, we will not find out the truth. That is my point of view, it may seem ridiculous to someone, but it also has a right to exist.
    9. +1
      25 July 2014 13: 02
      Quote: bulvas


      So it seems like a cover action

      I am sure that when preparing for the destruction of the liner, a variant was calculated in advance (in case something goes wrong as expected) with an error in the exercises. Such "events" are always prepared taking into account all possible scenarios.
    10. +2
      25 July 2014 13: 03
      Here, apparently, the situation is like that of magicians. When something is intentionally shown, stretching out a hand, attracting the attention of the audience, it means that they are hiding in the other hand. So here, apparently, the situation is much worse. Pilots from the SU-25 launched a rocket in Boeing, got into the engine, but the plane did not suffer fatal injuries. After that, they finished him off with guns. Whether they want to hide it ...
      1. +1
        25 July 2014 14: 51
        if they finished off the guns, the crew would probably have time to broadcast something on the air, but this was not.
    11. 0
      25 July 2014 13: 08
      Quote: bulvas
      Who would doubt that.

      Spinning like a Mr. in a pan.

      How not to get out, do not blame the neighbor and the facts are stubborn things. In my fool it’s already obvious who shot down the Boeing, to whom it was beneficial. Soon, experts will probably give an answer than they brought down.
      They conducted the exercises just like that, there was a deliberate provocation to substitute the Russian Federation.
    12. +1
      25 July 2014 13: 10
      Quote: bulvas
      So it seems like a cover action


      everything is correct, it looks like a "excuse" of cowboys "ashybka urkavoin nedotёb". What? swallowed ...
      Performance, all the same, is very bad ...
      There was a "Buk", there was no "Buk" - it is not known. But you can't get rid of the R-60!



      True events, as well as specific participants, especially leaders, as always, will remain behind the scenes ...
      1. 0
        25 July 2014 14: 21
        This is only the direction of impact by a part of the rocket, the rocket itself exploded to the side. Question? How did the fighter finish off a wounded Boeing with passengers? I think that the SU-25 used all on-board weapons, and this is a cannon, a machine gun, and air-to-air missiles. Glory to Ukraine. Glory to the heroes.
    13. +8
      25 July 2014 13: 12
      Quote: bulvas
      a mistake will not work

      This is not a mistake, but a direct provocation by the Malaysian liner! smile

      If a passenger plane is shot down:
      pro-Russian militias: bloody attack of drunk quilted jackets;
      Russia: Putin's usual crime against democracy;
      Ukraine: failure of the Soviet rust system; obviously rigged with padded;
      U.S.: Boeing was the first to threaten!
    14. Bayard
      +2
      25 July 2014 13: 22
      Quote: bulvas
      So it seems like a cover action


      She is, and this time at least a little bit like something - covering the ears of an American donkey. But there are still a lot of questions, but the main ones after the decoding of the talks between the pilots and the dispatchers from Dnepropetrovsk is announced, let's listen to what the British storytellers will tell ... and only after that you can enjoy the full Russian version, including by radio exchange of Ukrainian Su.
    15. +3
      25 July 2014 13: 23
      That's the whole story about the "irrefutable" evidence of Russia's involvement in the Boeing crash. Egghead resigned and will most likely go to the mattress toppers. The rest will run away the same.
    16. +3
      25 July 2014 13: 27
      Quote: bulvas
      Spinning like a Mr. in a pan.

      I threw this info two hours ago on dill to the censor .. so they immediately covered it))) although they left the link to a foreign resource ... these are the dill .. everything that they don’t like from the inside they push))) But I'm patient .. I’ll see how they continue to sing on their Svidomo resource.
    17. Caa
      +2
      25 July 2014 13: 41
      However, a number of questions remain:
      why did the course and level of the Boeing change (especially if the air defense exercises were planned!), what kind of military aircraft was near the Boeing, what was the real Boeing shot down from?


      And there are still questions: 1) they just arrived at the place, they didn’t even carry out the exercises - the keys to unlock combat launches have already been issued; 2) the recordings of negotiations between the dispatcher and the crew were removed: but it was sense to be afraid of them, if everything was so - the plane wouldn’t even have time to pickle from the beech, which means that either the beech had nothing to do with it, or after the beech it was finished; 3) what do mattresses hide? Rocket launch / who controls the territory - try to figure it out there! It can be concluded that the mattresses spotted a military aircraft in close proximity; 4) what about the falsified records of negotiations between the militias and the Russian officer? Records were uploaded to the network the day before the disaster.

      So the provocation was definitely pre-planned. And definitely something went wrong. At first, they hoped to hang all this outright on Russia, then, when it came to a standstill - through the militia, then - they wanted to present it as a "mistake of the militia", and now, when there are no cards in their hands at all, they found scapegoats.

      By the way, with the scapegoats: with the general desertion in the zone of the so-called. "ATO" and knowing its military leadership - it is strange that the combat crew, after knocking down a civilian ship, did not disappear on their own. It's strange! These are Ukrainians! This means that we were doing the job.

      But, 2 things are of most interest now:
      1) what else will Russia show
      2) The West, on unfounded accusations and pure populism, is already expanding sanctions and threatening Russia from all over the world. Question: will it all roll back or stop? In general, HOW will the west get out of the situation ??? HOW will they everywhere in the media explain the lifting of sanctions, the change in rhetoric, how will they write that Ukrainians are to blame? AS??? Seems to me that NO. They don’t recognize anything, except for the words of Psaki and hysterics from Rada. + see below

      So it seems like a cover action


      So it is: they are trying to blame it on the "human factor". Or maybe they will come up with a GRU or FSB saboteur who infiltrated the combat crew and launched.
    18. +1
      25 July 2014 14: 07
      If it is shot down by an air-to-air missile, training and error will not work. So it seems like a cover action

      Yes! It ... looks like ... looming as the most plausible version of the PROVOCATION COVERAGE ACTION, whose goal is to blame everything on Russia ... and get an excuse to bring in NATO forces to support the dill in their failed punitive action.
      And the questions are not only about changing the course and level ... there are still many questions - why there were so many SAM BUK-1 air defense systems ... and at the same time they gave out unlocking keys for launching missiles (This is not done at the exercises!) ... why they sent along another corridor and pulled the liner out of the flight corridor, lowered the train ... why there are obvious signs of defeat from the fragmentation-prone warhead missiles AIR-AIR ... Whoever is a hunter will agree ... that this is all like a wolf or boar corral chains of hunters. So the Boeing was driven to the linear construction of an air defense system ... while changing the route and flight level ... And the air defense system itself was placed as close as possible to the control territories of the militias ... so that then the SPRN satellite Amerov would fix the launch site in rough terms as a territory DNR.
      Everything speaks for ... that this is a cover action ...
      BUT EVERYTHING IS EQUAL - THE SILENT IN THE BAG DO NOT RELAX !!! THE TRUTH WILL CLEAR OUT TO FREEDOM .... how not to isolate it with stucco from lies and coasters ... fraud !!!
    19. +2
      25 July 2014 14: 13
      The main thing that Europe would believe in the destruction of the Boeing 777 is to blame for Ukraine. But most likely this is a crap. What an accident. And drying at 10000 m. Rose to simulate the goal. And 4 minutes it was barraging around the downed Boeing 777. They thought that there they shot down the other side and a bummer came out. Therefore, spinning. DILLS.
    20. 0
      25 July 2014 14: 18
      Quote: bulvas
      Who would doubt that.

      Yes there are some from the State Department.
    21. Alexander Ming
      +1
      25 July 2014 14: 55
      It was a mistake when the Russian plane was shot down during the exercises in CRIMEA in 2001 — now malicious intent was filed by Biden, he often went to Ukropia when it came to finding out RABBIT escaped, he feels the infection is mutant, what’s going to end for him and am within the framework of the Khan’s mass media
    22. +1
      25 July 2014 15: 00
      Hmm ... Apparently the info about DECODING black boxes went ... Here are the Nazi rats and MUCH !!!
    23. 0
      25 July 2014 16: 07
      And here is an interesting video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L33Mo9d1-RU
    24. RAA
      +1
      25 July 2014 16: 23
      After Novaya Gazeta apologized to the Netherlands for the downed Boeing, it became clear that the employees of this newspaper were somehow connected with the tragedy.
    25. artemon0502
      +1
      25 July 2014 17: 17
      excuses begin
    26. 0
      25 July 2014 20: 09
      bulvas
      Spinning like a Mr. in a pan.

      You will envy you, dear: you know everything, you saw everything, even how shit.mo behaves in a frying pan. Not everyone has seen this. Think what you write. Or is it not necessary for the "three-star generals" to think? Otherwise, I agree with you.
  2. +35
    25 July 2014 12: 32
    REAR TRANSMISSION ... GO!

    men read all the top comments ... all the plus .. but I want to add this:

    my Wife, a woman wise, but far from politics, when we touched on these topics and discussed our policies and the policies of other countries .. as a result, said a wonderful phrase .. I had nothing to object to ...

    she said so ... here you look .. there is a category of people like you who don’t spend a lot of effort but everyone and everyone revolves around them, because it’s better not to dragon .. Putin too .. this one can not fuck everyone getting up from the couch and doing so gently politely and without rudeness ... you would have to learn from him.
    1. +3
      25 July 2014 12: 47
      1. Ukraine, just in case, is preparing a backup site in the history of the Boeing. There are already reports that the launch of the missile that destroyed the Boeing could have occurred unauthorized during some air defense exercises of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, during which combat crews were trained to cover ground troops on the outskirts of Donetsk.

      Link: http://el-murid.livejournal.com/1939979.html#comments

      2. In a telephone conversation with Obama, Poroshenko admitted that the Boeing was shot down by Ukrainian air defenses, "and was finishing off the Su-25" ...

      Link: http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/2125404/post331795866/

      MAKE CONCLUSIONS. Petruha and Barak have a bad and very bad option.
      1. +3
        25 July 2014 12: 55
        Quote: SibRUS
        MAKE CONCLUSIONS.


        I voiced this version earlier ... only on the contrary, I shot down Su and finished off Buk so that he would not fall into the territory of Russia. you che .. give all the evidence to us ..

        Quote: SibRUS
        Petruha and Barak have a bad and very bad option.


        And both are unpromising .... because with both options they lose everything ... Russia has more compelling arguments ... Iskander for Europe and Poplar for America. We’ll entrust Strelkov with taking Kiev ... he deserves it .. hi
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    3. sanek0207
      +2
      25 July 2014 13: 28
      Give GOD HEALTH to you and your wife! Happiness and all the best!
      1. +4
        25 July 2014 13: 39
        Quote: sanek0207
        To you and your wife!


        Thank you .. but this is only a comparison which she emphasized only that many of us still do not understand ... and focus only on the word gun with a kind word ... Honestly I disagree with many in the leader’s policy, but I already wrote that how a man is impressed by his quality - not to give up his own ... I myself will take away like a sloppy cat but will not give it to others ... Those who served he knows how this quality of a commander is appreciated by subordinates.
    4. +1
      25 July 2014 14: 54
      Quote: vorobey

      ... so Putin .. this one can fuck everyone without even getting up from the couch and does it gently politely and without rudeness ... you should learn from him.


      So for that we respect him (GDP)
      There was EBN, everyone was saying it’s not too lazy, they crawled into the swamp under this talking room, sick of chatter.

      And now we are waiting for the president’s speech, and most importantly, after the words the results begin to appear. And we like the results.

      Clever is your wife, sees the main thing.
  3. +6
    25 July 2014 12: 33
    "This is not me, it is itself ..." ... In general, what kind of "smart" person came up with the idea to conduct exercises in a combat zone ... Clowns ... bully
    1. +2
      25 July 2014 12: 40
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      In general, what "smart" person came up with the idea to conduct exercises in a combat zone ... Clowns ...

      Exactly the same one who in 2001 trained in the Crimea in our Tu-154.
  4. +8
    25 July 2014 12: 34
    Our military talked about this. It all fits together. Now I must admit Poroshenko.
    1. 0
      25 July 2014 12: 50
      Nothing converges yet .. maybe a small step back, not to admit that they SPECIALLY BEATED !!
  5. +11
    25 July 2014 12: 34
    reports RT channel with reference to RIA Novosti
    Alas, for the West these are NOT SOURCES. And yet, the pilot or pilots of the Su25, and according to some sources there was a PAIR, always conducted radio communications with the Earth. I think we have these negotiations, but this is one of MANY trump cards that our side has not yet laid out ...
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    1. +2
      25 July 2014 12: 36
      Quote: kot28.ru
      randomness? n
      - quieter, quieter, there may be small children on the site! laughing
  7. +4
    25 July 2014 12: 36
    Decided to merge the performers? And the excuse will go, mistake-s.
  8. +6
    25 July 2014 12: 36
    I am sure that neither they, nor the Dutch with the Americans, nor the Australians will even think about apologizing. neither before us nor before his people! there is no truth on earth
    1. arch_kate3
      +1
      25 July 2014 13: 05
      Why apologies? Let them pay MORAL DAMAGE to all those who were accused and who were killed (doubly)!
  9. +4
    25 July 2014 12: 37
    Interestingly, at least one of those who poured mud on Putin to apologize?
  10. 0
    25 July 2014 12: 37
    screamed
  11. WAN
    +2
    25 July 2014 12: 37
    Right now, the refutation will be ....
    We are waiting with the cries of a boar and a monkey ...
  12. +3
    25 July 2014 12: 38
    Is the situation with the Russian technical conditions over the Black Sea repeated?
    The low professional training of the Ukrainian army is used in the propaganda war against Russia.
    It's a shame that the consequences of this tragedy will be no, as in the case of TU.
  13. +5
    25 July 2014 12: 38
    We will wait for official apologies to Russia from officials + the lifting of sanctions that were imposed after the fall of Boeing ........ Something I dreamed about))))
    1. 0
      25 July 2014 13: 16
      Quote: astapminus
      We will wait for official apologies to Russia from officials + the lifting of sanctions that were imposed after the fall of Boeing ........ Something I dreamed about))))

      Officially, there’s nothing to apologize for.
      An anonymous source, this is not a recognition, do you not understand this?
  14. +3
    25 July 2014 12: 40
    Yeah, just yesterday the former commander of the air defense of Ukraine said that they did not have the BUK-M1 in service, since they began to enter the troops only in 1990 and did not get to Ukraine.
    Let’s bet that the commander of the 156th anti-aircraft missile regiment and the crew admit that they were long and tightly recruited by Strelkov or Bolotov, and they carried out the same missile launch on the Air Force plane, but failed, missed and hit the Boeing?
    logical question: What kind of exercises are they conducting in the combat zone and why give out unlock keys if real launches are not expected? Or without an unlock key, the JMA turns into a pile of immovable scrap?
    1. +2
      25 July 2014 12: 45
      Just a minute! This is the same "commander" under whose leadership the Ukrainians did not "shoot down" in 2001 fellow S-200 Tu-154 lol
    2. 0
      25 July 2014 13: 15
      I’m not an expert in the field of air defense technology, but in my opinion, when a complex like Buk is deployed on the ground, it performs a number of measures to bring it into a state of readiness. In this case, only two toggle switches that provide combat launch (if turned on, will be combat start).
      If I am wrong, specialists (if any are on this military site) will correct me.
  15. Drfreeman
    +7
    25 July 2014 12: 40
    After a briefing by the RF Ministry of Defense, it became clear that the air defense of the APU shot down the airliner. Just after a question to the Americans about the pictures from their satellite, I assume that these pictures (from the US satellite) already exist in the Russian Ministry of Defense. Now ours are traded with the USA.
  16. 0
    25 July 2014 12: 41
    Quote: Tlauicol
    I am sure that neither they, nor the Dutch with the Americans, nor the Australians will even think about apologizing. neither before us nor before his people! there is no truth on earth

    The truth is, and she is behind us
  17. +1
    25 July 2014 12: 41
    Even if the flight recorders decode and establish the place for the launch of the missiles, they will still until the last claim that that territory was controlled by the militia and that they launched the rocket. Therefore, we need a recording of the dispatcher’s conversation, or we need a detailed satellite image of Buk complexes and their escorts, how and where they retired after the missiles were launched. But the fact that the Boeing MH17 APU was shot down is a fact.
  18. +2
    25 July 2014 12: 43
    I can finally offer the version - "knocked out of the laptop by hackers of the Onenimus group", but if we seriously find out the truth in 15 years.
  19. Bombardier
    +3
    25 July 2014 12: 43
    MOSCOW, Jul 25 - RIA News. The legendary Hollywood director Oliver Stone urged not to take on faith information from the American media that accused Russia of involvement in the crash of the Malaysia Airlines passenger airliner.
    In a post on the director's Facebook page, Stone stressed the need to explore alternative perspectives from journalists who, he said, look at the circumstances of the Malaysian Boeing 777 crash "deeper than the fourth estate."
    “That would be too good. After a massive attack from the American media, try reading these fascinating investigations by two honest journalists who take this issue deeper than our propagandizing fourth estate does,” the director notes.
    Stone cites Robert Perry and Pepe Escobar as examples, who, in turn, write that US authorities intentionally bring down a stream of information on their citizens that imposes the official position of Washington on the Americans, without providing any concrete evidence.


    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140725/1017495823.html#ixzz38T6PAoLz
  20. +3
    25 July 2014 12: 43
    Nothing but an attempt to get away from what was actually, since the truth for the junta and mattresses is much worse. What is called a transfer from premeditated murder with aggravating to the article - murder by negligence.
  21. +2
    25 July 2014 12: 43
    This is already interesting! It seems that even before the investigation, everything will be clarified. That nation, Khokhlov, that is, it is scary to trust rockets, their life does not teach anything. According to the UN mandate, it is necessary to seize all their air defense from them; it is turning from defense into an attack.
    1. 0
      25 July 2014 12: 45
      and don’t say the technique for the savage burden)))))
    2. 0
      25 July 2014 15: 38
      But what does the Ukrainians have to do with it, they are just executors of the order! Amerikosy now stupidly drain Ukraine, they say "they are stupid, they do not know how to handle technology!" And just to cover your ass!
  22. +6
    25 July 2014 12: 44
    And now we will wait for the surrender of the Kiev junta from the State Department ... it was not in vain that the rabbit ran away and Kerry preempted it by phone ... He is afraid of p.a.dl.a (the most cultural thing that he "dug up" in his thoughts) ...
    1. +2
      25 July 2014 13: 05
      Why didn’t you like Khitrukovsky a rabbit? am
  23. Alex 72
    +1
    25 July 2014 12: 44
    It seems that the shavers heard something from the boxes, and most likely not only the shaves, which Psaki will not be able to disprove using the method.
    1. 0
      25 July 2014 13: 08
      Quote: Alex 72
      It seems that the shavers heard something from the boxes, and most likely not only the shaves, which Psaki will not be able to disprove using the method.
      Here are many sinners who have too much of the Britons, but in fact they have the most fundamental expertise, they will impart to the Americans for their joy, but they will not specially rig the facts, I believe them in deciphering black boxes, they have no interest not in the European Union, not in the ruins, we will wait for the results of decryption, but about the European Union, Britons have long pushed the skis to steer from there, tired of feeding the beggars, and they are being taken more and more
      1. 0
        25 July 2014 14: 44
        feel Polonium polonium polonium feel (whistle) feel
  24. 0
    25 July 2014 12: 44
    doctrines? during the fighting? or is there also conducting exercises with destruction and combat launches?
  25. RUSLAT
    0
    25 July 2014 12: 44
    Something interesting, but still not a lot of connections. The conclusion suggests itself, the provocation failed, they are looking for the switchman ......
  26. +1
    25 July 2014 12: 44
    I felt Bandera @ oops, what smells like. In this situation, it is better to admit a mistake in an exercise than to purposefully destroy the Boeing.
    It did not work to "drop" it onto the territory of Russia, you have to get out of your own shit in the least painless way.
  27. 0
    25 July 2014 12: 45
    To date, the world has not had a single downed plane after an unauthorized launch.
    Pressing the START button does not lead to an unauthorized start. KVO - the circular probable deviation on this air defense system is not more than 20m.
    1. +1
      25 July 2014 13: 21
      I repeat my comment
      "I am not an expert in the field of air defense technology, but in my opinion, when a complex like the Buk is deployed on the ground, it performs a number of measures to put it into a state of readiness. At the same time, only two toggle switches that provide a combat launch are not included (if they are turned on, there will be combat launch).
      If I am wrong, the experts (if any on this military site) will correct me. "
      If you are a specialist, please respond.
  28. +1
    25 July 2014 12: 45
    yes nifiga amers no, otherwise they would have already laid out "standing up" for dill. the Americans have already moved out - their intelligence has already made a statement. Now it's up to Psaka
  29. +4
    25 July 2014 12: 45
    25.07.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX Morning report from the militia.

    Over the past two days, the situation on the fronts has not changed much. Artudars in Lugansk and Donetsk continue almost around the clock. The intensity of artillery strikes has decreased, but the number of air raids has increased, and yesterday’s squadron order in the skies over Novorossia was, according to unspecified, one rook of the enemy was shot down.
    Along the perimeter of Lugansk, Donetsk (partially within the city limits), Lisichansk, Severodonetsk (outskirts, from the Sirotino side), Debaltseve, Gorlovka, Sands, Marinovka and other n / a were maneuverable using mortars, KPVT, a cliff, AGS, A- 30, PG, automatic weapons and light machine guns. In the battle areas and the junta, they were not particularly able to advance; stripping operations continue in the occupied territories. Dogs and national guards conduct violent recruitment companies in their punitive units.
    Our units worked quite successfully in the area of ​​both airports and in a number of other defense sectors. The actions in the defense of Lysychansk were especially successful for us, after fierce shelling of the city from the MLRS and howitzer artillery of dill, we carried out a number of successful measures, as a result of which the enemy group, which attacked the northern borders of Lysychansk (direction from Rubezhnoye), was partially destroyed in ambushes and counterattack thrown back to previously occupied lines.
    Over the past two days, Lysychansk has never gone over to the enemy, and if you look back for earlier periods, the enemy never managed to enter the city and gain a foothold on its borders. In the city there is a serious destruction of the residential sector and infrastructure, there is no electricity, gas and water, serious interruptions in communication. Dill except warriors with a civilian population are not capable of anything else.
    In the course of the last two days, the irretrievable losses of punishers are approaching two thousand, a large number of losses from the enemy are due to the good location of ambushes along the enemy’s route and the coordinated actions of our RDGs in the rear and at the ukrov checkpoints, as well as the precise operation of our artillery. Unfortunately, there are also losses among the militia, but in comparison with dill they are insignificant.
    The RDG groups operate successfully in all directions, both in particular of the newly occupied N / A (Severodonetsk) and in the rear of the enemy (Kramatorsk).
  30. danTT
    +16
    25 July 2014 12: 46
    Now come up with ...

    “This issue is handled by the SBU, who took the battery commander with the crew around half past nine in the evening”
    - Battery commander and crew agents of the FSB, introduced since 1995 (23.06.1995/XNUMX/XNUMX).
    1. +1
      25 July 2014 12: 55
      Cool picture, BROADCAST - DO NOT RELEASE, and most importantly, everything is clearly and specifically shown. hi
  31. 0
    25 July 2014 12: 46
    Spun ass kakly sra.ny. Dill only despise worthy. Tfu on you and your whole family !!!!
  32. +1
    25 July 2014 12: 46
    Somehow it turns out that other countries suffer from their mediocrity and meanness. am
  33. +3
    25 July 2014 12: 47
    These wild ones need to GENERALLY take away all the matches, according to the type as the Syrians have all the chemistry!
  34. 0
    25 July 2014 12: 48
    "This is the turn", all this was already in 2001. Teachings, beating of obstavin, tragic accident. But I am to blame for everything ...
  35. +1
    25 July 2014 12: 48
    It is necessary to voice this version as LOUDLY as possible ... it still impresses most of all ... at least it says directly that the DILLS are to blame. This is their second allegedly "accidental" launch ... Then over the black sea Tu was shot down ... now Boeing ...
  36. +1
    25 July 2014 12: 49
    Let's go. Yesterday, the Americans said that it was not Russia that shot down the plane, but RANDOM militias. Then the Ukrainians said they did not blame Russia for the destruction of the Boeing. Today, info has already gone that the Ukrainians accidentally shot down a plane. It remains to wait for the truth for long. Yes, and we will not wait for information from the Anglo-Saxons to decipher CE.
    But Americans and dill will never apologize. Remember what Kuchma said about the TU-154?
  37. +1
    25 July 2014 12: 49
    And Parashenko said that there were no "Buks" in the zone and there were NO SU-25 flights either! Why is the president of "U" so often squeamish? Does this really suit the leader of the "Eurostate"?
  38. +5
    25 July 2014 12: 50
    I repeat, but I think that this is a clearly planned action by Washington! Ping ... the syes did not take into account one factor-handshake of dill, which served to disrupt the entire ingeniously thought-out operation in the CIA!
    The Americans always put the wrong horses in the post-Soviet space: the Georgians overcame the whole plan, the Ukrainians, this is a different story altogether, and the Americans do not even consider the Baltic states in their heinous deeds!
  39. 0
    25 July 2014 12: 50
    Found scapegoats. It is clear who shot down. Now they are trying with all their might to reduce everything to chance. They will plant those who obeyed the order to bring down a civilian plane.
    1. +1
      25 July 2014 15: 43
      They will plant this in the best case for them (for combat crew). Most likely they will kill them so that they do not talk too much.
      1. 0
        25 July 2014 21: 10
        if not already buried, and the installation was destroyed - again by accident - "caught fire" on the march. Poor people, why are they all catastrophically "accidentally" unlucky?
  40. 3vs
    +3
    25 July 2014 12: 52
    Well, now they will begin to blame everything on inexperience.
    Something against the Ukrainian army, do not open up.
    Compensation for the families of the victims will have to pay, Europe is not Russia for you,
    tear their own!
  41. Officer1
    +2
    25 July 2014 12: 54
    rats ran in ... and the rabbit decided to jump off! I hope it will not work for him and the rest of the trash to evade responsibility !! smile
  42. +2
    25 July 2014 12: 55
    Now let all the Polish-Lithuanian-Estonian-Australian-German-mattress mongrels apologize for slander.
  43. +6
    25 July 2014 12: 57
    I cried.
    Another excuse at the level of an infantryman of the first year of service.
    the commander of the 156th anti-aircraft missile regiment was ordered to conduct training in combat crews to cover the ground group of forces in the suburbs of Donetsk. They had to deploy divisions, work out target tracking and complete the entire algorithm for tracking and conditional destruction of targets with a Buk-M1 air defense missile system.

    Regiment commander, if you started to conduct such a training using combat missiles?
    For these purposes, the regiment has training-operational missiles. They are distinguished from combat ones by the absence of warheads and engines; accordingly, they cannot take off or plummet. But the whole range of ground-based measures can be worked out.
    battery commanders received keys to unlock the launch

    The keys are stored in the car anyway, and you don’t need to receive them specially anywhere.
    at the moment of convergence of the targets in one azimuth, the tracking system is automatically reconfigured to maintain the one with the largest area

    I cry a second time !!!
    Any radar quite distinguishes the range to the target and will not automatically be rebuilt anywhere.
    Failure to escort of course can happen, so there are operators for this, so that everything can be returned where it is needed.
    1. 0
      25 July 2014 17: 22
      Well, they somehow knocked down the "Carcass". Why not assume that the level of cruvor-handedness and ass-headness in them (at least in some) is significantly higher than the average on Earth.
      1. 0
        25 July 2014 18: 34
        Quote: Фкенщь13
        Well, they somehow knocked down the "Carcass".

        In theory, the missile's seeker could intercept a more powerful reflected signal from the "citizen". But not a station. Or the operator did not pass, which is leading the wrong target.
  44. soyuz-nik
    0
    25 July 2014 12: 58
    Quote: Tlauicol
    there is no truth on earth
    I wish you good health! The truth is! Here are some nig ... and other pale-faced primary sexual characteristics short .... courage is not enough to admit to put it mildly wrong ...
  45. +1
    25 July 2014 12: 58
    In the meantime, the junta smelled of grandiose exposure of their provocation with the Boeing, and the first rats began to flee from the sinking ship - Prime Minister Yatsenyuk submitted his resignation ... fair retribution.
  46. +3
    25 July 2014 12: 58
    NOT GUILT I, HE PUSHED IT HIMSELF !!!! To be honest, sad! It's just how much you, former fellow countrymen, America bought, that you are ready to kill in order to provoke Russia! I feel sorry for them, DRAMS UNDER THE LEAD OF A BLACK !!!
  47. +3
    25 July 2014 12: 58
    Why were you happy? So far, this is a link from some journalists to others who, in turn, refer to an "unnamed source" - it does not pull any proof. But if this is true, then at best for this air defense officer it is that the SBU will brainwash him and he will only say what he was told (did not see, did not hear, did not shoot), and in the worst case (and more likely) in the coming days He will die heroically along with all his division and material part in the combat zone, and as they say - "Fat to the heroes!"
  48. argon
    +2
    25 July 2014 12: 59
    Well, everything seems to be clearing up! How will the rhetoric of ovs and other vegetables change after such statements by ukrov? Certainly not without the availability of information from Russia
  49. +3
    25 July 2014 12: 59
    Well, we are beginning to slowly admit it, we will soon find out the truth.
  50. +5
    25 July 2014 13: 00
    the outskirts decided to become a world leader in the field of downing civilian aircraft?

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