Hit menu: Chicken Kiev, original recipe

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Recently, on this and other sites, one can often hear statements that Novorossia was leaked, abandoned without support, Putin was afraid of sanctions and so on. Let's try to sort everything out and separate the flies from the cutlets. Let's reason sensibly.

Hit menu: Chicken Kiev, original recipe


1. To begin with, Putin is the president of Russia, not the LNR and the DPR, and above all he is obliged to honor the interests of the citizens of his country, its economy and status in the world political arena. This only means that the interests of Russia are above those of other countries. Let's make a reservation right away: we will not compare the current situation with South Ossetia 2008, because there, according to the international mandate, our peacekeepers stood, and most of the population of the RSO had Russian citizenship. Here and now the situation is radically different. A sovereign state (de jure), citizens of Ukraine with Ukrainian passports, albeit Russian-speaking, but still citizens of another country on sovereign territory (de jure). What is happening on the territory of Ukraine is their internal political matter. According to international laws, Russian troops have nothing to do there. Imagine that, for example, the Jewish Autonomous Region held a non-agreed referendum and announced its withdrawal from Russia, and also asked Israel to send troops to protect its interests and asked to join the Israeli state. How do you, dear colleagues, react to this? Probably, you will not be happy with such a perspective, because if this fact is slowed down and they say that they can do what they want, we have democracy, then other republics and regions may follow their example. The Sakhalin Island, forgotten by all the leaders, can easily decide to retire to a well-fed and developed Japan, and then a snowball can roll. For any state, the main thing is its integrity, and the helmsmen of Ukraine understand this perfectly. But in what ways they achieve this, is another question. Russia did not send its troops to Ukraine because it was waited for and waited for from it. They are doing everything to draw Russia into the war, so that we are stuck there. But for what it is necessary, try to make out in the next paragraph.

2. Who needs a war and why? We pull out the first fly from the patty in Kiev. At the time of writing, the US government debt was approximately $ 17608170000000. Agree, a rather big amount. And with this public debt something needs to be done. It will not work to pay for it, no one will forgive him, therefore, you need to consider other options. In addition, the cunning Putin rolls around the world and offers everyone to switch to settlements in their own currencies, create their own bank, abandon the dollar and fuck the US economy in a perverted form, with rotation around the axis on which they are going to plant this economy. That this will be a hook and an uppercut according to the American system, no one doubts anymore, and the fall of the dollar and US bonds is inevitable, the only thing that pulls the end. But the higher the peak of public debt, the more painful it is to fall down. There are literate people in the USA, and they understand this very well, because calls are already ringing from all over. Do not forget that, following the US economy, the Canadian economy immediately flies to canine pigs. In order to delay the effects of the economic collapse of all of North America and write off part of the public debt, we need a local war - this is the time. To save Europe from a reliable strategic partner, of which Russia is, are two. Putting the economies and politicians of Europe under themselves is three. I must say right away that the United States will not be able to fight openly with Russia due to the fact that the Russian Federation occupies 1/8 of the land. To conquer Russia, you need a bridgehead for an attack the size of Europe. It will not work to drag and deploy the American army and NATO troops, deploy them into battle formations, Russia will not, and Europe will not agree, unless three tank and two motor boats of the Baltic Army will agree. Ukraine is not suitable for a bridgehead. Firstly, it can be covered with three volleys of “Topol-M”. Secondly, from a strategic point of view, this is a disadvantageous position; Belarus, Kazakhstan, and China are not very far away. America will not be able to fight with Russia in the understanding of war as such. There are only two ways left - an economic blockade by all countries controlled by the USA, i.e. the most severe sanctions, well, and the extreme argument is a nuclear attack on Russia, which is so unlikely that I will not take it into account, because after that there will be a strait instead of America. One thing remains - the economic war with Russia. But even for economic warfare, weighty arguments are needed. So the State Department sucks out from the finger the reasons that the whole world, or rather the US-controlled part of the world, has pushed for it. One has only to give an occasion, and the soul will rush to paradise. But the insidious Putin does not give such reasons. Nevertheless, the Russian economy is pretty much dependent on European and other partners. The complete economic isolation of Russia will not benefit our giants. which are still the main taxpayers and budget-forming concerns, there are quite a lot of assets abroad, including own and joint ventures. I hope that many people understand that the economic blockade of Russia is unprofitable, we have just begun to profit from trade with Europe, Asia, that sacrificing the country's economy, even for “fraternal” Ukraine, which no longer considers us brothers, is counterproductive. The latest steps by the United States clearly show that their economy is in deep crisis, entire cities are declared bankrupt, but this is still the snake that, when dying, can bite painfully. And now this country is convulsing, but is trying by all means to postpone its economic death, and the stubborn Putin is consistently doing everything to slam this snake. Please note that under the banners of Russia, the leaders of the BRICS, SCO and other states are gathering. Putin unites them, it is he who creates round dances around the United States. He announces that the world is no longer unipolar, therefore, the United States will start from it, and therefore from us. As a result, it turns out that no one except the United States needs a war with Russia, especially with the wrong hands.

3. Pit Russia and Ukraine did not work, unscrupulous Putin unraveled the insidious plans of the United States and did not allow to realize them. Moreover, for a very long time he crossed out such gingerbreads as NATO and the European Union to Ukraine. If you read the charters of these wonderful organizations, you will find out that a state can join them only if it has resolved all territorial disputes with other states. Those. as long as Ukraine recognizes the right to Crimea, it will stand in the pose of a company mortar. Neither NATO nor the European Union will enter it. In addition, Russia occupied Crimea from an economic point of view, because pay for the rental of the base of the Black Sea fleet more expensive than maintaining the whole Crimea. It is worth paying tribute that over the past 60 years there has not been a case in the world for a state to grow in territories, and even such. And in the case of Crimea, even without war. Believe me, this is worth a lot. US plans to provoke Russia into mistakes are breaking like waves on the shores of the Crimean peninsula. Then, to achieve your goals, you need to use lies and provocations.

4. The Malaysian Airlines Boeing is a good example. Here his disaster has been discussed many times. One thing is clear, neither the militia, nor Russia needed this Boeing. They fly over Novorossia and Russia a day in flocks of hundreds. If disaster was needed, only Ukrainians and Americans. Although it seems to me that he was not shot down on purpose, either in a drunken stupor, or a training start, which turned into a combat one.

5. People have already written here that Ukraine, because it has allowed itself to do something with itself for more than 20, should drink the cup of shame to the bottom. She has to go through purgatory that we once did. I remember when, at the end of 1994, we, the nineteen-year-old boys, were rushed to storm Grozny. How we died in the hundreds, young, not shot. But of those who survived, he went through everything and drank his cup to the end, turned out to be men. Personally, I then decided to devote myself to the service of the Motherland and radically changed my life, I regret nothing, although everything happened in life. It’s the same with Ukraine, it should go all the way to the end. A lot of blood will be shed before one of the parties takes over. But my opinion is that it’s not worth spilling the blood of Russian soldiers for Ukraine, and so it has been shed a lot. Now, of course, sofa strategists will start throwing stones at me. Well, everyone has their own point of view. But I personally feel sorry for the Russian soldier, I myself was one. I am against our guys dying for the freedom of others. Ukrainians themselves must defend their freedom, this is their internal affair, all the rest is geopolitics.

Putin did not make a single mistake, unlike the sides of the confrontation. He knows what he is doing. It is possible that the Kiev chicken will get to the Americans, but in the original recipe in this meatball there is a tubular bone, if you do not know, you can choke.

Let me remind you once again that Putin is the president of Russia, and he must defend the interests of the Russians, not the citizens of other states, which he successfully does. A chicken Kiev can be cooked at home, so it is calmer, and we will treat those who love them with flies.
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  1. +68
    24 July 2014 09: 01
    and above all, he is obliged to honor the interests of the citizens of his country, its economy and status in the world political arena
    Today, people see something in you,
    Which brings faith and hope back.
    Fate and God again give us a chance
    Which, perhaps, has not happened before.

    But will it turn out this time,
    Let us return to faith, to conscience, to order
    And there will not be a tricky lining -
    Now it is completely up to you. And from myself I will add two lines:
    The river itself will get rid of the turbidity.
    For the truth, glasses are not needed at all.
    I believe you so far, Vladimir Putin!
    1. +68
      24 July 2014 09: 10
      Surrender of all Ukraine to mattresses will be our strategic mistake, now we are fighting for Ukraine, and God forbid, so as not to lose.
      1. +98
        24 July 2014 09: 16
        We’ll see what other flies Russia has prepared for America, and don’t hesitate what it cooked. Bedtime stories are not over yet. Good must defeat evil. And the point.
        1. +17
          24 July 2014 20: 25
          Karfa-pah .... USA must be destroyed. am
          1. RamRU
            +8
            25 July 2014 04: 31
            No need to look for enemies. Look for friends.
            1. Bodrov
              +5
              25 July 2014 08: 39
              I fully agree with the author of the article. Not to say that we merged Ukraine, we did not promise them that we would do everything for them. If they want freedom from the government that they themselves chose (or were passive in choosing the same thing), then they need to correct their mistakes.
              1. +9
                25 July 2014 14: 59
                + I support.
                But personally I feel sorry for the Russian soldier, I myself was them. I am opposed to our guys dying for the freedom of others. Ukrainians themselves must defend their freedom, this is their internal affair, everything else is geopolitics.

                1. Thanks to the author for the article.
                2. "sorry for the Russian soldier" and "Ukrainians themselves must defend their freedom"- Gold words.
                and thirdly, a person is so arranged that he only appreciates what is difficult for him to get. Ukrainians got the country for Free, that's why they do not appreciate it. As well as Russia with its friendship, care, protection, financing, lending and then forgiveness of debts, very many get free. Therefore, they do not value friendship with Russia. Although looking at the whole mess that is going on in the world, friendship with Russia is very expensive. The Syrians realized this like no other.
              2. fau14
                +1
                26 July 2014 03: 18
                Nevertheless, weapons and advisers could help more actively
            2. 0
              25 July 2014 11: 42
              Why look for them? They themselves are, and even run up.
        2. +3
          24 July 2014 21: 23
          Ukraine has already surrendered, becoming a banderostan. And nobody will surrender the former territory of Ukraine; pin dosov simply don’t have enough money to even start exporting resources from it
          1. +4
            24 July 2014 23: 24
            Probably, Ukraine was just at the stage of in vitro fertilization by fascist sperm - and it smells like a miscarriage.
        3. +8
          24 July 2014 22: 19
          Quote: Moment
          .Good must defeat evil.

          Strange, but even the enemies admit: "The West loses in Putin's game."
        4. +6
          24 July 2014 22: 52
          Quote: Moment
          Let's see what other flies for America Russia has prepared

          RPG-18
      2. +95
        24 July 2014 09: 45
        Ukraine was lost in the 1992 year, but it started still earlier.
        In 1986, I traveled almost all of Ukraine with a delegation of the MNP and the strongest impression was that the escort did not speak Russian loudly in the same Raisins, Chernivtsi, Ternopol, Lviv ...
        At school (1975 year) we had a history teacher: an old, decent, intelligent Jew. From my youth I did not understand what he was saying, but, for some reason, it struck my memory: your generation will have to rake the mistakes of Lenin's national policy.
        1. +31
          24 July 2014 10: 09
          Quote: Begemot
          do not speak loud Russian in the same Raisins, Chernivtsi, Ternopil, Lviv ..

          From western Ukraine. At that time and in the beginning of the 90s - yes. And now everyone is already on the drum - among Russian-speaking PSs, perhaps even more. Among other things, I can’t get rid of the suspicion that this is done on purpose - a practical response to Kiselev that they beat the Russian language on the street. I already wrote and will write again - for they do not beat the Russian language at the everyday level, they purposefully destroy it by the so-called democratic way at the state level. But in appearance, everyone is tolerant, they say, they themselves do not want to learn.
        2. rodevaan
          +28
          24 July 2014 10: 42
          Quote: Begemot
          Ukraine was lost in the 1992 year, but it started still earlier.
          In 1986, I traveled almost all of Ukraine with a delegation of the MNP and the strongest impression was that the escort did not speak Russian loudly in the same Raisins, Chernivtsi, Ternopol, Lviv ...
          At school (1975 year) we had a history teacher: an old, decent, intelligent Jew. From my youth I did not understand what he was saying, but, for some reason, it struck my memory: your generation will have to rake the mistakes of Lenin's national policy.


          - Yes, grandfather Lenin made a big mistake by dividing the country into republics. There would be no such division, there would be no Ukraine, and other national minorities ...
          1. +42
            24 July 2014 10: 58
            "You understand, George, that Ukraine is not even a state! What is Ukraine? Part of its territory is Eastern Europe, and part, and significant, was donated by us!"

            Vladimir Putin
          2. +16
            24 July 2014 11: 11
            Grandfather Lenin conductor of British politics. national and religious dividing their favorite technique for laying mines for the future. so it was in India with the formation of Pakistan. still there may flare up at any moment.
            1. Finnish76
              +1
              24 July 2014 12: 46
              Nonsense, in 1921 the most progressive political system in the world was created in Russia. There were practically no estates in the state, unless of course the discrimination of the remaining nobles was taken into account.
              Supporters of the Russian Empire should ask themselves what class I would belong to and what rights and obligations they had.
              1. +10
                24 July 2014 13: 37
                Finnish76
                ... There were practically no estates in the state ...
                In Soviet times, there was a joke: "Our society is classless, but not casteless."
                1. +11
                  24 July 2014 14: 08
                  For the first time I learn about such a joke.
                2. Finnish76
                  +3
                  24 July 2014 15: 11
                  Well, this is rotting, 70-80 years.
                  1. 0
                    24 July 2014 23: 28
                    strange attitude to the period of their own birth!
              2. -3
                24 July 2014 14: 11
                And if he answered that he was not a worker or a peasant, he would have gone to the wall. So all at once "voluntarily" refused the estates. And the illiterate cook began to have the right to rule the state.
                1. Finnish76
                  +5
                  24 July 2014 15: 23
                  Duck, no, concessions, engineers, officers of the imperial army, it’s all bland. Although class-based discrimination was admittedly, but at that time the proletariat and the peasantry formed the basis of civil society. Well, it’s like Norway, Denmark in Sweden , Suomi, impose 70 percent taxes on the owners of the means of production. It is necessary to fight for real socialism, and not for late-Soviet.
                  Professor Pentkovsky should have every right to organize the production of processors in his homeland, receive good income from this, and have a yacht and a villa in tenerife. But the fiber optic specialist, from St. Petersburg, does not have such a head, so he will obviously live worse than the aforementioned professor .But a professional should let the lion's share of his funds into the social level of such specialists, because they support him from the bottom. Without them, he would not have been.
                  1. +4
                    24 July 2014 23: 03
                    Quote: suomi76
                    But the fiber optic specialist, from St. Petersburg, doesn’t have such a head, so he will certainly live worse than the aforementioned professor. But the professional should let the lion's share of his money into the social level of such specialists, because they support him from the bottom. Without they wouldn’t be there.

                    All right. Creates an environment. There would be no scientific, technical environment, there would be no such professors ...
                2. +15
                  24 July 2014 16: 01
                  Well, the nobles were chased after the revolution enough. But there was also why! On the other hand, the necessary people were showered with benefits, regardless of the class: the military - Colonel of the General Staff of the Russian Empire B.M. Shaposhnikov. became Chief of the General Staff of the Red Army and Marshal of the Soviet Union. Kolchak's army captain (not just an officer, but a "White Guard bastard") Govorov, commanded the Leningrad Front, broke through and lifted the blockade of Leningrad. He was also a Marshal of the Soviet Union and joined the ranks of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) in 1942 already as a front commander. Well, etc.
                3. +5
                  26 July 2014 04: 15
                  Quote: figter
                  And the illiterate cook became entitled to rule the state.

                  Your post is a vivid illustration of the proverb "They heard the ringing, but they don't know where it is."
                  Firstly, this is what the saying you are trying to quote originally looks like:

                  Quote: VI Lenin, article "Will the Bolsheviks Retain State Power?"
                  We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook not capable immediately take control of the state. In this we agree with the Cadets, and with Breshkovskaya, and with Tsereteli. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand an immediate break with the prejudice that it is to run the state, to carry out the everyday, daily work of the administration, only rich or from wealthy families officials can take. We demand that public administration training was carried out by class-conscious workers and soldiers and so it was started immediatelythat is, all workers, the whole poor, immediately began to be attracted to this training.


                  Thus, the meaning of this saying is that absolutely all citizens of the country are trained in elementary skills of public (self) management. For only in this way can a civil society base be created.

                  In any society, the population delegates management functions to a certain number of its members.
                  It follows from the theory of elites that there are no more than 5-7% of those. And the main task is to develop (and strictly adhere to it) a set of rules that everyone understands, by which the most gifted citizens fall into the elite. Only with the full openness of this process will society gain worthy and competent leaders.
                  But while the process of forming the "elites" is ruled by hired PR-managers and supposedly independent media, reflecting only one advantage of their candidates - the size of the wallet, ambitious crooks and even outright scammers will get to the leadership levels.
                  And further. The people are the source of all power. His will is best expressed through referendums. Computerization opens up hitherto unseen opportunities in this area. After all, with the help of some "smart" watch equipped with a personal identification system, a referendum can be held even in a large country in a matter of hours. But there is a catch. Every citizen should be able to at least read the question, and ideally even understand. That with 12% of failures on the exam in the native language turns into a problem. And this is if not to say that a huge number of citizens "bow to the device" for all these problems, even at polls within the entrance of their own house.
                  And the "leader of the revolution" is right a thousand times over in this matter. If you do not teach the management of the state, even if not the old-regime "cook", but the new younger generation, you can forever forget about some kind of democracy and democracy, as about aimless Manilovism and social utopia.
                  1. Alexlt
                    0
                    27 July 2014 10: 48
                    Plus, your post here, has not grown to tsiferok - commented a little. However, I want to correct and add:
                    1. First, on the question of "take care of the device". It is quite certain that the issue is not limited to education. Growing is a hundred times more important (education, both words are appropriate). This is realizable when the forms and goals of cultivation become a tradition in society. And this is evolution, societies. Ie, some generations. There is no way without a formative center (elite). Especially during the periods when traditional social foundations ("revolutions") were broken.
                    2. I would not speak about universal learning ("all people are different"), but about selection for learning. Selection should indeed be universal, as with most specializations required by society.
                    3. The role of computerization is good, so bad: "what one person has done, another can break." That is, the result of knowledge and creativity (not only scientific and technical) can be used for various purposes, incl. mutually exclusive. Moreover, the use due to these results is becoming more effective, which means the risks are growing.
                  2. Irgen
                    0
                    15 August 2014 17: 48
                    I support your opinion
              3. +17
                24 July 2014 17: 13
                Nonsense, at 1921 in Russia the most progressive political system in the world was created

                The statement is very controversial, the Russian empire, which did not take into account the national interests of the population within the administrative boundaries, was destroyed by non-national forces.
                The USSR was torn apart on a national basis, more precisely on the borders of national republics that were never purely national, which is why permanent ethnic conflicts in the post-Soviet space occur. Consider this system progressive?
                Progress and integrity of such a system was provided with a firm hand. As soon as the grip on the throat of national elites loosened, they dragged shreds onto themselves.
                1. Finnish76
                  -6
                  24 July 2014 17: 27
                  Abolition of estates? My grandmother was a tradesman from the peasantry. The Soviet government provided her with social elevators.
                  1. +1
                    24 July 2014 23: 34
                    what time!
                    1. grandmother was a tradesman
                    2. tradesman from the peasantry
                    3. in how many elevators (social) was a representative of an indefinite gender of a foggy class?
                    1. Finnish76
                      +1
                      25 July 2014 20: 53
                      I am chewing, for those who think tightly. A peasant, this origin, a peasant who moved to the city and his family became either a tradesman or a proletarian.
                      And finally, social elevators are getting higher education. I am fun for witty men who smoked a history textbook at school and recommend that they read the law on cook children in RI so beloved about the resolution of Alexander 3 on the report of the Minister of Education.
                  2. Makosha
                    0
                    25 July 2014 20: 15
                    Neither petty bourgeois nor peasants were prosecuted by the Soviet government on an estate basis. But how does this compare with the division of the Russian Empire by the Bolsheviks?
                2. Finnish76
                  0
                  25 July 2014 21: 13
                  In 1921, it was the most progressive system in the world, and by 1991 it was rotten, even compared to RI and even more so. As for national politics, are you a supporter of feudal, or tribal relations, by which the sovereign autocrat treated the foreigners?
              4. Lexl
                +7
                24 July 2014 17: 47
                and where does the estate? The point is that the state is not divided into provinces and counties, but into a republic (Chechnya, Dagestan, Tatarstan, etc., etc.) on a national basis, while emphasizing nationality. It wasn’t tsarist in Russia, the peoples in united Russia should unite and not be divided — which was what the Soviet Union got during the collapse — each republic wanted independence on a national basis - so to speak, how it was brought up.
                1. Finnish76
                  0
                  24 July 2014 18: 20
                  And the growth of the national elite? Kazakh does not set off to be controlled by the Russians. Well, if it is not colonialism.
                  1. +4
                    25 July 2014 07: 23
                    And where is the growth of the national elite? "The Kazakh won't want to be ruled by the Russians." May be. But now ALL of Russia is ruled by Jews, whether we like it or not. And there is no anti-Semitism here - just a bare statement of fact.
                    1. Alexlt
                      0
                      27 July 2014 10: 53
                      A bare statement of fact on the table, plizz. Only a statement, not superstition!
              5. Erg
                +4
                24 July 2014 19: 12
                In 1921, Russia as a state did not exist. The British project to destroy the state was carried out. We see something similar in Ukraine (only in a "toy" version). I would compare Lenin with powder ...
                1. +2
                  25 July 2014 17: 01
                  Correctly. And recreated the state of Stalin. But Trotsky expelled for the fact that he prevented this state from being built.
                  1. Alexlt
                    0
                    27 July 2014 11: 23
                    Why did it fall apart out of the blue? Something is wrong "recreated", apparently.
                2. Finnish76
                  0
                  25 July 2014 21: 01
                  And do not compare, you need to get acquainted with documents that really reflect the state of affairs in RI. What rudiments of feudalism were present there? What was the principle of the elections to the State Duma. What is autocracy? Why was the law on cook children prepared?
                  What share of national wealth did the hereditary aristocracy possess? And how industrial production flourished under the shadow of the Orthodox scepter.
              6. +6
                24 July 2014 20: 35
                Well, my friend, you hung up the question:
                Captain - at least a personal nobility,
                Colonel - the nobility for all members of the family.
                But actually it was about government, not estate, although about estates .... you saw a lot in the 6th wave of 1 secretaries of the Central Committee of the CPSU GOR OBL and RESP regional committees of people from plows, the clans already went with their privileges and castes.
                Although I am neither a fan of the empire nor a blasphemer of the USSR, both here and there are my + and -. Both there and there are heaped up errors - to rake for centuries
                1. +1
                  25 July 2014 17: 02
                  As well as in any state of the world.
              7. +2
                25 July 2014 07: 16
                What is the difference in which class to serve the motherland? In ANY estate it is necessary to serve HONESTLY. and the rest will follow.
                1. Finnish76
                  +1
                  25 July 2014 21: 02
                  Big, for example, Felix Yusupov preferred in higher.
                2. Alexlt
                  0
                  27 July 2014 11: 02
                  So after all, the estates were dismantled because there is one HONESTY for everyone, but it was "applied" according to the estate list ...
            2. +3
              24 July 2014 14: 45
              British India was divided into the dominion of Pakistan and the Indian Union in 1947, more than 20 years have passed since the death of Lenin. Rather, the Anglo-Saxons learned from Lenin than Lenin from them.
            3. Erg
              0
              24 July 2014 19: 08
              Thank. I rarely see a sober look on this topic. hi
            4. Alexlt
              0
              27 July 2014 09: 42
              Exciting self-confidence.
          3. 0
            24 July 2014 13: 17
            As for the republics, there was a very big dispute between the Trotskyists and Leninists. And whose position was this you better find out on the Internet yourself.
          4. 0
            24 July 2014 13: 51
            Yeah, and comrade Stalin I.V. it was during his time that he was Commissar for Nationalities. This is a word.
            1. 0
              25 July 2014 17: 04
              But Stalin was just proposing another version of the national structure of the USSR. It was adopted by Lenin.
              1. Alexlt
                0
                27 July 2014 11: 12
                You are mistaken, dear Kerzhak. Implemented Stalin and did it as he wanted. Lenin, while he could, sharply objected, in particular, to the creation of autonomies. Do you know that under Lenin there was a North Caucasian Federation? Stalin removed it and replaced it with autonomous republics.
          5. +3
            24 July 2014 14: 06
            You do not confuse the consequences of Leninist and Yeltsin’s policies
          6. +6
            24 July 2014 15: 56
            So you come to the conclusion that Comrade Stalin was right, as always (and at that time he was also the People's Commissar for Nationalities, and unlike the theorist Lenin, he was a pure practitioner and knew the question not by hearsay) when he proposed nations not separate SSRs, and national-cultural autonomies, such as in Russia there are Tatarstan, Bashkiria, etc. These, though twitching, but did not run away.
            1. Mwg
              +5
              24 July 2014 16: 29
              You are absolutely right. If not for IV Stalin, we would have had a geyropa already in 1935.
            2. Alexlt
              0
              27 July 2014 11: 17
              Let's see how the Evrazes will develop (Customs Union, etc.). If it goes uphill, then Lenin is right all the same. Or, in your opinion, should divorces still be canceled? :)
          7. +2
            24 July 2014 23: 08
            I recall history lessons at school, about how Stalin’s plan for the administration of the USSR was rejected and how Lenin did well. By creating a union of indestructible free republics.
          8. Alexlt
            0
            27 July 2014 09: 41
            Mistakes, criminal and fatal for the future of my homeland of the USSR, made by Stalin. I suggest you sharpen your attention in the 20s of the last century. First of all, on all aspects of the life of the USSR. This is a great material for study.
        3. +11
          24 July 2014 11: 30
          Ukraine was lost in the 1992 year, but it started still earlier.
          In 1986, I traveled almost all of Ukraine with a delegation of the MNP and the strongest impression was that the escort did not speak Russian loudly in the same Raisins, Chernivtsi, Ternopol, Lviv ...
          At school (1975 year) we had a history teacher: an old, decent, intelligent Jew. From my youth I did not understand what he was saying, but, for some reason, it struck my memory: your generation will have to rake the mistakes of Lenin's national policy.


          In the early 2000s I was in Lviv and I really wondered why no one understands me in Russian:?
          Somehow I always thought from school that Ukraine is almost Russia only Ukraine.
          Now it came to regret :(
          1. +20
            24 July 2014 12: 07
            Faced with such cases when communicating with zapadentsev, but the comic situation is that they communicate well with each other in Russian, and with Russians only in Ukrainian ... I met the same thing in Lithuania.
            1. +1
              25 July 2014 17: 06
              And because it is not convenient to speak Ukrainian with each other: there are not enough words and it’s not clear.
            2. yourfriend
              0
              25 July 2014 22: 21
              No, I’ve been there many times. only the older generation can in Russian norms. talk (service in the Sov. army, etc.). The rest do not speak Russian yet. Only those cat. on earnings in the Russian Federation
          2. +2
            24 July 2014 23: 32
            Now the time has come for the study of languages ​​by Lviv residents - otherwise they will have nothing to eat.
        4. Finnish76
          +5
          24 July 2014 12: 42
          And Ilyich, with all his drawbacks, created a very progressive political system for 1921, but by 1991 it had rotted, due to the lack of competition within the elite.
          1. +1
            24 July 2014 12: 50
            suomi76 Today, 12:42 PM ↑ New
            And Ilyich, with all his minuses, created a very progressive political system for 1921. But by 1991 it was rotten due to the lack of competition within the elite. "
            ..the petty-bourgeois element swept the top of the party and state ..
            1. Finnish76
              +11
              24 July 2014 13: 05
              The petty-bourgeois owner sits in each of us, and it’s good, it creates healthy competition in society, well, I guess they heard Life as a family of Jones. The error of the Soviet regime was not that it did not bring up a person of a new formation, free from lust for property, this is my the view is unattainable, well, excluding crises of course, wars, and the hierarchical principle of building the Communist Party of the Soviet Union excluded all discussions with the party leadership. And inside the country, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union protected itself from competition.
              Imagine that Obama announces the dissolution of the United States in the congress; he is just put down by a congressional committee. The Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee was not subject to jurisdiction.
              1. Finnish76
                0
                24 July 2014 13: 25
                And to argue? It would be very interesting.
                1. +2
                  24 July 2014 16: 12
                  This is still argued by VI Lenin ..
                  http://www.litmir.net/br/?b=137713&p=51
                  (History of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) laughing
                  ..........
                  "The natural consequence of the destruction of the socialist basis was the replacement of the dictatorship
                  proletariat by the dictatorship of the western and local comprador, i.e. colonial bourgeoisie. Here
                  the price paid by the working people for the right deviation of the party.
                  Why did the right deviation prevail in the party?
                  4Because at that moment, as a result of the addition of a whole series of circumstances,
                  the political strength of the dictatorship of the proletariat is weakened, the struggle against
                  petty-bourgeois consciousness in the party, in the dictatorship of the proletariat. Major of these
                  circumstances were: ... "
                  ... http: //www.communi.ru/matireals/RTF_PDF_ZIP/our_work/articles/history_lessons
                  . Pdf
                  1. Finnish76
                    +3
                    24 July 2014 17: 42
                    222 is very impressed with your knowledge of the history of the party, except for jokes. But at the moment I can’t get a definition of the proletariat. The teachings of Marx and Engels were written in the age of semi-medieval manufactories.
                    Who is the modern proletariat? Wage laborers? But today a highly skilled worker and peasant is interested in maintaining the current system, more than the petty bourgeoisie.
                    1. +1
                      25 July 2014 22: 18
                      The meaning of the word Proletarian according to Ephraim:
                      The proletariat - 1. A citizen who does not have a property qualification (in ancient Rome).
                      2. The wage worker, the source of which is the sale of his own labor to the owners of the means of production.
                      3. out of date. A person who does not have property.
              2. +6
                24 July 2014 14: 13
                And why did they blame the guy ???? That's right:

                And inside the country, the CPSU legally protected itself from competition

                And the consequence of this was the AMBETS of the USSR (a tagged little animal wound up, well, they helped him, Raisochka in particular, etc.) And TROY would have stood still today.
                (Vladimir Vysotsky)
                1. Finnish76
                  +4
                  24 July 2014 15: 05
                  Apparently we are minus, the demon, those who were members of this party, and legally wanted to protect themselves from competition.
                  1. acute
                    +1
                    24 July 2014 15: 12
                    here, backward, many are strong
                    1. Finnish76
                      +2
                      24 July 2014 15: 28
                      And then, they traveled abroad, they saw them. Compiled.
                      The main principle in any political system is competition, otherwise stagnation and collapse. One leader is good, and the other is not, the third is just none. And the principle is the same, watch the leader in the mouth. No one can stop the bad leader.
                    2. +2
                      24 July 2014 15: 50
                      suomi76 Today, 15:05 PM ↑ New
                      Apparently we are minus, the demon, those who were members of this party, and legally wanted to protect themselves from competition.

                      100% +

                      akut RU Today, 15:12 ↑ New
                      here, backward, many are strong

                      And THEY in the posts in the head of SUCH POWER sat just for the HEAD (albeit bald), and not the ass to think
                      Do you want to say that NOBODY expected THAN these "bounces" to turn around ??? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      1. Finnish76
                        +1
                        24 July 2014 16: 27
                        I think that someone suggested. But, according to the old, good hierarchical principle, did not block.
                        Deng Xiao Ping cannot appear in the Central Committee.
                      2. acute
                        0
                        28 July 2014 17: 22
                        I’m not writing specifically about people of that time, but about smart real writers
                  2. +1
                    25 July 2014 17: 22
                    Here the question is a little different. Conducting discussions in the pre-war era was dangerous. Still, the environment was uniformly hostile, and the state should have been preserved. Therefore, discussions were not encouraged (I think it was right). In the post-war period (as it is now becoming clear) even Stalin tried to introduce elements of democracy into domestic political life, which frightened the party’s bureaucratic leadership very much (perhaps this was what accelerated his death). The arrival of Khrushchev put an end to all these endeavors and ultimately became the beginning of the end of the USSR.
                2. 0
                  24 July 2014 20: 23
                  Quote: demon1978
                  And inside the country, the CPSU legally protected itself from competition

                  How about in China?
              3. Mwg
                +7
                24 July 2014 16: 44
                The mistakes of the Soviet regime did not exist. For 1991, the Soviet government itself did not exist. The ABSOLUTE MOST of those who made the decisions sat on the American hook personally. Compromising evidence, compromising evidence. In general, the USSR died with the complete non-resistance of those who made the decisions. And the crux of the problem was to indulge those in power with their little weaknesses. On this the USSR burned out, on the weaknesses of the "Elite"
                1. +1
                  24 July 2014 17: 01
                  In general, the USSR died with the complete non-resistance of those who made decisions

                  I would say, With the active assistance of those who made the decisions, and I put PIONE-SEVERED THIS CODLE a little higher, I would be very interested to ask him somewhere in the CROSSES or SILENCE, you look, he’ll tell

                  Although who will go for it, he muddied the current "elite" SUCH a feeder, and made such a gift to the Dyrkocrats !!!!

                  So he is a person SUPER INVALID (how not sorry)
                  1. +3
                    24 July 2014 20: 54
                    Humpback was a terrible bribe taker, he read that in certain circles he was nicknamed "Misha Konvertik". For this he was hooked by his "partners"
                2. 0
                  25 July 2014 17: 19
                  I think perestroika was deliberately organized by the then elite in order to legally obtain ownership of what they actually owned (managed public property), but could not inherit. In favor of this is the fact that almost all representatives of the then elite received decent property for free.
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            2. 0
              25 July 2014 07: 55
              Many times they repeat the mistake of some postman - the USSR was formed not on 1921, but on December 30, 1922.
          2. Mwg
            +6
            24 July 2014 16: 35
            No, dear. IN AND. Lenin began to create a geyropu, however, thank God he did not live to see the key point. I.V. Stalin was the one who created the progressive political system. He created a system of social and economic balances, reacted in time to the onset of Western attacks on Russia. V.V. Putin can rightfully be called the successor of the idea of ​​I.V. Stalin. IMHO
            1. Erg
              +1
              24 July 2014 19: 28
              Respect and uvazhuha hi
          3. Erg
            +6
            24 July 2014 19: 24
            The political system was created by Stalin, while cleaning up the entire rotten Leninist team. Poroshenko rests, what the team of the protege of America (and Germany) did with the country is hardly recognized. How many tens of millions died in the civilian population (here and the civilians shot by the Bolsheviks) ... Lenin is the greatest criminal of all time. A system created by Stalin, in fact saved the country from slavery
            1. Alexlt
              0
              27 July 2014 12: 00
              Stalin created something besides the country-zone ?! Say that it was too tough for him to completely discard the Leninist basis of social structure. But perverted so perverted!
        5. +9
          24 July 2014 13: 15
          Begemot - That's right "+", but with one small amendment: the quote - "... mistakes of Lenin's nationality policy." - there were no mistakes, these cadres, the "Leninists" knew very well what they were doing and all their time mines in national issues were placed by no means by "mistake", exactly the same can be said about our time, about Gorbachev, this bastard was not mistaken , but systematically and thoughtfully destroyed our country ...
          1. 0
            24 July 2014 14: 13
            Put mines that work after 70 years? !!! Ingenious!
            1. +1
              24 July 2014 14: 54
              Photon - Colleague - quote - "Place mines that will go off in 70 years? !!! Brilliant!" - and it was not dilettantes who worked against our country, all these Lenins, Trotsky and others like them, these are puppets, performers, and the puppeteers are completely different, and these "others" calculated their actions for more than a dozen years ahead ... hi
        6. +2
          24 July 2014 13: 16
          Our guys who served in western Ukraine during the USSR were told not to state their nationality. After hearing the nationality, the Bandera fled without looking back.
        7. +8
          24 July 2014 13: 57
          Begemot  Today, 09:45 ↑

          Ukraine was lost in 1992, but it started still earlier

          I disagree, there are NO irretrievable losses (except for the two hundred, and Ukraine, most of it is far from two hundred for us yet) The fact that we have not fought for it since the 90s is YES, but Eastern Ukraine is far from all lost. that the struggle is yet to come and there are good chances of success. And YOU what, offer to give up your hand ??? !!!!!!
          OPPONATE please if than hi
          1. +7
            24 July 2014 14: 53
            And who said they lost for good?
            1941 also lost one battle after another, left the territory, and so what. In addition, Crimea is ours again, we’ll see how things go in the East, and then winter is just around the corner, the banderlogs will freeze and their nests are not big. So now it’s rather December of 41 by historical analogies with the Great Patriotic War: the offensive rush of vorogov was blown away, and the counterattack has not yet begun.
        8. Punkt
          0
          24 July 2014 16: 10
          yes ... here it is-wisdom-not cut off ...
        9. +3
          24 July 2014 19: 47
          Quote: Begemot
          Ukraine was lost in the 1992 year, but it started still earlier.
          In 1986, I traveled almost all of Ukraine with a delegation of the MNP and the strongest impression was that the escort did not speak Russian loudly in the same Raisins, Chernivtsi, Ternopol, Lviv ...
          At school (1975 year) we had a history teacher: an old, decent, intelligent Jew. From my youth I did not understand what he was saying, but, for some reason, it struck my memory: your generation will have to rake the mistakes of Lenin's national policy.

          Yes, no! They lost in 1991 not Ukraine, but the USSR! Let all the blood and sorrow rest on the conscience of these scum in power and their kind! Let them be damned and not forever, but forever!
        10. 0
          25 July 2014 16: 53
          Raisins is the former city of Gottwald in the Kharkov region. Apparently you peeped it with some Western city?
        11. 0
          26 July 2014 01: 46
          1986 people spoke Russian calmly and in Lviv and Chernivtsi the USSR united all, my brother served in Ternopol. And what is happening now is the escalation of mass hysteria; people have introduced Russophobia into the brain.
        12. Alexlt
          0
          27 July 2014 09: 33
          In the USSR, Leninsky national policy is implemented only in the RSFSR. The rest is Stalin's national policy, i.e. imperial. Is Russia alive, federative? Bothering also inherits both the Russian Empire and the USSR! Like this. I wish all formuchanists to judge and judge freely and without censorship, but with knowledge of the subject.
          PS The victorious Novorossia will be the second triumph of Leninist national politics - a federation or a confederation.
      3. +19
        24 July 2014 10: 20
        Quote: Giant thought
        Surrender of all Ukraine to mattresses will be our strategic mistake, now we are fighting for Ukraine, and God forbid, so as not to lose.

        There can be no talk of surrendering all of Ukraine, since Crimea already not Ukraine, but Southeast more not Ukraine, but after the shooting of peaceful cities and citizens of Novorossiya - it's just a matter of time, I hope, soon. Together they will no longer be. The junta has already lost 10 million people i.e. 1/4 of the population in 4 months (2,5 million Crimea + 7,5 million Novorossiya). Romania, Poland and Austria are already lining up to get their piece from the rest of the territorial misunderstanding with the name Ukraine. What will remain will simply "plump" freedom "on black" so that it will never sober up to realize the fact that Ukraine no longer exists - but the Americans will not need them.
        1. +1
          24 July 2014 14: 09
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Together they no longer be.

          When organized resistance is suppressed (and sooner or later it will be) the population will turn into slaves
      4. +8
        24 July 2014 10: 22
        Delivery of all Ukraine

        but the Boeing incident showed that on the political front, Russia is not surrendering Novorossia.
        And now what question is gnawing at me: where did the whole Crimean hryvnia go? and where did the new Russians get their ammunition?
        1. -18
          24 July 2014 11: 08
          Quote: Wellych
          but the Boeing incident showed
          The case with Boeing showed that Putin's sidekick can lose everything "acquired by back-breaking labor." Why from Holland? It's simple. It is Russia's largest trading partner. Holland is equated to offshore. Oil is traded through it and much more. There is loot Timchenko, Sechin , Kovalchuk, Rotenberg, etc. etc.
          Quote: rodevaan
          After Putin has clicked Pin-nosed so many times on the nose -
          This time snapped it and quite thoroughly.
          1. Finnish76
            +2
            24 July 2014 12: 39
            Again, applause, the Baltic. And, according to unverified reports, who is there, Katya or Masha?
            Holland is a very comfortable country, unless of course you live in a big city.
            The climate is very even, in the winter there is no cold, in the summer heat. The order is great. Everything is clear.
          2. 0
            24 July 2014 12: 53
            at the heart of all the troubles is the economy.
            interesting article. "Fuel and Energy Complex of Post-Maidan Ukraine: Attempts to Diversify Russian Gas Mikhail Bakalinsky"
            http://www.geopolitika.ru/article/tek-postmaydannoy-ukrainy-popytki-diversifikac
            ii-rossiyskogo-gaza # .U9DH9uN_vko
          3. +3
            24 July 2014 15: 48
            baltika-18 - where does this hat picture about "export of Russia" come from? In the headline: (in million US dollars), Netherlands, look to the left - the figure is 70000 ... is that seventy thousand million. US dollars, that is, 70 billion dollars of one export to one country? fellow Where did you find this "creativity"? laughing
          4. rodevaan
            0
            25 July 2014 09: 02
            [quote = baltika-18] [/ quote] This time I clicked it and pretty thoroughly. [/ quote]

            - As Comrade Sukhov used to say - "This is hardly ...". If this spit on the card which is indicated in red will start spitting. He himself will suffer very much.
        2. 0
          24 July 2014 12: 12
          Why reveal military secrets. The enemy hears everything.
        3. +1
          24 July 2014 12: 51
          Quote: Wellych
          where did the whole Crimean hryvnia go?

          crying So the news was that they crushed her in special bank crumblers. Almost 40 million.
        4. +1
          24 July 2014 13: 32
          Quote: Wellych
          And now what question is gnawing at me: where did the whole Crimean hryvnia go? and where did the new Russians get their ammunition?


          In the words of Kozma Petrovich Prutkov- Look at the root!
          Speaking with the sly one, weigh your answer.
          The talker is like a pendulum: one and the other must be stopped.
      5. sash66
        +1
        24 July 2014 10: 24
        Yes, what the hell does Russia need it for
        1. 0
          24 July 2014 20: 31
          Quote: sash66
          Yes, what the hell does Russia need it for

          She could buy a lot of fat
          But in general, from what it was necessary to cut it? Money is money, it’s real, you could send it to the DPR
      6. +5
        24 July 2014 10: 38
        Quote: Thought Giant
        Surrender of all Ukraine to mattresses will be our strategic mistake

        I agree that the article is too liberal. It seems to me that indifference to the genocide of the fraternal people is worse than the genocide itself .. Moreover, according to the militias themselves, the main striking force of the Nazis is foreigners, they do the main work, and the Ukrainians themselves only fight against civilians .. Moreover, the militias do not require the introduction of Russian troops, they want only military-technical assistance, with which they will restore order there themselves.
        1. Finnish76
          +2
          24 July 2014 13: 23
          Stop looking for fraternal peoples. There are no fraternal peoples in Russia. And there were none.
          1. +5
            24 July 2014 13: 47
            Brotherly peoples were and will be! And who forgets about it, that turns into the PORK FARM which will have and will not feed! So-and-and-z-g starts COMPLETE !!
            1. Finnish76
              0
              24 July 2014 17: 32
              I have lived a lot where. There are no fraternal peoples, there is a good attitude at the household level. Czech Republic, South Germany, and in the North so-so .. And national elites will always be striving for their own benefit.
      7. rodevaan
        +2
        24 July 2014 10: 41
        Quote: Giant thought
        Surrender of all Ukraine to mattresses will be our strategic mistake, now we are fighting for Ukraine, and God forbid, so as not to lose.


        - Do not be afraid, we will not surrender :) After Putin so many times snapped a pin on the nose - I have no doubt that he still has a lot of unexpected foreign policy trump cards up his sleeve! Especially for our "partner friends".
        1. GDP
          +14
          24 July 2014 12: 06
          Don't be afraid, we will not surrender :) After Putin has snapped the Pin so many times on the nose - I have no doubt that he still has many unexpected foreign policy trump cards up his sleeve! Especially for our "partner friends".

          So far, only one thing is visible -
          1. The Russian government is actively turning its nose from New Russia and is doing everything possible not to spoil relations with the West, withstanding any slaps and insults, limiting itself exclusively to moral support ...
          2. New Russia is dying and Russia is not going to help. Only a quarter of the territory of Novorossiia remains and every day it is reduced by several settlements.

          I can’t say that this is bad for Russia, but the fact that the Russians don’t abandon their own is only true for Crimea ...
          In Donetsk and Lugansk, Russians abandon their own, putting political and economic interests first ...

          "We do not want ours to die in Ukraine ..."


          But what if they do not perish now?
          What would it be if the army of Russian peacekeepers entered?
          Never mind! The entire Ukrainian army has been slaughtering miserable militia detachments for three months, which are inferior in numbers by 10 times in technology and artillery in 20 - 50 times. It would be the same as in Ossetia, but thousands of lives would be saved.
          1. +1
            24 July 2014 13: 40
            Quote: GDP
            New Russia is dying and Russia is not going to help.

            If you are so smart, caring, then why don't you defend them with weapons in your hands? If you know how to think, then think - Crimea immediately became ours, but Novorossia not? Cause? And such moments are the sea. So hide the tongue until better times.
            The people should not run away, but should defend themselves. And many are still running. By the way, under the protection of Russia. And weapons in Novorossia-bought in GUM? for cheap? Correctly.
            Life goes on! The world as a whole will understand someday that Russia is not an aggressor.
            1. +5
              24 July 2014 14: 21
              Crimea became Russian in the presence of our fleet and marines
              1. +4
                24 July 2014 15: 34
                Photon is a colleague, and it’s not a matter of the Marine Corps - at the very beginning, in a relatively small Sevastopol, up to 50 thousand people came out on the square, and in the millions of people in Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, 3-4 thousand each. This is now visible - the population of the DPR-LPR is about 7 million (!) And the militia is only a few thousand. Crimea immediately stopped paying taxes to Kiev, and Novorossia still pays them! - here you have the differences between the Crimea and New Russia hi
                1. +1
                  24 July 2014 20: 07
                  Novorossiya does not pay anything to Kiev, dear. Any sane person would stop paying those who kill him ... What are you talking about? But you are right about the militias, there are too few of them! The most interesting thing is that those who are not fighting for Novorossiya, they also voted for the independence of the DPR and LPR. These are the "quirks", be they wrong!
                2. 0
                  25 July 2014 15: 00
                  Quote: Goga101
                  Crimea immediately stopped paying taxes to Kiev, and Novorossia still pays them!

                  They only pay their oligarchs who own the entire Donbass, and the oligarchs are known for the Maidan, because grandmothers in the west .. In Crimea, what struck me, the authorities very quickly and decisively nationalized. In Donbass, this business stalled, apparently Pushilin tried to deal with this without any political experience, and Akhmetov’s people just ate it, everything was captured by the Ukrainian oligarchic mafia too ..
              2. 0
                25 July 2014 11: 54
                Quote: Photon
                Crimea became Russian in the presence of our fleet and marines


                Sir, maybe even a good one.
                It is necessary to rejoice and be proud that only one presence of our fleet and marine corps in a limited amount is enough for the whole region with 2 million people to peacefully move to Russia.
            2. +1
              24 July 2014 17: 04
              Quote: AleksUkr
              think - Crimea immediately became ours, but Novorossia not

              Quote: AleksUkr
              Cause?

              O Lord, iznov for the fish is a pittance! The reason is in armed "polite little men"! And only in them! Otherwise, the large, but not organized Russian population of Crimea would have been crushed by an aggressive armed minority of Tatar and Ukrainian nationalists, which was shown by the events near the Armed Forces of Crimea!
          2. +4
            24 July 2014 14: 19
            VVP - quote - "... hollows miserable militia units, 10 times inferior to them in number ..." - Colleague, are you not surprised by the number of militias? Why do their units, unfortunately, deserve the epithet "pathetic"? - AND? And where is the seven million (!!!) "fraternal" population of New Russia, which you are so eager to save? And I'll tell you where - some just run to wait out (and not all run to Russia), and the rest - work (!) And regularly pay taxes to Kiev! So ... in this situation, to your question - a quote - "What would happen if the army of Russian peacekeepers entered?" - a very likely answer may be the following: all these miners and other "workaholics" from the South-East, together will start shooting in the back of our "peacekeepers" - but of course, they interfere with work ... belay Help militias really need, and the rest? are they really going to be delighted with our parish - A?
            1. +7
              24 July 2014 15: 22
              do not like what I wrote? and then tell me, are not our "brothers" in Kharkov? Is that not New Russia? And the ukrovskie tanks, knocked out by the militias, are being repaired there regularly, but what, it’s work, the hryvnia pays for it ... that again I wrote something wrong - Huh?
          3. Lexl
            +1
            24 July 2014 17: 59
            "Novorossia is dying and Russia is not going to help. Only a quarter of the territory is left of Novorossiya and every day it is reduced by several settlements." - How so? If only Russia didn’t help, I think they would not have made it to the middle of summer.
            This is your confirmation of what I said: "But nothing! The entire Ukrainian army has been hammering miserable militia units for three months, inferior to them in numbers by 10 times in equipment and artillery 20 to 50 times." - Is it conceivable to hold on for so long without help at all? Maybe the DPR and LPR are fencing off Russia, they say "we are fighting ourselves, without help, but we would like to ..."
            1. 0
              24 July 2014 18: 18
              And you bring them here: | Hit menu: chicken Kiev, original recipe:
              send it (they will find it on the main one who wants it), let them read it first, and if there is something to say on the CASE, then WELCOME !!!!!
              And so-calluses on the fingers only rub hi
          4. rodevaan
            0
            25 July 2014 09: 07
            Quote: GDP
            Don't be afraid, we will not surrender :) After Putin has snapped the Pin so many times on the nose - I have no doubt that he still has many unexpected foreign policy trump cards up his sleeve! Especially for our "partner friends".

            So far, only one thing is visible -
            1. The Russian government is actively turning its nose from New Russia and is doing everything possible not to spoil relations with the West, withstanding any slaps and insults, limiting itself exclusively to moral support ...
            2. New Russia is dying and Russia is not going to help. Only a quarter of the territory of Novorossiia remains and every day it is reduced by several settlements.

            I can’t say that this is bad for Russia, but the fact that the Russians don’t abandon their own is only true for Crimea ...
            In Donetsk and Lugansk, Russians abandon their own, putting political and economic interests first ...


            - You say so, as if you are a member of the General Staff of the Russian Federation and are an opposition general under the Supreme. You do not know the fullness of the picture - how can you say we are doing right or not right?
            And I speak from the facts. And the facts say - that Putin knows how to "work" with the West so that Russia remains the winner, and the West has an imprint of a tarpaulin on its face. I'm sure it will be the same this time.
            If we do not introduce troops, then there are good reasons for this.
      8. DMB-88
        +53
        24 July 2014 11: 05
        Quote: Giant thought
        Surrender of all Ukraine to mattresses will be our strategic mistake, now we are fighting for Ukraine, and God forbid, so as not to lose.


        How tired of everything !!!
        Putin, mattress covers, oligarchs, wars, well-fed muzzles in a zombie, illiterate TV presenters with a star mania!
        every day something burned down, drowned, exploded, stolen, sawed, squeezed, pressed, cops and bandits, an obese thought, an enemy government, priests with a rolex in Mercedes, stupidity and ignorance, fie !!!
        The winged "as it were" reflects our life, everything seems to be not for real, as if the government, as if the president, as if life! Only the grief of people is more intense, real death and receipts ..., receipts ...


        I want to go back to the USSR !!!
        what would have been without iron doors, in the summer in Crimea or in Sukhumi, to work for the good of the Motherland, and if you fight, then without a trace, until the end of victory, for it is for the Motherland !!! To children in free kindergartens, and at school kind caring teachers!
        And delicious bread at 18 kopecks without mold and sausage from meat, not from soy.
        But now I really want to fight, to return all this !!!
        1. +3
          24 July 2014 11: 21
          Quote: DMB-88
          , all as if not for real, like a government, like a president, like life! Only grief of people is real, real death and receipts ..., receipts ....
          The cry of the soul, a breakthrough of the essence, the work of the subconscious ........ But you are right. Falsehood, deceit, performance, puppetry and only human grief and human blood present.

        2. +3
          24 July 2014 14: 33
          DMB-88, - and in 1991, you, a colleague, did not accidentally have to chant: "Yeltsin, white house, freedom" - Huh? And now, just a general nostalgia for the USSR, but where was everyone when this gang was leaking our Motherland? Urya-and shouted, freedom-ah-ah ... and now - "I want to go home"? It's all sad, but in the USSR it was necessary to want not now, but in 1991, now "it's too late for Borzhi to drink ..."
          1. +4
            24 July 2014 16: 19
            Quote: Goga101
            It's all sad, but in the USSR it was necessary to want not now, but in 1991, now "it's too late for Borzhi to drink ..."

            From Ukraine.
            So, dear Igor Gennadievich, in 1991 the entire population of the USSR lived in approximately the same artificially created information space as the people of Ukraine now. This was strictly monitored by our 5th convoy led by friends from across the ocean, preventing a single sane person from accessing the media. Plus, a sharp capital drop in living standards.
            What surprises me is different - how Russia was able to recover from this onslaught (I am silent about Belarusians). I will repeat my personal opinion, more than once expressed here: the turn to the recognition of ourselves as a nation supported the GDP, becoming president (did not, but figured out the trends and supported ). Plus, if not cool, features of the Russian metal
          2. +4
            24 July 2014 18: 59
            Anper 100% RIGHTS:
            This "COMRADE" promised the WHOLE country that as soon as "We Expand and Deepen", then at once ALL will have: White pants, Bentley, and a yacht at the pier in Rio de Janeira (and it is natural for a person to believe in the best, even fabulous: after all, HE IS THE GENERAL !!! Ie HONOR, CONSCIENCE, etc.)
            ONLY he did not specify that EVERYTHING is 3% of the population and freedom of speech happens only with a soldering iron in opera, and the rest will plow them for a minimum wage on which you will stretch your legs, and even then if you find work !!!!
            So he threw the whole Union and others like him as suckers (not even "how"), and when they prochuhali-pozdnyak rush about "borzhomu drink late ..."
            That's how it was in my opinion, or not ?????
            1. 0
              26 July 2014 19: 04
              So far, to begin with, I need to punish the gobat, otherwise I’m watching an interview with him, happy as a cat with sour cream!
          3. +1
            24 July 2014 20: 15
            That you were angry with a person, many were then deceived, maybe you too. We must strive for mutual understanding, no matter how it went and dragged on. We are all different, very different, God himself told us to look for common ground, isn’t that so? But dill chose its path, the path to death. And now we need to think that they as few as possible people, and not banderlogov, carried away to the grave.
          4. +2
            24 July 2014 20: 39
            Quote: Goga101
            I didn't have to chant by chance: "Yeltsin, white house, freedom" -

            He didn’t chant but morally supported. But the person is mistaken. I’m not a telepath in the end. Reforms were necessary but wisely. If there’s no mind then there’s nothing to talk about. ..
          5. DMB-88
            0
            26 July 2014 00: 19
            Quote: Goga101
            DMB-88, - and in 1991, you, a colleague, did not accidentally have to chant: "Yeltsin, white house, freedom" - Huh? And now, just a general nostalgia for the USSR, but where was everyone when this gang was leaking our Motherland? Urya-and shouted, freedom-ah-ah ... and now - "I want to go home"? It's all sad, but in the USSR it was necessary to want not now, but in 1991, now "it's too late for Borzhi to drink ..."

            As I came from the army in 88, I came across a book "Confession on a given topic" in Riga, after this reading, I said Eltsin --p.i.d - ace !!!
            and in the 91st I worked at the plant, strengthened, so to speak, the defense capabilities of our Motherland !!!
          6. Alexlt
            +1
            27 July 2014 12: 35
            Then, as now, I was in a.x.u. Fair. The first time I heard the mantras of the spotted shasvirnus from the TV was in 86 - I was visiting a classmate in Dnepropetrovsk. And the piece stood across the throat ... And my classmate sang praises to him: "This is the first person in the country's leadership who does not speak from a piece of paper, whom you can listen to ... I listen and understand what he says !!" Then I was kicked for the first time. I started poking at this spotty and dropping pieces from my mouth gave out to my friend: "He doesn't understand what the hell he's dealing with, you can't do anything with the country's economy. He will ruin the country !!" The second time was in 1991, in August. As Kravchukcha, the protogandon, issued: "Ukraine will secede from the USSR," and since then I have been in this very ... In the evening of the same day I walked with a friend, and told him: "I cannot adapt to this." What can you do - I'm a scoop. Am I the only one proud of this, ferstein?
        3. +2
          24 July 2014 18: 29
          DAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!! And I'm with you !!!!!!
          And you agree 90 %% of the former USSR (who caught it) !!!!!
          The remaining 10%: 3% of them grabbed the FAT PIECES and they don’t need to get nafig back, the rest rinsed the brain (who had it)
          But for YOUTH (who after the USSR), I don’t know ????? - they rinse their brain since childhood, the USSR-EMPIRE OF EVIL, and this collapsed. So how do they react to this ???
      9. +4
        24 July 2014 11: 57
        Quote: Giant thought
        Surrender of all Ukraine to mattresses will be our strategic mistake, now we are fighting for Ukraine, and God forbid, so as not to lose.

        Right. To wait for the pindo..sy to choke on a "cutlet bone" - you can strangle yourself with the bones of the innocent murdered, tortured by the junta to the delight of the Russian Anglo-Saxons. And those Russians who have already entered the fight with the United States. If the "sofa strategists" are calling for a fight, then the lured svidomye (- they know about the bone in the American throat) "prudent" from under the sofa (out of harm's way) are calling, in fact, for US assistance. The bones devoured by the jackal are for his good only. He will die when he loses his teeth.
      10. +9
        24 July 2014 13: 01
        Giant thought
        Ukraine surrenders itself, so much so that only a crack is worth it! What prevented the same maydanuty from calmly considering the proposals of Lugansk and Donetsk, to share money and partly powers, not to dance around the Russian language, especially since "Ridna Mova" is a fucking surzhik! And no problem! Russia would help, as it always did before. They would also go on livelihoods. Peace of mind and God's grace! So no !!! When ... the axis is to join the EU. The majority of the population itself does not understand where it is and why. And who is waiting for them there. And away we go !!! "Russian revolt, senseless and merciless" multiplied by hohlyat's greed and obstinacy!
        And you, the Giant of Thought, "the father of Russian democracy and a person close to the emperor" smile should understand better than others that if someone wants to smash his forehead against a wall - he will do it anyway! And stopping him is useless. One can only advise to fight on a corner - it’s more effective ...
      11. macarque
        +5
        24 July 2014 15: 28
        Excuse me ... WHY DO WE NEED A POOR AND NOT WISHING TO WORK Dill? Why are we i.e. Russia will feed THIS a bunch of drones at all levels from the underbelly of the right-hander to the silly eggs Nyukov with parasites? for what? to be guilty forever again? Or do we have nowhere to put funds in the country? To accept all those who want to live in Russia and need it, let the rest go where they were so eager, to the geyropu, their problems in the end.
      12. RamRU
        +1
        25 July 2014 04: 29
        For united Russian Ukraine
      13. 0
        25 July 2014 08: 16
        It seems to me that Russia has already had its "bribes" in this round ... What will the United States do with Ukraine after "victory" ??? ... there is no economy, no one needs production, agriculture .... and the population is not sickly - the question is who will pay for this banquet? The bottom line is that neither Ukraine nor the United States needs "victory" - a process is needed, "war" is their business and nothing more. The war will end sooner or later, and then (as the article says) our lost brothers will experience our "90s" on their own skin.
      14. 0
        25 July 2014 13: 51
        [media = http: //coub.com/view/2lu7y]
      15. 0
        7 August 2014 03: 55
        It is impossible to defeat a people fighting for their homeland, land, relatives. A monkey won't get anything.
    2. FACKtoREAL
      -56
      24 July 2014 09: 29
      I even shed a tear .... crying
      "I BELIEVE you, TOVARISCH Putin!"
      writes well, like Mayakovsky!
      or even better ... winked
      wassat
      1. +12
        24 July 2014 12: 44
        Quote: FACKtoREAL
        I even shed a tear .... crying
        "I BELIEVE you, TOVARISCH Putin!"
        writes well, like Mayakovsky!
        or even better ... winked
        wassat

        Read Mayakovsky at least once? It is unlikely judging by the ability to sculpt emoticons. Buy a coloring and start developing.
        1. +2
          24 July 2014 13: 26
          he didn't read a shit! except, perhaps, "Turnip" ... um- with gulkin * uy, except for smiles there is nothing in the head ...
        2. +4
          24 July 2014 16: 30
          Read Mayakovsky at least once? It is unlikely judging by the ability to sculpt emoticons.
          Let him at least read it here! A very good poem, has not lost its relevance even now!

          Little son came to his father,
          and asked the little one:
          - What is good and what is bad?-
          I have no secrets -
          Listen, kids, -

          Dads this answer
          put in a book.
          - If the roof wind breaks,
          if the hail dies, -
          everyone knows - this is it
          bad for walking.

          Rain dripped and passed.
          The sun in the whole world.
          It is very good
          and big and children.

          If the son is blacker than night
          the dirt lies on the face, -
          Clear this is very bad
          for the baby's skin.

          If a boy likes soap
          and tooth powder,
          this boy is very cute
          is doing well.

          If a crappy brawler beats
          a weak boy,
          I do not want to
          even paste into the book.

          This one screams: - Do not touch
          those who are shorter! -
          This boy is so good
          just a sightseeing!

          If you broke
          a little book and a ball
          all the guys say:
          a rather poor boy.

          If a boy likes work,
          pokes a book with a finger,
          write about this here:
          he's a good boy.

          From the crow
          ran away, zaohav.
          This boy is just a coward.
          This is very bad.

          This, albeit himself from the vershok,
          arguing with a formidable bird.
          Brave boy, ok
          useful in life.

          This one got into the mud and glad
          that a dirty shirt.
          They say about this
          he is bad - a slut.

          This one cleans valenki,
          washes galoshes himself.
          Although he is small
          but quite good.

          Remember this is every son.
          Know any child:
          will grow from a son of pigs,
          if the son of a pig.

          The joyful boy went, and decided the baby:
          "I will do x o r o sh o
          and I will not plo x o ".
          1. +2
            25 July 2014 13: 23
            A wonderful poem by Mayakovsky, how rarely we read this kind of poetry to children. And as a result, ki grow up ready to kill and burn people just for their beliefs, for dissent. Children turn into beasts of a stray herd. And there is always a shepherd who will teach these "children" to zig.
          2. 0
            26 July 2014 10: 15
            This is the same in the subject.
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      2. +4
        24 July 2014 13: 46
        Quote: FACKtoREAL
        I even shed a tear ....


        Tears help improve vision. Cleanse eyes. Even your shameless ones ...
        Remember: Wisdom, like tortoise soup, is not accessible to everyone. (Kozma Rods)
    3. sash66
      +3
      24 July 2014 10: 23
      I completely agree with the author of the article. Russia is more than sure that there is direct satellite evidence of who shot down the Boeing. No wonder the Americans backed up. And you can’t fight with Ukraine in any case. They will fall apart. They can’t live without Russian supplies for a year -Next there is a new maidan. And there they themselves, when they put their teeth on the shelf, will freeze over this winter, get the corpses of their relatives, begin to overthrow the pig and his team. Here Russia is having fun, and I think Amer Putin will remember everything. For Russia there is evidence of the September 11 attack.
      1. smolnuy
        +11
        24 July 2014 11: 30
        There is evidence, so what. Ukroamerikosovsky moron to the bulb any sensible talk. Everything around them was subhuman. They were going to give the recorders to specialists in international affairs, and they gave them to the Netherlands, and they, in turn, to the English Russophobes. And all the results, POSSIBLE! ?, will be made public at their discretion. In Kiev, the records of the dispatcher leading this airliner, together with him, have already disappeared. That's the whole answer to our evidence of the guilt of these fagots.
        1. MSA
          MSA
          +1
          24 July 2014 14: 35
          If they were of real value, he would fall into the right hands.
      2. +2
        24 July 2014 12: 57
        Poroshenko will still envy the fate of Yanukovych and Kerensky
    4. -15
      24 July 2014 10: 34
      Quote: ya.seliwerstov2013
      I believe you so far, Vladimir Putin!
      And I didn’t. The daughter of our GDP was never mentioned. And here on you. He really lives in Holland. In Vorschoten. And the mayor of Hilversum, Peter Broeters, offers to deport her.
      1. +4
        24 July 2014 10: 40
        Insanity in the country grows stronger.
        1. +4
          24 July 2014 11: 18
          You will not find quality children's books during the day with fire. and this nonsense, please print. Already for Putin is not convenient. lol
          1. +4
            24 July 2014 11: 46
            There are a lot of high-quality children's books, the question is in the parents what they buy for their children. If the parents are "bridged", then they will see the books only under their own speculation.
            1. DMB-88
              +3
              24 July 2014 12: 59
              Quote: anfil
              There are a lot of high-quality children's books, the question is in the parents what they buy for their children. If the parents are "bridged", then they will see the books only under their own speculation.


              And tell me where to buy children the works of Arkady Gaidar? or are they not relevant right now?
              1. +3
                24 July 2014 15: 41
                On ozone - is, I mean the paper edition.
              2. +3
                24 July 2014 15: 42
                The messages laid down in the books of A. Gaidar are relevant now. But because of the granddaughter, now this surname for many, sounds like a curse. Yes, and now it’s not profitable for publishers to publish honest and correct information. May God give them the Dontsovs, etc. have time to stamp.
              3. 0
                24 July 2014 21: 05
                If you want to buy this particular author, type in the search engine "buy books by Arkady Gaidar" and good luck with home delivery. For instance:http://www.labirint.ru/authors/18636/ Seeker let him find it.
        2. 0
          24 July 2014 15: 36
          There were enough idiots licking from those in power, under any ruler. This is not Putin's problem, but the people's misfortune that he has such hangers-on and "servants of the people." We chose it ourselves, and now we ourselves are surprised.
          1. +1
            24 July 2014 19: 52
            thank. You more accurately expressed my thought hi
        3. 0
          24 July 2014 20: 40
          There are enough idiots everywhere, so is this songwriter. I decided to curry favor. That cannot be trust. This is the so-called 6 column. Penetrate into the system, try to lead and bring everything to insanity.
        4. 0
          25 July 2014 19: 09
          Better be * fucked up * than BANDERLOGS .......
      2. +6
        24 July 2014 11: 49
        Quote: baltika-18
        The daughter of our GDP has never been mentioned
        That's why he divorced. Leave family affairs alone.
        1. +1
          24 July 2014 12: 42
          Quote: Committee
          Leave family affairs alone.
          You and I have family matters. And his family affairs ended when he became head of state. This is a trait beyond which there is no personal, but only state.
          1. 0
            25 July 2014 09: 37
            Quote: baltika-18
            And his family affairs are over
            So they ended. Officially ended. What kind of money is fish again?
      3. +4
        24 July 2014 13: 34
        Yes, what the hell is the difference, whose daughter lives where !!! ??? what the hell is heaping everything up! .. even though she lives on the moon! Can you go to the Zhiguli yourself? - also an hidden enemy? .. idiots, bl * you ...
      4. 0
        24 July 2014 20: 11
        Well, in the first place, he had already sharply changed his mind (the mayor of Hilversum, Peter Broeters),
        and secondly, yesterday I wrote in another thread:

        demon1978 RU Yesterday, 23:08 PM | Cameraman Anna-news and journalist RT were captured by Ukrainians
        Oprychnik (1)  Today, 22:31 PM ↑

        The mayor of the Dutch city called for the deportation of Putin's daughter from the Netherlands

        C'mon !!!! In class !!!!
        The GDP will then send all "our" COLORED ones under its own power, and will make everyone a tattoo on OPE "I AM YOUR MOUNTAIN, WILL LIVE WITH YOU" !!!
        Let dudes there FRIEND EACH OTHER ENJOY: and we are of use and it’s good for them to HARMONY to work her out !!!!! Moreover, the Prime Minister of the Netherlands Mark Rutte (photo) VERY LOVES THEM if there are no problems with visas (he already is training) - have a good trip !!!
        ASAP !!!
      5. +1
        24 July 2014 22: 50
        And I - nasr, I - UKRAINIAN (not hohlomen), I - KRYMCHANIN and I am proud that MY president (even the prince) - GDP. And you - a Ukrainian. happiness!
        PS Do not bother komenty not read.
    5. +10
      24 July 2014 10: 36
      Of course, Russia should and does help, and not only because the Russians. We help those who cannot stand up for themselves women, children, the elderly and other refugees. And let the men fight. It is their mission to protect their land.
      1. +5
        24 July 2014 13: 50
        Quote: Mahmut
        And let the men fight. It is their mission to protect their land.


        This is the most correct answer. And many of them are hiding, fleeing ... And in the cities captured by Ukraine, they are being led into the army of killers on occasion. And they go like sheep to the slaughter, unfortunately.
        1. +4
          24 July 2014 15: 49
          Quote: AleksUkr
          And they go - like sheep to the slaughter, unfortunately.
          here really sheep! Went to the woods.
      2. +1
        24 July 2014 15: 52
        Mahmut is a complete plus good
        And then there are already Serbs and ours, and the locals near Rostov at the recreation centers are being extinguished?
      3. 0
        24 July 2014 18: 04
        Quote: Mahmut
        Of course, Russia should and does help

        This is a shot from the Ukrainian military. I again have a question: where and how are the phones charged if the transport is broken? At 2.25, the guy says that Russia is beating on them.
    6. +4
      24 July 2014 13: 22
      In the dill-gosdepovskih media in the list of heroes of the day in the first place - Putin ... No, after all, he turns them on! ..
      1. +4
        24 July 2014 16: 33
        Yes, he brings them ALL ALL for a long time and densely, they already CERCHETE in ALL places (especially from the rear).
        Let them scratch ANYTHING
        1. 0
          24 July 2014 17: 54


          Ukopy also itchy in full !!!
          SO KEEP THE GUYS !!!!!!! Crush this trash !!!!!!!!!!!
        2. +1
          24 July 2014 19: 00
          Putin handsome
    7. +1
      24 July 2014 15: 27
      The company of the GAZ Group Oleg Deripaska continues to supply engine parts for Ukrainian tanks to the Kharkov Tank Plant.

      The Kharkov plant named after Malyshev increased the production of Bulat tanks thanks to the uninterrupted supply of diesel engines from the Yaroslavl plant of diesel equipment.

      The Yaroslavl Diesel Equipment Plant (YAZDA), even in the current military confrontation between the Ukrainian authorities and militias of the southeast, continues to supply units (diesel groups) for tank engines, which are produced at the V.A. Malyshev Kharkov Transport Engineering Plant.

      According to information in June - July, at the request of the Kharkov enterprise, YAZDA significantly increased the supply of its products to the Ukrainian side. It is obvious that the Malyshev plant is increasing the production of tanks and other heavy self-propelled equipment for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard, howling in the Donbass and in the Luhansk region. As repeatedly reported earlier, the Kharkov tank factory received an order from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for a multiple increase in the production of Bulat tanks, which is associated with the activation of the so-called Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO). Meanwhile, the fact that Kharkov tanks with Yaroslavl diesels fired and continue to shoot at civilians in the southeastern regions of Ukraine is an indisputable fact.

      YAZDA Yaroslavl diesel against militias? At YAZDA itself, the ongoing cooperation with the Malyshev Kharkov Plant is preferred not to advertise. So, on the official website of the Yaroslavl enterprise contains information on cooperation, for example, with companies such as Avtodiesel, KAMAZ, Altaydizel, Minsk and Tutaevsky motor plants. The Malyshev plant is not prudently listed as partners. However, information that YAZDA equipment is supplied to Ukraine and installed on Ukrainian tanks is confirmed by reliable independent sources.

      The press service of YAZDA refused to comment on the issues of cooperation of the enterprise with the Kharkov plant. Representatives of the GAZ Group, which includes the Yaroslavl diesel equipment plant, were also inaccessible for comment. Meanwhile, the GAZ Group, which controls the partnerships of YAZDA, is owned by well-known businessman Oleg Deripaska.
      1. 0
        24 July 2014 20: 49
        Quote: DevilDog85
        by a multiple increase in production of tanks of the Bulat series

        Multiple fails, they can make 10 pcs a year and even a contract with Thailand hangs
    8. 0
      24 July 2014 22: 45
      I’ll never forget the beginning of '95 either. Since then I haven’t shot animals. Although I am in the hunting community.
    9. 0
      25 July 2014 10: 37
      Article PLUS! good
    10. Dianaddd
      0
      26 July 2014 20: 41
      Dear Russians, I am writing to you from Austria. I have lived and studied in Russia, since then Russia has remained in my heart. I am writing to you with a very big request: DO NOT GIVE UP THE WEST AND DO NOT HAVE YOUR PRESIDENT PUTIN!
      Here, there is continuous propaganda against Putin and Russia, news broadcasts are an open incitement to hatred of your President, no rules of decent tone are respected, solid money was thrown for this, in order to lower V. Putin’s rating in any way, thousands of people bought were bought on social networks work in this direction (for example: http://unterhaltung.de.msn.com/stars/news/wladimir-putin-gesicht-des-russischen-
      pr% C3% A4sidenten-ziert-softes-klopapier # image = 1) The West and America are doing everything possible so that the Russian people stop supporting Putin, they spread the thesis that the Russian people do not want him anymore, show some 1 or 2 passers-by in Russia who speak out against the President. In the Western media you will never see any good news from Russia, the cold war has never ended here. Russia and Putin are presented only in a negative sense. Most people think that Russians are drunken savages living in poverty under dictatorship Putin, who wants to conquer the whole world. This propaganda is similar to the Göbel propaganda of the 30s, just awful! German channels show documentaries about the Second World War in their version, where Hitler is presented as a hero, but the "bad" Russians did not want to surrender, moreover, they won. Thus, hatred of Russia increases. and did not show, they wrote only a couple of lines, allegedly Russia has its own version of this. All the terrible deeds of the Kiev government and the army are not shown, they do not show the murder of people, they reinforce Kiev in every way. Here is just some kind of madness! There are people who can think soberly, but this is a minority.
      Obama is doing everything to overthrow his greatest enemy and he wants to do it with the hands of the Russian people. In his speech to the next sanctions, he said, "If Putin continues in his course in relation to Ukraine, then by this he exposes his people to poverty" - in this and his plan will take place.
      The Russian people is, in its history, a heroic people. In our time, this people has prevailed the greatest, wisest leader-president V.V. Putin, he has done a lot for Russia, a lot of work lies on his shoulders, and yet he is also only a man , BUT if you add the Russian people to this person, you get the strongest alloy, which breaks down all the western and American arrows.
      I ask you, stand by your president, for him your support is the most important weapon with which he can resist all attacks from the west.
      It would be very smart to show somehow to the West that you are standing with Putin, that you are against all this lies and the war in Ukraine.

      With deep respect to Russia, the Russian people and to Vladimir Putin
      1. 1970mk
        0
        27 July 2014 00: 14
        You are funny ... And you will be surprised that a quarter of Russians receive up to 10500 rubles a month while working? Prices are in Europe .. You can answer, in Europe, who works for such a lot of money? Am I misinterpreting something? Refer to the state statistics website - be amazed at Putin’s wise Domestic policy ... That's about the Internal problems of the year 2 ZERO in the media, it’s entirely Patriotism on the external front ... The funny thing is that 3 Friends of the Native Leader Miller, Sechin, Yakunin in 2013 year leading state corporations received more than a billion rubles of official salary ....
  2. +20
    24 July 2014 09: 02
    Thank you for the competent and sensible presentation of my thoughts. smile I can only add a phrase that is familiar to everyone: "A fairy tale tells quickly, but it takes a long time to get done." It's about destroying states as an "evil empire". Everything will be, only "tarapis is not necessary, yes".
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    2. +7
      24 July 2014 09: 38
      Quote: zao74
      Thank you for the competent and sensible presentation of my thoughts. smile I can only add a phrase that is familiar to everyone: "A fairy tale tells quickly, but it takes a long time to get done." It's about destroying states as an "evil empire". Everything will be, only "tarapis is not necessary, yes".


      Yes, I agree with that. The article puts the situation and thoughts on the shelves well.
    3. +13
      24 July 2014 09: 55
      I agree too. Yes, OUR family of RUSSIA has a native family of Ukraine. Yes, they have contention in rent. Yes, we, as right relatives, do not meddle in their affairs, but we have sheltered their children (refugees), while they are crowding out who is right and who is to blame. It’s just that we don’t want it to be as always - you climb into the quarrels of others or crayfish and ultimately find yourself guilty.
      And for this, whoever says anything - a huge gratitude to Putin and his team!
      1. +5
        24 July 2014 10: 18
        It's a shame that we did not fit in, but are already to blame. And Putin-well done!
  3. -30
    24 July 2014 09: 02
    the author sings well. let them slaughter the Russians in Novorossiya-and spit on them, they are not Russians. The Russians are, after all, Rottenberg, Timchenko and other "friends". they can pinch denyuzhki.
    1. +36
      24 July 2014 09: 05
      They are not abandoned by anyone, we help everyone we can (and cannot). They are Ukrainians and must win their freedom with arms in hand, and if "my heart is bleeding," I can help get there.
      1. +25
        24 July 2014 09: 13
        Quote: zao74
        let them slaughter Russians in Novorossia - and spit on them, they are not Russians

        1. In fact: they really are not Russians.
        2. After the announcement of the next "partial mobilization", the male population is going to hide, flee to Russia, and only a few will join the militia.
        Do you think this is normal?
        1. +5
          24 July 2014 10: 32
          The article is correct.
          Very tired of the constant forum ideological "Couch Wars".
          You need to understand that no one will rattle about the physical results of help, this time.
          Secondly, Putin is a man and a citizen of the USSR, and now the head of the inhabitants of the territory of the USSR.
          For those who write about Ukraine, for some reason it is considered real to perceive this territory as a separate country.
          But personally, my country is much larger, and its significant part is trampled by the enemy. It's just that for me Crimea-2014, something like the Yelninsk offensive - 1941, and until the victorious one there can be no "Battle of Moscow", "Kharkov cauldron", "Stalingrad fracture", etc.
          Everyone needs to do their own thing.
          And judging by the mass appeals of "PUTINVEDIVOISK", the guys are actively working off the wrapped wrappers.
      2. -25
        24 July 2014 09: 56
        The Kremlin does not help in fact, but it was possible to cut off gas earlier and not load Ukrainian plants and forbid Russian banks to issue loans in Ukraine and threaten to close their borders and return 2-3 million ukrov home - nothing was done, and the Kremlin itself provoked an uprising and threw them
        1. djtyysq
          -2
          24 July 2014 10: 13
          Quote: threaten to close the borders and return 2-3 million ukrov home - nothing was done, and the Kremlin itself provoked an uprising and abandoned them [/ quote



          And you would like these 3 million ukrov now called in Ukraine and thrown to the South-East?
          1. +2
            24 July 2014 14: 55
            these 3 million would make a social explosion in the country - and yes, with such a rating, I will soon become a darth vader - no less
        2. +1
          24 July 2014 10: 30
          Quote: DevilDog85
          nothing done

          -then we reserve the right to use all available ...
          But there is no promise to physically and immediately help the armed forces, so Putin is right now not to send troops and why not persuade him now
          Quote: DevilDog85
          and yes the Kremlin itself provoked an uprising

          And here you are most likely right
        3. +8
          24 July 2014 11: 24
          What nonsense? Why doesn't it help? And who accepted the refugees? Before writing absurd things, think about gas - it could have been earlier, but excuse Ukraine's debt to Gazprom, no one canceled it is a matter of time, they will have to return it, Russian banks do not issue loans in Ukraine, they are given by the IMF, with the filing of the US credit Ukraine's rating was raised by changing the "pre-default" to "stable" for the privatization of state assets - i.e. by plundering national property, the return of 1,8 Ukrainians officially arriving on the territory of the Russian Federation, that is, you want to return adequate white people to the zone of military conflict, so that residents of the Uzeko-Turkmen-Kyrgyzs will take their places, among other things? the quota for migrants was reduced in 2014 yes, but not by 2 million, but by 100 thousand people, but for that matter, I'd rather live side by side with Ukrainians than with Caucasians, moreover, I see pluses in all this the situation is that Slavs cross the territory of the Russian Federation every day and thereby dilute the regions that have flooded with representatives of the Caucasian region and I hope that for this reason the latter will dump home those unclaimed in Russia, the Kremlin did not provoke an uprising, moreover, if you strain your memory and remember the events of 2012 - swamp rallies and unrest on the territory of the Russian Federation, after analyzing objective information, and not custom-made stuffing of bulk and other evil spirits, you will see that the swamp rally and the Maidan developed according to the same scenario, with the only difference that it was nipped in the bud, the situation in Ukraine had further development and it would be very "democratic" to submit the whole country to radical nationalists.
          By the way, I recommend watching the video that got into YouTube after the events of 2012 in Moscow, called "Russia without Putin" dated February 2012 - it tells what the country of bulk and Udaltsov would support. Watch the video and the key events that have taken place in Ukraine since February. Do you get it? Alain Dulles' plan revised and adapted to modern realities.
      3. +2
        24 July 2014 10: 24
        Quote: zao74
        They are Ukrainians

        Ukrainians and Ukrainian citizens are two big differences hi
        1. +3
          24 July 2014 10: 36
          Here you are wrong. Only Ukrainian citizens can be called Ukrainians. But what nationality they are - Russians (Little Russians), Poles, Hungarians, Romanians or Jews - this is another matter. There is never and never has been such a nationality - Ukrainian. It is foolish to deny the obvious)
          1. +2
            24 July 2014 11: 21
            Quote: Docent1984
            Here you are wrong

            Well, Ukrainian = citizen of Ukraine and vice versa then a citizen of the USSR = adolescent ??? Nationality is this ??? So according to your logic? Or not? Explain to me ignorant pzhlst
            1. +6
              24 July 2014 12: 20
              Sure, not a problem. Usually in the world it is customary to call the citizens of a state by a separate term if this state is mono-national. The USSR was a multinational state, and a separate term was not used, for there was no mention of the titular nation in the name of the state. Sometimes, if the title nation is used in the name of the state, this term is used to refer to all citizens. For example, there is the state of the Republic of Kazakhstan. There are 90 nationalities living there. All citizens are called Kazakhstanis. There is no title nation in the name of the USSR. Therefore, a citizen of the USSR is a citizen of the USSR, or a Soviet person. And his nationality could be any of 160. The state of Ukraine has, as far as I know, 8 nationalities. All of them with a passport with a trident are called Ukrainians. This is true. But to say that an Odessa Jew, a Kharkov Great Russian, a Poltava Little Russian, an Uzhgorod Ruthenian, a Lvov Pole, a Ternopil Slovak - they all have the nationality of "Ukrainian" - is not fair.
          2. +1
            24 July 2014 15: 45
            Dear minusers! Do not remain anonymous, argue your position. I now have a position, and there are arguments, and you only have a position. Try to justify it. Give information on ethnogenesis and the formation of national identity of this, in your opinion, existing nationality. Of course, with historical references)
          3. 0
            25 July 2014 13: 58
            No dear, you are mistaken.
            people in Ukraine, at the moment, are divided into citizens of Ukraine who are ready to jump all the time, "Who does not jump that b" and not citizens (second-class people), regardless of the word specified in the 5th column of the passport. Well, and separately about the help of New Russia ... When, when repulsing a tank attack on Gorlovka, Mozgovoy's fighters work out three out of 10 rounds. Think about who and how is helping New Russia. But there is no one else to rely on in Novorossiya, as there is no one to rely on you for.
            1. 0
              25 July 2014 15: 38
              We did not discuss this issue at all. What you are talking about has nothing to do with nationality. As for help, I will personally say for myself. I do not consider it necessary to go there to fight, because I, firstly, have no experience in military operations, and secondly, I am sure that there are enough men of my age and about the same capabilities as me who should take up arms and protect your land. If the Nazis bombed Rostov, without thinking for a minute I would go to war. But as for a different form of assistance - material - I do it regularly as far as possible, as well as very many on military review. And I wake to continue to do this. And the refugees here are accepted without question. Although I personally saw individual representatives who behaved, to put it mildly, in a boorish manner ... And this is very upsetting ... I hope very much that this is just a small part of cowards and provocateurs against the background of the rest of the normal people who have really suffered.
        2. +2
          24 July 2014 11: 23
          But Ukraine is what?
          The answer to the studio, taking into account the results of the signing of the ossification from the EU, Crimea and the Turkish wars of the 18-19 century.
        3. +1
          24 July 2014 13: 25
          so while you share it, the problems will never end.
          You will constantly run into the problem of describing the dogma "real" Ukrainian, citizen, etc., inevitably oppressing those who do not fall under the definition. And you will understand only on your own skin when each of you yourself turns out to be not a real Ukrainian, citizen, pensioner, voter, etc.
      4. 0
        24 July 2014 12: 47
        And I am ready to meet on shipment, unloading from me if that
    2. +12
      24 July 2014 09: 13
      Quote: Starfish
      the author is singing nicely.


      A bit cloying. But I support the parallel with Chechnya. War is not needed. And Russia can accept many.
      1. -5
        24 July 2014 10: 37
        Quote: Vadivak
        War is not needed

        True or not, but the "Velvet season" is planned for the fall on the invasion of Crimea with the support of NATO aviation and navy Think
        1. -3
          24 July 2014 11: 17
          Quote: sssla
          True or not, but the "Velvet season" is planned for the fall on the invasion of Crimea with the support of NATO aviation and navy Think

          Where did the information come from? Comrade is going to Yalta in September. If true, I will dissuade. Throw off the coordinates.
          1. +2
            24 July 2014 11: 28
            Quote: Sh.O.K.
            Where does the information come from?

            The data has not been verified by me and I'm sorry I can’t confirm the dock. But there is such info on your part. I don’t want to scare anyone and don’t think that I’m pumping, but it’s better to tune in for the worst than to go to hell with rainbow thoughts
            1. 0
              24 July 2014 12: 53
              Quote: sssla
              Quote: Sh.O.K.
              Where does the information come from?

              The data has not been verified by me and I'm sorry I can’t confirm the dock. But there is such info on your part. I don’t want to scare anyone and don’t think that I’m pumping, but it’s better to tune in for the worst than to go to hell with rainbow thoughts

              Thank you for the answer, but in my opinion about NATO it’s still in the realm of fantasy. They can crawl, but they alone. NATO if it supports, then it’s mat. Technically, but not directly. IMHO.
        2. 0
          24 July 2014 14: 19
          Quote: sssla
          Think of

          So we sit and think, where is the better climate? South Coast of France, California or Miami? And then all the "Velvet season", but the season! Anapa, Sochi and Gelendzhik are already tired! Well, as a last resort, the amber beaches of the Baltic States, not to be confused with Kaliningrad (reg. 39)! In principle, you can relax in all these places at once! And if with a GOOD TEAM OF FRIENDS! ..., then it will be -MOM DO NOT BURN!
          1. +1
            24 July 2014 14: 59
            Quote: Tol100v
            In principle, you can relax immediately in all these places!

            Not possible but necessary) But seriously, it’s time to put them in their real place. We already got the "sherkhany" s. Amero that their sixes
        3. 0
          24 July 2014 14: 20
          and here it is necessary?
      2. rodevaan
        0
        24 July 2014 10: 44
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: Starfish
        the author is singing nicely.


        A bit cloying. But I support the parallel with Chechnya. War is not needed. And Russia can accept many.


        - Moreover, these are still our own, our people. The endless delivery of non-Russian speaking culturally completely alien black guest workers is better than accepting and placing our people in the country!
    3. +53
      24 July 2014 09: 22
      And no one says that everything is fine. But what is happening in Novorossia is no reason to provide zinc coffins to the cities of Russia. Perhaps I’ll dig it now, but I am firmly convinced that Russia's direct intervention in the civil war in Ukraine will not only not solve the problem, but will aggravate it. This we will proceed from the fact that we are saving the brotherly people. And this same people will receive evidence that we are invaders. And most importantly, this will give a chance for the survival of the junta, which is finding it increasingly difficult to prove that Russia is to blame for all the troubles, which did not appear in the war against the warring Ukraine.
      Coffins are already being brought to the Rada, it is very difficult to justify the next mobilization and death of Ukrainian soldiers for no reason. And so far only prices are rising in Ukraine. Again, all the atrocities, all the destruction attributed to Russia.
      1. +5
        24 July 2014 09: 57
        Quote: Arhj
        Coffins are already being brought to the Rada, it is very difficult to justify the next mobilization and death of Ukrainian soldiers for no reason.

        Of course, on the other hand, it will be easy for the junta to justify the coffins from the war against Russia for a non-blocking one.
      2. +2
        24 July 2014 10: 41
        You are talking about it. The ideas of Nazism and "Svidomo" are a cancerous tumor. Which can be treated with pills, but without much success. It will only hurt a little less. And the RF Armed Forces are now in Novorossiya - it's like taking pills. An operation is needed here ... And yes, it will hurt, but there is no other way. Even in Novorossia itself, not to mention the rest of the former Ukraine, there are still "puppies" (((
      3. +3
        24 July 2014 10: 56
        Quote: Arhj
        Perhaps I’ll dig it now, but I am firmly convinced that Russia's direct intervention in the civil war in Ukraine will not only not solve the problem, but will aggravate it. This we will proceed from the fact that we are saving the brotherly people. And this same people will receive evidence that we are invaders.

        100%. nothing to rake. if you remove a small detachment of couch cheers patriots, then to any sober person the same thoughts constantly come to mind. I will say more. if the situation in Novorossia is aggravated, but there are all the prerequisites for this, and due to an incredible combination of circumstances, Russia will have a UN mandate to bring peacekeepers to New Russia, I think it is necessary to invite Kazakhs and Belarusians to the maximum. because this step will only strengthen the TS, and Svidomo throat stomps.
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    5. +18
      24 July 2014 09: 25
      To "Starfish": Don't "hustle". The material correctly reflects the state of affairs and is not replete with shabby slogans. I do not like? Go to the distant trench and shoot yourself, but so that the soldiers do not see. For the public suicide of the colonel-general does not raise the morale of the army at least. Better to sell your sofa, buy an unloading, slide and go to Novorossiya to command the DRG (if you trust). Which, however, I will recommend to myself ...
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    6. +5
      24 July 2014 09: 31
      I agree that, according to the author, it is only necessary to care about the Russians. How many Russians became non-Russians? Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk, with a stroke of the pen, instantly divided the Russians into Russians and NOT Russians. And now the author claims that there are "our" Russians and "not ours", for the first we will please, and let the second get out on their own.
      1. +7
        24 July 2014 09: 59
        Quote: cokolkz
        And how many Russians became NOT Russians? Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk instantly divided the Russians into Russians and NOT Russians with a stroke of the pen.

        This is understandable, this is a disaster, just what to do now? On tanks to collect Russian in Kazakhstan, Belarus and Ukraine? Fact is a fact and today it is other countries.
        1. 0
          24 July 2014 13: 07
          Move towards the Eurasian Union, which was proposed by N. Nazarbayev
      2. Vita_vko
        0
        24 July 2014 10: 04
        Of course, I really want to hope that Putin is closely following the situation in the DPR and LPR. But I still do not understand why Moscow recognized the results of the referendum in Crimea, but there is no referendum in the DPR and LPR, why are these republics still not recognized? Why do all Russians who are not indifferent to what is happening help the militias, and the official government pretends that it is everyone's personal business to fight or not with the fascists and murderers? The author tried to explain why Russia cannot send troops and stop killing the population with Ukrainian passports. Further, according to the logic of such a "storm of patriots", the deployment of NATO bases on the territory of Ukraine and the deployment of American missile defense missiles 100 km from Moscow is also an internal affair of the Kiev junta. Are there still naive people who think that having drowned New Russia in blood, Ukrainian fascists and their CIA patrons and teachers will stop at the borders with Russia?
        Are there really stupid people whose history is 15-20 years ago, with the bombings of houses and terrorist attacks throughout Russia did not teach anything?
        1. +3
          24 July 2014 10: 37
          Crimea is convenient to defend and capture it oh how difficult. There is no Erich Manstein with the Wehrmacht in Ukraine, there are no revolutionary troops as at the beginning of the last century.
        2. zzz
          zzz
          +4
          24 July 2014 11: 01
          Quote: Vita_vko
          Of course, I really want to hope that Putin is closely monitoring the situation in the DPR and LPR. But I still did not understand why Moscow recognized the results of the referendum in Crimea, but there is no referendum in the DPR and LPR, why are these republics still not recognized?


          Because Putin still hopes to squeeze out all of Ukraine. And this can only be done with the help of "citizens of Ukraine". And if he recognizes Novorossiya, then how to return the rest? Whose hands? And if the very edge comes, then I think he will.
        3. +1
          24 July 2014 15: 33
          Quote: Vita_vko
          But I still did not understand why Moscow recognized the results of the referendum in Crimea, but there is no referendum in the DPR and LPR, why are these republics still not recognized? Why do all Russians who are not indifferent to what is happening help the militias, and the official authorities pretend that it is everyone’s personal business to fight with the fascists and murderers or not.

          A brilliant operation was carried out in Crimea - no international norms and IHL were violated, no troops were brought in, there was no shooting or casualties, the population itself, through the local authorities, held a referendum and made a decision. Even this referendum corresponds to the Crimean constitution of 1991-93, which was illegally canceled by the Ukrop Rada. Everything there is so legally cleanly done that our "Western partners" simply have nothing to cling to - they have to simply stupidly repeat "we do not recognize the annexation of Crimea by Russia." And don't admit it, to hell with you.
          This can’t be done at SEI anymore - there are no our legal troops there, there are questions to the procedural part of the referendum (since there has never been a separate constitution, as in the Crimea), etc. But most importantly, there is no widespread support for pro-Russian sentiment. From the very beginning, there was no talk of any accession of the region to Russia according to the Crimean scenario, and the very idea of ​​Novorossia was promoted only as an argument in a dispute about the future status of all of Ukraine. Now Novorossia itself has come down to two regions instead of the initial megaproject, which for a long time, if not forever, has withdrawn Ukraine from the western orbit of influence. But Crimea is an autonomous republic that has been a part of Ukraine, and then separated and left for Russia.
          And most importantly, the island of Crimea is one thing with 2 millions of people and oil and gas on the shelf, and quite another 10 millions in Donetsk and Luhansk with collapsed industry and coal. This is a different load for Russia.
      3. -7
        24 July 2014 10: 38
        Care should be for everyone.
        And end up carrying foolhardy. Russian is an amorphous artificial word.
        There are Russian and non-Russian. The crucible of civil confrontation in the Donbass will show who is who.
        And even without order in the territory of today's Russia, there would be no way to resist the aggression of the West, remember 90.
        A tour of the northern Carpathians and Czech Tatras on the "flying T-80", I promise you, you just need to wait a little.
        1. Alexlt
          0
          27 July 2014 13: 57
          What relation to people fighting against fascism do Russians have or not?
    7. +15
      24 July 2014 10: 09
      Quote: Starfish
      the author is singing nicely. let the Russians slaughter in Novorossia - and spit on them, they are not Russians.

      Perhaps you should also read and think. Khokhlam has nothing to think about, maybe you will answer the questions.
    8. +8
      24 July 2014 10: 30
      He does not sing, but speaks essentially. As for the Russian cut-so raise it ... and go ahead, help!
      And I never wondered - why is it that two "republics" were formed in such a small territory at once, which even carried out a referendum with different questions in the ballots and which still do not want to unite?
      maybe you need to rub your eyes and face the truth - in Ukraine there is a simple division of power by various groups, and it is not necessary to entice Russian soldiers into the "showdown according to the concepts" of Ukrainians !!!
    9. -1
      24 July 2014 14: 06
      The old fish stank! Even setting "minus" for rotten fish is supposedly +.
    10. +1
      24 July 2014 16: 52
      Quote: Starfish
      let them cut Russians

      Yes, how much you can! Where the bl..t were these brothers when the Czechs slaughtered the Russians in Chechnya? Where were they when we guys were fighting "wolves"? I'll give you a hint. Some of them helped the Nokhchi people and also cut them. And the rest pretended that it was not their business. Apparently they became Ukrainians at once.
  4. -32
    24 July 2014 09: 06
    Another ode to the idolater!
    1. +1
      24 July 2014 12: 45
      You probably really love EBNya and Humpbacked?
  5. yourfriend
    -1
    24 July 2014 09: 09
    Somehow, the author looked narrowly at what was happening. At that time, there was no need to start anything and talk about some beautiful words about "compatriots and fellow citizens."
    But in general, Ukrainians are already doing miracles - they are selling children - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGFkOCvgU18
  6. +15
    24 July 2014 09: 09
    Ukraine, for what it allowed itself to do with itself for more than 20 years, should drink the cup of shame to the bottom. She must go through the purgatory that we once went through.

    I agree with the author of the article in full .... there is nothing to add! (and judging by the reports from the fronts of Novorossia no one has leaked and is not going to) There is purgatory ..!
  7. arch_kate3
    +6
    24 July 2014 09: 09
    All right! Article plus!
  8. -3
    24 July 2014 09: 11
    Let there be a parade of opinions (srach) fellow
  9. -5
    24 July 2014 09: 14
    in general, I’ll say so friends .... I’ll knock me out, then respect me Ukrainets, and Yaksho will not)))))
    1. +4
      24 July 2014 09: 59
      Quote: sullen fin
      yaksho me to knock that respect mene Ukraіnets, and yaksho nі that nі)))

      From western Ukraine.
      And you do, as our newly made mobilized ones - hide in the forests. Evil tongues say that they have already caved up caches and dragged provisions into these caches. We have autumn - not a Russian couple, frosts - a rarity, mushrooms - heaps. So they will survive until winter.
  10. +11
    24 July 2014 09: 15
    Quite competently and reasonably. I am in no way an "idolater" or a fan of Putin, but I completely agree with the opinion of the author of the article.
  11. -21
    24 July 2014 09: 17
    Yes, yes! That's right! And let our aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, grandparents die under fire! And we are Russians, our hut on the edge, we have our own country, and you have your own! Sorry, but such things! So if you judge, all people are brothers. So, now to fight for everyone? Friendship and kinship are certainly cool and cool, but only as long as everything is good! Is it true? Hide yourself, hide behind ... Cover your eyes with everyone, with your reasonable arguments Throwing relatives is not right. It's not right, guys.
    1. +10
      24 July 2014 09: 24
      And you, apparently, are already standing in line at the draft board, or are crossing the Russian-Ukrainian border to join the militia?
      1. +4
        24 July 2014 09: 42
        Quote: skylare
        or cross the Russian-Ukrainian border to join the militia?
        And why do we have a government, national interests? As long as it is already possible to engage in this demagogy, they will be called upon, the majority will not run to other countries to hide from the agenda, do not doubt. It's another matter when, according to our interests, the West is already brazenly spitting in the eyes, and our government is all "God's dew" so that the "partners" are not offended and are not in a hurry to wipe themselves off. As for the article, for Crimea, after all, there is no need to make excuses, and since the number of "lawyers" multiplies for the liability with Novorossia, it means that not everything is correct in our policy, especially since Putin said on March 4 this year: that this chaos begins in the eastern regions, if people ask us for help, and we already have an official appeal from the current legitimate president, then we reserve the right to use all the means at our disposal to protect these citizens. And we consider it quite legitimate. " Then do not show the corpses of children and women in Novorossiya, our destruction on the border from shelling of dill on TV, lie, like the Bandera and the United States ... What else can you say here.
        And neither the church nor the tavern

        Nothing is holy!

        No, guys, it's not like that!

        It's not like that, guys ...

        1. +7
          24 July 2014 09: 53
          As I already wrote, I do not justify and do not defend Putin in any way. But I also understand that a full-scale war with Ukraine will result in serious consequences for our country, not to mention the fact that our guys will die there. I doubt their families will understand you. Despite all the heady talk on the websites, the Russian army is still far from fully armed and re-equipped. Losses are inevitable, as in any war. How long it will last is also unknown, since ukrov will be actively supported by our "partners".
          1. -2
            24 July 2014 10: 39
            Quote: skylare
            But I also understand that a full-scale war with Ukraine will result in serious consequences for our country, not to mention the fact that our guys will die there. I doubt that their families will understand you.
            I will answer you, Marina, this is how our men are already dying, those who have crossed the border as volunteers, as they say, having paid all the debts and fines to our customs in Russia for the "rest". They are dying both because instead of the authorities they took upon themselves the responsibility to protect their own people, and because this government squeezed the recognition of New Russia and real military assistance to its fighters. Russians, our relatives and friends from Novorossia, ordinary, civilians are already dying there, and those who survived become refugees. A citizen of Russia has already been killed by the Ukronazis during the shelling of our territory, what is the "limit" of our government for their conscience and official responsibility, how many more Russians should be killed on the border in their own homes? Maybe, in order not to provoke the Banderaites, together with the border guards, we will evacuate and move all our border villages away from the border? What to expect, what readiness of the army, and will the new Bandera Dill and NATO wait for our "readiness"? If they crush the resistance of Novorossiya, then their mobilized army, reinforced with equipment, instructors and NATO mercenaries, will go to return Crimea, as they promise, then our soldiers will die much more, and not only soldiers, but also civilians. As for the readiness of the army, the army must always be ready for war, and be able to fight with the weapons that are now, and not with those that someday will be.
            1. +1
              24 July 2014 10: 56
              I don’t think it’s worth panicking like that. Nobody will surrender New Russia, but it will not support the troops of the Russian Federation either. it took time, it had to be done right after the Crimea, when everyone was disoriented, and in Ukraine itself there was confusion and stagger. Now we have to stand and hold the front, hoping to grind what is in the Ukrainian army and wait for the collapse of their economy. And I am struck by the inertia of the local population, its not a desire to fight for its freedom, its indifference. Volunteers are fighting, there are very few local people. You are being killed, your fathers and grandfathers are being ousted from the land, and instead of picking up weapons and fighting, you are dumped in Russia. It's a shame!!!
              1. Alexlt
                0
                27 July 2014 14: 19
                Syrdon, whom did you call the locals who don’t fight? The milestones of the citizens of Ukraine so far, or specifically the residents of Slavyansk, Semenovka, Nikolaevka, Krasniy Lyman, Kramatorsk, Dzerzhinsk, Lisichansk, Gorlovka, Debaltseve, Makeevka, Donetsk, Lugansk, etc.? Specifically!
            2. +2
              24 July 2014 11: 26
              Yes, I am aware of what is happening there and who is dying there. I think that, firstly, it is very premature to bury Novorossiya. There have been so many talks that "everything is over," nevertheless, the militias are fighting very effectively. Secondly, what about military assistance is a big question. Part of the militia's equipment is military trophies, of course, but the rest ... I strongly doubt that the Ukrainians are so kind that they left tanks, self-propelled guns, and Grad installations in such numbers that they can be fired at several sectors of the front at once. There is help, in small quantities, but there is. I am generally silent about humanitarian aid and volunteer assistance, everyone already knows everything. And Crimea has a much more convenient strategic location, in order to hold the defense against ground forces, large forces will not be required. In addition, it will be a war on Russian territory, and here we will already be able to fully repulse the attackers.
              1. +1
                24 July 2014 12: 34
                Quote: skylare
                And the Crimea has a much more convenient strategic location in order to hold the defense against the ground forces, large forces are not required.
                This is a common misconception, strategically Crimea is very dependent and vulnerable from the mainland. Review the lessons of the Civil, where the assault was not only through the Sivash, the invasion of Manstein's army in World War II, our subsequent liberation of the Crimea from the Nazis. Do not forget that Turkey, as a NATO member or a third party during a military conflict, can declare a blockade of the straits, and NATO ships with a "humanitarian" mission can enter the Black Sea. Not everything is so calm in Crimea as we would like, especially if they try to make a "regional conflict" out of the new Crimean war, in which the Kiev authorities will try to return "their" and "legal" territory, as in the case of the fact that is happening now in the South-East of the former Ukraine. The Banderaites do not have nuclear weapons, so its use by Russia against their forces is quite problematic, they will have to fight according to the scenario of a "border armed conflict" by conventional means. Finally, let's make a reservation right away that now we are not talking about the introduction of Russian troops into Novorossia, we need political will to recognize Novorossia, their right to self-determination, equal to the right of the citizens of Crimea and Sevastopol. We are not thieves and bandits like the United States, with their mischievous CIA help and protection of thugs against Assad, the fact that we are armed with something and somehow help, sorry, we are not thieves and bandits, and even more so, the superiority of forces and weapons among the dill, and not among the militia The military and mobilization potential is also incomparably higher for dill. If the authorities in Kiev are not legitimate, they are criminals, and it is sinful to be ashamed of legal resistance to the Nazi junta without openly helping the DPR and LPR, especially after Crimea. It is better to solve the problem in Novorossiya than later in the Crimea and on its western border.
              2. Alexlt
                0
                27 July 2014 14: 22
                Skylare, Have you well studied all known from the history of the capture of Crimea? I don’t think so.
        2. +7
          24 July 2014 10: 03
          Quote: Per se.
          “If we see that this chaos begins in the eastern regions, if people ask us for help,

          These are keywords, in fact, many people drink beer in the cafe and it is not visible that everyone would stand up.
          1. Web
            +3
            24 July 2014 12: 30
            Quote: Vladimirets
            in fact, many people drink beer in the cafe and it’s not visible that everyone would stand up.

            Plus, a very large part in the east argues that if the saviors did not come, then the army would not have bombed them. Go to the Donetsk forums, they don’t need Russians there and what other soldiers, they were all happy. A very small percentage of the population supports militias.
          2. +2
            24 July 2014 12: 37
            Quote: Vladimirets
            in fact, many people drink beer in the cafe and it’s not visible that everyone would stand up.
            So those who didn’t sit in a cafe with a glass of beer rose up to defend Novorossia, who are offended by the power and words.
            1. +4
              24 July 2014 13: 02
              Quote: Per se.
              So those who didn’t sit in a cafe with a glass of beer rose up to defend Novorossia, who are offended by the power and words.

              But there are just very few of them, the rest think that it’s so good or nevermind in which country to live. Why save the lives of their soldiers to those who do not want this on their own?
              1. 0
                24 July 2014 20: 42
                Quote: Vladimirets
                Why save the lives of their soldiers to those who do not want this on their own?
                Then, “what is needed is not the dead, this is needed by the living,” this is a matter of life and death of Russia. Otherwise, what would be the same USA, and, after all, suki, plugs are crawling into all holes. Do not think about the wretched philosophy of the townsfolk, I assure you, God forbid, and trouble with Russia, such "insects" in a cafe with a mug of beer, we also have a lot. Why should they fight, they are consumers, they feel good anyway ... We need to think about Russia, about our national interests, about truth and justice, including how to raise patriotism, but you cannot raise it with indecisive chewing of snot and muddy morality.
      2. Rusi dolaze
        +1
        24 July 2014 11: 25
        No, the border has probably already been crossed ... Like ... I’m writing to you, mom, from a burning tank ...
    2. Vik.Tor
      +1
      24 July 2014 09: 38
      For some reason, it’s cheaper for us to accept refugees than to help Novorossia fight off fascism (I’m not talking about sending troops), they themselves shout that healthy foreheads are unwilling to fight to us and we themselves accept them, where we will give the logic and refugee status, I understand that not only they, but not being an economist, you can guess what time it will rise, whether it is cheaper to help the militias.
      1. +12
        24 July 2014 10: 18
        But does our country do little? Europe is beginning to see clearly - this is our help,
        and who wants to fight - the road is open, forward from the sofa to the trenches!

        War will go on as long as there is ideological support for it.
        First thought - then action. Putin is forcing Europe to rethink what is happening.
        The junta of support will be lost - and there will be no war or junta ...
        1. +1
          24 July 2014 14: 51
          Quote: Boris55
          The junta of support will be lost - and there will be no war or junta ...

          Having invested in the Maidan from ten to fifteen billion in the hope of getting several orders of magnitude more, MATTRESSES will not stop! They need any, I repeat: In any way, not only to recoup the investment, but to save their economy, as they like to say "ass" from the incredible crisis of the world OWNER! EVERYONE IS CLEAR FOR A LONG TIME !!!
      2. 0
        24 July 2014 14: 03
        and no one closes the road to the militia, if this is really your position in life ...
    3. +8
      24 July 2014 11: 27
      Quote: Snake831
      Yes, yes! That's right! And let our aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, grandparents die under fire! And we are Russians, our hut on the edge, we have our own country, and you have your own! Sorry, but such things! So if you judge, all people are brothers. So, now to fight for everyone? Friendship and kinship are certainly cool and cool, but only as long as everything is good! Is it true? Hide yourself, hide behind ... Cover your eyes with everyone, with your reasonable arguments Throwing relatives is not right. It's not right, guys.

      Stop the tantrum! Reread your comment again. Only emotions. Except for naked emotions - not a single reasonable argument. You see the situation from your "bell tower", and the President - from his. Whose "bell tower" is higher, I think, is not worth speculating. The article is ABSOLUTELY correct with "reasonable reasons". This has been said many times. "Throwing relatives ..." - you can't. If you have relatives there, go and protect them, as the militia do. And do not call on V.Putin to send the Russian Armed Forces to another country to die for your "relatives". Russia has done and is doing everything possible and impossible to keep the underworld with a human face. All life is born in pain. Ukraine itself must go through the "birth pangs" as a viable state in order to preserve its life or die.
    4. 0
      24 July 2014 13: 17
      So who the fuck is your EU flag under the profile picture of, you probably live in Geyrop and think about friendship and kinship?
      1. +1
        24 July 2014 17: 00
        Actually, I live in Belgorod. Mom from Ukraine, half of my childhood passed there. HHH I cheat here, most. However, this is expected. To convince anyone here is a futile task. Good luck to all of you guys. God grant health to you. Consider further from the point of view of political and economic expediency and you will be happy.
    5. 0
      24 July 2014 14: 33
      Quote: Snake831
      ! So if you judge, all people are brothers

      You are not my brother to me! Brother to you Obama! And generally descended from farrowing!
      1. 0
        24 July 2014 16: 43
        Imbecile! Smart write something, a microbe.
    6. old man 72
      0
      25 July 2014 02: 06
      Snake831 But what would you do if your relative shit in your pot with a rich soup ??? There is an idiological war and WE are winning it, it makes no sense to send troops so that our children die, and Russia provides all possible assistance, otherwise the DPR and LPR did not oppose the Ukrofascists so successfully. A little messy, but I think you will understand.
  12. Alexander67
    +13
    24 July 2014 09: 17
    The article is good, there is something to think about. But only if the militia is crushed, we will get a NATO bridgehead close by and the Americans will install a missile defense system there. This is clear as God's day. So, although we live in Russia, we must also think about tomorrow. The GDP understands this very well, and preventive strikes (a worthy response to the shelling of the Russian border villages) are extremely necessary, both from the point of view of the security of the Russian borders and the help of militia fighters.
    Yes, and you were in the Jewish Autonomous Okrug (Birobidzhan, for information)? If you notice, then there is not a single poor and destitute Jew. This is for example what they want in Israel.
    And I know about the war firsthand (Afghanistan. Shindad, Jalalobad), a lot of shooting happened. There was a hospital and a long rehabilitation. And if necessary, we must fight. Want peace, get ready for war.
    But basically I agree with the author (not completely).
    1. +3
      24 July 2014 09: 27
      A little off topic, but do not copy the author’s mistake. There is no Jewish Autonomous Okrug in Russia. Birobidzhan is the administrative center of the Jewish Autonomous Region. It sounds similar, but there are still differences in status.
    2. 0
      24 July 2014 10: 02
      Quote: Alexander67
      preventive strikes (a worthy response to shelling of Russian border villages) are urgently needed

      By the way, after Lavrov’s claim of the right to retaliate punches, was there any violation?
      1. ed65b
        +1
        24 July 2014 19: 10
        Quote: Anper
        Quote: Alexander67
        preventive strikes (a worthy response to shelling of Russian border villages) are urgently needed

        By the way, after Lavrov’s claim of the right to retaliate punches, was there any violation?

        There were. Hammering in a quiet, but ours do not answer because the Ukrainians are squeezed, between the militia, Ukraine and our distance of 1 km. and maybe it's militia mines.
    3. Alexlt
      0
      27 July 2014 14: 30
      "Yes, and you were in the Jewish Autonomous Okrug" - and you? :) Not, seriously - what does it have to do with it?
  13. ed65b
    -10
    24 July 2014 09: 18
    rave. minus bold. thirst for claudia can’t be reached, otherwise I would have developed a thought.
    1. +1
      24 July 2014 14: 00
      no, you really get there, I want to discuss in detail why nonsense? argue ... it's easier to shout nonsense (uropa from the United States are doing this "we don't know exactly who shot the plane, but we definitely hope it's Russia ...) without giving any evidence, cutting off any possibility of a dispute and finding out the truth ...
      1. ed65b
        +3
        24 July 2014 17: 39
        I’ll say one thing for now, there’s nothing pi ... if you don’t answer for words. That's all. The very darkest one was ill and surrendered back. So that the uriapatriots, and the approvers, are the blood of Novorosia and on your hands. How long is the steering wheel? All the money in the head gas, kvass, oil, And who is the ambassador? Zubirishvili is a loser, and is it in a country for which they now, as they say, are ready to fight with the whole world? or not? Late to drink Borjomi if the kidneys fell off. 23 years all the leadership of Ukraine licked in the ass and what? Now we read the opuses, with flies and Kiev cutlets. But essentially what? They planted it on the glands. Now wrap around Russia under the guidance of the Most Wise and Great. And the dead civilians are not even Ukrainians but Russians? You go go to the family of an innocently murdered man near Rostov and his four children explain, do you think they will understand? eyes will scratch. So Zhenek, will you go?
        And lastly, I pray to God that Novorossia would not merge since Crimea will be next with all the consequences.
  14. mingalev
    -3
    24 July 2014 09: 19
    Much is true. It is also true that with the loss of trade with Ukraine, Russia is also losing a lot. But, the decision was made, and it was made even before the entry of Crimea. And this decision is only the Crimea! And I support him. If we take the regions of Ukraine, then only Dnepropetrovsk makes sense. The rest is ballast. Still, the economy must be a decisive factor.
    1. 0
      24 July 2014 13: 54
      economists damn ... economists have no place in geopolitics (take the example of the United States wherever they fit (and they have the economy above all, because such a state debt) flies from cutlets always come out.)
    2. Alexlt
      0
      27 July 2014 14: 38
      mingalev, Kharkov is not a pity? And Motor-SICH (Zaporizhzhya design bureaus and aircraft engine plant)? UP TO 10% of the components of Russia's air defense (electronics) in half tariffs Donetsk and Lviv. So what do we need there?
  15. +10
    24 July 2014 09: 20
    What shameless Putin is all the same, - makes the State Department suck out the reasons for sanctions from the finger, although after the report of the US intelligence about the non-involvement of Russia, they will have to suck ... to regain their "image".
    1. +1
      24 July 2014 14: 56
      Well said! What a shameless, ah, me, yay!
  16. +9
    24 July 2014 09: 20
    I agree with the author in everything, except perhaps one and in my opinion the main thing. Not everything in this world is subject to economic and political expediency and calculation! Ukrainians are different! There are nonhumans in the literal sense of the word nourished by hatred and lost, or maybe not having a human face! There is relatively amorphous Kiev - the central part of the desiccants! There is a Russian east! These are not brothers this is OUR! Yes, the introduction of troops in its direct sense, at least right now, is not needed. But comprehensive assistance should be provided in full! I emphasize ALL-SIDED! Not everything is given to man to know, but much is given to feel! In New Russia, the future of a large Russia is largely decided. This should be aware of every Russian person!
    1. -2
      24 July 2014 10: 44
      From Russia in Ukraine, not only in the SEI, it depends on how Russia will be considered (not related, by x --- how it will be treated)
  17. djtyysq
    +8
    24 July 2014 09: 20
    Quote: Starfish
    let the Russians slaughter in Novorossia - and spit on them, they are not Russians.



    Do you suggest "" Hurray, to attack? "
  18. +9
    24 July 2014 09: 21
    Troops cannot be brought in, but Novorossia needs to be helped with weapons and volunteers. Nobody canceled sanctions anyway.
    1. Raph71rus
      0
      25 July 2014 19: 47
      There are already enough armed volunteers from Russia there, but something else surprises me - why are the locals so reluctant to take up arms, because in any case they will have to fight, only on whose side? Mobilization in the territories occupied by the junta has already proved this.
  19. +6
    24 July 2014 09: 22
    From the point of view of logic, an explanatory article, but for some reason emotions require completely different cutlets and completely different flies.
    1. +1
      24 July 2014 09: 27
      Emotion, of course, is a good thing, but I'm afraid that in this situation emotions alone cannot solve the problem.
    2. +1
      24 July 2014 19: 47
      Quote: MooH
      From the point of view of logic, an explanatory article, but for some reason emotions require completely different cutlets and completely different flies.

      Logic is a manifestation of the Human Mind. Emotions are a manifestation of his animal (biological) principle. One must, nevertheless, try to be a man.
  20. +8
    24 July 2014 09: 23
    Quote: Horly
    Another ode to the idolater!

    Do not like the idol?
    Your right ... but few people are interested in personal emotions anywhere.
    On merits what is wrong with the article?
    Or there are wise, competent thoughts: to fight, to mobilize, a vigorous bomb for everyone (and for oneself so as not to suffer). How to? Announce the entire list, please. wink
    1. +2
      24 July 2014 16: 08
      Quote: Alekseev
      Troops cannot be brought in, but Novorossia needs to be helped with weapons and volunteers. Nobody canceled sanctions anyway.

      Russia, of course, helps - but in such a casual way that it is impossible to catch a hand with facts. After all, the United States also plays for the Kiev illegitimate regime - and they play much more clumsy and more obvious, their participation is carefully documented. Have you forgotten about the captured CIA curator? The United States will refuse him, of course - but he knows so much and will sing so much that it is unlikely that he will pass him off as an initiative. It is no coincidence that the United States had to reduce the use of Academi fighters and urgently pull up the Poles.
      In the Southeast, there is everything to protect their own population and the complete destruction or expulsion of soldiers of the junta and the National Guard with lawyers ... ... except for the desire of the population to do this ...
      And either everyone will understand that they need to take up arms and defend their right to life, or they will sweep away that handful of patriots, and the rest will be hanged a little later and in turn ...

      Hohlon population is too large. It’s too tough for us. But, as you know, every tricky nut has its own bolt. In this case, it is an economy. I doubt that Europe or the United States will take on the maintenance of all 40 million of the local population. Moreover, the attitude of this population is such that the last Selyuk wants to live at the level of a German engineer, while remaining a Selyuk. Having entered the economic blockade with the hands of the ukrov themselves, which is happening now, in the very near future, part of the population, 20–25 percent, will nevertheless begin to think sensibly. And only after that, after the closure of the bulk of production in the East, it will be possible to make plans for the creation of New Russia and some kind of its association with the Russian Federation. But not before. Now, when the population of the same Donbass calls volunteers Colorado, as ukroSMI, trying to appeal to logic is pointless. Alas, without medical fasting, nothing will come of it.
  21. +5
    24 July 2014 09: 27
    normally the author wrote it is necessary to help but not soldiers but who wants to help himself
  22. +7
    24 July 2014 09: 28
    At 99% I agree with the author !!! One of the most robust articles recently on the site.
  23. PN
    +9
    24 July 2014 09: 28
    Yesterday, in the media, there was infa that the international red cross recognized what was happening in Ukra as a civil war! And this means that restrictions are imposed on its implementation (not to bomb schools, hospitals, etc.), otherwise everything that happens will be regarded as a war crime. Who has more info, lay out.
    1. +1
      24 July 2014 11: 56
      It's true. I just admitted it. Not at the official level - there was no loud official statement. Thus, the leaders of Ukraine and Russia were informed. Some bashful "get-together".
  24. +3
    24 July 2014 09: 29
    in the event that Ukraine goes to am, NO TOTAL POSSIBLE HELP, WE SHOULD ALWAYS CHANGE THE POWER IN KIEV, OTHERWISE NO! EVERYTHING ! in our opinion, we annexed Crimea, we attacked Ukraine, we fight in the South-East Military District - we are all enemies for them, and until we change power, the rhetoric of this power will be useless --- WE ARE NOW AND VERY LONG FOR THEM
  25. 0
    24 July 2014 09: 31
    Putin is the president of Russia, and he must defend the interests of Russians,
    I do not argue, but so far the junta is in power, a united Ukraine, Russia does not need .. cynically of course ..
  26. +21
    24 July 2014 09: 32
    What does Rottenberg have to do with it? The author presented his position in a coherent and competent manner. The militias who are fighting for their freedom cannot but arouse the admiration of any normal person, but about 7 million people live in the South-East. How many of them are militias? And the rest? And the rest FSUs. When shells start falling on their heads, they also blame the same militias for this. Like you wouldn't be here and we wouldn't get it! In this flaky pie, only the Russian army was missing! A hundred times the GDP is right! Morally, technically, volunteers, weapons and humanitarian aid need to be supported, but getting in with the army is not. Our country is strong, but unfortunately not very rich. A full-fledged military operation will cost the country a pretty penny. We will pay for this, including you and me (sorry for the familiarity). The dashing nineties with the Chechen wars do not give rest? Personally, I don't want to repeat this situation at all. Fought over. They will climb to us - here God himself ordered to harness, and for the "brothers" who for 23 years they called me nothing but "k.ac.ap." and "m.s.s.k.a.l.l." ....
    1. +1
      24 July 2014 09: 37
      Very objective assessment. You are a plus from me.
    2. +5
      24 July 2014 12: 28
      I agree with the author of the article and the author of the comment. Brothers still need to be sorted out. But for those who want to fight for New Russia: where is this Novorossia? There are the DPR and LPR, as mentioned above, they did not unite in the People’s Republic of Novorossia. It wasn’t. It means that something has not yet joined up with them, there is no complete unity, it was not at all clear before the dog how Strelkov came to Donetsk.
      And the second about the multimillion population of the bombed Southeast. Where are the outraged tens of thousands of volunteer volunteers who voted for independence and freedom? Tired of being interested in harsh miners.
      And as for idolatry, we chose President Vladimir V. Putin, the supreme commander in chief. So it means that they entrusted command and the right to strategic decisions in our, Russian interests and in the interests of Russians to EMU. And this is not idolatry, but trust, to carry out His work.
      We (Russia) do not need the territory of Ukraine. But we need people, qualified and healthy, with our vast territory and the only shortage of human resources. And we are offered to recapture precisely the territory by introducing troops. Conquer the territories on which live healthy, mobilization age hundreds of thousands of healthy and strong men, and who themselves do not want to fight.
      We can protect the unfortunate, suffering people by accepting them from us and fulfilling our brotherly and human duty. We will give them a job, possibly housing, citizenship. Let them work, live, take root, and then they will become OUR FAMILY.
      And let the Russian soldiers do not perish on a foreign land in whose interests whatever.
  27. +8
    24 July 2014 09: 34
    He still made one mistake when he said - .... let them try ... and the fact that all available means will be used. Maybe he had something in mind, or there was simply a desire to raise the southeast, but nevertheless it turned out exactly what we have today. The fact that Putin is better informed than us is undeniable, and maybe everything actually goes according to the optimal scenario. But in any case, he is the supreme and there is no other, so it is up to him to decide, we can only express our opinion and help the militia as much as we can. The only thing annoying is that Yanukovych, Gaddafi, Gorbachev knew the same thing more than a simple commoner, but this ultimately led to the collapse. So we will hope for the best, but we need to prepare for the worst. In any case, there is confidence that in the end we will win, though the price of victory may not be comforting - but still, the victory will be ours
  28. +1
    24 July 2014 09: 34
    Quote: zao74
    They are not abandoned by anyone, we help everyone we can (and cannot). They are Ukrainians and must win their freedom with arms in hand, and if "my heart is bleeding," I can help get there.

    I agree! We can help without the army, we can help with the army, but if you send in the troops now, it may not have a very good effect on Russia, but Russia is still important dill for us!
  29. +4
    24 July 2014 09: 35
    In addition to the laws of the United States, the laws of nature and, in particular, the development of society exist in themselves. This is objective and independent of us. Any opposition to these laws also causes cataclysms in society with known consequences. The dilemma virus launched into the consciousness - it is better to be rich and happy than beggar and sick, destroys this consciousness. Wealth is the mind from God, not the amount of money. The desire for unrestrained profit is a sign of mental (mental) illness. For those who believe that everything is possible for money, begin to realize themselves as God on Earth and remake the World at their own discretion. Well, isn't it paranoia? The same Obama is a vivid adherent of these paranoid people. Smaller "Gods", like the Kolomoisky, are rebuilding the World in Ukraine, strictly observing this "divine" hierochey. But the world order is changing and goes on as usual, raising a new, young growth, capable of crushing the dying one. We live in interesting times, no matter what!
  30. +7
    24 July 2014 09: 40
    Great article! Everything is short, on the shelves and not without irony! The way it turned out with Crimea is the highest skill of our leadership! This has not happened for a long time, or even never existed! Well, I agree that this is purely inside the Ukrainian showdown. But I do not think that we should remain indifferent. It’s not necessary for our soldiers to climb there, but there are other methods of influence and influence.
  31. +1
    24 July 2014 09: 41
    I read the article and it seemed that I had already read this on the pages of the site.
  32. +7
    24 July 2014 09: 44
    Pavel Gubarev
    Dear friends! Dear compatriots! Dear brothers in arms, volunteers! Replenishment detachments from fraternal Slavic countries and other states come to us every day. The mobilization department appeals to those who are just about to arrive in Novorossiya. We have certain equipment problems. Unfortunately local warehouses are empty. Humanitarian aid is delivered to us every day, but now there are significantly more "recruits" than we can put on and put on. For this reason, we appeal to you, our brothers in arms. Moreover, we appeal to all social movements representing your cities - help the volunteers equip themselves and get safely to the collection point. A set of uniforms - "figure", ankle boots, a backpack, several sets of T-shirts, socks, an officer's belt, a radio station, unloading, armor (grade 4-5), elbow pads, knee pads, a good flashlight, a flask, etc. Together we will turn the head of an ukrofashist bastard. Slavs - together!

    There is someone to fight and weapons too ... (the State Department complains that over the past week the flow of aid (of all) to Novorossia has increased significantly) ... So I hope we can do without columns of armored vehicles (at least for now ..) The junta will fall!
  33. tokin1959
    -11
    24 July 2014 09: 45
    the leadership and citizens of the DPR and LPR repeatedly appealed for help to the leadership of Russia.
    The Russian leadership does not seem to notice these appeals.
    conclusion from the article - let the Russians be killed in the east of Urkaina and further, our hut from the edge, I don’t know anything.
    minus.
    Another little article in support of traitors.
  34. -7
    24 July 2014 09: 46
    "In addition, Russia occupied Crimea from an economic point of view, since paying for the lease of the Black Sea Fleet base is more expensive than maintaining the entire Crimea"

    This phrase alone confirms the conclusion that the article is not worth the time spent reading it. Before issuing such "pearls", the author could at least find out how much Russia paid for the fleet and compare, at least with the cost of the bridge across the Kerch Strait or with the funds that are allocated for pensions to elderly Crimeans. These costs themselves, in my opinion, are justified, but they are simply incomparable with the size of the fleet base lease.
    1. Wagron
      +6
      24 July 2014 10: 30
      The fact that now our fleet is in Sevastopol, and not the American fleet (which the Yankees relied on) covers all future expenses. If it were the other way around, it would be a tragedy.
  35. +1
    24 July 2014 09: 46
    Now not only Russia, but the whole world is split in two. Everyone wonders whether or not Russia will introduce troops? If introduced, then this event will determine the trend of world politics for the entire 21st century. If you do not, then the consequences of this will also be felt throughout the 21st century. In favor of this or that event, many excellent arguments can be made. I am afraid that Russia has acted correctly or not, domestic historians will discuss in the 22nd century, if then domestic historians will exist as a concept.
    1. 0
      24 July 2014 16: 23
      Quote: Jurkovs
      if then there will be domestic historians as a concept.

      Is this a key phrase?
  36. +3
    24 July 2014 09: 46
    I agree, the objective picture is briefly and clearly given.
  37. +6
    24 July 2014 09: 48
    Quote: Giant thought
    Surrender of all Ukraine to mattresses will be our strategic mistake, now we are fighting for Ukraine, and God forbid, so as not to lose.

    Well, what does "surrender" mean ?! Yes, only after going through this "surrender" Ukrainians will understand (those that remain) who their brother is. and who is the enemy. Persuasion will not help here, they need to survive it ... Do not forget that the attitude of the bulk of the population of Ukraine is against Russia. And the United States will quickly teach them to "love their homeland"!
    1. +4
      24 July 2014 10: 58
      Quote: Johnny51
      STI population of Ukraine - against

      zombie people, these urops .... I’m calling my relatives, and they are sending them ..... I’m good at what’s the matter, and they are telling me urino propaganda, word for word ...

      reports from the fronts ....


      9-30, Ukro-media disseminate information that the militias are active near n. the village of Amvrosievka. Also in this area, a BRDM-2 of the Ukrainian army was blown up by a radio-controlled land mine (data on losses are being specified). Also, the positions of the junta forces near N of the item were fired twice. Ilyinka (DPR), in addition, from the MLRS "Grad" militias fired at the positions of the Ukrainian army on the territory of the Luhansk airport and near n. Kamyshnoe (LPR), from BM-21 "Grad" - near n. the village of Berezovo. From mortars - near n. the village of Avdeevka. Small arms fired at the checkpoints of the junta near n. Severodonetsk and Smolyaninovo (LPR).
      10-10, Message from Strelkova:
      The 4 I company of the 3 Semenov Infantry Battalion reported on the capture of the damaged BRDM in Blagodatnoye. The gracious remains for us, we will put the BRDM into operation

      клик
    2. +1
      24 July 2014 11: 07
      on the border with Russia, near the villages of Marinovka and Dubrovka, fighting continued ...

      2-07, Near Marinovka and Dubrovka, battles continue to the present. Our artillery strikes at positions and accumulations of manpower and equipment. Near the terminal "Marinovka", near the settlement Battering rams and near Grigorovka - numerous fires - vehicles and ukrov armor are on fire. Enemy artillery fire is almost suppressed.

      клик
      1. 0
        24 July 2014 11: 11
        2-41, Donbass. Militia tanks fire at enemy clusters 23.07.2014


        Scavenger-Hyena-like Dogs ---- 3-37, Hungry Ukrainian soldiers eat snakes, hedgehogs and other animals in the field
        1. 0
          24 July 2014 11: 18
          4-22, Local residents saw military aircraft on the day of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing


          5-30, Kievans are asking to save the 79 junta brigade. According to picketers from the 79th brigade, from 100 to 400 people were destroyed .---A WE ASK, COMRADE STRELKOV I.I. ... TO DROP THE 79-UR brigade of the army’s urino into the EARTH !!!!!
    3. Vik.Tor
      -1
      24 July 2014 12: 18
      According to your logic, the militias in Novorossiya must understand and accept this, as you say, "surrender." Maybe their states will teach to love their homeland. You are a respected nonsense, and the most offensive thing is that you say it categorically.
  38. kirs
    +1
    24 July 2014 09: 48
    I would like to believe in it. But hardly everything is so rosy ...
  39. 0
    24 July 2014 09: 50
    Everything would be fine. But the DOU has the property of wandering and increasing in volume! And when it overflows, it will float to us, including through the Crimea. What then will be the speeches? Will we not have to gnaw this "trumpet bone"?
    1. 0
      24 July 2014 15: 23
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Will we not have to gnaw this "trumpet bone"?

      don't have to! The isthmus there is narrowish for all this shit ... Yes, and the preventive barrier in the form of a small blow, because we are on our territory, and they will only be preparing ... will not be superfluous!
  40. djtyysq
    +5
    24 July 2014 09: 50
    Quote: Oper
    Yes, the introduction of troops in its direct sense, at least right now, is not needed. But comprehensive assistance should be provided in full! I emphasize ALL-SIDED! Not everything is given to man to know, but much is given to feel! In New Russia, the future of a large Russia is largely decided. This should be aware of every Russian person!


    That's right, just HELP. But do not get involved yourself. Plus.
  41. +5
    24 July 2014 09: 50
    Haste is needed only when catching fleas laughing Do not rush to conclusions, actions. But one should not lose sight of the course of events. Of course, the situation in Ukraine can not be compared with South Ossetia, where Russian troops entered even later than necessary, and the organization was not at the highest level, but this is so, by the way.
    And to send troops to Ukraine? I personally think it’s hardly possible. Help without the introduction of troops only if. on the sly. How not cool Ukraine "state" "independent" and be like the United States is hardly worth it. then the world will be full of bedlam.
  42. +26
    24 July 2014 09: 50
    again, guys, don’t go to Ukraine openly .... help covertly with weapons by providing so on .... believe me here we can deal with neo-Nazis ourselves .. yes, they themselves have already grabbed each other’s throats .... you protect yourself, the stronger you are, the faster we will remove this Kiev junta.
    1. +4
      24 July 2014 12: 40
      Quote: sullen fin
      ..you protect yourself, the stronger you are, the faster we will remove this Kiev junta.


      Immediately obvious, reasonable Man.
    2. +3
      24 July 2014 13: 49
      bravo, these are the words of a man. and thinking
    3. 0
      24 July 2014 23: 44
      Life shows: making an enemy a friend is more important than killing an enemy.
      The old rule: you can’t kill a dragon, otherwise the dragon that killed him becomes a dragon.
      And everything goes to that (and it’s clear from semaphores on our part) that Putin gives the powder the opportunity to turn to Russia for help.
  43. +7
    24 July 2014 09: 51
    I remember when, at the end of 1994, we, nineteen-year-old boys, were thrown to storm Grozny. As we perished in hundreds, young, unfired. But of those who survived, everything went through and drank his cup to the end, men turned out. Personally, after that I decided to devote myself to serving the Motherland and radically changed my life, which I do not regret, although everything happened in life.

    Thank you with respect for your path.
    But my opinion is that for Ukraine it’s not worth shedding the blood of Russian soldiers, a lot of it has been shed. Now, of course, sofa strategists will start throwing stones at me. Well, everyone has their own point of view. But personally I feel sorry for the Russian soldier, I myself was them. I am opposed to our guys dying for the freedom of others. Ukrainians themselves must defend their freedom, this is their internal affair

    I agree and fully support it. He wrote this repeatedly. Yes, let them throw, you can’t throw a stone away from the sofa laughing
    It is possible that the Americans will get the Kiev cutlet in Kiev, but the original recipe in this cutlet has a tubular bone, if you don’t know, you can choke.

    Very good analogy.
  44. DPZ
    -9
    24 July 2014 09: 51
    Putin is the president of Russia, and he must defend the interests of Russians
    most Russians are worried about the events in the south-east of hohland. sleep poorly, are in a nervous tension, undermining health, because all diseases are from nerves. because we are Russian, we tend to worry about loved ones, and Yu-V, whatever one may say, is practically our kin.
    therefore, upholding the interests of the SE, helping the SE Putin defends the interests of the Russians! and getting rid of the problem, accordingly, he spits on the interests of his subjects !!!
    1. 0
      24 July 2014 13: 48
      Sorry, but speed is important only when catching fleas and diarrhea, we have all seen ill-conceived policies and answers (how Ukrainians from the USA reported for the downed Boeing by showing the world so many blunders), and then ask the mothers of their subjects if they are ready to give their sons to protect someone else’s territory? Pride in the country? that's just at whose expense the banquet? sitting in front of the computer and proud of how cool we are and are not afraid of anything? Or will you go to war? and now no one bothers going to volunteers - this is your position in life and that’s it. sovereign people should think and not play chess while exchanging a pawn ...
      1. ed65b
        -1
        24 July 2014 17: 59
        Quote: LevITon
        Sorry, but speed is important only when catching fleas and diarrhea, we have all seen ill-conceived policies and answers (how Ukrainians from the USA reported for the downed Boeing by showing the world so many blunders), and then ask the mothers of their subjects if they are ready to give their sons to protect someone else’s territory? Pride in the country? that's just at whose expense the banquet? sitting in front of the computer and proud of how cool we are and are not afraid of anything? Or will you go to war? and now no one bothers going to volunteers - this is your position in life and that’s it. sovereign people should think and not play chess while exchanging a pawn ...

        You, the Native one, have not yet understood that there are no more brothers and relatives there, there are 40 million people who hate you. where do you live? I'm 20 km from Kharkov. And every day of peaceful killings in the Donbas makes those who hate Russia, Russians and Putin even more. As the woman in Lugansk said, leave the Russians, take your Rifle Beards and all the rest. Why did Putin stir us up and leave us? No one demands the introduction of troops, you really need just an ultimatum to Kiev about the beginning of the recognition of Novorosia in the event that the hostilities do not stop. And don’t put pressure on people, or are you already sitting in a trench near Donetsk? And if on the sofa behind the clave it’s not a balabol. Nerd, with a bluff warrior.
  45. +6
    24 July 2014 09: 52
    Good article. It only remains to wait for the United States of America to choke on this Kiev patty.
  46. vikto
    +2
    24 July 2014 09: 53
    Everything is business and intelligible!
  47. +6
    24 July 2014 10: 00
    From the point of view of geopolitics, everything is correct. The only but: From the article: "It was already written here that Ukraine, for what it has allowed to do with itself for more than 20 years, should drink the cup of shame to the dregs. It should go through purgatory, which we once went through. . " - I served enough in the Russian army (including in the 90s) and will never wish the residents of Novorossia what was happening in Chechnya, Yugoslavia and other "purgatory". Believe in the military administration of our country (in contrast to the General Staff of Ukraine, where posts are distributed apparently on the principle of who rode higher on the Maidan) there are enough sober people who can understand that the number of victims cannot be increased by an order of magnitude by spontaneous decisions. The standard of action is March 2014, Crimea. Here the picture is different, you need a powerful support of foreign policy actions, unfortunately this is the time, but in a different way, to spoil everything and ruin people.
    1. +1
      24 July 2014 13: 41
      As the saying goes, the dish needs to be served on preparedness ....
    2. xana usa
      0
      26 July 2014 16: 50
      YES in our in the RUSSIAN army there is no perfection, but he served in it and I hope that he believes in the ARMY
  48. +9
    24 July 2014 10: 06
    Let's wait until the cutlet is ready. While the GDP is chemical, I’m sure of it, but still wait ... And his recipe is interesting. Let's wait, before that, everything turned out deliciously for him
    1. Miss N
      +1
      24 July 2014 13: 17
      5 points per comment !!!
    2. 0
      24 July 2014 23: 49
      a dish is being prepared to turn the enemy into an ally - otherwise everything does not make sense.
  49. Vladimir I
    -19
    24 July 2014 10: 06
    “I remember when, at the end of 1994, we, nineteen-year-old boys, were thrown to storm Grozny. How we died in hundreds, young, not shot.”

    You were pushed and thrown in 1994, others were beautifully pushed and thrown in 2014.
    What has changed?
    Really for 20 years you still have not grown wiser.
    1. +2
      24 July 2014 13: 37
      He, just wiser, it is enough to step on a rake once, than to put on a helmet and rush at it again.
    2. +1
      24 July 2014 15: 06
      Now fathers and grandfathers took machine guns, from whom Ukrainians stole with the help of foolish propaganda of children ...
    3. 0
      24 July 2014 22: 49
      Really for 20 years you still have not grown wiser.
      ___________
      Vladimir I, why are you switching to the personality of the author of the article.
    4. 0
      25 July 2014 13: 59
      Sitting on the couch, drinking beer chips, you can intelligently reason. I know for sure that the Russian boys died not in vain. They defended the integrity of the country. National top managers watched with interest the development of the situation and waited for the moment to declare their sovereignty in order to secede from Russia. But then Putin came and put everything in its place.
      1. xana usa
        0
        26 July 2014 16: 39
        --- Dies for the MOTHERLAND IS NOT A SHAME BUT HONOR died and die for no one or anything
    5. Alexlt
      0
      27 July 2014 15: 37
      Vladimir I, do you understand who you turned to? Yesilnet, then you are a goat. If so, then the Goat!
  50. +3
    24 July 2014 10: 07
    Quote: tokin1959
    Another little article in support of traitors.


    Any person can be easily accused of betrayal, you need to be careful in words, you won’t spar a word, you won’t fly out, the author is one hundred percent right, dear Alexander, than accusing other people of betrayal is it better to describe how you acted if you had such an opportunity , and we will listen to you with zeal.
    1. Alexlt
      0
      27 July 2014 16: 37
      Call it "doused and thrown" - horseradish radish is no sweeter.
      1. In late February - early March, mass rallies were held across the country under the slogans "Hands off Ukraine" (and Crimea), "Fascism will not pass", "We will not surrender our own." My wife and I did not go there "at the request", but because we wanted and considered it very important. The rest too, as far as I could see.
      2. In early April, Uncle Pu made unambiguous statements about the possible use of heavy weapons (yes, just the army!) By the Kuevs in Donbas. Above is a picture of this statement. Almost 2 months remained before the "presidential elections"!
      3. Crimea "became ours", and indeed as if by magic, at the same time boldly!
      4. And how after this not to accept a simple fact: the people of Donbass and many people from other regions of Ukraine believed that their back was covered not by anyone, but by Russia?
      5. And what does the return of the Crimea look like against the backdrop of Russia's behavior over the past two months? Squeeze - how to irrigate two fingers! Yes, very effective, because Crimea decided to leave. But Donbass decided, right?
      6. Hundreds of thousands of refugees flee to where? To Russia. This, for a moment, is not the Sahara and not even the Sinai Peninsula. Where will they live in the WINTER, what will they eat and what will they do? By the way, I have strong suspicions that Russia, incl. in the person of Uncle Pu, I really want to not only give these people shelter, but to give citizenship. Another very effective move in the interests of Russia, and just as cynical!
      So next to the word "squeezed out" now itself, and not by the will of ill-wishers, the word "used" is drawn. By whom? Antifascists in Ukraine and citizens of Russia. By and large, the essence of the already common phrase: "If you knew that you would not say B, why did you say A?"!
  51. djtyysq
    +4
    24 July 2014 10: 07
    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    Everything would be fine. But the DOU has the property of wandering and increasing in volume! And when it overflows, it will float to us, including through the Crimea. What then will be the speeches? Will we not have to gnaw this "trumpet bone"?



    But this is something else if the Ukrainians get into Crimea! This is already a declaration of war and then America will not help them! Russia will no longer be an aggressor, the RF Security Council clearly stated the integrity of Russia,
  52. +8
    24 July 2014 10: 08
    and also these guys are clowns from the airborne troops, on their flags they write NO ONE CRIMINATE US... smite them like we do here in Ukraine... this is the slogan of the Russian Airborne Forces... no one but us and higher only is the sky and steeper only are the mountains... Margelov He created these troops for the Russians.
    1. +2
      24 July 2014 13: 33
      Arrogance, hypocrisy, lies.... Of course, Vasily Margelov created the Airborne Forces to DEFEND the Motherland and its people. And what do these aero - what's it like? - troops know about HONOR. The same as the pig about oranges. For those who served in the Airborne Forces, it is sickening and painful to look at this...
  53. pink
    +2
    24 July 2014 10: 08
    http://www.e1.ru/news/spool/news_id-408544.html Вот взгляд на помощь изнутри.Здесь четко описано почему Украина должна очищаться сама.
  54. +2
    24 July 2014 10: 17
    Exactly, with justifications. "Green"!
  55. -6
    24 July 2014 10: 17
    The Jewish Autonomous Okrug held a referendum that was not agreed upon with anyone and announced its secession from Russia.
    An unfortunate example. How is it different from the scenario with Crimea?
  56. +1
    24 July 2014 10: 19
    Thanks to the author!
    That's right - the Ukrainian people themselves must understand a lot and learn not to allow themselves to be fooled.
    That's right - Putin is our President, and first of all he must protect the interests of Russia.
    Moreover, on what basis can he send in troops? It’s strange that such calls are heard at VO.
    It seems that Russia is helping Ukraine in a friendly way, and that’s right.
    Of course, there are diplomatic strategic steps to protect Russia from NATO bases and others.
    In any case, victory will be for the Russian World, for Pravda!
  57. -9
    24 July 2014 10: 20
    That's good, author of the article. But there is no need to shed blood in Ukraine and there is no need to desire this either. Because the first is directly related to the second. This war is far-fetched and artificial. In Russia, it was also possible to do without the Chechen battles. In any case, take the entire Russian and Russian-speaking population to greater Russia from the reprisals of the evil and predatory “chichas”. And it goes without saying that weapons from military units should not have been given to the “children of Ichkeria.” No one needed that bloodshed, except for those who replenished their own treasury. But in Ukraine, everything can be resolved simply - a dialogue begins, mutual fire ceases, the status quo of affiliations is maintained (as it has been for many decades). Ordinary people, who are the absolute majority, have completely different priorities than those who rule and those who love to fight - housing, work, a decent standard of living, full right to their native language (in this case, Russian). And not how their passports will be designed and what will be drawn and written on them. And the authorities must listen to all the claims of the region’s residents. All reasonable wishes must be granted. This is all achievable. Achievable without bloodshed. Everything else is speculation by extremists; they can come from any side. And please don’t lie that Russians and Russians are not considered brothers in Ukraine. They think everyone is normal, the majority of them are residents. You also put “brothers” in quotes. You start counting nuclear salvoes. You are a scoundrel, Alyosha Orlov, and nothing more.
    1. +1
      24 July 2014 13: 38
      Go to the 3D movie theaters, Clemens boy, and eat some popcorn. And speak out less on sites like VO, where you need to think. Better yet, don’t say anything at all, remembering the Russian proverb: “Don’t open your mouth, you’ll pass for...!”
      1. -3
        24 July 2014 15: 53
        Quote: tasey
        tasey (1) Today, 13:38 ↑
        Go to the 3D movie theaters, Clemens boy, and eat some popcorn. And speak out less on sites like VO, where you need to think. Better yet, don’t say anything at all, remembering the Russian proverb: “Don’t open your mouth, you’ll pass for...!”


        Yes, you're right Georgy. Apparently, I had nothing to do here from the very beginning, at your VO. The audience is specific, you can’t call it normal. There are too many preoccupied idiots here, much more than sensible ones. A striking example is you, Zhora. He grunted a mysterious phrase: “Don’t open your mouth, you’ll pass for...!” But he himself never said anything, neither smart nor bad. Popcorn and 3D cinema have dried out those brains that were present in your cauldron from birth.
  58. +5
    24 July 2014 10: 21
    But no one says that we don’t care what happens in Ukraine (that’s what we’re counting on)! All the rhetoric of Trupchinov, Lyazhko, Yaitsenyukh is such that you want to punch him in the face! Novorossiya is bleeding! And we, the victorious country, no longer have enough patience to wage a diplomatic war, listen to the insane squeals of mentally retarded “deputies”! Apparently, this is the calculation. (“Ja. Seliwerstov2013” ​​says: “I believe you for now, Comrade Putin”) That’s it, for now. This is what we are worried about for now, that is, if we start mobilization, where will the people run - to Israel (there is a war there), to London (there are already plenty of ours there, they won’t take the rest without money)??? And here the Nemtsovs and Navalnys will call for surrender?!!!!! What, the picture is distorted? Yes, if the Motherland calls, I’ll take my military ID and go to the military registration and enlistment office! But this will already be 3 MV!!!! Will Britain and the US win again? I do not want it! I was lucky - two grandfathers returned from the Second World War, albeit disabled. From MV 3 there will be nowhere to return. There is only one way out - listen to Putin, it’s not evening yet!!!!!
  59. +8
    24 July 2014 10: 21
    While providing assistance and full support to our people in the east, we should not, however, go to the extreme of friendship of peoples and consider, and even worse, feel sorry for the poor, drugged Ukrainians! Those who have long remembered me here under the Ukrainian flag, I lived in Ukraine for 3.5 years and know what I’m talking about. It all didn’t start with the Maidan! Even during the elections to the Rada, when the fascists from freedom entered there! You see, they were voted for, and not only by Westerners... Lately I’ve been catching myself thinking that it’s not pleasant for me to say the word Kyiv, and even more unpleasant for the people of Kiev. No, of course I realize that there are enough decent people there, but... Dnepropetrovsk sits quietly near Kolomoisky! The south is silent - Kherson, Nikolaev... Tell me, 23-year-old propaganda?! Well, yes, well, yes... Only somewhere this propaganda was happily absorbed and these rotten grains fell on fertile soil, but in the Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk regions they were not allowed to germinate! This is all to say that we do not need to repeat the mistakes of the Union, in particular with Western Ukraine!
    1. zzz
      zzz
      0
      24 July 2014 14: 25
      Quote: Oper
      Lately I’ve been catching myself thinking that it’s not pleasant for me to say the word Kyiv, and even less pleasant are the people of Kiev. No, of course I realize that there are enough decent people there, but... Dnepropetrovsk sits quietly near Kolomoisky! The south is silent - Kherson, Nikolaev... Tell me, 23-year-old propaganda?! Well, yes, well, yes... Only somewhere this propaganda was happily absorbed and these rotten grains fell on fertile soil, but in the Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk regions they were not allowed to germinate!


      Well said! good I liked it++++++
  60. +4
    24 July 2014 10: 21
    The plan for exhausting the junta and not directly interfering is good, and I agree with the author, in this case the only correct one. But what will we do if Donetsk and Lugansk fall? Dill have brought up a lot of troops and are surrounding ours, encircling them due to superior forces? The Kyiv cutlet will really be eaten by the USA. Yes, we will build our southern stream and we will not need Ukrostan, but NATO will receive territory for bases (you don’t have to be a NATO member for this), and the United States for its missile defense system. Russia is next on the list of those attacked. I hope our Vladimir has a good plan to prevent the DPR and LPR from dying.
  61. shitovmg
    +1
    24 July 2014 10: 23
    Article +! And to those who are for the death of 18 Russian guys when troops were sent to Ukraine, I have a question: now you are not feeding Russia, you have been living for yourself for 23 years already, you have probably built the richest and fairest state. America has captured you, what did you think??? You also need to be able to defend yourself! Like blind kittens you look for the enemy, you poke your muzzle into everything!
  62. oish
    +3
    24 July 2014 10: 23
    Absolutely right - Ukraine ITSELF must defend its freedom like Donetsk and Lugansk, otherwise they are used to sitting on someone else’s neck with their legs dangling, hiding behind someone else’s back (like healthy men who run to Russia to ask for asylum) or hiding in the forests so as not to be mobilized and released their mothers to rallies, so that their mothers would protect them. Your copper - there are men there, that is, in general ....
  63. +5
    24 July 2014 10: 29
    Thanks to the author for the article. The main thing for Putin to think correctly here is not to succumb to emotions and make a mistake. After all, this is what everyone is trying to achieve, not only in the West, I think that China too, in order to bargain for preferences for itself. I don’t think that the GDP did not allow Syria to be torn to pieces and will easily merge Ukraine. It’s just that the circumstances are going like this for now. This is not a game on a PC where you can save and replay the situation, this is life and in the countries that oppose us they are investing incomparably huge resources to drive Putin into a corner. and if somewhere the West outplays us, then we should not throw Putin’s caps, but should consolidate (as was the case in Crimea) and begin further steps. And lastly, you should always remember history (unfortunately, they don’t pay enough attention to history in schools). Russia almost always retreats at the beginning but then wins. - these are the times of the HORDE and the war against the Swedes, Turks, Japanese, Germans and French. Those who came to us with war necessarily lost part of their territory, so the United States is afraid to directly conflict with Russia and does it through jackals (you never feel sorry for them)
  64. +4
    24 July 2014 10: 34
    svelto- you have everything written correctly, but you can’t do without war...the Nazis have lost too much of the Kiev and Western regions...and all because the Americans gave them the go-ahead, they say, do whatever you want, everything is green...their only good food.. .it will sober up and stop...we have a governor from Svoboda in Poltava...so all civil servants are forced to write explanatory notes about what they did in January February of this year, whether they took part in anti-Maidan protests or not...this reminds me of something. ....
  65. +3
    24 July 2014 10: 40
    I liked the article. Putin did not do what the overseas Jesuits and their pocket mongrels from Kyiv provoked him to do. They were already sore about “Russian aggression against the unfortunate Nenka”, they were so confident in the entry of the RF Armed Forces that they “ran ahead of the locomotive” with precisely such slogans. Where are the facts? But there are none! And there is no deployment of the RF Armed Forces and there is no “aggression”. What were they yelling? The Russian Soldier hasn’t even laid a finger on anyone yet, and he’s already in complete hysterics. Although no, there is one Russian Soldier (Strelkov), volunteers from Russia. Honor and Glory to them. But it's not massive.
    So those who like to “run ahead of the locomotive” should not do this. Throwing into a fight at the slightest provocation is a habit of the ukromaidan. And they end in tears.
    War is too expensive. Both human and material. Only one country pumped up resources and made money from two world wars - the USA. He intends to do the same again. A bad habit has already arisen. “He wants to make three rubles out of three kopecks. Nothing comes of it” (c). Thanks to Putin. So far they are only spending money on the war and are not shabby. They are spending overseas money (the junta doesn’t have any of its own). But war is like that. You need to clearly understand: how much will be spent, in what time frame and what will be received in return. It is cynical, but the interests of the State do not imply sentimentality. All wars in History were fought for economic interest or for power, which implies the former. The exception is war with the aggressor. But in the event of a direct invasion, Russia will find itself in the role of an aggressor.
  66. +1
    24 July 2014 10: 44
    The article is written competently, sensibly, everything is laid out on the shelves. Well done author. But on the other hand, you cannot just watch from the side how Russian and pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine are being destroyed. It is not necessary to send troops to Ukraine. Novorossiya must be helped with humanitarian and military supplies from Russia. But even this has not yet been done adequately, but it needs to be done. The militias are fighting not only for their home Novorossiya, but indirectly for Russia, this must be understood. I wish good luck to the militias.
  67. +1
    24 July 2014 10: 48
    I completely agree with the author of the article. Article +.
  68. yulka2980
    +6
    24 July 2014 10: 51
    Forgive me, but despite two Ukrainian grandmothers, I don’t feel any family connection with Ukraine. I’m already tired of reading about brothers who have gone astray! Isn’t it clear that Ukrainians want to be on their own, you won’t be nice by force stop
  69. +1
    24 July 2014 10: 53
    I agree with the author, the situation in Ukraine is developing in a way that its organizers (the State Department, the Bundestag and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland) did not plan. But the situation is not developing as Russia would like, now the militia forces are fighting for their Motherland and if they can hold out until the fall, they will live in Novorossiya as an independent and sovereign state. The Kiev junta cannot defeat the militia forces, since this is not possible in such a short time. Even if we allow a massive breakthrough of heavy equipment into the center of Donetsk and Lugansk, the militia forces will hold small areas of the DPR and LPR, so the “Nazis” allegedly took Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, but in these cities there remained “hotbeds” of resistance (sabotage groups). The EU and the USA do not need Ukraine, they don’t care what the state and its citizens will be called, the main thing is that there will be an unstable region near the Russian border. No one will support the economy of Ukraine, no one has such funds, so the new Ukraine or just Novorossiya will be restored immediately with the help of allies, the economy and infrastructure after the war will not be so easy to restore, there is no talk of restoring Ukraine, decades will pass for this.
  70. +1
    24 July 2014 10: 56
    How have you already been tortured with the “draining of Novorossiya”!!! Have you been to the border?? If you weren’t, keep quiet!!
  71. -1
    24 July 2014 10: 57
    Here and now the situation is radically different. A sovereign state (de jure), citizens of Ukraine with Ukrainian passports, although Russian-speaking, but still subjects of another country on sovereign territory (de jure). What is happening on the territory of Ukraine is their internal political matter.


    I agree with the author on everything except this. The idea is quite rotten. We cannot allow the creation of bantustans, where people, deprived of basic humanity, do whatever they want. And they are doing this precisely with the Russian population, which, let’s not pretend, is not the Ukrainian population. Kyiv has actually abandoned them, regards them as an inferior race, fit only for slave labor, and carries out a form of genocide on ethnic grounds. They are actually no one's. And from our side, with such a position, the defense of Russians in the world looks to them only as quite hypocritical. After all, we constantly moan about Russian-speaking people in the Baltic states and fight for their rights, but in Ukraine, it means that they are foreign citizens and you can do whatever you want with them?
  72. Serg7281
    +2
    24 July 2014 11: 07
    It’s not worth shedding the blood of Russian soldiers for Ukraine; a lot of it has already been shed. Now, of course, armchair strategists will start throwing stones at me. Well, everyone has their own point of view. But personally, I feel sorry for the Russian soldier, I was one myself. I am against our guys dying for someone else's freedom. Ukrainians themselves must defend their freedom, this is their internal matter, everything else is geopolitics.

    As a combat veteran (2 business trips to Chechnya), I completely agree with the author of the article. There are enough problems at home to solve other people's problems.
  73. +4
    24 July 2014 11: 08
    Quote: Vita_vko
    Of course, I really want to hope that Putin is closely monitoring the situation in the DPR and LPR. But I still don’t understand why Moscow recognized the results of the referendum in Crimea, but there was no referendum in the DPR and LPR, why are these republics still not recognized?


    That's roughly why. The other day I watched a video on Anna. Filmed the consequences of the shelling of Donetsk. And that means a shell hit the cafe, they go there. The hostess is there, her face is not particularly visible, the camera runs around and if she snatches the hostess, it is from behind. She means she’s wailing, there’s a fire here, there’s a fire there, three suede jackets, three tape recorders... well, in general it’s clear. And asks the journalists:
    -Who are you?
    -The guys answer that they are Russian journalists from a network channel...
    -You are Russians, I am also (LONG HITCH) Russian (further text is not important)
    X: Where are you from? (Apparently, against the backdrop of a nervous breakdown, her memory is not very clear)
    Zh: We are a Russian online publication based in Crimea.
    X: SO CRIMEA IS UKRAINIAN.
    W: RUSSIAN CRIMEA.
    Kh: WELL SO HE IS STILL NEAR MOSCOW.
    Like that. And this is either Lugansk or Donetsk. Do we need these? Are we ready to die for them?
    In general, the footage of the bombing sites in the city is very revealing. A hefty hog next to whose yard a mine fell: - Well, now I’ll be damn glad for the arrival of the Ukrainians...

    Fuck them all in bulk!
  74. +1
    24 July 2014 11: 10
    The article evokes ambivalent feelings - during the entire period of the confrontation, the discussion about sending troops into the conflict zone has not weakened at all. The author wrote everything correctly from the point of view of international legal law, but if we take into account the moral, purely human side? Even if they were not Russian citizens, no one gave anyone the right to bomb or burn them. The staffers are unlikely to be able to gain a foothold in Ukraine for a long time; another analogue of Afghanistan will stage a “grand racket” in Congress. The next president, Matrasia, will not have the strength to deal with Ukraine; it is necessary to save the States themselves from collapse, not forgetting about the astronomical national debt. The rejection of the dollar will be the last nail in the coffin of the United States, after which the main creditors will divide the territory among themselves to account for losses
  75. +3
    24 July 2014 11: 15
    I myself fought in two conflicts, I know what it is - but the GDP should at least help Novorossia with weapons....
  76. +4
    24 July 2014 11: 22
    Quote: kostik1301
    I myself fought in two conflicts, I know what it is - but the GDP should at least help Novorossia with weapons....

    Until Novorossia rises up against the Ukrainians, no one will supply it with anything. Militia units of which half are from Russia in combat detachments are not considered. They don't want to fight for their land. They are running as refugees. Why supply weapons to refugees?
  77. 0
    24 July 2014 11: 24
    Of course, Putin is the President of Russia and he must defend the rights, freedom and honor of his people (which he successfully does), but we must not forget that Russians, part of the same Russia, are being destroyed in Ukraine. Therefore, we need to help them as brothers and as those who will inhabit the territory of the former Ukraine.
  78. +5
    24 July 2014 11: 28
    The author’s good proposal is that instead of America there will be a strait (named after Nobel Peace Prize laureate Obama). After reading this, I involuntarily caught myself thinking that a dreamy smile was spreading across my face. After all, how much cleaner and calmer the planet would become. Eh, well, yes OK!
  79. +1
    24 July 2014 11: 38
    I think the author is right, but my heart bleeds looking at Donbass
  80. Miss N
    +2
    24 July 2014 11: 41
    The author has many advantages! He writes everything correctly! And our President is doing everything right.
    Special thanks for the thought expressed about the bone in the cutlet: indeed, the Americans have not yet realized who they were dealing with. And when they understand, it will be too late: the economy is on the verge of the background, all plans have failed, Russia, as it occupied 1/8 of the land, still occupies, lives and prospers)
    Only I feel sorry for the Ukrainians (as a person - a person) - they will remain on the bare ground, and with a bare ass.
  81. Vladimir I
    +5
    24 July 2014 11: 48
    Armchair troops and button coders.
    Read it again and get inspired.
    Where are the flies and where are the cutlets?

    An Antifashist correspondent recorded this monologue of a Lugansk resident while collecting material for a report from besieged Lugansk. The woman's emotional state shocked us so much that we decided to publish her words in full.

    I already hate you Russians. I hate Putin. When the referendum was held on May 11, we were convinced that everyone should stand up and go to vote. We were convinced that our opinion would be heard. We must show that we do not want to stay in Ukraine, we want to go to Russia.

    And I, too, stood in lines, and my neighbors stood and voted for the independence of Lugansk. I was still joking whether my son would have to go to the Russian army to serve if he was only demobilized from the Ukrainian. We were sure: we will vote and Russian troops will come to us. And we will have neither the Right Sector, nor Lyashko, nor Tymoshenko, nor Poroshenko, nor the Maydan Natsik.

    Voted. Time passed and the nightmare began. Today they’re just killing us. We are shot from artillery, they hunt us like animals, shoot from the air. Shells are torn day and night. And the worst thing is that children die.

    Well, where are you, Russian troops? Where is hard Putin? Why did you raise us? Why did you send your volunteers? Why send us weapons if we can’t fight them off. We can’t defend ourselves and save our homes and families. Did I wait until I reach retirement age and have to take a gun myself?

    We knew that there was a Russian army. You saw how she acted in the Crimea. And we believed that in my native Lugansk it would be the same.

    Lugansk is not a foreign land. This is Russian land. Here were the Red Guards, in Krasnodon and other cities, we fought together against the Nazis. My father told me how Soviet troops came here after the German occupation. As the war-dried old women ran out of the houses, hugged the soldiers and gave them the last piece of bread.

    We were waiting for Russian soldiers. And you left us. Slavyansk held on for several weeks, but you never helped him. They left the city alone with the barbarians. This is not a war. This is pure murder. And Kiev knows that you left us and does not spare shells, cartridges, they bomb our cities. Whom will you betray next? Donetsk? Lugansk?

    You then just leave. Send back your volunteers, take away your weapons, leave us alone. Because we just want to live. Yes, we hate this power, we know that it will take revenge on us. But better than all this horror without end.

    More details: http://antifashist.com/item/zhitelnica-luganska-a-my-tak-verili-russkim-i-putinu

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    1. +1
      24 July 2014 12: 41
      The hundredth time for heroes.....: In Donetsk, a million-strong city, seven thousand people came out to the pro-Russian rally!!! And the letters... Yes, they exist, but for some reason you don’t publish letters from the Baltic territories, but they are there, I’m sure... and you don’t remember Transnistria... Article plus.
    2. +1
      24 July 2014 17: 29
      Quote: Vladimir I
      When the referendum was held on May 11, we were convinced that everyone should get up and go vote. They assured us that our opinion would be heard. We must show that we do not want to stay in Ukraine, we want to go to Russia.

      From the very beginning, at the referendums there was no talk of any annexation of the region to Russia according to the Crimean scenario, and the idea of ​​Novorossiya itself was promoted only as an argument in the dispute about the future status of all of Ukraine. Now Novorossiya itself has been reduced to two regions instead of the original megaproject, which for a long time, if not forever, took Ukraine out of the Western orbit of influence.

      manipulation of facts
  82. -1
    24 July 2014 11: 50
    You cannot divide Russians up to the border with Russia and within the borders of Russia. So what if they didn’t give Russian passports to the people of Novorossiya, that didn’t make them different, non-Russian in essence. They are just like us Russians, not others (crests and other Galicians). So there is no need to protect them? An interesting approach: let them figure it out themselves and wash themselves of the blood to the fullest. It's not Russian to think like that. There is nothing to protect Russian soldiers who are already ready to defend Russians in Novorosiya, but there is no command. The soldiers, without hesitation, on command, without counting the victims, stood up for Austin. And they didn’t think that let them fight with the American-Georgian military and wash themselves with blood to the fullest. And they hit me in the teeth with a whistle! And now you can’t intercede, the situation is wrong. The author does not feel the hand of a military man who has been through hot spots, but writes from the dictation of the “fifth column,” small and petty.
  83. 0
    24 July 2014 11: 56
    First the Union was destroyed, and now you see the country is different. Yes, before the events of this year, no one said that we were from different countries. Russians from the Dnieper region are no different from those from the Volga region.
    And then he himself promised that he would protect Russians everywhere. But now Russians are dying on Russian territory. And what?..
  84. Wagron
    +3
    24 July 2014 11: 58
    Good, correct article. I especially like these words: (...personally, I feel sorry for the Russian soldier, I was one myself. I am against our guys dying for someone else’s freedom. Ukrainians themselves must defend their freedom, this is their internal matter , everything else is geopolitics.) This is said by a person who knows not in words what war is and that it is not worth dying for a foreign country. Helping the patriots of Ukraine with weapons, intelligence data, yes, that’s what we are doing.
  85. 0
    24 July 2014 12: 00
    Quote: Begemot
    In 1986, I traveled almost all of Ukraine with a delegation of the MNP and the strongest impression was that the escort did not speak Russian loudly in the same Raisins, Chernivtsi, Ternopol, Lviv ...

    In 95-96 I went on business trips to Kharkov and visited Izyum. Who did I talk to, no Russophobic sentiments
    1. 0
      24 July 2014 12: 30
      I’ve been there, including in the Lviv region, more than once, they communicated well with me, but now, they say, everything has changed, and not for the better....
  86. -6
    24 July 2014 12: 02
    "Putin has not made a single mistake, unlike the opposing sides. He knows what he is doing...
    Brave claim. This is news to me. In fact, it is outright sycophancy.
    “Let me remind you once again that Putin is the president of Russia, and he must defend the interests of Russians, and not citizens of other states, which he successfully does.”.
    Making an enemy on your doorstep, putting up with his antics and accepting refugees is, as I understand it, in the interests of the Russians. Interesting...Yes, he does it successfully...
    It’s time to recognize the DPR and help without being shy about means and methods.
    Then the war will end.
    This step is precisely in the interests of Russia.
    1. +2
      24 July 2014 12: 24
      Quote: Samsebenum
      It’s time to recognize the DPR and help without being shy about means and methods.
      Then the war will end.


      They help anyway, but methods need to be chosen carefully, looking at the consequences. Are you 100 percent sure that the war will stop? What if it doesn’t stop, but escalates into a war with Western Europe? Then you will probably blame and say that Putin succumbed to provocation and dragged Russia into the war, and demand is like water off a duck’s back. Yes? The United States did not incite this conflict so that it would end with the entry of Russian armed forces into the territory of Novorossiya.
      1. -1
        24 July 2014 15: 48
        Victor-M
        Interesting, name the Western countries. Europe, who dare to fight with Russia?
        Even the United States does not think about such a situation.
        No one will flinch, calm your imagination.
        I am writing about the recognition of the DPR for a reason, because without this, any of our help will be considered as assistance to terrorists. Do you catch the difference??
  87. 0
    24 July 2014 12: 14
    You cannot divide Russians up to the border with Russia and within the borders of Russia. So what if they didn’t give Russian passports to the people of Novorossiya, that didn’t make them different, non-Russian in essence. They are the same as us - Russians, not others (crests and other Galicians). So, there is no need to protect them?! An interesting approach: let them figure it out themselves and wash themselves of the blood to the fullest. It's not Russian to think like that. There is nothing to protect Russian soldiers who are already ready to defend Russians in Novorossiya, but there is no command. The soldiers, without hesitation, on command, without counting the victims, stood up for Austin. And they didn’t say that let them fight with the American-Georgian military and wash themselves with blood to the fullest. And they hit me in the teeth with a whistle! And now you can’t intercede, the situation is wrong. The author of the article does not feel the hand of a military man who has been through hot spots, but is written under the dictation of the “fifth column,” small and petty.
    1. +4
      24 July 2014 12: 26
      Much has been written, dear. Dontsk has a population of over a million, and seven thousand people came to the rally... And who to defend? And do the majority need that protection?
      1. -1
        24 July 2014 12: 39
        We must protect our own people, regardless of the politicization of the population. And the Ossetians also had to go to rallies in order to deserve protection?? They just wanted to live separately from the American-Georgian junta. And they were lucky that the Russians protected them. But Novorossiya did not meet the deadlines. You have to wait. Let them wash themselves with the blood, they didn’t let in enough. Let them jump under the bombs.
    2. 0
      25 July 2014 13: 11
      Absolutely agree! You cannot divide Russians, as is written in separate posts. Crimea is ours and the Russians there are ours. But in Novorossiya, Russians are already Ukrainians, not ours, and let them defend themselves. It’s interesting, but the fact that the cities along the Odessa-Kharkov line were annexed to Ukraine back in the 20s, while Crimea was annexed in the 50s, makes their population something second-rate for us? These are Russians like us, not yet completely Ukrainized. And if we leave everything as it is, then in some 10 years we will be “vatniks” and “Colorados” for them. And the Russian world will lose millions of ethnic Russians. All this does not mean that we urgently need to invade Ukraine, as many forum users primitively think. But it’s just a crime to renounce your brothers, grandfathers, mothers and sisters, calling them Ukrainians.
      1. 0
        25 July 2014 20: 33
        And we are already quilted jackets and colorados for them. ALREADY. It's finished. They have forgotten their roots and, joyfully fooled, go to the front to strangle the quilted jackets. Every week there are messages about the formation of new battalions, see the news feed
        The once beautiful Odessa calmly digested the death of civilians, and now sends battalions to the east “to restore order” using punitive methods. The world has definitely gone crazy
  88. 0
    24 July 2014 12: 18
    A few words for smart guys and exalted ladies who imagine themselves to be experts in the rearmament of armies. It is impossible to completely equip an army from scratch with modern equipment and weapons, otherwise the economy will immediately collapse. Where have you seen that, for example, in some state there were only the most modern, the latest types of tanks, planes, ships, submarines, artillery, missile forces? Where have you seen an army armed only with the latest classes of small arms and ammunition? In fact, the percentage of such rearmament in the troops is very small and it happens gradually, in small batches. While new things are being introduced, even newer developments in the military-industrial complex appear and this process is endless. So think with your head before being smart about this topic. Look Analyze what and how many armies the armies of different countries are armed with.
  89. +3
    24 July 2014 12: 20
    Everything is written clearly - without emotion and to the point!
  90. rfgthfyu
    +2
    24 July 2014 12: 22
    I agree with the author. Why should our Vanya protect them? Ivanko, who is lying on the sofa, marveling at the sky and wondering: why didn’t he juice, why doesn’t he pour...? Airborne Forces slogan: “We don’t abandon our own!” carries great psychological potential: the fighter is confident that no matter what happens to him, his comrades will come and help him, and they work without looking back. I myself saw these “refugees” in Novoshakhtinsk. Everyone could see them in television reports (although, in fairness, I would like to note that in recent days more and more women have been shown crying). Who should not leave these Ivankovs behind? Our volunteers are already fighting there, and, mind you, for the idea, and not for Ivankov.
    1. -1
      24 July 2014 12: 51
      So volunteers protect Russians. And the fact that Ukrainian propaganda has been leaching the Russian spirit in the Donetsk region for 23 years is no secret. And people with beer are not an indicator. Some people drink here too, and they don’t need to go to forums to argue about something. He drinks beer too! It is necessary to protect Russians regardless of their politicization. The militia does not have enough weapons, otherwise they would have managed it without an army of peacekeepers.
  91. +2
    24 July 2014 12: 23
    The author slightly distorts the seizure of territories, but overall, it’s definitely a plus...
  92. +2
    24 July 2014 12: 31
    Quite an objective and smart article! Without hysterics and guard-patriotism, “everything is lost”/“Putin has lost everything.”
    By the way, based on the number of minuses to the article, you can conduct a “census” of trolls and the brainless...)
  93. kin
    +2
    24 July 2014 12: 32
    Observing the effective and, at times, dizzying successes of the militias, you come to the assumption that Russian space intelligence is helping them a lot. What do you think: is this help not enough?
    1. -1
      24 July 2014 12: 53
      This is a fantasy about space. There is help, but not enough.
  94. korjik
    -1
    24 July 2014 12: 35
    As I understand it, the people on the site are divided into Russians and Russians.
    Russians are those who were born on the territory of Russia, and Russians are those who, by chance, were born and live in the former Soviet republics.
    Russians like wise Putin and everything that happens in their country, Russians don’t really like Putin because of his commercialism, cowardice and cunning ass :)
    For the Russians, all the problems of the Russians are in one place (if only there was no war), for the Russians - (to hell with you
    -give us weapons). I understand the Russians, Syria is an ally! Tension in that area supports the price of oil, and who are these Russians in Donetsk?
    Separatists, motherfucker! They are the ones who are dragging Russia into the war, not the peace-loving United States and its Nobel laureate.
    Russians, when you wake up one day and they tell you, “Brothers and sisters..., The enemy has treacherously attacked...”, you will not be left alone, we are Russians, we will come to the rescue wherever we are.
  95. zmeenosetz
    +4
    24 July 2014 12: 37
    The article is correct. Put your emotions aside and think. And most importantly - as Lavrov said - decide on the origin of coordinates. And everything will fall into place. And most importantly, turn on logic. The cause and effect mechanism is the only thing that will help us all.
    And, to make it clearer, I once again suggest reading the “revelations” of one of Amer’s pundits: The main task of the United States in Ukraine is from an interview with an American professor http://smi2.mirtesen.ru/blog/43098001078/Amerikanskiy-professor- vsyo-%22rastelez
    hil%22-dlya%22tupyih-ivropeytse
    Good luck everyone.
    The truth is with us
    The strength is with us
    The will is with us
  96. +2
    24 July 2014 12: 38
    There are Ukrainian zombies screaming “Glory to Ukraine,” and we all laugh at them, and there are our own Russian zombies, screaming “Putin has leaked Novorossiya” when the militias fail, and vice versa, “Putin is great” when they succeed. You will already decide, like a weather vane, which way the wind will blow.
    1. +2
      24 July 2014 12: 51
      Exactly! Moreover, the trends of “couch patriots” change at breakneck speed, and you can’t keep track)))
  97. +1
    24 July 2014 12: 40
    Author:
    Imagine that, for example, the Jewish Autonomous Okrug held a referendum that was not agreed upon with anyone and announced secession from Russia, and also asked Israel to send troops to protect its interests and asked to join the Israeli state. How will you, dear colleagues, react to this?
    - Well, and again everything is on point! Right.
  98. +1
    24 July 2014 12: 43
    Quote: BMVIK
    The only annoying thing is that Yanukovych, Gaddafi, Gorbachev knew the same thing more than a simple layman, but this ultimately led to collapse.

    The time is different today, and the president is not like they used to be. I’m sure everything is under control (although it seems to us that everything is not so), but I will repeat once again: the time is different and Putin is a flint.
  99. MMX
    0
    24 July 2014 12: 48
    It has been written here more than once, but nothing better can be thought of: If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it gets both war and shame (c) W. Churchill.
    Alas, but then there was no need to get involved in all this. Let us then give up our status as a world power. If we cannot protect our interests (and Ukraine is our sphere of interests, no matter what anyone says), then we should not hide behind passages such as this article. If the hut is on the edge, then in everything else we are on the edge. This means that Russia is not a great power, but simply a country, of which there are many, without strategic interests and influence. Why then these jingoistic statements about the confrontation with the USA, EU and NATO. Sit quietly then - on the edge and you will be happy. Such quiet, peaceful consumer happiness. Let us recognize then that the time for our great achievements has passed. Now everything is different: we are no longer the same, and the world is different.
    But no, we stubbornly insist on our status as a power. But in reality? This is the real confrontation with the United States. On “our field”, I want to note. Here we see the result. Now we are already thinking about how to minimize losses from sanctions and how not to accidentally send in troops.
    The resident of Lugansk is right, we must leave then. And these half measures only lead to a protracted conflict and numerous casualties among the civilian population. But in the end it’s all the same - we’ll get both shame and war. The first one is already coming. When should we expect the second one?
    1. -1
      24 July 2014 16: 22
      I absolutely agree, I wrote about the introduction of the 3rd package of sanctions back in April, but no one here believed me then. THERE IS NO GDP PLAN, there is ordinary cowardice and selfish interest. At this rate, we will return Crimea, and in addition, as an “apology”, we will either allow a NATO base to be installed on our territory, or we will give the “brothers” a piece of our territory, as we have already given the islands in the North Sea.
  100. Everest2014
    +2
    24 July 2014 13: 06
    Bravery and stupidity! Putin, bring the sofa troops into battle, they are the most fearless!

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