Militia DNR: ukrosiloviki unlocked the airport in Donetsk

The commander of the national militia, Igor Strelkov, stated that the militia units had to retreat from three locations, as well as from Donetsk airport, moving to new positions and taking several strategically important villages in the northeast approaches to the capital of Donbass. Strelkov confirmed that the Ukrainian security forces took control of Donetsk airport, unblocking it.

Igor Strelkov quotes RIA News:

We have left Karlovka, as well as Netaylovo and Pervomayskoye, under the threat of encirclement and destruction of our small forces there. We went away on command, without loss in technique and with insignificant losses in people. It would be a crime to give the law enforcement officers "to be devoured" by several platoons of good infantry in our conditions. Yes, as a result, the enemy unblocked the airport and went directly to the northwestern outskirts of Donetsk, but that would have happened with a delay of no more than a day, and a hundred militiamen would pay with their lives for this time gain, nothing, in general, meaningless.

In fact, such a statement only confirms that the militia forces are seriously inferior to the Ukrainian army and the so-called National Guard in number. I don’t have to say anything about superiority in technical equipment - it’s obvious.

Igor Strelkov:

The enemy inland will not climb. Donetsk is not a tiny Dzerzhinsk with a garrison of 80 fighters ... They will try to cut us off and force us to withdraw - following the model of Slavyansk. If nevertheless they climb, we ask for favors! We are waiting for them in the building! Where their mass tanks will be most vulnerable. But they still did not have combat-ready infantry, and still do not.

As far as the words that the militia is really ready to effectively resist ukrosilovikam on the streets of Donetsk reflects the reality - difficult to say, especially in light of the fact that in recent days the Ukrainian army has only increased its grouping in the Donbass, and that it is spending even those funds that were originally laid to support the social and scientific spheres.

Comments

[RUSS]

Worst forecasts come true, b ... at least do not read and do not watch TV, some experiences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[herruvim]

In 1941, near Moscow, many also did not think that in 1945 they would celebrate the victory in Berlin

[nizrum]

Behind it was 80% of the territories and industry, but here ... without Russia, defeat is a matter of time.

[REDBLUE]

I think Kiev has money left for 2-3 months of war. Next, the dill will merge. It is unlikely that the United States has a debt of trillions of dollars or the IMF will sponsor dill. So, you need to hold out until October, and there will be a lull. It will pass into the passive phase. If Russia supports Novorossia with technology and finances, then after NG, everything will go the other way around. The Slavs will beat the Nazis on all fronts.

[Scoun]

Quote: REDBLUE

I think Kiev has money left for 2-3 months of war. Next, the dill will merge.

In any case ..... win, do not win ...
In 2015, the inhabitants of Ukraine will enter galloping .. but not because "hto does not jump that mos.ka.l" but because there will be a massive impoverishment of the people and all the other "delights" that by that time the junta authorities will have time to do it.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Scoun

In the 2015 year, the people of Ukraine will enter jumping.

Yes, half will go to Russia, having deleted their accounts in social networks, where they mixed Russia with shit.

[sds555]

Bulletins from Strelkova Igor Ivanovich
23.07.2014/10/56 XNUMX:XNUMX (Moscow time) Synopsis from I.I. Strelkov

"By morning, the enemy knocked out our units from Chervona Dawn and Kozhevni. Our losses are the 2 of the tank and the 2 of the BMP, more than the 30 of the wounded. The forces are too unequal.
At dawn, the reconnaissance battalion managed to capture Dibrovka (Dubrovka), but the battle continues there - the heights are still in the hands of the enemy. Ukrainians make full use of the German fortifications of the Great Patriotic War - including perfectly preserved concrete pillboxes and shelters. The sunken trenches have been cleared. "

So that's all that they captured yesterday lost today

[sds555]

23.07.2014/11/30 XNUMX:XNUMX (Moscow time) Summary from the militia Prokhorov.

“There is not much news at night - in Gorlovka from 3 am to XNUMX:XNUMX am, the suburbs were shelled (including Hurricanes). Bezler's fighters also repulsed the enemy's attempt to gain a foothold near the city under the cover of these shells.

In the area of ​​Dyakovo (“gut”), the 79 airmobile brigade is being laid down with Grads and mortars. After that, the junta were offered a corridor for the removal of the wounded. Since, along with the wounded down the corridor, the entire l / s brigade almost ran into pieces, the officers refused to carry it. Thus, dozens of paratroopers are doomed to a painful death under the scorching sun.

In the area Krasnopartizanska approx. 3 nights are also Gradami and mortars fired at the location of the 72 Brigade, there are casualties, the exact number is being determined.

Donetsk fired at a checkpoint near Avdeevka and the airfield.

During the night, the shelling of Lysychansk continued, from 3 in the morning there is a battle in the area of ​​the rubber products factory, and at 6 in the morning, RBU aviation inflicted on it.

Around 10:50 (Moscow time) alternately 5 dill aircraft populated the RBU in the area between Rovenky and Sverdlovsk.

11:30 (Moscow time) Dill aviation continues to bombard the area of ​​Snezhnoye (Saur-Mogila?), Near Rovenek they bombed the checkpoint of the village. Dzerzhinsky. In the Sverdlovsk region, parachutes were seen - most likely, they dropped the cargo to the besieged in the "gut".

[Himalayan]

When there was a second war in Iraq, Urya specialists talked, Shaw in Baghdad, the Americans will break the ridge. This is Gorod-Gorodsky bais.
-But ... the capture was swift.
But where there was massive popular support, the United States was lame.
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What was Objectively online.
1. Aviation of New Russia received a plane that, literally on the eve, made its first flights.
2. Throws that the militia creates its air defense
3. The day before the death of 777, the AN-26 was shot down at an "incomprehensible height" and the SU-25 was allegedly nearby
4. And most importantly - the discharge of aviation flights - IL-76, etc. in particular, they allegedly were, and, through the SBU, a base-drain with a Boeing was scrolled. To the extent that the information was previously pitted through its people in the LPR-DPR, the SBU. We remember the strange death of IL-76 - without a single burned bone.

Who shot down, how he shot down ... "Well, they shot down and shot down.-Glory to Novorossiya." And then the main setup, according to the lured scheme.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Himalayan

Who shot down, how he shot down ... "Well, they shot down and shot down.-Glory to Novorossiya." And then the main setup, according to the lured scheme.

Himalayan, you kind of wrote that the rear admiral was retired or something like that. If so, then your non-professional posts surprise me. I personally knew a few admirals when I served.

[surovts.valery]

Well, dear Alexander, many of us knew the admirals personally when we served. For example: comrade. Vysotsky. Personally, he also knew, although he hardly remembers me personally. But here is a case-characteristic of his personal merits and ambitions, from my colleague, I will give. The cruiser "Admiral Lazarev", somewhere in the high corridors of the superstructure, near the flagship cabin of the commander of the 10th OPESK. VV Vysotsky, admiring himself in front of the mirror, says: "Well, Volodya, already an admiral!" Naturally, thinking that no one is watching him. And I heard another story about Vysotsky in 93, but hardly from an eyewitness. Late 80s, TAKR "Minsk", exit from the base (z. Strelok), on running Kom. 10 OPESK (sort of like Dymov was then), commander, first mate and VO. The squadron commander asks the question: "Here are five fingers kekura (five stones on the south-east of the Putyatin Island), why is one stone white, the rest black?" Commander's response:
"Waves hit, white with salt." Squadron commander: "Wrong, they hit everyone, but only one white man." The first mate's response: "I think these are relic deposits from the Mesozoic era." The squadron commander to the officer on duty: "Well, what do you think of a starley?" Answer: "Seagulls obosr ... whether Comrade Admiral!" Squadron commander: "That's right, starley, and you are here with your relic deposits ... and so on. The chief officer is Vysotsky.
Believe me, these stories were known even when Vysotsky wasn’t closely planned in the commanders-in-chief. The glory of the Pacific Fleet went about him during his service there.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: surovts.valery

For example: comrade Vysotsky. He also knew personally, although it is unlikely that he personally remembers me.

I read the posts of the Himalayan and for example lieutenant colonel, deputy commander of a part of the VAF. There is a big difference between them, there is a professional review of the topic and there is just a chatter.

[Himalayan]

You misunderstood. It was an appeal to the man who called me the Pan-Himalayan

http://4put.ru/view-max-picture.php?id=2927457

As with Psaki. No apologies needed. This is ... - "trap".

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Himalayan

You misunderstood

Moreover, even the Fleet Admiral. Your Ava Dorogin reminds from a part, well, that's all for now [hide] [/ hide]My webpage

[surovts.valery]

Guys, I'm sorry to fit in. Dorogin, is this the former commander of the Kamchatka Flotilla? so he purposefully went to the State Duma deputies. In the Navy, he was no longer shining. But when he climbed into the deputies, he strained for this many of his former subordinates. I haven’t heard of him for a long time, but my opinion is that such comrades, who sharply changed their military career to a politician, are not credible. I can’t say anything bad about him, but I personally knew his assistant.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: surovts.valery

Guys, I'm sorry to fit in. Dorogin, is this the former commander of the Kamchatka Flotilla? t

Yes, he replaced Kharnikov at the post, then he went to the deputies.

Quote: surovts.valery

I can’t say anything bad about him, but I personally knew his assistant.

Who is this with?

[surovts.valery]

The official assistant to the State Duma deputy, although he still remained in the service at that time. How would I answer, so as not to shine on the site, comrade is now in Moscow, I do not want to do anything bad to him.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: surovts.valery

The official assistant to the deputy of the State Duma

Not if I don’t know from Moscow or civilians. And so I greeted him every day. As a commander as a whole, I would not say that he was some kind of ****. Normally supervised as much as was possible at that time. In any case, it was not Silkov who was given the Glory to God.

[AQUARIUS 65]

Himalayan
Who shot down, how he shot down ... "Well, they shot down and shot down.-Glory to Novorossii"

What thought you bring, dear, it is clear. To each of the items listed, you can easily add the questions "What? Where? When? How? Why?" and then the only question comes to replace them - "Why the heck?"

[Himalayan]

The thought is - Provocation of the SBU.

[Bully]

Quote: Himalayan

Aviation of New Russia received a plane that, literally on the eve, made its first flights

I am embarrassed to ask: Where did the militia attack aircraft take off and where did it land? Well this is not a helicopter, he needs a runway! Have the militia military airfields appeared? In my opinion, some sort of crap with this plane.

[Himalayan]

Do not be shy. Ask only those who posted this information on the Internet as news material.

What was Objectively online.

Google to help. Just read the posts carefully. Otherwise, your "hesitate to ask" is a trick.
I just see, and it’s not only your personal concern, that the rudeness and unreasonable aggressiveness, combined with the Elementary bad manners are so very common among young people

[max2215]

Of course, Strelkov’s offensive very frightened dill, but nevertheless, they won’t be able to survive without the support of Russia - it’s not like 41 Luga with drafts on tanks.
Israel, there, is pressing Gaza; they, like that of someone else’s opinion, do not give a damn, they defend their interests. But we are afraid of sanctions, or rather, not we, but our elite, we will lose, practically nothing, neither small nor medium-sized businesses will be bent, because how little we produce and sell, but energy carriers, in view of sanctions, can hold on, well, they don’t have any pipes except ours. During the Union they lived under sanctions and did not die, if not for the labeled ones, they probably still did not bother them. A shell fell on our land, everything is an occasion for delivering air strikes against enemy clusters, alas, now they are no longer brothers, but the enemy, vile and treacherous.

[skate]

Missiles hit Israel, there is a justified position.
It’s impossible to fart without a position, they will devour.

[lelikas]

Quote from skat

Missiles hit Israel, there is a justified position.
You can’t fart out of position, they will devour.

But mines and shells fly to us, there are victims, planes fly in, BMPs arrive - what other reason is needed?

[Dart2027]

In fact, the cavalry was more likely an infantry that used horses for faster movement. In any case, the cavalry divisions included tanks, artillery and aviation.

[matross]

Quote: max2215

as near Luga in 41 with drafts on tanks.

What kind of heresy is this? Where did they get it?

Quote: max2215

Israel, off, pressing Gaza

Gaza? He is pressing Hamas, attacking its territory with hundreds of missiles and recognized as a terrorist organization. But not a neighboring state, in the territory of which there is a civil war, and sometimes goes to our border. Feel the difference?

[baltika-18]

Quote: max2215

Strelkov’s offensive scared dill very much,

Girkin had to take his sidekicks from Moscow reenactors there, especially because he was circled.

[baltika-18]

And this is he, who is circled.

[baltika-18]

Minus Girkin personally. All photos from his personal album from social networks are publicly available for viewing. Downloaded for fun. If he really claims to be a "national hero" he could have edited it from the album and removed it.

[kergudu straight]

Quote: baltika-18

Minus Girkin personally. All photos from his personal album from social networks are publicly available for viewing. Downloaded for fun. If he really claims to be a "national hero" he could have edited it from the album and removed it.

In my bathroom there is a basket with dirty, smelly non-pairing socks, you can also get dirty there, at the same time you will sort in pairs

[baltika-18]

Quote: Kergudo Straight

I have in the bathroom

But I don’t have a bath either. Write the address in PM, we’ll come in the winter, we’ll see what kind of problems you have, the namesake. And for now, still a picture of your favorite commander.

[Starfish]

I’ve never understood people posting disgusting photos of drugs. it's disgusting. it's like seeing someone else's shit under a bush and calling everyone to look at it.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Starfish

I’ve never understood people posting disgusting photos of drugs.

Well this is not a simple homosexual, this is, so to speak, a "fighting homosexual". In the company of the "national hero" Girkin I.V. there is a lot of different shit. After all, few people are interested in his personality, the media have created an image and everyone is happy to consume it. But what if you think about it? Damn it. On TV they said a hero means a hero.

[atalef]

Quote: baltika-18

Well this is not a simple homosexual, this is, so to speak, a "fighting homosexual".

Practically Spartan

There is a lecture at the university. The professor talks about the Spartans. Well, as for the fact that, they say, the troops were on campaigns for years and this united the soldiers so much that, as a rule, they fell in love with each other. And this was encouraged, for the Spartan, who had lost a friend and lover in one person, was merciless to the enemy and avenged the murdered. And then one point, a tiny little student giggles:
- So the Spartans were pedets?

The professor sighed heavily, took off his glasses, looked at the upstart and said:

-De wilds, speak? God forbid, dear young man, to meet at least one such fagot face to face. No, my young friend, these were not fagots! These were the real BATTLE P AND DARRASY !!

[soratnik]

Apparently Lyashko considers himself to be this very fighting fag. But in fact an ordinary fagot.

[Ulus5]

Quote: baltika-18

.A ponder? Yes to hell. On TV they said a hero, then a hero.

Are you making a hunchback?
But seriously, your posts are like frank ordering on the blackening of a person who begins to squeeze ukrov.
And again: "He that is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" the words of Jesus - from the Bible.

[suomi76]

Applause Baltic. The most suitable analogue is Bob Denard.

[Bully]

Quote: baltika-18

In the meantime, another picture ...

Buchol chol, lost coast? There in the photo is the same Girkin (Strelkov) as I am Fidel Castro.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Bully

Buchol chol, lost coast?

Quote: Bully

There in the photo is the same Girkin (Strelkov) as I am Fidel Castro.

Here there is really Girkin Igor Vsevolodovich, a pseudonym for reconstruction Strelkov Igor Ivanovich. And here who I do not know. A big question mark.

[baltika-18]

Compare. Think. The Battlefield 2013 Album.

[uhu189]

As far as the monitor allows me to consider, these are two different people. Even the color of the eyes is different. In fact, Strelkov said many times that he does not have social accounts. networks. The page from the forum is clearly not the same. Therefore, I am afraid your photographs prove only that it is not the same person. Not more.

[baltika-18]

Quote: uhu189

As far as the monitor allows me to consider, these are two different people.

Yes, it seems different. But the question arises, why use the highlighted history? It is calculated easy. And in addition. It downloaded everything in April, May. Now everything is deleted and cleaned up. We burst, it was necessary earlier.

Quote: Bully

. There is a professional warrior, a senior officer of the Airborne Forces or special intelligence

And here I’m just not sure. I watched all of his interviews attentively. I got the impression that this is an actor, a media character. But this is provided that the scam was prepared in advance, calculated over the course of several years, the background was created on the Internet. Can this be?

[Stypor23]

Quote: baltika-18

Compare. Think. "Battlefield 2013" Album ..

This pirate looks like a cop to whom I sold my car. And in the pictures you can immediately see that these are two different people.

[Kuts]

The shape of the noses and ears is different - different people.

[Bliznec]

one hundred pounds different !!!

[Bully]

Quote: baltika-18

Here there is really Girkin Igor Vsevolodovich, a pseudonym for reconstruction Strelkov Igor Ivanovich

Nikolay, I beg your pardon, I did not immediately catch the direction of thought. The connection of Igor Strelkov (we will call it that) with the reconstruction topic always seemed implausible to me. There is a professional warrior, a senior officer of the Airborne Forces or special intelligence. And what is the name really, what a difference! A man is honest, competent, and most importantly he loves Russian Earth! Someday we'll find out the name of a HERO!

[snifer]

I support this not Strelkov compared the auricles, they are different, by the way, but where does the infa that Strelkov = girkin ???

[baltika-18]

Here's another throw for thought.

[baltika-18]

Taken from garnison-a.ru. This is the site of the reenactors.

[SSeT]

If this is Girkin, then I am a Spanish pilot. Lost a fool

[suomi76]

About twenty percent of your sayings are related to sexually deviant behavior, with either caprophagy or homosexuality being played out in various forms. So do not recommend your own latent desires in the Baltic.

[Nikolaychuk]

Dear, why should I minus Girkin?
Write, who is this person with dyed hair? How do you know that he p.edrila?
If people play reconstruction war games and are dressed in military uniforms, this does not mean that they are all military, in life.
I have a girlfriend, on Halloween or on a corporate party, dressed in a nurse's suit, and smeared it with red paint, like blood. But I know that she is not a nurse.
You have a horseman on horseback and epaulettes, you are not Budyonny!
And what does this have to do with Girkin. He was the organizer. Surely there are many other pictures with other people.
And most importantly, this man earned his epaulettes in the war, and not how you are near the computer!

[suomi76]

The movement of reenactors in itself is very interesting. And the fact that there are homosexuals does not mean anything in the characterization of Strelkov's personality. But at the moment it is Bob Denard. Katanga, the French colonial administration, several wars, adventurism, the preservation of the French empire.
Which does not detract from his abilities, as well as Bob in the conduct of local hostilities. Adventurer.

[lelikas]

Quote: baltika-18

Minus Girkin personally. All photos from his personal album from social networks are publicly available for viewing. Downloaded for fun. If he really claims to be a "national hero" he could have edited it from the album and removed it.

He didn’t set anything, although he himself is not a hero and God forbid to claim - but friends are different. For example, I also have a couple of pictures in the album, and even more abruptly and what, should I call me a gay now?
My aunts were "of these", and one was not my own at all - while I found out about this when I became quite an adult - why should I stop loving them abruptly?

[Dart2027]

Is this photo the same from Strelkov’s personal album? Or just somewhere similar?

[baltika-18]

Quote: Dart2027

Is this photo the same from Strelkov’s personal album? Or just somewhere similar?

Quote: traper

But here I doubt something that in this photo Strelkov. Although I'm certainly not a physiognomist.

No guys, it’s Igor Girkin in the photo, the pseudonym for the reconstruction of Igor Strelkov. The photo there is like dirt, different.

[Dart2027]

I mean the second, "circled".

[leglun]

You open your eyes, 2 people and physique and face are different. You sculpt and rejoice

[traper]

But here I doubt something that in this photo Strelkov. Although I'm certainly not a physiognomist.

[alone]

Quote: max2215

Of course, Strelkov’s offensive scared dill very much,

Do not tell me what kind of attack? Something I really did not understand? How and Where did he attack?

[Oleg is simple]

A very interesting fact: the Ukropov media for some reason do not mention this "glorious victory" anywhere. It's even strange somehow

[sds555]

Video from the junta Su-25 aircraft shot down today, which fell on the territory of the militia.

[GDP]

All this is sad 2 tank and 2 BMP - heavy losses for New Russia. So they have very little technology ...
The superiority of the enemy in manpower and equipment is affected - the death of New Russia in the case of non-intervention by Russia is a matter of time, and not so distant.

[Old Cynic]

Yes, really ... Chatting - not tossing bags ...
A meaningful phrase: "Crimean slaves of Putin" ... I wonder if he "gave birth to her" on his own, or who suggested?

[Ribwort]

Wow, well ... Really wanted to enslave Putin?

[P-38]

"As the world - so sons of bitches, and as war - so brothers?"
Quote where I read - I do not remember

[Dart2027]

K. Simonov "Suvorov"

[aleks 62]

.... There is nothing to do with us !!!! Into the trenches !!!! For brain washing !!!! ..... And here we will "accept" ...

[Scandinavian]

Listen to this tashnilovka while listening to my three times spun into dumplings ....

[Yun Klob]

Yes, this is not Psaki. The girl insists on "God's dew".

[SSeT]

Fierce Piiii ... And this is the official "head" Not a single answer, just delirium of some kind of "social media", a fierce rut, a stream of consciousness ...
But smears talented, psaku on a gilyak campaign sent
For half an hour she gave up, didn’t say ANYTHING! a new trend in the press conference, for sure

[annodomene]

The answer to the screenshot, briefly, in the case - on x ..!

[Scoun]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes, half will go to Russia, having deleted their accounts in social networks, where they mixed Russia with shit.

Here, a relative from Odessa called her friends. Retell as I can)))
In general, she was going to Maidown in Kiev, to earn money. They promised 1000 hryvnias a day, well, and decided to raise the money in a week .. She came back after a while .. she’s happy with everything .. and then she needed to the hospital, some kind of ailment popped up .. she went to the doctors .. passed tests .. and they tell her .. Aunt, you have drugs in your analyzes. She oh and ah .. how is it .. I don’t use anywhere else ... time has passed .. now she says that probably on the Maidan they were poured into their food .... and then either believe it or not))) But hers is like in the movie "I'm Not Guilty" but he didn't come by himself, but anyway she went there herself.

[PalSanych]

Enlightenment comes with leaps and bounds

[We Remember]

forced sobering ...

[Chaika]

Our financiers have calculated that they have money for 10 days of the war, today they reported on TV

[divangeneral]

devils of money for war throw

[Letun]

Quote: Seagull

Our financiers have calculated that they have money for 10 days of the war, today they reported on TV

Our financiers, for supporting the US economy themselves must be sent to Solovki.

[coolvoldik]

Kudrin scares Russians by taking away 20% of their income from the war with Ukraine | Russian spring

The designer of the liberal-monetarist framework of the Russian economy felt the right moment for a statement on the Ukrainian problem. It turns out that Kiev has reliable allies in the Russian political elite.

Kudrin said that a new round of confrontation between Russia and Ukraine could cause an increase in military spending, despite the fact that Russia's military budget is more than 10 times less than the military budgets of NATO countries. At the same time, Russia's GDP will decrease, which will cause a drop in real incomes.
“Speaking figuratively, it is as if we agreed to pay 15-20% of our salary right away,” Kudrin said.

So you want this condon in the face with a brick

[lukewarm]

His pus-filled Novodvorskaya is waiting with open arms

[341712]

Why is he still breathing?

[alone]

Quote: Seagull

Our financiers have calculated that they have money for 10 days of the war, today they reported on TV

I've been reading this here for the third month)))

[DPZ]

in 2-3 months, without SUFFICIENT support in the territory controlled by the militia, there will not be a single whole building, not a single living person.
why pull so ?!

[lukewarm]

No one will support the campaign anymore. Late. It seems that all negotiations are about not to touch us. In a hurry to finish with Novorossia to climb in the Crimea

[volodyk50]

On July 14, due to the IMF tranche, S&P raised Ukraine’s credit rating, the company changed Ukraine’s “pre-default” (CCC) rating to “stable.” The second tranche will be issued at the end of this month in the amount of $ 17 billion. later on July 17, Yatsenyuk at a government meeting confirmed plans to implement a new wave of privatization of state property. So this is a matter of time. According to some reports, in the second wave of privatization, nuclear facilities will be sold and laid.

[mamont5]

Quote: REDBLUE

I think Kiev has money left on the 2-3 month of the war.

Recently it was that money remained for them for 10 days, despite their "strict" economy on everything and, first of all, on their soldiers.

[EvgenSuslov]

Americans poured for their mega-debt, and for this they are starting a war. So waiting for autumn or winter is like postponing a trip to the dentist with a toothache.

[Vik.Tor]

They have money left for a much shorter time, the creatures themselves say that the gamble turned out to be a little expensive, so now they will go to waste, until, that is, and fill it up with a lot. Fuck, they don't really value their "meat".

[Dialogue]

I remember that in the first Chechen war, the Russian Federation as well as the Ukrainian, now the IMF begged for money, but enough for the war.

[REDBLUE]

Here I look and see a bunch of minuses. I would like to argue. An article appeared on the VO that money, as I wrote, was left for a couple of months. What am I wrong about? Or we have a herd feeling. People put stupidly minus signs and plus signs not for justification, but a stupid stupid statement. Type will be all super, or here he is a real man, etc. I certainly pokh ... on the pros and cons. But I think that there should be a balanced objective opinion of the participants. And not a dumb fake

[Makosha]

They will give out more. Now they have nowhere to go, they will continue until the victorious end. Ours or theirs. This war is for survival.

[Scandinavian]

I noticed from YouTube that for a long time there were no well-equipped armored groups sent .... usually such columns through the tube are quickly laid out by eyewitnesses ... and then silence ....

[alicante11]

And who said that "without Russia"? How long can you not turn on your head? The issue of Nona's ammunition is no longer an issue. much more urgent is the issue of ammunition for MLRS. The cars themselves, perhaps, were also captured by the militia, however, judging by the number, I doubt it. But ammunition this thing eats like a pig slop. So do not cast a shadow on a clear day. We will help and will help.

[lukewarm]

Either it’s not enough or we ourselves are not the same. HZ. The results are visible. Rather, their absence.

[alicante11]

Either it’s not enough or we ourselves are not the same. HZ. The results are visible. Rather, their absence.

Forgive me, but take how many people Strelkov had in April and how many now. Or do you see no difference between hunting rifles and MLRS? As a matter of fact, Russia is responding to the challenges. While the dill were using counter-terrorist actions, specialists and special weapons were walking. They didn't buy Vintorez at the market. When the dill went into full-fledged military action. tanks and guns went. MLRS and ammunition for them. It's just that it is easier for dill to build up their forces, they have a lot of territory where they can prepare reinforcements, and the militias have to huddle on the "patch" of Donbass and Luhansk oblast, which is almost shot through with dill. Therefore, you cannot create reinforcements in marketable quantities. Hence the tactics of how to deal with an obviously stronger enemy. And they are fighting well, after all.

[uhu189]

You yourself can see the results of "help", every day it gets worse and worse. Handing over one truckload of ammunition where 15 of them are needed is also help, but is it from a real desire to help, or from the need to create the appearance of help?

[alicante11]

I see a difference in the number and equipment of militias. She has grown seriously.

Transferring one truck with ammunition where 15 are needed is also help

Have you seen militia complaints about a lack of supplies? Regarding weapons, he answered above.

[uhu189]

Yes, you are right, in comparison with April, the equipment of the militia has grown, but in April there were about 5 thousand under the Slavic army and the National Guard. And now a minimum group of 70-80 thousand is estimated, full of heavy weapons and armored vehicles. The equipment and organization of the Armed Forces forces grew even faster. You yourself understand very well that in order to turn the tide, you need to arm and supply the militia at a faster pace than the APU, otherwise it will lead to disaster. And we are lagging behind, and very much. And the results are obvious, unfortunately.

Quote: alicante11

Have you seen militia complaints about a lack of supplies? Regarding weapons, he answered above.

Saw, and not once or twice. What do you think, would the militia have ATGMs and modern grenade launchers — would they carry ATGMs with them?

[alicante11]

Yes, you are right, in comparison with April, the equipment of the militia has grown, but in April there were only about 5 thousand under the Slavic army and the National Guard.

Read, read and read again ...

As a matter of fact, Russia is responding to challenges. While the dill were using counter-terrorist actions, specialists and special weapons were walking. They didn't buy Vintorez at the market. When the dill went into full-fledged military action. tanks and guns went. MLRS and ammunition for them. It's just that it is easier for dill to build up their forces, they have a lot of territory where they can prepare reinforcements, and the militias have to huddle on the "patch" of Donbass and Luhansk oblast, which is almost shot through with dill. Therefore, you cannot create reinforcements in marketable quantities. Hence the tactics of how to deal with an obviously stronger enemy. And they are fighting well, after all.

Saw, and not once or twice. What do you think, would the militia have ATGMs and modern grenade launchers — would they carry ATGMs with them?

Proof in the studio.
Previously, there is now. But just in case, anti-tank missiles will do. There, even a tank in Donetsk was tamed.

[uhu189]

You have a very arrogant manner of communication, unfortunately, oh well. I read your post, we could not bother and not quote again. I repeat again - late, weeks on 2-3 from the needs of the development of the situation. Or will you argue with this?
About ammunition - Strelkov’s message for the end of May and beginning of June, after the first day of a massive assault on Semyonovka APU, where he said that even the ammunition for the PTR would soon end, and after them the soldiers would be over - this was the first thing I remembered.

[alicante11]

You have a very arrogant manner of communication, unfortunately, oh well. I read your post, we could not bother and not quote again. I repeat again - late, weeks on 2-3 from the needs of the development of the situation. Or will you argue with this?

C'mon, I just don't like to repeat the same thing several times. Still, I’m not on the salary of the State Department, I’m doing it in my personal time.

I’ll argue. Because the MLRS and the ammunition for them appeared just in time, by the time of the attack on the boiler. This is an example, tanks appeared even earlier. With ATGMs, bullshit, I don’t know, or some hands warmed up, shoved the expired, or the truth were trophies dill in Sloviansk. But something else I did not hear other complaints about weapons and supplies from the militia.

About ammunition - Strelkov’s message for the end of May and beginning of June, after the first day of a massive assault on Semyonovka APU, where he said that even the ammunition for the PTR would soon end, and after them the soldiers would be over - this was the first thing I remembered.

A more precise number is possible? I recently looked through just all the messages, starting in May. I don’t remember something.
However, I remember that Strelkov also said that "let the volunteers come, we have everything except the uniform."

[alone]

Quote: alicante11

Have you seen militia complaints about a lack of supplies?

Alik, read Strelkov’s bulletins beginning in the month of July. Almost a day later, he complained that either his grenade launchers were spoiled, the ATGMs were expired, etc., etc. Why argue

[alicante11]

Alik, read Strelkov’s bulletins beginning in the month of July. Almost a day later, he complained that either his grenade launchers were spoiled, the ATGMs were expired, etc., etc. Why argue

About ATGMs was, an isolated case. And I did not see complaints about garnatometres, as well as ammunition.
But it is necessary to argue, because alarmists, they are worse than the enemy in war. In WWII, SMERSH fought well with them, it is a pity that now it is so impossible.

[EvilLion]

And all 60% of the population, and not the best 60%, but a lot of all sorts of Uzbeks, but the Chukchi.

[leglun]

Are you a Chukchi by nationality?

[starlyii]

time is playing for us, now there will be results for 777. It did not work to break Russia, but the pressure is serious !!!
the main thing is not to leave the guys and help, help the whole world, help with resources and simple human support !!!

[Znayka]

RIA News. Two Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft were shot down near the village of Dmitrovka in eastern Ukraine. Two more !!! The situation for the militia is very difficult ... But I still hope that the possibilities of an independent economy are not unlimited. Half of the arable land was not seeded, the cattle went to feed the Ukrainian army, the market for products in the Russian Federation was lost, every additional month of hostilities for the junta is a huge amount of money that is not in the budget .., and while the IMF is fighting in the east of the country, 17 yards to Ukraine will, from October the heating season will begin ... Time does not work for the Nazis ...

[Gradus HuK]

Then the Ukrainians will accuse us of a new famine.

[Tilkus75]

If they had taken Moscow, it is not known how it would have ended !? Look at least the scheme of railways in 1941. And everything will become clear!

[Starfish]

"The worst predictions come true, b ... even if you don't read or watch TV, some experiences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Strelkova needs to listen, everything that says goes on.
then without large-scale assistance from the Russian state - in the future there will be a repetition of leaving the encircled Slavyansk, now from Donetsk.
and our leadership is not up to it, because "there is no immediate threat to territorial integrity and sovereignty" ... to fight like this near Moscow - is this the logic of our Security Council?

[KG_patriot_last]

Lugansk has already almost surrounded now they have taken up Donetsk. Lysychansk, Severodonetsk, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk are already left, and everyone writes about the winter and so on. Without gas, what tanks will not drive? Or the dollar machine in the US will die?

Putin needs to at least open the path to a retreat towards Russia. What kind of attack by the forces of 5-10 of thousands of militias (even if equipment and weapons arrive) towards Ukraine, where the response will begin (which was not, according to Strelkov in New Russia), I do not understand.

Is it a computer game or something, "money will run out, people run out, support run out, Putin has planned" ...

[alicante11]

Lugansk has already almost surrounded now they have taken up Donetsk. Lysychansk, Severodonetsk, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk are already left, and everyone writes about the winter and so on. Without gas, what tanks will not drive? Or the dollar machine in the US will die?

Lugansk release. In Donetsk, so far it’s normal, the airport has been unblocked - God bless him, even Strelkov says he is not really needed yet. It is not convenient to block it from two sides to fight back, forces and means are needed in other places. Water dill in the boiler. Let's tolerate, a rollback will be coming soon.

[uhu189]

Why then did Karlivka and Neitolovo fight for almost a month with the Bezler detachments and the Vostok battalion with the Oplot, fighting off tank attacks, so that now they could simply retreat from them? Shooters, in addition to the phrase about the airport, say a lot more, but for some reason you do not want to notice it persistently. There is no longer a boiler in the south, today it has been broken through again, and the rate of soaking the Ukrainians is still lower than the rate of building up their numbers both in technology and in people. Rollback can happen only for one reason - if the Russian Federation begins to provide significant assistance, if it does, then you will be right. And I would really like you to be right in the end.

[alicante11]

Why then did Karlivka and Neitolovo fight for almost a month with the Bezler detachments and the Vostok battalion with the Oplot, fighting off tank attacks, so that now they could simply retreat from them?

What is not clear? They thought they would keep it, they thought that they would quickly clean the boiler. Dill was not so persistent. Now, in order not to incur unnecessary losses, they have departed.

Why then did Karlivka and Neitolovo fight for almost a month with the Bezler detachments and the Vostok battalion with the Oplot, fighting off tank attacks, so that now they could simply retreat from them?

You read my comments before saying what I notice and what not.

There is no longer a boiler in the south, today it has been broken through again, and the rate of soaking the Ukrainians is still lower than the rate of building up their numbers both in technology and in people.

Yes, you sho? Is Saur Grave taken? Or, at least, Marinovka? You rave, dear. Dill restored the window. But through him they did not bring out much and supplied earlier. There will be a little now. And in the east of the boiler already, yes, no, they defeated utterly. Check out the link I gave.

[uhu189]

Quote: alicante11

Yes, you sho?

Yes, imagine! And has Saur-Grave been trying to take the last days, for what purpose is it now taken? And do not tell me who, 72-I, or 79-I? I heard that they bombed - yes, they fired - yes, but did not storm. Ukrainians around the perimeter of the digging. From Marinovka to the 3 border, kilometers were not covered for almost a week, the militias themselves said that at night they could not block the movement along this corridor by shelling. They blocked it yesterday, they were knocked out again at night, the corridor was restored. Unfortunately, I don’t see your link, I can’t see it.

Quote: alicante11

You read my comments before saying what I notice and what not.

- to the comments that I see - I try to answer, maybe I missed something important, sorry. I repeat again - I really hope that you are really correct in your estimates. But so far I can’t agree with you.

[alicante11]

Yes, imagine! And has Saur-Grave been trying to take the last days, for what purpose is it now taken?

So they tried, but did not take it :). Why take it? So from it the corridor is visible and spotters very cool induce MLRS and artillery at targets in the corridor. Read the source ...

And do not tell me who, 72nd, or 79th?

Strelkov spoke about the 79th, she was also referred to by reference, in the latest reports from the militia the 72nd appears, someone is mistaken. But what's the difference?

. From Marinovka to the border, 3 kilometers were not covered for almost a week, the militias themselves said that at night they could not block the movement along this corridor by shelling.

Completely - they could not. But the supply, as well as the evacuation of dill, could not be established. If you look at the latest reports, then they no longer shell, there are no shells, they are beaten by militias.

- to the comments that I see - I try to answer, maybe I missed something important, sorry. I repeat again - I really hope that you are really correct in your estimates. But so far I can’t agree with you.

Well, excuse me, but I can’t dial the same thing every day in 10 topics.

[alone]

Quote: alicante11

Lugansk release. In Donetsk, so far it’s normal, the airport has been unblocked - God bless him, even Strelkov says he is not really needed yet. It is not convenient to block it from two sides to fight back, forces and means are needed in other places. Water dill in the boiler. Let's tolerate, a rollback will be coming soon.

What and how? Alik Can you analyze the operational situation on the map? All north-western suburbs of Donetsk have been left, the airport has been unlocked. The Ukrainians have already come close to Gorlovka, the nearest village near Gorlovka Mayorsk was already taken two or three days ago.
there’s no Lysychansk ledge anymore. The Ukrainian army took Popasnaya, came close to Debaltseve. This means that in two to five days they will cut off Lugansk from Donetsk as a whole. 1-2 tanks destroyed, a platoon of destroyed infantry, a couple of shot down attack aircraft do not specifically decide. Operational initiative completely in the hands of the APU.
The only thing that can save is an attack on Donetsk with tank columns. But I am 100% sure that this will not happen. When it becomes clear that Donetsk will get into the full ring, Slavyansk-2 will repeat. If Lugansk can hold out by this time.

[alicante11]

What and how?

Why was Mozgovoy's detachment taken out of Lisichansk? Free the troops blocking the cauldron. This is called "internal communications operations".

Alik. Can you analyze the operational situation on the card?

There is some.

Ukrainians are already close to Gorlovka, the nearest village near Gorlovka Mayorsk was already taken two or three days ago.

So what? It’s not the first day that they have stormed Gorlovka. The city is large enough, suitable for defense, and I think that they will not surrender it.

The Ukrainian army took Popasnaya, closely approached Debaltseve.

Firstly, I didn’t see the capture of Popasna on Strelkov’s resources. Secondly, Popasnaya is somewhat off the road to Debaltseve. Of course, it hangs over this road, but when did it stop the dill? At the expense of Debaltseve - there is a road to the south, through Torez - Shakhtersk. Although I think that Debaltseve will not be surrendered, nevertheless, the indicated road is a troop of troops who clean the boiler. She is needed.

Lysychansky ledge is gone.

Firstly, there is, as it turns out. And secondly, I said two weeks ago that we must move away from there.

This means that in two to five days they will cut off Lugansk from Donetsk entirely

I do not think this is critical. For two reasons.
1. The boiler can be cleaned from Lugansk, if you look at the map, you will understand. Although they now manage the operation and supply from Donetsk, it is possible to transfer units to another command, but to establish supply it is necessary to resolve issues in the Lutugino area.
2. Now the issue is not already in the supply. A group of militias has been created and it will fight. Supplies are important only as supplies and replenishment of existing units. If Donetsk created normal supply reserves, and there was time for it, then 1-2 weeks even a complete blockade will not break the resistance of the city’s defenders. And by this time, the boiler will have been cleaned up precisely and the Lugansk residents will be able to launch a counterattack.

[alone]

And so Strelkov called Bolotov incompetent, and accused him of having so many tanks and artillery that he allowed the enemy to encircle Lugansk and block roads to Donetsk. Appealing Strelkov's reports, you refer only to those reports that are beneficial to you in disputes with opponents.
And how do you explain Strelkov’s reports that the war was strategically lost?

[alicante11]

And so Strelkov called Bolotov incompetent, and accused him of having so many tanks and artillery that he allowed the enemy to encircle Lugansk and block roads to Donetsk.

Most likely, disassembly due to the departure of the brain. Brain submits to Lugansk, but withdrew by order of Strelkov. Although I didn’t see such charges in Strelkov’s summary, as well as the capture of the enemy Popasna.

You refer only to those reports that are beneficial to you in disputes with opponents.

This is not true.

And how do you explain Strelkov’s reports that the war was strategically lost?

He used to say that Strelkov pretends to be weak in order to draw the enemy’s forces to Slavyansk. Now I do not know. Although, given the fact that dill suddenly climbed into Donetsk, easing pressure on Lugansk, it is quite possible that this worked again.
But you understand that the commander will never openly shout that "everything is lost." Because this will give the enemy a reason to increase the pressure, even if he doubted whether it was possible. And if he does speak, then it is beneficial to him for some strategic or tactical reasons.

[Freemason]

Quote: Starfish

"The worst predictions come true, b ... even if you don't read or watch TV, some experiences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Strelkova needs to listen, everything that says goes on.
then without large-scale assistance from the Russian state - in the future there will be a repetition of leaving the encircled Slavyansk, now from Donetsk.
and our leadership is not up to it, because "there is no immediate threat to territorial integrity and sovereignty" ... to fight like this near Moscow - is this the logic of our Security Council?

Quote: kostik1301

What kind of nonsense did the GDP bring to the Security Council that no one threatens everything well, and that he will meet enemies near Moscow, it would help Strelkov now later it will be easier ... Or, nevertheless, he will merge New Russia ...

Despite all the hatred of the Nazis and wild chest pain for all the Slav brothers who are repelling them, I agree with our president ...
The trouble is that Slavyansk, Donetsk and Lugansk are not RUSSIA !!! Yes ... This is not part of R.F. And those who do not understand this are naive fools who believe that we are merging our brothers. Russia and structures have never forbidden to help militias, nor did anyone intercept aid, food, clothing, equipment, medicines and weapons. We (officially) do not participate in a military operation to protect civilians. There are our people who voluntarily went there. And these are specialists! and what they do is officially called mercenary! Did not know ? Of course they didn’t know ... we can only speak out loud on the net. And which of you commenters honestly helped? who brought humanitarian aid, who organized the crossing and escort?
I once wrote that "the old people are sitting and waiting for the command" even when there were unrest in May. So we waited and the old men drove off ... But our country is not there. There are residents of the not yet recognized Dombas, and many still believe in Kiev ... This is the alignment .. A deep bow to Strelkov and his soldiers. In St. Petersburg, many of his friends are watching him, those who could not go with him, everyone is worried about praying and helping as best they can.
And in conclusion ... We are not victorious when the people are one.

[DPZ]

not RUSSIA so what? Are there many Russians? Does the whole country worry about it? and if all the people (almost all) are worried about this problem, then this is the problem of our country! and we are able to help. we have enough weapons to share with the militia.

[P-38]

The fact that Strelkova can be defeated, I do not believe. To press - it is possible, to force to recede - it is possible, to break - no. No one, they don’t have such people. And do not make a tragedy of the retreat of the militias.

[vovan50]

"The trouble is that Slavyansk, Donetsk and Lugansk are not RUSSIA !!!"
I forgot or did not know, but Slavyansk, Donetsk, Lugansk, and even Kiev and Odessa and Kharkov, this is RUSSIA !!! And the people who live there are mostly Russian people, who were forcibly torn from Russia and rubbed into them for 23 years that they are not Russia and that Russia is the enemy. It is not surprising that many of them believe in this and fight for the Ukrainian fascists, it is surprising that there are still those who rose up against them and consider themselves to be part of the Russian world, i.e. part of Russia. The fact that under the conditions of force majeure was signed against the will of the people in 1991 did not give a damn and forget, these papers do not matter what! Russia should begin to recover and the sooner the better, otherwise there will be no those who feel like Russian in the republics, propaganda is furious, I know by myself. And if Russia does not recover, it will not last long. The peoples of the USSR or the Russian Empire need to unite, single-handedly reshuffle everyone, including what remains of Russia, I mean the Russian Federation.

[serega73]

Farmason is right. A small part of the population is fighting, the main part is sitting and waiting where the swing will swing. They will drive the Natsiks - they will join the militias to drive the Natsiks, well, and if, God forbid, of course, the security forces crush the resistance, then the main thing is not to be noticed in sympathy with the militia. And then the neighbors will swoop where they should. There was material on the site, from the Lugansk militia, when they drive around the city with mortars and fight with the security forces. A lot of men sit and calmly drink beer, just contemplating the situation. For example, I have no confidence that the introduction of Russian troops into the southeast will receive the support of the local population. Rather, on the contrary, they will be dirty as far as possible. Knowing that the whole Western world will take up arms against Russia.

[Freemason]

Dear vovan50 ... I didn’t want to offend you or anyone else ... but I will repeat NOW Lugansk, Slavyansk, Donetsk is not RUSSIA. Yes, Russian-speaking citizens live there, yes there are Russians. But according to the passport, OFFICIALLY they are citizens of a neighboring state named Ukraine. And it doesn’t matter when and to whom it was given. There is no Russian Empire, just as there is no USSR. and let it sound cynical .. But personally, I do not care what happened before. This cannot be returned. The question is what are we doing NOW. And now we are throwing accusations against each other on the Internet. Half of you are office workers, students and just people reading this resource.
As I said earlier in comments, I have a specific work. I am a former military man and continue to engage in civil work in this path. And when I read the statements that we betrayed someone ... They betrayed us in Afghanistan, in Chechnya, now they are betraying the fraternal people. And we are not betrayed by the state machine, not by the army. We are betrayed by our own people. Want an example? CRIMEA the simplest example 90% said for. Who did not agree, he left. I will repeat again for those who blindly believe in ideals. With many in the Donbas, MANY believe in KIEV and those who are sitting there. how do I know? But I can’t get my relatives out of there, because the stubborn sheep believe that we are deceiving them until a shell falls on their head.
You can blame but Truth remains Truth, no matter how bitter it may be.

[bistrov.]

Quote: Farmason

The trouble is that Slavyansk, Donetsk and Lugansk are not RUSSIA !!! Yes..

But the United States does not bother too much when it announced that "the whole world" is a zone of American interests. It should be simpler, it is easier to live, to respond to the blow with a blow, and many times the strongest.

[Freemason]

And who told you that we are not responding? Why can everyone read only between the lines, or just what is beneficial to them? Want to win? so let's go win. Together, everyone!
Do you know why America is so cool? Because we are fools. Remember how America mastered? No ? to remind? Such smart and enlightened people who brought democracy came and bought a native and their will, culture and land for cheap beads of mirror and trinket.
Do you yourself begin to compare or start telling the story again?

[the polar]

Quote: Farmason

Despite all the hatred of the Nazis and wild chest pain for all the Slav brothers who are repelling them, I agree with our president ...
The trouble is that Slavyansk, Donetsk and Lugansk are not RUSSIA !!!

Well, God forgive me.
He himself understands what carries, or raves sickly

[Inmar1974]

According to Putin, something like this "everything is calm in Baghdad."

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Starfish

Strelkova needs to listen, everything that says goes on.

He listened to Saakashvilli and realized we will win

[the polar]

Quote: Starfish

and our leadership is not up to it, because "there is no immediate threat to territorial integrity and sovereignty" ... to fight like this near Moscow - is this the logic of our Security Council?

Evidently, the Kremlin commander-in-chief decided to lure them into Moscow in Kutuzov, and then continue in Susan's style.
Sly as hell, he came up with such a plan that no enemy would guess, and friends all the more

[Ram chandra]

What do you suggest? To intervene in a once once friendly country? Just an impudent capture of the territory. Of course, I understand that whoever is strong is right, but for me - if I am Ukrainian - then there will be no difference - the Germans attacked the Russians or the Russians are fascists.

[Sword]

And speaking of cleanliness. That is exactly what happened with Crimea. So I have a question, why are Russians in the Donbass worse than Russians in the Crimea? Why were we not afraid of intervention in a neighboring country, but are we afraid here? And yet, do not be mistaken that Ukraine is a country friendly to Russia. All 23 years she positioned herself as AntiRussia. I have relatives in the Donbass. I went there every summer and listened to their television and radio. The state of Ukraine has always been a fierce enemy for Russia. And this abscess broke through now. If we retreat, we will get a war with them in the near future. Conflict is inevitable, especially after the annexation of Crimea.

[Twice RUSSIAN]

Not a valid comparison. The potential of the USSR cannot be compared with LND and the DNI.

[armageddon]

Hmm ... Natsik WANTED to suppress Novorossia in a month - NOT RECEIVED !!! So here ... Neither of which the Maidan will not work !!!

[Weniamin]

Quote: herruvim

In 1941, near Moscow, many also did not think that in 1945 they would celebrate the victory in Berlin

But there is a significant difference. The Soviet Union possessed great economic and human resources. And the patriotic upsurge of the population was incomparable with the Donbass and Lugansk. The whole country rose to war with the fascists. And in New Russia, I didn’t notice such a rise. And there are not many resources there.

[lukewarm]

The wrong country was. And Stalin was. And the fifth column was cleaned before the war. Now I think that in the near future it will only remain to sell their lives more expensive. Something like this. Alas.

[the polar]

Quote: herruvim

In 1941, near Moscow, many also did not think that in 1945 they would celebrate the victory in Berlin

In 1941, Stalin was in the Kremlin, not a gang of liberal privatizers who stole billions

[We Remember]

True noticed!

[Matroskin 18]

Strelkov does the right thing, which takes experienced fighters out of a useless meat grinder. They, with their experience, will prove more than once that they survived for good reason - this is a fact!

[P-38]

Quote: Matroskin 18

Strelkov does the right thing, which takes experienced fighters out of a useless meat grinder.

It also seems to me that one should not dramatize the retreat and loss of some territories. Yes, in the regions of Ukraine there is no mass movement against Kiev yet. But Strelkova also has no opportunity to break Kiev, I think. And time works for us, not for Kiev. Why did they announce the mobilization? They are very bad

[uhu189]

They are preparing for the Crimea, or rather for a peacekeeping operation to free the Crimea from illegal annexation, and for this mobilization. They plan to start a couple of months for preparation and by September-October.
And time is playing against us, the USA is throwing a tighter rope, and we are losing it stupidly.

[kergudu straight]

Quote: uhu189

They are preparing for the Crimea, or rather for a peacekeeping operation to free the Crimea from illegal annexation, and for this mobilization. They plan to start a couple of months for preparation and by September-October.
And time is playing against us, the USA is throwing a tighter rope, and we are losing it stupidly.

It sounds tempting, Ukraine is preparing to go to war with Russia, of course, they will stand up and go, but statements like a testament sound that Russia wants to draw into the war and hang up the restoration of the destruction of it everyone has long known that it seems that banderlogs want to foist Russia a piece of rotten fat, as it’s easier not to repay debts, go to Crimea and surrender, there’s no one to claim money from, it’s not possible to claim debts from yourself, zapadentsy under Poland, Romanians, Austrians will lie down and deny that they not Ukraine, but they will not give away geyvrop and money, they will accuse Putin of appendage that Ukraine was divided

[aleks 62]

..... The airport is of course a pity .... But in fact it had to be mixed MLRS .... Anyway, then rebuild .... And it wouldn’t hurt to knock right-wing goats with shit ...

[kostik1301]

What kind of nonsense did the GDP bring to the Security Council that no one threatens everything well, and that he will meet enemies near Moscow, it would help Strelkov now later it will be easier ... Or, nevertheless, he will merge New Russia ...

[341712]

And then they kicked out the journalists and talked about the case very well ....

[Giant thought]

Lately there have been bad news, but this is a war with an adversary who has an overwhelming advantage. Here, our leaders need to think about how to strengthen assistance to New Russia.

[Arberes]

Quote: Thought Giant

Here, our leaders need to think about how to strengthen assistance to New Russia.

Yes, everything is already thought out, changed your mind! I personally think that the main thing here take decision on large deliveries of heavy weapons.

[alicante11]

Yes, you understand, equipment without specialists is iron. And where will people study if everything is shot there by heavy artillery and bombed by airplanes? The created group will have to fight. And not everything is so scary, just forces and means are needed in the south, in the north they hold the defense and retreat. Finish with the boiler, then arrange another dill, which block Lugansk. And Donetsk will stand as a fortress for now. His number three, if not further.

[nizrum]

Strelkov has no strength to crush the southern cauldron. How much is already crushing? If two maximum is crushed during the course of a day, then it will flounder yet, and if not ... it will be necessary to withdraw troops from there to the defense of Donetsk.

[alicante11]

Strelkov has no strength to crush the southern cauldron. How much is already crushing? If two maximum is crushed during the course of a day, then it will flounder yet, and if not ... it will be necessary to withdraw troops from there to the defense of Donetsk.

Little effort, so for a long time, but supply problems are already beginning to affect.

[Arberes]

Quote: alicante11

Yes, you understand, equipment without specialists is iron.

Yes, I understand that. To do this, training centers for their preparation should be created and have long been functioning, naturally on our territory.

Quote: alicante11

Finish with the boiler, then arrange another dill,

See respected answer nizrum

Quote: nizrum

Strelkov has no strength to crush the southern cauldron. How much is already crushing?

The boilers must be crushed with heavy artillery and armored vehicles, and preferably after several attacks by attack aircraft.
You do not find that everything is too simple and easy for you? They’ll smash here, then they’ll go and smash there. Then another boiler will arrange another dill?
Poroshenko announced yet another mobilization, is that talking to you about something ???

[alicante11]

Yes, I understand that. To do this, training centers for their preparation should be created and have long been functioning, naturally on our territory.

In commodity quantities SECRETLY do not prepare. Specialists are prepared, of course, and they themselves must infantry.

See the respected nizrum's answer

I answered him.

The boilers must be crushed with heavy artillery and armored vehicles, and preferably after several attacks by attack aircraft.

And what do they crush with? In Zelenopil what, from Saur-Grave? Yu Under Krasnodon? You at least look at Strelkov’s reports. There is not as much equipment as we would like, but it is.

You do not find that everything is too simple and easy for you? They’ll smash here, then they’ll go and smash there. Then another boiler will arrange another dill?

So these are the basics of martial art, to focus forces on the direction of the main blow. The Germans in the WWI gave everyone an ... request using internal communications. And this despite the fact that they were inferior to the Entente in all respects. Why are we worse?

Poroshenko announced yet another mobilization, is that talking to you about something ???

Yes, and equipment from the east. drives Europe. And this speaks of losses and that they DO NOT MANAGE with available means and forces. And can’t do it, I hope.

[Arberes]

Quote: alicante11

And what do they crush with? In Zelenopil what, from Saur-Grave? Yu Under Krasnodon? You at least look at Strelkov’s reports. There is not as much equipment as we would like, but it is.

Sorry for the late reply, I just got home from work. And I read reports and eagerly catch news. One artillery striking from a commanding height in all directions and a dozen pieces of armored vehicles are not enough for this. This boiler was formed by the incredible stupidity of the ukrogeneralov. Climbed on the most do not play around and sit waiting until they are unlocked. The junta, judging by the reports, again launched an offensive and the main battles are taking place in the area of ​​the dominant height "Saur-Mogila" (the name is terribly fascinating). Donetsk airport with the Ukropsky garrison has been unblocked, several more settlements near Donetsk are occupied. Only a blind man cannot see that the position of the army of Novorossiya is very difficult and they clearly do not have enough forces for all fronts and boilers. Poroshenko's noose is shrinking!

Quote: alicante11

Yes, and equipment from the east. drives Europe. And this speaks of losses and that they DO NOT MANAGE with available means and forces.

Yes, I agree, it speaks of losses and also says that the Southeast will be crushed up and down to the end. The army of Novorossia will have no chance without serious support from Russia!

Quote: alicante11

And can’t do it, I hope.

I hope too! Here I fully agree with you!

[alicante11]

This cauldron was formed by the incredible stupidity of ukrogeneralov.

Sorry, but I covered this question in another post. I don’t want to repeat myself, look through the profile for comments, it was not so long ago, about three or four days ago. This is not stupidity, there are no fools, this is a calculation that did not materialize.

Only the blind can not see that the position of the army of Novorossia is very difficult and they clearly lack forces on all fronts and boilers. Poroshenko’s noose is shrinking!

So who is against something? Difficult but not hopeless! And Strelkov talks about "bravura statements." But he also says "not to be discouraged".

Yes, I agree, it speaks of losses and also says that the Southeast will be crushed up and down to the end. The army of Novorossia will have no chance without serious support from Russia!

Everything is possible; in war, one always wins. But there are chances.

[Arberes]

Quote: alicante11

This is not stupidity, there are no fools, this is a calculation that did not materialize.

Well I do not know. To advance deep into the territory of the enemy, and even under the pressure over all their crazy march-heights (Saur-Mogila)?
Did you know that the height is strengthening? Americans probably advise images from space?
Still, this is a big nonsense.

Their calculation was not justified.
There is a big loss counting!

That's it, I went to sleep however! Good night, dear alicante11 (4).

[Arberes]

Quote: alicante11

So these are the basics of martial art, to focus forces on the direction of the main blow. The Germans in the WWI gave everyone an ... request using internal communications. And this despite the fact that they were inferior to the Entente in all respects. Why are we worse?

Together with the Germans (for your information), the Austro-Hungarian monarchy fought shoulder to shoulder. So the forces of the Entente and the German-Austrian Union (even Turkey harmed) were approximately equal! The German warriors are desperate and strong, here I agree with you. And again, all their successes were in the first half of the military campaigns, and then, well, of course you know how it all ended. But this is a story.

[alicante11]

Together with the Germans (for your information), the Austro-Hungarian monarchy fought shoulder to shoulder.

And in the Entente were England. France and Russia. Moreover, the Americans partially made deliveries. You look at the population and the power of industry. even without amers the Germans were beaten, like God, a tortoise.
At the expense of all sorts of "allies" nemetskmkh. It would be better if they remained neutral (I mean, for the Germans). And then the Kaiser of the same Belova with the troops shook as a "fire brigade" from the Carpathians to the Alps. And also the Austrians could not cope with the Serbs without the Germans. I am already silent about the Turks. if not for the German ships and sailors and military advisers, over Istanbul would have been Constantinople.

[Arberes]

Quote: alicante11

Moreover, the Americans partially made deliveries.

Well, the Americans got involved already in the middle of events. And in my opinion this turned out to be a decisive fact. Why? All the same, the forces were approximately equal! The fighting has slipped to positional. This war was also called a trench.
The artillery of the opposing sides was grinding each other on black, there was no more strength for decisive blows. America supported the allies with fresh divisions and, above all, weapons and food. The economy of Germany, and indeed of Austria-Hungary, could not stand this last blow from the States. Russia, too, went into the scam, heavy casualties, impoverishment of the people and the undermining of the economy, and then the revolution.

[alicante11]

Well, the Americans got involved already in the middle of events. And in my opinion this turned out to be a decisive fact. Why? All the same, the forces were approximately equal! The fighting has slipped to positional. This war was also called a trench.

You will read how the Americans were armed, equipped and how they fought, this is, as they say in Odessa, "pure laughter" :). In general, the Germans were stupidly bred for the Orange Revolution. After all, they even signed a truce not on their territory.

[GSH-18]

Quote: RUSS

Worst forecasts come true, b ... at least do not read and do not watch TV, some experiences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spakuha! Dill still grab to the fullest! It can not be in any other way. This provocation with the plane confused all the cards. Dill sat on the eve of three boilers, and now they are advancing. Well, nothing, it's not for long. Even the Serbs (about 250 fighters!) Came to help New Russia! Hang on guys! ALL RUSSIA is for you!

[AQUARIUS 65]

RUSS
Worst forecasts come true ... some experiences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No need to worry so much, dear. This is very bad for your overall health. If only they could share with the members of the forum what "worst forecasts" are, as I understand yours, come true. For example, the Galicians have something that they could not think of quite recently.

Coffins with the bodies of the murdered Zapadendtse continue to come to Galicia every day. However, most of the coffins do not reach, because the 24th brigade, which was stationed in Yavoriv in the Luvov region before the war and was staffed by immigrants from the Western Ukrainian regions, now, without a commander who fled from the battlefield, dies in the Izvarinsky cauldron. Such a war, of course, does not like the Galicians. With much greater pleasure they would have burned in the sheds the inhabitants of Russian and Belarusian villages, as they did during the war, and to fight in the encirclement is not for them. July 22, after the adoption by the Verkhovna Rada of the law on partial mobilization in the Carpathian region, an anti-mobilization uprising began.

What is characteristic of the “rebels” is that they demand that they not take their husbands and sons to war, not because they have to kill civilians in their own country, but because they are not provided with good body armor and three meals a day.

[King]

And don't say it all upset yourself

[Antor]

Yes, b ..., I’m watching how the face-wise Ukrainian machos from Lugansk and Donetsk regions flee to Russia, instead of defending their land from the Nazis and I understand Strelkov, he really lacks strength and when is ours
the leadership almost swears that not a single cartridge came from Russia, that this is the civil war of Ukraine, and we are on the sidelines, what can be expected in the end ..

[Black Colonel]

that not a single cartridge came from Russia
But what, it is necessary to shout that we supply ammunition, we provide intelligence, we send volunteers, etc.? In diplomacy, my friend, silence is gold and gold.

[lukewarm]

Maybe not macho, but just CH "M" O. My family rented an apartment from there. Yes, not a thin tovarisch.

[aleksfill]

What do you call the worst forecasts? Lack of confirmation of Russian assistance?

[alicante11]

The 79th OAEMBr is completely destroyed in a copper.
It will soon become easier, Brain will help too, we hold fists for the militias.

http://warfiles.ru/show-64546-79-ya-brigada-polnostyu-pogibla-v-izvarinskom-kotl
e.html

[portoc65]

Nothing comes true. There is one thing in all the successes of the Ukrainian army: how much money will be enough to carry out a punitive operation .. Now time is working for the militia ... the farther the more difficult it is to hide the truth. Look, the Yankee intelligence has admitted that there is no evidence of Russia's involvement to the death of Boeing. Western journalists changed their rhetoric. Already not terrorists but rebels. Yet not yet.

[portoc65]

Nothing comes true. There is one thing in all the successes of the Ukrainian army: how much money will be enough to carry out a punitive operation .. Now time is working for the militia ... the farther the more difficult it is to hide the truth. Look, the Yankee intelligence has admitted that there is no evidence of Russia's involvement to the death of Boeing. Western journalists changed their rhetoric. Already not terrorists but rebels. Yet not yet.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: RUSS

at least do not read and do not watch TV

Yeah, and who comes is not clear at all ...

[skate]

You're right. I wish that was good !!!!

[1812 1945]

Quote: RUSS

Worst forecasts come true, b ... at least do not read and do not watch TV, some experiences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now the main thing is that the "Kremlin readers" have such experiences, and they - these experiences - are embodied in the right decisions to save Novorossiya!

[Alekseev]

Quote: RUSS

Worst forecasts come true

Strelkov, in general, does everything in science.
He should not keep the towns at the cost of losing a few (unfortunately) his troops. Except for strategic positions, of course. (supply, etc.)
The militia has no chance in the field because of its small size, lack of aircraft, and there are not so many heavy weapons.
The actions of the militias are not aimed at keeping all settlements in a row, but mainly to cause losses the enemy, to attack him from the rear, the rout of his communication.
Only big ones unacceptable, losses can cause discontent in Svidomo and not very popular, and there, you see the excitement, rebellion, and negotiations to end the bloodshed. After all, the war will end anyway, most importantly, where will its banderlogs begin?
But in any case, to survive, you need 20-30 thousand fighters. There is armament, but howitzers, tanks and ammunition are located.

[alone]

Quote: Alekseev

He should not keep the towns at the cost of losing a few (unfortunately) his troops.

You contradict yourself. You say that it works according to science, and then you say that you should not hold the towns because there are not enough forces. Let's go in order.
It all started with Slavyansk. Then they handed it over. As soon as the Slavyansk front collapsed. We left Kramatorsk, my friend, Konstantinovka. The operational space for the Armed Forces was opened. Walk the field, as they say, turn wherever you want. Then Artemovsk fell. The loss of Seversk led to what It’s happening in the Lysychansk direction. The most interesting thing is that the brain and many Lysychansk left, and part of the militia did not follow his order and stayed there. Well, the city could have been kept if it had not been surrendered to Popasnaya, a town by your standards, but strategically most important more than any of the cities they hold.

Quote: Alekseev

But in any situation, to survive, you need 20-30 thousand fighters. There is armament, but howitzers, tanks and ammunition are located.

I won’t argue about the number of people. Do you not notice some kind of strangeness? The multimillion-dollar oblasts failed to put under arms 30 thousand people.
As for tanks and howitzers. This weapon is not a wallet to find them. Hence, another oddity. Some complain that even small arms, and you say that there will be weapons.

[Rigla]

Well, then you have to retreat sometimes, the main thing is not to dissolve the snot. We will win!

[Deniska999]

Either ours will increase tacit help, or in a month the DNI and LC will cease to exist.

[Wellych]

or in a month DNI and LC

or a week earlier the whole krajina.
That - which is impossible to misrepresent - is there full-time intelligence officers of the Russian Federation, what are they doing there if the Feisty wants to merge New Russia? DNI and LC became republics, even in the eyes of the American establishment, do not turn your back on this. Why the Furious does not introduce what he has where he needs to enter? ... I don’t know, I want to believe that he is more introduction.

[pg4]

And why Putin DNI and LC, if soon the whole Ukraine kerdyk. I feel sorry for people , well, nothing man enough in Russia.

[Russ69]

Quote: Deniska999

in a month, the DNI and LC will cease to exist.

Here is the relief that the Kremlin will have. There is no New Russia, no one needs help anymore. Lafa ...

[zzz]

Quote: Russ69

Here is the relief that the Kremlin will have. There is no New Russia, no one needs help anymore. Lafa ...

They will be fine, but us? I can’t even imagine what will happen if New Russia does not defeat the Nazis. I don’t even want to think about it.

[Russ69]

Quote: zzz

I can’t even imagine what will happen if New Russia does not defeat the Nazis. I don’t even want to think about it.

Yes, there will be nothing. some will start to resent, others justify the GDP, as they are doing now. But most of the population do not care, there is stability, salaries are paid ...

[alone]

Quote: Russ69

Yes, there will be nothing. some will start to resent, others justify the GDP, as they are doing now. But most of the population do not care, there is stability, salaries are paid ...

In fact, you are right. The community consists mainly of those who do not care what happens to a neighbor on the porch.

[atalef]

Quote: lonely

In fact, you are right. The community consists mainly of those who do not care what happens to a neighbor on the porch.

Because the problem is not that my cow is dead, but that THE NEIGHBOR IS LIVING

[alicante11]

If they did not want to help, they would not help.

[net abortion]

Quote: Rigla

We will win!

And our corrupt oligarchs!

Russian oligarchs are fighting against Donbass militias

The original is taken from alik_shade in YAROSLAVSKY DIESEL FIGHT AGAINST PEOPLE IN DONBASS


Kharkiv Transport Engineering Plant named after V. A. Malyshev dozens and hundreds sends tanks to the Donbass to fight with militias. It is difficult to calculate how many civilians were killed specifically from Kharkov tanks, but the fact that the tanks fired and continue to shoot at civilians is an undeniable fact.



At the same time, cooperation between the Kharkov tank factory and Russian partners continues. Recently, a large batch of diesel engines for tanks manufactured by the Yaroslavl diesel equipment plant was delivered to Kharkov. It is significant that the YAZDA website has information on cooperation with such enterprises as Avtodiesel, KAMAZ, Altaydizel, Minsk and Tutaevsky motor plants. The Malyshev plant prudently does not appear on the lists, but two independent sources confirmed that information about the YAZDA equipment being installed on Ukrainian tanks.


Yaroslavl Diesel Equipment Plant part of the GAZ group, which, in turn, belongs to the big oligarch Oleg Deripaska.

An oligarchy has already been established in Ukraine,
even adherents of the regime admit this.


Is everything possible in the oligarchs in Russia too, and while all of Russia is collecting assistance for refugees from the Donbass, Deripaska is doing everything to increase the number of these refugees?

[SibRUS]

I have already completely ceased to understand what is really happening there after such comments by Strelkov:

About Bolotov: I am not used to criticizing "for the eyes", but I have reliable information that this person is not only incompetent as a military leader, but also absolutely does not want to work for a common cause. I collected a bunch of armored vehicles "for myself" and allowed them to surround us from all sides and cut off our supply routes. For reference, he has so many tanks and guns that, with such a number, it would be enough for us to firmly hold the front from Donetsk to Lisichansk and not allow the Ukrainians to advance so quickly.

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: SibRUS

I have already completely ceased to understand what is really happening there after such comments by Strelkov:

About Bolotov: I am not used to criticizing "for the eyes", but I have reliable information that this person is not only incompetent as a military leader, but also absolutely does not want to work for a common cause. I collected a bunch of armored vehicles "for myself" and allowed them to surround us from all sides and cut off our supply routes. For reference, he has so many tanks and guns that, with such a number, it would be enough for us to firmly hold the front from Donetsk to Lisichansk and not allow the Ukrainians to advance so quickly.

I also don’t understand why the DPR and LPR have not united until now, because they have one enemy. And to beat him together would be easier.

[alone]

Quote: SibRUS

I have already completely ceased to understand what is really happening there after such comments by Strelkov:

redistribution of influence. Strelkov wants to transfer his people to the posts, which is so strange.

[avg]

Is everything possible in the oligarchs in Russia too, and while all of Russia is collecting assistance for refugees from the Donbass, Deripaska is doing everything to increase the number of these refugees?

Deripaska is a rare bastard. For a long time already, at least, he should follow the path of Khodorkovsky, but he is twisted and continues to milk the country.

[net abortion]

Quote: avg

Deripaska is a rare bastard. For a long time already, at least, he should follow the path of Khodorkovsky, but he is twisted and continues to milk the country.

Moreover !!!

Like german gref (couple.it kind of)

-finances Ukrainian junta-
at the expense of Sberbank.(just mess)

I give excerpts- (anyone interested in the link)


http://lunin812.livejournal.com/487080.html

Despite,-
that Ukraine, under its current government, has actually become an unfriendly state for Russia,
which carries out a punitive operation against pro-Russian southeastern regions,
branches of the Russian Sberbank continue to operate in Kiev and other large Ukrainian cities.

The business of a banking structure led by domestic ultra-liberal German Gref,
in conditions of the junta, it’s not only not rotten, but on the contrary, is developing successfully.

Thus, according to the Izvestia publication, all seven Ukrainian branches of Sberbank of Russia show enviable profits. And this is against the background of losses of local credit institutions, including the largest Privatbank and Oschadbank.
As it turned out, the secret to German Gref’s success in Nezalezhnaya is to a large extent connected with large credit projects.

It turns out that the Russian Sberbank has opened a credit line to the government of Ukraine for the modernization of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex and the re-equipment of the army.
...
However, according to some experts, Gref went too far so as not to notice the background of recent geopolitical events. in it is an agent of Western influence.

Thus, according to the famous economist and consultant Vladislav Zhukovsky, “the election of German Gref to the international council of the largest bank not only in the USA, but also in the world indicates that transnational capital, the largest international financial institutions, and global corporations monitor the situation very closely Russian economy. They have their own completely objective from a commercial point of view, long-term and large-scale interests in Russia and want to exert maximum influence on the domestic political and domestic economic processes of our country.

Gref, as a man of ultra-liberal views, a supporter of market voluntarism, is for JP Morgan Chase and world business sharks a mouthpiece and spokesman for the interests of global business, "
(many other interesting facts at the link above)

[family tree]

They do not make tank diesels at YAZDA, they don’t make engines at all, this is a fuel equipment plant, not a motor one. According to the high-pressure fuel pump, judging by the manufactured products, at 6 and 5td, there is nothing to cram

[Rock2]

If they don’t, then it turns out to run into Deripaska. So to say, the preparation of public opinion (for starters) ...

[Inmar1974]

Quote: net abort

Quote: Rigla

We will win!

And our corrupt oligarchs!

Russian oligarchs are fighting against Donbass militias

The original is taken from alik_shade in YAROSLAVSKY DIESEL FIGHT AGAINST PEOPLE IN DONBASS


Kharkiv Transport Engineering Plant named after V. A. Malyshev dozens and hundreds sends tanks to the Donbass to fight with militias. It is difficult to calculate how many civilians were killed specifically from Kharkov tanks, but the fact that the tanks fired and continue to shoot at civilians is an undeniable fact.



At the same time, cooperation between the Kharkov tank factory and Russian partners continues. Recently, a large batch of diesel engines for tanks manufactured by the Yaroslavl diesel equipment plant was delivered to Kharkov. It is significant that the YAZDA website has information on cooperation with such enterprises as Avtodiesel, KAMAZ, Altaydizel, Minsk and Tutaevsky motor plants. The Malyshev plant prudently does not appear on the lists, but two independent sources confirmed that information about the YAZDA equipment being installed on Ukrainian tanks.


Yaroslavl Diesel Equipment Plant part of the GAZ group, which, in turn, belongs to the big oligarch Oleg Deripaska.

An oligarchy has already been established in Ukraine,
even adherents of the regime admit this.


Is everything possible in the oligarchs in Russia too, and while all of Russia is collecting assistance for refugees from the Donbass, Deripaska is doing everything to increase the number of these refugees?

To whom is war, to whom is mother dear?

[Yaks]

You guys are taking offense for the whole of Russia. .. hold on. ..God will not betray you ...

[K-50]

Quote: yaks

.God will not betray you ...

and the pig will not eat

[saag]

the point is. that tanks will most likely not climb into the building - "bad dumb"

[vezunchik]

they also talked about Slavyansk ...

[saag]

Quote: vezunchik

they also talked about Slavyansk ...

So they did not climb in Slavyansk, blocked it from all sides and destroyed it with artillery

[alicante11]

So they did not climb in Slavyansk, blocked it from all sides and destroyed it with artillery

Donetsk is bigger. And to destroy the city does not mean to take it. Remember Stalingrad.

[RESEARCHER]

Let's hope that ukrovoyaki will be in the next boiler.

[Draz]

This will not give much success, this is how to besiege the fortress without siege weapons. With the current boilers, little can be done, not enough equipment.

[alicante11]

This will not give much success, it is how to besiege a fortress without siege weapons.

Judging by the cries of dill in the south, siege artillery is enough.

[Draz]

Based on the statements of Strelkov I.AND. it is not yet necessary to talk about rectifying the situation "Stably difficult situation" (c)

[zzz]

Putin, in fact, has begun to restore order throughout Russia, and he will not be able to backtrack on this. However, it is also clear that a significant and influential part of his entourage is trying to come to terms with Kiev pro-Western terrorists. Although the example of Yanukovych, Gaddafi, Milosevic, it would seem, should have reasoned them. But no - history teaches us that it teaches nothing.

That's where the traitors are, no worse than the same dill! That's who is stopping Putin, Glazyev, Shoigu ... pursuing a foreign policy, without prejudice to Russia.

[Russ69]

Quote: zzz

Putin, in fact, has begun to restore order throughout Russia, and he will not be able to backtrack on this.

While blah ... blah ... blah is one thing, not putting things in order.

That's where the traitors are, no worse than the same dill! That's who is stopping Putin

Everyone is to blame, but not Putin ...

[zzz]

Quote: Russ69

Everyone is to blame, but not Putin ...

I did not say that...

[dirty trick]

Quote: Russ69

Everyone is to blame, but not Putin ...

and what alternative is there today? Chubais ???

[alicante11]

Obama, or at worst McCain. Everyone who is now against GDP is against Russia and for the Americans.

[virm]

The same Strelkov is still alive. Or Kvachkov, if still alive.

[alicante11]

And where did you get the idea that a good general will be a good president?
And where did you get the idea that Strelkov WANTS to become president? He is not clear about the GDP said?

[dirty trick]

Quote: alicante11

The same Strelkov is still alive. Or Kvachkov, if still alive.

Quote: alicante11

where did you get that a good general would be a good president?

huge + dear !!!
Remember Lebed - at one time he was wildly popular, due to which he became the governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory. I don’t presume to judge his competence as a military leader (he seemed to be quite good), but he was an extremely weak governor!

[virm]

Nevertheless, there is an alternative.
And the life path of these people, to this day (that is, to a possible presidency), is honest and spotless. And about Putin, until the 99th year, in general, little is known.

[alone]

Quote: virm

The same Strelkov is still alive.

For that matter, then you can discuss the candidacy of a woman)))

Damn, well, you give everything, ah !! shooters president of Russia)))

[nizrum]

The king is good, the boyars are bad.
Somewhere I already heard it.

[Dart2027]

It's not about who is bad, but who is good.
The king (namely the king) is the master of the whole country. He does not need to drag it into his pocket, as everything is his way, and the development of the country is the development of his possessions.
Boyarin owns his estate and is interested in developing this particular estate, and the country is in the second place, and this is the best case.
In general, the history of the Middle Ages is feudal fragmentation.

[Skvor]

Poorly. Very bad. Now the junta will bawl about a great change

[Fuse]

She’s been beating them every day, even when hundreds of soldiers are turning Grad into forcemeat. UkroSMI ate aboriginal brains.

[shishakova]

God help true national defenders ...
Health, courage, wisdom to you, dear Igor Ivanovich!

[USSR 1971]

The tactical success of the junta will not correct the strategic ... in the geopolitics and economy of the independent. Ordinary citizens of Ukraine will not get any better off of this, and the DNI militia will take its own, they are at home.

[Wolka]

when the 1:10 power ratio has no other way out, it’s better to keep what is still combat ready than to run randomly and lose everything

[navara399]

Learn dill to fight, crush armored vehicles, artillery. They will not go to the city until it is razed to the ground. It’s hard for Strelkov, if only he wouldn’t break.

[Starfish]

The shooters will not break.
our government is the weak link.

[kostik1301]

Dill will have the American tactics of the survived land, until they level the Donetsk, they go no further .... correctly noticed ........

[Old Cynic]

Donetsk will not be leveled, Donetsk will go underground ...

[divangeneral]

How to turn the tide in Novorossia without the intervention of Russian troops?

In the eyes of the couch general. the main problems of the Opolentsians are: 1) lack of reliable supplies and rear and 2) significant superiority of Ukrainian troops in numbers and equipment around Lugansk and Donetsk.

About such things. as the absence of the backbone of the army of New Russia in the form of experienced specialists of the main military specialties and the unwillingness of a significant part of the local population to take up arms to protect their home. keep silence.

Also a problem seems to be the lack of a unified command of the DPR and LPR troops.

By and large. now there is a war of extermination, the result of which will depend on that. who has more resources - military and human.

What could theoretically be done about it?

1. It is necessary to achieve diplomatic recognition of the DPR and LPR by Abkhazia and Transnistria.

This is necessary for that. to ensure the supply of weapons (captured Ukrainian-Georgian equipment from South Ossetia) to the DPR and LPR. South Ossetia has already recognized the DNI and LC, the next step needs to be taken. Abkhazia is needed here for the logistics of 6 delivery of equipment by sea through Mariupol (though for these purposes Mariupol will have to be beaten off one way or another).

2. to reduce the concentration of troops around Donetsk and Lugansk. need to open a second front. and a third is better. so that part of the troops was forced to retreat to new hot spots.

What could be the direction - Kharkov and Odessa.

Why Kharkov: this is the last truly pro-Russian city. where else could a referendum be theoretically possible (of course, after clearing it of Ukrainian forces).

Also, do not underestimate the defense potential of Kharkov: now tanks and self-propelled guns for the Ukrainian army are being repaired there. it would be good to deprive them of this resource and put it at the service of New Russia. Kharkovites could replenish Strelkov’s army.

Why Odessa: in general terms, do not forget about that. what they did to Odessa residents on 2 in May ... I think. they remember. The strategic importance of the port of Odessa for military supplies by sea is also clear. Judging by the information. Now the Poles are driving their equipment there.

How to do it in practice: probably. It would be effective if Transnistria would act on the side of New Russia after recognition of the conflict. Transnistria borders on Odessa region. Geographically, it is sandwiched between Moldova and Ukraine. who have signed an association with the EU and will soon overcome Transnistria.

By and large, the only chance for Transnistria to survive is to join the New Russia, and ideally through New Russia, to Russia.

Given the Transnistrian ties between Strelkov and Antyufeev, one could resolve this issue and ensure that volunteers from Transnistria enter Odessa and take control of Mariupol.

Thus, a second front would be open.

As for Kharkov, it’s clear that you won’t get there by open march. It is necessary to enter Kharkov in small groups in civilian, weapons separately in caches. all with the help of trusted local sympathizers.

On day D and H, groups arriving in Kharkov could take up arms. put on masks and take the city from the inside, organizing its defense, thereby opening a third front.

After the opening of the second and third fronts. the military situation can radically change in favor of New Russia.

Add to this the economic and political problems of Kiev, where the probability of a third Maidan and a new coup is extremely high, which increases the likelihood of survival of New Russia. After a new coup, the new government will be illegitimate. which will give rise to part of the Ukrainian troops, and so do not want to fight, refuse to comply with criminal orders.

http://narodedin.com/post/Kak-perelomit-voennuju-situaciju-v-Novorossii-/

[victorrat]

Pretty competent plan! Just why didn’t they use it in any way before? But because it would allow Moldova and Hohland to pounce together on Transnistria. Here with South Ossetia it was necessary to consolidate relations. But the militia did not have time. What a pity. Now they only have to retreat and smash in the guerrilla warfare. Because time works for them. If only they could hold out. But premonitions are already quite bad. Politics does not give Putin a chance to send troops. NATO is waiting on both sides. On July 22, after the Verkhovna Rada adopted the law on partial mobilization in the Carpathian region, an anti-mobilization uprising began. In five villages of the Yaremche city council, representatives of local self-government took the side of the protesters.
So, the leaders of the rural settlements of Mikulichin, Vorokhta, Tatarov, Yablunitsa and Polyanitsa publicly burned mobilization certificates and magazines with the results of medical commissions.

[divangeneral]

for Transnistria to leave Moldova to New Russia is the only chance of survival.
it seems that the help of Transnistria to open a second front and the help of South Ossetia with a reverse of arms is the only real chance to turn the tide without the RF Armed Forces

[Basarev]

But as a result of the third Maidan in Kiev, the most rabid Nazis, led by Lyashko, may come to power. And they will not stop before anyone. One of the few ways to really end the war is to liberate Kiev.

[alone]

Quote: divangeneral

Given the Transnistrian ties between Strelkov and Antyufeev, one could resolve this issue and ensure that volunteers from Transnistria enter Odessa and take control of Mariupol.

And you didn’t think that if Pridnestrovie starts to go to Odessa, then the Romanians and Moldovans will not miss this chance.
And also, where is Odessa, where is Mariupol. You should first look at the map.

[Mountain shooter]

When you fight with an opponent who is obviously outnumbering, it’s stupid to fight in an open field. We must occupy the best tactical position. Stalingrad taught everyone. Except dill.

[uhu189]

Behind the troops in Stalingrad, the whole country was backed by the most powerful artillery group on the opposite bank of the Volga, constant attacks on the northern flank of the Germans, plus supply and replenishment, poorly poorly - but the losses were a little covered. And now answer the question - is this all with Strelkov? And what to do with the civilians remaining in Donetsk, who will sit without water, food and light.

[alicante11]

Behind the troops in Stalingrad, the whole country was backed by a powerful artillery group on the opposite bank of the Volga, constant attacks on the northern flank of the Germans, plus supply and replenishment, it was badly poor - but the losses were slightly covered.

The art group in fact is in place, and in the rear of New Russia ALL ALL.

[Associate Professor]

I wonder why, for so much time, the blockades of the airport of the warriors there have not been destroyed?

[Starfish]

probably because there were as many dill at the airport as there were militias directly in Donetsk. the rest is on the front line.

[Associate Professor]

Quote: Starfish

probably because there were as many dill at the airport as there were militias directly in Donetsk. the rest is on the front line.

The militia has multiple launch rocket systems. They could smash this airport to smithereens along with all the warriors

[nizrum]

Now Strelkov’s tactics are clear.
Retreat, saving the soldiers, at the same time inflicting maximum damage to the Ukroarmiya.This will only delay the defeat of New Russia.
Putin, like a true Spien, will stir up water in Ukraine trying to make another 1 maidan. Troops will be deployed only if they openly attack us.

[Karabin]

Quote: nizrum

Putin is like a true Spien

What kind of intelligence?

[nizrum]

Russian course. Or are you not up to date about his past?

[Kadex]

When they say "shpien" they mean a foreign intelligence agent. About their own, they say "scout" or "chekist". Unless you yourself are a representative of a foreign state.

[Karabin]

Quote: nizrum

Or are you not aware of his past?

Do you know about his past? I envy your awareness.

[Russ69]

Crush dill, and already began to unblock their encirclement ...

By morning, the enemy knocked out our units from Chervona Dawn and Tanner. Our losses - 2 tanks and 2 infantry fighting vehicles, more than 30 wounded. The forces are too unequal. (with) - from a famous forum of a famous person

[alicante11]

Not unlocked. These n. n. under fire. And the roads there are primers. they didn’t make much of them.

[diz1975]

It’s hard ... It’s important not where which positions are and what the situation is ... It is important that the people of New Russia stand their ground. The power of Kiev is anti-people, it came to power illegally, all its actions are aimed at inciting hatred between people, creating chaos, the collapse of the economy, the degradation of society. The basic principles that the people of New Russia stand for are the equality of people, regardless of nationality and social affiliation, to work and develop their economy in their interests and not for the sake of a handful of oligarchs and the West, law and law are the same for all.
It is important to stand for the truth. It’s not a pity to die for her. I wish them victory. The main thing is not to give up.

[ia-ai00]

Lord, why do people have such trials?
When will EVIL be PUNISHED?
There is no nerve to watch and read about the horrors of this war.
During the Second World War, people in the rear and in other countries only heard on the radio, but read in newspapers, with rare photographs about the horrors of war.
Now every day, from morning to morning, everything is with "pictures", as if you are there YOURSELF, your heart and soul HAVE HEALED to intolerance.
Moreover, it leads to RAGE, from the news about POLITICS, how the US and the EU add fuel to the fire, if this "fire" begins to fade, how they THIRST FOR SLAVIC BLOOD, from their INSUGE AND meanness.

[orekh59]

Rent our liberals Southeast. The next step is to return the Crimea?

[RUSS]

Quote: orekh59

Rent our liberals Southeast. The next step is to return the Crimea?

In order to "surrender" something, you need to have it, the Southeast is not ours whatever one may say, so we do not surrender it, but rather we stand above the fight, and what are we waiting for ...

[P-38]

Quote: orekh59

Rent our liberals Southeast. The next step is to return the Crimea?

In order to surrender something, one must have it. The southeast does not belong to Russia. And I’m sure that Strelkov is being helped.

[Saburo]

No, Crimea is not allowed! There, now, the gambling zone will be opened.

[Chaika]

Kiev spends even those funds that were originally laid down to support the social and scientific spheres.

They just reported on TV that, according to the calculations of money, the ukrovs had 10 days of war left, of course, "they will help them abroad" if they find it profitable, and also panic over additional mobilization throughout hohland, in Galicia burn agenda

Today, after the adoption by the Verkhovna Rada of the law on partial mobilization in the Carpathian region, an anti-mobilization uprising began. In five villages of the Yaremche city council, representatives of local self-government took the side of the protesters.

So, the leaders of the rural settlements of Mikulichin, Vorokhta, Tatarov, Yablunitsa and Polyanitsa publicly burned mobilization certificates and magazines with the results of medical commissions.

Also, the head physician of the Yaremche city hospital, Alexander Sokolyuk, wrote a receipt in which he noted that "the medical examination was incomplete," and therefore illegal.

To resolve the conflict, the military commissar of the Nadvirnyansky-Bogorodchansky ARVC will come to Yaremchu to talk with women.

So I hope it's not so bad

[Russ69]

Quote: Seagull

So I hope it's not so bad

This is not hope, but the search for this hope ...

[fingolfin]

An interesting thing .. There are many articles that the Ukrainian army is agonizing and incapable of anything, but nevertheless they are more and more oppressing the militias .. This is alarming ..

[Fuse]

There are hundreds of problems with the Ukrainian army. A real scribe came to some parts (the 24th, 72nd, 79th brigades). But due to the limited resource of the militia, this does not play a decisive role.

[rune]

Strelkov knows his job and will not put people in vain. We need tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, MLRS, guns. There are people. We believe in victory!

[Russ69]

Quote: rune

We need tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, MLRS, guns.

And who will? May I ask ...

[alicante11]

He who gave yesterday will give tomorrow.

[T80UM1]

God will "give", the border is closed now no one ...

[alicante11]

Who said that the border is closed? It’s ugly in the hands of militias, they are also peeling south, dill themselves admitted that they no longer control the entire border in the south.

[IGMIT]

It’s a pity that without effective help from Russia it will be difficult to resist.

[sever.56]

Not yet evening. All the same, I believe - sooner or later, dill will wash their blood and remain in the land of New Russia, if she accepts them !!!

[lenahort]

It remains only to pray to everyone for Srelkov, the militia and New Russia. God help them!

[Sergey-8848]

Hard, even almost hopeless. But hope and confidence in victory - after all, there are!

[alicante11]

This is fixable, if you look at the general strategic situation, you will understand that everything is FAR AWAY.

[Vend]

It's hard for the guys, but until the entire DNR and LNR are put into operation it will be difficult. Poroshenko calls for the recognition of the DPR and LPR as terrorist organizations, maybe after this the habit of "my house is on the edge" will go away from the inhabitants of the republics.

[lenahort]

Guys, we must pray for Strelkova, the militia and New Russia! There is nothing else left.

[Rigla]

Speaking of Transnistria. If the junta wins, it will be death for Transnistria, it’s obvious. And the verdict has already been passed by Transnistria. So the only way to salvation is to help Novorossia with ALL that is possible. 90% of the security forces of Transnistria should now fight in New Russia. What they are waiting for, I do not understand.

[Fuse]

But it is true that in the Ukrainian turmoil, many forgot about Transnistria. Republic may be between a rock and a hard place

[uhu189]

What are they waiting for? To begin with, that they had the opportunity to get to the Donbass. Secondly, I think they perfectly understand their prospects, and are forced to strengthen their defense. Even scanty help from Russia will definitely not reach them. And the third question is what to fight with? With machine guns against tanks?

[divangeneral]

the way to Donbass lies through Odessa and Mariupol. heavy weapons from South Ossetia should come to Mariupol

[uhu189]

Lord, well, stop fantasizing. What prevented armaments from South Ossetia from using less exotic routes to cross the land border? Strelkov at night burned almost the entire armored group in Chervona Zara. It was said that he had only 3 of the tank, 2 lost today. At the Brain of 10 grenade launchers only 3 work. PTRSami fighting. Who can at least get to Mariupol through a chain of checkpoints and the dominance of Ukrainian aviation in the sky, not to mention the assault, the main forces of the Ukrainian army are concentrated in that direction? They should try to hold onto the road from Lugansk to Donetsk, God forbid, if they had enough strength, it would already be a miracle if possible.

[Hyppopotut]

90% of the inhabitants of Donetsk and Lugansk must fight !!!
A war less than 1%
At the time of the start of the punitive operation on rough estimates, more than 5 million people lived in New Russia. We reject women, old children, infirm people - we get 1 million. We reject the angry ones - 500 thousand. How many are fighting today? - 20 thousand?
I am very sorry for the people of Donbass, but if they themselves do not want to fight for their freedom, then no Putin will help them

[kergudu straight]

Quote: Hyppopotut

90% of the inhabitants of Donetsk and Lugansk must fight !!!
A war less than 1%
At the time of the start of the punitive operation on rough estimates, more than 5 million people lived in New Russia. We reject women, old children, infirm people - we get 1 million. We reject the angry ones - 500 thousand. How many are fighting today? - 20 thousand?
I am very sorry for the people of Donbass, but if they themselves do not want to fight for their freedom, then no Putin will help them

I don’t understand why they are asking for help from Putin, they have their own president, Yanukovych was certainly taken from Kuev, but he is still a legitimate president, why doesn’t he need a couple of billion dollars for arms? Why doesn’t Yanukovych ask for troops to be sent to New Russia?

[Vyacheslav 64]

Quote: REDBLUE

I think Kiev has money left for 2-3 months of war. Next, the dill will merge. It is unlikely that the United States has a debt of trillions of dollars or the IMF will sponsor dill. So, you need to hold out until October, and there will be a lull. It will pass into the passive phase. If Russia supports Novorossia with technology and finances, then after NG, everything will go the other way around. The Slavs will beat the Nazis on all fronts.

The most offensive, colleague, is that the Americans will give money for the war without restrictions.

[MAFIA]

The people who call for more decisive action, as you do not understand, that applying sectoral sanctions against Russia, the West will deprive it of its main income, on which the salaries of state employees depend. And this is the most unprotected class of our society. The delay in the payment of pensions, salaries and other social benefits will create the best soil for the development of the revolution in Russia and will no longer be up to this fucking Ukraine. Because our division of classes is so obvious that you do not have to go far, just open your eyes. And our leaders are so stupid and blind that I am the first to take a pitchfork in my hands to prick them.
Many write that American and Ukrainian specialists are stupid, stupid and sell bullshit to the whole world, I agree with this, but we have no more literate people. And maybe even less, the merit is that we are still holding on not because of our valiant steps, but because of their (American) absurd propaganda, which only people with the "elementary school" level of intelligence accept with a bang.
Off top: I have a drunk in my yard, his son was locked up for 8 years for drug trafficking, so this oddly says Putin is to blame (!) Because he has flooded Russia with drugs.

[Belarus]

If you read, then it all comes down to one thing - your own shirt is closer to your body. It turns out that you don’t have to go anywhere, you don’t have to contradict anyone but think only of yourself who is good and kind.
Do you really think that IF will gobble up Novorossiya fascists from the former Ukraine will not climb FURTHER to recapture "their" territories?
Anyway, the sanctions you are talking about will be introduced more than once. If you live and act as you write, you just have to kneel down and wait for the owner’s new order, but I almost forgot .... and you still have to bend a little.
In the end, with such your position they will devour you with all the giblets - the only question is time.

[MAFIA]

I bring some clarity to the dialogue, because I don’t think about my shirt, etc. We will not help, it will be worse. First of all, it’s our brothers who need help, and secondly, we need to protect ourselves. But the main thing and first of all you need to think about yourself, about the consequences that will occur after this or that event in our country. I repeat that society is now rallying, but for how long is this enough, who will say it? We all live well, but someone went to the Swamp, and the repetition of the script is possible. Now the time for the intervention is lost, it will be more expensive to wave fists.
Well, as for the sanctions, I agree, I think that they will be strengthened and most likely.

[uhu189]

The whole joke is that sectoral sanctions will be applied regardless of our actions by definition. The decision to destroy the Russian Federation as an independent state has already been made in the United States, and whatever we do, we will still be pressured. The question is whether we will try to resist and turn the tide of the game in our favor, or we will simply surrender to the mercy of the winner and are guaranteed to lose everything — the country's income, living standard and homeland. This is not only Putin’s choice. This is a choice for each of us. It's just that not everyone understands this.

[MAFIA]

The United States had the opportunity to destroy Russia, they did not. Moreover, they don’t need to destroy us, the resources of Russia should simply belong to the US business and the US business should control them in order for the output to cost a penny. This was achieved in the 90s, and so far many of our business giants have shareholders / companies / US citizens.

[sledgehammer]

Quote: MAFIA

The delay in the payment of pensions, salaries and other social benefits will create the best soil for the development of the revolution in Russia

and that under Yeltsin then there was no revolution? pensions were delayed, salaries of 3-6 months were not paid, they lived 100 times worse than now, the army was demoralized then, take it with your bare hands .. all these sanctions are not dangerous, as some media show us .Russia is not the USSR. The Russian economy is tied to the world economy, and the USSR was not tied so. All these sanctions will take the effect of a boomerang. In short, garbage is all, all sorts of sanctions, they won’t take anything serious. That I don’t see sanctions against Abramovich , Vekselberg, Potanin, Prokhorov

[MAFIA]

So they want to see such a Russia, everything will lead to this, only other people have become and this is unlikely to be allowed.

[Anchonsha]

Now the West is doing everything to ensure that the Nazis cracked down on the Donbass - even the IMF is silent about the fact that the junta is using the allocated finances for other purposes. Dill is created by all new connections of their vagrants, weapons also come from the West, although Russia itself is blamed for this. But the most important thing is that there are few militias, many are waiting. They would have held out until the end of August, and then it would have become easier - war requires finance, which the junta is getting smaller.

[ed65b]

How many troops do not withdraw and the end will be one Dill tactics will not change. There is no infantry, but there is artillery and tanks and aircraft, they will demolish cities and villages along with the inhabitants. the militia will be killed unambiguously, there are no other options, they can’t survive without help. They will give money to a fortune teller to a Kiev fortune-teller. this is not a panic; it is a sober look at today's situation. The conclusions will change; no, the end is sad.

[donavi49]

Fresh:
Military Reports from the Southeast Front
Sent from Kotych in 56 minutes ago to Talk About Everything (Flood)
By morning, the enemy knocked out our units from Chervona Dawn and Tanner. Our losses are 2 tanks and 2 infantry fighting vehicles, more than 30 wounded. The forces are too unequal.

Military Reports from the Southeast Front
Sent from Kotych in 9 minutes ago to Talk About Everything (Flood)
At dawn, reconnaissance battalion managed to capture Dibrovka (Dubrovka), but the battle continues there - the heights are still in the hands of the enemy. Ukrainians make full use of the German fortifications of the Great Patriotic War - including well-preserved concrete pillboxes and shelters. Floating trenches cleared.



And Bolotov’s counterattack did not go outside the room where he talked about this, the same Kotych was already indignant:
About Bolotov: I am not used to criticizing "for the eyes", but I have reliable information that this person is not only incompetent as a military leader, but also absolutely does not want to work for a common cause. I collected a bunch of armored vehicles "for myself" and allowed them to surround us from all sides and cut off our supply routes. For reference, he has so many tanks and cannons that, with such a number, it would be enough for us to firmly hold the front from Donetsk to Lysychansk and not let ukram advance so quickly.

[Rigla]

Quote: donavi49

And Bolotov’s counterattack did not go outside the room where he talked about this, the same Kotych was already indignant:
About Bolotov: I am not used to criticizing "for the eyes", but I have reliable information that this person is not only incompetent as a military leader, but also absolutely does not want to work for a common cause. I collected a bunch of armored vehicles "for myself" and allowed them to surround us from all sides and cut off our supply routes. For reference, he has so many tanks and cannons that, with such a number, it would be enough for us to firmly hold the front from Donetsk to Lysychansk and not let ukram advance so quickly.

And where does the LPR military command look ???

[vezunchik]

In Donetsk, the militias spent the whole night killing the garrison of national troops at the airport and the warriors that broke through to them. The technique of ukrarmia is completely knocked out at the moment. Fighters of Oplot brought their tanks to direct fire and smashed Ukrainian equipment to the nines and feathers.

According to the estimates of the command of the Volunteer Army of the DPR, no more than a hundred soldiers are now left at the airport. Hiding in the bunkers. Yesterday's attempt by the junta to seize the airport, railway station and gain a foothold in the city of Donetsk was completely frustrated. Losses are minimal.

[alone]

Quote: vezunchik

In Donetsk, the militias spent the whole night killing the garrison of national troops at the airport and the warriors that broke through to them. The technique of ukrarmia is completely knocked out at the moment. Fighters of Oplot brought their tanks to direct fire and smashed Ukrainian equipment to the nines and feathers.

According to the estimates of the command of the Volunteer Army of the DPR, no more than a hundred soldiers are now left at the airport. Hiding in the bunkers. Yesterday's attempt by the junta to seize the airport, railway station and gain a foothold in the city of Donetsk was completely frustrated. Losses are minimal.

And so the Ukrainians unblocked the airport. Kongenialno. You, sometimes the most interesting thing is that like an experienced person, I saw a lot in my life. But she reads nonsense and that strangely believes in that nonsense.
Ukrainians are already in the outskirts of Donetsk in a north-west direction, having released the airport. The militia is located in the city and is waiting for an attack of tanks similar to Grozny-94. There are a hundred people there, the force ratio is 1 to 1.

[doc67]

Quote: Starfish

"The worst predictions come true, b ... even if you don't read or watch TV, some experiences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Strelkova needs to listen, everything that says goes on.
then without large-scale assistance from the Russian state - in the future there will be a repetition of leaving the encircled Slavyansk, now from Donetsk.
and our leadership is not up to it, because "there is no immediate threat to territorial integrity and sovereignty" ... to fight like this near Moscow - is this the logic of our Security Council?

You are either a provocateur or a paranoid. Look at the border "refugees" - men from 18 to 45 years old every fourth. There are 5 million of them in the Donbas. They cannot gather an army to defend their homeland. Do you want our young guys to die for THEM? Why are you a couch warrior you don’t volunteer there? It will not be the introduction of troops. Now, if they go to the Crimea, then it's another matter. There is Russian land.

[uhu189]

Are you sure that the matter will be different? In addition to the concerns of the zero reaction, the maneuvers of the Khokhlyatsk attack aircraft cannot be prevented by regular shelling of our border villages and checkpoints. Opposite the Crimea, a group of troops has been accumulating over the last 2 weeks, do you think so?
There, after all, most of the refugees are far from men, and many of these men that you saw families transported to the border, and then returned back. Maybe you shouldn’t equalize so categorically all under one comb?

[Hitrovan07]

"The American fell from the top floor of a skyscraper and, flying half of its height, said - so far everything is going well." It is in this vein that the majority on the site comments on the situation in Novorossiya and Russia. Alas, gentlemen, Russia DIDN'T DO everything that could have been done, so now Novorossia will "merge", and the comments will continue to be "in 1941, Kutuzov also surrendered Moscow." Sofa strategists, ehhh.

[alicante11]

You, dear, are absolutely wrong. Most of the site shies from side to side. As soon as the good news comes, we’re ready to take Alaska. It is time to come hard times - nagging begins, with the forgetting of all victories.

[Cormorants]

Quote: net abort

Quote: Rigla

We will win!

And our corrupt oligarchs!

Russian oligarchs are fighting against Donbass militias

The original is taken from alik_shade in YAROSLAVSKY DIESEL FIGHT AGAINST PEOPLE IN DONBASS


Kharkiv Transport Engineering Plant named after V. A. Malyshev dozens and hundreds sends tanks to the Donbass to fight with militias. It is difficult to calculate how many civilians were killed specifically from Kharkov tanks, but the fact that the tanks fired and continue to shoot at civilians is an undeniable fact.



At the same time, cooperation between the Kharkov tank factory and Russian partners continues. Recently, a large batch of diesel engines for tanks manufactured by the Yaroslavl diesel equipment plant was delivered to Kharkov. It is significant that the YAZDA website has information on cooperation with such enterprises as Avtodiesel, KAMAZ, Altaydizel, Minsk and Tutaevsky motor plants. The Malyshev plant prudently does not appear on the lists, but two independent sources confirmed that information about the YAZDA equipment being installed on Ukrainian tanks.


Yaroslavl Diesel Equipment Plant part of the GAZ group, which, in turn, belongs to the big oligarch Oleg Deripaska.

An oligarchy has already been established in Ukraine,
even adherents of the regime admit this.


Is everything possible in the oligarchs in Russia too, and while all of Russia is collecting assistance for refugees from the Donbass, Deripaska is doing everything to increase the number of these refugees?

Specifically, give a link to the information on the supply of a batch of power plants. On the site YAZDA did not find anything !!

[net abortion]

Specifically, give a link to the information on the supply of a batch of power plants. On the site YAZDA did not find anything !!

YAROSLAVSKY DIESEL FIGHTS AGAINST PEOPLE IN DONBASS

The problem and the cunning is that-
Foxes know how to cover their tracks!


-Further-

It is significant that the YAZDA website has information on cooperation with such enterprises as Avtodizel, KAMAZ, Altaydizel, Minsk and Tutaevsky motor plants. The Malyshev factory is prudent not listed but the information that the YAZDA equipment is being installed on Ukrainian tanks was confirmed to us by two independent sources.

(link)
http://antifashist.com/item/yaroslavskij-dizel-voyuet-protiv-opolchencev-na-donb

asse.html

[World Cup 2014]

Of course, I respect more precisely, respected Putin, but not when I will not forgive Putin if he merges New Russia, he sits ... in the Kremlin, he co-operates with a place to help New Russia and punish ukrov for shelling our territory

[Starfish]

It sometimes seems to me, in the manner of delirium, it seems that Crimea was taken to lift the spirits of the people, and then with a bloody defeat of New Russia poke it with a big face in the mud. for it was not possible to swing Russia onto the Maidan in a different way, but they really need the collapse of the country and as bloody as possible.
and here the question arises: who is mr Putin?
because in this situation he is the main character. while yelling at a foreign media can be a cover operation.
unlikely? Yes.
perhaps? we will see. in this case, not long to wait.

[Nina Zima]

about five years left to wait ... at least ...

[Chaika]

Here is an interesting article in Russian Spring

The International Red Cross has confidentially determined that Ukraine is at war, Western diplomats and officials said.

This paves the way for possible prosecution for war crimes, including a downed Malaysian airline plane.

Here is the link http://rusvesna.su/news/1406067651

[Alexandr 2]

Militias without serious heavy weapons.
Therefore, it is not necessary to wait for them to break up the tank and artillery hordes.
Shooters well done. He chooses the right strategy.

[Trevis]

Before the start of the offensive.

[ia-ai00]

The Kharkov Transport Engineering Plant named after V. A. Malyshev sends dozens and hundreds of tanks to the Donbass to combat militias ... ... At the same time, the Kharkov tank plant continues to cooperate with Russian partners.

But THIS is not clear to me, how can I?
Or for Russian capitalists, too: - "... nothing personal, just" business "" ???

[Fuse]

Unfortunately, some even manage to bake potatoes in a fire

[KUOLEMA]

Well, in general, yes. Business. How did goods from Ukraine go to us and how do batteries go? Products even beer Lviv raven crow well then everyone knows

[ia-ai00]

My family is now CAREFULLY studying the inscriptions on the goods, and if the goods are from Ukraine, we refuse to purchase, since the proceeds will go to destroy New Russia. I'm not talking about sweets from PARАSHENKO.

[Skif83]

So the factory is in Kharkov.
Another thing is that you can throw deep DRGs, derail the plant? All of course will not work, but key departments - why not?

[maestro123]

Quote: donavi49

And Bolotov’s counterattack did not go outside the room where he talked about this, the same Kotych was already indignant:
About Bolotov: I am not used to criticizing "for the eyes", but I have reliable information that this person is not only incompetent as a military leader, but also absolutely does not want to work for a common cause. I collected a bunch of armored vehicles "for myself" and allowed them to surround us from all sides and cut off our supply routes. For reference, he has so many tanks and guns that, with such a number, it would be enough for us to firmly hold the front from Donetsk to Lisichansk and not allow the Ukrainians to advance so quickly.

Or maybe this is the plan? Now the Ukrainians, having forgotten about everything, will be drawn into the depths, they will get another boiler for them.

[ed65b]

Quote: maestro123

, get another boiler for them.

They cannot do anything with these boilers. No strength.

[alone]

Quote: maestro123

Or maybe this is the plan? Now the Ukrainians, having forgotten about everything, will be drawn into the depths, they will get another boiler for them.

Ukrainians prefer phased offensives. Take certain territories, strengthen, stockpile supplies, tighten artillery, BT, transfer regrouping. And do it wisely. While one direction is consolidating, the offensive is being conducted in the other direction.

[wladimir]

The worst forecast comes true, militias will be squeezed and the massacre will begin

[For Courage]

On the river Trebbia a bloody battle broke out with the French.
Suvorov closely followed the course of the battle. He sat astride a Cossack horse, without a uniform, in a white shirt, with a sword in his hand.
In the midst of the battle, one of the Russian regiments could not stand the pressure of the French. The soldiers faltered, retreated, and fled. Together with all the young soldier Yermolai Shokin fled.
“Well, death has come! “- the soldier thought and whispered a prayer to himself.
Noticing the confusion of the Russians, Suvorov rushed to the retreating regiment. He flew up on a hot horse, shouted:
- Lure! More! That's right! Run!
Shokin runs, thinks: “How to understand? What is the lure here, since the regiment is retreating? "
And Suvorov again:
- More! More! Lure!
We ran about two hundred meters. Suddenly Suvorov besieged the horse. He got up on the stirrups. Swung a sword over his head.
- Wait! - screamed. - Enough!
The fugitives stopped. Ermolai also stopped.
- Wonderful heroes! .. back! .. - shouted the field marshal. - In hostility! .. Hooray! .. God is with us! Forward! ..
The soldiers turned to face the enemy. Hit in bayonets.
- Go ahead! - does not stop Suvorov. - Heroes! The enemy is trembling from you! - And the first to fly to the French.
Crushed, defeated enemy soldiers.
Shokin ran, fought with a bayonet, thought: “Oh dexterously, oh how dexterously Suvorov turned the whole thing! And he didn’t give a look about the retreat. And he didn’t scold. ”
And other soldiers think the same thing. They fight, not sparing themselves, atone for a minute of cowardice.
But Suvorov was already far from these places, he was sitting on a horse with a hawk and again vigilantly watched whether everything was in order everywhere.
The battle on the Trebbia River lasted three days. The victory was complete Suvorov

[Chaika]

They try to hide the Ukrainian military who survived the shelling in Zelenopolie (video)

Russian spring http://rusvesna.su/news/1406046327

[KBR109]

Summary. Despite some tactical successes of the militia, things are getting worse and worse. The incident with Boeing played its role by 80 percent. The information war on this case is lost. Russia began to be very cautious in providing assistance. Apparently the stakes were too high and Russia (the elite) was not ready to aggravate. The opposing side will grow qualitatively and soon. A little money for war, the United States is always tossed. Focused on working for Russia, it makes sense to continue the epic battle. It is time for those who join at the call of the soul to turn on the brain and leave. If there is still a craving for life. I look forward to attacks of pseudo-patriots and cons because I expressed an opinion that does not coincide with the general line of the site.

[ed65b]

Quote: KBR109

Summary. Despite some tactical successes of the militia, things are getting worse and worse. The incident with Boeing played its role by 80 percent. The information war on this case is lost. Russia began to be very cautious in providing assistance. Apparently the stakes were too high and Russia (the elite) was not ready to aggravate. The opposing side will grow qualitatively and soon. A little money for war, the United States is always tossed. Focused on working for Russia, it makes sense to continue the epic battle. It is time for those who join at the call of the soul to turn on the brain and leave. If there is still a craving for life. I look forward to attacks of pseudo-patriots and cons because I expressed an opinion that does not coincide with the general line of the site.

They can stick to you without a general line, our site does not have a general line on the forum, all the more so. the line is on the "Censor" and other garbage dumps. So I ask you not to offend citizens, here any opinion has the right to life and discussion.

[KUOLEMA]

Quote: Starfish

"The worst predictions come true, b ... even if you don't read or watch TV, some experiences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Strelkova needs to listen, everything that says goes on.
then without large-scale assistance from the Russian state - in the future there will be a repetition of leaving the encircled Slavyansk, now from Donetsk.
and our leadership is not up to it, because "there is no immediate threat to territorial integrity and sovereignty" ... to fight like this near Moscow - is this the logic of our Security Council?

And why do we need Moscow and we can retreat to Kamchatka

[Iero]

Very bad news. The airport wedges into the very center of Donetsk, through it the Nazis will loosen the city’s defense and take it in 2-3 weeks. The fact that I. Strelkov was not able to finish them there indicates a lack of forces, mainly in tanks and artillery. Now we should expect a breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the south. Hope for the fighters of V. Bolotov (they need tanks and guns, because they cover the rear and supply lines of the DNI and there was a major blow to them), if the LPR gets a counteroffensive, Novorossia will get a chance for salvation. But all this can lead to tactical success, the strategy is done at a higher level. Without real help from Russia, militias will be defeated.

[zzz]

Quote: iero

Very bad news. The airport wedges into the very center of Donetsk

My personal opinion is that the airport was exchanged for something. Someone was sitting there or someone they really wanted to save ... IMHO

[KBR109]

И все равно, уважаемые, замены нынешнему Гаранту на горизонте пока не наблюдается.Квалифицированной замены, а не демократической, естественно.

[Evgen96rus]

Вы как знаете, а я собираюсь к границе, из Ека поеду в начале августа. Может еще к тому времени ответ получу из Новороссии

[nomad74]

Quote: divangeneral

How to turn the tide in Novorossia without the intervention of Russian troops?

А кто и какими средствами будет воплощать в жизнь этот план? Надежда на Харьковчан? На Дончан и Луганчан тоже надеялись большинство за малым исключением защищать себя не хочет!

[divangeneral]

на добровольцев с ОБД, которые по-тихому заедут в город при помощи харьковчан

[Russ69]

Отправлено Сегодня, 10:48:19 Сводка с Донецка от Blokator:
Всю ночь добивали укрогарнизон в аэропорту и прорвавшихся к ним хунтят. Техника у них на данный момент повыбита вся.
"Оплот" вывел танки на прямую наводку и долбал так, что ошмётки летели. По оценкам ополченцев
укров в аэропорту осталось не более 100 тел. Прячутся в бункерах. Вчерашняя попытка хунты
захватить аэропорт, ж/д вокзал и закрепиться в черте Донецка полностью сорвана.
Потери минимальны - у "Оплота" 2 чел. и ещё один ополченец получил 3 пули под броник.
Eternal memory to heroes!
Опять Ходаковского матерят, не вышел на место дислокации и потому части укров удалось уйти.
Говорит - людей буду беречь. Ну не , а?! :demand:
По ул. П.Поповича возле вокзала украинцы бросили заглохший, исправный танк. Бежали без оглядки.
The tank is already at our base.

[Russ69]

Cerebral
ни кто из полевых командиров по моему и не собирался в такой степени жертвовать людьми и жилыми домами , ни кто не думал , что в наше время после обещаний и защитных реляций Путина кто то осмелится так безнаказанно убивать мирное население и рушить дома и инфраструктуру смерчами и градами
все надеялись продержаться до естественной защитной реакции РФ , Игорь Иванович неоднократно говорил , и просил ввести ВСРФ для защиты мирного населения Донбасса и указывал на тот факт , что боевой дух бойцов резко упадет , если они узнают о предательстве кремля
Так же и жители в своей огромной массе проголосовавшие за независимость от Киева не думали что их будут просто напросто безнаказанно убивать , разрушать их дома и выгонять с земли на которой жили еще их предки , они хотели просто жить , растить детей , работать как раньше но только без бандеровской русофобской идеологии и их теперешняя реакция вполне очевидна , лучше из двух зол выбрать меньшее , лучше растить детей живыми под бандерами , чем быть убитыми в защите идеалов , которые в теперешних реалиях силами ополчения невозможно отстоять
да это и понятно , тем уступающим противнику в 100 раз количеством техники и слабо экипированным бойцам так же количественно уступающим , невозможно защитить мирные поселения от обезумевшего противника , творящего безнаказанный геноцид на Донбассе
вывод все надеялись на Путина и его железную волю , но на данный момент он сделал правильный политический ход , но морально неправильный , сделал расчет на большинство России , а большинство это поколение потребителей забывших подвиги предков , забывших морально правильные принципы защиты ближнего , более слабого соседа , общество потребителей коим тепло свое дороже и ближе , а чужие беды и смерти так далеки
да , соседа , целый народ , несколько миллионов таких же в основной своей массе потребителей не привыкших и не умеющих воевать ,
да это и понятно ведь мирные люди не созданы для войны , воевать должна армия , регулярная , только под ее защитой возможна была защита от жертв и разрушений , но такой армии на Донбассе нет , не считая идеалистов , которые понимают ту несправедливость , которая творится и пытающиеся ее остановить , но они не армия , нет необходимого вооружения , нет достаточного количества людей
так что без защиты России , Новороссия обречена на смерть и порабощение и возможно те мужчины Донбасса , которые сейчас отсиделись уже будут в составе тех , кто пойдет на Крым
думаю еще месяц сопротивления . несколько тысяч жертв Донецка и Луганска и сопротивления не станет
на всем этом печальном фоне особенно резко ощущается предательство российской элиты и руководства , когда тот же Мозговой рассказывает , что из 10 рпг стреляет три , или как Стрелков писал . что из 20 рпг не выстрелило не один в Николаевке , это предательство , коему мы являемся свидетелями
не хочу призывать к каким то действиям ибо знаю , что это бесполезно и будет только еще хуже и уже у нас в России , но так тошно на душе и тоскливо за людей умирающих там за свои и наши идеалы

[Vvol]

[quote=русс69][i][b]
Нам придётся пройти этот крестный путь до конца! Мы - золото, брошенное в горнило для того, чтобы очиститься от примесей... Помню, один греческий православный старец, Паисий Святогорец, просил представить, будто бы у хлеба был рот. Собрали зерно, измололи в муку, заквасили тесто, придали тесту форму - и в печь. Вот и орет хлеб: "Помогите! Мне больно! Я весь сгорю! Я уже сгорел!"... Вот и мы этот хлеб! ВСЕ МЫ... Ополченцы, мирные жители в подвалах, искалеченные дети, убитые селяне, павшие воины (не спешите возмущаться: "Да они что, тоже "примеси", что ли?!!")... Донецкие "мажоры"... Забриваемые в армию украинцы и их мамы с женами... "Скакуны"..."Свидомые"...Наемники...Олигархи...Россияне...Пу
тин..."Шестая колона"..."Пятая колона"...Европейцы...Арабы...Обама... Даже те, кто уверены, что стоят и просто разогревают пламя - и для них это пламя на самом деле "не с краю"! (Даже если некоторым из них так и будет суждено прожить остаток жизни в богатстве и умереть в окружении "наследничков"!!! Душу из под удара не выведешь!)
Да, не скажу, что "искалеченные дети, убитые селяне, павшие..." - это шлак. Так что наша печка начинает напоминать пожар в избушке... Но просто все происходящее значит, что нам придется до конца, до развязки пройти через СТРАДАНИЕ... Много еще будет и "все под контролем!" и "все пропало!". Просто затхлой бытовухи. Много "минуток счастья"... Но это реальная жизнь в испорченном мире, а не сценарий компьютерной "стрелялки"...
Все кончится, все изменится, развязка будет... И вот как мы через все это пройдем, в смысле качества - вот это важно. Каковыми станут те, кто переживут все это? А каковыми будут те, кому не избежать в этом кошмаре смерти? Это важно.

[Belarus]

Я не понимаю вот что : почему многие говорят что надо продержаться там к примеру до осени.Ладно соглашусь надо.
Вопрос : за счет чего продержаться? А сколько еще погибнет ополченцев? Сколько еще погибнет мирных жителей в том числе детей??? Об этом почему-то те кто говорит что Новороссии надо продержатся до осени не говорят.

[alicante11]

Не надо держаться, надо бить нацгадов. Тем и занимаются.

[Russ69]

23.07.2014/10/56 XNUMX:XNUMX (Moscow time) Synopsis from I.I. Strelkov

"By morning, the enemy knocked out our units from Chervona Dawn and Kozhevni. Our losses are the 2 of the tank and the 2 of the BMP, more than the 30 of the wounded. The forces are too unequal.
At dawn, the reconnaissance battalion managed to capture Dibrovka (Dubrovka), but the battle continues there - the heights are still in the hands of the enemy. Ukrainians make full use of the German fortifications of the Great Patriotic War - including perfectly preserved concrete pillboxes and shelters. The sunken trenches have been cleared. "

[Freeway_3007]

По моему Стрелков всё доходчиво объяснил: враг многократно превосходит в пехоте, особенно в технике, а в таких случаях отступление с целью сохранения сил единственный выход, но украм мало победить в отдельном сражении- нужно ещё и закрепить успех и удержать, а с этим как показывает практика у них не очень, они медлительны, а стрелковцы хорошо мотивированны, и с боевым духом у них все в поряде, так что всё ещё впереди

[Valter1364]

Некоторые мысли по поводу происходящего на фронте.
- большинство людей, обладающих изотерическими (в военно-политическом смысле) знаниями, в один голос, не громко и уверенно утверждают: "Всё под контролем. Юго-Восток не сдадут!"
- Простому обывателю не понятно, что происходит в кулуарах внешнеполитических ведомств. Да оно как то и не нужно, т.к. в любом театре большинство - это зрители. Как правило, подводная часть айсберга внешней мировой политики, это нескончаемая череда компромиссов и договоров, о сути которых мало кто догадывается. Не секрет, что случаются и сбои, проще сказать, кидалово.
А в свете последних событий и откровенно враждебного поведения англо-саксонского мамонта, случиться может что угодно, включая теракты на украинских АС, территории России и т.д.
- По факту, против юго-востока, а по сути против РФ, запущен западный каток, остановить который при нынешним состоянии дел, ополчению будет весьма и весьма сложно. Кто-то сказал, что Новороссия сейчас воюет за всю Россию и это не далеко от истины.
- Обстановка в Новороссии ухудшается с каждым днём.
- Российско-Украинская граница не оборудована и практически прозрачна по всей своей протяжённости. Устранить эту проблему в ближайшей перспективе – не получится.
- Советская инфраструктура военных городков и коммуникаций в приграничных с Украиной районах практически разрушена и добита при Сердюкове.
Я далёк от пораженческих мыслей и от всей души желаю победы ополченцам, но очень хочется верить, что с нашей стороны просчитаны все варианты развития событий на ближайшую перспективу.

[Fuse]

Фашистская хунта вывела войска из Лисичанска и Северодонецка


Обратите внимание, что лисичанский гарнизон прямо обвиняет Мозгового в подлости и предательстве

[Skif83]

Зря И. Стрелков ждет их в Донецке. Война идет по шаблону сербской (это типично амер.овский шаблон). Будут только бомбить и обстреливать артиллерией.
Я бы не стал делать ставку на этот вариант.
Если основной силой ук.ропов является артиллерия и танки, значит нужно "охотиться" за складами с б/п и горючим.
А арабов, поляков и др. (как и нацигов) шваль уничтожать вообще без всякой жалости, без пленения. В ВОВ разных "подсобников" вообще вешали, суд - полчаса, и в петлю гадов.

[Vvol]

Quote: REDBLUE

I think Kiev has money left for 2-3 months of war. Next, the dill will merge. It is unlikely that the United States has a debt of trillions of dollars or the IMF will sponsor dill. So, you need to hold out until October, and there will be a lull. It will pass into the passive phase. If Russia supports Novorossia with technology and finances, then after NG, everything will go the other way around. The Slavs will beat the Nazis on all fronts.

Боюсь, силы Зла всерьез взялись за Украину. Да, это гос-во (У.) уже давно банкрот. Но Украинский кризис - плацдарм для качественного удара по России. Просто так "великим украм" обеспечивать реальный "Обама_все_слил" не будут спешить. Да и даже "затишье", каким бы оно не оказалось скорым, не так уж и много будет означать во всех этих кровавых "шахматах". Бесам, самым настоящим "ворогам", не нужны, в конце концов, всякие "экономики", "политические цели", "Большая игра"... Как мировому олигархату по сути наплевать на государство США и его граждан (просто США для него сейчас, выражаясь далеко не моими словами, боевой голем и главный схрон, база), так и бесам наплевать на их глобальных слуг со всеми их денежными мешками. А вот как можно больше народа ПОВСЮДУ, по все стороны любых границ/линий фронтов положить на проклятый алтарь - вот это "отлично"! А еще больше душ изуродовать, дезориентировать, ввергнуть в уныние - и тем более (вспомните, хотя бы, "надлом" старушки-Европы после ПМВ)... Это я к тому веду, что наши рассуждения по поводу того, насколько далеко пойдут на Западе, рискуют со своей "философичностью" развеяться под напором жестокой, безумной, "бессмысленной" реальности. Даже если эта война в итоге действительно окажется СУПЕРНЕПОХОЖЕЙ_НА_ПРЕДЫДУЩИЕ_И_НЕОБЫЧНОЙ! Да и что мы вообще можем знать о том, как все обернется?! Так что, боюсь, стискивать зубы и телесные и "психические", и "духовные" нам придется всем. Не в игрушку с чьим-то чужим сценарием играем, а реальной жизнью живем со всеми ее поворотами и оттенками цвета.
P.S. Только это я не для уныния писал и, тем более, не как повод для грызни "ПУТИН_ВСЕ_СЛИЛ1НЕ_ЗАБУДУ_НЕ_ПРОЩУ1" с "НЕЛЬЗЯ_ВВОДИТЬ_ВОЙСКА!_ВЫ_СИДЯЩИЕ_НА_ДИВАНАХ...ЭТО_РЕАЛЬНАЯ_ГЕОПОЛИТИКА!&q
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[Appius]

Война стоит дорого, укроэкономика трещит по швам. И.И. Стрелкову с его армией нужно держаться и выматывать киевскую хунту.

[uhu189]

Держаться? Вы издеваетесь? Он итак держался в Славянске 3 месяца. Теперь пытается не дать захватить Донецк. А теперь оказывается он должен держаться столько долго, пока укроэкономика рухнет и киевская хунта не вымотается. Вообще здорово. А силы он где возьмёт? Украина все сильнее и сильнее с каждым днем, они объявили мобилизацию, расконсервируют технику, у них НАТОвцы на подходе. Он итак умудряется не дать отмобилизованной регулярной армии довольно крупной европейской страны не дать мгновенно схлопнуть ситуацию до коллапса. Чего и кому он ещё должен? Все это планировалось в надежде на помощь из РФ и её поддержку. Есть эта поддержка (государственная естественно), вы её видите? Я не вижу.

[Appius]

Если нет поддержки РФ, что остаётся делать армии Новороссии?

[uhu189]

Вы эти вопросы не по адресу задаете. Я могу лишь догадываться что на душе у Стрелкова сейчас. Но очевидно, что сейчас при текущем снабжении победить он не может. Максимум замедлить наступление украинской армии на Донецк. Это все. Не могут партизаны воевать наравне с регулярной армией, использующей по полной свое тяжелое вооружение без каких-либо ограничений. Чудес не бывает... Я всё-таки до последнего надеюсь, что люди, которые могут принять решение о крупномасштабной помощи - его примут, хотя уже и очень поздно.

[alicante11]

. Я могу лишь догадываться что на душе у Стрелкова сейчас.

У Стрелкова сейчас то же самое, что было у Жукова, когда он подал рапорт об отставке с поста нач ГШ из-за того, что Сталин с Шапошниковым не дали отвести войска из Киевского котла. Но правы оказались Сталин с Шапошниковым, что и показали замерзшие трупы немцев под Москвой.

[uhu189]

Вот исторический пример Вы совершенно неправильный привели, Вы знаете, готов с Вами поспорить по этому поводу, и серьезно спорить. Потеря полумиллиона наиболее боеспособных солдат, тысяч единиц артиллерии и танков образовала колоссальную брешь в обороне и открыла немцам дорогу на Донбасс и на Ростов. Если уж говорить о жертвах которые спасли Москву - то тогда стоит говорить о Смоленском сражении и окружении под Вязьмой, но никак не о Киеве. Если-бы Гудариан и Клейст не окружили Киевскую группировку - наступления на Москву скорее всего вообще не было, Гудариан об этом не упоминает, но Манштейн в воспоминаниях чётко писал, что Гитлер и ОКВ не хотели рисковать и начинать наступательную операцию на Москву пока под Гомелем висел выступ частей РККА.

[alicante11]

Потеря полумиллиона наиболее боеспособных солдат, тысяч единиц артиллерии и танков образовала колоссальную брешь в обороне и открыла немцам дорогу на Донбасс и на Ростов.

Да спорьте сколько угодно. Либерастический и хрущевский бред, которым нам промывали мозги может быть выведен только фактами. Вы возьмите и почитайте две книги. Мемуары Баграмяна и боевой путь 5-ой армии ЮЗФ. В первой вы, к своему "ужасу" увидите, что почти все боевые подразделения ЮЗФ вырвались из окружения. там перечислены они по нумерации и когда и куда выходили. Даже из Киевского УРа дивизии и НКВДшники вышли. А во второй можете прочитать про количество "штыков" в дивизиях легендарной 5-ой армии Потапова, в которой дивизии лучше было называть батальонами. Это к слову о том, что "полмиллиона боеспособных солдат".
Спросите, откуда тогда 500тыс пленных? Я а я вам скажу, во-первых, в окружение попали армейские тылы (фронтовые отвели по приказу Кирпоноса, который, естественно, хотел отойти, поскольку отвечал только за свой фронт). А также почти 200 тыс мобилизованных, которые даже не получили вооружения, только форму. Ну и, если вы помните, то в Киеве, в начале, хватали сс-овцы всех мужчин от 18 до 50 (прям как сейчас в Славянске) и в лагеря. Население Киева, думаю, знаете? В таких условиях не проблем была и миллион набрать.

[tokin1959]

статеечку "резидент Утин молодец" очень хочется почитать.
Непонятно, зачем в марте было сотрясать воздух - "Только суньтесь на Новороссию"
а потом укропам самую боеспособную технику, что находилась в Крыму передать.
все верилось в какие то хитрые планы.
дохитрился, теперь его на международной арене вообще ни во что не ставят.
следующие переговоры будут по Уркаине, Лаврова будут за дверь выставлять.
Укропы уже нашу территорию ежедневно обстреливают.
и резидент себя незаменимым выставляет при этом - а то придут либерасты, и все сдадут.
сдавать уже нечего, и так уже все сдал, еще и Крым с позором отнимут. и с жертвами.

[I am]

Ты сам воевать с укропами хочешь ??????? Чего тогда ты тут сидишь !!!!!!! Покажи нам всем личным примером. Только учти Если все пойдут, то конечно победим сначала, а потм груз 200 начнет идти, ты хочешь стать эти грузом 200. Нет, убивать наших солдат будут не укропы и не бандеровцы - а войска нато. И это основная цель втянуть РОССИЮ в войну! Так как размен? согласен? Тогда БЕГОМ В ВОЕНКОМАТ !!!!!!!

[Vvol]

Quote: I am

Ты сам воевать с укропами хочешь ??????? Чего тогда ты тут сидишь !!!!!!! Покажи нам всем личным примером. Только учти Если все пойдут, то конечно победим сначала, а потм груз 200 начнет идти, ты хочешь стать эти грузом 200. Нет, убивать наших солдат будут не укропы и не бандеровцы - а войска нато. И это основная цель втянуть РОССИЮ в войну! Так как размен? согласен? Тогда БЕГОМ В ВОЕНКОМАТ !!!!!!!

Да вижу я, что за нас взялись по крупному... Да вот только сообщения в духе "Нельзя вводить войска..." набили оскомину не меньше, чем "Путин все слил". Хотя это право каждого свободно выражать свое мнение...но война давит и через тысячи километров на диванчике...Вводить войска или "только спецы, оружие, боеприпасы, продовольствие"??? Да ничего уже не знаю!!! Но лишь бы четко знали те, кто принимают решения. Вот товарищ и "обалдевает", видя, что как-то мы подозрительно темп сдали, набранный при старте "Русской весны". ...Да и , в конце концов, "не горько остаться без крова"! Россию и Правду сейчас и так ... как укрепрайон обрабатывают... Драться и так нужно в той или иной форме.
Главное, панике не поддаваться, хоть и РЕАЛЬНО ТЯЖЕЛО. Но с этим надо жить, даже извлекая из этой тяжести определенное "суровое" вдохновение...Ну и, ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО, вместе держаться, со своими

[Vvol]

Ничего еще до конца не сдали МЫ ВООБЩЕ НЕ ЗНАЕМ, КАК В КОНЕЧНОМ ИТОГЕ ВСЕ ОБЕРНЕТСЯ! ТЯЖЕЛО! СЛИВ какой-то сейчас происходит Противник давит! Люди гибнут... НО говорю: хоть и продают нашу Родину, да почему-то еще не распродали всю Война еще не кончена! Мы еще живы... Руки-ноги есть... Карточки пока еще не заблокировали Do not panic! А то смотрю, на Вас уже налетел один товарищ... Свои со своими

[Nina Zima]

23.07.2014 12:20 Сообщение агентства INTERFAX

"Луганские ополченцы заявили о взятии Лисичанска.
Ополченцы Луганской народной республики утверждают, что им удалось вернуть контроль над Лисичанском, расположенным в 90 км к северо-западу от Луганска.

"Утром в среду Лисичанск находится вновь под контролем ополченцев. Удалось обстрелять два штурмовика противника, наносивших авиаудары по нашим позициям на въезде в город", - сообщил "Интерфаксу" руководитель информационного центра "Юго-восточный фронт" Константин Кнырик.

Кроме того, ополченцы утверждают, что им удалось частично вытеснить украинских военных из Северодонецка.

"Пролетарский мост с одной стороны контролируется ополченцами, с другой - украинскими военными. Второй мост попадает в зону снайперского обстрела украинских военных, однако часть его также контролируется ополченцами", - сказал Кнырик".

[Tanechka-clever]

Есть такой фильм "13-район" это реальность нашего мира. Самое страшное это всегда предательство, но чудовищно, когда к тебе приходит осознание, что тебя просто использовали "в слепую".
Когда "использование" становится политикой в мире - на передний план выходят "крестоносцы" - это становится маркером для мира - начало его конца.
Когда человечество в своем развитии делало два шага вперед - к ДОБРОДЕТЕЛИ, то обязательно один шаг назад, удовлетворяя свои пороки - НО ЭТО БЫЛ ПУТЬ к духовному прозрению.
Сегодня, когда человечество в своем развитии делает два шага назад - от ДОБРОДЕТЕЛИ к своим порокам, и только один шаг вперед к добродетели, удовлетворяя свои пороки -это путь к деградации.
И никакая промышленная революция не возможна без духовного продвижения вперед.
Отцы предали своих детей - а дети забыли своих отцов. Бог человека за это обязательно накажет.
Жаль таких пацанов и девчонок как Александр с позывным "Малой" - сегодня нужны мощные духовные силы, что бы не озлобится и не выпустить из души своего "демона".
Главное всегда помнить - быть белой вороной в черной стае это всегда лучше, чем черный ворон в белой. И в трудную минуту БОГ всегда поддержит и укажет путь.
"Боже дай мне то, что мне нужно, а не то что я прошу".

[Vvol]

Жаль таких пацанов и девчонок как Александр с позывным "Малой" - сегодня нужны мощные духовные силы, что бы не озлобится и не выпустить из души своего "демона".

Правильное беспокойство... Война - всегда обгоревшие трупы, размозженные головы, потерянные товарищи, увечья (возможно, собственные)... девушки, плачущие о своих сожжённых в БТР-ах парнях и на ТОЙ СТОРОНЕ! "Неожиданное послевкусие шашлыка из колорадов"... Воевать можно только за родных-друзей, Родину, Правду, против "душегубов"... Но шрам на сердце все равно будет. А если еще за спиной "большие шишки играют в свои игры", а то и вовсе начинается "Нас бросили!"

[Russ69]

МОСКВА, 23 июл — РИА Новости. Большинство россиян (88%) видят в сложившейся ситуации угрозу для русскоязычных жителей Украины, при этом 84% считают, что российский президент должен обеспечить защиту их интересов, свидетельствуют данные опроса Всероссийского центра изучения общественного мнения (ВЦИОМ).

"Подавляющее большинство россиян (88%) считает, что в настоящее время существует угроза для русскоговорящих жителей Украины. <…> При этом 84% наших сограждан придерживаются мнения, что российский президент должен отстаивать интересы русскоязычного населения украинского государства", — говорится в опросе. При этом 5% опрошенных затруднились ответить на поставленные вопросы.

По данным социологов, 70% респондентов также убеждены, что Путин делает для жителей юго-востока Украины все возможное, исходя из интересов России.

"В свою очередь, 15% опрошенных отмечают недостаточную последовательность и предприимчивость в данном направлении. И только 6% участников опроса думают, что Владимир Путин проявляет даже излишнюю активность в этом вопросе", — уточняет ВЦИОМ.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/society/20140723/1017192584.html#ixzz38HY2MCjR

[Bubyr]

То что ополченцы отступают это логично учитывая превосходство укров в силах и средствах. Может это прозвучит цинично но повстанцы и так прыгнули выше головы! Главная цель ДНР и ЛНР это МАКСИМАЛЬНО ослабить хунту(по этому Россия их и не признала) России нужна ВСЯ Украина в виде дружественного государства.

[fridge]

Quote: Himalayan

А вот там , где поддержка населением была массовой , там США хромали

Общаюсь с девушкой с Луганска и вот ее сообщение последнее, как некоторые ведут себя.
А утром самолёты начали летать над домом, страху навели на меня, девчёнок выводить в подвал хотела, встретили соседку сказала выпускали тепловые ловушки их не бойся. Так страшно былою
А муж поехал с мужиками гулять, бухать. Козёл.

[Russ69]

ДОНЕЦК, 23 июл — РИА Новости. Ополченцы Донецкой народной республики сбили военный самолет в районе крушения малайзийского Boeing, сообщили РИА Новости в ополчении в среду.

"С Саур-могилы подбили самолет. Он ушел в сторону Луганска и, возможно, там упал", — сказали ополченцы.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20140723/1017197525.html#ixzz38HeWBP1v

[Thompson]

Quote: REDBLUE

I think Kiev has money left for 2-3 months of war. Next, the dill will merge. It is unlikely that the United States has a debt of trillions of dollars or the IMF will sponsor dill. So, you need to hold out until October, and there will be a lull. It will pass into the passive phase. If Russia supports Novorossia with technology and finances, then after NG, everything will go the other way around. The Slavs will beat the Nazis on all fronts.

Не будьте наивны! Уж ради такого лакомого кусочка не только американцы, но и европа последние гроши отдаст.
это видно по всем их действиям за последнее время и к бабке не ходи

[captain]

Если Киев победит в этой войне , то можете меня называть кем угодно , но Крым у нас заберут . Может через международные суды , может вооруженным путем , но заберут. Мы упустили момент в марте. А сейчас вводить войска нельзя , против нас выступит очень много украинцев. А тогда мы могли создать независимое государство Новороссия , могли дойти до границ 1939г и оставить Украину без Галичины , т.е без этого вечного дурдома , а сейчас.... мы агрессоры в глазах всего мира в случае ввода войск.

[T80UM1]

я это предсказал месяц назад...

[siberalt]

И что Лисичянск, если в тылу вражеская артиллерия и многотысячная группировка укров? Откуда резервы, если они бегут в Россию, туда где поспокойнее? К тому же, никто не знает реальную обстановку ни у укров, ни у ополчения. Похоже, дела плохи не только у ополченцев. Война есть война. Так, что пожелаем защитникам Новороссии удачи и Победы!

[Russ69]

23.07.2014/14/03 XNUMX:XNUMX (Moscow time) Summary from I.I. Strelkova.

"Продолжается тяжелый бой под Мариновкой. Наши прочно удерживают Дубровку и атакуют в направлении на запад и юго-запад. Наша артиллерия наносит удары по сосредоточениям противника у Григоровки и в районе таможенного терминала "Мариновка". Туда сейчас стянуты подразделения ков из "Азова" и еще какой-то нацгадовский сброд.
Over Saur-Grave downed attack aircraft APU. The pilot ejected. Perhaps another plane is damaged.
In the morning the DRG of the 2 Slavic battalion attacked an enemy checkpoint on the outskirts of Starobeshevo. It was possible to “lure” the unit ZU-23-2 on the truck from the unit and pat it to the servants. In ukrov 2 "two hundred" exactly and, presumably, three more wounded. For our part, one is wounded in the arm. "

23.07.2014.12:05 (мск) Сообщение от ополченца Прохорова
"Похоже, украинцы снова пытаются наступать на Горловку. Лисичанск также обстреливается, в свою очередь, ополченцы подорвали автомобильный мост между Лисичанском и Северодонецком. Вчера с него славно накрыли минометами колонну нацгадов, которые ехали в Лисичанск на зачистку, думая, что город пуст".

[komrad.klim]

Quote: captain

Если Киев победит в этой войне , то можете меня называть кем угодно , но Крым у нас заберут . Может через международные суды , может вооруженным путем , но заберут. Мы упустили момент в марте. А сейчас вводить войска нельзя , против нас выступит очень много украинцев. А тогда мы могли создать независимое государство Новороссия , могли дойти до границ 1939г и оставить Украину без Галичины , т.е без этого вечного дурдома , а сейчас.... мы агрессоры в глазах всего мира в случае ввода войск.

Если Украина нападет на Россию, в худшем случае на месте Украины будет гладкая пустыня.

[brisk]

Цитата: komrad.klim (2) RU Сегодня, 14:36

Если Украина нападет на Россию, в худшем случае на месте Украины будет гладкая пустыня.

Да не будет, не будет Украина нападать на Россию! Вы что, самозомбированный?

[brelok]

Quote: Appius

Война стоит дорого, укроэкономика трещит по швам. И.И. Стрелкову с его армией нужно держаться и выматывать киевскую хунту.

а ЧТО МИНУСУЮТ? ВСЕ ПРАВИЛЬнО!

[Ross]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Scoun

In the 2015 year, the people of Ukraine will enter jumping.

Yes, half will go to Russia, having deleted their accounts in social networks, where they mixed Russia with shit.

Вот в этом все Украинство. 2 украинца-партизанский отряд, 3-и - партизанский отряд с предателем....

[Alexander I]

Война с превосходящими силами это талант полководца. А вот то,что Сбербанк финансирует эту Киевскую хунту в лице Гермен Греф. Возникает вопрос как это может быть. Кто правит нашими деньгами. Выходит Хунта воюет Российскими деньгами против Русского народа. Куда смотрит Президент, правительство, парламент. Выкачали весь капитал из России. Вот вся причина того, что правительство не помогает Новороссам им эта война это нажива но горе людей.
Перейди по ссылке. http://lunin812.livejournal.com/487080.html

[cosmos132]

"Над Саур-Могилой сбит штурмовик ВСУ. Пилот катапультировался. Возможно, еще один самолет поврежден", - сообщил министр обороны самопровозглашенной Донецкой народной республики Игорь Стрелков.

"Пилот одного из штурмовиков катапультировался в районе Снежного. Ведутся его поиски. Еще один самолет Су-25, по предварительной информации, поврежден и ушел в северном направлении", - сообщили в штабе ополчения.

По словам Стрелкова, в настоящее время под Мариновкой продолжается тяжелый бой. Он также сообщил, что к таможенному терминалу "Мариновка" стянуты подразделения "Азова" и Нацгвардии Украины.

"Наши прочно удерживают Дубровку и атакуют в направлении на запад и юго-запад. Наша артиллерия наносит удары по сосредоточениям противника у Григоровки и в районе таможенного терминала Мариновка", - сообщил командующий армией ДНР.

Тем временем в Киеве подтвердили потерю двух самолетов на востоке Украины. Как сообщил пресс-офицер штаба военной операции Алексей Дмитрашковский, данных о судьбе летчиков пока нет.

"У нас есть информация о сбитых самолетах-истребителях, сейчас выясняются обстоятельства произошедшего", - сказал он.

[azbukin77]

Сижу на валидоле! Сердце старое.Кого Вова обещал мочить, он и не помнит. Слишком много безвинных жертв.Детей жалко!

[Alexander I]

Война с превосходящими силами это талант полководца. А вот то,что Сбербанк финансирует эту Киевскую хунту в лице Гермен Греф. Возникает вопрос как это может быть. Кто правит нашими деньгами. Выходит Хунта воюет Российскими деньгами против Русского народа. Куда смотрит Президент, правительство, парламент. Выкачали весь капитал из России. Вот вся причина того, что правительство не помогает Новороссам им эта война это нажива но горе людей.
Перейди по ссылке. http://lunin812.livejournal.com/487080.html

[zol1]

At the same time, cooperation between the Kharkov tank factory and Russian partners continues. Recently, a large batch of diesel engines for tanks manufactured by the Yaroslavl diesel equipment plant was delivered to Kharkov. It is significant that the YAZDA website has information on cooperation with such enterprises as Avtodiesel, KAMAZ, Altaydizel, Minsk and Tutaevsky motor plants. The Malyshev plant prudently does not appear on the lists, but two independent sources confirmed that information about the YAZDA equipment being installed on Ukrainian tanks.

Гнобить надо в первую очередь своих олигархов, которые ради прибыли готовы маму родную, а потом уж Коломойских и прочих! Тем более свои сволочи гораздо опаснее!

[RUS33]

Quote: GSH-18

Quote: RUSS

Worst forecasts come true, b ... at least do not read and do not watch TV, some experiences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spakuha! Dill still grab to the fullest! It can not be in any other way. This provocation with the plane confused all the cards. Dill sat on the eve of three boilers, and now they are advancing. Well, nothing, it's not for long. Even the Serbs (about 250 fighters!) Came to help New Russia! Hang on guys! ALL RUSSIA is for you!

Правильно ,сколько средств и сил брошено на охрану от провокаций в месте крушения.Разберутся с этим и начнется наступление.

[Klan]

Quote: unwillingly

No one will support the campaign anymore. Late. It seems that all negotiations are about not to touch us. In a hurry to finish with Novorossia to climb in the Crimea

Да с чего вы все заладили "полезут в крым-полезут в крым!"????...у них силенок осталось на 2 раза поссать,не говоря уже о том,что полезть в крым - это уже явная агрессия против РФ..ерунду-то не трындите....

[KBR109]

Quote: I am

Ты сам воевать с укропами хочешь ??????? Чего тогда ты тут сидишь !!!!!!! Покажи нам всем личным примером. Только учти Если все пойдут, то конечно победим сначала, а потм груз 200 начнет идти, ты хочешь стать эти грузом 200. Нет, убивать наших солдат будут не укропы и не бандеровцы - а войска нато. И это основная цель втянуть РОССИЮ в войну! Так как размен? согласен? Тогда БЕГОМ В ВОЕНКОМАТ !!!!!!!

Не пугай брат пуганые. Первый раз я подох в 1984, потом в1989, 1995 и 1996 годах. Поверь, сдохнуть в 2014 тоже не особая проблема, но ехать уже лень. Погожу пока они к нам на Кубань приедут. Извини, старый стал, ленивый. А из военкомата по первой же повестке пойду... Пацана же своего почти 17 летнего постараюсь спрятать...

[KBR109]

Quote: serega73

Farmason is right. A small part of the population is fighting, the main part is sitting and waiting where the swing will swing. They will drive the Natsiks - they will join the militias to drive the Natsiks, well, and if, God forbid, of course, the security forces crush the resistance, then the main thing is not to be noticed in sympathy with the militia. And then the neighbors will swoop where they should. There was material on the site, from the Lugansk militia, when they drive around the city with mortars and fight with the security forces. A lot of men sit and calmly drink beer, just contemplating the situation. For example, I have no confidence that the introduction of Russian troops into the southeast will receive the support of the local population. Rather, on the contrary, they will be dirty as far as possible. Knowing that the whole Western world will take up arms against Russia.

Ребята не будьте наивными. Любое государство имеет армию не свыше 1%населения. В отчаянных моментах на короткое время до 2%. Вот вам и весь х.. до копейки. Это-военная экономика...

[pvv113]

Последняя информация о потерях бандерлогов:

Igor Panarin
The total losses of punitive in the Donbass from May 2 to July 23, 2014 - 6489 people.
Today, two punitive aircraft were shot down. The percentage of losses of punitive warplanes reached 80%.
So, the total loss of punitive - 6489 people (killed, wounded, prisoners): of them
- 2160 extremists "Right Sector", mainly included in the National Guard, as well as losses among the soldiers of the National Guard of Ukraine. On May 29, Major General Sergei Kulchitsky, head of the National Guard Combat Training Directorate, was assassinated under Slavyansk.
- 1730 Ukrainian mercenaries of Kolomoisky (special battalions of Ukrainian mercenaries of Kolomoisky "Dnepr", "Donbass", "Aydar" and "Azov", etc.).
- 115 employees of the Security Service of Ukraine (Sumy Alpha completely destroyed, Kiev, Poltava, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, Rivne, Lutsk, Volyn, Vinnitsa, Zhytomyr Alpha suffered great losses, etc.)
- 330 foreign mercenaries: the Polish PMC ASBS Othago lost 139 people, the American PMC Greystone - 40 people, the American PMC Asademi (known until 2009 as Blackwater) - 125 people. Baltic women snipers lost 26 people.
- 200 military 95 airborne Zhytomyr brigade
- 180 military 25 airborne Dnipropetrovsk brigade
- 320 military 79 airborne brigade (Nikolaev)
- 290 military 24 mechanized brigade (city Yavoriv, ​​Lviv region)
-170 military personnel of the 80th airmobile regiment (Lviv)
- 60 military 3 Special Forces Regiment (Kirovograd)
- 30 military 8 Special Forces Regiment (Khmelnitsky)
-10 military 10 separate detachment of special purpose GUR (Kiev);
- 110 military 93 mechanized brigade (v. Cherkassky, Novomoskovsk district of Dnipropetrovsk region)
- 150 military 72 mechanized brigade (Belaya Tserkov, Kyiv region)
- 55 military personnel of the Lugansk border detachment
- 55 servicemen of the Donetsk border guard unit
- 30 military personnel of the 51 Brigade of Army Aviation of the National Guard (Alexandria, Kirovograd Region)
- 35 military personnel of the 16 Army Aviation Brigade (Brody, Lviv region)
-80 military personnel of 128 mountain infantry brigade (Mukachevo, Transcarpathian region)
- 100 Territorial Defense Battalion Service Men
- 40 military personnel of the 831 brigade of tactical aviation (Mirgorod, Poltava region)
-5 military personnel of 114 tactical aviation brigade (Ivano-Frankivsk)
-30 military personnel of the 299th tactical aviation brigade (Nikolaev)
-9 people from the 25th transport air brigade (Melitopol) - crew of the 1st IL-76
- 5 servicemen from a reconnaissance aircraft AN-30, shot down by 6 June (tentatively of the city of Chuguev, Kharkiv region)
- 25 CIA and FBI officers (13 killed, 12 injured)
- 50 MIA employees
Destroyed equipment:
-2 AN-26 aircraft
-1 reconnaissance aircraft AN-30
- 2 Aircraft - IL 76
- 16 of Su-25 airplanes (+ 1 SU-25 captured on July 7)
- 7 Su-24 aircraft
- 4 drone
- 19 attack helicopters ("Mi-24", "Mi-17" and "Mi-8")
- 104 T-64 tanks
- 7 T-72 tanks
- 1 tank "Bulat"
- 5 Hammers
- Jeep
- 16 Gas-66
- headquarters machine
- truck crane
- 19 Uralov
- 18 KAMAZ
-3 UAZ 469
-2 SAU-Nona
- ACS 2S3 "Akatsiya"
-2 anti-aircraft mounts ZU 23-2
-6 installations MLRS GRAD
-6 installations MLRS Hurricane
- 20 D-30 howitzers
-17 122 mm mortars
- 61 BMP
- 45 BMD.
- 122 BTR.

http://vk.com/id163797967

[Alexander67]

Quote: baltika-18

Quote: Kergudo Straight

I have in the bathroom

But I don’t have a bath either. Write the address in PM, we’ll come in the winter, we’ll see what kind of problems you have, the namesake. And for now, still a picture of your favorite commander.

Слушай обмылок укропский, ты зимой только на парашу приедешь. А приедешь так добро пожаловать, у нас земли много и везде удобрения в виде такого говна как ты нужно. ПИДО...РАС

[vezunchik]

Ранее в среду агентство Рейтер распространило интервью с Александром Ходаковским, в котором он заявил, что у ополченцев якобы мог быть комплекс "Бук", применение которого было спровоцировано украинскими силовиками, предпринявшими обстрелы с воздуха по наземным целям.
уже писали что на укропов работает и опять там крутится. где контр разведка???

[Semenov]

Все решит поддержка населения, а его мнение -"когда это все кончится" и "дайте нам спокойно жить и работать".

[oof]

Игоря Стрелкова цитирует РИА Новости:
Карловка нами оставлена, как и Нетайлово и Первомайское — под угрозой окружения и уничтожения имевшихся там наших небольших сил

А где же, 200 тысяч шахтеров? Где зашхерились? Почему не хватает людей?

[roman svarnoi]

Да пацаны еще не все,скоро у хохлов бабки то кончатся они уже и так потратили все что было.Надо еще у мвф брать,а на простой люд они не чего не тратят только на войну.Уже 3 мобилизацию объявили сколько еще люди терпеть будут.

[el.krokodil]

Цитата: lenahort

Guys, we must pray for Strelkova, the militia and New Russia! There is nothing else left.

рано панихиду заказывать...или вам каждый день победу подавай?