US intelligence agencies: Boeing-777 militia shot down, most likely by mistake

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On Tuesday, US intelligence officials said at a press briefing for journalists that the Malaysian Boeing-777 airliner was shot down over the territory of Ukraine by militias, who most likely made a mistake by mistaking it for a military aircraft, reports ITAR-TASS.

US intelligence agencies: Boeing-777 militia shot down, most likely by mistake


“We don’t know who hit the button ... We don’t know the name, we don’t know the rank, we are not even 100% sure of the nationality ... The most plausible explanation is that it was a mistake, and the rocket was launched by a poorly trained crew,” intelligence representative.

It was noted that Washington did not have any evidence of Russia's direct involvement in the disaster, but it “created the conditions” that led to the tragedy as a result. In addition, once again there were accusations against Moscow that it supplies the militia of the DPR and LPR with various weapons, including Tanks and air defense systems.

No technical information was provided to support the statements about the involvement of the militia in the crash. According to American intelligence officials, they are based on satellite imagery, radio interception, and information from various social networks. It was noted that the reliability of some data from open sources has not been confirmed.

RIA "News" reports that the United States also questioned the information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation about the situation that was developing in the area of ​​the crash of the Malaysian aircraft. On Tuesday, Russia's permanent representative to the EU, Vladimir Chizhov, said that the relevant report had been submitted to the European Union. According to him, on the part of the latter, “so far there is no reaction.”

“It was followed only by the United States, and was quite predictable - they put Russian data into question. This, of course, is their right. But, if they doubt, they would have to present their evidence, which they have not done yet. I will add that never in such situations the Americans do not present actual evidence, referring to the fact that this is intelligence information, that it may compromise their sources, etc., ”stressed Chizhov.

On July 21, the Russian military reported an increased activity of the Ukrainian radar stations shortly before the tragedy, the Buk anti-aircraft missile complex deployed to the militia territory, as well as a military aircraft, which was located next to the airliner.
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  1. +50
    23 July 2014 08: 01
    “We don’t know who hit the button ... We don’t know the name, we don’t know the rank, we are not even 100% sure of the nationality ... The most plausible explanation is that it was a mistake, and the rocket was launched by a poorly trained crew,” intelligence representative.



    We don’t know ... We don’t know ... We don’t know ... but RUSSIA is to blame anyway .... this is the position of the WEST .... JULIER UNHAPPY.
    1. +17
      23 July 2014 08: 05
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      We don’t know ... We don’t know ... We don’t know ... and RUSSIA ....

      At first they said: Russia was in the middle, now rebels and by chance! And this is in 5 days.
      after all, how they will sing in a week!
      1. +16
        23 July 2014 08: 29
        The Americans have already published high-resolution satellite images - there, generally speaking, everything is visible ..

        1. 0
          23 July 2014 08: 47
          Quote: Generalissimus
          The Americans have already published high-resolution satellite images - there, generally speaking, everything is visible ..


          Honestly ... only a cloud is visible .. nothing else. Even impossible to snap to a map ..
          -----------------
          Where can I find "..high-resolution pictures .."?
          1. +6
            23 July 2014 08: 53
            In the upper right corner are pictures. After processing the obtained images and removing the noise, the Buk operator is actually presented on the left side.
            1. 0
              23 July 2014 09: 25
              Quote: Generalissimus
              actually, the Buk operator is represented.

              It is necessary .. however, to understand.

              1) The picture was taken from a cyclic satellite (not geostationary). The direction to the object is 30 - 35 degrees to the vertical .. approximately.
              2) "the operator is filmed" with a direction to the vertical of 90 degrees.
              What's the matter? .. it's impossible.
              And further...
              Operators Buk (s) .. are they what? work in an open office?
              --------
              Not to mention the fact that the frontal impact of the charge from Buk would have swept the plane to shreds ... with the scattering of fragments over 5-8 km.
              -------
              It is necessary to understand.
              Maybe I don’t understand anything at all? Please explain. I am not a specialist in air defense.
              1. +12
                23 July 2014 09: 30
                Quote: ammunition
                It is necessary .. however, to understand.

                1) The picture was taken from a cyclic satellite. The direction to the object is 30 - 35 degrees to the vertical .. approximately.
                2) "the operator is filmed" with a direction to the vertical of 90 degrees.
                What's the matter? .. it's impossible.

                laughing there the operator in the picture is Putin. the man joked like that. wink
                Yes, and you read the article?
                they are based on satellite imagery, radio interception, and information from various social networks. laughing
                1. +9
                  23 July 2014 09: 40
                  Quote: RBLip
                  they are based on satellite images, radio interception, as well as information from various social networks.


                  feel
                  Ay - yay - yay ... I did not recognize the Supreme .. What a shame. feel
                  1. ABV
                    +1
                    23 July 2014 11: 30
                    nothing, I did not immediately admit it either .... if people are already posting pictures, I would like to be more clickable ...
                    1. +1
                      23 July 2014 11: 47
                      I don’t know why, but the picture is fixed in such a reduced size ..
                      From a computer it is not poured at all, but from a photo hosting only a reduced size.
                      I did not understand.
                2. +4
                  23 July 2014 14: 01
                  Quote: RBLip
                  information from various social networks

                  Well, again, work was added to the mattresses
            2. pahom54
              +3
              23 July 2014 10: 02
              la generalissimus
              Something I was looking at the picture for a long time at the bottom left, and it seems to me that the operator allegedly Buka looks like Putin ... Especially when it was the air defense system operators who were sitting at the combat post in white shirts with ties ???
              So this "hi-res image" is funny ...
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          2. Natalia
            +6
            23 July 2014 09: 07
            The Americans have a problem now.
            While everything is not in their favor, everything except PR in the media.
            American satellites recorded most likely, one way or another, the involvement of the Ukrainian side. And according to this, so as not to hit the dirt in the face, it was reported that it was unclear who specifically shot.

            Americans need at least something to reinforce their propaganda.
            But could airborne recorders, which they sent to decrypt to a country that put pressure on investigations, claiming that Russia was to blame by default, become this trump card? This country, as you know, is Great Britain.

            But it cannot turn out that the data will somehow be falsified, or given out as such.
            For example, pilot talks:
            - I see Putin, he is with a bazooka on the wing of the MiG-29 .... he is aiming at us, MEDEY! MEDEY!

            .... you see, it’s not clear why they gave it to the interested party?
        2. +1
          23 July 2014 10: 06
          I understand that this is a fake laughing , but where did you see BUK-M1 ??? The position of the gunner’s operator, well, not Bukovskoye, but if so, then I, it turns out, served on a lawn mower. The creators of such fakes would like to wish, teach the mat. Part so that the people at least believe a little tongue
          1. +4
            23 July 2014 14: 04
            Quote: MORDVIN13rus
            The position of the operator-gunner, well, not like Bukovskoye,

            and if you look closely, it’s GDP
            Quote: MORDVIN13rus
            The creators of such fakes would like to wish, teach the mat. Part so that the people at least believe a little

            So this is not a fake, but a joke. Well, golovnyak for the State Department
      2. +24
        23 July 2014 08: 33
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        let's see how they sing in a week!

        Statement by our sworn friends:
        1 Aircraft crashed ABOUT RUSSIAN SEPARATISTS !!!!
        2 Aircraft must have been shot down about Russian separatists
        3 We do not know who shot down.
        4 The plane is likely shot down by Ukrainians
        5 The plane was shot down by Ukrainians by mistake
        6 The plane was shot down by Ukrainians, but to whom it is now interesting. Let’s better talk about the fact that poor Ukrainians are freezing in the middle of winter without gas, which the Russians do not supply them (that they do not pay modestly silent for gas)
    2. +13
      23 July 2014 08: 07
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      We don’t know ... We don’t know ... We don’t know ... and RUSSIA ....


      And what to take from them? This is even before the results of the investigation. Gradually the tone will change. They will say that they are not sure who shot down at all, maybe ukrovoiny accidentally pressed a button. It is difficult and inconvenient to carve ourselves.
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    3. +19
      23 July 2014 08: 10
      all the same, RUSSIA is to blame .... such is the position of the WEST .... JULIEF ACCIDENT

      I wouldn’t reflect, this is a significant mitigation of rhetoric, like, Vlad, well, it’s not your fault, it's all your partisans, don’t mess around, we are all ours and we understand the rules of the game. Notice how sharp the decline is in just a few days.
      Plus, he was not too lazy, flipped through all the US media of the first echelon - CNN, FoxNews, HP, NYT - the news about the Boeing disappeared from the first pages, only CNN had a link to the column about the Boeing, but after the news about the recall of fruit, the obamaquer and other insignificant crap.
      Those. the news began to push into the basement.
      You should not expect that the West will repent - they already have the genes responsible for repentance have disappeared from the DNA, but the malice of their toothless, they marginalize with terrible force, and they can not be counted.
      1. nvv
        nvv
        +17
        23 July 2014 08: 21
        He listened, fell asleep, then listened again and again fell asleep. Bring back the psaki fiends! You cannot fall asleep from one species.
        1. +11
          23 July 2014 08: 24
          smile

          I join ... I demand from the US State Department to return the PSACS .... I miss her creativity ...
          1. +5
            23 July 2014 08: 37
            and you petition for their website, and we will sign it. We want the Russian spy D. Psaki returned!
        2. +4
          23 July 2014 08: 42
          Return the dog to the telly !!! angry
        3. +6
          23 July 2014 08: 53
          Quote: nvv
          He listened, fell asleep, then listened again and again fell asleep. Bring back the psaki fiends! You cannot fall asleep from one species.
        4. waisson
          +3
          23 July 2014 09: 35
          ----------- hi
        5. pahom54
          +1
          23 July 2014 10: 13
          for nvv

          Mblin, with difficulty listening ... Some kind of madhouse ... She has one thing - she is stupidly the same ...
          The correspondent guy is great, and the questions are correct, I especially liked the way he addressed Psaki: "You MAY know about the briefing held by the Russian Ministry of Defense ..."
          To the question: are you ready to provide intelligence about which you say how stupidly she began to evade ... Oh, how stupid everything is ...
          If we had such a press secretary, he would have to be sent immediately to the circus as a clown ...
          1. nvv
            nvv
            +1
            23 July 2014 13: 41
            You hardly, but listened. I envy. You are stronger. hi
          2. +4
            23 July 2014 14: 39
            this is not psaki) this is marie harf)
        6. +5
          23 July 2014 14: 30
          horror, MILLIONS of armed people crossed the border of Ukraine. she even thinks. what carries
      2. +3
        23 July 2014 09: 32
        Quote: Wellych
        Those. the news began to push into the basement.

        Back on Sunday, CNN started calling the militias "rebels" instead of the usual "separatists" or "militants". "rebels". So the tone changes.
    4. +4
      23 July 2014 08: 14
      "... it was a mistake ..."
      USA - this is a mistake in principle !!!
    5. +3
      23 July 2014 08: 15
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      We don’t know who clicked the button ...

      Most likely, the truth cannot be achieved.
      The rocket, they say, was, but who launched it is unknown. Yes
      This is a deja vu statement by a pig-like Ukrainian prosecutor on the occasion of a plane shot down in 2001. He claimed that the Tu-154 was then shot down by a missile, but that it was precisely the Ukrainian missile that was dumb of evidence. They reasonably objected: were there many rockets there? That ni, but sho ukrainian dumb maker. request laughing
      Even if after deciphering the black boxes there is evidence, for example, that a Boeing was shot down by a rocket launched from an airplane and then they would be lying that it is Russian (unidentified, alien, etc.).
    6. +4
      23 July 2014 08: 15
      The most plausible explanation is that it was a mistake, and the rocket was launched poorly trained crew- said a spokesman for intelligence. belay that is, it’s not necessary to detect and bring down the mind, but to recognize the goal of a Boeing or Tu-22 .... there is so much to learn !!! fool
    7. +8
      23 July 2014 08: 16
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      this is the position of the WEST.

      This is not a position-posture ... A position is usually affirmed on the basis of facts, arguments, evidence, of which there is not one iota in the words and deeds of US representatives.
      The most plausible explanation is that it was a mistake, and the rocket was launched by a poorly trained crew, ”a spokesman said
      He forgot to comment on the main and more than once proven in his "conclusion" - the most terrible mistake is the USA.
    8. +1
      23 July 2014 08: 44
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      We do not know ... We do not know ... We do not know ...


      Washington was never able to show evidence of Russia's involvement in the Boeing 777 disaster
      At a special briefing for journalists, senior US intelligence officials said they did not have direct evidence of Russia's involvement in the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777 in eastern Ukraine. Washington claims that a rocket was fired from an area controlled by the DNI militia. However, no evidence of this, except for messages on social networks, was provided.



      Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/42060#ixzz38GPOmP5S
      1. +1
        23 July 2014 08: 48
        Quote: Rus2012
        Washington was never able to show evidence of Russia's involvement in the Boeing 777 disaster


        But Russian experts argue that the B777 was shot down by Urkobandera -
        Versions of the Boeing's death: Russian experts blame the Ukrainian military
        The objective monitoring data released by the Russian Ministry of Defense has provided experts around the world with rich food for thought about the possible causes of the Malaysian Boeing crash. Moreover, since this time it was about pure facts, and not about records on social networks, new versions appeared, to put it mildly, different from the one that the United States and its allies insist on ...

        Fully- http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1824710&cid=7
    9. +2
      23 July 2014 09: 20
      We don’t know ... We don’t know ... We don’t know ... but RUSSIA is to blame anyway .... this is the position of the WEST

      I wonder if they feel okay? Yesterday they showed Cameron and Rutte and other EU members without batting an eye summarize that Russia is guilty. Why doesn't someone ask them for proof? Or did they fucking read on Instagram? or on twitter? Let's write there that Obama is gay and we let the "yars" into America and she got a kirdyk - that they will also believe? Let's shoot a video and post it on YouTube for greater persuasiveness.
      In fact, it’s sad, people in leading positions in not the last countries of the world openly lie and say absurd things. Showing its incompetence and dependence on the United States. I don’t even speak about the notorious English pride, since there is nothing left of it.
      1. +1
        23 July 2014 09: 59
        It's simple, when someone is lying, they beat him .. And for a long time no one beat them physically or financially .. That’s when they will answer for every lie, losing money or the next switchman who sits on the bunk will be told this lie, then they’ll stop lying ..
        1. +4
          23 July 2014 14: 49
          Quote: max702
          That's when they will answer for every lie, losing money or will sit on the bunk

          and this happens when they lie about their country
      2. +1
        23 July 2014 12: 44
        Yesterday they showed both Cameron and Rutte and other EU members, without blinking, summing up that Russia is guilty

        again, in view of the pause at work, he slipped through Dutch sites. They were poher, mourning was declared, but somewhere it wasn’t even right away, but cleanly, well, they shot down something, someone said that there were ours, well, in general, we will lower our flags, of course ...
      3. +4
        23 July 2014 14: 47
        [quote = volodyk50] people in leadership positions in not the last countries of the world openly lie and say absurd things [/ quote they do not lie. they voice the position of the usa
    10. +1
      23 July 2014 09: 35
      The next fabrications of mattresses, presented without any evidence as indisputable truth. This is the whole point of the Anglo-Saxons that they themselves have appropriated the right to be infallible and always right, and this will destroy them.
    11. +1
      23 July 2014 09: 45
      Yes, how much can you talk with these ami !!! There is a good biblical saying: There is no point in throwing beads in front of pigs! And accordingly, there is no point in Russia becoming like these devil guides!
    12. Yuriyv
      0
      23 July 2014 15: 50
      Lech, I'm sorry, I can’t leave a comment, the site is not fully loaded!

      Comrades, who controls us? No, not sheep-wolves! So as not to touch their capital over the hill, they will bleat and chew their snot and continue to pretend to be fluffy! No questions are asked why it is impossible to give a normal answer for unreasonable accusations from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, so that all sorts of geyrops and a monkey from a whitehouse know their place, there WILL BE NO ANSWER!
    13. Vita_vko
      0
      24 July 2014 00: 47
      To stop speculation about the downed passenger Boeing, it is necessary for the local population to draw the area of ​​the alleged launch of the Buk missile from 1 to 3 km in the direction of the point of its meeting with the plane. It is necessary to find the launch stage of the 9M38 rocket. It detaches at about 5 seconds. This is such a green pipe with a nozzle and it must have a number on which it can be established to whom it belonged to the rocket.
      I especially liked the phrase "by mistake". So the Americans know for sure that they shot down a dill missile.
      1. Vita_vko
        0
        31 July 2014 22: 05
        This is the world-old practice of state raiding, which the United States has been using around the world since the middle of the last century. Unleash a war - devalue - confiscate and divide among themselves. The usual robbery of state criminals, not even disguised as some kind of company such as the fight against terrorism, genocide or corruption, as they usually do. And why, if the "masters of the world" gave the go-ahead even for mass murders.
  2. +16
    23 July 2014 08: 05
    Oh how! Already a mistake. After deciphering the flight recorders will be: "... Well, we did not want, it is very like - then accessed by pressing the button nigga already dismissed from the sun (or significant hanged Ku - Klux - Clan), etc ...." ... A nation of moral freaks, bl ...
  3. +6
    23 July 2014 08: 06
    not the whole world is as stupid as psaki .. for every tricky nut-rusty bolt! the whole truth will come out .. and our intelligence will help .. too pin.dos are confident in their bullshit .. the current who shoots the last laughs .. am
  4. +5
    23 July 2014 08: 06
    I didn’t expect anything else from the USA. Where is the evidence? At least satellite images? And the fact that the Ukrainian army could have a "poorly trained crew" does not even arise?
    1. +3
      23 July 2014 08: 41
      Quote: Egoza
      And the fact that the Ukrainian army could have a "poorly trained crew" does not even arise?
      Well, of course, such a thought does not arise, because the crew was enticed by the CIA, and therefore, in principle, it cannot be bad.
    2. +4
      23 July 2014 14: 51
      Quote: Egoza
      At least satellite images?

      the film turned out to be illuminated laughing
  5. +7
    23 July 2014 08: 06
    The fact that Russian volunteers help militias is an act of humane solidarity with fraternal people.
    It is impossible to understand that American politicians and the military are directly involved in the Ukrainian war.
    1. +1
      23 July 2014 08: 37
      They have the same moral: - "nothing PERSONAL, just -" business ... "".
      They’re for money, they’ll probably shoot their own mother, the hand will not flinch.
      After all, the soul does not hurt amers when they hand over their parents to an orphanage. Although, how can a soul hurt if SHE is absent in their "bodies" (bodies)?
  6. +11
    23 July 2014 08: 06
    According to U.S. intelligence officials, they are based on satellite imagery, radio interception data, and information from various social networks.


    ,,,, bully on social networks, the most reliable sources wassat
    1. +4
      23 July 2014 14: 53
      Quote: bubalik
      on social networks, the most reliable sources

      well, but they certainly didn’t see that they had been refuted long ago. By the way, she said that these sources were provided to them by the outskirts
  7. +4
    23 July 2014 08: 07
    “We don’t know who clicked the button ... We don’t know the name, we don’t know the title, we are not even 100% sure of nationality ----- but we definitely know that Putin and Shoigu are to blame, they are already to blame for the fact that they were born
  8. Tumbler
    +4
    23 July 2014 08: 07
    Yes they all know. But they will not say that they shot down Ukrainians ?! So Russia is to blame for everything.
    I look forward to the Maidan in the United States.
    1. +9
      23 July 2014 08: 11
      Quote: Tumbler
      I look forward to the Maidan in the United States.

      Do not wait!
      "Report to the head of the CIA
      Director of the CIA from the head of the department in Kiev.

      I inform you that plans A and B have failed. Plan C is on the verge of failure. I see no prospects for the development and implementation of other plans.
      I report the reason for the failure. Our fatal mistake was the interaction with the SBU and the General Staff of Ukraine. They can’t be entrusted with anything. They fail all possible tasks that are given to them.
      They cannot even be instructed to draw a decanter of water. Yesterday I asked a local clerk to get some water and gave me my decanter. I never saw the clerk or the decanter again .... "
      Continued here -
      http://novorus.info/news/interesno/25438-iz-zhizni-rezidenta-cru-v-kieve.html
      1. -2
        23 July 2014 08: 15
        A reference, please! It may well be fake
      2. +4
        23 July 2014 08: 17
        I look forward to the Maidan in the United States.

        I believe, Elena, that my colleague was referring to Maidans from Aboriginal people of the USA, and not from refugees from Tseuropa or their relatives living in the States.
      3. +1
        23 July 2014 08: 55
        Read. Smiled! lol
  9. +3
    23 July 2014 08: 08
    US also questioned Russian Defense Ministry data
    And I question the US data. What are they? Some kind of psakobalaboly.
  10. +6
    23 July 2014 08: 08
    Got it! Intelligence from social networks!
  11. andrey903
    +3
    23 July 2014 08: 08
    On the side of the militias could not be not trained beech personnel. Rather, Ukrainians scored Maidan activists who can only be trusted with Molotov cocktails
  12. +2
    23 July 2014 08: 08
    The attack was ordered to substitute the Russian Federation and the militias initially. So what do you want, although they will directly prove that the liner shot down Ukraine’s air defense, Russia will still be to blame. Beech-type saboteurs were brought to the territory of Ukraine, to the ATO forces zone, changed into ukroforma, posed for a satellite and shot.
  13. +2
    23 July 2014 08: 09
    they are based on satellite imagery, radio interception data, and information from various social networks.
    Social media intelligence? Well, in principle, you can probably filter something there ... But in order to seriously declare these sources as reliable? Would be ashamed ... In short, the conclusion: "Blah-blah-blah. Who shot down - it is not clear. Russia is to blame." It’s even somehow surprising why we didn’t start with the last thesis.
  14. +5
    23 July 2014 08: 09
    We do not know anything, but we are sure. (Psaki, Harf, American intelligence agencies, American government. (C)

    Here I’m starting to take Zadornov’s opus about America more seriously.

    What stupid shots, they can’t even provoke properly. Obama clearly needs perestroika spotted to help.
  15. +2
    23 July 2014 08: 09
    Already wrote:
    For an objective investigation, experts from the Almaz-Antey and TRV corporations must now work at the crash site, otherwise all of this is meaningless.
    IMHO
  16. +4
    23 July 2014 08: 11
    Quote: bubalik
    According to U.S. intelligence officials, they are based on satellite imagery, radio interception data, and information from various social networks.


    ,,,, bully on social networks, the most reliable sources wassat

    Not that word. Intelligence takes data and networks have sunk. They would also go to the markets, where the grandmothers with seeds also have reliable information.
    1. +4
      23 July 2014 14: 57
      Quote: Pro100
      They would also go to the markets, where the grandmothers with seeds also have reliable information.

      there are all the time agents of the FSB laughing
  17. +2
    23 July 2014 08: 12
    Rats sang differently, but we would have to prove more to squeeze
    1. +3
      23 July 2014 08: 19
      There is proof, do not worry. Our military has many aces up its sleeve on this topic. And the mattresses know about it - there’s how Naglia wagged right away, covering their ass.
      Another thing is that it’s not the right time to press it now. But when there will be data of black boxes ... and then crack with all the dope.
  18. +2
    23 July 2014 08: 12
    As usual, the Americans included a fool.
  19. +3
    23 July 2014 08: 17
    I believe the US should be destroyed. Preferably by mistake. Well, with whom it does not happen, the wrong button on the remote control was pressed on duty ...
    1. +4
      23 July 2014 14: 58
      Quote: Flinky
      Well, with whom it does not happen, the wrong button on the remote control was pressed on duty ...

      and then we will find out the name and title of this person smile
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  21. +3
    23 July 2014 08: 21
    Bear, Wolf, Fox and Hare sit down to play cards.
    The bear warns:
    - And whoever cheats, he will get impudent
    red face!

    Eh, dreams, dreams ......
  22. +2
    23 July 2014 08: 22
    maybe in America September 11 will happen again? Too much negative they spill out on planet Earth ....
    1. P-38
      +1
      23 July 2014 08: 59
      "God," he said, "sometimes your vengeance lingers; but then it descends even more formidable from heaven."

      Alexandre Dumas, from the novel "The Count of Monte Cristo".
  23. kowalski
    +3
    23 July 2014 08: 23
    "however, she" created conditions "that resulted in tragedy"
    Washington has created such conditions all over the world. With the richest evidence base, a bunch of military bases, advisers, hidden sabotage groups ... the United States is itself a continuous "condition" of the tragedy! And nothing ! Half of the world lined up a swarthy buttock to lick ...
  24. +1
    23 July 2014 08: 25
    Well, the "rollback" has gone ... now they said that the militias were mistaken, well, and then it turns out that the Ukrainians were mistaken ... so it turns out that people tend to make mistakes ... people tend to die ... and we get in the end that everyone has the right to be wrong except for Russia!
  25. korablik
    +3
    23 July 2014 08: 26
    Again a lie. Sanctions against the Russian Federation will still be introduced. Russia is to blame. Well, one must admit to the GDP its moral error. The killing of civilians by ukrovavaffe pilots began long ago. Obl.adm. Lugansk (oh, militiamen from MANPADS spanked), the village Lugansk - 2 attack aircraft shot civilians (oh, mixed up). In response, silence! Kuevskaya junta became impudent from impunity. They shot down a Boeing, tried to blame it on the Russian Federation. Failed. Cynically, insolently finished off from the attack aircraft. (Nonsense, let’s take a look, abroad will help us!). Anglo-Saxons urge, demand from the GDP to change their attitude towards the conflict on the South-East Ruins. Right! Introduce an unmanned zone over Novorossia. So that none of the ukrovaffe could no longer kill civilians from their dill. The Kremlin also bears moral blame for inaction with respect to impunity for civilian air killings. This will be an adequate response to the sanctions. If you are to blame, you need to do something. Otherwise, the junta will still be engaged in the bombing of peaceful objects.
  26. HAM
    +1
    23 July 2014 08: 26
    PSAKI drives both the State Department and Langley !!! You will have to turn on the "fool" more than once!
  27. +4
    23 July 2014 08: 28
    cool, they didn’t present their pin.dos data, but ours don’t count ... request

    US intelligence failed to prove the involvement of the Russian forces in the wreck. The United States called the disaster data of the Russian Ministry of Defense "untenable", but did not provide its own documentary evidence.
    1. +4
      23 July 2014 08: 45
      Quote: Russ69
      cool, they didn’t present their pin.dos data, but ours don’t count ... request

      US intelligence failed to prove the involvement of the Russian forces in the wreck. The United States called the disaster data of the Russian Ministry of Defense "untenable", but did not provide its own documentary evidence.

      In general, in the current situation in the world, hearing - and beautifully designed suspicions - is a terrible weapon. Then, when the truth becomes clear, she will not interest anyone. Hearing and a general opinion around him will already form a common position and will firmly sit in your head and try to prove later that you are not foolish.
      So it works
      As an example. Operation The defensive wall (Jenin 2002) Arvfat tolled around the world. that Israel massacred in Jenin and killed more than 1000 people. that people were crushed by tanks.
      Who then interested. that according to the results of the investigation, it turned out that 56 people died and in total (if you can call it that) 14 civilians.
      1000 --- everyone was already sitting in the brain and no facts could change it, just like changing the public opinion formed by (false)
      They do the same here. When in half a year - a year there will be conclusions of the official commission - it will not interest anyone anymore and prove retroactively - that you are not a camel - it may succeed (0 for domestic consumption - but the image of a bloodthirsty enemy will already be formed.
      Therefore, in any case, the Russian Federation will remain guilty or not guilty --- guilty.
      Alas request
      1. HAM
        +1
        23 July 2014 11: 05
        You are right, everything is correct. We also went through, and more than once, through many false accusations, but in the end, no one remembers who still shot down TU154 from Tel Aviv, who attacked South Ossetia! It’s easier to remember than to bother yourself with thoughts!
  28. +2
    23 July 2014 08: 28
    America will until the last claim ... that we were standing next to the launch ... even if all the facts speak otherwise ... psaki tactics ... I think ... the information does not prove anything. Even if in the end it becomes clear the cause of the tragedy ... the world community will have a very muddy sediment on the participation of Russia ... these are the information wars waged by modern Goebels.

    Nobody talks about the traces of a rocket’s defeat (traces on the skin or engine) ... it seems that the explosion was on board after all.
  29. +3
    23 July 2014 08: 29
    Again 25. It did not go straight to blame Russia (although the United States, England, Canada, and some Australia still slander Russia unjustifiably), they begin to enter from another side. Let's see what will happen next. One gets the feeling that Russia still has a trump card up its sleeve.
  30. +3
    23 July 2014 08: 29
    Quote: Dr.Faust.Patron
    I don’t understand the Yankees: if their DSP satellite has monitored the thermal signatures of the launch, well, they dumped proof on the table, fucking intrigue "is, but we will not show .."

    They are afraid of scum Kiev substitute, amused about social networks, adults, and they carry such nonsense.
  31. +4
    23 July 2014 08: 29
    "... the rocket was launched by a poorly trained crew" - I'm certainly a layman in this area, but how could a poorly trained crew shoot down a plane at an altitude of 10 km ?! Indeed, in order to learn how to operate this complex, you need to study for more than one month, to conduct practical shooting. And the crew must work in concert. When the militias had time to train and practice, either they are lucky or some kind of mysticism.
  32. +4
    23 July 2014 08: 30
    Well, as always: Russia is to blame for what it is.
  33. +3
    23 July 2014 08: 31
    Where is the satellite image with the rocket trail from the "Buk" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
  34. +6
    23 July 2014 08: 32
    "We have no data, we are not 100% sure, but it's still Russia’s fault."
    Though they hit them on the head, stupid and stubborn.
    Russia changed the flight route of the aircraft, Russia started a war with its own people. Russia is to blame all around. Think stupidly, since there is no brain in my head, what for does Russia need this?
    I hate it. There will be a mess, I will not take a pin. I will not take a prisoner, I will come to Fashington and I will clean it there am
  35. +4
    23 July 2014 08: 33
    Come on. Although they admitted that the militia had reason to shoot down military aircraft. And what are they doing there? And the militias are not so frail. "Birdies" are spanked at an altitude of 10 thousand km. And even lightly stroked the head - by mistake, they say, it happens to anyone. This speaks of the weak position of the opponents of the State Department. Although, they all know perfectly well and this already sounds like a ridiculous excuse.
    1. +4
      23 July 2014 15: 04
      Quote: siberalt
      "Birdies" are spanked at an altitude of 10 thousand km.

      Yes, this is a satellite, not a Boeing)
  36. +4
    23 July 2014 08: 33
    Today, in the world community, where the leadership undoubtedly belongs to the United States and the European Union, the paradigm of political assessments is being reintroduced, which was already used in the 30s of the twentieth century in the formation of Hitler's Germany. and historical justice ", with the long-term goal of growing Hitlerite Germany and inciting it against the USSR.

    So today, the objectivity and legitimacy of political processes will now be determined by the vote of the international community, and not by objective facts, even if documented three times. Today, the United States is able to force most countries to vote and form the opinion of the world community at its direction. And if they vote that you are a wolf in sheep's clothing, then so be it, although you are a ram from birth and all your relatives are rams.
    Today we need to understand that Russia has only one reliable partner left - this is the Russian army and navy. And today's policy should not be built on the basis of the interests of the oligarchy, but of the interests of defending the Fatherland and restoring political and economic influence in all post-Soviet countries, including by the method of coercion. You need to understand that the West has definitely taken a tough course towards strangling the economy and dismembering Russia
  37. +3
    23 July 2014 08: 34
    On Tuesday, Russia's Permanent Representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov said that the corresponding The report was submitted to the European Union. According to him, on the part of the latter “there is no reaction so far”.

    «She followed only from the USA, and was quite predictable - they questioned the Russian data. This, of course, is their right. But, if in doubt, they would have to present their evidence, which they still have not done. I will add that never in such situations do Americans produce factual evidence, citing that it is intelligence information, that it could compromise their sources, etc., ”Chizhov emphasized.


    And after all, it’s not surprising already that the report was sent to the EEC (maid), but the United States (sir) answered. And the EEC still gurgles from the stands about some kind of sovereignty.

    Old Europe caved in
    She lay down for a long time under the USA.
    And I learned to think *
    Why slut head.
    1. 0
      23 July 2014 09: 10
      Thought it over. But is it possible to use this whole situation with Boeing to introduce a no-fly zone over the territory of the conflict? AND?
  38. Book
    +2
    23 July 2014 08: 37
    How can Russia and VV Putin not understand that the states will blame Russia for everything and will not stop pushing until at the same time inciting other countries and threatening the sanctions they impose successfully until they respond very very harshly.
    They threaten, impose sanctions, and the Russian Federation imposed sanctions against criminals who have already served .. What did they want to achieve with this, is there any nonsense !? What kind of nonsense is this? It takes some decisive step to shudder those over who are trying to break us.
  39. Iero
    +1
    23 July 2014 08: 38
    They softly lay down "most likely they were mistaken" - you just admit, you will have a discount ...
  40. +3
    23 July 2014 08: 40
    I think we should not expect truth from the United States, Russia should not pay attention to all these statements and systematically strengthen the state. (Which is happening)
  41. +2
    23 July 2014 08: 42
    Do you really think that they will provide us with the true results of the investigation? I doubt that the Dutch and Malaysians, whom the United States dance in all holes, will give what is not profitable to the states or defames them. The same situation with ICAO. Maybe our specialists will be allowed to investigate, but they may not agree with the opinion.
  42. +2
    23 July 2014 08: 42
    Who are these Americans at all ??? fuck what they think, know or don’t know, they have their own territory, so let her graze on it. In recent years, what Russian, what European media are constantly looking at Washington’s reaction, what and how they think ... yeah fuck, do not care and rub their opinion.
  43. +2
    23 July 2014 08: 44
    "... as well as information from various social networks" - this is generally nonsense
    1. +4
      23 July 2014 15: 07
      Quote: Good cat
      as well as information from various social networks "

      ... provided by the Ukrainian side. it's all over nonsense
  44. +3
    23 July 2014 08: 46
    Comrades, look at another example of a policy of double standards — talking to GDP a couple of days ago, Mr. Prime Minister Blue, I apologize to the orange country of the Netherlands, emphasized respect for Russia's position on Ukraine and even made a joint statement with our president about a similar position on Boeing. Today, he is already negotiating with Obama to tighten the sanctions against the aggressor-Russia!

    What are we talking about here? Who do we want and what to convince ??

    As my wife's grandfather used to say, nodding at my grandmother: "At least in the jo ... poo, you will never please!"
  45. +1
    23 July 2014 08: 48
    There were two versions of this article at the BBC. Screenshot of the first.

    The meaning of the article is different
  46. +2
    23 July 2014 08: 49
    “We don’t know who hit the button ... We don’t know the name, we don’t know the rank, we are not even 100% sure of the nationality ... The most plausible explanation is that it was a mistake, and the rocket was launched by a poorly trained crew,” intelligence representative.

    It’s joyful that the intonations of the foreign media began to change ... We clearly understood that they were once again blundered ....
  47. +1
    23 July 2014 08: 59
    The earth is flat and stands on three elephants.
    Americans are engaged in obscurantism. Any statements must have evidence.
  48. +1
    23 July 2014 09: 00
    Since the "black boxes" from Boeing are in the hands of British specialists, we can say that they, the recorders, are in the hands of the American special services. And it is clear HOW the "decryption results" will be taught. Therefore, everything will go further according to the worst-case scenario. Americans are masters of manipulating data and shaking test tubes. And masters at unleashing wars. They did not have a war on their territory. Have not tasted all this "charm". I never wanted war on anyone, but I wish Uncle Sam. And on his land. To understand what it is.
  49. +1
    23 July 2014 09: 05
    There is a lot of political trade. Without a doubt, ours has something to pin the tail with. There was already a smell of paleninka. I propose to pay attention to the analysis of Mr. Yura from the city of Sumy http://yurasumy.livejournal.com/2014/07/22/
    Everything is more than clear ....
    1. +4
      23 July 2014 15: 14
      Quote: 341712
      I propose to pay attention to the analysis of Mr. Yura from the city of Sumy

      well, that is very similar to the truth. very very similar
  50. +2
    23 July 2014 09: 20
    the missile was launched by a poorly trained crew, ”a spokesman for intelligence said.

    How then could they get there, if they are poorly trained ??? belay Give the beginner a rifle and set the target at 100 meters, will it hit the first time? The answer is obvious- NO!
  51. Noki51177
    +1
    23 July 2014 09: 22
    Американским лжецам доверия всё меньше.
    1. +4
      23 July 2014 15: 15
      Quote: Noki51177
      Американским лжецам доверия всё меньше.

      а оно вообще когда было
  52. waisson
    +1
    23 July 2014 09: 31
    --------------------- hiа дети это армия укропов
  53. +2
    23 July 2014 09: 38
    Самая большая ошибка - гос.деп США с командой дрессированых мартышек в Киеве. Однако к видеоредактору Авакова уже видимо не подпускают и фотографиями Бука на трейлере больше не размахивают. Ученики провалили экзамен по изготовлению компромата.
  54. +1
    23 July 2014 09: 46
    «Мы не знаем, кто нажал на кнопку… Мы не знаем имя, не знаем звание, мы даже не уверены на сто процентов в национальной принадлежности… Самое правдоподобное объяснение — что это была ошибка, и ракета была запущена плохо обученным экипажем»

    1. Кнопку чего?
    2. Если не знаете, что тогда пи..те?
  55. +2
    23 July 2014 09: 49
    Головная часть ракеты комплекса "Бук" начинена грубо говоря шрапнелью, которая создает облако, превращающее обшивку самолета в сито...Поражающие элементы должны быть и в трупах пассажиров...Насчет трупов судить трудно, но специалисты уже склоняются к ракете класса "воздух-воздух" Р-60, либо к авиационной пушке...Гипотетически можно представить, что ополченцы "отжали" у ЗСУ либо у Российских ВС ЗРК "Бук" со всей приблудой, за неделю-полторы восстановили и освоили его(пр принципу "нажмешь сюды и сюды, глядя по картинке"), но ведь Су-25 у них вообще один и он в ЛНР, а не в ДНР и не факт, что с боекомплектом, может вообще только устрашающие полеты проводит или сбрасывает с подвесок самодельные бомбы...В общем с любой стороны нескладушка, с косяками рукожопых ЗСУ и их не менее рукожопых американских кураторов...
  56. +1
    23 July 2014 09: 53
    “We don’t know who hit the button ... We don’t know the name, we don’t know the rank, we are not even 100% sure of the nationality ... The most plausible explanation is that it was a mistake, and the rocket was launched by a poorly trained crew,” intelligence representative.

    Загорелось под задом. Поняли, куда камень упадет. Вот и начинают выгораживать Украину. Мол не судите строго, плохо обученные. С кем ни бывает. Вот лицемерные твари.
  57. waisson
    +2
    23 July 2014 09: 55
    ----------------- laughing
  58. +1
    23 July 2014 09: 55
    Почему все боятся фальсификации информации с бортовых самописцев? Какую именно информацию можно сфальсифицировать и насколько она важна для ответа на главный вопрос, как был сбит Боинг (с земли или с воздуха)?
  59. waisson
    +2
    23 July 2014 09: 56
    ---------------------- laughing
  60. waisson
    +4
    23 July 2014 09: 58
    ------------------------вот так они выглядят сейчас hi
  61. +1
    23 July 2014 09: 58
    И еще вопрос, от ракеты ведь тоже должно что=то остаться, хвост, например. Где этот хвост? Если его найдут, то можно определить, какого класса ракета.
  62. 0
    23 July 2014 10: 02
    Даже когда расшифруют данные "черных ящиков" и окажется, что сбили самолет укропы, янкесы и их шестерки скажут, что это были русские агенты в укропской армии.
  63. +1
    23 July 2014 10: 04
    Quote: serega.fedotov
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    We don’t know ... We don’t know ... We don’t know ... and RUSSIA ....

    At first they said: Russia was in the middle, now rebels and by chance! And this is in 5 days.
    after all, how they will sing in a week!

    А что через недельку то?
    Судя по заявлению они уже дали заднюю! так ничего и не нокопав и не сфабриковав против нас! Процесс слива пошёл!
  64. +2
    23 July 2014 10: 30
    АГА!!! Неопытный малазийский экипаж отклонился от курса, неопытный диспетчер снизил потолок, неопытный расчёт укро-БУКа сбил самолёт, неопытная разведка США и Госдеп с Обамой в де рьме по самые уши. Европа покраснела, хунта побледнела - а Россия виновата
  65. +2
    23 July 2014 11: 31
    РИА «Новости» сообщает, что США также поставили под сомнение сведения Минобороны РФ об обстановке, которая складывалась в районе катастрофы малазийского самолета.

    Никакой технической информации, подкрепляющей заявления о причастности ополченцев к катастрофе, представлено не было. По словам сотрудников американской разведки, они основываются на спутниковых снимках, радиоперехвате, а также сведениях из различных социальных сетей. При этом отмечалось, что достоверность некоторых данных из открытых источников не подтверждена.

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/744/afut614.jpg
  66. wladimir
    +1
    23 July 2014 12: 23
    Да все и так было ясно, раз барак заявил, что виновата Россия, значит Россия!. да и ящики покажут , что ракета подлетая к самолету матом ругалась.
  67. ded10041948
    +1
    23 July 2014 12: 33
    Ой как все хреново получается у матрасов и прислуги! И недели не прошло, а уже "неопытный расчет", "по ошибке". Что дальше?
  68. Den77
    +1
    23 July 2014 12: 40
    Министерству обороны надо было сказать, что присутствовал не СУ-25, а матрасный А10 и вооружение соответствует и потолок 13000 м., была же информация (по моему весной), что американцы их списыват и возможно часть передадут Украине.....
  69. +4
    23 July 2014 14: 07
    Quote: mamont5
    . Скажут, что не уверены, кто вообще сбил,

    потом могут сказать, а был ли самолёт laughing
  70. 0
    23 July 2014 17: 36
    Ни чего от них другого и нельзя было ожидать.
  71. 0
    23 July 2014 21: 31
    Еще одна версия событий (повторюсь: -
    "... Hunter: One, two, three, four, five - a bunny came out for a walk. Then I run out like this, shoot right at the bunny! Bang-bang - oh-eh, my bunny is dying! In boots and a red cap. ..
    World Community: Yes, you fucked up, you killed Santa!
    Hunter (deleting the previous message): What a nightmare! This forester was completely fucked up and killed Santa!
    Greek Asshole Choir: Cursed Forester!
    Blogger: It's definitely a forester. The hunter doesn’t even have a gun.
    Hunter Expert: The hunter has a shotgun, but a defective one. All serviceable guns at the forester.
    Shotgun expert: A shotgun cannot shoot beyond its own barrel; it is impossible to kill from a shotgun.
    Spanish skier: I am a Spanish skier! I know for sure that a forester killed Santo with an ax!
    Witness: Santa poisoned! He was running already dead!
    Toy Expert: It was the weirdest Santa. He has 600 toys in his bag. Why would a normal adult man carry a bag of toys through the forest?
    Frost expert: I know for sure that the real Santa does not have a cap, there is a Snow Maiden next to him, and his name is Santa Claus.
    Columnist: Who benefits? It’s only for the forester that it’s not for the forester to blame Santa’s murder!
    Forest Expert: It doesn't matter who shot. The tragedy would not have happened if the forester watched his forest.
    Blogger: A complicated story, continuous inconsistencies! The shot was heard in a completely different forest. Santa fell not where he ran. It was Friday on the calendar, but some witnesses saw Tuesday on the calendar! The forester confused everything!
    Schizophrenic: MAXIMUM CROSS !!! From the words "santa" and "hunter" the word "plumber" is obtained! Santo was killed by a plumber!
    World community: Meanwhile, the hunter does not let us into the scene.
    Hunter: Damned forester!
    Greek Asshole Choir: Cursed Forester!
    American pilot: We saw through binoculars how a hunter shot Santa from his gun.
    Blogger: You might think the American pilot will say something else!
    Blogger: At the time of the shot, two dead Santa were thrown into the forest. A forester shot at a hunter, while Santa shot at Santa. Two bullets collided in the air, fell on the third bullet. I haven’t come up yet, continue in kamenty.
    Planning expert: Forester wanted to kill time, but by mistake killed Santa! It is obvious.
    Blogger: Yes, and why should a hunter kill Santa ?!
    Commentator: Why the forester?
    Blogger: To blame the hunter! 100%
    World community: Anyway, the hunter will not let us to the place of Santa’s death and for some reason ate his gun.
    Blogger: If Santa was alone, why the footprints of two legs?
    Greek asshole choir: Mess in the woods, damn forester!
    Reader: I don't understand anything, but something is dull with this forester ... "
  72. 0
    23 July 2014 22: 18
    Я смотрю соц сети для американцев просто панацея по добыче сверхценной и достовернейшей информации.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"