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Official briefing of the Ministry of Defense

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Media briefing on newly identified facts related to aviation the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777


Speech by Lieutenant-General Andrei Kartapolov, Deputy Chief of the Main Operations Administration - Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces

Dear representatives of the media!

Ladies and Gentlemen!

In connection with the crash of 17 on July of the passenger plane Boeing-777 of the airline Malaysian Airlines, which followed the international air route Amsterdam - Kuala Lumpur, a large amount of conflicting information has recently appeared. Therefore, the Ministry of Defense of Russia considered it necessary to present the data of objective control available to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

The diagram shows the international route on which the Boeing 777 was supposed to fly. Please note that before Donetsk the plane followed the established corridor, and then it deviated from the route to the north. The maximum distance from the left border of the corridor was 14 km.

In the future, there is a maneuver to return the "Boeing-777" to the limits of the established air corridor. The Malaysian crew did not have time to finish the maneuver. With 17.20, a steady drop in the speed of the aircraft was recorded, and in 17.23 - the disappearance of the aircraft’s mark from the screens of Russian radars. What caused the departure of the route — the crew’s navigational error or the execution of commands by the Ukrainian air traffic controller in Dnepropetrovsk — can only be answered after decoding the flight recorders, called “black boxes,” and negotiating dispatch services.

According to our data, on the day of the collapse of the Malaysian Boeing-777, the anti-aircraft defense group of the Ukrainian armed forces near the city of Donetsk consisted of three or four anti-aircraft missile battalions of the Buk-M1 complex.

These complexes are capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 35 km and at altitudes up to 22 km. Why and against whom did the Ukrainian security forces deploy such a powerful air defense group near Donetsk? After all, as you know, the militia has no aircraft.

The diagram shows that the flight route, as well as the expected location of the Boeing's defeat, fall within the range of the Buk-MXNUM air defense system of the Ukrainian armed forces.

We have satellite images of individual locations of air defense assets of the Ukrainian army in the south-east of the country.

The first three images are dated 14 July 2014 g .:
The 1 image shows launchers of the Buk air defense system in the 8 area, km north-west of Luhansk.
In the picture you can clearly see the self-propelled fire installation and two start-loading machines.
2 shows radar stations in the vicinity of Donetsk, 5 km to the north. The picture shows two radar stations, as well as various equipment and technical facilities.
The 3 image shows the position of air defense equipment in the region north of Donetsk.
The picture clearly shows a self-propelled fire installation with a rotated launcher, about 60 units of various military and special equipment, equipment shelters and other technical facilities.

And here is a snapshot of the same area, taken on 17 July.
Please note that this launcher is missing.
The 5 image shows that in the morning of the same day near the settlement Zaroshchinskoe, that in the 50 km east of Donetsk and in the 8 km south of Shakhtersk, the Buk battery was found. The question arises, why was the battery in the area, near the territory controlled by the militias, and just before the tragedy?

The 18 July filming of this area in the same area (6 image) showed that the battery had left its previous position.

In addition, it was precisely by July 17 that the work intensity of the Ukrainian 9С18 “Kupol-М1” radar stations of the Buk anti-aircraft complex increased to the maximum.

You can clearly see on the slide that 15 July worked 7 stations, 16 July - 8, and July 17 - they were already 9. But since July 18, the radar work intensity has sharply decreased and now amounts to 2-3 per day. What is the reason for this remains to be understood.

Separately, I would like to show data on the air situation in the Donetsk region on this day.

On the slide you see the data of objective control in the period from 17.10 to 17.30 hours Moscow time.

During this period, there were three civil aircraft in the air, operating regular flights:
Flight from Copenhagen to Singapore on 17: 17;
Flight from Paris to Taipei at 17: 24;
Flight from Amterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

In addition, Russian means of controlling the air situation recorded a climb of Ukrainian Air Force aircraft, presumably Su-25, in the direction of the Malaysian Boeing-777. The removal of the Su-25 from Boeing-777 ranged from 3 to 5 km.

In terms of its characteristics, the Su-25 is capable of briefly reaching an altitude of 10000 m. Its standard weapons include an air-to-air missile P-60, capable of capturing and hitting the target at a distance of 12 km, and guaranteed at a distance of 5 km.

What was the purpose of the combat aircraft flying along the civil aviation air route almost simultaneously and on the same flight level with the passenger aircraft? I would like to get an answer to this question.

This information is confirmed by the video footage of the work during this period of the Rostov Zonal Center of the Unified Air Traffic Management System. They will be commented on by the Chief of the General Staff of the Air Force, Lieutenant-General Igor Yushevich Makushev.

Commentary by the Chief of Staff of the Air Force of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Igor Makushev:

Ladies and gentlemen!

Today, objective monitoring data from the Rostov Zonal Center for the Unified Air Traffic Management System has been received from the Federal Air Transport Agency.

This video shows dispatching information about the air situation in the city of Donetsk from 17 hours 19 minutes to 17 hours 25 minutes (Moscow time) 17 July 2014.

In the upper left corner of the mark of the aircraft Boeing 772, performing a flight on the route COPENHAGEN - SINGAPORE.

Below it is a mark from an aircraft Boeing - 777, following the route AMSTERDAM - KUALA - LUMPUR.

On the right is a mark from a Boeing-778 aircraft following the DELI-BERMINGAME route.

All three aircraft are consistently observed by three radar posts of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Boeing - 777 is moving in the direction of the state border of the Russian Federation and must cross it at the point "TONAK".

The dispatcher, in advance of monitoring the flight of the aircraft, constantly requests its flight parameters for compliance with the specified ones.

In 17 hours 20 minutes at a distance in 51 kilometer from the state border of the Russian Federation in azimuth 300 degrees, the plane abruptly began to lose speed, which is clearly visible in the scoreboard of the characteristics of the air object.

When the speed drops to 200 kilometers per hour in 17 hours 21 minute 35 seconds in the place of the destruction of the Boeing a new mark about the air object appears.

This air object is stably observed by the USTB-DONETSK and BUTURIN radar posts during 4-x minutes.

The dispatcher, while requesting the characteristics of the newly appeared object, cannot receive data on its parameters, since most likely the aircraft is not equipped with a secondary identification system, which is typical of military aircraft.

Previously, the detection of this airborne object was not possible, since the control of the air situation is carried out by radar on-duty with detection capabilities at a given range at a flight altitude of more than 5000 meters.

Detection made possible by climb.

A further change in the object's flight parameters at the rate indicates that it is patrolling in the area of ​​the Boeing destruction - 777 and monitors the development of the situation.

Earlier, Ukrainian officials reported that on this day there were no Ukrainian military aircraft on the line of the original incident. As you can see, it is not. Thank.

Speech by the Chief of the Main Operations Directorate - Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Andrei Kartapolov

There is a question for our American colleagues. According to the US representatives, the United States has pictures from space confirming that the launch of the rocket in the direction of the Malaysian aircraft was made by the militias. But no one has seen these pictures.

According to our calculations, in the period from 17.06 to 17.21 (Moscow time), 17 in July really flew over the southeastern territory of Ukraine the American spacecraft. ” This is an apparatus of the STSS experimental space system, designed to detect and track rocket launches of various ranges. If the American side has pictures from this satellite, you would be asked to submit them to the world community for detailed study.

Is it a coincidence or not, but the time of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing-777 and the time of observation by the American satellite of the Ukrainian territory coincide?

In conclusion, I would like to note that the information we provide is based on objective and reliable data of various Russian technical means, as opposed to baseless accusations against us. An example of this is the display in the media of the transfer of the Buk-М1 launcher on a trailer allegedly carried out from Ukrainian to Russian territory. There is an obvious juggling of materials.

The pictures were taken in the city of Krasnoarmeysk, as evidenced by the banner next to the expensive one, which shows the address of the dealership on Dnepropetrovsk 34. And Krasnoarmeisk with 11 May is under the control of the Ukrainian army.

In this regard, we have a number of questions. What is this launcher? Where was it transported? Where is she now? Why is it not loaded with a full ammunition rocket? When was the last time it was started?

Concluding my speech, I want to emphasize that the Russian Federation did not transfer the Buk-M4 anti-aircraft missile systems to the militia, as well as other types of weapons and military equipment.

Materials prepared by the Russian Ministry of Defense today will be handed over to experts from leading European countries and Malaysia. I hope that they will help in carrying out an objective investigation of the tragedy that took place on July 17 in the skies over Donetsk.

The Ministry of Defense will continue to report on newly discovered facts related to the crash of a Malaysian Boeing-777 aircraft.










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  1. from punk
    from punk 22 July 2014 07: 36
    73
    Ukraine also unveiled satellite crash pictures.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 22 July 2014 07: 42
      14
      This is more like an ATO plan.
    2. Alexei
      Alexei 22 July 2014 07: 42
      15
      And now the State Department has published its pictures of which previously stated.
    3. Very old
      Very old 22 July 2014 07: 58
      +2
      And no Ukraine ...

      He slapped his grandson on the pope so that he would not indulge in such things
    4. Wels75
      Wels75 22 July 2014 08: 03
      +8
      See what UKRs are doing:
      "21.07.14/23/44 at XNUMX:XNUMX pm Message from a militia escorting Malay experts.

      “The Ukrainians tried to cover up the Malaysian specialists. As someone who knew English, they sent me to the crash site with the Malays in the evening. The Ukrainians were informed of the departure. Beyond Khartsiz, a couple of kilometers ahead of us, they began to shoot on the road from the air, hammering at least one civilian car. The Malays are terrified, we are returning to Donetsk now.
      Ukrov repulsed from the railway station. Tochmash is on fire, the Ukrainians have been hitting it with artillery for a long time, it is not clear why. Separate houses in Donetsk are destroyed and are on fire, Ukrainians are beating the city in a square-nesting manner. "
      We ask publicity.
      Source RusVesna http://rusvesna.su/news/1405980961


      Freaks really want to cover the tracks !!! Got like hens in cabbage soup !!!!

      Their version is known for a long time (kaklouk.r.opitekoh.oh.lyapen.do.s.s.a.ya):
    5. TUNISIA
      TUNISIA 22 July 2014 09: 03
      19
      The US State Department also presented its evidence to the world: after all, the Russians shot down a Boeing!

      1. bubalik
        bubalik 22 July 2014 09: 09
        +2
        TUNISIA (1) RU  Today, 09: 0


        ,,, weighty argument, laughing but without bears and balalaikas not a ride laughing ,,,
      2. Tony bullet
        Tony bullet 22 July 2014 09: 50
        +1
        almost described)))
      3. Andrey78
        Andrey78 22 July 2014 10: 15
        +1
        Did Putin run away?
      4. Dejavu
        Dejavu 22 July 2014 10: 27
        +2
        You shouldn't laugh, on YouTube such a video will cause a flurry of Ukropov's "Agaaa, we got burned!"
    6. colorado
      colorado 22 July 2014 10: 41
      0
      screwed up, American pieces of dog feces
  2. Finches
    Finches 22 July 2014 07: 38
    11
    Let's see how the world community will digest this information! For some reason I think that in no way ...
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 22 July 2014 07: 43
      +3

      Zyablitsov (1) SU  Today, 07: 38 New
      Let's see how the world community will digest this information


      ,,, but they will provide it to them? and if so, in what light recourse
    2. Verdent
      Verdent 22 July 2014 07: 44
      +4
      I completely agree, even if the Russian side provides irrefutable evidence of the guilt of the islands and their chain dill, the West will all the same vainly shout that the Russians are to blame. I’m waiting for the clowns to start shaking again with a test tube with anthrax in the UN Security Council.
      1. enot73
        enot73 22 July 2014 08: 05
        +2
        Quote: Verdent
        I completely agree, even if the Russian side provides irrefutable evidence of the guilt of the islands and their chain dill, the West will all the same vainly shout that the Russians are to blame
        In the best case, they will again impose sanctions on Russia, they will say that the young immature air defense forces of Ukraine do not yet know how to distinguish between types of aircraft and the case will be quietly hushed up. So it’s for anyone - to pay us, since only Russians can be bad in the eyes of the West, a priori.
      2. Kolya
        Kolya 22 July 2014 08: 20
        +1
        Let me disagree. Citizens of a number of powerful countries have died, and this may result in even more significant scandal than recent wiretapping. The Pentagon is in a hurry with actions and began to make mistakes more and more often. The Pentagon is frantically biting its nails behind closed doors at the moment.
    3. Vik.Tor
      Vik.Tor 22 July 2014 08: 01
      0
      They will say I don’t see, then there isn’t negative
    4. a52333
      a52333 22 July 2014 08: 10
      +2
      Why didn’t we say that the dill, the SBU, specifically seized the records of negotiations with the Donetsk control tower? This is also indirect evidence.
      It was also necessary to recall how Kuev did not let, in fact, experts into place.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 22 July 2014 10: 49
        +4
        Quote: a52333
        Why didn’t we say that the dill, the SBU, specifically seized the records of negotiations with the Donetsk control tower? This is also indirect evidence.
        It was also necessary to recall how Kuev did not let, in fact, experts into place.

        ours said only what they saw themselves and can confirm and prove. they cannot prove what is happening on the outskirts, they cannot prove ours. this is the business of the international commission
    5. a52333
      a52333 22 July 2014 08: 22
      +7
      Pssaki version
    6. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 22 July 2014 09: 35
      +1
      Quote: Finches
      Let's see how the world community will digest this information! For some reason I think that in no way ...

      This time it is unlikely. Russia should increasingly assert that Ukraine's guilt has been proven and demand the imposition of sanctions against the criminal Kiev regime and its accomplice (at least - the concealment of information exposing Kiev - data from a tracking satellite, false accusations of innocent, disorienting the investigation ...) in this bloody crime - USA. Stop being "shy" - then !!!
    7. ed65b
      ed65b 22 July 2014 10: 31
      +2
      Quote: Finches
      Let's see how the world community will digest this information! For some reason I think that in no way ...

      Already digested, here is the primary result
      “The Russian authorities are pointing a finger at the Ukrainian fighter,” writes the British The Independent.

      “The Russian military challenged widespread allegations that separatist rebels were responsible for the destruction of the Malaysia Airlines plane flying flight MH17, and stated that they have evidence that the Ukrainian fighter approached the airliner before it crashed into the ground under Donetsk, ”the newspaper writes.

      “President Vladimir Putin and the Russian military elite have tried to strike back,” writes the Guardian. According to British journalists, “On Monday, the Russian Defense Ministry presented, as it stated, evidence that Ukrainian military aircraft or air defense could be guilty. The ministry criticized the West for “unfounded accusations” against Russia and hinted at a possible conspiracy theory to which the United States was involved. ”

      The German edition of Tagesspiegel placed the dry information from the General Staff at the very end of the article, on the second page, which the reader is unlikely to get to. But in the very first lines of the same material the position of the USA, which accuse the Russian Federation of “misinformation and propaganda”, is described in detail.

      Die Welt is trying to inspire readers with skepticism regarding the findings of the Russian military. “Even before the start of the investigation, Russia was trying to convince the public that it was the Ukrainian army that shot down the plane. The Russian Ministry of Defense organized a technically time-consuming press conference on Monday and presented graphs, satellite images and maps that should prove that the Ukrainian army deployed Buk-type air defense systems in the Luhansk region and that an allegedly Ukrainian military plane flew up to Boeing. However, this information should be taken with skepticism, ”the newspaper writes.
  3. dima67
    dima67 22 July 2014 07: 40
    +2
    How to roll out dill with information!
    1. SibRUS
      SibRUS 22 July 2014 07: 54
      12
      + for beech additionally.
  4. Humpty
    Humpty 22 July 2014 07: 40
    17
    The trouble is that in order to blame the Russians, the "world community" does not need any evidence. The United States and their mongrels have become so corrupted that their foreign policy, like a gypsy shobl, is all on unfounded lies, who will overtake whom, no evidence. play by the rules . On the one hand, this is worthy, but the fucking Hohlandia has not apologized for the Tu-154 yet, and has not admitted guilt, with a full evidence base.
    The guys will drag us into the war, sooner or later.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 22 July 2014 08: 48
      +1
      then - in 2001 - they were covered by Russia, and now who? great-wow! ..
  5. T80UM1
    T80UM1 22 July 2014 07: 42
    0
    along the way we steal the cranes, we will roll them on the asphalt !!!
  6. sanek0207
    sanek0207 22 July 2014 07: 43
    +9
    How can this "global, pocket" community react !? No way! Here the Germans were as serious guys as they used to be, and that the Americans "squeezed out" the gold reserve and that's it! And now the Hans are sitting on the fifth point! So, that nobody will say anything!
  7. MolGro
    MolGro 22 July 2014 07: 48
    +2
    Checkmate!

    How their GDP and most interestingly did not manage to show everything!
    One hundred percent rocket launch is also fixed!
    1. MBA78
      MBA78 22 July 2014 09: 55
      +1
      "to show everything to the striped ones" ... but who are they ... to show them anything at all or to prove something ... let them continue barking from behind their puddles
  8. Svetovod
    Svetovod 22 July 2014 07: 49
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    Let's see how the world community will digest this information! For some reason I think that in no way ...


    Myrovoe community will, as usual, fool around. For example:
    -According to verified data from a reliable source(the son of a friend of a friend of the sister of a friend of an older brother Jen Psaki moaned on Twitter or heard from grandmothers in the market) Putin is to blame. The West requires a settlement, an end to aggression, the withdrawal of troops, and world peace.
    Which conference? maybe it was the terrorists in the mountains filming, and in the pictures - the marriage of the film.
  9. Dejavu
    Dejavu 22 July 2014 07: 50
    +3
    The whole story stinks too much of provocation. Especially strange is the conclusion of the Boeing from the route and echelon. Civilian liners almost never change directions. Train level yes, route no. But to change the route towards the militarized territory is some kind of absurdity.
    1. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 22 July 2014 08: 21
      +1
      moreover, he tried to return, and he was again taken to that route
  10. ny4ulo
    ny4ulo 22 July 2014 07: 50
    +1
    They just won’t give it a broadcast, well, or I’ll say that ce brahnya
  11. zloybond
    zloybond 22 July 2014 07: 50
    +1
    I don’t understand one thing .... why do not ours raise the issue of recognizing New Russia ????? what will it change in relation to us ????? they won’t be better .... worse .... it’s so clear that they are screaming more and more ..... well, they’ll start to hysteria and vote, they will help force ... they’ll vote like that .... it’s necessary to recognize New Russia .. .. anyway, I personally recognized Novorossia as a citizen of Russia.
  12. piter-tank
    piter-tank 22 July 2014 07: 50
    +3
    Competently, clearly, with real facts, not extracts from science fiction novels. Plus, Boroday passed the flight recorders to the Malaysians, and not the Ukrainians or Am. Now, after such an intelligible speech by our military, we are waiting for the next annealing of Psaki or Power.
    1. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 22 July 2014 08: 23
      +2
      psaka will say it’s like passengers smoked in the cabin, it caught fire and the plane crashed
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 22 July 2014 09: 02
        +3
        Quote: maxxdesign
        psaka will say it’s like passengers smoked in the cabin, it caught fire and the plane crashed

        Will not say. After all, then no one is to blame belay , which means the provocation failed wassat ... If only "according to information from reliable sources" fool it was a KGB agent specially sent aboard who smoked. soldier
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 22 July 2014 10: 55
        +4
        Quote: maxxdesign
        psaka will say it’s like passengers smoked in the cabin, it caught fire and the plane crashed

        or maybe according to the outskirts scenario, everything will be dumped on the air conditioner. but it will contain details made in Russia
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 22 July 2014 08: 51
      +1
      and ma-a-a-lo-Asians Cho? from amers quite, completely independent? and under-ries?
      1. Andrew 447
        Andrew 447 22 July 2014 09: 38
        +1
        The Malaysians were not satellites and six amers, they will dig to the last, at stake is the prestige and the object of national pride, the airline Malaysia Arovei. Although amers have some leverage, but not global.
  13. Aibolit
    Aibolit 22 July 2014 07: 51
    +1
    At least we ourselves will know that they were right if the summons came ...
  14. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 22 July 2014 07: 56
    +2
    Time was not in vain. The stable opinion of the western man in the street has already been created. Russia and the militias are to blame. Why don't the MO perform on the 18th?
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 22 July 2014 10: 57
      +4
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Why don't the MO perform on the 18th?

      it was necessary to prepare, analyze everything and speak out not unfounded, but with facts.
  15. zzz
    zzz 22 July 2014 07: 56
    +3
    Even if at the time of the plane’s crash, a Russian operator would fly nearby and take off the entire catastrophe, the United States would still blame Russia, but I think it’s time to move on to their methods. To live with wolves, howl like a wolf. We are simply not left with a choice.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 22 July 2014 08: 58
      +2
      it’s useless to prove something, not the first time! Is European or Asian authorities better than Ukrainian or American? blather a little louder than allowed - there will be Asia Minor, European, and Amer anti-terrorist operation! .. laws are already there - they have prudently adopted: they invented, printed, signed this one - as it is there ... ... and ratified it! you can shoot ... even without a team!

      who is to blame - it is clear even to the fool: - the militias hand over the "black boxes" to the commission, and "Aydar" fires at them ... ukrovoyska artillery them ... the car, it seems, rozbombyly ... - even leave the territory of the crash of the Boeing is not allowed!
      what other evidence is needed? or maybe not some, but to whom? ...

      pazy: pages with info about shelling ukraines of Malaysian experts are urgently blocked ...
    2. shuhartred
      shuhartred 22 July 2014 09: 04
      0
      Quote: zzz
      .And I think it's time to move on to their own methods.

      Blame the United States for what? It will be problematic. Although the thought is sound. good
  16. Sashko
    Sashko 22 July 2014 08: 00
    +1
    Briefly, clearly and with the provision of photos. Just the facts. No speculation. It should be so.
  17. serrrrgo
    serrrrgo 22 July 2014 08: 01
    0
    Now, by all means, Kartapolov’s statement that the SU-25 briefly rises to 10 km is cited as an example as an example of terrible Russian zombie propaganda. Like - 7 ceiling and that’s it .. Please comment to local specialists)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 July 2014 08: 03
      +1
      Quote: serrrrgo
      Please comment to local specialists)
      hi
      Take a look at yesterday's topic, everything is painted there including specialists
    2. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 22 July 2014 08: 26
      0
      well, the ceiling is 7 ... a 10-minute boeng ... aiming range of 100% hit 5km ... 10-7 = 3 + a couple of kilometers away from the plane ... so that’s enough to gain a ceiling of up to 7km .. launch a missile at the bohene. . and go down
      1. serrrrgo
        serrrrgo 22 July 2014 10: 48
        0
        Yes, this is understandable, but they caught on to the phrase "According to its characteristics, the Su-25 is capable of reaching an altitude of 10000 m for a short time."
    3. shuhartred
      shuhartred 22 July 2014 09: 17
      +1
      Quote: serrrrgo
      Now, by all means, Kartapolov’s statement that the SU-25 briefly rises to 10 km is cited as an example as an example of terrible Russian zombie propaganda. Like - 7 ceiling and that’s it .. Please comment to local specialists)

      I'm not special, but here's to you from the wiki. Max. speed with normal load 950km / h, max. ceiling 7000-10000m. That is, in the lightest version (2 air-to-air missiles) and with an experienced and fairly risky pilot, he could well catch up and shoot down. And the SU-25 because the militia has one. But, damn it, no one even tried to ask the question, why does the militia or Russia need this?
      1. serrrrgo
        serrrrgo 22 July 2014 09: 54
        +1
        With Vicki, in general, some kind of devilry is going on, everyone rules her.
        http://www.szona.org/%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B0-%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0
        %BE-%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B8/
        For example, read it.
        1. iwind
          iwind 22 July 2014 10: 08
          0
          Quote: serrrrgo
          With Vicki, in general, some kind of devilry is going on, everyone rules her.

          Why the hell? Each side will be pulled over a blanket, and this is normal.
          Now it’s better to use sources until 2013.
          "I remembered that there was such a book at home" Ildar Bedretdinov. Attack aircraft OKB P.O. Sukhoi Su-25 "edited by OKB Sukhoi and deputy chief commander Yu.P. Klishin, on page 118 there is such a table"
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          2. serrrrgo
            serrrrgo 22 July 2014 10: 57
            0
            Well, it’s just 7000m here, so I don’t understand why the deputy chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces speaks to the whole world about 10. Unverified information or an error that it is .. In any case, if this is not true, it affects very negatively perception of all information. In such cases, you need to verify each word.
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        3. Lukich
          Lukich 22 July 2014 11: 08
          +4
          Quote: serrrrgo
          With Vicki, in general, some kind of devilry is going on, everyone rules her.

          I just copied it from the wiki literally 3 minutes ago

          Flight characteristics
          Maximum speed: 950 km / h (with normal combat load)
          Cruising speed: 750 km / h
          Landing speed: 210 km / h
          Combat radius: 300 km
          Practical range: (with normal combat load)
          on high:
          without PTB: 640 km
          from 4 × PTB-800: 1250 km
          by the ground:
          without PTB: 495 km
          from 4 × PTB-800: 750 km
          Ferrying range: 1950 km
          Practical ceiling: 7000-10 m [000] [74]
          Maximum height of combat use: 5000 m
          Turn radius: 680 m (at normal combat load of 1500 m at 555 km / h)
          Rate of climb: 60 m / s (near the ground with a load of 1000 kg)
          Wing load: 485 kg / m² (at normal take-off weight)
          Thrust-to-weight ratio: 0,56 / 0,466 (at normal / maximum take-off weight)
    4. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 22 July 2014 10: 22
      0
      And who said that Rook climbed 10km?

      The Rook simply appeared due to the radio horizon, when it rose above 5 thousand meters. This is the height at which observation is carried out at normal times.
      1. serrrrgo
        serrrrgo 22 July 2014 10: 50
        +1
        Kartapolov said .. "According to its characteristics, the Su-25 is capable of reaching an altitude of 10000 m for a short time." (c)
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 22 July 2014 11: 19
          0
          Quote: serrrrgo
          "According to its characteristics, the Su-25 is capable of reaching an altitude of 10000 m for a short time." (c)

          And here's to you from the official site Ukroboronservis.
          Modification
          Su-25
          Wingspan, m
          14.36
          Aircraft Length m
          15.36
          Height, m
          4.80
          Wing area, m2
          33.70
          Weight, kg
          empty aircraft
          9500
          normal takeoff
          14600
          maximum take-off
          17600
          Fuel:
          domestic fuel, kg
          5000
          PTB
          2
          engine's type
          2 turbojet engine R-195 (R95Sh)
          Thrust, kN
          2 x 44.13 (40.20)
          Maximum speed km / h:
          near the ground
          975
          on high
          M = 0.82
          Practical range, km
          1850
          Combat radius of action, km:

          on high
          1250
          near the ground
          750
          Practical ceiling, m
          7000-10000 [

          Max. the height of combat employment
          5000
          Max. operation overload
          6,5
          near the ground
          975
  18. Sanamana
    Sanamana 22 July 2014 08: 01
    0
    we are waiting for comments from American "comrades"
  19. Yellow white
    Yellow white 22 July 2014 08: 02
    +1
    Competently, clearly, "on the shelves", but everyone will spit, in fact, we know it and Vova knows!
    With these pictures, or rather info, you can end the terror in the Southeast in 1-2 days, without the introduction of troops.
    "IT'S WORSE THAN TO WAIT AND CATCH UP"
    ... but it seems necessary.
  20. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 22 July 2014 08: 05
    0
    Well amers with a Ukrainian nose poked. Well, no, there are psaki in Washington, as I understand it, they keep her at work to lie, to carry nonsense and not to blush.
    1. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 22 July 2014 08: 27
      0
      they specifically took such a red and caulked .. so that the redness from the lies was not so visible on the face! but when she breaks off .. you can see how she blushes anyway)
  21. azbukin77
    azbukin77 22 July 2014 08: 07
    +2
    We make excuses for all of these Geyropeytsi even ssy in the eye, and they are dew of God. They all knew perfectly right away, but not against the owners.
  22. bubalik
    bubalik 22 July 2014 08: 08
    +4
    According to our calculations, in July from 17.06 to 17.21 (Moscow time) on July 17, an American spacecraft really flew over the southeastern territory of Ukraine. ” This is the apparatus of the STSS experimental space system, designed to detect and track missile launches of various ranges


    ,,, pentagon in shock laughing when declaring their military satellite, citing facts such as:

    1) type of satellite, and its characteristics.

    2) per minute travel time, and therefore the trajectory


    On the first point:
    The type of satellite, its purpose, and its description such as "experimental", highly classified information, therefore, it is the data of the Russian intelligence. If outwardly, ours could assume the purpose of this satellite, then such a characteristic as "experimental" was not written on the satellite.

    On the second point:
    Let me remind you: this is a satellite of missile attack warning. With such information, Russia knows the non-cover points of these satellites, and therefore can launch a missile unnoticed by them, especially for underwater missiles.
    1. zzz
      zzz 22 July 2014 08: 33
      +2
      Quote: bubalik
      ,,, the pentagon is shocked by a statement about their military satellite, citing facts such as:

      1) type of satellite, and its characteristics.

      2) per minute travel time, and therefore the trajectory


      Well, at least something specific, or you’re already used to everything with a security stamp, it’s time to declassify all their actions and put it on public display! Let everyone see and everyone know. With such facts, I hope the United States can only be put in place. My personal opinion is that now they will think about it, but what else do the Russians know there? What else can lay out openly?
    2. shuhartred
      shuhartred 22 July 2014 09: 19
      +1
      Quote: bubalik
      ,,, the pentagon is shocked by a statement about their military satellite, citing facts such as:

      1) type of satellite, and its characteristics.

      2) per minute travel time, and therefore the trajectory

      The Stirlitz case lives on.
    3. ed65b
      ed65b 22 July 2014 10: 34
      +3
      And what do we have "OKNO" in Tajikistan in vain eats its bread? Everyone knows and sees, It’s a pity that it’s useless, the guilty have been appointed but we must fight back.
  23. DMB-75
    DMB-75 22 July 2014 08: 22
    +6
    ... here they are Ukrainians:
  24. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 22 July 2014 08: 32
    +3
    it all fits ... amerikosy launch an experimental satellite for detecting missiles, but check it as it should! they’re watching the satellite’s orbit .. yeah .. it will fly over the DPR .. the very place where the war is going on ... they call dill on Skype and ask ... On July 17, at that time, we need to bring down a civilian plane, and we will check our satellite .. will detect the launch of a rocket or not ...
  25. Dbnfkmtdbx
    Dbnfkmtdbx 22 July 2014 08: 37
    +3
    Moscow region and GDP well done angry
  26. Wolka
    Wolka 22 July 2014 08: 40
    +3
    it’s very quickly, intelligibly, competently voiced and the main thing is done in a timely manner, now it’s impossible to shut up, dill was specifically pressed by a booty into the corner, and there was nothing to object to the Yankees, the Boeing was really sent to kill for the political interests of the US-Dill junta, now only clarifying details on as the recorders decode, they will reveal the final picture of the disaster ... and then the world will once again startle from all the cynical and political activities of the Yankees and the Ukrainian authorities ...
  27. CONTROL
    CONTROL 22 July 2014 09: 03
    +2
    arguing with amers, ukrami and the European Union - today means: cut water with a knife!
  28. Wladimir71
    Wladimir71 22 July 2014 09: 31
    0
    The preamble to the catastrophe is the psychological preparation of mobresource, rank and file and also the motivation of those who will be forced to endure hardship for one reason or another without asking unnecessary questions. All this is beautiful, but alas, apart from our audience, no one will know about it or will translate it as a direct fact of Russia's aggression against Ukrainians. In short, it's time to pack up with bandages, green stuff, matches, and so on.
  29. SOLGA
    SOLGA 22 July 2014 09: 53
    +1
    drying on finishing flew
  30. Wladimir71
    Wladimir71 22 July 2014 10: 00
    0
    The campaign is the one that disappeared earlier and gathered the old troupe. http://politikus.ru/articles/24697-nemnogo-konspirologii-strannye-trupy-pasporta
    -s-dyrkami-i-bortovye-nomera-boingov.html
  31. 311066
    311066 22 July 2014 10: 17
    +1
    How GDP offended the shell.
  32. Dmitry Toderes
    Dmitry Toderes 22 July 2014 10: 25
    0
    I posted these photos on the site "Echo of Moscow" - let's look at the reaction of Svidomo Ukrainians - there are a lot of them. laughing
  33. Yapet100
    Yapet100 22 July 2014 10: 33
    +1
    Guys! The French FIGARO conducts a Boeing survey - Russia shot down or not. We follow the link and click NON

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualites/2014/07/21/01001-20140721QCMWWW00108-pensez-vo

    us-que-les-russes-soient-responsables-du-crash-du-vol-mh-17-de-la-malaysia-airli

    nes.php
  34. Lukich
    Lukich 22 July 2014 11: 13
    +4
    Quote: Wladimir71
    The preamble to the catastrophe is the psychological preparation of a mobresource,

    most likely they said that this is the board of GDP and in one fell swoop they can end the war. Well, the rewards are natural. Well, then tell your that you were mistaken, it happens to everyone
  35. Victor-M
    Victor-M 22 July 2014 11: 21
    +1
    Le Figaro http://www.lefigaro.fr/ conducts a survey on Russia's involvement in the downing of a Malaysian Boeing. Follow the link and vote non-no
  36. MMX
    MMX 22 July 2014 11: 25
    0
    Everything was fine, even excellent, until the last moment with the video in which the trailer is transporting the BUK. Well, why does our leadership descend to such a level? Well, the observation data would show and that's it. The position is clear and indicated. But no, they went to "expose" the fakes ... Alas, but in the Internet there is a photo of this very trailer with Buk in Torez. I cannot judge when this photo was taken, but the fact that this is the town of Torez (intersection of 50 Let SSSR Street and Gagarin Street) is absolutely certain. It is also clearly visible that the tractor and the trailer are the same. So this tractor with the Buk was in the territory controlled by the militia (it was completely free to be transported around the city). Consequently, the conclusions that the city of Krasnoarmeysk in that video is incorrect (the militia hardly took the Buk to the Ukrainians). The position of the Russian Ministry of Defense on this video, voiced at the briefing, alas, is erroneous and casts a shadow on the entire briefing as a whole.
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 22 July 2014 11: 54
      0
      I agree. to use unverified "revelations" at such a level, it is not clear who, and even the "Red Army" was dragged into the UN - crap. Maybe the militias were shooting at the drying area, and the rocket went higher? is it possible? I see no other option for firing by the militia. It is also embarrassing that both sides of the BUKs deny, although it turns out that both sides have them. And by the way, judging by the photo of the Ministry of Defense, it is not clear how the BUKs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine -5 km are so close to Donetsk
  37. wladimir
    wladimir 22 July 2014 12: 26
    0
    late guys, it’s not interesting for the public, but the barracks still won’t understand anything, along with their hounds