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Fighting in the vicinity of Lisichansk, about the situation in Dzerzhinsk and the outskirts of Donetsk

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Ukrainian security officials say they have come close to the city of Lysychansk, and also occupied the Dzerzhinsky headquarters of the militia. This was reported to the President of Ukraine by the Minister of Defense Geleta, who in recent years has clearly been delighted by the fact that he is paying heightened attention to ukroSMI. Simultaneously with the messages of Geletei on the Facebook page, the press center of the so-called ATO distributed a note of the following character. Quotes the press service of "ATO" Lb.ua (style saved):

The advanced units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine entered the settlement of Dzerzhinsk. Above the local administration raised the flag of Ukraine. National Guard units are taking measures to localize and destroy remnants of terrorist gangs. As a result of the quick and uncompromising actions of the units of the Armed Forces, a large number of militants were detained, as well as weapons and ammunition.


Look, they already learned how to hold ammunition with weapons ...

In the vicinity of Lysychansk, heavy fighting takes place between the militias and the Ukrainian security forces. Video from a local resident (the publication on Youtube of "TMNews" is the same channel on which the fake recording of negotiations of militia about allegedly destroying a passenger aircraft by them was posted):



Ukroarmiya informs about the taking of the village of Sands, located in close proximity to Donetsk. but RIA News reported that the attempt of the Ukrainian security forces to enter the village was foiled by militiamen who shot down one enemy tank and destroyed several Ukrainian punishers.
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  1. vsoltan
    vsoltan 21 July 2014 17: 07
    +39
    It’s time to politically recognize New Russia, the time has come ...
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 21 July 2014 17: 14
      +25
      It is necessary to do something .. Crush dill with armor and artillery .. hurry in a hurry .. As if they anticipate their end (the State Department is urging)
      1. mmrr
        mmrr 21 July 2014 17: 37
        +20
        Tomorrow everything will be decided at a meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, I think that the decision will be made correctly.
        1. StolzSS
          StolzSS 21 July 2014 18: 12
          +5
          Tomorrow may be too late ... although we look there in the General Staff should be better informed when to make a move with the horse ....
          1. armageddon
            armageddon 21 July 2014 19: 17
            0
            Yes, nothing at the Natsik does not work !!! And no MIRACLE will SAVE them ... I'm sure !!!
        2. Roman 11
          Roman 11 21 July 2014 18: 28
          +9
          Quote: mmrr
          Tomorrow everything will be decided at a meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, I think that the decision will be made correctly.
          And which questions will be decided? If they want to avoid the invasion of Crimea, Strelkov needs to help and organize an organization with discipline, without which one does not even have to think about success ... So far, each detachment by itself, for its own village, farm, district, house, is no good will be.
          1. vsoltan
            vsoltan 21 July 2014 20: 30
            0
            Quote: Novel 11
            And which questions will be decided? If they want to avoid the invasion of Crimea, Strelkov needs to help and organize an organization with discipline, without which one does not even have to think about success ... So far, each detachment by itself, for its own village, farm, district, house, is no good will be.


            You yourself and answer your question
      2. Giant thought
        Giant thought 21 July 2014 17: 54
        +3
        The Nazis will not succeed. Do not see them win, as their ears. Victory will be for New Russia.
      3. nycsson
        nycsson 21 July 2014 19: 03
        +5
        Quote: MIKHAN
        As if anticipating their end

        I have no words! Which end? The militias are retreating ..... request
        1. alone
          alone 21 July 2014 21: 32
          0
          Quote: nycsson
          I have no words! Which end? The militias are retreating .....

          Alexei, you will still have many opportunities not to find words !!
      4. ed65b
        ed65b 21 July 2014 19: 15
        +2
        Hi Vital, so the people are sitting at the dill in the cauldron, and so they release the pressure on the sitters.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 21 July 2014 17: 15
      +27
      According to Dzerzhinsk:
      The Ukrainian security forces stormed the city of Dzerzhinsk in the north of Donetsk, the militias repulsed the attack, commander of the militias of the neighboring Gorlovka Igor Bezler told RIA Novosti.
      "The army subjected Dzerzhinsk to a serious bombardment with Grads, missiles fell into the city center," Bezler said.
      After shelling, the National Guard came into the city and stormed the city executive committee, where the headquarters of the militia was located. Five militias were killed in this battle, Bezler said.
      After that, reinforcements from Gorlovka came to their aid. The National Guard was able to repel the attack, in this battle the militia lost two more soldiers.
      According to Bezler, a detachment of the National Guard of about 50 fighters was defeated, and they also managed to burn down armored personnel carriers.


      In Donetsk at the moment:
      - 2 MLRS Grad ukrovskih in the sands destroyed;
      - minus one more BTR.
      Works Nonna on infantry. Work Grads from the militia.
      By ukram: this is trying to break through the remnants of the airport. There is information that from the Sands they are not allowed their own. They were forced to take the fight. There is every reason to believe that by the night Natsik will be cleaned.
      In the area of ​​the railway station, Dolgovtsy quickly caught a group of looters.

      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 21 July 2014 17: 25
        +11
        Come on, buddy, inform. As I understand it, are you in the immediate vicinity of all this chaos?
        1. nils
          nils 21 July 2014 17: 31
          +1
          Message from Strelkova 21.07.2014 16: 55 Moscow time

          The center of Dzerzhinsk is occupied by large enemy forces. CITY PAL.

          http://icorpus.ru/soobshhenie-ot-strelkova-21-07-2014-1655-msk/

          WHAT'S NEXT?
          WHERE AND WHY ?????
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 21 July 2014 17: 33
            +12
            Quote: nils
            Message from Strelkova 21.07.2014 16: 55 Moscow time

            The center of Dzerzhinsk is occupied by large enemy forces. CITY PAL.

            http://icorpus.ru/soobshhenie-ot-strelkova-21-07-2014-1655-msk/

            WHAT'S NEXT?
            WHERE AND WHY ?????

            21.07.2014/16/24 XNUMX:XNUMX (Moscow time) Synopsis from I.I. Strelkov

            "Fighting continues near Karlovka, Naytolovo. The enemy's attack is running out of steam. A counterattack of tanks of the Vostok subunit eliminated the threat to the village of Peski. Our" Nons "struck at enemy positions at the airport.

            Our artillery attacked enemy positions south of Marinovka in the area of ​​Snezhnoye. Two enemy armored vehicles dug into the ground were destroyed, but infantry have not yet been able to advance forward - Ukrainians are constantly drawing fresh reserves to the area.

            Debalcevo remains in the hands of the militia - reports of his surrender turned out to be false. However, the route to the north is intercepted by a large group of enemy tanks.

            In Dzerzhinsk, the local militia, in collaboration with the detachments and armored vehicles of I. Bezler, almost completely destroyed the National Guard detachment, which captured the city administration building at night - the remains of the detachment were blocked in a burning building and burned with it. The convoy of paratroopers coming to the rescue did not dare to enter the city building and retreated towards Konstantinovka. The city continues to undergo massive shelling from all types of heavy artillery. The city center is particularly affected. The militia lost about 15 people killed and wounded, losses ukrov - much more.

            On the whole, the situation for the armed forces of the DPR remains grave, fighting with the attendant destruction continues to spread more and more widely. "
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 21 July 2014 17: 41
              +3
              Pal, for sure. First there was the message that you quoted. And then the message that the city fell, in half an hour.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 July 2014 17: 59
                +4
                Message from Strelkova 21.07.2014 16: 55 Moscow time
                You are here:
                Home
                URGENT: Summary from Strelkova 21.07.2014 10: 35
                The center of Dzerzhinsk is occupied by large enemy forces. The city fell.
              2. nycsson
                nycsson 21 July 2014 19: 06
                +2
                Quote: Gromobik
                Pal, for sure. First there was the message that you quoted. And then the message that the city fell, in half an hour.

                Lightning from Igor Strelkov: The militia retreats from Dzerzhinsk towards Gorlovka

                Lightning from Igor Strelkov: The militia retreats from Dzerzhinsk towards Gorlovka | Russian spring
                Igor Strelkov reports on the progress of the fighting on the approaches to Gorlovka:

                “The battle continues in Dzerzhinsk. The center of the city is“ carried away ”by volleys of“ grads ”and“ hurricanes ”, there are continuous fires (I think Tymchuk already writes about how“ terrorists are shelling the city ”). The militias are gradually being delayed in the direction of Gorlovka - the forces are too unequal “New columns of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles of the enemy are constantly coming up in Dzerzhinsk. Ukrov’s infantry is not enough. But in conditions where almost every unit of armored vehicles has one armored vehicle, this does not matter.

                We have a battle going on on the outskirts of Nightolovo and in the area of ​​the railway. station. One Ukrainian tank was burnt, another one was knocked out, but this is "a drop in the ocean" - today about 1 of them have been brought into battle. We are "pressed" into the city. The situation in Slavyansk is repeated on a ten to one scale: they push them into the building with tanks and surround them from all sides. "

                http://rusvesna.su/news/1405941043
            2. pensioner
              pensioner 21 July 2014 17: 45
              +4
              Seryozha! "+" is for you to know what we are reading. Take care of yourself.
              But the news is all the more alarming and alarming. Here parashenko suggests stopping the hostilities within a radius of 40 km. from the place of the fall of B-777. It is clear that he is not just like that. Can you explain: what's the catch?
              1. IAlex
                IAlex 21 July 2014 18: 29
                +5
                What is there to know that they will try to drive 40 km without yoy ...
            3. typhoon7
              typhoon7 21 July 2014 18: 54
              +1
              The most recent message from Strelkova, Dzerzhinsk taken, the rest hold on.
          2. Vik.Tor
            Vik.Tor 21 July 2014 17: 39
            +4
            Where where, in Cleveland, we are waiting, as before, for the decision of our supreme. We will wait, but Novorossia is not a fact.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 July 2014 17: 33
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        According to Dzerzhinsk:
        The Ukrainian security forces stormed the city of Dzerzhinsk in the north of Donetsk, the militias repulsed the attack, commander of the militias of the neighboring Gorlovka Igor Bezler told RIA Novosti.

        Yes, to weave you all with a shovel, through the knee. On anti-onlain they say that Dzerzhinsk fell .....
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 21 July 2014 19: 08
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, to weave you all with a shovel, through the knee. On anti-onlain they say that Dzerzhinsk fell .....

          LIGHTNING from Strelkova: the center of Dzerzhinsk is occupied by large enemy forces, the city fell.

          LIGHTNING from Strelkova: the center of Dzerzhinsk is occupied by large enemy forces, the city fell. | Russian spring
          Igor Strelkov, urgent communication, 15: 52 (Kiev), 16: 52 (Moscow time):

          The center of Dzerzhinsk is occupied by large enemy forces, the city fell.

          http://rusvesna.su/news/1405947889
      3. Yapet100
        Yapet100 21 July 2014 18: 39
        0
        OK!!!! RIDING !!!!! Thank!!!
        Marauders - on the spot, without asking and last names !!!
      4. g1v2
        g1v2 21 July 2014 19: 02
        +1
        Well, if at least YES to clear, ukram will be a shame. There were about 500 people there - not dying for dill, but it will hurt.
    3. abc_02
      abc_02 21 July 2014 17: 27
      +7
      And here is what the Russian Defense Ministry says about the crash of a Boeing.
    4. Andrey82
      Andrey82 21 July 2014 17: 33
      +12
      Quote: vsoltan
      It’s time to politically recognize New Russia, the time has come ...

      a month ago it would be just right, or better - 2 months ago.
      1. Vik.Tor
        Vik.Tor 21 July 2014 17: 40
        +9
        Who argues, but does not depend on us.
    5. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 21 July 2014 17: 51
      +6
      Quote: vsoltan
      It’s time to politically recognize New Russia, the time has come ...

      This is the last opportunity to save honor. Talk about conscience ... Pragmatism? We do not sell seeds in the market.
    6. vezunchik
      vezunchik 21 July 2014 18: 44
      +4
      may they not go against their masters!
  2. Yellow white
    Yellow white 21 July 2014 17: 07
    +4
    Yes, horseradish with two dill for you, not DONETSK am
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    2. Vik.Tor
      Vik.Tor 21 July 2014 18: 44
      +1
      Yes, horseradish with two dill for you, not DONETSK
      May God give it, but it’s like on a swing. For ukrov darkness, the truth is behind New Russia !!!
  3. il grand casino
    il grand casino 21 July 2014 17: 08
    +2
    Well, if you listen only to the ATO ... then they will soon enter Moscow
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 21 July 2014 18: 00
      -1
      The Ukrainian army will quickly run out of steam. Already there were similar massive attacks at the beginning of the last and the year before last. Everything will be fine. For the militias.
      1. Oleg amos
        Oleg amos 21 July 2014 18: 03
        +6
        At the expense of what expire? A lot of people, a lot of technology, a lot of anger
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 21 July 2014 21: 31
          0
          So I think that not only the militia will be stronger but the army ... experience is gained. Technique is also enough. Plus overwhelming superiority in artillery and aircraft
      2. alone
        alone 21 July 2014 21: 54
        +4
        Quote: Deniska999
        Krajina army quickly exhausted. Already there were similar massive attacks at the beginning of the last and the year before last. Everything will be fine. For the militias.

        Unfortunately, many members of the forum perceive the break of the Ukrainians during the fighting as "exhausted."

        Briefly about the operational situation, which I read from various sources. (Information from both) The following is obtained: the Triangle Rubezhnoye-Severodentsk-Lisichansk turned into a duumvirate of Severodonetsk-Lisichansk due to the fall of Rubezhnoy. Talks about the absence of Rubezhnoy’s defense, I think it’s stupid. Otherwise, the Ukrainians would not have stood there for 2 months. Now there are fights near Severodonetsk, Lysychansk and, oddly enough, information appeared about Popasny. This is a relatively deep rear of the Lisichansk line. Mozgovoy is still holding on, but the operational and tactical situation is getting worse. threatens a complete blockade.
        Lugansk. All day they say that there are fights in Yubileinoy, in Grigoryevka, in Lugutino. The first two n.p. are the outskirts of Lugansk. They slowly but surely surround them.
        And the second route to Donetsk passed through Lugutino (the first one closed after taking Sabovka). If for Lugansk this is somewhat tolerable, but for Donetsk it already means disaster. These were the last two roads along which help could go.
        Gorlovka. Dzerzhinsk was taken. The last large settlement in front of Gorlovka. They wrote that in Mayorsk (a suburb of Gorlovka) tanks and motorized infantry appeared.

        The distinguishing feature of everything that happens there says only one thing: using its clear superiority, the APU with its offensive actions does not make it possible to transfer reserves in one direction or another, because they are attacking from different angles, definitely not making it possible to understand which direction is the main thing.
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  4. alex56
    alex56 21 July 2014 17: 10
    0
    Tell me, please, what's with Rubezhny?
    Lost?
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 21 July 2014 17: 14
      +8
      Quote: alex56

      alex56 Today, 17:10 New
      Tell me, please, what's with Rubezhny?

      here on Rubezhnoye-taken by the junta troops yeshe ----
      11-30, Information was received that in Rubezhnoye (LNR), punitives check passports both in the city and in apartments


      LATEST BATTLE NEWS ...
      16-55, Igor Strelkov: “In Dzerzhinsk, the local militia, in cooperation with the detachments and armored vehicles of I. Bezler, almost completely destroyed the National Guard detachment that seized the city administration building at night - the remnants of the detachment were blocked in a burning building and burned down with it. help the paratrooper column did not dare to enter the city buildings and retreated towards Konstantinovka. The city continues to be subjected to massive shelling from all types of heavy artillery. The city center suffers especially badly. The militia lost about 15 people killed and wounded, the loss of ukrov is much greater. "
      "17-00, Ukrainian security forces are trying to take Donetsk in the ring," said one of the leaders of the militia of the Donetsk People's Republic, Miroslav Rudenko. "Apparently, the enemy wants to take Donetsk in the ring. If they occupy Gorlovka, it will, of course, complicate the combat situation somewhat, but we still have the eastern direction open for maneuver, "Rudenko said."


      WHERE SO MUCH FORCES, THE JUNT FOCUSED ???
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 21 July 2014 17: 34
        +3
        latest news from the fronts ...
        17-19, According to Strelkov: The center of Dzerzhinsk is occupied by large enemy forces. The city fell.
        17-00, Ukrainian security forces are trying to take Donetsk in the ring, said one of the leaders of the militia of the Donetsk People's Republic, Myroslav Rudenko. "Apparently, the enemy wants to take Donetsk in the ring. If they occupy Gorlovka, then this, of course, will somewhat complicate the combat situation, but we still have the eastern direction open to maneuver,"
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 21 July 2014 18: 08
          +6
          Putin's "cunning b **** plan" in action ....

          17-19, According to Strelkov: The center of Dzerzhinsk is occupied by large enemy forces. The city fell.



          7-36, In Donetsk, a shell hit the territory of the Tochmash plant, a fire breaks out. The plant is located five kilometers from the airport. Nearby in the immediate vicinity is the private sector. The plant itself is inoperative, but a sharp smell of gas emanates from there, apparently, there is a certain amount of gas cylinders there.

          17-30, Consequences of the shelling of Lysychansk

          17-57, Reporting with the militia reconnaissance group near the airport of Donetsk
      2. vlad-ns
        vlad-ns 21 July 2014 17: 40
        +15
        where from? there is no solid front line; a relocation is made. The numerical superiority of dill does its job.
        What is surprising, it was previously said that the militia in June had a large number of armored vehicles. Where is she? I. Strelkov is right in saying that without serious military support the Militia cannot survive.
        Has Putin really decided to merge Novorossia and allow the deployment of missile defense and NATO bases to OUR borders?
        1. Oleg amos
          Oleg amos 21 July 2014 17: 56
          +16
          I’ve been writing about this for two months, IT IS NECESSARY TO ENTER A MILITARY!
          And to do it before, but no, like, we’ll become aggressors.
          God punishes us for cowardice. Now we are aggressors and traitors in one bottle, minus
          1. Magadan
            Magadan 21 July 2014 20: 13
            +5
            wrote the same thing. No, damn it, the people have a Tolstoyan mood about "just-there-was-no-war."
            The betrayal of the Russian people is evident. Like it or not, like it, nobody likes it, but in the 18-19 century Russia stood up for the Slavs far beyond Russia. Even in Jerusalem, Orthodox churches were protected by the power of the Russian Empire.
            What now? Having such a powerful backlog from our ancestors in the form of the same resources, territories, the Army, membership in the Security Council .... we just can't give a shit. Or we don't want to, it doesn't matter. Everything is under the rule of the golden calf. "pragmatic interests" their mother.

            Oh yes, "no need for emotion"! Well, in this case, don't fucking hold the Victory Parade, since "emotions are not necessary."
            I am now in Sevastopol ... sadly, but our Sevastopol residents simply cannot sincerely understand what the Russian leadership is waiting for.
            In general, I do not believe in our government. I believe in our people, in Russia, in the Lord. But I don’t believe the government. Along the way, Putin is no longer the Leader of the Nation. He's just a gray bureaucrat.
            1. Rivares
              Rivares 21 July 2014 20: 55
              -3
              But is it possible to protect the one who does not want to protect himself? Well, they want to be slaves of the great Ukrainians, let them be. Should I fight for them? They out of 5 million at least 100 thousand fighters can not expose? This is their land and their homes, they should ask for weapons in the first place, and not the deployment of troops from GDP.
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 21 July 2014 21: 15
                +3
                Quote: Rivares
                they should ask for weapons first

                They asked more than once ...
      3. DPZ
        DPZ 21 July 2014 17: 44
        +14
        the junta has some kind of army but still. the people have a lot of weapons too. if they still learn to fight (and it’s the matter), then the militia will succumb to the militia without SUFFICIENT help. and you yourself know who can provide this help. or maybe not. pipeean. Well, are there really so many victims for nothing ?! I'm panicking ... calm down. Does anyone have optimistic, realistic forecasts?
      4. Nuar
        Nuar 21 July 2014 17: 45
        +10
        Quote: cosmos111
        WHERE SO MUCH FORCES, THE JUNT FOCUSED ???

        a population of 45 million - minus 6-7 million people. republics.

        It seems there is where to dial ...
        1. serega73
          serega73 21 July 2014 18: 59
          +1
          do not want to type (((
        2. Andrey82
          Andrey82 21 July 2014 19: 16
          +2
          Realistically - the population from the last census was reduced to 38-40 million people. Who should look for statistics on the consumption of bread in Ukraine. Minus 3 million in the Crimea and 7 million in the southeast - we get 28-30 million, and most of them are not eager to go die for Khazar interests and shale gas for the United States.
        3. Roman 11
          Roman 11 21 July 2014 19: 29
          +1
          Quote: Nuar
          population 45 million

          It was with the Crimea.
          1. Nuar
            Nuar 21 July 2014 20: 10
            +3
            to
            Quote: Novel 11
            It was with the Crimea.

            Quote: Andrey82
            Minus 3 million in Crimea and 7 million
            yes, about 1,8 m. Crimea forgot feel

            only I should turn on the TV and in any half hour I will hear at least 3 (three) times about the "temporarily occupied Crimea". The fact that after the ATO Crimea was next announced in the Supreme Rada, and the ministers (including the military) and all and sundry ... True, Putin does not know about this along the way.
            1. Andrey82
              Andrey82 21 July 2014 21: 07
              0
              Actually, about 2 million, not 3 - corrected thanks. And hundreds of thousands of refugees are already in Russia.
        4. Bayard
          Bayard 21 July 2014 21: 13
          +1
          Quote: Nuar
          Quote: cosmos111
          WHERE SO MUCH FORCES, THE JUNT FOCUSED ???


          The last three days in Odessa, the troops of the "young NATO" have been unloading at night and everything is there, maybe just arrived. That’s not the problem, he’s going to grind, but the card-ballet with Boeing made it difficult to deliver help from kind people, especially heavy and anti-aircraft ones ... I hope everything will be corrected, I hope soon.
          1. Andrey82
            Andrey82 21 July 2014 22: 15
            0
            Why should the Poles and Romanians with the Balts drive the equipment and the lich. composition by sea? Isn’t it easier across the land border and immediately to the railway. platforms east?
            1. alone
              alone 21 July 2014 22: 29
              +2
              When I say that, most of the information is not friends with logic, they call me an accomplice of the State Department))
  5. evgenvip
    evgenvip 21 July 2014 17: 10
    +11
    the guys from the DPR and LPR seem to be holding fast.
  6. DMB-88
    DMB-88 21 July 2014 17: 11
    +4
    the situation is difficult, but listening to the balobolst of dill is not to respect yourself!
    1. nils
      nils 21 July 2014 17: 14
      +8
      Summary from Strelkova 21.07.2014 14: 37 Moscow time

      In Dzerzhinsk, the battle continues. The city center is “torn apart” by volleys of “hailstones” and “hurricanes”, there is continuous fire (I think Tymchuk already writes about how “terrorists fire at the city”). The militias are gradually pulled towards Gorlovka - the forces are too unequal - new columns of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles constantly approach Dzerzhinsk. Ukrov has few infantry. But in conditions when almost every militia armed with a machine gun has one unit of armored vehicles, this does not play a role.

      http://icorpus.ru/svodka-ot-strelkova-21-07-2014-1437-msk/

      We are fighting on the outskirts of Naytolovo and in the railway area train station. 1 the Ukrainian tank was burned, one more was shot down, but this is a “drop in the ocean” - today they were put into battle near 30. We are “pressed” into the city. The situation in Slavyansk is repeated on a ten-to-one scale: they are being pushed into buildings by tanks and surrounded on all sides.
  7. RUSS
    RUSS 21 July 2014 17: 12
    +6
    The Ukrainian Army also reports on the capture of the village of Peski, located in the immediate vicinity of Donetsk.

    The Ukrainians will soon take Donetsk and Lugansk, and Strelkov can surrender their own as Emelyanka Pugacheva, denunciations and "surrenders" will rush like in Slavyansk.
  8. demo_mag
    demo_mag 21 July 2014 17: 12
    0
    There is reliable data !? Put it here.
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 21 July 2014 17: 15
      +2

      demo_mag FR  Today, 17: 12 New
      There is reliable data !? Lay out here


      ,,,, http: //voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/3034-voyna-na-yugo-vostoke-onlayn-2107
      2014-hronika-sobytiy-post-obnovlyaetsya.html
    2. Paradoxov
      Paradoxov 21 July 2014 17: 17
      +5
      Summary from I.I. Strelkov: the adversary is exhausted
      today • 16:44
      In Dzerzhinsk, the local militia, in collaboration with the detachments and armored vehicles of I. Bezler, almost completely destroyed the National Guard detachment, which captured the city administration building at night - the remains of the detachment were blocked in a burning building and burned with it. The convoy of paratroopers coming to the rescue did not dare to enter the city building and retreated towards Konstantinovka.


      I believe it is clear to whom to believe;)
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 21 July 2014 17: 47
        +4
        Yes it is clear. And half an hour later they reported that the city had fallen
      2. SSeT
        SSeT 21 July 2014 22: 22
        0
        Ohh, hold on, brothers! You could hold out for a couple of weeks. Then dill will be blown away, no mobilization will help! Hold on!
    3. demo_mag
      demo_mag 21 July 2014 18: 10
      0
      What is the minus !?
    4. RUSS
      RUSS 21 July 2014 18: 21
      +5
      Quote: demo_mag
      There is reliable data !? Put it here.


      Yesterday on TV at Solovyov, a representative of Novorossiya said, "the population in Donbass is very fragmented," many have no trust. This man wanted something else to say about, but Solovyov competently "pushed aside" by giving a monologue to another participant in the program.
  9. nvn_co
    nvn_co 21 July 2014 17: 12
    +2
    Resist! Something seems to me today the attacks began to fizzle out ... That and the losses are big, again the Ukrov turntables and An-26 to Kharkov and the Dnieper suffered "grief to families."
  10. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 21 July 2014 17: 12
    +5
    "We need to give Rabbit and Piggy a whip in the butt,
    It’s necessary to continue the word about Donbass,
    The udder must be felt by the old Europe
    And the testicles in a vise clamp the USA. "
    Ripped off the comments. on another site, let the author forgive me, but as it is well said.
  11. AleksPol
    AleksPol 21 July 2014 17: 14
    +2
    RBC 21.07.2014/16/54, Moscow 17:777:XNUMX The Russian Ministry of Defense has at its disposal satellite imagery that records the order of the Ukrainian air defense systems before the crash of the Boeing XNUMX. This was announced by the head of the main operational department of the General Staff of the Russian Air Force Andrey Kartapolov.
    1. BEGGAR
      BEGGAR 21 July 2014 20: 48
      +1
      The Ministry of Defense of Russia has at its disposal
      believe the same aggressor?
  12. Dave36
    Dave36 21 July 2014 17: 14
    0
    Today Putin is gathering security ...
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 21 July 2014 17: 18
      +9
      It’s time for Putin to act and act like this .. otherwise they will choke Russia!
      1. Andrey82
        Andrey82 21 July 2014 17: 36
        +9
        If only from the instinct of self-preservation. Well, he must understand that he will not "agree" and the loot will still be taken away.
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 21 July 2014 19: 13
        +3
        Quote: MIKHAN
        It’s time for Putin to act and act like this .. otherwise they will choke Russia!

        You have the ignition later! It is high time....
  13. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 21 July 2014 17: 15
    +7
    Summary from Strelkova:
    Submitted 16 minutes ago
    Fighting continues at Karlovka, Nightolovo. The enemy's attack fizzles out. A counterattack of tanks from the Vostok unit eliminated the threat to the village of Peski. Our "Nona" attacked enemy positions at the airport. The fire of the DRG at the entrance to the airport destroyed a KAMAZ with ammunition.
    Our artillery attacked enemy positions south of Marinovka in the area of ​​Snezhnoye. Two enemy armored vehicles dug into the ground were destroyed, but infantry have not yet been able to advance forward - Ukrainians are constantly drawing fresh reserves to the area.
    Debalcevo remains in the hands of the militia - reports of his surrender turned out to be false. However, the route to the north is intercepted by a large group of enemy tanks.
    In Dzerzhinsk, the local militia, in collaboration with the detachments and armored vehicles of I. Bezler, almost completely destroyed the National Guard detachment, which captured the city administration building at night - the remains of the detachment were blocked in a burning building and burned with it. The convoy of paratroopers coming to the rescue did not dare to enter the city building and retreated towards Konstantinovka. The city continues to undergo massive shelling from all types of heavy artillery. The city center is particularly affected. The militia lost about 15 people killed and wounded, losses ukrov - much more.
    On the whole, the situation for the Armed Forces of the DPR remains difficult, and hostilities with the accompanying destruction continue to spread wider and wider.



    News from Ukrainian soldiers surrounded at the border (according to one of the volunteers helping them):
    Zhenya is in touch.
    Alive, healthy. Help did not fit, the food was over, there was still water. In the morning they shot a hare, chengachkuki. A couple of dozen 200's were buried yesterday, because they are already decomposing. The Chechens are pulled away by landing because the stench has gone. They dug in, accustomed to shelling, they did not allow living manpower to live. The wounded are all that hold on to them so far. The command said to hold on. There is fighting spirit, hold on! Real heroes!
    At the first shelling, the mattresses burned, for which the lawyer of the brigade promised to punish. And the battalion commander promised to shoot a lawyer
    pancake How can you explain to people on the streets of Kiev that there is a war going on?

    https://www.facebook.com/kjjggkjgkj/posts/773456482676910

    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 21 July 2014 18: 20
      +1
      Novel 77, scrape to your liking ... I want to cry, but you can't panic. But there is already so little will in the soul ...
    2. 3vs
      3vs 21 July 2014 18: 35
      +5
      Stop uploading such drawings!
      At the very tears welling up!

      I recommend sending this picture to the website of the President of Russia and
      government!
      1. nahalenok911
        nahalenok911 21 July 2014 19: 00
        +2
        You guys are ours !!! If GDP merges you, then we won’t let him down!
        1. BEGGAR
          BEGGAR 21 July 2014 20: 56
          +1
          ! If GDP merges you, then we won’t let him down!
          And what do we do?
      2. BEGGAR
        BEGGAR 21 July 2014 20: 55
        0
        Stop uploading such drawings!
        Do not be discouraged, in this IZO RF laid out in the right color Vlasov traitors.
    3. Ann
      Ann 21 July 2014 19: 19
      -3
      no worse just situation with crime easier geography is different
    4. BEGGAR
      BEGGAR 21 July 2014 20: 53
      +3
      today, the RF is not a mother, but a lady-stepmother of its citizens.
  14. Stalker
    Stalker 21 July 2014 17: 18
    0
    Self-Defense Forces is the main thing to stretch out before the winter !! And at Shrovetide in Kiev there will be one defender !!!!! laughing
    1. Oleg amos
      Oleg amos 21 July 2014 17: 24
      +11
      If another month is stretched there will be a miracle
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 21 July 2014 19: 13
        0
        I heard this in April, 3 months have passed and the same number will pass and they will also say that they will not last even a week.
  15. Sword
    Sword 21 July 2014 17: 18
    +2
    Last post on Dzerzhinsk.
    Submitted 20 minutes ago

    The center of Dzerzhinsk is occupied by large enemy forces. The city fell.

    "Agent of the State Department" (c) Regis
  16. evilrussian
    evilrussian 21 July 2014 17: 19
    -1
    Guys well done!
  17. moody fin
    moody fin 21 July 2014 17: 19
    +11
    all these fesbuchny trolls suckers .... they didn’t take a damn and they don’t control anything, but they’ll destroy and destroy ... they think that we will fight in the Second World Fronts ... let the Ukrainians wake up this is a guerrilla war ... in small groups, mobile we all the SS Guards balk you)))
    1. BEGGAR
      BEGGAR 21 July 2014 21: 00
      0
      SSguards of all we click)))
      in Slavyansk and Kramotorsk clicked a lot? The Nutcrackers ..
      1. viktorR
        viktorR 21 July 2014 23: 20
        +1
        more than you are on the Internet.
  18. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 21 July 2014 17: 20
    +10
    Events are gaining momentum. In the next day or two, we must wait for important statements, or for some action on the part of Russia. The junta is in a hurry to occupy Donetsk and try not to let the militia pass the flight recorders to the Malaysians. Judging by the facts presented at the MO briefing, dill can not get out of the destruction of the Boeing, the Americans will try to wash their hands. Therefore, piglets need to take Donetsk!
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 21 July 2014 17: 29
      +5
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      . In the next day or two, we need to wait for important statements, or some actions on the part of Russia

      Why's that? Yes, after 2 days ...
    2. jovanni
      jovanni 21 July 2014 17: 29
      +7
      Why are two days, two months waiting! In the meantime, only meeee ...
    3. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 21 July 2014 17: 35
      +5
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      In the next day or two, we must wait for important statements, or for some action on the part of Russia. The junta is in a hurry to occupy Donetsk and try not to let the militia pass the flight recorders to the Malaysians.


      Do you want to say that the junta is in a hurry to take Donetsk because of the recorders? I have not read such nonsense yet. And what is the problem for the defenders of Donbass and Lugansk to transfer the "boxes" to the Malays? Everything is very simple here, the Kiev pastry chef needs to take control of these two republics. That's all. Sit down, do not invent.
    4. DPZ
      DPZ 21 July 2014 17: 48
      +2
      An unscheduled meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation is scheduled for July 22
      I want Russia to show its teeth
  19. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 21 July 2014 17: 24
    +3
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stated that they recorded how the Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft flew in the direction of the Boeing 777, which later crashed in the Donetsk region

    Read more on NTV.Ru: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1150358/#ixzz386oys8n4
  20. Russ69
    Russ69 21 July 2014 17: 24
    +10
    21.07.14/17/12. XNUMX:XNUMX Message from "Dolgovtsy", Donetsk militias.

    "The Ukrainian army was driven out of the Oktyabrsky village. We are processing them from the Grad MLRS already on Peski. A very small part of the punitive army again flew into the airport. The enemy was defeated."
  21. fregina1
    fregina1 21 July 2014 17: 25
    +16
    We look forward to tomorrow’s statement by the Russian Security Council!
    as a minimum:
    1.Political Recognition of New Russia!
    2.Accusation of Ukraine in the destruction of the Boeing!
    3.An announcement of Parashenko and the gop. companies by international criminals with the seizure of their property and the creation of a tribunal!
    4. The ban on imports from Ukraine
    5. Sale to Iran With 300.
    6.Active assistance to the rebels, or rather the army of New Russia, the termination of transit through the outskirts, with redistribution through the Nord Stream and Belarus! If at least part of this will not feel like rags! Her centuries-old spirit!
    7. In Russian, he will explain to Geyrope that if they want to receive they will get a conflict in the center of Europe, cold batteries in the winter, and most importantly, will be the target of our missiles!
    Then we’ll see whose sanctions are cooler!
    And let their Mistrals be shoved deeper into themselves!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 July 2014 17: 28
      +12
      Quote: fregina1
      as a minimum:

      At a minimum, Psaki will speak tomorrow and say that the proof of Russia is not convincing. Russia is trying to relieve itself of responsibility and all that. I can bet hi
      1. Vik.Tor
        Vik.Tor 21 July 2014 17: 45
        +6
        At a minimum, Psaki will speak tomorrow and say that the proof of Russia is not convincing. Russia is trying to step down responsibility and all that. I can argue hi
        It’s useless to argue with you, see right through space hi
      2. stayer
        stayer 21 July 2014 17: 50
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        At a minimum, Psaki will speak tomorrow and say that the proof of Russia is not convincing. Russia is trying to relieve itself of responsibility and all that. I bet

        Sasha, who is throwing trump cards at the beginning of the game? All trump cards are in store for later. And it wasn’t Buk who shot down the plane, only at the very end everyone will learn about it from the Russian Defense Ministry.
      3. Roman 11
        Roman 11 21 July 2014 19: 53
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        At least tomorrow, Psaki will speak and say that the proof of Russia is not convincing
        Don't you find it strange to watch the dogs? If they are interested in her, then only the kids watching "Wait a minute" and other cartoons.
    2. Old warrant officer
      Old warrant officer 21 July 2014 17: 32
      +2
      The first 3 points will be enough, we will deal with the rest later.
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 21 July 2014 17: 40
      +9
      Quote: fregina1
      We look forward to tomorrow’s statement by the Russian Security Council!
      as a minimum:

      Here you are ... smile
      If at least one point of 1,2,3,6 is fulfilled, I will erect a monument to GDP ...
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      At a minimum, Psaki will speak tomorrow and say that the proof of Russia is not convincing. Russia is trying to lay down

      Here it is, closer to reality ...
    4. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 21 July 2014 18: 01
      +1
      Well, and what do you think, wait for at least one point?
    5. g1v2
      g1v2 21 July 2014 19: 24
      +1
      There will be no point one, since it is not profitable for us, point 2 will be announced when the recorders decode. There will be no point 3, since it is beneficial for us to supply piglets with cancer, but not eliminate it. There will be no point 4, since there are a lot of Russian property in dill and our companies will lose money and the country will have taxes. Point 5 will not be in the near future, but in the future is possible. Point 6 and so it goes - Strelkov did not particularly disobey when he was given Western statements about the transfer to the militia of about 50 tanks. You can fit more tanks, but the bottleneck is the presence of crews. Paragraph 7 is even pointless to discuss, for nonsense.
    6. i'm from the past
      i'm from the past 22 July 2014 01: 25
      0
      Oh well.....
  22. vlad-ns
    vlad-ns 21 July 2014 17: 27
    0
    if dill has a lot of armored vehicles, is it time to burn it with Molotov cocktails?
  23. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 21 July 2014 17: 29
    +9
    They already hung up the advertisement -blood .. (I think I drove a dill fighter) This whole thing will be hushed up as well as WITH THE BROKEN-UP TU-154 ... Russia has already been blamed in all the Western media .. But you need to put pressure on the facts very actively ..
  24. Oleg amos
    Oleg amos 21 July 2014 17: 31
    +6
    What can I say, it was clear that without the powerful help of victory is not worth the wait.
    We must already intervene, no confessions will help now.
    It is necessary to introduce troops, Milosevic also came up with cunning plans with the draining of Krajina.
    Americans will achieve their goal even if frankly with salt!
  25. Yellow white
    Yellow white 21 July 2014 17: 32
    +3
    "We would have to stand for a day, but hold out for a night" ....

    Where to get strength and reserves, although I.I.S. says that there is nothing to reinforce, nothing to arm ...
  26. tommy717
    tommy717 21 July 2014 17: 37
    0
    New Russia will be recognized after the republic’s army enters the borders of the DPR and LPR with Khokhlo territory.
    1. Oleg amos
      Oleg amos 21 July 2014 17: 41
      +6
      They already jumped above their heads, either to help them, or they die
  27. Amper
    Amper 21 July 2014 17: 37
    +2
    Quote: fregina1
    We look forward to tomorrow’s statement by the Russian Security Council!
    as a minimum:
    1.Political Recognition of New Russia!
    2.Accusation of Ukraine in the destruction of the Boeing!
    3.An announcement of Parashenko and the gop. companies by international criminals with the seizure of their property and the creation of a tribunal!
    4. The ban on imports from Ukraine
    5. Sale to Iran With 300.
    6.Active assistance to the rebels, or rather the army of New Russia, the termination of transit through the outskirts, with redistribution through the Nord Stream and Belarus! If at least part of this will not feel like rags! Her centuries-old spirit!
    7. In Russian, he will explain to Geyrope that if they want to receive they will get a conflict in the center of Europe, cold batteries in the winter, and most importantly, will be the target of our missiles!
    Then we’ll see whose sanctions are cooler!
    And let their Mistrals be shoved deeper into themselves!


    Only ..puds or embezzlers can order weapons from a potential enemy. And we have a lot of first and second.
  28. P-38
    P-38 21 July 2014 17: 39
    -8
    It seems that the Natsiks will not take Donetsk, and the star-striped ones may merge them.
    1. Oleg amos
      Oleg amos 21 July 2014 17: 43
      +5
      They help them more than we do.
      1. Valexav
        Valexav 21 July 2014 18: 50
        +7
        I hate the United States, but I respect that if you decide to do, then they do it all the way. Ours are inherent in eternal confusion and vacillation ..
    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 21 July 2014 17: 45
      +2
      I really don’t know the truth ... but I think it is quite possible .. Hold on guys! It is necessary to tolerate Russia reptiles overlaid .. (also fight at all levels)
      In Dzerzhinsk, the local militia, in collaboration with the detachments and armored vehicles of I. Bezler, almost completely destroyed the National Guard detachment, which captured the city administration building at night - the remains of the detachment were blocked in a burning building and burned with it. RETURNED !!!
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 21 July 2014 18: 08
        +2
        Quote: MIKHAN
        . (also fight at all levels)




        Name at least one level, your level.
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 21 July 2014 18: 12
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: MIKHAN
          . (also fight at all levels)




          Name at least one level, your level.

          While diplomacy and special services .. This is our level (in Russia) .. and there it will be seen .. (pinned ..))) bully
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 21 July 2014 18: 23
            +3
            Quote: MIKHAN
            (pinned up ..)))


            A little bit laughing
      2. alone
        alone 21 July 2014 22: 05
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        In Dzerzhinsk, the local militia, in collaboration with the detachments and armored vehicles of I. Bezler, almost completely destroyed the National Guard detachment, which captured the city administration building at night - the remains of the detachment were blocked in a burning building and burned with it. RETURNED !!!

        And half an hour later Strelkov declared that the city had fallen.
  29. dguzepe
    dguzepe 21 July 2014 17: 41
    +10
    Vova help out !!! ordinary people of Donbass (who lose their children, relatives, relatives, home) no longer believe anyone !!! Only they believed you, so be so good HELP !!!!!
  30. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 21 July 2014 17: 41
    +9
    Serbian volunteer sniper Novislav Djajic, fighting in the squad of the famous Motorola.


    Glory to the fighters against Ukrainian fascism !!!
  31. Russ69
    Russ69 21 July 2014 17: 43
    +8
    21.07.14. Message from the militia headquarters.

    "Three fighters of the Motorola unit, who distinguished themselves during the battles in Nikolaevka and Slavyansk, were awarded St. George's crosses.
    1. Petruch
    2. Beetle
    3. The cloud
    Petrukh, covering his comrades-in-arms, burned the armored personnel carrier of the Ukrainian invaders.
    The fighters of the support group Zhuk and Tucha, covering up the withdrawal of the militia detachment from Slavyansk, did not allow 4 armored personnel carriers to pass through.
    For courage, decisiveness and courage, the soldiers were awarded the St. George's Crosses. "

    21.07.2014/16/22 XNUMX:XNUMX (Moscow time) Reports on Lugansk and Rubezhnoye.

    Lugansk
    "From time to time it arrives from Oboznoe-Khristovoy, not very often, they hit the center and Cambroda. The militia responded 2-3 times from the hail, the last time about 7 minutes ago. After the response, the Ukrainians are silent for a while, then again 5-10 shells. there are no private cars. Some shops in the east are open, there is not an abundance of food, but there is enough (probably because many have left) on the streets (in the east) people rarely appear, but still not deserted. "

    Rubizhne
    “The flag was hung out by the Ukrainians, and they started cleaning the apartments.
    Last infa: squeeze packs of vodka, juice, drinks in stores, pick up some expensive cars with people. And "filtered" in full, defenders.
    The first thing the Russians cut off the channels! even earlier than the flag went to hang. Ukrainians now go with lists of conscripts, they take them to the National Guard. Be careful with info on your computer. Correspondence, zello and so on, delete everything. "
  32. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 21 July 2014 17: 45
    -1
    Quote: vlad-ns
    where from? there is no solid front line; a relocation is made. The numerical superiority of dill does its job.
    What is surprising, it was previously said that the militia in June had a large number of armored vehicles. Where is she? I. Strelkov is right in saying that without serious military support the Militia cannot survive.
    Has Putin really decided to merge Novorossia and allow the deployment of missile defense and NATO bases to OUR borders?

    So it has been draining for a long time, is it not visible? And the NATO base has long been in Ulyanovsk, do not you know?
  33. Mirth
    Mirth 21 July 2014 17: 46
    +2
    Dzerzhinsk fell
    http://icorpus.ru/soobshhenie-ot-strelkova-21-07-2014-1655-msk/

    =(
  34. kmike
    kmike 21 July 2014 17: 58
    0
    Ukrovoyaki still do not suspect that the most difficult battles are yet to come. The war for the capture of the city is the most difficult. They will not overpower, there will not be enough spirit. wassat
  35. Vladimir I
    Vladimir I 21 July 2014 17: 59
    +5
    Who else from the keyboard players did not understand that after the surrender of the Donbass Crimea will be next?
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 21 July 2014 18: 09
      -1
      Quote: Vladimir I
      Who else from the keyboard players did not understand that after the surrender of the Donbass Crimea will be next?


      Well, this is a completely different "song".
  36. Frate
    Frate 21 July 2014 18: 00
    +3
    Quote: cosmos111

    WHERE SO MUCH FORCES, THE JUNT FOCUSED ???


    Where from? Carefully read the reports of I.I. Strelkov - about this, in almost all messages. Please quote from yesterday's messages - Strelkov: "They hoped in vain. The junta deftly creates the impression of its" weakness "and" readiness to negotiate ", but in reality, military power is being built up continuously ... And they are going to fight" to the bitter end "in order to win militia, with an experienced and victorious army to recapture the Crimea. "
    We all criticize them and laugh, and they are rapidly learning to fight and getting stronger, while ours are losing their best fighters and do not have the help of military experts on key issues. Not to mention the rest. And another quote from yesterday's reports (see yesterday's material in VO): "I can only say that wars are not won by passive defense and continuous retreats. As the territory shrinks, our resources will decrease and desertion will increase. This is on the one hand. And on the other - to grow density of enemy artillery fire. " In this situation, the question should be the opposite: WHERE IS THE POWER OF OUR REGIONERS? So much time to hold out against the horde of Nazis!
  37. SEK
    SEK 21 July 2014 18: 06
    +4
    Belief in a good king and bad boyars among our people is indestructible.
  38. MSA
    MSA 21 July 2014 18: 10
    +1
    Hang on guys.
  39. Russ69
    Russ69 21 July 2014 18: 10
    +3
    Reporting with a reconnaissance group of a militia near the airport in Donetsk 21.07.20/XNUMX/XNUMX ...
  40. navy47
    navy47 21 July 2014 18: 11
    +3
    Quote: il grand casino
    Well, if you listen only to the ATO ... then they will soon enter Moscow

    How much you can ask everyone, do not write you (ATO), and even so with a capital letter. T.O., T.O., terrorist operation.
  41. Oleg amos
    Oleg amos 21 July 2014 18: 14
    -2
    If we otmazhimsya from the plane will be tantamount to not sending troops.
  42. Agent 008
    Agent 008 21 July 2014 18: 15
    0
    Quote: vlad-ns
    if dill has a lot of armored vehicles, is it time to burn it with Molotov cocktails?

    Remember the advertisement: "But the men don't know ..."
  43. Vesnik
    Vesnik 21 July 2014 18: 22
    +4
    [Quote] I. Strelkov's summaries: "They hoped in vain. The junta deftly creates the impression of its" weakness "and" readiness for negotiations, "but in reality, the buildup of military power is ongoing ... And they are going to fight" to the bitter end "so that having defeated the militia, with an experienced and victorious army to recapture the Crimea. "
    We all criticize them and laugh, and they are rapidly learning to fight and getting stronger, while ours are losing their best fighters and do not have the help of military experts on key issues. Not to mention the rest. And another quote from yesterday's reports (see yesterday's material in VO): "I can only say that wars are not won by passive defense and continuous retreats. As the territory shrinks, our resources will decrease and desertion will increase. This is on the one hand. And on the other - to grow density of enemy artillery fire. " In this situation, the question should be the opposite: WHERE IS THE POWER OF OUR REGULATIONS? So much time to hold out against the horde of Nazis! [Quote]
    ------------------------------------------
    This is a war with the regular army!
    Now "something" should appear. If this "something" does not exist, Strelkov and far from "not the last" human heroes are deeply sorry ..
  44. Wolka
    Wolka 21 July 2014 18: 32
    +1
    hold on guys, swear as much as you want, but just hold on ... negative
  45. Iline
    Iline 21 July 2014 18: 35
    +1
    Today, July 21, at the conciliation council of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, along with the issue of conducting another partial mobilization, the problem of financing military operations in eastern Ukraine was considered. The Minister of Finance of Ukraine Oleksandr Shlapak informed the leaders of the parliamentary factions that 1,5 billion dollars are needed every month for the ATO in the Donbass. In the reserve fund of the state budget for these purposes only 520 million dollars remained.

    For further successful suppression of resistance in the eastern regions, it is vitally necessary to find additional sources of financing. As we previously informed, the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine believes that $ 9,1 billion is needed to maintain the country's defense capabilities.

    The leaders of parliamentary factions were shocked by such financial defense spending. Ukraine is now in financial time pressure.

    Trade with Russia has practically stopped. A third of all products that were previously sold in the Russian Federation are now rotting in warehouses. In the EU, this product does not qualify. The country has seen another significant decline in GDP. The question of further loans from the IMF froze until the end of the ATO, to complete which, now, there is not enough money. Most likely, Ukraine will fall into heavy and long-term financial dependence on the United States and will become its raw materials appendage and market for stale low-grade goods.
    Today, July 21, at the conciliation council of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, along with the issue of conducting another partial mobilization, the problem of financing military operations in eastern Ukraine was considered. The Minister of Finance of Ukraine Oleksandr Shlapak informed the leaders of parliamentary factions that $ 1,5 billion is needed every month for the ATO in the Donbass. In the reserve fund of the state budget for these purposes, only 520 million dollars remained. Http: //time-news.net/economy/5099-minfin-deneg-na-provedenie-ato-ostalo
    s-na-10-days.html

    Something like this. Now screams will be heard again: "Give me money"
  46. Wolka
    Wolka 21 July 2014 18: 38
    +1
    men hold on, just hold on, there is no other way, knock out armored vehicles and manpower of dill and hold on, hold on ... soldier
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 21 July 2014 18: 56
      0
      Is it easier for someone to stay on ours ...? Yes, and hold on, for which there is less and less.
      1. Wolka
        Wolka 21 July 2014 19: 48
        0
        you have options ... suggest
  47. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 21 July 2014 18: 44
    +3
    Quote: Vesnik
    We all criticize them and laugh, and they are rapidly learning to fight and gain strength, while ours are losing the best

    Learn and not bad (despite the losses ..) This is very alarming .. (their hands were untied, they wet everything from all types of weapons ..) they become impudent every day ..! The civilian Boeing was shot down (I think they obviously) should stop all hostilities (the international airliner), supposedly there will be enough victims, let's figure it out .. And the Ukrainians are still more zealous (while Russia is trying to prove what's what) So think about what purpose .. ! Obama has already expressed his opinion and that’s all ..! Conclusion It's time to teach dill (point hits ..), etc. Why are we worse than Israel? (Kolomoisky is using them there ..) or can Palestine provide air defense to Syria and Iran ..? And then I look at the greyhounds .. am
  48. Wolka
    Wolka 21 July 2014 18: 46
    +2
    militia if there is one among you who once stood for Salag, Kabul, Gartez, you have to stand, stand and stand again, no one but us ... soldier
  49. novel68rus
    novel68rus 21 July 2014 18: 47
    +5
    Ukrainians want to announce a partial mobilization .. there will be a lot of meat .. the militia guys will have to be very tight .. something needs to be decided .. they will take Donetsk and Lugansk then they will definitely go to the Crimea .. the national arcs are frostbitten .. how long will our leadership still have notes send?
    1. boozer
      boozer 21 July 2014 21: 23
      -1
      The Security Council of Russia will accept a statement to protect the integrity of our state. Perhaps they will declare a defense doctrine, with a preemptive strike. Waiting, sir ...
  50. IAlex
    IAlex 21 July 2014 18: 49
    +4
    The only thing they heroically do is drag time. 12 - 15 thousand, militias, without aviation, a huge amount of artillery, armored vehicles, supplies against the 300 thousandth army, and with 400 thousand reservists, it’s probably heroism to hold on to without help ...

    However, I was sure of this and now my opinion is being strengthened that they will not succeed in holding back, and the moment of help was lost long ago, because when the junta came to power, the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs essentially collapsed and the army consisted of two battalions of the national troops of Kolomoisky. Now, after all, it was mobilized, pulled east, deployed a missile defense system, gained combat experience, and supplies from abroad ...