Canada intends to oust Kalashnikov in the global market with CK901 and anti-Russian sanctions

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Lead developer small weapons For Canadian military personnel and other security forces in the country, the company is DIEMACO, headquartered in Ontario, Kitchener. In 2005, this Canadian company became part of a large production association "Colt Military" and changed its name to CC - "Colt Canada", the website reports http://www.all4shooters.com.

Canada intends to oust Kalashnikov in the global market with CK901 and anti-Russian sanctions


For several years, the Canadian CBC has continued to explore the development and implementation of weapons systems for Canadian Forces based on AR-15 / M16 / M4. Interest in such weapons was shown not only in Canada, but also in a number of European countries. These are Holland, Denmark, Norway and the United Kingdom. At the same time, the Canadian company was much more liberal in the sale of weapons to the allies of Canada than the American companies. In principle, no special documents were required for the acquisition of rifle units from CC, which helped the company to find more and more new foreign customers, often gaining a competitive advantage over American weapons manufacturers.
Today, Canadian manufacturers are determined to push their weapons to the world market, with particular emphasis on the possibility of replacing AK and AKM in Eastern European and Asian countries.

The EUROSATORY-2014 exhibition, at which Colt Canada presented its products, allowed specialists to evaluate the new version of the Colt Militari modular shooting system. System marking - CK901.

The system of this type was proposed by the company back in 2010 year (under the brand CM901), but now the company has implemented a new rifle, which is a kind of modernization of the assault carbine.

The assault rifle "Colt Military 901" was at one time made in such a way that it had a monolithic upper part of the receiver, a modular version of the lower part of the receiver when using automation with direct gas supply.

The “native” caliber rifle from the SS is the caliber 5.56x45mm. But the modular principle allows you to re-equip the rifle with other shops chambered for 7.62x51mm. STANAG 901 and SR-4179 type stores are suitable for the "Colt Military25" rifle. Canadian manufacturers decided to make not only an automatic assault rifle, but also a semi-automatic version of it.

The new CK901 system, in contrast to the CM901, was developed for the caliber 7.62x39mm. Recently, this caliber has often been called the “Russian caliber,” since it was under it that the Kalashnikov assault rifle was developed.

The new CK901 is a hybrid weapon that retains the features of the M4 carbine and the CM901 base system.



The weapon is equipped with full-size Picatinny plates for the integration of auxiliary accessories. The rifle has a folding butt, as well as symmetrical controls. Everything is done in such a way that people accustomed to using the M4 carbine can quickly adapt to the firing of new weapons from Canadian manufacturers.

A significant difference can be called, perhaps, a special receiver for the store - magwell. It has much in common with those types of weapons that are based on the model range of Kalashnikov assault rifles of various modifications.



In those samples that were presented at the Paris exhibition, American-made PALM AK30 shops were used. Experts believe that of all North American stores, this model is the most suited to weapons made according to the modular principle with the possibility of switching to the caliber 7.62x39mm.



New small arms from the SS (CK901) can be equipped with two types of barrels, which differ in length. The first version of the barrel has a length of 14,5 inches, the second - 16 inches. In centimeters, these are 36,83 and 40,64, respectively. The weapon is delivered without the “HO” (Hold Open) lock.

The developers have mentioned that the weapon can be focused on the use of caliber 5.45x39mm. This is the usual caliber for weapons used by the armies of many countries in Eastern Europe today. The meaning of a possible transition to such a caliber is to cover the markets of the new members of the North Atlantic Alliance, which does not cease to attempt a new expansion to the east.

Today we are talking about the sale of such a shooting automation and not in NATO countries, too. At the arms exhibition, the company signed a contract with Yemen for the supply of CK901 to this country. A number of experts believe that Yemen is going to abandon the use of AKM under pressure from North American partners, who reminded of the sanctions in force against the Kalashnikov concern. Sanctions for the United States and Canada are becoming a convenient mechanism for promoting goods without full competition.
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  1. +5
    22 July 2014 08: 53
    Outsmart the Kalashnikov ?! Than? Picatinny strips or designs that are strangely reminiscent of something very familiar. Inside, then, are there any differences from the AK?
    ... I'm already silent about the History of our machine !!!
    1. +14
      22 July 2014 09: 36
      Jews have already driven out of Vietnam. India began to make its weapons. And inside is the same AR-15. But history does not bother anyone - people need goods and not words.
      1. +3
        22 July 2014 10: 16
        News in topic.

        Demand for Kalashnikov assault rifles grows in US after sanctions against Russia are announced


        http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1331022
        1. +3
          22 July 2014 10: 39
          Quote: ℳy ℒiƒℯ
          News in topic.

          Demand for Kalashnikov assault rifles grows in US after sanctions against Russia are announced

          The term "Kalashnikov assault rifle" refers to all products externally or internally similar to the original. This does not mean that these products were manufactured at the factories of the Kalashnikov concern. The author of the news is a moron, he has no idea that Russia does not supply AKs to the United States, Bulgaria does this, in the United States itself AKs are made by weapons companies under different names. Concern "Kalashnikov" supplied to the USA ONLY! civilian weapons, namely the Saiga smoothbore guns.
    2. +4
      22 July 2014 10: 11
      One figs from military experience, I think they’ll take up Kalash by spitting on sanctions, when no one remembers the sanctions flying past ears.
    3. +2
      22 July 2014 13: 42
      .. into her dirt and then we'll see ..
    4. Victor-cort
      0
      10 August 2014 14: 32
      FN FAL at one time AK (Chinese of course, oddly enough, but the main number of AK in the world - Chinese-made) is completely suppressed, and it is in all kinds of Africa and other Mumumbia.
  2. +4
    22 July 2014 08: 54
    Canada intends to oust Kalashnikov in the global market with CK901 and anti-Russian sanctions

    And what? Is Kalashnikov selling anything besides Saiga? How can one squeeze out what is not?
    1. +6
      22 July 2014 09: 00
      Quote: Nayhas
      And what? Is Kalashnikov selling anything besides Saiga? How can one squeeze out what is not?

      They are talking about the market of Eastern Europe and Asia. They hope that the local natives will abandon the "Kalash" in favor of their futuristic trick.
      1. +1
        22 July 2014 10: 33
        Quote: Bulls.
        They hope that the natives there will abandon the Kalash in favor of their futuristic gadget.

        Concern "Kalashnikov" has nothing to do with these consumers. There "Kalash" are either Chinese or from warehouses in Eastern Europe, or generally handicraft production.
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  5. +4
    22 July 2014 09: 18
    All this will be possible if this product will be sold in dozens, and preferably hundreds of thousands of trunks, and this is to support the pants and the way to declare themselves (well, arm a couple of units and inflate), the more the price will obviously be different than Kalashnikov’s, although it may be I am mistaken, and the Yemeni living standards have sharply increased. In the meantime, the reality is.
  6. +3
    22 July 2014 10: 15
    and after 15 thousand shots after replacing several barrels, it will fall apart on the thread or fall apart faster
  7. 0
    22 July 2014 10: 54
    Fools get richer in thought!
  8. +2
    22 July 2014 10: 56
    I do not care about their pipe and sanctions. The main thing is that we would have AK.
  9. +4
    22 July 2014 11: 11
    And in principle, Kalashnikov can rest on his laurels for as long as possible, it's time to come up with something fundamentally new and of the same high quality, and not just change the calibers and weigh it with planks, make it cumbersome and clinging to everything, in general, it's time to invent something new.
    1. 0
      22 July 2014 15: 44
      It is not the designers who "come up with", but the customers. They develop performance characteristics and announce a competition. Since the days of "Abakan" nothing intelligible from the Ministry of Defense has been announced, except for the insults of Serdyukov against the AK.
  10. 0
    22 July 2014 11: 53
    The news is so-so .. You can't beat the habit. The military in all countries is very conservative. If AK suits them and there is a lot of it in warehouses, they are unlikely to buy a new product. Another thing is that the Kalashnikov concern has not offered anything fundamentally new for a long time, since the AK of the 100th series is the same old Kalashnikov, only the accuracy and energy efficiency + picatinny bars have increased. That it is worth the same Izhmash to produce a batch of 100 Abakan submachine guns, which has been adopted by the Russian army since 1997, but never entered into wide circulation, and send it to the militia. Anyway, sanctions have already been introduced against them. Moreover, it is possible to organize a dummy company that will allegedly buy these machines from them, and to whom it sells it does not concern anyone. For one, they will run it in a combat situation, reveal all childhood diseases, listen to the opinion of the militia. They will finalize and release "service pack 2" laughing Why do Western companies can and do carry out such an aggressive marketing policy, and we can’t ?! Although knowing the inertia and nonsense of the people in the seats, who are satisfied with everything, it is not surprising.
    IMHO: I hope to see a new "Automatic" in the troops before the start of World War III .... am
    1. 0
      22 July 2014 17: 59
      Our arms concerns do not sell military weapons; they do not have such rights. They sell weapons to a state that sells them abroad ...
  11. -1
    22 July 2014 12: 25
    Another thing is that the Kalashnikov concern has not offered anything fundamentally new for a long time, since the AK 100 series is the same old Kalashnikov, only the accuracy and energy economy + picatinny bars have increased.
    It was as if the mattresses had come up with something fundamentally new. Their assault vehicles, starting with the M16 and ending with its many modifications, like garbage, remained garbage. It was not for nothing that their special forces in Iraq threw their assault forces and transferred to Kalashi.hi
    1. 0
      22 July 2014 22: 19
      http://onepamop.livejournal.com/961308.html
  12. +1
    22 July 2014 13: 12
    Quote: Venier
    . Not in vain, in Iraq, their special forces threw their attack and transferred to Kalash.

    When will the people learn to collect information first and then write on the forums ?!
    There was no such thing in Iraq and Afghanistan, individual episodes slipped through Vietnam, but even there it was far from widespread, so forget the clichés from the times of the USSR, modern weapons of the AR15 (M16) family are quite reliable units.
    Well, the presented SR47 reincarnation unit developed for special forces in the early 2000s and did not go into the series, it’s interesting to step on the same rake on horseradish, and what are they counting on?
    The gas vent remained classical Stonerovsky, respectively, and the sores SR47 did not disappear anywhere - due to the use of 7,62x39 (Soviet cartridges didn’t differ in the purity of the powder, and the rubbish that is used in different showers and packs generally smokes like a steam locomotive) very fast pollution of the whole system and small resource.
    1. 0
      22 July 2014 16: 00
      modern weapons of the AR15 (M16) family are a completely reliable unit.

      According to experts of the Central Research Institute of Tochmash (Klimovsk, Moscow Region), who are testing different weapons, ours and not ours, I personally heard from them at the training ground, M-16 - there is a cow dung, convenient, accurate, but NOT reliable! Roughly speaking, for a shooting gallery.
    2. -3
      22 July 2014 20: 50
      When will the people learn to collect information first and then write on the forums ?!
      Dear, teach your wife to cook cabbage soup.
      There wasn’t such a thing in Iraq and Afghanistan, separate episodes slipped through Vietnam, but even there it was far from mass character,
      Well, yes, the giraffe is big-oh-oh! He knows better.
      so forget the cliches of the times of the USSR,
      The puncher said.laughing
      1. 0
        24 July 2014 06: 50
        For all those who have minus pseudo-experts with great conceit, as well as for one dodger who poses as an expert and yells that this did not happen. I bring the info.
        According to Lieutenant Colonel Mark Young, commander of the 3rd battalion of the 4th Infantry Division of the US Army, the use of AK-47 assault rifles is due to the fact that the American contingent in Iraq lacks small arms of its own production. American soldiers of the rank and file and sergeant do not hide the fact that they are better suited for combat operations by a Soviet machine gun than M-16 and M-4 rifles. Americans in Iraq captured a huge amount of Soviet-made small arms as trophies. AK-47 assault rifles are more adapted for warfare in conditions of heat, sand and high humidity.
        This is so, for backfilling, if Che.
  13. 0
    22 July 2014 13: 29
    and who is stopping Kalashnikov from selling Baikal civilian weapons in the country of high elves
    1. 0
      22 July 2014 16: 02
      Baikal is a part of the Kalashnikov concern
    2. 0
      22 July 2014 18: 03
      Bill Clinton is in the way, which at one time banned the import of US civilian weapons into the United States.
  14. 0
    22 July 2014 15: 48
    Quote: bmv04636
    and who is stopping Kalashnikov from selling Baikal civilian weapons in the country of high elves

    The quality of this weapon under the brand name Baikal.
  15. AX
    -1
    22 July 2014 16: 29
    Yes nooo ..... they are fools ...
  16. +3
    22 July 2014 17: 04
    Quote: neri73-r
    According to experts of the Central Research Institute of Tochmash (Klimovsk, Moscow Region), who test different weapons, ours and not ours, I personally heard from them at the training ground, M-16 - there is a cow dung, convenient, accurate, but NOT reliable

    Stop driving the blizzard in the style of political management of the USSR Ministry of Defense, I've heard from a friend of the ufologist that Obama is a disguised Martian. The reliability of modern M16 is completely satisfied by the Pentagon, which has been constantly fighting in at least two countries at the same time for the last 30 years, and currently does not think it will be overloaded. There is quite a sufficient number of them located in Tsakhal, which is also constantly fighting and despite the fact that 40 years ago it adopted its version of Kalash - Galil, continues to purchase and use the m-series. Children's diseases M16 were cured long ago, but the myth remained, and only in the territory of the former USSR. Or do you think AK initially had fewer diseases? The AK reliability is true, the case is described when the machine gun fired with a shot sleeve in the receiver, it was smashed with a trigger, but it was discovered only during cleaning, only in what way was this super-reliability achieved? The momentum of a gas engine is several times higher than that required for recharging as a result of which the bolt frame hits the receiver in the rear position with force, which does not reduce the dispersion when firing in bursts, plus the fair weight of the bolt frame with a gas piston is also added here. Large gaps allow you to hammer on the dirt, but accuracy does not add. So everything is good in moderation, the M16 loses to AK in extreme sports such as falling onto concrete and moving with a tank, but wins in accuracy and dispersion in auto mode, definitely wins in ergonomics and practical rate of fire, and in reliability even in difficult conditions such as deserts Iraq or Israel, both models fully satisfy the military.
    1. padonok.71
      +5
      22 July 2014 20: 12
      Hello! Oh, I'll say it!
      With all comparisons of AK / Mseria, in no case should the following points be omitted. AK was invented for a supernumerous army of reservists, hence super-reliability, simplicity of design, maintenance, production. This is, first of all, the "gross" product for the "gross" army. The American girls took a different path. A bunch of rifle shooters. In their view, it is primarily a high-class instrument.
      And all the disputes of such a plan is a dispute that is better, Ford Focus or UAZ.
      1. 0
        23 July 2014 02: 18
        Quote: padonok.71
        Hello! Oh, I'll say it!
        With all comparisons of AK / Mseria, in no case should the following points be omitted. AK was invented for a supernumerous army of reservists, hence super-reliability, simplicity of design, maintenance, production. This is, first of all, the "gross" product for the "gross" army. The American girls took a different path. A bunch of rifle shooters. In their view, it is primarily a high-class instrument.
        And all the disputes of such a plan is a dispute that is better, Ford Focus or UAZ.
        Plus incredibly!
        I’ll add on my own that in real conditions, a maximum of a couple of fighters from the squad are aiming, the rest are shot in white light, like a pretty penny. (This, of course, for ordinary troops, the elite does not apply)
        What is more profitable in the light of this fact - let everyone decide for himself.
    2. 0
      22 July 2014 21: 16
      I saw a photo where the ak-74 cracked in the place where the bolt frame reaches its extreme position. I also read that in Afghanistan, due to firing in the heat, the receiver was curled up.
    3. 0
      22 July 2014 22: 36
      M16 loses to AK in extreme sports such as falling onto concrete and moving with a tank,
      What kind of sports is this? Did you come up with something yourself?
    4. +3
      23 July 2014 02: 13
      Quote: gross kaput
      Stop driving the blizzard in the style of political management of the USSR Ministry of Defense
      So immediately and the blizzard?
      I remember that in the shaggy 79th I had to participate in testing this device in the field, and even in the winter.
      We then killed this miracle of American design thought about 10 pieces, for which we were mercilessly beaten by the authorities. But with all our efforts to ditch Kalash, even Chinese-made we did not succeed.
      Of course, I understand that since then this miracle has changed a bit, but I doubt very much that the changes are cardinal.
      From personal impressions.
      Accurate machine, but very gentle.
      Disassemble at -30 and clean - a pleasure much lower than average. At the same temperature, the underload of the first cartridge is a 100% phenomenon, and if the store is warm, then the rammer is not able to send the cartridge until it cools down.
      After three stores, the trunk is in the snow, and only memories remain forever from accuracy - the trunk leads. With periodic use, condensation appears in the receiver and gas tube from somewhere, which freezes and the device becomes useless trash until you warm it up.
      In the summer tests did not participate.
    5. +2
      23 July 2014 13: 08
      Reconciliation AK takes place to be
      That is exactly what the point is.
      only in what way is this super-reliability achieved? The momentum of a gas engine is several times higher than that required for recharging as a result of which the bolt frame hits the receiver in the rear position with force, which does not reduce the dispersion when firing in bursts, plus the fair weight of the bolt frame with a gas piston is also added here.
      First you invent, design, an equally worthy weapon, and then you will be smart to criticize here.
      clearly wins in ergonomics and practical rate of fire
      It definitely doesn’t win. Some people like it, and one thing is convenient for someone else. In general, if you’re used to playing airsoft while running with your beloved M16, continue to run further. Just don’t make yourself an expert.
      1. 0
        23 July 2014 20: 46
        Business. I fully support. And regarding ergonomics and amenities: he, of course, did not hold this miracle of hostile equipment in his hands, but ...
        Looking at the photos I see solid ribs and grooves from the forearm to the back of the butt. ??? Have you sought to facilitate? Well done, only rubbish like dust, dirt, clay, dry leaves, twigs and other crap will gather in every groove and under each rib. But this, of course, if you crawl along the brilliant green and ravines with this karmultuk on your belly (and when with cancer). In the snow, again, it was good after a couple of stores were shot. Ribs! And so nothing! Probably for the gangster-Negro slaughter, that's it.
  17. +2
    22 July 2014 18: 29
    aha news from the category of those that type: the ukrop tank "stronghold" will overtake our T-90 in sales and our entire line of tanks .. fool dreaming is not harmful ... all beginners with ambitions of a planetary scale ... time will tell .. KALASHNIKOV is a time-tested brand ... and this corporation is just another distributor of pi.ndo.sssko.go AR-15 | 16.-dealer is easier saying ... they don’t have their own patented weapons line ... and they want to crush them with quantity ... China also massively produced our weapons ... however, they didn’t get super profits or popularity ... the result is a dog barking, a caravan goes on .. our Kalash will always find a buyer and owner.. laughing
  18. 0
    22 July 2014 19: 29
    Canadians Under the Chinese Mow))) Copy from the World On a Thread)))
  19. 0
    22 July 2014 21: 16
    I remember there was such an article by SR-47 under 7.62x39. It just could not stand the aluminum recoil box of the cartridge M43.
  20. +1
    22 July 2014 21: 42
    "Sanctions for the US and Canada are becoming a convenient mechanism for promoting goods without full-fledged competition." (!!!)
    No shit to themselves "become"! Yes, everything is intended for this !!!
  21. +2
    22 July 2014 21: 51
    Quote: el.krokodil
    However, I didn’t get superprofits and popularity

    Relax, just the same, China made a profit and received, unlike us, as in the days of the USSR AK was given away to best friends, they only had to mention the construction of light socialism, and in the days of the Russian Federation it turned out that everyone who is ready to pay real money is already buying weapons from the Chinese , Bulgarians of the South, etc. plus do not forget about the sale of the arsenals of "former friends in the socialist camp" who joined NATO, as a result, the import of our rifleman occupies a miniscule part of the international market.
    Quote: the47th
    It just could not stand the aluminum recoil box of the cartridge M43.

    Do you know why the ar-shaped receiver is aluminum? the fact is that, unlike Kalash, locking in the M-16 does not take place behind the receiver, but directly behind the barrel, respectively, the receiver is unloaded and can be made of aluminum, but the AR-10 and SR-25 are generally designed for 7,62x51 and neither why shoot so do not talk nonsense if you do not know.
  22. +1
    22 July 2014 21: 59
    Quote: emeldos2
    Canadians Under the Chinese Mow))) Copy from the World On a Thread)))

    Yes, they do not copy anything because Colt Canada is part of the Colt company, which is already the main manufacturer of emo cards.
  23. +2
    22 July 2014 22: 15
    For me personally, the fact of the unreliability of the entire M-16 family is the rammer on the right side of the receiver under the big pole, which indicates a fairly large number of delays in firing (missing a cartridge and locking the barrel bore with a bolt). The design itself is complex, and the idea of ​​automatic operation with a tap powder gases directly to the bolt carrier is not the most successful. The gas outlet tube of a complex configuration and small diameter. In general, the defects are known with reliability. And the reliability of the automation in battle (especially close) is a determining factor (primarily for your own survival). By the way, with regard to accuracy, in modern combat, on average, about a thousand rounds of ammunition are used to detonate the formation of one soldier (this is statistics). Therefore, the density of fire and the reliability of the weapon play a huge role. Well, there will be no time to clean the "trunk". I, of course, a small specialist in infantry small arms, unlike most members of the forum. I graduated "only" from the faculty of aviation armament of the VU. By the way, 16 hours are allotted to study the maintenance of the M-26, I was taught to serve the Kalash at school at the NVP in one lesson.
    1. 0
      22 July 2014 22: 17
      the rammer says that the bolt frame is not rigidly attached to the handle, as, for example, in the Kalash.
      1. +1
        22 July 2014 22: 43
        The rammer just indicates that the bolt frame does not reach the extreme forward position, the barrel does not lock (as one of the reasons is a strong powder deposit, even with good gunpowder during intensive shooting) .Pressing on the rammer (which rests on its teeth teeth of the bolt frame) with your thumb, the shooter sends the bolt frame to the extreme forward position, after which the barrel is locked and a shot can be fired. The rammer was made specifically when finalizing the rifle after Vietnam. otherwise (without a rammer) it is necessary to turn the shutter (it is not a fact that the analogous situation will not repeat with the next cartridge), which is not very convenient on the M-16, unlike a Kalash (where you can also send the shutter frame by the handle or turn it over, the benefit is returnable spring is more powerful)
        1. 0
          22 July 2014 22: 47
          in Kalash, the shutter can also be missed, and they send it with the handle of the shutter frame, and in ar-15 this is done by the rammer, because the shutter frame is not desto adhered to cocking handle
  24. 0
    22 July 2014 22: 17
    Quote: padonok.71
    Hello! Oh, I'll say it!

    He’s healthy, at least someone who appeared in the subject, or some virtual weapon lovers with judgments in the form of a mixture of articles from a young technician and computer toys.
    1. padonok.71
      +1
      22 July 2014 22: 56
      Have a nice one you too.
      What is it? Where does such a mentor tone come from? Be more condescending.
      And about AK vs M / AR - well, zadolb..lo already. Truth. Almost comes to a fight. And laughter and sin. The men will converge (with degrees, and with ranks, experience), they crave for a cup and rush - accuracy! There is no reliability !, right now I will paint the balistic!, But I had a case! ... after 5-25 muzzles go to each other beat. Especially funny when the Vedas. Ing. (199 height, 55 weight), shouts to the military representative (172 height, 95 weight, CCM boxing) - come here! I'll tear it!
      Personally, I prefer the usual 74th. In my opinion - the pinnacle of evolution.
  25. +2
    22 July 2014 22: 40
    Quote: basmach
    For me personally, the fact of unreliability of the entire M-16 family is a rammer on the right side of the receiver

    I’ll upset you a little if the chamber is filled with shit, then the shutter is equally short of that in the AK that is in M16, but in the AK you can cover it by scoring the handle in the arch, the handle does not have a rigid connection, for this, at the insistence of the military, even before the M-16 was adopted army, (and on top of that, according to the results of tests in the Air Force in the AR-15, 130 changes were made), and a rammer appeared so that it has little to do with the topic of reliability. It’s not worth sending the bulk of the unsubscribed to smart books - because they won’t read it anyway, the main problems of the early AP15s were related to the quality of the powder and capsules - because of the poor composition of the powder, calcium carbonate was deposited in the gas pipe and it quickly grew mid-70s, all problems associated with cartridges were resolved. Another sore spot was the shops but so far they have been resolved.
    Receivers, barrels, bolts were gradually modernized and by now the unit has become quite reliable if you do not feed it with shit and do not use shit shops.
    PS I am not a big fan, as many probably thought, ar-15, I just got enough that in every topic, at least sideways concerning the M-16, there are people who still hardly distinguish AK from STG44, but all the same they immediately start comparing Mku with AK and yell how wretched and unreliable she is. Personally, I had a chance to shoot from it a couple of times, and the second time they shot from the Kolt arch, bought back in the mid-90s in the "defense" and had time to go through a lot in 10 years, they shot our Barnaul with a steel sleeve and our "purest" gunpowder, and despite the fact that the chamber was designed for a brass sleeve ate 300 pieces without ever choking but the truth was shit then inside.
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    2. -1
      22 July 2014 23: 07
      Apparently, you read a lot of smart books, but here's what you got. The problem is precisely the kinematics work. In the case of the M-16, powder gases are introduced into the receiver. As a result of this (no matter what good gunpowder), intense firing will form on the parts of the bolt group and in the gas exhaust pipe. It starts to interfere (due to a weaker return spring) reach the bolt with the frame to the extreme point. And for this purpose a rammer is made, it has no other function. To make the meaning more clear, I will give an example. In our regiment on the Su-17, on the HP-30 gun, a shell was missed out into the chamber (literally a couple of mm). After landing at the control post, a control bar was inserted to prevent a shot. In the parking lot, the gunsmith took out the bar, the projectile was sent and a shot was fired (although theoretically, this should not be). It is certainly not quite on the topic, but at least a little illustrates the problem has not been sent. By the way, if the chamber is clogged with shit, then in the Kalash you will not send the bolt, so it’s very unsuccessful. And by the way, the return spring enters the neck of the butt, then it oslablyaet.A in battle and have to fall, tumble and be an acrobat if hocheshb survive.
      1. +1
        22 July 2014 23: 25
        Once again I explain this detail appeared at the insistence of the military after the tests of 1963, the claim was precisely that in M14 and in the M1 carbine according to the charter of FM 23-5 in the event of a shutter not closing, it was proved by a blow of the hand on the loading handle and in m 16 this could not be done due to design. So the main reason is the requirement of the military to provide the ability to close the bolt, not because the kinematics of the rifle is vicious, but because it should be provided - is the idea clear? and then in the evening the brains are already turning with a creak.
        1. padonok.71
          0
          22 July 2014 23: 37
          Yes confirm. I saw that the mariners after the platoon, slam the rammer, on the "machine". I asked the translator (Russian American) - hua? Answered - so they teach.
          But "misdirections", for the sake of justice, are also frequent.
        2. 0
          23 July 2014 19: 03
          You’re already trying to give out an investigation for the reason. To start, try to answer the question why the shutter doesn’t reach the extreme forward position and the trunk channel is not locked. Only when you understand this reason, then, like the army team, do you realize the need for a rammer. But they then understood the reason and their demand is just a consequence. And as for the brains, I already noticed that I graduated from the faculty of aircraft armament, so that I understand the principles of the operation of the receiver systems a little .., and my knowledge is not from the net.
      2. 0
        23 July 2014 09: 51
        It is not only carbon that interferes. With the stop of the bottom of the sleeve in the mirror of the shutter, it is additionally necessary to overcome the rotation of the ejector spring. But she is not weak. And this force arises when the return spring has already practically worked out. That is, at the moment when the return spring has a minimum power, it must overcome the resistance of pollution on the shutter, the ejector springs and even turn the shutter. The rotation of the shutter is possible only if the cartridge has already rested against the ramp in the chamber and the mirror clearance is selected. So if the soot gets on the shutter mirror or in the ramp, a fraction of a millimeter of this soot is enough to prevent locking.

        In AK everything is different. The ejector is missing. Instead, a reflector. In addition, when locking, the reverse circuit works of the "liner striking" operation. Due to the large angle of rotation of the bolt and the bevel of the lugs, the last millimeter of movement of the cartridge in the chamber occurs not due to the forward movement of the bolt carrier, but due to the rotation of the bolt. At the same time, the mirror gap is selected. In this case, the effort on the cartridge increases significantly. Therefore, you need to try very hard so that the shutter in the AK does not close due to dirt.
  26. 0
    22 July 2014 22: 59
    The Germans have already made almost the ideal KhK416, but no bourgeoisie everyone is trying to beat each other ...
  27. 0
    22 July 2014 23: 31
    Quote: padonok.71
    Personally, I prefer the usual 74th. In my opinion - the pinnacle of evolution.

    Well, where is she, the peak is not yet known, but it’s better to replace 74M and replace the fore-end on the trees.
    In general, it would be interesting to look at a hundredth under the grendel, in my opinion, a promising cartridge, the hammer at one time threatened to re-SCS under it, but that did not work out.
    1. padonok.71
      0
      23 July 2014 00: 00
      No, I’m just old, plywood.
      But weaving ... like something like that ... uh and it’s not important grendel, natashka 5, 7, anyway uh.
      SCS in general, only to dissect Kremlin sharkuns. At one time I hunted with him, but .... Moveton, in a word.
  28. 0
    23 July 2014 12: 40
    Quote: Venier
    What kind of sports is this? Did you come up with something yourself?

    When there is nothing to say on the topic, people often begin to be rude, I explain it specifically for boors - in the USSR / RF the most severe conditions for shooting tests are often the chance of repeating such experiments in real life is negligible, but if you don’t understand the sense of humor, I have absolutely nothing to do with it.
    Quote: padonok.71
    At one time I hunted with him, but .... Moveton, in a word.

    As a combat yes, it’s already outdated a long time ago, I can’t say much about the hunting opportunities because I’m not a hunter, I shoot more of it myself, I like it, I don’t know what kind of charisma it has in it. Well, by the way, I and I were lucky to buy it with SCS from a person who purchased it in the early 90s even from warehouses without fucking alteration in the OP / SCS, the trunk was completely unshared, went over the USM (by the way, I was convinced that the legend about super quality in the time of IV was somewhat exaggerated) Yes, I replaced firewood, as a result, a handful is quite decent.
    Quote: padonok.71
    grendel,

    Duc here the question is not in a hundred or SCS, namely in a cartridge, the cartridge is quite promising, it is clear that no one will accept it for service, but for the "private" sector it would be interesting, you see, the export attractiveness of Izhmash and Molotov products in foreign civil markets has grown ...
    1. -1
      23 July 2014 13: 40
      When there is nothing to say on the topic, people often begin to be rude, I explain specifically for boors
      I can not only answer on the topic, I can also enter.
  29. 0
    23 July 2014 13: 46
    Quote: Venier
    I can not only answer on the topic, I can also enter.

    I’m saying the usual hamlo - judging by the previous posts of knowledge, zero, education is absent and the usual ambition is higher than the Pamir.
    1. 0
      23 July 2014 14: 03
      And you don’t get puffed up, I’ll drum your judgments. I won’t even say who you are.
      1. 0
        23 July 2014 14: 17
        Quote: Venier
        . And you will snap back, upset to the impossibility.

        Come on, but you bet you won’t fight?
        1. 0
          23 July 2014 14: 34
          Well, I’m generally a kind guy. And kind from the fact that he’s strong. Therefore, I don’t get into a fight first. But I can put all sorts of presumptuous types in place.
  30. 0
    23 July 2014 14: 21
    Quote: Venier
    And then let's see how cultural and well-educated you are.

    Troll get out of where you got out
    1. 0
      23 July 2014 14: 52
      Yapping, yapping pug, while there is an opportunity. But if you turn up, do not be angry, I will crush.
      1. padonok.71
        0
        23 July 2014 18: 58
        He endured for a long time, reading your kalyaks, but could not bear it and I will say. You are not behaving correctly. Really can do something - do it! And so here to rush words - it’s babesky. Usually so zadr..o..y pimple behave.
        PS: I didn’t mean to offend you, but your behavior ...
        1. 0
          23 July 2014 19: 41
          Oh! I watch a goblin dice draw. I also do not want to offend, but this is a fact.
          1. 0
            23 July 2014 20: 51
            You are not behaving correctly.
            And why are you so right? Although I guess the dyke, you are running into this dodger, because he praised you, like you are also in the topic. Two such experts, and the rest as he said: virtual gun lovers with judgments in the form of a mixture of articles from a young technique and computer toys. Yes, arrogance is simply unmeasured! R.S. I speak in this tone because I don’t want to talk to people like you differently.
        2. 0
          23 July 2014 21: 09
          Really can do something - do it!
          But one must be more careful with provocations, they can really do it.
          And so here to rush words - it’s babesky.
          So, don’t be a woman, don’t be a gundi, don’t get in where they don’t ask. And you’ll notice, the first one got in, got it, was rude, and you’re still talking about the correct behavior.
          Long endured reading your pegs,
          Do not you think that your writings are a masterpiece? You are far from a literary style.
  31. -1
    23 July 2014 15: 02
    Do you have something to say on the topic? judging by the posts no, but to say what you want, right?
    Go back to the political sections, there you can only learn slogans by learning slogans, and you already got me so that you are a clown to ignore.
    1. padonok.71
      0
      23 July 2014 19: 02
      You know how the Greeks spoke. If your opponent slips into personal insults in a dispute - he lost.
      1. 0
        23 July 2014 19: 48
        That's right! You already lost.
  32. padonok.71
    0
    23 July 2014 15: 03
    Our factories simply cannot (or do not want) to produce competitive weapons. Look at the export weave, under natashka. Just give up and shame. Nobody like this (even under a grendel), in the same America, will not buy. Especially in the presence of AR-shaped, under this cartridge. And civil ARs "lick" there. The same "academicians" (from "muddy water"), after all, they simply do not need the parameters at which AKseria "moves".
    And directly on the grendel - also a controversial patron.
    1. 0
      23 July 2014 16: 43
      And why do something when money from the budget themselves goes.
    2. Victor-cort
      0
      10 August 2014 14: 37
      Quote: padonok.71
      Our factories simply cannot (or do not want to) produce competitive weapons.

      AK and the Makarovs at Izhmeh are now being assembled from Chinese components, production is almost dead
  33. 0
    23 July 2014 17: 49
    Quote: nekish
    And directly on the grendel - also a controversial patron.

    So what kind of cartridge is not "controversial", any of those adopted for service has its drawbacks - the ideal is simply not physically achievable, but you must admit that the cartridge is interesting.
    1. padonok.71
      0
      23 July 2014 18: 44
      He's interesting, interesting. But still more probably for specialists. And for "mabuta" it is superfluous, and in some moments even harmful. And the Americans, too, since the 90s, were included in the nomenclature to a limited extent - that's all. And you shouldn't forget about the economy either.
      And one moment. He shot at Tula and Aleksandrovsky. As always, they could not even copy. I understand you don't have a "western", but at least squeeze your neck like a human! The bullet then falls out, then with the "skirt" leaves. And this is a small series. Shame!
  34. 0
    23 July 2014 18: 57
    Quote: padonok.71
    He's interesting, interesting. But still more probably for specialists. And for "mabuta" it is unnecessary, and in some moments even harmful

    Well, so no one talks about replacing / re-shooting the arrows under it - no army of the world in a sober mind and good memory will take such an adventure, remember the ordeal of mattresses with OICW? at first they abandoned the grenade launcher module, leaving only the XM8 and then abandoned it, saying that until something radically cooler than the M4 / m16 appears, changing them is not economically feasible.
  35. 0
    23 July 2014 20: 33
    Do you have something to say on the topic? judging by the posts no, but to say what you want, right?
    Go back to the political sections, there you can only learn slogans by learning slogans, and you already got me so that you are a clown to ignore.
    Firstly: I told you the bag, I’d drum your opinions. Secondly: where should I go and what to do, it’s not your business, drift. Thirdly: if it weren’t online, I would have taught you how to talk, and I would have been knocked down by arrogance.
  36. waggish
    0
    2 August 2014 17: 25
    Correctly doing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  37. wanderer_032
    0
    10 August 2014 11: 33
    I read the comments and immediately the question arose ...
    Do you even care about this people? What do you care what they shoot in Yemen?
    Do you even know where this country is?
    How much does Yemen buy small arms? Is this the market for which our "Rosoboronexport" should tear its ass?
    They don’t want our AKs in Yemen. Not a great loss.
    Let them torment themselves with all sorts of Si-Kei and etc. junk, then all the same they will want to return the AK, because there are no analogues against AK in terms of reliability and simplicity.

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