Military Review

10 questions to Kiev from the Russian Ministry of Defense regarding the downed Boeing remain unanswered

255
10 questions to Kiev from the Russian Ministry of Defense regarding the downed Boeing remain unansweredOn the eve of the Deputy Minister of Defense Anatoly Antonov made a proposal in relation to Kiev. This proposal addresses the need to answer 10 questions that have been formulated by the main defense department of the Russian Federation. We present these questions, called Anatoly Antonov simple (on materials "Vesti-24"):

1. The authorities of Ukraine identified the perpetrators of the tragedy instantly. Of course, in their opinion, this is the militia. What is the basis of these findings?

2. Can official Kiev give all the details of the use of the Buk systems in the area of ​​hostilities, and most importantly: why are these systems deployed there, if the militias do not have airplanes?

3. What are the reasons for the inaction of the Ukrainian authorities to form an international commission, and when will this international commission take action? This is waiting for the entire international community.

4. Are the representatives of the Ukrainian Armed Forces ready to submit to the international experts documents on the registration of air-to-air and ground-to-air missiles in SAM missiles?

5. Will the data of objective control on the movement of aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force on the day of the tragedy be presented to the international commission?

6. Why did the Ukrainian dispatchers allowed the aircraft to deviate to the north, in the direction of the zone of the so-called anti-terrorist operation, which is conducted by official Kiev against the people of the south-east of their country?

7. Why was the airspace above the combat zone not completely closed to civilian aircraft? Especially since in this area there was no solid field of radar navigation aids?

8. Can the official Kiev today comment on the message in social networks allegedly from a Spanish dispatcher working in Ukraine that two military Ukrainian planes accompanied a “Boeing” shot down over the territory of Ukraine?

9. Why did the Security Service of Ukraine start working with the records of negotiations between Ukrainian dispatchers and the crew of the Boeing and with the data of Ukrainian radars without international representatives?

10. How were the lessons of the previous similar catastrophe of the Russian Tu-154 in 2001 over the Black Sea taken into account? Then, the leadership of Ukraine, until the last minute, denied the involvement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this tragedy, and only after we presented irrefutable facts, we proved who the real culprit of that tragedy was.




In Kiev, they have already announced that they are not going to answer questions from a representative of a foreign ministry of defense. Do I need to understand that when Kiev answers the questions of American military officials and politicians, he does not consider them foreign?
255 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. snifer
    snifer 20 July 2014 09: 59
    +78
    And ours are seriously waiting for an answer ?? naive, just like girls.
    1. baluru72
      baluru72 20 July 2014 10: 02
      +11
      Now they will traditionally say that he self-exploded ...
      1. jovanni
        jovanni 20 July 2014 10: 16
        +30
        No! Here they will blame the militias and Russia. Moreover, sheshea will immediately support (already support) this alignment. And behind them amicably and all the mongrels will begin to bark at us habitually. The truth here is of no interest to anyone. Is that Malaysia will try to try to figure it out. Well, at least at first ...
        1. herruvim
          herruvim 20 July 2014 10: 35
          +28
          A specialist from Spain claims that a few minutes before the disaster, he saw two military fighters belonging to the Ukrainian troops near the Boeing. On social networks, an air traffic controller’s Twitter text is being actively distributed: “In Kiev, the control tower was again seized. The plane was shot down, this is not an accident. This plane crash is not quite ordinary. We are being threatened in the control room. Before they took the phones from us or they beat my head, he was hit by Kiev. ”He emphasized that the radars clearly recorded the events in the sky, so it would be easy to prove the guilt of the Ukrainian authorities if the materials were processed by an independent commission. “For the incredulous: the radars all spotted. The plane was shot down by Kiev. We all know this and the military too. Fighters flew after the plane, and in just three minutes it disappeared, ”the air traffic controller added.
          Messages from Twitter of the Spanish dispatcher:

          1: Air crash, a passenger plane crashed in Ukraine, near Donetsk
          2: Plane crash, 777 plane, in the zone of Donetsk
          3: B 777 Malaysia Airlines crashed in Ukraine, on the border with Russia
          4: B 777 Malaysia Airlines 280 passengers. Crashed in Donetsk Ukraine.
          5: Kiev authorities are trying to make it look like an attack by pro-Russian militias
          6: ATTENTION! Perhaps the B 777 in Ukraine was shot down. 280 Passengers
          7: THIS IS SO! It seems that Kiev achieved what he wanted.
          8: In Kiev again captured the control tower
          9: Confirmed: Aircraft B 777 disappeared on the radar, there were no reports of any anomalies.
          10: The plane was shot down, this is not an accident 11: Kiev achieved what he wanted. I already mentioned this in previous tweets
          12: This plane crash is not quite ordinary. We are being threatened in the control room.
          13: Phones will be taken from us at any time
          14: Before they take the phones from us, or they beat my head, he was hit by Kiev
          15: We have confirmation. The plane is shot down. Kiev authorities already have information. Shot down. Now we are calm.
          16: What are the foreign employees doing in the control tower? Gather information.
          17: When the opportunity arises, I will continue to write.
          18: The B 777 aircraft flew escorted by two Ukrainian fighters, just before it disappeared from the radar.
          19: If the Kiev authorities want to tell the truth, two fighters flew nearby several minutes before, the fighter did not hit him.
          20: Immediately after B 777 disappeared, the Kiev military reported a fall. How did they know that?
          21: In 7: 00 they reported the downing of the aircraft, a little later they captured our control room. Foreigners are still here.
          22: For the incredulous. Radars all spotted. The plane was shot down by Kiev. We all know this and the military too.
          23: Here, the military acknowledges that other soldiers could have done this, but do not know who ordered it.
          24: The military confirms that Ukraine did this. But they don’t know where the order came from.
          25: A few days ago I said that the military wanted to remove Poroshenko. Perhaps this is so, but orders Tymoshenko.
          26: Fighters flew over the plane, and after only 3 minutes he disappeared. Total 3.
          27: Close the airspace.
          1. Himalayan
            Himalayan 20 July 2014 10: 45
            +42
            They write that this Spanish dispatcher has disappeared.
            -
            If this is so, then it is a pity for a man who became an unwitting witness to a crime of a global scale, who did not read books and did not watch films, from which there is only one conclusion - in order to save one's life one must flee! Run to the side for which this tragedy is the least profitable
            1. Himalayan
              Himalayan 20 July 2014 10: 54
              +9
              We saved screenshots of messages of this dispatcher, we need to upload them and distribute them as much as possible.
              -
              And now ... Attention !
              So, jokes aside! According to the information available to the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, the leader of the Radical Party, Oleg Lyashko, Ukrainians are a nation of “prince-conquerors”. Lyashko announced this on Friday, July 18, on a page on the Facebook social network. In addition, the main Ukrainian radical noted, this nation, to which he relates himself, is also a nation of revolutionaries, partisans and Cossacks. Lyashko’s commentary concerned the outbreak of World War III, which, according to the parliamentarian, has already begun. Moreover, he pointed out, it began on the territory of Ukraine. “I don’t know why the story is so cruel to our people. Perhaps because we are strong - a nation of conquering princes, Cossacks, partisans and revolutionaries, ”the politician said. “I believe that when peace finally comes, our state, where a strong people will become the strongest in the world,” summed up Lyashko.
              1. Himalayan
                Himalayan 20 July 2014 11: 12
                +58
                To our diplomats, note ...
                1. The comment was deleted.
                  1. Himalayan
                    Himalayan 20 July 2014 12: 13
                    +12
                    hi

                    ... ethnic Russian rebels ...


                    belay - Is it like that? -Ethnic rebels of Russia
                    1. Rus2012
                      Rus2012 20 July 2014 12: 26
                      +8
                      Quote: Himalayan
                      Ethnic rebels of Russia

                      grimaces of translation ... fellow
                      Russian, he is Russian, regardless of citizenship or different passports ...
                      And where the three Russians are going, Russia’s homeland is there! laughing
                      Foreigners cannot understand ... But this is for the better ... For them ... laughing
                      1. Himalayan
                        Himalayan 20 July 2014 12: 35
                        +11
                        Here is a quote comment on the news, without a link
                        Today, the shelling of the refinery continued ... a large group of armored vehicles was stopped at its borders. A tank, an infantry fighting vehicle and two trucks with ammunition for the GRAD installation were destroyed ... For the Ukrainian army, these are small losses, which they will not even talk about. We lost the guys today, as never ...
                        Show in full .. Fighters did not step back from their fortified area a single step back! They stood to the last, but they didn’t let a column of tanks pass. With the weapons that we have ... they could only die. Out of ten RPGs, only three worked !!! Nothing else can we oppose to the tanks! Where are the columns that go to Lugansk, to Donetsk ??? Where is the artillery about which they write so much fun on the Internet ??? Where are those tanks with videos that are full of Internet communities? Where is all this? Whose asses is protected by all this technique ??? Today I lost almost a whole platoon .... the guys just crushed tanks. We were not even allowed to collect the bodies, and the wounded - they were finished off by the National Guard. After that, I myself am half dead. But I swear! If I stay alive, I will make those who PR at this war and build their political future kneel before their graves! I will make those who earn the lives of children who die for the truth suffer!
                        BRAIN ALEXEI
                      2. Rock2
                        Rock2 21 July 2014 09: 45
                        0
                        Why didn't RPGs work again ("Flies" as I understand it)? What does the counterintelligence say about this?
                    2. Skif83
                      Skif83 20 July 2014 18: 49
                      +2
                      Well, this is the same as "little dove" Lyashko - the prince.
                2. lukewarm
                  lukewarm 21 July 2014 10: 18
                  0
                  It does not seem. Their "values" attract this type of "people". It's not even about big politicians and leaders here. At the everyday level, whatever the scum so supports the liberals.
              2. MarKon
                MarKon 20 July 2014 11: 18
                +15
                Nation of traitors
                1. Himalayan
                  Himalayan 20 July 2014 11: 26
                  +21
                  Do not write uninformative comments - do not litter the branches! There is a war! Do not play on hand am ...
                  -
                  Putin's problem in the fact that he was counting on fair play, and at the moment when he was taking judo, he got the balls, another problem is that the judges are not going to notice this and will say that everything is according to the rules or more, they will fix that he violated the rules he himself.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 11: 27
                    +23
                    Quote: Himalayan
                    Putin’s problem is that he was counting on fair play,

                    Yeah, right, Putin is such a naive boy.
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 20 July 2014 13: 34
                      +7
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Yeah, right, Putin is such a naive boy.


                      Sanya. Worse .. much worse and all this .. very sad, unfortunately! soldier
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 13: 43
                        +9
                        Quote: vaf
                        Sanya. Worse .. much worse and all this .. very sad, unfortunately

                        Do not bribe Seryoga, all this will end with a great warrior. Because enjoying the last months of peacetime recourse
                        Humor may not be appropriate, but we see such a fate request
                        Hi hi
                      2. VAF
                        VAF 20 July 2014 13: 52
                        +9
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Do not bzdy Seryoga, all this will end with a big warrior


                        Sanya ... when we were afraid ... wink Moreover, I restored my skills on a "business trip" wink

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        .Because enjoying the last months of peace


                        You won’t believe it, but the most important thing for me is to wait until IGS, as it was voiced in our dispute on July 10 .. will change his nickname to 3,14 *****.
                        Damn .. the goal in life set myself wassat
                        And then there will be a request from all minussatykh. Who supported him in our "dispute-shit" to highlight the same thing .. that the people would know .. "who is HU" really.
                        Well, for prevention, it is very useful .. from now on they will know ... where and how to grind your tongue !!! soldier
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 14: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: vaf
                        Moreover, I restored my skills on a "business trip"

                        You can fuck you, well .... by chance winked
                        Quote: vaf
                        You won’t believe it, but the most important thing for me is to wait until IGS, as was announced in our dispute on July 10 .. changes its nickname to 3,14 *****.

                        Smirnov banned, for only one request for a change laughing
                        Quote: vaf
                        And then there will be a request from all minussatykh. Who supported him in our "dispute-shit" to highlight the same thing .. that the people would know .. "who is HU" really.

                        Yes, easy, but soon August, a hot month for Russia recourse
                      4. VAF
                        VAF 20 July 2014 14: 14
                        +4
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        You can fuck you, well .... by chance


                        Not Sanya ... we have people like me .. "they no longer take in .. astronauts" crying medicine + age = "come on .. goodbye" recourse

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Smirnov banned, for only one request for a change


                        But what about the "dispute" and my demand for satisfaction to this "graduate of Baumanka" recourse

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Yes, easy, but soon August, a hot month for Russia


                        It will be. But according to my estimates .. closer to the fall! soldier
                        One hope for:
                        1. The economic explosion in Ukraine.
                        2. The beginning of restitution.
                      5. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 14: 30
                        +10
                        Quote: vaf
                        It will be. But according to my estimates .. closer to the fall!

                        I was also in the fall, although I was originally in the spring, then Baltika 18 said that most likely autumn.
                        They will not give Ukraine away about the economy without warriors. We will also be to blame for the economy. Yes, there isn’t enough Boeing, they will blow up nuclear power plants and blame us. Such a lie I have not seen, even under Bush.
                    2. Baloo
                      Baloo 20 July 2014 22: 37
                      +1
                      He forces the enemy to play by the rules, pulls banderlogs on the tatami, i.e. legal field.
                  2. Vitaly72
                    Vitaly72 20 July 2014 14: 21
                    +1
                    in order to get through the balls, you have to have them
              3. severniy
                severniy 20 July 2014 12: 53
                0
                just wondering how homosexuals breed ???
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 13: 22
                  +6
                  Quote: severniy
                  just wondering how homosexuals breed ???

                  Very interesting?
                2. svp67
                  svp67 20 July 2014 15: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: severniy
                  and how homosexuals multiply ???
                  Budding ...
                  1. lukewarm
                    lukewarm 21 July 2014 10: 22
                    +1
                    Not by budding, but by RIP. Liberally so multiply.
              4. AQUARIUS 65
                AQUARIUS 65 20 July 2014 13: 20
                +6
                “I don’t know why the story is so cruel to our people. Perhaps because we are strong - a nation of conquering princes, Cossacks, partisans and revolutionaries, ”the politician said. “I believe that when peace finally comes, our state, where a strong people will become the strongest in the world,” summed up Lyashko.

                I also don't know why history treated the Ukrainian people so cruelly, giving them such "heroes" as Mazepa, Petliura, Bandera, Shukhevych ... who did a lot to raise such "revolutionaries" as Sashko Bilyi, Lyashko and like them, capable of fighting with their own people. The ancient Chinese philosopher Lao Tzu believed that "humiliating people, to exalt oneself is a disease. ... Using power, to do arbitrariness is a disease. Denying others, to assert oneself is a disease. To offend the lonely and weak, and carelessly treat them is a disease . " So Lyashko is very sick, and they do not take offense at the sick. They need to be treated. In what way is another question.
              5. 1812 1945
                1812 1945 20 July 2014 16: 13
                +3
                Quote: Himalayan
                “I believe that when peace finally comes, our state, where a strong people will become the strongest in the world,” summed up Lyashko.

                Lyashko is unlikely to believe in the truth, but Moscow must believe: without the complete physical destruction of the "nutrient medium" for what came to power on the sheltered land (bl.i. pulls from the word "Ukraine"), which supports this power - "a nation of princes-conquerors, Cossacks, partisans and revolutionaries" (you need to get them in Canada and the USA ...) - the victory will be only temporary. Normal people on these Russian Lands (!) Will live in peace and happily in the One Russian World.
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 20 July 2014 18: 43
              +1
              Escaping to another country is not so easy. He is not a pro.
            3. Nina Zima
              Nina Zima 20 July 2014 21: 29
              +1
              so where to run? he immediately said these words: The Spanish air traffic controller, who works in Kiev, tweeted:

              "Before they take away our phones or smash my head, HE WAS KNOWN BY KIEV"
              then I knew about the consequences ... a real kid ... if he is alive, I shake his hand !!!
          2. cosmos111
            cosmos111 20 July 2014 12: 37
            +13
            Quote: herruvim
            10 questions to Kiev from the Russian Ministry of Defense regarding the downed Boeing remain unanswered


            WHO KILLED THE VOING AND IT IS UNDERSTANDED by the CIA, with its accomplices dill .....
            I have 10 questions to the Russian Ministry of Defense ....

            1. WHEN NON-PERFORMANCE SUPPLIES WILL BE POSTPONED TO DUAL AND LNR, AMMUNITION AND WEAPONS IN SUFFICIENT AMOUNT ...
            2. WHEN FINALLY SENT EXPERIENCED INSTRUCTORS WILL BE FOR PLANNING OF OPERATIONS AND THEIR ANALYSIS.
            3. WHEN A NORMAL LOGISTIC IS OPENED, A DELIVERY OPERATION IN THE DNI AND LNR OF ALL NECESSARY.
            4. WHEN OUR ARMS WILL FINALLY RESPOND TO SHOTS of the Urinovsky troops (((the Russian checkpoint Gukovo is again shot today))) and not one of ukrov did not answer ..... but so on .....

            And SO, WE SEE SIMPLY THE AGINITY OF THE DNI AND THE LPR, BECAUSE TO OPPOSE THE URINO .. THE ARMIES THEY SIMPLY DO NOT PHYSICALLY !!!

            Moreover, civilians die every day ... only in Lugask on July 15-19, more than 70 dead and more than 200 wounded, not even everyone was found under the rubble .... I do not want to think that all these victims were in vain ......
            here is the site of the Lugansk state administration ..:
            website: gorod.lugansk.ua ...
            1. mamont5
              mamont5 20 July 2014 18: 12
              +4
              Quote: cosmos111
              I have 10 questions to the Russian Ministry of Defense ....


              This is not for them. The military will do everything right, if there is an order. And the order ... This is politics.
          3. The Pindos Enemy
            The Pindos Enemy 20 July 2014 12: 46
            0
            They say that this is a patient from the ward number 6 wrote
          4. herruvim
            herruvim 20 July 2014 17: 45
            +3
            The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation recorded the work of the Ukrainian radar on the day of the crash of the Malaysian plane and calculated the settlements of Ukraine, where they could bring down the liner, the press service of the department said.
            As the ministry clarified, the plane's route and the place of its fall fall into the affected area of ​​two Ukrainian batteries of a long-range anti-aircraft missile system and three batteries of a Buk-M1 medium-range air defense system.
            "During July 17, Russian radio equipment recorded the operation of the Kupol radar station of the Buk-M1 battery stationed in the area of ​​the settlement of Styla (30 kilometers south of Donetsk)," the message says.
            Buk anti-aircraft missile system. Archive photo
            © Photo: Yuriy Lapitskiy
            Characteristics of the Buk anti-aircraft missile system
            "At the same time, the technical features of the Buk-M1 allow the exchange of information on air targets between the batteries of the same battalion. Thus, the launch of the missiles could also be carried out from all batteries deployed in the village of Avdeevka (8 kilometers north of Donetsk) or Gruzsko-Zoryanskoe (25 kilometers east of Donetsk), "the Russian Defense Ministry points out.
          5. Baloo
            Baloo 20 July 2014 22: 35
            +3
            Respect to Stirlitz whether he is ours or Ukrainian, respect to the parents of the "Spaniard". Respect to those who, almost 12 hours before the tragedy, posted a post on the ukrops website: something must happen in the sky over Donetsk.
            There is no doubt that the Boeing is shot down by an air-to-air missile. While it is unclear, were the merikashki in the know or not? But the cries of the banderlogs: give us high-precision weapons and on the other side, we will render military assistance to the Ukrainians, suggesting a coincidence. Although did Macaque Obama himself know that this event would happen
            Judging by the TV:
            - in reality, 2 witnesses confirm that they saw 2 planes in the sky, while they do not talk about the inversion trail, if it were a ground-to-air missile;
            footprints on the wing;
            -military aircraft ukrogadov in the area of ​​work of experts in order to exert pressure;
            -strange evasion of interested countries in the work of the commission;
            - Why do not we see relatives of the victims and interviews with them?
            -What is the story with 10 passengers who had tickets for already purchased seats?
          6. Rock2
            Rock2 21 July 2014 09: 35
            0
            As proof. This morning Rossiya24 showed a local peasant who told the reporter: "I was standing here, at this place ... a civilian plane was already falling in that direction (indicated with his hand), and a fighter (?) Flew out of the clouds and flew there (indicated with his hand) ... "
            Maybe the investigation recorded his testimony ...
        2. KostA_RikA
          KostA_RikA 20 July 2014 12: 38
          +4
          How am I tired of all this, the same thing every time, have our officials really learned nothing ?!
          Some questions to which, of course, no one will answer.

          PS: honestly, I don’t know what I would do in Putin’s place. I do not envy him.
          1. RONIN-HS
            RONIN-HS 20 July 2014 13: 28
            +5
            ... PS: honestly, I don’t know what I would do in Putin’s place. I do not envy him. No.

            what KostaRika, and him (Putin) that, FORCEDLY IN THE CHAIR ... He has something: a small salary, staff cuts, taxes seized him and checking ... ??? sad
            What interferes with him ... ??? feel
            1. wolk71
              wolk71 20 July 2014 16: 50
              +6
              But it seems to me that Putin now, as it may, is delaying the start of World War 3. If he introduced troops to Ukraine, only God knows how the USA and Europe would react to this. Although China is on our side, see how many people want to humiliate and trample, and then divide Russia into tidbits.
              1. Wheel
                Wheel 20 July 2014 18: 45
                -1
                Quote: wolk71
                But it seems to me that Putin now, as it may, is delaying the start of World War 3. If he introduced troops to Ukraine, only God knows how the USA and Europe would react to this. Although China is on our side

                Reaching out ...
                Would bring in troops at the "request" of Yanuca and everything would be the way.
                Then the west was knocked out from the Crimea and everything would end in a big stink, but now everything is for what will end in a big war.
                Quote: wolk71
                look at how many people want to humiliate and trample, and then divide Russia into tidbits.

                If we ourselves chew snot and mumble something incomprehensible to our sworn "partners", so why be surprised at the number of vultures?

                Eh hehe secret plan, pancake!
              2. Baloo
                Baloo 20 July 2014 22: 42
                +1
                And so it is. A special operation of the "Kvatro" controllers, the purpose of which is to cut off the Russian Federation from oil and gas supplies to Europe. Merikashki first strangled Iran, now they flirt. According to the plan, Iraqi and Iranian oil, gas from Mericosia were supposed to replace Ebropia gas and oil from the Russian Federation.
            2. Vik.Tor
              Vik.Tor 20 July 2014 20: 40
              0
              Good question. But really what?
        3. AQUARIUS 65
          AQUARIUS 65 20 July 2014 12: 47
          +10
          jovanni
          ... will blame the militias and Russia. Moreover, sheshea will immediately support (already support) this alignment. And behind them amicably and all the mongrels will begin to bark at us habitually.

          So, mongrels are already barking: Australia, the European Union, Turkey ... In the fall we only hear from them - Russia attacked, Russia occupied the Crimea, Putin is to blame for everything ... Now - Russia was shot down by a plane, Putin is a killer ...
          But at the same time, Ukrainians flee to Russia fleeing shelling, bombing and sweeping. And the planes of those who blame Russia fly around Ukraine ... Moreover, through Russia.
          You would have decided there, gentlemen, with respect to Russia!
          1. pahom54
            pahom54 20 July 2014 13: 09
            +9
            quote from AQUARIUS 65: "And the planes of those who blame Russia fly over Ukraine ... Moreover, through Russia.
            You would have already decided there, gentlemen, with the attitude towards Russia! "...
            It would seem that this alone determined that NOT RUSSIA shot down this Boeing ...
            However, the conclusions of the commission will be completely different, unfortunately ...
            And another question: Russia honestly did not accept the black boxes from the Boeing, hoping (again stepped on the rake !!!) for an honest (!!!) game of the outskirts and the international community, and as a result of dill, they are now being spoiled on their own ... And guessing it’s not necessary what data they will submit to ICAO, and what will follow ...
            Ugh, fuck !!!
        4. VAF
          VAF 20 July 2014 12: 51
          +8
          Quote: Jovanni
          No! Here they will blame the militias and Russia.


          Absolutely, +!
          Quote: snifer
          And ours are seriously waiting for an answer ??


          So they don’t know anything else, why be surprised? lol Only BLA-BLA-BLA, and even that ... in the local (internal Russian space0, but as it comes to performances somewhere, it’s a complete tolerance and companionship! soldier
          As soon as I heard this for the first time on TV .... as a buoy to put it more bluntly ... and the next PIGPAK. Appointed for the post of Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, so in shock so far.
          I read and think. That's because the good fellows Admins .. do not expose this "nonsense" in the style of "ala Nalyvaichenko and Avakov" .. but no .. they posted it.
          Or maybe they proceed from the position of that .. see for yourself "he is leading us and he will lead us into battle" wassat

          Okay, the "lyrics" are now over on the case.

          1. If I were in the place of the head of the dill .. I would have sent these questions .. "in the forest and further."
          Immediately I say for every question I have 10 answers .. (I won’t write everything). But any of them puts Antonov at a level much lower than the above dill !!! soldier

          So:

          Question 1.- The answer is based on official means of objective control of the Ministry of Defense and the Civil Aviation Administration of Ukraine.

          Question 2 - Answer - As it should be known to Mr. Antonov. If not, we remind you that fighting has been ongoing in Ukraine for a long time. That’s ATO. So it’s not your ... (such) thing to tell us where. When and that from the means of armament and counteraction we must deploy! Or Mr. Antonov believes that the territory of Donetsk is already the territory of the Russian Federation ??? wassat
          About the main thing, reminds Mr. Antonov that active databases are currently being maintained in the area of ​​the Donetsk airport, which is the most important strategic object and unfortunately there is a chance of it coming under the control of the opposition, and as a result, the opportunity for the transfer of weapons and equipment from the Russian Federation not only to ground is open. but also by air .. that’s why we deployed the Buk M1 air defense division in the most probable and dangerous areas. To prevent this, etc. etc.

          PS to Answer No. 2 Perhaps Mr. Antonov forgot that we only know the right to demand the removal of troops from the borders of the Russian Federation, to provide transport and lunch for ukrov and observers, as well as to fly around the territory of the Russian Federation for the purpose of control, etc. and the like .... and torelastam it .. not available !!! soldier

          To be continued (too large a volume of d.e.b.i.b.s. questions) request
          1. VAF
            VAF 20 July 2014 13: 05
            +3
            Quote: vaf
            To be continued


            Question No. 3 - Answer - due to the fact that constant attacks continue ........ on our military units throughout the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, it is very difficult to carry out delivery and ensure the safe work of representatives of interested administrations and countries. War ... you understand, but with ... we cannot agree. they say one thing, but in fact something completely different (in short, all nonsense in the style of UsSAKI or the like ... after all, ours "chew" ... so they will continue to ... chew wassat )

            Question No. 4 - The answer is, of course we can ... any list of all missiles. NAR and NURS are not necessary. And maybe shells for the gun ???

            P.S. to the 4th question, one of the most. fool in this list.
            Mr. Antonov, do you have a fragment of a stabilizer or a skin for a missile with tail number? To try to identify it by military-warehouse accounting? belay
            And there is expert confirmation that these rocket fragments were extracted from the structural elements of the aircraft with photo confirmation?
            Separately, according to Buk, on the site of the militia in all its glory flaunted complexes of buk0 and a transport vehicle and PU itself with missiles).
            Who is stopping dill to fake velomost and declare that this rocket was .... in short, got along with the complexes? wassat

            Vopos No. 5 - The answer, of course, will be .. what’s the problem .. our aviation didn’t fly that day at all. With the exception of Su-25 attack aircraft and helicopters, it can be transport aviation. and all the fighters sat still.
            Here are the documents ..... wassat
            1. VAF
              VAF 20 July 2014 13: 28
              +5
              Quote: vaf
              Vopos number


              Question No. 6 - Answer- Let it be known to Mr. Antonov. Although it is surprising that being in such a position and not knowing the truths (or you have the same scribblers of texts for your statements. wassat ) that there were no a priori deviations from the route, because the flight is carried out in strict accordance with the stated flight plan. Which, in addition to the main route, is also provided for emergency ones. In case of unforeseen circumstances and changes.
              And since the BASIC functions of the ATC air traffic control center in the whole world are the implementation of SAFETY, according to meteorological forecast for a given period of time, the air traffic authorities of Dnepropetrovsk (or something) noted the formation of a powerful cumulus region. The whole front, which was located southwest of Donetsk . as a result of which the dispatcher issued a command to change the flight instead of the route (such-and-such) bypass along the highway (such-and-such). wassat
              Examine your FAPs. In the section on circumventing powerful cumulus clouds and thunderstorms.
              Weather bulletin ?? .. Yes, "drawn" for a long time .. get and sign.

              Question No. 7 - answer - The altitude limit to 7800 meters (level 260) fully ensured the safety of civilian flights over the entire territory of Ukraine, because ..... didn’t (according to our intelligence) have serious air defense and IA equipment.
              Moreover, throughout the entire period of the ATO, such restrictions completely ensured complete safety.
              And who told you that we don’t have radar control in this area?

              But the fact that .... they managed to repair and bring to the BG the captured air defense systems .. for us it was a complete surprise and (and then everything that we gave specialists and spare parts and almost helped to shoot down, etc. )
              There is a huge pile for even our site fool- loyal subjects of Urikalok. who with foam at the mouth proved here that all and all help comes from, and where did the militias get such success. that they themselves saw. that our planes both fly and shoot down, etc. etc.).
              so now USSAKA calmly referring to the VO site will pronounce. that’s .... what they themselves say are loyal subjects that the Russian Federation teaches and helps in vu.

              Think .. loyal admirers .. what to write and where. And then ... echelons of tanks and ... where is one. And in the morning 20 .. I hope you don't have to take personally for .. a shkvarnik and "carry a face from a table" .. everyone recognized themselves ??? wassat
              1. VAF
                VAF 20 July 2014 13: 46
                +1
                Quote: vaf
                Question No.


                Question No. 8 - The answer is - what kind of Spanish dispatcher? belay At which ZC RC US ATC did you see or hear it? belay? What could the Spanish dispatcher do in the Ukrainian central control department ??? belay If you find, you can interrogate wassat tongue
                I can still have 20 options, but so as not to bother the public. I’ll get round .. so any answer is to your liking lol

                Question No. 9 - Answer - In order to prevent terrorist acts, to seize these documents and audio recordings, the SBU of Ukraine made the most competent decision, in order to maintain their integrity and security .. remove them and put them under reliable protection, because it is not known .. how much time will be needed for the arrival of the official commission wassat
                And in general, this is G. Antonov. It’s not your business .. on our territory we’ll figure it out ourselves. wassat

                Question # 10 - What measures did you.Antons or your predecessors take to prevent cases (then there is a list of listing our "blunders" for shooting down planes)? And it is very uncouth to recall the cases 13 years ago. Moreover, then it was completely different country and completely different leaders.
                And now we have almost the EU and almost Europe !!! wassat
        5. Cap-3 USSR
          Cap-3 USSR 20 July 2014 13: 13
          +7
          For this he was beaten. The only thing that was not calculated is where it falls. They counted that at home. And fell to the militia. Now it will be problematic with black boxes. This is the main evidence. Negotiations of dispatchers, testimonies of radars, they all could wipe as they needed, and who needs to shut up their mouths.
          So that the militia needs blood from the nose to find black boxes.
          And if it comes from Tymoshenko, then she is in the black in any situation.
        6. INVESTOR
          INVESTOR 20 July 2014 16: 09
          +14
          Our Nazis in Turkey)))
          In Turkey, Russian and Ukrainian tourists fought. They beat with chairs, deckchairs, boards for backgammon and chess. In one of the hotels in Turkish Kemer, there was a real battle between Ukrainian and Russian tourists, Russian.rt.com reports. The bulk of holidaymakers at the hotel are Russians, Ukrainians and a few Turks. According to eyewitnesses, “nothing boded, but last night after a dinner with libations, a group of people in Kiev started shouting“ yak at a dumbass! ”. The Nazi remarks displeased tourists from St. Petersburg, but the nationalists did not respond to the remark, but, on the contrary, became more angry, for which they were beaten. Further, the conflict escalated, involving more and more vacationers. “The scuffle was just to heaven. They fought with sun loungers, chairs, drowned someone in the hotel pool. A large number of police cars arrived, ”said one of the vacationers with the“ front line, ”according to whom what was happening was reminiscent of a“ saloon in the Wild West. ” The Russians broke up so much that the British and Germans went on, the French fought on the side of the Russians, and Caucasians, Kazakhs, and Belarusian tourists also helped them. Now a tricolor has soared above the hotel.

          Read more at park72.ru/?p=39872
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 20 July 2014 22: 45
            +2
            The Russians rule, it was not necessary for the boars to tease the bear.
        7. Salamander
          Salamander 20 July 2014 22: 49
          0
          Personally, I have a lot more questions. am
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 20 July 2014 10: 31
        +15
        The commander of the Chetnik movement Bratislav Zhivkovich, fighting his squad in southeastern Ukraine, gave an interview to Voice of Russia.


        Kiev accuses self-defense units in the southeast of the crash of a Malaysian plane. What do you think, who is responsible?
        By all accounts, the responsibility for the downing of a passenger plane lies solely with the Ukrainian army, which thus wants to get a few days of armistice to conduct an investigation. In fact, this is an attempt to get time for the regrouping of Ukrainian units and their withdrawal from the environment. Strelkov completely rejected the similar "truce" that was offered to him. In general, what is the interest of Novorossia in shooting down passenger planes? On the other hand, Ukraine wants to blame war and crimes on the Russian Federation for yet another desperate manipulation.
        Do you think the plane was not shot down intentionally to give rise to NATO intervention?

        The plane was undoubtedly intentionally shot down, and what is in the minds of the Ukrainian oligarchs - God knows. http://warfiles.ru/new/ pay attention to a beautiful name-Bratislava...
      3. Monk
        Monk 20 July 2014 10: 54
        +3
        no, reacted to the air conditioner
        1. MarKon
          MarKon 20 July 2014 11: 19
          +2
          And what's there on Boeing, air conditioning?
          1. VAF
            VAF 20 July 2014 13: 56
            +3
            Quote: MarKon
            And what's there on Boeing, air conditioning?


            As elsewhere ... SLE, but it works only for "inhalation" and further through a closed office, with the exception of technical compartments and cargo compartments, and then only if a product with SBCh) wink
      4. Момент
        Момент 20 July 2014 11: 00
        +8
        Questions will remain unanswered. Ukraine really does not need., Not for this
        1. VAF
          VAF 20 July 2014 14: 26
          +3
          Quote: Moment
          Questions will remain unanswered. Ukraine really does not need., Not for this


          I absolutely agree +! And even more so with the FULL INACTION of our authorities ... after all, apart from statements on the local (Russian TV) and local press, there is nothing at all.

          After all, so many "trump cards" were given by both Avakov and Parashkin ...... there are no words at all ..
          Where is the widespread conference or briefing for all accredited and non-accredited foreign journalists about exposing the facts that Ukrainians are trying to put in (and successfully put in) all over the world?
          With evidence. With expertise and conclusion, this record was mounted (prepared) a day before the Boeing was shot down, which fully exposes ukrov of guilt and planning.
          WHERE???? Gospodirn VVPutin .. Whom did you collect your structures ???? Or again you say, "..you can fire everyone. But replace them with whom?"

          At the stooltkin, at least it was possible to "use" his "baba battalion" for .. direct purpose lol , and these ... related ... what to use ??? recourse

          Or is it still not in them, but ...? wassat
          1. 31231
            31231 20 July 2014 19: 07
            0
            With evidence. With expertise and conclusion, this record was mounted (prepared) a day before the Boeing was shot down, which fully exposes ukrov of guilt and planning.


            You are not right. The YouTube service changes the date the file was created. At what can put a different difference in hours.
            It is enough to check it yourself. Create a video, upload, preferably after a sufficient time to download and view through the utility. And in most cases, Google moderators (YouTube) change the file date.
            1. VAF
              VAF 20 July 2014 21: 43
              0
              Quote: 31231
              You are not right


              I almost literally brought you quotes from the report of the head of the center for analysis and processing of the audio-video center. Unfortunately, I forgot my name. But in the news for 24 minutes he spoke about this for 15 minutes and "chewed" everything and with documentary evidence.
              And he pointed out (by the way, in my comments, this is the main idea). That those specialists who made this "hat" place the maximum at the Dump or near the Toilet (shouting .. "where are you going ... BUSY). For more dill. not capable.
              And you tell how it should be and is done by professionals.

              With us, with our "national treasures", all roads should be made of platinum (for real), and we only have Prices for these roads ... platinum wassat wassat (I greatly exaggerate, but so ... for contrast and perception).

              That's the question .. and maybe we also have such "specialists" and leaders. what is EVERYTHING in ..OPE ??? lol
          2. Rock2
            Rock2 21 July 2014 10: 39
            0
            On account of "... whom did you recruit into your structures? ... and who replaces?" I agree. Adequate, able to work, have long been dispersed, and who left himself. There are opportunists and young people left with no one to teach. You can't cook big politics with these bunny boys ... Or are there specialists?
      5. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 20 July 2014 11: 18
        +1
        would give them an example of how psheks in opu okhu .. fell in Smolensk ...
      6. net abortion
        net abortion 20 July 2014 13: 44
        +14
        About dreams and phantasies-
        (American accomplices.)
        1. vitaz
          vitaz 20 July 2014 15: 21
          +2
          ALREADY LONG TIME HEAD BROKEN WHAT THEY DO NOT ENOUGH THEM, AND HERE EXACTLY MIND
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 20 July 2014 22: 46
            +1
            It’s from shaking while racing
        2. kuzia rocker
          kuzia rocker 20 July 2014 19: 05
          +3
          if they read the phrase in the square (when the Ukrainian gets smarter he becomes Russian) they will blow out the whole crowd on the Independence Square and make themselves lobatamia as a sign that they will never be Russian
        3. 23 region
          23 region 20 July 2014 23: 29
          +2
          Well said. It’s a pity that just the opposite can happen with our exam. And we will become Ukrainians. Then everything is a carcass of light. Events in Ukraine seem fuss in the sandbox.
      7. Alf
        Alf 20 July 2014 21: 45
        0
        Quote: baluru72
        Now they will traditionally say that he self-exploded ...

        By tradition, they will say that "an air conditioner exploded on board."
      8. Andrei Forge 67
        Andrei Forge 67 20 July 2014 21: 57
        +1
        Ukrainian Russians: I envy the Russians, I envy them, "I am a Nazi muzzle, am" and "yam" I envy their Olympics and their army, I have many friends, I also have relatives in Russia. And I see them changing and growing. They trust their President. They believe in their army. They are proud of their great history, their achievements and victories. And this was our common history ... and victories and achievements. Just yesterday. They made peace with themselves. They didn't give a damn about the West we adored. And they go further and develop, so that they do not tell us on our televisions and on our forums. And I understand that it is we who are losing, not they. We are getting weaker and they are getting stronger. And no matter how loudly we shout "Glory to Ukraine!" it cannot be stopped. Quite recently, we were sneering when they had Chechnya. And now the Chechens are no less Russians than the Russians themselves. They are ready to fight for their revived and Great Country. A part of which they are. And they are already scaring us with Chechen battalions. How did it happen ??? They killed each other yesterday. And the reason is simple, the Chechens were able to remember that they are Russians, and that they are part of the Great Country and the Great People.
        2
      9. volot-voin
        volot-voin 21 July 2014 14: 54
        0
        Quote: baluru72
        now they will traditionally say that he self-exploded ..

        NEEA ... not for the purpose of knocking down, to say "self-feeding", "Accidentally hit a rakuta". Now, by hook or by crook, they will blame the DPR and Russia. Dade if we directly prove the ukrop trace.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 20 July 2014 10: 03
      +12
      People flew in an airplane
      Different countries, ages and rules.
      The devil presented them on a platter,
      Not added and not diminished.

      Like a princess in her carriage,
      Elegant, easy and fast,
      Death snake crawled into a rocket
      And she flew to kill.

      And people died instantly
      Different countries, and between them, children.
      Death, of course, will be condemned by the judges.
      As always, she will not answer.
      From the site http://www.inpearls.ru/
    3. StolzSS
      StolzSS 20 July 2014 10: 03
      +5
      Yes, but you can try as an excuse to introduce Russian peacekeepers, probably in the future it’s all used ... or at least for a no-fly zone ...
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 20 July 2014 10: 07
        +7
        Quote: StolzSS
        Yes, but you can try as an excuse to introduce Russian peacekeepers, probably in the future it’s all used ... or at least for a no-fly zone ...

        In this case, we will be invaders ..! If we’re fighting, then fuck ... all of them in a row .. And we are not ready for this yet .. for now!
        1. saag
          saag 20 July 2014 10: 18
          +13
          Quote: MIKHAN
          In this case, we will be invaders.

          When Russia stood up for South Ossetia and was called an occupant, did it really bother anyone?
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 20 July 2014 10: 37
          +8
          Quote: MIKHAN
          In this case, we will be invaders ..!

          10 questions to Kiev from the Russian Ministry of Defense regarding the downed Boeing remain unanswered


          They will remain unanswered ...

          Wait, Weizman's main task is to knock out the militia from the area of ​​the fall with a blow ... if it doesn't work out, raze everything, so that there is no evidence left. "Familiar handwriting of 3,14ndostan": twin towers, a South Korean liner ... much more.

          There is information that in Mon. general mobilization will be announced, and before that, troops will be thrown into the area of ​​the fall of B777. In order to sabotage the sending of experts to the place of the fall ....
          A source from the military registration and enlistment office in Lviv and another in the Transcarpathian regional administration said that on Monday a general mobilization would begin with an aim at a full-scale war. Smart ones are already running feverishly - whoever can is falling to other countries (for example, Russia, yeah).


          http://takie.org/news/totalnaja_vojna_na_ukraine/2014-07-19-11584

          It seems that all this pack went all-in ...

          Yesterday in Vesti we already talked about "blue helmets" ...
          Type Weizmann calls to introduce them. Merkel also thinks.
          Tsarev commented on this (not literally. Just the point):
          Poles, Hungarians, Romanians - will enter into their area of ​​interest. I hope Russia will not leave Novorossia without the help of its peacekeepers ...
          http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=610361&cid=0

          It seems that in fact there is no longer Hohland, it remains de jure to formalize this.
          We are waiting for trump cards from the gross domestic product - they are!
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 20 July 2014 11: 15
            +4
            Quote: Rus2012
            We are waiting for trump cards from the gross domestic product - they are!

            We all hope for GDP. First on the "cunning plan", now on the trump cards. Then what for?
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 20 July 2014 11: 34
              +8
              Quote: Russ69
              Then what for?


              on yourself, your beloved ... and on like-minded friends who are ready to gather in Strelkov's insurgent liberation detachments, with the names - "Colonel Gaddaffi", "Che Guevara" ... :)

              Not so simple, see here -
              "Air Sacrifice" as a complete miscalculation of Washington
              http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/249454-aviacionnoe-zhertvoprinoshenie-k
              ak-polnyy-proschet-vashingtona.html
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 20 July 2014 11: 49
                +7
                Quote: Rus2012
                "Air Sacrifice" as a complete miscalculation of Washington

                It's hard to call a miscalculation. Now, the ball is completely on the side of dill and the west. Russia is completely squeezed, the entire information war is hitting Russia, for for all we are already to blame. Now the reaction to any real support from New Russia will be regarded more strictly. And I'm sure that to prove the involvement of dill in a downed Boeing will not succeed in any case. At best, they will write off to an unknown plane or rocket.
                1. 31231
                  31231 20 July 2014 12: 26
                  +3
                  It is enough to publish records from recorders and Boeing video cameras on the network and the information war is striped.
                  We all remember the telephone conversation between Nuland and Ambassador Payet. Even Nuland did not begin to say that it was a lie.
                  1. Rus2012
                    Rus2012 20 July 2014 12: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: 31231
                    and Boeing cameras

                    what?
                    Is this practiced?
                    The first time I read ...
                  2. 11111mail.ru
                    11111mail.ru 20 July 2014 15: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: 31231
                    publish records from recorders and camcorders Boeing online and

                    А they you have? So do not be clever ...
                    1. 31231
                      31231 20 July 2014 18: 57
                      0
                      I have?!
                      And who got the phone records of Nuland-Payet, Shufrich-Tymoshenko? Where did the info about Brenan's arrival come from?
                      I don’t want to prove it here without proof, but the exact place where the troops of the 72nd brigade stopped and was deployed were sold to the SBU militias.
                      And whoever burned these units will continue to be under the cover of secrecy.
                      1. 11111mail.ru
                        11111mail.ru 21 July 2014 05: 30
                        0
                        Quote: 31231
                        I have?! And who ...

                        Lift your eyelids! The question was about video cameras ...
                        Quote: 31231
                        ...camcorders Boeing
                  3. Wheel
                    Wheel 20 July 2014 19: 06
                    0
                    Quote: 31231
                    It is enough to publish records from recorders and Boeing video cameras on the network and the information war is striped.

                    And where are these records, let me ask? In whose hands?
                2. Rus2012
                  Rus2012 20 July 2014 12: 37
                  +4
                  Quote: Russ69
                  And I'm sure that to prove the involvement of dill in a downed Boeing will not succeed in any case.

                  ...like this?!
                  If the CIA surrenders its own, I repeat -
                  "Several CIA analysts have cited a series of satellite reconnaissance photographs showing that the anti-aircraft missile strike that shot down the Boeing was fired by Ukrainian regular army forces, not ethnic Russian rebels in opposition to the regime in Kiev."


                  http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/19/airline-horror-spurs-new-rush-to-judgment/
                  For all that - the liner was shot down not only by Buk, but also by an "air-to-air" missile - there is a photo, the striking elements are sitting in the body -
                  1. Wolka
                    Wolka 20 July 2014 13: 04
                    +3
                    traces of the defeat of a Boeing by an air-to-air missile are evident, but I admit that the planes could strike at the same time as a defeat of a Boeing by a beech missile, well, to confuse the tracks ...
                    1. 31231
                      31231 20 July 2014 18: 51
                      +3
                      Personally, my opinion is that the aircraft have already finished off.
                      For the pilots began to shout something interesting on the air from a Buk missile.
                      And the ukrolitaks were given the command to remove the witnesses, because if they reached the Russian Federation and sat there, they told a lot of bad things against Ukraine.

                      But this is purely my version. It is based on the fact that if Buk fully shot down a Boeing at 330, then completely different remains of the plane and bodies would fly to the ground. Witnesses would not have heard explosions from rockets at an altitude of 10 km. And they would not have seen how the Boeing spins, having lost some of its plumage and slowly crumbles near the ground.
                      It was cloudy and all the observed action took place below 1 km.
                  2. Wheel
                    Wheel 20 July 2014 19: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: Rus2012
                    For all that - the liner was shot down not only by Buk, but also by an "air-to-air" missile - there is a photo, the striking elements are sitting in the body -
                    There was no Buk there, not a single fragment with damage from a surface-to-air missile.
                3. mamont5
                  mamont5 20 July 2014 18: 26
                  +4
                  Quote: Russ69
                  And I'm sure that to prove the involvement of dill in a downed Boeing will not succeed in any case.


                  You are so vain.
                  Slowly proved.
                  "

                  A record of militia talks posted on the Internet by Ukrainian intelligence agencies, which allegedly discusses the destruction of the Malaysian Boeing, is a fake. This was stated by a group of experts who studied the film and came to the conclusion that it is the installation of many unrelated conversations.

                  “This sound recording is not a complete file, it is mounted from several fragments,” ITAR-TASS quoted the words of one of the most respected experts in the field of sound and speech analysis, an expert from Target Technologies, Nikolai Popov.

                  In particular, according to him, linguistic analysis shows that those who fabricated this recording clearly did not have enough material and time. "
                  http://russian.rt.com/article/41706

                  In addition: "Netizens found out that the filming of Buk was made in the territory controlled by the Ukrainian army
                  A video was widely circulated in the Ukrainian media in which the Buk anti-aircraft missile system allegedly leaves towards the Russian-Ukrainian border. However, the advertising banner on the video gives the location of Buka, a city that has been under the control of the Ukrainian security forces since May. Moreover, information that this Buk was allegedly captured by militias is refuted by representatives of the Ukrainian authorities.
                  While Ukrainian media write that the militias are “covering up” after firing on a Malaysian airliner, Internet users have identified the street through which the anti-aircraft complex is passing through the video. This is Gorky Street in Krasnoarmeysk. Currently, the city is under the control of the Kiev authorities.
                  Moreover, it became known that the Buk with the same number - 312 - had previously appeared in Gorlovka, being brought there by the Ukrainian army.

                  Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/41709#ixzz381EB5ELE
          2. DOMINO100
            DOMINO100 20 July 2014 11: 53
            -6
            You see, Western peacekeepers will be introduced. And Russia will again convene all sorts of UN, OSCE, PACE, etc. It’s not enough for Putin’s spirit. Can’t this be seen !!!!!!!
            First, there was a statement by Putin, we know EXACTLY WHO SHOULD BEAT! and it’s silent! and the Westerners are emphasizing the opposite and are crushing specifically on all fronts. and they will crush, and they will raise such a high that the Kremlin will become dim. a weak president, a weak government. I don’t believe this CHISPOSPECT CHEKIST!
            1. voldmis
              voldmis 20 July 2014 13: 57
              +4
              Well, the spirit is not enough for Putin. Well, is this not visible !!!!!!!


              Personally, my opinion. The spirit of the Supreme will obviously be stronger than that of many. Otherwise, he would not have led the country in such a difficult time.

              First, there was a statement by Putin, we know EXACTLY WHO HAS BEEN SURROUNDED! and be silent!


              Why yell ahead of time? First you need to wait for a better moment. What we know is our serious trump card! Why pull it out immediately and show it to everyone?

              I don’t believe this Tricky Chekist!


              Do not believe it. No one is forcing.
          3. 31231
            31231 20 July 2014 12: 23
            0
            Wait, Weizman's main task is to knock out the militia from the area of ​​the fall with a blow ... if it doesn't work out, raze everything, so that there is no evidence left. "Familiar handwriting of 3,14ndostan": twin towers, a South Korean liner ... much more.


            I can’t do it. I think ours most likely already copied everything and set aside part of the video and audio material for ourselves.
            Because of this, so far there is a catavasia with recorders and video cameras and their flash drives.
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 20 July 2014 15: 34
              +1
              Quote: 31231
              already copied everything

              Where in an open field or the nearest village "suddenly" will there be devices for writing off information, and most importantly specialists, that they can do it competently?
        3. Wheel
          Wheel 20 July 2014 18: 57
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          In this case, we will be invaders ..! If we’re fighting, then fuck ... all of them in a row .. And we are not ready for this yet .. for now!

          Yes wow, what we will be.
          It is necessary to declare Ukraine its sandbox and warn that everyone who gets involved in our game will immediately get over the ears.
          And we will never be ready until we begin. Confirmed by the story.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 20 July 2014 11: 00
        +7
        The numbers of the two aircraft are almost identical and differ by 1 letter - O and D: - The tail number of flight MH370, which disappeared in March, is 9M-MRO. - The side number of flight MH17, which "crashed" yesterday, is 9M-MRD. Just for information.
        Source: http://ufoleaks.su/
      3. Lukich
        Lukich 20 July 2014 11: 01
        +4
        Quote: StolzSS
        Yes, but you can try as an excuse to introduce peacekeepers

        and then according to the Georgian scenario? but it will no longer be like in Georgia. in the outskirts everything will be much more serious and we won’t get by with little blood
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 20 July 2014 10: 10
      +9
      Ukrainians will not answer, because it turns out that they must publicly plead guilty to the destruction of the Boeing.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 20 July 2014 10: 54
        +8
        Quote: Giant thought
        Ukrainians will not answer, because it turns out that they must publicly plead guilty to the destruction of the Boeing.

        I think so, forget about the downed Boeing .. (now Russia is accused as in 08.08.08.) Then they will forget and have almost forgotten .. If the militia goes on the offensive (or even worse Russia will actually run into it), these nuclear power plants will blow up ... quietly .. And you need to take Israel by the balls .. this is a prerequisite (minus, but I think so, their hand and their property in Ukraine) And for that they will do anything ...! Arabs are being slaughtered for two teenagers ... ( eh, check out their "iron dome")))) hi
    5. Matroskin 18
      Matroskin 18 20 July 2014 10: 14
      +4
      And why should they answer these 10 secondary questions when they have already answered the main one! laughing
      1. Paradoxov
        Paradoxov 20 July 2014 11: 05
        +10
        Really no reason.

        Sorry, somehow wrong)

        1. tor11121
          tor11121 20 July 2014 12: 44
          +3
          Yes, everyone knows everything very well. In Russia there is an early warning system similar to the one in Europe at the Americans. Systems monitor everything that flies and crawls. Any launch of a ground-to-air missile is recorded ..
    6. Paradoxov
      Paradoxov 20 July 2014 10: 30
      +19
      Hold the pause am

      Kiev. Junta trainers at the US embassy are furious with the unprofessional and primitive work of the Ukrainian military.

      According to a source in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the Ukrainian military was convincing that Russia does not technically control the territory of the southeast. As a result, it turned out that Russian means of control and reconnaissance, including space ones, recorded everything that happened during the attack of a Malaysian plane by a Buk air defense missile system.

      This largely thwarted the disinformation attack of the media specially hired by Washington the day before. Putin's silence is perceived as a strategic move. When everyone voiced the fabricated lies, he silently lay out on the table evidence of the guilt of the perpetrators of the barbaric attack.
      http://novorosinform.org
      1. Vik.Tor
        Vik.Tor 20 July 2014 10: 47
        +4
        Oh, if so, so why wait for a lie, it might be better not to wait immediately to cover up with your facts.
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 20 July 2014 11: 11
        +10
        Quote: Paradoxov
        Hold the pause

        On July 18, in the village of Aleksandrovskoye, where activists of the “Essence of Time” movement organized a permanent labor camp near the leader’s summer residence, Sergey Kurginyan made another revelation of Igor Strelkov and the Novorossiya militia. This time, the political scientist carefully decided to share his version of the reasons for the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777. Caution in this case was very appropriate, and the place where this version was voiced was chosen correctly, because the meaning of what Kurginyan said this time could shock the unprepared listener. Sergei Ervandovich actually accused the militia and the Minister of Defense of the DPR Igor Strelkov that they shot down a Boeing, and they shot down by mistake because they wanted to destroy another plane, with the Russian president on board.
        http://www.novorosinform.org/articles/id/157
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 20 July 2014 11: 17
          +16
          Quote: Lukich
          Yervandovich actually accused the militias and the Minister of Defense of the DPR Igor Strelkov that they shot down a Boeing, and they shot down by mistake because they wanted to destroy another plane, with the Russian president on board.

          At Kurginyan, his head was completely blown away. Udot ...
          1. saag
            saag 20 July 2014 17: 45
            +4
            Quote: Russ69
            At Kurginyan, his head was completely blown away. Udot.

            No, he does the work, the question is who assigned?
            1. Wheel
              Wheel 20 July 2014 19: 14
              0
              Quote: saag
              No, he does the work, the question is who assigned?

              The question is rhetorical?
          2. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 20 July 2014 18: 02
            +3
            Quote: Russ69
            At Kurginyan, his head was completely blown away. Udot

            Probably "hoopoe"?
            1. ty60
              ty60 20 July 2014 19: 42
              0
              I read like. on the head.
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 20 July 2014 17: 59
          +2
          Quote: Lukich
          Sergey Kurginyan made another revelation of Igor Strelkov and the militia of New Russia.

          Each hut has its own toys;
          Sergei Kurginyan has cockroaches in his skull.
      3. 31231
        31231 20 July 2014 12: 36
        +2
        I totally agree.
        Both us and the Americans know what happened in reality.
        Moreover, I have no doubt that Old from our recorders and Boeing cameras have already downloaded. And for fidelity, several carriers can leave it at home.
        And when the lies from dill and striped begin, ours with great pleasure will publish all the trump cards.
        1. Wheel
          Wheel 20 July 2014 19: 16
          +1
          Quote: 31231
          Moreover, I have no doubt that ours have already downloaded from recorders and Boeing cameras

          Do you know how to remove Old from black boxes?
          Yes, and without opening them?
          You are a genius?
        2. Suhov
          Suhov 20 July 2014 19: 48
          0
          Quote: 31231
          our s great pleasure will publish all the trump cards

          ... with the toe of a soldier's tarpaulin boot, with a guy ...
    7. K-50
      K-50 20 July 2014 10: 46
      +4
      They are not waiting for an answer, but they put Kuev in an uncomfortable position, that you understand so literally.
    8. Alekseev
      Alekseev 20 July 2014 11: 25
      +5
      Quote: snifer
      ours are seriously waiting for an answer ?? naive, just like girls.

      But to think that someone is waiting for some kind of answer from banderlogs can really only be a naive person.
      Questions were asked only for the purpose of clearly showing the guilt of Kiev - since it does not want to understand, therefore, the dog knows whose meat has eaten.
      In addition, when asked about something by the Russian Ministry of Defense, then receive, on a reciprocity basis, a similar answer.
    9. pg4
      pg4 20 July 2014 11: 30
      +13
      Answer received !!!
      Avakov on Facebook Lavrov sent in plain text: “Or maybe just go to their mother’s fucking place, and then we'll figure it out ourselves ?! And everything will be glorious and good, without all this pillowcase - just like in Slavyansk now! ”
      URGENT NOTE TO THE PROTEST !!! crying
      https://www.facebook.com/arsen.avakov.1/posts/671503236273119
      1. coolvoldik
        coolvoldik 20 July 2014 18: 28
        +3
        Do not worry, the Basmanny court has already transplanted the entire junta, in absentia. Already, as the third month, they wind the term.
    10. Monk
      Monk 20 July 2014 11: 45
      +1
      This is an element of the information war, no more.
    11. 53-Sciborskiy
      53-Sciborskiy 20 July 2014 11: 57
      +1
      Quote: snifer
      And ours are seriously waiting for an answer ?? naive, just like girls.

      Answers, I hope so far, will definitely not be, not in the interests of "the top, with the top of the head moving down."
    12. coolvoldik
      coolvoldik 20 July 2014 11: 59
      -20
      Lavrov, to all his questions and advice, received an official answer from Avakov: "If you would walk in the forest" ... soon all the other Kremlinmen will go there too.
      1. 31231
        31231 20 July 2014 12: 38
        +5
        I remember there was a character like Deshtitsa. Is this glorious, talkative clap right now?
        1. coolvoldik
          coolvoldik 20 July 2014 17: 49
          -2
          And where is he? Transferred to another job, while maintaining the level of payment. He is very upset ..
          1. 31231
            31231 20 July 2014 19: 00
            -1
            Did you watch his salary then and now?
      2. stranik72
        stranik72 20 July 2014 12: 42
        +8
        coolvoldik
        In (used) Ukraine, now Banderstan, Azer Avakov, one needs to think already about the place in the cemetery, there is a clear idea that such pallets do not die in their beds. Well, and about the forest, watch out there sometimes wolves are found, but you can’t buy them off with your anus.
        1. coolvoldik
          coolvoldik 20 July 2014 18: 09
          0
          Strange, you probably saw enough Hollywood films in childhood. I guarantee you that all Jewish Nazis: Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Kolomoisky, Turchinov, ... and Avakov and Yanukovych, unlike you, will die in old age, somewhere in the countries of the old or new world.
      3. vitaz
        vitaz 20 July 2014 15: 35
        +1
        He put a minus and they zamusnuyut me, but in my opinion the games of big politicians are happening (something like that you and I parted with you) and this whole collection of dill has nothing to do with it, they are pawns, it's just a pity that so many people die
    13. UFO
      UFO 20 July 2014 12: 11
      +10
      It is time for Lavrov to directly declare that the Ukrainians shot down a passenger plane by order of the United States, in order to further strengthen the isolation of Russia and discredit the militias.
      Those. the direct culprit is the USA !!! am
      And let them otmazyvatsya ... Yes
    14. The comment was deleted.
    15. Sibom
      Sibom 20 July 2014 13: 01
      0
      If dill does not answer, they put themselves in such a position that others will DESIRE to receive an answer to these questions.
    16. The Pindos Enemy
      The Pindos Enemy 20 July 2014 13: 02
      0
      I demand from Vladimir Vladimirovich that if these con, cheat and gom, asses succeed in evading responsibility for the downed plane and the killed people and children of DONBAS, then it is necessary to carry out a complete mobilization and declare a SACRED WAR AGAINST DEFENSE !!!!!
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 20 July 2014 22: 52
        +1
        "The enemy of the s"? Seriously? What kind of enemy are you? Judging by your comments, you them, as it were, softer? In short, the dog below.
    17. Raskolnik
      Raskolnik 20 July 2014 13: 29
      +3
      Quote: snifer
      And ours are seriously waiting for an answer ?? naive, just like girls.

      I am sure 146% of us have long known the answer. Not for nothing that the GDP called black ... oh, an African American an hour after the advent, after which all the Western media put their tongue in the ass.
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 20 July 2014 13: 31
        -3
        Raskolnik RU  Today, 13: 29I am sure for 146% our people have long known the answer. Not for nothing GDP rang black


        ,,, speculation, or maybe he asked for forgiveness feel
      2. Wheel
        Wheel 20 July 2014 19: 20
        0
        Quote: Raskolnik
        I am sure 146% of us have long known the answer. Not for nothing that the GDP called black ... oh, an African American an hour after the advent, after which all the Western media put their tongue in the ass.

        They put it right? And now they’re not broadcasting?
        Why write nonsense?
        Yes, and Putin after that conversation for three days did not look the best way, if Che.
    18. Letun
      Letun 20 July 2014 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: snifer
      And ours are seriously waiting for an answer ?? naive, just like girls.

      Yes, they do not wait for our response from Kiev naturally. These questions were asked so that the world community, seeing that Kiev would not answer them, thought, and why? All right done.
    19. vladstro
      vladstro 20 July 2014 15: 09
      +1
      And it just pisses me off because ours are constantly waiting, 41 waiting, 08 waiting, and now when fire is being fired on OUR TERRITORY and RUSSIAN CITIZENS are dying, we are waiting again, WHTOOO, it’s clear to everyone that all this is EU, I would say essay, along with America, so what to expect? Thanks, MONEY, if the second prevails, then we will have to face the Third, but I am sure there will be no winners.
    20. mihasik
      mihasik 20 July 2014 15: 28
      +1
      Quote: snifer
      And ours are seriously waiting for an answer ?? naive, just like girls.

      Another mistake, in my opinion, is that our authorities recognized the Poroshenko regime.
      At the moment, the world has such a position: there is a priori legitimate, good and kind government in the person of Poroshenko and "terrorists" and "separatists" in the person of the militia. Terrorists from one name cannot be good! So they shot down 100%! And Russia, as the defender of these "bad terrorists", is an aggressor against the entire world (good and kind) community! That's all the logic that, according to the United States and its slaves, does not need proof! All!
    21. Sterlya
      Sterlya 20 July 2014 15: 57
      +1
      Dill will remain dill, the mattress bed will remain striped even though they are in their eyes.
    22. starshina78
      starshina78 20 July 2014 17: 34
      +1
      These amerikosovskie zopolizy, will not do anything without a team from the Washington regional committee. They look in the mouth of the Americans. Yes, and the provocation with this plane is a common affair of ukrov and americos. Not for nothing it happened after the BRICS summit adopted significant issues on the reduction of mutual settlements in dollars and the transition to settlements in local currencies. This is what a blow to the Americans’s buck! Let’s organize provocations in order to hit Russia and its image in a more painful way. Eh, the site’s framework does not allow it, otherwise I would have walked through the Americans, like our boatswain was walking through a mess.
    23. Armax
      Armax 20 July 2014 19: 13
      0
      Quote: snifer
      And ours are seriously waiting for an answer ?? naive, just like girls.


      The questions are direct and accurate, but just ask them, and to hear honest answers, you can only from an adequate opponent!
    24. Suhov
      Suhov 20 July 2014 19: 17
      0
      Quote: snifer
      And ours are seriously waiting for an answer ?? naive, just like girls.

      Rhetorical questions, do not need answers. smile
      Besides.
      When you try to answer, they may run into an unexpected person. wassat
      Questions are posed as in a known situation:
      "I'm asking you! Keep quiet !!!"
    25. Nina Zima
      Nina Zima 20 July 2014 21: 25
      0
      Comrade General Major, the girls are no longer naive. but I think there will be no answer to the letter of the Russian Defense Ministry to the clowns from Ukraine. I shout, and in response the silence ... barked ...
    26. Serrrrgo
      Serrrrgo 21 July 2014 12: 09
      0
      These are questions from those to which ours do not await an answer. From Kiev at least.
  2. Paradoxov
    Paradoxov 20 July 2014 09: 59
    +9
    Washington can ask the same 10, the result will be the same!

    Is it necessary to understand that when Kiev answers the questions of American military officials and politicians, he does not consider them foreign?

    It should!
  3. djtyysq
    djtyysq 20 July 2014 09: 59
    +6
    And what to answer? To tell the truth, put yourself in the grave, and so I sit, I am silent. guess for yourself!
    1. BIGLESHIY
      BIGLESHIY 20 July 2014 10: 27
      -4
      Quote: djtyysq
      And what to answer? To tell the truth, put yourself in the grave, and so I sit, I am silent. guess for yourself!

      See Serdyukov advises them.
      1. K-50
        K-50 20 July 2014 10: 51
        +6
        And Serdyukov? When you write, remember about the topic or on Serdyukov in the portrait touch?
        1. BIGLESHIY
          BIGLESHIY 20 July 2014 12: 21
          +3
          Quote: K-50
          And Serdyukov? When you write, remember about the topic or on Serdyukov in the portrait touch?


          Looks like you have no humor, no brain. I’m specially chewing for you.
          , and so I'm sitting, I'm silent. guess for yourself!
          - a direct analogy with the behavior of Serdyukov during interrogations in the UK.
          PSIf you do not understand something, then be careful with the comments so as not to pass for wassat
  4. asar
    asar 20 July 2014 10: 01
    +9
    A thousand questions - WHY! Even though the whole world knows the ANSWER! And he knows "customers" and "performers"! But it hurts too "great master!" Is it so great ?!
    1. spech
      spech 20 July 2014 10: 19
      +2
      looking for whom it is beneficial!
      1. Vik.Tor
        Vik.Tor 20 July 2014 10: 51
        +1
        And you don’t need it? Others will find out, but I’ll take a look.
    2. 97110
      97110 20 July 2014 11: 34
      +2
      Quote: asar
      Though the whole world knows the ANSWER!

      It seems so to you. We are not the whole world, unfortunately. The whole world, with a few exceptions, knows what he was allowed to know, i.e. that we are an evil empire.
  5. vvsz031249
    vvsz031249 20 July 2014 10: 02
    +10
    In Kiev, they have already announced that they are not going to answer questions from a representative of a foreign ministry of defense. Do I need to understand that when Kiev answers the questions of American military officials and politicians, he does not consider them foreign?

    But how can you dare a serf not to answer the owner ... A servant not only breaks his hat in front of the master, but also fulfills all his whims unconditionally ...
  6. Dezinto
    Dezinto 20 July 2014 10: 02
    +1
    there is no one to ask questions
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 20 July 2014 10: 26
      +4
      Quote: DEZINTO
      there is no one to ask questions

      Exactly! All questions to the State Department, or better immediately (and most accurate) to Israel ..! Here's a fantastic plan! We deliver Iskander missiles to Palestine Syria with our calculations ... I am sure everything will calm down in Syria and Ukraine at once and Obama will lift all the sanctions and will personally fly to Moscow on a friendly visit ... bully (and they won’t let them cross) And in Cuba, nothing needs to be placed ..)))
      1. 97110
        97110 20 July 2014 11: 40
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Right! All questions to the State Department or better immediately (and the most accurate) to Israel ..!

        I doubt it. Israel is the same project as Ukraine. They will calculate the balance, if it is profitable, then x with him, with Israel. Or do you think that the population of a country where "a quarter of our people" is so dear to people from the other pole of life? Don't tell me that all the Rockefellers and Rothschilds have served in the Israeli army, and that the future of the Western Wall means more to them than the CSU in Moscow, the Cologne Cathedral, ...
  7. Shaitan
    Shaitan 20 July 2014 10: 04
    +2
    Anatoly this Antonov, left a pleasant impression, looks like a decent person, there is no Serdyukovsky raid of impudent permissiveness. If there are such people in Moscow Region, then believe that everything is going according to plan!
  8. siberalt
    siberalt 20 July 2014 10: 04
    +5
    Questions are posed professionally competently. Nothing superfluous (unacceptable and irrelevant). Will experts answer them?
    1. coolvoldik
      coolvoldik 20 July 2014 18: 44
      0
      Imagine a maniac with a knife running around the city. Already cut - a man of 250-300 passers-by, of different ages and sex.
      And you, instead of dressing up the security forces to shoot him, send a psychologist to him with questions - "and it was convenient for you to cut there under the lantern" .... and ten more questions.
      Rave.! You have already received an answer about air conditioning, what else is needed?
  9. Basarev
    Basarev 20 July 2014 10: 04
    +1
    Now they will whine a lot. But still, the true culprit will become known. And this will greatly facilitate our task - the establishment of the truth about this terrifying disaster.
  10. MA TOF
    MA TOF 20 July 2014 10: 05
    +10
    Why is there no answer? Isn't intensifying the punitive operation the answer? To the noise of the Boeing, the ukrovoyaks are crushing Opochentsi, bombing and shelling cities and towns.
    Maybe it's time to stop stupid questions to ask, and DO something?
  11. mig31
    mig31 20 July 2014 10: 08
    +2
    The stall of State Department animals, to which human speech is unknown due to the lack of a language that was sold for bucks to the devil in the person of the United States ....
  12. bars280
    bars280 20 July 2014 10: 08
    +2
    The truth will come out sooner or later, but will come out !!! Awl in a bag you can’t hide
  13. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 20 July 2014 10: 08
    +31
    Any Svidomo Ukrainian will answer these questions instantly:

    1. Fools themselves!
    2. Fools themselves!
    3. We have nothing to do with it!
    4. Fools themselves!
    5. Fools themselves!
    6. Russia is to blame!
    7. Russia is to blame!
    8. Go to FIG!
    9. Go to FIG!
    10. Fools themselves!
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 20 July 2014 10: 48
      +5
      11. Sala Ukropine!
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 20 July 2014 11: 48
        +7
        12. Salo dropped
        1. Riperbahn
          Riperbahn 20 July 2014 12: 33
          +2
          13. Heroya salaaaaa !!!!
        2. Vitaly72
          Vitaly72 20 July 2014 14: 36
          +2
          which are not adroit
  14. Maksmith
    Maksmith 20 July 2014 10: 09
    +2
    The dirtiest, vilest and most monstrous methods of this "exclusive" nation (USA) are being used. Everything is being done to plunge the world into chaos "today", because "tomorrow" does not exist for them. And they understand it perfectly well. there will still be ...
    1. SSR
      SSR 20 July 2014 10: 35
      +3
      Quote: MakSmith
      The dirtiest, vilest and most monstrous methods of this "exclusive" nation (USA) are being used. Everything is being done to plunge the world into chaos "today", because "tomorrow" does not exist for them. And they understand it perfectly well. there will still be ...

      Moreover, the Russian Federation sympathizing with the militia is an aggressive, evil-doing country, and the pindbosn. I openly pouring loot and weapons into terrorists in Syria is democracy and the fact that in Syria civilian victims of hundreds of Boeing do not bother them. A remote country with the same methods.
  15. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 20 July 2014 10: 15
    +18
    In Kiev, they have already announced that they are not going to answer questions from a representative of a foreign ministry of defense. Do I need to understand that when Kiev answers the questions of American military officials and politicians, he does not consider them foreign?

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/449/tqab127.jpg
  16. ankh-andrej
    ankh-andrej 20 July 2014 10: 16
    -2
    From the category "quietly and peacefully with myself I am conducting a conversation." And who will listen to these questions?
  17. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 20 July 2014 10: 17
    +6
    What is the use of building baseless speculation based on speculation? It is imperative that our experts participate in the international commission so that there is no suppression of uncomfortable facts and interpretation of convenient facts in the right direction. In this story, few are interested in establishing the truth.
  18. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 20 July 2014 10: 18
    +15
    NOT in topic
    In one of the hotels in Turkish Kemer, a real battle took place between Ukrainian and Russian tourists, Russian.rt.com reports. Last night, after a dinner with libations, a group of people in Kiev started shouting “yak at yah!”. Nazi remarks displeased tourists from St. Petersburg “The scuffle was just heaven. They fought with sun loungers, chairs, drowned someone in the hotel pool. A large number of police cars arrived ”
    The Russians broke up so much that the British and Germans went on, the French fought on the side of the Russians, and Caucasians, Kazakhs, and Belarusian tourists also helped them. Now a tricolor has soared above the hotel.

    Source: http://politikus.ru/events/24830-v-turcii-podralis-russkie-i-ukrainskie-turisty.
    html
    Politikus.ru
    1. K-50
      K-50 20 July 2014 11: 00
      +3
      I cried when I read with laughter laughing wassat
    2. msd
      msd 20 July 2014 11: 01
      +2
      Now a tricolor has soared above the hotel.

      laughing good
    3. ankh-andrej
      ankh-andrej 20 July 2014 11: 19
      +4
      It is gratifying that even the French are for us.
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 20 July 2014 13: 26
        +4
        It is gratifying that even the French are for us
        However, the Germans raked again! wassat
        1. tanit
          tanit 20 July 2014 18: 09
          +2
          It’s not the first time for the Germans .... It is gratifying that the Angles were hung. laughing
    4. Rock2
      Rock2 21 July 2014 11: 37
      0
      That's what I think: why did Turkey decide to switch to settlements in national currencies with Russia !? wink
  19. Megazorg
    Megazorg 20 July 2014 10: 19
    +5
    They wanted to spit on these questions. And our Defense Ministry should not ask questions (this is the work of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs), but should be engaged in its own business — the defense of the country. That the attack will follow, I personally have no doubt.
  20. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 20 July 2014 10: 19
    +6
    Why did the Security Service of Ukraine start working with recordings of negotiations between Ukrainian dispatchers and the Boeing crew and with data from Ukrainian radars without international representatives?

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/731/axjd34.jpg
  21. 3vs
    3vs 20 July 2014 10: 23
    +8
    As I expected, it began:
    9. Why did the Security Service of Ukraine start working with the records of negotiations between Ukrainian dispatchers and the crew of the Boeing and with the data of Ukrainian radars without international representatives?

    It remains to plan to bang the dispatcher who led the Boeing.
    Witnesses (accomplices) are not left, or else they can tell too much.

    Great evidence, Ukrainians decided to destroy.
  22. shishakova
    shishakova 20 July 2014 10: 32
    +2
    Kiev authorities believe that they live in America. Is it too early ?!))
  23. Dave36
    Dave36 20 July 2014 10: 33
    -5
    I will answer the words of the classic .... You are to blame only for what I want to eat ......
    I don’t know Putin’s cunning plan ... but I know that Dimych has more eggs, because everyone promised to support Georgia in the conflict with Russia, but it turned out ....
    1. Albert1
      Albert1 22 July 2014 18: 47
      0
      When they made a decision on Georgia, neither Dimych nor Serdyuk could find ...
  24. Prutkov
    Prutkov 20 July 2014 10: 35
    +10
    Given the fact that a number of officials from other countries accuse Russia of the death of the plane, Russia has the right to demand that its representatives be included in the commission of inquiry.
  25. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 20 July 2014 10: 42
    -1
    I'd love that ukrovoyaki used to be performers. This would greatly contribute to the militias, and Russia needs to prove their guilt and how the kittens poke their faces in their own faces for a long time and with pleasure ... but. It would be more likely to have already been investigated, and it’s scary, because suddenly the militia has gone wrong.
  26. bender8282
    bender8282 20 July 2014 10: 43
    +1
    no one will answer! suggestive questions! everyone who knows how to think and analyze, while not dancing to Western songs, and so it is clear who hit !!
  27. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 20 July 2014 10: 47
    +5
    No one will answer. For Russia showed weakness, and the weak are beaten.
  28. Chaika
    Chaika 20 July 2014 10: 48
    +9
    Russia must launch criminal prosecution of those who accuse it of disaster over Donetsk
    Under such a heading is an article on Russian Spring.http: //rusvesna.su/news/1405807610 This is an analysis of the situation and the solution, by Yuri Krupnov, Chairman of the Supervisory Board of the Institute for Demography, Migration and Regional Development. Highly recommend to read
    And in general it’s enough to justify ourselves, they beat us anyway, it’s time to go on the offensive and let them justify themselves!
  29. Lukich
    Lukich 20 July 2014 10: 55
    +9
    Referring to the “super-authoritative publication” - the microblog Twitter of the so-called euromaidan, the Press of Ukraine portal comes out with a material that tells how the Buk complex was destroyed (attention!) And 8 GRU officers who were allegedly shot were shot and took part in the attack on the Malaysian Boeing. At the same time, the material is accompanied by a photo of people on the form of which is the “FSB” patch - apparently, the main “evidence” ...
    this is from another branch
  30. Andrew K
    Andrew K 20 July 2014 10: 55
    +1
    No wonder - these are rather rhetorical questions. It was foolish to think that they would be answered.
  31. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 July 2014 10: 56
    +9
    And no one suggested that the whole epic with Boeing could be just a sequence of stupid, unprofessional actions.
    Let's start with why deploy heavy and medium air defense systems against Novorossia, which has no aviation. The answer is that everyone gets "combat", awards and promotions, and we are on the sidelines. It is supposed to cover the military groupings with an air defense system. So move us closer. We will also be participants in the war. Okay, pushed in. And then what to do in the deployment area? That's right, drink vodka and simulate activity. Explosive mixture. So much for a false start. With disastrous results. Do you remember Chernobyl? Nobody wanted to blow up the reactor!
    And now piled up mountains of lies, one upon the other. BUKI near Dnepropetrovsk give out for Russian near Rostov. Just to hide the unsightly truth.
    That without any conspiracy. The dill army must be disarmed, as it is a danger to everything its arms reach.
    Which shoots when and wherever.
    1. shuhartred
      shuhartred 20 July 2014 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Which shoots when and wherever.

      Yes, if so. And then when and where it is not necessary. Suspiciously accurate miss.
    2. Motors1991
      Motors1991 20 July 2014 18: 00
      -1
      You write complete nonsense. I am certainly not an expert, as indeed everyone here, including the author of the questions, but I believe that if the liner enters the airspace of the country, the air defense system identifies it, classifies it and somehow labels it, after which it becomes The air defense of this state, by its own, and if someone wants to shoot at the plane with an intermittent or for some other good reason, the rocket will not fly into it, it will self-destruct, otherwise these airliners would not only bring down all over the world. Malaysian the plane flew all over Ukraine, the air defense system led it and for it it was its own, otherwise it was shot down earlier. On approaching Russia, the Russian air defense had to do the same as the Ukrainian air defense before, after that not from the Ukrainian Buk , it’s impossible to hit him from the Russian side even if the ZK had been captured by the militants from the Ukrainian army, his brains would have been Ukrainian and the rocket would not have flown towards the plane. I see two options: either the militants reprogrammed the complex, into which I don’t believe that either the Russian air defense, for some reason, did not identify the liner and for the Russian Buk it turned out to be a stranger, i.e. Ukrainian, which, after its destruction, the joyful Girkin-Kutuzov announced to the whole world. here the question arises, why did this happen and who needs it? Is it because of the gouging of specific individuals, again in my memory, except for Rust’s flight, I didn’t allow such “jambs”. Or, someone wanted to finally tear Russia away from the West and “give” it to China. In favor of my version is the fact that the Americans and Europeans are very cautious in imposing sanctions against Russia, they speak a lot and do little, the same Merkel led telephone with Putin to the last Negotiations. And the influential KTO-TO, by destroying the aircraft, decided to cut off all routes to the West for Putin, after which Russia will have to, on friendly terms, be friends with China and sit with him in the same boat in all future conflicts, with the younger partner that the Chinese BOSS will order it and will do as they say: Who pays, that girl also dances. And do not forget China has claims to a tenth of the territory of Russia, he has his own ideas about ,, historical justice ,,
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 20 July 2014 18: 48
        +3
        Quote: Motors1991
        You write complete nonsense.


        I disagree. As a little familiar with military air defense. There is no classification of goals there. This is the air defense of the ground forces, i.e. direct cover on the battlefield. When they are involved, there is no time for classification. Maximum is the "friend or foe" system. But in addition to this, you also need to know which channel it is working on at the moment (it was either 5 at Shilka, or 4 served for a long time). During the entire service, they used it once at the training ground, and then he himself asked which channel to determine, and still acted on command.
        1. Motors1991
          Motors1991 20 July 2014 21: 21
          -3
          Actually, I do not pretend to the truth in the last resort, since it is very far from air defense, but you must admit, Buk will be cooler than Shilka, and his calculation simply must clearly separate his friend or foe, otherwise he will bring everyone down over the battlefield. in the Kremlin, there was a “provost” group of influential people (FSB, political scientists, diverse party members, economists like Glazyev) who changed the vector of development of the Russian Federation from West to East (read Chinese), I bet there are almost no people associated with industry in it no, i.e., in essence, these are doctrinaires who do not have a clue how the real economy functions, but for some reason they think they understand and know how to lead. They remind me of our party functionaries, from the times of the USSR. So these people it’s possible to dose information, to create the image of the enemy not only among the population, but also among senior management. We are always presented with the idea that in Russia Putin has the last word, that he alone decides everything, in fact it never happens, always a “court clique” is being formed, as a former director I can confirm this, this very clique blows into the cartridge’s ears the necessary information, far from always, the real and necessary, it all depends on the professionalism of the environment, you can see Putin’s surroundings - there are NO professionals. people didn’t succeed with the West, the West is pragmatic and does not like adventurers, now they are trying to saddle the Chinese dragon, for this they shot down a Malaysian airliner to cut off Putin’s all roads to the West, I note one of the daughters of the GDP lives in the Netherlands. Add, the war in Ukraine Lubyanka leads. Girkin, Borodai, Bezler (Bes) are all the Lubyanka troops and they will create the picture they need for you, after which you will all cry together: Death to dill.
          1. cat hippopotamus
            cat hippopotamus 21 July 2014 00: 04
            +1
            Motors well, you're talking blatant nonsense. Are you all made up by zombies? Or you are a troll. What a Lubyanka, frank fascists and criminals have come to power that carry out all the instructions of the CIA and the US State Department, you are so naive that you don’t see how your warriors bomb peaceful cities and kill civilians. Those same local men took up arms and defend themselves. And it is their right where and with whom to live, it is their land and their ancestors rest there. And the fact that they do not want to live under the Bandera fascists is the problem of the Bandera fascists. And the Southeast will never live with this power. After what they have done here is only one way out - to live separately. And no one is going to leave for Russia because it is their land and your Svidomo slow-witted people do not understand that they are at home and protect their home.
      2. cat hippopotamus
        cat hippopotamus 20 July 2014 22: 49
        0
        Motors you have a really poor understanding of the airspace system, because you have not encountered these. There is a network of civilian dispatchers through the wire of civilian aircraft throughout the territory, these are points of objective control, dispatchers directly navigate the ship along strictly designated corridors and keep in touch with the crew escorting him to the border of a neighboring state. Then it takes a new dispenser and leads on. At the same time, the dispatcher, accompanied by the sides, sees on the radar screens, leads several boards and leads along the corridor indicating the level of the echelon in order to prevent collision with oncoming flights. The military also has its own observation posts and they monitor the entire situation in the area entrusted to them and carry combat duty with anti-aircraft missile regiments. As a former air defense worker, I can say one thing, unnoticed in such conditions where it is impossible to fly through the air from two sides. Moreover, civilian flights fly along strictly designated corridors and it is always under control. Therefore, if an emergency occurs in the zone of its flight, then the means of objective control will detect this. The only question is whether the Ukrainian authorities will give out the results of the observation of this unfortunate Boeing.
  32. Solovyov
    Solovyov 20 July 2014 11: 00
    +9
    http://el-murid.livejournal.com/1934108.html
    "... British Prime Minister David Cameron said that responsibility for the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777 in Ukraine will fall on Russia if the guilt of the militias in the tragedy is proven ..."
    Curiously, there are no other “ifs” for Cameron. Despite the fact that an international commission has not yet been created, an investigation has not been carried out, there are no results - the guilt of Russia is beyond doubt. Apparently, if in the end it turns out that Ukraine was shot down, it will simply be forgiven. As with the previous aircraft. It's a matter of everyday life.

    With all this, Moscow’s slurredness continues to amaze. Avakov yesterday repeated Deschitsy’s feat, using profanity in relation to Russia, but Russia is not the president, it is not said anywhere that it is not allowed to insult her.

    Russia stubbornly plays an imposed game, reducing all its statements to the theme "This is not us." The officials in charge of the Ukrainian problem have completely ruined the situation and seem to have fallen into complete prostration, moving by inertia. The provocation with "Boeing" requires a fundamentally different approach - refusal to follow the theme of "Who shot down". The classic method of demagoguery is to accuse the interlocutor of something very absurd and force him to wash himself. Even if there are spoons, the sediment will remain.

    Nevertheless, everything continues in the same order. The situation has reached the highest level and requires not indistinct statements by deputy ministers, but a clear and clear statement from the president. Which is again mysteriously silent. If the whole cunning plan is to create a cozy nest under the couch with the inscription "I see nothing, hear nothing, I'm in the house", then maybe just instruct someone else to do this plan? So that there are no illusions, who is the boss in this situation?

    The sequence of actions by the West is already approximately clear - the introduction of a peacekeeping contingent to the East. Repetition of Yugoslavian scenarios, when peacekeepers clearly stumped one of the parties, putting it before a choice - either to accept the enemy's ultimatums, or to risk starting a war with the peacekeepers - which automatically made it an enemy of all "civilized humanity."

    The internationalization of the conflict is a practically settled issue. At the same time, we will not be given the opportunity even to repeat the "attack on Pristina" - until Russia is cleansed of suspicions of terrorism or supporting "terrorists", it will not be allowed to participate in the peacekeeping operation. In other words, the occupation of the DPR and LPR by foreign contingents is being prepared (apparently, it was not for nothing that the topic of Poland and the Balts came up). The fact that the warriors of them are not very - is not fundamental. Their main protection will be NATO, which guarantees the infliction of any strikes on the militia in the event of opening fire on these same peacekeepers.

    The weak hope that Russia could block the creation of a peacekeeping contingent in the Security Council looks silly - that means they will introduce OSCE peacekeepers. Or NATO.

    The continuation of the former cowardly policy of KhPP means a radical change in the situation on our borders in the coming weeks. The army of Ukraine and the completely insane population of Ukraine will consider themselves winners and require their leadership to continue the banquet. Leadership, which has no money for a peaceful life, will gladly meet the aspirations of the people. Moreover, it is clear where exactly you need to go.

    The problem is not that the militia continues to fight off the punishers with great difficulty. The problem is that even having fought back, it will not be able to fight the entire "civilized" world, which has groped the weak spot of the DPR and LPR - traitors on the eastern side of the border. No local or even large-scale victories over punishers can replace this critical vulnerability.
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 20 July 2014 11: 33
      +3
      Solovyov
      It’s a little bit wrong, neither the OSCE, nor NATO, without a UN mandate, can introduce a peacekeeping contingent if there is no UN decision, this can only be done on a 2-sided basis, that is, Baderastan (used Ukraine) will be agreed with by someone from NATO or all of NATO, but there is one detail here, because Russia understands and the whole world understands that there are 2 ways for Russia to either give up right away or start acting in the east. How: 1 we did not officially recognize the authority of PARASHanko, so their request is not legitimate. 2 We recognize Novorosiya and begin to help her with money and volunteers. I think that there are no fools in the West, it’s one thing to slander and fight another thing, it’s not Yugoslavia and Russia is no longer EBNovskaya.
      1. fedulov_e
        fedulov_e 20 July 2014 18: 26
        +1
        NATO doesn't give a damn about mandates.
        NATO troops are already in Odessa.
        And in New Russia, foreigners have long been beaten.
    2. Deff
      Deff 20 July 2014 12: 27
      +2
      In my opinion, it makes no difference who hit!

      I wonder over whose territory (which state) the Boeing flew?
      Who dispatched the flight?
      Who allowed civilian flights in the ATO zone?
      Who is responsible for transit flights over their territory?
      Which country receives money for transit?
      The world would be interested in who would bring down a similar flight to Chechnya during the war if Russia allowed such a thing there?
      1. Motors1991
        Motors1991 20 July 2014 18: 07
        0
        Look at the liner's route, it’s on the road, there’s more than one hot spot, just to the militants there’s nothing more powerful than MANPADS. If the Chechens had Buki and they knew how to use them, they would surely fill up someone. we don’t know how many international lines cross the Caucasus. There are more than three hundred through Ukraine.
  33. MSA
    MSA 20 July 2014 11: 04
    +1
    Let’s see what will happen next if everyone again slows down and there is no objective investigation, even if the leadership of the states whose people have died didn’t insist on it, is there any point in talking further with someone if such an exchange has begun.
  34. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 20 July 2014 11: 05
    +2
    Of course, the questions posed are as specific as possible. And if someone in Kiev seriously tries to answer them, they will "float" like a poor student after an unlearned lesson. But this, most likely, will not happen, because Kiev is assigned the role of a stupid performer who is afraid not of the world community, but of his master - the United States.
    The beginning and the investigation itself will drag out as long as possible.
  35. K-50
    K-50 20 July 2014 11: 05
    +6
    Australia threatened not to let Putin to the G20 summit
    http://top.rbc.ru/politics/20/07/2014/937616.shtml
    And these mongrel podzaborny all blather.
    It seems to me that the Third World War should happen, it’s necessary to kill all the arrogant sexes so that this infection does not spread around the world anymore.
  36. Markov
    Markov 20 July 2014 11: 06
    +3
    Gentlemen from the EU, are you ready to take responsibility for the death of 298 people from a Ukrainian missile (I am sure this will be proved by an objective investigation) or are you hiding? This is what kind of bastardism one must possess in order to accuse Russia without conducting an investigation. Or you are not respected gentlemen acting on the principle of the best defense is an attack.
  37. pvv113
    pvv113 20 July 2014 11: 09
    +8
    Is it necessary to understand that when Kiev answers the questions of American military officials and politicians, he does not consider them foreign?

    For Kiev, these are not foreigners, but HOSYAEVA hi
  38. Markov
    Markov 20 July 2014 11: 13
    +2
    ... and yet, and perhaps committing a heinous crime against innocent passengers, the nonhumans who committed it were a little mistaken in time - after all, the plane almost reached the airspace of Russia. Imagine what a howl would rise ...
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 20 July 2014 12: 06
      +1
      I watched once a program about a Boeing 777, it was said that this plane could fly another 150-200 km without engines, since the marching speed was like 950 km / h. And it seems to me that the dill was counting on this, but the brains were mercilessly ... on the Maidan, to think of how much an entire plane would fly, and a broken one would have a shorter fall path because of the sharply increased aerodynamic drag, they did not guess. He was probably blown away if not yet in the Dnipropetrovsk region, but still far from the positions of the DPR and LPR.
  39. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 20 July 2014 11: 13
    +6
    ".. Tears of affection appear when you read 10" terrible "questions from the Russian Ministry of Defense to the Ukrainian side on the Boeing-777 crash, when you hear Lavrov's threatening 1020th statement.
    It is obvious that the state machine does not work and this threatens the country with death ... "

    This I took lines from an article that appeared on the site "Russian Spring".
    20.07.2014/2/06 - XNUMX:XNUMX. "Russia should launch criminal prosecution of those who accuse it of the catastrophe over Donetsk"
    I suggest that the editors urgently reprint it on the VO website. I completely agree with the author, except for certain points, but I will not discuss them now.

    Meaning - the United States has unambiguously and already in February declared war on us.
    ".. As before, all attention is directed to clarifying the question of what" really "happened to the Boeing, to responding to accusations and provocations about this circumstance, in fact, to endless excuses from the Russian side: not we, they say, they did it, "I am innocent!" ...
    WE CONTINUE - EXPERIENCE. And remember how we conducted the bombing exercises near Ukraine, and at that time the junta also bombed near the city of Donbass and everything continues again - and today we are talking about Russia's right to sovereignty.
    "... we hear numerous accusations against militias and Russia from Australia, Great Britain, Lithuania. All this is recorded in official documents .."
    ".. We must not make excuses and fantasize about an 'objective investigation', but organize a criminal prosecution of every person who dared to accuse, even indirectly, Russia. Everyone who has already brought charges against Russia should become involved in the opened criminal cases ..."
    Here they are words to action, but ... again we doubt to see. In order for the Russian-Medved to drive him out of the den, it is necessary that the fire was probably burning at his place.
    And here is our answer to this monstrous American company - a list that is presented to us in the Russian media as something terrible for the United States - and even I laugh at it, so what about the State Department, which WANTS.
    Being funny doesn't mean being wise..
    If the United States so wants to start a war, then there is no way to leave it and only Kiev is ahead. Kiev must be returned - since Poland, the USA, Great Britain and the Kiev Maidan insist on this - and sweep all American husk out of the borders of New Russia. This will happen sooner or later and Strelkov is right.
    It is time for a military man in Russia to say a hard word - a word for liberation from the American occupation in both Russia and New Russia.
    "... We need a sharp, instant reversal - no matter how impossible .."
    At one time, Gorbachev carried out perestroika and sold the USSR at retail and wholesale to transnational companies of Jews, and such like Makarevich at that time washed the "brain" of the gullible people - after all, "the Russian does not give up Russian" and they sang songs about patriotism, as everything is fine in the USA, and here the USSR is a dictatorship and therefore bad. And now we know RUSSIAN RUSSIAN will surrender if he is the last S.V.L.O.CH.L. And it seems to breed well in greenhouse conditions, and in combat conditions it immediately begins to die out or run across to secluded BACKS.
    1. Tanechka-clever
      Tanechka-clever 20 July 2014 11: 24
      +4
      Quote: Tanya-umunechka
      when you hear the terrible 1020th statement of Lavrov

      And so already Avakov demonstrates that you can sneeze on Russians
      ".. The Minister of Internal Affairs of the Kiev junta, Arsen Avakov, in response to the recommendation to Ukraine from the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry Sergei Lavrov to start negotiations with the DPR and LPR, sent the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry" to f * cking mother. "
      Read on the website "Russian Spring"
      20.07.2014/11/15 - XNUMX:XNUMX Avakov publicly sent Lavrov to the "motherfucker"

      What else is needed to accept the challenge - the United States.
      1. snifer
        snifer 20 July 2014 11: 46
        +2
        need eggs, normal such iron eggs.
        1. Deff
          Deff 20 July 2014 12: 42
          +3
          Quote: snifer
          need eggs, normal such iron eggs.

          Apparently to Putin, a couple of weeks before the referendum, the LPR-DPR were strongly threatened, after which the words with "Novorossiya" disappeared from his speeches and a "cunning strategic" silence and foreign policy politics began. From time to time, the States remind us that they will ban one account, or jail another son, let me remind you that Putin has two daughters.
  40. Dalmatia
    Dalmatia 20 July 2014 11: 21
    +2
    Good afternoon!
    If Russia and the militias are not involved in this event, then really can the Russian military department not provide documentary evidence of innocence? Or is it not time and place?
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 20 July 2014 11: 42
      +3
      ".. is it really possible that the Russian military department cannot provide documentary evidence of non-involvement? Or is it not the time and place yet?"
      I’m afraid that, like the entire vertical of power of the RF Ministry of Defense, there has long been a little competent bunch of cheap careerists, who for the most part assented to the stool, when he was falling apart with the Armed Forces and now, under Shoigu, they only pretend that they can do something, while asking stupid questions embarrassing themselves and the whole country. If there is nothing to show the world, then better keep silent.
  41. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 July 2014 11: 25
    +3
    Yes, ask them at least 20 questions. will be to blame for "m.skali".
    The fact that they shot down a U.Kry plane is already clear. Our experts conducted a study of audio recordings presented by amers and ukram, supposedly as evidence. you all probably heard comments (fabricated from several pieces, moreover, it was done a day before the plane was shot down.
    God grant that Europe does not fall for Amer’s hands. An independent investigation (hopefully) will answer all questions.
  42. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 July 2014 11: 34
    +1
    Let them first lay out their trump cards. What if there is something else besides a rocket? Fighters, for example.
  43. miv110
    miv110 20 July 2014 11: 39
    +3
    From RUSSIA they are once again and quite cleverly sculpt an "evil empire" see http://marina-yudenich.livejournal.com, soon a person with Russian citizenship will automatically become a criminal and the source of all the troubles of the West. When will we be able to resist this dirty propaganda! As long as they will roll us in the mud, and we will only wipe ourselves off!
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 20 July 2014 14: 34
      0
      Above sounds only in response to accusations bu-mu. And soon someone will answer from the top to the citizens of Russia for the fact that we are spat and humiliated.
  44. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 20 July 2014 11: 40
    0
    Here the Old Man is so cool .. I’d take and bast some brigade in Ukraine .. there are missiles .. (he’s been in sanctions for a long time) He’s afraid .. like the others .. If Russia falls to you all they’ll really kill the khan (or yourself each other most likely) .. Friends are in trouble!
  45. Solovyov
    Solovyov 20 July 2014 11: 44
    +1
    Quote: stranik72
    Solovyov
    It’s a little bit wrong, neither the OSCE, nor NATO, without a UN mandate, can introduce a peacekeeping contingent if there is no UN decision, this can only be done on a 2-sided basis, that is, Baderastan (used Ukraine) will be agreed with by someone from NATO or all of NATO, but there is one detail here, because Russia understands and the whole world understands that there are 2 ways for Russia to either give up right away or start acting in the east. How: 1 we did not officially recognize the authority of PARASHanko, so their request is not legitimate. 2 We recognize Novorosiya and begin to help her with money and volunteers. I think that there are no fools in the West, it’s one thing to slander and fight another thing, it’s not Yugoslavia and Russia is no longer EBNovskaya.

    At EBN there was at least a march to Pristin. And about the UN mandate to enter or not to enter, this is not even funny.
  46. demotivator
    demotivator 20 July 2014 11: 51
    +2
    10 questions to Kiev from the Russian Ministry of Defense regarding the downed Boeing remain unanswered
    It would be strange if these replies came from Kiev. When the Ukrainian air defense in 2001. shot down the Russian TU 154, even if there are completely obvious facts confirming that this is the work of Ukraine, and then, its then president, Kuchma, with a brazen grin, unlocked to the last. And this is when they are called caught by the hand. But now it became clear why the Ukrainian authorities and their American partners shot down the Malaysian Boeing. In the near future, Ukraine plans to declare universal mobilization. As you know, general mobilization is not ATO, it is war, and in the absence of external aggression such decisions are not taken in a matter of days.
    Thus, there is no doubt that this event was planned in advance, and the successful interception of the Malaysian Boeing from Poltava was carried out in order to ensure the international legitimization of such a strange decision. In connection with the leak of facts concerning the true background of the story with the passenger liner, the delay in death is similar.
    No matter how carefully the killing of 298 people was prepared, the investigation of the incident may raise questions that Kiev does not have satisfactory answers, and then the Europeans will not fork out, despite the death of their fellow countrymen.
  47. bergberg
    bergberg 20 July 2014 11: 53
    +6
    According to the latest data from space reconnaissance, the missiles of the Buk complex were launched from the territory of Ukraine controlled by the fascist nationalist army of Ukraine. The complexes were supplied from one Baltic country with Australian money. The launch was led by representatives of the American intelligence services. The Russian people are outraged by the valuable actions of America and their NATO subordinates, the destruction of civilians and their defenders. The entire world society should show complete contempt and boycott of Western imperiolism in the person of the EU and NATO. PEOPLE-WORLD let us spit in the direction of western akupants and show them world-wide contempt "UUU S ..... ki!
    1. boozer
      boozer 20 July 2014 21: 37
      +1
      Yes, it's time to declare mattresses neo-fascists and instigators of wars and murders of citizens!
  48. Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 July 2014 11: 56
    +2
    Quote: miv110
    RUSSIA once again and quite cleverly sculpt an "evil empire"

    Let them sculpt, not the first time, wash off, but then who will rake the answer?
  49. sever.56
    sever.56 20 July 2014 11: 58
    +3
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/170/nddu733.jpg
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 20 July 2014 15: 40
      0
      I support you completely, but after reading a veteran it somehow becomes uncomfortable. It seems like a man, like a patriot, but his mood is not worse.
      This is me to the fact that saliva is the destiny of amers! We have a classic foreign policy. And not always, far from always it is necessary to wave a saber! If you already waved, how many corpses from Ukraine have already been brought!
  50. Andrey82
    Andrey82 20 July 2014 11: 58
    +6
    In the meantime, I would recommend that our Defense Ministry and all officers and soldiers prepare for the defense of Russia in conditions when "our everything" will be cowardly silent and shake further and completely withdraw itself from the defense of the country, which we have been observing all recent months.

    The internationalization of the conflict is a practically settled issue. At the same time, we will not be given the opportunity even to repeat the "attack on Pristina" - until Russia is cleansed of suspicions of terrorism or supporting "terrorists", it will not be allowed to participate in the peacekeeping operation. In other words, the occupation of the DPR and LPR by foreign contingents is being prepared (apparently, it was not for nothing that the topic of Poland and the Balts came up). The fact that the warriors of them are not very - is not fundamental. Their main protection will be NATO, which guarantees the infliction of any strikes on the militia in the event of opening fire on these same peacekeepers.

    The weak hope that Russia could block the creation of a peacekeeping contingent in the Security Council looks silly - that means they will introduce OSCE peacekeepers. Or NATO.

    The continuation of the former cowardly policy of KhPP means a radical change in the situation on our borders in the coming weeks. The army of Ukraine and the completely insane population of Ukraine will consider themselves winners and require their leadership to continue the banquet. Leadership, which has no money for a peaceful life, will gladly meet the aspirations of the people. Moreover, it is clear where exactly you need to go.

    http://el-murid.livejournal.com/