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Reports from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich 19-20 July 2014 of the year

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Yesterday at 10: 39


Message from journalists

"The leadership of the Donetsk People's Republic announced the confiscation of the property of the governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igor Kolomoisky located on the territory of the DPR."

Yesterday at 12: 54

Comments from I. I. Strelkova


“Bravura messages ... how they got!” The militia wins !!! ”... aha ... two times ... One to one, the situation with Slavyansk is repeated (but on a much larger scale) the enemy, moving step by step , "cuts" us communication, and in "twitter" sounds "All is well, beautiful marquise!".
Yesterday, the enemy cut the last main highway connecting Donetsk with Lugansk and, accordingly, with Russia. The enemy strongholds are now located in the villages of Beloye and Veselaya Tarasovka. Now ukry hastily bury a few dozen in the ground tanks and BMP, to exclude the possibility of a breakthrough defense.
Now it will begin again in the comments on all resources: “Igor Ivanovich was sad” with a hint - that everything is “not so bad”. Everything is very bad !!! Tactical victories in secondary areas cannot change the strategic situation and the results of strategic defeats! And the surrender of the White and the Merry Tarasovka is precisely a strategic defeat on our scale!
Now we are cut off from the border - that is, from any supply.
At night, the enemy passed through the Thin to the Donetsk airport, creating a network of strong points, each of which is protected by 5-7 tanks.
Just three "drying" bombed on Saur-Mogile with heavy bombs. The results are not yet known. "Boeing" is used ukraine "to the fullest" ... Aviation ukrov dominates the sky with complete impunity.
In the area of ​​Grigorovka, the militia struck at an enemy convoy. We specify the results. "

- Comrade Minister of Defense, maybe it's time to announce a general mobilization?

I. I .: "Do you personally highlight the automata, uniform, shoes, transport, money and food, and a thousand more necessary things? Then I’m ready to announce in an hour ... We have no volunteers to arm, but you" mo-bi -Or-for-ration! "

Yesterday at 13: 21

Morning summary from the field


"The first half of the night passed in a relative lull on all fronts. By morning it began.
In Svetlichny in 04: 00 (local), shelling began. After a short artillery preparation, a fierce battle started at the crossing. An attempt to take the crossing in vain did not succeed, and after half an hour the dill artillery resumed its work.
Smoke is still rising over the Lisichansk refinery.
In 05: 00 (locations), shelling of Lysychansk began from Varvarovka, around 05: 30 on the outskirts was heard the work of the machine gun.
In Lysychansk an infrequent cannonade is heard, by this hour (10: 30 MSC) it continues.
Around 06: 00 in the morning was movement in the Popas turn.
Yesterday, two spotters were captured in Lugansk, their fate is not enviable.
10: 35 (MSC) In the area of ​​Old Krasnyanka - Gorny, automatic shooting is heard.
11: 00 (MSC) Belogorovka, Serebryanka - breaks are heard, work KPVT, artillery.
11: 10 (MSC) A large column of armored vehicles is moving towards Lysychansk from Seversk, 10 MLRS (BM-21) is seen in the column.
12: 05 (MSC) In the direction of the Snow are drying, according to unspecified data, to the squadron. Under Georgievka (LNR) there are fights.
12: 30 (ISC). From the side of Staraya Krasnyanka, dills are attacked with MLRS at Lisichansk, at the refinery, and artillery strikes are fired at Sirotino. In Lugansk shelling started.
13: 00 (ISC) A second column of black smoke appeared above the refinery, punitive attacks continue. Receives information about the possible art of dill in Zimogorye and Lozovsky.
13: 05 (MSC) There is a shelling of a White-Elephant Roadblock.

Yesterday at 14: 10

Message from Bezler's squad


“In Artyomovsk, 2 of the Ukrainian roadblock was destroyed along with the National Guard under the militants, the fighting continues. In the 6 area, morning, Kiev time (7: 00 Moscow time), local residents were awakened by strong explosions. Near the morning, 7 continued shelling with a new force. "2 roadblock: turn to Popasnaya and away from the city, after which they swept. The enemy's manpower, armored vehicles, and fuel trucks were destroyed. No one was at the posts. After the appearance of this report, artillery duels began again in the vicinity of Artyomovs and, in a tank base area heard explosions. "

Yesterday at 14: 19

Overview of the combat situation from the militia Prokhorov


"Yes, ukrov had small tactical successes, which are now being neutralized.

Popasnaya not taken - the battalion of mercenaries "Donbass" recognized 2 "200" and 13 "300" - in fact, an order of magnitude more.

Lugansk under the control of the LC completely. Now there is another shelling of the airfield and a battle with. Georgievka. Twenty minutes ago, skirmishes resumed in the area of ​​the village. Jubilee and with. Sabovka.

In Donetsk Sands fired from Grad from the side with. Thin. "

Yesterday at 14: 57

Report of the press service of the Lugansk city council


Lugansk: according to updated data, 16 died over the past day, 66 civilians were injured.
July 18 on the territory of the regional center situation was extremely tense. As a result of constant shelling of the city, 16 (3 women, 13 men) civilians were killed, and 66 Luhansk residents were injured.
Under the artillery shelling during the day came the territory:
- Artyomovsky district - st. Agrarian, 2a, apt. Olkhovsky, 8, 2-i Red Banner, 30, st. Wizard, 10, st. Victorious, 1, st. Victorious, 19, apt. Leninsky Komsomol, d. 3,4, st. 18-th Party Exit, 60, st. Limy, 42, a, st. Red Banner, 11.
- Zhovtnevogo area - st. Karl Marx, 2, apt. 50 October (area of ​​the cafe "Marika"), square. Volkova, 12, apt. 44, ap. Gagarin, 24, apt. Sunny, 14a, apt. Sunny, 23, ap. Volkova, d. 9,10,12, q. Volkova, 8, apt. Sunny, 18, 19, apt. Gagarin, 24, 27, apt. Vatutina, 27a, 27b, st. Galitsky (settlement OR) between Chernyakhovskaya and Dzhambul.
- Kamennobrodsky district - st. Sovnarkomovskaya, 68, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, 3, ul. Veselogorovskaya, 10, st. Pirogov, 7, st. Serafimovich, near the intersection of Dunaevsky, Lenin Square, 1, st. Stanislavsky, 68, st. Relev, 79.
- Leninsky district - st. Frunze, 2, Sovetskaya, 66, Karl Marx, 30.
As a result, 36 damage to residential buildings and objects was recorded:
- in Artyomovsky district 10, namely: st. Agrarian, 2a, apt. Olkhovsky, 8 (projectile hit the roof of the house, plates hang over the 3 entrance), ul. 2-i Red Banner, 30 (direct hit of a projectile in a house, 8 floor is damaged, windows are broken), st. Victorious, 1, st. Victorious, 19, apt. Leninsky Komsomol, d. 3,4, st. 18-th Party Exit, 60, st. Limy, 42, a, st. Red Banner, 11);
- in Kamennobrodsky district 9 (Sovnarkomovskaya St., 68, Zoyi Kosmodemyanskaya St., 3, Serafimovich St. (near the Dunaevsky 4 crossroad damaged by shells), Lenin Square, 1 (broken windows, people with heart, X-ray glass, broken, shells), St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, 16 (out of the window 68) (direct hit to the house, the gas pipe is damaged), Relev St., 79);
- in Leninsky district 3 (Frunze str., 2 (projectile hit the first and third floors), Sovetskaya str., 66 (getting into the garage with a car, windows are broken in the house), Karl Marx str., 30 (direct hit of a projectile, broken windows, destroyed the roof);
- in Zhovtnevy district 14 (Karl Marx str., 2 (Bird store)), Volkov quarter, 12, 44 quarter, Gagarin quarter, 24 (kindergarten No.113, blast-shattered windows), Sunny square, 23b (kindergarten №106, glass was broken in the building), Volkov quarter, 9,10,12 village (broken windows), Volkov square, 8, Solnechny square, 18, 19, Gagarin square, 24, 27, Vatutin square , 27a, 27b (pharmacy pharmacy was destroyed).
10 fires identified, including: st. Lineva, 99, 10 floor, 3 lane, Leninsky, 7,5, ul. Lutuginskaya, 1, Shchorsa, 26, st. Tukhachevsky (burned garage), st. Galitsky, 145, st. Production, 1, st. Pirogov, 20 (ignition of the roof), st. Broken, d. 6, 8, st. Krasnodonskaya, 7е, OKKO gas station. The fires are eliminated.
The shelling of the city is still the main cause of damage and emergency shutdowns of the life support systems of the regional center. So, on the morning of July 18 almost 85% of the regional center was de-energized as a result of the shelling and damage of the Kirov substation in the Kamennobrodsky district. Due to the lack of electricity, the pumping stations stopped their work and the water supply stopped. Supply of electricity and water to the regional center restored.

Civilians continue to die in the regional center. During the exacerbation of the situation, Luhansk residents lost 60 citizens: mothers, sisters, children, husbands, fathers. Just yesterday, July 18, 16 died innocent people.
“Citizens are dying on the streets, in their yards and homes. Every new day now brings only death and destruction. These terrible events painfully respond in souls of Luhansk residents. The city and its inhabitants mourn the dead and will be in mourning until the bloodshed stops in Lugansk, ”said Lugansk city mayor Sergey Kravchenko.
He expressed his condolences to the families and friends of the victims.

Yesterday at 15: 20

The head of the press service of the militia in Severodonetsk spoke about the situation in the area of ​​the city


18 + Shelling the neighborhoods of Severodonetsk - the junta did not hide their crimes.
By Poroshenko’s order, Lysychansk-Severodonetsku was hit by artillery. In the vicinity of Severodonetsk, horrible traces of punitive crimes of the Kiev junta are visible everywhere. The bodies of killed civilians, destroyed burning buildings testify to the ruthlessness of the puppets of the West.

We ask publicity!





Yesterday at 15: 47

Comments and answers I. And Strelkova


- What does it mean you are cut off from the border? ... Donetsk will defend itself.

II: “I do not consider it necessary to comment on the nonsense of amateur. Let me just say that wars are not won by passive defense and continuous retreats. As the territory narrows, our resources will decrease and desertion will increase. On the one hand. And on the other, artillery density will increase enemy fire. By the way, Amvrosiivka has long and firmly been in the hands of ukrov. "

- Yasnogorka, Kramatorsk. There is a forced mobilization of ukroarmiya, in the form of raids, 18 - 50, polls.

I. I .: "First of all! Stay there ... Now to the front — with us, the militia, to fight ... And what did you want?"

- Sorry, Igor Ivanovich, but they are now on Yasnogorka walking with machine guns, in the form of raids. Who's stopping you from doing that?

I. I .: "And the fact that we came to protect these people, and not force us to drive to the war for" beloved ones ", prevented us from doing raids.

- I was hoping that the cauldron at the border, a retreat from Lugansk, the loss of American and Bandera columns of equipment and vehicles - is the beginning of a victory over them.

I. I .: “They hoped in vain. The junta cleverly creates the impression of its“ weakness ”and“ readiness for negotiations, ”but in reality the military buildup is being conducted continuously ... And they are going to fight“ to the bitter end ”so that, having defeated the militia, an experienced and victorious army to win the Crimea. "

Yesterday at 16: 40

Summary from I. I. Strelkov


“According to recent reports, heavy battles are going on in Lugansk, in the settlement of Yubileyny. The enemy advanced by the advance tank group to the Lugansk-Krasny Luch route in the area of ​​Lutugino. Another road was cut.

In Lisichansk Brain under the threat of complete encirclement in the city.

Our enemy is pulling troops towards the “corridor” at Marinovka. Suitable 51-I brigade. Today, “stray” BMP of the 72 Brigade jumped into our positions there. I managed to leave, despite the two hits from the PTR. From the armor "removed" two. One was killed, the second (wounded) was taken prisoner. He turned out to be from the 1 Company of the 1 Battalion of the 72 Brigade. He said that most soldiers in their company are sure that they will win soon.

Marinovka shelling artillery. Our response is to fire at enemy positions at Grigorovka.
On the remaining sections of the shootout and reconnaissance actions. "

Yesterday at 17: 17

Comments from I. I. Strelkova


"I read the comments on my summary on" Svidomo "resources ... M-yes-aaa ... what a terrible and massive monkey squeal of joy and hatred ... Abundantly flavored with obscenities and the dirtiest" near-genital "epithets. And these are people ? It seems that a significant part of the so-called "Ukrainians" made a lobotomy for the entry into "Evropu" ...
What can I say ... if ukry do not understand the difference between a sober assessment of the situation (really heavy) and "panic", then these are their problems. I am not writing for them. "

- People are different in Crimea. Even if (purely theoretically) the Russian Federation will merge us, then the militia of two with pennies of millions of Crimeans will go more than from 6 millions of residents of the DPR and the LPR.

I. I .: “Yes, I saw your people ... personally ... If it were not for the Russian army, everything would be the same ... the same militia of several thousand during the rest of the“ sofa patriots. ”That is, they began to fight 5 percent would be like here. And bragging, sitting quietly behind the Russian Marines, is easier than the easy. Show your heroic valor - come here and teach the local to fight! "

Yesterday at 17: 45

Message from the representative of the LNR press service Alexey Toporov


The militia blocked the Ukrainian military at the airport of Lugansk. A spokesman for the government of the LPR, Alexei Toporov, said that the enemy was “in ticks”.

Ukrainian army continues to attack Lugansk. Now battles are taking place in the vicinity of Georgievsk, and fierce clashes continue around Alexandrovka.

“The forces of the enemy are taken into ticks,” said Axov. - Ukrainian troops beat us out of helicopters, but missed. And they tried to enter both from the airport and from Lutugino. There are battles, but we do not let the Ukrainian army into the city.

A spokesman for the government of the LPR also denied the words of the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Vladimir Geletey, that the southeastern part of Lugansk and the airport are under the full control of the Kiev security officials.

- The airport is still occupied by airborne units of the enemy, but they are in the blockade of the militia, - said the representative of the LC. - In the quantitative composition of the Ukrainians, of course, more manpower and technology, I think, three or four times, but this is not a critical situation.

According to Toporov, in connection with the massive shelling of the city, which has been going on for several days, the flow of refugees has sharply increased. People are fleeing from besieged Lugansk, where there is no light, water, shops and transport are not working.

July 18 Ukrainian army conducted shelling of the city. The main objective of the military was the administration of the Lugansk People’s Republic, but about 20 civilians were killed by shells on the streets and in the courtyards of residential buildings.

Yesterday at 19: 08

Reports from places in the last hours


16: 20 (MSC) A couple of dryers over Lugansk. Over the past three hours: shelling continued in Lugansk, air strikes were inflicted in two pairs. During the shelling in Lutugino, a residential building and a polyclinic suffered. From Alchevsk, there are periodic attacks on Lugansk and Lysychansk. In the field of database problems with mobile communication are periodically observed. About 15: 00 (ISC) there was an aircraft above the Lisichansk refinery, in 16: 05 (ISC) a reconnaissance vehicle was observed over the RTI.
In the area of ​​Aleksandrovka, black smoke may be burning BZS.
From Avdeevka (DNR) there were gaps.
16: 40 (MSC) A couple of dryers are circling above the airport. To Lugansk there is a storm front.
17: 15 (ISC) Above Lisichansk attack aircraft, worked on the refinery, the refinery flared up; beside him, to the right of him, small streams of smoke appeared. Also about half an hour ago there was a salvo of the MLRS.
17: 00 (ISC) Two five-storey buildings in Donetsk at the First Ground (near West AV, near the airport) came under fire. According to preliminary data, there are no dead, all the wounded (5 people) promptly took the ambulance.
17: 55 (MSC). Orlovka began shelling of Donetsk suburbs with packet ammunition, there are casualties.

Yesterday at 20: 56

Summary of the LC militia for July 18 - the first half of July 19 2014


"As a result of the morning (July 18) shelling of Lugansk by Ukrainian troops, the city was left without electricity and water supply (the commando group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces struck the Kirov substation in Kamennobrodsky district, due to the lack of electricity they stopped working and pumping stations), which only by noon.

In the first half of the day, the enemy fired at residential areas of the capital of the Luhansk People’s Republic, presumably from the Kamennobrodsky district of the city and from its position in the village of Metalist, using howitzers and mortars, including Tulip self-propelled mortar installations.

The shells and mines of the Ukrainian fell both in the center of the city - on the streets of Frunze, where two shells hit the five-story apartment building at once, and the Defense Ministry, and in peaceful residential areas. The Komarovo, Solnechny and Mirny districts were particularly affected, the Eastern Market was practically wiped out, the largest number of victims among the citizens was recorded as a result of a projectile falling near the Marika Cafe. In just the past day, according to data provided by ambulance, 19 civilians were killed in Lugansk, 101 received injuries of varying severity.

Towards noon, enemy troops entered the village of Veselaya Tarasovka in a tank column. In the area of ​​the village of Yellow, Ukrainian soldiers shelled a shuttle bus - at least two people were injured.

Also, the enemy inflicted a massive artillery and air strike on Severodonetsk and Lisichansk, there are dead among civilians, the number of which is specified. The enemy struck a targeted blow to the Lisichansk Oil Refinery, as a result of which the oil storage facility caught fire, and storage facilities were destroyed.

The shelling of the aggressor of Lugansk did not stop at night. On the 3 kilometer, as a result of strikes by mobile commando groups, a furniture warehouse caught fire, the pillar of fire reached an altitude of 20 meters. By morning the fire was extinguished.

Also, by the morning, it was partially possible to localize the flames at the Lysychansk Oil Refinery.

In the afternoon, the enemy attacked the position of the LC army in the Sabovka area, but this attack was successfully repulsed.

In the morning of July 19, active fighting took place in the vicinity of Luhansk. In particular, the Ukrainian army tried to approach the city from two directions - from Lutugino and Merry Tarasovka. Apparently, the grouping of the Ukrainian army had two tasks - to cut off the road to Donetsk and unlock the airport. In both directions, the aggressor was given a battle by units of the army of the LPR, and the most serious clash occurred near Georgievka. As a result, the enemy suffered serious losses in both military equipment and manpower, retreating from their positions.

Also, approximately in 11: 00, the Armed Forces of Ukraine raised helicopter gunships into the sky, which fired at the positions of the LC army in Aleksandrovsk region, but their missiles missed the target.

A difficult situation has developed in the village of Popasnoye, which today has been almost destroyed by enemy sighting artillery strikes. According to operational data, the local population is hiding in basements, fearing to come to the surface, since snipers are targeting the village.

Also, the enemy continued shelling of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk.

Last night Sverdlovsk also came under fire from the Gradov. According to the latest operational data, small groups of the enemy ply between Zelenopol and Khmelnitsky.

Artillery and mortar strikes from the Upper Olkhovy and Upper Teplyi were also inflicted on the bridge over the Seversky Donets River in the area of ​​the Stanitsa Luganskaya. "

Yesterday at 21: 33

Summary from I. I. Strelkova


"As of the evening:

There is no information about Lugansk.

The Brain Squad successfully repulsed the attack, destroying the 1 tank. Communications of the city remain free.

Our situation is unchanged. The units of I. Bezler acted productively north and north-west of Gorlovka. "

Yesterday at 22: 31

Summary of places in the last hours


20: 00 (ISC) In the course of the shelling of the outskirts of Donetsk, the Ukrainian Nazis destroyed half of the Administrative Settlement, there is a destruction of the area of ​​the Western Bus Station. The shelling was of such strength that the bomb shelter doors were carried out by the shock wave. Many affected.
Lysychansk is burning, a column of smoke above the oil refinery has risen to a height of about 3 km and is visible from Krasny Liman. The shelling of Lugansk continues. In the area of ​​the village Jubilee smoke. A column of dill from 50 supply vehicles (trucks) has been spotted near the Stankostroy Kramatorsk.
20: 45 (MSC) In the skies over Lugansk 3 aircraft are working, they left Alchevsk.
20: 55 (ISC) In the area of ​​the telecentre (Donetsk) incomprehensible noise.
21: 05 (ISC). In the direction of Donetsk go 2 attack aircraft.
21: 25 (MSC). Intensive shelling of Lysychansk began with Old Krasnyanka and Varvarovka, MLRS are used.
In Lugansk, a GO siren howls, planes in the sky, air strikes are inflicted on Lugansk. Confirmation of a downed drying came, destroyed in the area of ​​Old Krasnyanka.
21: 50 (MSC) From the side of Seversk an accumulation of armored vehicles is formed - 70 tanks, some went towards Zolotarevka (presumably near the battalion), the other part towards Red Lyman. There are installations of the MLRS, according to unspecified information, the division is deployed at Lysychansk. In the sky planes.
22: 00 (MSC) Shoots are heard in Avdeek. Also heard the gaps in the side of the airport (Donetsk).
22: 10 (MSC) On the side of Zolotarevka there are gaps.

Yesterday at 23: 04

Brain Summary


"Today, an ukrami attempted a tank breakout with massive shelling of all fortified areas. We only got to the refinery and received a fitting rebuff, as a result of which the attack was stopped. Ukrov losses: one burnt tank and infantry fighting vehicle."

Today in 0: 05

Message from eyewitnesses


"In the port of Odessa, tanks are unloaded from the vessel. Whether the Romanians, or the Poles, there is unloading of ACS and personnel."

Today in 0: 11

Summary of places


23: 00 (ISC) In the area of ​​the Donetsk airport battle, heard the gaps from the artillery, automatic shooting, running KPVT.
23: 15 (MSC) In the direction of Lugansk there is a pair of drying. In the area of ​​luxury began the battle.
23: 20 (MSC) Above Kremennaya, two UAVs are seen, one towards Svatovo, the other towards Lugansk.
23.25 (IST) Red Estuary in the direction of Svyatogorsk helicopter.
23.30 (MSK) Lugansk. Work Grads.
23: 55 (ISC) Around the Sand can be heard a series of loud explosions (supposedly worked MLRS).

Today in 2: 45

Message from I. I. Strelkova


"Ukry to the attack on Snow made ... A rather rash decision ... But I have to fight.

(About Prapor) In the hospital lying around. He was wounded for the third time in Marininka - by fragments of a bomb in the leg and in the arm (before that, at intervals of one week, two light wounds were shrapnel in the leg - first in one, then, under Yampol, in the other). And contusion in addition. But not discouraged. It is going to return to 10 days. But I will keep him at headquarters now - as a talisman ... "

Today in 5: 05

Message from Alexander Zhuchkovsky


"The situation is, of course, unenviable. Slowly but surely surround. They cut off from Lugansk, from the border, from Russia, from supply. They are seizing checkpoints between Lugansk and Donetsk - intelligence does not have time to report, and the enemy is already meeting at crossings instead of their own. The Ukrainian retreat it was replaced by an offensive swiftly. This is not panic, not “Igor Ivanovich is sad,” but the real state of things, a statement of the obvious fact of the full, but somewhere the absolute superiority of the enemy. Help us, Lord. "
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  1. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 20 July 2014 08: 10 New
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    The question may be somewhat controversial,
    So they say on the Internet.
    But the downhole miner is silent,
    and the militias are not silent. Where is your honor and your pride
    and maddening enthusiasm.
    Oh sorry, how can you
    you are at work — nonsense.
    1. Момент
      Момент 20 July 2014 08: 16 New
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      Yesterday it was reported that Poroshenko wants to recognize the LPR and the DPR as terrorist groups. This is the first in world practice that includes whole areas and all terrorists.
      And the miners all work.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 20 July 2014 08: 24 New
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        Quote: Moment
        Yesterday it was reported that Poroshenko wants to recognize the LPR and DPR as terrorist groups.


        Yes, not only wants ...

        Poroshenko called on the world to recognize the DNI and LC as terrorist organizations
        Ukraine is preparing international lawsuits to recognize the LPR and the DPR as terrorist organizations. The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko said this at a meeting with Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans, the press service of the head of state.

        "I am sure that the trial of the terrorists must take place without fail," Poroshenko said.

        The head of state assured that, on his instructions, the government is doing everything possible to ensure that the investigation of the circumstances of the terrorist act is conducted under the international auspices of ICAO.

        Poroshenko said that he had invited representatives of the Netherlands, along with representatives of other countries whose citizens also died, to participate in the commission.

        In turn, the Dutch Foreign Minister said: "As soon as we get the evidence, we will not stop until the perpetrators are brought to justice." Timmermans also added that it is "not only about those who pulled the trigger, but also about those who made this possible." “I believe that the international community should unite for this,” the minister said.

        It should be noted that the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs expressed bewilderment at the fact that even before the start of the proceedings, official representatives of a number of states hastened to unprovenly state their versions of the causes of the crash, thereby putting pressure on the course of the investigation.

        We add that the head of the Congress of Local and Regional Authorities of the Council of Europe Herwig Van Staa expressed the opinion that it is too early to blame anyone for the tragedy with the Malaysian Boeing. According to the President of Congress, the main thing is that the true cause of the deaths of so many people should be established and the perpetrators brought to justice .... (Controversy)
        XXXX
        Well said the head of the Foreign Ministry of the Netherlands ... I wonder if he will be as decisive when it turns out that all this is the work of Poroshenko and Co.!
        1. boozer
          boozer 20 July 2014 08: 50 New
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          Yes, it has already begun, howling is as if Moscow dealt a nuclear attack on London!

          "20.07.2014/04/49, Moscow 54:XNUMX:XNUMX If the guilt of the militia is proven for the crash of a Malaysian plane in Donbass, the blame for the destabilization of the situation in Ukraine will fall on Russia," British Prime Minister David Cameron said in an interview with The Sunday Times.

          "If this is so, then we must clearly understand what this means: it is the result of the fact that Russia destabilizes a sovereign state, violates its territorial integrity, supports armed bandits, trains and equips them," Cameron said.

          He called on the European Union and the West to use "power, influence and resources" to change their approach to Russia, the BBC reports.

          At the same time, Cameron stated that many EU countries are too slow and reluctant to react to Moscow's actions. "We sometimes act as if we need Russia more than it needs us," he said, without naming these countries specifically.
          1. maxxdesign
            maxxdesign 20 July 2014 09: 29 New
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            and if it is proved that the plane was shot down by order of the United States, then all the SUK.I. shut up their rotten mouths and remain silent!
            1. Naum
              Naum 20 July 2014 11: 36 New
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              Quote: maxxdesign
              then all s.u.c.i. shut up their rotten mouths and remain silent!

              On the contrary, they will scream even louder "stop the thief!" and point your finger at Russia. These hypocrites and rascals will always be true to themselves. As you wish, but the source and focus of world Evil US must be destroyed!
              1. derik1970
                derik1970 20 July 2014 21: 25 New
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                Absolutely fair remark.
            2. Shur
              Shur 20 July 2014 12: 01 New
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              No, they will swallow everything like "Accidental accident of innocent ukrop lambs." What is the United States of Europe? This is just a springboard, a protective buffer of amers in front of the still not inclined Russia. These are lifelong slaves, they will end up as slaves, even very likely to be circumcised.
          2. asar
            asar 20 July 2014 09: 34 New
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            England, the former "mistress of the seas" - "fell" under her former colony! Where is your pride, British ?!
            "If this is so, then we must clearly understand what this means: it is the result of the fact that Russia destabilizes a sovereign state, violates its territorial integrity, supports armed bandits, trains and equips them," Cameron said.


            And among the various rabble of punishers there are no your "guys", Mr. Cameron ?! And the mercenaries
            Among 800 foreign mercenaries in Ukraine dominated by citizens of the United States, Britain, Canada and Australia. Some of them were captured in Slavyansk (more than 20 people).

            And how do you understand this, Mr. Cameron?
            1. kot stepan
              kot stepan 20 July 2014 11: 09 New
              +2
              England has long played the role of a steam locomotive running ahead. The GDR did the same in the old days. England is in a subordinate position in relation to the United States. Completely, both politically and economically. Although, the axis of the "evil empire" runs precisely through London.
            2. Shur
              Shur 20 July 2014 12: 03 New
              +5
              Yes, actually the Cameron himself? What is it different from a mercenary, for the interests of his country, he so lowers his karma on the bottom?
            3. INVESTOR
              INVESTOR 20 July 2014 12: 20 New
              +3
              Only recently, they were going to arm the cannibals who fought in Syria, the scum forgotten already ????
          3. Shur
            Shur 20 July 2014 11: 58 New
            +2
            "If" grandmother was a grandfather. The ultimate American dog is the Cameron clown.
          4. Gomunkul
            Gomunkul 20 July 2014 16: 45 New
            +1
            "If this is so, then we must clearly understand what this means: it is the result of the fact that Russia destabilizes a sovereign state, violates its territorial integrity, supports armed bandits, trains and equips them," Cameron said.
            Ka people say: Whose cow would mumble.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 21 July 2014 00: 48 New
              +1
              And who are these? Young ladies from a boarding house of noble maidens?
              1. Vitaly72
                Vitaly72 21 July 2014 01: 30 New
                +1
                sea ​​mouths
          5. kryuger.mark
            kryuger.mark 20 July 2014 21: 17 New
            0
            This is the pressure on the commission of inquiry
          6. Lelek
            Lelek 21 July 2014 00: 43 New
            +1
            Well, we need this island leader of the Saxons, like a cow's second tail. He stands out before the election, earns points on someone else's blood. However, England is England - the empire of egoists and snobs.
        2. asar
          asar 20 July 2014 09: 12 New
          +5
          "I am sure that the trial of the terrorists must take place without fail," Poroshenko said.


          I am also sure that Potroshenko "fell under the hand"!
          1. DONCHANKA
            DONCHANKA 20 July 2014 10: 52 New
            +6
            I hope the agony ..........
          2. Shur
            Shur 20 July 2014 12: 05 New
            +2
            Yes, it is desirable to quickly, without these unnecessary fake "international" courts and other things. A hole in his head of cabbage is a well-founded sentence.
        3. baltika-18
          baltika-18 20 July 2014 10: 38 New
          -19 qualifying.
          Quote: Egoza
          when it turns out that all this is the work of Poroshenko and Co.!
          Boeing is not the work of Poroshenko and K.Melkovaty they are for such a task. This action was prepared more than one month. And it could be broken in March. I wrote more than once, March was the key month, Putin could play his game, he didn’t dare, now it’s going to be an extreme one. The situation has been famously promoted, the Crimea was pushed as bait, then they blew up Donetsk and Lugansk, Russia will have to pay for everything or ... world war.
          And according to Girkin, I like his performances, artist. My conclusion about him: the guy will soon merge.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 20 July 2014 10: 55 New
            +3
            Quote: baltika-18
            Boeing is not the work of Poroshenko and K.Melkovaty they are for such a task. This action was prepared more than one month. And it could be broken in March. I wrote more than once, March was the key month, Putin could play his game, he didn’t dare, now it’s going to be an extreme one. The situation has been famously promoted, the Crimea was pushed as bait, then they blew up Donetsk and Lugansk, Russia will have to pay for everything or ... world war.

            I completely agree with this!
            Quote: baltika-18
            And according to Girkin, I like his performances, artist. My conclusion about him: the guy will soon merge.

            And I do not agree with this. Explain what your conclusions are based on ......
            1. 53-Sciborskiy
              53-Sciborskiy 20 July 2014 12: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: nycsson

              I completely agree with this!

              Naive self-confidence, oh well, with whom it does not happen.
            2. baltika-18
              baltika-18 20 July 2014 14: 04 New
              -21 qualifying.
              Quote: nycsson
              But I do not agree with this. Explain what your conclusions are based on ...
              But on everything like this. The performance is bloody for people and funny for non-people. Over the gullible "diploma" they scoff openly and insolently, and he hawala, and ...... shouts "hurray."
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 14: 24 New
                +8
                Quote: baltika-18
                But on everything like that. With

                Kohl, look for fun. How many weddings were there during the warrior. Very many got married and got married. This is usually the case, it’s just the time when everyone shows on TV. If you had Internet in 1914, you would be used to it hi
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 20 July 2014 15: 03 New
                  -7
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Kohl, look for interest. How many weddings were there AT ALL during the warrior.
                  It’s not the wedding itself. The matter is in the design, in the surroundings and in the informational support. Answer, Sasha to the question: why the hell does this durka Lenka Kolenkina trunk holster over the wedding dress? For the surroundings? Ali and Arsenka play domination in their free time ? And by the way, the DNI already existed at the time of their wedding for 1,5 months, and they have a certificate under number 1. In the city of a millionaire for 1,5 months, not a single wedding? Ali DNR only on paper blundered?
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 15: 34 New
                    -2
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    : to hell with this d.ure Lenka Kolenkina trunk holster over a wedding dress? For entourage?

                    These are the show-offs of modern youth, for whom a warrior and blood is such a game on a computer. Yes, and the woman herself does not shine
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    And by the way, DNR already existed at the time of their wedding for 1,5 months, and they have certificate number 1

                    Announce the creation of the company for long, but to create and everything is much more difficult.
                    1. baltika-18
                      baltika-18 20 July 2014 15: 55 New
                      -8
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      . Yes, and the woman herself does not shine
                      Shine does not shine. And according to the script, he and Arsenka are already in the Crimea. The mission, as I understand it, has been fulfilled. Heroes have time to relax. winked
                      1. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 20 July 2014 16: 29 New
                        +3
                        baltika-18
                        Do you have an alarm clock at half past five that you are so vehemently jealous of this Motorola?
                        And if you are in CRIMEA, actually, and what’s wrong with that, then you’re sitting on the sofa, you get jealous of excitement, and he’s after the injury. They sent him for treatment, they did it right.
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                      3. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 20 July 2014 18: 06 New
                        +3

                        And all the diagnoses, the talker, and so, without you, are already clear.
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                      6. vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz 20 July 2014 22: 13 New
                        0
                        baltika-18
                        Do you have brains? Where does the GANGLIA have pubic lice?
                        Once again, make a complaint, it seems that you are offended by a disease.
                        In the meantime, have not written, clarify for yourself what ganglia are and what they are fraught with for you if they replace your brains.
                      7. Apollo
                        Apollo 20 July 2014 22: 15 New
                        0
                        Quote: vladkavkaz
                        vladkavkaz

                        Quote: baltika-18
                        baltika-18


                        Do not go to the person.
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        4. RUSS
          RUSS 20 July 2014 16: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, and the woman herself does not shine


          Well, okay, okay, do not offend the "choice" of Motorola, a young girl, she will learn to wits about reason, although with such systems ... the mind is not really needed, although I am personally unfamiliar with her, so I cannot say about her IQ, maybe she is " Einstein "but somewhere very deep laughing
          1. Semurg
            Semurg 20 July 2014 17: 47 New
            +1
            A young wife is good, the main thing is that he has enough money for her "love comes and goes, but you always want to eat and dress beautifully." Who is this Motorola in a peaceful life? The war will end one way or another anyway.
  2. IAlex
    IAlex 20 July 2014 14: 46 New
    +2
    A good girl, such a person whom you want to bend a ram’s horn :)))
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 15: 34 New
      -2
      Quote: IAlex
      A good girl, such a person whom you want to bend a ram’s horn :)))

      Ordinary woman with breasts 4 sizes.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 20 July 2014 18: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Ordinary woman with breasts

        Are there any magic ones? smile
  3. RUSS
    RUSS 20 July 2014 15: 55 New
    +4
    Motorola didn’t take a wife like that, a pretty girl and a model figure. love
  4. GrandsonUncle Vasi
    GrandsonUncle Vasi 20 July 2014 17: 32 New
    +2
    This is life and the truth of life! People in wartime continue to live with Love, truth, faith in the best and bright.
    You, the sprat is not canned, apparently also the margarine in the skull is floating, like that of the Geyropovites maydanutyh.
  5. nycsson
    nycsson 20 July 2014 19: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: baltika-18
    But on everything like this. The performance is bloody for people and funny for non-people. Over the gullible "diploma" they scoff openly and insolently, and he hawala, and ...... shouts "hurray."

    Well I do not know! You claim that the militias led by Strelkov are on the side of evil! Did I understand you correctly? I do not presume to judge! But if this is so, then the people have little chance!
  • Shur
    Shur 20 July 2014 12: 08 New
    +3
    How do you know "Putin's game"? Of course, you are very interesting in describing the Crimea and the bait, but not believable. The bait can be something that has already become at least someone else's or mine, don't you think?
    And what prevented the use of Potroshenko’s hands?
    1. saag
      saag 20 July 2014 12: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Shur
      How do you know "Putin's game"?

      Also me a Newton’s binom, see what projects Putin is lobbying for and his interest will become clear
      1. Shur
        Shur 20 July 2014 13: 26 New
        +1
        At least he supports the "Russia" project, or don't you think so? I am not a supporter of Putin, I consider him a post-reactionist, but such statements are not very clear to me.
        1. saag
          saag 20 July 2014 18: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Shur
          At least he supports the "Russia" project, or don't you think so?

          There is no such project, there are Nord Stream, South Stream, Power of Siberia projects, an oil production project in Brazil, on the Israeli shelf, on the Crimean shelf, in the Arctic, even like in Cuba, this is all public information
          1. Shur
            Shur 20 July 2014 20: 58 New
            +2
            Do you even know whose money these projects are under implementation, whose investments are there? There are funds and big west. And in order to sit at the table of discussion of such projects on an equal footing, one must have power. Otherwise, the Americans would have already shaken, and we were cut back as Thatcher dreamed.
            GDP of course understands that resources are of interest to everyone in one way or another, and just like that Russia will not pass away the entire world capitalist irrepressible thirst for profit. BUT and here are solid BUT. Where is the industrial sector proper and self-sufficient! The third warrior is not a war of engines and only resources, but a war of technologies. Their technologies. All of them climb into these new technologies and a new economic order, implying a qualitative leap in labor productivity and so on. The rest will have to serve the master's resources, or "they will bring a lot of democracy." And then they will calmly own your resources.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 20 July 2014 15: 17 New
      -2
      Quote: Shur
      How do you know "Putin's game"
      he has no shisha. As the situevina develops, he jumps.
      Quote: Shur
      Of course, about Crimea and bait you are very interesting to state
      Crimea without the southeast is a tremendous ass for Russia, continuous expenses with a bunch of problems requiring a very quick resolution. And there will be no funds now, because the situation has begun to unfold further, sanctions have gone. They rushed to bow to China, they promised to give, but not much, and in return they demanded a price for future gas such as China needs, and they rub in on us about a commercial secret, because they know that if they say it, a "boss" will come to them all in power. It is not for nothing that Miller's deputy recently said that without an annual increase in tariffs for domestic consumption, they will not pull the Chinese projects.
      1. Shur
        Shur 20 July 2014 15: 43 New
        +3
        I don’t remember anything, so that something would interfere with raising the internal tariffs for energy carriers earlier. Indeed, the negotiations have been held for a long time, and it is not a secret, however, that much has been influenced by the price of recent events. Geopolitically, Crimea has always been not cheap and in every sense. Let's give up everything then, isn't it cheaper to live in a small European country? And then bargaining in such a matter is not appropriate. There is a big game going on here, much more than the Crimea and the remnants of the Soviet territory called Ukraine. Did anyone doubt that in the end everything would fall on ordinary citizens? I do not believe in the belated GDP policy, rather there is a factor of the real state of affairs and hence the possibilities. For so many years it’s unclear what to do, and then it’s impossible to decide everything in one year. That's the bottom line. There is no point in arguing with this. But for a "fool" you take him in vain. To manage the situation, you need such resources, etc. which no one has, see the results of the actions of the "partners". They never thought about the global consequences - this is not the practice of the capitalists.
      2. Shur
        Shur 20 July 2014 15: 50 New
        -2
        And, believe me, it will cost no more - "NOT TARGETED EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS". Here is a quarter of the budget, but in reality it is even more like a campaign, and you are talking about expenses. I work with builders, I think you understand. So do not "tell my slippers".
        1. BEGGAR
          BEGGAR 20 July 2014 19: 59 New
          0
          and Th uniaxes and other enemies will abandon non-target? laughing
      3. nycsson
        nycsson 20 July 2014 19: 11 New
        0
        Quote: baltika-18
        he has no shisha. As the situevina develops, he jumps.

        Here I completely agree with you! And it’s really scary!
        Quote: baltika-18
        Crimea without the southeast is a tremendous ass for Russia

        This is in the best case! And the situation can twist so much that they will go to war with us because of the Crimea. By then, there will be more than enough rabble in the form of terrorists in Ukraine! I repeat once again: CRIMEA is a bait for Russia and we swallowed it!
        1. Shur
          Shur 20 July 2014 20: 32 New
          +5
          "We swallowed" all the western dregs. in the form of their capitalism with an inhuman face. There are plenty of "baits" in this sense. Time will judge. Don't forget what price our ancestors paid for it. War is war, but there is a reason. You can start setting fire to Asia, the Caucasus, as before, and in general we were left with a more than dangerous legacy by gentlemen of the Young Democrats, but simply pro-Western henchmen.
        2. Shur
          Shur 20 July 2014 20: 42 New
          +3
          We went to war for a long time just in fact, you apparently do not live in Russia. They began kumpania about five years ago, shaking and folding more or less independent states. Do you really think that Russia would just be allowed to get up from its knees? They have already rubbed their hands and made plans for the development of Siberia, and you are talking about the "bait", etc. Everything just escalated, the rest are variants of events. Note, they did not start with Ukraine. Now there are more active phases and much more dangerous for Russia is the huge, I would say, a nightmarish dependence on Western capital. So it seems that all our heads of monopolies were mumbled about everything, but this is crap. They are more than dependent, and believe it, it is much more serious than what you here give out as a fatal error.
          1. gunya
            gunya 20 July 2014 21: 57 New
            0
            And what are "heads of monopolies"?
            Once there were Berezovsky, Gusinsky and other "heads" - where are they? Only those who have accepted the "rules" remain, others follow Khodorkovsky and the "main Chukchi".
            The defense industry is gradually falling into the hands of the state - what does it say?
            Think, gentlemen, comrades.
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 20 July 2014 23: 46 New
      -1
      Quote: Shur
      How do you know "Putin's game"? Of course, you are very interesting in describing the Crimea and the bait, but not believable. The bait can be something that has already become at least someone else's or mine, don't you think?
      - But who knows his game? Something calmly rolls, something negotiates. takes balls ... As if nothing was happening ... laughing
      I understand, with this phrase: "I. I.:" They hoped in vain. The junta deftly creates the impression of its "weakness" and "readiness for negotiations", in reality, the buildup of military power is ongoing ... And they are going to fight "to the bitter end" so that, having defeated the militia, with an experienced and victorious army, they can recapture Crimea "- Girkin he is pumping again, as he was pumping in Slavyansk. And it remains to be hoped that Girkin is pumping again for some of his own purposes, and then he will throw out something that no one expects from him ... Well, if his vang Girikna turns out to be correct, not God forbid am am then gentlemen, excuse me for being straightforward, then Putin will deserve a tribunal EXACTLY FOR what he allowed this, allowed his inaction to help the same Girkin. He really should know that it is better to fight with the hands of Girkin on the distant approaches to Russia with the still not strong enemy army, and on such resource support that would be enough to defeat this very army, than then lay a bunch of Russian soldiers directly on Russian soil with already "experienced and victorious." But now, in connection with the plane crash, the West has found it possible to help the Ukrainians with weapons, incl. both heavy and high precision. And if Putin hopes for something there, for the peacefulness of the "brotherly people", let him hope further. Even the common people are not mistaken about the peacefulness of this "brotherly people" laughing and Putin still believes. He’s about 60 years old, he is led by a powerful country, and he believes everything ... By chance, since childhood, does he still not believe in Santa Claus? Like this? M will be with the fraternal people to fight? And so - you take AKM and you go to war !!! am
      1. Shur
        Shur 21 July 2014 00: 31 New
        0
        I hope that he still knows the approach "To unbalance, both the inertia of sinking into the void and the inertia of movement of the upper body towards the second support are used." Fundamentals of Classical Judo.
  • 53-Sciborskiy
    53-Sciborskiy 20 July 2014 12: 29 New
    0
    Quote: baltika-18
    The situation was famously untwisted, pushed Crimea as

    "Take your time", as the hero of the comedy "Wedding in Malinovka" used to say
  • Shur
    Shur 20 July 2014 11: 56 New
    0
    Not without the general leadership of the US residency by itself.
  • Deadmen
    Deadmen 20 July 2014 08: 31 New
    +3
    and some already in Khabarovsk.
  • STOP VOINE 2014
    STOP VOINE 2014 20 July 2014 11: 58 New
    +7
    Dear IGOR IVANOVICH, I have a very serious question for YOU, where are your political leaders ...?
    You, now the Kiev junta, with the support of OUR COMMON ENEMY, is trying at the international level to declare the LPR and DPR "terrorist organizations" ...
    YOU NEED IN ALL SOCIALLY VALUABLE PLACES TO GLEEN OUT LEAFLETS, WRITE INSCRIPTIONS, DRAW CARICATURES ....
    ENEMY AT THE GATE!
    FASCIST WILL NOT PASS!
    CITIZENS A CAMP ARE BUILT - DO WE HAVE ONLY TO GIVE UP?
    BECAUSE THE BANDERS FORCE OUR WOMEN ..
    ENEMIES BURNED A HOME, A VILLAGE, A CITY .... THE SAD SLIVIAN CENTURY WAITING FOR THE WHOLE SOUTH EAST OF THE COUNTRY IS THE DOCTRINE OF OUR COMMON ENEMY AND THE BLIND LAMBARS, BARANS ...
    ENEMIES PUNISH EVERYONE WHO VOTED AT THE REFERENDUM, AND YOU VOTED EVERYTHING ...
    WHAT DO I SAY TO YOU ABOUT ALL FASHION WALKES ..... JUNE JUNE ... YOU KNOW ALL THEIR CRIMES WITHOUT ME!
    THIS INFORMATION SHOULD BE ON EACH POST, WALL, HOUSE, ROAD, FENCES, etc. AND TP ..
    WHERE A PERSON DOESN'T LOOK, THE REAL TRUTH SHOULD BE EVERYWHERE!
    AND WHEN EVEN THE MOST "BLIND MILITARY" OF THE UKRAINIAN ARMY WILL SEE AN OPINION ABOUT HIM ON THE TERRITORY HIS TAKENED BY HIM, FROM THE SEEN FROM HIM SHOULD TURN THE VIBRATION, ALL HIS BLIND CONSCIOUSNESS WILL TURN over ...!
    DISPLAY PICTURES OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN WITH THEIR BIOGRAPHY WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THEM ... AND WHOSE THESE MOUNTAINS HEROES WON ...
    Let every CONSCIOUS MILITARY UKRAINIAN FEEL WHOSE ORDER HE IS PERFORMING ..!
    ALL THE LAST WARS ARE BASED ON BROADCASTING TO THE SOCIETY AS TRUE SO AND FALSE SCALE INFORMATION ....
    SO DO NOT HESITATE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TO YOUR PEOPLE, "TO YOUR ENEMY" AND TO THE TRUE ENEMIES OF THE RUSSIAN WORLD !!!!
    IF YOU'RE SORRY TO PAINT - ASK ...
    BUT INFORMATION, A TRUE WORD SHOULD BE ANYWHERE, FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE HOW
    THE TRUTH IS THE BETTER OF SUCCESS, VICTORY!
    INCLUDE THE SENSE OF PATRIOTISM IN YOUR COMPATRIOTS AND CONVINCE YOUR "ENEMY" NOT TO FULFILL AN ORDER FROM ABROAD!
    1. STOP VOINE 2014
      STOP VOINE 2014 20 July 2014 12: 29 New
      +2
      THE ENEMY IS NOT AT THE GATE BUT MUCH CLOSER ..... THERE HE ALREADY HAS MINUS PUT A DECK .....
      1. Shur
        Shur 20 July 2014 13: 33 New
        0
        If everyone who does not agree with my or your opinion is written down as an enemy, then we have already passed this, remember?
        1. alexng
          alexng 20 July 2014 17: 24 New
          +1
          When you put a minus, justify this jump to the side with a comment, and do not behave like a cowardly rabbit: he pumped and ran away. Sorry for the harshness, but the majority does not get it differently - this is not to you, but to those forum participants who cowardly put anonymous cons and act like a "Wise Gudgeon".
          In general, if the site could be used to right-click to highlight who puts the minuses and pros, the site would be less emotional, and there would be less malicious comments.
    2. Shur
      Shur 20 July 2014 13: 31 New
      +2
      If people are not convinced by the death of loved ones and the threat of their own lives, how will the inscriptions on the fence convince them?
  • INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 20 July 2014 12: 07 New
    0
    A few days ago it was said that the punishers were in boilers and that they were slowly beginning to cut through how the operational situation had changed so quickly ??? Boeing changed everything ???
  • KostA_RikA
    KostA_RikA 20 July 2014 12: 16 New
    +1
    and the West admits, I have no doubt
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 20 July 2014 19: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: Moment
    Yesterday it was reported that Poroshenko wants to recognize the LPR and the DPR as terrorist groups. This is the first in world practice that includes whole areas and all terrorists.
    And the miners all work.

    amazing people miners laughing . It’s probably quiet downstairs, the shells don’t fly, unless the planes are in the ventilation shafts. Is my mine on the edge?
    Yanukovych must be delivered to Kiev. He has nothing to cool in Russia, worthless in all respects. Let at least ho chles have fun ...
  • tanit
    tanit 20 July 2014 08: 18 New
    15
    As there expressed the ukroforumchanin under the nickname Aeneas? "Passionate inadequacies". They are fighting. Adequats eat vodka. And they are waiting for how it will end.
    1. Shur
      Shur 20 July 2014 13: 35 New
      +1
      The usual position of a "Ukrainian" on all issues.
  • vladstro
    vladstro 20 July 2014 08: 23 New
    21
    I agree with you that the miners promised to break all the Kiev authorities, something is not visible.
    1. vafler
      vafler 20 July 2014 08: 48 New
      11
      That's how they defend their independence, sitting in the mines cowardly people
      1. tanit
        tanit 20 July 2014 09: 41 New
        +9
        Not a folk, and certainly not a coward. Waiting for the last winner. But then, then they’re like everyone else.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 20 July 2014 09: 41 New
        +7
        Quote: wafler
        That's how they defend their independence, sitting in the mines cowardly people

        I will not "rassusolit" for a long time, I will give only a few excerpts from Strelkov and others, by the way, "bashfully" bypassed by many because of some dissonance with statements about "the sufficiency of assistance to Novorossiya" ...

        19.07.2014
        Strelkov explained why universal mobilization is not possible
        Igor Strelkov at the forum of reenactors explained to readers glad things related to the DPR and the militia.

        Do you personally give transport, uniforms, automatic machines, upkeep and food? Then I’m ready to announce mobilization in an hour. We and the volunteers have nothing to arm, that we can already talk about mobilization.


        And KP correspondent Dmitry Steshin on Twitter about the battles at Saur Graves.

        Most of all alarmed: "In a couple of days will be.Aha. "...

        Even if it WILL, it may be LATE ...
        Artillery for counter battery combat is needed already YESTERDAY... But it does not exist, however, like many other things, "supplied in excess" ...

        It would have been enough, THE TECHNOLOGY WOULD NOT BE RUNNED ("here and there", "patching holes",several times) FROM ONE ITEM TO ANOTHER THROUGH LIGHTING DAY FOR MANY TENS KILOMETERS ...
      3. evgenm55
        evgenm55 20 July 2014 12: 13 New
        13
        What else ... I'm from Sverdlovsk, i.e. Yekaterinburg. Recently they showed refugees from the South-East. I’ll always understand and accept and help children, women, old people who fled from death, but there was a headland of two meters and a hundred kilograms and almost cried as he ran across the Russian border under fire in horror and how bad he was, and how the bapders mocked him - it became disgusting. Next to him was his girl, whom he rubbed against like a calf, so she had no more courage in her behavior or words. These "refugees" with eggs were waiting for troops will come from RUSSIA and for them their own land will be liberated. I bow my head in front of those guys and girls who are now crying to no one, not expecting anything from where they are fighting to their death.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 20 July 2014 12: 56 New
          +8
          Quote: evgenm55
          but there stood a two-meter and one-hundred-pound forehead and almost cried, as he fled across the Russian border under terror and how badly he felt and how the bapders scoffed at him - it became disgusting.


          I understand, disgusting ...
          But the population of the DPR and LPR is about 7 people. And not all of them left, only those who really had nothing to lose, and those who HAVE SOMETHING to LOSE ...
          I think you will also find a lot of people in Yekaterinburg who will "cuddle" in the first place if something happens ... God forbid, of course ...
      4. Shur
        Shur 20 July 2014 12: 34 New
        +9
        Of all the more it is not clear why stay there at all and wait for your death or reprisal? There is no strength and desire to fight, take everyone and go to Russia. The forces are not just not equal, but "sadly" not equal. The entire operation had to be initially planned as "protection of the evacuation of the Russian population." Putin's initial mistake is an attempt to control something, where he never had any support on people. The most correct decision is the complete removal of the loyal population and giving them all the opportunities. Also, the complete export of all resources and industries. On the territory of Russia, all this is many times more necessary, and so the loss of more than 15 lard (or even all 30 in general) is only on gas and it is still not clear how much on property. And the losses in the innocently killed people cannot be compensated at all. One lost young man is the end of generations. There will be no his children and the children of his children, etc. As long as there is such an attitude towards people, there will be such results of politics. Even if there is land, but where will he then take people? Again like "Women give birth", everyone is tired of giving birth. There will be people and power, and you can always liberate your land (for example, China returns the territories taken from it). The main resource is people, our people. How our leaders will not understand this. Everything is only in words. The time has already passed, who believes in this noodles, when "their own" are furious with fat and live as they want and nothing happens to them for it. There is also a GDP that has something to think about about standards in the approach of justice and life support in their country. When some plow and for any reason a fine or sit, while others do not hesitate to build "dachas" in France, for "honestly" earned and do not worry, because they have a "label" for untouchability (like "their people"). One conclusion is to strengthen the society and the structure of one's state, otherwise all the cracks will expand to the state of bleeding wounds and blood can bleed. It would not hurt to get rid of parasites, and not itch as usual.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 20 July 2014 13: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Shur
          When some plow and for any reason a fine or sit, while others do not hesitate to build "dachas" in France, for "honestly" earned and do not worry, because they have a "label" for untouchability (like "their people"). One conclusion is to strengthen the society and the structure of one's state, otherwise all the cracks will expand to the state of bleeding wounds and blood can bleed. It would not hurt to get rid of parasites, and not itch as usual.


          And nothing has changed....
          1. Shur
            Shur 20 July 2014 13: 46 New
            +2
            Yes, the cart was even more immersed in manure.
    2. Shur
      Shur 20 July 2014 12: 12 New
      0
      "Promise does not mean to marry"
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 20 July 2014 08: 58 New
    +2
    Hang on, guys, we are with all our hearts. We wish you victory over the Nazis.
  • tomket
    tomket 20 July 2014 10: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: ya.seliwerstov2013
    But the downhole miner is silent,

    I just can’t understand what is missing, weapons to start mobilization, or a mobilization resource for distributing weapons. In one article, two directly opposite statements from Strelkova. Who will clarify?
  • vrach
    vrach 20 July 2014 10: 56 New
    +3
    Igor Ivanovich needs to change the principle of work and the composition of his information service.
    1. It must be combined with the LPR.
    2. He must pass on fluid issues to some talking head. As everyone is nervous about Putin, and he says the final and final commentary on really IMPORTANT things, we have seen the effect more than once.
    3. The same Valery Bolotov disappeared from the air, as difficulties began on the LPR front, as if the subtext goes on - a person is busy with business. Enemies exist to indicate our mistakes. It is not necessary for the Kurginyans and Shevchenko to give an occasion.

    As for the situation a week ago, when it came to boilers, it was clear that there wasn’t enough forces to defeat all the boilers and looking at the map, the release of the Donetsk airport was quite obvious. In fact, we have a GOOD result.
    Igor Ivanovich get a good spokesperson.
  • SAVA555.IVANOV
    SAVA555.IVANOV 20 July 2014 12: 22 New
    +5
    Listen, you all smart guys (most likely former security officials) have been intimidating us for years by the authorities (your development), the police and what they will do to us in the pre-trial detention center, prison and camps, on every occasion, bringing us to the department, they threatened to “talk differently” and said, you did from people "informers" were substituted through provocateurs, killed, corroded everything male. They indulged those who did drugs, the herb of the same miners sold fake vodka and they consumed themselves destroyed. They are not to blame for the fact that you got fat on their heads and became richer (I did not see a single poor security officer), so over time they became smart and calculating WHAT WAR ???? They did not live under your rule will not live and then. In Russia, miners live better !! ??? THEY ARE NOT INSURED BY YOUR REGULAR DEVELOPMENT BLATING CAUCASIANS AND OTHER CRAZY FROM PRISON TELLING ABOUT THE CONCEPTS !! ???? Here in Ukraine, a handful of local security officials make up the backbone of resistance, and people do not have 2-3-storey buildings and they live from paycheck to advance payment, so they have no time to give their lives so that then again the new government is FAT doing nothing for people. I have not listed all the arguments and mockery from the heart, but the meaning is clear. I ALWAYS WRITE A LITTLE THAT YOU WILL RUN TO US ORDINARY PEOPLE. And I will say to the Russian security officials, do not humiliate the Russian men, do not intimidate, raise the male spirit already, now only they form the backbone of the Army and the Navy. And as for help, you can or may not help, but you yourself got involved in the war by contacting the Crimea.
    1. Shur
      Shur 20 July 2014 13: 59 New
      +2
      This whole situation is not the fault of the security officials, remember who divided the UNION and how. These EBNs, Khrapchuk and others planted the bomb even then, dividing a single people. The rest is details and time. It immediately became hot in Russia and the republics, and only the presence of something to steal postponed the same consequences in other places. And, of course, our "partners" played the most decisive role, as always. Especially good is EBN, the same in principle as Potroshenko, but in its own way.
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        SAVA555.IVANOV 20 July 2014 17: 36 New
        +1
        Since the time of the union, it was not the siloviki who planted fagots in prisons, they didn’t take bribes from non-Russians when they killed and raped Russians ??? And now those in Ukraine are fucking them themselves, I warn you to get there and enough to flirt with migrant workers from Asia to the Russian security officials For the Caucasus, mobilize at most 5 years, and you need to manage to save those youngsters whose chocks have not yet conquered by putting on the counter or raped without killing normal people in them. Do not make "informers" out of the Russians, let them grow up believing in goodness and not being crushed by them, and not by fat-ass warriors generals. Send the Moiseevs and the like out of the country, open courses like the TRP. Strengthen the control over the relatives and friends of high-ranking officials so that they are not taken hostage and they are not blackmailed forcing them to betray Russia.
        1. Shur
          Shur 21 July 2014 00: 49 New
          +2
          You know, officials in Russia are mostly potential traitors. Many of them stand for the people and their interests? Do many people trust them? What associations do everyone have in case of forced contacts with this power? That's it. Personally, I have such impressions, distrust, contempt, and forgive those "how to come". In general, stress, nerves and a constant struggle for what it should be. As it was, it was just a profitable place. All this is dangerous, it was so under tsarism, and so it became under communism. The distance between the authorities and the elite from the people cannot be long, this is a gap that "partners" inevitably use.
    2. cloud
      cloud 21 July 2014 22: 41 New
      0
      Is everything masculine etched?
  • derik1970
    derik1970 20 July 2014 21: 24 New
    0
    the miners merged ... it’s not sad ... the Nazis will come and the miners will have fun working with them with songs ...
  • dr.star75
    dr.star75 20 July 2014 08: 15 New
    16
    Sadly, the supply is bad.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 20 July 2014 09: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: dr.star75
      Sadly, the supply is bad.

      Just disgusting ...

      Is Vietnam (with all due respect to its heroic and long-suffering people) CLOSER (in all respects) ???

      Figures of the vietnam war

      General US combat losses - 47 378 people, non-combat losses - 10 799. Wounded - 153 303, missing - 2300.
      About 5 thousand US Air Force planes were shot down.
      Losses of the army of the puppet Republic of Vietnam (US ally) - 254 thousand people.
      The combat losses of the Vietnam People’s Army and partisans of the National Liberation Front of South Vietnam - more than 1 million. 100 thousand people.
      The loss of civilian population in Vietnam - more than 3 million people.
      14 million tons of explosives were blown up, which is several times more than during the Second World War in all theaters of operations.
      US financial costs - 350 billion dollars (in the current equivalent - more than 1 trillion dollars).
      China's military-economic assistance ranged from $ 14 billion to $ 21 billion, the USSR - from $ 8 billion to $ 15 billion.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 20 July 2014 13: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Corsair
        Is Vietnam (with all due respect to its heroic and long-suffering people) CLOSER (in all respects) ???

        Vietnam is openly supported and now cast a shadow on the wattle fence
      2. Shur
        Shur 20 July 2014 14: 42 New
        0
        "The face of morality" is the kind. It doesn't fit. Plus, not a desire to involve our state, which is already standing on clay feet, into war. All this is partly correct, but it is necessary and should be more diligent and powerful to help the suffering population. But why the figurants of the junta top are not in development and are still alive is not at all clear. Why do we need all these knights of the cloak and dagger and other special people? It is not clear why they are idle. Hopefully the invisible front is truly invisible. Otherwise, it is just a guarantee of a future hotbed of terrorism and other dishonesty at the throat of Russia.
      3. BEGGAR
        BEGGAR 20 July 2014 20: 34 New
        -1
        Is Vietnam really (with all due respect to its heroic and multi-page
        where does Vietnam come from? what does the Russian and USSR mired in corruption?
  • Dezinto
    Dezinto 20 July 2014 08: 18 New
    +3
    Fuck Ukrainians unleash now ....

    President Poroshenko * thanked for the firm position and support of Ukraine expressed by the representative of France at the last extraordinary meeting of the UN Security Council. He also called on France to recognize the so-called “LPR” and “DPR” as terrorist organizations. “We do not see the difference between the events in Ukraine and September 11 in the United States or the tragedy over Scottish Lockerbie, when the Libyans led by Gaddafi blew up the Pan-American plane. That's why we waiting for the same coherent reaction the entire civilized world, ”said the President of Ukraine.
    1. boozer
      boozer 20 July 2014 08: 59 New
      +9
      Looking forward to full promotion? Do not dizzy ... Again, we are silent, we pause. Or are we deliberately drawing in more and more states accusing us? And then kaaaaaaaaak shy facts? If so, then Vladimir Vladimirovich should have such a trump card, such evidence, such a piece of paper - as Professor Preobrazhensky used to say: "But only a condition: whatever you like, whatever, whenever you like, but that it should be such a piece of paper, in the presence of which neither Shvonder nor anyone else could not even walk to my apartment door. Final piece of paper. Actual! Real !! Armor !!! ".
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 20 July 2014 09: 42 New
        +4
        "In the port of Odessa, tanks are unloaded from a ship. Whether Romanians, or Poles, there is an unloading of self-propelled guns and personnel". recourse but this is already bad, apparently there is an escalation ahead, and ... Russia will still be dragged into the war, the consequences are hard to imagine, the Cuban missile crisis is a childish prank, compared to the global "paragraph" coming in this case.
        1. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 20 July 2014 10: 33 New
          +8
          If this is so, then the Crimean "revenge" of the Kiev junta is not far off, it seems that the moment has come when there are no opportunities to "sit out" and it is time to inflict "preventive" blows on clusters of Ukro.punishers wherever they are. And the winners are not judged and Europe will not risk itself for the sake of a "gang" of fascists brutalized by blood! Of course, there will be a lot of "stink", but real - no!
          1. Shur
            Shur 20 July 2014 14: 48 New
            0
            But in principle, keep quiet, sit out, what is the result. And nothing worse. Now we need time that the GDP missed earlier in raising the country, but as always there is almost no time. That’s how it was possible for so many years and terms .. ..? And while the number of oligarchs tripled, many are almost relatives.
      2. Sergey Medvedev
        Sergey Medvedev 20 July 2014 12: 52 New
        0
        Quote: boozer
        Real !! Armor!!!".

        In international affairs, the final piece of paper can only be the NATO Surrender Act, followed by a parade of the Russian Armed Forces in Fashington and a lawsuit in Slavyansk.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 20 July 2014 13: 20 New
      0
      Quote: DEZINTO
      We do not see the difference between the events in Ukraine and September 11 in the United States or the tragedy over Scottish Lockerbie when the Libyans led by Gaddafi blew up the Pan-American plane. Therefore, we are waiting for the same harmonious reaction of the entire civilized world, ”said the President of Ukraine.


      And why did Parashka not remember the Iranian passenger plane shot down by Iran in 1988?
      1. Shur
        Shur 20 July 2014 14: 51 New
        0
        He has selective memory; he is not going to suddenly die from strabismus.
    3. Shur
      Shur 20 July 2014 14: 45 New
      0
      Rather, that plane was blown up by the CIA, but yes, let it remain true to them, it’s not easier for us.
  • johnsnz
    johnsnz 20 July 2014 08: 18 New
    48
    The miner is silent .... everything, to saw, there’s no strength to endure anymore .... on Monday I am writing an application for unlimited time, I’ll go. Who knows how to contact, please in PM. I am a reconnaissance chemist, trained in sabotage work. Shooter. Sniper. 40 years. Strong physically. I can a political instructor, put the boys.
    I’ll supplement it, as it overflows: I am Russian, I’m going to fight for the freedom of YOURS, MINER, people. I don't give a shit. It pains me to see the torn bodies of children and women. And you sit on, everything will be fine
    1. johnsnz
      johnsnz 20 July 2014 08: 28 New
      +2
      My uncle disappeared near Kramatorsk - Ryaboshapka Victor. Whoever heard what knows - also in PM. I will be grateful
    2. jonh
      jonh 20 July 2014 08: 45 New
      -23 qualifying.
      as I see you on Tuesday, leave comments here on the site.
      1. johnsnz
        johnsnz 20 July 2014 08: 49 New
        14
        you will go with me? we'll see who poops where. Write in a personal. I am adequate to Moldavians
        Or is it blah blah blah? I’m a warrior, I fought for my country, a little crippled (bullet scars), but like you .... I don’t know how to indulge.
        For acquaintances on the site - bullet scars - this is the nineties, did not find the war
        1. jonh
          jonh 20 July 2014 08: 55 New
          -63 qualifying.
          I won’t go because I’m not going to fight for the Yanukovych oligarchs. and I relate equally to those people who live in the eastern regions and to those who are in the rest of Ukraine. I do not divide them into fascists and not fascists
          1. johnsnz
            johnsnz 20 July 2014 09: 00 New
            13
            but some kill others. Children, wives, parents .... and through the channels of the tombs - a continuous idyll. National Guard. Nazi Guard. I will make many. I swear
            I will forgive you. Give money to the navigator. Need a good tablet
            Do not know how to fight - do not go. But don’t bother. I am a warrior, and you?
            1. johnsnz
              johnsnz 20 July 2014 09: 20 New
              -18 qualifying.
              I put with a SVD penny for 800 without a sight. With an eye I’ll get a squirrel in my eye for one and a half
              1. Rostovchanin
                Rostovchanin 20 July 2014 09: 30 New
                +7
                I put with a SVD penny for 800 without a sight. With an eye I’ll get a squirrel in my eye for one and a half

                I fully support you completely, but for 800 meters in a nickle without an aim ... already from 150 meters it is impossible to make out a nickel ...
                1. johnsnz
                  johnsnz 20 July 2014 10: 31 New
                  0
                  gee .... and there is a pyatyatka ... beat the dispute
                  1. suomi76
                    suomi76 20 July 2014 10: 51 New
                    +6
                    For three years, there was a prize of $ 10000 on the hansa for hitting a tiger from a nickel from 300 meters. For 200 meters, a brick is hidden behind the fly. You can count.
                    Congratulations to the lie. love
                    1. johnsnz
                      johnsnz 20 July 2014 11: 01 New
                      -2
                      I can shoot a nickel shot
                      somewhere there is a photo
              2. kartalovkolya
                kartalovkolya 20 July 2014 10: 40 New
                +8
                In a penny, at 800 m and without optics, well, you are a brother of Munchausen, but I am from my "Stoiger" only from 50 m to a penny without a sight (because it is barely visible). Whistle and very "artistic".
                1. johnsnz
                  johnsnz 20 July 2014 10: 54 New
                  -4
                  Would you like to check?
                2. DONCHANKA
                  DONCHANKA 20 July 2014 11: 04 New
                  +3
                  It is possible with optics. Although ... It is doubtful. Shot at 100 m. Near the target. 800 may be ........
            2. jonh
              jonh 20 July 2014 09: 23 New
              -24 qualifying.
              you will not go in the first place. and about the warrior and some kill the others. so I have a military education and they kill both of them there. and you also need to turn on the brain and really analyze it. in the eastern regions, traditionally there was an electorate of Yanukovych and his oligarchs. and after the fall of Yanukovych, the local oligarchs were really afraid of the redistribution of property. no one killed anyone and the Ukrainian army was not in the eastern regions until the seizures of the airborne forces and military units began. and if you look at the legal basis, then the Ukrainian authorities really bear responsibility for the lives and freedoms of their citizens, and therefore the security forces were brought to Donbas, and any other state would have acted precisely on the basis of international law. and taking up arms automatically, the militia put themselves outlawed and set up the rest of the population
              1. johnsnz
                johnsnz 20 July 2014 09: 28 New
                0
                Who is the law ???? You????
                No, John ..... not a brother.
                I will unsubscribe ... after victory
                1. jonh
                  jonh 20 July 2014 09: 33 New
                  -14 qualifying.
                  the law is the law. and there are norms that are valid for everyone. and whoever believes that with arms in his hands he can achieve something, he puts himself outside the law. By the way, in the Russian Federation canceled the article for participating in hostilities in other countries and in the armed forces of other countries for citizens of the Russian Federation?
                  1. gb69
                    gb69 20 July 2014 10: 07 New
                    +7
                    the law is the law. and there are norms that are valid for all
                    Where is the law in effect in Moldova after April 7, 2009? The country "lies", everyone is indignant (more than half), and you have "democracy, law, integration", everything is erased by the United States. The country is governed from the Regional Committee to Washington .... the law ....
                    1. jonh
                      jonh 20 July 2014 10: 19 New
                      -2
                      don't ask me stupid questions. the law as before April 9 in Moldova did not apply and after April 9 did not apply. my desire to act. when everyone will apply and honor the law, then then the mess in the world will become less
                      1. johnsnz
                        johnsnz 20 July 2014 10: 34 New
                        +1
                        What, really shitty? Come on brother with me
                      2. Shur
                        Shur 20 July 2014 15: 13 New
                        +1
                        Disagree with yourself - and it’s kind of for the law and kind of looking for whose. There are such laws that should not be violated even if they are not written and believe the sentences are very harsh, even though it seems that they will never be executed. The truth is always one, and as you don’t twist its tail under the new owner, it will not change.
                    2. kartalovkolya
                      kartalovkolya 20 July 2014 11: 06 New
                      +1
                      This "Moldovan" has a teacher named "Psaki" and he himself seems to be an American provocateur, but one conversation with the provocateurs is to drown in the toilet!
                  2. kartalovkolya
                    kartalovkolya 20 July 2014 10: 56 New
                    +1
                    Yes, the laws seem to be not written for the national bogeymen and their defenders (like you), they have already begun to shoot down passenger planes and at the same time yell that it was the "Cossacks" who shot down from the checkpoint (it looks like at an altitude of 10000 m. crumbled "! Oh, you idiots! And beware of making statements about the laws of the Russian Federation, you don't really know your own!"
                  3. Cossack Ermak
                    Cossack Ermak 20 July 2014 12: 31 New
                    +3
                    Quote: jonh
                    the law is the law. and there are norms that are valid for everyone. and whoever believes that with arms in his hands he can achieve something, he puts himself outside the law. By the way, in the Russian Federation canceled the article for participating in hostilities in other countries and in the armed forces of other countries for citizens of the Russian Federation?

                    You contradict yourself dear. Outside of the law was the very fact that the Kiev junta came to power. Really not legal from the point of view of all world laws.
              2. Matroskin 18
                Matroskin 18 20 July 2014 09: 29 New
                +4
                and you also need to turn on the brain and really analyze it. in the eastern regions, traditionally there was an electorate of Yanukovych and his oligarchs. and after the fall of Yanukovych, the local oligarchs were really afraid of the redistribution of property. no one killed anyone and the Ukrainian army was not in the eastern regions until the seizures of the airborne forces and military units began. and if you look at the legal basis, then the Ukrainian authorities really bear responsibility for the lives and freedoms of their citizens, and therefore the security forces were brought to Donbas, and any other state would have acted precisely on the basis of international law. and taking up arms automatically, the militia put themselves outlawed and set up the rest of the population

                But what about the referendum? Or you, dear, did not hear about him? Or do you think people are animals without voting rights?
                1. jonh
                  jonh 20 July 2014 09: 42 New
                  -20 qualifying.
                  Any court can hold such a referendum and no one will recognize it. referenda also provide for a specific legal procedure. and if you scroll back we get. First, the seizure of air traffic control and military units, and then there was a referendum. and don’t have to make round eyes and wonder why no one recognizes these results
                  1. Eragon
                    Eragon 20 July 2014 10: 42 New
                    +8
                    At first there was an armed coup in Kiev. And I, nevertheless, make surprised eyes - can it be recognized, but is there no referendum in New Russia?
                    1. jonh
                      jonh 20 July 2014 10: 51 New
                      -13 qualifying.
                      there was no armed coup in Kiev. Yanukovych remained in his place, conducted an amnesty until he escaped, despite the fact that he was guaranteed immunity. no one was going to make a sacrifice from it. they were going to court. glad remained the same. no one seized power and usurped, but as it should be according to the law, the speaker began to fulfill the duties of the president. early elections were announced. the president is selected. by the way, Salvador Allende died with weapons in the presidential palace. And how do you imagine the president of the country who is afraid to be in his own country? how will he manage his country on skype? the president is primarily a duty to the country and its people.
                      1. Shur
                        Shur 20 July 2014 15: 22 New
                        +3
                        In terms of guarantees, you are especially funny. Perhaps these are the same guarantees as those that Russia gave the United States and minions about not expanding NATO. Forgive me, you give out, to put it mildly, wishful thinking. God be with you. You understand to lie a lot or lie a little anyway, and you will answer for a lie anyway
                  2. kartalovkolya
                    kartalovkolya 20 July 2014 11: 12 New
                    +4
                    Oh, what a fine fellow, listen you are a supporter of "double standards", what the "Maidan people" were doing in Kiev is according to your lawfulness, and the fact that peaceful people in Donetsk and Lugansk expressed their will does not meet American interests and therefore it is illegal! Now your hidden essence has completely opened up, you are a provocateur and a real enemy yourself, and enemies must be destroyed!
                    1. jonh
                      jonh 20 July 2014 13: 23 New
                      -3
                      once again for the gifted I explain. I did not support what was happening in Kiev and your beloved Yanukovych had at least 3 options so as not to come to what is happening in Ukraine now. 1. hold a referendum on where Ukraine is moving west or east. 2.stuff everything in the bud and 3. voluntarily leave yourself and call an early election. what was done after it was done under pressure and Yanukovych at that moment turned into a doll and nothing more. and I take an independent position. but who do you serve? while you had to fight for the people of Ukraine, such as you were fighting for Yanukovych. so the sushi oars arrived. there is a war in the east and there will be no winners.
                      1. Shur
                        Shur 20 July 2014 15: 29 New
                        +1
                        You are either naive or just think that you know everything, but you probably even realize that the events at Vkrajini were not prepared for a year or two. Of the three options, there would be the same three variant outcome of the events: 1-falsification of any will to manifest or disruption of such a 2-civil war under the slogans of the fight against the tyrant (here Western rebels immediately appeared) 3-the same result as now. You are simply primitive.
                  3. DONCHANKA
                    DONCHANKA 20 July 2014 11: 18 New
                    +5
                    Information appeared - under the Donetsk and Lugansk regions discovered deposits of oil and, of course, gas. Deep-3 km. Up to 2 tons can be mined per day. Now everything is clear.
                    1. saag
                      saag 20 July 2014 12: 47 New
                      +1
                      Quote: DANISH
                      Up to 2 tons can be mined per day. Now everything is clear.

                      You know with such a debit, but at such a depth this is a purely unprofitable business, but if it were 10000 tons per day, then it would be clear
                    2. Shur
                      Shur 20 July 2014 15: 57 New
                      0
                      What can I say to this except - "ATO"
                  4. leglun
                    leglun 20 July 2014 11: 57 New
                    +4
                    Listen, in your Moldova, talk about the referendum. Transnistria, remember
                  5. Ramzaj99
                    Ramzaj99 20 July 2014 14: 27 New
                    +4
                    Quote: jonh
                    Any court can hold such a referendum and no one will recognize it. referenda also provide for a specific legal procedure. and if you scroll back we get. First, the seizure of air traffic control and military units, and then there was a referendum. and don’t have to make round eyes and wonder why no one recognizes these results

                    You are talking nonsense !!!
                    Do you remember the referendum in Kosovo, and how amicably everyone recognized it.
                    And the referendum in Crimea, and not a single bastard almost recognized.
                    So do not sing songs about legal procedures, all this is nonsense!
                    If the United States says to recognize, all unanimously recognize, if it says no, then no. Here you have all the legal procedures!
                  6. Shur
                    Shur 20 July 2014 15: 18 New
                    +1
                    Also go back to the situation in Kosovo. Although it is noticeable that your "scroller" is configured in a certain direction. Simply put, you can safely be declared suffering from double standards. This is such a venereal disease, it seems to you from the visiting European people transmitted, in the same way.
                  7. Vitaly72
                    Vitaly72 20 July 2014 16: 34 New
                    0
                    face of romanian nationality remember Kosovo
                2. DONCHANKA
                  DONCHANKA 20 July 2014 11: 13 New
                  13
                  Stupidly kill people without weapons. Entire houses and porches. Snipers work peacefully. GENOCIDE is obvious, already undisguised. Who doubts - trolls. I am from Donetsk ! !!
              3. RUSS
                RUSS 20 July 2014 09: 44 New
                +7
                Quote: jonh
                and therefore, the siloviki were led to Donbas, and any other state would have acted precisely on the basis of international law. and taking up arms automatically, the militia put themselves outlawed and set up the rest of the population


                There is some truth in your comment, but the militias put themselves outside the law, but did not substitute the population, remember Odessa they burned people and finished off and there is no mention of the militia there.
                1. jonh
                  jonh 20 July 2014 10: 07 New
                  -9
                  the atrocities of some do not justify the actions of others. By the way, I want a million and I know where to get it. and I will take it, but put myself above the law. do you think my desire justifies my action? No, it does not justify, but on the contrary classifies it as an integral part of the crime. By the way, note for what I got the most cons. for the fact that I do not divide the people of Ukraine into fascists and not fascists fool and I get tired of having a conversation with people whose level of thinking is at the level of teenagers 13-14 years old and who are happy that someone killed more than others and that they are not aware that those people in the Ukrainian army are soldiers who were separated from their families and that the state does not ask whether you want to go there or not. minus the health because awareness and your thinking are two different things. By the way, Ukrainians are not your brothers to me. I just impartially assessed how it looks from a legal point of view.
              4. kartalovkolya
                kartalovkolya 20 July 2014 10: 50 New
                +5
                So you are a Moldovan, and even with a "military education" and where did you "educate" so that you declare the actions of the fascists legal? Here I read your "nonsense" and remembered a Soviet joke about people like you: -American delegation arrived in Chisinau, well, they showed it all the "achievements of Soviet Moldova", but they do not lead by ear, not impressive. But when we entered the square and saw a Moldovan trolleybus, it started: "veri gud", "kollosal"! And to the guide's question about what surprised them so much? The Americans replied that, despite all the achievements of US science, they never taught monkeys to drive public transport (I heard this anecdote in 1972 in Chisinau). , the same Chisinau from the Cultural goods store: - please sell me the Globe of Moldova! Here are all your statements from this category!
                1. jonh
                  jonh 20 July 2014 13: 29 New
                  -4
                  it’s deeply violet for me that the representative of the couch troops thinks. It’s just for the gifted that I wrote that I assessed impartially purely from a legal point of view. but obviously luck does not allow to delve into the meaning of what is written. by the way, find out the definition not of fascism, but of national socialism and believe me you will be surprised how it clearly fits into the framework of this definition
              5. Simple
                Simple 20 July 2014 13: 02 New
                +3
                Quote: jonh
                ... then the Ukrainian authorities really bear responsibility for the lives and freedoms of their citizens ...


                Well yes. We see how Bandera ideology is responsible for racial purity.
              6. Shkodnick
                Shkodnick 20 July 2014 13: 48 New
                +2
                but what about the referendum of the LNR and the DNI ??? if the people didn’t want that shit that is now famously managed by the strings from overseas, do you think the people simply decided to support Yanukovych and others like him ??? cockerel, so we decided to live separately ...
              7. Shur
                Shur 20 July 2014 14: 58 New
                +1
                And is someone responsible for the coup? Didn’t the main law have been seized by the authorities and started screaming Nazi chants? Didn’t these people become terrorists without taking arms? You think strange, as a result, according to yours, some are still legal, while others are not, and according to what laws, according to yours? And that under international law, the presidents are overthrown and the parliament is stormed? So that you sing support us on the other side? And there were many such examples. It’s just politics and nothing personal, it’s funny about the oligarchs, well, even sadder by the results, but it still does not protect against falling shells on the head of the population.
              8. Vitaly72
                Vitaly72 20 July 2014 16: 30 New
                0
                Romanian does not understand Russian
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 20 July 2014 16: 05 New
            0
            Quote: jonh
            and I relate equally to those people who live in the eastern regions and to those who are in the rest of Ukraine. I do not divide them into fascists and not fascists

            Happy. I just can't do it
            Quote: johnsnz
            gee .... and there is a pyatyatka ... beat the dispute

            I’ll tell you my story. At school, they shot at NVP from small things. My right eye doesn’t see well, at 50 meters there are three of them — one in milk, two in 10.
            Shot almost to the touch))
      2. tanit
        tanit 20 July 2014 10: 09 New
        +1
        Romanians, excuse me, but anything happens. Plyusan, just in case Psaky.
        1. jonh
          jonh 20 July 2014 10: 20 New
          -16 qualifying.
          you went arias
          1. leglun
            leglun 20 July 2014 12: 00 New
            +3
            What a rude Moldavian you are. Come to us and take a bargain manenko with us, maybe you will speak differently !!!!
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 20 July 2014 13: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: jonh
            you went arias


            Better not to be rude, otherwise your "rating" will not allow you to leave comments or even "banned".
            1. jonh
              jonh 20 July 2014 14: 05 New
              -2
              and what are you suggesting that I give up my words, fall to my knees and beg for forgiveness? drinks
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 20 July 2014 15: 01 New
                +1
                Quote: jonh
                and what are you suggesting that I give up my words, fall to my knees and beg for forgiveness? drinks


                conduct a dialogue within the bounds of decency, and no one expects forgiveness from you, as well as a "fall" on your knees.
              2. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 20 July 2014 16: 16 New
                0
                Quote: jonh
                and what are you suggesting that I give up my words, fall to my knees and beg for forgiveness? drinks

                Heh, small but proud
    3. Matroskin 18
      Matroskin 18 20 July 2014 09: 25 New
      +3
      I’ll supplement it, as it overflows: I am Russian, I’m going to fight for the freedom of YOURS, MINER, people. I don't give a shit. It pains me to see the torn bodies of children and women. And you sit on, everything will be fine

      Of course "everything will be fine"! The National Guard will come, put him "in line", support the morale "with a bayonet in the ass" - he will be a glorious warrior! In Slavyansk and Kramatorsk so with everyone ...
      1. johnsnz
        johnsnz 20 July 2014 10: 37 New
        +1
        I do not agree, chtol? I got ready already. Everything except the gunshot I have.
      2. BIGLESHIY
        BIGLESHIY 20 July 2014 11: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Matroskin 18
        support the fighting spirit "with a bayonet in the ass"

        Or in the ass - depending on who comes.
    4. Tanya
      Tanya 20 July 2014 12: 53 New
      +4
      Russia gave you life, education, taught you to fight. Why are you leaving for Ukraine? Russia needs you. Who will protect Russian women and children when the need arises? Ukraine itself has brought up such "defenders", even if it pays for itself. You have to pay for everything in life. So the Ukrainians began to pay ... And this is just the beginning.
    5. atalef
      atalef 20 July 2014 15: 17 New
      0
      Quote: johnsnz
      Strong physically. I can a political instructor, put the boys.

      Well, who cares language there and without you enough
      Quote: johnsnz
      . Give money to the navigator. Need a good tablet

      Maybe better parabellum? wassat
      Quote: johnsnz
      I put with a SVD penny for 800 without a sight. With an eye I’ll get a squirrel in my eye for one and a half

      Squirrel, what did you do wrong? Or are you talking about a squirrel?
      Quote: johnsnz
      gee .... and there is a pyatyatka ... beat the dispute

      Poroshenko in a piglet?
      Quote: johnsnz
      I can shoot a penny shot somewhere there is a photo

      Will you ask for the same money for a fotik?
      Quote: johnsnz
      Would you like to check?

      What for ? We believe, we believe. belay
      Do you want a little book for free?
      1. Vitaly72
        Vitaly72 20 July 2014 16: 44 New
        0
        I’m looking under some kind of dome
  • Pro100Igor
    Pro100Igor 20 July 2014 08: 20 New
    +5
    Oh Igor Ivanovich, you would like a couple of our planes.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 08: 26 New
      11
      Quote: Pro100
      you should have a couple of our planes.

      It’s better to have these and so on in the Rada and the Presidential Administration. Only dust remained.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 20 July 2014 10: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It’s better to have these and so on in the Rada and the Presidential Administration. Only dust remained.

        I'm afraid there won't be enough strength, the reformers tried very hard ....
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 11: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: nycsson
          I'm afraid there won't be enough strength, the reformers tried very hard ....

          Oh, Niksson, listen, what did you post on refusing gas from Barroso?
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 20 July 2014 11: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Oh, Niksson, listen, what did you post on refusing gas from Barroso?

            Do you think I remember? Infa on the rejection of our gas is more than enough on all resources!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 11: 26 New
              0
              Quote: nycsson
              Do you think I remember? Infa on the rejection of our gas is more than enough on all resources!

              And what, a lot of refused?
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 20 July 2014 11: 53 New
                -2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And what, a lot of refused?

                I understand your humor! laughing Europe will soon refuse! Or do you think that in Ukraine all this was just started? Cutting off gas supplies from the Russian Federation is one of the tasks!
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 12: 22 New
                  +2
                  Quote: nycsson
                  Europe will soon refuse!

                  Years through 50 laughing
                  Quote: nycsson
                  Cutting off gas supplies from the Russian Federation is one of the tasks!

                  That's right, winter is coming, fuck this gas is needed lol
                  1. nycsson
                    nycsson 20 July 2014 19: 15 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Years through 50

                    Eh, Romanov, you are naive as our President ......
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    That's right, winter is coming, fuck this gas is needed

                    You might think that there is nothing to replace our gas with ?! By the way, the United States took the first place in gas production, overtaking Saudi Arabia ........
      2. Shur
        Shur 20 July 2014 16: 06 New
        0
        Roughly and why should the buildings be trashed by their remains. No, they must be calmly eliminated, so that the CIA FOR LONGER STILL SEARCHED THE REASONS. Say a virus causing a rare form of dementia
    2. Vik.Tor
      Vik.Tor 20 July 2014 08: 33 New
      13
      He would have official support for Russia, and not silence and waiting.
      1. ARS56
        ARS56 20 July 2014 09: 59 New
        15
        RUSSIA is waiting for ukrofashists to recruit and train in battle a full-fledged army, armed to the teeth from NATO reserves. It is with this very efficient, well-coordinated and well-armed army that the population of Russia will have to fight first in the Crimea, and then in the Rostov, Voronezh and Belgorod regions of Russia. Putin’s refusal from the bloodless alienation of Novorossia with all its resources and 90% of the population’s support has already led to enormous victims of the Russian population of Novorossia and a large number of volunteers from Russia. The best perished and perish. The rest will have to defend the territory of Russia itself from the aggression of ukrofashists who have full support and support from NATO and the United States. It is through the hands of Ukrainian fascists that NATO and the United States will try to destroy Russia, or at least seriously weaken and knock them out of the list of world powers. The policy of the wise silent ostrich with its exaggerated rating inflicts huge damage on Russia. After the Russian shame experienced by the betrayal of New Russia, the enemies of Russia will be sure that you, the ostrich, do not dare to protect the Russians in Russia itself. Here, too, only a militia will fight. After all, you do not dare to use the Russian army against the aggressor, as now you dare not stop the shelling of Russian territory by ukrofascists. Eternal shame on you, who has already committed the genocide of Russians in New Russia and put Russia in an extremely disadvantageous and dangerous position. I only regret that I always voted for you, the president of the oligarchs.
      2. pg4
        pg4 20 July 2014 11: 24 New
        +2
        It is possible and not official, the main thing is the supply of weapons.
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 20 July 2014 09: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: Pro100
      Oh Igor Ivanovich, you would like a couple of our planes.

      Give at least L39 ...
      After all, the Yaki ...
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 20 July 2014 10: 58 New
        -3
        Quote: Corsair
        Give at least L39 ...

        They made fun! It is from them ....... This is TCB!
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 20 July 2014 11: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: nycsson
          They made fun! It is from them ....... This is TCB!

          In skilled hands and X * R balalaika ...

          And in general, do not own the information, do not meddle with stupid comments.
          Lightweight multi-purpose attack aircraft L-39 Albatros
          Czech Republic

          The first flight of the light attack aircraft L-39ZO Albatross took place in August 1975 year. It was an armed version of the Aero Vodochody L-39 Albatros TCB. The aircraft differed from its prototype in its increased take-off mass, the presence of four suspension units for weapons and more advanced electronics for controlling weapons.

          Its modernized version was designated L-39ZА Albatross. This version differed from the L-39ZO in a reinforced hull, wings and chassis, and an integrated GSh-23L double-barreled gun. In 1992, by order of the Thai Air Force, the L-39ZA model was manufactured with installed electronics from the Israeli company Elbit, an Israeli navigation and weapon control system, a modernized pilot's cockpit system and underwing suspension units optimized for Western weapons.

          The aircraft were delivered to the following countries - Bangladesh (8), Bulgaria (36), Czechoslovakia (30 + 5 L-39MS), East Germany (52 L-39ZO), Iraq (59 L-39ZO), Libya (181 L-XN) Nigeria (39), Romania (24), Syria (32 + 44 L-55ZO), Thailand (39), Vietnam (40).

          L-139 Albatros - TCB with the capabilities of a light attack aircraft, developed by the Czech company Aero Vodochody on the basis of the TC L-39 Albatros. The aircraft is equipped with Bendix / King avionics and Western-style engines. The first flight of the aircraft took place on May 8 1993 of the year.

          L-39C Albatros - a training aircraft for basic and advanced flight training with the possibility of training in the use of weapons, developed by the Czech company Aero Vodochody Akciova Spolecnost. The aircraft was intended to replace the L-29 Delphin TCB.

          The aircraft is designed to train flight personnel, and some modifications can be used as light attack aircraft and fighters. A prototype aircraft completed its first flight in November 1968, tests of a pre-production batch of aircraft were launched in 1971, and in 1972 the aircraft was put into serial production and began to be used by the Air Force of Czechoslovakia, the USSR, Bulgaria, Hungary, the German Democratic Republic, Afghanistan, Libya and Iraq. The aircraft is made according to the usual monoplane scheme with a low wing and a single tail tail. Its fuselage is structurally divided into two parts - front and rear. The front part, in turn, consists of three sections. The first section is the nose of the fuselage, where almost all on-board electronic equipment is mounted, access to which is provided through the hatches opening upwards. In the same section, the front pillar of the three-post aircraft landing gear retractable in flight is also located.

          The second section consists of a pressurized cabin with two 1 BRI ejection seats located one after the other, which ensure safe departure from the aircraft in the speed range from 150 to 700 km / h at altitudes from 0 to 12000 m. The cabin is equipped with an air conditioning system that automatically supports in the cabin, the set temperature in the range from + 10 єС to + 28 єС. Behind the cabin is the third section, which houses five fuel tanks with a total capacity of 1070 liters. At the rear of the fuselage is an airplane engine. This part of the fuselage together with the tail unit forms a separate structural unit, which, after the separation of several cable connections and rods, can be separated from the front. This facilitates maintenance work on the engine and speeds up its replacement.



          1. Corsair
            Corsair 20 July 2014 11: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            In skilled hands and X * R balalaika ...

            Read more.


            The aircraft is equipped with an AI-25TL turbojet engine with a thrust of 1720 kgf. Engine air collectors are located on both sides of the fuselage above the wing consoles in such a way that the wing protects them from the ingress of foreign objects when taking off from unpaved runways. The built-in auxiliary turbine "Sapphire-5" can be used to start the engine. The on-board radio-electronic equipment includes the R-832M VHF radio station, the RSBN-5S navigation system, the RKL-41 radio compass, and the RV-5 radio altimeter. The on-board intercom SPU-9 is used for negotiations between the crew members.

            Major modifications:

            L-39С - the first serial modification in the TCB version.
            L-39V is a single-seat modification of the target towing vehicle.
            L-39MS is an upgraded version with a DV-2 TVD.

            Tactical and technical characteristics of the aircraft:

            Year of adoption - 1976
            Wingspan - 9,46 m
            Aircraft length - 12,13 m
            Aircraft height - 4,77 m
            Wing area - 18,80 m2
            Weight, kg
            - empty aircraft - 3580
            - normal takeoff - 4635
            - maximum take-off - 5670
            Fuel kg
            - domestic fuel - 1136
            - PTB - 544 (2 x 350 L)
            Engine type - 1 TRD ZMDB Progress AI-25TL
            Thrust unformed - 1720 kgf
            Top speed - 910 km / h
            Cruising speed, km / h
            - at a height of 5000 m - 750
            - at sea level - 610
            Practical range - 1750 km
            Combat Range - 275-760 km
            Maximum rate of climb - 1260 m / min
            Practical ceiling - 11000 m
            Maximum Operating Overload - 12
            Crew - 1-2 pax

            Armament: 1 23 mm GSh-23L double-barreled cannon with 150 rounds. Combat load - 1100 kg at 4 hardpoints: 2 air-to-air missiles R-3 (AA-2) or R-60 (AA-8), 2 450 kg, 4 250 kg or 6 120 kg bombs , 4 PU 130-mm NUR C-130, PU UV-16-57 16x57-mm NUR. 1 container with cannon armament and 1 container with reconnaissance equipment.
            1. alone
              alone 20 July 2014 20: 56 New
              0
              Corsair, L-39, although it can be used as a light attack aircraft, but as a combat unit it will be more likely to be disposable. And it will not be able to oppose anything against the Mig-29 and Su-27.
              According to the reports for July 19-20, only one fact can be ascertained. The tactical and strategic advantage is in the hands of the Ukrainians. This is an actiom. I am not talking about firepower yet. The correct tactics of blocking roads have been chosen. About losses, this is war. We can’t do without losses.
              The lack of ammunition and militia personnel forces them to keep forces in large cities and in strongholds. No matter how many people talk about heroism and patriotism, there are no people to keep the front of the theater of operations. About the mass of volunteers, about general mobilization and nothing to say. those who want to fight, minuscule.

              P.S. The militia left Rubezhnoye. The Ukrainians entered Severodonetsk. The city of Lisichansk was next in turn. The Lisichansk ledge begins to cease to exist. The operational space between the two regions opens. What I wrote yesterday begins to be fulfilled. Debaltsovo is in line. can forget
  • Pro100Igor
    Pro100Igor 20 July 2014 08: 22 New
    24
    This is just amazing!
    1. tanit
      tanit 20 July 2014 08: 26 New
      12
      And not the thinnest and not the youngest faces of these "refugees" from the so-called army, can I not really see it alone?
    2. jonh
      jonh 20 July 2014 08: 50 New
      -22 qualifying.
      but about the Geneva Convention I heard surprised? and there ordinary guys are the same as you, and who did not dream at all to get where they got now. and the right sector is still hanging around on the Maidan, but they did their job. inspired residents of the Donbass and Lugansk region about fascist Ukraine and the fact that they were going to kill
      1. tanit
        tanit 20 July 2014 08: 56 New
        10
        But can you elaborate on this convention? It seemed like about the warring parties, right? Happening. when one side is fighting, and the second one isn’t provided? Not google, - Provided, internment is called, followed by trial. But these faces, swollen to see from hunger, sorry, respected. These faces make me angry.
        1. jonh
          jonh 20 July 2014 09: 28 New
          -10 qualifying.
          but about leaving in danger heard? that’s why Russian doctors render assistance because no one has canceled this and cases are not described to whom specifically to provide assistance and to whom not
      2. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov 20 July 2014 09: 08 New
        +8
        Quote: jonh
        but about the Geneva Convention I heard surprised? and there ordinary guys are the same as you, and who did not dream at all to get where they got now. and the right sector is still hanging around on the Maidan, but they did their job. inspired residents of the Donbass and Lugansk region about fascist Ukraine and the fact that they were going to kill

        Have you seen the muzzles of these "boys"? Guys 35-45 are obviously counterbass, if not mercenaries at all! And they are going to KILL!
        1. tanit
          tanit 20 July 2014 09: 13 New
          +1
          Writers do not see. That’s their share of writing.
        2. jonh
          jonh 20 July 2014 09: 26 New
          -7
          even the most notorious thugs are given medical attention. and those who think differently. Well then, how are they better than even the most notorious? really judged by actions and in words being better than others is just in words
          1. tanit
            tanit 20 July 2014 09: 38 New
            +3
            but that's right. The historical reference is the Republicans of Spain. Those who did not want to die, but did not give up, crossed the border with France. Medicine was provided to them. And the Francoists would also have received medical assistance. The degree of cization of the country.
            1. tanit
              tanit 20 July 2014 09: 46 New
              +2
              And Russia is helping even outright bandits. Degree of civilization.
              1. tanit
                tanit 20 July 2014 10: 20 New
                +1
                Destroy, when trying to cross the State Border with weapons - it would be more correct and correct. But -RF is not Zimbabwe.
                1. Eragon
                  Eragon 20 July 2014 10: 47 New
                  +6
                  More correctly, the Russian Federation is not Ukraine.
          2. denis_redis
            denis_redis 20 July 2014 14: 34 New
            +2
            But how, for example, Odessa fits into this very convention?
            If I am not mistaken, the seizures of administrative buildings began precisely with the western regions. Why then acting Turchynov in the lions and did not enter the troops?
            All your comments are one-sided.
            And what about the right sector? Did he still occupy Kiev? Why is the anti-terror regime against them not declared?
            It's just that you are adjusting the facts as you like!
          3. serega.fedotov
            serega.fedotov 20 July 2014 17: 12 New
            0
            Quote: jonh
            even the most notorious thugs are given medical attention. and those who think differently. Well then, how are they better than even the most notorious? really judged by actions and in words being better than others is just in words

            In my opinion, you turned a little in the wrong place - The question is not because it is necessary or inappropriate to provide assistance, (I am sure the members of the forum who call to "wet" for sure having seen the wounded dill, would not rush to "wet them", but potash them to the hospital!) the fact that the Ukrainians are constantly "spitting" on Russia, as it will "press" immediately to us and run for help!
            That agree least disgusting !!!
          4. Vitaly72
            Vitaly72 20 July 2014 18: 07 New
            0
            here you think correctly but the Romanian essence does not allow you to think correctly as a whole
        3. Matroskin 18
          Matroskin 18 20 July 2014 09: 35 New
          +4
          Have you seen the muzzles of these "boys"? Guys 35-45 are obviously counterbass, if not mercenaries at all! And they are going to KILL!

          And many have a criminal past! For the sake of such a "holy cause" they were given amnesty!
        4. domiemon
          domiemon 20 July 2014 11: 38 New
          +1
          Not the fact that the contractors. Now the reservists there are only so sweeping.
      3. Stanislas
        Stanislas 20 July 2014 10: 40 New
        +6
        Quote: jonh
        and the right sector is still hanging around on the Maidan, but they did their job. inspired residents of the Donbass and Lugansk region about fascist Ukraine and the fact that they were going to kill
        Isn't Yarosh in Dnepropetrovsk? Isn’t the Pravoseki in the National Guard? Something you greatly understate their role in these events. They did their job, taking up arms, Molotov cocktails, leading the Maidan and carrying out an armed coup d'etat in Kiev, and continue to do it in punitive detachments in the southeast and in New Russia. Without fascist PS members, Yanukovych would remain in power, Ukraine would be involved in joining the TS, and there would be no civil war. How could the Nazis suggest something to the inhabitants of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, if before the uprising of these regions there worked ukrotelebchenie, which inspired something completely different? And you want to whitewash the fascists, to show that this is a type of Kremlin creature to intimidate the South-East and hang all the dogs on Putin and Russia. Why do you need this? I can explain this only for two reasons: washing your brains (suggestions), or assigning your superiors, jonh.
        1. jonh
          jonh 20 July 2014 10: 56 New
          -5
          I don't whitewash anyone. and not me to live with it. Ukrainians and Russians are the closest peoples and even the edges are erased. but what happened for a long time drove a wedge. and I deeply side by side, Ukraine would join the CU or the EU. where they want and where they will be better this time will tell. so that as I noticed it wasn’t brainwashed
          1. leglun
            leglun 20 July 2014 12: 03 New
            +2
            Time will tell when you will join the EU and will ask to Russia to pay with us
            1. jonh
              jonh 20 July 2014 13: 32 New
              -2
              hear natsik you are not talking to those who are going to work for you.
              1. IAlex
                IAlex 20 July 2014 14: 41 New
                +1
                Have you already dealt with the damned yams in Transnistria and the Gagauz people who don’t recognize European values, the direction to rid Europe of them, and decided to get pies from the Maidan from the Fourth Reich?
          2. Shur
            Shur 20 July 2014 16: 13 New
            0
            The whole problem is that this is one people, but all kinds of enemies have done differently.
          3. brisk
            brisk 20 July 2014 16: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: jonh
            jonh Today, 10:56 ↑ New
            I don't whitewash anyone. and not me to live with it. Ukrainians and Russians are the closest peoples and even the edges are erased. but what happened for a long time drove a wedge. and I deeply side by side, Ukraine would join the CU or the EU. where they want and where they will be better this time will tell. so that as I noticed it wasn’t brainwashed


            Holy truth!
    3. Vitaly72
      Vitaly72 20 July 2014 16: 47 New
      0
      add-in underpants
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 July 2014 08: 24 New
    +9
    "The leadership of the Donetsk People's Republic announced the confiscation of the property of the governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igor Kolomoisky located on the territory of the DPR."

    It is high time. Venezuela’s experience is. There are also Akhmetov with Pinchuk and Firtash in line.
  • Deadmen
    Deadmen 20 July 2014 08: 27 New
    -7
    The militiamen at the factory came up with a modernization for the cars. The photo is not visible, but there is also a rotating turret. There is even a certificate.
    1. Vik.Tor
      Vik.Tor 20 July 2014 08: 39 New
      12
      And you are not mistaken, this is another ukromodernizatsiya, another miscarriage of their "defense". They want to send them to the border service.
    2. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 20 July 2014 08: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: Deadmen
      The militias at the factory came up with for the cars


      No need to spread any lies.

      The Nikolaev diesel locomotive repair plant transferred armored UAZs to the Lugansk border guards.

      There were such:



      They have become:



      Source: http: //nikvesti.com/news/politics/56311
      1. leglun
        leglun 20 July 2014 12: 05 New
        +1
        Well, the Chinese will be happy, they will buy such good !!!
      2. Shkodnick
        Shkodnick 20 July 2014 14: 03 New
        +3
        on a t-shirt epaulettes ??? What is this for???
        1. Deadmen
          Deadmen 21 July 2014 17: 33 New
          0
          source Rus spring Th minus that
      3. lelikas
        lelikas 20 July 2014 18: 34 New
        0
        Quote: wanderer_032
        They have become:

        Like it or not, they wanted to make a VW transporter out of a loaf!
    3. Dezinto
      Dezinto 20 July 2014 09: 40 New
      +5
      Yesterday I already spoke about this work - what is this .... nya? )))

      Ukrainian aircraft industry .:
    4. BIGLESHIY
      BIGLESHIY 20 July 2014 11: 13 New
      +1
      Who guessed to book the details of a mobile airfield? fabulous dolby.
    5. leglun
      leglun 20 July 2014 12: 04 New
      +1
      What a nightmare, what a nightmare the Chinese are resting
  • raketnik
    raketnik 20 July 2014 08: 28 New
    +8
    Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavel Klimkin admits the participation of foreign troops in the so-called "anti-terrorist" operation in Donbas.


    According to him, the Ukrainian authorities are considering any possibilities to restore order in the country. Klimkin noted that within the framework of the association agreement with the EU, "combat tactical groups" could be created to fight in the East. “There are a lot of ideas that we will be working on,” he summed up. He also said that in the near future Ukraine, along with Georgia and Moldova, will be able to become "almost an ally of NATO," apparently, just as it has become "almost" a European country. In general, according to the minister, the use of foreign military personnel is not on the agenda today.
    WHAT TO WRITE EVEN I DO NOT KNOW
    1. Deadmen
      Deadmen 20 July 2014 08: 33 New
      +4
      and who will go there only American mercenaries and the Baltic states.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 20 July 2014 08: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Deadmen
        and who will go there only American mercenaries and the Baltic states.

        Only rabble, in short.
      2. DPZ
        DPZ 20 July 2014 10: 01 New
        +2
        Belarusians gather the army, train it, prepare it on their territory, so that later they can send them to fight on the side of dill.
        1. Shkodnick
          Shkodnick 20 July 2014 14: 07 New
          +1
          But what about neutrality? because they wrote that the authorities of Belarus are against their citizens fighting both on the side of dill and on the side of the militia ??? do they really allow you to train ??? I think this is disinformation.
        2. Vitaly72
          Vitaly72 20 July 2014 18: 19 New
          0
          I think that in Crimea everything is not so clear
          1. Shkodnick
            Shkodnick 20 July 2014 21: 33 New
            0
            and what is ambiguous ??? I’m relaxing in Crimea now, talking with people, of course, everything is still not very good, but people understand that it’s not good right away, but they know what will be better, the only Tatars, I talked with a woman (Crimean Tatar), says that some Tatars still hope that Ukraine will return Crimea, but there are few of them ...
  • Tigrus
    Tigrus 20 July 2014 08: 31 New
    +3
    Kolomoisky’s property to all the people of New Russia! Good luck to the militia and Strelkov!
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 20 July 2014 08: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Tigrus
      Kolomoisky’s property to all the people of New Russia! Good luck to the militia and Strelkov!

      Until the stake, this rat will trample the earth and trash the air?
      When will he go to Sasha Biloma in one pot? ...! am
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 20 July 2014 08: 35 New
    16
    The situation is getting worse every day, let's be realistic. 4 days ago, everything seemed exactly the opposite, when Strelkov begins to say that everything is getting shitty, that’s shitty, remember Slavyansk, a month before the retreat, he started saying that everything is very sad, now it's the same tender ... at such a pace by autumn they will be completely crushed.
    1. Iline
      Iline 20 July 2014 09: 05 New
      +7
      Without enough heavy equipment, it is impossible to fight the army. And Strelkov is aware of this.
      "And will you personally allocate machine guns, uniforms, boots, transport, financial support and food and a thousand other necessary things? Then I'm ready to announce in an hour ... We have nothing to arm the volunteers with, and you" mo-bi-li-za- tion!

      You can’t argue with a slingshot against a tank. It remains to hope for a miracle and trust in God. The situation is very serious and it becomes very alarming for the guys.
    2. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 20 July 2014 09: 19 New
      +7
      The militia must hold out until the autumn thaw, the intensity of the fighting will immediately decrease, and the shorter and more developed communications will work, and then the winter will dill out of the dill with the placement and supply of haemorrhoids. nothing good.
      In general good luck Strelkova, fortune thank them abundantly!
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 20 July 2014 09: 48 New
        +6
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        The militia must hold out until the autumn thaw, the intensity of the fighting will immediately decline,


        Well, what a mess? Now you don’t think of other wars and technologies by the standards of the Second World War, until the fall they will squeeze the Donbass, well, or until the winter ...
        1. serega.fedotov
          serega.fedotov 20 July 2014 11: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: RUSS
          Well, what a mess? Now you don’t think of other wars and technologies by the standards of the Second World War, until the fall they will squeeze the Donbass, well, or until the winter ...

          You know, maybe the standards are different, but the technique is still on wheels! The company "eats" up to 5 tons per DAY (ammunition, food, money, fuel, etc.) And dirt roads have a "habit" with intensive use, turn into a swamp in which even tanks are sinking (I have not seen it myself), in addition, the streams that the Ural will easily pass in the summer with rains will become impassable (without equipment for crossings) This means that the number of transport arteries will be reduced, and mine warfare will reach another level! and these are people.
          And do not forget: people are fighting, who need to bask, live somewhere, Wear something, you can laugh but wet pea jackets, if they are worn for a couple of days, greatly reduce combat readiness (I went and I know what I'm talking about)
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 20 July 2014 13: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: serega.fedotov
            And do not forget: people are fighting, who need to bask, live somewhere, Wear something, you can laugh but wet pea jackets, if they are worn for a couple of days, greatly reduce combat readiness (I went and I know what I'm talking about)


            This is partly true, but I want to add once again - the weather conditions are at a minimum degree of difficulty for ukrovoyak, "muddy" is the most insignificant problem in the South-East, Kiev's problems in the Donbass should be different, give up hopes for the weather, especially the climate there softer at times than in our middle lane.
            1. serega.fedotov
              serega.fedotov 20 July 2014 17: 04 New
              0
              Quote: RUSS
              This is partly true, but I want to add once again - the weather conditions are at a minimum degree of difficulty for ukrovoyak, "muddy" is the most insignificant problem in the South-East, Kiev's problems in the Donbass should be different, give up hopes for the weather, especially the climate there softer at times than in our middle lane.

              So I immediately wrote the hope for the winter not only in the military aspect nor in the economic one!
              Now the junta spends gigantic funds on the war instead of the economy, but it can't go on for so long, and with the worsening weather, expenses will EXTREMELY grow, "master", whether the junta is not known. So far, everything is attributed to the war, but how many people in a war frenzy can be passed through if is the plate empty?
              Even major unrest in the country can put an end to the atom, And even more so the new Maidan!
              Truth must admit, the junta also understands this,
    3. Megazorg
      Megazorg 20 July 2014 09: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: Marrying
      4 days ago everything seemed exactly the opposite

      Personally, I didn’t think anything like it four days ago. It is clear that the militia has little strength. And the enemy has a lot. and four days ago it was so, and forty-four. A militia cannot advance, only defend itself. Therefore, lose purely mathematically, it is only a matter of time. No matter how many more checkpoints they fired, no matter how many columns they defeated. This will not affect the final result. And saving the civilian population from shelling, the militia will eventually be forced to leave.
      1. Shur
        Shur 20 July 2014 16: 21 New
        0
        It was immediately clear that people resist and no more, but pride takes over these people and still they stand. It’s not them, I’m sorry myself that I can’t help them, that a couple of diagnoses interfere with living, and not just fighting. Glory to the heroes! This feat is accomplished in silence, without loud praise, and there it is accomplished.
    4. Vik.Tor
      Vik.Tor 20 July 2014 11: 30 New
      +4
      So the situation in the war often changes, the Ukrainians threw another reinforcement, and the militia rested on sheer enthusiasm. If some have recharge, while others do not, then this is very bad, what’s the time for our government to get out of the ostrich’s position and render Novorossia military help, not obviously so secret.
  • siberalt
    siberalt 20 July 2014 08: 35 New
    10
    On TV they show how the runaway miners of Donbass find a new job in the mines in the Far East. Well, they can’t live without a mine! And so as not to interfere.
    1. Banshee
      Banshee 20 July 2014 09: 22 New
      +5
      Dwarf is forever.
  • svp67
    svp67 20 July 2014 08: 35 New
    +6
    And they are going to fight "to the bitter end" so that, having defeated the militia, with an experienced and victorious army, they will recapture the Crimea. "
    This is now most of all scary
    This is not panic, not "Igor Ivanovich is sad," but the real state of affairs, a statement of the obvious fact of complete, but somewhere absolute superiority of the enemy. Help us Lord
    HELP PLEASE
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 July 2014 08: 36 New
    +4
    It is clear that dill has ten-fold superiority in manpower, not to mention everything else. And their army is slowly learning, involuntarily (otherwise they will kill).
    The militia is holding out for now. The situation changes a lot every day. The "red wheel" of the civil war is spinning faster and faster.
    Militia stopped using MANPADS? For a long time not heard about the downed Sushki.
    Do not give up, Novorossi. All of Russia is looking at you.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 20 July 2014 10: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Militia stopped using MANPADS? For a long time not heard about the downed Sushki

      Yesterday they said that one seemed to fail. Ian had; Confirmation came about the downed drying, destroyed in the area of ​​Old Krasnianka.
  • Crang
    Crang 20 July 2014 08: 37 New
    -3
    And what to write? Putin just leaked our Russian and Ukrainian brothers. Just leaked. Ossetians were protected, but they did not care about the Russians.
    1. tanit
      tanit 20 July 2014 08: 48 New
      +7
      Ossetians, and indeed the Abkhaz, first defended themselves. Then there were Russian peacekeepers (tomorrow morning I’ll leave for Abkhazia in the dew, maybe the last time I climbed you — it was such a soldier’s song, Totsk peacekeepers) And then - and only then these two independent states emerged, recognized not only by Russia.
      1. Kail_seven
        Kail_seven 20 July 2014 13: 28 New
        +1
        Speak yourself defended, in how short the memory is:
        “The Transdniestrian Moldavian Republic from the first days of the war provided assistance to the Abkhaz people. Volunteers were traveling to the republic from Transnistria, and material and technical assistance was provided at the state level. In January 1993, an agreement on friendship and cooperation was concluded between the PMR and Abkhazia. This was the next step in supporting the fraternal people, and in Abkhazia they will always remember this. ”Alexander Vataman.
        "According to the data of Mikhail Zhirokhov, in the fall of 1992, with the beginning of active hostilities, several Su-25 attack aircraft were deployed to the conflict area, which were ideally suited for covering helicopters, and subsequently for delivering preventive strikes against Georgian positions."
        "In 2009, Yevgeny Primakov, who held the post of Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation from 1991 to 1996, mentioned in an interview about the shelling of Georgian positions by unmarked aircraft in 1993."
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 July 2014 08: 43 New
    +6
    Everything is very bad !!! Tactical victories in minor sectors cannot change the strategic environment and the results of strategic defeats! And the surrender of the White and Merry Tarasovka is on our scale precisely a strategic defeat!

    Everything goes out ..? And all the victims are in vain ..? Should Russia join the war? Weapons are ... the population is large (Donetsk Lugansk millionaires) Our boys should intervene ..? (100 years ago intervened ..) That's something so bl ..
    1. saag
      saag 20 July 2014 09: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      There is a weapon.

      where is it?
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 20 July 2014 09: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: saag
        Quote: MIKHAN
        There is a weapon.

        where is it?

        Yes there is ... In warehouses .. Just hoh .. they are sitting and hiding fat ...))) 5 thousand Galicians put cancer all over Ukraine .. Do you remember the rallies of "white" 50-100 thousand majors in Moscow? Do you think Omon and the secret services dispersed them ..? Alas, no .. the province tensed and warned once again this we will come with a pitchfork and tear you snickering .. I'm not a fan of Putin and the government, but if someone starts to rock the state, sorry .. (I remember the 90s very well ..)
        Ukraine ce Europe well let them feel in all its glory ..
        1. saag
          saag 20 July 2014 10: 10 New
          +1
          In the warehouses, say, are you talking about the shooter or something? Shooter wrote that two or three heavy artillery battalions and a couple of dozen tanks would not hurt him, so in what warehouses does Strelkov look for all this stuff?
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 20 July 2014 11: 16 New
          -2
          Quote: MIKHAN
          I'm not a fan of Putin and the authorities, but if anyone starts to rock the state, I'm sorry ..

          You surprised me! But do not you think that our government is swaying our state with its actions?
    2. the polar
      the polar 20 July 2014 09: 19 New
      +7
      [quote = MIKHAN] [quote] Our boys should intervene ..? (100 years ago they intervened ..) Here's something so bl .. [/ quote]
      The conversation is not about "boys and girls", but about the fact that thanks to the "wise 20-year policy" of the Kremlin, a neo-Nazi state has appeared at the borders of Russia. And having crushed Donbass it will not stop there.
      "Putin" will always sit out and pay off, but Russia will have to pay with a lot of blood for their policy, although there is still a possibility, with little blood, in the bud, to destroy Bandera's neo-Nazism.
      1. Banshee
        Banshee 20 July 2014 09: 24 New
        +5
        No, dear, unfortunately, it's not about neo-fascism banderlogov. And the one who this neo-fascism fed and raised. Who needs a fire with us in the first place?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 20 July 2014 10: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Banshee
          Who needs a fire in our first place?

          It is these firebugs that need to be "extinguished" together in Novorossiya. And once and for all, indicate WHERE the zone of VITAL interests for the Russian Federation passes ...

          But for this we need DECISIVE and WILLful actions of the Kremlin ...
          But the profanity that is not happening now ...
      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 20 July 2014 10: 11 New
        -4
        Quote: Polar
        The conversation is not about "boys and girls", but about the fact that thanks to the "wise 20-year policy" of the Kremlin

        I’m minus you for this, and without comment .. That is, that is ..
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 20 July 2014 11: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          I’m minus you for this, and without comment .. That is, that is ..

          Maybe plus? No logic!
      3. nycsson
        nycsson 20 July 2014 11: 12 New
        0
        [quote = polar] [quote = MIKHAN] [quote] Our boys should intervene ..? (100 years ago intervened ..) That's something so bl .. [/ quote]
        The conversation is not about "boys and girls", but about the fact that thanks to the "wise 20-year policy" of the Kremlin, a neo-Nazi state has appeared at the borders of Russia. And having crushed Donbass it will not stop there.
        "Putins" will always sit out and pay off, but Russia will have to pay with a lot of blood for their policy, although there is still a possibility, with little blood, to destroy Bandera's neo-Nazism in the bud. [/ quote]
        I subscribe to every word! I will say more! All this time, our government conducted a treacherous policy towards our own people !!!! am
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 20 July 2014 10: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Our boys should intervene ..? (100 years ago they intervened ..) That's something so bl ..

      A weapon in sufficient quantities can be given, or what?
    4. nycsson
      nycsson 20 July 2014 11: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Everything goes out ..? And all the victims are in vain ..? Should Russia join the war? Weapons are ... the population is large (Donetsk Lugansk millionaires) Our boys should intervene ..? (100 years ago intervened ..) That's something so bl ..

      What do you want? Sometimes it is necessary to protect national interests, even with great blood! The president must be brave and decisive in these matters! And do not lead an ostrich policy! And the next in line Crimea! I think that at such a pace, by the end of the summer, they will reach him. You need to understand perfectly who you are dealing with! And it turns out, on the one hand, we are in the WTO, we are destroying the education system, we cut the army and navy, and on the other hand we have become a bone in the throat of the world government !!! Where is the logic???????? Maybe it’s time to declare universal nationalization of the strategic sector of the economy, or rather, what is left of it !? Maybe it's time to build a mobilization economy !? And then, it turns out that ours is playing along with the West !!!!!! Correct me if I'm wrong!!!!
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 20 July 2014 11: 28 New
        -5
        Quote: nycsson
        What do you want? Sometimes it is necessary to protect national interests, even with great blood!

        Well, then go volunteer .. or send your son .. Pi .. be on the couch are all very happy ..! You ask where is the logic? The logic will be when you will bury your son ..! (dead for hoh .. who persistently cut coal in the mines .. and do not want to climb out of the mines ..) Do not anger me ... hi
        1. Kail_seven
          Kail_seven 20 July 2014 13: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Quote: nycsson
          What do you want? Sometimes it is necessary to protect national interests, even with great blood!
          Well, then go volunteer .. or send your son .. Pi .. be on the couch are all very happy ..! You ask where is the logic? The logic will be when you will bury your son ..! (dead for hoh .. who persistently cut coal in the mines .. and do not want to climb out of the mines ..) Do not anger me ...


          Where did you get the idea that "they stubbornly chop the coal in the mines .. and do not want to get out of the mines", or you know better in the Urals who, how and for what is fighting there, sometimes it seems to me that people like you and unfortunately they are very many, see only what they want to see. It is written to you in black and white: I. Seeker: "And will you personally allocate machines, uniforms, boots, transport, financial support and food and a thousand other necessary things? Then I'm ready to announce in an hour ... volunteers-there is nothing to arm, and you are "mo-bi-li-zatsiya!" You either didn't read the article, or you didn't notice this part on purpose. Or maybe you haven't noticed the part where it says that there is practically no ammunition for counter battery operation? But no, you and people like you do not notice this, and continue to blame the civilian population of Lugansk and Donetsk for some kind of imaginary passivity. To blame for the fact that they once believed our president "... we will protect the residents if we are asked ..." Your logic reminds me: "they burned themselves."
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 20 July 2014 19: 21 New
          0
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Well, then go volunteer .. or send your son .. Pi .. be on the couch all the more ..! You ask where is the logic? The logic will be when you will bury your son ..! (dead for hoh .. who persistently cut coal in the mines .. and do not want to climb out of the mines ..)

          Yes, I would go to war, but without an order I can’t! And my sons are still small. The eldest is seven years old, and the youngest is several months old! You know, but I understood your logic! You are the same as the people in Ukraine, who hid in their burrows. You are for stability .... But I will not hide. I’m ready to die for my homeland. I swore allegiance to her! I serve her and I will continue to serve!
  • Carlos
    Carlos 20 July 2014 08: 43 New
    +1
    Hold on guys!
    1. Dave36
      Dave36 20 July 2014 08: 52 New
      +7
      When do you write such lines, to whom are they ?? I hold on ... but the militias have no time to sit on the net ...
  • wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 20 July 2014 08: 46 New
    +4
    The main road along which the junta plans to supply its groups in the operation to dissect the militia forces Slavyansk-Artyomovsk-Debaltsevo-Antratsit-further e.g. to Novoshakhtinsk.
    There, judging by reports from the militia, the juntas set up checkpoints to control it.
    So they plan to settle down seriously.
    I think that the militia has no choice but to strike raids on the supply lines of the junta, which can seriously hinder their actions.
    Good old tactics of mine warfare and ambushes, we must wean the enemy to calmly drive along the roads and generally move without fear and in full growth.
  • pas682010
    pas682010 20 July 2014 08: 49 New
    13
    Russia seems to hand over militias. Isn't the president ashamed?
    1. Banshee
      Banshee 20 July 2014 09: 05 New
      +9
      Russia will not surrender the militia.
      The president is not Russia yet. And what exactly is the Russian president now, I don’t even want to discuss.
      1. Vik.Tor
        Vik.Tor 20 July 2014 09: 21 New
        +7
        Roman, I deeply respect your opinion, but according to the president, his position could be more active, Russia is still not a "banana republic". And the question of more supplies to Novorossiya are planned? Should we Russians help the militias in a difficult struggle with the enemy?
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 20 July 2014 09: 54 New
          +4
          [quote = Vik.Tor] Roman, I deeply respect your opinion, but according to the president, his position could be more active,

          It is more active, either we don’t know much or really there is NO and never will be help, I don’t argue much about humanitarian aid.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 20 July 2014 11: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: RUSS
            It is more active, either we don’t know much or really there is NO and never will be help, I don’t argue much about humanitarian aid.

            Help IS, but modest and therefore insufficient.
            The tanks of the Nazis are now operational (according to Strelkov) 700 - 800 units, a sea of ​​MLRS and barreled artillery, aviation and, most importantly, a well-functioning rear area capable of supplying, repairing and servicing it ...
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 20 July 2014 09: 16 New
      -6
      Quote: pas682010
      Russia seems to hand over militias. Isn't the president ashamed?

      If need be we will hand over ... I remembered the film "Liberation" Stalin to Zhukov "Kiev to hand over ..! You are crazy ..." They surrendered all the same ... Only then they took Berlin ..! We can’t fight now! Ukraine is already there is no such thing .. The population is duped and hostile (miners chop coal .. when their cities and towns are bombed ..) Remember Chechnya .. (media screams of the 200th) In Ukraine, everything will be much cooler (if we enter ..) money is like in the gas pipe will flow .. (they will just destroy, destroy and destroy ..) From all countries there scum will catch up for big money .. Show "Slavs are killing Slavs .." in all cinemas of the world ..! Think who is interested in this ..! And it is the hornet's nest that needs to be cut down ... Here are the things in the tank forces ... hi
      1. saag
        saag 20 July 2014 09: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        If you need to hand over ...


        I have no doubt that the authorities and other oligarchs need this, and that they will also give up little doubt, too troublesome for their business, some losses

        Quote: MIKHAN
        .I remembered the film "Liberation" Stalin Zhukov "Kiev surrender ..! You went crazy ..." They surrendered all the same .. Only then they took Berlin

        Incorrect comparison, absolutely, the cases are different, no one will take anything back in the current case, this is all so obvious
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 20 July 2014 10: 02 New
          0
          Quote: saag
          Quote: MIKHAN
          If you need to hand over ...


          I have no doubt that the authorities and other oligarchs need this, and that they will also give up little doubt, too troublesome for their business, some losses

          Quote: MIKHAN
          .I remembered the film "Liberation" Stalin Zhukov "Kiev surrender ..! You went crazy ..." They surrendered all the same .. Only then they took Berlin

          Incorrect comparison, absolutely, the cases are different, no one will take anything back in the current case, this is all so obvious

          I wrote what I think .... I don’t impose my opinion .. I just imagined when the 200th our soldiers will go to Russia! The war will be sure I feel genes only not in Ukraine ..!
          1. saag
            saag 20 July 2014 10: 12 New
            +4
            Quote: MIKHAN
            I just imagined when our soldiers will go to Russia!

            A familiar stamp, the question is - why in the state army? How is the tool?
            1. MIKHAN
              MIKHAN 20 July 2014 10: 37 New
              0
              Quote: saag
              Quote: MIKHAN
              I just imagined when our soldiers will go to Russia!

              A familiar stamp, the question is - why in the state army? How is the tool?

              According to the idea, yes .. That's only while it is weak with us ..! In the United States, the Army is politics and enrichment .. (the machine works and prints pieces of paper ..) Who is against the dollar? (all are bombed and destroyed) Russia remains ..Here, the teeth break off really here ..))) Putin correctly says everything that against Russia is a boomerang on the forehead Who launched ..! bully In vain you woke up the Russian bear ... oh, nothing! soldier
              1. saag
                saag 20 July 2014 11: 15 New
                +1
                Quote: MIKHAN
                . That's just while it is weak with us ..!

                It’s never been that in critical times, so historically, the army wasn’t strong and ready for anything, you can watch from Peter I and it will always be that the army only became strong in war. The army as an instrument of the state is designed to protect the interests of the state, usually there are clashes with the army of another state, unfortunately they are killed in the war, but the military has the profession of protecting the interests of the homeland and, in which case, dying for it
                1. nycsson
                  nycsson 20 July 2014 11: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: saag
                  The army as an instrument of the state is intended to protect the interests of the state, usually there are clashes with the army of another state, unfortunately they are killed in the war, but the military has the profession to protect the interests of the homeland and, in which case, die for it

                  I completely agree! I look at what is happening in Ukraine and the tears are welling up! How so? How could our leadership allow this? What has our Foreign Ministry been doing all these years ??? After all, it was necessary to harness immediately! Do not send troops, but help with weapons, volunteers, etc. And if this would not be enough, then troops should be brought in! But .... as always there is but .... The mobilization component is collapsed; the army is equipped with year-conscripts; The military-industrial complex depends on the import of components, and above all from Ukraine;
                  1. saag
                    saag 20 July 2014 12: 57 New
                    +1
                    There is another nuance here, which plays an important role - imagine that as a result of this, oil and gas projects of the Russian Federation in Iraq, Syria (in plans), in Israel (also planned), Brazil, and Europe will be covered, it is the care of these things in Russia that is at the forefront plan
              2. nycsson
                nycsson 20 July 2014 11: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: MIKHAN
                According to the idea, yes .. That's only while it is weak with us ..!

                She was strong before the reform! I repeat, from 2008 of the year more than 90 combat regiments of fighter and attack aircraft were disbanded !!! The question is - why ??? Who needed it ???
                Quote: MIKHAN
                In vain you woke up the Russian bear ... oh, nothing!

                Yes, while he sleeps a sound sleep!
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 20 July 2014 11: 35 New
            0
            Quote: MIKHAN
            I just imagined when our soldiers will go to Russia!

            It is very bad that you can’t imagine how many 200's we have from alcohol, drugs, tobacco and corruption. I forgot about abortion!
            Quote: MIKHAN
            The war will be sure I feel genes only not in Ukraine ..!

            Of course it will be! The question is what! People or civil! I think the war will be civil! The degree of stupefaction of the population, of course, is large, but how much the thread does not curl, and the end will still be. And sooner or later, dullness will pass, especially when there is nothing to eat. Yes, there will be no vodka with beer, so that the brains get caught.
            1. MIKHAN
              MIKHAN 20 July 2014 11: 47 New
              0
              Quote: nycsson
              Of course it will be! The question is what! People or civil! I think the war will be civil!

              Dreaming about it ..? Navalny Nemtsov Udaltsov .. Sobchak .. on Red Square .. well, like that ..? negative Dream .. If this is all I will give up and go with a pitchfork to Moscow!
              1. nycsson
                nycsson 20 July 2014 19: 26 New
                0
                Quote: MIKHAN
                Dreaming about it ..? Navalny Nemtsov Udaltsov .. Sobchak .. on Red Square .. well, like that ..?

                Duty phrase! You are not the first to tell me this. Either fools or traitors dream about it. But I only state the facts.
      2. Banshee
        Banshee 20 July 2014 09: 27 New
        +3
        You're right. The analogies are obvious. That's just THEN Kiev was ours, and Chechnya is also on our territory. And now the geopolitical layout is different. Unfortunately.

        And the hornet's nest is necessary. Really needed. But, it seems to me, not quite real.
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 20 July 2014 11: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        miners cut coal ... when their cities and towns bomb ...

        But do not you think that this "coal" is not only the "bread of industry", but also the "fuel of Victory" ...
        WHERE do you think the funds from its implementation go?
        In addition, according to the information I have, illegal (and conditionally legal) miners - "holes" are "imposed" by the DPR authorities with LESS "taxes" than those when the "holes" worked under cops ...

        Do not plant WHY this is done, and WHAT?

        Not owning at least partially a picture of what is happening, you talk about something incomprehensible to you ...
      4. nycsson
        nycsson 20 July 2014 11: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        If you need to hand over ...

        wassat We are observing the start of an exonerating screech! fool And you only do the last 23 of the year that you are surrendering our national interests !!! am
        Quote: saag
        I have no doubt that the authorities and other oligarchs need this, and that they will also give up little doubt, too troublesome for their business, some losses

        Yes, it was clear from the start! At first I was led to the Crimea, and then I scratched my turnip, something was wrong! I have a feeling that they don’t even understand where they got involved !? wassat And let’s surrender because if you don’t surrender, then it will be necessary to redo the thieves ’economy into a mobilization one! And oh, it’s not profitable for them! We'll have to give all the loot, moreover, we will have to plow from dawn to dusk, but they are not used to working! It’s much easier to sit on a pipe and put people's money in your pocket!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 July 2014 11: 41 New
          0
          Quote: nycsson
          We are observing the start of an exonerating screech!

          Niksson, what about the wall in the construction of which you sacredly believed?
          Quote: nycsson
          At first I was led to the Crimea, and then I scratched my turnip, something was wrong!

          And the truth is, how could you believe Putin-quickly threw this nonsense from your head and realized-The Return of Crimea is a betrayal laughing
          You know, I’m thinking who is smarter than you or Putin what And I suppose you're not smarter — am I right?
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 20 July 2014 19: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Niksson, what about the wall in the construction of which you sacredly believed?

            The construction of the wall has not yet been canceled ....
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The return of the Crimea is a betrayal

            This is not a betrayal - this is a short-sighted policy! If you climbed into the Crimea, then climb to the east of Ukraine!
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            You know, I’m thinking who is smarter than you, or Putin And I believe that you are not smarter, am I right?

            Of course he is right ....... Where am I going to him .....
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Over the past 23 years, Russia has risen really

            Give me at least one example .......
        2. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 20 July 2014 12: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: nycsson
          We are observing the start of an exonerating screech! fool And you only do the last 23 years that you are surrendering our national interests !!! am

          Over the past 23 years, Russia has really risen! (unlike heroic mongrels) And the screeching in the world is again "The Russians are coming!" And they squeal correctly (and you including "We know where the hornet's nest" is and you won't lure us like 100 years ago and now under the name "Ukraine's tse heroop .." We have more global plans .. (Ukrainians will get tired of jumping soon ..if you don't pay attention to them ..) And Russia is moving forward.!
        3. saag
          saag 20 July 2014 13: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: nycsson
          At first I was led to the Crimea,

          When this wave began after the Olympic Games, it was somehow unusual for me to listen to this "Russian" rhetoric, I felt something was wrong, I had never pedaled this topic on TV before, but then everyone immediately "woke up" and it was somehow implausible it seemed that capitalism could not engage in such a liberation movement, well, it had a completely different interest, it was the Soviet Union that was doing this and then it was in the order of things
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 20 July 2014 19: 32 New
            0
            Quote: saag
            capitalism cannot engage in such a liberation movement, well, it has a completely different interest,

            Totally agree with you! good
  • Dave36
    Dave36 20 July 2014 08: 51 New
    16
    I don’t get tired of repeating .. We have already been accused of everything and everything ... we will continue to backtrack ... they are crushed.
    When everyone was narcissistic, they sang about their native harbor ... didn’t think that the USA would not forgive ?? When Putin spoke to the whole world on March 4, it is not ambiguous about protecting the residents of the Southeast ... he had to think about what he was talking about ... and now ... after the announcement of the sanctions ... some snot ..
    He said that he was ready to fight ... fight ... otherwise he took two seas from ANOTHER state and essentially said ... I have nothing to do with it !!!! This is all of them ... Crimeans ....
    I would look at the brave Aksenov and others without our polite .... mda ..
    1. Banshee
      Banshee 20 July 2014 09: 11 New
      +9
      The fact that the Crimea will not forgive is unambiguous.
      We were all misled by the fact that THEY slowly swayed. But - rocked the same.
      And now, slowly and surely, they are dragging Russia into war.

      War states is a must. At least to prevent the imminent financial crisis. Yes, and the weakening of the suddenly outrageous Russia is no less significant aspect.

      Another question is whether we are ready for war with the whole world ... Well, or with all of this. I do not know.
      But I am sure that the strife will be like in Ukraine. Someone in the forest, some at the rally.

      Yablochniki in the cities already yelling that it is necessary to stop the help of the militia for the sake of restoring peace. And not in all cities they beat muzzles, by the way.

      Quote: Dave36
      I would look at the brave Aksenov and others without our polite .... mda ..


      Why watch? And so it is clear. It's one thing when 1-2 has thousands of its own, and another thing when there are more times in 15, and even some ...
  • Yarik
    Yarik 20 July 2014 08: 51 New
    10
    "In the port of Odessa, tanks are unloaded from the vessel. Whether the Romanians, or the Poles, there is unloading of ACS and personnel."


    Well, where is our intelligence and objective data? The decision of the sovereign regarding this? Power, understandably, otherwise everything will be delayed .. but will it be? Or a weekend?
    1. Vik.Tor
      Vik.Tor 20 July 2014 09: 28 New
      +5
      Our intelligence is afraid that in the ass, there is also objective data, although it is wildly not happy about this fact.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 20 July 2014 12: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Yarik
      "In the port of Odessa, tanks are unloaded from the vessel. Whether the Romanians, or the Poles, there is unloading of ACS and personnel."


      Like this...


      Turchinov asks for modern weapons for Ukraine
      18.07.2014 | Source: Pravda.Ru

      Verkhovna Rada speaker Alexander Turchinov commented on Facebook the situation with the crash of the Malaysian liner in the Donetsk region. At the same time, he turned to the world community with a request for the supply of modern weapons to Ukraine.

      “We appeal to the entire civilized world: the time has come not only to sympathize with the Ukrainians, but to help us in military-technical terms!”, RIA Novosti quotes the Ukrainian politician.
  • Vitaly11
    Vitaly11 20 July 2014 08: 53 New
    +4
    add to the bulletins.
    Today, at about 2:05 in the night, there was again shelling of the Luhansk region by Hurricanes.

    yesterday’s shelling video
    1. Vitaly11
      Vitaly11 20 July 2014 14: 18 New
      +1
      can someone clarify to me whether the hurricane / tornado is used in the MLRS phosphoric ammunition?
      and here’s what kind of squiggle at night turned out

      1. Vitaly11
        Vitaly11 20 July 2014 15: 13 New
        +1
        (14:05) again in the Luhansk region issued a package of MLRS Hurricane / (Tornado?) ...
  • DMB87
    DMB87 20 July 2014 08: 53 New
    +4
    Current Situation in Ukraine (Unconfirmed map) from Reddit

  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 20 July 2014 08: 53 New
    14
    I want to quote the words of Igor Ivanovich "
    I. I .: “They hoped in vain. The junta cleverly creates the impression of its“ weakness ”and“ readiness for negotiations, ”but in reality the military buildup is being conducted continuously ... And they are going to fight“ to the bitter end ”so that, having defeated the militia, an experienced and victorious army to win the Crimea. "
    Here is a clear confirmation of my owls, and you minus me two for these words, a month ago. I said and will say that Donbass needs help! Sanctions still cannot be avoided, We are afraid that NATO will fit so it already fit. The West is using the great ukrov as a battering ram, and so let him use it. Now tell me this could lead to a third world. No, it will not, because the West needs this "kipesh" for the time being until Thoran's head is cut off. And for this, even troops should not be brought in there. I watch this conflict from different sides, in order to draw conclusions, I read both and Thirdly, if you want to know what people think, go to the sites of Donbass cities, fortunately, do it in five minutes. For example, we type Lisichansk, go to the city's website and just read the forums, you want to participate so registration is a minute matter. the recognition of these republics yourself esteem. And people who still believe that Russia has not forgotten their help need at least moral, so act without leaving your apartment.
    1. Banshee
      Banshee 20 July 2014 09: 19 New
      13
      We help. If we bear in mind those who are here. As far as their strength and capabilities.
      In the general stream - a drop in the ocean, probably, however, TAM we are already known and respected.
      Otherwise, the calls to me would not come from there on the topic "help us too." And there are really more offers than "VO" can handle.

      We already manned one company with everything except weapons. On Monday, equip another one.

      So who can morally - that can. Who can materially - also does not sit on the sidelines.
      1. saag
        saag 20 July 2014 09: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: Banshee
        We have already equipped one company with everything except weapons.

        Yes, the diversification of supply components is brewing :-) Under the cover of darkness from military parks to spend military equipment :-) Last time they delivered an unmanned aerial vehicle from St. Petersburg, maybe it makes sense for suppliers to upgrade the device under RPG media or take switchblade as a basis and do something- then in this spirit with a radius of destruction of up to 10 km
      2. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 20 July 2014 09: 36 New
        10
        At the beginning of the week, I transferred it to Yandex-wallet, saved up for the fulfillment of my dream, but decided that my desire to help the guys is more important, and the dream will wait.
  • mira.36
    mira.36 20 July 2014 08: 59 New
    +6
    Dear Igor Ivanovich, is it really still incomprehensible that most of the infantile population of "Russian" Ukrainians, which you are heroically defending, are not worth the lives of even one of your comrade-in-arms. Here is an excerpt from the article and commentary of a soldier of the "ZARYA" battalion in Lugansk. "We protect the population of the LPR. We protect, first of all, women and children - civilians. But there is a part of the civilian population that annoys us, angers us, which we scold at every opportunity - healthy young men. They are cowards for us, We have a combat exit - our dark green "Ural" crosses the city, through the streets, courtyards, private sector. Under the sheds in front of shops, on the terraces of cafes, sit healthy men in shorts, colored T-shirts, slippers, relaxed poses - drinking beer. They wave at us, more often they just accompany us with glances. "
    “Shaw you are playing,? We must go to us. " “Instead of defending their families, they thump.” "If they came to us, we would have driven them away from the city with stones." Evil comments from the fighters. Lugansk is a city with half a million inhabitants. "If local men were actively coming to us, a regiment would be formed, several regiments of them. But they have a lot of reasons. They hide behind their families, wives, children, work. They are afraid to fight. They are afraid to defend themselves. how they, the Ukrainians in the occupied cities and towns of the LPR are forcibly mobilized into punitive territorial defense battalions. "
    This is not a part of the population, this is the silent majority, which is worse than ideological enemies, from whom at least you know what to expect. Do such people really deserve your support and sacrifice. Leave before it’s too late, there is no support inside and will not be from Russia, at least with heavy weapons, and volunteers with an army of the state, even such a ruin like Ukraine, you won’t get any weapons without these weapons. You fulfilled your task as a patriot of the Motherland with interest and showed who is who in this world and what it costs.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 20 July 2014 09: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: mira.36
      But there is a part of the civilian population that annoys us, angers us, which we scold at every opportunity - healthy young men


      If God forbid the militia is defeated in this battle, such as they are waiting for "Reed Paradise" or some "Coal Paradise" ...

      I recommend this movie for the hutscrieniks.
      Only in contrast to the main characters of the film, who entered this "Reed Paradise" voluntarily, here everything will be the other way around.
  • vvsz031249
    vvsz031249 20 July 2014 09: 08 New
    +5
    As it does not reach the Donbas that the Natsik can’t lose. You can’t sit back. It’s not just the repression of the plagued Nazgad that will begin, ethnic cleansing will begin. To the noise of victory, but to the shaft of denunciation, many those who are not participating and not standing nearby will die ... Militias should not lose. This is a struggle for life !!! You can not let the junta win !!! It’s scary to imagine what will happen to Ukraine, Novorossia ...
    1. KostA_RikA
      KostA_RikA 20 July 2014 12: 06 New
      +1
      I agree with you, but even if people go to fight, there will be less of them for the simple reason that they are fighting not only with almost all of Ukraine, but also with Polish and American mercenaries, and maybe with someone else we just don’t know


      may God help the true patriots of his fatherland
  • Vadim
    Vadim 20 July 2014 09: 13 New
    +7
    The main problem is weapons and uniforms, communications and medicine. Well, money, of course.
    We are obliged to provide weapons and money by our government (unofficially), and all the rest we are ordinary Russians. Less criticism, more real business.
    Most recently, against the backdrop of local victories, it seemed that the victory was not far off, the miners finally began to volunteer. But the material resource is running out, we need our help.
    Khokhlam help comes from all over the West, let's remember and prove in practice that the Russians are not abandoning their own.
    1. tanit
      tanit 20 July 2014 09: 21 New
      +1
      That's how ... Power ... The link to VO seems to work, they take a lot of things. Prove it in practice?
    2. Banshee
      Banshee 20 July 2014 09: 29 New
      +8
      Quote: Vadim
      let's remember and prove in practice that the Russians do not abandon theirs.


      Already a month, as we prove.
      1. Vik.Tor
        Vik.Tor 20 July 2014 12: 06 New
        +3
        But why do we only prove We are ordinary people, and our government, which has more resources, is on the sidelines and is waiting for the sanctions, which it fears, they will be so, or they will turn out in silence - we are great, but it won’t work out - at all God's will, so whether.
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 20 July 2014 10: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Vadim
      The main problem is weapons and uniforms, communications and medicine. Well, money, of course.

      And weapons COMPARATED BY CHARACTERISTICS, with the Nazis used ...

      Infantry (and tanks, which too very few) it is impossible to advance ahead when they are destroyed over many kilometers by artillery and MLRS ...
  • B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 20 July 2014 09: 16 New
    +7
    Quote: jonh
    but about the Geneva Convention I heard surprised?

    And when the National Guard, in Donetsk (the battle for the airport), shot a car with the wounded, despite the fact that it was under the flag with the Red Cross, in the hospital they wounded the wounded militias, where were your allegations of violation of the Geneva Convention ???
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 20 July 2014 09: 26 New
      +1
      If one side violates, the other should not slide to their level.
      Imagine, the Nazis killed and burned the Russian people, which means that our soldiers should also do in Germany. wassat
  • Chapovsky
    Chapovsky 20 July 2014 09: 20 New
    +1
    Yesterday at 12: 20
    Message from I. I. Strelkov about Boeing
    "According to the people who collected
    corpses, a significant part of the corpses -
    "stale" - people died up to several
    days ago. For full credibility
    I can’t vouch for this information - of course
    the conclusion is necessary
    forensic experts ".
    Yesterday at 13: 02
    Comment from I. I. Strelkova
    - Someone else should pilot such
    aircraft, including
    will be impossible. Version with airplane
    full of the dead, breathtaking,
    of course, but somehow it makes no sense.
    I.I .: "Firstly, not all people in
    The plane was dead before falling.
    Secondly, an airplane was discovered
    a large number of medicines
    blood serum and stuff that
    uncharacteristic for a conventional liner.
    There seems to have been a medical
    cargo.
    Thirdly, I do not insist on anything (for now).
    Just literally talking with two
    people who personally collected the corpses right away
    after the fall (both from Shakhtersk and
    arrived in less than half an hour
    after the disaster). From their words I write. They are
    stressed that many corpses
    turned out to be "completely bloodless" - as if
    blood coagulated long before the disaster.
    The strongest cadaver was also noted.
    smell noted by many local
    residents - such a smell in any weather for
    half an hour could not form, and the weather
    Yesterday it was cloudy, not too hot.
    Fourth, himself with extreme suspicion
    I belong to all kinds of "conspiracy theories",
    but 18 of our fighters poisoned by chemistry
    on positions in Semenovka, executions of members
    families of militias and other "small
    the joy of well-known patriots "convinced me
    that the Ukrainian authorities are capable of any
    meanness.
    The pilots, of course, were quite alive -
    the whole cabin (and the front part is preserved
    well) was literally covered in their blood. "

    nothing cleared up, who knows?
  • sv68
    sv68 20 July 2014 09: 22 New
    +9
    you need to be a progamist, the guarantor will not say his weighty word in defense of Novorosia, it means they were simply written off. And about the miners flee into the depths of Russia, if the fascists start bombing and ironing the Rostov region tomorrow and the West will remain silent, what percentage of the population of the center of the country will come to our aid? and we, in our mass, are just as inert and wait for an order from my uncle from above
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    2. pg4
      pg4 20 July 2014 11: 10 New
      +1
      the guarantor does not say his weighty word in defense of Novorosia, which means they were simply written off

      did not say so yet
      1. Skif83
        Skif83 20 July 2014 16: 34 New
        +1
        But in general, say?
  • RUSS
    RUSS 20 July 2014 09: 27 New
    +7
    Another month and Donbass is completely occupied by Ukrainians, the population either "slept" and "sleeps", or it runs - and this is not only about children, women and the elderly, many men are leaving, refugees have been resettled in my hometown, 30% are men. There is no REAL help from Russia, and there will not be, this is a fact, but it makes no sense to gorge on guerrilla warfare, for some reason I remembered Spain in the 30s of the last century, where Franco won and ruled the country until 1973 ...
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 20 July 2014 09: 28 New
    +7
    There is nothing special to add to Strelkov’s comments ... there are strategic losses ... surrendering communications towards Russia and between Lugansk and Donetsk ... this is very dangerous.
    Common truth ... defense does not win the war ... you do not attack ... then the enemy comes
  • renics
    renics 20 July 2014 09: 35 New
    +2
    A strange proposal by Roman Viktyuk to the Ukrainians of Donbass. The director asks to listen to ... God, not the TV .- (Turn it off! Close your eyes and stay in silence! - asks Roman Viktyuk. - In this silence, having joined the Sky, maybe something will happen in your soul? Should happen if you are Ukrainians!). It is unlikely that you will hear silence there, rather explosions from shelling by artillery by the National Guard of Ukraine, which in a moment can send to heaven in reality, and not in fantasies.
    1. Skif83
      Skif83 20 July 2014 16: 36 New
      0
      Well, Natsik not to Heaven, to the earth, s.ukam need to get used to.
  • MA TOF
    MA TOF 20 July 2014 09: 35 New
    +5
    When Crimea returned in relative silence, I, of course, was glad and proud, like most Russians.
    However, that very "silence" was very embarrassing ... And there was a thought - is it because the Americans are silent, in order to announce later that Crimea has been annexed and give Svidomo, who have painful pride, a reason for hatred for centuries?
    They will not calm down now on their own, they will have to reassure.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 20 July 2014 09: 37 New
    +5
    Here again we lose the information war. Moreover, even at home, not to mention the global scale. Strelkov’s reports, without exaggeration, are constantly read by tens of thousands of users. And millions of Internet users, viewers and radio listeners see them disassembled into quotes.

    But at the same time, the reports do not at all allow us to understand the current situation. Here we are told that "the Ukrainians entered White and Veselaya Tarasovka." What forces did they occupy N. p. From which direction. Unclear. But sometimes it is important to understand the developing situation. The tank vanguard went to Lutugino. Where did the vanguard come from? What is he the vanguard? After all, it is one thing when the enemy raided with a tank group with a small number of infantry or a special forces unit, and another thing if he occupied populated areas with significant forces and established checkpoints. It is one thing when a "tank vanguard" paves the way for the BTG, and another thing if it is part of a raid group. Direction is also important as it allows you to understand where the offensive is coming from. And then the last reports were that the militias were attacking Happiness, and the nearest settlement to these was. grouping in Metalist. And then suddenly they, it turns out, cut off all supply routes for Donetsk. Where did they come from? If you went through unprotected n. or seeped along the dirt roads, this is one thing, but if several checkpoints and militia garrisons were demolished along the way, then this is completely different. A good example with an armored group that broke through to the Lugansk airport. When we followed the breakthrough according to the reports, it seemed that everyone, Lugansk was cranky, it was cut off and was about to be taken. As a result, the remains of BG are locked at the airport. But on the other hand, how the tamed trolls, alarmists and all-slugs frolic. I agree that it is not always possible to immediately determine in a war which armored group is the vanguard. But you can say about it tomorrow. Or inform tomorrow that the dill left N. etc., just went through it "about their business".
    1. jonh
      jonh 20 July 2014 10: 27 New
      +1
      but what is there to understand? ordinary actions in this kind of operations. dissection of the main forces and the planned destruction of groupings one after another
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 20 July 2014 10: 47 New
        +1
        Dissection is if the territory is controlled. and if you just passed - then it's called a "raid".
      2. tilix
        tilix 20 July 2014 12: 52 New
        +1
        Thanks for the adequate explanation. Now the correlation of forces is more clear. Great advantage.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 20 July 2014 09: 37 New
    +6
    They will tell me. People are at war and they have no time. And I will even agree with you. That Strelkov has no time to write tweets. But Strelkov is not alone there. The press services of the DPR, LPR, a bunch of Novrossia websites are constantly flashing. I understand that, for the most part, they all sit on sofas a thousand kilometers from the battlefield and spin up their resources to make money on the Internet. But there are also real press services somewhere. You, after all, understand us too, the reports of the Sovinformburo were for everyone's rear during the Second World War, whole districts gathered to loudspeakers, whole villages sat during messages at "radio plates". But Russia for Novorossiya is the rear. From here they get everything they need, from money, weapons and ammunition to volunteers. So for us, Strelkov's reports are something like the reports of the Sovinformburo, since they are the most objective and most credible. Now information is even more important, because the war is going on not only at the front, but also in the media space. Moreover, this media war cost the Libyans and Syrians very dearly in its time. Why give our enemies a chance to blow up Russia from the inside on a wave of maliciously interpreted messages and the lies between them about the "drain of Novorossiya"? Would it be easier for Strelkov to fight in Donetsk, if in Moscow the riot police will fight off the singing nationalists and white tape men? Something tells me that it will be much worse. But the driving force of all these processes is the mass media. Therefore, a good authoritative portal that will have data from primary sources and give a complete picture of hostilities with infographics and crata of hostilities will give much more for an information war than videos and photos of wrecked cars of punishers and killed civilians. I tried several times to start doing combat reviews. But, thank God, I didn't post it on the Web, because there is too little information and it is often contradictory. And tomorrow's messages refute yesterday's. There is no complete picture, and without this it is simply impossible to make a normal review. And the people watching the fighting from the rear, they cannot understand what is happening. At least drop everything and go to Novorossiya. There is little sense from me with my 12 rounds from AK and six from PM, lined at two training camps and a railway VUS in battle. But at least in informational terms to help people. But again I understand that without reaching out to people who own information, this is also futile. You can't make it everywhere yourself ...
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 20 July 2014 11: 19 New
      +3
      Correspondent A. Barkov's message on the situation in Severodonetsk - Lysychansk, July 18, 2014

      Severodonetsk and Lysychansk are blocked ...
      On July 18, 2014 at 10:30 am the junta troops cut the road connecting Severodonetsk and Luhansk in the Slavyanoserbsk region. The road is called "Bakhmutka" in common people.


      Here's a "joke" appeared today at https://vk.com/strelkov_info.

      To begin with, earlier on the same site yesterday

      19.07.2014/21/18 XNUMX:XNUMX p.m. (Moscow time) A brief summary from I.I. Strelkov.

      "As of the evening:

      The Brain Squad successfully repulsed the attack, destroying the 1 tank. Communications of the city remain free.


      For the 18th, too, no mention that communications are cut.

      Now look at the map. Not a single road to Severodonetsk passes through Slavyanoserbsk. No, in principle, primers can be taxied. But to the west lies the Belaya Gora-Gorsoe-Novoshkotovskoye road. This road is covered by militia positions at Popasnaya. So it’s completely not clear how Slavyanoserbsk can cut the only supply route for the Lisichansk group.

      What I was talking about. There is very little information and it is presented completely unprofessionally. Where to get normal information ... I don’t know.
  • Navy7981
    Navy7981 20 July 2014 09: 43 New
    +4
    Lord help them!
  • COBA
    COBA 20 July 2014 09: 55 New
    +2
    The position of the militia is very difficult, the locals do not want to fight. Russia will not send troops, strike groups are not formed. In my opinion, it is necessary to act in the political arena and begin by recognizing the independence of the DPR and LPR from Ukraine, but this still had to be done after the referenda. NATO ships equipment in Odessa and after the Donbass, there will be Crimea. It would be possible to unilaterally introduce a no-fly over the Donbass, but SUBSTANCE with a damn Boeing spoils everything.
    The move is ours, but it's hard to predict. One thing is clear, time is playing against us now.
    1. KostA_RikA
      KostA_RikA 20 July 2014 11: 59 New
      +1
      There is not only time against us, but also a good part of Europe with the USA. We really didn’t do much (the same recognition of the DNI and LC, the introduction of peacekeepers is possible), but the main thing is that we can still do it. The United States in our place would long ago have, under the pretext of shelling its territory, troops.
  • Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 20 July 2014 10: 12 New
    +1
    Strelkov's position is clear, but the position of the Russian Federation is not quite. If we seriously hope that the militia with a rifle will grow, and the ukrofashists will tremble, come to their senses and, having recovered their sight, will run to tell the whole world what bastards they are and who supervises them, then this is childish babble. Of course, it would not be very bad, but fairy tales are believed at a certain age. Moscow will have to intervene directly for Novorossia, as well as Little Russia, and this is an indisputable fact, although it is not yet time (at one time we missed the moment), but now we see how equipment is being unloaded in Odessa for our murderers, Russian killers. And let no one have doubts about the Indonesian plane, they will accuse us of the same "politician psaki" in action. So, as always, there is only one way out, the West has been destroying Russia for centuries and it is high time to recognize officially, since we are such "truth-cutters" our interests and goals, even if only so that the people know in advance every action of the government, and the number of media would decrease all kinds of "experts and analysts" - twice two or four.
  • shishakova
    shishakova 20 July 2014 10: 20 New
    +3
    Dear Igor Ivanovich, I read everything and one thought - Lord, help I.I. and his fighters, because they are fighting for peace for the people ...
    The authorities in Kiev seem to have gone crazy since people consider them terrorists and drop bombs on him.
    And if they’re not crazy, then they’re even worse and should be in another place.
    1. STOP VOINE 2014
      STOP VOINE 2014 20 July 2014 11: 22 New
      0
      Dear IGOR IVANOVICH, I have a very serious question for YOU, where are your political leaders ...?
      You, now the Kiev junta, with the support of OUR COMMON ENEMY, is trying at the international level to declare the LPR and DPR "terrorist organizations" ...
      YOU NEED IN ALL SOCIALLY VALUABLE PLACES TO GLEEN OUT LEAFLETS, WRITE INSCRIPTIONS, DRAW CARICATURES ....
      ENEMY AT THE GATE!
      FASCIST WILL NOT PASS!
      CITIZENS A CAMP ARE BUILT - DO WE HAVE ONLY TO GIVE UP?
      BECAUSE THE BANDERS FORCE OUR WOMEN ..
      ENEMIES BURNED A HOME, A VILLAGE, A CITY .... THE SAD SLIVIAN CENTURY WAITING FOR THE WHOLE SOUTH EAST OF THE COUNTRY IS THE DOCTRINE OF OUR COMMON ENEMY AND THE BLIND LAMBARS, BARANS ...
      ENEMIES PUNISH EVERYONE WHO VOTED AT THE REFERENDUM, AND YOU VOTED EVERYTHING ...
      WHAT DO I SAY TO YOU ABOUT ALL FASHION WALKES ..... JUNE JUNE ... YOU KNOW ALL THEIR CRIMES WITHOUT ME!
      THIS INFORMATION SHOULD BE ON EACH POST, WALL, HOUSE, ROAD, FENCES, etc. AND TP ..
      WHERE A PERSON DOESN'T LOOK, THE REAL TRUTH SHOULD BE EVERYWHERE!
      AND WHEN EVEN THE MOST "BLIND MILITARY" OF THE UKRAINIAN ARMY WILL SEE AN OPINION ABOUT HIM ON THE TERRITORY HIS TAKENED BY HIM, FROM THE SEEN FROM HIM SHOULD TURN THE VIBRATION, ALL HIS BLIND CONSCIOUSNESS WILL TURN over ...!
      DISPLAY PICTURES OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN WITH THEIR BIOGRAPHY WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THEM ... AND WHOSE THESE MOUNTAINS HEROES WON ...
      Let every CONSCIOUS MILITARY UKRAINIAN FEEL WHOSE ORDER HE IS PERFORMING ..!
      ALL THE LAST WARS ARE BASED ON BROADCASTING TO THE SOCIETY AS TRUE SO AND FALSE SCALE INFORMATION ....
      SO DO NOT HESITATE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TO YOUR PEOPLE, "TO YOUR ENEMY" AND TO THE TRUE ENEMIES OF THE RUSSIAN WORLD !!!!
      IF YOU'RE SORRY TO PAINT - ASK ...
      BUT INFORMATION, A TRUE WORD SHOULD BE ANYWHERE, FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE HOW
      THE TRUTH IS THE BETTER OF SUCCESS, VICTORY!
      INCLUDE THE SENSE OF PATRIOTISM IN YOUR COMPATRIOTS AND CONVINCE YOUR "ENEMY" NOT TO FULFILL AN ORDER FROM ABROAD!
      1. Cossack Ermak
        Cossack Ermak 20 July 2014 13: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: STOP VOINE 2014
        THE TRUTH IS THE BETTER OF SUCCESS, VICTORY!
        INCLUDE THE SENSE OF PATRIOTISM IN YOUR COMPATRIOTS AND CONVINCE YOUR "ENEMY" NOT TO FULFILL AN ORDER FROM ABROAD!

        Respected. Writing all the time with CAPS is the same thing, yelling all the time. If you want to communicate with you, please observe the rules of communication.
  • azbukin77
    azbukin77 20 July 2014 10: 20 New
    +2
    There is nothing to add. I think in Russia they perfectly understand what will happen if they do not help New Russia!
  • Last paladin
    Last paladin 20 July 2014 10: 24 New
    +1
    White and Merry Tarasovka - Ukrainians take Lugansk into the ring ... And what about the road through Torez and Krasny Luch, who knows?
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 20 July 2014 10: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Last Paladin
      White and Merry Tarasovka - Ukrainians take Lugansk into the ring ... And what about the road through Torez and Krasny Luch, who knows?

      The road from the Red Beam to Donetsk is controlled by the militia. There are a number of roadblocks on the highway, the asphalt is pretty gouged with heavy equipment, due to lack of which it is forced to drive it from city to city ...
      1. Last paladin
        Last paladin 20 July 2014 17: 02 New
        +1
        thanks for the information!
  • dEADj
    dEADj 20 July 2014 10: 38 New
    +4
    Lugansk and Donetsk will be ironed with hail, killing civilians, along the way, slowly taking them into the ring. I think for another two months we will observe the defense and destruction of these cities. Along the way, hatred of dill among the local population and entry into the militia will grow. This is part of the plan - to wake people up from the utopian "great Okrainskaya dream" (I understood this since the days of Slavyansk). Here it will be necessary to see what will be the response of our real enemies of the United States, what exactly they are behind everything that is happening in the world now is not a secret for anyone. The Haaz event was also their work. After the militia leaves for a partisan - sabotage war, dill will begin to prepare for a "holy campaign to Crimea", it all depends on how sad the economy of the outskirts will be, perhaps by that time they will not have time for Crimea. Residents of the southeast, I would advise to shove their emotions away, tear off the backside from the sofa and finally choose a side, either to the militia or to the dill. Trust me - you "got under the distribution", no one will be able to serve. We will not be able to serve in Russia either, but personally I am not afraid of this, I will only be glad to mobilize. Although there may be no mobilization, but there will be economic problems with the accompanying repression, so we in Russia now need to think what we are talking about.
  • Prutkov
    Prutkov 20 July 2014 10: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Moment
    Yesterday it was reported that Poroshenko wants to recognize the LPR and DPR as terrorist groups.


    Yes, not only wants ...

    Poroshenko called on the world to recognize the DNI and LC as terrorist organizations
    Ukraine is preparing international lawsuits to recognize the LPR and the DPR as terrorist organizations. The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko said this at a meeting with Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans, the press service of the head of state.

    "I am sure that the trial of the terrorists must take place without fail," Poroshenko said.

    The head of state assured that, on his instructions, the government is doing everything possible to ensure that the investigation of the circumstances of the terrorist act is conducted under the international auspices of ICAO.

    Poroshenko said that he had invited representatives of the Netherlands, along with representatives of other countries whose citizens also died, to participate in the commission.

    In turn, the Dutch Foreign Minister said: "As soon as we get the evidence, we will not stop until the perpetrators are brought to justice." Timmermans also added that it is "not only about those who pulled the trigger, but also about those who made this possible." “I believe that the international community should unite for this,” the minister said.

    It should be noted that the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs expressed bewilderment at the fact that even before the start of the proceedings, official representatives of a number of states hastened to unprovenly state their versions of the causes of the crash, thereby putting pressure on the course of the investigation.

    We add that the head of the Congress of Local and Regional Authorities of the Council of Europe Herwig Van Staa expressed the opinion that it is too early to blame anyone for the tragedy with the Malaysian Boeing. According to the President of Congress, the main thing is that the true cause of the deaths of so many people should be established and the perpetrators brought to justice .... (Controversy)
    XXXX
    Well said the head of the Foreign Ministry of the Netherlands ... I wonder if he will be as decisive when it turns out that all this is the work of Poroshenko and Co.!

    Therefore, now civilians of Donbass who suffered from the bombing of the Ukrainian Air Force should file lawsuits in European courts. But for this they need to assist in the preparation and submission of documents. The ECHR should be littered with lawsuits. And this must be done as soon as possible.
  • Drunya
    Drunya 20 July 2014 10: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: maxxdesign
    and if it is proved that the plane was shot down by order of the United States, then all the SUK.I. shut up their rotten mouths and remain silent!

    but then we’ll talk enough, but the sense of our conversations is ZERO.
  • DONCHANKA
    DONCHANKA 20 July 2014 10: 48 New
    +3
    Nowhere else to retreat. Listen to the DNR anthem.
  • combat66
    combat66 20 July 2014 10: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: jonh
    don't ask me stupid questions. the law as before April 9 in Moldova did not apply and after April 9 did not apply. my desire to act. when everyone will apply and honor the law, then then the mess in the world will become less


    Yap, calm down! What law did the Ukrainians observe when they shoveled the maidan ?!
  • yalokin
    yalokin 20 July 2014 10: 55 New
    -1
    And how do you like this development? Kiev is killing Novorossia, pulling troops to the Crimea, then the Western countries, under the threat of introducing complete economic isolation of Russia, are demanding that Putin return Crimea to its rightful owner, Kiev will send troops to Crimea. Will Putin risk a war?
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 20 July 2014 11: 28 New
      +4
      So in order to bring troops into the Crimea, we must first knock out our troops from there. And this is a war. Do you want do not want.
      1. saag
        saag 20 July 2014 13: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: alicante11
        So in order to bring troops into the Crimea, we must first knock out our troops from there.

        Can you imagine such a development of the situation? Ukrainians are pulling up troops to the conditional border (there is no state one as such) and then the West demands the Russian troops to be withdrawn in unison, and as practice shows in this case, the troops are withdrawing
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 20 July 2014 13: 53 New
          +2
          can you imagine such a development of the situation - the Ukrainians are pulling up troops to a conditional border (there is no state one as such) and then the west demands the Russian troops to be withdrawn in unison, and as practice shows in this case, the troops are withdrawing


          Where have you seen this practice? Even EBN shouted "stop" about Chechnya, put his drunken bolt on everyone. In Pristina, the landing party also sent everyone from the airfield. Then, of course, they quietly left. But here it will not work out quietly.
          1. saag
            saag 20 July 2014 16: 51 New
            0
            Quote: alicante11
            This is where you saw this practice?

            In the Rostov region
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 21 July 2014 03: 15 New
              0
              And what’s there, Ukrainian troops entered the territory of Russia? I hear it for the first time.
    2. KostA_RikA
      KostA_RikA 20 July 2014 11: 50 New
      +1
      Yes, it will take a chance. I think many will take a chance. Crimea is now Russia, but the Russians don’t give their own.
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 July 2014 16: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: yalokin
      Kiev introduces troops to the Crimea.

      To enter, you must cross engineering barriers or land
      We can handle the Ukrop Army. I don’t know NATO
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  • yalokin
    yalokin 20 July 2014 11: 01 New
    0
    If the population does not rise to fight, then all the actions of the militias become meaningless. Do not send our marines to fight for anything.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 20 July 2014 11: 29 New
      +2
      Immediately see where the troll is broadcasting from. Marines - they are heroes in the Amer. Have more airborne. Sleeping, troll.
    2. KostA_RikA
      KostA_RikA 20 July 2014 11: 53 New
      +2
      Here you are undoubtedly right, but it’s quite possible to help the militia with weapons and equipment, and let the fart blow their fumes to the west