Czech public opinion: Boeing 777 shot down by Ukrainian army

Ukroamerikanskaya propaganda machine began to seriously slip. This is especially clearly seen in connection with the tragedy of the Malaysian Boeing-777. Despite the fact that Kiev, before the start of the official investigation, accused Russia (through the alleged support of the militia by the Russian authorities) of involvement in the attack on the airliner, in European countries, few believe in this nonsense.

Czech Newsletter http://www.parlamentnilisty.cz/ conducted a sociological survey in which she decided to find out from her readers their opinion about who exactly shot down a Boeing-777 over the Donbas. The result was as follows (on 9: 00 (MSK) 19 July 2014 of the year):

3% of readers believe that the Russian army did it;
13% think that militias are involved in the attack (on the website - “separatists”);
2% believe it was an accident;
82% sure that the Ukrainian army shot down the plane.

At this point in time, about 8730 unique users took part in the survey - a significant audience coverage by the standards of sociology.

This Czech edition can not be called pro-Russian. His journalists and readers are really trying to establish the real cause of the tragedy, but unfortunately for Kiev and Washington propagandists, most of them have an exaggerated version of the involvement of Russia or the militia in the tragedy and do not perceive the truth.

Comments

[skylare]

If still the voice of the people always coincided with the voices of politicians, it would be generally fine.

[WKS]

Such a survey needs to be conducted across Europe. In Russia, 99% are confident that the plane was shot down by Bandera. But it is better to wait for the results of the investigation.

[herruvim]

Quote: wks

Such a survey needs to be conducted across Europe. In Russia, 99% are confident that the plane was shot down by Bandera. But it is better to wait for the results of the investigation.

Belarus is also sure that the plane was soaked by Bandera.

[avg]

At least one good news in the morning. The mentality of dill creeps out more and more - the main thing is to crap up a neighbor, and there you can do it yourself. Even geyropecy begin to understand this.

[huginn]

Regarding this plane, it seems to me that this is Kalomoisky superseded Parashenko!

[Hippopotamus]

Updated statistics:

14% - the Russian army did this;
11% - “separatists” were involved in the attack;
2% - it was an accident;
73% - the plane was shot down by the Ukrainian army.

In total, 23010 votes were taken into account - 2.6 times more than in the previous count.

Stubborn Czechs stubbornly do not want to zombie!

[Dmitry Toderes]

Quote: Hippo

Updated statistics:

14% - the Russian army did this;
11% - “separatists” were involved in the attack;
2% - it was an accident;
73% - the plane was shot down by the Ukrainian army.

In total, 23010 votes were taken into account - 2.6 times more than in the previous count.

Stubborn Czechs stubbornly do not want to zombie!

Well done Czechs!

[Erg]

You think original. Easily adnaka

[Erg]

I, personally, do not doubt the villainy of the adversaries. But even if the forelock are caught ... So what? Given that Europe is "sharpened" against us, I doubt that the situation will turn in our direction. Life experience, you know ...

[novobranets]

Quote: herruvim

Belarus is also sure that the plane was soaked by Bandera.

And in protest, the junta is delivering new army trucks.

[Heavy]

this business is nothing personal

[fan dango]

Business captured the minds of all governments of the remains of the USSR (and Russia in particular), and ordinary people are just extras and puppets in their games. It's only a shame that patriotism, national dignity, and love for the homeland are used by "effective managers" as a means of increasing ratings.

[takto.onotak]

Let's be more precise, the governments of not listed countries prayed for the golden calf much earlier than the USSR, for this they took up arms against him because he gave a "bad" example to poor people ...

[huginn]

And Ukrainians, as a token of gratitude, banned Belarusian dairy products and confectionery?

[Styx]

fly uuuutki and 44 MAZ;)

[Daemon__999]

Another 99% from Kazakhstan

[nfoma80]

In Belarus, we had no doubt, but America and its allies did not give a damn about our opinion and the rest of adequate humanity.

[KazaK Bo]

But it is better to wait for the results of the investigation.

Most likely, the result of the conclusions of the international commission will somewhere consist of the following phrases:
- Boeing shot down a Ukrainian plane ... the pilot due to excessive stress due to the death of fellow soldiers ...
- he confused the Malaysian plane with the Russian ..
- the pilot died in a plane shot down right there by militia fire
- according to this, Kiev and its puppeteers could not immediately figure out (the pilot died!) and tell the world about the tragic mistake ...
- this is an accident ... and we offer our deepest condolences ..and apologies ...
I can’t vouch for the accuracy ... but everything will come to that ... it smells my heart ... After all, the holes on the BOEING sheathing indicate that type 27 or type 73 air racks were used ... They heard the start of Buk or S-300 missiles and they would have seen thousands ... On the record in CH, they will find traces of the Boeing being irradiated with the frequency of the radar inherent in the on-board radar of GUIDING DRIES ... etc ...
AND IT IS EXCELLENT UNDERSTANDING IN THE WORLD ,,, EUROPE ,,, BUT THE SCENARIO OF THE GENRE DOES NOT ALLOW THE IMMEDIATE ACCEPTANCE OF YOUR GUILT !!!

[avg]

Most likely, the result of the conclusions of the international commission will be:
- Not fast. We need to let the leading media accustom public opinion to Russia's guilt.
- The commission will make only one conclusion that the plane was shot down by a rocket.
Psaki, and after her in the EU, will say that everyone knew for a long time that Russia was to blame and the commission confirmed this.

An example is the conflict with Georgia. The OSCE Commission was forced to recognize Georgia as an aggressor, but where, in what Western media can you read it. For them, the aggressor is still Russia.
If I make a mistake, I will only be glad, and I admit that finally, elementary justice is beginning to crowd out political expediency.

[theadenter]

All then will not care already for the result of the investigation. The truth will triumph, but it will be too late ...

Now people on emotions absorb information. Russia and the Donbass will already be blackened, and the following anti-Russian stuffing will consolidate the result. Even if the commission determines that the militias and Russia are not guilty, people are better off not treating us and the militias, they might not even be interested in this news.

[anfil]

All then will not care already for the result of the investigation. The truth will triumph, but it will be too late ...

That's right, everyone will not care when the nuclear power plant explodes next, everyone will forget about Boeing.

In fact, remember what shocked us most in the Ukrainian events: the burning of people in Odessa, the massacre in Mariupol, the first captivity of Russian journalists, the murder of Russian journalists, the first shelling of civilian quarters by the Ukrainian army, the first open use of systems volley fire and assault aircraft, etc., up to the collapsed "Boeing". Now the news of the casualties among the civilian population of the DPR may be saddening us, but they are not shocking for a long time - they are used to it. Therefore, provocations in full compliance with the logic are gaining momentum.

[gunya]

I repeat: Russian media working for Western Europe need to become more active using a variety of photos and video materials shot by both our and neutral correspondents.
Actively cooperate with the Western media in this matter.

[persei]

unlikely ... most likely the investigation will not come to any conclusions and will declare that the majority of opinions are to blame for the "separatists" ... and the United States needs it. Or maybe the United States will put pressure on the European Commission and it will come to a conclusion, again disappointing, that the militias and Russia that supports them are to blame. Alas ...

[ver_]

..... and Putin is silent .... trump cards will go at the end of the game ....

[bubalik]

ver_ RU  Today, 14: 42 ..... and Putin is silent .... trump cards will go at the end of the game

,,, when playing chess ,,,

[gray]

Quote: ver_

..... and Putin is silent .... trump cards will go at the end of the game ....

For which the minus is not clear. Maybe it’s actually looking closely who is the friend who is the enemy, and who is the friend that the enemies are not necessary. I put a plus.

[prio124]

Or they can blame it on a technical malfunction in the plane resulting in an explosion, although how should they blame Russia to bring in NATO troops

[nfoma80]

five points, fully support

[T-73]

And most likely:
- The Boeing was shot down by the wreckage of an An-26 or Sushka militia shot down

[izGOI]

Ingenious! UkroSMI must definitely take this note! The wreckage from the An-26 shot down at an altitude of up to 3000m caught the Boeing at an altitude of 10000m. -How many detonations detonated in the An-26?

[FACKtoREAL]

Quote: KazaK Bo

On the record in ChN they will find traces of the fact that the Boeing was irradiated with the frequency of the radar inherent in the airborne radar of GUIDING DRIES ...

and on passenger Boeings are EMR spectrum analyzers?

[cosmos132]

I completely agree. Eyewitnesses saw three aircraft, there were three explosions (a rupture of a 2-kilogram part of the 27th PF, a shell explosion and a fall. Next, the militias shot down the SU.

[izGOI]

Information from the Ukrainian side flashed that many new recruits were conducting drug training on the Bukov batteries in the Donbass. Thus, the ground is being prepared to declare: "They shot down, but by accident, like the TU-154 in 2001." And we ourselves will punish the new recruit, an inexperienced drunk.

[atalef]

Quote: wks

Such a survey needs to be conducted across Europe. In Russia, 99% are confident that the plane was shot down by Bandera. But it is better to wait for the results of the investigation.

Vo, approve the results of the survey as the conclusions of the commission.
What is the point of these polls?
According to surveys of the Papuans of New Guinea - only they consider themselves 100% real people - the rest is not human, And?

[shuhartred]

Quote: atalef

What is the point of these polls?

For some reason they are carried out. I personally think this is a tragic accident. I just can’t imagine the people who cynically write off 300 people who have nothing to do with it. And I don’t see any sense in this action.

[Bayonet]

Quote: shuhartred

I just can’t imagine people cynically writing off 300 people as expenses,

And those who burned and killed people in Odessa - can you?

[shuhartred]

Quote: Bayonet

And those who burned and killed people in Odessa - can you?

I can’t either. But in Odessa a little different. There they killed the stupid, zombie Natsiks, who were told that those whom they kill were not people at all. Colorado, quilted jackets, terrorists but not people. Customers understand the shit. I do not understand for the performers. What bullshit they drove this time?

[huginn]

Another "onizhedeti"!

[shuhartred]

Quote: huginn

Another "onizhedeti"!

No, far from children. Do you have other versions of why people become capable of this? I have only one, they don’t see people in their victims. The same thing happened with the Nazis in 41-45. They were told that the Russians are not people. In another way, I can’t explain their atrocities, given that the war began for them very comfortably. The same with dill.

[izGOI]

Anything you like, for example, that it’s Putin’s board (in vain did something in the press procrastinate). Yes, for this purpose, m .. duck, zombie ukroSMI, will release in general all the rockets that are on the Ruin.

[demon1978]

Come on!!! But Kalamoisky with his hired bastards and other Parashenki with the Nazis hired by the State Department and collected from a psycho and other hospitals in the course of YOUR (and not only) moral principles ??? !!!! I'm generally not sure !!! And at the expense of meaning, don’t worry, there is enough of it there and they know it very well. Although, as they say, we will wait for the conclusion of the pathologist

[Alex Nick]

You still forgot to add Jews, the rest are goyim.

[Stanislas]

Quote: atalef

What is the point of these polls?

You will learn how the inhabitants of another country relate to yours. But certainly not to prove guilt.

[FACKtoREAL]

Quote: atalef

According to surveys of the Papuans of New Guinea - only they consider themselves 100% real people - everything else is not human

... the rest is meat!

[izGOI]

I did not begin to minus you, but understand. A lot of time will pass before the conclusions of the commission, and they will be published in small print on the last page. And public opinion is formed in 2-3 days. Hence, such haste and emotions in the speeches of Western leaders. In a week, this catastrophe will not be interesting to the Western reader, other sensations will do.

[kush62]

Such a survey needs to be conducted across Europe. In Russia, 99% are confident that the plane was shot down by Bandera.


The remaining 1% is sure of this, but will oppose Russia ..

[fan dango]

Today I accidentally stumbled upon the radio ECHO of Muscovy, and so there some presenter with foam (splashed the whole car)) at the mouth and spoke angrily about stupid philistines who did not understand that the plane was shot down by the Russian military at the behest of "cattle and terrorists who they are fighting for the DPR and LPR "sent together with beeches to help them. And this is all over the country on the radio (((??? !!!

[R150]

Washington’s echo can only be heard to familiarize yourself with the enemy, for those who broadcast and give interviews

[gunya]

Unfortunately, the costs of excessive liberalization have not yet brought any benefits. When our authorities attend to this problem, it may be too late.

[Dialogue]

We need to understand, this is Latynina. Read is such a circus. I really like it when she analyzes, I like to laugh!

[Alex_T]

On the Russian-language resource of the Israeli television publication iton.tv, a vote is also taking place. More than 80% of voters said that the plane shot down Kiev:
http://iton.tv/golosovanie/10-kto-po-vashemu-mneniyu-sbil-malazijskij-boing

[The point]

and another 68 voted in favor of the tricks of aliens. Damn, trolls are everywhere. How can one flaunt cynicism, speaking of so many dead, let them rest in peace (dead), and their murderers, whoever they are, burn in eternal flame.

[from punk]

Quote: skylare

If still the voice of the people always coincided with the voices of politicians, it would be generally fine.

unfortunately there are not enough Czechs. and in general it is necessary to establish the truth as soon as the liner crashes. because the traces are erased.

[Salamander]

Czechs are beginning to understand what's what. Slovakia is pulling towards them. And Serbia is already conducting exercises with us.

[rodevaan]

Quote: Salamander

Czechs are beginning to understand what's what. Slovakia is pulling towards them. And Serbia is already conducting exercises with us.

- By the way, of all this Eastern European "brothers", only Slovaks remained the most pro-Russian and did not participate in the worldwide anti-Russian and anti-Russian bacchanalia.

[huginn]

Rather, not the most pro-Russian, but the least anti-Russian!

[rodevaan]

Quote: huginn

Rather, not the most pro-Russian, but the least anti-Russian!

- Yes, it will be more accurate.

[mak210]

Slovaks remained the most pro-Russian and did not participate in the global anti-Russian and anti-Russian bacchanalia

What do you mean stayed? During WWII, the Slovaks actively participated on the German side: they fought with the partisans near Minsk, held the front near Mius, then there were Kerch and Crimea. Let's not forget the good little brothers.

[rodevaan]

Quote: mak210

Slovaks remained the most pro-Russian and did not participate in the global anti-Russian and anti-Russian bacchanalia

What do you mean stayed? During WWII, the Slovaks actively participated on the German side: they fought with the partisans near Minsk, held the front near Mius, then there were Kerch and Crimea. Let's not forget the good little brothers.

- Yes, about the Great Patriotic War - I agree. Were among them. True, there were a minority of these renegades, the bulk of the Slovak fascist population did not support and went into partisans.

[SRC P-15]

Why all this complacency? Nothing depends on the conclusions of the public, even if there is at least all 100% of the electorate for the fact that the Ukrainian army shot down the plane. We need to wait for the conclusions of the international commission.

[Arhj]

Quote: skylare

If still the voice of the people always coincided with the voices of politicians, it would be generally fine.

The voice of the people there has long been an anachronism. I looked through the foreign press yesterday. Everyone has already decided, the perpetrators have been appointed, and there are no official Ukrainian authorities among the perpetrators. No one even tried to answer the question of why we or the militia.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I’m short .. Thank you Czechs for your support! It’s hard for us in Russia now .. they are poisoning us and trying to draw the fratricidal into the war ..

[rodevaan]

Quote: MIKHAN

I’m short .. Thank you Czechs for your support! It’s hard for us in Russia now .. they are poisoning us and trying to draw the fratricidal into the war ..

- Not sts, - we are Russians! So, more than once we’ll spoil the enemy Anglo-Saxoid blood, and more than once we will become a bone in the throat. We don’t get used to it)) And as for the support, the Czechs showed it in the 90s when they threw it into NATO by the whole East European crowd. This is certainly not logs, but also good. The army and navy - in full operational, combat-ready and modernized condition - this is our one and only support. And the guarantee of a clear blue sky above our heads, without spores and viruses of the Western-transatlantic over-democracy.
And allies ... You know, Cubans and Vietnamese are much more attractive to me than our "dear" neighbors ...

[huginn]

Where did you see the "brothers"?

[Dialogue]

Have you seen the Czech site?

[WKS]

[quote = Arhj] [quote = skylare] Everyone has already decided, the perpetrators have been appointed, and there are no official Ukrainian authorities among the perpetrators. No one even tried to answer the question of why we or the militia. [/ Quote]
In mass propaganda it is important not to answer questions or ask them, the main thing is to give out as self-evident. What we have here.
1. The plane is shot down.
2. His pro-Russian separatists shot down.
3. Used RZK delivered by Russia.
4. The crews of the complexes are disguised Russians.
No evidence or analysis. The consumer of information should swallow it and consider it true. When in a few months the commission will publish the true reasons for the crash, the average layman will no longer have it. He will not remember about it. And experts now know that all the blame for the incident lies with the state of Ukraine.

[huginn]

Wow! Who now remembers that one of the reasons for the bombing of Serbia was fakes about Serbian concentration camps?

[Alexander Romanov]

Propaganda does not work.
Damn, weird, we lose the information warrior

[Black_andy]

weird? when the whole world, at the behest of the obama, broadcasts that it’s us - compare with Iraq

[rodevaan]

Quote: Black_Andy

weird? when the whole world, at the behest of the obama, broadcasts that it’s us - compare with Iraq

“You think so in vain!” The official position of anal governments in Geyrostan is not the position of the common population. Ordinary infantry in Geyropa is just the opposite - opposes the US P and makes fun of its corrupt media

[fan dango]

Information war"? Do not forget about the Bilderbeg Club, and about Putin's words about Chubais (a delegate in the club from Russia): "This is the person we need" (when asked at a press conference: Why Chubais is not being tried?) I fully admit a global "theatrical" performance from the world behind the scenes ... He rules and produces a lot of money, and Obama, Putin and others are only the main roles.

[huginn]

Apparently the Georgian war of 2008 taught!

[Max_Bauder]

Thank God and the Internet. Not everyone in Europe is still zombie.

[huginn]

Was recently in Germany, so they are mostly sympathetic to Russia and do not like the United States! True, only at the household level.

[jovanni]

Yes Yes! I do not care for them, the rulers of these "voice of the people"! They know their business very tightly - they waved the next sanctions that the monkey ordered them, and hello!

[Dimas Tugarin]

By default, politics is the voice of the people. The whole question is whether worthy people chose ali there.

[Heavy]

yes, but what is the reason why a negative wave of skeptics of the European Union as an American puppet is rolling across Europe? If Oland, and now Merkel pushes him to refuse to sell Mistral, he will come back to it, Russia will have to pay, his image as a supplier is tarnished, one more deflection to the states, a thousand unemployed, and where will his rating go so unenviable? Yes, when he accepted Putin and did not disagree with the United States regarding the Mistrals, his rating even increased a little, because he is considered a political rag

[rodevaan]

- He already has a rating lower than the level of the city's Parisian sewage ... Only in the next election will he or he like him win again, because the rank and file in the Storage England, what we have, does not play a role in the world.

[Antropos]

On the site, on the contrary, 83 percent believe that militias shot down. The meaning of the article? Or did the CIA read and correct the survey data?

[Antropos]

How fast things are changing ...

[Dialogue]

And I'm talking about the same thing. Tokmo, it seems that no one reads the site. Although from yesterday 45% for ukramiyu. By the way, here they delete for such comments

[ddmm09]

Now 99826 people have voted on the Czech website and the result of the survey is completely different - 80% believe that the Boeing was shot down by pro-Russian separatists. News advertising in the Western media works! Brainwashing is in full swing!

[Johnny51]

The voice of the people ... But on the Maidan, too, the people ... And in Urmmi, too, he ... You know, I suddenly thought that treating the subjects as their children is only a true monarch. Fuck-and-and-and-and-and-and-so, and then to me then this democracy ?!

[kozkna]

The idea is already being pushed that if a plane is shot down with weapons made in the USSR (Russia), then Russia is to blame :-)

[Giant thought]

It seems that this was so: the Ukrainian military shot down a Boeing.

[3vs]

The Czechs, as you can see, are for the most part adequate people.

[Polevik]

Quote: 3vs

The Czechs, as you can see, are for the most part adequate people.

Fact. In addition, Ukrainians have a low opinion.

[Vik.Tor]

And who about them after all the high opinion that has happened, only the Ukrainians themselves.

[huginn]

Not a fact, they are strongly anti-Russian, but what is not high about Ukrainians, yes!

[djtyysq]

Quote: skylare

If still the voice of the people always coincided with the voices of politicians, it would be generally fine.

What is a survey of some Czech Republic for America? Americans probably do not know where the Czech Republic is and what it is eaten with!

[DPZ]

Americans probably do not know where the Czech Republic is and what it is eaten with!
if so, then the Czechs are just lucky, otherwise the Americans would open their mouth to them to swallow

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: DPZ

Americans probably do not know where the Czech Republic is and what it is eaten with!

In the course, one clowness there, the Governor of Alaska, proposed bombing Prague to a hair dryer. Thinking that the Czech Republic and Chechnya are one and the same.

[ya.seliwerstov2013]

Yes, there was something like that. A country of morons, damn it. I wonder how they can still live with such brains.

[Dry_T-50]

This is an "exceptional nation"! They assure you of friendship and brotherhood, but they themselves want to stick a knife in the back. Of course, after all, a new order is at stake. Worldwide. Suki ...

[Vik.Tor]

No, they do not swallow, they have no oil

[Black_andy]

yes - "if you have oil or gas, there can be no democracy by definition"

[papik09]

Quote: djtyysq

Americans probably do not know where the Czech Republic is and what it is eaten with!

They probably think that the Czech Republic is somewhere in Central Africa.

[Lukich]

Quote: djtyysq

Americans probably do not know where the Czech Republic is and what it is eaten with!

Yes, they do not know where Ukraine is located

[boozer]

Class, euphoria from the accusations of Russia passes! Yes, everyone knows for sure that ukrofashi shot down a Boeing. A few more days and look at the acidic mug of parashenka and obama! But do not apologize ...

[MSA]

For any plane Ukraine shot down, with the support of the mattresses naturally, they urgently needed to foil the attack + divert attention from the regular army’s landing in Odessa by Polka and, most importantly, get the go-ahead for NATO troops. And of course, it’s sacred, once again blaming Russia for this ...

[Lukich]

Quote: MSA

to divert attention from the landing in Odessa Polka regular army,

how did the regular army get there? because Poland has no access to the Black Sea

[Tanechka-clever]

"This Czech edition can hardly be called pro-Russian. .."

To admit that this was done either by the militias, or by Russia - can only be UNREASONABLE or interested as the United States.
Today, in the presence of the OSCE, the Kiev junta is firing - residential buildings, schools, orphanages, killing children, the elderly - BUT according to Poroshenko, the Ukrainian army does not shoot at civilians.
One cannot trust the sick - American fascism is contagious.

[Barakuda]

Quote: Giant thought

It seems that this was so: the Ukrainian military shot down a Boeing.

It could even be. Dumbness in air defense is terrible. Of the 3 complexes, one is collected. And that was 15 years ago. Now it's a nightmare. What is a waveguide or a stable local oscillator, units know.

[figter]

According to the media, they say about 27 SDUs deployed near the Donetsk anti-aircraft missile regiment. They themselves could not come up with such a thing, according to all this is said at the suggestion of ukrovoyak. I don’t understand how they control 27 vehicles in a regiment, if a regiment of three divisional composition can take 18 vehicles, four divisional - 24. Where did this stupid figure come from and how they control fire, I don’t understand. One thing is clear - a complete mess. As far as I understand, they are still armed with the Buk air defense system, not the Buk-M1, this is our Russian modification, and they also have the USSR version, which at first was part of the Cub-M4 air defense system. There are no components for it anymore, repair only by donor method. And from the "Buk-M1" it differs slightly, up to the differences in the direction of the thread on the bolts in the chassis. They had two ZR schools in Ukraine - Kiev VZRIU and Poltava VZAU. But none of them trained specialists for ZK Buk. Two schools in Russia were preparing for him - the Orenburg and Smolensk VZRKU. Hence the quality of specialists. Although the Kiev school in the USSR was the best in its field, the level was the highest. But it prepared mainly for the Krug air defense system.

[persei]

Quote: figter

How they have control in a regiment of 27 cars I don’t understand

. Collected from all of Ukropia ... and the one that launched the rocket was hidden or dismantled ... forged urgently documents on the number of missiles ...

[huginn]

And probably shot down by mistake!

[DOMINO100]

and the opinion of Czechs in Europe and in the world does not interest anyone! Like the opinion of Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians and any Baltic states! even in the United States, the opinion of Americans does not cost anything! everything is decided on the top! at least 99% of the population speaks against the opinion of the STATE! So what, will the Czechs give their opinion in Prague to Maidan? have a strict line - lie exactly in a missionary position in front of the usa.

[rotmistr60]

Well, the opinion of Poles and Balts in relation to Russia is always taken into account both in the USA and in the UN Security Council and in the OSCE. These Young Europeans with great zeal pour dirt on Russia.

[Finches]

People, this is a toy in the hands of politicians! Moreover, in the West, people atrophied for political analysis, they gave a salary, insurance and the opportunity, even with a bare ass to the parade, then freedom and society are moving in the right direction! So to dazzle any kind of power public opinion is not a problem! It’s just that apparently the Czechs have not yet been fully explained that the United States is good, and Russia is still the Evil Empire!
I do not believe them! Once they choose leaders such as Tusk, Merkel, Hollande and American bedding like them, then you can’t talk about some kind of objective opinion of Western society! Again amuse ourselves with such articles.
Everyone wrote the same thing that the EU countries are against sanctions, that they are getting out of the influence of the United States and the like, and yesterday the UN Security Council meeting was sheer Russophobia, undisguised and aggressive! So let's face it, ordinary people love us there or don’t like us, that’s not the point! Only an independent and decisive policy in defending its national interests is able to regain real respect from the world community!

But the Boeing, and most likely Ukrainians shot it down, if in peacetime they famously shot down civilian planes and destroyed their homes, then what should be expected from them in a combat situation? Scorching from fear in everything that moves and flies! Warriors fuck ... ovs!

[persei]

Quote: Finches

EU countries are against sanctions that they get out of the influence of the United States and the like, and yesterday’s meeting of the UN Security Council is sheer Russophobia, undisguised and aggressive!

Well, it was not for nothing that the NSA and the CIA tapped the phones and started a dossier on all the politicians in Europe ... they said against it, but the command "fas" came in right away ... and remembering past sins, they immediately saluted ... "yes" !! ! Look how zealously Merkel opposed sanctions against Russia, and she was pressed (blackmailed) ... and she back heels ... not only that, and she immediately announced that the "separatists" were to blame (about Boeing).

[pvv113]

in European countries, few believe in this nonsense

The whole policy of the junta is sheer nonsense

[HAM]

In connection with the death of Boeing, I personally have one question for the Americans: In the case of refugees from Ukraine to Russia, with the death of people in Donbass, shelling of Russian territory by the Ukrainian army, the State Department NEVER: .. "no data, we will clarify this information .." -, and here the WRECKAGE of the plane has not yet reached the ground, and the guilty ones HAVE ALREADY FOUND !!

[ia-ai00]

I really want the commission of inquiry to not turn out to be "pocket" the United States.
Only then will the CUSTOMERS be called, and the PERFORMERS of this atrocious crime.

[Sergey-72]

Today in the Czech Republic, tomorrow, let's say in Slovakia, and so on, a chain reaction from the "serum of truth" will begin in European cities and villages. The eyes of Europeans will open to everything that happens in the square. As grandfather Lenin used to say: "A spark will kindle a flame" or the words of a song "a river begins from a small stream."

[madzalai]

http://warfiles.ru/show-64286-putin-tochno-znaet-kto-sbil-malaziyskiy-boing-i-on
-rasskazal-ob-etom-obame.html

[alexandr-budarin1]

KYIVOSOSY and AMERIKOSY miscalculated! Boeing did not reach the Russian border !!! SORROW ... (As avakov would write on Facebook). Now the psaka will work out the version about "Pro-Russian aliens". The order for them (aliens) will be posted on the website of the State Department and the Gauleiter of Ukraine, signed by BB.

[Mountain shooter]

The Ukrainians are already in the teeth of the Czechs. In Prague, they rob tourists. Well, and "priestesses of love", where without them. I love Ukraine, I lived there, and “I’m mindless,” but something suggests that that Ukraine no longer exists. And those European countries that are not hearsay familiar with modern dill will believe in its "ability" to commit any stupidity. The only pity is that there are still few such countries.

[Lukich]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And those European countries that are not by hearsay familiar with modern dill will believe in its "ability" to commit any stupidity

rather meanness

[persei]

sorry I can not put +100.

[Ararat]

Even if Boeing was shot down by dill, the USA, the executioner and his allies will stand on their own opinion - the militia * Russia shot down to start an invasion of Ukraine and start a war, here the 3rd world will go.

[A1L9E4K9S]

Quote: Sergey-72

... The eyes of Europeans will open to everything that happens in the square. As grandfather Lenin used to say: "A spark will kindle a flame" or the words of a song "a river begins from a small stream."

Tradition is fresh, but it is hard to believe, and when Europe will not be Russia’s friend, it has been proved for centuries, they always seek benefits for themselves and periodically try to destroy the Russian people.

[MilesAth]

Which countries immediately accused Russia or militias of the Boeing777 disaster? Ukraine, Australia (colony of Great Britain) and Great Britain. Stars and stripes have the voices of individual politicians like McCain. What is the conclusion? The valiant Ukrainians were involved in the disaster, and the Anglo-Saxons are behind them.
The latter, I hope, have more than once regretted that they contacted these "brave guys"

[sv68]

"public opinion" and the opinion of the State Department are completely different things. Therefore, the truth will simply be stolen and the militia with Russia will be declared guilty. In this case, the position of the "culprit" will need to be worked out, urgently send tanks, self-propelled guns and instructors to the militia, let the US know- that our word does not differ from our deed

[SeAl2014]

Ukrainian science fiction writers will definitely include psak. America to help them.
The Boeing 777 is a bloody sacrifice to achieve a strategic goal. They will stop at nothing. Ways to achieve the goal will be more sophisticated.
Their goal is the destruction of Russia and world domination.
It would seem - "hackneyed terms", however, events say that this is reality.

[sever.56]

Western politicians and governments have never considered the opinions of citizens of their countries. Especially diverging from the general line of the Washington regional committee.

[miv110]

You need to take a sober look at things. In Europe itself there was no unity and no. For the layman, the European Union is a bluff, an economic trap for these countries. About some kind of friendship between them is out of the question. What unites them is only fear of Russia. Which is what politicians use.

[Nyrobsky]

The mere fact that the provocation was carried out clumsily and does not fit in with logic at all proves that the USA was preparing it. These canines recently act like an elephant in a china shop, believing that around them live the same as they.

[talnax7]

I don’t see the crowds of relatives of those killed on the plane and tantrums. Very interesting. For comparison, when the relatives of the Seoul didn’t make out when the ferry crashed in Korea (pure emotions) Nobody touch our embassies Waiting for a signal? Or did Akela miss?

[Black_andy]

.. here, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye -see the development of events

[kelevra]

In my opinion, they themselves no longer deny that they shot him down! They aimed at Putin’s plane, but he missed the fact that he flew an hour earlier!

[Tigrus]

Buy Czech beer and drink Chekhov! Well done for this poll!

[Armored optimist]

I recommend to read
http://novorossia-onlain.info/ochen-strannyj-samolyot/

[BOB044]

Ukraine is afraid of an independent international investigation. Americans, too, are not in a hurry with facts, they will wait until things turn out. And chatting that they have facts will trend.

[papont64]

The truth will always find the way, the power is in the truth !!! And thanks to the Czechs for solidarity and understanding !!!)))

[Armored optimist]

How would anyone in the DPR suggest that the boxes would be delivered only after a copy of the records was removed on the DPR territory. Preferably by an international commission with the participation of IAC

[Lukich]

Quote: armored optimist

so that the boxes would be crushed only after taking copies of the records on the territory of the DPR.

so that later they accused of fraud? Yes, it is generally advisable not to touch them. yes and no there is such equipment for making copies

[K-50]

IMHO. Usually, for other air crashes, there is an N-number of US citizens, because they crawl like cockroaches around the world, and this time not a single PIN.dos. One truth is, but one with dual citizenship. There is a suspicion that they for early knowing what will happen did not allow their citizens on this flight.

[maxxdesign]

Strelkov’s reports say that many corpses were dead a few days before the crash! eyewitnesses of the fall of the plane say that there were paratroopers! draw conclusions ... as there is a setup, and very clumsy ...
the plane is loaded with the corpses of the nazgadas killed in battles, in the hope that it will be difficult to identify them, they drive it into the airspace of the DPR, accompanied by military uroplanes, the pilots leave the plane (paratroopers from here), the Natsik planes are shot down, an uncontrollable plane, and for several minutes already begin to yell that it was Russia that shot down the plane, and even half the world does not even know at that moment about the incident ...
raving - you say it is ... but judging by the statements of dill, in Odessa people burned themselves, in Slavic people blast themselves by landmines sprinkling phosphorus in front of them ... according to these statements, such a theory becomes plausible ... only people with a brain of imbeciles and with increased cynicism, controlled by psaks, can do this.

[Lukich]

Quote: maxxdesign

Strelkov’s reports say that many corpses were dead a few days before the crash!

he did not say that. he himself later said that it was a fake on his behalf

[jetfors_84]

D / eb / lov is always difficult to understand. They are a division of beech chasing after the militia dryers? They are in my opinion and theirs are sausage there. It’s difficult for the corrector to figure out where his own and where other people's planes fly As on earth everything is demolished in a row, the sky will be cleaned

[Armored optimist]

Quote: Lukich

Quote: armored optimist

so that the boxes would be crushed only after taking copies of the records on the territory of the DPR.

so that later they accused of fraud? Yes, it is generally advisable not to touch them. yes and no there is such equipment for making copies

Do not touch yourself. But be present when copying.

[Lukich]

Quote: armored optimist

But be present when copying.

Do you think they will be copied on the spot? they will be immediately taken to ICAO. only there they will be opened and examination will begin

[Stanislas]

Quote: Lukich

they will be immediately taken to ICAO

If they let them do it. But what prevents militias from setting up on-site copying as a condition for transferring CHN? I think that the equipment for this and ours can give a lift. The militias have every right to do so, since there is already an attempt to hang all the dogs on them.

[alex47russ]

The truth is you will not shut your mouth! It is politicians who think that they are smarter than everyone! But in fact, the people, there is truth and power!

[kozkna]

However, Russia was accused of Georgia, and then after a while they quietly reported that the Georgians had attacked.
And now I read everywhere about the attack of Russia on small Georgia.
So the truth and the media are different things from each other are independent.

[Homo sapiens]

I think that a sharp confrontation and increased pressure on Russia will happen much faster than there will be real answers about what happened in the sky of Donetsk. Right. The guilty ones have already been appointed, and there is probably no point in making excuses. The more convincing facts emerge, the more we will get. Each such fact and proof of provocation against us, with the help of informational influence, will be perceived by the "world community" as another proof of the insidiousness and hypocrisy of the KGB-FSB, personally VVP and all "Rashka". Everything with this Boeing is too muddy. The organizers thought of everything, and knew in advance both our reaction and our arguments. And they knew that nobody would be interested in it. We are a priori to blame, we are an "evil empire" for them. In general, the world wars began with smaller conflicts. I really don't want to think about it, but after visiting the ukrosites and communicating on them, I got the feeling that the unleashing of a real war itself, and at what great, is the end in itself of all these events. From Maidan to Boeing ... [quote = WKS] [quote = Arhj]



[quote = skylare] Everyone has already decided, the perpetrators have been appointed, and there are no official Ukrainian authorities among the perpetrators. No one even tried to answer the question of why we or the militia. [/ Quote]
In mass propaganda it is important not to answer questions or ask them, the main thing is to give out as self-evident. What we have here.
1. The plane is shot down.
2. His pro-Russian separatists shot down.
3. Used RZK delivered by Russia.
4. The crews of the complexes are disguised Russians.
No evidence or analysis. The consumer of information should swallow it and consider it true. When in a few months the commission will publish the true reasons for the crash, the average layman will no longer have it. He will not remember about it. And experts now know that all the blame for the incident lies with the state of Ukraine. [/ Quote]

[Barakuda]

"As of 7:00 on July 19, the bodies of 186 dead people were found. A square of prospecting works with an area of ​​25 sq. Km (settlement Moskovka, Rasypnoe, Grabovo, Stryukovo, Grabovskoye reservoir) was found. About 18 sq. Km of territory were investigated, a diving group explored 2,1 sq. Km of reservoir ",

[KBPC50]

And what the hell should we, Russia, shoot down a Malaysian airliner in which nice kind tourists, AIDS-fighting doctors, children, businessmen and not a single American spy are sitting? Arrange an incomprehensible provocation? Russia does not need THIS! This is needed by the CIA and the SBU. Poroshenko and Yaytsenyuk. Russia does not need this. Everyone understands this. The rest pretend to be Psaki and broadcast to the whole world an absolute shamelessly insolent lie! Under Kuchma, Ukraine shot down a TU154 stuffed with Israeli citizens, so what? Kuchma said: (not literally) "Everyone is wrong and we were wrong." It's okay. And now Poroshenko will say the same thing, why be surprised here ?! - "Wrong, thought BOARD # 1, well, wrong! Just ..."! Well, as for the spotter, this is generally from the fairy tales about Baba Yaga in a mortar! How can a spotter affect the guidance station? He, what will tell the rocket where to tuck and how to reduce the speed? If only they didn’t talk about it.

[Lelek]

I am almost sure that most EU politicians know that the liner was shot down by the Kiev army, but since the "senior boss" said that - by the militias, then so be it. It's like in a herd of geese - everyone says: "ha-ha-ha", and try to grunt - they will peck.

[siberalt]

And why not invite comrades from the OSCE and experts arriving at the scene of an incident in the Donbass to stay in the best hotels in Lugansk and Donetsk?

[Bayonet]

What's the point? Kiev, on the other hand, says that "separatist terrorists" are shooting at the cities, but you can't see it from the window.

[Russ69]

And our Western "partners" are already stipulating the following sanctions. I’m wondering how much more GDP will play in the policy of non-interference and tolerate being bend over us. The longer we are silent, the more they will bend ...

MOSCOW, Jul 19 - RIA Novosti. US President Barack Obama during a telephone conversation with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and British Prime Minister David Cameron discussed the possibility of imposing new sanctions against the Russian Federation if she fails to take steps to de-escalate the situation in Ukraine, Reuters reported on Saturday with reference to The White house.
“By agreeing to continue efforts to find a diplomatic solution to the current crisis, they reaffirmed their determination to remain in close contact. They are considering what additional action might be required, ”the White House statement on the conversation between Obama and Merkel said.
“They emphasized that Russia, of course, is responsible for denying that the separatists in eastern Ukraine continue to gain access to heavy weapons and other support from the Russian Federation,” their conversation was also reported.
In another conversation, Obama and Cameron “reiterated the need to take further action if the Russian Federation continues to fail to take action (to de-escalate the Ukrainian conflict),” the White House said.

[Armored optimist]

Quote: Lukich

Quote: armored optimist

But be present when copying.

Do you think they will be copied on the spot? they will be immediately taken to ICAO. only there they will be opened and examination will begin

So about the same speech!
They will take them away, then they will draw curves, dictate speech. Fig prove. Do not give until agreed to make copies. Yes, under control, because the equipment for copying can be prepared such that in real time, instead of copying, it will flood something else into the boxes themselves, or erase it.
And click everything with a million photos, especially where the control system.
There is a suspicion that this is not 9M-MRD, which was supposed to fly MH-17, but 9M-MRO, which performed MH370 on March 8th. I think it was stolen by mattresses on Diego Garcia, equipped with remote control with satellite channel, voice repeater, telemetry. Paxes lay down in the refrigerator, and therefore they look strange.
This telemetry system and remote control must be found.

[Lukich]

Quote: armored optimist

They will take them away, then they will draw curves, dictate speech.

may they not open them without an international commission. and the commission will necessarily have a representative of Russia.

Quote: armored optimist

Do not give until agreed to make copies.

Yes, no such equipment at the militias. simply no.

Quote: armored optimist

Paxes lay down in the refrigerator, and therefore look strange

Well, where's that from? and where then the kamikaze pilots?

[mackonya]

Well, I’ll try to explain to myself as if I’m six years old, maybe this logical chain will help others.
Where did the Malaysian flight Amsterdam Kuala Lumpur get down?
- In the sky over Ukraine, an obligation which was to provide a safe air corridor.
Excluding the technical problems of the liner and the terrorist’s actions from within the liner, what external factors could lead to the destruction of the liner in the air?
- Missile defense or air force.
Presumably who could launch a rocket?
- The Russian Armed Forces were at a sufficiently large distance, and if we assume that it was an attack of the Russian Armed Forces, then all the evidence would be on satellite images, and we all know how many satellites from different countries conduct careful monitoring of this region.
Armed forces of Ukraine could attack a civilian ship?
- This is more likely, given that there were air defense systems in this area, the Ukrainian Air Force also regularly performs sorties in this region, and if we recall the precedent of 2001, then everything seems obvious.
Could a militia force bring down a civilian ship?
- I do not see the motive and funds from the militia.

[persei]

and the West does not need motives ... "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat."

[Sergg]

photo of a fragment of the casing with holes from the damaging elements. What can I say:
1. This is not hit by aircraft gun shells
2. This is not an internal explosion.
3. This is not like falling into pre-prepared fragments typical of a large ground-to-air missile.
Most of the damage is similar to those left by the so-called rod warhead, which is used in relatively small-sized missiles - light air defense systems and air-to-air missiles.

[Andrey77]

3. This is not like falling into pre-prepared fragments typical of a large ground-to-air missile.

It just looks like the striking elements of the warhead of a large ground-to-air missile. But it doesn’t look like air-to-air at all (not the damage site shown in the photo).

[Bayonet]

Quote: Sergg

Most of the damage is similar to what the so-called rod warhead leaves

Maybe so. Or maybe these injuries were received during the fall and collision of fragments of the aircraft?

[ed65b]

people are good at arranging "classified materials". Let's wait for the investigation to show everything, otherwise our story begins to look like a Korean Boeing.))

[Andrey77]

Boxes need to be decrypted. I agree. Ukrainians for a month refused to bring down the side of Tel Aviv-Novosibirsk. Then they recognized when the boxes were lifted from the bottom.

[1536]

It is important for the Americans now that in their camp someone should be dosed "against". Czechs are best suited for this. The West has built a front of lies against us, passing it off as the truth, and we are forced to make excuses in the hope that "ordinary people" will understand us. They understood us long ago, understood our weakness. So what do we have.
"The Ministry of Defense has 10 questions for the Kiev authorities!" (As of 19.07.14/XNUMX/XNUMX) It's cool that at least there are questions. In fact, I always thought that the Defense Department always answers "questions", not asks them. They ask questions in another department. Do they seriously think that they will talk to them? Answer them to the "posed" questions? By the way, they have already been answered from Kiev at a meeting of the local cabinet of ministers: "The terrorists have crossed the red line, now they will not be saved." - it was said in English for the "civilized world", I suppose.
The information war is already going on in our territory. And its front is already under Moscow, if you operate with the provisions of the last war. Maybe it’s not clear to the Czechs, of course, but the Swedes know for sure.

[Andrey77]

I am inclined to the version of NOT INTENTIONAL start-up from Kiev. I refer to the Vesti FM radio channel. According to them, a regrouping of the punitive air defense was carried out. After arriving at the base, the calculation began "tuning" the system from scratch ... We will not talk about the qualifications of the Ukrainian "specialists" who had not conducted exercises since the collapse of the USSR ... The only exercises that were - and those ended in tragedy. SAM S-200 of Ukraine shot down the board Israel-Russia.

[Sanamana]

We will not talk about the qualifications of Ukrainian "specialists" who have not conducted exercises since the collapse of the USSR ...
They had "exercises" in Georgia. Don't you remember?

[Atanda]

Yeah! Mykola fired about the button, but it’s like a mug!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Atanda

Yeah! Mykola pyv about the button opened

Or "with gas" - "without gas"?

[Andchevh]

What an unintentional launch, before starting the launch, it is necessary to perform a bunch of operations, get the control center from the control gear, find and capture the target (civilian board, you can’t make a mistake in half the screen), determine the affiliation, prepare the missiles for launch, the minimum line of two missiles, get a command from the air defense commander and after all this start up! Of course during combat work this all happens quickly, but every air defense officer knows the international flight route. This is all a planned action of the CIA !!

[yehat]

Yes, it is very similar to an external provocation.
Moreover, I suspect that neither the Ukrainians, nor the militias, nor even the Russian Federation, shot down the plane
some mishandled Cossack or drone arrived, hit the target, and you understand.

[xana usa]

yes ukroshtat able to shoot down peaceful aircraft, unfortunately, on that their skill almost ends

[Armored optimist]

Quote: Lukich

Quote: armored optimist

They will take them away, then they will draw curves, dictate speech.

may they not open them without an international commission. and the commission will necessarily have a representative of Russia.

Quote: armored optimist

Do not give until agreed to make copies.

Yes, no such equipment at the militias. simply no.

Quote: armored optimist

Paxes lay down in the refrigerator, and therefore look strange

Well, where's that from? and where then the kamikaze pilots?

Лукич, я ополченцам верю. А подделывать будут те, у кого рыло в пуху.
Обезьянка сейчас сидит и дрожит, опять не вышло! Столько готовились!
Вообще мне команда Путина нравится. Только глядя на их дела я понял, что значит: Использовать силу противника против него же.
Че не придумают матрасники, эта команда против них же и повернет.
В Европе тысячи РЛС одновременно работающих в эфире. Все все видели и знают. Правда прорвется.
Что касается пилотов, я уже говорил. Не было живых пилотов. Были два свежака и пилот по имени Remoute control.
Два одинаковых летака, серийно производящиеся два десятка лет, но до этого никогда не падавшие, вдруг с интервалом 100дней (8 марта и 17июля) в одной компании. Они думают мы теорию вероятностей не знаем?

[Armored optimist]

Quote: Andrey77

I am inclined to the version of NOT INTENTIONAL start-up from Kiev. I refer to the Vesti FM radio channel. According to them, a regrouping of the punitive air defense was carried out. After arriving at the base, the calculation began "tuning" the system from scratch ... We will not talk about the qualifications of the Ukrainian "specialists" who had not conducted exercises since the collapse of the USSR ... The only exercises that were - and those ended in tragedy. SAM S-200 of Ukraine shot down the board Israel-Russia.

В войсках ПВО есть термин - "несанкционированный пуск". Расчет якобы не хотел, а ЗУР сама стартанула. такое бывает. Из-за неисправности, халатности на цепи пуска попадает напряжение, срабатывает двигатель. Бывает
Это всегда заканчивается полетом ракеты "за забор" вокруг дивизиона. Не дальше. Поскольку, чтобы ракета полетела в цель, ее нужно обнаружить, захватить на сопровождение, подготовить ракету к пуску, пустить, и продолжать подсвечивать цель. Я уже писал на форуме - случайно попасть в цель невозможно. И Ту-154 был сбит сознательно. Поищите мой пост не буду повторять.

[el.krokodil]

Quote: KazaK Bo

But it is better to wait for the results of the investigation.

Most likely, the result of the conclusions of the international commission will somewhere consist of the following phrases:
- Boeing shot down a Ukrainian plane ... the pilot due to excessive stress due to the death of fellow soldiers ...
- he confused the Malaysian plane with the Russian ..
- the pilot died in a plane shot down right there by militia fire
- according to this, Kiev and its puppeteers could not immediately figure out (the pilot died!) and tell the world about the tragic mistake ...
- this is an accident ... and we offer our deepest condolences ..and apologies ...
I can’t vouch for the accuracy ... but everything will come to that ... it smells my heart ... After all, the holes on the BOEING sheathing indicate that type 27 or type 73 air racks were used ... They heard the start of Buk or S-300 missiles and they would have seen thousands ... On the record in CH, they will find traces of the Boeing being irradiated with the frequency of the radar inherent in the on-board radar of GUIDING DRIES ... etc ...
AND IT IS EXCELLENT UNDERSTANDING IN THE WORLD ,,, EUROPE ,,, BUT THE SCENARIO OF THE GENRE DOES NOT ALLOW THE IMMEDIATE ACCEPTANCE OF YOUR GUILT !!!

хорошая версия..только лётчика того уж наверное-кирдык..

[Oml]

3% of readers believe that the Russian army did it;
13% think that militias are involved in the attack (on the website - “separatists”);
2% believe it was an accident;
82% sure that the Ukrainian army shot down the plane.

Почему в рейтинге не было армии сша? То что они сбили набралось бы немало голосов.

[GHOST29RUS]

3% of readers believe that the Russian army did it;
13% think that militias are involved in the attack (on the website - “separatists”);
2% believe it was an accident;
82% sure that the Ukrainian army shot down the plane.

Всё-таки умных людей там больше

[Cossack Ermak]

Прочитал статью чешскую. В основном выложены все версии всех сторон без выводов. Объективно.

А по опросу. Уже прголосовало Голосов: 11131 человек
Separatists
14%
The Russian Army
4%
The Ukrainian army
81%
Нет, это был несчастный случай
1%

[arthur_hammer]

не у всех видать в ЕС мозги перемешаны с говном)))

[Ararat]

Сбили Боинг укропы это мы знаем,но как это сказать всему миру ведь амерокосы,англичане,Меркель кончина будут стоять на своём виноваты ополченцы и Россия и точка,вот в чем вопрос!!!!!

[wanderer]

киевской хунте и ее покровителям чихать на общественное мнение, вспомните югославию,... Сейчас сша пошли в ва-банк, все силы и бабосы бросят на то что бы утопить украину в крови, изолировать россию и таможенный союз.
После визита Путина в юж. америку янки находятся на нервном срыве и сейчас они непредсказуемы, и им угробить что 300 чел, что 3 000 чел, разницы нет.
Не завидую нашим дипломатом, сейчас у них такая запарка. Удачи Вам.
----------С НАМИ БОГ!!!----------

[Andchevh]

На недолго стану Нострадамусом, по результатм "независимого" расследования виновными будут ополченцы и Россия!!Вся эта операция разработана в ЦРУ . давно все обкатано ,начиная с Перл Харбора и подрыва небоскребов в Америке, расстрела "небесной сотни"
Меня удивляет одно,где снимки с наших спутников , где радиоперехваты командира дивизина ЗРК с КП полка ( ЦУ по наведению однозначно двали),почему на границе с Украиной нет наших АВАКСОВ

[pvv113]

82% sure that the Ukrainian army shot down the plane.

Похоже, что они правы - бандерлоги препятствуют работе комиссии (а может заметают следы?)
http://warfiles.ru/show-64319-kiev-meshaet-rassledovaniyu-krusheniya-boinga-rayo
n-obstrelivaetsya-ukrainskimi-silovikami.html

К селу Грабово в Донецкой республике могут попасть не все эксперты, которые прибыли туда для расследования причин катастрофы Boeing 777. Сообщается, что район крушения пассажирского лайнера Malaysia Airlines обстреливается украинскими силовиками, которые обещали на время прекратить огонь и дать возможность специалистам разобраться в обстоятельствах трагедии.

[persei]

Все было СПЛАНИРОВАНО США, в том числе и то, что сбили Боинг. Исполнители естественно Украина...мнение объединенной Европы никто не спрашивал и не будет спрашивать...америкосам все равно кто погибнет и сколько.

[Alex Nick]

Обычно виноватый больше всех суетится и кричит держите вора.

[tomcat117]

Вор всегда громче всех кричит, держите вора.
Вот такая правда парашка

[fan dango]

Хочу добавить, что даже "самые независимые" журналисты в передаче оппозиционного дождя( http://tvrain.ru/articles/ukraina_nevooruzhennym_vzgljadom_zhurnalisty_vernuvshi
esja_s_donbassa_razvenchivajut_mify_chast_1-372412/)признали, что в ДНР и ЛНР поставляется из России самое простое стрелковое оружие, и зачастую неисправное(жалобы ополченцев),подходящее под списание,а никак уж ни "Буки" или что-то сложное(хотя непонятно почему). Поэтому укропам никогда вменяемые люди не поверят.

[gammipapa]

Мужики сколько уже обсудили про этот боинг но из всего на мой взгляд самое разумное объяснение -http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1403047/

Хотя конечно многим покажется слишком заумно на первый взгляд ,но это только на первый .

[pinwheelimagesmum]

Preved-Medved

Мне кажется, вы не правы

[dimerzhi]

На сайте рейтинг поменяли, там теперь больше 83% считают что ополченцы ((

[evgenm55]

Quote: shuhartred

Quote: Bayonet

And those who burned and killed people in Odessa - can you?

I can’t either. But in Odessa a little different. There they killed the stupid, zombie Natsiks, who were told that those whom they kill were not people at all. Colorado, quilted jackets, terrorists but not people. Customers understand the shit. I do not understand for the performers. What bullshit they drove this time?

Что-то вы в своих рассуждения заблудились.Кто -то доказал что ракету в Боинг (с земли или с самолёта - без разницы) пустил не оболваненный,невменяемый?Или наоборот- вменяемый и прекрасно понимающий ,что делает? То же и с Одессой.

[Lithobius]

Мне интересно, на людей с каким уровнем интеллекта расчитана эта новость? Перейти по ссылке не пробовали?

Polls

Kdo podle vás sestřelil civilní letadlo nad Ukrajinou?

Proruští separatisté 82%
Ruská armáda 1%
Ukrajinská armáda 14%
Nikdo, šlo o nehodu 3%
hlasovalo: 96677 lidí

[Vercingetorix]

На сайте поменяли результаты голосований. Вчера ответы за Украинскую армию и сепаратистов были полностью противоположны. Видимо, в Чехии кому-то не понравились первоначальные результаты.

[Lithobius]

Как раз такое может быть.

Когда проголосовало 8730 чел. за вариант "Украинская армия сбила" было 82% (то-есть, ~7158 чел.).
На сегодня проголосовало 97620 чел., вчерашние 7158 составляют всего 7.33% от этого количества.
Потому за сутки соотношение могло вполне измениться.

Опрос, в любом случае, является необъективным, поскольку не фиксируется, кто и откуда проголосовал. Голословно можно допустить, что 15 000 чел., проголосовавших за вариант "Украинская армия сбила" голосовали, не выезжая из своего замкадья.

[svp67]

Quote: Lithobius

Потому за сутки соотношение могло вполне измениться.

Не порите чушь, а по последней графе куда данные то делись?
И вот последние данные на момент голосования, а всё что далее - уже фальсификация
Вот что пишет чешская пресса

Кто sestřel на совесть? По-видимому, могут быть однозначно выведены Россия. К даунинг-то произошло в 50 км от российской границы. Диапазон системы Бук составляет 40 км.

http://www.armadninoviny.cz/nazor-vinik-sestreleni-letadla-boeing-777.html

[Don Quixote]

Если пользоваться верным и древним правилом "кому это выгодно", то:
России - не просматривается никаких выгод вообще;
Ополченцам отдаляет или закрывает возможность их признания;
Украине - дает возможность перегруппироваться после тяжелых провалов; дает возможность попытаться оправдать свою бессмысленную жестокость;и еще много можно предполагать...

Реально мне кажется без западных нетоварищей сами украинцы не смогли бы и, самое главное, не решились бы...

[Lithobius]

Ага, а евреям было выгодно, чтобы их травили газом чтобы потом получать репарации.

[the47th]

3% of readers believe that the Russian army did it;
13% think that militias are involved in the attack (on the website - “separatists”);
2% believe it was an accident;
82% sure that the Ukrainian army shot down the plane.

А вот скрин с сайта:

[tomcat117]

"Кэмерон: РФ будет ответственна за Boeing, если его сбили ополченцы"

Кэмерон, а если такой вариант:
ВЕЛИКОБРИТАНИЯ будет виновной если Украина сбила Boeing

[liberty]

Вот вам и "немногие верят в эти бредни"

[MIV999]

Травля ВВП начата на государственном уровне... Думаю вовсе не случайно что все эти события стали происходить ровно ВО ВРЕМЯ или сразу ПОСЛЕ успехов России на каком либо поприще... Успешно проведённая олимпиада в Сочи(против которой США тоже активно выступали) - в ответ Майдан... В этот раз путин провел очень успешную встречу БРИКС, где страны участники обсуждали вопрос об отказе от доллара в расчетах между странами .... и тут же нас пытаются измарать в крови этих евротуристов...
Уши США торчат из-за каждой подляны...

[bergberg]

According to the latest data from space reconnaissance, the missiles of the Buk complex were launched from the territory of Ukraine controlled by the fascist nationalist army of Ukraine. The complexes were supplied from one Baltic country with Australian money. The launch was led by representatives of the American intelligence services. The Russian people are outraged by the valuable actions of America and their NATO subordinates, the destruction of civilians and their defenders. The entire world society should show complete contempt and boycott of Western imperiolism in the person of the EU and NATO. PEOPLE-WORLD let us spit in the direction of western akupants and show them world-wide contempt "UUU S ..... ki!

[MIV999]

Перешёл по ссылке на чешский сайт... К сожалению результаты опроса уже не в пользу ополченцев...
После опроса почти 100000 человек:
81% считает, что виноваты ополченнцы
и только 16%, что украинская армия...
Вопрос к авторам статьи - не могли бы вы выложить скан страницы после 10000 голосующих?...Это достаточно сильная выборка...И мне непонятно, как результаты могли столь радикально измениться...Наверное чешские программисты "поработали"

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: MIV999

Перешёл по ссылке на чешский сайт... К сожалению результаты опроса уже не в пользу ополченцев...

Вчера на этом саите были цифры донаоборот.Вчера на ихнем саите был и сегодня сильно удивлен,как все поменялось или поменяли.

[Dialogue]

Похоже,я единственный,который по ссылке прошелся.Так там как раз наоборот Уверены,что сбили "сепаратисты 81%,а украинская армия 16 %.Совет автору-повнимательней читать.

[MIV999]

вы невнимательны...автор статьи привёл данные после опроса почти 10000...а сейчас проголосовало 100000... результат подозрительно сильно изменился... и если автор статьи подтвердит сканом, что указанные им цифры - реальны, то вопрос скорее не к нему, а к тем. кто накрутил счётчик в пользу укров

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: dialog

.Совет автору-повнимательней читать.

Quote: dialog

Похоже,я единственный,который по ссылке прошелся.Так там как раз наоборот Уверены,что сбили "сепаратисты 81%,а украинская армия 16 %.Совет автору-повнимательней читать.

Вот так было вчера

[the47th]

Как радикально меняется мнение общественности! Я думаю, всем понятно, что из себя представляет "свободная европейская пресса".

[Barakuda]

Quote: figter

Киевское училище в СССР было лучшим в своей отрасли, уровень был высочайший. Но готовило в основном для ЗРК "Круг

Разбирал,ломал 17 лет назад, нет такового уже...не по своей воле..

[AndreyF]

Товарищи, давно читаю этот сайт (выборочно). Зарегистрировался только сегодня. Извините, не смог стерпеть.
Я по поводу опроса чехами. Ну почему никто не прошел по предоставленной ссылке?! Результат ровно наоборот! Боинг сбила вовсе не украинец. армия. Не поленитесь.
К бану готов.
Andrei.

[Alexander Romanov]

Цитата: АндрейФ

К бану готов.
Andrei.

Вы ***** !
Sanya

[Wolka]

ни ДНР , ни ЛНР, ни России от этого не легче, стоит ли беспокоить и сотрясать воздух...

[RADIK]

Если мы так уверенны в своей правоте почему мы ведем себя как провинившиеся школьники.Где адекватный ответ на обвинения?Почему мы пытаемся оправдываться.Какие то австралийцы,великобританцы ("Премьер-министр Великобритании Дэвид Кэмерон призвал Запад ужесточить позицию в отношении России, если доказательства покажут, что Boeing сбили ополченцы") Почему они нам ставят условия а не мы им.Я уже писал чем дальше мы будем крутить этот клубок и честно не начнём отвечать на провокации укров по обстрелу даже своих границ,тем труднее будет его распутывать.А дальше провокации могут быть еще хуже.Где наша национальная гордость,почему она резко пропала у верхушки.Мы втянуты в эту авантюру и просто так нам оттуда не вылезти. либо это безобразие прекратить либо будем долго и нудно терять позиции,пока нас не заставят все таки влезть,но уже будет это сделать более браблематично.

[Ivan 63]

Браво чехи! Я думаю, что у нас, как обычно, найдется быть может большее число педерастов обвиняющих собственную страну- итог "понимаешь гласности и плюрализма"- то есть абсолютно беззубой политики.

[sounddoc]

Господа,мне очень неприятно об этом говорить,но я только-что зашёл по ссылке на сайт и очень расстрился:там за "прорусских сепаратистов",как виновников,проголосовало 80(!!!!) процентов респондентов (всего опрошено почти 100 тысяч человек).Очень прошу автора уточнить инфу.
ЗЫ Большая просьба,не минусовать,мой настрой известен по моим постам...

[Prizm08]

зашел, глянул....

[Johnny51]

Мне кажется, что "чёрных ящиков" просто не найдут, а если вдруг (!!!) найдут, то непременно потеряют. Международная комиссия будет всячески тормозиться, а когда наконец прибудет на место, то "выяснится", что "сепаратисты украли чёрные ящики"... Против подлецов очень сложно играть- они не признают правил.

[Bormental]

Чехи лживых и подлых хохлов хорошо знают, в одной ымперии жили.

[Goldmitro]

Quote: theadenter

All then will not care already for the result of the investigation. The truth will triumph, but it will be too late ...

К сожалению таков закон жанра информационной войны - первым обвинить противника, вылить на него ведро помоев и пусть он отмывается, оправдывается находясь в дерьме, а когда очистится это уже мало кого будет интересовать! А поскольку на стороне Запада их могучие "независимые, демократические, объективные" СМИ плюс, в значительной мере, подконтрольные западу международные организации да и, вообще, целые страны, то "очиститься" от обвинений России будет очень не легко, если только наша разведка не придерживает "железные" козыри, чтобы выложить их в критический момент и обвинить на весь мир Запад ВО ЛЖИ и в МАНИПУЛЯЦИИ общественным мнением ( и это будет уже не впервой)! Такое уже было и поэтому сегодня уже многие, в т.ч. и на Западе, уже не спешат принимать на веру истеричные вопли западных СМИ и поспешные выводы известных русофобов!

[whiteswanVex]

Preved-Medved

Замечательно, весьма ценная фраза

[pinwheelimagesmum]

Preved-Medved

Обычно с пол года требуется

[Slavianin_37]

Если бы еще их мнение, да в нужные уши !

[CB activist]

В старшей группе детского сада могут высказываться разные версии о том, откуда берутся дети, но по мере приближения к миру взрослых людей все версии сходятся к одной, общеизвестной. А вот что касается ряда других вопросов, не связанных с репродукцией напрямую, (например, социально-политических), то взрослые люди в своей наивности подобны старшей группе детского сада, высказывают разные версии там, где лишённым всяких иллюзий специалистам виден лишь один единственный достоверный вариант.

Так, например, С.Е. Кургинян считает весь восторженный хор по адресу Стрелкова (единственного героя, который сражается голыми руками, которому не помогает РФ, который сдаёт города, но становится от этого ещё больше героем) классической PR-кампанией Стрелкова, поскольку весь этот информационный поток имеет полный законченный набор признаков PR-кампании. Лишённый иллюзий добросовестный специалист, имея полный набор признаков какого-либо известного явления, просто обязан признать наличие данного явления, и никакого другого. Наивные могут продолжать строить разнообразные версии.

Далее добросовестный специалист (в д.сл. Кургинян) обязан, по велению профессионального долга, поставить перед собой суровый вопрос: под какие выборы развёрнута данная PR-кампания? Парламентские? Они через 2 года. Президентские? Они через 4 года. Наивные обитатели старшей группы могут считать, что можно держать PR-кампанию некоего лица в разогретом состоянии в течении нескольких лет. Но специалист говорит - PR-акцию можно держать не более 5-6 месяцев, далее должен быть желаемый выборный результат, либо акция просто сдуется. Но до выборов далеко, никто не будет поддерживать PR-акцию до 2016 - 2018 годов. Так зачем её начали сейчас, с таким запасом времени? Великовозрастные дети могут, конечно, уклоняться от ответа, но профессиональный аналитик такого права не имеет (несчастный взрослый человек, он не имеет права уклоняться от реальности и от вопросов, которые она ставит).

Так зачем кампанию начали сейчас? Ответ один - если кампанию начали, а до очередных выборов ещё годы, то собираются устроить в РФ досрочные выборы Президента в этом году. Бред. И тут бандеровцы, имеющие от США "лицензию на убийство", сбивают гражданский самолёт над Донбассом. И происходит это как раз в тот момент, когда рядом пролегал курс борта №1. Ведущие СМИ выдвигают предположение, что бандеровский режим, возможно, хотел поразить именно борт №1, а малазийский самолёт просто оказался в плохом месте в плохое время. Тоже бред.

Таким образом, имеем два предположения:

1. досрочные выборы Президента в 2014 году (а иначе, по какому поводу PR-кампания?),
2. Президентский борт №1, как цель для украинской ПВО

каждое из которых, взятое в отдельности, т.е. изолированно, является бредом. Но вместе они образуют непротиворечивую замкнутую систему. Обитатели старшей группы могут отмахнуться от этой связки, а вот люди, воспринимающие жизнь серьёзно, придают таким смысловым связкам большое значение.

[s1н7т]

Амеров мнение чехов волнует как мнение немцев, например. В смысле - им плевать на чьё-то мнение. Так, может, уже пора? Ну, там, кнопку какую нажать. Чтобы мнение амеров больше никого не интересовало?

[Kostya pedestrian]

Ну вот теперь понятно от куда слово "украина" повелось!

Это - япония, которая у окраин матушки Россеи ошивается, думая что где украсть, что плохо лежит. Поработители хе2ровы.

Номер Малазийского флайта видели? MH-17. язык хе(руви)мов(АЙ) не столько сложный, ломается быстро.

Все знают ниссан пульсар. Поэтому это не два минуса, а один плюс сбил два самолёта в Южной России Боинг и Ильюшин.

Так вот, разве МН-17 не читается как НiScМ0 (0 можно прочесть между строк как «Министерство Обороны Италии ноль»)

Сама марка Nismo была основана 17 сентября 1984. То что на «последних фото» сбитого Ила, виднеется реклама китайской черри видно, но то, что дизайн машины основан на ниссан пульсар не все знают. Как и то, что это за любители изваяний из буша живут на Арнольд стрит, рядом с детской площадкой, напоминающей памятник германским подводникам на Деримут трайл, и ездят на тойоте идентичного цвета, знают не все.

Что забавно, так это их интерпретация Юпитера – жури террористов. Кто изощрение что-ли? Но как говорил Иисус: «До третьих петухов», меня лично не устраивает. А вот меч Апостола Павла – это Холодное Оружие!

В заключении, ещё один интересный факт про масонские тайные правительства, кладущих, и на чёрное, и на белое - ниссан «свело» мизмо из Паблик(G)эй(K)шн дивизии, расположенной в Оппама, и заводов Омори. Тут интересное фото предлагает википедия – там жёлтый автобус, точь в точь как когда-то единственный маршрут 38 автобуса ЛиАЗ от Дома Кино (нонче католический костёл) до конечной, которая недалеко от озера «мы – за ценой не постоим»

Правда, они не продумали, почему за озером район назвали Зелёный луг (план). Всё та же тупая самоуверенность, что мы одни во вселенной.

Про пик путина в Киргизстане я говорить не буду, мне это не интересно как ресторан Юпитер на Останкинской башне, а вот про безрукавку безопасности производства фирмы «Пик», как в кино «Золотые яйца» я упомяну. Потому что защитная рабочая одежда помогает предотвращать катастрофы, а вот горы – это, как поёт Высоцкий?

Учитывая, что это не догма или утверждение, я просто вношу предпосылку для логического обсуждения, и уже на основании других фактов, и подтверждения моих умозаключений, можно сделать правдивый вывод, насколько эта теория близка к реальности.

[Kostya pedestrian]

Внизу я скопировал "последнее фото сбитого ИЛ-76 под Луганском".
Как я писал ранее о корпорации МАзда(ЛА), Ура! Вернее о фото их штаба на Википедии, меня то же возле озера Цна в Минске хотели потопить или сбить, я точно не знаю. И увере, что Дом Павлова - надёжная защита. Не зря библия так источина червями, живущими в яблоке "тойота". Это как герой Вицина зи кино "ЗА спичками", такие закройщики-перекройщики.

Орленок, орленок — могучая птица,
Лети ты в далекий мой край,
Там мама-старушка по сыну томится,
Родимой привет передай!

Орленок, орленок — могучая птица,
К востоку стреми свой полет,
Взлети над Москвою, над красной столицей,
Где Ленин любимый живет!

Орленок, орленок, ему расскажи ты
Про наших врагов, про тюрьму;
Скажи, что в плену мы, но мы не разбиты
И нас не сломить никому[1].


Внизу: танковы музей в Пароле Курляндия, ныне финляндия.

[Kostya pedestrian]

Кино "Мистер Вампир" так же может дать кое-какие подсказки, заодно и повеселить.

Всё же "не отступать и не здаваться" звучит куда честнее, чем слоган Морской пехоты РФ "Там, где мы, там Победа"

Еслиб это была правда, то я думаю, что тогда советских морских пехотинцев разобрали бы большие корпорации.

Интересно сколько работает морских пехотинцев, на пример, на ГАЗе или Камазе?

Или почему выписывать дорогого тренера для сборной России по футболу? Не проще было бы снарядить пару-тройку морских пехотинцев? Или они на стороне ФРГ?

[kozkna]

Жалко, что когда появятся результаты расследования США уже новую диверсию соорудят.

[doxtop]

Не удивлюсь, если после тщательного осмотра обломков и пробития найденных номеров узлов по базе "Боингов" обнаружится полное сходство с Малазийским бортом пропавшим над индийским океаном. :)
По крайней мере... будь я не месте "Матрасников", я бы так и сделал. Сначала спер самолет у какого нить государства (нейтрального для Укров и России), а потом использовал бы его в своих черных целях. )))

[doxtop]

Quote: Lithobius

Как раз такое может быть.

На сегодня проголосовало 97620 чел., вчерашние 7158 составляют всего 7.33% от этого количества.
Потому за сутки соотношение могло вполне измениться.

Или, что наиболее вероятно... чешских айтишников "вежливо" попросили поменять строчки "Сепаратисты" и "Украинская армия".
;)

[Book]

Какая-то хрень тварится с этим сайтом, похоже опросник то липовый и накручивают сами как требуется!! Ибо данные всегда разные!
Да и на самом деле по барабану что они там считают, надеюсь что расследование будет беспристрастным и покажет кто же все-таки сделал такое бесчинство!

[MIV999]

Да уж)..."Фантастический" сайт... Я по роду своей деятельности занимался мат.статистикой... И могу с великой долей вероятности утверждать, что выборка в 10000 голосов уже достаточно репрезентативна... И поэтому именно первоначальные результаты более-менее правдоподобны...
Далее показатели могут меняться в пределах плюс-минус 5-10% максимум, но не более... Очевидно, модераторы сайта поначалу не уследили, и случайно сказали правду... А потом им уже пришлось крутить счётчики в зависимости от указаний "сверху"...
В любом случае, автору статьи - спасибо)...За доказательство того, что далеко не все чехи отключили мозги...А также за доказательство того, что, судя по дальнейшим столь резким трансформациям итогов, бороться нам приходится прежде всего с продажностью "независимых" СМИ