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Reports from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich 18-19 July 2014 of the year

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Yesterday at 12: 14


Overview of the combat situation in the last hours


10: 00 (MSC) From the direction of Varvarovka Old Krasnyanka, Bulgakovka is firing from heavy artillery. Also suffer areas Severodonetsk, are fighting.
Two turntables (allegedly 8) were seen in Kapitanovo, a landing was probably carried out, automatic firing was heard.
10: 25 (MSC) There is shelling of Rubezhniy, in some parts of the city the electricity has been turned off.
10: 35 (MSC) From the side of Torsky, an attack aircraft went in the direction of Rubezhniy.
11: 00 (MSC) In Lisichansk worked MLRS dill.
11: 15 (ISC) In the area of ​​Avdiivka there are explosions (allegedly worked MLRS).
(information is being corrected). As a result of these blows, the refinery burns, there are hits in tanks with sulfur, tanks with hydrogen are not far from it. At the moment (11: 20 MSK), firefighters are fighting the fire. "

Yesterday at 12: 14

Morning summary of the militia


“Yesterday, late in the evening (ca. 23.00-23.30), an attempt by Ukrainian troops to break out of the boiler in the Red Guerrilla area (LPR) was thwarted. and did not waste ammunition to smoke them).

Artillery firefights continued throughout the night in Lugansk — the militiamen worked on punitive positions at the airport, the Metalist region and the Stanitsa-Luganskaya region. In response, ukry again bombed residential areas and infrastructure. Around 2 nights, light disappeared throughout the city, in most parts of the city - water.

About one o'clock in the morning, the checkpoint of the National Security Councils of the village Varvarovka (Rubezhnoy district)
Near 01.40 - 2.00 at the entrance to Slavyansk a punitive checkpoint was attacked. About the losses is not yet known.
According to the statements of ukrov, their checkpoint in sec. Maksimilyanovka (west of Donetsk) was fired from RPGs and shooters and there are casualties.

Fighting has now resumed in the Rubezhnoye area — the roadblocks of the national ambassadors in the area with. Varvarovka and Old Krasnyanka. Punishers shoot in the area of ​​the CSC.
There is also a battle in the area of ​​the village of Borovskoye-Smolyaninovoye (east of Lysychansk).
In the area of ​​Karlovka (near Donetsk) there is also artillery firing. "

Yesterday at 12: 20

Message from I. I. Strelkov about Boeing


"According to the people who collected the corpses, a significant part of the corpses is" stale "- people died about a few days ago. I can not vouch for the complete accuracy of this information - of course, the forensic experts' opinion is necessary."

Yesterday at 13: 02

Comment from I. I. Strelkova


- Someone else has to fly such a plane, which, including, will be impossible to leave. The version with the plane, full of dead, exciting, of course, but somehow the meaning is not visible.

I. I .: "Firstly, not all people on the plane were dead before the fall.
Secondly, a large number of medicines, serum and other things were found on the plane, which is not typical of an ordinary liner. It seems that there was a medical special.
Thirdly, I do not insist on anything (yet). I just literally talked with two people who had personally collected the bodies immediately after the fall (both from Shakhtersk and arrived at the site less than half an hour after the disaster). From their words and writing. They stressed that many of the corpses turned out to be “completely bloodless” - as if the blood had coagulated long before the disaster. They also noted the strongest corpse smell, noted by many local residents - such a smell could not form in half an hour in any weather, and the weather was cloudy yesterday, not too hot.
Fourthly, I myself am extremely suspicious of all kinds of “conspiracy studies”, but 18 of our fighters poisoned by chemistry at the positions in Semenovka, shootings of members of militia families and other “little joys of svyazymi patriots” convinced me that the Ukrainian authorities are capable of any meanness.

The pilots, of course, were quite alive - the whole cabin (and the front part was well preserved) was literally covered with their blood. "

Yesterday at 14: 04

Junta troop loss statement for 9-15 July 2014


Reports from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich 18-19 July 2014 of the year


Yesterday at 14: 40

Message from the militia Prokhorov

"An hour ago, ukry launched an offensive in three directions.
From the area Artemovka - 3 strike Grad in the area Popasnaya. Shelling also takes place in the Perevalsk area - they want to take the Brain faction into ticks. They are now advancing on Mikhailovka (there is a militia checkpoint).
Also bombed the area around with. Sirotinovo (near Severodonetsk) - Grads struck.

Fighting continues in the "gut" - fighting in the area of ​​Krasnopartizansk, Saur-Tomb is shelled by a city.

In the area of ​​the Red Ray - explosions.

A column of Ukrainian armored vehicles is moving to Sverdlovsk.

In Lugansk, the eastern and southern parts of the city are being bombarded by the city - 9 is known to have been killed.

Near Donetsk ukry on the outskirts of the village. Green (near Sands and airfield) ".

Yesterday at 14: 55

Summary of places in the last hours


11: 40 (MSC) According to Lisichansk, "tornadoes" work, Sirotin is also hit.
12: 00 (MSC) Continues massive shelling using MLRS of various calibers. Sirotino is on fire. In the area of ​​the Kramatorsky airfield two “Bukas” are based.
13: 00 (ISC) According to Kapitanonovo from Muratovo, the MLRS worked.
13: 05 (MSC) A powerful explosion thundered in the Theotokos.
13: 15 (MSC) In the Red Firth two explosions.
14: 10 (MSC) The shelling of Lysychansk, Rubezhniy and Luhansk using MLRS and heavy artillery continues. There are fierce battles.
14: 35 (MSK) In the field of the database there are interruptions with a mobile connection. Lugansk, Stakhanov subjected to attacks MLRS. There are a lot of victims in the Luhansk region of Marika, urgently everyone needs to find shelter.
14: 40 (MSC) By this time, seven civilian dead were authentically known during the ongoing shelling of Luhansk.
14: 45 (MSC) For Sirotino strong smoke, burning fields.

Yesterday at 15: 26

Reported journalists from Lugansk


“A few minutes ago, the Ukrainian punishers struck an artillery strike on the territory of the Eastern Market in the Zhovtnevyi district of Luhansk from the crossroads of the quarter of 50 of the USSR years to the quarter of Solnechny and Vatutina.
There is a fight. st. Soviet 66.
Hitting a mine in the garage. 1 man died on the spot. A mine dropped near Cosmos and in the monolith area for 50 years, there are dead and wounded. In the Bus Station District, shoot, from Grad. Shells exploded in the area of ​​the Eastern Market. Many killed and wounded civilians. In the fire station number XXUMX, it is that on the square. Shcherbakova, a shell hit the training tower, all the people in the bomb shelter. Hail toughly pounding on the city and residential areas and hospitals. The shells also got into 3 school on the Sunny Quarter, in the area of ​​the Eastern Market near the 40 storey building many corpses ...
In Latugino Factory cottages. I hit a shell in the pumping and upper tank area of ​​the obelisk. Killed woman. "






Yesterday at 15: 45

Statement of the press service of the Lugansk city council


"Another black day: according to preliminary data, more than 20 civilians died today in Lugansk.

During the present day, intensive bombardment of Lugansk continues. Shells fall in almost all districts, including hits in the center, in the Yuzhny, Heroes of Stalingrad, Gaevoy, 50 years of October, in Kamennobrodsky district, bus terminal, Lesotorgovoy and other parts of the city.
According to preliminary information, more than 20 civilians have died since this morning. This information is checked, the exact number of dead and injured will be specified.
We appeal to the citizens of Lugansk to observe security measures, to refrain from going outside, not to move around the city unless absolutely necessary, if possible in places of armed clashes is in shelters. "

Yesterday at 16: 49

Message from the militia


"In Sverdlovsk, Dyakovo, Marinovka - fierce battles.
Ukry brutally bombed Popasna and the villages east of Artyomovsk from all that they have.
Powerful is now going to Lysychansk tank attack (several dozen tanks) - from the side of Artemovsk.

Over Lugansk Drying of dill - in Mikhaylovka (near Alchevsk) the anti-aircraft gun worked well on it.

16: 30 (msk) Ukry 2 waves Drying out bombed the militia positions at the airport of Lugansk and residential neighborhoods located nearby.
Ukrov tanks attacking the positions of the militia on the Jubilee.

Popasnaya still holds, even though she is fired from almost all sides.

The Lisichansky Oil Refinery was again fired from Grad and the artel, like Perevalsk, got into the tank at the fuel and raw material base, it burns and smokes very much.

There is information about the battles in the Donetsk airport.

Fighting continues in the Sverdlovsk region.



Yesterday at 17: 02

Summary of places in the last hours of the militia


14: 55 (ISC) In the area of ​​the railway station Slavyansk shooting, explosions. In Radakovo go serious fierce battles.
Dill deliberately conduct artillery fire on substations, charge mobile phones whenever possible.
15: 20 (ISC) In the area Popasnoy fights.
15: 40 (MSC) A couple of attack aircraft went over the Bogorodichny in the direction of Lugansk. Over Bogorodichny, Lugansk flies reconnaissance An-26.
15: 50 (MSC) Above the 33 school there is a pair of sushiq, in the area of ​​the third airport (Lugansk). On the highway Kharkov-Rostov in the area of ​​Artemovsk our covered dill.
15: 55 (MSC) In the area of ​​prominent drying worked NARami.
16: 10 (ISC) In the area of ​​Avdeevka again explosions.

Yesterday at 17: 55

Summary of places in the last hour of the militia


17: 00 (ISC) From the side of Muratovo, two MLRS BM-21 and support trucks passed towards Aydar.
17: 20 (MSC) Fighting resumed near the airport (Donetsk) and Sand.
17: 25 (MSC) Artillery strikes from Varvarovka go along Tomashovka, heavy dill artillery is working.
17: 35 (ISC) Aircraft is circling Above the Mother of God, fighting continues in Alchevsk. They go artudary on Rubizhne.

Yesterday at 18: 36

Report of the press service of the Lugansk city council


Victims and destruction in Lugansk (generalized data)
Attention! Information excluding casualties and destruction 18 July.
Civilians:
Fallen - 44 man
including children - 1
Wounded - 215 people
including children - 4

Destruction:
Apartment buildings - 46
Private Sector Homes - 195
Objects of social sphere
Schools - 3
Kindergartens - 12
Bus station
Pharmacy warehouses

Objects of the industrial sphere
Plants - 5
Warehouse of finished products of private enterprises - 10

Shops - 18
Including supermarkets - 3
Catering - 2
Closed 60% of urban markets.

City life support objects
Damaged trolley buses - 10
Tramways - 5
Public buses - 3
Shuttle Taxis - 40
Contact lines for electric vehicles - 10 km
Power Lines - 19 km
Roadbed - 17000 sq.m.
Boiler Rooms - 6
Electrical Substation - 11
Water Supply Facilities - 4
There are not enough 150 doctors and 250 nurses to provide medical care to the population.

Yesterday at 20: 53

Message from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich


"In the direction of Donetsk from the west - demonstrations of ukrov tanks. Not to call it an offensive - no infantry. At the same time strikes are made by Grad (1 battery, 4 installations) on Pesky, Thin.
Large forces are concentrated from the south of Donetsk - in the area of ​​Lugansky settlement. Just as if they were gathering for the assault ... Well, well ... The concentration of the enemy’s armor and artillery in the Grigorovka area continues in the direction of Marinovka. Probably, the attack is planning to start tomorrow. The goal is to expand the corridor to their grouping in the areas of Dyakovo - Zelenopole. Our artillery attacked the Kozhevnya settlement, where several hundred fighters of the 79 airborne brigade concentrated, trying to get out of the sack themselves. Tanks and a lot of artillery were accumulated [by the enemy] in considerable numbers in the Elenovka area.

Yesterday at 20: 55

Message from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich


“In the Popasnaya district, no one is rushing, although shelling is really intense. The same is under Lisichansk: terrorist attacks on [dill] of industrial zones and residential areas (nobody writes about them, unlike Boeing)). , the situation with the shot down by the fault of ukrov (precisely for them - regardless of who actually hit the plane) sharply worsened the prospects for Russian assistance and, conversely, brought the punishers closer to the coveted support of the NATO "peacekeepers." years in Bosnia when Slobodan Milosevic decided to provide full support for the Serbian rebels ... Final everyone remembers? The president mysteriously died suddenly in prison and humiliated Serbia and trimmed "at the most can` t '.

Yesterday at 21: 02

Comments from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich


[How influenced news about Boeing crash on the militia]
II.: “Firstly, no one admits that ours were shot down. Secondly, everyone is sure that they have shot down ukry - because they have been expecting any abominations from them for a long time. Thirdly, the“ geopolitics ”are not peculiar to soldiers in trenches They will feel the possible consequences of the brilliantly carried out provocation much later ... if they come, of course. "
[About what you need to win in the DNI and LC]
II.: "I would have a couple more of heavy artillery divisions and at least a dozen two or three tanks ... It would be easier to fight with them, as well as with Pravda and with God ..."
[About St George Crosses]
II.: "The basis is only the version of the PRC. The bow is obligatory. The tape is exclusively Georgievskaya, since this is the Civil Code, and not the" miner's cross. "Suggestions for minor details can be accepted."

Yesterday at 21: 09

Comments from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich


[At today's meeting of the Security Council, a statement was made several times that Russia allegedly transferred “50 tanks” to the militia. What do you think about this?]

II.: “I didn’t notice something ... But even if I had transferred - what are 50 tanks compared to 700-800 tanks used by ukrami? And with almost no own anti-tank artillery and very few heavy artillery - so generally "symbolic" help.

Yesterday at 21: 20

Message and photo from the militia of Rubezhnoye and Severodonetsk


"After the shelling of the village of Serebryanka with hail, a one-year-old child died.
The number of victims in Severodonetsk: while 2 person. Today in Severodonetsk, the militia detained a 2 spotter, who fired at civilians.
After today's attacks of Severodonetsk, there are dead. Civilian In Rubezhnoy dill fired base of Privolya (street to the river). Fighting fire at the refinery. All this terrible smoke makes this (pictured) capacity with oil. "
Video from the locals.



Yesterday at 21: 43

Overview of the combat situation in the last hours


17: 50 (ISC) In the Amvrosievka area, fierce fighting continues, and fighting is also taking place on the outskirts of Seversk.
18: 30 (MSC) In the area of ​​Old Krasnyanka there is an intense battle, you can hear the gaps from the grenade launchers, automatic and machine-gun shooting, CPVT, A30.
19: 05 (ISC) Shelling of oil refineries resumed, outbreaks in the center of the plant.
19: 30 (ISC) Smoke rises above the refinery, shelling of Lysychansk and Tomashovka continues, fire is fired from Varvarovka; our lead counter-battery work.
19: 45 (MSC) In the side of Varvarovka you can hear automatic shooting.
20: 00 (MSC) Popas storming the battalion of mercenaries "Donbass", and they have several dozen dead and wounded. With losses, they retreated from Popasna. Ukrov had problems with equipment and p / a - they even had to remove the checkpoint at Ivanopoly and direct people towards Konstantinovka.
- Lysychansky Oil Refinery is on.
- Ukry continue to fire Lugansk from Gradov and artel.
- From Kramatorsky airfield across Lisichansk Smerches now work.
- In Perevalsk everything is fine. But Ukrainian troops are trying to advance to Alchevsk.
- There are also battles in the Krasnodon, Sukhodolsk, Lugansk (Vergunka), Lutugino areas.
- There is a battle on the approaches to Lysychansk at s. Belogorovka. Another column in this direction passed through Seversk.

Yesterday at 22: 40

Message from the Vice-Speaker of the Supreme Council of the DPR, Vladimir Makovich


“Donetsk People’s Republic creates its own police force. A new structure is being created, which we hope will be spared from the loop of corruption and abuse that has been dragged along by the Ukrainian police. The republic’s police will be subordinate to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which was headed by Oleg Bereza the day before. The DPR police will rely on Russian experience. From Russian colleagues, our police will not only take the name of the department. In the new law on the police there are many intersections with the Russian analog , Contains similar requirements to the ministers of law and order. In addition, will be developed a new form of police officers close to the Russian model. "

Yesterday at 22: 44

Message from a local resident


"Luhansk ukry bombed mercilessly. The house nearby was bombed. Everywhere screams, cries ... Puddles of blood.

23: 03 (MSK) Air-raid alert. Over Lugansk aircraft. Circled and left, like without shelling.

Yesterday at 23: 26

Message from the militia


"Near Smolyaninovo (near Severodonetsk) there is a clash of militia and dill. Our people came to visit them at the checkpoint."

From the locals.

"Lugansk is on fire, there is a bombing, many wounded, no light, water, communications, mines are burning, Beloye, Gaevoi quarter, Aleksandrovka."

Yesterday at 23: 28

Post from blogger


"Today was for Lugansk one of the bloodiest of all history of war. More cruel shelling, according to local residents, was not yet. 44 dead people - and it seems that their number is still not much, but may increase. 215, according to recent reports, listed as wounded.
It is reported that the 30 mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine entered the city limits. Apparently, she was redeployed from Lysychansk and was designed not so much to take the city, for which she simply did not have the strength, but to cover the retreat of the units and divisions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard under the city that had been defeated before. "

Yesterday at 23: 47

Photo from the militia


"Photos of the BMP of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of Ukraine between Krasnodon and Izvarino, fresh".


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Today in 0: 55

Comment from the militia Prokhorov:


- Ukrainian media broadcast that ukry entered Lugansk. Fake?

"DRG entered the village. Yubileyny. This is so. They are now neutralized. Regarding the other already voiced" Peremog ", neither Georgievka, nor Luxurious, nor Factory Ukry did not take.
Ukry entered Blagodatnoe (halfway from Amvrosievka to Shakhtersk). There is also good news - Popasnaya keeps, although the ukry village is flattened to the ground. In the area Dolzhansky also well covered ukrov. Over Lugansk from MANPADS 2 was driven off Drying (literally half an hour ago) "

Today in 1: 15

message from the militia


"Contrary to media reports in Lugansk there is no Ukrainian troops, the city is under the control of the army of the Luhansk People's Republic.
Lugansk continue to shoot Grads and artillery, the number of wounded and dead is growing. The shelling is mainly from the village of Metalist. Most of the city lost light, water, burning mines near the city. On the outskirts of the fighting are punitive detachments.
Fights go under Rubizhny, the guard post of the National Guard is attacked.
In the area of ​​Krasnodon there is a clash with the use of artillery and anti-tank guided missiles, according to preliminary data, they are destroying a column of Ukrainian equipment. "

Today in 1: 21

Video from the militia


The elimination of artillery Ukrainian punitive under Krasnodon.



Today in 2: 26

Reports from places in the last hours


01: 40 (MSC) Now relatively quiet. In Lugansk and Severodonetsk, shelling and airstrikes continued. Lugansk is not taken. There is a very tense situation in the Popasna region, and heavy fighting has been going on there throughout the day. Also clashes in Smolyaninovo.
In Donetsk, the situation is under control, during the day there were shelling by artillery in the area of ​​Pisok, Avdiivka. On Cable evening was not calm.
Today was one of the tense due to the huge number of air and artillery strikes, dill actively used the MLRS of all calibers; many dead among the civilian population. During the battles, control over the main defense sectors was retained by the militia. Under Krasnodon and in the area of ​​Artyomovsk, the enemy's artillery batteries, armored vehicles, and living force were destroyed.

Today in 2: 39

Message from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich


“We have a little easier today ... In Marinovka there are three“ two hundredths ”(two of them are from the“ penalty box ”, who by negligence have wandered into the Ukrainian minefield) and one“ three hundredth ”.
In other areas there are no losses.
The DRN of the 1 Battalion attacked an enemy checkpoint near the village of Ostroi (east of Kurakhovo). Destroyed 1 enemy BTR.
The airport was fired from mortars - there was a powerful detonation. It is not known, however, whether she was the result of a shelling, or ukry, preparing to leave the airport, themselves blew up the remaining ammunition.
The outskirts of the city (Peski village, Andreevka) fired tanks and Grad. The enemy's tank posts (4 of the tank in each) occupied the villages of Tonenkoe and Severny (north-west of the airport). Both villages were previously subjected to attacks by the enemy from the MLRS. There are civilian casualties.
In Lugansk, I have no reliable information. "
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 19 July 2014 07: 23 New
    +9
    I am sure that very soon the militia will go on the counteroffensive as well as our grandfathers dozens of years ago! The day will come and the fireworks will announce the victory over the Nazis in such a near but very close Ukraine!
    1. Matroskin 18
      Matroskin 18 19 July 2014 07: 31 New
      +4
      "According to the people who collected the corpses, a significant part of the corpses -" stale "- people died a few days ago. I can not vouch for the full reliability of this information - of course, the conclusion of forensic experts is necessary."

      And how were they registered at the airport, put on a plane? ...
      1. ℳy ℒiƒℯ
        ℳy ℒiƒℯ 19 July 2014 07: 34 New
        +2
        Regarding the loss report, most likely a fake, because NG and BB are one and the same.
        1. Plamya77
          Plamya77 19 July 2014 08: 25 New
          +8
          The National Guard and the BB are far from the same. The BB are conscripts. The NG are “volunteers,” although there are practically no volunteers because of the nightmarish losses. The personnel were completely knocked out and understaffed in many “battalions” 3-4 times (the same "Donbass", "Dnepr", "Azov" ...) It is quite possible to fake, however, in the direction of UNDERSTANDING losses (on ZSU, NSU ... etc.).
      2. lora99
        lora99 19 July 2014 08: 19 New
        20
        The Netherlands is controlled by the United States, and they probably said alive that the special cargo was brought to the AIDS symposium. If only these corpses were not infected with AIDS, otherwise the virus could get through the abrasions and wounds to the militias while they loaded them there.
        Igor Ivanovich, please be healthy and, most importantly, alive! May the guardian angel reliably continue to cover you!
      3. Wheel
        Wheel 19 July 2014 08: 24 New
        +5
        Quote: Matroskin 18
        And how were they registered at the airport, put on a plane? ...

        A matter of technology ...
        1. 97110
          97110 19 July 2014 13: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Wheel
          A matter of technology ...

          no, a matter of finance
      4. dmitrich
        dmitrich 19 July 2014 08: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: Matroskin 18
        And how were they registered at the airport, put on a plane? ...

        ask the Americans.
      5. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 19 July 2014 09: 20 New
        +7
        Quote: Matroskin 18
        And how were they registered at the airport, put on a plane? ...


        Do not ask stupid questions- SILENT. Dead bodies cannot talk. All were under the names - M-1, M-2, etc.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 July 2014 07: 44 New
      14
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      I’m sure that very soon the militias will go on the counterattack

      Until they can, too many forces are concentrated on those who are surrounded by the border. But if ours were fucking at them, then another thing, and so more and more people will die.
      And the "civilized world" doesn’t give a damn about it.
      Okay, XU from XU points are set completely.
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 19 July 2014 08: 39 New
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Until they can, too many forces are concentrated on those who are surrounded by the border. But if ours were fucking at them, then another thing, and so more and more people will die.


        Yes, the elimination of border boilers will release many forces of New Russia. And then you can deal with airfields, and then attack.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 19 July 2014 08: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Until they can, too much power is drawn on those who are sitting at the border surrounded by.

        At this time (online, so to speak) in the Saur Grave area, powerful artillery (missile-bomb?) Explosions are heard ...
        During the day, a relocation of DNR equipment was observed ...
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 19 July 2014 09: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Now, if ours were fucked by them

        It’s not worth it to “get involved” in this way. Strelkov himself declares that he “for complete happiness” lacks TANKs and ARTILLERY ... (II, I think I would also be grateful for military advisers who will teach how to use all this correctly) .
    3. master 84
      master 84 19 July 2014 08: 02 New
      +5
      Hold on Slavs brothers NOT A STEP BACK.
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 19 July 2014 09: 35 New
      +1
      Hold on to the militias, the junta is gradually starting to run out of steam. Destroy the fascist svol.loch in order to eradicate this evil on earth.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 19 July 2014 11: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Giant thought
        Hold on to the militias, the junta gradually begins to run out of steam.


        Read and analyze ...

        11-13, Message from Strelkova:
        Bravura messages ... how they got it! "The militia wins !!!" ... yeah ... twice ... One to one is repeated (but on a much larger scale) the situation with Slavyansk - the enemy, advancing step by step, "cuts" our communications, and in " twitter "sounds" Everything is fine, beautiful marquise! ".
        Yesterday, the enemy cut the last main highway connecting Donetsk with Lugansk and, accordingly, with Russia. The enemy strongholds are now located in the villages of Beloye and Veselaya Tarasovka. Now the Ukrainians are hastily burying dozens of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles in the ground to exclude the possibility of a breakthrough in defense.


        Now it will begin again in the comments on all resources: "Igor Ivanitch was sad" with a hint that everything is "not so bad." Everything is very bad !!! Tactical victories in minor sectors cannot change the strategic environment and the results of strategic defeats! And the surrender of the White and Merry Tarasovka is on our scale precisely a strategic defeat!
        Now we are cut off from the border - that is, from any supply.
    5. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 19 July 2014 18: 37 New
      0
      where such confidence? Strelkov is not even sure, but you are sure.
  2. SSR
    SSR 19 July 2014 07: 24 New
    23
    Damn at least someone! Only in the last 15 days the military killed civilians and three Boeing777, but for the people it’s not so important (((((((
    And how much for in the "atom"? Euro Americans, civilians have already died in a dozen Boeing and creatures inflate their card .......
  3. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 19 July 2014 07: 27 New
    40
    Civilians are massively destroyed infrastructure is destroyed .. barbarians ..
    I completely agree with this and it will be sooner or later
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 19 July 2014 07: 34 New
      21
      Shoot unarmed - that's the prowess of the Nazis, -
      Such a mutation of the mind.
      But even more - who nurtured revenge-seekers,
      Hiding behind cheap phrases.
      1. smolnuy
        smolnuy 19 July 2014 07: 48 New
        19
        "A crest will remain a crest
        Though you let him in Europe
        Where to act with the mind,
        He only annoys f * ck.

        And that is why in Russia
        Bequeathed as much by Monomakh:
        "Contact God forbid!
        With three - a Jew, a Khokhl and a Pig. "

        The Jew is insidious, although blind;
        Puffy Lyakh - worse than bl ** and,
        Crest - eat the bread with you,
        And then shit in your soup "(c).

        "Ukrainians" T.G.Shevchenko 1851
        1. MBA78
          MBA78 19 July 2014 10: 56 New
          +3
          about the downed Boeing ... what's the point of shooting down an airplane with the dead ... and if there were corpses, they are not infected by some new plague ... you have to be careful ... and is this somehow not connected with the first missing boeng? ??
          and everyone’s passports are like new
  4. Egoza
    Egoza 19 July 2014 07: 28 New
    16
    Here are the OSCE observers to take there. And then, like a rotten Boeing, everyone urgently goes. But they don’t want to look into Lugansk!
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 19 July 2014 07: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      Here are the OSCE observers to take there. And then, like a rotten Boeing, everyone urgently goes. But they don’t want to look into Lugansk!
      Well, drop by, and what will change? They have the freedom of speech in the West - he wanted to set it out like that, did not want to - he gave it out differently, freedom x - and.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 19 July 2014 08: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexej
        Well, drop by, and what will change?

        If at least one shelling falls, then all freedom of speech will change.
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 19 July 2014 09: 28 New
          +1
          It is very unlikely that they will get, and even if they do, Western politicians still do not care about the victims of the civilian population of New Russia. They are so aware of everything that happens (though they pretend not to), at least poke them with their nose.
        2. Irokez
          Irokez 19 July 2014 12: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          If at least one shelling falls, then all freedom of speech will change.

          At one time, Italians died at a checkpoint and nothing has changed.
          Well, if someone dies with the OSCE, then maybe they say something saying "Yes, they shoot there."
          Time provides insight and removes the screen from the information blockade in the west. Therefore, time decides everything and one has to endure, but to believe and hope that soon the situation will change and enlightenment will come completely.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 July 2014 07: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      But they don’t want to look into Lugansk!

      Elena, it’s dangerous there, they can kill.
  5. Alexei
    Alexei 19 July 2014 07: 29 New
    +5
    Humanists Boeings with corpses now shoot down? Survived ...
    Igor Ivanovich would still have serious air support, and legs and horns would remain from the boilers.
  6. Vik.Tor
    Vik.Tor 19 July 2014 07: 31 New
    +3
    The punishers are filthy, climb and climb like a cursed, clone them or something. Piglet plays a game of pan or disappeared, he understands the bastard that it will not work, but that he remains a reptile. The soul with the militias!
    1. Plamya77
      Plamya77 19 July 2014 08: 16 New
      +7
      No, they are not cloned, dear. They are forcibly mobilized, up to knocking out doors in the houses and twisting their hands. And if they peacefully hand the agenda personally, so as not to swing away. Ukraine gave the oath, gave, forward, beef. Otherwise, 8 years in prison as if from a bush, there are already precedents. And nevertheless, there are a lot of deserters and dodgers who are hiding. By the way, you can’t leave the cities by train and bus — they slow down on the blocks, put them on, see above.
  7. Pro100Igor
    Pro100Igor 19 July 2014 07: 33 New
    +4
    I am already shaking when I see a photo of killed civilians. How can you call them enemies and shoot. Even the Nazis did not do that. Oh this blood fennel dill.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 July 2014 08: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: Pro100
      I am already shaking when I see a photo of killed civilians.

      But what a victorious report !!! "The Ukrainian army entered Lugansk." So that you don’t get out of there, hitting the ground !!!
      Let those who did not stain their hands with the blood of civilians, who did not shoot at the militia, but simply deserted, be able to leave. But here are the nonhumans who went there “with joy” and will remain there! Underground!
    2. 97110
      97110 19 July 2014 13: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Pro100
      Even the Nazis did not do that.
      And what did the fascists do? Zaportortirovany, dear.
  8. shishakova
    shishakova 19 July 2014 07: 34 New
    +6
    A downed plane was transporting corpses ?!
    People who were immediately at the scene of the tragedy can correctly assess a lot.
    Thank you Igor Ivanovich.
    Dear Igor Ivanovich! You win slowly, professionally and confidently!
    It cannot be otherwise.
    Further courage to you and smart military tactics. You are doing everything you can to save the world!
    God bless you.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 19 July 2014 08: 17 New
      11
      Something is wrong with this Boeing, a lot of things are unclear, and interestingly, even smoked ones speak very restrainedly about this! It looks like a provocation of a wider scale was being prepared and the Ukrainians shot it down a little earlier than needed, all the same 52 km. it is far from Russia to fasten our air defense! It seems that our FSB will find the answer to this ukro-Amer’s "trick", but there is no doubt that it’s their business (Parashenko, even before the plane burned down, began to scream about the militias and that the Russians were to blame, again "false start")! Well, the "allies" have chosen the United States in Ukraine, but with such friends, lackeys and enemies do not!
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 July 2014 07: 39 New
    +3
    Hang on, warriors. Until victory. There are no other options. Straight “de ja vu” - victory or death. Nobody will treat the wounded militias in dill hospitals. These are not Russians.
  10. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 19 July 2014 07: 39 New
    11
    Judging by the photo, it wasn't Buk who shot down ..
    1. DMB87
      DMB87 19 July 2014 07: 53 New
      +8
      Judging by the photo, it wasn't Buk who shot down ..

      There is already such a version:

      Information from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine: The plane was finished off with light air-to-air missiles.

      I was told (Dmitry Dzygovbrodsky): "The story is more fun and more fun. According to friends: Buk was there, there were also planes. Buk, in fact, missed. I had to finish off with fighters. Air-to-air." Kiev already understands that it will not work. The provocation against Russia failed. Now in Kiev choose the "extreme".

      The situation has a second bottom. The hype with the Boeing, the United States and Kiev at the same time hide the supply of weapons. They continue what started on July 16 in Odessa. Keep an eye on the port.
      politikus.ru


      At the same time, US intelligence said that its satellite observation records suggest that the Malaysian Boeing 777 was “shot down in the skies over Ukraine by a ground-to-air missile,” The Wall Street Journal reported referring to its sources. - The United States is silent, although the media report that America "has different options," including another attack by Kiev.

      “Each side does not want to be the first to lay out trump cards, although the United States and the Russian Federation have satellite imagery and objective data from surveillance systems,” a senior official at the General Staff told Politonline.ru. “We will all see soon,” he added.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 19 July 2014 07: 53 New
      +9
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Judging by the photo, it wasn't Buk who shot down ..

      This is only a FRAGMENT so far. To obtain a WHOLE picture of what has happened, the painstaking work of expert experts is needed ...
      There are so many “fogs” around this tragedy that it is almost impossible for us, the inhabitants, to understand for ourselves what happened after all ...
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 19 July 2014 08: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: Corsair
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Judging by the photo, it wasn't Buk who shot down ..

        This is only a FRAGMENT so far. To obtain a WHOLE picture of what has happened, the painstaking work of expert experts is needed ...
        There are so many “fogs” around this tragedy that it is almost impossible for us, the inhabitants, to understand for ourselves what happened after all ...

        You are right, of course, but such hysteria goes to the Western media .. (as I recall, 08.08.08 and how they figured it out, everyone immediately forgot who first started to kill civilians ..) I think this monstrous provocation will also end and no one will be punished .. Double standards However
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 19 July 2014 08: 35 New
          +9
          Quote: MIKHAN
          I think this monstrous provocation will also end and no one will be punished .. Double standards however

          No one will be punished, but here in the Ukrainian media such hysteria stands !!!! And people on the streets are already proving that Putin needs a war to capture the whole of Ukraine !!!
          Mostly "talk" young guys who for some reason are not in the army. They approach the bus stop (bus, trolley) and begin to "start a conversation." Mostly for women, and they eagerly listen, because believe that since a man, then in military affairs he understands. They themselves do not understand this. And away we go ....
    3. itr
      itr 19 July 2014 08: 17 New
      +1
      mikhan and how knocks a beech ??????
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 19 July 2014 08: 27 New
        +6
        Quote: itr
        mikhan and how knocks a beech ??????

        Do not consider tactlessness as the fact that I am responsible for MIKHAN, but the following article appeared in Esquire magazine:

        Esquire Magazine
        yesterday 22: 00
        "This is a serious battle thing."
        Vitaly Gladilkin, the former commander of the Russian Air Defense Target Detection Station branch, explained to Esquire how an airplane crashes at an altitude of 10 thousand meters.
        Photo: vpk-news.ru
        VITALY GLADILKIN, guard sergeant of the stock of air defense of Russia, commander of the station detection target. At the beginning of the 1990, he served in a training center in Shepetovka in Ukraine, then in the Arctic.
        “The data are now being received versatile, obtained without means of objective control, so I will not make final conclusions, it’s silly to operate with emotions. As Ponsonby said, during the war, the first victim becomes truth.
        Indeed, most likely, the plane was shot down by a rocket - this is more likely than anything else. Whose rocket it was, at the moment no one knows, except for those who launched it. Now it remains to be established at what distance from a possible launch site the rocket hit the plane, as well as many other data.
        Land-to-air missiles, which are capable of hitting a target at an altitude of 10 thousand meters, are launched from medium- and long-range missile systems. No MANPADS could not hit such a target, this is impossible, it simply will not reach it in range and height. It could be a Buk of any modification or a complex of a series C - C-200 or C-300. But we must understand that these guns are not in vain called anti-aircraft missile systems. There is evidence that the DNI had a launcher. The launcher, in principle, can work independently, but if it works outside the complex, its capabilities are very limited. Let's say the installation has been captured. In this case, many questions arise.
        For example, I served in the brigade of constant combat readiness, and there are various levels of storage at which the brigade is partially minimized. Suppose the brigade in which the launcher was captured was on alert. Batteries are in the captured car, air is pumped to start the engine, everything is ready. But there is such a thing as a start key. This is an ordinary, rather small key, but a rocket cannot start without it, it is a serious combat thing. If the division is not put on combat duty, is not fully deployed, then this key is stored somewhere and cannot just fall into the wrong hands. There are instructions according to which the key is in a certain place, a journal is kept that records where, when and by whom it was received. During my service, there were clear instructions for the capture case - in this case, the brigade renders the encryption system and codes unusable. The key must be hidden somewhere, even flush the toilet, just to prevent the enemy from using the captured weapons.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 19 July 2014 08: 30 New
          +7
          "This is a serious combat thing" (continued)

          If the captured gun was in reserved form, then it was necessary to get rockets somewhere else. In theory, they should be removed. You need to have a launcher-loading installation - a crane that lifts and sets rockets on the gun - and be able to use it. With this technique in general you need a lot to be able to. There is such a term, which in the West is called "usability" in technology, and in our country - "foolproofness." Such things cannot be applied just like that. Of course, a trained driver-mechanic will be able to ride it, the basic control systems in the army are more or less unified, but it is not clear what to do next - untrained people cannot handle such an installation, calculation commanders have been studying for 5 years. And besides the commander there is an assistant, radio operator and other crew members.
          The locator of the launcher itself is rather weak. It is effective when working in a complex: a large locator provides a circular view, distant target detection, transmits data to a command post, the command post gives target designation, the launcher unfolds in the shelling sector and begins to illuminate the sector. It’s just that it’s extremely difficult to catch an airplane at an altitude of 10 kilometers flying at a cruising speed of 900 km / h - you need to know where it flies from. There is very little time for launch, you need to have time to prepare. Either those who launched it should have been aces from aces, or it is good to know the sector - there are a lot of questions, and, to be honest, it is difficult to comment.
          The vision range of the central radar is four times the power of the launcher transmitters. The starting overview is sectoral and rather narrow, because it is impossible to place a sufficiently powerful transmitter on such a machine. To conduct a circular review, would have to spin like crazy. In this case, the launcher and the target detection system can be spaced apart in space. Communication can be done in different ways - over the radio or over the wire.
          In this case, in principle, it is possible to mix up military and civilian aircraft on the radar. In any case, in the years when I served, the marks were approximately the same, and the type of aircraft was determined by height and speed.
          I don’t know how in the Ukrainian army, our installations do not work if there is no block “I am my plane”, YaSS. This is a “friend or foe” definition system, codes that a calculation receives only when it enters combat duty. They allow you to distinguish your plane from a stranger. These passwords are changed every few days at a time throughout the country. And without them, the combat use of an anti-aircraft missile system is in principle impossible - in any case, that was when I served. ”
          1. MIKHAN
            MIKHAN 19 July 2014 08: 35 New
            +8
            Thanks Corsair .. You explained everything correctly .. hi In the photo complex Buk ..
          2. itr
            itr 19 July 2014 08: 58 New
            0
            sorry corsair but who said that it wasn’t a beech fire?
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 19 July 2014 09: 05 New
              +3
              Quote: itr
              sorry corsair but who said that it wasn’t a beech fire?

              I will answer as Abram from a joke, with a question to the question: And who said that "BUK"?
        2. Sanya Terek
          Sanya Terek 19 July 2014 21: 06 New
          +1
          Like an anti-aircraft gunner, anti-aircraft gunner, well done. answered well.
    4. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 19 July 2014 09: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Judging by the photo, it wasn't Buk who shot down ..


      I think so too.
      The Boeing brought down a Khuntyaevsky Su-25 from a cannon, either Buk or S-200 was guided by radar guidance.
      The rocket launch was not fixed.
      This was done so that Amer’s assassins .. bastards on the basis of this bloody tragedy could blame the militia for this and bring their warriors into the territory of Ukraine.

      ... it is possible to install additional artillery weapons on the attack aircraft in the form of suspended cannon containers SPPU-22-1, each of which is equipped with a 23-mm GSh-23 double-barreled gun made according to the Gast scheme. Ammunition capacity of each cannon container is 260 rounds. Up to 4 similar containers can be installed on an airplane [12] ... Source: Wikipedia.

      Isn’t it convenient and the caliber with the ZU-23 militia is the same, and given that the Geyropeysky and American people in this case do not “chip”, their confidence that their gamble will “roll” probably 99,9 percent.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 19 July 2014 09: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: wanderer_032
        I think so too.
        "Boeing" shot down the Khuntyaev Su-25 from a cannon, guided by radar

        I will give (without permission, let him forgive) the answer Roman1977 to my question in a "personal" about the POSSIBILITY of such an attack ...
        Theoretically, yes, it carries two P-60 short-range air-defense missiles for self-defense, whose range is 7-10 km (P-60М, P-60МК) .However, at altitudes of the order of 12 km, near the Earth’s surface, the range decreases almost threefold. The practical ceiling of the Su-25-7000 m. Well, here the question arises as to the speed of the cruising speed of the Su-25-750 km / h, the maximum is 950 with the norm. combat load, the Boeing-777, cruising speed-905 km / h. Plus, the lack of radar in the Su-25. In theory, in my opinion, it looks like this: the Su-25, guided from a ground-based radar, rises at the highest possible speed to the highest possible height and launches missiles practically at point blank range, but in practice this is practically impossible. Sincerely. hi
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 19 July 2014 09: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          but in practice it is practically impracticable


          Nothing is impossible for a plan in advance.
          Then the question arises: why did the Su-25 barrage in the area?
          If we take as a basis the fact that the attack aircraft can be facilitated as much as possible to complete a specific task and beat it up with, for example, 1 or 2 of these cannon containers (or you can use a standard cannon to work and not suspend anything, which later on the ground can distinguish a difference of 7 mm, especially that the shells are fragmentation).
          The cruising speed of the Su-25 is not the maximum, it gives out all 900 on the afterburner, but he doesn’t need to do such a task, because he was already in the waiting area (as far as it is known, the Boeing 777 was 8- mi thousand m, there was a message in the media that he received an order from the dispatcher).
          Such an aircraft as a Boeing 777 is quite a big target and a pilot with a normal raid on the Su-25 is quite capable of hitting him from a cannon at such a height and distance.
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 19 July 2014 10: 09 New
            0
            In addition, yesterday this appeared on the Internet:



            Source: Synopsis from Strelkova Igor Ivanovich on the page "In contact"
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 19 July 2014 10: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: wanderer_032
            Then the question arises: why did the Su-25 barrage in the area?

            You better tell me WHY NOW (09: 34 in Kiev) a combat aircraft (s) flew over my house?

            And struck somewhere (or fell) ...

            I post comments a little later than the specified time, since the Internet too (and that's for sure) "fell" ...
            1. wanderer_032
              wanderer_032 19 July 2014 11: 22 New
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              You better tell me WHY NOW (09: 34 in Kiev) a combat aircraft (s) flew over my house?


              I don’t know, you know better ...

              Quote: Llyric
              how should he shoot in order to get on a plane moving at an altitude of more than 10 thousand m?


              Take a close look, listen, or read media reports.
              Why do you think that the Boeing 777 was at an altitude of more than 10 thousand meters?

              And in order to avoid such disputes, it is necessary to clarify the type of combat aircraft (s) which (e) was exactly (were) in that area.
              Personally, in general, I don’t give a damn about how exactly the Malaysian Boeing 777 was shot down, the whole point is not here (because those who created it are sure in advance that they will come out of the water dry), but what consequences it brings this plane crash with the death of about 300 tons of people, more than half of which are EU citizens.
              But the fact that an attack aircraft can bring down a hefty airliner with its full-time cannon is a fact.
              And besides that you personally measured the speed and altitude at which the Boeing 777 went?
              I use in my arguments publicly available facts.
              1. Llirik
                Llirik 19 July 2014 12: 09 New
                0
                According to media reports, the Malaysian flight was supposed to go at an altitude of 10600 m, the optimal cruising altitude. According to the requirements of non-fall controllers, it descended to 500 m, give a link where the height of 8 thousand m is indicated. Not a single source of this was.
              2. Corsair
                Corsair 19 July 2014 12: 56 New
                0
                Quote: wanderer_032
                I don’t know, you know better ...

                That ...
          3. MAXUZZZ
            MAXUZZZ 19 July 2014 22: 26 New
            0
            On the R-95Sh (Su-25) engines there is no afterburner, respectively, and there is no afterburner mode, there is just the maximum, but this is in general the details
      2. Llirik
        Llirik 19 July 2014 10: 12 New
        +2
        Actually, the Su-25 has a practical ceiling of 7000 m, how is it to shoot to get on a plane moving at an altitude of more than 10 thousand m? And in case of a defeat from a cannon the plane doesn’t instantly fall apart, especially such a giant as the 777, so the crew would have managed to transmit a distress signal to the air, if of course the cab wasn’t blown up first, but what kind of sniper should it be? Although the aircraft is possible, but not Su-25 for sure.
        Su-27 could bring down, the question is: who in ... ruins has one in good condition?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 19 July 2014 10: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Llyric
          Su-27 could bring down, the question is: who in ... ruins has one in good condition?

          There are, and fly. And Mig29 e, too ...
      3. MAXUZZZ
        MAXUZZZ 19 July 2014 22: 23 New
        0
        SPPU-22 is too capricious thing from my own experience I’ll tell you to wedge the gun every other time, the stakes are too high to hope for it, IMHO
  11. evgenm55
    evgenm55 19 July 2014 07: 43 New
    +2
    Only constant ubiquitous attacks and counterattacks will turn the tide - the Bandera students, the truth is quite inferior to their masters - at first they fill everything and everyone with bombs and RS - then they try to stick forwards. Another Great Zhukov in 41 near Moscow set the task: by any means and constantly counterattack, exhaust.
  12. Grenz
    Grenz 19 July 2014 07: 48 New
    +5
    Polish artillery from Odessa will soon catch up and Strelkova really will not be sweet.
    And no matter how much they fart about the Boeing (supposedly not us and not the militias), the perpetrators have already been named.
    And shells on our territory will continue to fly. And Lavrov will strictly demand.
    And then we will lose and lose until we are driven into a corner at all like cubs. Crimea will be blocked from all sides - as a prospect for the next parade.
    Then they will accuse us of all sins and, after all sanctions, will create an international tribunal for Russia.
    This is how events will develop in response to our slurred policies.
    How does Israel have the will and determination to defend its interests?
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 19 July 2014 08: 01 New
      +3
      But why is Polish artillery worse than “ours”? How people on both sides died and will be so, well, only if zinc parcels “go” to Poland ...
      1. Grenz
        Grenz 19 July 2014 08: 31 New
        +2
        Bosk (1)
        This is just that “surprise” from Poroshenko - Polish artillery.
        It will strike at the maximum range from the territory beyond the control of the militias and without remorse (with great pleasure - to beat the Russians. The Poles scream with joy).
        Dill can not yet create a zone of complete defeat (nevertheless, there are some remnants of conscience), here the calico is different - paid (the US State Department) will get the result - a sea of ​​fire and scorched earth.
        So there is a difference.
        The involvement of a country within the NATO bloc in conflicts is already very serious.
        And at the expense of the Polish Zinc Boys, this is a very modest prospect, given our sensitive policy. Not how to realize it.
        1. Bosk
          Bosk 19 July 2014 09: 28 New
          +1
          And what is the advantage of the ultimate range in the absence of a solid and stable front ... again, with adjustments by ukrov, as I understand the situation is awful ... and the militias usually work in small groups ... Here the main command and control of troops, equipping with modern technology and supply -the management is there as it is, problems with supply will soon start if they have not already begun ... well, and modern equipment without the presence of the first two points will not change much ...
    2. cloud
      cloud 19 July 2014 09: 47 New
      +1
      grenz  explain please intelligible policy what is this? How to understand this, clear policy ...
      You write that Israel has the will and determination to defend its interests, but I do not like the fact that civilians are constantly bombing and dying there, and that this has been going on for years ... So what is a coherent policy?
      1. Grenz
        Grenz 19 July 2014 19: 01 New
        +3
        cloud
        Regarding a coherent policy.
        One example is already from our history.
        March 15, 1969, after a provocation on Damansky Island on March 2, the Chinese Again decided to break our border and provoked fire on our territory.
        But several volleys of Grad installations (the first combat use) along the island and the Chinese coast (along reserves and artillery batteries) immediately and for a long time discouraged the Chinese from provoking the Russians at the STATE BORDER.
        And everything was done within the framework of existing laws.
        So no one has repealed these laws. And according to them, the neighboring state does not have the right to have weapons of destruction reaching the border line on firing positions in the border zone.
        If such facts do occur, the neighboring state reserves the right to perceive this as a military threat, with subsequent proactive measures.
        The choice of measures is adequate to the threat.
        The result will be explained clearly and clearly, as well as intelligibly even for the most rabid revenge-seekers.
        1. cloud
          cloud 19 July 2014 21: 38 New
          +1
          thank you for the clarification. Yes, you are right, then in 1969 measures adequate to the threat were chosen. But in relation to Ukraine, it seems to me that it is not advisable to take measures adequate to the threat, because they will be slandered, everyone will be turned upside down and Russia will be presented as the aggressor who unleashed a war with a neighboring state and they will use this situation for their own purposes, in order to send foreign troops. Yes, Russia can show its power, but how will this affect the DNI? I suppose negatively. And therefore, I think it is advisable to apply not adequate measures to the threat, but diplomatic ones, although I share your feelings, but I suppress these feelings with my mind so as not to harm.
          1. Grenz
            Grenz 20 July 2014 23: 44 New
            0
            Cloud
            I’m not a sentimental person (and I’ve survived a lot), but when I saw the plot with the funeral of a kid who just celebrated his birthday and the torn corpses of his neighbors - you know, I don’t care what the fucking Europe thinks.
            They whine about the descendants of Aborigines, grass tracers, etc., who died in a plane crash. And not a word that dill killed a hundred times more people and continue to do so, cynically grinning at our VERY DECISIVE CONDEMNATIONS.
            If something went wrong - this is not politics, but a game of giveaways. Well, then you don’t need to rattle your arms, sit and wait for the thugs to come to your house.
            And they will come - Ukraine is only an excuse.
            1. cloud
              cloud 22 July 2014 13: 34 New
              0
              Grenz
              Yes, you’re right, this will happen, and the Bible says, but I hope this does not happen yet. We have militias, there are faithful and pure hearts on earth, which means there is hope that for the sake of them we will still have time to live, but only hope. Their victory is a mercy for all of humanity to live on.
              Let’s support PVV, because it is he who helps the DPR in everything, although it’s not so easy to help the divine troops, because it is he who greatly annoys the world community with Ukraine, who else worries about this, and his titanic work on changing the world order, which later on affect and even affect the oligarchs ...
              I don’t argue, the militias need to help everyone that they need and in the quantity they need. Yes, we must talk about this, but we must also say that 248 tanks were in Donetsk, and help did not come to Slavinsk. Civilians are dying, and who did not protect them?
  13. siberalt
    siberalt 19 July 2014 07: 51 New
    +1
    Hold on guys! You make a story. The people do not win. Dill out of breath. The Nazis will answer for everything!
  14. rassel0889
    rassel0889 19 July 2014 07: 54 New
    -2
    Scary photos, already the blood in my veins is getting cold ...
  15. Deff
    Deff 19 July 2014 08: 01 New
    +1
    Victory to you Igor Ivanovich, give you the Lord Strength!
  16. Deff
    Deff 19 July 2014 08: 02 New
    11
    Quote: grenz
    Polish artillery from Odessa will soon catch up and Strelkova really will not be sweet.

    Destruction of equipment on the march:
    The militia needs to equip / equip specialized mobile sabotage reconnaissance groups (3-5 people) to work specifically to destroy the RZSO (Grad, Smerch, Vulkan) armed with anti-tank systems, RPGs, radios, clock and magnetic mines, radio-based hands-free devices for synchronizing actions, night vision equipment that have decent enough transportation, preferably mini UAVs for reconnaissance. Covert mining (at night or under cover of the same form of a railway worker, road workers) is effective by mining with magnetic mines of equipment, or rolling stock (on stages), laying transmitters with GPS navigation, for subsequent processing by artillery or for processing from that captured aircraft - attack aircraft.

    Several synchronized groups can inflict a destructive blow on the enemy column and on the highway without leaving the green, with pre-prepared vehicles and escape routes.

    Such actions are more effective than “suppressing in response” with heavy weapons, artillery and MLRS. And it is much more profitable than the subsequent restoration of cities.
    Disarmament of the Ukrainian army itself. Since without such a highly effective mopping-up operation, the Ukrainian army will be forced to use manpower more often, which is a plus for total undermining of the morale of ukrovoinism!
    1. MAXUZZZ
      MAXUZZZ 19 July 2014 22: 35 New
      0
      I think Strelkov himself knows about it, and people are there with experience, everything seems to be limited by the lack of technical capabilities, these very mines, etc., etc., and of course in the present conditions it would be very useful
    2. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 19 July 2014 22: 39 New
      0
      so we boast that we have Special Operations Forces (troops whose tasks include protecting the interests of the country on any territory of the Earth, in any state). Judging by our "successes", the guys are sitting idle.
  17. sv68
    sv68 19 July 2014 08: 11 New
    +8
    this is a rehearsal of the defeat of our country, it was impossible to remain silent and not to help people with weapons and equipment. They decided to sit in the Kremlin, but in vain, we are now following
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 19 July 2014 08: 22 New
      +2
      The Germans also rehearsed in the 39-41st ... and Napoleon also trained for more than a year ..., shouting "Guard!" it’s still too early, but you can’t sit idle and judging by the fact that maneuvers and exercises are constantly being conducted in Russia, the situation does not stand still.
  18. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 19 July 2014 08: 30 New
    +4
    “Do not drive the wave” and there is no need to panic, otherwise your cries resemble “a fire in a brothel” - there is a lot of noise, but no order! Firstly, it has already been established that the stuffing about the Polish artillery is Fake UkroSMI and their Internet saboteurs, secondly, there is a systematic "reduction in the number of horses" on all fronts, and thirdly, Lavrov said what he had to say (it was not in vain that the observers were invited to our border), but will not come to their senses (after all, they gave them a "life buoy" speaking of the mistakes and illiteracy of the gunners), then there will be an answer! And one more important circumstance: the encirclement of the national bastards was practically completed and the next stage of the operation began — complete destruction and subsequent “cleansing” of the territory from those who failed to cross into Russian territory or surrender to the Militia!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 19 July 2014 09: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      And one more important circumstance: the encirclement of the national bastards was practically completed and the next stage of the operation began — complete destruction and subsequent “cleansing” of the territory from those who failed to cross into Russian territory or surrender to the Militia!

      Yes, but the "boiler" at this very moment (I hear the bursts of heavy shells), they are trying to unlock from the inside and from the outside ...

      The DPR army, which "drove in a wedge" and blocked the group of punishers, was actually entrenched in the STEPI, and without heavy weapons, which are disastrously small, but abundant in the junta, IS PROBLEMATIC ...
      Need help equipment and weapons.
    2. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 19 July 2014 22: 43 New
      0
      in response, it is necessary to use the Iskanders, in addition to the direct effect, also a live demonstration of the possibilities for both “potential” friends and real ones.
  19. nstarinsky
    nstarinsky 19 July 2014 08: 30 New
    +9
    From personal sources today I learned that living people flew in Boeing. There was a whole delegation on AIDS, which flew to some kind of congress. And here I am drawn to speculate strongly. I apologize in advance for this.
    If the plane was "driven" on board, where passengers were sitting, then, clear pepper, there should be instant depressurization. At an altitude of 10km this should mean - a complete lack of oxygen. I do not know how a dead body falling from such a height behaves, but I admit that this can explain the unusual state of the bodies of the dead. Another speculation is that in today's conditions, the door to the cockpit is always closed. Maybe the depressurization of the cabin does not mean depressurization of the cabin. And this, again, can explain the blood in the cockpit.
    But please remember - I am a physicist, not an expert on wrecks and dead bodies. To my reasoning, the price is a penny. Just wanted to share my thoughts.
    I am fighting about Boeing a lot here - in the West. But this does not give rise to any mitigation in relation to the junta. I wish the fighters success and good luck. The truth is with you! All innocent dead residents are very sorry. Like those who crashed in a Boeing. There is a war going on, and the public, accustomed to "shooting" on TV screens, can’t understand in any way that you can’t fly where the war is. This issue is not discussed at all in the West. Only after this disaster did they understand what they were dealing with. However, what am I talking about? They most likely will never understand. So they will stare at the death of others on TV ...
  20. adamas.k
    adamas.k 19 July 2014 08: 33 New
    +2
    The whole fucking west is mired in a lie - no one wants to listen to the truth. And only true heroes in a similar situation can prove their truth - true and unique and not delusional-fake. Here they really are-Glory!
  21. el.krokodil
    el.krokodil 19 July 2014 08: 36 New
    0
    it’s hard for the guys .. the civilians feel sorry .. the dill perked up the bitch .. one hell will not work for them .. GOD WILL NOT GIVE OUT! and the pig will not eat ..
  22. SHAKESPEARE
    SHAKESPEARE 19 July 2014 08: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: shishakova
    A downed plane was transporting corpses ?!
    People who were immediately at the scene of the tragedy can correctly assess a lot.
    Thank you Igor Ivanovich.
    Dear Igor Ivanovich! You win slowly, professionally and confidently!
    It cannot be otherwise.
    Further courage to you and smart military tactics. You are doing everything you can to save the world!
    God bless you.

    I agree with you, half were corpses who died from AIDS, then I think they calculated everything, a conspiracy against Russia and the militia, the handiwork of the CIA dill and maybe even Malaysians. Well, let’s see how the commission works, it’s good if Russia took part in all the commissions, on the exhumation of the corpses, when and what they died from, how the plane was shelled and why.
    1. 97110
      97110 19 July 2014 14: 19 New
      0
      Quote: SHEKSPIR
      on the exhumation of corpses,

      The wife offered her version to your attention. Those who stole the past B-777 saw what was stinking in the cabin. Changed to the next, old and smelly thrown. Now after about 4 months we will see somewhere in Beijing a B-777, full of dead speedologists. But neither dill nor pin dos have the technology of replacing an airplane in flight. So - aliens. For all the savagery of the version ... As a man, repeatedly married, he was convinced that his wife was usually right.
  23. Drunya
    Drunya 19 July 2014 08: 44 New
    +1
    anyone interested - GlavRadioOnline.
    I used to listen on a 3x programmer, then they disappeared, and now I found it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxF7fuKGzr4&list=PLC751CD5DAA828550
  24. Rigla
    Rigla 19 July 2014 08: 44 New
    +3
    1600 liquidated Bandera (replenishment of 16 "heavenly hundreds"!) And almost 5000 Bandera cripples! This is the result! hi Comrade Strelkov Thanks to you and your army from the people of Russia!
  25. boozer
    boozer 19 July 2014 08: 45 New
    +4
    I read the bulletins, already goosebumps - a large-scale WAR! Ukrofashi throw all their strength on the defenders of the Southeast! Southern boilers, surrounded by the forces of Bandera gangs, which are about 5000 bayonets, must be eliminated. If they manage to do this, this will be the turning point of the entire military company unleashed by the Kiev junta! And about Boeing, it seems to me that everything is much simpler, one does not need to be wise with corpses, Ukrainian warriors and businessmen have fallen from a fool ...
  26. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 19 July 2014 08: 48 New
    +3
    As I personally expected, the juntas increased pressure (they hope for help from outside, not otherwise).
    Now their main task is to take Lugansk and Donetsk to the boilers, cut them off from the sources of supply of everything and everything.
    The main lines of action of the Ukrainian groups, as I understood from the summary of Igor Ivanovich:
    1. On Lugansk from Kharkov on the line Svatovo-Starobelsk-Belovodsk in the direction of Pervomaisk-Slavyanoserbsk-Happiness-st. Lugansk and in general. Lugansk.
    2. On Lugansk from the north-west along the line Seversk-Konstantinovka in total. e.g. to Krasnodon and Sverdlovsk.
    3.On the Dimitrov-Mariupol line in the general direction to Donetsk.
    4.On the Slavyansk-Dimitrov line in the general direction to the Anthracite region south of Sverdlovsk.

    In addition, they are trying to push through the center, in order to dissect the militia into two isolated groups.
    They didn’t succeed with Donetsk, where they were thoroughly bogged down.
    Surely at this time they are trying to form a group for the release of the bag on the southern face of the Donetsk ledge. It is not for nothing that infa flashes about how in the western regions there is a strong mobilization under arms of everyone and everything, they row everyone indiscriminately.

    It’s alarming for Lugansk, there the juntaids are trying to crush everything they can, I think they want to take Lugansk first to then specifically click on Donetsk from the north, by delivering the main blow to the eastern edge (along the Lugansk-Krasnodon-Sverdlovsk line in the general direction of Dokuchaevsk-Volnovakha )
    Thus, they expect to tightly cut off New Russia from the Russian border and try to release their units from the southern bag. Reinforcements from Western women can be thrown to them within the next 3 days. (IMHO)
  27. azbukin77
    azbukin77 19 July 2014 08: 51 New
    +3
    According to the reports -GEST! I don’t understand why they beat the civilians? So many victims! WHY ????????? are these pedae ​​.. the Getzropaic are silent ???
  28. komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 19 July 2014 08: 55 New
    +5
    All shelling and bombing of the cities of Donbass will return as a boomerang to Kiev, Lviv and other fascist cities of ukrov.
  29. Dave36
    Dave36 19 July 2014 09: 02 New
    +4
    Alas, our veteran Alpha was right ... according to him, the war is only just beginning. Further it will be worse, because the end of the war is the birth of Novorosia, which in itself is destructive for ukrov and especially for NATO countries. In any case, the number beats the class ... See you soon
  30. RomanN
    RomanN 19 July 2014 09: 02 New
    +2
    I support the last comment. In the meantime, we are trying to finish off our economic leftovers with various decisions from our government nerds. I don’t understand, if they want positive changes within the country, then why do we need to work on an industry that is still working?
  31. mister2013
    mister2013 19 July 2014 09: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: kartalovkolya
    Something is wrong with this Boeing, a lot of things are unclear, and interestingly, even smoked ones speak very restrainedly about this! It looks like a provocation of a wider scale was being prepared and the Ukrainians shot it down a little earlier than needed, all the same 52 km. it is far from Russia to fasten our air defense! It seems that our FSB will find the answer to this ukro-Amer’s "trick", but there is no doubt that it’s their business (Parashenko, even before the plane burned down, began to scream about the militias and that the Russians were to blame, again "false start")! Well, the "allies" have chosen the United States in Ukraine, but with such friends, lackeys and enemies do not!


    Useless! Euronews watched today (even the commission of inquiry had not yet assembled) already authoritatively declared in full voice that Russia was to blame. This provocation is specially planned and we now urgently need a different course. And preferably two: one is OUR some political and economic, the other is the militia ....
    1. atalef
      atalef 19 July 2014 10: 21 New
      -14
      Quote: mister2013
      This provocation is specially planned.

      Why a provocation?
      You do not exclude the situation. that the militias just stupidly blasphemed? The fact that they have Buki is that they themselves advertised. that. that shot down the plane - the same. Yes, and in general they somehow failed a lot of them
      Now the question is, at one time Putin - asked them not to hold a referendum - did they do it?
      Now (perhaps I repeat in all the logic of things - it is possible. That they flunked the same plane) - and why should the Russian Federation suffer for this? But it will be so


      Quote: Mixail Baku
      If the Commander-in-Chief Strelkov speaks of an airplane with stale corpses, it means the Khan of New Russia.

      Yes . really. if this is his statement, then that he, that all of New Russia, is in trouble.
      because Once the USSR has already tried to prove. that there were no passengers in the downed Korean Boeing - only who would believe it
      Here and now - it looks the same so stupid and stupid that it looks more like a tantrum. Well, according to Strelkov, the Malaysians stuffed the plane with Dutch (and not only) corpses and set them up under ukrov rockets to accuse the militia?
      Who is that smoking?
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 19 July 2014 11: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Now (perhaps I repeat in all the logic of things - it is possible. That they flunked the same plane) - and why should the Russian Federation suffer for this? But it will be so
        H.atalefbut the state of Israel also suffers to some extent because of Jerusalem and the "occupied territories"? Aren't you ready to give them up?

        Why, then, the Russian Federation can not go to some, so to speak, "costs"?
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      3. 97110
        97110 19 July 2014 14: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        The fact that they have Buki is that they themselves advertised. that. that shot down the plane - the same. Yes, and in general they somehow failed a lot of them
        For your iron logic, even Buk is not needed. If you eat a herring, then it drinks water. If he drinks water, then he writes. If it is written, then there is n-a. And if p-a is, then fucks. Here many talk about the technical impossibility of using the notorious Buk militia to successfully shell the B-777. Most importantly, Ssaki said it’s Strelkov. Threw a rake and ... got.
  32. Ilya22558
    Ilya22558 19 July 2014 09: 10 New
    +3
    Well done Igor Ivanovich! He fights as bequeathed to A. Suvorov "They win not by number, but by skill."
  33. Dave36
    Dave36 19 July 2014 09: 15 New
    +1
    The world is not continuous, and no matter how Russia does not deny assistance to the Southeast, no one believes in it .. There will be more sanctions, more provocations, it will be more and more difficult for Putin ... hmm .. task.
    1. Pathfinder_II
      Pathfinder_II 19 July 2014 22: 53 New
      0
      For a long time it is necessary to act on the principle - "if you have been unreasonably blamed, come back and do it so that it is justified."
  34. cloud
    cloud 19 July 2014 09: 29 New
    +5
    Quote: Plamya77

    Plamya77
    No, they are not cloned, dear. They are forcibly mobilized, up to knocking out doors in the houses and twisting their hands. And if they peacefully hand the agenda personally, so as not to swing away. Ukraine gave the oath, gave, forward, beef. Otherwise, 8 years in prison as if from a bush, there are already precedents. And nevertheless, there are a lot of deserters and dodgers who are hiding. By the way, you can’t leave the cities by train and bus — they slow down on the blocks, put them on, see above.


    Wait! Doors are knocking out doors at the hut! Forcibly mobilize residents, twist their hands! Woe is what. But for those who have a hut not far off, this grief lasts more than one month, and what grief, they shouted, called for help, did not hear? I understand, unless you hear someone else’s grief when I hate ...
    1. Plamya77
      Plamya77 19 July 2014 15: 30 New
      +1
      I would like to hope that you didn’t mean me about "myhataskrai." For I live almost in the midst of events ... But sitting at the monitor somewhere in the middle lane or in Siberia is really easy to talk about when it does not concern you personally. And as for "moyahataskrai" -of course, in many ways you are right. Yet the Donbass 3/4 is sofa troops. Again, work, family, property, etc., the excuse is full of mouth. But now, when the Ukrainians began violent mob-many howled.
      1. cloud
        cloud 19 July 2014 23: 07 New
        +1
        Plamya77 I am near you, right behind the border strip. And I am very, everything is very concerned with whom the war is going on and between whom the war is going on and it is very sad that the war is between our people. And what is the difference between some of the others, only in one do they have honor and conscience (militias), while others do not. Why not have? Yes, because they ceased to be honest with themselves. God is the first man, and therefore you all men, was primarily charged with the responsibility to be responsible for everything that happens on earth, your land (to rule). And if men do not take this responsibility upon themselves, then others will dominate their land, family and property.
        Conclusion:
        And we don’t have to lie anymore
        What is difficult for us to understand.
        What thoughts and dreams
        In your soul, so are you.

        Plamya77 You are looking for an answer to what is happening, then you will find. I respect you.
        1. Plamya77
          Plamya77 20 July 2014 08: 36 New
          0
          For a long time, and, so far, unfortunately, to no avail ...
  35. miv110
    miv110 19 July 2014 09: 36 New
    +4
    Once again, I am convinced that the war in southeastern Ukraine has long gone beyond local. In essence, there is a world-wide war, we are all drawn into it anyway, and each of us can be at its epicenter at any moment. Tragedy with an airplane is an example of this. There are already many versions on this subject - from the most banal and obvious to the fantastic. And I won’t be surprised that we won’t know the intelligible truth. I give the link http://pravosudija.net on this topic. There is something to ponder.
  36. morprepud
    morprepud 19 July 2014 09: 37 New
    0

    grenz Today, 07:48 AM


    Polish artillery from Odessa will soon catch up and Strelkova really will not be sweet.
    And no matter how much they fart about the Boeing (supposedly not us and not the militias), the perpetrators have already been named.
    And shells on our territory will continue to fly. And Lavrov will strictly demand.
    And then we will lose and lose until we are driven into a corner at all like cubs. Crimea will be blocked from all sides - as a prospect for the next parade.
    - Your strategic plans are brilliant ... Well, get your bearings to Lavrov to Moscow, YES, by the way, do you often look at Psaki from the department ...?
    PS Sorry, I just asked.
  37. nik4422
    nik4422 19 July 2014 09: 40 New
    +1
    But was this Boeing hit?
  38. miv110
    miv110 19 July 2014 09: 53 New
    +1
    He was destroyed one way or another. Too many facts and coincidences for a banal disaster.
  39. Mixail Baku
    Mixail Baku 19 July 2014 10: 01 New
    -6
    If the Commander-in-Chief Strelkov speaks of an airplane with stale corpses, it means the Khan of New Russia.
    PS As for bloodless corpses: - guys, if you tear the body apart and throw it from 10 km high, then naturally it will be, to put it mildly, "not of the first freshness."
    1. azbukin77
      azbukin77 19 July 2014 22: 55 New
      0
      When depressurization of the cabin at an altitude of 10000t.m. blood boils and coagulates. Death is instant. And the cockpit is airtight, a capsule separate from the cabin, hence the blood in the cockpit, from hitting the ground.
  40. polk-66
    polk-66 19 July 2014 10: 10 New
    0
    Quote: y ℒiƒℯ
    Regarding the loss report, most likely a fake, because NG and BB are one and the same.

    While they distinguish them from NG, it’s entirely contracted from the "Svidomo" newly recruited, and BB conscripts, although now they all have been renamed to NG.
  41. sever.56
    sever.56 19 July 2014 10: 13 New
    +2
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/609/zxih289.jpg
  42. Freeway_ 3007
    Freeway_ 3007 19 July 2014 10: 14 New
    +2
    What kind of zamanuha is with a Boeing, are mattresses really preparing the input of "peacekeepers"? So they and NATO can enter, they do not get used
    1. World Cup 2014
      World Cup 2014 19 July 2014 10: 57 New
      +1
      The entry of NATO peacekeepers and Amerokos will not be, because in the case of the introduction of troops we will be untied and we will also send troops
  43. Rigla
    Rigla 19 July 2014 10: 31 New
    +4
    It is necessary to increase the information pressure on the citizens of Ukraine in order to explain to them that the eastern front is not fees, not working off, not walking, but their death. It is necessary to fully reduce the supply of banderarm recruits.
  44. cloud
    cloud 19 July 2014 10: 53 New
    +2
    sv68

    this is a rehearsal of the defeat of our country, it was impossible to remain silent and not to help people with weapons and equipment. They decided to sit in the Kremlin, but in vain, we are now following

    What did the Kremlin decide to sit out, this is from what source the message? the Kremlin told you or ... who?
    I live on the border and see how the Kremlin works and no one here doubts these actions and everyone understands that there is a tremendous work to protect people, by the way, including you. Doubt it? Do not doubt.
  45. provincial
    provincial 19 July 2014 11: 29 New
    0
    Remember the plane of the same company disappeared, maybe people from the missing plane were put in this plane shot down over Ukraine and solved two questions.
    1. Mixail Baku
      Mixail Baku 19 July 2014 11: 52 New
      +1
      Then why are the relatives of the passengers of the first plane and the relatives of the passengers of the second plane completely different people?
      1. provincial
        provincial 19 July 2014 12: 17 New
        +1
        Relatives, so far by the found passports, and not ....
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  47. Leonardo
    Leonardo 19 July 2014 13: 08 New
    +2
    Slav brothers from Lugansk and Donetsk ... KEEP. Anyway, that MOMENT of TRUTH will come when the whole WORLD understands that YOU are defending yourself without attacking anyone. They came to you with weapons calling you separatists, and those who came with weapons themselves do not want to recognize themselves as murderers of civilians, children and the elderly. The Ukrobander propaganda for the "dollyars" did its job and ... she has to reap the results of her propaganda in the form of: cargo of the 200s, general desertion (there are still adequate Ukrainian Slavs, not Uniates) from the ranks of the Armed Forces, wrecking on military equipment, not to mention the general decline-disintegration of the economy of Ukraine and its agriculture. Liquid-Bandera clique will soon come KAPUT.
  48. Nikolaychuk
    Nikolaychuk 19 July 2014 13: 19 New
    +1
    It is possible that certain people were dropped off. Or these people themselves were in the know and got off where they needed to, and the board flew further with corpses and with those who were supposed to die.
    It would be nice if our specialists took video from the airports where this board landed.
    There was blood on board. It’s quite possible that the pilots in the cockpit poured out and jumped out themselves. For this they shot down in the territory controlled by Ukraine, and the plane crashed into the DPR. It is possible that after this the pilots landed where they were waiting.
  49. Deff
    Deff 19 July 2014 15: 01 New
    +3
    Bulletins from Strelkova Igor Ivanovich
    19.07.2014 11: 01 (Moscow time) Comments from I. I. Strelkov

    "Bravura messages ... how they got it!" The militia wins !!! "... yeah ... two times ... One to one is repeated (but on a much larger scale) the situation with Slavyansk is the enemy, advancing step by step , "cuts" our communications, and on "Twitter" it sounds "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise!".
    Yesterday, the enemy cut the last main highway connecting Donetsk with Lugansk and, accordingly, with Russia. The enemy strongholds are now located in the villages of Beloye and Veselaya Tarasovka. Now the Ukrainians are hastily burying dozens of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles in the ground to exclude the possibility of a breakthrough in defense.
    Now it will begin again in the comments on all resources: "Igor Ivanitch was sad" with a hint that everything is "not so bad." Everything is very bad !!! Tactical victories in minor sectors cannot change the strategic environment and the results of strategic defeats! And the surrender of the White and Merry Tarasovka is on our scale precisely a strategic defeat!
    Now we are cut off from the border - that is, from any supply.
    At night, the enemy passed through the Thin to the Donetsk airport, creating a network of strong points, each of which is protected by 5-7 tanks.
    Just three "drying" bombed on the Saur grave with heavy bombs. The results are not yet known. "Boeing" is used ukraine "to the fullest" ... Aviation ukrov dominates the sky with complete impunity.
    In the area of ​​Grigorovka, the militia struck the enemy column. We’ll clarify the results. "

    - Comrade Minister of Defense, is it time to announce a general mobilization?

    I. I.: “And do you personally allocate automatic machines, uniforms, boots, vehicles, money and food and a thousand other necessary things? Then I’m ready to announce in an hour ... We have nothing to equip volunteers with, and you’ll -y-for-tion! "
  50. Rivares
    Rivares 19 July 2014 17: 13 New
    0
    By the way, is the GDP from BRICS not on the same route as the downed Boeing was returning?