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Nobody wanted to fight“Russia has declared war, the occupation of the Crimea has begun,” the former de facto head of the Ukrainian state Oleksandr Turchynov said recently. At the same time, Moscow stresses that it does not want any military conflict with the neighboring country. Why Kiev, despite the loud statements about the "Russian aggression", does not declare war on Russia, the newspaper VIEW has been sorted out.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavel Klimkin said in an interview with CNN television on Thursday that he “does not expect a war with Russia.” Interview recording posted on the website of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry. According to the minister, the leadership of Ukraine has a clear understanding of the ways to de-escalation.

“It’s not a shame to lose to such a powerful adversary as Russia. And when you lose to your own people, it is a disaster. ”

“First of all, I do not believe in the emergence of war directly with Russia, because, after all, Russia should be interested in a stable Ukraine,” said Klimkin. According to him, "at the moment, there is an intentional destabilization of the situation in Donetsk and Lugansk," and the Ukrainian side needs to effectively take control of the border. "
According to the Foreign Minister of Ukraine, Kiev "has a clear understanding of how to achieve a de-escalation of the situation, how to defuse it and how to solve political problems."

Moscow seemed to answer Klimkin in absentia. It is unprofitable for Russia to fight the fraternal people of Ukraine, Security Council Deputy Secretary Yevgeny Lukyanov said on Thursday at a meeting in Moscow with a delegation of non-governmental organizations and US funds.

He stressed that the priority is to achieve a peaceful solution, reports RIA "News". “We are not profitable war in Ukraine. These are our borders, our relationship, economic ties. This is a big problem for us, and we see no other solution besides the political one, ”said Lukyanov.

With his speech, Klimkin essentially fulfilled the instructions of the President of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, who had previously ordered the Foreign Ministry to respond to the alleged incidents of shelling from the territory of Russia. Recall, as a “proof” of the shelling, Ukrainian media cite a video of allegedly “Grada” from Gukovo shelling Ukrainian territory.

In addition, the State Border Service of Ukraine said that Russian armored vehicles on Wednesday violated the state border near Amvrosiyivka and fired on Ukrainian security forces. Also on Thursday, a representative of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Andrey Lysenko, said that on Wednesday a Russian military plane shot down a Ukrainian attack aircraft Su-25.

Valery Chaly, the deputy head of the Poroshenko administration, confessed the day before that his patron was considering the possibility of breaking diplomatic relations with Russia: “The Ukrainian authorities are studying this possibility, in particular, the results of such a step,” he said, but immediately made a reservation: “There are other methods than the gap diplomatic relations ... We do not refuse the format of Normandy, where the president of Russia is in the negotiation process. ”



Since spring, Kiev has regularly accused Moscow of “occupying the Crimea” and “aggression” in the Donbas. As the newspaper VIEW, noted in the Ukrainian press, the old American term “hybrid war” is used, coined at a different time and for a completely different reason. The SBU, for example, has repeatedly declared the capture of Russian saboteurs.

Thus, under the heading "The exhibition opened in Kiev weapons“Russia supplies the terrorists” last weekend, the Kiev edition of “New Region” reported: “The peculiarity of the exhibition is that all armaments were supplied by the Russian Federation to help terrorists from Donetsk and Lugansk“ people's republics ”, the newspaper asserts. citing no evidence for a version of the Russian origin of the weapon.

"The gap of diplomatic relations is not far off"

At the end of June, the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada, the former acting head. President of Ukraine Alexander Turchinov made an unexpected confession. According to him, in early spring and until recently, Kiev seriously feared an invasion from the east. “Approximately on 10 once a month our special services reported that the time of the military attack from the Russian Federation was determined - it was usually in the morning in 3 – 4. And we sat in combat readiness at the command post ... And the remnants of the army were preparing for war with the eastern neighbor. But it didn’t happen, ”Turchinov told the New Time of the Country magazine.

“Russia declared war, the occupation of the Crimea began. The Russians chose a good time, ”said Turchinov. At the same time, the former de facto head of state did not explain why, in response, he did not declare a state of war if, according to him, Russia had already declared war.

In general, according to Kiev, the “casus belli” (the formal reason for declaring war) happened more than a dozen times, however, Kiev, however, not only did not declare war to the neighboring republic, but even diligently maintains diplomatic relations with it, The president of “aggression and occupation” of Ukraine regularly communicates by telephone with his Russian counterpart. Like the foreign ministers of the two countries.

Even the party members of Turchinov from the ruling coalition in the parliament are not ready to repeat his words that Ukraine is already at war with Russia. “I would not say that open military actions are being conducted. I would refrain from such an assessment, ”confessed the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada from the Batkivshchyna party, Dmitry Andrievsky, to the VIEW newspaper.

At the same time, the interlocutor believes that "Ukraine today has undergone aggression, and, unfortunately, Russia inspires and aggravates this aggression." According to Andrievsky, the statement of Speaker Turchinov "concerned those obviously unfriendly actions that Ukraine sees from the Russian side." “But it’s definitely not a matter of declaring war on Russia today, of course,” the Ukrainian parliamentarian reiterated.

“The point is that the Russian authorities support terrorist organizations formed on the territory of Ukraine,” continues Andrievsky. “I believe that an open, full-scale war can be avoided; everything must be done to prevent a full-scale war between Russia and Ukraine, since no one is interested in the war in Central Europe, and the Ukrainians are absolutely certain.”

Even more radical representatives of the ruling coalition, for example, from the nationalist party Svoboda, headed by Oleg Tyagnibok, evaded the direct question of why Kiev has not only not declared a state of war, but has not even severed diplomatic relations.

“We have long been urging the authorities to break off diplomatic relations with Russia. Personally, I suggested that the authorities break off diplomatic relations with Russia in February. He spoke from the rostrum of the Verkhovna Rada with an official statement, called on the Ukrainian government to take this important step for the country. After all, Russia, though it did not declare war on Ukraine, but it has been leading it for a long time. Russia has long sent weapons to the separatists, their mercenaries-terrorists. Now Russia is shelling the territory of Ukraine from its positions, ”Igor Miroshnichenko, deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine from Svoboda, told the newspaper VIEW. Obviously, he was referring to reports spread by the Ukrainian press that Russian Grads allegedly fired at Ukraine in the Gukovo checkpoint.

“Why has the government still not listened to our call? - rhetorically asks colleague Oleg Pyagnibok. - Because in the current Ukrainian government sit not nationalists, and liberals. We are dissatisfied with the activities of the current President and the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry. " However, the deputy hopes that "the announcement of protest notes by Ukraine and the rupture of diplomatic relations with Russia are not far off."

Recall, Igor Miroshnichenko became widely known after beating in mid-March the head of the National Television Company of Ukraine, Alexander Panteleimonov, for broadcasting the signing of an agreement on joining the Crimea to Russia and a festive concert in Moscow. The beating passed right in the office of the head of the TV channel. The deputy was not punished for this.

Only this week in Kiev they announced that An-26 near Lugansk was shot down "from Russian territory", and the Donetsk city of Snezhnoye had allegedly bombed a Russian plane the day before. However, Kiev could not provide any evidence on any of the listed charges.

"Parliament is unlikely to vote for this"

Deputies of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine from the opposition are confident that the idea of ​​a real war against Russia will not find support either in parliament or in society.

“With the official claims of Kiev against Moscow, I can only agree in part, perhaps, on 10 – 15%. I have enough claims to the current government, starting with what happened on the Maidan. I am in opposition. The National Guard is bombing, civilians are dying ... But as a resident of Donetsk, I have complaints about Russian border guards, ”Nikolai Levchenko, deputy of the Party of Regions, told the VZGLYAD newspaper.

In addition, “there is a propaganda information war, this is a fact. She has not been announced, but she has begun. Both Russia and Ukraine lead it against each other, ”the deputy stressed.

The information war does not turn into a real military clash, because “Russia is the second largest army in the world, a nuclear weapon ...” noted Levchenko. - In addition, of course, it will not find full support in society. And the parliament is unlikely to vote for it, there are different parties with different views. In order to make such a decision, we must come to some general package of claims, at least, according to the majority. And there are a lot of disagreements. ”

“It is necessary for both parties to come to their senses and remember that we are even more than just fraternal peoples,” Levchenko called. He recalled that even during the Great Patriotic War, people in echelons were sent from west to east, from east to west, and there was a "strong confusion" of peoples - Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians. “The Soviet Union is such a boiler in which everything melted together,” the deputy reminded. He added that he would now do everything to ensure that relations between the countries returned to normal.

Information war instead of traditional

The paradox of the situation is that Kiev combines Kiev with aggression, occupation and “hybrid war” accusations with the continuation of negotiations with Moscow, and the president of “aggression-prone” Ukraine quietly continues to communicate with his Russian counterpart. Between the two countries, the transport communication and trade turnover is maintained, although, of course, on a smaller scale than before.

Experts believe that Kiev has not yet declared war, and moreover, it has not even severed diplomatic relations with Moscow, since he himself does not believe in his own statements. “The accusations are usually heard from the heads of the public, in any case they are not official statements, they are elements of the information war, they don’t have to be surprised,” Mikhail Pogrebinsky, director of the Kiev Center for Political Studies and Conflictology, told the VIEW newspaper.

In Ukraine, politicians themselves are well aware that these accusations are inadequate, Pogrebinsky recalled. “For example, that allegedly planes from Russia shot at Snezhniy. It is clear to any sane person that with modern location capabilities, all the more so now American satellites are closely watching this, if these statements were true, the Americans would already have 100% proof and they would provide them to Ukraine. However, there is nothing like that, the expert stressed. “Consequently, this is nothing more than an information war, and serious people are well aware that this is not true.”

The decision to break off diplomatic relations is made, “when in any negotiations it is impossible to reach any compromises. So far, the Ukrainian government does not think so, ”the political scientist added.

The fact that Ukraine does not even think of declaring war on Russia is also self-evident for the interlocutor: “And what’s the point of declaring war to lose ?! Clearly, this is impossible, ”he exclaimed.

Poroshenko left "business interests in Russia"

Therefore, the conflict remains unfounded. “The Ukrainian leadership does not have a clear plan how to get out of this difficult situation. It does not feel free to make decisions because of the tremendous pressure of the war party and the pressure of the United States Department of State. This puts Poroshenko and his team in conditions where they cannot think anything further than one step further. Hence, this is the absolute absence of strategy and unrealistic tasks with the hope that we will understand a bit later, ”Pogrebinsky summarized.

“The war against Russia is similar to death for Ukraine,” Vadim Trukhachev, a Slavic historian and lecturer at the RSUH, told the newspaper VIEW. “Even if the West will stand up for Ukraine, then as a result of the war with Russia, nothing will remain of Ukraine. In addition, the anti-Russian hysteria in Kiev is nothing more than hysteria, the expert believes. - One thing is to write loud messages on Facebook, as Arsen Avakov does, and another thing is general mobilization, when you need to pick up a weapon and go kill. Open war in Kiev are afraid. The majority of Ukrainian citizens, despite all the anti-Russian hysteria that prevails in Ukrainian social networks, do not want a war against Russia either.

Trukhachev added that we should not forget that Petro Poroshenko also had “business interests in Russia”: “Poroshenko is too practical a person to lose super-profits at the price of a break with Russia. In this regard, Petro Poroshenko is not alone. Dmitry Firtash, Sergey Taruta and others have business ties with Russia. They have survived even in Igor Kolomoisky, ”the interlocutor concluded.

“I’m ashamed to lose to my own people”

“Conversations about the severing of diplomatic relations in Kiev periodically arise,” Kirill Koktysh, an associate professor at the Political Theory Department at MGIMO, told the newspaper VIEW. “Another thing is that breaking the relations with Moscow will not help the case and will only narrow the arsenal of usable political tools.”

Accusations against Russia, according to Koktysh, first of all, have a purely internal political functionality. “It is vitally important for Kiev to explain that it is at war with Russia, and not with its own population. If Kiev constantly blames Russia, it will be easy for him to justify the cruelty and lack of success of their military operations in the South-East. It seems to be not a shame to lose to such a powerful adversary as Russia. And when you lose to your own people, it is a disaster, ”the expert emphasized.

Koktysh added that Kiev would use the indictment resource against Russia as much as possible. “But if it comes to a real break in diplomatic relations, it will only be worse for Kiev. Ukraine currently has extremely low energy supply for the coming winter. 20% of the required volume is obtained for coal, 25% for gas, and atomic energy - the same 20 – 25%. This is called a programmable energy collapse. Against the backdrop of this humanitarian catastrophe, breaking relations with Russia is insane, ”the political analyst believes.
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  1. +6
    19 July 2014 14: 41
    Shavka gosdepovskoy said face ch.M.o ...
    1. +8
      19 July 2014 15: 10
      "We were attacked by Russia", "In the east we are fighting with Russia" and all the other cries of both ordinary Ukrainians and hohlofascists, and the ruling elite, this must be understood as a new national idea that allows you not to do a damn thing and all your devastation, and in in all senses, both in the heads and in the economy, to blame the Russians on us, or as they put it MOS ... lei. As they say, a flag in hand, a drum on the neck, a train to a meeting.
      1. Fuse
        +9
        19 July 2014 15: 20
        Of course, such a "new national idea" may have a sufficient number of admirers in Ukraine, but these admirers are in no hurry to march into the trenches in the Donbass. Paying for gorlopanov, as always, cannon fodder
        1. +2
          19 July 2014 16: 26
          Quote: Fuse
          campaign these fans are not in a hurry in the trenches in the Donbass. Paying for gorlopans, as always, cannon fodder


          They are fools, but not the same. They prefer to love their homeland sitting at a computer.
          1. +11
            19 July 2014 17: 16
            Top level negotiations
            1. +22
              19 July 2014 17: 19
              The junta is already failing memory and this is just the beginning
        2. 0
          19 July 2014 22: 30
          As I understand it, the representatives of the so-called army of Ukraine? Yes, the weather and the situation are not very (even if the photo is not fresh, not summer). I mean, they won’t have gas soon and that’s how it will go.
          Yes, in Ukraine there are no such frosts as in Russia (here in one article there was a conversation about frosts), but honestly for me it is better to have clear snow in winter with frost than slush, dampness and stink. Here ukroarmiya not last long so that winter will put everything in its place!
    2. +6
      19 July 2014 16: 17
      Washington will order a declaration of war, and the junta will declare that it will not go anywhere. They are puppets.
    3. +19
      19 July 2014 22: 40
      Do you swear on Russia for the fact that it is silent today, does not go to the aid of the Russian brothers? What did you want? Consider that there are no “just Russians” left in Russia. They were all killed when you, the Russian Ukrainians, were silent. Only the Russians remained. And now, when they have come to kill you, there is no one else to stand up for you.

      Dear Russian Ukraine, why don’t you take weapons - and if you don’t have weapons, then at least a shovel, at least a Molotov cocktail, at least cars filled with explosives - and you don’t go into battle, so that every inch of the earth burns under the feet of the Nazis, so that at least with your teeth , of the last forces, reach the throat of the punisher?

      Yes, I know your answer. You have families, you are not all heroes, you want to live, you do not want to die. But - think about it, right? - we are not all heroes either. We also have families. We also want to live. And we don't want to die for you. Do we want too much? Is it more than you want? Justifying for your many years of inactivity, you appeal to understanding - you understand us too. I don’t say “sorry”: I know that for you, residents of Ukraine, Russia is always to blame for everything - we are already used to living without your forgiveness.

      But remember one thing, you, who remembered the duty of the Russian world only at gunpoint. In Chechnya, in Moscow, in Buinaksk, in Volgodonsk, in Beslan, in South Ossetia - we were dying alone. For themselves. You didn’t want to die for us. They didn’t even think. You were in Ukraine, and you didn’t care that somewhere in Russia, Russians were dying.

      And now we owe you nothing.
      1. 0
        20 July 2014 23: 02
        You are absolutely right, I think about it all the time. On TV, healthy men in New Russia are shown who go to work, sit in the basements and leave for Russia. Wait until the Ukrainian army comes and sends for slaughter.
    4. +3
      20 July 2014 01: 22
      but what did they say to ours? - why on TV they stopped talking about debts for gas. Why is there no decision to ban transfers to Ukraine or to impose a tax on these transfers for all migrant workers from Ukraine, that with the assets of this freak, the president’s petition - they froze or not, which our president is silent - because he said that if we see that there is a threat to life for ordinary people, that's all - and, what - where are the actions?
    5. 0
      20 July 2014 23: 45
      Turchinov guboshlep simple, it is surprising when such people even temporarily hold such posts in the state.
  2. +6
    19 July 2014 14: 43
    It looks like the game "Va Bank" is the only thing left to do for Junta
    1. 0
      19 July 2014 17: 16
      As if "playing Va Bank" in Ukrops would not lead to more dire consequences for Russia and the West!
  3. +5
    19 July 2014 14: 45
    Yes, the country of dill begins to wither closer to autumn.
  4. Stypor23
    +8
    19 July 2014 14: 46
    Ukraine currently has an extremely low energy supply for the coming winter

    Let's see how Europe will abandon its lol
    1. +3
      19 July 2014 15: 06
      Throw through ....!
      1. Stypor23
        +3
        19 July 2014 15: 11
        Quote: sever.56
        Throw through ....!

        ... in Vyatka!
        1. +2
          19 July 2014 15: 14
          That's for sure!
  5. +5
    19 July 2014 14: 47
    Quote: mig31
    Shavka gosdepovskoy said face ch.M.o ...

    Lies covered the globe
    The root of lies across the ocean
    They threaten everyone with war
    Both large and small countries.
  6. Oleg amos
    +2
    19 July 2014 14: 48
    Oh, if our people go in there, and before showing the shots of the atrocities of the junta, I’m afraid of a piece of waste called Ukraine, nothing will remain.
    1. +4
      19 July 2014 17: 16
      Quote: Oleg Amos
      and before that show frames of atrocities of the junta

      and to whom to show, blind geyrop? useless
  7. +7
    19 July 2014 14: 51
    Petya Parasha, as Borka Yeltsin had, has recently had swollen erysipelas and clearly visible shadows under the eyes - a paskudnik is obviously drinking heavily.
    1. Fox
      +3
      19 July 2014 15: 26
      don’t ... don’t drink ... rather, it eats candy with cognac. a lot.
    2. +1
      19 July 2014 16: 27
      Quote: Truth
      Petya Parasha, as Borka Yeltsin had, has recently had swollen erysipelas and clearly visible shadows under the eyes - a paskudnik is obviously drinking heavily.


      Yes, they write that he drinks heavily. He understands that he’s going to the abyss, but he’s not able to turn ...
      1. +4
        19 July 2014 17: 18
        Quote: mamont5
        Yes, they write that he drinks heavily. He understands that he’s going to the abyss, but he’s not able to turn ...

        dizziness from success laughing
  8. +6
    19 July 2014 14: 51
    “There is a clear understanding of how to de-escalate the situation, how to defuse it, and how to solve political problems.”

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/423/tvbz819.jpg
  9. +4
    19 July 2014 14: 53
    Quote: Stypor23
    Let's see how Europe will abandon its

    Already left, they now have enough of their hemorrhoids.
    1. Stypor23
      +2
      19 July 2014 15: 00
      Quote: Truth
      Already left, they now have enough of their hemorrhoids.

      And I, in garlic, say, po, I’m gonna blame it. Thank God the citizens of Russia are smarter, and the Ukro-Europeans let them jump warm up.
  10. +1
    19 July 2014 14: 54
    According to experts, Kiev still has not declared war, and moreover, has not even broken diplomatic relations with Moscow, since he himself does not believe in his own statements.
    Their own people are asking about this, but there is no answer ...
  11. avt
    +9
    19 July 2014 14: 54
    “It is vital for Kiev to explain that it is at war with Russia, and not with its own population. If Kiev constantly blames Russia, it will be easy for him to justify the crumpled and unsuccessful nature of its military operations in the Southeast. Losing to such a powerful adversary as Russia, it seems, is not a shame. And when you lose to your own people, it’s a disaster, ”the expert emphasized .-------- Well, in general, yes, a good opinion. But vague doubts torment me! But have they not gathered closer to the fall, will declare war on Russia and surrender, that would not work AT ALL !! ??? ... la! Feed them the whole country in compliance with the Hague Convention! Their dream of a freebie will come true one hundred percent. And what do we feel about this flock of banderlogs ??bully
    1. 0
      19 July 2014 22: 29
      Something among Ukrainian politicians is some kind of inconsistency in actions. One shouts: "Russia declared war, the occupation of Crimea began," another immediately declares: "... I do not believe in the outbreak of war directly with Russia ...".
      And here’s the joke in the subject:
      - Monya, I don’t understand at all for our Ukraine ... They all repeat mine, we are fighting against Russia!
      - And sho?
      - So far, the results of the Ukrainian-Russian war are disappointing. Losses of Ukraine: 7 tanks, 1 self-propelled howitzer, 10 armored vehicles, 1 helicopter and 1 aircraft. More than 2 million people were captured ... And what do you think? ... The Russian army has not yet come to war!
  12. pg4
    +2
    19 July 2014 14: 55
    latest news
  13. +15
    19 July 2014 14: 57
    "The announcement by Ukraine of a note of protest and the severance of diplomatic relations with Russia is just around the corner."
    1. +2
      19 July 2014 15: 04
      And where to put then 5000000 workers in the Russian Federation — to throw them home?
      1. +4
        19 July 2014 17: 22
        Quote: laogun
        And where to put then 5000000 workers in the Russian Federation — to throw them home?

        well then kirdyk will come to them even faster. so many people the junta will not feed
      2. +2
        19 July 2014 18: 10
        Why not? if Ukraine nevertheless starts a real war with Russia, then Ukrainians will be subjected to internment, in accordance with international laws.
    2. AVV
      0
      19 July 2014 23: 41
      We are waiting for the Winter, then Santa Claus will decide everything in Ukraine, and the People themselves will throw off this gos.depovskuyu gang !!! And they will lead, as once the Germans were carried out on Red Square, then Poroshenko with his brother, they will lead along the main square of Donetsk !!! Yes these times will come when the people will be able to run cobblestones at these ur.odam !!!
  14. +2
    19 July 2014 14: 57
    It is time to adopt an international convention on the prohibition of information wars = weapons of mass destruction of consciousness.
    With a shocked consciousness - sapies is no longer homo.
    And for the unleashing of such wars, as well as for "stuffing" - to judge by an international tribunal ... In liberated Kiev.
    1. +6
      19 July 2014 17: 33
      You are right, with a shocked consciousness - sapiens is no longer homo, but Homo Psakiens.
  15. +3
    19 July 2014 15: 02
    And also on the Outskirts this year, NOTHING was sown - what will they eat in the winter?
    1. Svarog75
      +2
      19 July 2014 15: 43
      Nuland will bring cookies and the State Department will throw dry packs
    2. +4
      19 July 2014 17: 24
      Quote: laogun
      And also on the outskirts this year did not sow ANYTHING

      but the right-wing cutters were intensively fertilizing
    3. 0
      20 July 2014 01: 07
      Quote: laogun
      And also on the Outskirts this year, NOTHING was sown - what will they eat in the winter?

      argue!
      As of July 18, in Ukraine with an area of ​​5,136 million hectares, which is 52% of the plan excluding Crimea, 16,111 million tons of early grains and legumes were harvested with an average yield of 31,4 centner / ha. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Agrarian Policy and Food of Ukraine.
      According to the agency, as of July 18, 2013, 7,067 million tons of grain were harvested from an area of ​​20,632 million ha with an average yield of 29,2 t / ha.
      In particular, winter wheat was harvested from an area of ​​3,216 million ha. With a yield of 33,8 c / ha, the gross grain harvest amounted to 10,87 million tons
      Winter barley is harvested from an area of ​​1,793 million ha. By the reporting date, 4,965 million tons of grain were threshed, yield - 27,7 t / ha.
      Rye is harvested from an area of ​​12 thousand hectares. Gross harvest amounted to 27 thousand tons of grain with a yield of 22,4 c / ha.
      Oats removed from an area of ​​8 thousand hectares. With a yield of 17,1 kg / ha, 13,6 thousand tons of grain were harvested.
      235 thousand tons of peas were also threshed with a yield of 22 c / ha. Threshed 107 thousand ha of legumes.
      In addition, with an average yield of 21,6 kg / ha from an area of ​​596 thousand ha, 1286 thousand tons of winter rape were harvested.
      While harvested winter, spring ahead. This year a record export of grain ..
      Well, I would not want to compare but 18 million tons at the moment, for example, RB-In Belarus 268,8 thousand tons of grain were harvested for the same period. Although the Republic of Belarus and the population are few and the soil is not Ukrainian.
      So far, it’s only bad that the yield for chernozem is small.
      In Russia, 25 million tons of grain of a new crop are harvested. Too many. I understand that the Ukrainian harvest can in no way be higher than the Russian one (the areas are not comparable), but you need to strive.
      Used
      http://www.apk-inform.com/ru/news
      Arguments - NOTHING sown / not collected please show - slander since spring!
      1. 0
        20 July 2014 01: 54
        mmm ... winter crops were sown last fall.
        and on one bread / kvass / oatmeal it’s somehow very boring to live.
        progressive inflation has already gobbled up all the revenues from the new crop (and grain trade is an essential item in the Ukrainian budget) and now they have a choice: to sell or save, because next year this crop may not happen already.

        from the fact that a loaf of bread is now twice as expensive (and even more for a fresh crop, because fuel and lubricants have risen in price) it will not become more accessible for the population
        1. 0
          21 July 2014 01: 55
          Quote: iwakura
          mmm ... winter crops were sown last fall.
          and on one bread / kvass / oatmeal it’s somehow very boring to live.
          progressive inflation has already gobbled up all the revenues from the new crop (and grain trade is an essential item in the Ukrainian budget) and now they have a choice: to sell or save, because next year this crop may not happen already.
          from the fact that a loaf of bread is now twice as expensive (and even more for a fresh crop, because fuel and lubricants have risen in price) it will not become more accessible for the population

          Well, let's disassemble.
          Firstly, the winter crop is enough to head for Ukraine itself (given that the stocks of last year’s very rich harvest were not sold
          Secondly, there are more spring crops in Ukraine than winter crops. Our winter is not snowy .. So spring is 2/3 of the main crop (an average of 40 million tons)
          On a loaf of bread - yes, it has risen in price from 4 UAH 70 kopecks to 5 UAH 35 kopecks. The difference is 65 kopecks. It’s not even twice! Although maybe you are not aware of the price of a loaf in Ukraine.
          for example, Pereyaslavsky 4 UAH (was 3 UAH 80) is rye.
          Although bread is probably subsidized (although it has always been like that)
          There is a social one.
          As for fuels and lubricants, the dollar has slowly leveled off and fuels and lubricants have been 12-13 before the coup 15-16. The same 30%.
          Well, all products dependent on fuels and lubricants rose to 30%. Someone more, someone less (there are categories that have not risen in price at all)
          Wait a dollar more than you buy before raising. So selling for them is even more profitable than before. By the way, for rubles it is even more profitable (there is a pleasant rate)
          And yet, argue that there will not be a spring crop in Ukraine (although it is lower than last year due to the heat) - or do you think on the basis of the TV that the farmers were dancing and the fields themselves sown and spike?

          photo of May 12, 2014- the sowing of sunflower seeds was carried out in the fields in the Zaporizhzhya region.
          It will be necessary, I will show a photo of already harvested fields near Odessa (in the next post).
          But most of the fields in the Vinnitsa and Poltava regions (2 nurse of the Ukrainian agro-industrial complex) are central regions and were not seen in any actions against the crop.
          1. 0
            21 July 2014 02: 01
            Fields of the Selection Institute (Odessa, opposite the Metro and Epicenter)

            Photo June 22, 2014
            To date, it has already been removed (the tractor was already removed in the photo)
  16. +2
    19 July 2014 15: 03
    There are no sane and independent people in the power of Dill. Either long-standing agents of the Western special services, or finished morons with certificates from psychiatrists.
  17. MSA
    MSA
    +1
    19 July 2014 15: 07
    They made porridge, now they don’t know what to do.
  18. +4
    19 July 2014 15: 07
    Well, they may not want a full-scale war with the occupation of Kuev, but they provoke the entry of troops into the Donbass by all means. Tk of all these exhibitions and thousands of Russian spies shown in Ukrainian, there are enough dill, but for the west it doesn’t roll, because we will break all these docks in half an hour. Therefore, dill needs at least one real shelling from our side. And it is better to send troops or peacekeepers to the Donbass. Since it’s already in ruin, there’s nothing to restore Ukraine, they don’t need 6 million people who hate Kiev, but they don’t need money from the West, which they will definitely give to the war against the Russian Federation. Again, this is an opportunity to stifle all internal discontent - what other pensions, social benefits, prices - you see, we are at war with the Russian Federation or are you an agent of the FSB? And finally, the dill government is completely puppet, and if the Americans say to fight, then the dill will fight.
  19. +2
    19 July 2014 15: 07
    The attacks from Ukraine towards Russia are simply ridiculous, especially the "Warlike statements" about the parade in Crimea.
    It reminds of the saying "Hold me seven !!!"
    At the beginning of REAL hostilities, the war will last even less than in Georgia. The remnants of the "army" will scatter to the huts faster than the "singers" of the "Saakashvelists". So even though their instructors PREPARED for a "small victorious war", but these only learned to "ride".
  20. +5
    19 July 2014 15: 12
    Quote
    ... Against the backdrop of this humanitarian catastrophe, breaking relations with Russia is crazy. ”

    Severing relations with Russia is madness. And the daily streams of lies to Russia, and the shelling of Russian territory, and the destruction of Russians and Russian-speaking in the east of Ukraine. As soon as he was captured, he immediately remembers that we are "brothers", that he did not want to fight - he was forced to do it.
    The crest, as always, wants to eat the fish and ...... But on the cunning railroad station, there will always be x .. with a screw.
    Download higher and further maidanutye.
  21. mihasik
    +5
    19 July 2014 15: 17
    I don’t understand what the video "Grad in Gukovo" has to do with it?
    First: Gukovo on the border with Ukraine. And "Grad" could shoot from the territory of Ukraine, which is clearly visible.
    Secondly: There is no reference to the terrain and a lot of fragments in the form of a landfill confuse (as after shelling). Where was it filmed, maybe near Lugansk?
    This is another fake along the way. Just for what? Accuse the Russian Federation of aggression and lies?
  22. Khan
    +4
    19 July 2014 15: 27
    If Ukraine breaks the dip relations, all guest workers are Ukrainians. And a crowd of three million will return to their homeland in poverty and devastation, everyone knows how to count money. Europe needs Ukraine’s land and minerals, factories and enterprises do not meet European standards, the European market has long been divided Ukraine is waiting for the fate of Romania, Greece, Bulgaria, poverty and devastation with a further rapid extinction of the population.
  23. Alf
    +1
    19 July 2014 15: 36
    According to the Foreign Minister of Ukraine, Kiev "has a clear understanding of how to achieve a de-escalation of the situation, how to defuse it and how to solve political problems."

    "There is a person, there is a problem, there is no person, there is no problem." This is the ukropskoe understanding of the solution to the problem.
  24. +1
    19 July 2014 15: 51
    you are not brothers to us, the European sisters fool
  25. +1
    19 July 2014 16: 39
    Quote: Khan
    If Ukraine breaks the dip relations, all guest workers are Ukrainians. And a crowd of three million will return to their homeland in poverty and devastation, everyone knows how to count money. Europe needs Ukraine’s land and minerals, factories and enterprises do not meet European standards, the European market has long been divided Ukraine is waiting for the fate of Romania, Greece, Bulgaria, poverty and devastation with a further rapid extinction of the population.

    Truly so. Hunger and cold will make the best sense.
  26. Tanechka-clever
    +6
    19 July 2014 16: 47
    I drew attention to the next summary:
    Summaries from Strelkova Igor Ivanovich. 19.07.2014/14/08 XNUMX:XNUMX p.m. Comments and answers by I. And Strelkov.
    Question to Strelkov:
    - I was hoping that the cauldron at the border, a retreat from Lugansk, the loss of American and Bandera columns of equipment and vehicles - is the beginning of a victory over them.

    I. I .: “They hoped in vain. The junta cleverly creates the impression of its“ weakness ”and“ readiness for negotiations, ”but in reality the military buildup is being conducted continuously ... And they are going to fight“ to the bitter end ”so that, having defeated the militia, an experienced and victorious army to win the Crimea. "

    From me:
    - Even if today someone thinks that Russia will be able to serve it out, then in vain - the United States will not calm down, and we have already said "A", and for "A" there should be either "B" - or remember the 90s, but the truth is amendments to "capitalism" when there is nothing to lose. And then I think Europe will see other Russians, about whom they better not know.
  27. +4
    19 July 2014 17: 13
    So, under the heading “An exhibition of weapons with which Russia supplies terrorists opened in Kiev” last weekend, the Kiev publication “New Region” reported: “The peculiarity of the exhibition is that all types of weapons were delivered by the Russian Federation to help terrorists from Donetsk and Lugansk republics, ”the publication claims, however, without citing any evidence in favor of the version of the Russian origin of weapons.
    Well, as it does not lead. yesterday in the UN Security Council, an outspoken representative said that ammunition is marked on parts of which it fell into the outskirts))
  28. +1
    19 July 2014 17: 26
    As it is sung in the famous song: "And you and I are a brother from the infantry, and in summer it's better than in winter ..." Autumn thaw will come, the black soil will turn into an impassable swamp, constraining the maneuver, it's cold, the wind in the steppe is piercing through and through, not digging into a block to sit out the post. Therefore, the urks are in a hurry to complete the company before the onset of autumn, therefore they arrange provocations at the border and in the sky, and the closer to autumn, the more impudent and harsh the provocations will be.
  29. 0
    19 July 2014 18: 14
    http://www.odnoklassniki.ru/video/14673840706 вот скинули немножко
  30. 0
    19 July 2014 18: 26
    Quote: rotmistr60

    Severing relations with Russia is madness. And the daily streams of lies to Russia, and the shelling of Russian territory, and the destruction of Russians and Russian-speaking in the east of Ukraine. As soon as he was captured, he immediately remembers that we are "brothers", that he did not want to fight - he was forced to do it.

    Well, they are like that. My classmate served there in 1989-1990, so he was still talking, but no one believed him, they say, are you fraternal people.
  31. Vik.Tor
    0
    19 July 2014 18: 42
    Lose to your own people ...
    But who is the people there asking, they are sent to the front for utilization, the people have chosen a president, the people can leave. The most powerful divorce of courage in all history, zombies and sales for cookies.
  32. Wagron
    +5
    19 July 2014 18: 44
    I apologize maybe not quite in the subject, but funny:
    According to sources in social networks, in one of the hotels in Turkish Kemer, there was a real battle between Ukrainian and Russian tourists.
    The bulk of the guests at the hotel are Russians, Ukrainians and a few Turks. According to eyewitnesses, “nothing boded, but last night after dinner with libations, a group of Kievites began to shout“ yak at gilyak! ”Nazi remarks caused displeasure among tourists from St. Petersburg, but the nationalists did not react to the remark, but on the contrary, became even more infuriated , for which they were beaten. ”Further, the conflict grew, involving more and more vacationers.
    "The muzzle was just to the skies. They fought with sun loungers, chairs, drowned someone in the hotel pool. A large number of police cars arrived," said one of the vacationers from the "front line", according to whom what was happening was like "a saloon in the Wild West." AND IN CONTINUE ...... ---- A large number of police cars arrived, "said one of the vacationers from the" front line ", according to whom what was happening resembled" a saloon in the Wild West. "The Russians dispersed so much that they got the British and the Germans, the French fought on the side of the Russians, they were also helped by the Caucasians, Kazakhs and Belarusian tourists. Now the tricolor over the hotel ...
  33. Grandfather Victor
    0
    19 July 2014 19: 44
    "Poroshenko still has business interests in Russia." It's good that not Hitler!
    1. Alf
      0
      19 July 2014 20: 00
      Quote: Grandpa Vitya
      "Poroshenko still has business interests in Russia." It's good that not Hitler!

      And how do they differ? So far, only the scale. Moreover, both of them have eternal people in their relatives, one, true, purebred.
  34. +2
    19 July 2014 21: 02
    Quote: avt
    “It is vital for Kiev to explain that it is at war with Russia, and not with its own population. If Kiev constantly blames Russia, it will be easy for him to justify the crumpled and unsuccessful nature of its military operations in the Southeast. Losing to such a powerful adversary as Russia, it seems, is not a shame. And when you lose to your own people, it’s a disaster, ”the expert emphasized .-------- Well, in general, yes, a good opinion. But vague doubts torment me! But have they not gathered closer to the fall, will declare war on Russia and surrender, that would not work AT ALL !! ??? ... la! Feed them the whole country in compliance with the Hague Convention! Their dream of a freebie will come true one hundred percent. And what do we feel about this flock of banderlogs ??bully

    So, just for relaxation and mood:
    There is a meeting in the Israeli Knesset. There is one question on the agenda - there are more people, there is nothing to feed! What are the suggestions? Everyone thought about it. And then the young deputy raises his hand! we are listening.
    - I propose declaring war on Russia and the USA! They will defeat us and divide us! They will feed some, others others!
    They all slammed together! Well done! And no costs ...!
    Then the old Jew carefully lifts his hand. All at a loss. Listen to you!
    - AND Suddenly WE WILL WIN !?
  35. Vadim
    +1
    19 July 2014 21: 15
    I would like to clean up this hohlyatskaya evil spirits for people from New Russia, and to live with them in peace and harmony.
  36. 0
    19 July 2014 22: 34
    “Petro Poroshenko also has“ business interests in Russia ”:“ Poroshenko is too practical a person to lose super-profits at the cost of breaking with Russia. In this regard, Petro Poroshenko is not alone. Dmitry Firtash, Sergei Taruta and others. They were preserved even by Igor Kolomoisky "

    Where sanctions against the junta by Russia, the Americans find reasons for their own, what kind of country are we. Mr. and I interfere, and we allow them to make money on ourselves.
  37. 0
    19 July 2014 22: 43
    Against the backdrop of this humanitarian catastrophe, breaking relations with Russia is crazy, ”the political scientist believes.
    And then life shows us that in Kiev, "smart" sit, of course. Such a congregation of idiots is not accumulated in every madhouse.
  38. 0
    19 July 2014 22: 46
    The position of the Ukrop "elite" can find understanding: with all its rejection! - it is explainable. But the position of OUR leadership raises many questions. In particular, why, having such leverage over leading representatives of the ukrov political political monopoly, Russia does not use them at all ?! And if he uses it, then it is completely ineffective, because there are no external signs of the result of such influences! ..
    In general, "spreading rot" ukrov, against the background of their atrocities, is a simple matter. But where are the practical results of our activities? In addition to the ban on entry to Russia for 12 US citizens (in fact, those who do not particularly want to go to us - an analogy with the first package of sanctions of the State Department), nothing has changed! Transshipment in Ulyanovsk works, trade WITH UKRAI (!) Continues, transport continues! RD send to the mattress .. AS IF NOTHING HAPPENED.
  39. 0
    20 July 2014 08: 42
    And we have such airplanes. And no one has occupied Crimea.
  40. -2
    20 July 2014 17: 30
    Quote: aleksandr-budarin1
    and these only learned to "jump".

    No, there are more exams ahead!
  41. +1
    20 July 2014 19: 07
    "Against the background of this humanitarian catastrophe, it is madness to break off relations with Russia," the political scientist believes.


    Madness began earlier, when the first Maidan was organized, which showed that the country's constitution and other laws turned into prostitution. Now madness is in the acute stage ...
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