Battles in the area of ​​the fall of the Boeing 777

Not far from the crash site of the passenger "Boeing-777" cannonade is heard again. Information Agency RIA News reports that explosions are heard several kilometers from the Saur-Tomb mound.

Eyewitnesses report that artillery and multiple rocket systems are working. Presumably, Gradas can be rocket launchers.

Representatives of the national militia reported that they finally took the units of the Ukrainian security forces into a tight ring. Destroyed pontoon ferry on the river Mius. They tried to take advantage of this crossing, which were blocked by the soldiers of the army of New Russia.

The militias report that they are ready to let international experts pass to the place where the airliner, which was traveling from the Netherlands to Malaysia, falls. At the same time, representatives of the militia command, commenting on the information that Washington is demanding an immediate cease-fire, declare the West’s desire to give Ukrainian security officials the opportunity to exit the boiler.

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[Black Colonel]

Ukrainians want to hide (destroy) traces of their joint with Boeing

[klimpopov]

Source (author: eugene_df)

Note - the official channel of the SBU, this is not your slippers! And everything is combed, radio interception, all that ..

And only one detail in this video - makes the whole situation somewhat ... However, let's look in detail:

So, during the interception, it is clearly indicated where the launch was made from: a checkpoint at Chernukhino.

Attention to the map!

As you can see, the distance from the launch point to the point of impact is 37 kilometers. At the same time, the train was 10 - 11 kilometers. For the Russian “Buk M2 ″ this is really an achievable distance (though with one VERY important reservation, about it below). That's just in service with Ukraine, a modern, digital and high-tech air defense system does not and cannot be. And it stands in its arsenal in the best case, “Buk M1 ″. The complex is not bad, and even seems to fit in range ... If not for the one that I mentioned. The fact is that most short- and medium-range complexes work extremely poorly "catch up." There are several reasons, and I don’t want to delve into this right now, but you can take it as an axiom that when starting up after the start, the start-up distance “not into milk” is reduced by half from the nominal one (in fact, everything is WORSE worse, but we won’t sad). Thus, the real start-up zone “after” for Buk M1 is 16 kilometers. And the last kilometers of 3 - purely on the "divine help" and "without guarantees."

So, the disposition is given. We look at what we have:

Start made from Chernukhino. The maximum launch distance is 16 kilometers. The plane lies between Snezhny and Thorez. This is 37 kilometers, which is as much as 20 kilometers further than the maximum possible point of destruction. You know, even a whole plane with the engines turned off TAK will not be able to plan. But the trouble is that the plane is not whole. Judging by the picture of "scattering" of debris and fragments of bodies - it "broke" literally from the first hit. Here I would like to note that the high-explosive fragmentation warhead of the rocket has a mass of the order of 50 kilograms (by the way, Ukrainians have an outdated modification, it seems that there is generally 40). In general, it’s not a little, but you need to understand that it doesn’t “stick” into the plane, but at a certain rather large distance. And the main damaging factor is not, in fact, a shock wave, but a very even stream of fragments. Pre-prepared rods (in the early version of the cubes, it seems). And yes, for a fighter and more than that is enough. But here we are dealing with a huge airliner. Yes, one rocket will break the casing, cause depressurization, kill many passengers ... But it will not destroy the liner in the trash. Under certain circumstances, pilots can even plant it. And precedents took place to be (tomorrow I’ll update the post links, now I want to sleep). By the way - the same An-28, which, according to some reports, was the first victim of the Buk, although it covered itself, the crew was quite able to eject themselves. What, as it were, symbolizes. An, if anything, noticeably less Boeing.

[klimpopov]

However - this is related to the next part of the analysis. In the meantime, we take for the fact the destruction of the aircraft in the air at high altitude (which we, in general, are observing. I recall: “the fragments are scattered within a radius of 15 kilometers.” The trick is that it means exactly one thing: the plane (more precisely its main the core) fell almost at the point where the rocket hit it. I explain - as soon as the plane turned into a pile of debris of different masses, the "separation" of these debris began due to air resistance and the difference in their inertia. The most dense piece flew another kilometer 3 - 6, falling more and more gently. e - crumbled and due to planning and air flows - fell somewhere about ten kilometers. Medium (mainly pieces of skin with a large sail and the bodies of the victims) - fell almost vertically altogether.

In other words, the rocket caught up with the plane no closer than 25 kilometers from Chernukhino. What is ABSOLUTELY impossible for the Buk complex.

By the way, I cannot help but notice that firing at maximum distances for the Buk is possible only if it is supported by an external radar and guidance station. Those. the missiles are flying far, because the mobile radar is just not enough.

So, if the SBU message above is not a fake, we are surprised to find that the plane well couldn’t be shot down by the rebel Buk. What, by the way, this same “Buk” did in the Cossacks in Chernukhino, I personally do not understand point blank. And to Donetsk and to Lugansk there are approximately 60 kilometers, i.e. He cannot cover the sky over any of the key cities from there. There is no fighting in this area either. It’s somehow strange to catch planes there - the pilots are not enemies to themselves, what would such hooks be over the enemy’s territory? Anyway. As I said - to begin with, we believe that this is not a fake.

And here an epic picture emerges: the SBU, in fact, is laying out evidence of the MILITARY INSECURITY of the militia! The fact that they blame themselves on the recordings is understandable. Unlike the fascist, there is a conscience, and it torments so far there is no certainty that it is not you.

OK. But did someone bring down a plane?

Shot down of course. And here another question arises: what if this record is fake from beginning to end? But did she have to be prepared? Let it go?

And the smoke begins to disperse and the mirrors begin to beat.

[klimpopov]

Tricks are such a thing.

Let me try to tell how everything was really, in my opinion?

First of all, we recall that the plane left the standard course. Not much, a couple of tens of kilometers, but left. And he was over the battlefield.

We also recall that a few minutes before the Boeing, An was shot down. Taki militias.

And the picture becomes much more transparent.

It seems that this was originally an operation of the SBU. The goals are clear and there are several:

1) To finally reverse public opinion.
2) Enlist the support of as many countries as possible in the fight against "terrorists."
3) To substitute Russia, to achieve the introduction of the maximum number of sanctions and measures against it.
4) Inflict maximum moral damage to the militias. While they are not stained with the blood of civilians. If you convince themselves that they shot down civilians - they will be equated with the punishers of the junta.

This is not the whole list, but you must admit that this is more than enough.

How was this implemented? Simply.

To begin with, it should be understood that this flight is REGULAR. Those. when planning an operation, you can know in advance where and when the board will be.

Then everything is simple:
As soon as the presence of air defense systems in the militia is confirmed, the board is sent at a slightly different rate from the regular rate. Not a strong deviation. A dozen is another kilometer. But - right to the militias in the hands. And everything would have worked out if the SBU had competently coordinated its forces with the army. Which at that moment drove in the same area An. Here it must be remembered that the militia reported on the destruction of TWO aircraft today. Boeing, let’s put the second one. And who is the first?

And An is the first. Ukrainian An, who ate the rocket both for himself and for “that guy”. Beech really accompanies 18 targets and can fire at them ... But sequentially. And at the limit of range, but without external purpose ... In general, the missile was mistaken, who doesn’t happen to?

[klimpopov]

The SBU at the command post held their breath and ... And together they began to swear when they saw that the target was not shot down and now quickly leaves the affected area.

And of course, I do not believe that before the operation the Sbshniki were not safe. So somewhere near Izyum, and even near Slavyansk, the launch C-200 (or C-300, since OFFICIALLY, they have disposed of C-200) was deployed. With all the necessary equipment and target designation system.

And when it became clear that the fakir was extremely inexperienced - a second launch was made. By the way, C-300 could throw from Dnepropetrovsk, for example. Flight time - no more than 5 minutes, if that. Hence, by the way, and the delta between the demolition of the first and second aircraft. From the point of view of the militias - they knocked out the second immediately, he just pulled. Naive Chukchi youth. After such missiles - no one pulls anywhere.

Something like that. More precisely, they will help to install boxes. From their records it will become clear exactly where the missile hit occurred and how long the liner after that still retained its integrity. From here - it will be possible to dance.

In any case, the version described above seems to me most likely. In particular, she makes it clear - why the plane crashed so far from the launcher, why the debris spread - 15 kilometers and much, much more.

Smart is enough.

[klimpopov]

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http://cont.ws/post/36091

[klimpopov]

larger map.

[Per se.]

It seems that this was originally an operation of the SBU. The goals are clear and there are several:

It may well be that this is the original operation of the CIA, and not the Ukropan SBU, that without the knowledge of the Yankees it simply cannot be solved. If this is the business of the Americans, then the plane could have been blown up, and not shot down. You are looking for whom it is beneficial, as they say, and this is clearly not the interest of Russia or New Russia.

[klimpopov]

Understand the main thing! For the layman from Europe and the states, all this is not important. Chewing his burger, he will not go into details. They were washed for many years. Therefore, such an obvious clumsy in the actions of THEM absolutely suits, our common sense and logic, plus analytical thinking - this is very difficult for them. According to this, MASSA decides. And here it is very important to withstand our blow. WE NOW REALLY HATE THE WORLD! However, we are not to blame. Absurd? No, the CIA’s skillful actions. They are not as simple as someone wants to see.
By the way, I opened sites soon. Still washing up.

[Vita_vko]

Do not go about the versions of the Kiev junta.
If you are familiar with the BUK air defense system, then you probably know that its warhead weighs 62 kg and consists of explosives and metal balls. If it were 9M317 SAM, then the remnants of the aircraft would resemble a sieve. This is exactly what the remnants of the skin of the Russian Tu-154 looked like, which was shot down by the Ukrainian S-200 air defense system, 5V21 SAM.
According to the controller, the Malaysian Boeing deviated from the course. For this reason, or for some other reason, 2 Ukrainian planes accompanied him. According to eyewitnesses, in the area of ​​the catastrophe, only one plane was seen moving away from the crash site, as well as 2 paratroopers, one of which fell with an unopened parachute, and the second landed and disappeared from the scene.
Conclusion: it was a normal collision of airplanes in the air or a passenger plane was escorted specially to bring down in a given area, and the paratroopers had to pick up black boxes. What they could not do. Why a Ukrainian military plane made a dangerous approach to a civilian ship or shot it down is already a matter of investigation. But the fact remains. There were paratroopers, but no one noticed the launch of a large rocket from the ground, but the paratroopers noticed. But the smoke trail from the launch of the Buk missile is visible for tens of kilometers.

[Wedmak]

Bottom line: this was a normal airplane crash in the air.

How is the version accepted.

[KIRON]

It’s not accepted. There are questions about why the Boeing left the course. What the hell did he fly into the war zone. Why did he accompany the fighters? The answers are clear. The crew is subordinate to the dispatcher. This is because the pilots didn’t fly there wrong. These are two . Conclusion - This plane was doomed from the moment of take-off. Three !!! This is just a war against Russia. To kill 300 people — to Phonington — to cheat. Everything goes to get into Russia’s war. I don’t think that Ukrainians wanted to bring down the plane of GDP. in a distance of 50 km to the border with the Russian Federation. If we fell, the devil knows what howl would rise, although Poroshenko said that the Russian Federation shot down a plane. Where are our specialists? Will you start shooting ushlepoks or not?

[Simple]

Quote: Vita_vko

and the paratroopers had to pick up the black boxes. What they could not do.

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Try to find all the boxes, and even in the territory controlled by the militia. Complete nonsense.

And the fact that the liner was only 50 km away from the territory of Russia?

[Lelek]

And how could he hold out? An eyewitness said that he saw the explosion of the liner, after which the tail part fell off and he went down with a wide corkscrew. By the way, the same peasant said that there was a second smaller plane, which, after the explosion on the liner, quickly departed towards Dnepropetrovsk.

[klimpopov]

Accepted. In fact, I published the same VERSION "if it was a rocket ..." without seeing the wreckage, it's hard to say something definite. Those photos that I saw on the network, yes, there are debris without damage from the rocket, but this is not ALL debris ... plus it was embarrassing that the corpses really look as if they were already dead (oh, sorry for the wording, it's hard to find the words) ... Again, perhaps this is the temperature, but the debris is not burnt (as I saw in the photo) ... a lot of questions. If they want to figure it out, then the conclusion will be unambiguous ... if no one needs it then ...

[Simple]

Now there is a big b.d.o.s. information (MISCELLANEOUS).

You just have to wait.

And build all sorts of conspiracy theories on scraps of information from the media. ...

[olegglin]

klimpopov SU Today, 13: 16 ↑
Source (author: eugene_df)

Note - the official channel of the SBU, this is not your slippers! And everything is combed, radio interception, all that ..

As I understand it, your whole version is based on the fact that the video presented by the SBU is true. So, the video was mounted on 16.07.2014 in 19: 11: 19, that is, a day before the liner crashed.
Details here: http://vvv-ig.livejournal.com/762112.html

[alex popov]

Pick up the black boxes and hide ????
In which movie did you see this?

[klimpopov]

Well there Rambo and Chuck Norris are seen ...

[Petrix]

Quote: Vita_vko

and the paratroopers had to pick up the black boxes.

Boxes are looking for a lot of time with a lot of people and equipment. Unless of course you're lucky and the boxes do not fall into a pile on which the paratrooper will land.

[Lelek]

And besides, if an armored personnel carrier or a helicopter is waiting for him at the crash site to transport cargo.

[Petrix]

Quote: Vita_vko

Why a Ukrainian military plane made a dangerous approach to a civilian ship or shot it down is already a matter of investigation. But the fact remains. There were paratroopers, but no one noticed the launch of a large rocket from the ground, but the paratroopers noticed.

Maybe the order to defeat was issued, but the two fighters had disagreements about this. Next, one shoots a Boeing, and the second, which has more conscience, processes the first. After all, ukrovska is shooting with each other on the ground.

[Zlodeey]

Perhaps there was an explosion in the plane itself, less fuss!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: klimpopov

Still washing up.

but don’t have to climb into the poop.

[nicolay338]

And I have generally suspicions that the first Boeing s3,14zdili. And now they banged him, and all the docks - a skillful fake ... How so, showed on the box: charred debris and clean passports? Although we can passports for the picture just ... xs ... (((

[klimpopov]

Duc is still strange that the Russian flag did not develop on the rocket that flew to this plane.
States have achieved the main thing. Now the whole world really hates us. The states have free hands.

Your move Mr. Putin ...

[Alekseev]

Quote: klimpopov

Now the whole world really hates us

Well, not all, pro-American citizens in a number of NATO countries hate and to hell with them!

Quote: klimpopov

Your move Mr. Putin ...

He already said that Ukraine is to blame, to provide evidence, if there are none, anyway find and imagine the Americans lied and lie, they started to fly, their parashenka is six, the Russian Federation is by no means to blame.
To offer complete federalization of Ukraine and the world through the mediation of the Czech president .
This is probably the move.

[regdan]

This does not crank. Each item has its own number. Where when and by whom it is made. The plane is not a car that is stamped at the factory.

[nicolay338]

HZ, HZ ... for the sake of big politics and preparing in advance, 2 sides deliberately wave places ... maybe everything ... (((
PS: s3,14zdili - I put it that way. Borrowed - this word is more suitable ...

[Nicholas]

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[Sandov]

Quote: Per se.

You are looking for whom it is beneficial, as they say, and this is clearly not the interest of Russia or New Russia.

I felt that the Americans were making up some muck. This is their favorite horse, as they say, they got a hand. Large experience in Soviet times, civilian flights used for their own purposes.

[Lelek]

Well, if it cost nothing for the CIA to blow up the twin skyscrapers, so the "buzz" of some kind of liner there is like two fingers ...

[WKS]

Quote: klimpopov

More precisely, they will help to install boxes. From their records it will become clear exactly where the missile hit occurred and how long the liner after that still retained its integrity.

Whether the Boeing was shot down by Ukrainian dropouts, or by specially trained personnel, or even militias of Novorossia. In any case, all legal and moral responsibility for the loss of life lies entirely with the state of Ukraine, which allowed the civilian vessel to fly over the territory of hostilities. No other interpretations are possible here.

[klimpopov]

In any case, all legal and moral responsibility for the loss of life lies entirely with the state of Ukraine, which allowed the civilian vessel to fly over the territory of hostilities. No other interpretations are possible here.

So it's iron. I DO NOT understand why Russia suddenly turned out to be guilty ...

[kotj56]

Colleague! I carefully read the correspondence. But modern air defense systems carry nuclear weapons. A direct hit is optional.

[klimpopov]

It might not have been. More precisely, if it was a rocket it was not there. But then the wreckage in the sieve ...
Have you definitely read?

can plan. But the trouble is that the plane is not whole. Judging by the picture of "scattering" of debris and fragments of bodies - it "broke" literally from the first hit. Here I would like to note that the high-explosive fragmentation warhead of the rocket has a mass of the order of 50 kilograms (by the way, Ukrainians have an outdated modification, it seems that there is generally 40). In general, it’s not a little, but you need to understand that it doesn’t “stick” into the plane, but at a certain rather large distance. And the main damaging factor is not, in fact, a shock wave, but a very even stream of fragments. Pre-harvested rods (

[mintai_kot]

Over Debaltseve He was already walking no more than 5000-6000 thousand! I saw it personally !!

[Bayard]

Thanks for the competent analysis, but what's interesting is how quickly and in time everything turned out. In the morning, a cold war was declared, and in the evening, a setup with a sacred sacrifice. Hurry up VERY.

[klimpopov]

The victim has long been prepared. They all calculated and waited for the moment. Dill in the cauldron. Isn’t the right time? Now the war is not won by the military, it is won by the media

[FANTOM-72]

Quote: klimpopov

The victim has long been prepared. They all calculated and waited for the moment.

This has already happened on 11 September. The mattress covers worked on a knurled one, not particularly bothering, and at. was on board what Ukrainian snipers are known. It was necessary to lay at the calculated point, here on Svidomo "Buk" cannot be hoped. IMHO

[STALGRAD76]

2014 the date is too fitting, 100 years of the beginning of I MV ...

[Znayka]

That is, are you absolutely sure that it was the ground-based air defense system that Boeing destroyed? For the same circumstances as you indicated (the actual collapse of such a large machine is still in the air, the scatter of skin parts, etc.), could it be destroyed by launching air-to-air missiles from close range?

[klimpopov]

it is impossible to be absolutely sure. But at least the version pulls.

[Egen]

Quote: klimpopov

the version described above - seems to me most likely

Klim from your reasoning may leak out and another 1 version - the rocket (s) from the fighter, and taking into account Sergey's information below - that it was blown up from the inside. But this will be clearly visible both in the boxes and in the examination ...

[klimpopov]

So you have to wait for the examination. then everything will be clear.
By the way, the version is not mine. This is copy paste. There is a link.

[mamont5]

Quote: klimpopov

And when it became clear that the fakir was extremely inexperienced - a second launch was made. By the way, C-300 could throw from Dnepropetrovsk, for example.

And they could fill up with "drying". After all, the dispatcher, who was leading the board, saw 3 minutes before the liner disappeared from the radar screen next to the shadows of two fighters.

[klimpopov]

Again, possibly reinsured. They led to the slaughter of people. Critters ...

[klimpopov]

Hmm, in my opinion the height of the Sushka's combat use is 6.5 km, if I'm wrong, correct it
what were there? Su Xnumx? then completely. But no one SPECIFICALLY knows what type of aircraft was there (if they were at all)
Plus An-26, where is he?
rigged a statement Strelkova? And threw in time? It is very similar ... Dill and Strelkov talk about DIFFERENT airplanes but it looks as if Strelkov first got a Boeing with an 26 ...

[Wedmak]

So there is a video where it is clearly visible that the An-26 crashes with a burning right engine.

[klimpopov]

It is confused. Ie framed arrow! He is talking about An - 26. And everyone thinks that he MISTAKE! Very simple juggling.

[Wedmak]

Very believable. Given that the BUK of militias without target designation machines, command and others. Even if it is serviceable, bring down such a goal yourself ... what kind of aces should the crew be?

[Canep]

Hi Klim! No one can even imagine that no one was shooting, the plane could crash itself, just like the same plane of the same airline disappeared in the ocean. Maybe the reason is the same.
Further: if a missile hits the tail, it can simply be torn off (it can be torn off by the side due to the detachment of the tail cargo hatch, there have been cases) after which the plane will tumble at a speed of 800 km / h, from which it can fall apart into several pieces.

[Lord of the Sith]

18.07.2014/12/40 XNUMX:XNUMX (Moscow time) Comment by I. I. Strelkov

- Someone else has to fly such a plane, which, including, will be impossible to leave. The version with the plane, full of dead, exciting, of course, but somehow the meaning is not visible.

I. I .: "Firstly, not all people on the plane were dead before the fall.
Secondly, a large number of medicines, serum and other things were found on the plane, which is not typical of an ordinary liner. It seems that there was a medical special.
Thirdly, I do not insist on anything (yet). I just literally talked with two people who had personally collected the bodies immediately after the fall (both from Shakhtersk and arrived at the site less than half an hour after the disaster). From their words and writing. They stressed that many of the corpses turned out to be “completely bloodless” - as if the blood had coagulated long before the disaster. They also noted the strongest corpse smell, noted by many local residents - such a smell could not form in half an hour in any weather, and the weather was cloudy yesterday, not too hot.
Fourthly, I myself am extremely suspicious of all kinds of “conspiracy studies”, but 18 of our fighters poisoned by chemistry at the positions in Semenovka, shootings of members of militia families and other “little joys of svyazymi patriots” convinced me that the Ukrainian authorities are capable of any meanness.

The pilots, of course, were quite alive - the whole cabin (and the front part was well preserved) was literally covered with their blood. "

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sith Lord

They emphasized that many of the corpses were "completely bloodless" - as if blood had curdled long before the disaster.

And for some reason passports were in one package.

[arhipelag]

So it fell that liner that disappeared 4 months ago, in the Indian Ocean ... from which the corpses are not fresh there.
That airliner was stolen specially to break it at a convenient time, possibly with pre-fabricated data in the flight recorder.
So it seems to me that there is a direct relationship between these two supposedly catastrophes

[Wedmak]

By the way, it seemed to me when I watched the video ... corpses were seen several times and ... they are kind of strange - strange color, in strange bloated, in strange poses without a drop of blood (when it is clear that everything would be flooded with it ) ... Although it may indeed have seemed, the video does not convey all the details.

[klimpopov]

Hi!
But is this the plane - which was gone? (as delirium)
Comrade chews just about getting. But if he fell apart, then the black boxes, which, as I understand it, are already at the militia, will tell everyone. Well, or almost everything.

[Petrix]

Quote: Canep

No one can even imagine that no one shot, the plane itself could crash down,

1. The emergency did not happen instantly and the crew could report. There is of course a likelihood of rapid destruction.
2. The most banged in the war zone - there is also a chance. But are there any examples from the story?
3. To break so by the way for Poroshenko and the USA, this is already a probability of vanishingly small.
4. Change the flight path by mistake and pilots, and autopilot and dispatchers well, this is generally unrealistic.

Now we multiply all these probabilities. We just get some miracles if there is no malicious intent in this.

[Corsair]

Quote: klimpopov

Note - the official channel of the SBU, this is not your slippers! And everything is combed, radio interception, all that ..

Yes, and obviously the "radio interception" is "glued" from different "pieces" ...

[mamont5]

Quote: klimpopov

Note - the official channel of the SBU, this is not your slippers!

Well you said. The official channel of the SBU is a source of lies and black fantasy. They simply don’t know how to tell the truth.
A post is a definite plus. Everything is clear and reasoned.

[wow]

How can the An-28 (26,32) be ejected in the absence of ejected seats on such aircraft (as well as on other BTA aircraft)! ???

[klimpopov]

http://slon.ru/fast/world/kiev-soobshchil-o-spasenii-poloviny-ekipazha-an-26-112

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Most likely jumped out

[Corsair]

The flywheel is gaining momentum ...

Russian Defense Ministry spotted the work of Ukrainian radars on the day of the fall of Boeing


The Russian Ministry of Defense said that the department’s specialists spotted the work of Ukrainian radars on the day of the fall of Boeing. This was reported to RBC by the Ministry of Defense.

The ministry said that during July 17, Russian radio equipment recorded in the area of ​​the settlement of Styla, 30 km south of Donetsk, the operation of the 9s18 "Kupol" radar station of the Buk-M1 air defense missile system battery.

"The section of the flight route on July 17 of this year, the Malaysian Boeing 777, as well as the place of its fall, fall into the affected area of ​​two Ukrainian batteries of the S-200 long-range anti-aircraft missile system and three batteries of the Buk-M1 medium-range anti-aircraft missile system," they said in the Ministry of Defense.

The military specified that the technical features of the Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system make it possible to transmit information about air targets between batteries of the same battalion. Thus, according to the Ministry of Defense, the missiles could be launched from batteries stationed in the village of Avdeevka (8 km north of Donetsk) or Gruzsko-Zaryanskoe (25 km east of Donetsk).

Earlier, the Russian Defense Ministry reported that 20 Buk M 1 anti-aircraft missile systems from the 156th anti-aircraft missile regiment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were deployed in the north-western outskirts of Donetsk. They specified that this air defense system can hit targets at an altitude of over 30 kilometers.

On July 18, US intelligence agencies reported that a surface-to-air missile had been fired at the Malaysian Airlines plane. According to a France Press source who wished to remain anonymous, US intelligence analysts are now trying to find out who exactly fired the missile: militias from eastern Ukraine, the Russian military stationed near the Ukrainian border, or the armed forces subordinate to Kiev.

The fact that the Boeing 777 was shot down intentionally, said on Wednesday and US Vice President Joe Biden during a speech in Detroit. He expressed confidence that what happened in the sky over eastern Ukraine was not an accident.

Earlier, British military analyst Nick de Larring from the Jane's center in an interview with the Interfax news agency said that the only way to shoot down a liner flying at an altitude of 10800 meters was with the help of the Buk complex and the S-300 air defense system.

The Boeing 777, flying the MH17 flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, crashed in Ukraine on Thursday evening, 17 July. The liner fell in the vicinity of the village of Grabovo, Shakhtersky district of Donetsk region. On board were 280 passengers and 15 crew members. They all died.

Grigory Naberezhnov

Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/18/07/2014/937436.shtml

[yehat]

using the product F-1 under the ass.

[Wedmak]

You can simply parachute if possible.

[Reinhard]

Explain intelligently.

[Lord of the Sith]

And we have in the morning on the outskirts of Donetsk near the airport "Grad" volleys and skirmishes.

[Vitaly11]

and although we don’t have militias for 12 days, but as ukrovoyaki fired at midnight, they shoot; today the truth was quiet at midnight, but at 3:25 a.m. (local time) they came off with two packages of MLRS Hurricane, they shot at once, why did they shoot ... since there are no militias here, history is silent ...

[Момент]

They want to destroy the tracks, and black boxes, so that, God forbid, they get to Moscow.
For about a week, two have been saying that Ukrainians are preparing a provocation on the border with Russia. Can this really be?

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Moment

They want to destroy the tracks, and black boxes, so that, God forbid, they get to Moscow.

It doesn’t matter if they get to Moscow. Nobody will listen to ours. Just another saka on CNN will say that the Russians shot down the plane and everyone will believe ...

[Lelek]

That's for sure. "Tanned" has already stated that the liner was shot down by the militia and for the "investigation" it is necessary to stop hostilities. Thus, it makes it possible for the surrounded units of the National Guard to avoid destruction. This is the point, in my opinion.

[Gxash]

How to give a drink! N.E.H.E.R. to make dill and mattresses there! Let all recorders in MSCs be taken even here and we will understand. You can’t trust anyone. Or to China - they have a less biased attitude in the conflict.

[yehat]

the Chinese have an opinion that is hardly biased (direct interests in Crimea)
but you can ask the Japanese - they are better than others to remain neutral.

[thrower]

among the Chinese it’s hard to say that the opinion is not biased

China will be very interested in the connection of this Boeing and Boeing missing in March. In March, some Chinese scientists seemed to be flying.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Black Colonel

Ukrainians want to hide (destroy) traces of their joint with Boeing

They don’t have a brain - they don’t want anything, or rather they want to hide under the bed and cry quietly in the dark until everything resolves itself.

Regarding the wiping of the tracks - for them the owners will wipe everything.

[Kuvabatake]

And the mattresses will help them. (if they can)

[MAGGNUM]

the first thought was the same.
You can’t make any compromises with the United States, finish off the Nazis in the cauldron, and good luck to the army of New Russia. And in no case do not let dill take over the black boxes. They need to be found before dill, unless of course there is something left of them. They can become the answer to the tragedy.

[Giant thought]

Of course, the surrounded remnants of ukrovoyak units should be eliminated as quickly as possible so as not to interfere with the commission's inspection of the territory of the Boeing's fall.

[RUS96]

...........

[Zaval]

No, it was not a jamb; there are big and well-grounded assumptions that it was a planned and shredded action. Now we must not allow that, God forbid, they did not find a fragment of the rocket and a number suitable for identifying the release date, a batch by which you can track the final recipient, the number in \ h. Circumstances may arise when the points will finally be put in question who shot. This is not beneficial for Ukraine, especially in light of the fact that the DNR and LNR systems are capable of hitting objects beyond 3 tm. no.

[Black Colonel]

It was the remnants of the missiles, the soot from the explosive of the warhead that I meant as jambs, i.e. traces by which you can track the end user.

[volot-voin]

Quote: Black Colonel

Ukrainians want to hide (destroy) traces of their joint with Boeing

Of course they want to hide it, otherwise it will be inconvenient in front of Europe .... and they also want an armistice to get out of the "boilers".
There is a version that the Boeing was specially planned for "slaughter", some of the passengers died before the accident.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1405676334
The USA, how they got excited with a truce, when when innocent people were killed in Slavyansk from heavy artillery, there was no need for a truce, but like 300 foreigners from Europe and Malaysia (maybe stale at all), you won’t get a stink.

[Black Colonel]

The US how they got excited with a truce
In some Soviet film, the CIA also staged a provocation. So there the US representative at the talks uttered a phrase that began with the words "The US government, showing an unheard-of peacefulness ..."

[VPavel]

Quote: volot-
The USA, how they got excited with a truce, when when innocent people were killed in Slavyansk from heavy artillery, there was no need for a truce, but like 300 foreigners from Europe and Malaysia (maybe stale at all), you won’t stink. [/ Quote

I think the same thing all the time. The OSCE was silent, and now an armistice is urgently needed, but only in the area of ​​investigation of the fall of the Boeing. Hypocrites.

[gandalf]

But the possible culprit ...

[Vitaly11]

hmm ... can someone explain what the numbers on the BUK mean, because I am tormented by great suspicions that today the Uragan MLRS destroyed the unfortunate BUKs. Below I will skip the video of the transfer of BUKs from the Lulan region. in March (Kramatorsk region), they transported 5 cars (they were recorded on video in the Solidar region), then they crossed to the Kramatorsk airfield, but only THREE cars were taken out of the airfield, the other two were still in underground hangars)
PS Do not pay attention to the name of the video, because if necessary I can look for information that BUKs were transported through the village of Dunevka, it is literally 5 km away. from the Kramatorsk airfield, the main numbers begin with the number "3"

[Vitaly11]

and yet ... behind the Kramatorsk airfield, explosions from heavy guns have been heard for an hour, the plane flies, and in the morning helicopters were heard .... something was clearly not clean here ....

[Vitaly11]

Quote: gandalf

But the possible culprit ..

is, I found this video under Soledar, ATTENTION to the Numbers !!!
in the photo thrown comradegandalf car number "321", now we look at the video time 00:35 the same car and there are five of them ... direction - Kramatorsk http://hi.dn.ua/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id = 44216 & catid = 60 & Item
id = 157

[Pajamas]

During July 17, Russian radio equipment recorded the operation of the Kupol radar station of the Buk-M1 battery, located in the vicinity of the village of Styl (30 kilometers south of Donetsk), ”the report said.

“At the same time, the technical features of Buk-M1 allow exchange of information about air targets between the batteries of one division. Thus, missile launch could also be carried out from all batteries deployed in the village of Avdeevka (8 kilometers north of Donetsk) or Gruzso-Zoryanskoe (25 kilometers east of Donetsk), ”the Russian Defense Ministry points out.

http://southfront.info/minoborony-rf-vychislilo-otkuda-mogli-sbit-boeing-777/

[Delink]

Not dill, but the Americans want to hide.

[alicante11]

Ukrainians want to hide (destroy) traces of their joint with Boeing

Look at the map where Saur-Mogila is and where the fall site is. Someone wanted to “fried”. Strelkov said that the place of the fall was in the deep rear.

[Matroskin 18]

At the same time, representatives of the militia command, commenting on the information that Washington demands an immediate ceasefire, declare the desire of the West in this way to provide Ukrainian security forces with the opportunity to exit the boiler.

But this is closer to the truth! And that "consequence, consequence! ..." They need it, is it a consequence?

[Kuvabatake]

I agree. I think and bring down the plane the idea of ​​mattress covers.

[Standard Oil]

There is no need for any truce, this has already happened, all these Parashenkov's "truces" are complete bullshit to divert the eyes of the schizoid liberals.

[MaxikyM]

Jackal tries to cover his tracks ...

[vlad-ns]

To water Hanuriks and others like them minions!
Washington - blow at the elbow, not a ceasefire!

[nnasty]

provide the Ukrainian security forces the opportunity to exit the boiler.

Maybe all for the sake of it and started?
Although, of course, one can hardly believe such a thing.

[creep: b]

For this campaign he was shot down to distract the militias. There probably were no passengers. Maybe he was taking corpses from some sort of Dutch morgue. Any suspension of hostilities to the junta.

[CTEPX]

Quote: creep out: b

There probably were no passengers. Maybe he drove corpses

If in this (missing) "Boeing" corpses were transported, then the real (regular) one landed earlier)).

[Vita_vko]

Most likely, due to the sharp depressurization, the majority died at an altitude of 10 km. Only pilots flew alive, their cabin was sealed and isolated from the cabin. From a sharp drop in pressure, the blood coagulates almost instantly, it almost boils. And it was a long time to fly to the ground, that's why there is no blood of passengers, and in the cockpit is full, because they died last. I think soon there will be a record of the negotiations of the pilots and much to be clarified. The main thing is that the junta’s dispatcher in Kiev would not be shot as an unnecessary witness. The OSCE should take him under protection; the Kalamo’s fascists will stop at nothing if they started to commit such crimes.

[VNP1958PVN]

Not the fact that the urks will want to destroy the traces of the disaster with "accidentally flown ammunition"

[RESEARCHER]

No concessions to America. They want to stir up something again.

[Alexan]

It seems to me that they want to substitute both Poroshenko and the DPR at the same time. But somehow stupid, primitive, not by the mob-crush. SBU specialists are still those! What the hell are they protecting. it’s even impossible to substitute properly!

[silver169]

Ukrainians shot down, and now they are sweeping tracks. Rotten people.

[kergudu straight]

Quote: silver169

Ukrainians shot down, and now they are sweeping tracks. Rotten people.

Already the Russian Ministry of Defense has confirmed the work of the dill in the Boeing zone, we are waiting for details on Russia 24

[INVESTOR]

Quote: Kergudo Straight

The military specified that the technical features of the Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system make it possible to transmit information about air targets between batteries of the same battalion. Thus, according to the Ministry of Defense, the missiles could be launched from batteries stationed in the village of Avdeevka (8 km north of Donetsk) or Gruzsko-Zaryanskoe (25 km east of Donetsk).

Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that 20 Buk M 1 anti-aircraft missile systems from the 156th anti-aircraft missile regiment of the Armed Forces were Ukrainian

Excuse me dear, what does your nickname "straight" mean? Like stand out in the midst of opposites on this forum? So there are no gays here, Do not consider the members of the forum and you personally an insult. just some strange nickname you have))))

[kergudu straight]

Quote: INVESTOR

Quote: Kergudo Straight

The military specified that the technical features of the Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system make it possible to transmit information about air targets between batteries of the same battalion. Thus, according to the Ministry of Defense, the missiles could be launched from batteries stationed in the village of Avdeevka (8 km north of Donetsk) or Gruzsko-Zaryanskoe (25 km east of Donetsk).

Earlier, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that 20 Buk M 1 anti-aircraft missile systems from the 156th anti-aircraft missile regiment of the Armed Forces were Ukrainian

Excuse me dear, what does your nickname "straight" mean? Like stand out in the midst of opposites on this forum? So there are no gays here, Do not consider the members of the forum and you personally an insult. just some strange nickname you have))))

take a closer look, there are enough homosexuals here, and straight means straight, not dyed mongrel, but for especially curious people, my grandfather lived to be 100 years old because he didn’t discuss other people's nicknames

[Old Cynic]

Sorry to address "you", but ...
What "male genital organ" do you, "jellied kangaroo tail" dare to judge the whole nation like that, Australian bastard?
Regarding the rot - look at yourself, squirting from the motherland!

Once again I apologize for the "you". "You" is not applicable to YOU!
PS My minus. For the underdevelopment of the brain!

[Roman 1977]

Presumptive conversation in the family of the Russian president:

[Old Cynic]

Stop clowning around, Dear!
Do you need a fake with Kabaeva? I have them.

[Corsair]

Quote: Novel 1977

Presumptive conversation in the family of the Russian president:

Do you also have "radio interception" from the SBU?

Maybe enough for today?

[Roman 1977]

Well then, let's seriously:
The Malaysian Air Line Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 started at 10: 14 from the Dutch Schiphol Airport with a flight to Kuala Lumpur. Communication with the plane disappeared in 14: 15. when it was over the territory of Ukraine, at 50 kilometers from the Russian border, at an altitude of about 10,7 kilometers. Until the loss of communication - telemetry transmitted to the ground showed that the aircraft was operational, the flight was going on normally. The pilot of the aircraft - before the connection was cut off, managed to convey that he was “led” by two fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force. After that - the connection was lost. Aircraft - crashed in the area of ​​n / a Grabovo, in the Donetsk region, all 283 passengers and 15 crew members were killed.
Let’s try to establish the few facts that are now.
1. The plane disappeared due to communications over the territory of Ukraine and crashed on the territory of Ukraine.
2. In the place where it fell, Ukrainian air defense units (SAM "Buk-M1, OSA-AKM) were deployed.

The militia has a Su-25 attack aircraft, previously captured from the Ukrainian Air Force, and is serviceable and flown around. In addition, four days ago, this attack aircraft most likely struck at Ukrainian positions.
And what's more, just on that day, Ukrainians said that the Russian Air Force plane shot down their Su-25 attack aircraft.
That is - in that place in the sky theoretically (as Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners could consider) there could be airplanes of both the Russian Air Force and the LNR Air Force. Moreover, it is entirely possible that the Su-25 LNR Air Force retained a friend-or-foe defendant, and the Ukrainians did not reprogram all of them. A low level of training (10 years ago, Ukrainians shot down an airplane over the Black Sea) and the general atmosphere of psychosis could lead to the fact that they shot at everything that flies.

3. Militias - were interested in shooting down Ukrainian planes - but the technical means they had (MANPADS, ZU-23, Strela-10) allowed to shoot down only low-flying aircraft (Su-25 attack aircraft and An-26 low-flying), which they have been doing all the last time. So, an hour before the fall of the Boeing, another An-26 of the Ukrainian Air Force was shot down.

[Old Cynic]

Awesome study!
Something about Putin and Kabaeva and where does it?

[Roman 1977]

4. For unknown reasons, the Ukrainian dispatchers launched the Malaysian plane exactly over the combat zone. In previous days - he took a different route.

5. Militias - had at least one SAM Buk.

But at the same time - the Prosecutor General of Ukraine In Yarema said that they got the equipment inoperable. In addition - if the MANPADS can use a minimally trained soldier, then to control such equipment as the Buk air defense system you need professionally trained officers, and moreover, you need to monitor the airspace and issue the coordinates of the targets for installation. Considering the fact that the militias do not have such equipment, it is very unlikely that the Buk air defense missile systems, if they exist among the militias, worked across the sky that day. A technique such as the Buk air defense system can be successfully used by the army, not partisans.
6. Boeing - accompanied by two fighters, and two fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force - the pilot managed to convey this. At the same time, according to several militias, they watched as the Ukrainian Su-25 launched air-to-air missiles.

But this - it seems unlikely - Ukrainian Su-25 after modernization can carry the only air-to-air weapons - 2 obsolete P-60 missiles with very mediocre performance characteristics.

In addition, what is the point of suspending air-to-air weapons on the Ukrainian Air Force attack aircraft now? Is it ... perhaps it was suspended on that day, after the information that the Russian plane attacked and shot down a Ukrainian attack aircraft passed?

So theoretically - a missile from a Ukrainian attack aircraft could also have hit. Theoretically, there could even be an air battle between the Ukrainian attack aircraft and the LNR Air Force attack aircraft.

[Roman 1977]

7. Another nuance. According to Wikipedia, the maximum height of combat use of the Su-25 is five thousand meters. But if you believe the words of the Malaysian pilot - and there is no reason to not believe him - he was accompanied by two fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force. How could he be “escorted” by the Su-25 if the Boeing was twice their height? So, these were some other fighters, right, the same Ukrainian MiG-29 and Su-27, of which Ukraine has a lot (MiG-29 at 2013 a year or so about 80, Su-27-20).

8. An indicative restrained reaction of both the EU and the USA. Jen Psaki said that we should refrain from the temptation to quickly find the perpetrators. The EU said that the plane most likely crashed due to technical reasons. At the same time - there was information that the black boxes of the aircraft
found by militias and will be transferred to Moscow. We are interested in learning the truth about what happened - and therefore, most likely, the international commission will study the black boxes. So to lie - most likely will not succeed.
From all this - the facts, the unexpectedly restrained reaction of the West - one conclusion suggests itself. The West reliably knows that Ukrainians shot down a civilian plane. And this catastrophe, if the truth can not be silenced, can lead to grave political consequences and the collapse of the entire policy towards Ukraine that the West has been pursuing for the past six months. If you look at Ukraine with an open mind, a terrible picture emerges - the regime of dubious legitimacy uses armed forces , including artillery and aircraft against the inhabitants of their country. On the territory that is considered peaceful - there are numerous atrocities, physical reprisals against dissidents, to which there is evidence. A significant part of the Ukrainian government is made up of neo-Nazis, and neo-Nazi ideology is spreading throughout Ukraine. With the connivance of the government, one ethnic group commits serious crimes against another ethnic group, the most striking example of these atrocities is the events in Odessa. Nazi, racist, xenophobic calls and proposals for terrorist attacks, including at nuclear power plants, are spreading on the Internet. And the West - it supported everything for a long time.

[Corsair]

Quote: Novel 1977

Another nuance.

Why is your MiG so HUMPY?

Is life "twisted"? (Joke)

[Roman 1977]

Leopard change his spots!
For a snack:

[Vtel]

Yes, the CIA was hit by Parashenko, their work style was September 11th, however.

[kocclissi]

Parasha already spoke on the telly: Boeing was shot down, they say, by terrorists! As I heard, I wanted to throw a box from a window, we got it with a lie!

[skyyl]

One way out of the boiler - under the COURT!

[s1н7т]

Your opinion, it seems, does not coincide with the opinion of our bosses - 14 dill + 2 lawyers calm treated in our hospital! And no one is going to judge them.

[thrower]

They will be transferred to Novorossia healthy, why hang a wounded punisher, this is not humane.

[Pathfinder_II]

Moreover, they are also guarded by heavily armed masked fighters. I hope these are our special forces.

[Under fly]

Bandera and the US are trying to hide evidence of a downed Boeing.

[Mountain shooter]

Aircraft wreckage spread 15 km. This is what will cover such an area? Guessing is useless. But a rocket from Dnepropetrovsk from Kolomoisky "in spite" of Parashenka - very likely.

[Password]

The Kiev junta suffers a military defeat in the Donbass and understands that after that a kayuk will come to her. Therefore, they came up with this monstrous provocation - they intentionally launched a civilian plane along the most dangerous route over the combat zone, and perhaps they themselves shot it down. Now they blame everything on the militias, counting on the international support of their regime. Dnepropetrovsk dispatchers led the Boeing, I think that the cunning yellow Benya (Kolomoisky) was involved in this Jesuit idea. After organizing the killing and burning of people alive in Odessa, the creation of punitive fascist battalions from the scumbags of this scumbag, you can expect anything.
Comment on the MK website - www.mk.ru

[the eldest]

Well, it really is the expectation that our radars have noticed that how much ...................

[siberalt]

Wife to husband laying table. Do you dress your underpants! Guests will come soon.
- Yes, let them see how you feed me.
- Good. Let them see why you are fed.
So it is here. Let the international expert commission work and online the world will know that in the Donbass there is a punitive operation against its own people. Well done that surrounded ukrov continue to clean.

[Old Cynic]

The article sucks. And full.
Title:

Battles in the area of ​​the fall of the Boeing 777

Further, in the text:

Not far from the crash site of the Boeing 777 passenger cannonade is heard again. The RIA Novosti news agency reports that explosions are being heard several kilometers from Saur-Mogila mound.

For from RIA Novosti I have the audacity to convey that the crash site of the Boeing from Saur-Mogily is at least 20 kilometers from each other ...

Magazines, first you would turn the globe, or something ...

[Corsair]

Quote: Old Cynic

Magazines, first you would turn the globe, or something ...

Greetings! Journalists estimate distances by Moscow standards, for them 20 km is also "Center overlooking the Kremlin"

[Old Cynic]

Dear!

more "Center overlooking the Kremlin"

and with Putin’s brazen Mordovian mug ...

[Vitalka]

And for GDP it is possible for Mordovian ...

[Old Cynic]

come get it!
My minus is for stupidity!

[Old Cynic]

Negated - you need to be treated!
You don’t understand humor ...

[Old Cynic]

By the way, the day before yesterday, my brother sent a Kapslok SMS: "WHAT IS THE CARNET WEAPON?"
I answered him briefly.
Then I find out: three "entih tsfyatochka" came to them at the checkpoint.

[Corsair]

Quote: Old Cynic

Then I find out: three "entih tsfyatochka" came to them at the checkpoint.

To the bouquet would also be "Acacia", together they will smell odorous ...

[Old Cynic]

The brother says - "every iron and brand new - a hell of a lot" ...
I already wrote once that he was put on "Cliff" - I lied. The second number he has with "Cliff", and the brother of the PKK.
He casually blurted out about "Verba" ... I didn't insist on clarification ...

[Corsair]

Quote: Old Cynic

The brother says - "every iron and brand new - a hell of a lot" ...

Yes, it happens that T64, BMP 2, armored personnel carriers, Nona's ...

[Old Cynic]

Also, how they go ... Unhappy casualties, a just and affectionate owner to look for ... Here the DPR army will sip them, take them for food ... They serve it with all zeal ...

[Corsair]

Quote: Old Cynic

Also, how they go ... Unhappy casualties, a fair and affectionate owner to look for ...

No-oh, those sho "walk", already masters, well-groomed, reference, already shiny ...

[Bear in the north]

Everything is very hazy with Boeing. And the "cauldron" should be cooked until cooked.

[marder4]

and with what intercession, militia should give the opportunity to dill out of the boiler?

[Gagarin]

Quote: silver169

Ukrainians shot down, and now they are sweeping tracks. Rotten people.

My minus, I myself live in Ukraine, the people here are not rotten, and you can find it in every nation.

[Rigla]

To whom was it profitable? It is known to whom. Obviously not Russia and New Russia. It remains ...

[the eldest]

Quote: Gagarin

My minus, I myself live in Ukraine, the people here are not rotten, and you can find it in every nation.

Every family has its black sheep...........................

[Old Cynic]

So what??? All the people because of one freak shit need to be watered?

[Wolka]

how many expert clerks have already written about, already the head is spinning ...

[cold_22]

The CIA gentlemen don't even strain their brains, the scenario played out back in the early 80s in the Far East with the South Korean "Boeing" is being repeated. The history was murky, they didn't really understand it, but Reagan declared the USSR an evil empire and it started ... And today's Russia is far from The USSR, and they will press us diligently. The nasal voices of Amerov's lackeys are already heard that the Russians are to blame and in general all the troubles are from us. To be honest, the conviction is growing lately that things are heading for a large-scale war ...

[gandalf]

Quote: http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1677949.html

The list of losses of junta troops for July 9-15

[Corsair]

Quote: gandalf

Quote: http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1677949.html

The list of losses of junta troops for July 9-15

Paper with signs of obvious forgery. Pay attention to the discrepancies (language, "movni") in the column "wounded" and "wounded" ...

[Old Cynic]

Precisely noticed !!!

Just not fakes - but OFFICIAL stupidity and illiteracy !!!

In the Ukrainian language there is no word "killed", there is the word "hammered", "zagibli".
As in the official copy of the funeral for my Grandfather: "Having turned over to death, the horobrich" ...
Yes, we will forgive the Armenian woman, that he is in Russian, that in Ukrainian, that in Turkic, that in Australian to write - IT WILL MAKE EVERYTHING ERRORS!
Further: "helicopter" ... RZHUNIMAGU 100500 times !!!
Avakov, chmo non-Russian! In the Ukrainian language there is no word "helicopter", and e the word "guintocril" !!!
Further: "wounded" - "wounded" ... Google translator, apparently, refused ...
"artillery" - "artillery" ...

Avakyan, you or Ukrainian yourself learn, or dragoman fire at first!
Toka do not confuse it with a mandrake !!! And, you haven't read Kassil, he is not a "great Armenian fabulist" ...

[Corsair]

Quote: Old Cynic

Just not fakes - but OFFICIAL stupidity and illiteracy !!!

I can’t exclude the second option ... and the third and fourth! Since there are no stupid edges ...

[Old Cynic]

No dear, this is not stupid!
This is the upper limit of human baseness and meanness.

[parusnik]

So everything is clear ... Dill in 2001 was not recognized, until now, when the carcass was shot down ... An obvious provocation .. The rout was creeping up not noticeably, you won’t react quickly, so we went on a provocation ... I won’t be surprised if this version appears: the passengers of the plane were grilling kebabs in the cabin .. and therefore an accident occurred .. people in the House of Trade Unions themselves set fire to themselves ...

[GRAY]

Quote: Sith Lord

Secondly, a large number of medicines, serum and other things were found on the plane, which is not typical of an ordinary liner. It seems that there was a medical special.

Leading AIDS specialists were there (flew to the conference) - double 3.14zdets.

[Des10]

On RTR24 urgent message - Russian radio equipment on this day recorded the active work of the Buk radar of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, this is an official message from the RF Ministry of Defense.

[Russ69]

Quote: Des10

On RTR24 urgent message - Russian radio equipment on this day recorded the active work of the Buk radar of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, this is an official message from the RF Ministry of Defense.

MOSCOW, July 18 - RIA Novosti. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation recorded the work of the Ukrainian radar on the day of the crash of the Malaysian plane and calculated the settlements of Ukraine, where they could bring down the liner, the press service of the department said.

As the ministry clarified, the plane's route and the place of its fall fall into the affected area of ​​two Ukrainian batteries of a long-range anti-aircraft missile system and three batteries of a Buk-M1 medium-range air defense system.

"During July 17, Russian radio equipment recorded the operation of the Kupol radar station of the Buk-M1 battery stationed in the area of ​​the settlement of Styla (30 kilometers south of Donetsk)," the message says.

"At the same time, the technical features of the Buk-M1 allow the exchange of information on air targets between the batteries of the same battalion. Thus, the launch of the missiles could also be carried out from all batteries deployed in the village of Avdeevka (8 kilometers north of Donetsk) or Gruzsko-Zoryanskoe (25 kilometers east of Donetsk), "the Russian Defense Ministry points out.

RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140718/1016541309.html#ixzz37oOTwbe6

[sdobrov]

Washington, no one calls him in any way, the Americans go through the woods, these prostitutes have nothing to do on our continent, if they had to tear up the stingers and cram them in the ass

[cosmos132]

Quote: yo-mine

How can the An-28 (26,32) be ejected in the absence of ejected seats on such aircraft (as well as on other BTA aircraft)! ???

There are no catapults, but parachutes under the ass.

[Roman_999]

APU go cover the tracks at the crash site of the passenger side, digging everything with shells and new bodies. They started playing war games, so the Mistress will turn her back on her, it’s easier for her to re-elect the New Power by hanging on all these dogs and removing them NOT bringing the matter to the tribunal, even though by elections through a new maidan, than to cover the presumptuous boys.

[Iero]

A very deadly puzzle of events for Russia has emerged, which proves that Boeing is in the right place at the right time:
July 17 2014
- The Permanent Representative of the United Kingdom, Mark Lyall Grant, not yet knowing (or knowing?) About the impending death of nearly 300 passengers, requested an emergency session of the UN Security Council on Ukraine.
- Washington introduced the so-called "sectoral" sanctions against the military-industrial complex of Russia.
- Downed a Malaysian Boeing 777. The resonance of this catastrophe is added by scientists flying to the world scientific conference. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation recorded the work of the Ukrainian radar station on the day of the plane crash and calculated the settlements of Ukraine from where the liner could be shot down. The Boeing's route and the place of its fall fall into the affected area of ​​three batteries of the Buk-M1 medium-range air defense system.
“On the night of Israel, it entered the land phase of Operation Indestructible Rock” in the Gaza Strip (the largest invasion in recent years), which until then had been reduced to remote attacks from air and sea against targets in the enclave. The outskirts of Gaza - one of the most densely populated areas in the world, where 360 ​​square meters. km live about 1,7 million people.
July 18 2014
- The USA and the FRG are asking the parties to the conflict for a ceasefire, ostensibly to investigate the crash of the plane, precisely at that moment when the southern group of junta troops is on the verge of complete defeat.
- The Australian Embassy, ​​which traditionally runs ahead of its American steam locomotive, accused Russia of crashing the liner.

[Velikoruss]

When a man died in the village of Donetsk on the territory of Russia from shelling, our military said that according to satellite imagery they knew the exact place from which this volley was fired. Most likely, the incident area with the Boeing is also constantly in the field of view of satellites, as It is located only 50 kilometers from the border, and also above the place of hostilities. So Putin, I think, knows exactly the actual course of events accurate to the second.
IMHO

[Corsair]

Quote: Velikorus

Most likely, the incident area with the Boeing is also constantly in the field of view of satellites, as located only 50 kilometers(???) from the border, and besides above the place of military operations

Whose nonsense are you repeating about "50 km"? Take the trouble to open the map and find the village of Grabovo on the territory of the Minersky district of the Donetsk region ...

[Pro100Igor]

Here is the answer to the question: who and why.

[Buryi]

there is an opinion ...

[Delink]

Let everything go as it should. Felled dill at the crossing. And let the Americans scream in the media.

[aleks545]

Quote: klimpopov

And of course, I do not believe that before the operation the Sbshniki were not safe. So somewhere near Izyum, and even near Slavyansk, the launch C-200 (or C-300, since OFFICIALLY, they have disposed of C-200) was deployed. With all the necessary equipment and target designation system.

Maybe here is the answer.
http://ukrpravda.net/index.php?topic=16366.msg400654#msg400654

[Eltempo23rus]

The fire can not be stopped in any case, you need to finish off the creatures.

[smershspy]

This situation reminded me of September 11th in the USA. Ukraine followed the rules of dirty US pseudo-politics! Ukraine, not it, but the bandits in power, as already mentioned, want to denigrate and trample friendly relations between fraternal peoples. I must agree that the SBU is to blame here on all sides!

[BEGGAR]

Of course, I don’t trust the Russian media and officials for nothing, but no one confirmed the information about hundreds of crying relatives with TV frames. Again, brand new passports, t-shirts and backpacks untouched by fire. Is this the missing Malaysian board used today at such an opportune moment?

[Atoll]

Really strange freshly printed passports, cadaveric stench from the bodies of the dead, bloodless bodies, a huge amount of medicines on board.
It smacks of a grand provocation in the style of 11.

[voyaka uh]

What is so strange? Doctors flew to the International AIDS Conference in Melbourne,
Australia. Samples of drugs were taken. If a delegation flies, then passports are often collected together.
The corpses look like this because there was a sharp depressurization at high altitude.

[traper]

when watching the video, it also seemed strange to me that the passports were suspiciously "fresh", without worn covers and, most importantly, a whole pack in one place. Well, it would be, if this was a group of minors flying, then the older group could have passports, but in the photographs people are quite adults.

[el.krokodil]

Quote: Black Colonel

Ukrainians want to hide (destroy) traces of their joint with Boeing

Yesterday it was supposed ... I agree with you ... don’t wash it like that .. the policeman says that they have black boxes .. already a plus .. dill want to seize the territory around the place of the fall .. I’m sorry if they don’t succeed again they’ll start to use hail and art right in the place of the Boeing’s crash .. and then they’ll usually dump everything on the militias .. if this happens on the wreck there will be such a number of w / w tracks and different that you can forget about the examination ... besides, if at all something for research ... and since there is nothing .. that means there’s nothing to investigate and you can blame the militia and RUSSIA for everything .. by the way serums, test tubes, and other medical nonsense, is it not sabotage? so you can get an epidemic about it didn’t turn out .. any new strain of aids and look for the extreme among the dead .. it's a little scary ..

[semmish]

Quote: Egen

Quote: klimpopov

the version described above - seems to me most likely

Klim from your reasoning may leak out and another 1 version - the rocket (s) from the fighter, and taking into account Sergey's information below - that it was blown up from the inside. But this will be clearly visible both in the boxes and in the examination ...

What do you hope to learn from the mailboxes? Photo of a rocket or fighter firing? On-board means of objective control record a lot of information: speed, altitude, course of the aircraft, performance parameters of aircraft systems, crew negotiations, etc. and they work with efficient aircraft power. When a rocket is blown up and energy is damaged, the RNS stops working. Therefore, it will be possible to judge the causes of the disaster after a detailed study of the wreckage of the aircraft. It is a pity that eyewitnesses filmed a general plan, and not individual fragments of the fuselage and wings.