The crash of "Boeing": Russian, Ukrainian and American versions
Some details about the victims. Among the passengers of the liner were citizens of different countries: the Netherlands, Australia, Malaysia, Indonesia, Great Britain, Germany, Belgium, the Philippines, Canada and others. Among them were 80 children.
Now - applications and versions.
Advisor to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko said that “Boeing” was shot down by the Buk air defense system. ITAR-TASS cites a statement from the presidential administration of Ukraine, in which Poroshenko admits that the plane was shot down from Russian territory. Poroshenko also claims that the Ukrainian army did not take action to defeat aerial targets in the area of the incident.
A source in the Russian Ministry of Defense, ITAR-TASS notes, said that there were no flights of Russian combat aircraft in the areas adjacent to the Donetsk region on Thursday.
ITAR-TASS cites the statement of the authorities of the DPR. They deny involvement in the crash.
“The militia does not have such weapons that could bring down the plane at an altitude of 10 km. We have MANPADS that bring down a maximum at an altitude of 3-4 km, ”said the representative of the Prime Minister of the DPR, Sergei Kavtaradze.
"Vesti.Ekonomika", referring to “a number of sources”, indicates that aircraft at an altitude of more than 10 thousand meters can only be hit weapons Type C-200, C-300 or Beech. However, the possibility that the aircraft could attack from the air is not excluded. Vesti reminds of a similar crash with Siberia Airlines Tu-154, which was hit by a Ukrainian missile on 4 on October 2001 of the year: it attacked the board, confusing the liner with a training target. 66 passengers and 12 crew members died.
RIA News" also recalls the tragedy of the year 2001 with Tu-154.
As in the 2001 year, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not believe Ukrainian statements that Kiev did not shoot at air targets.
ITAR-TASS reports today the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
In the opinion of the Russian military, Kiev’s statements that yesterday’s air defense system or Ukraine’s aircraft did not fire at aerial targets raise serious doubts: “It’s impossible to make such an unequivocal conclusion in fierce fighting in this area in such a short time. Such responsible statements, which have serious legal consequences, require a thorough investigation. ” According to the Russian ministry, in the area of the disaster there are units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces that have the Buk-M1 air defense system.
“Thus, in the region of the northwestern outskirts of Donetsk, the divisions of the 156-th anti-aircraft missile regiment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were deployed with twenty-seven launchers of the Beech M1 complex, the Russian Defense Ministry told ITAR-TASS. “These complexes, according to their tactical and technical characteristics, are capable of detecting air targets at distances up to 160 km and hitting them in the entire altitude range at a distance above 30 km.” The ministry officials added: “In addition, combat aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, equipped with various types of missiles, are constantly in the skies over Donetsk region. This is an indisputable fact. ” The ministry further noted that the Boeing-777 was flying outside the range of the air defense of the Russian Federation, being in the airspace of Ukraine under the control of its air traffic management system.
As for the aforementioned military aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, one Spanish controller said yesterday that two Ukrainian military aircraft were near the Boeing before his disappearance from the radar. This was reported by the channel "RT".
Ukrainian airplanes were spotted by Comrade Carlos just a few minutes before the crash of “Boeing” - not far from it. The dispatcher immediately wrote about this in his Twitter account. This Spanish dispatcher led the aforementioned Malaysia Airlines liner.
"Military aircraft flew near the 777 in three minutes before it disappeared from the radar, just three minutes," - says Carlos. And further: “When“ Boeing ”simply disappeared from the radar, the Kiev authorities informed us that it had crashed. How could they find out so quickly? ”
Test pilot Ruben Yesayan agrees with Carlos. In his opinion, which leads ITAR-TASS With reference to the Russia-1 channel, official Kiev has no reason to claim that the crashed Boeing-777 was shot down.
“So quickly find out where, what, who shot down and why, it’s impossible,” said the expert. “This suggests that they shot down themselves and realized that they shot down themselves, and now they are trying to quickly get out of this situation.”
This explains the fears of Mr. Poroshenko. He is afraid that the Russians will take the “black box” to Russia.
The text of the statement at night appeared on site of the Ukrainian president in 00: 45 on the eighteenth of July.
Addressing compatriots, Petro Poroshenko said: "Today the war has gone beyond the territory of Ukraine." And further - an explanation: “Today, terrorists killed almost 300 people with one shot. Among them are women, children, citizens of many countries of the world ... They shot down a peaceful passenger aircraft of the Malaysian Airlines, which flew from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur at an altitude of ten thousand one hundred meters. ”
Let me add on my own, but if the “terrorists” do not have complexes capable of shooting down planes at such a height, then what did they shoot him down with? According to such logic Poroshenko will soon “arm” the rebels with nuclear missiles aimed at Washington.
We quote the full paragraph:
Other terrorist saboteurs also managed to boast the next trophy. ”
Further, Poroshenko reports that the Ukrainian government has created a state commission to investigate the causes of the disaster, and specialists from the International Civil Organization aviation, representatives of the Netherlands, Malaysia and the USA. The president also writes that he had telephone calls with Barack Obama and the prime ministers of Malaysia and the Netherlands.
The message to compatriots Poroshenko ends with a familiar remark:
Meanwhile, the White House sent its investigators to Ukraine.
As transmits ITAR-TASS, US Vice President Joseph Biden believes that the Malaysian aircraft was deliberately shot down.
Biden said that the Ukrainian authorities accepted the US offer of assistance in investigating the circumstances of the disaster. According to him, American experts will arrive in Ukraine.
It is also reported that Petro Poroshenko in a telephone conversation with Barack Obama and Joseph Biden expressed condolences to the American people in connection with the death of US citizens as a result of the disaster.
The latest publications in the American press speak about the belligerent attitude of congressmen.
Newspaper "The Washington Times" notes that US lawmakers are concerned: in their opinion, an airplane incident could translate the Ukrainian conflict into a new dimension. There are already voices in the Senate demanding that the Obama administration take decisive measures against Russia.
Nor did “hawk” John McCain. He said that the liner crash will affect the situation and that the United States will "finally" begin to "deliver weapons to Ukraine."
American intelligence officers believe that a ground-to-air missile was launched at the Malaysian liner. He wrote about this “Wall Street Journal”, reports ITAR-TASS.
Where did the rocket come from? According to the American edition, "opinions on this matter are divided." No clarifications.
The Wall Street Journal was joined by CNN. She also reported that the Boeing was shot down by a ground-to-air missile. According to unnamed TV sources from the US administration, the launch of the rocket was noticed by a radar shortly before the crash. Some "officials" reported that the sensors recorded a significant heat release at the time of the alleged rocket airliner. To this, CNN adds that the United States is now analyzing the rocket’s trajectory.
In another material published in "The Washington Times", it offers a ready-made explanation of Russia's actions.
The president of Russia, according to the newspaper, is trying to blame for the disaster "opponents from the government of Ukraine." That is why he acts so swiftly, the newspaper notes, expressing a request for granting Russian investigators access to the airliner’s crash site.
The publication also reports that American intelligence has already excluded Ukraine from among those who are “guilty” in the crash.
Go to Russia.
Vladimir Putin believes that Ukraine is responsible for the crash of the aircraft. "Of course, the state over whose territory it happened is responsible for this terrible tragedy," Putin said. ITAR-TASS.
The Russian president said this at a meeting on economic issues, which he proposed to start with a minute of silence.
“This tragedy would not have happened if there was peace on this earth, and hostilities in the south-east of Ukraine would not be resumed,” Putin said.
“I ask the Russian government, through the existing capabilities of civilian agencies, to do everything to thoroughly investigate this event,” the president said. And he added: “We must do everything that depends on us so that the objective picture of the incident will become the property of our public, and the public of Ukraine, and the whole world.”
Presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov, talking with the correspondent of the British newspaper Guardian, called it stupid to suppose that Russia might be involved in the plane crash. Writes about this today RIA News".
Peskov also said that the Kremlin would not make further statements about the tragedy, because so far "no one knows" who is responsible for it.
Russian experts are confident that the Boeing was shot down by the Ukrainian military.
RIA News" cites the opinion of the chief editor of the magazine “National Defense” Igor Korotchenko.
"Considering the transfer to Eastern Ukraine of additional forces and means of the Ukrainian air defense and bringing them into increased combat readiness, it is obvious that as a result of checking the combat regimes of the Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile systems, either due to the low qualification of personnel and combat calculations or an unintended launch by mistake of the operator, which led to the defeat of the Malaysian "Boeing", flying over the territory of Ukraine at an altitude of 10 thousand meters, "said Korotchenko yesterday.
The analyst of the international company IHS, Nick de Larrinaga, whose words are quoted, partly agrees with the Russian expert RIA News".
“... At the usual flight altitude, a passenger plane is unavailable for man-portable air defense systems that we could see in the hands of insurgents in eastern Ukraine. But it could be within the radius of the ground-to-air missile systems of medium (and longer) range, such as the Buk and C-300, or later versions of them. Both Russia and Ukraine are armed with these systems, ”said the expert.
Former Commander of Moscow Air Defense, Colonel-General Yuri Solovyov believes that the plane crash "certainly" looks like a provocation. His opinion leads "Moscow Komsomol".
A few minutes before the catastrophe, a representative of the Ukrainian authorities said on television that the militiamen had at their disposal an operational Buk air defense system. But earlier in Kiev they claimed that the DPR fighters did not have such weapons. At the same time, it became known that one of the divisions of the Buk complex was relocated to the combat area, over which Boeing then fell. Moreover, in the sky around the same time, the Ukrainian Air Force carried out combat missions.
To the question of the correspondent of “MK”, whether it is possible to consider a catastrophe a provocation, Solovyov answered: “Certainly. This is very reminiscent of a provocation. ”
But is it possible to blame Russia for such a provocation? Here is the expert's answer:
But the version from eyewitnesses.
RIA News" writes that residents of the village of Grabovo, Shakhtyorsky District, Donetsk Region, near which Boeing fell, a few minutes before the fall saw a combat aircraft in the sky.
“The plane launched several rockets, they exploded somewhere in the sky. Immediately after that, there was a loud bang or explosion. After a few seconds, debris began to fall on us, ”said residents.
Now version of the militia.
"Reports from Strelkov Igor Ivanovich ..." Boeing "was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter. Received a recording of the ether with an eyewitness, which describes the details of the death of the Malaysian "Boeing". The main. 1. There was a 3 explosion. 2. 2 man with parachutes jumped out of the dying plane. 3. A Ukrainian aircraft was recorded which departed in the direction of Debaltseve. ” (Link).
Screenshot in Ukrainian ( link):
Another screenshot, from 17 Jun ( link):
Here are some more details. Important.
LifeNews reports that shortly before the crash, the Malaysian "Boeing" deviated from the course by tens of kilometers. The fact is that three days ago the plane that was carrying out the same flight from Amsterdam flew over eastern Ukraine along a special air corridor.
On the seventeenth of July, the liner flew for the first time through combat areas. Experts interviewed by LifeNews argue that any such route change should be coordinated with the supervisor.
В LJ Boris Rozhin is a map of the course offset (see below).
The analyst believes that "we can say for sure" that the "Boeing" was brought into the territory of the DNR "consciously." According to the blogger, the course offset is "obviously intentional in nature." And then we read: “The machinations with the Boeing route are completely identical to the well-known provocation with the South Korean Boeing, which the Americans brought into the airspace of the USSR in 1983, after which it was shot down.”
What is the purpose of the aircraft shot down? “The task of the provocation is quite understandable, the blogger believes - to accuse the militia and the Russian Federation and to reverse the emerging trends in Donbas unsuccessfully”.
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