Passenger "Boeing777" fell in the DNI near the border with Russia

Not far from the border with Russia in the Donetsk People's Republic, the airliner of Malaysia Airlines fell. According to preliminary data, all 295 people aboard the Boeing 777 died. These are 15 crew members and 280 passengers on the Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur flight. Reports about it RIA News.

Reportedly, the plane did not fly approximately 50 km before entering the airspace of the Russian Federation.

Interfax-Ukraine reports that the wreckage of the aircraft are near the village of Hrabovo. According to reports from the same news agency, this locality is controlled by the militia of the Donetsk People's Republic. In ukroSMI, it immediately gave rise to the “main version” of the tragedy: allegedly the passenger airliner was shot down by militias. Another version of ukroSMI today is not to be expected.

The plane disappeared from the radar screens at an altitude of 10 thousand meters, and after a while fell in the Shakhtyorsky district of the DPR. 10 thousand meters - height, which is inaccessible even for the most advanced MANPADS.

In the air traffic control service of Ukraine they report that the Boeing has operated an emergency beacon.

Comments

[vrach]

Someone wants 3 world war, already can not.
Kiev, as the initiator of the ATO, was to notify all countries of the change in air corridors. The West does not recognize the LPR and the DPR, which means that it ignores all their no-fly zones.

[Lord of the Sith]

A month ago, the Kiev authorities closed the sky for any aircraft over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
What was he doing there? And by the way, about unloading the Polish brigade in Odessa and loading it onto the railway platform, questions also arise.

Powerful artillery installations, staff buses and trucks arrived in the Odessa port for shipment to Donbass
Yesterday, in the port of Odessa, in an atmosphere of increased secrecy, unloading of twelve self-propelled wheeled artillery installations - 152-mm vz howitzer guns was unloaded. 77 "Dana" Czech production, armed with the Armed Forces of Poland, as well as staff buses and trucks. After unloading, the artillery division (presumably from the First Masurian Artillery Brigade), fully staffed by Polish troops, proceeded on its own to the Razdelnaya railway station for loading onto platforms.
Military experts familiar with the situation suggest that this is the “surprise unpleasant for the militia” that Petro Poroshenko spoke about.
With the open entry into the civil war in Ukraine of the regular army of a foreign state - a member of NATO, the military-political situation is changing radically. Completely untying the Russian Federation and its allies hands for an adequate response.

Alexander Nikishin
Central News Agency Novorossia
Novorus.info

[Sid.74]

Media: Ukraine previously relocated to the area of ​​the fall of the Malaysian Boeing division "Bukov"

In the area of ​​Donetsk, where the Malaysian plane crashed, a division of Buk self-propelled anti-aircraft missile systems was previously relocated by the Ukrainian armed forces. It is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to its source.

The source also emphasized that aircraft at an altitude of more than 10 thousand meters can only be hit by weapons like C-300 or Buk. The militias do not and cannot have such weapons.

Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/41278#ixzz37k4jfo4T

[herruvim]

Corresponding communication infrastructure has been destroyed in eastern Ukraine
Civil aviation flights in the airspace of Donetsk and Luhansk regions cannot be carried out, "since the corresponding communications infrastructure has been destroyed there." This was announced by a representative of the proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic.
"Dispatching support of all passenger flights is carried out from Kiev. It is not clear how the plane could be there," he said. "During the fighting at the Donetsk airport, a communications tower was blown up, which is part of the unified dispatch system. Aircraft cannot fly here," he added.
On July 8, the State Aviation Service of Ukraine banned "in order to ensure an adequate level of flight safety" to close the airspace over Donetsk and Luhansk regions "for the implementation of any flights of civil aircraft in favor of state aviation."

[mirag2]

There a month ago, at the airports there were problems in the airspace of Ukraine.

[crazyrom]

Please do not put down the cons, I am sincerely afraid and suddenly the militias accidentally got from Buka, thinking that it was a dill carrier. Here we have an article claiming that the downed An-26 seems to be exactly in the same area: http://topwar.ru/54473-an-26-ukrainskih-vvs-sbit-bliz-toreza-opolchency-zayavlya
yut-io-sbitoy-sushke.html

[Wedmak]

AN-26 cannot fly at an altitude of 10 km. And IL-dill is not allowed there.

[steel_balls]

https://twitter.com/spainbuca

Yes, in any way dill with a fright burned.

[SSR]

Quote: steel_balls

https://twitter.com/spainbuca

Yes, in any dill with a fright fired.

Yes, not with a fright, the idiocy of dill has already surpassed the limit of 10000000 psaki for a long time, this is a fuck ***, and the lack of coddling of the dill is the ONLY state in the world that managed to bring down 15 civilian sides in less than 2 years.
Fainting !!! Dumbheads my hut with the edge, saloyed. Give a crowbar on the ridge to the cocks.

[Canep]

Now you will start minus, but still I will write that the AN-26 was shot down by the militia at an altitude of 6 km, at such an altitude it could not be shot down either from the Shilka or from the MANPADS. Earlier it was reported that the Luhansk militia captured a brigade (or regiment) of the air defense of the ground forces equipped with "Buks". We take the map and look. The crash site between Grabovo and Rassypnoe. by inertia, the plane could fly 20 kilometers, we postpone along the course of the plane in the opposite direction and we get that the place where the plane was possibly shot down is Maloorlovka (or Kirovskoe) from Maloorlovka just 52 km to the border with Russia, there was a message that the plane stopped sending a radio beacon signal 52 km from the Russian border. We take a compass and from Maloorlovka draw a circle with a radius of 25 km (the radius of the "Buk"), it turns out Debaltsevo, Horlivka, Makeevka, Velikaya Shipovka, Torez, Frashchevka, all these villages are under the control of the DPR.
Conclusion: if a Malaysian plane was shot down, and was shot down from a Buk, then the militia did it. But he could be shot down from an S-300 with a range of 75 km or from something like that, or shot down by an interceptor aircraft. In addition, he could have fallen without anyone's help, 4 months ago the same plane of the same airline disappeared into the ocean and the reasons for this can only be guessed at. Hopefully the investigation will be independent.

[DPZ]

immediately said the beech captured by the militia is defective and needs repair. it is even dill recognized.

[AK-74M]

Quote: Canep

The AN-26 was shot down by the militia at an altitude of 6 km, at such an altitude it could not be shot down by either a Shilka or a MANPADS.

According to updated data, the Academy of Sciences was shot down at an altitude of about 3 km when it descended. And "Buki" was recognized as faulty. Moreover, the Ukrainians themselves incapacitated them before fleeing. The militia has no technicians and crews trained to work with the air defense system (officially).

[Dali]

What kind of sapper are you - you are dill stoned, would you at least ask what should be part of the Buk complex in order to use it and what qualifications should be the personnel serving this beech ....

[doxtop]

Who is familiar with the operation of the Buk?
For Buk M1 ... with a range of 35 km, an altitude of 22 km. using simple mat calculations, you can get that the next Boeing-type aircraft at an altitude of 10-10,5 km. from the "Buk" can be shot down at a maximum range of 27-28 km.
The transfer time from marching to combat position is 5 minutes, from standby to working mode - 20 seconds. Selection, selection and recognition of the goal in total give another order of a minute. The flight speed of the 9m38 rocket is about 1000 m / s. That is, at the maximum (27-28 km.) Range, the rocket will fly about half a minute. Now let's put it all together:
So, let's say the Buk is deployed into a firing position. Accordingly, in order to reliably detect, recognize and destroy a target at an altitude of 10 km. it will take about 1,8-2,3 minutes.
Now about Boeing 777 speed. Cruising flight speed is 900 km / h or 250 m / s. Within 2 minutes, a Boeing flies approx. 30 kilometers.
And now the most interesting ...
Evaluating all the data is obtained in order to guarantee the destruction of an air target flying at the altitudes of flight of jet passenger airliners "Buk" must constantly be in the target search mode. Those. it must work all the time! Even assuming that the militias managed to repair and put into operation the Buk captured from the dill ... I don't think they would have risked using it to hell with where, and even in a constantly operating mode, risking every minute of being destroyed by an anti-radar missile. Most likely (if I were in the place of the militia) I would deploy the air defense system where the thread is closer to Lugansk or Donetsk. But even if there was one among the militias who would risk trying to shoot down a civilian liner, then for this he simply needed information about routes, heights and flight schedules, and the militia cannot have such information by definition. But the dispatch service for monitoring and ensuring air traffic of Ukraine has it!
To everything else, the militia’s air defense missile systems simply wouldn’t have time to get to the point under the Boeing’s route, turn around, find the target, and only then shoot it down. They just wouldn’t have enough time for this (Remember about those 2 minutes of flight and 30 kilometers of the traveled path) !!! That is, by the time the rocket could hit the airliner, it would have long gone beyond its reach.
But! If you look at this situation from Ukropovskaya’s side, there are many facts confirming the possibility of such an attack.
1) Is it poor or poor, but functioning air defense over the Ukrainian territories, and even up to S-200/300.
2) Full information on air traffic over Ukraine.
3) Desynchronization and absolute inconsistency of actions of the dispatching service of the Civil Air Fleet and air defense elements
4) Disorganization of the staff of Ukropov due to the huge amount of misinformation, lies, and the lack of competent leadership
5) A huge desire to at least put some slippers on the Russian neighbor.
6) The search for any (even the most disgusting) ways to whitewash themselves (as a result of ongoing defeats) and the desire to drag EU countries into this war (not to mention the Yankees)
7) etc.
8) etc.

IMHO! I do not pretend to be a court of last instance, and I am not even a former or current operator of the Buk-m1 air defense system. And all the conclusions made by me on the basis of the analysis of data taken on the Internet and Russian / Ukrainian information channels.

PySy: By the way! I fundamentally disagree with the assumption that after the defeat of the air defense system, a Boeing could fly by inertia for another 20 km. The same data analysis can confidently state that with the defeat of 9M38 missiles, a Boeing will not fly even 7-8 km. Almost immediately, along a parabolic trajectory, rush to the ground (well, or what remains of it after the defeat).
;)

[Dali]

Even Yandex clearly translates ...

The military here (ATC), the control tower, confirm that the Ukrainian army rocket,

[Dali]

Yes, but why can’t you insert a picture? Ay, mods !!!

Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,

https://twitter.com/spainbuca

Here are stsuki-p_in_dodo_sy - already banned the tweet of the dispatcher (in Kiev) -Spanish

[mamont5]

Quote: steel_balls

Yes, in any way dill with a fright burned.

Yes, hardly with a fright. It is believed that they wanted to remove the GDP.
"A source in the Federal Air Transport Agency called the plane of Russian President Vladimir Putin" the probable target of the Ukrainian missile that hit the Malaysian Boeing, "Interfax reports.

"Board number one and the Malaysian Boeing 777 crossed at the same point and on the same echelon. This happened near Warsaw at the 330th echelon at an altitude of 10100 meters. Board number one was there at 16:21 Moscow time, the Malaysian plane - at 15:44 ", - explained the source. The contours of the planes and their dimensions, according to the source, are similar, and the coloring "at a fairly distant distance, it is almost identical." Russian President Vladimir Putin uses a special modification of the Il-96-300 aircraft. This is a four-engine passenger long-haul wide-body aircraft. According to information posted on the manufacturer's website, its length is 55,345 m, height 17,55 m, wingspan 60,105 m. According to media reports, flight MH17 was performed by Boeing 777-200. Its length, according to the information posted on the Boeing website, is 63,7 m, height 18,5 m, wingspan 60,9 m. "
http://www.teleport2001.ru/teleport2001-ru/2014-07-18/48734-celyu-ukrainskoy-rak
ety-sbivshey-malaziyskiy-boing-mog-byt-samolet-prezidenta-rossii.html

[abc_02]

A little clarification:
The Spanish air traffic controller who piloted the crashed Boeing posted a message on his Twitter that said two Ukrainian fighters had been spotted near the plane minutes before it disappeared from radar.

Un contrôleur aerien espagnol basé à Kiev indique que l'avion était escorté par 2 avions de chasse ukrainien avant de disparaitre @spainbuca
✈ Carlos. @Spainbuca
El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, desaparecer de los radares,
9:48 - July 17, 2014
El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, desaparecer de los radares,
✈ Carlos. @Spainbuca
Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes, no lo derribo un caza
9:54 - July 17, 2014

- When the Boeing simply disappeared from the radar, the Kiev authorities informed us that it crashed. How could they find out so quickly? - Carlos writes in his micro-blog.

In addition, the Spaniard reports that the military confirms the fact that the plane was shot down by the Ukrainian side, but "it is not yet known who exactly gave the order."

[abc_02]

And as a result of pig stupidity:
Poroshenko accused Russia of aggression and ordered to change the tactics of the "ATO"

On behalf of Poroshenko, the General Staff of Ukraine plans to redeploy troops in the area of ​​the "ATO" to increase the effectiveness of hostilities with "Russian military personnel."

Poroshenko set for the National Security and Defense Council the task of "doing everything to ensure the maximum effectiveness of the fighting of the Ukrainian Armed Forces." According to Poroshenko, there is evidence of use from Russia, Grad multiple launch rocket systemsanti-aircraft missiles against our aircraft. “This takes the conflict to a completely different plane,” he stressed.

“We have direct and proven cases of the use of fire from Ukraine from the territory of the Russian Federation. There is video evidence, there are irrefutable calculations, evidence, satellite images, and other evidence base, ”Poroshenko said.

Poroshenko informed that on his instructions the General Staff is now planning a redeployment of troops. “We are changing tactics that will allow us to act qualitatively in conditions of direct involvement of the armed forces of foreign states,” he said.

“The decisive will of our people to win will necessarily lead to victory. This will happen due to the fact that for every citizen of Ukraine it will be his struggle for independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity. Then it will be easy to overcome everything - both economic difficulties and external aggression, ”Poroshenko emphasized.

[Thunderbolt]

With a fright? And who should they shoot at? Did the militia have aviation?
As for the "air traffic controller's diary" - it has already been established, this is a fake.

[Duke]

The likely target of the Ukrainian missile, which hit the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, could be the plane of the President of Russia, a source in the Federal Air Transport Agency reports. Board "number one" near Warsaw intersected with the Malaysian airliner at one point and at one echelon.
17 July 2014, 22: 12
The Boeing 777, flying the Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur flight, crashed in eastern Ukraine. On board were 280 passengers and 15 crew members.
A source in the Federal Air Transport Agency, with full confidentiality rights, told Interfax that there is a possibility that the target of the Ukrainian missile - ground or fired from a military aircraft - could be the plane of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“Board number one and the Malaysian Boeing 777 intersected at the same point and on the same level. This happened near Warsaw on the 330 level at an altitude of 10100 meters. Board number one was there in 16: 21 Moscow time, the Malaysian plane in 15: 44 Moscow time, ”the source explained. According to him, the contours of the aircraft are generally similar, the linear dimensions are also very similar, and the coloring at a fairly distant distance is almost identical.
Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/41332#ixzz37lI0FGyh

[Duke]

The history of the shot down by the Ukrainian missile Tu-154M
4 October 2001 year over the Black Sea was shot down a passenger plane Tu-154M airline "Siberia", performing the flight Tel Aviv-Novosibirsk. All 66 passengers and 12 crew members were killed.
This happened on the very day when the calculations of Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile systems C-200, C-300 at the Crimean Opuk training ground near Feodosia. C-125, Buk and Cube made practical launches towards the sea.
The assumption that one of these missiles shot down the unfortunate Tu-154M arose immediately. In response, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine immediately stated that their exercises in Crimea did not take place at all, were canceled. At that time, Kiev was let down by the CIA, which from satellite images determined that there was still shooting at aerial targets. It is possible that the CIA opened up and disclosed this information because the deceased airliner was not flying an internal Russian or Ukrainian flight, but flying from Tel Aviv.
Kiev generals had to back up. But not far. “Yes, we shot, but not at all where Tu-154M flew,” they kept saying as “Our Father”. And from this version have not receded a single step to this day.
To prove the opposite, the Ukrainian side argued, it was necessary to get from the seabed to every single piece of wrecked aircraft. And since this is impossible due to great depths, there is nothing to discuss. And there is no one to punish. This is the summary of the act drawn up by the Kiev Scientific Research Institute of Forensics, which investigated this tragedy.
In vain, Siberia Airlines filed lawsuits in Ukrainian courts. In vain did the relatives of the victims do the same. It was impossible for a principled Kiev court to consider the case for seven years. And he decided to refuse claims to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. Because the ends happily for Kiev fell into the water.
Read on: http://svpressa.ru/accidents/article/92847/

[nvv]

And here is an authoritative statement. Bezler is to blame for everything. The other day, he tried forshoot Avakov on Facebook. Unsuccessfully. And here he drew himself to the fullest.

[cosmos111]

Quote: crazyrom

Please do not put cons, I am sincerely afraid and suddenly the militias accidentally from Buka

accidentally Voeing, with the An-26 Ukrainian .. do not confuse ....

they shot down the dill, with their "Buk" air defense system .... AND IT WAS PLANNED ALL IN THE CIA ... UNDERSTANDING THEM .....
EVERYTHING IS PROFESSIONALLY MADE ... CHOSEN AND TIME AND PLACE ... and they write that the Boeing began to change course, namely over the DPR ....

this is a CIA provocation, with no options .... to blame Russia and the DPR, the LPR in everything .... they can’t start by military means ((according to the old American tradition, to spoil ... create provocations)))

[cosmos111]

here is the confirmation of my words ...

Today’s editor-in-chief, Yuriy Kotenok, doesn’t exclude the possibility that the provocation with the Malaysian Boeing, shot down in the sky over the Donbass, was prepared in advance in the interests of the regime illegally seizing power in Kiev ...... on the border with Russia, falling into a fire bag, the prospect of a military defeat of the Poroshenko regime was outlined. Deliveries of American body armor, flashlights, night vision devices and obsolete Iroquois-type helicopters will not save them anymore, ”the expert said. “The civilian airliner was destroyed in the no-fly zone declared by Kiev itself (!) In order to try to keep at least a part of Ukraine under the guise of some peacekeeping forces for Poroshenko and his absolutely illegitimate team.”

http://www.segodnia.ru/news/143444

and in the port of Odessa, 152-mm self-propelled guns "Dana" of Czech production, which are in service with the Polish Armed Forces, were unloaded and transferred by railway transport ...

It’s enough to recall the provocation with the South Korean Boeing in 1983 and the explosion of the plane over the Scottish Lockerbie, which Gaddafi was accused of. ”

TOTALLY AT THE CIA, THE RICH OUTLET IN SUCH DIRTY CASES ...

"the black soul dove of peace" gave the order to murder people in Boeing ....

[Horn]

The United States began all its wars with provocations. And Pearl Harbor, from which more or less standing ships were taken out in advance, and a provocation in the Gulf of Tonkin, and Grenadian students, and the notorious "Powell's test tube", and twin towers. The richest experience. Nothing brings a nation together like the blood of fellow citizens.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Horn

The United States began all its wars with provocations. And Pearl Harbor, from which more or less standing ships were taken out in advance, and a provocation in the Gulf of Tonkin, and Grenadian students, and the notorious "Powell's test tube", and twin towers. The richest experience. Nothing brings a nation together like the blood of fellow citizens.

Forgotten battleship "Maine" (USS Maine) blown up in Havana to unleash a war with Spain for its colonies in a new light ...

[Walker]

And where to read about pre-displayed vessels? Well at least not a ship. You are talking nonsense.

[krechet-1978]

Carriers removed from Pearl Harbor, fact.

[Horn]

Quote: Voker

And where to read about pre-displayed vessels? Well at least not a ship. You are talking nonsense.

Google banned you?

[svp67]

Quote: cosmos111

EVERYTHING PROFESSIONALLY MADE ... CHOSEN AND TIME AND PLACE ..

I disagree, it seems that they "screwed up" a little with the place of the fall, they would have it closer to our border, and ideally, in general, already on our territory ... and so, there are too many questions ..

[Nicanor]

You plus! You always need to remember the formula- AND WHO IS IT PROFITABLE?

[cosmos111]

Quote: Nicanor

think the formula, AND WHO IS IT PROFITABLE?

who benefits ???

fascinton and his stinky dogs, fascists from Kiev (((Russian city of Kiev, have to mention this scum ...)))))

[Nicanor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!!!!!!

[Zaslavsky-S]

In any case, 3.14 sy, must die!

[1812 1945]

Quote: cosmos111

this is a CIA provocation, with no options .... to blame Russia and the DPR, the LPR in everything .... they can’t start by military means ((according to the old American tradition, to spoil ... create provocations)))

There is not the slightest doubt. As there is no doubt that stupid, arrogant, with hands growing out of jo..py uk..ry did everything somehow - and both ... shit pindo .. Soviet provocation. As always. Self-determination is extremely harmful to such people! (Like psheks, however.) May the Lord rest the souls of the innocently killed!

[Vesnik]

Possibly aimed at Putin's "side".
Putin called Obama already ... knows who loved shooting ..
Dill shot, otherwise I would not have called .. "jamb" specific.

[krechet-1978]

Definitely! P and nd with the master on such tricks.

[papik09]

Quote: krechet-1978

Definitely! P and nd with the master on such tricks.

Only through the ass do everything. Ears stick out.

"The MAIN ORGAN of a person is the BACK. It takes part in everything: in treatment, teaching, education, decision-making. And in the search for adventure, she has no equal at all. Everyone, without exception, grows legs from there. Many have their hands growing from there, and some individuals think by it! And much that happens in our life is done through her! "

Found on the Internet a picture with this inscription. I think that this expression is appropriate. It covers a lot of things.

[vezunchik]

Moscow. July 17th. Interfax - The probable target of the Ukrainian missile hitting the Malaysian Boeing could be the plane of the Russian president, a source in the Federal Air Transport Agency believes.
The source, on the basis of complete confidentiality, told Interfax that there is a possibility that the target of the Ukrainian missile, either a ground-based one or fired from a military aircraft, could be the plane of the Russian president.

“I can say that board number one and the Malaysian Boeing crossed at the same point and on the same echelon. This happened near Warsaw at the 330th echelon at an altitude of 10100 meters. Board number one was there at 16:21 Moscow time, Malaysian plane - at 15:44 Moscow time, "- said the source.

"The contours of the planes are generally similar, the linear dimensions are also very similar, and as for the coloring, at a fairly distant distance, it is almost identical," the agency's interlocutor explained.

As reported, the Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 on a flight from Amsterdam (Netherlands) to Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) crashed on Thursday in eastern Ukraine. Onboard there were 280 passengers and 15 crew members.

[Pathfinder_II]

not the fact that passengers were generally on board at that moment.

[DPZ]

and those corpses that are shown on TV separately drove, right?

[Foxmara]

The cover of the British newspaper SUN on July 18 with the headline "Flight of MH17 was shot down in the sky by PUTIN'S ROCKET". Super-fast. And NATO troops are already in Odessa.

[Muadipus]

Ukrainians shot down a Boeing

17.07.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX. Statement by the LPR press service.

"Malaysian liner was shot down by a Ukrainian attack aircraft
The airspace over the Lugansk and Donetsk Republics is closed by the government of Ukraine.
Violation by the Malaysian airliner could occur for two reasons: 1) provocation by Ukraine; 2) dispatcher error.

According to regulatory acts, any ship must be shot down by the air defense of the country whose airspace it violated.

Eyewitnesses who watched the flight of a Boeing 777 passenger plane watched the attack by a Ukrainian Air Force attack aircraft. After that, the passenger plane split into two parts in the air and fell on the territory of the DPR. After the attack, the Ukrainian attack aircraft was shot down and fell on the territory of the LPR in the Krasny Luch region. At the moment, the search for the downed plane is underway. "

[Wedmak]

Eyewitnesses who observed the flight of a Boeing 777 passenger aircraft observed an attack on it by an attack aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force.

Debatable ... Hawkeye? To see at an altitude of 10 km how an airplane of 8 meters attacks (!!!) a 100 meter airliner ...

[Revolver]

Quote: Wedmak

Eyewitnesses who observed the flight of a Boeing 777 passenger aircraft observed an attack on it by an attack aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force.

Debatable ... Hawkeye? To see at an altitude of 10 km how an airplane of 8 meters attacks (!!!) a 100 meter airliner ...

And indeed the SU-25 is not a fighter, and its ceiling is 7000m.

[Wedmak]

And indeed the SU-25 is not a fighter, and its ceiling is 7000m.

Theoretically, I can get a rocket ...

[Andrew]

No options, shot down by a rocket

[pav71]

By the way, all the evidence. “A Spaniard who works as a dispatcher in Kiev wrote“ The B 777 plane flew accompanied by 2 Ukrainian fighters a minute earlier than disappeared from the radar

[Wedmak]

Aircraft B 777 flew, escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighters a minute earlier than disappearing from radar

Is there a confirmation?

[AK-74M]

7 km is a practical ceiling, which means it can take off even higher. In addition, the Su-25 is armed with an R-60 air-to-air missile with a range of 10 km.

[31231]

Ask the VAF our attack aircraft take air-to-air missiles in local conflicts. If there is no opposition from the top, why does the "goat accordion"?

[Muadipus]

Quote: 31231

Ask the VAF our attack aircraft take air-to-air missiles in local conflicts. If there is no opposition from the top, why does the "goat accordion"?

Take when you need to shoot down an air target

[dr.star75]

it’s not debatable, I checked it myself, KAMAZ can be seen from 10 km, and it is possible to determine the color, shape, etc.only P24 showed in the wreckage of the hole. what I noticed: passports without a speck of dust, everything shines! and even catching up: our passenger was supposed to fly along this route. Thought: Ukrainians should have shot down our plane, but the Boeing turned up ..

[Wedmak]

it’s not debatable, I checked it myself, KAMAZ can be seen from 10 km, and you can determine the color, shape, etc.

You have sharp vision visible. Highly. Owl straight.))

[dr.star75]

vision is not very good, in the lenses. I specifically checked one retired rlsnik, who claimed to have seen the plane at tea at 90 km (supposedly measured by radar). At 12 km the road was visible, then landing and bending.

[tomket]

the inversion should be from Drying and from MiG. MiG, so he generally smokes like a paravoz.

[Andrey NM]

In the distant 50s in Korea there was a question with the coloring of our MIGs. MIG-15 varnished in the sun visually illuminated at a distance of several tens of kilometers. After developing a masking color, this figure dropped sharply to 2-4 km, so anything is possible.

[DPZ]

on TV, when they showed the passports, they said that they all lay together in a separate package and it immediately seemed strange. decided that an organized group was flying, therefore, so.

[Muadipus]

Being under months of air raids, and you will not become so vigilant. fear will lock in and with binoculars you will look into the sky with cancer.

[serg. 555]

And eyewitnesses can’t have binoculars?

[cosmos111]

The CIA, did not regret their citizens ..

was on board according to

There were 23 US citizens on board the shot down plane, Bloomberg reports .......
According to eyewitnesses, "at a high altitude, the Su Air Force of Ukraine was behind the airliner."

http://www.segodnia.ru/news/143441

[Anper]

Quote: Muadipus

Eyewitnesses observing the flight of a Boeing 777 passenger aircraft observed an attack on it by an attack aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force

source http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/

The main thing.

1. There were 3 explosions in total.
2. 2 people with parachutes jumped out of a dying plane.
3. A Ukrainian plane was recorded leaving towards Debaltseve.

Received a broadcast recording with an eyewitness describing the details of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing here to register:
http://cassad.net/category/war/211-podrobnosti-gibeli-malaziyskogo-boinga.html

[Wedmak]

Does not open...

2 people jumped out of a dying plane with parachutes.

From a Boeing? It can not be.
If ukrolet left, where did the parachutes come from?

[31231]

It is believed that parachutes from one of the ukrolitaks shot down by the militia. The second is gone.

[kergudu straight]

Quote: Wedmak

Does not open...

2 people jumped out of a dying plane with parachutes.

From a Boeing? It can not be.
If ukrolet left, where did the parachutes come from?

What kind of nonsense? with 10000 m with a parachute from a Boeing, shiggle? So such a jumper on the fuselage with a thin layer will smear

[Wedmak]

So such a jumper on the fuselage with a thin layer smears

It will not smudge, but whether he will survive after the jump ... it’s cold there, however, and there isn’t much air.

[es.d]

Quote: Wedmak

From a Boeing? It can not be.
If ukrolet left, where did the parachutes come from?

If there were two Ukrainian escorted ?, then after the collision? - one and left. How is this version?

[Anper]

Quote: Wedmak

Does not open..

Or only through Google. Or just type in any Colonel Cassad search engine, LJ will open - and there you will find it.

[Pathfinder_II]

sort of like in GA pilots fly without parachutes, if they die, then with passengers together.

[My doctor]

Quote: Muadipus

Eyewitnesses who watched the flight of a Boeing 777 passenger plane watched the attack by a Ukrainian Air Force attack aircraft. After that, the passenger plane split into two parts in the air and fell on the territory of the DPR. After the attack, the Ukrainian attack aircraft was shot down and fell on the territory of the LPR in the Krasny Luch region. At the moment, the search for the downed plane is underway. "

What kind of provocation they couldn’t bring down a Boeing at a height, but they managed to get into a stormtrooper who shot down a Boeing.

[Dali]

What a provocation, firstly, the attack aircraft were shot down not at a height ...
secondly, actually, they say, it was a su-27 dill, and it can rise above bing, and above su24, su25 (ceiling 7000m) rise !!! Well, rockets and an attack aircraft can ...

[Muadipus]

Boeing’s route has been changed !!! Data for 14/07, 15/07, 16/07 and 17/07 (today) http://signor-antonio.livejournal.com/378722.html

17.07.14/XNUMX/XNUMX. The Boeing was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet.
We received a broadcast recording with an eyewitness describing the details of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing.

http://cassad.net/category/war/211-podrobnosti-gibeli.. - запись по ссылке

The main thing.
1. There were 3 explosions in total.
2. 2 people with parachutes jumped out of a dying plane.
3. A Ukrainian plane was recorded leaving towards Debaltseve.

Plus the testimony of the Spanish dispatcher.

Un contrôleur aerien espagnol basé à Kiev indique que l'avion était escorté par 2 avions de chasse ukrainien avant de disparaitre @spainbuca
✈ Carlos. @Spainbuca
El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, desaparecer de los radares,
9:48 - July 17, 2014
El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, desaparecer de los radares,
✈ Carlos. @Spainbuca
Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes, no lo derribo un caza
9:54 - July 17, 2014

http://mikhailosherov.livejournal.com/828306.html - пруф.

And here http://signor-antonio.livejournal.com/378722.html clearly shows how the Boeing's route was changed in order to bring it to slaughter.

Well, the ending of the story.

A Spanish dispatcher from Boryspil airport confirms that the Boeing was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet.

En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también
The radar contains all the data for unbelievers that the plane was shot down by Kiev, here we know about this and also - air traffic control.

https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489835522849009664 - пруф.

[222222]

Muadipus SU Today
http://mikhailosherov.livejournal.com/828306.html

[svp67]

Quote: crazyrom

Please do not put down the cons, I am sincerely afraid and suddenly the militias accidentally got from Buka,

The army of the DPR did not capture the Buki, so far only the army of the LPR has been able to do this, and then no more than a couple of installations that have not yet been fully put into operation ...

[tungus]

Quote: crazyrom

Please do not put down the cons, I am sincerely afraid and suddenly the militias accidentally got from Buka, thinking that it was a dill carrier.

The militia have beeches. About two weeks ago, there was information about the capture of an air defense unit. But all the Buki there were not working, as the junta itself declared. There is such a principle: look for someone who benefits. The situation with the Malaysian Boeing is not beneficial to the militias and is very beneficial to the junta and pen.dos, in the sense that the militias can be declared terrorists. After that, pend.dosy can start a military operation against the "terrorists" as the junta cannot cope. All this has already happened. The layout with the downed Korean Boeing is one to one. But in terms of today's realities, they somehow poorly calculated the position of Russia and a possible mixing up to ... I don't even know how far. If pen.dosy with sixes like Poland will introduce troops, then I do not exclude 3 MV. It was reported that Putin contacted Obama on this matter. I hope that the Negro has not yet fully formalized his brain, and he realized how everything could end.

[Oleg Sobol]

But was it not that "Boeing-777-200 board that disappeared without a trace" 3 months ago, the plane of the same Malaysian airlines suddenly surfaced ... Just in the subject ... What a gob, suddenly right now, to the Malaysian plane over the DPR to the side Russia to fly ... And by the number of "dead" passengers, everything coincides ...

[aniontcev]

Oleg, the idea is interesting! All the more information is passed that they saw two parachutists jump from the Boeing. Is it strange?

[DPZ]

do you think some kind of anomaly? as much goosebumps on your skin!

[Rusin Dima]

What to minus? The same thoughts torment me

[Andrew]

Then be tormented - do not be tormented, you need to find a black / red / box to the militias before ukrov, then everything will become clear. And God forbid that the box does not go to the Ukrainians, then no one will ever know the truth.

[Registrar]

1. The militia have "Buki", but they are out of order - the uk.VS took them out. They still cannot recover. These "Buki" are located in a completely different place from the crash site. I think an independent examination will soon confirm this.
2. This target is very difficult to shoot down with "Buk". Very difficult.
3. Let's remember 2001. Teachings of the "valiant" army of Ukraine. A civilian plane was shot down. Kuchma's lies to the whole world on TV: don't make this a tragedy ..
What cynicism! Self-confidence in impunity!
They paid money to the families of the victims, but did not apologize.
......
Read carefully info.

[izGOI]

Judging by the video, the downed An-26 flew at an altitude accessible to MANPADS.

[Eugeniy_369k]

Then info appeared
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g
No need to drive about installation.
Especially at the end the last replica killed .... Damn there 300 people ....

[ABV]

Quote: Eugeniy_369k

Then info appeared
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g
No need to drive about installation.
Especially at the end the last replica killed .... Damn there 300 people ....

yeah! no need to drive ... and ALL characters have a characteristic dill khovorok!
ps I do not put cons

[Eugeniy_369k]

Quote: ABV

yeah! no need to drive ... and ALL characters have a characteristic dill khovorok!

"At least with..y in the eyes of all the dew of God!"
And the "beech" in Torez, and the trace of the rocket, and the statements of Girkin-Strelkov about "some kind of Su" (just do not drive that the mail was hacked when it comes to the defeat of another detachment of Ukrainians, no one about misinformation or gu gu), and the subsequent substitution comments on the page "Girkin-Strelkov" all lies!
It was the Americans who set up everything, well, I can't be honest, law-abiding, etc. etc. DNR fighters fill up "Triple Seven"!
PSMy opinion, if they do not clean it up, they will also find parts of the rocket and the stigma in which factory it was made and in which military unit it was in storage.

[wasjasibirjac]

Quote: Eugeniy_369k

No need to drive about installation.
Especially at the end the last replica killed .... Damn there 300 people ....

we will not drive, but listening to the nonsense that these characters carry without laughter is impossible - the Cossacks at a checkpoint shot down the plane. Yes, at each S-300 checkpoint, or the Cossacks have a super trampoline and they are one Cossack to a height of 10 km. they abandoned it and chopped off the wing of the plane with a saber.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g

it's just a new govnovbros.

[Anper]

Quote: Eugeniy_369k

No need to drive about installation.

Most of all I liked the fact that comments on this video are disabled on YouTube.

[opus]

Quote: crazyrom

and suddenly the militia accidentally got from Buk, thinking that it was a Ukropsky transport worker. Here we have an article stating about the downed An-26

1.max. for An-26 = 7500, practical 5500 (something around, if not forgotten) = What should he do at such a height?
-Aerial photography 2500 (real) to 3500 m (maximum), landing (and cargo) then the same 1500

- according to some data, the Boeing-777 walked at a height of 10600 meters (an economical height for all passenger).
"miss" at 7-9000 m ECHELON? / it must be contrived "
2. The Security Service of Ukraine has published an audio recording on the Internet, which, according to security officials, recorded talks of militias discussing the crash of a civilian plane. According to the SBU, one of the recorded voices belongs to field commander Igor Bezler, known as Bes. Video labeled 17 July 2014, 16.20(and when the Boeing was shot down? - О: 18.07.14) The voice, which, according to the SBU, belongs to Bezler, reports to the interlocutor that a civilian aircraft, which "fell apart in the air in the area of ​​the Petropavlovskaya mine", was shot down from the Chernukhinsk blockade.
3. The crown of the militia was discovered today (18.07) at approximately 13: 00 local time in the village of Snow. In the composition of which, in particular, there was a truck tractor with a gun carriage, on which the Buk air defense missile system was transported. Coordinator of the Information Resistance group Dmitry Tymchuk announced this on his Facebook page.
And like Boeing was shot over Zugres
Snowy: 48 ° 01 ′ s. sh. 38 °46' at. d.
Zugres: 48 ° 01′05 ″ p. sh. 38 °15'22 ″ c. d.
Beech-M1 (9K37М1) affected area, km 25-35 km, HERE AND READ
4.The composition of the complex 9K37 "Buk-М1" (that would be full work)
KP 9С470М1
SOC 9C18M1 "Dome"
SOU 9А310М1
ROM 9А39М1
And what is the militia ?????? of this

[Andrey NM]

One angular minute - one nautical mile (1852 meters), in latitude the difference in coordinates is 31 angular minutes, i.e. 57 kilometers. Will not reach.

[opus]

Quote: Andrey NM

Not reach.

what am I talking about?
(Only Poroshenko and Yaytsenyukh can fantasize)
+

Quote: opus

. Composition of the 9K37 “Buk-М1” complex (that would work COMPLETELY)
KP 9С470М1
SOC 9C18M1 "Dome"
SOU 9А310М1
ROM 9А39М1

And what is the militia?
Only 9А39М1 !!!
And that ukropiteki stated that she was disabled HP on delivery.

[NOMADE]

Dear, don’t talk nonsense ... An - 2 (a maize with a piston engine flies above 2500 m.) Its practical ceiling is 7500 m. Http://www.airwar.ru/enc/craft/an26.html

[opus]

Quote: NOMADE

Dear, do not talk nonsense ... An - 2 (corn duster with a piston engine flies and even above 2500 m.)

caballero !!! are you not from Ukraine?
The conversation was about "above 2500m" or about ALTITUDE

Quote: opus

-Aerial photography

Quote: NOMADE

Its practical ceiling is 7500 m.

Quote: opus

Max. for An-26 = 7500,

let 5500 m be cruising ceiling .. WHAT IS IT CHANGING?

[NOMADE]

Before you minus, write that you have a ceiling of 2500 m., And do not change the text after that with a more detailed transcript of what you had in mind!

[opus]

Quote: NOMADE

Before minus, write that you and

1.Minuses did not set (never) and didn’t bet- not to me
2.WRITTEN (in Russian):

Quote: opus

-Aerial photography 2500 (real) to 3500 m (maximum)

Where is it more "to have vvmdu".
You just need to READ before writing:

Quote: NOMADE

bullshit do not speak..

[Thunderbolt]

Sherlock Holmes doesn't have to be here. Last night, militias announced a downed transporter in the area. Are there two planes crashed there? No, one. So, by mistake they shot down a Boeing. Everything is extremely simple and clear.

[opus]

Quote: Gromobik

. Everything is very simple and clear.

not easy and not understandable:
- what they shot down, what did the CO give, what did they accompany?
Beech they have, ONE, PU, ​​and it is necessary still 3 and

- What the militia (fulfilling the above conditions) could not distinguish the Boeing (carcass) from the AN-26?

Why did the dispatcher of Ukraine change the course of the Boeing (on the 300km to the north and the train \)?

- and why Ukraine, after 10 minutes, how Boeing disappeared - DID: BEATED !!!
It does not happen

[net abortion]

Obviously!
Why dill brought down a Boeing

Well, it’s clear that Boeing dill was shot down not by chance,
but quite consciously:
the plane flew through Ukraine,
he was led by all their services,
and take him for a militia plane
and accidentally knocking him down was impossible.

We are dealing with provocation
Ukrainian terrorist junta.

What is the meaning of this provocation?

1. It is clear that either the militia (which is more likely) or the Russian Federation will accuse the dill.

2. This will allow ukraine to blame the DPR army for terrorism and demand the involvement of international forces in the fight against the DPR terrorist organization.

3. The plane crashed in the combat zone, near Snezhny or Torez - that is, exactly where the militia is now destroying the southern group of kaklov. Under the pretext of an investigation, the Kakli will now demand to suspend the operation of the DPR army.


4. Kakly will try to suspend hostilities that are developing for them very unsuccessfully,
under international pressure on the DNI and LC.

But in general, it’s clear that the kakly themselves would not have decided on this provocation - it’s clear
what are behind this provocation
their much more powerful curators,
who will be able to present this provocation
in the right light and organize
international pressure on the DNI and LC.

Autumn is a provocation with the Korean Boeing during the time of Andropov.
One to one story repeats itself
the CIA has scripts for all occasions.
runo_lj17 July

[bmv04636]

they happen to have shot down our passenger TU-154 over the Black Sea during exercises. tactical missile point They have a five-story house breaking through the ceiling and it was all in peacetime and now there’s a war

[WKS]

Just now a message has flashed that this board and board # 1 with the Russian president at the same time "crossed" over Poland. Putin was a possible target.

[Combitor]

Quote: wks

A possible target was Putin.

“On the air of the Ukrainian TV channel 112.ua, the adviser to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko called the crash of the Boeing 777 Malaysian Airlines near Donetsk as Vladimir Putin’s response to US sanctions.
17 July 2014, 21: 58
"Yesterday, sanctions were imposed against the Russian Federation - this is his (Putin's) response to the sanctions that were introduced," the minister's adviser said on the air of the TV channel.>
The leaders of the junta generally did not have anything human in their souls. And another question, do these people even have souls?

[Wedmak]

The leaders of the junta generally did not have anything human in their souls.

There was no brain left either.

[asar]

dill "crossed" the Rubicon!

[izGOI]

I won’t say anything about souls, but there’s definitely no mind and conscience (especially mind).

[Vita_vko]

Notice how coincided. The landing of the Polish armed forces in Odessa with heavy weapons. And a passenger plane shot down by the junta to justify the intervention of a foreign army in the territory of the DPR.
It simply amazes the abomination and cynicism of the fascist feedings of the CIA who settled in Kiev. And after all, they were not afraid only 50 km from the border with Russia. But there surely Russia has a continuous radar field! Moreover, the transfer of control to the Russian dispatcher should have already taken place, if this plane was on request. I hope tomorrow the Russian Air Defense and Internal Affairs Directorate will work out objective monitoring materials and make an official statement.

[cosmos111]

Quote: Vita_vko

the transfer of control to the Russian dispatcher should have already taken place, if this aircraft was on request.

but the S-300 air defense radar is already deployed along the border ...
they saw everything ...
areas marked for brown are prohibited for flights, civilian airliners ... an order is in effect, since March ...
клик

[Simple]

Quote: cosmos111

areas marked for brown are prohibited for flights, civilian airliners ..

At http://www.flightradar24.com/ a couple of days ago I saw a passenger liner going over Donetsk.

[Oleg is simple]

This was announced at a meeting of the National Security and Defense Council by the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, reports UNN.

“On my instructions, the General Staff is now planning a redeployment of troops, we are changing tactics that will allow us to act actively in conditions of direct involvement of the armed forces of a foreign state, but this also requires significant separate decisions of the National Security and Defense Councils,” the President said.

[Rokossovsky]

I would like to hear the conclusion of experts, at the end of the study of the testimony of b / w and the transcript of negotiations with the dispatcher.
Of course, it is difficult to believe in such atrocities, even after 2 months of bombing of the civilian population, but how realistic is it to purposefully guide the aircraft to the desired point from the Kiev tower?

[Vita_vko]

Quote: Rokossovsky

but how realistic is it to purposefully lead the board to the desired point from the Kiev tower?

That they learned from the Americans. These in order to be a reason for the war in Iraq, they managed to bring their own Boeing even to skyscrapers in 2001, and one from a reversal, which not one ass is capable of.

[peter mechkaev]

Pupils ... only crap .. everything through their ass. They can’t bring down normally .. sushi how to cut off properly. A country captured by a pack of cattle with a fascist orientation.

[Wedmak]

but how realistic is it to purposefully lead the board to the desired point from the Kiev tower?

The echelon control priority is given to the dispatcher from the ground, if there are no signals of proximity or the dangerous proximity of the earth to aircraft systems.

[not main]

Quote: Rokossovsky

I would like to hear the conclusion of experts, at the end of the study of the testimony of b / w and the transcript of negotiations with the dispatcher.
Of course, it is difficult to believe in such atrocities, even after 2 months of bombing of the civilian population, but how realistic is it to purposefully guide the aircraft to the desired point from the Kiev tower?

What do you want to hear there? If this is a rocket and the crew did not see it, then there will be no information at all!

[Oleg is simple]

http://ru.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK

http://ru.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140716/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK

[222222]

herruvim (1) SU Today, 20:12 ↑
http://www.aisukraine.net/current/List_of_valid_NOTAM_jule_14.pdf

[Flex]

herruvim (1) SU Today, 20:12 ↑
Corresponding communication infrastructure has been destroyed in eastern Ukraine
Civil aviation flights in the airspace of Donetsk and Luhansk regions cannot be carried out, "since the corresponding communications infrastructure has been destroyed there." This was announced by a representative of the proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
all this does not apply to civil aviation — control in that area is carried out from Dnepropetrovsk with a communication range and radar coverage sufficient to the border of the Russian Federation
I repeat, there was a ban on flying ha to a height of 8km

[Fitter]

he flew there every day
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mh17#3d3d13f

[Wedmak]

There was information that our board was flying "next to" the Boeing. So, the Ukrainians are in the wrong place or what?

[nerd.su]

Quote: herruvim

The State Aviation Administration of Ukraine banned July 8

The ban concerned flights below 7900 m.

Quote: herruvim

Civil aviation flights in the airspace of Donetsk and Luhansk regions cannot be carried out, "since the corresponding communications infrastructure has been destroyed there." This was announced by a representative of the proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic.

Unfortunately, it seems like an excuse ... Like, we thought that the space was closed, so we shot.
Let's hope that this is still the Ukrainian military screwed up, as it once was over the Black Sea!
Yes, some repeat nonsense about Putin's plane. But, firstly, in Putin’s protection, there’s no fool, I hope they flew over Belarus. Secondly, if the Ukrainian flight controllers drove the plane, then they probably knew that it was a Malaysian plane, and not our N 1 board.
So either Bandera made a conscious provocation, or ...
In general, how successful for the USA this Boeing fell. Just in time for the discussion of sanctions against Russia in Europe.

In general, a sea of ​​versions, scope for conspiracy theories. Now, even if it turns out that it was actually a pilot error or a technical malfunction, no one will believe it.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Sid.74

In the area of ​​Donetsk, where the Malaysian plane crashed, a division of Buk self-propelled anti-aircraft missile systems was previously relocated by the Ukrainian armed forces.

all this resembles the situation with the Korean Boeing, and when you consider that in Ukraine Pindos are at home then ...
if tomorrow the Americans demand that the rebels be recognized as a terrorist organization everything will fall into place

[Tron]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

all this reminds a situation with the Korean Boeing

And now add to this new sanctions against the Russian Federation and we get a very fig situation. The US is in a hurry to a new cataclysm.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

tomorrow according to the statement of the maxim it will become clear
the main thing is that the commission on the disaster should be represented including by Russian specialists

[gfs84]

tomorrow according to the statement of the maxim it will become clear

Already chatting:

The Presidents of Russia and the United States, Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama, during a telephone conversation, discussed the plane crash in Ukraine. Also, the leaders of the two countries touched upon such topics as the situation in Ukraine, the resumption of consultations of the contact group with the participation of representatives of southeast Ukraine. An exchange of views also took place on the situation in the Middle East, according to the Kremlin’s official website.

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2527262

We wait...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: gfs84

Already chatting:

the main thing is that this monkey will say tomorrow

[nycsson]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the main thing is that this monkey will say tomorrow

He will say that the Russians shot him down, so what else ?!

[tol100v]

Quote: gfs84

We wait...

We wait, until the first ...

[tol100v]

Americans, not even understanding the catastrophe they staged, will stupidly go towards their goal - unleashing a full-scale war on the European continent! After all, they are one hundred percent grave without war! And for provocations, old clichés from the times of Goebbels are used, such as "WAR WITH POLAND". USA must be DESTROYED!

[tasey]

I agree ... US SHOULD BE DESTROYED.

[Kerzhak]

That's right, the Ukrainian army already shot down a passenger plane. She doesn’t get used to it.

[Ujin61]

It is not clear what kind of anxiety. According to the dill SMD, the Boeing fell on the territory controlled by the LPR. That means they won’t get the black boxes and they will not hide the truth. We must be patient.

[Lukich]

Quote: Ujin61

That means they will not get the black boxes and will not hide the truth. Patience must be kept.

already reported that the black boxes of the militias.

[alexey garbuz]

They will say that Russia rigged the facts of deciphering ChYa.

[Wedmak]

Collecting the remains of an airplane will show what happened to the airplane.

[222222]

http://vk.com/strelkov_info

[My doctor]

Quote: Ujin61

it is unclear what kind of anxiety. According to the dill SMD, the Boeing fell on the territory controlled by the LPR. That means they won’t get the black boxes and they will not hide the truth. We must be patient.

And what do you think, dear, who has the equipment and, most importantly, the authority to open these boxes. Russia does not have rights to participate in the commission of inquiry. The plane was not produced in Russia and did not belong to Russia, it also crashed not in the airspace of Russia and there were no Russian citizens on board, and from this we can conclude that Russia only learns about the decryption of the records when the commission for the investigation of the incident publishes the materials.

[regsSSSR]

Quote: MyVrach

Quote: Ujin61

it is unclear what kind of anxiety. According to the dill SMD, the Boeing fell on the territory controlled by the LPR. That means they won’t get the black boxes and they will not hide the truth. We must be patient.

And what do you think, dear, who has the equipment and, most importantly, the authority to open these boxes. Russia does not have rights to participate in the commission of inquiry. The plane was not produced in Russia and did not belong to Russia, it also crashed not in the airspace of Russia and there were no Russian citizens on board, and from this we can conclude that Russia only learns about the decryption of the records when the commission for the investigation of the incident publishes the materials.

Well, right, so no
where he fell and boxes
here is info from the default
MILESIANS WILL TRANSFER TO MOSCOW ON-BOARD SELF-RECORDERS OF THE MALAYSIAN BOING
http://dnr-news.com/dnr/1522-opolchency-peredadut-v-moskvu-bortovye-samopiscy-ma


layziyskogo-boinga.html

[FunkschNNX]

By the way, they already have experience in shooting airliners, I remember they flunked a large carcass with a bunch of Jews on board.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Фкенщь13

I remember they flunked a large carcass with a bunch of Jews on board.

There were PEOPLE on board, not a bunch ...

[FunkschNNX]

On the same site, people rejoice when Strelkov kills dozens of Ukrainian soldiers (for the most part, conscripts and reservists) in dozens of times and doesn’t touch anyone's vulnerable soul. Or who decides where people are and where dill is (although I myself call them that, but not in the case of the dead, of course).

[Wedmak]

kills Ukrainian soldiers

These soldiers kill civilians. From guns and MLRS. Something I do not have touching feelings for them.

[FunkschNNX]

Strelkov is doing exactly the same thing now, they bombed the Ukrainian army from the MLRS, and they were not sitting in the open field waiting for him. How many civilians will there be? Although we do not know, and when we find out it will be too late to understand. And yes, in the militia, volunteers and soldiers of fortune, but in the army there are forced conscripts and reservists.
Well, God willing, we will live to see the day when history gives a fair assessment of these events.

[Wedmak]

Strelkov is doing exactly the same thing now, they bombed the Ukrainian army from MLRS, and they were not sitting in the open field waiting for him.

Where did Strelkov bomb civil buildings from the MLRS? Only in the field swept ukrov, stupidly camped there.

And yes, in the militia, volunteers and soldiers of fortune, but in the army there are forced conscripts and reservists.

In the militia, people who did not want to fight, but who wanted their opinion to be taken into account. In the army, most of course fooled, but there are ideological fascists. Fooled sorry, no ideological.

[FunkschNNX]

Quote: Wedmak

Where did Strelkov bomb civil buildings from the MLRS?

The fact that they won’t show this on ORT is understandable, but we are adults and we understand that 5000 people in the open field are nonsense. Did they live in tents ??? Of course not, rather they are located in settlements, closer to roads, water, infrastructure. Moreover, everything is pretty densely built up, every few kilometers. some farm.

[Wedmak]

You are rubbing some rubbish. What 5 thousand? What settlements? There were photos, in the open field there is a burnt equipment.

[not main]

Quote: Фкенщь13

Quote: Wedmak

Where did Strelkov bomb civil buildings from the MLRS?

The fact that they won’t show this on ORT is understandable, but we are adults and we understand that 5000 people in the open field are nonsense. Did they live in tents ??? Of course not, rather they are located in settlements, closer to roads, water, infrastructure. Moreover, everything is pretty densely built up, every few kilometers. some farm.

You are talking heresy! 5000 is cool, but even 500 is easier to place in tents and full security than to place in a city hall. Moreover, it is summer! No more than two weeks left for the blitzkrieg!

[Cristall]

Quote: Фкенщь13

On the same site, people rejoice when Strelkov kills dozens of Ukrainian soldiers (for the most part, conscripts and reservists) in dozens of times and doesn’t touch anyone's vulnerable soul. Or who decides where people are and where dill is (although I myself call them that, but not in the case of the dead, of course).

Yes you are right, here everyone is clearly divided into "ours" and not ours.
Therefore, all Ukrainians are automatically enemies, all our heroes. They are not mistaken and everything is good with them, everything is bad with the "enemies" and therefore they kill everyone (classic of the genre)
How many wrote that Ukrainians are killing Ukrainians and, incidentally, other peaceful Ukrainians, and there is nothing joyful here, but it seems that VO is slipping into "censonet's marasmus"

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Cristall

Therefore, all Ukrainians are automatic enemies, all of our heroes.

everything is in order with the head, there have been no injuries lately ?!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Фкенщь13

On the same site, people rejoice when Strelkov kills dozens of Ukrainian soldiers (for the most part, conscripts and reservists) in dozens and doesn’t touch anyone's vulnerable soul.

after a guy picks up a weapon he automatically goes into another category and cleanliness in this situation is the top of moronism

[Navuxonastupil]

The plane was OUR! Such statements are very similar to bestiality!

[tasey]

Look at the nickname. It’s impossible to digest. So why talk to him?

[FunkschNNX]

Those. when the Ukrainian plane shot down is a holiday? Not necessarily you personally, on this site it’s considered good form to praise the militias for the killing of Ukrainians or plus an article about a crashed American plane. For me, this is much more bestiality than simply a bunch of people just a bunch of people.

[Penzyac]

Quote: Фкенщь13

Those. when the Ukrainian plane is shot down this holiday? ... on this site is considered a good form to praise the militias for the killing of Ukrainians ...

On this site, it is considered good form to praise the militias for revenge against the murderers of civilians, and it does not matter who these murderers are: Ukrainians, Poles, Swedes or Americans! This is not a "censor" on which the Ukrainians rejoiced at the tragedy in the Moscow metro and the death of innocent people.

[Cristall]

Quote: PENZYAC

This is not a "censor" on which the Ukrainians rejoiced at the tragedy in the Moscow metro and the death of innocent people.

here the Russians rejoice in similar events .. and nothing .. conscience rests.
What's better than "no censor"? So far, only because there are more people who are adequate, but they are rapidly being replaced by "censornet"

[CTEPX]

Quote: Фкенщь13

Fskenshch13 (1) Yesterday, 20:36 ↑ New
By the way, they already have experience in shooting airliners, I remember they flunked a large carcass with a bunch of Jews on board.

Quote: Cristall

here the Russians rejoice in similar events .. and nothing .. conscience rests.

Are such Russians happy here? How are you?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Well, and who rejoices in the deaths of almost 300 people? !!
what stupidity ?!

[Dali]

Cristall-naya ... Links and evidence to the studio ...

Yes, and that, dill, you hide behind the USSR flag ... you are not worthy of it !!!

[Lukerya Weaver]

Yes, a holiday! The holiday is because this plane will no longer bomb civilians.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Фкенщь13

or plus an article about a crashed American plane

and what has the American hit already ?!
By the way, and who rejoices in the dead people aboard the MALASIAN plane ?!

[Neksel]

Quote: Фкенщь13

By the way, they already have experience in shooting airliners, I remember they flunked a large carcass with a bunch of Jews on board.

A heap is how, in relation to people? there were not a few of your citizens, by the way.

[FunkschNNX]

What are you attached ??? A lot is a lot, this is exactly the meaning I put into this word, you have already thought up the rest.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you need to think when, where and what you put in

[Dali]

Fkensh13 is not really our citizen ... it's u_k_rop's

[FunkschNNX]

Dali is it in honor of the artist? Well then it’s clear, he also had a headache.

[Registrar]

I wish your family members who died in 2001 read your words. Ram!

[222222]

http://uos.ua/produktsiya/tehnika-pvo/73-kap-remont-i-modernizatsiya-zenitnogo-r
aketnogo-kompleksa-kvadrat-do-kvadrat-2d

[sssla]

Quote: Sid.74

Ukraine previously relocated the Bukov division to the fall area of ​​the Malaysian Boeing

The version about the rocket being shot down is certainly interesting But if this is a provocation and don’t go to the fortuneteller there is a version even more interesting about mining the liner in advance And there are rumors about whether this is the liner that disappeared a little earlier over the Indian okyan ?????

[Wellych]

The version about rocket shooting is of course interesting

Interest does not add to credibility. Now you need to fight off the dogs already prepared for the canopy over the new Russians and Russia.
That's just to investigate, you need to stop the fighting in that area. Just what ukrovoyak needs.

[Lukich]

Quote: sssla

And there are rumors about whether this is the liner that disappeared a little earlier over the Indian Ocean ?????

Yes. and suddenly appeared. and now everyone wonders whose plane it fell in the outskirts

[tol100v]

The version is interesting, but it should be voiced by the CANDLES!

[SRC P-15]

Here is my spring comment on this topic:
SRC P-15 SU March 16, 2014 18:21 | The results of the week. “Bonjour to you in your hut”
Quote: v53993
Speaking of airplanes. It would not have turned out that the Boeing that disappeared was stolen specially so that it would later appear over the territory of Crimea or Russia, in the hope that our air defense would bring it down. Then the West will come off to us in full, introducing us to the whole world as an aggressor. How do you like this paranoid point of view? I hope I am mistaken in my suspicions, but everything is too clean with this Boeing. In advance I am preparing to add up the cons. recourse

[K-50]

Is it that he got there six months? nifigasebe, I still understand the water like a dry land, but on foot in the sky I do not understand

[Alexan]

So they used the fact of the captured "Buks" that did not shoot, but there was a lot of noise. Plus the AN-26 shot down in the same area. It's good if he was actually shot down, and not the same target. This can be fanned into a big fire. Who will be made guilty in advance is clear!

[Wellych]

between Shakhtersk (where the Boeing is) and Torez (where the An) is 20 km.

[Alexan]

On the outskirts of Torez, some of the Boeing passengers fell, so everything is nearby

[Қarabas]

Quote: Alexan

Well, if he was actually shot down, and not the same target

On the Internet there are photos of this downed AN
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1325017

[Alexan]

This is a post about another one shot down a few days ago. It's about today.

[Қarabas]

Really? Date July 17th. It tells about two AN-26: today's and shot down on July 14

[Donskoi]

It seems that there is still - a statement by Korotchenko
http://warfiles.ru/64186-korotchenko-snbo-ukrainy-lzhet-chto-vvs-rf-sbili-ukrain
skiy-su-25.html

at the end is just about Buki
Provocation to the whole world. Now the amersky information machine will do its dirty job

[avt]

Quote: Motors1991

.And about Buki today at the forum they boasted that they were armed with bandits.

And the ykropny command happily reported that they had thrown their "Buks" into the ATO zone to prevent Russian air aggression. Maybe dear Kuchma, you will remember when our scheduled Tu-154 was shot down, but he refused - not our "Moskal missile" until they strained their nose not stuck into the wreckage. So wait and rejoice - it's not over yet. Or do you think - now the common people will fit in for you, since the GDP refuses to introduce the regular Russian army?

[Motors1991]

I’ll add that today I’ve talked with a friend from Stakhanov, so he said that Ukrainian planes, after the downed AN-26, DO NOT fly.

[Alexan]

There was already a message about the continuation of bombing and new downed "dryers". They do not coincide in time: AN - during the day, Boeing - in the evening.

[FunkschNNX]

Russia seems to have its own "Censor.net", there are only two opinions: 1) the militias are always right, they don't rob, they don't kill civilians even by accident
and 2) erroneous
I'm talking about your minuses. Nothing has been investigated yet, but everyone has already decided on an opinion.

[Wedmak]

Well, as if the militias declare their help in the investigation of the incident. But dill already call NATO to strike and give them the latest weapons. Well, who after that?

[FunkschNNX]

And what else could they say in such a situation ??? Strelkov today boasted about a downed transporter, about the same there, about the same time. I do not sympathize with Ukrain, but I really hope that the culprit of this tragedy will be severely punished. If this happens to be militias, then Russia should reconsider its cooperation with them, at least excommunicate from modern weapons; if hands grow from where all legs come from, then no rockets and tanks, let them get out with Kalash. If the Ukrainians valnul Boeing, it is natural for them to break off their hands to the very balls.
Only the investigation will give an answer.

PS On YouTube, I watched videos from the crash site, the locals were very happy, they didn’t care who hit anyone there, how many random people died there. Extremely unpleasant impression. Somehow, at one moment, it became much worse, became one of them.

[Wedmak]

I quote the clarification:
"17.07.14. From the Public Administration.
!!! WARNING !!!
Information about the downing of the plane was taken from a forum where local residents and militias communicate. At the time of publication, all users thought that another AN-26 of the Kiev Nazis was shot down and the post about the downing, duplicated by us, was already walking in full on many publics of the anti-Maidan movement. Igor Ivanovich Strelkov did not confirm information about the destruction of the aircraft. We remind you that in our public messages Strelkov I.I. are published with a special banner "STRELKOV REPORTS". We collect all other messages from open sources, as well as from the diaries of militias and eyewitnesses of the events. STRELKOV himself WRITES ONLY ONE SINGLE FORUM, we only duplicate his messages here, ALWAYS accompanying them with a SPECIAL BANER. If there is no banner, then such a message is NOT from Strelkov, but from open sources. "
That is, it was the local one who thought that the next An-26 was shot down, but it turned out ... And the shooters did not confirm this.

[sssla]

Quote: Фкенщь13

Somehow, at one moment, it became much worse, became one of them.

You are my friend, and before that, judging by your poison

[FunkschNNX]

Before that, I even sent them money, now I will slow down, until the circumstances are clarified.

[Alexan]

Quote: Фкенщь13

I watched videos from the crash site on YouTube, the locals were very happy,

Be truthful: the video rejoices in the village when no one else knew what was hit. For militias, a downed plane is a victory, albeit a small one. Only dill can rejoice in a civilian, as they rejoiced in the burnt in Odessa, those who died in Lugansk or the Moscow metro! Do not confuse moral mentality! We do not rejoice in the alien grief, we even regret the captured boys ... even though they deserve it ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Фкенщь13

Strelkov today boasted about a downed transporter, about the same there, about the same time.

"respected" do not be like morons from various icteric sites
if we are talking about the fact that the militias suddenly had specialists for managing beech vehicles, then I think the speed is 435 km (AN 26) from 905 (Boeing777), and the height is 7300 from 10000
stop for a second and think

[sssla]

Quote: Wedmak

Nothing has been investigated yet, but everyone has already decided on an opinion

The most interesting thing is that such early opinions are always almost true.

[Penzyac]

Quote: Фкенщь13

Russia seems to have its own "Censor.net", there are only two opinions: 1) the militias are always right, they don't rob, they don't kill civilians even by accident
and 2) erroneous
I'm talking about your minuses. Nothing has been investigated yet, but everyone has already decided on an opinion.

Have you not decided yet?

[FunkschNNX]

Quote: PENZYAC

Have you not decided yet?

With the attitude to the forum - yes.
With the incident - I will wait for the investigation.

[Cristall]

Quote: Фкенщь13

Russia seems to have its own "Censor.net", there are only two opinions: 1) the militias are always right, they don't rob, they don't kill civilians even by accident
and 2) erroneous
I'm talking about your minuses. Nothing has been investigated yet, but everyone has already decided on an opinion.

don’t look at the minus - as a rule, either Ukrainians or critics get minus here. And if the critic is Ukrainian, then a priori he will never be right.
Surprisingly your comment coincided with mine a little higher ...
but I’ve been writing about Rosicensornet for a long time ...

[FunkschNNX]

Quote: Cristall

and VO falls deeper and deeper

Wow, sad :-(

[Dali]

And you turn on your brain, at least sometimes ... maybe then it will become clear why they are minus.

In the meantime, there was no real evidence from you, you cannot even analyze factual information normally.

Here an hour ago, the twitter of the dispatcher (Spaniard) of Kivsky was available, and now everything is covered up by p_in_dodo_sy ...

By the way, there are already a lot of posts about this, well, at least read it.

I also managed to make a couple of screenshots from his Twitter page !!!

[FunkschNNX]

About your brain answered above.
There is no information from anyone, but there is from you.

[sssla]

Quote: Cristall

as a rule, either Ukrainians or critics get minus here.

If your criticism is with gossip in your bosom, then yes, you don't care. And if the constructive is not out of the finger, then as our "friends" Wellcome say) Well, what is deeper and deeper than the fall IN so you probably hang upside down here and it seems drop at VO)))

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Фкенщь13

Nothing has been investigated yet, but everyone has already decided on an opinion.

just folding two and two is very simple
first, even assuming that the militia captured the beech in working condition, where they found specialists, you just don’t have to say that you quickly realized what and how
second why the hell did they need a civilian Boeing?
the third banderlog is just the direct benefit of the downed board - to recognize militias as terrorists (officially)
as an alternative, let the hypothetical be confused with the aircraft GDP.

principle, look for someone profitable as with shooting on the Maidan, I think just about this case

[FunkschNNX]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

just folding two and two is very simple

Let's add:
1) Militiamen have beeches
2) you yourself remember how military units almost in full force turned into a militia, so that the militia could also have trained calculations, + former military personnel with the corresponding military academy.
3) Ukrainians could bring down only on purpose; for they know for sure that the militias have nothing but the Su-25 (the target parameters are fundamentally not the same, at least in height and speed), while Russian planes could be expected from the east or from the north, but certainly not from the depths of Ukraine. + they have a network of radars and air defense and civilian (the militias do not, so they can not accurately identify the aircraft).
4) but the militias see something big, at a height, flies from Ukraine, yeah - the Ukrop Il-76, they could well have fallen apart.
So we must wait for the outcome of the investigation.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Фкенщь13

but the militias see something big, at a height, flies from Ukraine, yeah - the Ukrop Il-76, they could well have fallen into disrepair.

that is, initially you think the militias ?!
again, given your assumption of the presence of professional operators in the West Coast, they could clearly assume a passenger plane.

[FunkschNNX]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

that is, initially you think the militias ?!

No, in no case do I think so, I am waiting for the conclusion of competent people. But I believe that such a jamb is much more likely from less experienced and worse equipped (in terms of intelligence, radar, etc.); whatever one may say, but an army is an army, dill without a specific order would not be a bullet. There is certainly hope for the curvature and dizziness of dill, but very weak.

[sssla]

Quote: Фкенщь13

4) but the militias see something big, at a height, flies from Ukraine, yeah - the Ukrop Il-76, they could well have fallen apart.

Dear, have you ever seen a flying plane at an altitude of 10 m with the naked eye ??? I watch them every single day, the airway is above me or the corridor to anyone you like! I’m not special, but I can distinguish 000 motorized 2 Boeing from IL-777 transporter with FOUR engines !!! And if I take my 76-fold Soviet binoculars, I can also distinguish the color of the stripes on the fuselage! And if it’s 8 times, and if it’s 20 times, and so on, then it’s mona and read whose plane !!! And in general, the flight tracker to help you tovarisch)))

[FunkschNNX]

Quote: sssla

you generally saw a flying plane at an altitude of 10 m with the naked eye

Those. with binoculars they were looking for a target ??? I'm afraid to ruin your picture of the world, but missiles are not sighted visually.

[serioga]

even as they fly, it was impossible to mix Ukrainian aviation flights with a passenger airliner early this morning Yes, they don’t fly over Donetsk and Lugansk and you can hear in the south almost every morning, the locals say that they go north

[vladkavkaz]

Motors1991
Well, of course, the dill of the Air Force does not fly, Martians fly. And they bomb, not dill, but Martians.
And hundreds die in the boilers, not dill, but cockroaches. And the hail that threshes terrorists from the national squadron battalions is not hail, but Dust, which is chased by cockroaches ..

[asar]

Yes of course! These are paper airplanes - origami "soar"! All of you "Star-struck"! I asked you to blow with VO!

[pensioner]

Quote: Motors1991

I’ll add that today I’ve talked with a friend from Stakhanov, so he said that Ukrainian planes, after the downed AN-26, DO NOT fly.

W means what you have friends ... Well ... It's time to bring down my dear ...

[sssla]

Quote: retired

Quote: Motors1991
I’ll add that today I’ve talked with a friend from Stakhanov, so he said that Ukrainian planes, after the downed AN-26, DO NOT fly.
W means what you have friends ... Well ... It's time to bring down my dear ...

Yes, fly yet do not drive nonsense. Why say that ???
Yes, I personally observe these gentlemen as they plow the vast expanses of the great air force Akiyan !!!

[Penzyac]

Quote: Motors1991

I’ll add that today I’ve talked with a friend from Stakhanov, so he said that Ukrainian planes, after the downed AN-26, DO NOT fly.

A good source of information, and why not grandmother at the entrance? Ukrainians are masters of the language of tales grind.

[Hort]

Old refuted, because This is one of Strelkov's admirers who showed his initiative

[svp67]

Quote: Motors1991

Kiss him in the ass now.

What can I say, there is only one thing - Ukraine has succeeded in this Lately so that ... You are the first in the world in this "sport" ... "The USA's ass has already been licked to shine ..."

[Wedmak]

"USA's ass has already been licked to shine ..."

I agree, polished to a nanoscale.

[Zaslavsky-S]

For YOU gangsters. For US RUSSIAN !!! Are you killing Russians !? ...................... woe to you !!

[Saratovets]

Bandits in Kiev are sitting, and in the Donbass are real Russian People!

[serioga]

First question - What did a passenger plane do in the war zone, and even escorted by Ukrainian aviation? monitored the space, where did the parachutes come from? There is such a pattern - if passenger planes fall in the war zone, mattresses need this for provocation, but judging by the fact that Ukrainian licking can’t tear themselves away from the American train, then this is also to them

[balyaba]

Text translation:
Ukraine - Information from Petro Poroshenko
Today 17.07.2014 Ukrainian army shot down a terrorist plane over Shakhtinsky. 280 terrorists who arrived from Russia were killed ...
Further it is not interesting ...

[tchoni]

yeah, or 200. zhovto-blakitnyh such an episode was already. (Tu-154 over the Black Sea, if not mistaken.)

[zennon]

Quote: tchoni

zhavyt-blakitnyh such an episode was already. (Tu-154 over the Black Sea, if not mistaken.)

You are not mistaken. On October 4, 2001, over the Black Sea, the S-200 air defense missile system was shot down by a Tu-154M, board number RA-85693 of Siberia Airlines, performing flight 1812 on the Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk route. Dill, with their usual donkey stubbornness, continue to assert that they are out of business , although they found the liner lining with holes from steel balls, they were stuffed with the C-200 warhead. Siberia Airlines did not pay a dill. At the same time, compensation was paid to the victims. After all, the Jews concerned, the fuss will not end up. money, but it's not my fault.

[Evgeniy.]

These freaks then back into the asphalt should

[swan]

Let's be objective.
In the city of Donetsk there is a high-frequency air defense with beeches
http://wikimapia.org/19236597/ru/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B
0%D1%8F-%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C-A-1402-%D0%9F%D0%92%D0%9E
Here are pictures of beeches in this treble.
http://ukrafoto.com/reportages.php?id=12330&photo=212658
But this HF is adjacent to the airport, which, it seems, is still being held by Ukrainian troops. Xs shorter, so do not figure it out. Ukrainian Buki was also seen in the Southeast.

[Dali]

We say we will be objective ...
And where is your objectivity ?!

Where is your objectivity?
1) Where is the analysis of the state of this treble now (and not then ...)? !!!
2) Where is the analysis of how Buk is used? !!!!
3) Where is the analysis, who today has qualified personnel in order to use the Beech?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh ...

You are at least a provocateur ... without this !!!

[typhoon7]

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine has already asked NATO to help them against New Russia. Although the figure is not large, this is only the beginning.

[Wedmak]

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine has already asked NATO to help them against New Russia.

It's too early ... but what about the hysteria in the media and furious propaganda?

[FunkschNNX]

This flight is regular and on Monday it went much farther south, but today for some reason its route has changed:

[FunkschNNX]

...............

[ultra]

Quote: Sid.74

. The militias do not and cannot have such weapons.

The militia have at least one Buk missile launcher, videos and photos have been online, so anything can be done. Let's wait for the situation to be clarified.

[AK-74M]

"Buki" from the militia and they, and ukrami declared incapable of combat, and prepared calculations from the militias are not.

[Alexan]

I can't find it, but I read from Strelkov that the Buk is not working properly. And there is no point in using it: firstly, it is difficult to use, and secondly, the targets are in the lower echelons.

[izGOI]

Anyone in the know, please explain one thing to me. Why Piglet introduces Buki to Donbass? You can, of course, shoot down your planes, you can shoot down some other accidentally flown Boeing, we can assume that the only Rook of the LPR scared him so. If Piglet thinks to defend against the Russian Air Force, then these Buki, in which case, will be destroyed even before the aircraft take off.
Maybe I don’t know (well, I’m not an air defense officer), but what if Buki are suitable for hitting ground targets. In the Second World War, sometimes they hit tanks from anti-aircraft guns, but about missiles, so universal (both ground and air) have never been heard. Or is Pig already so inadequate that he is ready to "fight with a submarine in the steppe"?

[NOMADE]

Not so long ago, Strelkov, said that there is information about the impending major provocation against Russia. Apparently, this downed plane is a provocation .. Perhaps they planned to bring down directly at the border with Russia, but what went wrong. Lt parts, this can confirm that the Americans immediately said that they have satellite photos, they say with captured missile launches !!! Some kind of nonsense, they can’t find the last Malaysian Boeing with the participation of many countries! And here - on and immediately the pictures. This is a provocation, pure water. But innocent people die! .. I hope that all the same there were no real living people (passports are all new), although information is received about the found fragments of the bodies of 100 people ... (

[Nayhas]

Quote: Sith Lord

Powerful artillery installations, staff buses and trucks arrived in the Odessa port for shipment to Donbass

Have you ever seen a map of Europe? Poland has no access to the Black Sea! Why the hell to carry the sea when hundreds of kilometers of the common border with Ukraine and a bunch of roads?

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Nayhas

Have you ever seen a map of Europe? Poland has no access to the Black Sea! Why the hell to carry the sea when hundreds of kilometers of the common border with Ukraine and a bunch of roads?

Can they get it from the east?
Although I never heard about the use of howitzers by the Polish contingent, I did not hear!

[svp67]

Quote: serega.fedotov

Although I never heard about the use of howitzers by the Polish contingent, I did not hear!

The Poles used several howitzers of this type in Afghanistan ...

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: Nayhas

Quote: Sith Lord

Powerful artillery installations, staff buses and trucks arrived in the Odessa port for shipment to Donbass

Have you ever seen a map of Europe? Poland has no access to the Black Sea! Why the hell to carry the sea when hundreds of kilometers of the common border with Ukraine and a bunch of roads?

I know the map and am also surprised, that's why I wrote "there are questions" I would understand if they dived to transfer to Mariupol, and then there was unloading.

You’re making claims against me like I live in Odessa, and I reported this news.
Amsterdam and Malaysia are also not on this line, but the Boeing "777" flew for some reason through the DPR.

[Alex20042004]

Not, but they are afraid that they will plunder along the way.

[max2215]

Airplanes and ocean-going vessels go long distances along an arc of a large circle, the shortest distance between points, if you pull a thread on the globe, the route between Amsterdam and Malaysia will just pass over Ukraine, but not necessarily over the DPR

[svp67]

Quote: Sith Lord

to throw in Mariupol,

And here there would be even more questions, since they could only go through the Sea of ​​Azov through the Kerch Strait, that is, the territory of Russia ...

[WS]

I think the water is cheaper to throw

[ATATA]

Quote: WS

I think the water is cheaper to throw

Around the whole of Europe?
Well, yes, a rabid dog of 7 miles is not a hook.

[Petrix]

Quote: ATATA

Well, yes, a mad dog of 7 miles is not a hook

This is a military trick. They didn’t wait from where. Suddenly

[tol100v]

For water, it’s cheaper to write it off! Storm s!

[siberalt]

Yes. I would like to clarify, but how did the Poles get to Odessa by water through the Pacific or Atlantic?

[shuhartred]

Quote: siberalt

Yes. I would like to clarify, but how did the Poles get to Odessa by water through the Pacific or Atlantic?

If they are really there, then no matter how they got there, you need to think what to do. If this is a fake, then all the more without a difference.

[serioga]

I haven’t heard anything yet, when armored vehicles are driving in Odessa, everyone is standing on their ears, even with gossip, but there was infa

[svp67]

Quote: Nayhas

Have you ever seen a map of Europe? Poland has no access to the Black Sea!

Here the question is also not simple, such self-propelled guns were once delivered to Georgia, now where are they interesting?

[Russ69]

Quote: svp67

Now where are they interesting?

Something remained, one burned down, one was captured ...

[svp67]

Quote: Russ69

Something remained, one burned down, one was captured ...

But

in the period before May 2008, at least 24 Dana self-propelled guns (from the Czech Republic) and 7 Suzanne self-propelled guns entered service with the Georgian army

total 31 units, 3 units got to us as a trophy ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: Nayhas

Why the hell to carry the sea when hundreds of kilometers of the common border with Ukraine and a bunch of roads?

"Normal heroes always go around ..."

[Ujin61]

The guns may be Romanian. The Psheks came by land.

[tol100v]

Quote: Nayhas

hundreds of kilometers of the common border with Ukraine and a bunch of roads?

It is not yet known where they came from.

[Alexan]

There may be a question of secrecy: it is far to drag pieces of iron from the Polish border, and it is much easier to deliver via Romania or Bulgaria. It's a shame that in the Odessa region ours are strangers, no one will support them. Local partisans on the fence will write a maximum of DNR ...

[Момент]

Again Malaysian, one has not been found so far, the other in the Donetsk region.
There will be a scream.

[snifer]

but is it not the same plane

[SVAROGE]

This is Garbert Wells smacks of ....))

[snifer]

Herbert Wells is such a writer No, this is a little different thing, think for yourself, I don’t express anything. I just got the first thought in my head when I found out about the news. That this provocation doesn’t go to a fortuneteller,

[sub307]

THIS "smacks" of a classic provocation with the aim of escalating hostilities.

[Deff]

It smacks of the possibility of interference in the NATO process, for an international flight was shot down

[sub307]

Still it would not "smell", because it is not clear yet - who is cunning. I mean earlier information:
“Fighters of the Donetsk Oblast people's militia have established control over the military air defense unit equipped with Buk complexes,” a representative of the local militia said.
"The militia of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) has reassigned the military unit A-1402", - said the representative of the militia, noting that this is a unit of anti-aircraft missile forces, which is armed with self-propelled anti-aircraft missile systems "Buk", RIA reports " News ". This is from 29.06.14/1/847176 http://www.yaplakal.com/forumXNUMX/topicXNUMX.html
"... believes Igor Korotchenko, director of the Center for Analysis of World Arms Trade, member of the Public Council under the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. ), as well as several launchers of the Buk air defense missile system ... "http://zarusskiy.org/russia/2014/07/17/buk/

[ATATA]

Quote: snifer

but is it not the same plane

Do you mean that this is the same plane that disappeared a long time ago?
Р'РѕРїСЂРѕСЃ РїСЂР ° РІРѕРјРµСЂРЅС ‹Р№.

[instructor]

thought the same thing about it

[Pajamas]

head would have thought better this plane really took off in Amsterdam.

[222222]

"The plane crash over the Black Sea on October 4, 2001 is a serious plane crash on October 4, 2001. A Tu-154M of Siberia Airlines crashed over the Black Sea, performing flight 1812 on the Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk route. According to the conclusion of the Interstate Aviation Committee of the IAC) , at an altitude of 11 thousand meters .. "

[Kerzhak]

WAS BROKEN BY THE UKRAINIAN ARMY

[scarp]

You are mistaken, my friend. UkrosMI:

17.07.14/18/59 XNUMX:XNUMX A source in the Ministry of Defense: Malaysian Boeing was shot down by Russian air defense. Ukraine will present evidence

17.07.14/18/48 300:XNUMX Strelkov took over the downed passenger Boeing with XNUMX passengers on board. A PHOTO

17.07.14/18/34 777:76 A passenger Boeing-XNUMX was shot down by Russian mercenaries. The route of the Ukrainian Il-XNUMX ran nearby, - journalist

17.07.14/18/12 777:XNUMX Boeing XNUMX Malaysian Airlines plane shot down by Russian mercenaries in the Donbass (updated)

So choose the taste and color, Russian mercenaries, terrorists, Russian air defense, Martians from the Alpha Centauri. But not dill.

ps headers with censor.net

[222222]

Telephone conversation with US President Barack Obama

17 July 2014, 20: 30
http://www.kremlin.ru/news/46241

[Wedmak]

Chic set of versions. Just a few minutes figured out what's what. Geniuses, not otherwise.

[serioga]

There hasn’t been such firing so that Ukrainian air defenses do not crap just raise the statistics and everything will become clear

[Cristall]

Quote: Scarp

ps headers with censor.net

the fact that Wait in this article wrote is more than enough to "cover" Ukrainian news, the same censor is not.
Absolutely identical, only Ukrainians are replaced by Russians and vice versa ..

[scarp]

You, madam, do you pour water into whose mill?

[Dali]

Madame of U_kro_pii ...
She has so far only one ukro-squeal-slogans and not a single real argument!

[Aleksandr2012]

Let me remind you. The exercises were carried out soon air defense. The C200 and C300 complexes worked. A training target was launched, on which the C200 worked. The target was moving away from the complex. It was captured, but after leaving the horizon it was lost. At that moment TU154 appeared in the detection zone. At this moment, the training target turned around and began to move in the opposite direction towards the air defense. It was captured by the C300 and the command with the CP (!!!), it was launched, a little later it was decided to launch on the captured TU 154 with C200. After some time, the C300 shot down a training target, but no one at the CP even wondered what the C200 was working for. And at that moment, there were dozens of high-ranking officers at the command post and everyone saw what was happening, and this was within a few minutes when the TsU could be canceled. As a result, the passenger TU154 was shot down at the far border of the C200 destruction zone.

[222222]

Aleksandr2012 SU Today, 20:58 ↑
S-200 semi-active guidance system. And the reflecting surface of the Tu-154 is larger than that of the target .. and the whole story ..

[Aleksandr2012]

This is not a story, but a report for Russian air defense divisions. The bottom line is that the TU154, being at a farther distance and higher altitude, was perceived as a target with a less reflective surface. And what was next on the conscience of the Ukrainian military.

[makano]

This is to replace the missing, so as not to look for more

[Orik]

Quote: Sith Lord

The Kiev authorities a month ago closed the sky for any aircraft over the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. What was he doing there?

And you?! I fly everything except ours, here you can watch in real time http://www.flightradar24.com

[g1v2]

Which one will fly over the db zone? Somewhere, the setup is unambiguous. Or frightened dill shot down, or the militia took over for supply vehicles, but how could the militia bring down at such a height? Most likely dill will be felled in the Russian Federation, they say evil Russian shot down. We must immediately conduct an investigation with the participation of the observer so that they could not hang us.

[ATATA]

Quote: g1v2

Which one will fly over the db zone? Somewhere, the setup is unambiguous. Or frightened dill shot down, or the militia took over for supply vehicles, but how could the militia bring down at such a height? Most likely dill will be felled in the Russian Federation, they say evil Russian shot down. We must immediately conduct an investigation with the participation of the observer so that they could not hang us.

Most likely, this is the Boeing that disappeared over the Indian Ocean.

[Lukich]

Quote: ATATA

Most likely, this is the Boeing that disappeared over the Indian Ocean.

and got out of nowhere at the airport? and flew to nowhere again?

[Saratovets]

If the states needed this, no one would have noticed anything, then they need to change the electronics on a Boeing

[sssla]

Quote: Sith Lord

A month ago, the Kiev authorities closed the sky for any aircraft over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
What was he doing there?

There are some videos in Yu Tyub from the Donetsk region, people are shooting or they wanted to shoot the Su-25 in the sky and a trace from a high-flying passenger gets in. Nobody closed anything there and I think that intentionally

[gfs84]

There are some videos in Yu Tyub from the Donetsk region, people are shooting or they wanted to shoot the Su-25 in the sky and a trace from a high-flying passenger gets in. Nobody closed anything there and I think that intentionally

With this bezpoletka everything is strange in general, as well as with the ATO itself:

- The last question, is there any oddity in this that such civilian aircraft fly over the territory where there are active fierce battles?

- Here we come into conflict. Generally speaking, if we declared the sky over the southeast a no-fly zone, this would at least serve as a warning for passenger flights. And since this is not, and officially, even the war is not going on, because some kind of anti-terrorist operation is being carried out here. She echoes, say, with some kind of police name, although there really is a war. And, of course, some accidents, some very tragic, apparently, are not excluded in theory, and, in practice, unfortunately, too.

completely here:

http://www.kommersant.ru/Doc/2527252

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: sssla

Nobody closed anything there and I think that intentionally

Isn’t it okay? Are you flying somewhere in Turkey, you understand Coca, you drink with Coke, you look at the clouds in the luminaire, and there the assault aviation works on residential buildings ..... Beauty !!!
No, the world is clearly crazy!

[Mountain shooter]

It’s strange how the Poles get to Ukraine. How did they get to the Odessa port? Poland has no ports on the Black Sea. Sailing from the Baltic? Is it having a common border with Ukraine? Although the ways of the Lord are inscrutable ...
If this is true, then this is the counter-battery struggle division. But what is he doing in Ukraine? In any case, the militias should be wary of these guns. It would be better if they were on the march ... of that.

[Cristall]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

It’s strange how the Poles get to Ukraine. How did they get to the Odessa port? Poland has no ports on the Black Sea. Sailing from the Baltic? Is it having a common border with Ukraine? Although the ways of the Lord are inscrutable ...
If this is true, then this is the counter-battery struggle division. But what is he doing in Ukraine? In any case, the militias should be wary of these guns. It would be better if they were on the march ... of that.

but nothing strange ... you can write anything on VO now and they will believe you if it's-
Accusatory for Ukraine or the USA
Justification for the Russian Federation and the Kremlin ..
I live in Odessa and unloading such equipment as Dana, I would have seen half a city (the port is in a viewing place and a lot of people are near it) any port employee would have let it slip. No - the invisible Dans were unloaded and sent by train while the inhabitants of Odessa did not see and are in the know ... nonsense, but for VO now the norm ...

[Ujin61]

A surprise for Porosenko is to derail the train.

[Suhov]

Quote: Sith Lord

A month ago, the Kiev authorities closed the sky for any aircraft over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
What was he doing there?

http://www.flightradar24.com/
A site on which the movement of airliners can be observed on-line.
The "path" is visible on the territory of Russia along which there is an intensive movement of aircraft along the border of Russia and Ukraine.
There is no traffic over Lugansk and Donetsk.

[Ramzaj99]

100% Pin. Dosy muddied. They were already substituting the USSR for this, when our air defense shot down a South Korean Boeing which could not have been located where it was shot down. There was a version about bribing pilots and their families. Then all the dogs were let down to the USSR. And yesterday, the Black Monkey American monkey failed to persuade EU members to adopt a package of sanctions against Russia, and more and more countries refuse to quarrel with Russia on US orders, and they are slowly losing control over the situation in Ukraine. Their setup, do not go to a fortuneteller! Now we are waiting for Sooo much noise, and a bunch of nasty things, they are much more welcome.

[avt]

Quote: Sith Lord

A month ago, the Kiev authorities closed the sky for any aircraft over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

BUT! ALLOWED TRANSIT AT LEAST 7 THOUSAND WITH 900 Copecks!

[Flex]

Lord of the Sith SU Today, 20:00 p.m. ↑
A month ago, the Kiev authorities closed the sky for any aircraft over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
What was he doing there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
you are not accurate and therefore wrong - the airspace was closed from the ground to the echelon 260 to a height of about 8 km - more closely please

[tchoni]

Lyakhi they certainly warriors then nothing. Only if they don’t burn out.
And so. In essence - from the third world does not feel better for anyone. Unless green - the world's population will radically contract. ecology, flora - fauna, decal prada mutated, but this garbage.

[tasey]

Uprzejmie proszę Gentles

[anfil]

A month ago, the Kiev authorities closed the sky for any aircraft over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
What was he doing there? And by the way, about unloading the Polish brigade in Odessa and loading it onto the railway platform, questions also arise.

They didn’t close anything, a week ago I watched flying over Lugansk and Donetsk regions. Now the truth is immediately clear.
link:http://www.flightradar24.com/45.62,29.2/8

[WKS]

Quote: Sith Lord

With the open entry into the civil war in Ukraine of the regular army of a foreign state - a member of NATO, the military-political situation is changing radically.

There is a lot of misinformation on the net. Poland’s entry into the hostilities in Novorossia is so unlikely that it’s not worth talking about. For Poland, this is suicide. There now, although demagogues are in power, they are not suicides. Secondly, the morale of the Polish troops is so low that it’s a big problem to select at least several battalions for real battles.

[zennon]

Quote: Sith Lord

A month ago, the Kiev authorities closed the sky for any aircraft over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
What was he doing there?

Transit flights at altitudes above 7900 meters are allowed by Ukraviatrans. The dill said they were not in danger.
The Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was flying down the corridor legally.

[nnz226]

To bring weapons from Poland to the ship is around the entire geyropa, isn’t it easier to use the usual freight train by rail ?! From the Czech Republic - yes, along the Danube, although I’m not sure that the Danube flows through the Czech Republic ...

[Cristall]

Quote: nnz226

Isn’t it easier with a regular train? From the Czech Republic - yes, along the Danube, although I’m not sure that the Danube flows through the Czech Republic ...

if from Poland it’s cheaper and more logical than railway (in general, this is done with all Polish goods)
It is possible through the Danube, but overload in Izmail or Odessa is needed - this will increase the cost of delivery and unnecessary overload - it will only damage the secrecy of the package.
But there is no logic in VO, and only a couple of people with the mind try to prove that this is illogical at least .. and therefore gives rise to doubts ..

[nerd.su]

Quote: Sith Lord

Completely untying the Russian Federation and its allies hands for an adequate response.

Allies of Russia? As we have long known, we have only two allies - our army and our fleet ...

[gorsten79]

"Fully untiing the hands of the Russian Federation and its allies for an adequate response" - the Russian Federation - it is clear, but about which allies of our country are written here - Armenia, Belarus, Abkhazia or Cuba. We have no allies. Unfortunately ...

[Suhow]

about untied hands, yes, but I don’t need to.

[PKTRL]

More civilian aircraft bypassed the Donbass! The Malaysian 777th (from Holland) and a couple of other imported cruised through the Donets Basin. Russian bypassed. Old from this radar (http://aera.me/radar) I sometimes observed! Why did the Malays and some hang out there ...?!

[Alex 241]

May be silent! Children are dead!

[Apollo]

Quote: Alex 241

May be silent! Children are dead!

+!!!

[silver_roman]

I don’t want to seem like some kind of barbarian, but do you not allow the possibility that the victims are ... pretended? those. thrown in advance or corpses? I think the CIA has a lot of options.
all this looks like a provocation.
if people really died, then the kingdom to them is heaven!

[opus]

Quote: Sith Lord

And by the way about unloading the Polish brigade in Odessa and loading it onto the railway platform

And what's the point of carrying a Polish brigade SEA h / s Odessa?

Those. dive where is the thread in Gdansk, go around all of Europe, go through Sedimenka, Dardanely, Black and unload in Odessa, then dive onto the railway platform?
and nafuya SO?
when you can auto and train-WITHOUT PROBLEMS !!! and no one will know

you should not repeat nonsense ....

[opus]

Quote: Sith Lord

A month ago, the Kiev authorities closed the sky for any aircraft over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

at the Ukrainian enterprise "Ukraerorukh" (Ukraeronavigatsiya), the ITAR-TASS news agency said that the train, which went crashed Boeing, was open to international transit flights.

"According to the" NOTAM "telegram, which was spread not so long ago by the State Aviation Service of Ukraine, international transit flights at this echelon were allowed,"
the country's aviation authorities allowed flights above 9600 metersAccording to some reports, the Boeing-777 walked at a height of 10600 meters.

[Simple]

Quote: Sith Lord

A month ago, the Kiev authorities closed the sky for any aircraft over the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

I don’t know who forbade what, but until the last moment passenger aircraft flew over the combat zone.
http://www.flightradar24.com/ Правда скринов не делал (кто же знал )

[Simple]

At the moment:

[Rus2012]

Quote: Sith Lord

What was he doing there?

Ukraine is responsible for the crash of a Malaysia Airlines plane. This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin.
"We must do everything that depends on us so that the objective picture of what happened becomes the property of our public, and the public of Ukraine, and the whole world."
Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/41370#ixzz37lMWzIgw

GDP knows what happened ...
IMHO this is a secret CIA operation, which "blindly" used the Ukrop military. Most likely there was a hunt for a letter board, the cowboys were mistaken ...

[Simple]

Quote: Rus2012

Most likely there was a hunt for a letter board, the cowboys were mistaken ...

Letter boards are not as easy to shoot down at a height as it seems.

[scarp]

Like stupid people. Okay, still call the President, there’s no reason for it (he’s not there), but to bring down the letter 1? Do they have that in the State Department, Nemtsov has already been appointed president? Anyone can come to replace Rogozin, Kalashnikov, Zyuganov. So these will smash the undead to shreds. What is the calculation?

[DimychDV]

And the first comment fits this text too.
But a heated howl between America and Russia has already begun. They started it against US, right? Hot? .. Under Brezhnev, nothing like that could have been in the project. Because Russians have a principle: EVIL TO KILL THERE, WHERE IT COMES FROM. And I do not know what our politicians think there, but the logic of events has already been launched. As a result, either the Third World War. Or - the victory inscription of the Russian paratrooper on the walls of the Congress, the White House, the Pentagon: "Satisfied with the ruins of this poorhouse!"
Okay, Ukrainians are an ill-mannered brat who grew up on the American dream. Poles - they always rode with a saber bald in front of any Napoleon. Therefore, they did not remain forgotten during the final distribution of the bishops. But the Americans - they completely lost their scent. I have always said that this is a teenage nation with an atomic club. they are still snuffling their noses, and already they strive to arrange disassembly with those who are older. Use ONLY formal logic, forgetting about conscience, honor, interests of all participants in the international process ... Yes, in any brigade such a "dark" was arranged on the very first day!
Who can say for sure: did Wang say that the black president of the United States is the last, or is it speculation?

[Alexander I]

It remains to wait for an answer. This is the other side of the coin.

[Mahmut]

Not a single normal pilot will fly through a combat zone, especially if the airspace is closed, especially since the route was located significantly south of the actual path. Consequently - PILOTS ARE NOT GUILT. The fact is that at an altitude of 10 km, in the area of ​​plains, pilots are guided not by local attractions, but exclusively by JPS navigators. Consequently, the navigator’s grid has undergone deliberate distortion in order to remove the side under the impact of UKROPVO. The United States has such equipment. Such equipment was used to divert the Polish president’s plane from the glide path. Such equipment was captured in the war on 8.08.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX.

[silver_roman]

Quote: Sith Lord

The Kiev authorities a month ago closed the sky for any aircraft over the Donetsk and Lugansk regions

as they say: "from the creators of September 11" !!!!!!

This whole incident is pure provocation.
Facts that I came across in this case:
1) LA tore inside. This is reported on the news. Like there were observers who saw the crash. When shot down, the aircraft will not collapse completely.
2) there is one or two videos from the crash site. They show a complete "stuffing" from the plane and its passengers, BUT almost all the passports, intact and brand new, were found.
3) I stumbled somewhere, like on Facebook a picture of this Boeing 777 before the flight. dude wrote the type of photo took LA to recognize him if that suddenly !!! somehow suspiciously.
4) entering the combat zone, the aircraft of some kind decreased. I understand if it were in Europe, where the air corridors are clogged and often LA change trains. But tad Ukraine, the sky is free.
5) the funniest thing is the video from Holland, from the airport. In short, all the relatives (!!!) were taken away from the airport, it is not known where and who, so that the media would not terrorize them. Two dudes are seen on the video, hugging and feeling sorry for each other. Europe - what can I say)))).

ps writhing is all a tough provocation. One of the methods of the Saxons. Remember the story back in the 70s or 80s when the Korean 747 was shot down over the USSR.

[Alex_Popovson]

Wait, it's too late to "want".

[svp67]

Quote: vrach

Someone wants 3 world war, already can not.

Yes, it is already clear who ... right there all in one turn and accusations of Russia that our plane was shot down by a Ukrainian attack aircraft and now ... But only smart people are able to ask the question - does Russia need this? All the rest will believe the "zombie"

[Sid.74]

UkSATSE launched an investigation into the crash of a Malaysia Airlines Boeing

The State Enterprise of Air Traffic Services of Ukraine (UkSATSE) has launched an investigation into the crash of a Malaysia Airlines Boeing-777 aircraft over the city of Torez in the Donetsk region of Ukraine. Earlier, the country's Interior Ministry reported that as a result of the crash, 280 passengers and 15 crew members were killed.

Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/41277#ixzz37k64ks2Q

The Armed Forces of Ukraine already have experience in shooting down civilian vessels! By the way, isn’t this the Boeing that disappeared a couple of months ago! It’s also Malaysian!

[zzz]

Quote: Sid.74

UkSATSE launched an investigation into the crash of a Malaysia Airlines Boeing

They must not be allowed to investigate!

[Sid.74]

Quote: zzz

They must not be allowed to investigate!

Something is garbage! It fell apart!

The network has the first photos of the fallen in Ukraine Malaysian Boeing

Users of social networks post on the network the first photos of the Malaysian Boeing, which fell today in eastern Ukraine. Malaysia Airlines' Boeing-777 operated the Amsterdam-Kuala Lumpur flight.

[zzz]

HERE AND MOTIVES!

After the crash of the Boeing, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine calls on NATO to begin a ground operation against militias.

Advisor to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Zoryan Shkiryak after the crash of a Malaysian Boeing aircraft in the east of the country called on the US and NATO to help the Ukrainian military in conducting a special operation against militias. “The United States must immediately provide us with modern high-precision weapons and support from the air, and NATO begin a ground-based military defense operation,” Shkiryak wrote on Facebook.

[Wedmak]

US must immediately

and NATO launch a ground defense operation

Don't tell the US ... they don't owe anything to anyone. And the dill themselves will be able to cope with modern weapons? They are not smart enough to develop "ATO" tactics.

[Simple]

Quote: Wedmak

Don't tell the US ... they don't owe anything to anyone. And the dill themselves will be able to cope with modern weapons? They are not smart enough to develop "ATO" tactics.

According to sources, on July 16, 2014, in the port of Odessa, in an environment of increased secrecy, 12 (twelve) self-propelled wheeled artillery mounts - 152-mm vz. 77 "Dana" Czech production, in service with the Armed Forces of Poland, as well as staff buses and trucks.
After unloading artillery division (presumably from the 1-th Masurian artillery brigade), fully staffed by Polish troops, proceeded on the train. station.

http://www.novorosinform.org/news/id/3227


Poles can.

[Wedmak]

I don’t understand that you are so laid on these self-propelled guns? A dozen more, a dozen less, in the presence of MLRS in dill and several hundred flower howitzers, this is a drop in the bucket!
And the fact that the Poles suddenly appeared there is their problem.

[silver_roman]

I heard that like 22 Canadian fighters want to transfer ukram. I really don’t remember which ones. most likely fu-18. unless of course nonsense.

[Silkway0026]

I believe they will rub this topic:
1.Infa is thrown in - "The plane could have been shot down by the militia"
2. The militiamen say - "We have no such weapons"
3. They are opposed - "You have" Buk "
4. They prove that they are not them and not their "Buk".
5. The question is officially hanging in the air, and unofficially everything is being discussed in the direction of Russia - "They are helping the militia, they are actually shooting down all the planes, not the militias, and the Malaysian Boeing was also shot down by the Russians, in a hurry they were overlooked ... It is impossible to prove, the Russians will deny, but YOU UNDERSTAND THAT !!! "

Given the inhumanity of the Pindocs when creating convenient situations, I believe that it is their ears that stick out in this incident.

[typhoon7]

The West probably wants to take control of the sky of New Russia. This cannot be allowed, the memory of the events in Libya is still fresh, how it all ended there.

[HAM]

Well, yes, first the Koreans, now the Malaysians, the Americans are not at all sorry for someone when it comes to big money, the same scenario ..... The dill have a lot of experience: either a TU134 from Tel AVIVA crashed over the Black Sea, then a rocket in they zafigachili apartment, even being caught by the hand they say: "Tse not us, then m .... whether"!

[Stypor23]

Quote: HAM

Well, yes, first the Koreans, now the Malaysians, the Americans are not at all sorry for someone when it comes to big money, the same scenario ..... The dill have a lot of experience: either a TU134 from Tel AVIVA crashed over the Black Sea, then a rocket in they zafigachili apartment, even being caught by the hand they say: "Tse not us, then m .... whether"!

In the summer of 1988, the Iranian A300 was shot down by s.uki. And there was nothing silence, there were no accusations against the Americans. But in Lokerby, six months later, you went to the whole world. The creatures are star-striped, they are ready to tear up all the media space.

[rhd]

I think that they will accuse the GDP of pressing the red button !!! Again HE !!! SAM !!! Personally! Something like this will be in ukronostom !!!

[Patriot.ru.]

There will be no one to blame for pressing the red button. The option that the SGA, after its hegemony, will drag ALL into the grave is unlikely, but present.

[INVESTOR]

"290 people who were not at all side-altars, died because of American ambitions, so that these non-humans would be given to them in full. Lord, rest the souls of the innocent murdered ...

[Svyatopolk]

These star-striped subhumans will soon be rewarded! This bastard country is simply obliged to go to Hell. And go! The time is coming! Therefore, the villains before death and vyzhivaetsya! They have two options: the Yellowstone nailing, or even earlier the strongest earthquake in California (as experts at California say in the 9th month of pregnancy, a major earthquake). I am very happy and waiting as a celebration of divine retribution over the predatory, bastard, vile country of the United States. Faster would have taken place! This fucking mattress started to boil! I curse her daily from morning to evening!

[b-metro]

do not confuse ordinary amers with their doo elite

[Varangian22]

This is almost the case, but not quite. The Yugoslavian variation is played here. Who benefits from it !? Well, the Armed Forces are not unambiguously beneficial to the militias, since they are planning a rout and need to involve amers and the EU, but here is such a case to accuse the militias of all imaginable and inconceivable sins.

[elmonje]

can shove not only on beech trees, but also on a Su-25 captured by the militia ... Remember until recently we wondered that dill was probably being prepared for a provocation. It seems that it was preparing itself.

[tol100v]

The ears of a matrasopi — a gift — stick out from ALL HOT DOTS OF THE WORLD! After all, all sane understand for what!

[anfil]

Fortunately, the plane crashed in the territory controlled by the militias and they are ready to give the "black" boxes for investigation.

Andrei Purgin, First Deputy Prime Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic, said that the black boxes of the crashed Malaysian Boeing will be submitted for examination to Moscow.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

No wonder .. whose hand is felt (the American military specialists flew to Kiev the other day and Papa reported to Biden ..) .. If the militias continue to develop the offensive .. I’m sure that the nuclear power plant will explode .. How rude they work .. (Israel dampens residential areas in Palestine and silence ..) Tipo in small print ..

[vsoltan]

And Putin’s nuclear power plant will undermine ... mattress covers, bl, PDRS, have achieved everything ...

[tol100v]

Dear MIKHAN!, It is better that your predictions do not come true. Otherwise, you’ll have to make a chess exchange for the Hoover Dam and Yellowstone!

[Meckajiuhe]

according to the First, now they unobtrusively moved the version about the intersection of Board No. 1 with a downed Boeing over the territory of Poland with a difference of 20 minutes, at the same level. The speaker’s eyes were very kind ...

[Reserve officer]

Let's calmly think about who and why.
1. The fighters of New Russia have only MANPADS, and the flight altitude was 10 thousand m. So the militias have nothing to do with it. They also do not have fighter aircraft.
2. If we consider the version of the rocket, i.e. C-200 complex, that is, it is in the arsenal of the army of Ukraine and has already managed to distinguish itself once in Tu-154. So it’s very possible.
3. If it is a diversion, i.e. blasting explosives in the fuselage, it could be mined only at airports. Very similar to a provocation.
4. Question - who benefits? And one more thing - is such a provocation possible without the approval of the United States?
Draw your own conclusions.

[222222]

RU Officer Today, 21:02 ↑
Interesting - Who is responsible for the safety of the flight of the aircraft according to ICAO rules over foreign territory ???

[Wiruz]

All these are provocations of the Outskirts or their overseas owners. Only tomorrow there wasn’t enough a proposal in the UN Meringue Council for recognition of the LPR and DPR as terrorist organizations.

[vsoltan]

There will be unequivocal offers and will be accepted ... we pack sidors. :-).

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Wiruz

All these are provocations of the Outskirts or their overseas owners. Only tomorrow there wasn’t enough a proposal in the UN Meringue Council for recognition of the LPR and DPR as terrorist organizations.

It’s obligatory .. tomorrow or tonight I’m sure an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council .. to one Obama today imposed sanctions against Russia .. how rushing it is ... (they’re rudely working very rudely) .. Looks like it’s pressing ... It’s true with us! If we are forced to fight, we’ll be like militia in the South-East only in the aspen nest! God bless Russia!

[gfhjkm]

Kiev, as the initiator of the ATO, was to notify all countries of the change in air corridors

Yes, there was a ban on the flight of civilian lines in the territory where the atom is being held, it seems like they say that the current is up to 8 km. height.

[raccoon]

It's time to prepare for World War III ....... This is a fait accompli. Okay we’ll endure, we’ll smash this gadushnik of US gays to smithereens ........... It’s a pity, after all, LIFE has become more or less good, everything has been getting better! DEATH OF THE USA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[azbukin77]

Plus +10 and the son himself is 11 years old!

[Weigher]

Do not forget that the third world will be the extermination and not the conquest of territories!

[Muadipus]

Well, Ukrainians, they are inadequate, they like to fall in burning airplanes. But what were the Malaysians doing in the sky over the Donbass? The sky seemed to be closed to civilian courts. A height of 10km is really high for MANPADS.
In short, either the Ukrainians themselves shot them down, they burned their citizens, and then some kind of plane ... But what are they hoping for? When our satellites and radars monitor the entire Donbass.
Or disa.
One way or another, I think there will be clarifications to this message.

[raccoon]

Quote: Muadipus

But what are they hoping for? When our satellites and radars monitor the entire Donbass.

which satellites are one Malaysian Boeing still looking for and cannot find ...........

[Sid.74]

Quote: raccoon

which satellites are one Malaysian Boeing still looking for and cannot find ...........

The first militias have already fallen into the area of ​​the fall of the Boeing, they write that there are many dead children!

[gfs84]

The first militias have already fallen into the area of ​​the fall of the Boeing, they write that there are many dead children!

Here is the official statement:

A member of the Security Council of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, Sergei Kavtoradze, said that several residents of the Torez village suffered as a result of the crash of a passenger plane in eastern Ukraine. “According to preliminary data, during the crash, the wreckage of the plane touched residential buildings, there are injured among the local population,” the representative of the DNF “Interfax” quotes.

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2527248

[srelock]

Quote: raccoon

which satellites are one Malaysian Boeing still looking for and cannot find ..........

Or maybe it was he who was found? Anyway ... Something is wrong with these Malaysian Boeings

[Muadipus]

which satellites are one Malaysian Boeing still looking for and cannot find ...........

do not distort. It’s one thing to monitor the Pacific Ocean, and another thing is adjacent territory. At least, satellite images as evidence of shelling of our territory of the Russian Federation quickly provided. From here I draw conclusions that we have other pictures. I’m silent about radars.

By the way, a completely crazy idea came if the missing Boeing had fallen today. For the sake of a pre-planned setup, you can expect pendochudes.

[tol100v]

Quote: Muadipus

, you can expect pendochudes.

Well said!

[jaguar]

There is no doubt who will be found guilty in the West !!!!

[sssla]

Quote: vrach

Someone wants World War 3,

Same as with the Korean Boeing in the USSR. The scenario that follows is the same as the indignation of the world community and the announcement of Russia by the evil empire in the square

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

not one of me has a Korean Boeing flashed in my brain

[raccoon]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

not one of me has a Korean Boeing flashed in my brain

Yes, EVERYONE, the only difference is that in 1983 it was an EMPTY plane, and it was a clean setup of the USSR, and here 300 souls, half the children .................. ..HORROR!!! What kind of CREATIVES in this KUEV ??? I can’t even think of a penalty for such people either I can’t think of ..... THIS IS AN EXCELLENCE !!!!!!

[domiemon]

Which is empty. A bunch of people on board and even a whole senator or a state congressman. NATO immediately after this exercise of the forces of vigorous deterrence Able Archer began.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and the reaction of our allies
"DPR" terrorists "shot down a passenger plane of a Malaysian airline, mistaking it for a Ukrainian one. 295 dead"
http://www.altyn-orda.kz/terroristy-%e2%80%aadnr%e2%80%ac-sbili-passazhirskij-sa
molyot-malajskoj-aviakompanii-prinyav-ego-za-ukrainskij-295-pogibshix /

[silver_roman]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and the reaction of our allies

Media in Kazakhstan are the same bought and sold ka in the Russian Federation. there is no wonder. 5 columns function the same everywhere.

[silver_roman]

Quote: raccoon

and here are 300 souls

I would not be so sure. suddenly put corpses? Have you seen the interview from the airport of Holland? According to ukrotelik they say that it is not clear to relatives who and it is not clear where they transported them. Bullshit.

[jaguar]

I have here our Tu-154 flying from Israel, I somehow remembered.

[Giant thought]

Obviously, a provocation conceived and carried out by mattresses in order to further intensify the situation in New Russia.

[INVESTOR]

100% provocation against Russia !!!

[Luckyjone]

But such a thought came to me:
The Boeing flew towards Russia, maybe ukrovoyaki thought it was a Russian plane (at 10000m it is not visible).
And having shot down a Russian plane, Russia may still bring in troops. They really want to draw us in.
How one of the assumptions probably has the right to life !?

[SSeT]

A thought not without logic. Given what kind of chaos there is in command.

[Stalker]

Someone wants 3 world war, already can not.

Militias do not have such weapons !!

America launched an attack on its business centers. After such a thing with Ukraine, they won’t be ceremonious at all ... the last resort is left to mattresses !! - bring down the ISS in space and dump on the DPR

[Vitaly Anisimov]

How everything is familiar ... Is not it ..? (Then hushed up quietly ..)

[tol100v]

And write off everything on Strelkova, who threw a meteorite stone in space!

[Sterlya]

From Amsterdam? What hedgehog did he fly there?
Yes, you have to be crazy for an hour to fly over dill ...

[RUS96]

.............

[Stalker]

God forbid that in the LPR they caught a trash and managed to interrogate before they banged .... !!

[andrei332809]

Quote: vrach

that's what 3 wants a world war,

it reminds me of something ... I hope they will be sent on time

[Junior, I]

Here, yes, you don’t need to go to the grandmother. The Americans shot down with a laser gun, calculating the trajectory and time of the fall.

[Svyatopolk]

Yes, dill nailed on the plane! They are terrified as you want world scandals to crap the militias and Russia. They did all the bastards! Most likely, the pin-dos have set them up. Mattresses are the most vile villains and scum with their monkey and stupid ssaki.

[bmv04636]

By chance this is not the same airline whose Boeing in the Pacific Ocean disappeared?
Malicious rock pursues Malaysia's second plane in such a short time

[strelok93rus]

The fool understands that the militia did not plan! It was less necessary to brag about who took what from whom. Ukrov on provacations advises the CIA, "it's not to drive sparrows with slippers," but serious and prepared guys, moreover, they don't do everything with their own hands. And we save their saldats, treat them. Pigs, one word. I don't know how much nerve and patience it takes! Tin! Maybe it's really time to show "Kuzkin's mother" ?! already in my head does not fit. what is going on and what is being prepared for! They are a provocation, we are silent, they kill on our territory, we are silent again, now they will hang Boeing on us, we are silent again!

[INVESTOR]

Advisor to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Zoryan Shkiryak calls on NATO to immediately begin ground operations in eastern Ukraine after the fall of the Malaysian Boeing.

“The United States should immediately provide us with modern weapons and air support, and NATO should begin a ground-based military operation,” Shkiryak wrote on his Facebook page.

Onboard the Boeing-777 were 280 passengers and 15 crew members - all of them died.

That’s the purpose of the action.

[bmv04636]

latest news
Before the crash, the Malaysian Boeing was escorted by two fighter jets, said the Hispanic air traffic controller, who works at the Kiev Borispol airport.

[INVESTOR]

Before the plane crash, the Malaysian Boeing was accompanied by two fighters, said a Hispanic air traffic controller working at Kiev's Borispol airport.

He left the corresponding message in his microblog, writes the edition "Vzglyad".

Meanwhile, eyewitnesses report that before the crash of the Malaysian Boeing they saw a combat aircraft in the sky.

Recall that there is a version that the Ukrainian pilot or anti-aircraft crew took the passenger plane No. 1 for the Russian presidential plane.

[Cristall]

Quote: INVESTOR

He left a corresponding message in his microblog, writes the edition "Look".

I recently also could leave a message that the UFO was shot down, and subscribe-Air traffic controller ...
What kind of sources of truthful information does the publication Vzglyad ??????
Soon news will be taken from grandmas on the street ...

[Dali]

Yeah ...

If so, why did the air traffic controller’s twitter get blocked ... I’m trying to open it, but the pages are no longer being reported ... but I really managed to make a few screenshots, as well as many others.

[Klepa]

The source of Interfax in the Federal Air Transport Agency, with full confidentiality rights, said that the target of a Ukrainian rocket, ground, or fired from a military aircraft, could be the plane of the president of Russia.

“I can say that the number one board and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and on the same level. This happened near Warsaw at the 330th echelon at an altitude of 10100 meters. Board number one was there at 16:21 Moscow time, the Malaysian plane at 15:44 Moscow time, ”the source said.

“The contours of the aircraft are generally similar, the linear dimensions are also very similar, and as for the coloring, then at a fairly distant distance it is almost identical,” the source said.

[Klepa]

A few minutes before the crash of the Malaysian Boeing in Ukraine, Ukrainian military aircraft were seen near it. About this in his Twitter account said the Spanish dispatcher, who led the liner Malaysia Airlines.
17 July 2014, 23: 04
“Military aircraft flew close to 777 three minutes before he disappeared from the radar, only three minutes,” writes dispatcher Carlos.

“When the Boeing simply disappeared from the radar, the Kiev authorities told us that it crashed. How could they find out so quickly? ” - Carlos asks in his micro-blog.

[Cristall]

Quote: Klepa

The source of Interfax in the Federal Air Transport Agency, with full confidentiality rights, said that the target of a Ukrainian missile, ground, or launched from a military aircraft, could be the plane of the president of Russia.

something that the Russian media began to remind amazingly of the Ukrainian media ...

[vsoltan]

Sorry, but the topic ... sent a letter to the site administration:
To the article about the downed Boeing, he wrote that this conflict is a war, we were dragged ... why did you delete the comment?
I didn’t violate any rules of the site .... I gained positive agreement with my opinion ... some of the inadequate moderators deleted it ... I published an article about my relationship with the site and criticism of the administration a couple of months ago, you can see it in my profile. ... and in fact, in addition to personal disgust for such rudeness, I want to re-write off the opinion about the downed Boeing - this guys is definitely a war .... we can’t get away...

[figwam]

Obama wanted to kill Putin!

[Vesnik]

Now "will begin" .. comments of the Ukrainian media- "chotyry rakety brutal terrorist, payback, hit the soapy litak" ... one in front, the other behind .. and two on the sides ... nonsense ?? - "no", they will say, "so and bulo"
Who's guilty? This is Russia to love ...
Who does not agree, the pro-Russian Kremlin agent.

[Cristall]

Quote: Vesnik

Who's guilty? This is Russia to love ...
Who does not agree, the pro-Russian Kremlin agent.

yes, while the Russian news is not far behind, and even surpasses the Ukrainians, blaming them for all mortal sins, including with this ill-fated airliner.

[Oprychnik]

Even if the plane just crashed - what an advertisement for our weapons! ALL that flies falls !!!

[Oprychnik]

There are six options for the incident:
1) SD
2) DNR
3) RF
4) technical malfunction
5) terrorist attack
6) human factor (crew error)

Until there is a conclusion of a competent commission, there is no market

[Zaslavsky-S]

My friend!! She already goes !! Here, and, now!

[TURKISH]

During the Karabakh war, Russians in most cases found themselves on the other side of the front, but when you ask veterans everyone unanimously says that Russians always left the corridor for civilians, it’s a sin to think that the Russians did it, because history doesn’t remember the Russians, this is the same thing I think about Ukrainians, most likely the third party is possibly Americans, although without complete information I do not want to slander anyone, but may ALLAH punish the scum whose hands are in the blood of civilians. There was a fundraising practice on the site, I think you can open an account to help the relatives of the victims, because on both sides the brotherly Orthodox nations between whom the strangers sowed the family of contention, just in spite of the enemies let people rally on both sides to help everyone understand that war is war and Slavic spirit above all. After all, the Russian soul is an internal force that can overcome everything.

[TURKISH]

You can minus but no plus, I’m not writing for pluses.

[Nagaibak]

TURKISH "During the Karabakh war the Russians found themselves on the other side of the front in most cases."
On your side no less fought.

[TURKISH]

On your side no less fought.
In your words, the Russians, Turks, Iranians, Afghans ..... all for us, well, it’s already a fairy tale that didn’t fight with Sparta)))

If it were as you say, then we would have reached Yerevan, but we will not argue on this subject since now it is out of place.

[Nagaibak]

"TURKISH" According to your words, Russians, Turks, Iranians, Afghans ..... everything is for us, well, it's already a fairy tale not fought with Sparta)))
Yes, come on.))) Everyone has long known this.)))

[polite people]

Reporting from the crash site.

[raccoon]

Damn ........ the militias will be accused, although it is a no brainer that it is profitable for both Kuev and the States to denigrate the militias .......... I hope they will not succeed, on BUKs it seems like something like a "black box "established and records all missile launches, time and place and target ...... something like this, we urgently need to provide all information from these BUKs in Donetsk to OSCE observers !!!!!!!!

[b-612]

sorry for the people ... but what nerd paves the way over the war zones ?!

[Amper]

This is a clear setup and ordering. Poor people ....

[Vik.Tor]

This is not a nerd, this is a deliberate action, don’t go to your grandmother, it’ll start now, only in Novorossia things have gone uphill and on those.

[vsoltan]

This is a nerd - what a nerd you need / remember Beware of the car /. :-) :-)

[typhoon7]

I agree with you absolutely, because attack aircraft and transport vehicles have long been shot down and it never occurred to anyone to worry about this issue.

[tol100v]

State Department Dispatching Service!

[Patriot.ru.]

Dill the day before yesterday said that the militia could not shoot down the AN-26 at an altitude of 6m, and this Amsterdam was shot down at 500m.

[Wiruz]

The West last year proved to the whole world that washing powder in vitro was the dangerous gas Zarin seized from the Syrian army near Damascus. Now, sadly, the militias really had the opportunity to bring down this miserable Boeing. And this is a scribe how sad.

[Dikson]

Could and militias foolishly fill up. An26 was shot down by something .. They wrote that he was walking almost 6 thousand ..

[Amper]

The idea is fix. Ukrainians did not shoot! THIS IS THE SAME CIVIL AIRPLANE, YOU ARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bepduct]

Yes! Rafik with his friends judokas, did not beat the violinist!

[semen777]

There’s no need to prove the fall site with a thorn, and launch an international commission with the participation of Russia, if dill breaks and pulls the wreckage, but today’s article in ukroSMI otmaz an hour after the catastrophe

[smoker]

Malaysian Airlines has confirmed the loss of contact with the aircraft.

Malaysia Airlines confirms it has lost contact with flight MH17 from Amsterdam - last known position over Ukraine http://bbc.in/1tW4HfO

[StrateG]

Information in VK:

URGENTLY. Ukrainian gangs themselves shot down a plane from Malaysia and want to blame the militias for this.

UkroSMI: "At about 16.20, communication with the Malaysian passenger aircraft Boeing-777, which was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur at an altitude of 10 thousand meters above the territory of Ukraine within the international corridor, was lost," the source said. "It fell near the settlement of Grabovo," he added.

Details of the tragedy will be announced later. It is reported that the passenger capacity of this aircraft, depending on the modification, can be about 300 people.

The cynicism of the gang leader Poroshenko and his Ukrainian occupiers has no limits. They want to unleash a larger war with this provocation.

[smoker]

Twitter is already noisy:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/MH17?src=hash

[ilya_oz]

These pigs are already blaming the militias.

Nearly 300 people died during the crash of a Malaysian plane in the Donetsk region of Ukraine, said Advisor to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Anton Gerashchenko on his Facebook page.

“He flew at an altitude of 10 thousand meters. 280 passengers and 15 crew members were killed, ”wrote Gerashchenko.

He noted that the plane was shot down from the Buk anti-aircraft missile system.

[gfs84]

The First Deputy Prime Minister of the DPR, Andrei Purgin, said that a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 passenger plane could have been shot down by Ukrainian troops. “In the area where Boeing crashed, there are very serious fights. They constantly shoot there, ”Interfax quoted Mr. Purgin as saying. At the same time, he claims that the Buk air defense system, which is spoken of in Kiev, is not in service with the militias.

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2527216

But alas, the "official" Kiev will listen, behind it the "light" of truth looms, represented by the United States ...

[Monk]

And how did Gerashchenko already determine the nature and method of damage to a Boeing ???? What did he drive there to the crash site?

[tol100v]

Home-made PR-PROMOTIONS. All texts have long been written in the State Department!

[gispanec]

you need to calm down and prepare for the battle ..... this is 100% provocation .... and everyone will believe the dill that we shot down ..... well stsukii ....

[SRC P-15]

Quote: gispanec

you need to calm down and prepare for the battle ..... this is 100% provocation .... and everyone will believe the dill that we shot down ..... well stsukii ....

If our radars detected Israeli missile launches from the Mediterranean towards Syria, then missile launches (if any) along the Boeing near our border were probably tracked. We will wait for the official response of our Foreign Ministry.

[nicollider]

All launches, the whole ruin is viewed by radar. if there was a launch, you can certainly say where it came from. We are waiting for official statements of the Russian Federation

[desertfox]

Not everything is so simple, launches in the Mediterranean were tracked by an over-the-horizon radar, such radars do not "look" in the direction of Ukraine, and it is not a fact that we had something to track this particular launch.

[501 Legion]

now the circus will start from the Ukrainians, Russia is to blame for everything. although most likely he was shot down by the dill military. at that height they can only get it. I doubt that they would use what the militia had against the aircraft at about 10 km altitude

[Akvadra]

Here they will howl all the dark forces blaming Russia! And the masters in the downing of civilian aircraft will be made fluffy. Oh god What a pity for innocent people! Who needs all this!

[Khagysh]

Some bastard needs it.

[Orik]

He had already fallen in a timely manner, our dill was being beaten, new sanctions had been introduced, reminiscent of the Korean Boeing of the times of the USSR. Then the Americans used it to sculpt the image of the evil empire of their Union.

[StrateG]

URGENT NEWS !

In the area of ​​Donetsk, where the Malaysian plane crashed, a division of Buk self-propelled anti-aircraft missile systems was previously relocated by the Ukrainian armed forces. It is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to its source.

The source also emphasized that aircraft at an altitude of more than 10 thousand meters can only be hit by weapons like C-300 or Buk. The militias do not and cannot have such weapons.

[persei]

it would be very good that the testimony of the BUKs would be taken (interrogated) ... until the entire division was dissolved in the wilds of the lawlessness of Ukraine ...

[Oprychnik]

Tymchuk has already accused Strelkov of this act. (Information resistance, news from 19,08)

[Oprychnik]

Guys, this is m .... Ts! I remember what happened in 1983 when a South Korean Boeing (((

[roman72-452]

Yes, it's a duck. Why reprint unverified information.

[gfs84]

Yes, it's a duck. Why reprint unverified information.

Yes, it is possible:

The company Malaysia Airlines and the Ministry of Transport of Malaysia said they did not have information about a possible crash of the liner in Ukraine, according to Reuters.

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2527206

But they are preparing better for the worst, not today, "the other day" they will start something like that ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: roman72-452

Yes, it's a duck. Why reprint unverified information.

in the sense of a duck?
already all info agencies report

[Wiruz]

And this, gentlemen, is more than bad. God forbid the militias will not be able to prove their innocence, because then they will be recognized as terrorists. I bet it's a handiwork overseas office.

[Front Night]

they will be charged regardless of the outcome of the investigation.

[Wiruz]

they will be charged regardless of the outcome of the investigation.

They will have good lawyers - Lavrov with Churkin

[Front Night]

I do not want to say that we have bad diplomats, but all that they have so far achieved is three packages per crowd)

[haron]

This is more than bad.

Dill pinched ka at Stalingrad Fritz. Gunpowder began to send them packages by air. Explain to the European and Svidomo that the militias did not make sense to wet any plane flying to the banderlog will not be easy.

[Aleksandr2012]

Accuse Russia! It’s strange what did he do there ?! There everything that flies falls !!! And there is an assumption that not without outside help.

[jekasimf]

Very similar to the scenario, with a South Korean airliner, at the end of the 80's. Explicit setup. Indeed, a civilian plane cannot fly over the territory where the fighting is taking place.