The LC does not exclude that An-26 was shot down by Ukrainian security forces

Recently, in the area of ​​the border village Izvarino (Lugansk region), Ukrainian military transport worker An-26 was shot down. ATO leadership confirmed the loss of communication with the aircraft. It became known later that several crew members were held captive by the militias, according to the online newspaper NEWS.

At the same time, Kiev says that only two members of the crew were captured by the militia, and the fate of the other six remains unknown. Lugansk, in turn, claims that the militia captured 5 pilots.

Controversial is the question of who exactly shot down the plane. The militias do not refute their authorship, but at the same time they admit that the An-26 could well have been shot down by the Ukrainian military themselves.

“We have an order from our people's governor, Bolotov, to shoot down all military aircraft that take off and land at Lugansk airport. So this time, when the plane landed, we opened fire on it. However, the Ukrainian side of the security forces also opened fire from the airport. We do not exclude that their projectile got into this plane. ”

declared the leader of the Popular Front of the Lugansk Republic Alexey Chmilenko to the Interfax news agency.

At the same time, he completely excluded the participation of the Russians in the shelling of a transport worker, as reported by the official Kiev the day before.

“All these statements of the Ukrainian side about the allegedly Russian participation are utter nonsense. And then the Russian side? They are not here at all. Militiamen receive orders from our people's governor and execute them, and all these statements by the Ukrainian side about Russia's alleged involvement in these events are nonsense, designed to draw NATO and Russia into this conflict. ”

said Cmilenko.

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[podpolkovnik]

“All these statements of the Ukrainian side about the allegedly Russian participation are utter nonsense. And then the Russian side? They are not here at all. Militiamen receive orders from our people's governor and execute them, and all these statements by the Ukrainian side about Russia's alleged involvement in these events are nonsense, designed to draw NATO and Russia into this conflict. ”

Well, who would doubt it ...
VVP personally flew in from South America, zapendyuril from "Needle", and fled back ...

[MSA]

There is nothing surprising here, they already dream of Russia in terrible dreams.

[Giant thought]

Now it doesn’t matter who shot down. The important thing is that he is basically shot down, and that’s good.

[bddrus]

what nonsense? why fly so far? he will get out!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Now it will always be so ..

[kergudu straight]

Quote: MIKHAN

Now it will always be so ..

Right to the point, the Broiler 646

[Turbo rabbit]

This is called Maxim died, and to hell with it. The militias, as I understand it, sincerely do not care who failed him, the main thing is that this board will not bring anything else. And Ukrainians are to blame for the loss of board, because they are looking for a reason.

[AQUARIUS 65]

Turbo rabbit
And Ukrainians are to blame for the loss of board, because they’re looking for a reason

And again they do not stop: either this plane was shot down by some "powerful" air defense weapons of Russia, then they "contacted" its pilots, who also told them God knows what, then now that "only two members of the militia were captured crew, and the fate of the remaining six remains unknown "(this is with 6 crew members according to the AN-26 technical characteristics). It seems that the ATO leadership has gained experience in explaining the reasons for something, when replacing the questions: "What? Where? When? How? Why?" the only question comes: "Why the heck?"

[Ezhaak]

Quote: AQUARIUS 65

that plane was shot down by some "powerful" air defense systems of Russia

How??? Didn’t you see that our army conducted test firing with the latest C850 system? Techniques covered with an invisible cap and rockets in invisibility cloaks are launched from aircraft carpets.

[svetlomor]

There is nothing to fly over sovereign states, and who shot down is no longer important, the main thing is that they shot down.

[KUOLEMA]

All trouble lads from air conditioners and just do fly current Aeroflot

[Muadipus]

The issue of who shot down the plane remains a moot point.

- Sam exploded.

a little offtop

16.07.14. 02: 42 Message from the militia.

"The junta finally lost the initiative in the entire theater of war. The defeat of the southern cauldron is almost a fait accompli. The defeat of the punitive forces near Luhansk is already obvious to everyone. Thus, in the coming days, we should expect a cleanup of the southern border, an attempt to clear the Luhansk and Donetsk airports. After" mastering "the trophies of force militias and punitive forces will at least equalize (over the past two days, "replenishment" in heavy equipment has already numbered dozens of units), which will make it possible to start broad offensive operations.
In recent days, there have been reports that the junta is strenuously strengthening checkpoints in Zaporozhye (in Berdyansk, the Ukrainians are making fortifications digging in armored vehicles) and Kharkiv regions. Apparently not in vain. "

[Nina Zima]

Porosenko is not for you to lay out lollipops in boxes. Soon on Gilyak and live broadcast to the whole world, that would be remembered ....

[sazhka4]

Chermet, Tsvetmet. Probably now they work seven days a week. So much iron just roll from the sky .. "Heavenly manna .. Scientific explanation" has not yet been invented ... This is not the "Black Sea to dig" .. Yes, Putin is to blame for everything .. When e__ut, in the tail and mane (hryvnia). No time to think ... to save the eye ..

[Rus2012]

ukrovoyaki capable of much:
- fill up the peaceful civil Tu-154
- Tochoy-U to "flash" a residential building
and much more.
Against this background - to fill up your own An-26, it's like 2 fingers ...

To match them and their patrons.
Here about the armored cars, what cowboys gave them ... :)))))))))))

American bulletproof vests that were transferred to the Department of Defense, and then to the ATO zone as assistance, do not meet the standards of bulletproof vests. According to the punishers, the Ministry of Defense handed them body armor received as humanitarian aid from the United States. The management of anti-terrorist operation assures that they should keep a shot of SVD, and these are the only reliable vests.

However, the punishers have a different opinion. "Yes, they are comfortable, but they cannot protect us. They do not stand up to 5.45 or 7.62." Here is the consequence of the automatic cartridge 5,45:
...
But I'm sure that the Ukrainian patriots have already written comments on the 100500 website that this is Kiselev’s propaganda, and the bulletproof vests are wonderful, beautiful and, in appearance, quite like real ones.
Katsap bullets are simply wrong. This one is from Emérica, and they have everything so cool ... they have to keep cookies and armor, so they should keep a shot from the KPVT, and on Ruins of Independence Day - even a direct hit by an 155-mm howitzer shell.

[moody fin]

The Anglo-Saxons are the most Galilee gaunos on the planet ... there will be no wars.

[Neighbor]

In short, the plane was shot down at landing, dill claims that at an altitude of 6000 meters, who is to blame, what should I do?

[polite people]

Guys drive them faster from the border with Russia. God help you.

[predator.3]

Soldiers of the 72nd Mechanized Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
were surrounded in the area of ​​the village of Izvarino in the Lugansk region and already
the fourth day can not break through the ring. Security forces are serious
losses and cannot take out the dead and wounded due to dense fire
artillery militias, reports TSN.
The participants of the special operation
ammunition and provisions run out. Officers say brigade fighters
are in a critical situation, and argue that the command is not
does nothing to break the blockade and save
surrounded by the military.
“Our commanders are giving very strange orders.
We have seen many times how military KAMAZ trucks go across the border, but we
every time they gave the command "not to shoot." And we were only watching
transfer. There is a suspicion that among our commanders there are traitors.
For example, recently a convoy of 50 cars came to us, and only
30. Twenty of them were ambushed 10-15 km from Saur-Grave and were
destroyed ", - said one of the officers in an interview with the TV channel
"Espreso.TV".
According to him, the brigade does not enter into direct battles with
militias, but is subjected to constant shelling from a distance of
several tens of kilometers. "This is no longer defense. We just endure
defeat ", - stated the military.
The officer noted that
militiamen are firing from Grad, cannons and mortars, and over the place
Brigade deployments are constantly flying drones. He added that guns
hit from the border, but it is not clear from the territory of Ukraine or Russia.
The village of Izvarino is located on the border with Russia, it contains
checkpoint.
"We learned about the fact that we were cut off
only today from the battalion commander. And I’m the brigade commander
I saw only a few times two months ago, "he said.
"Estimate
our losses are very heavy. I talked with friends who came under
shelling near Zelenopolye: they told me that there died no less
200 fighters. And in anti-terrorist operation headquarters speak about 20. How much we will last so much
I do not know. Maybe another day or two. Or maybe we won't live to see the morning ", -
added on.
The channel’s interlocutor said that the fighters of the 79th airmobile and 24th mechanized brigades also got into the environment.
Spokesperson
SBU Anti-Terrorism Center (Security Service of Ukraine)
Vladislav Seleznev said that the command knows about the difficult situation
surrounded parts and is doing everything possible to save them.
On
According to him, the flight of the An-26 transporter (was shot down by militia on July 15)
was part of a plan to rescue blocked motorized rifles: the plane must
was to deliver them food and water. "We consider these guys heroes, we do not
have forgotten about them and are doing everything in our power to help them, "
- said Seleznev.

Read the full story: http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/16/07/2014/936771.shtml

[Roshchin]

A decent response from Ukrainian media outlets in their own spirit - they themselves were shot down, but who? Since MANPADS are aimed at their air conditioners, then dill shells are also aimed at their own aircraft, which are very hot during the flight.

[Gomunkul]

A decent response from Ukrainian media outlets in their own spirit - they themselves were shot down, but who?

I support you, it would be possible to add intrigue and say that the cargo that this aircraft was carrying was stolen before takeoff, and in order to hide the fact of theft, the pilots left the plane by parachutes and set fire to the plane.

[johnsnz]

I suggest that the ukram-siloviki shoot down not the planes, but deploy their guns and dash around Kiev. The resonance will be greater. And the FSB, VVP, GRU - everyone is already accustomed to the idea that "this is their handiwork." With such a ruling elite, you only have to fight with yourself! Maybe they will remember that you are hungry, unprotected ...

[Humpty]

What is there to look for a secret, no one knocked him, he himself clung to the air conditioner.

[Darth Vader]

Quote: MSA

There is nothing surprising here, they already dream of Russia in terrible dreams.

It is necessary that they shit at themselves from the mention of the word "RUSSIA" .... And this is not far off ..

[mitya-k]

Earlier it was reported that the fighters mark ammunition with inscriptions in the style of "For a Fascist"
Commanders do not mind fighting spirit and faith from this only stronger!
My question is, how could I get used to the music flow coming from the militia in the style of these songs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5b05ljR7Uw

[Nina Zima]

"The shelling of the Luhansk airport from MLRS and cannon artillery continues. In the area of ​​the surrounded airfield, its initial garrison and a part of the armored group that broke through on July 13-14 - up to 40-45 units of tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and self-propelled guns. in the calculation of the shelling, will begin to experience a shortage of ammunition. Yesterday, late in the evening, the RDG at 2 km of the Novobakhmutovka - Horlivka stretch of the Donetsk railway was undermined by paired and unpaired tracks to prevent the movement of the junta troops.

[KostA_RikA]

Quote: moody fin

The Anglo-Saxons are the most Galilee gaunos on the planet ... there will be no wars.

do not forget about the Jews

[Bombardier]

Let's not be like the Nazis. With Nazi slogans, I ask you not to speak at VO. The country must be made strong and respected throughout the world, then they will reckon with us and a hint will be enough to pull over the presumptuous.

[kelevra]

How can it be argued that the dill could also have shot down the plane! They themselves decided in the LPR, made a salvo from MANPADS or not! It feels as if the plane began to fall, it is not clear because of which everyone ascribed this merit to themselves, you need to introduce control!

[K-50]

Gasoline, however, ended the boss :)

[Appius]

What is the difference who shot down, most importantly, that shot down. One plane less at the Kiev junta.

[iron]

shoot down all kinds of different planes

[Nina Zima]

But who to believe, where to run? All roads lead to the Kremlin ...
Sorry, but Vladimir has more muscles and his ears are not sticking out ..

[Bombardier]

DONETSK, July 16 - RIA Novosti. The DNI militia continues shelling a column of Ukrainian security officials who wanted to break out of encirclement in the south of Donbass, the militia headquarters told RIA Novosti.
According to the militias, the security forces are trying to get to the base near Amvrosievka, but there is also restlessness in its vicinity. "There are a lot of explosions," a headquarters spokesman told RIA Novosti with reference to commander Igor Strelkov.
Earlier, militias reported that the columns of the Ukrainian army and the National Guard are trying to break out of encirclement in the south of Donetsk region. Tanks, self-propelled guns (self-propelled artillery installations, - ed.), Fuel trucks, buses and trucks with personnel were seen in the convoy. The National Guard on Wednesday morning said that near the village of Stepanovka and the Saur-Mogila barrow, the militia was firing at the positions of Ukrainian security forces from mortars, tanks and ATGMs. According to the National Guard, three security forces were injured.


RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/moscow/20140716/1016186949.html#ixzz37cSMmXsU

[K-50]

According to him, the brigade does not enter into direct battles with
militias, but is subjected to constant shelling from a distance of
several tens of kilometers.
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This is what they cherach them for? From fear, the eyes are large.
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There is a suspicion that among our commanders there are traitors.
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Again the "witch hunt" will begin, not the militias, so their own will crash.
one way out, give up and pray, maybe they will not shoot.

[den848]

dill kaput

[ydjin]

It seems that a good country could be. Factories worked, mines. Breadbreads grow! Divine garments! On holidays, Ukrainians and Russians could sit at a common table, drink, eat! Sleeping their songs ... But something seriously damaged many Ukrainians in the brain, since a handful of cookies could smash their country into the trash! But hope is warm in my soul, maybe sensible people still remained in the Ukrainian land? Can get sick? They rolled up their sleeves, scooped up all evil spirits, tidied up their homes and repented ...

[GHOST29RUS]

Campaign near dill completely went roof once their own planes shot down So they will soon kill each other

[wanderer_032]

An-26 fell apart on its own, from old age and overload.

[Dimas Tugarin]

Recall that the Tu-154 plane, which operated the Tel Aviv-Novosibirsk flight, crashed into the Black Sea off the coast of Crimea on October 4, 2001. Killed 12 crew members and 66 passengers, mostly Israeli citizens. As it was later irrefutably proved by the International Aviation Committee (IAC) commission, the aircraft was shot down by an S-200B anti-aircraft missile launched from a firing range near Feodosia during the Ukrainian air defense exercises. Not in the first air defense is stupid.