"Windbreaker" defended the Israeli tank from anti-tank missiles

Issued by Palestinian militants on Israeli border on Gaza tank the missile was successfully defused by the Vetrovka active defense system installed on the armored vehicle (Meil Ruach, export name - Trophy). As a result, there were no casualties, and the tank remained intact. It is reported NEWSru with reference to the press service of the IDF.

The Meil ​​Ruach defense system was created at the RAFAEL Arms Development Directorate. The new system, which began to be installed on Merkava tanks from 2006, creates something like an electronic canopy surrounding the car from all sides. The device detects the anti-tank missile in advance, identifies it and destroys it before it can reach the armor.

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[Cossack Ermak]

Something I do not believe.

[ShturmKGB]

In another article I read that the missile that was shot down was the Kornet ...

[melman]

Here is the video about which the news

[Muadipus]

Do not understand.

creates something similar to an electronic canopy surrounding the car from all directions. The device detects an anti-tank missile in advance, identifies it and destroys it before it manages to reach the armor.

Please explain what does an electronic canopy destroy a rocket mean? does a rocket explode in an electronic field? or are missiles mounted on the tank that hit an anti-tank missile?

[Nayhas]

Quote: Muadipus

Please explain what does an electronic canopy destroy a rocket mean?

A sensor system, this probably was meant ... well, and a control system for the striking elements.

[Pimply]

Quote: Muadipus

Please explain what does an electronic canopy destroy a rocket mean? does a rocket explode in an electronic field? or are missiles mounted on the tank that hit an anti-tank missile?

Shock core

[Muadipus]

Nayhas, Pimpy Thanks.

[cosmos111]

the first use of the KAZ "Trophy" in Israel dates back to 2011 ..

KAZ "Trophy" does not give a 100% guarantee, if the MBT Mk 4 armor will not be broken !!!!
it depends, first of all, on the power of the most tandem warhead ATGM system ....

but, even after breaking through the main armor, serious damage to the tank will not be inflicted ...

[Pimply]

Quote: cosmos111

KAZ "Trophy" does not give a 100% guarantee, if the MBT Mk 4 armor will not be broken !!!!
it depends, first of all, on the power of the most tandem warhead ATGM system ....

On the 1 of March, to be more precise, they fired from an RPG.
20 of March shmalnuli cornet

[bmv04636]

depends not only on the power of the warhead but also the intensity of the battle

[LaGlobal]

Quote: Muadipus

Do not understand.
creates something similar to an electronic canopy surrounding the car from all directions. The device detects an anti-tank missile in advance, identifies it and destroys it before it manages to reach the armor.

Please explain what does an electronic canopy destroy a rocket mean? does a rocket explode in an electronic field? or are missiles mounted on the tank that hit an anti-tank missile?

- I will join in dullness. + to everything, I immediately remembered the film "War of the Worlds", which starred Tom Cruise. There were such tripod legs, everyone was burned with lasers, but not a single shell could hit them. Like they were surrounded by an electromagnetic field ... But this protection was neutralized by ordinary terrestrial bacteria

- Does Merkava have such protection? ))))

[Pilat2009]

Quote: LaGlobal

Type they were surrounded by an electromagnetic field ... But ordinary Earth bacteria neutralized this defense

Speaking from a scientific point of view, it’s not electromagnetic but power, although if electromagnets control iron particles, it can be called so. And it turned off because the pilot died

[goose]

Nothing of the kind is worth it, of course.

I spoke with one IDF soldier, a physicist, he strongly doubted the possibility of adopting Arena-type systems, because the infantry squad operates in the immediate vicinity of the tank, and the operation of such a system could harm the surrounding infantry. This means that they were very frightened by the ATGM, since such a thing was installed. I am waiting for comments from our Israeli colleagues.

[voyaka uh]

Our infantry was not actually approaching the tanks.
More recently, there was a classic English tactic:
the infantry attacks on foot scattered, followed by 50 meters behind it.
One or two support tanks relied on the company.
But if you had to go through a heavily shot area,
then the infantry was allowed to hide behind the hull of the tank.
With the advent of these KAZs, tactics should also change.
But this must be asked young, I do not know.

[Hermes]

Quote: Muadipus

Please explain what does an electronic canopy destroy a rocket mean? does a rocket explode in an electronic field? or are missiles mounted on the tank that hit an anti-tank missile?

Trophy uses many shock micronuclei.

http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/SIP_STORAGE/FILES/5/1155.pdf

[Zerkalo]

Does the initiation of warhead occur? It’s a little incomprehensible, indeed, the principle.

[Lexx]

I see the activation of the active protection element. Here is the triggering of the KAZ Arena element - undermining what happens with the letter O

But was there just enough strength of the KAZ element to destroy ATGMs?

[cosmos111]

Quote: Lexx

But was there just enough strength of the KAZ element to destroy ATGMs?

this is where KAZ and DZ are needed (just not as "bald" as on the "modernized" T-72 B3))))))

the use of KAZ and DZ, give the necessary result, protect MBT, from almost all anti-tank systems .....

several hits on the side of the "Abrams" MBT with penetration, DZ and main armor ...

[Muadipus]

I understand that there is no interception of a rocket. The idea is to create a blast wave in the path of the rocket, as a result of which it undermines. In. as. Moreover, as I understand it, against anti-caliber shells, this thing will not help.

[Pimply]

Quote: Muadipus

At the same time, as I understand it, against anti-caliber shells, this thing will not help.

No, it won’t help. Another system is being developed against them, iron fist

[And Us Rat]

ShturmKGB

In another article I read that the missile that was shot down was the Kornet ...

It was a couple of years ago that they shot down today - it is still unknown. By the way, this is the second case in the last week, a couple of days ago the patrol car of the border guards was fired upon, the KAZ also worked, only another. ("Iron Fist" is put on light vehicles, and "Trophy" only on tanks)

[Committee]

Arena, Thrush.

[MAGGNUM]

Is it hard for you to google something?

Designed to protect tanks from anti-tank missiles. The system creates a protected hemisphere above the tank, tracking potential threats with the help of radars and destroying anti-tank missiles launched by the machine.

Scheme of action - a special detector determines where the fire is being fired from, then the on-board computer calculates the flight path of the ammunition and gives a command to the device, which destroys it on approach.

It consists of radars that detect and identify anti-tank guided missiles and rocket-propelled grenades, fire launchers that fire interceptors that destroy the warhead before it strikes. Elta radar of the Russian company, associated with four antennas located on the front and aft parts and sides of the platform and providing protection in the 360 ​​° sector, and two mechanisms developed by Rafael for the destruction of flying weapons placed on each side platforms.

The basic version, designed for installation on Merkava tanks, weighs 771 kg and has an automatic reloading system. Trophy Light (ASPRO-AL), which can be equipped with various armored vehicles weighing 15-30 tons, also has an automatic reloading system, a reduced launcher and weighs 454 kg. Trophy Ultra-Light (ASPRO-A-UL), designed for lighter vehicles, weighs only 270 kg, has only a few "anti-shells" and is not equipped with an automatic reloading system.

The system is able to repel several attacks simultaneously from different sides.

[dervis 65]

Well, and a stupid person once unbelievable!

[dervis 65]

Well, and a stupid person once unbelievable!

[Andrew 447]

A very controversial statement and the video does not have the state of Carrots after the operation of KAZ.

[Pimply]

Quote: Andrey 447

A very controversial statement and the video does not have the state of Carrots after the operation of KAZ.

They hide something (c) And scary eyes do o_O

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Andrew 447

A very controversial statement and the video does not have the state of Carrots after the operation of KAZ.

And what is there to look at? KAZ intercepts a rocket a few meters from the tank. Here's the video for you - it has a slow-motion shooting of the KAZ response.

[Andrew 447]

Yes, on the layout, but in the advertising and presentation video, you can show a lot. I have a question-whether this protection worked about six months ago when an armored personnel carrier drove past Carrot?

[Pimply]

Quote: Andrey 447

My question is, did this defense work about six months ago when an armored personnel carrier drove past Morkovka?

She, there was an incident. Since then, this has not been repeated

[Andrew 447]

That is, now armored personnel carriers do not go near or when they turn off KAZ nearby? This is not humor, this is my healthy skepticism. There is a question. In case of artillery ammunition detonation at 5-10 m from Carrot, how does KAZ react to fragments and shock wave? My questions as a professional (former) tanker are not easy. In my understanding, Morkovka is not a MBT, it is a BTT and a means of fire support for police operations against rebels who do not have a BTT and with a low TCP density. Under conditions of maintaining a database with comparable enemy forces and equipment, these KAZs, like pubic hair, cover, but do not protect. Although the desire to protect the crews is commendable.

[voyaka uh]

So I wonder why the former tanker suspected that Merkava -
not MBT? What elements of MBT are missing in Merkava? There is: 120 mm gun,
strong (and modern cermet) passive armor, advanced SLA,
1500 horsepower engine provides good mobility, 5-speed gearbox
makes it possible to make jerks, the suspension gives a smooth ride. Merkava has a good
sand and mud patency. What was missing?
Plus, the Merkava has "bonuses": the ability to take 2-4 people landing, KAZ,
the armor of the sides and the roof of the tower is more than 20 cm ... Not enough?

[Pimply]

Quote: Andrey 447

That is, now armored personnel carriers do not go nearby or when they disconnect nearby KAZ?

What stupid thing? There are always glitches in new systems. A single glitch surfaced in one case - they checked it, fixed it.

[Syrdon]

In Russia, this is also there for quite some time. Her name is Arena

[Pimply]

Quote: Syrdon

In Russia, this is also there for quite some time. Her name is Arena

The arena still remains at the prototype level

[bmv04636]

Arena-E is placed on the T-90AM tank

[Pimply]

Can be installed and installed - different things

[bmv04636]

we have, as always, the issue of financing

[bmv04636]

the T90AM (SM) tank is equipped with the KAZ Arena-E system; the question is whether this tank is in the arsenal of the Russian army and in what quantity, if any

[Aleks tv]

Quote: bmv04636

the KAZ Arena-E system is included in the configuration of the T90AM (SM) tank

Maxim, a little controversial statement ...
The T-90AM (SM) is equipped with an optoelectronic system from anti-tank weapons with laser GSN or LD.
Arena-E CAN to be included in the package.

Quote: bmv04636

is there a tank in service with the army of the Russian Federation and in what quantity if any

1-2 machines at UVZ in the MS version. Rides on exhibitions. It seems that one has already been dismantled (connected with Armata).
My last statement is an assumption, I hope more knowledgeable me correct.

[bmv04636]

it's like in a modern car pay and get
As I understand it, our military had claims to Kaz Arena-E that it works poorly in the upper sphere

[BYV]

Basically, you are right. KAZ "Arena" was created a long time ago, and by now it has been fully developed. However, our armored vehicles are still not equipped with it.

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Syrdon

In Russia, this is also there for quite some time. Her name is Arena

If I am not mistaken, the first active systems of protection were installed on T62 (thrush).
And the Israeli system, as it was said, "surrounds the tank with an electromagnetic" canopy "" - that is, just against non-abreks with outdated grenade launchers - for more "advanced" opponents, this "device" is of little use, since it unmasks the tank (in the radio range) at a great distance.
Also, you can probably direct weapons to the "exposure" from the "windbreaker"

[And Us Rat]

Quote: serega.fedotov

If I am not mistaken, the first active systems of protection were installed on T62 (thrush).
And the Israeli system, as they say, "surrounds the tank with an electromagnetic" canopy "

FAQ Are there torsion fields by chance?

Everything is much more prosaic, the tank is equipped with mini-radars and a "blizzard" of interceptor grenades.

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: And Us Rat

FAQ Are there torsion fields by chance?

For what I bought, and for that I sell! I did not accidentally remember the "thrush" - he was the forerunner of modern systems, only he acted in the front hemisphere of the tower (where the tower looks there and sews up)

[Uncle]

Quote: And Us Rat

Are there torsion fields by chance?

Radar is precisely the source of the EMP. On the radar signal, German submarines were found in World War II, they controlled the sky, being afraid of planes, and they found them just by "detecting" the radar signal, like we were traffic cops.

[Pimply]

Quote: serega.fedotov

And the Israeli system, as it was said, "surrounds the tank with an electromagnetic" canopy "" - that is, just against non-abreks with outdated grenade launchers - for more "advanced" opponents, this "device" is of little use, since it unmasks the tank (in the radio range) at a great distance.

Tell me, can this be somehow more clearly arranged?

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Pimply

Tell me, can this be somehow more clearly arranged?

Radars that create a "security sphere" can not "make noise" in the radio range_And that means they can be spotted and targeted!
Eat system sharpened against the enemy of the most advanced electronic warfare systems, and high-precision weapons
P, C Clearly put together is for philologists, But I’m sorry I didn’t visit the academies! (I have forgotten everything for a long time)

[Pimply]

Quote: serega.fedotov

, And I’m sorry I didn’t visit the academies! (I have forgotten everything for a long time)

Why academy? You are leading a discussion, there should be a thought, not a set of phrases. Could in the last comment explain what you are talking about.

And now we consider the situation that Merkava, too, in this case, is not in splendid isolation, but as part of a modern high-tech army

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Pimply

And now we consider the situation that Merkava, too, in this case, is not in splendid isolation, but as part of a modern high-tech army

But it’s scary to think about it: at first it’s mochilov, and in 5-6 days (the United States in Iraq lowered almost the entire stock of "tomahawks" in less than a month, and how much of that Iraqi was after being strangled by the sankts?) When all the "technological" ends will start classic-MSL in hand and go!
Of course, I exaggerate, but what happens if countries of the same level, armed with the most modern (read really untested) weapons, fight, no one will tell!
PS For Pupyrchaty: Do not be offended, they told me that my humor is very specific! With sincere respect

[Dmitry Toderes]

Quote: serega.fedotov

Quote: Syrdon

In Russia, this is also there for quite some time. Her name is Arena

If I am not mistaken, the first active systems of protection were installed on T62 (thrush).
And the Israeli system, as it was said, "surrounds the tank with an electromagnetic" canopy "" - that is, just against non-abreks with outdated grenade launchers - for more "advanced" opponents, this "device" is of little use, since it unmasks the tank (in the radio range) at a great distance.
Also, you can probably direct weapons to the "exposure" from the "windbreaker"

What !? Well, I heard in Russia they invented a prototype of a future air defense system (there was news on the site - I don’t remember what it’s called), which destroys a rocket (it burns all the sensors in its nose) with a directed microwave beam - this is possible from the point of view of physics; but what you write is fantasy. Have you played enough in Star Wars or in the Supreme commander?

[Giant thought]

A good windbreaker came from the Israelis.

[Natalia]

I wonder ........ how does it work?
Is this something like a “Blind” optical-electronic suppression system? how on the t-90?

[Grenader]

Quote: Natalia

Is this something like a “Blind” optical-electronic suppression system? how on the t-90?

Yes. Trophy was created by engineers who left for Israel from Russia, who had previously worked on the "Arena". "Curtain" is a slightly different device, it interferes with the enemy's aiming at the tank.

[Natalia]

Quote: Grenader

Trophy was created by engineers who left for Israel from Russia, who had previously worked on the "Arena".

Ahhhh, well, lose it is clear where all the praise israeli achievements ))))))

PS
Israelis do not worry, I'm just kidding ...

[Olkass]

Yes, they do not take a steam bath. As they stole, they steal.
Take the Galil submachine gun. Kaklashnikov, a little perfected.

[Pimply]

Quote: Olkass

Take the Galil submachine gun. Kaklashnikov, a little perfected.

And now we recall that, unlike most AK clones, Galil is an official clone (purchased through sublicensing), with a bunch of his original solutions, and the continuity from AK does not hide 8)

[bmv04636]

please tell me the license for a vigorous bomb has already been bought

[Pimply]

Quote: bmv04636

please tell me the license for a vigorous bomb has already been bought

First, it is not known for certain whether Israel has a nuclear bomb or not.
And secondly, this unknown nuclear bomb is a product of cooperation between Israel and France. France provided part of its technology, Israel responded with a cheap technology for producing heavy water

[Olkass]

As one of my friends used to say - Among thieves everything should be honest.

[Praetorian]

Yes. Jews lived in Russia, made us an Arena, then left for Israel and made themselves a Trophy. Stick on.

[Natalia]

I would really like to clarify one point ..... it says that

The device detects an anti-tank missile in advance, identifies it and destroys it before it manages to reach the armor.

That is ....... that specifically destroys the shell ?
Something like ...... Mlyn, force field (neither field a, electronic canopy) ...... what an electronic canopy.
what happens, some kind of electronic canopy is capable of breaking a rocket? What then is the power of this radiation?
And lope the tank, you need energy to actually develop such a field ... ???

That is, I wonder what specifically contributes to the undermining of the rocket itself?

For example, HAARP in Alaska is capable of breaking a rocket flying above itself. But the power of HAARP is not comparable with the power of a tank .....
...... explain someone, I do not understand

[Pimply]

Quote: Natalia

Something similar to ...... Mlyn, force field (neither field a, electronic canopy) ...... what for an electronic canopy.
what happens, some kind of electronic canopy is capable of breaking a rocket? What then is the power of this radiation?

Would you even read something about the system before you talk about it

[Natalia]

Quote: Pimply

Would you even read something about the system before you talk about it

Dear, I am on a site that does not tell you what is called? Military Review ...... and this is only in the first place.
Further. My dear friend, I specifically didn’t in any way oblige me to explain something. The world is not without good people, there is someone. And if you are lazy, then my little request can calmly do without your comments.
But as I understand it, you just can't wait to show off.
And therefore, dear friend, dump. Yeah?)
Well done)

[Pimply]

Quote: Natalia

And therefore, dear friend, dump. Yeah?)

Good girl, dumbfounded. AND? Does this somehow detract from the amount of nonsense you generate a la just to shout, maybe they pat everyone?
There is such a thing - a search engine. It helps to reduce the amount of nonsense, because it helps to find information on the issue from various sources. But this, as I understand it, is weak

[Natalia]

Quote: Pimply

Good girl, dumbfounded. AND? Does this somehow detract from the amount of nonsense you generate a la just to shout, maybe they pat everyone?

no, the point is not that, you are really a very harmful and nasty citizen ....
This can be seen from your various comments, from which it follows that you communicate with many forum users very boldly, and sometimes just disgustingly .... there is no elementary respect for the interlocutors

[Pimply]

Quote: Natalia

no, the point is not that, you are really a very harmful and nasty citizen ....

I do not like idle talk and stupidity; What can I do? Called a cargo - climb into the back.

Quote: Natalia

there is no elementary respect for the interlocutors

Respect must be earned, not handed out for beautiful eyes. I am for gender equality. You will start to say smart things, before you blurt out something on the topic, read a dozen articles on it - that will be your respect. And with "I'm a girl, what I want and say" - go to the Cosmo forum. There will not be as rude as I am.

[Natalia]

Quote: Pimply

There will not be so rude as me.

And you will not be here
Well, that is ...... not quite so ....
But to me that now, to bicker with you.

[Pimply]

Quote: Natalia

And you will not be here

Wait and see

[bif]

Quote: Natalia

there is no elementary respect for the interlocutors

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Pimply

Good girl, dumbfounded.

And punted, Zhenya is beautiful! So no one has sent you yet! And most importantly - reasonably!

Quote: Pimply

There is such a thing - a search engine.

As the girl told you, this is Military Review, and involves live communication of competent people (to which I do not rank myself). It seems to me that the question was designed for this, and the search engine is a long search for boilerplate information. And you as usual (saying) ) - in each .... barrel a gag.

[Pimply]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And punted, Zhenya is beautiful! So no one has sent you yet! And most importantly - reasonably!

Is there anything beautiful about Ponte? This is usually an attempt to cover up the lack of argument.

Quote: Ingvar 72

As the girl told you, this is a military review, and involves live communication of competent people (to which I do not rank myself).

Live communication does not mean stupid hat-throwing

Quote: Ingvar 72

and the search engine is a long search for boilerplate information.

You can start at least with this.

[Goalkeeper]

Quote: Natalia

Quote: Pimply

Would you even read something about the system before you talk about it

Dear, I am on a site that does not tell you what is called? Military Review ...... and this is only in the first place.
Further. My dear friend, I specifically didn’t in any way oblige me to explain something. The world is not without good people, there is someone. And if you are lazy, then my little request can calmly do without your comments.
But as I understand it, you just can't wait to show off.
And therefore, dear friend, dump. Yeah?)
Well done)

Natalia, you are sick! You need a doctor ... Dr. Dick!

[Pimply]

Quote: Goalkeeper

Natalia, you are sick! You need a doctor ... Dr. Dick!

More polite, dear. The fact that the interlocutor (in this case mine) says obvious nonsense and snarls (which is generally understandable) is not a reason for outright rudeness. Especially if the interlocutor is a lady

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Goalkeeper

Natalia, you are sick! Do you need a doctor ...

Search, Goalkeeper.

One minus mine.

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: Aleks tv

One minus mine.

one more mine, but pimply a couple of minuses earlier on the comment:

Quote: Aleks tv

More polite, dear. The fact that the interlocutor (in this case mine) says obvious nonsense and snarls (which is generally understandable) is not a reason for outright rudeness. Especially if the interlocutor is a lady

I’m surprisingly giving you a plus. Views by views, opinions by opinions, and upbringing has not been canceled. One thing is harsh irony, and quite another outright rudeness.
Do not consider it a sneak, but it is for this that I respect the professor - he never switches to banal rudeness.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: velikoros-xnumx

I’m surprisingly giving you a plus.

Michael, this is not my quote ...
It happens.

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: Aleks tv

Michael, this is not my quote ...
It happens.

Yes, yes, I incorrectly inserted the quote, the phrase is pimply, and your signature is obtained. I apologize Commentary related to pimply.

[sskalinin]

Dear, you would find out your relationship in PM! Do not litter the network

[Natalia]

Quote: ssskalinin

Dear, you would find out your relationship in PM! Do not litter the network

Do not litter the air, go to another wave .... want to say ))))
Yes Yes....)

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: Natalia

And therefore, dear friend, dump. wink yeah?)
Well done)

Ah well done. Immediately you can see ours - and the horse on the gallop, and ... pimpled for the belt .

[Grenader]

Quote: Natalia

Something similar to ...... request Mlyn, force field (neither field a, electronic canopy) ...... what for an electronic canopy.
what is it, what kind of electronic canopy can break a rocket? What then is the power of this radiation?

There is no force field. The "Trophy" system does not work on the same principles as our "Arena", the difference in striking elements.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Natalia

That is ....... that specifically destroys the shell

A warhead with an explosive charge and a "buckshot" charge directed towards the attacking ammunition is detonated upon a signal from the defense system. The protective system consists of sensors located on the tank hull or on a separate rod. Usually they use a mm-range radar station capable of quickly identifying an approaching nasty thing, this is the very "electronic field". As a result, the anti-tank missile or rocket-propelled grenade is destroyed because the material from which they are usually made is aluminum ... a rather thin layer and plastic ... The attacking ammunition may not explode, but it fails and does not pose any more danger ... Another thing is armor-piercing sub-caliber projectile ...

Quote: Natalia

For example, HAARP in Alaska is capable of breaking a rocket flying above itself. But the power of HAARP is not comparable with the power of a tank .....

The construction for the study of the earth’s ionosphere called HAARP cannot cause any harm to objects flying over it. Yes, and closed it recently ...

[Natalia]

Quote: Nayhas

The construction for the study of the earth’s ionosphere called HAARP cannot cause any harm to objects flying over it. Yes, and closed it recently ...

I'm afraid you have not quite accurate information ....
One of the tasks of the HAARP was, quote: "The complex of ionospheric research (HAARP) was built to study the nature of the ionosphere and the development of anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense systems."
And it’s no secret that the Harp system can heat separate areas of the ionosphere several tens of meters thick.

[Pimply]

Quote: Grenader

Yes. Trophy was created by engineers who left for Israel from Russia, who had previously worked on the "Arena"

Tell me, what kind of nonsense are you talking about? The Israeli military-industrial complex generally has few immigrants from the former USSR.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Pimply

Tell me, what kind of nonsense are you talking about? The Israeli military-industrial complex generally has few immigrants from the former USSR.

Why destroy myths? All the good things in the world were done by the Russians who for some reason fled from their homeland, but those who remained proud of them and consider themselves involved in their achievements. True, the majority of those who escaped seem to be not entirely Russian ... But is this really important? It was in Russia / the USSR that they were lives, fash-mi, chur-mi, hoh-mi, etc. but there, abroad, having achieved great success, they immediately became our Russians!

[Flooding]

Quote: Nayhas

It was in Russia / the USSR that they were lives, fash-mi, chur-mi, hoh-mi, etc. but there, abroad, having achieved great success, they immediately became our Russians!

Sometimes it happens that the attitude towards a person depends not on his nationality, but on the amount of crap belched up per unit of time.

[bmv04636]

and generally immigrants from Russia and the USSR can only lie on the stove and hait everyone

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Grenader

Yes. Trophy was created by engineers who left for Israel from Russia, who had previously worked on the "Arena".

Do not write nonsense. These are two ABSOLUTELY different systems, starting from the range of electronics and radar devices, ending with the way of hitting a target.
And the Isail engineering school is fundamentally different from the Soviet one.

[Michael_59]

Quote: And Us Rat

coordinately

What?

[nvn_co]

Ha, cool thing! Do we have such a thread?

[Aleks tv]

Quote: nvn_co

Do we have such a thread?

Thrush, Arena, Arena-E.
Now in the development of Afghanistan.

KAZ is a rather interesting means of protection and should have been installed on our armored vehicles in LINEAR units long ago.
Back at the end of the 80, the BTViT teachers did not hide the readiness of the production of these systems in SERIES.

But KAZ is not a universal panacea. It must be used wisely. based on theater and tactics.
The IDF in this - well done, this must be recognized.

Photo:
Arena-E at T-72Б3. Nizhny Tagil-2013
clickable

[Pimply]

Quote: Aleks tv

Thrush, Arena, Arena-E.

I'm still interested in the topic with the repeatedly approved, but not confirmed serial production of Drozd. He shone only on one photo from Azerbaijan. Are there any interesting additional data on the system?

Quote: Aleks tv

But KAZ is not a universal panacea. It must be used wisely based on the theater of war and tactics.

absolutely right. Absolute weapons do not exist

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Pimply

Are there any interesting additional data on the system?

Eugene, infa that is.
But personally, I did not meet them in the LINEAR parts ... maybe it’s just unlucky, because I worked on the T-72B, and not on more cars stuffed with electronics.
Surely there are in the warehouses of the RAB.

[Pimply]

Quote: Aleks tv

But personally, I did not meet them in the LINEAR parts ... maybe it’s just unlucky, because I worked on the T-72B, and not on more cars stuffed with electronics.
Surely there are in the warehouses of the RAB.

The devil knows him. I dig, I ask. Often I come across OBS, and the real information on the issue - the cat burst into tears (quantity, application, etc.). There are a lot of rumors, and from the reliable - one photo

[Praetorian]

Yes there is something like this

[Ivar]

Well that is like our "Arena".

[Gorjelin]

Quote: DEZINTO

Well, straight Star Craft of some kind. ... Well then, if success really works then. Well done.

well proton protos shield

[Wolka]

the most interesting, but we already have something similar, is undergoing tests, but everything is classified, you can’t say ...

[tilix]

Anti-tank missiles - must be negotiated - Cornet

[Tan4ik]

We all guess whose article this is.

[Gorbtk]

But technically, what destroys it - by the wind or something ... An article on the verge of rumors ...

[adept666]

Most likely a cloud of damaging elements, as in the Russian Arena.

[kergudu straight]

As I understand it, the grenade was destroyed by the pressure drop, when a flying rocket was detected, the crew triggered a point-and-click reflex and, after a joint bunch, created an excess of pressure, stronger than the granite dome, which any rocket simply could not overcome

[Pimply]

Quote: Kergudo Straight

As I understand it, the grenade was destroyed by the pressure drop, when a flying rocket was detected, the crew triggered a point-and-click reflex and, after a joint bunch, created an excess of pressure, stronger than the granite dome, which any rocket simply could not overcome

Ingenious. Where to award a prize for the best joke?

[Roman 1977]

Well, we can congratulate the Israeli military-industrial complex with another success. The Israelis took into account the mistakes of the operation in Lebanon, when it was the "Cornet" that caused the main losses to the Israeli "Merkavas" and created an "antidote", how effective it will be in the future, but as one labeled one said: "The process has begun" ...

It should be noted that the USSR possessed such technologies back in 1983 (the Drozd system and the later Arena systems) The head developer of the Arena system is the Kolomna Machine Building Design Bureau. Chief Designer - Nikolai Ivanovich Gushchin.
A multifunctional radar with an "instant" view of the space in the entire protected sector and high noise immunity provides a search for targets flying to the tank. Then the station is transferred to the auto tracking mode, generating the parameters of the target’s movement and transmitting them to the computer, which selects the number of protective ammunition and the time of its operation. Protective ammunition forms a bunch of damaging elements that destroy the target on approaching the tank. The time from target detection to its defeat is no more than 0,07 seconds. In 0,2-0,4 seconds after a protective shot, the complex is again ready to “shoot” another target. Each protective munition fires at its sector, and the sectors of nearby ammunition overlap, which ensures the interception of several targets approaching from one direction. The complex is all-weather and "all-day", it is able to work when the tank is moving, when turning the tower. An important problem that the developers of the complex successfully resolved was the electromagnetic compatibility of several tanks equipped with the Arena and operating in a single group.

The T-80UM-1 tank with KAZ Arena was first publicly demonstrated in Omsk in the fall of the 1997 of the year.

In addition to tanks, the Arena system can be installed on other armored vehicles, such as the BMP-3.

[Pimply]

Nevertheless, the system still has not gone into production.

[Roman 1977]

The Drozd active defense system was the first of its kind to use a radar. Shells and missiles arriving at 70-700 / sec speeds were tracked by radar modules in the mm wave spectrum mounted on the sides of the tower. KAZ "Drozd" had 107-mm 9kg rocket-launchers, which were placed in 2 cartridges of four launch mines to cover the sector between them in 80 city. The rocket was selected by computer. The missiles had a fuse, driving them at a distance of 7 meters from the armored car. The resulting fragments destroyed the missile, or deformed its cumulative warhead so that the efficiency fell significantly.

KAZ "Drozd" on T-80U

launchers KAZ "Drozd"
Work on KAZ Drozd at the beginning of the 1990's, however, a similar system appeared on the T-1997 in 80, and after 2, they informed about the modernized version of the Drozd-2.
T-72М1М (T-72М1К; object 172М2, not to be confused with the object “Buffalo” 172-М2 / 172М-2М) - an export modernization of the T-72М1 tank equipped with a satellite navigation system, a new automated control system. Initially, KAZT Arena was equipped with a mixed DZ complex, Contact 5 on the VLD, and Relikt on the tower (then the tank was probably just a running model), later the full complex of Relic DZ was installed, and KAZT Arena was removed .

Modernization of the T-72 tank (armored protection)

But our tank builders took a different path, so on the T-90 of the first series (“Object 188”), a set of optical-electronic suppression system “Shtora-1” was installed, similar to that installed on the T-80, providing the tank with protection against the most common guided anti-tank weapons, such as ATGMs with command semi-automatic guidance systems such as "TOW", "Hot", "Milan", "Dragon" and weapons with laser homing heads such as "Maverick", "Hellfire", "Copperhead" due to the creation of active interference with their guidance . 2 floodlights TShU-1-7 / 7M create interference in the infrared range, sights and GOS.

In addition, as you know, the production of the T-80 was discontinued in 1998, and it was decided to focus on the production of the modernized T-72. Let's see what will be installed on the "Armata"

[Evgeny_Lev]

Below I suggested using a tandem EMP charge + commutative warhead against all this electronic "junk".

The EMP warhead is triggered earlier than the striking warhead, disables the radars, the equipped warhead strikes the target.

[MACCABI TLV]

judging by the drawn diagram, if ATGM is flying into the roof, then Arena will not destroy it ??? !!!

[cosmos111]

that, excellent KAZ, we have a field of "modernization" not one T-72 B3, did not receive, KAZ "Arena" .....

here, the difference to the lives of tank soldiers here in Russia and in them, in Israel ...

[Tan4ik]

are you from the wrong places?

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Tan4ik

are you from the wrong places?

Are you talking about cosmos111 ???

I dare to assure you, Boris, that NO.

I know Andrey well personally.

And to the success of the IDF, I, as a Soviet and Russian tanker, also respectfully, especially to the safety of the lives of the crews.
And there is nothing wrong with that.

[bmv04636]

The windbreaker is placed only on Merkava Mk4

[The Art of War]

Andrey! Yes, the Arena is not visible on the modernized tanks and BMP-3 and BMD-4 I somehow read that the Arena is a little expensive And so the system is very necessary for military equipment ! Ideally, put the Arena and Curtain!

[The Art of War]

The necessary protection system!

[The Art of War]

Video to be continued!

[goose]

Quote: tilix

Anti-tank missiles - must be negotiated - Cornet

Does it need to be understood that against AGM-65, AGM-114, BGM-71, 9M120, 9M121, 9K14, 9M17, 9K113, 9K115, 9K111, PARS-3, ATGW-3LR, SPIKE, M-47, Javelin, Eryx etc. Does this system not work?

[tilix]

You need to understand that the rocket launched - cornetwhich Hamas had high hopes for. And nothing else. The rest are out of the question.

[kirqiz ssr]

Cornet can be thrown into the landfill in this case.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Kirqiz SSR

Cornet can be thrown into the landfill in this case.

Why on earth? Modern weapons with enormous potential. By the way, as events in Ukraine show, even Mosinka is quite a serious weapon in capable hands.

[ilya_oz]

How is the type of rocket known? In this video, the tank is hard to see.

[Professor]

Quote: ilya_oz

How is the type of rocket known? In this video, the tank is hard to see.

They identified it from the remains.

[sgt. List]

If I am not mistaken, then the TShU-1-7 system is also installed on our tanks. He worked in 2012 at its production. SKB "Zenith" In Zelenograd collects. Quoting from their website:
"For individual protection of armored vehicles from anti-tank missile
complexes (ATGM) such as "Fagot", "Konkurs", "TOU", "Hot", "Milan", "Dragon", "Cobra", "AT-3" and others, using a semi-automatic guidance system in the infrared range , the station of optoelectronic countermeasures TSHU-1-7 is intended. The principle of operation of the TSHU-1-7 station is to put infrared noise interference into the ATGM control loop, which significantly reduces the likelihood of missiles hitting the protected object. "
http://skb-zenit.ru/component/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,2/

[KALININGRAD]

Sholomov most likely ....... in Russian

Do not swear, otherwise we will remove Vadivak

[DanG73]

Quote: KALININGRAD

Sholomov probably sp .... stayed with the Russians

Is it just what would insert koment?
Look at the performance characteristics and note that the "windbreaker" and "arena" work on different principles

[sssla]

Quote: DanG73

work on different principles

On different??? Well, at least a few words explain on what different

[VNP1958PVN]

Advertising and anti-advertising is the engine of trade!

[Bombardier]

I don’t see anything surprising here. Israel is constantly on high alert.
This is the reason for the mobilization (training) of not only the personnel of the Armed Forces, but also the military-industrial complex. I saw something interesting, get it, improve it and introduce it in your country! This is what the USSR did before, and rightly so! I will say one thing - we relaxed. The world does not stand still, you should not be shy to learn from the same Israelis, Americans, British, Germans, French, etc. - choose the best, bring your own and there will be a peaceful sky for us.

[STALGRAD76]

The crap is that we all have these systems, but it's not cheap .......

[MACCABI TLV]

Is tanker's life cheap?

[sgt. List]

Optoelectronic counteraction station TShU-1-7M

[tor11121]

oh real machine! ADVERTISING DOES NOT NEED!

[bmv04636]

congratulate the professor on the initiative. True, there was an article about the Chinese third-generation ATGM as I understand the tests will be conducted just in Palestine.
And let the Cornet developers think how to break through the windbreaker. Although the technology is the first high-explosive rocket with shrapnel made of tungsten balls that is blown up to a distance of about 30-50 meters from the KAZ missile defense, the second cumulative one that pierces the tank

[Professor]

Quote: bmv04636

congratulate the professor on the initiative.

What is the initiative? This is the third combat interception.

[Pimply]

If I am not mistaken, the fourth
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4263283,00.html

[Professor]

Quote: Pimply

If I am not mistaken, the fourth
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4263283,00.html

Yesterday by 10th claimed that the third.

[Pimply]

Quote: professor

Yesterday on 10 they claimed that the third.

Xs

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Pimply

Quote: professor

Yesterday on 10 they claimed that the third.

Xs

There were still interceptions, but another system (Iron Fist), the other day they wrote that they launched an ATGM patrol car, and the system worked protecting the car.

[bmv04636]

the first one that was voiced here

[Professor]

Quote: bmv04636

the first one that was voiced here

The first one you heard about. Google banned again?

[bmv04636]

I had a note and video
there is information about what old model or new Cornet-D (EM)

[Professor]

Quote: bmv04636

I had a note and video

And I posted the note on this site, you simply were not in the subject and are not able to admit it.

[bmv04636]

thanks for the information, it's just that I’m not here long ago
while on and without terrorist attacks, 16 were killed and 161 were injured in the subway

[bmv04636]

how are windbreaker upgrades progressing to intercept supersonic anti-tank ammunition

[Pimply]

Quote: bmv04636

how are windbreaker upgrades progressing to intercept supersonic anti-tank ammunition

They do not seem to work in this direction. In this vein, their competitors plow with iron fist

[bubla5]

But what if we put the Cornet and the new ammunition with a double module

[Pimply]

Quote: bubla5

But what if we put the Cornet and the new ammunition with a double module

The developers announced the readiness of the system to combat such complexes

[domiemon]

The former director of Basalt says in an interview that Hook has special ammunition to overcome such a system. True, no one checked it specifically on the windbreaker
http://vpk.name/news/33520_izrailskaya_sistema_aktivnoi_zashityi_tankov_trofi_ka
k_i_lyubaya_drugaya_podobnaya_sistema_preodolimyi.html

[melnik]

What a tolerant website is becoming! Dear Admin, can Martians be scolded? Or is it also not politically correct today?

[Pimply]

Quote: melnik

What a tolerant website is becoming! Dear Admin, can Martians be scolded? Or is it also not politically correct today?

Read the rules

[Vadivak]

Quote: melnik

Dear Admin, can Martians be scolded

Martian is possible because there is a precedent

[Mama_Cholli]

Windbreaker. Detection of a rocket and a shot in its direction of the striking element. The idea is good, but it’s interesting how it will work if there is more than one shot at the tank at the same time. Is a quick reload of the striking element intended?

[MACCABI TLV]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

but I wonder how it will work if at the same time there will be more than one shot at the tank.

this is not a trivial task at all. to shoot at the same time is a drop dead right and brilliant ambush (almost laboratory conditions).

[MSA]

Strong little thing

[Mama_Cholli]

Let's see how it will lead in a real battle. Something tells me that the system is disposable.

[Pimply]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Let's see how it will lead in a real battle. Something tells me that the system is disposable.

That is, this is not real?

[bmv04636]

Well, not really a fight. Agree, this is a solitary attack by a single group of terrorists.

[Pimply]

Quote: bmv04636

Well, not really a fight. Agree, this is a solitary attack by a single group of terrorists.

An outing of a group of terrorists is not a fight? Oh well

[Professor]

Quote: Pimply

That is, this is not real?

It is understood that the terrorists fired an empty rocket without a warhead by sending an SMS to the crew before this ...

[bmv04636]

the battle is when the gunners roar the bullets whistle, and this can be said a single shot; someone can say a terrorist attack; someone guerrilla sortie is fleeting in time; they fought a battle for an hour or two. They shot and hit the road but they didn’t get an answer, and the professor promised that at least Merkava Mk.4 should have fired and destroyed the adversary. however, she kept silent once the video on the network was all alive and well
Although this is the right direction, active defense will continue to develop.

[Pimply]

Quote: bmv04636

They shot and hit the road but didn’t get an answer, and the professor promised that at least Merkava Mk.4 should have fired and destroyed the adversary. however, she kept silent once the video on the network was all alive and well

Shelling and shooting from different points are underway, the shooting was interrupted at the time of the explosion of Cornet. But what happened next is a big question.

[bmv04636]

I didn’t understand that the shooter was destroyed, and the video shows that Merkava didn’t answer, although she immediately had to turn the tower towards the shot

[STALGRAD76]

Probably KAZ has proved its effectiveness, I think that the time has come to put such systems on our equipment sarino.

[Michael_59]

Damn, why did they attack the Trophy like the Bedouins attack the locusts?
The protection system works - and this is wonderful, but how could it be otherwise, why then all the scientific and technical progress, design schools, advanced technologies, etc.
I just doubt that there is a fundamental difference between the mechanism of action of "Trophy" and "Arena".
The effectiveness of the system is very high, in addition, its presence on the armored car increases the military spirit of the crew, who knows that out of 4 ATGMs 3 are not guaranteed to reach armor, but rather, they will not even make the DZ work.
Would turn their emotional excitement towards the officials of the RF Ministry of Defense, under which the MBT of the army underwent such a "modernization", which raises a lot of questions from people more or less prepared in engineering terms ...

[Appius]

Good protection, well done Israelis, think about the safety of their tankers.

[Black]

it is necessary to train the fighting moles ... and LOW TO BLOCK !!!!!

But seriously ... how will the windbreaker work when the projectile speed increases, say, twice?

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Chen

But seriously ... how will the windbreaker work when the projectile speed increases, say, twice?

KAZ have limitations.
Armor-piercing-sub-caliber traditionally have a high INITIAL projectile speed.
He’s a crowbar.
This is problem All KAZ, which is currently being decided, the maximum that they can so far is to change the flight path.

IMHO, as there are other opinions.

[Black]

Well, about the sub-caliber is understandable ... And if the ATGM like Cornet will fly faster ??? And if in tandem, two at once, trace-in-trace ??
Amateur questions ...

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Chen

And if an ATGM like Cornet will fly faster ???

Sergey, if I’m not mistaken, there are already achievements on increasing the initial velocity of cumulative ammunition to 1000 m / s and higher, this will be a disaster for KAZ.

Quote: Chen

And if in tandem, just two, trace-in-trace ??

There are already such systems with a double shot, just to overcome the KAZ, the system simply does not have time to get into combat mode after detonating the target simulator (each KAZ has its "own" milliseconds)
For example RPG-30.

[Kars]

Quote: Aleks tv

there are already achievements on increasing the initial velocity of cumulative ammunition to 1000 m / s

vryatli in this case, a compact unit will be received, and you can even forget about the portable one

Quote: Aleks tv

There are already such systems with a double shot, just to overcome KAZ.
For example RPG-30

there are a lot of questions, but doubts are gnawing at me that this cannot be avoided with advanced electronics, here you will need at least three-odd ammunition with an interval of less than a second.

By the way, you might be interested
http://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/285462.html

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Kars

vryatli in this case, a compact unit will be received, and you can even forget about the portable one

Greetings, Andrew.

Yeah, I totally agree.

Frankly speaking, he lost records of work on reaching cumulative munitions with an initial velocity above 1000 m / s ...
Someone has links and info?
I will be grateful.

ps Thanks for the link ...
Bulat used in SE?
Wow...

[Kars]

Quote: Aleks tv

Frankly, I lost records of work to achieve cumulative ammunition

it’s not a matter of commutative ammunition, but of its carrier, the tank guns of the KS reach almost 900 m / s, and here we need a Pturs rocket which is now accelerated to 250-300 m / s and is already very large.

Quote: Aleks tv

Bulat used in SE?
Wow...

They’ve been there for three weeks already, this is still the first photo of the lined one. There is also a video with tankers along the way those who hit the machine gun.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Kars

There is still a video with tankers along the way those who were beaten out of the machine gun.

Yes, I watched the video ...
A depressing sight - I didn’t see a TANKIST there ... neither by dialect, nor by style of communication ... and they are on the most complicated T-64 ???
heh.
By the way, the military, as such, in the video also did not see ...

And on the fact of the positive application of 12,7mm by T-64 - yes, they themselves confirmed.
Until now, IT is surprising, they have already discussed it in detail earlier (by the way - the sides of this car are CLOSED by a raised side with DZ ... but the small rollers open the weakened zone, which we talked about.)

[Kars]

Quote: Aleks tv

A depressing sight - I didn’t see a TANKIST there ... neither by dialect, nor by style of communication ... and they are on the most complicated T-64 ???

Something like this - it’s hard to drive others into the Danbass, and vryatli they agree to an interview with open faces.

Quote: Aleks tv

And on the fact of the positive application of 12,7mm by T-64 - yes, they themselves confirmed.

Yes, but they didn’t confirm the explosion of the ammunition and the death of two tanks, or did I miss something? I didn’t doubt that the mounted sights were crushed and so on - and again there was a mention of missile hits.
burning - this is understandable that the outer tanks burned.

[Pimply]

Quote: Aleks tv

There are already such systems with a double shot, just to overcome the KAZ, the system simply does not have time to get into combat mode after detonating the target simulator (each KAZ has its "own" milliseconds)
For example RPG-30.

The only question is whether it will be effective. Because the developers answered this question and spoke with confidence that they provided such an option

[voyaka uh]

KAZ in this case, if smart, should not react
on the first rocket and intercept the second. I do not know, implemented
whether it is, but the logic of counteraction is clear.

You, of course, can ask: "what if 5 ATGM men at the same time
will shoot at one tank? "- each defense has its own limitations.
Therefore, Israel, along with the KAZs, is improving the passive
armor.

[MACCABI TLV]

Quote: voyaka uh

You, of course, can ask: "what if 5 ATGM men at the same time
shoot in one tank?

5 ptura is ... at least 350 tons of money. Hypothetically possible, practically never will be.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Aleks tv

Quote: Chen

And if in tandem, just two, trace-in-trace ??

There are already such systems with a double shot, just to overcome the KAZ, the system simply does not have time to get into combat mode after detonating the target simulator (each KAZ has its "own" milliseconds)
For example RPG-30.

The problem of RPG-30 is solved by updating the KAZ software. The first disc is smaller in size, the on-board computer distinguishes it from the larger main ammunition that goes almost immediately after, passes the blank (which will not cause much harm to the armor) and works on the main ammunition.
The danger of the RPG-30 in this case is more likely to be lightly armored targets, which can cause damage to the disc (to break through the bulletproof glass of a patrol jeep, for example, and injure the crew). Against a tank with a KAZ, a PU with two (and ideally three) balanced, ammunition of ammunition would have been more effective ... but there are already massive problems for infantry in terms of mobility and flexibility of use.

[Pimply]

Quote: Aleks tv

Armor-piercing-sub-caliber traditionally have a high INITIAL projectile speed.

It seems that on tests of another system - Iron Fist - the sub-caliber still managed to bring down

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Pimply

It seems that on tests of another system - Iron Fist - the sub-caliber still managed to bring down

Eugene, is there more info?
Very interesting...

Simple crowbars come forward in perspective ...
Not to mention a simple blank shot of "Genocide", which I, as a tanker, have always feared.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Aleks tv
Eugene, is there more info?
[b

Very interesting ... [/ b]
Simple crowbars come forward in perspective ...
Not to mention a simple blank shot of "Genocide", which I, as a tanker, have always feared.

Search English Iron Fist Test USA.

[Pimply]

http://www.israeldefense.co.il/?CategoryID=411&ArticleID=228

In Hebrew. You can look through the google translator

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Search English Iron Fist Test USA.

Quote: Pimply

In Hebrew. You can look through the google translator

Thanks Aron, Eugene ...
Eh, mother told me - teach my son foreign languages, learn ...

[corporal]

Quote: Aleks tv

shot "Genocide",

Do not enlighten, what kind of miracle is this (Google does not give anything)?
Thanks in advance.

[Thunderbolt]

“Hyacinth-S” was so called

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Corporal

Do not enlighten, what kind of miracle is this (Google does not give anything)?

Quote: Thunderbolt

“Hyacinth-S” was so called

Yeah ... 2С5, radish.

[Thunderbolt]

thought you were sleeping ...)))

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Thunderbolt

thought you were sleeping

I'm already sleeping, namesake ...

We have half past five.
I put out the light, drain the oil - I press it for 300 minutes.

[ALP]

In corrupt Russia, there has long been a brainchild of the great genius of offensive and defensive systems, Sergei Invincible, called "Arena", which in the late 80s showed its effectiveness.

[Black]

Quote: ALP

In corrupt Russia,

... the first comment on the site ... and IMMEDIATELY - from positive !!! Well done!!!

[Evgeny_Lev]

And what prevents the creation of ammunition with an EMP warhead + comulative (or crowbar, as an option)?

The EMP is activated in close proximity, to the threshold of operation of the KAZ, albeit for a second, but disables the entire settlement system. This main warhead should be enough to fly up and destroy the target.

Due to the proximity of the operation of the EMP warhead, you can score to protect your own electronics shell.
What say

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Evgeny_Lev

The EMR is activated in close proximity, to the threshold of operation of the KAZ, albeit for a second, but it incapacitates the entire settlement system ...

It will not work out, ANY military electronics is created (since the advent of the nuclear bomb) in the calculation of maintaining operability under the conditions of EMR exposure. It is only in Hollywood films that a high-altitude nuclear explosion suppresses everything and everything, in reality only civilian infrastructures are vulnerable, and not all of them - strategic ones have a level of protection against electromagnetic radiation similar to military.

[Evgeny_Lev]

No need la la, you can normally interfere with the work of a computing system tied to radar data.
Too many calculations and too little time for them and their duplication.
EMR is able to bring down the process, so that the warhead could reach the goal. There you don’t need to completely extinguish everything, stupidly hindrance, and the warhead is already out of the reach of the KAZ trajectory

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Evgeny_Lev

No need la la, you can normally interfere with the work of a computing system tied to radar data.
Too many calculations and too little time for them and their duplication.

If the calculator count. What does the system need? Detection distance data and object speed. The output is a banal timer start until the moment of collision / interception. Duplication is an integral part of military electronics.

Quote: Evgeny_Lev

EMR is able to bring down the process, so that the warhead could reach the goal. There you don’t need to completely extinguish everything, stupidly hindrance, and the warhead is already out of the reach of the KAZ trajectory

Well, try it. Take a grant in KB and create a prototype. Just don’t say later that you were not warned about the meaninglessness of the undertaking.

[K-50]

It seems to me that with intensive shelling from small arms, all these sensors and the detection station can be disabled, as well as with remote undermining of shrapnel ammunition. Then the missiles can fly up completely without obstacles.
If you teach the ATGM to make a "slide" in front of the attacked target, leaving the zone of destruction of the submunition and attacking into the upper projection, then no "windbreaker" will help, and will be "dry the oars, Sir".

[Aleks tv]

Quote: K-50

It seems to me that with intensive shelling of small arms all these sensors and a detection station can be disabled, as well as with remote undermining of shrapnel ammunition.

The namesake, with small arms caliber 5,45 and 7,62 - a controversial statement.
But here 12,7mm, 14,5mm, 23mm and 30mm - they can screw up a good deal.
Have experience 2A42 (30mm) in the tank:
A good line blows almost ALL the attachments to the trash to the armor ...
This is true...
There is only one question:
- Who will allow such? Only with tactical tank errors.

Quote: K-50

If you teach the ATGM to make a "slide" in front of the attacked target, leaving the zone of destruction of the submunition and attacking into the upper projection, then no "windbreaker" will help,

For example, the UR of our tanks is just doing a "slide" in flight, otherwise target designation with a quantum beam worsens.
And the angle of projection for different KAZ is different.

[MACCABI TLV]

Quote: Aleks tv

There is only one question:
- Who will allow such? Only with tactical tank errors.

+1

[Korvin1000]

ShturmKGB

In another article I read that the missile that was shot down was the Kornet ...

The Kornet missile is a Russian ATGM. In the last war in Palestine, one crew knocked out 15 or 17 Merkava tanks. All the same, the Jews must be given their due - they know a lot and can

[Pimply]

Quote: Korvin1000

The Kornet missile is a Russian ATGM. In the last war in Palestine, one crew knocked out 15 or 17 Merkava tanks.

yyy. Can be more

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Pimply

yyy. Can be more

Yeah, I would like? :-))

[goose]

Quote: Muadipus

I understand that there is no interception of a rocket. The idea is to create a blast wave in the path of the rocket, as a result of which it undermines. In. as. Moreover, as I understand it, against anti-caliber shells, this thing will not help.

One shock wave is not enough, there still a metal object should fly out under the influence of gas pressure, usually a plate, which should destroy the flying ammunition. The range of the shock wave and its propagation velocity are comparable to the focal length of the cumulative ammunition, which is not good at all. Options with a shock core were also worked out, but they needed a very accurate ELS.

Personally, I doubt the sufficient effectiveness of any modern KAZ, passive protection is still cooler.

[Nyrobsky]

It’s even scary to imagine what kind of armament and protection will be in 100 years, if only a hundred years ago steam-powered vehicles were moving. This would be smart, but all in a peaceful direction .....

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Nyrobsky

It’s even scary to imagine what kind of armament and protection will be in 100 years, if only a hundred years ago steam-powered vehicles were moving. This would be smart, but all in a peaceful direction .....

The military-industrial complex is one of the main engines of progress; more than half of today's civilian technologies have military roots. (Internet, mobile communications, jet aircraft, space flights, trauma surgery ... the list goes on and on)

[DanG73]

Quote: Nyrobsky

It’s even scary to imagine what kind of armament and protection will be in 100 years, if only a hundred years ago steam-powered vehicles were moving. This would be smart, but all in a peaceful direction .....

The paradox is that it is wars that are often the engine of progress and the search for innovative solutions.

[kelevra]

See a video of the operation of this installation in action.

[And Us Rat]

Videos are upstream.

[TOR2]

Quote: bmv04636

And let the Cornet developers think how to break through the windbreaker. Although the technology is the first high-explosive rocket with shrapnel made of tungsten balls that is blown up to a distance of about 30-50 meters from the KAZ missile defense, the second cumulative one that pierces the tank

Just the first thing that came to mind. Balls and will create a DDoS attack on computing power The system will try to calculate the flight trajectory of each of them and eventually "choke". So people do not need to swear, the competition of armor and a projectile is unlikely to stop anything.

[bmv04636]

Well, the balls are needed to disable the radar and external sensors so that the system goes blind

[Shkolnik]

That's what it means to value the lives of soldiers!

[Korvin1000]

Quote: Pimply

Quote: Korvin1000

The Kornet missile is a Russian ATGM. In the last war in Palestine, one crew knocked out 15 or 17 Merkava tanks.

yyy. Can be more

War of 2010. This was the broadcast on the "Military Secret" program. Search the internet
http://pro-tank.ru/blog/1001-israel-explores-new-defense-against-atgm-kornet