Israel is concerned about the effectiveness of the Iron Dome

In the area of ​​the Israeli settlement of El Rom (part of the territory of the Golan Heights, under Israeli control) on the eve of a rocket exploded from a Syrian territory. Reports about it ITAR-TASS with reference to the representative of the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Israel.

This is not the first break of the rocket, which was launched from the territory of Syria, on the Golan Heights. In addition to the "Syrian" missiles, missile strikes were also delivered to the north of Israel from the territory of Lebanon. The total number of missiles that exploded in Israel over the past week (since the start of the operation against the military wing of Hamas in the Gaza Strip) amounts to hundreds - the majority is released from Gaza. Part of the rockets are torn in Israeli settlements, leading to tragic consequences.

In this regard, the Israeli Defense Ministry began to pay close attention to the effectiveness of the “Iron Dome” anti-missile defense system, which was developed with the participation of the United States.

Meanwhile, the United States has already said that the “Iron Dome” system proves its effectiveness. Such words were spoken by White House spokesman Josh Ernest. He is quoted RIA News:

The Iron Dome system, which Israel developed with the assistance of the United States, has proven its effectiveness.

The “Iron Dome” is a missile defense system that is used to hit unguided missiles at a distance of up to 70 km. The “Iron Dome” was developed with the help of the Israeli company “Rafael” and modernized with the assistance of American specialists. In 2012, the efficiency of the system was estimated at 80-85%. In 2014, performance has fallen.

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[Mama_Cholli]

Not an iron dome, but a copper basin ...

[Cormorants]

Where is "Professor", who tore his hair, shouted "- our air defense is the most reliable"!

[Момент]

Again, the Americans slipped a cat in a poke. Maybe now Europe, and other countries will think whether to put a missile defense or live in peace.

[Pimply]

Quote: Moment

Again, the Americans slipped a cat in a poke. Maybe now Europe, and other countries will think whether to put a missile defense or live in peace.

Do not read this nonsense. The Americans only paid for part of the development, and in Israel LCDs sing praises - the system exceeded all expectations

[Uncle]

Quote: Pimply

Do not read this nonsense.

Oh, Zhenya, you are here! And I thought you left the regiment.

Quote: Cormorants

Where is the "Professor"

Today, Puryrchaty for him.

[Pimply]

Quote: Uncle

Oh, Zhenya, you are here! And I thought you left the regiment.

Yes, where am I going, Dim.

[Shvonder]

Quote: Pimply

and in Israel LCDs sing praises - the system exceeded all expectations

The winner of the Israeli Security Prize, Dr. Mordechai (Moti) Schaefer, believes that the IDF’s press service reports on the Iron Dome interception of missiles are untrue. “All this is an Israeli bluff!” He said. Schaefer, who works as a defense design engineer, claims that during the days of Operation Unbreakable Rock, his skepticism about the Iron Dome increased even more. In his opinion, the imperfect rockets launched by terrorists from Gaza explode in the air by themselves, and only ordinary people can consider this to be the result of the successful actions of the Israeli missile defense system.

[Pimply]

Quote: Shvonder

The winner of the Israeli Security Prize, Dr. Mordechai (Moti) Schaefer, believes that the IDF’s press service reports on the Iron Dome interception of missiles are untrue. “All this is an Israeli bluff!” He said. Schaefer, who works as a defense design engineer, claims that during the days of Operation Unbreakable Rock, his skepticism about the Iron Dome increased even more. In his opinion, the imperfect rockets launched by terrorists from Gaza explode in the air by themselves, and only ordinary people can consider this to be the result of the successful actions of the Israeli missile defense system.

Already talked about him. Doc was offended that his developments were ignored, but preferred by competitors. Since then, constantly LCD

[Ascetic]

Quote: Pimply

Do not read this nonsense. The Americans only paid for part of the development,

initially there were 4 batteries, 2 of them at the expense of the United States. Then Congress allocated another grant for $ 680M (that is, more than half the cost of the entire current system.
Pliz check out Jerusalem Post newspaper
US approves $ 205m. for iron dome
And more 10 Iron Domes for IDF
of eight batteries for American money built six. Isn't that a good part? About the development of a separate conversation. Here I agree, the Yankees just do not pay money. Tranche 680mln. Dolary (4 batteries) were allocated with the expectation of receiving a number of LCD technologies from Israel. They also talked about joint production ... This is so to speak the background ...
Now in service with as far as I remember 10 batteries? (Correct if not right) So consider what the share of American participation is ... This year, an agreement was signed on the allocation of an additional 429 million dollars to finance the Iron Dome program.
link

By the way, your ambassador to the USA speaks so bluntly

We asked for additional funding for the Iron Dome even before the current crisis. It is important to understand that it is a joint US-Israeli project. This is Israeli technology funded by the United States.

link

[Pimply]

Quote: Ascetic

Now in service as far as I remember 10 batteries?

9. Nobody argues about the financial participation of the United States. For this they get the opportunity to influence the supply and development information. Breakfast is not free. The article also speaks of the fact that almost the entire system was developed in the United States, and crammed under great resistance to Israel.
Thanks to the US Congress for funding the batteries, by the way. True, we will not remember who actively lobbied Hamas as a legitimate political force, and what it led to ...

[bif]

Quote: Pimply

The Americans only paid for part of the development

Well, that's right - that's how the article says

modernized with the involvement of American specialists. In 2012, system performance was estimated at 80-85%. In 2014, performance indicators fell.

As soon as the states stopped pumping money into the defense budget of the "always at war country" so immediately "the performance indicators fell."

[Pimply]

Quote: bif

As soon as the states stopped pumping money into the defense budget of the "always at war country" so immediately "the performance indicators fell."

Can you give an example of a drop in efficiency?

[mirag2]

A certain doctor Moti Shaffer, a specialist in the field of aerospace technology, says that the invulnerability, "all-pervasiveness" of the Iron Dome is nothing but a profanation.
http://www.thepost.co.il/news/new.aspx?pn6Vq=E&0r9VQ=IELI

[Pimply]

Quote: mirag2

mirag2 (2) Today, 10: 46 ↑ New
A certain doctor Moti Shaffer, a specialist in the field of aerospace technology, says that the invulnerability, "all-pervasiveness" of the Iron Dome is nothing but a profanation.

Moti Schaeffer's developments on the same topic were rejected in favor of the LCD, after which the doctor was very offended

[Shvonder]

Quote: Pimply

Moti Schaeffer's developments on the same topic were rejected in favor of the LCD, after which the doctor was very offended

Schaeffer is a famous design engineer, and what kind of education do you have? ... No, that you and Herr Professor are well-known actors of "large and small theaters" - we know, but what about your education, huh? Yeshiva in Konotop and college in Bnei Brak .. Serious education. You seem to know that the rocket does not fly through the air, but by the will of the Lord ... That's the whole alignment))))

[Pimply]

Quote: Shvonder

Puffy! Schaeffer is a well-known design engineer, and what is your education?

Moreover, he is a laureate of the Israeli State Prize in the field of security for the development of the third Python. AND? Does it become an infallible machine? He is a man, with his cockroaches, a man offended - because they chose the LCD, and not its development. He can carry nonsense as much as he wants - facts remain facts. Starts are detected not only by radars, but also by cameras, people, etc., and the destruction of missiles by anti-ballistic missiles has been repeatedly recorded on video.

Quote: Shvonder

-we know, but with your education what, huh? Yeshiva in Konotop and college in Bnei Brak .. Serious education. You seem to know that the rocket does not fly through the air, but by the will of the Lord ... That's the whole layout))))

Oh how cute. Touche, I was killed 8) Sofa theoretician hit me in the middle and jumps, clapping 8 in hands) What a charm.

[Shvonder]

Quote: Pimply

Oh how cute. Touche, I was killed 8) Sofa theoretician hit me in the middle and jumps, clapping 8 in hands) What a charm.

No, well, are you talking about, huh? It’s easier, easier, according to legend, you work in a company, study to be a manager .., you don’t understand military equipment, and dream of buying a telescope ... But you’re carrying a blizzard here, like after a military school .... what are you doing ?. They’ll cut through right away ... these FSBs will cut through right away! ...)))

[Pimply]

Quote: Shvonder

No, well, are you talking about, huh? It’s easier, easier, according to legend, you work in a company, study to be a manager .., you don’t understand military equipment, and dream of buying a telescope ... But you’re carrying a blizzard here, like after a military school .... what are you doing ?. They’ll cut through right away ... these FSBs will cut through right away! ...)))

Oh oh And again the carcass. Now I’m a spy, minya calculate accent, right?

[Shvonder]

Quote: Pimply

Oh oh And again the carcass. Now I’m a spy, minya calculate accent, right?

okay pimpled, though I'm not a Jew, but I also want white pants in Rio, but what's wrong with you? ... some St. Petersburg perverts ... there will come "karish", we will "patalef" with him ..))

[atalef]

Quote: Shvonder

Quote: Pimply

Oh oh And again the carcass. Now I’m a spy, minya calculate accent, right?

okay pimpled, though I'm not a Jew, but I also want white pants in Rio, but what's wrong with you? ... some St. Petersburg perverts ... there will come "karish", we will "patalef" with him ..))

Which Rio? You’re not a Bender anymore - you’re Schwonder - therefore - to the prozektor - to sing songs

[atalef]

Quote: Cormorants

Where is "Professor", who tore his hair, shouted "- our air defense is the most reliable"!

In 2012, the effectiveness of the system was estimated at 80-85%. In 2014, performance indicators fell.

lies

The Iron Dome missile defense system has completed over 90% of the interceptions since the start of Operation Unbreakable Rock, a senior army official said. The Iron Dome missile defense system has completed more than 90% of the interceptions since the start of Operation Unbreakable Rock, a senior army official said.

[gandalf]

I consider 75% good performance in combat ...

Do you believe in 90%?

Quote: Bismarck

They never lie so much as during the war, elections and after the hunt.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: gandalf

I consider 75% good performance in combat ...
Do you believe in 90%?

In 7 days, the palaces fired 700+ missiles, approximately 350 of them were designated potentially intercepting, the system waved less than 20 times, including one defective interceptor missile. Do you need a calculator?

[atalef]

Quote: Cormorants

Where is "Professor", who tore his hair, shouted "- our air defense is the most reliable"!

In 2012, the effectiveness of the system was estimated at 80-85%. In 2014, performance indicators fell.

lies

The Iron Dome missile defense system has completed over 90% of the interceptions since the start of Operation Unbreakable Rock, a senior army official said. The Iron Dome missile defense system has completed more than 90% of the interceptions since the start of Operation Unbreakable Rock, a senior army official said.

[Mama_Cholli]

atalef, why 2 times ... We understand that everything is still not lost ... There is something to improve.

[mamont5]

Quote: Cormorants

Where is "Professor", who tore his hair, shouted "- our air defense is the most reliable"!

Yes, no 100-percent reliable systems yet.

[voyaka uh]

There is no Iron Dome in the Golan now.
All batteries in the south and center.

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: voyaka uh

There is no Iron Dome in the Golan now.
All batteries in the south and center.

Thanks for the info ...

[slavik_gross]

excuses went ...

[Pimply]

Quote: slavik_gross

excuses went ..

Excuses - is it a crookedly written illiterate article on the site of the largest Russian news agency with completely clear implication?

[igor67]

Quote: voyaka uh

There is no Iron Dome in the Golan now.
All batteries in the south and center.

And we don’t have one in the north either, apparently from Eilat they also took away, at night two missiles in the city are many wounded,

[Deer Balak]

Quote: igor67

Quote: voyaka uh

There is no Iron Dome in the Golan now.
All batteries in the south and center.

And we don’t have one in the north either, apparently from Eilat they also took away, at night two missiles in the city are many wounded,

Igor, well, why write everything in open mode. Do not make life easier for anyone who does not need.

[Deer Balak]

Quote: voyaka uh

There is no Iron Dome in the Golan now.
All batteries in the south and center.

Guys all the same, give the information dosed. Why not write what is located here.

[igor67]

Quote: Deer Balak

Quote: voyaka uh

There is no Iron Dome in the Golan now.
All batteries in the south and center.

Guys all the same, give the information dosed. Why not write what is located here.

My friend, what’s changing, at the moment there are thousands of tourists from Russia in the same Eilat, in the Golan Heights, buses with tourists go to the volcano every day where there is an observation deck and everyone sees it for themselves,

[Pimply]

Quote: Cormorants

Where is "Professor", who tore his hair, shouted "- our air defense is the most reliable"!

She is the most reliable. The shelling is carried out mainly from Gaza, the northern border is relatively quiet. Given the small number of systems, what do you think, where are they needed now and where are they located?

[kavad]

The missile aimed at him, failed to intercept ...

[mihasik]

Quote: Cormorants

Where is "Professor", who tore his hair, shouted "- our air defense is the most reliable"!

With a tennis racket "KHASAMI" kicks off, he has no time.

[bulvas]

Quote: Cormorants

Where is "Professor", who tore his hair, shouted "- our air defense is the most reliable"!

He himself was in Tel Aviv, saw how rockets flew over the city and all were shot down
Was from 8 to 12 July, every day an alarm was announced, rockets flew and were shot down by the Iron Dome anti-missiles

For the entire time of the attacks, 1 - 2 people were injured (throughout the country), while about a thousand rockets were fired

So, in my opinion, the efficiency of the LCD is high

And the concern (as written in the title) is correct, there should be 100% even 120%

In addition, there should be a low cost. Perhaps this can be achieved using laser weapons.

By the way, one of the goals when launching missiles towards Israel is to provoke the defeat of civilian aircraft by anti-missile missiles

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: bulvas

Quote: Cormorants

Where is "Professor", who tore his hair, shouted "- our air defense is the most reliable"!

He himself was in Tel Aviv, saw how rockets flew over the city and all were shot down
Was from 8 to 12 July, every day an alarm was announced, rockets flew and were shot down by the Iron Dome anti-missiles

For the entire time of the attacks, 1 - 2 people were injured (throughout the country), while about a thousand rockets were fired

So, in my opinion, the efficiency of the LCD is high

And the concern (as written in the title) is correct, there should be 100% even 120%

In addition, there should be a low cost. Perhaps this can be achieved using laser weapons.

By the way, one of the goals when launching missiles towards Israel is to provoke the defeat of civilian aircraft by anti-missile missiles

Have you seen yourself that 1000 missiles were fired in Israel? Yes, you’re a dreamer, my friend ... If there were 1000 rockets / pipes filled with tol, there would be a sea of ​​corpses and, in addition, an open military operation of the Israeli army to the borders of the states from which these blanks flew.

[Pimply]

Official statistics of shelling:

July: 387 shelling, 1.134 rockets - 31 wounded. 210 missiles were shot down by the Iron Dome missile defense system (as of July 15).

June: 30 attacks, 66 missiles - 3 wounded. 9 missiles were shot down by the Iron Dome missile defense system.

[bulvas]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Yes you’re a dreamer, my friend ...

Such data were also cited by the Russian media.
Do you propose not to believe official statistics?

What then to believe?

Quote: Mama_Cholli

If 1000 rockets / tubes stuffed with tol were fired around Israel, there would be a sea of ​​corpses and, in addition, an open military operation by the Israeli army to the borders of the states from which these blanks flew.

Is that your "if"?

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: bulvas

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Yes you’re a dreamer, my friend ...

Such data were also cited by the Russian media.
Do you propose not to believe official statistics?

What then to believe?

Quote: Mama_Cholli

If 1000 rockets / tubes stuffed with tol were fired around Israel, there would be a sea of ​​corpses and, in addition, an open military operation by the Israeli army to the borders of the states from which these blanks flew.

Is that your "if"?

Didn't you write that you witnessed this? Now say that this is according to the Russian media? If I personally read from your post that you have witnessed this greatest action. Regarding the information, I only suggested that Israel would not have endured 1000 times. If I am mistaken, then I apologize for my misconceptions on this issue. Let him endure further.
The official, I emphasize the official statistics can not be discussed here. Adults, however, must understand that both sides are cunning about launches.

[bulvas]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Didn't you write that you witnessed this? Now say that this is according to the Russian media?

I saw no more than 8 - 10 missiles and their intercepts with the Iron Dome over Tel Aviv.

One interception even photographed. Located in the Tel Aviv Center. From the picture you can judge at what height the rocket is intercepted
(clickable)



In the news of Russian television and on the Internet, I read about the total number of rockets fired in Israel.

[Pimply]

"Kino" in Sderot, Israel's closest major city to Gaza. However, you seem to believe only your delusions

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Cormorants

Where is "Professor", who tore his hair, shouted "- our air defense is the most reliable"!

This article is a frank provocation. Here is an excerpt from today's newspapers:

Hamas touts Iron Dome
This is how one can determine what happened on the evening of July 12 during the armed conflict between terrorists from the Gaza Strip and Israel.
As you know, at 20 o’clock the terrorists published in Arabic and Hebrew the message that at 21 o’clock they were attacking Tel Aviv with new advanced missiles that could “trick” the Iron Dome missile defense system.
In a special statement, the military wing of the Islamic Resistance Movement explained that the missiles are equipped with devices that make shells invisible to Israel’s missile defense system, the Iron Dome.
And at about 21.15:XNUMX p.m. on the air, everyone could see how the Iron Dome cracked down on those missiles that were sent towards Tel Aviv.
Everything happened as in a regular commercial that advertised an anti-ballistic missile system.
It should be noted that before that, terrorists with varying degrees of success tried to fire at Tel Aviv. But so that: - look at how our advanced missiles will be shot down, - this has not happened before. I wonder who suggested this advertising idea to them.
Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri also joined the ad, saying that firing Tel Aviv with new missiles and after a preliminary threat “completely dispelled the fear of the enemy.”
That is, if the residents of Tel Aviv had some kind of “fear of the enemy”, then it was finally dispelled after the Hamas advertising campaign on the evening of June 12.

[Magic archer]

I would not be so critical of evaluating Iron House! The system as a whole is not bad, but there is always BUT! The Israelis achieved 95% efficiency! But again, the Kassams are made almost on the knee, and the air defense systems operate in ideal conditions for themselves (without counteracting electronic warfare ). And the price of the system confuses. If it weren’t for its price, then not only Israeli troops would have bought it for a long time.

[scientist]

It is a pity, of course, for the population of Israel, because huge amounts of money have been invested, and the effectiveness of the American modernization of the "iron bath" was several times lower than expected. But there is good news in that too. After all, the algorithms and principles of guidance of the American version of the Iron Bath are probably the same as in the American missile defense system. For specialists of the Strategic Missile Forces of the RF Armed Forces, these statistics and experience are invaluable.
I think Russia should offer assistance to Israel in protecting cities from missile attacks with the help of air defense systems Shell, Tunguska, S-350, 400.. It would be a great advertisement for Russian weapons and a good kick for the United States with its ambitions for missile defense in Europe.

[Pimply]

Quote: scientist

It is a pity, of course, for the population of Israel, because huge amounts of money have been invested, and the effectiveness of the American modernization of the "iron bath" turned out to be several times lower than expected.

Tell me, what kind of American modernization of the LCD was carried out? Do not know?

[scientist]

There was info about the new missile guidance heads. They installed the semi-active infrared guidance systems traditional for the Patriot PAC-3 in the final section of the trajectory.

[Pimply]

Quote: scientist

There was info about the new missile guidance heads.

Proof, plz?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: scientist

There was info about the new missile guidance heads. They installed the semi-active infrared guidance systems traditional for the Patriot PAC-3 in the final section of the trajectory.

"Infa" this - the apotheosis of amateurism and loudly quacks. "Patriot" and "Kupol" are systems of absolutely different classes and "weight categories", the first is long-range air defense, and the second is anti-ballistic missile defense.
GOS missile "Patriot" corny will not fit into the missile "Tamir" (allowing such an aimless attempt)
In addition, why do we need amersky filling, if our own is better in a number of parameters? (It is no coincidence that the Americans finance development according to the formula "money in exchange for technology").
And by the way "Magic Wand" is being developed just to get rid of the "Patriots" (which irrevocably screwed up in the eyes of the Israelis in 1991).

[Shvonder]

Quote: Pimply

Do not know?

Yes in the know, in the know. Pimpy! You are too many, you see, the audience is not happy, take a vacation, relax, make yourself and the forum users enjoyable)))).

[Pimply]

Quote: Shvonder

Yes in the know, in the know. Pimpy! You are too many, you see, the audience is not happy, take a vacation, relax, make yourself and the forum users enjoyable)))).

I, in general, do not bother. Am I annoying you? Drink some water

[voyaka uh]

Iron Dome knocked down enough and factory missiles
Iranian production: 122 mm Grad missiles with
extended range. Quality rockets
knock down even easier, because their ballistic trajectory
easier to calculate the computer.

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: voyaka uh

Iron Dome knocked down enough and factory missiles
Iranian production: 122 mm Grad missiles with
extended range. Quality rockets
knock down even easier, because their ballistic trajectory
easier to calculate the computer.

The more I read, the more I am surprised ... Have you thought of it yourself or who suggested it?

[Pimply]

Quote: Magic Archer

But again, the Kassams were made almost on their knees, and the air defense systems operate in ideal conditions for themselves (without counteracting electronic warfare equipment). And the price of the system is embarrassing. If it weren’t for its price, it would have been bought not only by Israeli troops.

Firstly, not only Kassams, but more serious Iranian and Chinese missiles, ranging from BM-21 analogues to Fajr-5, have long been flying there for a long time. Their value already begins with many hundreds, if not thousands of dollars. Tamir missile defense price is now around 5000. The cost of an LCD battery is around 60 million. This is normal

[Magic archer]

thanks for the information. Question, where did the firewood come from?! That is, money for the purchase of such not-so-cheap missiles ?!

[Pimply]

Quote: Magic Archer

thanks for the information. Question, where did the firewood come from?! That is, money for the purchase of such not-so-cheap missiles ?!

Hamas or Israel?
Hamas has Iran, Qatar, CA, other sponsors, plus a bunch of taxes in the Gaza Strip, including taxes from the smuggling tunnels and free shipments from Sudan and Iran.
Israel has partly American military assistance (a special tranche was given under the LC), partly own funds, Israel has a successful developed economy. Yes, American assistance often comes at a price.

[Natalia]

The Iron Dome was developed with the help of the Israeli company Rafael and modernized with the involvement of American specialists.

And because it is not necessary to lead friendship with the Americans.
We must be friends with Russia )))
Let them ask Putin, mmmm ......... about cooperation. We have things more powerful (more efficient) than the Israeli dome)

[Magic archer]

Do not compare, Dear) All the same, C-400 is designed for other purposes. Starting from drones and ending with satellites. But I agree about cooperation. There is something to learn from the Jews. For example, Israel makes the best drones in the world. We should how come in handy

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: Magic Archer

Do not compare, Dear) All the same, C-400 is designed for other purposes. Starting from drones and ending with satellites. But I agree about cooperation. There is something to learn from the Jews. For example, Israel makes the best drones in the world. We should how come in handy

This is actually not an indicator ... We, too, know how to make good weapons, there are simply leaders (in the army and the country) who incorrectly set goals and priorities, from which we then have to catch up. But in a word, there is no thing that the Russians could not / are unable to do. The question is the feasibility of costs.

[Magic archer]

We are talking about the ratio of costs to Israel. Israel was the first to use drones in large quantities. And it brought the manufacturing and application technology to perfection. And in this matter we lagged behind for so many years. Therefore, I wrote above that the Israeli experience would be very useful in this matter

[Gorbtk]

Well, why sprinkle ashes on your head? We launched and landed the largest drone "Buran" into space. So, what about the global lag is written with a pitchfork on the water ... Technologically, the work differs by orders of magnitude. Of course, "Buran" is a more complex product. but as they say you can't drink talent ...

[Pimply]

Quote: Gorbtk

Well, why sprinkle ashes on your head? We launched and landed the largest drone "Buran" into space.

Are you aware that similar systems were also on the shuttles, just there was no need for them? And you understand that modern UAV technology and Buran automatic flight technology are somewhat different things?

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: Pimply

Quote: Gorbtk

Well, why sprinkle ashes on your head? We launched and landed the largest drone "Buran" into space.

Are you aware that similar systems were also on the shuttles, just there was no need for them? And you understand that modern UAV technology and Buran automatic flight technology are somewhat different things?

In fact (at least at the time of the launch of the Buran), the states could not make such a landing in a fully autonomous mode. (without staff) So what they had there, let them tell themselves.

[Pimply]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

In fact (at least at the time of the launch of the Buran), the states could not make such a landing in a fully autonomous mode. (without staff) So what they had there, let them tell themselves.

Sure?

[Mama_Cholli]

Let's play the national Jewish game - I will ask a counter question: Can you prove the opposite?

[Pimply]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Let's play the national Jewish game - I’ll ask a counter question: Can you prove the opposite?

The player who gave the first serve begins. You brought a certain thesis, right, in contrast to my statement. Ready to defend him?

[Mama_Cholli]

Easy ... Please tell me why, after the Challenger accident, which closed the space shuttles for a long time, did the Americans begin to continue flights with the crew?

[bubla5]

100% land control

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: Magic Archer

We are talking about the ratio of costs to Israel. Israel was the first to use drones in large quantities. And it brought the manufacturing and application technology to perfection. And in this matter we lagged behind for so many years. Therefore, I wrote above that the Israeli experience would be very useful in this matter

I understood your idea. He wrote the essence of the issue in the appropriateness of costs.
Well, for example: Unlike Israel, the territory of Russia is not subjected to massive ground-to-ground missile attacks. Apparently, the country's leadership believes that there is no need for just such protection. The issue of an attack on Russia can be resolved by other, more "humane" methods from an economic point of view. For example, the total destruction of all living things on the territory of another state adjacent to the border, from where a missile strike would be delivered.

[ultra]

Quote: Magic Archer

.For example, the same drones Israel makes the best in the world

Clarify, with the exception of the United States.

[Magic archer]

the fact of the matter is that the USA used all the accumulated experience of Israel to create the same Global Hawks and the like! And this is not a secret.

[bubla5]

Because on any mailbox, and even now, the design bureau is headed by a Jew, and where is the guarantee that he does not share with his homeland

[Deer Balak]

Quote: bubla5

Because on any mailbox, and even now, the design bureau is headed by a Jew, and where is the guarantee that he does not share with his homeland

One way out, the deportation of Jews to Israel. Cards in your hands, contact the Duma.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Natalia

more powerful (more efficient) than the Israeli dome)

In fact, there are no goals for our (S-400) systems. But the shell can be run there.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Natalia

more powerful (more efficient) than the Israeli dome)

In fact, there are no goals for our (S-400) systems. But the shell can be run there.

So we have already "tested" it ... over Syria.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Natalia

. We have things more powerful (more efficient) than the Israeli dome)

Natalie, if you shoot at those missiles that fly from Gaza in such a complex, you can fly into the tube. It is too expensive and the reaction time is not enough. THOR still did not go, but C 400 will not go.

[Natalia]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Natalie, if you shoot at those missiles that fly from Gaza in such a complex, you can fly into the tube. It is too expensive and the reaction time is not enough. THOR still did not go, but C 400 will not go.

Quote: Ingvar 72

In fact, there are no goals for our (S-400) systems. But the shell can be run there.

So I’m talking about that, comrades, if Israel were friends with Russia, we would have fucked up such a complex, it would be a masterpiece.

After all, Israel is narrow-profile ...... with respect to its own airplanes, its own helicopters, its own air defense missiles, its current tanks (small arms do not count).

Our weapon, it’s more reliable, right? Comrades? Well, it would be better if, say, there were Russian-Israeli-made air defense systems. ))))

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Natalia

Israel, after all, is narrow-profile ...... in relation to its own planes,

Quote: Natalia

there are no helicopters ...

Quote: Natalia

There are no SAMs ...

[Natalia]

Well, maybe here’s Heck, this is where it didn’t go ....
Do not even show aircraft, you do not have them.
Well, what is it .... copied with a mirage and F-16, there is no thought.
And in the first picture is this a fighter? generation 3 ++ probably?

A helicopter is a rotary-wing aircraft in which the lifting and propulsive (driving) forces at all stages of flight are created by one or more rotors with drive from one or several engines. That is, what I mean, here's the Apache AH-64D is a helicopter ........ and you have in your picture the arba cadabra (do not be discouraged) trying to blind a futuristic wunder-waffle, but it turned out cadabra.
As I said no helicopters, planes, do not worry, but you have a complete drain ..... You better order the F-35 from the USA, they seem to agree to deliver the party to you. In order not to reinvent the wheel. Well, there are areas where you do not steer, and so, in aircraft construction you have a drain ..... moreover, complete.
With all due respect )

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Natalia

Well, maybe here’s Heck, this is where it didn’t go ....
Do not even show aircraft, you do not have them.
Well, what is it .... copied with a mirage and F-16, there is no thought.
And in the first picture is this a fighter? generation 3 ++ probably?
there are areas where you do not steer, and so, in aircraft construction you have a drain ..... moreover, complete.

You do not see the root, we have a full range of research, engineering and production facilities for the production of all of the above. The ONLY obstacle is economic feasibility. This means that in the case of the next arms embargo - put up the production of their aircraft, helicopters, etc. fundamental problem will not be in principle.
Remind you to whom they prefer to turn for the modernization of Soviet technology?

Avionics and electronics, radars, engines (evolution
the licensed engine from the Phantom) has its own stealth technologies (we produce wings for the F-35).
The only question is financing ... but recently gas was found in export volumes ....

And about "sketched" - the appearance can be deceiving, "Kfir" turned out better and faster than the original (it is 3+ precisely because it was created in the 60s). And the Lavi was drowned by the Americans, frightened of competition, since it turned out to be much better and cheaper than the F-16.
So far, you are buying military technology from us, and not you from us.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

TOP still not gone

Hi Sanya. You’ll even go broke with Thor. The price of rockets is incomparable.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ingvar 72

You’ll even go broke with Thor.

Hi Inor! Well, there’s nothing more compact

[Neksel]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, there’s nothing more compact

There is a dome

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: Neksel

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, there’s nothing more compact

There is a dome

There are 500 million Arabs around 50 million of your relatives. Pray better to your god that there is so far a state like states

[atalef]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Quote: Neksel

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, there’s nothing more compact

There is a dome

There are 500 million Arabs around 50 million of your relatives. Pray better to your god that there is so far a state like states

we are already 50 million
5 million, why did he attribute the toe?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

There are 500 million Arabs around 50 million of your relatives. Pray better to your god that there is so far a state like states

Until 1969, from the states we had only arms embargoes and economic sanctions, and you know - it was easier, there was no need to look back at someone to wind our tail with this 500 million. Arabs. They were afraid of us to the point of sphincter spasm, and the fact that they raised their heads today is the fault of the states' policies.

Until the 70s, there were no such problems with the "Palestinians", they were banally afraid to throw stones at Israeli cars, because a grenade or a bullet could immediately fly in in response. But in the 70s, under the pressure of the "civilized and progressive" world under the auspices of the United States, they seized the weapon from the population - the result is obvious, they throw not only stones but also Molotov cocktails.
And the fucking "world community" is still trying to impose on us "civilized behavior" in a barbaric and cannibalistic environment.
So believe me, we can protect ourselves much better than they allow us today.

Think for a moment, what kind of animals do you need to be, to throw Molotov cocktails with a woman driving a woman and a one-year-old child in the passenger seat, for example, or to fire at a school bus with first-graders from RPGs?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, there’s nothing more compact

What about the shell? Just his theme.

[Pimply]

Quote: Ingvar 72

What about the shell? Just his theme.

The carapace is designed to protect small objects. The dome is designed to protect the city, say. There are slight differences, Igor, not?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Pimply

There are slight differences, Igor, not?

Arrange the shells around the perimeter and combine them into a single system, and there will be few differences, and not the fact that the dome is in favor.

[Pimply]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Arrange the shells around the perimeter and combine them into a single system, and there will be few differences, and not the fact that the dome is in favor.

Of course, of course 8) And now you can figure out how many such systems will be required in the city?

[adept666]

To cover well from one missile-dangerous direction - 6-12 cars + 1-2 stations 1RL-123Е (for more timely detection and selection of targets) depending on the terrain.

[Pimply]

Quote: adept666

To cover well from one missile-dangerous direction - 6-12 cars + 1-2 stations 1RL-123Е (for more timely detection and selection of targets) depending on the terrain.

Well, now consider it.

[adept666]

I don’t know the exact cost for the RF Ministry of Defense, let's take the average export (for version C1) - 13 million * (6) 12 = (78) 156 + (1) 2 external radars are also in the area (12) 24. Total: (90) 180. The cost of one battery of the iron dome: 50-170 million (from various sources). The price of a shot for the C1 Shell will be lower. The shell also has greater mobility. The Iron Dome has a longer target range. In short, both variants have "+" and "-", but it makes no sense to discuss this topic, the tasks of the complexes are different. For the task that the LCD performs, it is more optimized and its efficiency is very good.

[Pimply]

Quote: adept666

The cost of one battery of the iron dome: 50-170 million (from various sources).

From 60 to 80 in practice. Next, we consider how many people will need service. Are you sure that the shot will be cheaper? He is at the dome now in the 5 kilobax area.

[Neksel]

Quote: Natalia

The Iron Dome was developed with the help of the Israeli company Rafael and modernized with the involvement of American specialists.

And because it is not necessary to lead friendship with the Americans.
We must be friends with Russia )))
Let them ask Putin, mmmm ......... about cooperation. We have things more powerful (more efficient) than the Israeli dome)

What is the connection to power? So we also have a "hez". And how many people have a system like an iron dome?

[shuhartred]

Quote: Neksel

. And many who have a system like an iron dome?

Are there many who have a problem similar to yours? You know, Russian cities are not yet massively bombarded with self-made NURS. Therefore, there is no equipment sharpened for this task, the one that is quite enough. Another thing is that under current conditions it would make sense to purchase a pair of "Domes" and put them on the border with the "Ruina". Just in case, well, take a closer look at the technique, you never know if it is suddenly needed. Sell? By the way, does it shoot down shells and mines?

[Neksel]

Quote: shuhartred

Quote: Neksel

. And many who have a system like an iron dome?

And many who have a problem like yours? You know, Russian cities have not yet been bombarded massively with home-made NURSs. Therefore, the equipment sharpened for this task is absent, the one that is quite enough. Another thing is that in the current conditions it would make sense to purchase a pair of domes & domes; and put on the border with & ruin &. Purely just in case, well, take a closer look at the technology, you never know if you need it. Sell ​​it? By the way, shells and mines knocking down?

Well, what am I talking about? it’s just that some here stated that it is Russian weapons that are preferable to solving our problems, and the dome is like that, for type decoration.
As for the sale, I am only for it, but the decisions are politics.

[shuhartred]

Quote: Neksel

Well, what am I talking about? it’s just that some here stated that it is Russian weapons that are preferable to solving our problems, and the dome is like that, for type decoration.
As for the sale, I am only for it, but the decisions are politics.

Some simply don’t understand that they don’t shoot at the sparrows from the gun (I’m not sure about the Shell, but it’s still imprisoned for something else). But to say that the joint thread would be interesting. The experience of Tskhinval 2008 demonstrates this. If there were Domes or their analogues, there would have been much fewer victims. Even at 80% efficiency. Respect to the dome for any - fulfills its task.

[Pimply]

Quote: Natalia

And because it is not necessary to lead friendship with the Americans.
We must be friends with Russia)))

Do not read the nonsense. The Americans only paid for the production of part of the systems.

The analogue of C-400 is Hets-2 and Hets-3, if that. Compare two different things

[bmv04636]

it’s not entirely true that the light elves support the instability in the Middle East with all their strength, preventing it from becoming a geopolitical force. The elves are well settled and receive oil at a non-market price and weapons are sheared off by the sheikhs. Here it is possible a little and you will spend on Israelis. You play the role of eternal irritants.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Pimply

Do not read the nonsense.

Zhenya, again rude. Well, the girl was mistaken, so why immediately - nonsense?

[Pimply]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Zhenya, again rude. Well, the girl was mistaken, so why immediately - nonsense?

Because, Igor, delirium remains delirium in any scenario

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Pimply

delirium remains delirium in any scenario

How quickly do you judge in a hurry. You always pretended to be impartial what happened to you? Bad family life experience? sorry for glum, let's sort it out.
Delirium, Zhenechka, is a severe form of mental disorder, or incoherent speech in an unconscious state. And the girl only got a little excited. Rude for a man (if he is a man )

[Pimply]

Quote: Ingvar 72

How quickly do you judge in a hurry. You always pretended to be impartial

I am impartial to delirium

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Pimply

I am impartial to delirium

Even to your own?

[Pimply]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Even to your own?

Even to him. I can recognize mistakes.

[Natalia]

Quote: Pimply

The analogue of C-400 is Hets-2 and Hets-3, if that. Compare two different things

Well, I thought that there would be at least one who remembers this one, how his ... Heck.
So, do not exaggerate comrades, because S-400 ANALOGUES DOESN'T HAVE! )

[Neksel]

Quote: Natalia

S-400 DOES NOT HAVE ANALOGUES!

Just like Natalia

[Pimply]

Quote: Natalia

So, do not exaggerate comrades, because S-400 ANALOGUES DOESN'T HAVE!

And in more detail 8)

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Natalia

for the S-400 has no ANALOGUES!

Yes! Yes! Super duper has no analogues in the world !!! Uryayayaya !!! Grazing !!!!

[shuhartred]

Quote: And Us Rat

Yes! Yes! Super duper has no analogues in the world !!! Uryayayaya !!! Grazing !!!!

Yes, calm down, calm down, we all understand your patriotism and loyal feelings, come back "tavarisch" But seriously, I myself already got it without taxes. It has no analogues anti-gravity drive or time machine. S-400 is a good weapon, I think the best in its class (lurking but quietly Schaub did not burn), but not verified by the war and he has analogues. Good evening, dear.

[Uncle]

Quote: Natalia

We must be friends with Russia

And we are friends, I eat Israeli radish.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Uncle

Quote: Natalia

We must be friends with Russia

And we are friends, I eat Israeli radish.

Phew, what a kak! I prefer mine, well, or Krasnodar. But I don’t take Israeli radish and potato from Egypt!

[Uncle]

Quote: Ingvar 72

I prefer mine, well, or Krasnodar

Yes, but there is no Krasnodar winter. And the Israeli is always there. Good radish.

[Natalia]

Quote: Uncle

And we are friends, I eat Israeli radish.

Well, maybe ........ well done, what can I say.
Then you ........ but if in Israel we ate our radish, voooot, then probably we were really friends ....

[Neksel]

Quote: Natalia

but if in Israel they ate our radish, voooooot, then probably we were really friends ....

We eat a lot of other things of your production. It is enough, for example, to look into the shops of the Tiv-Taam chain, how many delicious things are there, from your domestic manufacturer.

[STALGRAD76]

Maybe there are "Belarusian sausages"? sausage "from dad" I highly recommend

[Neksel]

Quote: STALGRAD76

Maybe there are "Belarusian sausages"? sausage "from dad" och

there are products from the Old Man. But sausages are unlikely, we have very worthy domestic ones.

[shuhartred]

Quote: Neksel

how many delicious things are there, your domestic producer.

So hto ziv is now our fat.

[Neksel]

Quote: shuhartred

Quote: Neksel

how many delicious things are there, your domestic producer.

So hto ziv is now our fat. : louging:: louging:

don't worry paid

[Dezzed]

Natasha do not tell chickens

[Natalia]

Quote: DezzeD

Natasha do not tell chickens

........ for what sins are you so life was so short )))
The first time such as you see
....... it turns out these also happen ........... acume )))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Natalia

for what sins are you so life was so short

You're talking about two skulls in pursuit

[Natalia]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

You're talking about two skulls in pursuit

aha )))))
listen ..... and what rank is obtained)))) captain Jack Sparrow )))))))))))))))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Natalia

listen ..... and at what rank is obtained)))) captain Jack Sparrow

And this is if people constantly get cons, first he has gray epaulettes, and after he receives the rank of foreman (gray epaulette), the first skull should be, well, and there you can give it a second hand
Click on his nickname and see his rating, there is an out Soon the third will be

[Natalia]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Click on his nickname and see his rating, out there Soon the third will be

-5000 total and look as if -50 )))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Natalia

-5000 total

Enough, he with such a rating is very limited in writing comments. It seems like a maximum of five pieces a day can write and basta

[Natalia]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

he with such a rating is very limited in writing comments. It seems like a maximum of five pieces a day can write and basta

.......... mmmmdaaaa, tin )

[Mama_Cholli]

Rather, Jack the leader of the chickens ... from the laughing chicken coop

[Ptah]

Quote: Natalia

for what sins are you so life was so short

He molested women ...
And also forbade to mix hens ... hummingbird eggs.
What surprises you so much? You just have to ask and as many as three turtles will draw from someone.
There were (are) and such ...

[Dezzed]

WELL GIGGLED?

Natalia you write nonsense

TO SHOOT S-400 IN THE CITY, IT IS NECESSARY TO SUFFER CRETENISM ...

SO POSSIBLE AND IN A SHOT BASEMENT FOR PREVENTION

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: DezzeD

WELL GIGGLED?

Yeah

Quote: DezzeD

SO POSSIBLE AND IN A SHOT BASEMENT FOR PREVENTION

Natasha, slap him a minus

[Natalia]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Natasha, slap him a minus

Come on..... I will not ....
Well, look, he already has -5000, he’s already good ....
..... and then he is right, the S-400 does not channel on shells, my jamb.

Well, Mlyn S-1 Shell, as some write here, it finally ..... I saw how he couldn’t get into the plastic bag that blew away with the wind ....... (I didn’t tell you that)

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Natalia

..and then he’s right, the S-400 doesn’t go round on shells, my jamb.

Well, stick him a plus

[Natalia]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, stick him a plus

Yeah )

[bulvas]

Quote: Natalia

We must be friends with Russia)))
Let them ask Putin, mmmm ......... about cooperation.

July 12th we took a taxi to Ben Gurion Airport from Tel Aviv

We talked about football and of course about Hamas rockets, the problem of the Palestinians, Gaza.

The driver is an Israeli, does not speak Russian (i.e. 100% Israeli). When I asked what to do with Gaza and the Palestinians when they found a way out, he answered me:

- we need Putin, then everything will be decided!

[Natalia]

Quote: bulvas

The driver is an Israeli, does not speak Russian (i.e. 100% Israeli). When I asked what to do with Gaza and the Palestinians when they found a way out, he answered me:

- we need Putin, then everything will be decided!

Probably not all Jews share this point of view ....

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Natalia

We have things more powerful (more efficient) than the Israeli dome)

About "more powerful things" we ourselves with a mustache


And about efficiency ... thanks - neighing.

[Natalia]

Quote: And Us Rat

About "more powerful things" we ourselves with a mustache

Yes, I know that myself, you are still those cunning ....... Mlyn )
I don’t understand the current, what did this America rest against you?)
And so, there are no questions well done that you can .... you need to protect yourself naturally.)

Quote: And Us Rat

And about efficiency ... thanks - neighing

Well, here they are pralo neighing, according to the shell of that, S-400, slightly, mmmmda, not chewing left.

But I wonder how your Heck will reflect, say .... mmmmm, the SCAD missile? I would like to see it)

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Natalia

But I wonder how your Heck will reflect, say .... mmmmm, the SCAD missile? wink I would like to see it)

Actually, it was designed for this, when the amer's "patriots" screwed up with the interception of SCADs in 1991, it was decided to create a missile defense system of its own production.
"Hets" intercepts ballistic and quasi-ballistic targets in conditions of active electronic warfare countermeasures, and having an approach speed of up to 4,5 km / s.

[Natalia]

Quote: And Us Rat

SKADov in 1991, it was decided to create a missile defense system of its own production.
"Hets" intercepts ballistic and quasi-ballistic targets in conditions of active electronic warfare countermeasures, and having an approach speed of up to 4,5 km / s.

......cool

Quote: And Us Rat

American "patriots" screwed up with interception

shoot down SCADES by patriots almost as "effectively" as S-400 shells)))

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Natalia

Quote: And Us Rat

About "more powerful things" we ourselves with a mustache

Yes, I know that myself, you are still those cunning ....... Mlyn )
I don’t understand the current, what did this America rest against you?)

Because the Russian bear is in permanent hibernation.

[Pimply]

Do not carry nonsense. Half an hour ago, I shot down two rockets. From the North, the systems are removed to the center and to the south of the country

[Giant thought]

There was a lot of advertising, PR. Nothing really outstanding. Let them learn the effectiveness of our complexes.

[Pimply]

Quote: Thought Giant

Nothing really outstanding.

Can you justify?

[psiho117]

You are funny. What did the "four hundredth" hit? Whom did you protect? How many civilians did you save?
Now estimate how many have already beaten, and how many lives the Israeli complex saved.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Giant thought

Let them learn the effectiveness of our complexes.

I have a quiet tantrum already from laughter begins.
This is what for example? For those who do not see our planes over Syria at close range and are jammed with electronic warfare systems "for one or two"?

[shuhartred]

Quote: And Us Rat

For those who do not see our planes over Syria at close range and are jammed with electronic warfare systems "for one or two"?

Are these the ones we wrote off in 1980 and sold to the Syrians? Well, laugh further. And then I do not know what the Israeli aviation is doing in the Syrian sky, but if it works on the "opposition" militants, then why would the Syrian air defense system prevent you from solving their problem? But they can also piss a bullet at your airplanes. In general, to listen to you all the Russian weapons are shit, and yours and amerskoe top of perfection. Doesn't it smell like sectarianism? Or that same urrya which you so sharply condemn?

[shuhartred]

Oh no less from Israel minus flew in. Come on, who have collected the most of the minuses there?

[shuhartred]

Op one more. Let's catch. Following...

[Neksel]

Quote: shuhartred

Op one more. Let's catch. Following...

And do not wait

[shuhartred]

Quote: Neksel

And do not wait

Well, thank you. So will we ply each other? Catch a serve and in lyuli. Tomorrow everyone’s sleep at work!

[gandalf]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Not an iron dome, but a copper basin ...

Rather like a colander ...

[Silkway0026]

It seems in vain that they allowed the Americans to modernize ...

[bmv04636]

Perfection has no end

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bmv04636

Perfection has no end

Some kind of double meaning in your comment ...

[Ptah]

Quote: Ingvar 72

double meaning

"Ends" don't have "perfection" - is that how it should sound?
Greetings Igor!

[Ingvar 72]

Hi Vadim!
Am I watching a bird on your profile picture from a harmless bullfinch turned into a formidable eagle?

[zao74]

Yes, put any "dome" - will break through in time.

[Ingvar 72]

Absolute result is not guaranteed by any air defense system.

[Pimply]

This is the first. Secondly, there is no LCD in the north right now. Their number is limited, and they (batteries) protect the center and south of the country, which are subjected to extremely intense shelling. Thirdly, the Americans did not participate in the development, they only paid for part of the batteries

[Locksmith]

Quote: Pimply

Thirdly, the Americans did not participate in the development

You have repeated many times that you do not like nonsense, now you have uttered nonsense - in your vaunted LCD half of the typical electronics of Amer production.

[suomi76]

In the four elbrus4 domestic processor complex, which is also used for GIS, the Operator, sadly, contains an AMD Radeon graphics card with support for hardware acceleration of 3d graphics. So not only they. And the condors are also Taiwanese.

[Pimply]

Quote: Locksmith

You have repeated many times that you do not like nonsense, now you have uttered nonsense - in your vaunted LCD half of the typical electronics of Amer production.

Right. Does it say that it is designed there? Your ceiling light was invented by Thomas Edison. Is she American?

[shuhartred]

Quote: Pimply

Your ceiling light was invented by Thomas Edison. Is she american?

How can you say that? Thomas Edison is a great Ukrainian scientist. Didn't you know? You two on the story.

[Mountain shooter]

Not a single system has 100% efficiency, especially with the mass use of missiles. So what is the effectiveness? Judging by the losses of Israel, it is still a very effective system.

[P-38]

In 2012, the effectiveness of the system was estimated at 80-85%. In 2014, performance indicators fell.

Well, yes, this is after the system was tested in practice

[Dezinto]

Israel. And Israel. High-ranking officials openly throw ridges there in Ukraine. And the slogans and appeals are the same as in 1936-39 in Germany. In this connection a question. Maybe you notice neo-fascism that blooms lush is not so far from you?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: DEZINTO

Maybe you will notice neofascism

They have already noticed. What else can explain the fact that at a meeting of Putin with representatives of religious organizations there were only one rabbis from different parts of the earth. Makes me think.

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: DEZINTO

Maybe you will notice neofascism

They have already noticed. What else can explain the fact that at a meeting of Putin with representatives of religious organizations there were only one rabbis from different parts of the earth. Makes me think.

But did they notice with whose direct assistance this fascism hatched? Did they notice who fed the fascists with cookies?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

But did they notice with whose direct assistance this fascism hatched?

Of course, when you consider that in the United States they rule and determine politics, finance, and the finances in the United States belong to large Jewish families. You should not consider the politics of Israel separately from the politics of world Jewry. And following from this, it turns out that they are playing a double game in the best traditions of the Ben Gurion covenants.

[Pimply]

Quote: Ingvar 72

US finances are owned by large Jewish families.

And that’s all. And ZOG rules the world

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Pimply

. And ZOG rules the world

Yes, of course, it’s a mere coincidence that the entire world financial system and the media are arranged one to one according to the Zion protocols. There is such a boring science - Theory of probability, read at your leisure for development.

[Pimply]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Yes, of course, it’s a mere coincidence that the entire global financial system and the media are arranged one to one according to the Zion Protocols. There is such a boring science - Probability Theory, read at your leisure for development

There is such a thing - cospirology and its brother - xenophobia. As I recall your sources of information ... Have you ever read about probability theory? Or just heard the name?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Pimply

cospirology and its brother - xenophobia.

You famously combined incompatible, pulled your ears. Haman would appreciate your joke, but it won’t work without ears. He also believed in conspiracy, the poor fellow, therefore he remained without ears, moreover, in his own country. Eat Zhenya, cookies (Aman’s ears), but don’t tell me about xenophobia, I personally leafed through the Catechism published in Tel Aviv. Look for xenophobia there.

[Pimply]

Quote: Ingvar 72

You famously combined incompatible, pulled your ears.

Well, you succeed, do you think you're alone in this?

[Mama_Cholli]

Well, why suffer from modesty here? Yet they already know ...
write: ... and work on it.

[Ptah]

Quote: DEZINTO

And Israel. There, in Ukraine, they openly throw ridges as in the 1936-39 year in Germany.

What is this before Israel? They began to throw ridges on the night of November 9-10, 38. The reason was the murder of German diplomat Ernst vom Rath on November 9 by the Polish Jew Herschel Grinshpan.
But world Jewry declared a “holy war” to the new regime back in March 1933 of the year, expressed in the economic and financial boycott of Germany. At the same time, when in Europe and the United States spontaneously(?) the “anti-Nazi boycott” began.
When, two years before, German authorities announced the nationalization of banks and enterprises owned by Jews for more than 10 years.
And flooded them from all the media of that time.
But in Ukraine there is nothing like that at all. Therefore, silence from Israel.

[johnsnz]

Why Americans don’t reach out, eventually loses its effectiveness .... cause for thought!

[Yellow white]

it is worth now for the Arabs to "fill their hand" on the rockets, upgrade a little and their dome will be covered with a copper basin!

[Pimply]

Quote: Black and White

it is worth now for the Arabs to "fill their hand" on the rockets, upgrade a little and their dome will be covered with a copper basin!

This is not the first time they are trying to fill their hand. So far, the system has become more efficient once in a while

[Uncle]

Quote: Pimply

This is not the first time they are trying to fill their hand.

In general, this is completely not normal when shelling cities. I do not understand how Israel endures. Here we killed a man with a shell, so the next day the plane of punishers was bombarded. And they did it right. So this, given the fact that Putin’s hands are tied, he is forced to speak the language of diplomacy with Ukrainian-American mongrels. And Israel, as if, no one restricts in methods and means. Why do not they crave serious? To fight like that ...

[Pimply]

Quote: Uncle

In general, this is completely not normal when shelling cities. I do not understand how Israel endures.

Israel has no such influence that without paying attention to the world community to carry out such an operation. That is, if necessary, he conducted and conducted, but he would prefer not to aggravate, since very severe pressure immediately begins. In addition, such operations are expensive.

[Uncle]

Quote: Pimply

if necessary, he will conduct and conducted

All these are half measures. Although, I agree, if you destroy the enemy, you will be accused of genocide. Honestly, the situation is stalemate.

[Pimply]

Quote: Uncle

All these are half measures. Although, I agree, if you destroy the enemy, you will be accused of genocide. Honestly, the situation is stalemate.

Nearly. The problem is that the capture of Gaza and the elimination of Hamas will not solve this problem. We have to deal with a bunch of disparate groups. And so Hamas deals with them

[Uncle]

Quote: Pimply

We have to deal with a bunch of disparate groups. And so Hamas deals with them

Then make friends with Hamas. Like Putin and Kadyrov, he destroyed all groups, now Putin’s patriot.

[Pimply]

Quote: Uncle

Then make friends with Hamas. Like Putin and Kadyrov, he destroyed all groups, now Putin’s patriot.

Unreal. Kadyrov in Israel is Fatah. Which is also quite radical. GDP itself simply destroyed its Hamas. What did not stop the process.

[bubla5]

Americans seem to be doing everything so that Israel does not have peaceful coexistence, the east rests only on the so-called dictators, it seems there was order, now there is a mess around the Jews, there’s a clever unite all Arabs like in Iraq ....., or the mess may be better than developed Arab state, but you don’t understand

[Neksel]

text: That would be ...... Hamas would receive from me.

[Stypor23]

Quote: Neksel

text: That would be ...... Hamas would receive from me.

It is very interesting for Russian-speaking comrades that Putin speaks Hebrew.

[gamer]

Quote: Magic Archer

Do not compare, Dear) All the same, C-400 is designed for other purposes. Starting from drones and ending with satellites. But I agree about cooperation. There is something to learn from the Jews. For example, Israel makes the best drones in the world. We should how come in handy

totally agree

[Vitaly Anisimov]

The most interesting thing is that the Arabs make their rockets by handicraft (ordinary pipes and homemade explosives from scrap materials) .. And if serious rockets hit this "dome" ..?

[Neksel]

Quote: MIKHAN

The most interesting thing is that the Arabs make their rockets by handicraft (ordinary pipes and homemade explosives from scrap materials) .. And if serious rockets hit this "dome" ..?

Not all rockets are homemade. It is precisely the Iranian-made Fajr-5 missiles that are easier to shoot down with a dome, since their distance is longer and, accordingly, they are in flight longer. But handicraft - you need to shoot down a maximum of 15-20 seconds.

[Sagittarius]

I wanted to ask. Does the iron dome give such "amazing" effectiveness only against targets with a high ballistic trajectory? If I'm flat, but in 20 seconds. 40 missiles ("Grad"), but with the direct hands of the gunners? All this is relative enough.

[Pimply]

Quote: Sagittarius

I wanted to ask. Does the iron dome give such "amazing" effectiveness only against targets with a high ballistic trajectory? If I'm flat, but in 20 seconds. 40 missiles ("Grad"), but with the direct hands of the gunners? All this is relative enough.

20 seconds usually these gunners do not. Well, the system was already destroying volleys

[Pimply]

Quote: MIKHAN

The most interesting thing is that the Arabs make their rockets by handicraft (ordinary pipes and homemade explosives from scrap materials) .. And if serious rockets hit this "dome" ..?

Before you carry the ravings, read about what rockets are launched now

[shuhartred]

Quote: Pimply

Before you carry the ravings, read about what rockets are launched now

What's the difference? The missile is uncontrolled, there is no difference for interception (if it is not hypersonic)

Quote: Pimply

Well, the system was already destroying volleys

And how massive? Does it make 1000 missiles in one gulp?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: shuhartred

And how massive? Does it make 1000 missiles in one gulp?

Purely hypothetically, there are no restrictions, it all depends on the number of missile defense batteries connected to the network, the effectiveness of the radars attached to them, and the computing power of the control center.

To intercept a volley of 1000 missiles you will need:
17+ batteries (60 interceptors per battery)
2-3 Green Pine level radars, to display the general picture (Dome radars are sectoral).
And the control center is capable of "digesting" such a task (from a strategic missile defense, for example).

At the moment, from the list, we lack only the batteries themselves (there are only 9 of them).
But for such a volley it is necessary to deprive Israel of the Air Force, which cuts even single artillery launchers. What can be done except for the coalitions of developed countries (even the United States alone can’t cope). And that, in turn, will free Israel’s hands on the use of nuclear weapons (one of the conditions is the loss of more than 85% of the Air Force), that is, a de facto thermonuclear war - which, no one in the world, in their right mind would do.

RESULT: A single-shot volley of 1000 missiles is objectively unrealistic.

[gormih]

Quote: Moment

Again, the Americans slipped a cat in a poke. Maybe now Europe, and other countries will think whether to put a missile defense or live in peace.

They have long been living as they please uncles Samam from Washington and London. Like rams in a herd - they will be told to jump off a cliff - they will jump, because there is also a crowd of rams behind, and it will not work to stop.

[bmv04636]

Since the implementation of the disengagement plan for Israeli territory, about 8 missiles have been fired from the Gaza Strip. 450 of them - from January 2014 until the start of the operation “Indestructible Rock”. From the start of the operation to the writing of these lines, 700 missiles were fired at Israeli settlements. 150 of them were intercepted by the Iron Dome complex.
The state of Israel, having chosen a defensive strategy, found itself in an asymmetric situation. A lull does not result in a lull. Almost every missile from Gaza launched in the direction of large settlements is interrupted by an air defense system. You can divide the missiles that Hamas bombards Israel into two parts: cheap, the cost of which is one hundredth of the cost of the Iron Dome missiles that knock them down ($ 100-300), and more expensive missiles that are not made in Gaza and go there from Iran, as well as from several “friends” of Hamas.
In such a situation, even if all of Hamas’s missiles are knocked down by the Iron Dome and do not harm the lives of the Israelis, the terrorist group benefits because it damages the Jewish state economically. Firstly, the economy is forced to operate in a limited mode (many workers cannot function normally in such conditions). Secondly, we are talking about the high cost of the Iron Dome itself. Thirdly, in such an extreme situation, the level of foreign investment is reduced (who wants to invest in companies whose laboratories are located in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Be'er Sheva - in the radius of fire). Fourthly, enormous damage is caused to foreign tourism in Israel.

War in Gaza is ravaging the Israelis ("NRG", Israel)
Adi arbel

[Professor]

In this regard, the Israeli Defense Ministry began to pay close attention to the effectiveness of the “Iron Dome” anti-missile defense system, which was developed with the participation of the United States.

Strange statement. The iron dome is not deployed in the Golan. How can he shoot down rockets there?

PS
LCD proved its effectiveness by exceeding its specifications.

[bmv04636]

it’s true, professor, that the iron dome does not work against ballistic missiles.

[Dart_Veyder]

You surprise me with your questions about the LCD for small-radius missiles, followed by the Sling for the middle and then the mammoth Hetz 2 \ 3

[Professor]

Quote: bmv04636

it’s true, professor, that the iron dome does not work against ballistic missiles.

And what are these MLRS missiles?

[bmv04636]

I apologize I will correct my question the iron dome does not work against ICBMs

[STALGRAD76]

But how did you live before placing the LCD on the b / d ?? or about five years ago, the Arabs did not launch rockets at you ??

[Pimply]

Quote: STALGRAD76

But how did you live before placing the LCD on the b / d ?? or about five years ago, the Arabs did not launch rockets at you ??

Read the story

[bmv04636]

congratulations professor

[Anisim1977]

This Arab-Israeli mess can be solved only radically - the resettlement of Palestinians 100% in neighboring Arab countries.
There is simply no other way - as long as there is a nutrient medium - there is always someone to blow on the coals.

[bmv04636]

Like Comrade Stalin at one time did after the victory of the Ukrainians overpowered into the territory of Ukraine all the Poles living on the territory of Ukraine to Poland, however, grabbing part of the Polish lands but at the same time gave part of the German lands. Wise policy.

[STALGRAD76]

Well, you are a bb strategist, you have not forgotten the story ?? and who should relocate whom there ???

[bmv04636]

more responsible and strong should take on this not light burden

[silverwolf88]

I do not believe in the effectiveness of the "iron dome" ... there is no comprehensive approach to the topic ...
They would have to be equipped with tools like Shell C ... then we can talk about the expected effect ...
The directions of shelling are known ... therefore, the effectiveness of the complex system swapping will be high.

[And Us Rat]

[quote = silberwolf88] I do not believe in the effectiveness of the "iron dome" ... there is no comprehensive approach to the topic ... / quote]
What makes you think that an integrated approach is missing ?! From incompetent rumors?
The Kupol is only a link in a five-tier missile defense system.
1. "Iron beam" (will be from 2015) 0.5 - 8 km.
2. "Iron dome" ("Dome" since 2008) 4 - 70 km.
3. "Magic wand" (2015-2016, will replace the "Patriot") 5 - 250 km.
4. "Arrow 2" (since 1998) - against MRBMs with an approach speed of up to 4.5 km / s.
5. "Arrow 3" (from 2016-2018) - a kinetic interceptor of long-range ballistic missiles, in the future of upgrades against ICBMs and low-orbit satellites.

[Pimply]

Itar-TAAS in terms of quality of materials is getting worse and worse. What a fucking nonsense.

So, let's rake, At the moment, there are 9 Iron Dome systems in service, two were transferred during Operation Unbreakable Rock. The systems were transferred from the north of the country and from Eilat to the south and to the center, since they showed high efficiency and they are not enough, they were transferred from the least problematic areas.

I read the Israeli press daily. What is the garden's concern? LCDs sing dithyrambs (with the exception of one professor whose systems were rejected, after which he began to carry nonsense about LCD).

Now the main photo of the Israeli Internet is a photograph of pregnant Major E., who heads the labarotorium for research and development of the Ministry of Defense, and is responsible, among other things, for the LCD.

It is called "do not read Soviet newspapers at breakfast" (c)

[netMolotov]

In 2012, the effectiveness of the system was estimated at 80-85%. In 2014, performance indicators fell.

Do not believe the liars! July 7, returned from Donetsk (took mother-in-law from the war). I live in the suburb of Tel Aviv - Bat Yam. Day 2-4 air alerts! Not a single rocket reached the whole earth! Efficiency boils a barsel for Tel Aviv County - 100%! The rest of Israel is no worse! After Donetsk, even my mother-in-law feels safe here - given that almost every house has a bomb shelter!

[ultra]

Quote: netMolotov

After Donetsk, even my mother-in-law feels safe here

Given the qualifications of ukroartileristov and flyers, after Donetsk, even in Gaza you will feel safe!

[Bombardier]

For some reason, I believe you. And I urge comrades not to splash saliva, but to soberly assess the combat capabilities of this system. The system has proven its effectiveness against this class of missiles! I think it makes sense for us to study the modern experience of protecting civilian objects in the mode of combat use, I emphasize the combat use. Domestic professionals from the military-industrial complex, I hope, are closely following the experience (it can be negative or positive) of confronting modern anti-missile systems against artisanal and not entirely artisanal, but massively launched missiles. And if now the Israelis do not succeed, then I think there will be a tendency to modernize the complexes based on the experience gained. I suggest that many of the local people think "we have the best" - is it really bad to learn from other people's examples?

[STALGRAD76]

To be honest, I’m not very familiar with the performance characteristics of the LCD and its combat personnel.
It is impossible not to note the fact that the LCD as a stationary air defense copes with its tasks perfectly.
I consider the comparison of LC with domestic complexes inappropriate, since all of our modern stationary (and whether stationary I do not mean PU) complexes are long-range and have tasks for covering objects from a CC that are different from LCDs.
Probably LCD, 24h. is in readiness No. 1, in general, how it is implemented in SAM is quite interesting.

[STALGRAD76]

tell me, when there was no ZhK about five years ago, did the Arabs directly block you every day, yes ??

[Pimply]

Quote: STALGRAD76

tell me, when there was no ZhK about five years ago, did the Arabs directly block you every day, yes ??

Their arsenal was thinner, and yes, there were regular casualties

[Stypor23]

Yes, Jews are driving the whole world, this dome is functioning normally.

[Neksel]

Quote: Stypor23

Yes, Jews are driving the whole world, this dome is functioning normally.

Who drives what? The point is that the content of this article is bullshit. And this is not a statement by the Jews about the reduction of the dome. On the contrary - only praise. The result is better than expected.
Tfu-tfu, on our part, those who died directly from rocket fire - not a single one.
And this is after many hundreds of rockets. Even if most of them are artisanal, they also contain explosives. And earlier, with fewer shellings and even more artisanal missiles (all the same, Hamasniki also evolve their missiles), but without a dome, Israel suffered slightly larger losses among the civilian population.
You would have such domes in the southeast of Ukraine, I think it would save many lives.

[Stypor23]

Quote: Neksel

Who drives what? The point is that the content of this article is bullshit. And this is not a statement of the Jews.

It is clear that bullshit, do not work this system, you would have fought for a long time, and not sat on the forum.

[voyaka uh]

If anyone is interested, the other day I was riding as usual on a bicycle
from work when the siren howled. I lay on my back on the pedestrian
sidewalk and had the good fortune to watch.
The interception (during the day) looks like this: the attacking rocket is clearly visible - it leaves a trace of white smoke from the working engine. He quickly drifts and
dissolves. The Iron Dome interceptor missile is also visible by
white haze. She catches up with the Grad from below (it can be seen, as if from the side) and
Attaches side by side on a parallel course for a few seconds.
Then the interceptor makes a jerk obliquely and - a thick cloud of smoke,
then boom.

[Stypor23]

Quote: voyaka uh

If anyone is interested, the other day I was riding as usual on a work bicycle, when the siren wailed. I lay on my back on the sidewalk and had the good fortune to watch.

, cool story. I thought that during the shelling, the civilian population descends into the bunkers. The courage of the city takes. .I just imagined this picture, you had to run away to the store for bubalekh

[voyaka uh]

I generally behaved according to the instructions:
if there is a bomb shelter close - there, if not -
lie down on the ground. Just relies on my stomach
covering his head with his hands ... but it was too curious.

[Stypor23]

Quote: voyaka uh

but it was too curious.

It is necessary to follow the instructions, the cat will not let lie.

[Tourist Breakfast]

The other day I was driving a car past the battery of the Iron Dome at the moment when he launched the interceptor. It looks like a ball of fire nearby, with a roar flying overhead. On the suburban highway, a siren was not heard. He gave up gas and escaped from there, because it was already too late to stop and get out of the car.

[Stypor23]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

Gave the gas and fled from there

The entertainment is wonderful. You can put sun loungers, put on sunglasses and admire how the rockets fly.

[Tourist Breakfast]

The entertainment is wonderful. You can put sun loungers, put on sunglasses and admire how the rockets fly.

Another umbrella from the debris falling from above is needed.

[Stypor23]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

Another umbrella from the debris falling from above is needed.

True, I forgot to write about him. Especially enterprising citizens will figure out the shekels, to make money on this.

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: Stypor23

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

Gave the gas and fled from there

The entertainment is wonderful. You can put sun loungers, put on sunglasses and admire how the rockets fly.

And yet they sometimes fall. Apparently something goes wrong in relations between people, therefore all these "entertainment"

[Stypor23]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

And yet they sometimes fall

The guys with the Israeli flags say that Proshka is excellent, though the hens died last week.

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Apparently something goes wrong in relations between people, therefore all these "entertainment"

The disputes of these business entities will go on until the end of life on earth. What now voyaka uh and the Breakfast of the Tourists should not at least admire how their army protects.

[Tourist Breakfast]

And yet they sometimes fall. Apparently something is going wrong in relations between people, therefore all these "entertainment

War affects not only people. So the kote also suffer:

[Stypor23]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

So the kote also suffer:

Poor Jewish cats and they get it, for what? Immediately send unmanned bulders to the terra base!

[Mama_Cholli]

Unfortunately you are right ...

[STALGRAD76]

yes buddy, would you write novels

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: voyaka uh

If anyone is interested, the other day I was riding as usual on a bicycle
from work when the siren howled. I lay on my back on the pedestrian
sidewalk and had the good fortune to watch.
The interception (during the day) looks like this: the attacking rocket is clearly visible - it leaves a trace of white smoke from the working engine. He quickly drifts and
dissolves. The Iron Dome interceptor missile is also visible by
white haze. She catches up with the Grad from below (it can be seen, as if from the side) and
Attaches side by side on a parallel course for a few seconds.
Then the interceptor makes a jerk obliquely and - a thick cloud of smoke,
then boom.

Everyone has their own concept of happiness ...

[Tourist Breakfast]

Yes, please tell us, who have the daily "happiness" of observing with their own eyes the interception of Hamas missiles overhead, for the effectiveness of the LCD.

[Mama_Cholli]

I just commented on the actual performance of your brother. In fact, I do not wish Israel such "happiness", but my opinion is that your state is doomed. The dome, or the saucer, is just an attempt to delay it. I repeat, unfortunately ... But you could probably have lived differently? Everything from people ...

Pisi: I do not minus and do not mock. I'm just a little depressed, because today I managed to slip into this subway in the subway 15 minutes before the deaths of so many people.
So now I’m thinking about happiness and who has it ...

[Sultan]

Israel's initially incorrect policy towards its neighbors (it simply could not have been different, after the forcible displacement of the Arabs from their lands) leads to a constantly smoldering interethnic conflict with periodic crises, similar to recent events. Yes, you can endlessly arm yourself and carry out military operations, you can provide total control of the territory and at the same time live in constant stress and fear of the threat of terrorist attacks. Let's look at the nature of Palestinian "terrorism":
1) A people deprived of their lands, rights and dignity as a result of an artificially formed quasi-state - Israel
2) These people (Arabs) have no means of protecting their interests, either political or military. In conditions when the strongest is right (the rules of the game of the Indians) they have no choice but to defend their rights with the help of terror methods. I must say that the terror phenomenon is quite ancient, in this way the local population always fought against the invaders of their lands. One of the most striking examples is the activity of Soviet partisans, who were in the occupation of Nazi troops in the Great Patriotic War.
3) The constant police pressure, discrimination and simply neglect of the Arabs by the Israelis provokes a natural response.

The Jews, striving for the possession of their state, did not bother themselves in consulting with the population of the place where the state was supposed to be formed. Supported by the Indian subcontinent, or rather by the strongest Jewish lobbies, they provided free military cover and funding for their new state formation. They simply drove the natives out of the territory as the Anglo-Saxons did in their conquered colonies. Naturally, it was impossible to kill all the Arabs at once, so the tactics of gradual squeezing were applied. Instead of making every effort to nullify all the inconveniences and infringements and the development of interethnic and intercultural relations with the Arabs, the Israelis chose a more "simple" Nazi approach to solving the issue for them. As a result, we have a continuous volcano of conflicts, from time to time awakening and spewing magma from itself, bringing destruction and death to EVERYONE.

Where will all this lead? As a rule, the aggressor loses his position over time and is defeated. So with Israel, in the very near future, the same will teach the aggressor, provided that the suicidal policy towards the Arabs continues. This is all the more relevant with the weakening of the influence of the Indian subcontinent in the world (or even its imminent self-destruction) - the main guarantor of Israel's stability. Time is critically short. The fire of the Middle East war could easily spread to Israel. And then no "iron dome" will save. IMHO.

[voyaka uh]

"So with Israel in the very near future, the same will teach the aggressor," ///

There is such a bearded Jewish joke:
"Moishe, how are you?" - "Thank you, you won't wait ..."

[Mama_Cholli]

You just try to ignore ... And you're all trying to joke. But the Sultan is a little higher - he wrote the truth ...

[Dart_Veyder]

The quasi-state lyalyala and blah-blah, they did not oust anyone, they fled themselves, and those who remained enjoy it. About the people - "people" was formed 15 years after the "displacement". Well ad-discrimination is a myth. The aggressor eventually loses, but the aggressor is not Israel, and he will not lose because he fights to the end.
py si
And how is it right to meet bearded fighters `` for their land '', who want to throw people living on this territory into the sea, with bread and salt or merkabai?

[Dart_Veyder]

In general, Padded approves8)

[Dart_Veyder]

In general, Padded approves8)

[VladimS]

I think Russia should offer assistance to Israel in protecting cities from missile attacks with the help of air defense systems Shell, Tunguska, S-350, 400.. It would be a great advertisement for Russian weapons and a good kick for the United States with its ambitions for missile defense in Europe.

I believe that air defense systems generally should not be sold for export. This is something that, if the situation changed, would act against our missiles ... That’s not gut. Let the world try to support or spend huge amounts of money on the development of such systems, than on the finished ...

[netMolotov]

ultra - Given the skills of ukroartileristov and flyers, after Donetsk, even in Gaza you will feel safe!

I was at home in Donetsk from June 16.06 to July 7.07 - I’ll say as a witness - there is no side to the conflict thinking about the lives of civilians! He witnessed the battle for the capture of the RF. near the Lighthouse - DNR residents beat out everything that is possible despite the fact that there are skyscrapers with people around - my house was 500 meters from the battle!

[Uncle]

Quote: netMolotov

DNR residents beat out everything that can be done despite the fact that high-rises with people are standing around

A DNR from another test? I want to live.

[Vadim12]

The system is effective against "homemade schoolchildren". A normal supersonic missile with a maneuvering course and traveling at an ultra-low altitude is even difficult to detect, let alone shoot down.

[Tourist Breakfast]

A normal supersonic missile with a maneuvering course and traveling at an ultra-low altitude is even difficult to detect, not to bring it down.

Would you mind giving an example of such a projectile?

[shuhartred]

Quote: Tourist Breakfast

A normal supersonic missile with a maneuvering course and traveling at an ultra-low altitude is even difficult to detect, not to bring it down.

Would you mind giving an example of such a projectile?

RCC Granite. Or is it not supersonic? But we had some kind of prodigy with such performance characteristics.

[Tourist Breakfast]

RCC Granite. Or is it not supersonic? But we had some kind of prodigy with such performance characteristics.

It won’t work.
Firstly, anti-ship missiles are not suitable for use on land and attack targets such as "city".
Secondly, "Granite" descends to an ultra-low height just in front of the target.
Thirdly, he needs an external TSU.

Any other examples?

[shuhartred]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

It won’t work.

I understand that it will not work. Just tried to keep within the framework given in this post

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

Normal supersonic rocket with maneuvering course and traveling at ultra low altitude

Complies with these requirements, albeit with a stretch. And I personally do not have other options, I'm not special. Something like talking about supersonic KR no?

[Dart_Veyder]

'' The Israeli authorities agreed to
peaceful settlement
conflict with Hamas proposed
Egypt. It’s not clear at the moment
what will be the answer of the Palestinian
groupings. Monday combat wing
groupings reported that
rejects the peace plan however
Hamas officials told the BBC
si that don't give up
signing the document, but wish to consider the conditions. Peace initiative comes from
Cairo, where the meetings took place
warring delegations
parties. ''
http://bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/07/140715_rn_egypt_israel_deal
repeat in 2-3 years ..

[KIRON]

Not a bad, essentially a system. The Israelis will bring it, in general there will be a song.

[tilix]

How do we evaluate this pamphlet and outright lies? By the way, who wrote? And he shows about the great concern of some uncles. That damn system works, and theirs is not in the ... red army. It's good. And the angrier they growl and the louder howls of mongrel - this means that they succeeded. The Americans, by the way, also sensed that it was good, and hastened to bind the system to themselves so that they could not sell themselves. But they swelled a lot into it. Will there be adequate estimates?

[STALGRAD76]

LCD for its tasks (and it specifically solves its problem) few people will suit, I think that in the form in which it now has not a large export potential,

[kirqiz ssr]

simple blanks are easy to beat, and if there are rockets with jamming of an iron bath, there will be khan.

[STALGRAD76]

not a damn easy

[padded jacket]

Speckled do not fool people Hets and S-400 completely different systems.
Hets is an order of magnitude worse, and if I may say so stupid.
It reads:
The Khets-2 missile defense system is a system for intercepting medium-range ballistic tactical and operational tactical missiles as part of the zonal missile defense of military and industrial facilities.
Unlike the American PATRIOT and the Russian S-400, it cannot shoot down enemy aircraft. It only intercepts missiles, although it can be any modern ballistic missiles.

S-400 is considered the most advanced in the world. It is capable of hitting any military means of air attack: from reconnaissance aircraft to ballistic and cruise missiles flying at speeds several times higher than the speed of sound. It is not difficult for the S-400 to destroy any strategic bomber, even if it was developed using the Stealth technology. Triumph can simultaneously fire at 36 enemy aircraft, while at the same time it can direct two missiles at each target.

[Pimply]

Quote: quilted jacket

Hets is an order of magnitude worse, and if I may say so stupid.

Or we can say that one is universal, and the second is highly specialized 8)

[padded jacket]

You could say that, but to create a system with its dimensions similar to C-400, just for intercepting missiles is simply stupid or the technology is backward.

[Pimply]

Quote: quilted jacket

You could say that, but to create a system with its dimensions similar to C-400, just for intercepting missiles is simply stupid or the technology is backward.

Or other tasks and the concept of a missile defense system?

[padded jacket]

Hetz does not have air defense tasks, she only has missions and missile defense capabilities.
This missile defense system is bulky and one-sided.

[voyaka uh]

Your quote:
"He [Hatz] only intercepts missiles,
true it can be any modern ballistic missiles "

I like that by consecutively criticizing Israel, you teach
a lot of actual technical material from the network.
I would not be surprised if, over time, you become a fiery Zionist.
Such metamorphoses have already happened to people.

[padded jacket]

Quote: voyaka uh

I would not be surprised if, over time, you become a fiery Zionist.
Such metamorphoses have already happened to people.

Thank you laugh

[bmv04636]

I wonder if it is possible to provide ICBMs with a vacuum (volume) instead of a vigorous charge

[padded jacket]

And in the meantime:
"Tseva Adom" in Kerem Shalom. The rocket exploded in an open area.
Palestinian partisans fired three rockets into Israeli territory less than an hour after the Israeli government announced a ceasefire. Both rockets exploded in an open area in the Eshkol region.
Siren in Zikim, Karmiye and Ashkelon industrial zone.
Siren in Kerem Shalom
Partisans fired three missiles at Eilat. Two of them exploded in a built-up area within the city, causing material damage. Another rocket exploded in an open area. As a result of the shelling, two people were slightly injured. 13 people fell into a state of shock, for the removal of which they needed medical attention.
July data:
July: 384 shelling, 1.125 rockets - 31 wounded. 208 missiles were shot down by the Iron Dome missile defense system (as of July 15).

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: quilted jacket

Palestinian partisans

There are no partisans, there are Palestinian TERRORISTS!

[padded jacket]

I watched a report from Gaza. Israeli helicopters fly near the border without even shooting IR-traps. Partisans apparently have no air defense systems at all.

[Pimply]

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I watched a report from Gaza. Israeli helicopters fly near the border without even shooting IR-traps. Partisans apparently have no air defense systems at all.

In the course at what stage traps shoot?

Well, Hamas has stated several times that it tried to shoot down MANPADS

[padded jacket]

There, the border with Gaza is not far for MANPADS.
And at what stage do the traps shoot back?
Enlighten please.

[Alexander Romanov]

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у partisan not at all.

For partisans you slammed a minus.
A bit in Russia ***** who take the side of terror. Although it is clear from your comments that your relatives in Russia were not hurt by terrorists.

[netMolotov]

Hets is an order of magnitude worse, and if I may say so stupid.

This is all because in Hez American radio tubes are used and in the S-400 Russian microprocessors! You read such vykaki, and you are amazed! Shapozakatidstvo in our people is not destroyed!

[Purgen]

The other day only, only from Israel ... A bogged-up country, and the people as a whole ... We had to master Birobidzhan! .. but I wanted to get closer to the sources, to the heat ... that’s the result on the face ... and it will be go on forever!

[Praetorian]

So I do not understand. If this system knocks everything that flies toward Israel, then what claims can there be in quality? What are the stupid equals with c400, what kind of jokes towards the Jews. Have you already gone, people?

[tilix]

Here you are people people, and they are contracts and positions down the drain. They still shout impossible !!! Jews lie and are generally ruined, and you are people people. One must understand that they have such kickbacks that you can’t write off a small war game.

[Dart_Veyder]

'' Israel adopted the Egyptian
Armistice Plan, Hamas -
no, '' says the Air Force, and it reminded me of the Six Day War, when the USSR did not like the wording and the peace was signed a day later, and Israel lent the Golan from Syria on an extra day. I wish you pleasant bonuses))

[padded jacket]

Israel admitted defeat:
Agreement with Hamas: the right is indignant, the left is applauding.
Deputy Minister of Defense Dani Danon called the agreement with Hamas "a slap in the face of Israeli citizens."
Ayelet Shaked iz of the Jewish House stated that "the end of the operation without hitting the tunnels and missile depots of Hamas is a retreat." Her party comrade Nisan Slomyanski believes that "the government should apologize to citizens for the lack of courage and for the fact that in a year or two they have to go through the same thing."
Former Sderot mayor Eli Moyal said that "Minister of History will call members of the government liars who beg for a draw from Hamas."
In the left camp they rejoice. The chairman of the MERETS faction in the Knesset, Ilan Gilaon, called the future treaty “a tactical achievement of the government.”
Zaava Gallon congratulated Netanyahu, calling the ceasefire "the right decision, which is recorded on the prime minister’s account."

[padded jacket]

Meanwhile, Israeli politicians and financiers are saving on ordinary people:
Elkin accuses the Ministry of Finance of saving on residents of the frontline areas.
Also, the commission separately raised the issue of the safety of Israelis living in the so-called "light" houses - buildings made of plasterboard and wood.
About 15 thousand citizens live in 15 blocks of such houses, located mainly in cities in the south of the country. Among them are many elderly repatriates who are not protected in their homes.
Many of these neighborhoods have no defenses other than the Iron Dome system. The Home Front Command is trying to solve the problem with the help of so-called "meguniyot" - movable concrete blocks. But at the moment, about 500 shelters are still lacking.
The government should take upon itself the solution of the housing issue of citizens living in "light" houses, because it was it who mistakenly set the standards by which these houses were built in order to provide housing for repatriates who arrived in the early 90s of the last century. "

[padded jacket]

In connection with the war, Israel creeps into a credit hole:
In June 2014, there was a record budget deficit of 4,9 billion shekels.
It is noted that this is due to the costs in the field of security, the newspaper "Israel Hayom" writes.
At the same time, additional costs associated with the operation "Unbreakable Rock" are not included in the report.
In this regard, a further increase in the budget deficit is expected in July.

[netMolotov]

padded jacket - In connection with the war, Israel creeps into the credit hole:

Yes of course! I came to Israel in the 2000m - the shekel rate was 4.5 to 1. During this time we survived here - the war in Iraq, the second intifada, the war with Lebanese Hezbollah, and again with Gaza in 2012 and again in 2014 - that's just the course is now 3.5 to 1 ! God give you such a credit hole!

[padded jacket]

So what? These criteria can not be measured:
For example, the Georgian lari costs -1,76 for 1 dollar.
And the Jordanian dinar is 0,7 for 1 dollar.
It turns out you live worse than in Georgia and Jordan?

[Stypor23]

Padded jacket, reveal to all of us, your secret about such love for Israel.

[Pimply]

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For example, the Georgian lari costs -1,76 for 1 dollar.

Nevertheless, there is a dynamics of currency appreciation

[3vs]

Yes, no air defense system will give 100 percent when several dozen missiles are launched simultaneously.

[Armata]

I read the comments, laughed. May I ask a question? Why does everyone think the weapons of other countries are potentially worse than Russian? Maybe just shouting hurray and start thinking with your head? The questions are over. If you can give advice. No need to yell that you can attach a neighbor with that hand if the second plaster is removed only after a week.

[Neksel]

We have the first dead ....
Zichrono Levraha.

[Dezzed]

Eye for an eye. Tooth by tooth ...

[kelevra]

It's time to modernize, what else can you say!