Will Russia answer Ukraine in Israel?

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On July 13, on Sunday, a shell came from the territory of Ukraine and hit a residential building in the city of Donetsk, Rostov Region. One person died, two injured. On the same day, the representative of the regional authorities, Alexander Titov, confirmed that the Ukrainian shell had fallen into a private house. Killed Russian 1967 p. Then a special statement by Igor Strelkov appeared in the press. According to him, the Ukrainian army is shelling Russian Donetsk trying to provoke Russia.



According to media reports, shelling was carried out from a mortar. Now in Donetsk, representatives of the Investigative Committee of Russia are working at the scene of the incident.

Earlier, a representative of regional authorities, Alexander Titov, confirmed the information about the hit of a Ukrainian shell in a residential private house. According to him, from this projectile damaged two private houses on the street Baltic. A Russian citizen 1967 year of birth died. According to the source RIA "News, Two women injured.

Kiev has its own "information". The representative of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Andrey Lysenko, stated that “Ukrainian troops are not firing on the territory of the Russian Federation. We did not shoot.

But I. I. Strelkov, commander of the militia in Ukraine, believes that by such actions Ukrainian troops are trying to provoke Russia.

"After applying the chemical weapons under Semyonovka I have no doubt about anything. Everything is being done to draw Russia into the war, or, conversely, to make sure that Russia does not enter the war ... They have "lost the coast" ... there is neither honor nor conscience, "the Strelkov newspaper quotes "Sight".

As for the reaction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia, the ministry presented a note of protest to the Charge d'Affaires of Ukraine: “This may have irreversible consequences, the responsibility for which will fall on the Ukrainian side. The Russian side once again insists on the rigorous adoption by the Ukrainian side of decisive measures to curb such provocations. ”

Thus, the estimates of the incident at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation and Strelkov coincide. Provocation!

In addition, it is known that only seven shells were found in the Donetsk region of Rostov.

On the same Sunday, the special correspondent of the TV channel “Star” Maxim Gritsenko, transmits "Southern News Agency", reported that the aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force violated the airspace of the Russian Federation.

Ukrainian aircraft flew into Russian territory and struck an airstrike on the territory of Ukraine. The witnesses of this heavenly attack were frightened.

The vice-speaker of the Russian Federation Council Yevgeny Bushmin reacted rather sharply to these provocations. He proposed to deliver a significant point strike to Ukraine in order to avoid repeated shelling, writes Pravda.ru.

Bushmin noted that the Kiev military increasingly organized provocations at the border. “The only way is to fight this, as civilized countries, the USA, the European Union. It is necessary to use pinpoint weapons, including as Israel, in order to destroy those who launched this bomb. ” The politician added that Tel Aviv in such cases calculates the launch site of the rocket and destroys the launcher.

The West is trying to “judge” the parties - in the face of the media.

“No matter how much we condemn Vladimir Putin for the illegal occupation of Crimea by Russia, the world can at least breathe a sigh of relief that Moscow has not continued the work begun in Ukraine,” he quotes "BBC" in the new review of the newspaper "Independent".

True, Russia threatens Ukraine with “irreversible consequences”: after all, the Russian died because of “apparently an accidental projectile hit the courtyard of the house.”

Well, what about Ukraine? Can she imitate in her actions the Hamas grouping in Gaza? The Independent journalist believes that this would be “at least strange”, given the Kremlin’s “militaristic attitude”.

The Times newspaper, in turn, advises Russia to treat a shell hit as a “single fatal incident” and not to consider it as a pretext for entering troops into Ukraine. Kiev must find and punish those responsible.

And how do experts react to Ukrainian provocations?

President of the Center for Systems Analysis and Forecasting Rostislav Ischenko said "Free Press"that the projectile is not the first such provocation:

“Kiev calls a random hit of shells on Russian territory. Or ascribes these provocations to the militias. But this list of "accidents" is not exhausted. After all, there was still an unauthorized check-in of the Ukrainian BMP with a violation of the border. Not to mention the excesses when Ukrainian planes and helicopters found themselves in Russian airspace. Any such violation, if desired, can be interpreted as an act of aggression.

From the point of view of the UN Charter, any such action (no matter if the projectile flew or the aircraft) can be considered as “casus belli”. That is, as the basis for the start of the war. The state has the right to protect its sovereignty. Its violation by any military unit of another state can be considered as unprovoked aggression. Of course, in the modern world, no one starts a war because of the arrival of a single BMP or the flight of a single projectile. But when provocations become systemic and people die, sooner or later they have to respond in some way. ”


The expert develops the theme: the one who closes his eyes to provocations will deal with their continuation. As a result of the last incident, one person died and two were injured, and another time twenty people died; the process “will not stop by itself”. The expert proposes "to drive away the Ukrainian troops from the border" - so that Kiev artillery could not "finish off" to Russian territory. According to the analyst, the Ukrainian authorities, acting under the cover of the United States, "initially provoked Russia into a direct military clash." Therefore, they will provoke Moscow "constantly."

In that case, what should the Kremlin do?

“... If the lethal provocations continue, then our authorities simply will not have another way out. When shells explode in your field, you can get off with warnings and use your finger. But if another country starts killing citizens of another state who are on its territory, and the authorities are silent, then its own population asks a fair question - why do we need a government that cannot protect us? ”


Political expert Semyon Bagdasarov echoes the expert. He urges the Russian authorities to abandon the practice of "Chinese warnings."

“... Moscow gets away only with statements by the Foreign Ministry. But really nothing is being done. This only encourages the Ukrainian side to continue to test our patience. We have an army, frontier troops and much more to protect the citizens of the Russian Federation. When among the latter there are dead and wounded, it's time to take tough measures. ”


Bagdasarov proposes to create a buffer zone along the border of New Russia with the Russian Federation. In the demilitarized zone there should be no means for artillery strikes. If heavy armament of the Ukrainian army appears in the zone, it must be destroyed without warning.

“If we do this, it means that we are a great country that can stand up for its interests,” a political analyst told the SP. “Otherwise, the provocations will continue.”

And where will this continuation lead?

Bagdasarov admits that he will reach the sending of reconnaissance and sabotage groups to the territory of Russia. Their goal will be attacks. We must also recall that the Minister of Defense of Ukraine promised to hold a victory parade in Sevastopol. And we must remember that the United States and NATO are behind Kiev.

According to the analyst's opinion, “sooner or later” the Ukrainian authorities will create several strike groups of 50-70 numbers, thousand people. Today, the Ukrainian army is gaining combat experience, equipment is being repaired. Maydanovlast is preparing for a "serious war with Russia," said the analyst. “If we do not strike ahead now,” he says, “the attack will be a matter of time.”

Bagdasarov believes that there is no peace plan for Russian diplomacy:

“There is no peace plan. Honestly, I do not quite understand what our embassy is doing. In particular, Mr. Zurabov, who participates in the clowning under the title “peace plan”. Kiev uses a temporary ceasefire to regroup its forces and pull up military equipment from the neighboring Kharkiv region. There are no peace plans in the head of the Maidan authorities. They are confident that with the support of the West they will crush the resistance of the republics. ”


As for Western sanctions, the political scientist advises Russia not to be afraid of them. On the contrary, you need to act - and "decisively." Otherwise, "one can reach to his own military defeat."

And what about Ukraine?

And she is in no hurry to find and punish the guilty, as the Times has advised her.

On the contrary, she is ready ... for a war with Russia.

13 July became aware of the statement of Zoryan Shkiryak, adviser to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov, which he published on his Facebook page. This person believes that there is a possibility of an open military conflict with the Russian Federation.

“In connection with the recent shameful provocations of the Kremlin on the Ukrainian border, it becomes obvious that we are close to the danger zone - a direct military conflict with the Russian Federation. This is scary, but I think that mentally we are ready for this, "- quotes his text Rosbalt.

Shkiryak is convinced that Russia's aggression against Ukraine began in the Crimea, and now continues in the east of the country.

As for the fear of the “foe”, Shkiryak ordered not to panic: “So, please, everyone: no hysteria, despair and panic! In “FB” and conversations among themselves it is not necessary to demoralize society with negative moods like “everything is lost”. “No doubt, we will overcome the foe!” He concluded.

Meanwhile, Russia, according to information in the media, is considering the possibility of delivering pinpoint strikes on the territory of Ukraine - in response to the shelling of Donetsk in the Rostov region. Pravda.rureferring to Kommersant and its anonymous source, writes that the Russian side "knows exactly where it is being shot from." The unnamed source said that we are talking about targeted point strikes on the positions from which fire is fired on Russian territory.

Thus, if this information is accurate, the Kremlin is preparing for the implementation of the “Israeli” scenario proposed by Yevgeny Bushmin. So that was untapped.

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    1. +91
      15 July 2014 09: 08
      To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression. This is a prerequisite.
      1. +42
        15 July 2014 09: 11
        Quote: professor
        must first place an international observer

        They invited observers from the OSCE, but it is not known whether they will come.
        1. +8
          15 July 2014 09: 21
          Why is it so rude? I think Russia from the beginning exhausts the Kiev junta (they seem like hell), and then it will respond adequately, without warning and dust.
          1. +20
            15 July 2014 09: 52
            Quote: Moment
            and then respond adequately, without warning and dust.

            Peskov already said that this is nonsense hi
            1. +11
              15 July 2014 10: 15
              Hi Sasha hi Good Professor hi
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Peskov already said that this is nonsense hi
              Observers have already been invited to Donetsk (Russia) and Gukovo from the OSCE, and most likely they will not shoot. I think Powder’s choice is not big or to go further to exacerbate and draw Russia into the war or lose all US support and become another victim of the Maidan. In the first case, he has a chance to become a defendant in the Hague tribunal. I would not have climbed to this position in his place. He has great chances to lose everything, including freedom and life.
              1. +16
                15 July 2014 10: 26
                Quote: Canep
                In the first case, he has a chance to become a defendant in the Hague tribunal

                There he will be acquitted!
                1. +2
                  15 July 2014 10: 38
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  There he will be acquitted!

                  Not a fact, if his henchmen make a real bloody bath, then in order to bleach in the eyes of their voters for supporting the Maidan and the Kiev authorities, the European authorities will have to make him a scapegoat.
                  1. +22
                    15 July 2014 11: 35
                    Quote: Canep
                    Not a fact, if his minions arrange a real bloody bath, then to bleach ...


                    Events in Odessa and indifference to what happened on the part of "enlightened Europe" contradict your assumption.
                  2. +2
                    15 July 2014 15: 05
                    Scapegoat will make Russia.
                  3. +7
                    15 July 2014 16: 39
                    Justify. Rather, they will not even judge. Have any Albanian leaders or Croats been tried in The Hague for Yugoslavia?
                  4. go
                    0
                    15 July 2014 22: 35
                    Quote: Canep
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    There he will be acquitted!

                    Not a fact, if his henchmen make a real bloody bath, then in order to bleach in the eyes of their voters for supporting the Maidan and the Kiev authorities, the European authorities will have to make him a scapegoat.


                    Their voters know almost nothing, do not recognize and do not want to know ... and those who know their units. Well, even though RT was done in different languages, it was only necessary not to name Russia Today, but somehow neutral. Russia, Ukraine, etc. for the layman it is something dark, in the woods and far away (although in reality, much closer than it seems). There is actually a big flaw in Russian international organizations and embassies, as in terms of cultural events, very little is being done in comparison with other countries ... they are sitting there behind a fence in embassies ...
                  5. +1
                    16 July 2014 16: 54
                    ETOGES what other massacre needs to be arranged? Bloody ... I don’t understand
                2. 0
                  15 July 2014 15: 41
                  Lifetime!
                3. +3
                  15 July 2014 16: 00
                  Right For a long time, everyone has been aware of the venality of Europe, recalling at least 1938.
                4. +6
                  15 July 2014 18: 10
                  So he needs to be judged not in The Hague, but in Slavyansk or Odessa (after the recognition or accession of Novorossia), even send their own lawyers (the Nazis had lawyers in Nuremberg) hi
              2. +11
                15 July 2014 10: 50
                Quote: Canep
                Powder doesn’t have much choice, or move on to aggravate and draw Russia into the war or lose all US support


                "or lose all US support" - this will not happen, the cowboys driven out just shoot ...
                In his case, it’s even easier - a diabetic coma.
                Knowing this, Weizmann goes into the anal with alcohol ...

                In fact, they have a complete disaster, all the available forces (100 tanks without support) were thrown into hysterics for militia. They survived ...
                Well, that's all kapets ... or a harsh dictatorship with detachments and Sonderkommando ...

                Oh yes, I forgot ... over the past month, 6-7 generals och.fastly became dollar millionaires ... Those who want to say there are still. So a gamble on the Crimea is quite likely ...
                Like, and after us at least a flood ...
              3. DPZ
                +3
                15 July 2014 12: 20
                I would not have climbed to this position in his place
                I kept thinking: where are you going? not enough money for you? lose everything at all! is it really so dumb? after all, he could get rich means not quite!
                1. +6
                  15 July 2014 12: 32
                  Quote: DPZ
                  I would not have climbed to this position in his place

                  ... could simply oblige.
                  Through two factors: cooperation with the CIA and the availability of comp ...
                  1. +2
                    15 July 2014 15: 00
                    Of course there is blackmail of pure water! because he doesn’t keep the tenge in the private bank ...
              4. HAM
                0
                15 July 2014 19: 21
                Only Milosevic had a chance to become a defendant in the Hague Tribunal, and the ukro-government is the most democratic of all democratic democrats, I still wonder how they forgot the fugitive "dictator".
              5. 0
                16 July 2014 00: 51
                “After the use of chemical weapons near Semenovka, I no longer doubt anything. Everything is being done to draw Russia into the war, or, on the contrary, to make sure that Russia will not enter the war ... They “lost their shores” ... there is no honor, no conscience ”, - quotes Igor Strelkov newspaper "Glance".

                Like they ever had
            2. +6
              15 July 2014 10: 45
              His lips say no, and everything else says - YES laughing
            3. +3
              15 July 2014 20: 27
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Moment
              and then respond adequately, without warning and dust.

              Peskov already said that this is nonsense hi

              Yes it is delirium Peskov and said customized!
              In early March, even on camera and foreign. The President of the Russian Federation said that regular troops of the Russian Federation in the Crimea did not block military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, did not control the airport and other important facilities. wink But already today we all know the truth. fellow So ... listen to the talking heads of the Kremlin, but don’t blindly believe them, my advice to you. What do you want, so that some Peskov there would announce that the Russian Federation is going to extinguish firing points of rogul along the border? laughing
              1. 0
                16 July 2014 00: 06
                Why Sands. Let Psaki announce better Mac Kane. belay
          2. +3
            15 July 2014 14: 50
            Quote: Moment
            and then respond adequately, without warning and dust.

            Pour 40 tons of water from the fireman BE200 onto the adversary, for caution, if they are alive, they will be remembered for a long time wink
            1. +2
              15 July 2014 17: 12
              Quote: Locksmith
              Pour 40 tons of water from the firefighter BE200 onto the adversary, for caution, if they remain alive they will be remembered for a long time wink

              TFR will establish the names of Ukrainian commanders who shot at the territory of the Russian Federation using satellite data
              If they do, then the junta will not get out!
              1. -2
                15 July 2014 22: 40
                But do not you think that this was already somewhere “November 26, at 15 hours 45 minutes, our troops, located on the Karelian Isthmus near the border of Finland, near the village of Mainila, were unexpectedly fired from Finnish territory with artillery fire. In total, seven gun shots were fired, as a result of which three privates and one junior commander were killed, seven privates and two from the command staff were wounded. "Soviet troops, having a strict order not to succumb to provocation, refrained from firing back"
                wikipedia.org Soviet-Finnish War (1939-1940)

                Find someone who benefits from this, Ukraine does not look like (they are not suicides), Russia (extra sanctions are not needed), but IMHO militias really, really need it. How to determine from what distance fired 5 km or 4,5 km. And to put a mortar on the line of fire of the Ukrainian battery and to shoot is a nice thing.

                Sincerely.
                1. 0
                  16 July 2014 00: 40
                  With the same success, you can interpret the entry of the BMP and the brothers in time to help. At what they pointed a gun at the border guards and the forces were unequal. Also a violation of airspace and repeatedly. Or do the militias already have their own aviation? This is not beneficial to anyone, but there are direct violations of the border and military incidents, due to the stupidity or inexperience of using weapons. But the Ukrainian authorities do not react to this in any way, because they do not control the situation, and the situation controls them. In this case, we must react ourselves, the United States sent troops to Grenada only on a far-fetched pretext and nothing. Well, they staged a coup, shot a little, think about bombing Grenada or Iraq. Only for the suspicion that weapons of mass destruction are concentrated there, showing the whole world a cone with some white powder.
            2. +3
              15 July 2014 17: 43
              Better liquid feces. Imagine 40 tons .....
              1. Erg
                0
                15 July 2014 19: 33
                Our answer is green wassat
        2. +17
          15 July 2014 09: 24
          Thus, if this information is accurate, the Kremlin is preparing to implement the “Israeli” scenario.


          That's right, it is necessary to respond specifically to Israeli with something particularly killer-disruptive, and you can not trifle with it, and beat at the residences of Svidomo hohlopitek. So it will turn out cheaper than chasing every Galician cattle in the lands of New Russia.
          1. +30
            15 July 2014 09: 30
            According to Israeli, this is a dunk not only firing calculation, but who issued the order.
            1. +11
              15 July 2014 10: 16
              Quote: sergey32
              According to Israeli, this is a dunk not only firing calculation, but who issued the order.


              As well as their homes and all places of potential occurrence.
              1. +18
                15 July 2014 11: 55
                Quote: mamont5
                As well as their homes and all places of potential occurrence.

                I don’t know how in Israel, but I know how ours in the years of the USSR responded to the capture in 1985 to the capture of diplomats. By the way, the conditions of release, and other turbidity from Hezbollah is very similar to the actions of the Ukrainian authorities. (School one)
                But first, the "specialists" who arrived, with the assistance of the Security Service of the Druze PSP (Progressive Socialist Party), captured two relatives of I. Mua'nia's closest aides. A few days later, the body of one of them with a slit throat and his own genitals in his mouth was found at the entrance to his house. With the killed there was a note with a warning, according to which the second relative would suffer the same fate if the Soviet hostages were not immediately released. At the same time, the PSP militants liquidated the brother of I. Mua'niya's deputy, H. Salame. As a result of massive psychological pressure on the leadership of the MDI a month after the seizure, Soviet diplomats were at large. On the evening of October 30, 1985, a border guard on duty at the main entrance to the USSR embassy in Beirut peered at television screens reflecting the approaches to the Soviet diplomatic mission. Three bearded strangers rang insistently at the door. They were not immediately recognized - the former hostages Valery Myrikov, Nikolai Svirsky and Oleg Spirin. On the eve they were brought blindfolded. The abductors demanded not to remove the bandages until the noise of the driving away car died down. When the roar of the engine died down, they removed the wide towels from their eyes and, seeing the embassy in front of them, rushed towards it.

                The return of the hostages seemed to be saluted by the whole of Beirut. Such a shot was fired into the air that local television on this occasion was forced to give an explanation that this was not another military operation, but a demonstration of joy in connection with the release of Soviet diplomats.
                Something like this.
              2. +18
                15 July 2014 12: 05
                Quote: Sakhalininets
                That's right, it is necessary for the Israeli ...

                Quote: sergey32

                According to Israeli, this is a dunk not only ...

                Quote: mamont5
                As well as their homes ...


                Yes, our Israeli leaders cannot. Sorry, the gut is thin.
                Israel is a country constantly fighting, with the political system and population imprisoned for survival surrounded by deadly enemies. The leadership of Israel - as a rule, former warriors, real, special forces and all that.
                We have in power a former "jacket" from the KGB, who is used to doing everything quietly, under the carpet, and even in the KGB has not achieved much success. Its strong point is foreign trade activities and maintaining a balance between liberal oligarchs and pseudo-state security officials.
                Not a warrior OH.
                In addition, the environment - majors and thieves.
                What is the answer in Israeli?
                Ours are somehow in a tyhara, behind the curtains, so that no one would guess. And what is already firing at us, because it’s at us, and not at them.
                Deputies and others can make noise as much as they like. As long as there is no threat to the material interests of those in power, there will be no "Israeli" response.
                1. 0
                  15 July 2014 12: 35
                  in my opinion your nickname in front lacks the "NOT" prefix !!!
                  1. +8
                    15 July 2014 12: 53
                    Quote: maxxdesign
                    in my opinion your nickname in front lacks the "NOT" prefix !!!


                    In my opinion, MY nickname is NOT YOUR business.
                    In essence, can you object to the comment?
                    Can you justify your objections?
                    No?
                    Bye Bye!
                2. +2
                  15 July 2014 14: 34
                  Quote: Normal
                  Yes, our Israeli leaders cannot. Sorry, the gut is thin.

                  But who knows, how can they?
                  It seems that they act quite cunningly.
                  Look, now the militia has heavy weapons: tanks, howitzers, "grads" and it successfully defends itself against the regular army of a by no means small country. And this way it passed in a little over 2 months. And it started with baseball bats.
                  Thus, in public, the GDP will continue to portray an innocently suffering righteous man who is offended by evil Ukrainians, and on the sidelines, so to speak, will betray weapons and material values.
                  ICCH to reveal his game is unlikely anyone will succeed.
                  1. +3
                    15 July 2014 18: 14
                    We know how they can (we chose them). And we already see that they were hardly mistaken.
                    In politics, they act in different ways, but no one has succeeded "at all in a cunning manner." Even more so in war. For some of us, Stalin lured Hitler into the depths of Russia in 1941, and Kutuzov Napoleon in 1812 ...
                    Why do you believe everything that you read. What the hell are heavy weapons in the militia? He was lucky that the "by no means small country" does not have any regular army. There and planes, then maybe no one especially does not shoot down - they themselves fall (here I am not about the fact that in Donbass real men and women do not fight with reptiles, but about your naive conviction that these people are seriously (but quietly) supplied something serious (such a sad tautology)).
                    In my opinion, our authorities have no idea what to do next in this situation, while remaining silent, and stubbornly pretend that this is some kind of wise calculation that not everyone sees, while fully realizing that everything is already moving all sorts of decency. This indirectly speaks in favor of the fact that Crimea itself joined Russia, ours only adopted an abstruse look, but at the same time the GDP (most likely in the state of affect) made a number of speeches, which some people did not understand somewhat. Then came the Donbass nightmare ...
                    As Saint-Exupery wrote, we are responsible for those we have tamed. I'm not talking about you and me now, but about Putin. Intoxicated by the unexpected success of the "Crimean company", he caused a war in the neighboring regions. Moreover, in all cases, Russia, as it turned out, there is nothing to catch there (I'm not talking about the fact that we can't cope with the Ukrainians (although with such a leadership ?, but they are even better), but about what actually followed Putin in Donbass 5-6 percent of the population, which he already knew in May (reported), why he offered Donetsk not to hold a referendum, but it was already too late (sow the wind - reap the storm)).
                    And what to do with this storm, even forgetting that it gave birth to it, our authorities do not know. They have no determination to organize a massacre, and a hundred years ago the authorities had a similar determination - the First World War came out. Therefore, the mind may have increased in power. But conscience is definitely not.
                    1. 0
                      16 July 2014 09: 49
                      Quote: uwzek
                      but about your conviction, naive at that. that these people are seriously (but quietly) supplied with something serious

                      Well, naive or not, you certainly know better from the outside, here I will not argue.
                      Let's look at what is in the public domain (personally, neither Putin nor Strelkov reports to me):
                      There are video and photos about the Grad fire raid on the Ukrainian Armed Forces convoy, there are reports of repelling the attack of Ukrainian armored vehicles on Lugansk using BS-3 and Rapier, there are reports of howitzer firing by the militia from Saur-Mogila of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, a video with the advance of an armored vehicle there are connections at the position in Lugansk. Do I have glitches and I saw all this in my imagination? For example, you have not seen these materials here on the site? Or is it not heavy weapons?
                      In addition, let me note that for the successful use of technology (and the facts speak for themselves), specialists and supplies are needed, moreover, established and uninterrupted.
                      Of course, I can admit for a moment that, quite by accident, combat-ready equipment with ammunition stood in the forest and waited for the militia to adapt it to the case.
                      All the more than 2 months of fighting. And during this time, neither the Ukrainians put it out of action, nor the local peasants turned it into scrap metal.
                      But I don’t believe in the formation of a combat-ready formation exclusively from local volunteers. Yes, and the facts are stubborn, and they say that the International is fighting there now. With a capital letter.
                      Well, as for the plans, I already presented you my vision of the situation. Most likely, with the help of the Novorossiysk Armed Forces with Russian tacit help, the GDP will wipe out the entire former territory of the Russian Empire. Well, maybe it will add a bit more to it. As you rightly noted, it has no conscience absolutely. Yes, in this particular case, it is superfluous.
                      About a hundred years, you also absolutely definitely noted. Enough time to learn a lot. Yes and GDP is a master of asymmetric answers.
                      Something like this. Let's wait and see, but in any case, thanks for the polemic. hi
                3. +1
                  15 July 2014 15: 05
                  I support! in Israel, as they are called hawks, here ...... just feathered.
            2. mazhnikof.Niko
              +11
              15 July 2014 10: 32
              Quote: sergey32
              according to Israeli, it is to dunk not only the firing squad, but the one who issued the order.


              That's right, it is important to destroy not so much the executors as the ideologists of the criminal orders. Israel knows this, and they give it a shit about the "social closeness" of the Palestinian "oligarchs" - they "wet", "wet" because their citizens are closer and dearer than the Palestinian RICHES of Hamas. Maybe this is the problem ?! Maybe we should remember that the Russians SHOULD be closer - the Kalomoys!
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          2. +2
            15 July 2014 09: 59
            Quote: Sakhalininets
            That's right, it is necessary in Israeli

            tonight
            publication time: 08: 19
            last update: 08: 19

            Syrian media claim that in response to rocket attacks on the Israeli part of the Golan Heights, the IDF attacked the barracks of the 90th brigade of the Syrian army, the home of the mayor of the town of Ba'ath, and several other facilities in the Kuneitra region.

            According to these reports, 12 soldiers were killed and several others were injured. In addition, several government buildings were damaged.

            As previously reported, yesterday at about 18:00 the territory of the Golan Heights came under fire from Syria. Two Katyusha rockets were fired at Israeli territory. One of the missiles exploded near the village, causing a fire, the second - in undeveloped areas. As a result of the shelling, no one was injured.

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          4. -6
            15 July 2014 15: 48
            Yes, send the Ka-29 squadron to Ukraine. And just kill everyone involved.
            1. +5
              15 July 2014 17: 43
              Quote: Basarev
              Yes Ka-29 squadron send to Ukraine.

              Shaw for the ships? wassat
          5. +1
            15 July 2014 21: 06
            Not so simple. At Izvarino, dill began to shell the border crossing, and with it the Russian territory from the private housing sector.
            And before that, yes, they covered everything wrong with artillery and guards from a distance.
            Now we have to think about ours, how not to harm the peaceful.
          6. +1
            15 July 2014 22: 42
            Judging by the comments, we can say that the majority are for active actions. Maybe it's worth a population survey? This removes responsibility from the government ... the will of the people was simply fulfilled.
        3. Natalia
          +34
          15 July 2014 09: 52
          The answer for Israel involves a set of measures that should include:
          1. Placing S-400 complexes (following the example of the Israeli dome) for the destruction of "Crazy" shells on the approach, so that they do not annoy the citizens of the Russian Federation, and do not crush "cucumbers in the beds."
          2. Ensuring a no-fly zone (as we all know, Israel does not allow Palestinian fighters to fly, and even more so deploy over its territory .... what? Palestine has no fighters? Well, maybe that's not wink )
          3. Artillery, probably a lot of things from 2C1 to 2C19 are applicable here, to fire at the positions of Ukrainian security forces from our territory.
          4. Air support, in Israel it is AH-64D Apache, and we have Mi-28 no less (after all, we are talking about retaliatory measures in Israeli, and if so, then everything should be at the level).
          5. Su-34, jamming Ukrainian radars and precisely destroy the position of air defense, as the 34th is ideal for these purposes. (Israel has either F-16 there, but more often for such purposes there are UAVs)

          Well, see what happens:
          Everyone says: ".... there will be a big war! A big war! A guard!"
          The Ukrainian side of the T-64 tanks has approximately 300 units left.
          APCs on which the National Guard rides around 500 units. Of the Su-25 aircraft, the state of which was assessed as satisfactory was approximately 30 units, and this was at the beginning of the ATO, therefore they were partially hurt. Artillery is basically Acacia about 350-400 units.
          And this is in the entire Ukrainian army. A couple of columns on the march if the turntables are digested, they will stupidly have nothing to fight. Two point strikes at the places of deployment, there will be nothing to surround Donetsk.

          +6. You can also apply, PLUS, something that Israel does not have, Iskander-M.
          1. +16
            15 July 2014 10: 29
            Quote: Natalia
            The answer for Israel involves a set of measures that should include:

            Hi Natasha, before something like this happens, the employees of our embassy will be taken out of Kiev, and the population will be taken out of the border villages. If this is not done, then there will be no blows in the near future hi
            1. Natalia
              +9
              15 July 2014 10: 42
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Hi Natasha, before something like this happens, the employees of our embassy will be taken out of Kiev, and the population will be taken out of the border villages. If this is not done, then there will be no blows in the near future

              Hi!
              ) ..... Well, I don’t know, I don’t know, in Georgia we exported our diplomats after the fact. They weren’t even taken out, but they themselves, calmly packed up and left. Then they simply formalized the gap in diplomatic relations.

              And then, I do not insist that this will happen tomorrow ...... I basically. About the Israeli version, so to speak. By the way a good option, I would like to see it wink )
              1. +6
                15 July 2014 10: 53
                Quote: Natalia
                I'd like to see it

                You are still bloodthirsty lol
              2. +15
                15 July 2014 11: 58
                Well, I would leave Zurabov. Let them suffer for their homeland.
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            3. +6
              15 July 2014 11: 23
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              If this is not done, then there will be no blows in the near future

              I do not agree. We have no tradition to export the population, but it is better to leave the embassy there. Zurabov will be more "useful" if his friend ...
              1. +7
                15 July 2014 11: 44
                Quote: 97110
                We have no tradition to export the population

                but why, there are enough Russians (according to the passport) in Ukraine even now (not everyone has left and not everyone wants or can leave)
                and even the Bank of Russia still feels rather well (like other Russian firms)
                The war of the Russian Federation and Ukraine is an interesting business in which the business continues to trade even with the mortal hatred of the two peoples ...
                1. 0
                  15 July 2014 23: 03
                  I think that where there is a certain population there is always a demand, which means that there will also be a supply. If, due to sanctions, some leave, others will come and fill an empty niche.
              2. +3
                15 July 2014 12: 00
                Quote: 97110
                We have no tradition to export the population

                You alone did not notice a change in the country.
          2. mazhnikof.Niko
            +8
            15 July 2014 10: 49
            Quote: Natalia
            The answer for Israel involves a set of measures that should include:


            Yes, but in Russian .... In addition to the "complex of measures", we will also talk about the "cunning plan", add the reasoning that the Russians are harnessing for a long time ... but as we go, wow - all hold on. Then, our "government" (?) Will wipe his eyes, And there is nowhere to beat and there is no need ... because LATE!
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          4. GHG
            GHG
            +15
            15 July 2014 10: 50
            1. Placing S-400 complexes (following the example of the Israeli dome) for the destruction of "Crazy" shells on the approach, so that they do not annoy the citizens of the Russian Federation, and do not crush "cucumbers in the beds."


            S-400 for catching shells? It's just fantastic, the S-400 for shooting down such targets is also sharpened like the iron dome to intercept maneuvering aerodynamic and ballistic targets at high speed. Yes and too expensive. It’s easier to place several “Zoo-1” along the border and standby batteries artillery systems for suppressing firing points identified by the same zoo.
            1. +10
              15 July 2014 16: 56
              Quote: GES
              1. Placing S-400 complexes (following the example of the Israeli dome) for the destruction of "Crazy" shells on the approach, so that they do not annoy the citizens of the Russian Federation, and do not crush "cucumbers in the beds."


              S-400 for catching shells? It's just fantastic, the S-400 for shooting down such targets is also sharpened like the iron dome to intercept maneuvering aerodynamic and ballistic targets at high speed. Yes and too expensive. It’s easier to place several “Zoo-1” along the border and standby batteries artillery systems for suppressing firing points identified by the same zoo.


              new emblem of the air force of dill

            2. 0
              15 July 2014 17: 26
              Yes, he wrote about the S-400 because he knows nothing more.
            3. -1
              16 July 2014 01: 24
              Of course, it’s interesting about the S-400 and S-300. I can shoot down missiles. I’ve come up with it. I’ve been collecting these toys for 12 years already. I know everything about them. But that’s what would destroy the shells of them .. It’s said, of course, tomorrow at work colleagues have fun.
          5. +6
            15 July 2014 11: 10
            About S-400 strongly =) for these purposes, the Tunguska and shells will come down. Well, just in case you can still put a couple of S-300 or 350. But 400 on the border with Ukraine is nonsense, in Cuba they would be in the subject, but here they are not needed.
            1. Natalia
              +1
              15 July 2014 12: 08
              Quote: Bkmz
              for these purposes, the tungusks and shells will come down.

              ..... I’ll tell you a secret, as in a training exercise somewhere near Nizhny, C-1 Shell, was supposed to hit a target ......... so .... okay, I’ll write to the lich. winked
              Quote: Bkmz
              in Cuba they would be in the subject, but here they are not needed.

              And in Cuba, they also have nothing to do, if the current Cuba itself is defended. And for the interception of ICBMs, even at the initial stage, the range is not enough. In the United States, mine-based missiles are mainly in North Dakota.
              And the whole main arsenal on the submarine. A nuclear submarine in the ocean, and the Pacific Ocean, or the Arctic ... perhaps Indian (more precisely, not possible, but it is).
              Cuba, this work is already for the promising S-500. winked
          6. +8
            15 July 2014 11: 35
            Quote: Natalia
            Placement of S-400 complexes (following the example of the Israeli dome) for the destruction of "Crazy" shells on the way,

            With all due respect to your military erudition, this system is not intended for intercepting shells. Such a system (intercepting shells) does not yet exist in our nature
            1. Natalia
              +2
              15 July 2014 12: 21
              Quote: Pilat2009
              With all due respect to your military erudition, this system is not intended for intercepting shells. Such a system (intercepting shells) does not yet exist in our nature

              yes no .... most likely it is possible, but that is not the point. Comrades are right, it will be a little expensive, for each acacia shell one rocket ...... winked
              no, it won’t ....
          7. +4
            15 July 2014 12: 24
            Quote: Natalia
            ... so that they do not annoy the citizens of the Russian Federation, and do not crumple "cucumbers in the beds".

            Further, it was possible not to list the options and means of responding to the shelling of the territory of the Russian Federation.
            If for the Power and the pro-government loyal subjects, the dead and wounded citizens of the Russian Federation are just crumpled "cucumbers in the beds", then what kind of answer are we talking about?
          8. +4
            15 July 2014 12: 28
            Quote: Natalia
            1. Placing S-400 complexes (following the example of the Israeli dome) for the destruction of "Crazy" shells on the way,

            With the help of S-400 shells intercept? Well, let's ... God help you!
          9. +5
            15 July 2014 12: 52
            As the saying goes: RUSSIA is a Bountiful SOUL !.
            The cost of the cheapest missile for the S-300/400 - $ 40
            Mortar shell - about 1000 rubles.
            The ratio, to put it mildly, is not in favor of shooting at "stray" shells.
            On the sparrows from the gun.
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          11. lars
            +2
            15 July 2014 14: 12
            The S-400 does not "work" to intercept artillery shells.
          12. 0
            15 July 2014 21: 17
            S-400 missile on an artillery shell? Dear pleasure !!! And what is characteristic is not effective!
        4. +5
          15 July 2014 09: 55
          Quote: GRAY
          They invited observers from the OSCE, but it is not known whether they will come.

          Already collected, and additional information:
          Russia invited military attaches from 18 countries to the border with Ukraine
        5. +9
          15 July 2014 09: 59
          Quote: GRAY
          They invited observers from the OSCE, but it is not known whether they will come.

          The act of aggression can be shown by the example of checkpoints damaged by fire from that side. And you just need to shoot down stray ukrolitaki, but you can honestly say that they shot down a flyer from the territory of Russia on the basis of airspace monitoring data.
        6. +16
          15 July 2014 10: 01
          Quote: GRAY
          They invited observers from the OSCE, but it is not known whether they will come.
          And even if they do come, it is not a fact that for Russia they will not become like the three symbols of Buddhist non-resistance to evil ... "I see nothing, I don't hear anything, I won't say anything to anyone."
        7. jonh
          0
          15 July 2014 12: 24
          only need to negotiate to the end. observers will be deployed subject to a ceasefire. until then, Russia has not agreed to receive observers. and speculation will come or not come lightly
        8. +5
          15 July 2014 12: 37
          BLAH BLAH BLAH!!! POSSIBLE-ANSWER-SPOTLY ......... So far, here are such pictures as at the beginning of the article I will not see, I will not believe !!!
        9. +5
          15 July 2014 14: 41
          Quote: GRAY
          They invited observers from the OSCE, but it is not known whether they will come.


          Not yet. Included formal excuses just not to go.

          Last week, Moscow proposed to expand the activities of observers with the support of the OSCE at the points of Donetsk and Gukovo. However, then, as stated by the head of the OSCE monitoring mission in Ukraine, Ertogryul Apakan, the mission’s mandate did not allow it to carry out its activities in Russia - only in Ukraine. To observe the border from the Russian side, it was necessary to clarify or supplement the mandate.

          link
          1. +3
            15 July 2014 18: 35
            They showed already arrived at the drawer, looking at holes from shells in the huts.
        10. +1
          15 July 2014 16: 00
          They may come and come, but what they then write in the reports, Also another question ((
        11. +1
          16 July 2014 00: 21
          Today, 15,07,2014 arrived, on the border of Izvarino-Donetsk, evaluated
        12. 0
          16 July 2014 00: 26
          Already there were, however, a delegation of military ataches, through news channels showed that it remains to show will and to act as with the Hamas Israelis.
        13. 0
          16 July 2014 15: 45
          And those observers who do not want to be stationed should be captured on neutral territory and "help" to settle in the indicated area.
      2. +8
        15 July 2014 09: 15
        And how do you place them there? They either do not ride. Or in advance with herpes and closing my eyes
        1. +7
          15 July 2014 09: 39
          When the shell explodes nearby ... and the ear plugs fly out and the eyes bulge ...
        2. mazhnikof.Niko
          +6
          15 July 2014 11: 00
          Quote: DEZINTO
          They either do not ride. Or in advance with herpes and closing my eyes


          If the UN "commissars" report on refugees to Russia, PSAK is smiling sweetly and impudently, I do not "believe"! Then why invite, wait for the OSCE report? To hear: "We trust (?) The Ukrainian authorities more" Very stupid, in my opinion!
      3. +5
        15 July 2014 09: 19
        Russia will answer Ukraine in Russian and already does it. Only air does not shake in vain. Yesterday AN confirms this.
        1. +36
          15 July 2014 09: 23
          Yesterday, AN brought down our man.

          Ukrainian SBU already knows who estessno.
          1. +7
            15 July 2014 10: 05
            It won't work, "he" has an alibi ..
            1. +5
              15 July 2014 11: 51
              It won't work, "he" has an alibi ..
              It’s easy to ride ukrov, they’ll say that the clone is running. laughing
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            3. +2
              15 July 2014 12: 00
              It was a sniper shot !!! Not everyone is given !!!
          2. wanderer_032
            0
            16 July 2014 07: 46
            Quote: DEZINTO
            Yesterday, AN brought down our man.


            Nothing like this. He himself fell apart from overload and old age. laughing
      4. Bombardier
        +5
        15 July 2014 09: 21
        In the best case: I don’t see anything or hear anything. And so I think they will not come or will be pulled to the last. But you plus professor.
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      5. +5
        15 July 2014 09: 25
        Good afternoon professor, and you have international observers on the entire border
        It seems like they already agreed to place the OSCE observers, though they immediately stated that they want to use drones for monitoring, and your observers also use drones to monitor monitoring the situation at the border.
        1. 0
          15 July 2014 09: 56
          Good afternoon professor, and you have international observers on the entire border.

          There are in the same Gaza only representatives of the UNRA about 30 thousand.

          Dear professor, is it someone who said that this is a necessary condition?

          I said. Otherwise, do not prove who first shot, and who responds to aggression.

          So all the activities of these "observers" will be like "I cannot hear you because I cannot see." George Walker Bush.

          Observers in the Golan EMNIP from Austria and the Philippines, in Lebanon from India. You may also come from independent countries such as Burkina Faso.
          1. +1
            15 July 2014 10: 03
            and UAVs for control they use
          2. +12
            15 July 2014 10: 06
            [quote] Dear professor, is this someone who said that this is a necessary condition? [/ quote]
            I said. Otherwise, do not prove who first shot, and who responds to aggression. [/ Quote]
            With all due respect, I don’t remember Israel’s titanic efforts to prove anything. They simply declare someone to blame and retaliate. This is normal? Remind me about "Black September"? What international laws did you follow then? Or what is permissible for the sons of Israel is not permissible for the goyim?
            Regarding - "I said", a lot of things can be rhymed, but I will not.
            1. +1
              15 July 2014 15: 30
              Quote: Che Burashka
              Just declare someone guilty and strike back

              And who can shoot there besides Israel and the terrorists?
              But something tightly reaches the brains (Arabs) that as a result their own population suffers. Oh yes, there is the Holy War
          3. +6
            15 July 2014 10: 52
            Quote: professor
            Gaza only representatives of the UNRA about 30 thousand.

            This is a joke?
            1. +1
              15 July 2014 11: 39
              Quote: ultra
              This is a joke?

              Do I look like a joker?
              http://www.unrwa.org/who-we-are

              UNRWA has over 30,000 employees
          4. +2
            15 July 2014 14: 26
            Quote: professor
            You may also come from independent countries such as Burkina Faso.

            then from Cuba, Venezuela, Syria and the DPRK, and everyone should have counter-sabotage and sabotage specialties ... wassat
          5. +1
            15 July 2014 18: 39
            Having fun, dear, you still recommend cannibals from the Ivory Coast to observers.
      6. +8
        15 July 2014 09: 31
        Quote: professor
        To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression. This is a prerequisite.

        Dear professor, who said that this is a necessary condition? Are they not Western "friends" of Russia? An act of violence was committed against the territory of the Russian Federation and the citizens of the Russian Federation, and Russia has all legal grounds to respond to this act. So, as the leadership of the Russian Federation deems it necessary. What answer it will be and when is not up to you or the West to decide.
        If, however, sworn friends of Russia are not happy with something ... I’m very worried crying
        Russia has not closed its doors to anyone, on the contrary, it has always invited - come, look, draw conclusions. They do not go, apparently they are afraid of the truth. Therefore, we will act based on our own interests. Actually, this is exactly what Israel, the United States, the European Union and other "partners" are doing. hi
        1. jonh
          +2
          15 July 2014 12: 29
          for such an answer, it is necessary to have precisely the facts to whom these shells belong. and if we defend ourselves and blame only Ukraine without facts, then we get exactly the situation when Russia is accused of aggression, and you can’t prove to anyone that these attacks were an act of aggression from Ukraine. and above it is very well understood
      7. +3
        15 July 2014 09: 35
        Is Palestine a state that would comply with the UN provision on the "definition of aggression"?
        "... g) the sending by or on behalf of the state of armed bands, groups, irregular forces or mercenaries who carry out acts of the use of armed force against another state, which are of such a serious nature that it is tantamount to the acts listed above, or his significant participation in them ... "
        other paragraphs speak about the aggressor state's ARMY, not about "unidentified groups".
        http://www.un.org/ru/documents/decl_conv/conventions/aggression.shtml
      8. +3
        15 July 2014 09: 37
        Quote: professor
        To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression. This is a prerequisite.

        So all the activities of these "observers" will be like "I cannot hear you because I cannot see." George Walker Bush.
      9. +7
        15 July 2014 09: 51
        Quote: professor
        To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression.

        Oleg, what are you talking about? They should not be invited there, they need to be driven in. They themselves do not really want to go there.
        Well, even if in your opinion, Psaki, dear Psaki .... he doubts the professionalism of the OSCE staff, who said that it was a blow to Lugansk from an airplane.
        She strongly doubts the UN estimates of refugees in Russia.
        Any other suggestions?
        1. +3
          15 July 2014 10: 07
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Any other suggestions?

          Full. Why OSCE? In Israeli, so in Israeli. Convene the UN Security Council and decide on the sending of observers, for refusing and sabotaging the sanctions. However, this is a double-edged sword. Observers, of course, they will record where the missiles are flying from, but they will not leave unnoticed how the "militiamen" and equipment enter Ukraine from the territory of a neighboring state.
          1. +7
            15 July 2014 10: 34
            Quote: professor
            . Convene the UN Security Council and decide on the direction of observers for the refusal and sabotage of sanctions

            Who are the sanctions?
            Quote: professor
            Observers, of course, they will fix where the missiles fly from,

            They’ll be useless if Kiev says brazenly that militiamen are firing at cities, and Kiev will say by shelling that they’re shooting at Russia.
            Like water off a duck's back.
          2. +2
            15 July 2014 11: 30
            Quote: professor
            Convene the UN Security Council and decide on the direction of observers for the refusal and sabotage of sanctions.

            You have the Security Council as a planning meeting. The boss said, "Call a meeting and decide ..."
          3. 0
            15 July 2014 11: 30
            Quote: professor
            Convene the UN Security Council and decide on the direction of observers for the refusal and sabotage of sanctions.

            You have the Security Council as a planning meeting. The boss said, "Call a meeting and decide ..."
        2. +1
          15 July 2014 14: 58
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          oh dear psaki


          Hello Sasha ! Remembered Psaki laughing

      10. +6
        15 July 2014 10: 13
        The fact that 100 junta tanks could not enter Lugansk is the answer.
        A downed transporter at the border - he too.
        Comparison with Israel is incorrect. Israel is fighting with autonomy. And here we are talking about interstate conflict.
        And now I ask you to look at such a guess about misses:
        1) Fascists cattle and geeks, but not so simple.
        2) Dill uses gps - and Americans especially often include distortion in the area of ​​such fights. Because it shoots dill in the dugout, but Americans need a dwelling house and dill with their hands - this helps with positioning errors on the ground. .Yes, the majority are specially shitting - but those who don’t really want this, are also forced to play according to American rules.
        3) The militia uses GLONAS - therefore they do not want to smear and do not miss, because the positioning is accurate.
        I am a humanist, I ask more intelligent people to think about my speculation.
        1. 0
          16 July 2014 00: 28
          By the way, I recently read that a Mexican helicopter recently shot an Amerov outpost from a machine gun and that the Americans didn’t miss Mexican Mexicans.
        2. 0
          16 July 2014 00: 34
          A Mexican military helicopter violated US airspace and fired at American border guards in Arizona. He then turned around and flew back towards Mexico, local TV channel KVOA News 4 reported.

          “The incident occurred early in the morning. The helicopter flew into the United States and began shelling two border guards near San Miguel Gate, ”said Art del Cueto, a spokesman for the border guard.

          No one was injured in the incident. Mexican authorities apologized for the incident and promised to investigate.

          Similar incidents are not uncommon on the US-Mexico border. Mexican border officials regularly cross the border. According to the US Department of Homeland Security, over the past six months, about 500 of such cases have been recorded, 131 of Mexican border guards were detained by American colleagues.

          In 2006, the United States decided to build a special barrier on the Mexican border due to the influx of refugees. Construction was completed three years later, the construction stretches a thousand kilometers, which is almost a third of the entire border between the United States and Mexico. American congressmen have repeatedly raised the issue of continuing the construction of the barrier. Http://lenta.ru/news/2014/06/27/helicopter
        3. 0
          16 July 2014 05: 32
          Guidance of artillery on the coordinates of the global positioning system is impossible (except for special shells like Excalibur). The error will be beyond criticism. Although dill and shoot horseradish understand where
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        1. +1
          15 July 2014 10: 26
          Quote: Kubatai
          I apologize, but are you there on your "holy" land every time you invite missions .. or can you immediately respond with rockets to shelling .. not?

          Missions there on an ongoing basis and there is no need to invite them.
      12. +2
        15 July 2014 10: 25
        Well, like, the Accountant agreed ... so, apparently, a matter of time
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        2. 0
          15 July 2014 13: 56
          Quote: Silkway0026
          Well, it seems like the Accountant agreed ...




          Not "Accountant", not "Combination", but Burkhalter.

          In vain about the Swiss think badly. smile



      13. +8
        15 July 2014 10: 40
        You can also invite international observers from: China, Syria, Cuba, North Korea, Iran. Since this is a necessary condition.
        1. +1
          15 July 2014 11: 15
          But who will listen to the observers from these countries? What are you speaking about??? who tries their opinion and the opinion of some quilted jackets? Who ordered all this banquet? USA! So they will decide who is right and who is not .. All this is empty until there is real work, and this is not only a database, but as the professor noted, sanctions are also needed, and this is the withdrawal of all money from hoholloigarchs, the arrest for domestic goods, the deportation of Gaster to independent and a number of other measures. Anything done from this list? No! So pathetic attempts ..
          1. +3
            15 July 2014 12: 47
            This is a trump card in a diplomatic and information war. But Russia needs to learn for a long time not to pay attention to public opinion when doing its job — that’s how Israel is. Yesterday he again bombed Syria, an act of aggression and not what, silence or, at best, an admission that this is not us !!!
      14. +2
        15 July 2014 10: 49
        And what are the observers between Gaza and Israel?
      15. +2
        15 July 2014 11: 00
        Yes, yes, let another one follow the shuller ... but from the same gang, the experience of Israel will not help here alas. Whoever dines with the girl dances her .. And we all know where we got international observers from ..
      16. +3
        15 July 2014 11: 46
        Quote: professor
        To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression. This is a prerequisite.


        Rather, for this you have to be Israel ...

        In the case of the Russian Federation, regardless of what observers see, which by the way are being deployed right now, from 18 countries including the US ... so even if shells from Ukraine fall on the observer mission, the USA will say that the Novorossiysk militias fired personally Girkin.

        So that it is possible to calmly iron law-breakers, without taking into account the opinion of the mission of observers, because the opinion will always not be in favor of the Russian Federation.
        1. 0
          15 July 2014 12: 14
          Quote: Geisenberg
          So that it is possible to calmly iron law-breakers, without taking into account the opinion of the mission of observers, because the opinion will always not be in favor of the Russian Federation.

          You can’t calmly. They will haul in international vessels, freeze accounts, seize property, impose sanctions, etc. If you want to live like in North Korea, then there is nothing to fear, and if not, you will have to play by the rules of the game ...
          1. 0
            15 July 2014 12: 34
            You God-chosen people, for rolled neighboring countries, only a finger grab.
            But on far-fetched accusations, without proof, sanctions roll in sickly to us.
            1. 0
              15 July 2014 12: 47
              Quote: gecko
              You God-chosen people, for rolled neighboring countries, only a finger grab.
              But on far-fetched accusations, without proof, sanctions roll in sickly to us.

              According to the IDF, for the same period (apparently, data from July 7, when intensive rocket attacks on Israeli territory resumed) are taken into account over 1.100 rockets fired from Gaza, of which over 800 exploded on Israeli territory, more than 200 missiles were shot down by the Iron Dome missile defense system, the rest fell on the territory of the Gaza Strip. 24 Israelis were injured as a result of shelling, no deaths.

              During the operation, the IDF, in accordance with international agreements, despite ongoing shelling, provided access to Gaza for about 260 trucks delivering more than 4.400 tons of food, 900 tons of liquefied gas, about 3,2 million liters of diesel fuel, about 500 thousand liters of gasoline . In addition, more than 500 donations of blood were donated to hospitals in Gaza.
              1. +2
                15 July 2014 14: 33
                Quote: professor
                During the operation, the IDF, in accordance with international agreements, despite ongoing shelling, provided access to Gaza for about 260 trucks delivering more than 4.400 tons of food, 900 tons of liquefied gas, about 3,2 million liters of diesel fuel, about 500 thousand liters of gasoline . In addition, more than 500 donations of blood were donated to hospitals in Gaza. [/ I]


                Weird! Why is this Ukraine does not send food to Novorossia ??! I’m silent about gas and blood ...
              2. +1
                15 July 2014 15: 37
                Quote: professor
                more than 1.100 missiles, of which over 800 exploded in Israeli territory, more than 200 missiles were shot down by missile defense

                The percentage of defeat is small
          2. +2
            15 July 2014 14: 30
            Quote: professor
            Quote: Geisenberg
            So that it is possible to calmly iron law-breakers, without taking into account the opinion of the mission of observers, because the opinion will always not be in favor of the Russian Federation.

            You can’t calmly. They will haul in international vessels, freeze accounts, seize property, impose sanctions, etc. If you want to live like in North Korea, then there is nothing to fear, and if not, you will have to play by the rules of the game ...


            Ok, I agree. You need to shoot with deep concern that the projectile will not hit the target. The result does not change.

            Again, regardless of the emotions and the abolished law-enforcers (or lack thereof), Benya Kalomoysky sues, the country does not pay for the selected gas, Russian citizens are illegally arrested in third countries and taken to the territory controlled by the United States. Well, that’s nothing to be afraid of ... everything is already in stock

            Personally, it’s deeply violet to me whether the accounts of the next embezzler are frozen or seized on his property. If this happens, then some may lose a little, for example, a Ford assembly plant, or whatever kind of food service there is like McDonald's ...

            I clearly see that everything you have listed is already happening, and without destroying the terrorists who terrorize Russian cities from the territory of Ukraine.

            Touch me I would already begin to establish a no-fly zone over the border areas. And then you can calmly deal with the destruction of law enforcement officers ... According to Avakov, the Russian Federation is already doing this, so why not really?
      17. +6
        15 July 2014 12: 34
        Many remember Inga Avdeeva, a young activist of the Resistance, known on the Web as Alice Censkaya.
        She did not engage in "tough" wrestling.
        She just expressed on the web everything she thought about the junta and punitive operations.
        For which she was arrested.
        Despite the apparent pregnancy.
        Without a warrant, of course, but still not by Sonderkommands, but by the SBU.
        That is, with good chances to survive.

        And so...

        According to her parents and a lawyer, everyday tortures (deprivation of sleep, walking and water, beating with legs, sticks and a whip), despite the bulging stomach, led to the abortion bleeding last night with heavy bleeding. At the moment, thank God and thanks to the doctors, it is stopped and the life of a young woman, it seems, is not a direct threat, but whether she can ever become a mother is unknown.

        However, this Ruin does not care, rather even pleases.
        As one of the Gestapo investigators joked about this, "We do not need extra Colorado."
        http://putnik1.livejournal.com...
      18. ed65b
        +2
        15 July 2014 12: 38
        Do you have observers sitting along the entire border? And if so, where are they from? All this is bullshit. Flew to us in response should fly to them. Judging by the events in your homeland, this is exactly what you are doing without observers and the Investigative Committee and prosecutors.
        1. 0
          15 July 2014 13: 50
          I already wrote above that over the entire length and wrote where they came from. Each act of aggression is recorded, the corresponding note is transmitted to the UN.
          1. +3
            15 July 2014 14: 35
            Quote: professor
            I already wrote above that over the entire length and wrote where they came from. Each act of aggression is recorded, the corresponding note is transmitted to the UN.


            A man has two ears ... in one flight from another he flies out at once. They tell you that no one will record the Ukrainian shelling of the Russian territory. This is not in the interests of the United States and therefore not in the interests of the United Nations.
      19. 0
        15 July 2014 12: 40
        Ours already do that!
      20. +4
        15 July 2014 13: 39
        Quote: professor
        answer in israeli

        And it is necessary? Israel has been answering "in Israeli" for more than a dozen years. Have they stopped shooting at him? AND? Why do we need someone else's impasse experience?
        In Ukraine, "Maidan" undoubtedly rules, Parashenko, no one calls him in any way, will try to do something against the insane crowd, he will be swept to hell.
        It is necessary to do something with the mass psychosis that gripped our neighbors, and nothing else. Unless, of course, we need a result.
        1. +2
          15 July 2014 15: 41
          Quote: robinson
          And it is necessary? Israel has been answering "in Israeli" for more than a dozen years. Have they stopped shooting at him? AND? Why do we need someone else's impasse experience?
          In Ukraine, "Maidan" undoubtedly rules, Parashenko, no one calls him in any way, will try to do something against the insane crowd, he will be swept to hell.
          It is necessary to do something with the mass psychosis that gripped our neighbors, and nothing else. Unless, of course, we need a result.


          The most sensible comment IMHO +
        2. 0
          15 July 2014 21: 40
          Quote: robinson
          will try to do something against a crazy crowd, he will be swept away to hell with a dog.

          Someone controls this crazy mass ... it is necessary to destroy key figures, activists.
      21. +1
        15 July 2014 14: 12
        In order to fix the fact itself and draw up, as you put it, the act of aggression, it is not necessary to place observers at the border, it is enough to invite a shell to the place of impact to carry out investigative actions.
      22. Sashko07
        +2
        15 July 2014 14: 19
        so the adversaries do not go, the last time when they were invited to the Donbass they sent military advisers in the form of OSCE observers.
      23. +2
        15 July 2014 14: 58
        and the expressions are chosen IN ISRAELI)))) but it is necessary according to CONSCIENCE !!!! all their lives they’ll take an example from someone, they will soon write a squeezed tank in SOMALIAN!
      24. 0
        15 July 2014 15: 03
        Quote: professor
        To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression. This is a prerequisite.

        How can you invite observers who will be independent in their conclusions, after all, the OSCE, and even the UN, have practically become tools in the hands of the United States. Who in these conditions decides to confirm the shelling and contradicts the main democracy of the world ??? After all, this practically means getting into the camp of the enemy, and the United States they don’t like to stand on ceremony with enemies. They sharply wake up interest in the government of these countries - on the subject of democracy and philanthropy. Well, how do they deal with dictatorial regimes ..........
        In this situation, the position of Russia is very incomprehensible. After crossing the Russian border with a military aircraft in another region, it will be shot down 100%, but this does not happen here. Or I don’t think that when shelling our cities with mortars, Russia needs some solid evidence for the demarche, but here again nothing ...
        Moreover, I understand that Putin does not want to get involved in a military conflict, but to be silent in this case is rather a sign of weakness.
      25. 0
        15 July 2014 16: 53
        Israel is a bit too much deployed observers, according to the reports, not a single one is visible :)
        I think for a long time it was necessary to answer with point strikes.
      26. P-38
        0
        15 July 2014 17: 29
        Quote: professor
        To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression. This is a prerequisite.

        They will record this in Israel. And in Russia, will the same observers from Israel or the OSCE record anything? If a rocket fell on the territory of an Israeli city and exploded, observers from the OSCE would say so: a rocket fell and exploded on the city. And the same observers from the OSCE, having examined Slavyansk, broken up by Ukrainian artillery, modestly wrote: "The shelling was indiscriminate." Do you feel the difference?
      27. 0
        15 July 2014 18: 10
        are there international observers at the border of self-proclaimed Israel and ancient Palestine ?? Or, all the same, is it quite simple to circumcise Putin and you can wet the presumptuous right-wingers near the Russian border ???
      28. 0
        15 July 2014 20: 21
        The State Department "tries" Russia for the WEAK !!!
      29. 0
        15 July 2014 21: 18
        Quote: professor
        To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression. This is a prerequisite.

        Spider-Man is afraid of Slipper Man. Something like this!
      30. 0
        15 July 2014 21: 49
        Quote: professor
        To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression. This is a prerequisite.

        Well, fix the state of war or military conflict between the parties
      31. +1
        15 July 2014 22: 13
        A lot of words and little deed. It is accurate to strike at the killers, and at all and say that it was so.
      32. go
        0
        15 July 2014 22: 21
        Quote: professor
        To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression. This is a prerequisite.


        But what if observers stand for one of the parties to the conflict? Can you name at least one neutral country from which observer experts could come? Brazil?
      33. +1
        16 July 2014 00: 15
        Professor, as always, you are right, and we invite you as an international observer.
      34. 0
        16 July 2014 00: 37
        To answer in Israeli you need to have a "donated" territory after the Second World War and a "roof" that granted this territory. And we really need these very observers. Since we are on our primordial land, which many claim! As in Lugansk and Donetsk!
      35. 0
        16 July 2014 00: 40
        So they crap !!! As already mentioned, the British grazed others in a stupor (((
      36. 0
        16 July 2014 00: 40
        So they crap !!! As already mentioned, the British grazed others in a stupor (((
      37. spd2001
        0
        16 July 2014 02: 02
        but they-observers go only to countries like Israel. We invite, we invite, but they are scared, and suddenly, there is a real war. They have "no" confidence that the aggression on the part of Ukraine was not rigged by Putin. If they come, they will have to refute the American Europostulates. Dilema, this is not Israel
      38. djtyysq
        0
        16 July 2014 14: 16
        Quote: professor
        To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression. This is a prerequisite.
      39. 0
        16 July 2014 21: 17
        A Russian citizen was killed as a result of the shelling and two more were wounded, and this is in a village located 8 km from the border .... and in response nothing !!!
    2. +11
      15 July 2014 09: 09
      I personally don't like the idea of ​​"pinpoint strikes". If the Ukrainian question is to be resolved, then it is fundamental. Otherwise, we can get a long-running conflict ala Israel / Palestine.
      1. +7
        15 July 2014 09: 20
        Quote: Hariva
        I personally don't like the idea of ​​"pinpoint strikes"
        - Yes, a normal idea - no need to send anyone abroad - destroy gun mounts from your territory and that’s all! Across the border, I think these will not climb, but climb - destroy! Only then again, it will end in conversation ... wassat
    3. +7
      15 July 2014 09: 10
      Well, after all, Dmitry Peskov has already called nonsense reports in the Russian media about upcoming targeted strikes in Ukraine. Why suck it up, give rise to Yanko-Ukram.
      1. 0
        15 July 2014 09: 39
        Quote: Rambiaka
        Why suck it up, give rise to Yanko-Ukram.

        Absolutely accurate definition! good
        You don’t need to exaggerate the topic, although blows to banderlogs as a balm for the soul are for many of ours, but it is also water to the Americans mill and those who joined them.
        The answer is also given now - but how without an answer in the form of the corresponding military hardware and so on.
        And then the "dialogue" will only expand, they can speak in a very formidable bass, for example, KAB-1500, etc., until the Bandera-Nazi forces are forced to silence.
        But the languages ​​of the "officials" will remain silent.
      2. -1
        15 July 2014 15: 41
        Quote: Rambiaka
        Well, after all, Dmitry Peskov already called

        You look at his face. It’s hard for me personally to believe that he is capable of telling the truth. Yes, and if you recall the statements of our politicians, you can see that lying is like two fingers about ...
    4. 0
      15 July 2014 09: 10
      Well, if the Amer’s businessman said that Russia will kick, it means kick. How not to believe them? Although it's high time
    5. Enzo
      +11
      15 July 2014 09: 10
      The Kremlin has officially disowned the idea of ​​a retaliatory strike. We are not Israel, we will continue to watch as our borders are fired on with impunity. :(
      1. +1
        15 July 2014 09: 25
        Yes, we are not Israel, there is no USA behind us.
        1. +4
          15 July 2014 10: 11
          Quote: mirag2
          Yes, we are not Israel, there is no USA behind us.


          And that Russia needs someone to stand behind him?
          1. 0
            16 July 2014 16: 50
            Answer the question is so in Israeli ....
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      2. +2
        15 July 2014 09: 45
        Quote: Enzzo
        The Kremlin has officially disowned the idea of ​​a retaliatory strike.

        What kind of idiot "officially" would develop such ideas in a real difficult situation?
        This is the same as self justify ... Doesn’t it come to pass? request
    6. +3
      15 July 2014 09: 11
      It is possible, for example, to seize commanders who give orders for shelling, and take them to the Russian Federation for trial and serving their sentences.
      1. Riesling
        +4
        15 July 2014 09: 20
        There is absolutely no need to export to Russia, to put on a mortar instead of a stake on the spot.
        1. alex_78
          +2
          15 July 2014 10: 08
          good Right! And send to the capital city of Kiev ... By express! negative
      2. +4
        15 July 2014 09: 30
        This is from the ninja movies. It will be problematic to "withdraw" them. For the sake of minor commanders, it is generally meaningless. The game is not worth the candle. And on a large scale (for example, to bang Kalomoisky) there is a big question - is it necessary? He brings more harm to Ukraine than all the Svidomo on the Maidan put together.
    7. +13
      15 July 2014 09: 12
      In response to the shell, it is necessary to throw artillery units with a supply of shells to the militias.
    8. +22
      15 July 2014 09: 12
      "The Times newspaper, in turn, advises Russia to treat the shell hit as a" single lethal incident "and not consider it as an excuse to send troops to Ukraine."

      So, after all, Ukraine may also relate to the accidental arrival of Iskander.
      1. +10
        15 July 2014 09: 17
        Really someone? There are different cases. It happens from the eastern hemisphere, too, from where random projectile hits appear. Weather. Figs understand it.
    9. +1
      15 July 2014 09: 13
      in order to beat so accurately you need to have excellent intelligence, drones and weapons. But as far as the media knows, we don’t have all of this at the moment on the border with Ukraine. So, most likely a duck.
    10. Noki51177
      +2
      15 July 2014 09: 14
      http://www.newrussiannews.ru/archives/1306
    11. +4
      15 July 2014 09: 15
      The filing of protest notes by our Ministry of Foreign Affairs is a dead end road leading nowhere. Only tough countermeasures can cool hotheads in the junta, and if this is not done, then the Russian authorities will squander their credit of trust from the people, and if the Ukrainian military continues to kill our citizens, civil unrest can break out.
    12. +10
      15 July 2014 09: 16
      If Russia answers, the result should only be that way and no other way ..!
      1. +2
        15 July 2014 10: 02
        Where is the parasite?
      2. +3
        15 July 2014 10: 05
        I doubt
      3. +4
        15 July 2014 11: 57
        Meehan. This is from the field of unscientific fiction. If GDP forces pin-dos to allocate MP for the convoy ukroelity, then I admit that it works wonders.
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      5. +2
        15 July 2014 16: 04
        It is necessary that Nuremberg itself be on the territory of Russia. Otherwise it will not work (((
      6. +2
        15 July 2014 18: 51
        Nuremberg is too cool for them; a military court in Voronezh is enough.
    13. +6
      15 July 2014 09: 17
      It is high time. Each dill should know that not a single shot on the territory of the Russian Federation will remain without consequences.
      1. +4
        15 July 2014 09: 21
        Quote: VadimL
        Every dill should know that not a single shot on the territory of the Russian Federation will remain without consequences
        - while they are sure of the opposite!
    14. +4
      15 July 2014 09: 17
      Israel’s experience is really difficult to call positive - it’s life in constant tension and expectation of a blow. The problem must be solved radically: diplomatically or by military means. The security corridor looks like a fairly logical initial solution.
      1. +6
        15 July 2014 10: 01
        Quote: svskor80
        Israel’s experience is really difficult to call positive - it’s life in constant tension and expectation of a blow. The problem must be solved radically: diplomatically or by military means. The security corridor looks like a fairly logical initial solution.

        Already passed. A security zone has been "organized" in southern Lebanon. Did not help. They will shoot from the village and fight, you will hit the fire source and the Security Council will organize an emergency meeting. Not to mention ambushes on patrols and so on. In short, just negotiate, otherwise there will be a sluggish conflict.
    15. +4
      15 July 2014 09: 19
      The expert develops the topic: one who closes his eyes to provocations will deal with their continuation.


      It’s absolutely true ... however, the answer to such provocations can be made more sophisticated and insidious than simply suppressing a firing point by artillery or missiles ..... well, for example ... mining the alleged places from where the shelling will be fired (by militia forces of course), then banal diversionary groups of unknown origin can also be launched along the trail of provocateurs.

      You can calculate the surnames and titles, the address of the residence of these people and carry out the classic pressure on their psyche of their close friends as the GRU of the USSR did .... Generally there are plenty of tools ... there would be a desire.
    16. +4
      15 July 2014 09: 20
      And it will be, as usual, Israel’s small, serious fox-shout will be scolded for the deed, and the great good-looking bull-bear will be killed by all means of influence, for militaristic intentions, so to speak!
    17. +10
      15 July 2014 09: 20
      Thus, if this information is accurate, the Kremlin is preparing to implement the “Israeli” scenario proposed by Yevgeny Bushmin.

      Alas, http://news.mail.ru/politics/18869369/
      MOSCOW, 14 July. PRIME. A spokesman for the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, called the media reports about the upcoming targeted strikes on Ukrainian territory “nonsense”. About this Peskov said in a telephone interview with Bloomberg
      “This is nonsense, there is nothing to comment on,” said Peskov. - It is not true".

      So ...
      If the Russian Federation had introduced a peacekeeping contingent at the very beginning of the ATO, there would have been no casualties whatsoever — those few ukrochast, reaching for the Donbass, would have valiantly fled.
      If the Russian Federation had introduced troops at the beginning of the battles for Slavyansk, the losses would have suffered at least on both sides, most of the dead civilians would have survived.
      If the Russian Federation had introduced troops now, then they would not have the simplest task ahead - some part of the Ukrainian army remembered which side they took up the machine gun and gained some fighting experience.
      But the Russian Federation will not introduce. Apparently, until
      Ukrainian authorities will create several shock groups (total - my note) numbering 50-70 thousand people

      and residents of the border regions of the Russian Federation will begin to die in dozens.
      History repeats itself - at the beginning of his activity Hitler could also be stopped by a couple of French divisions. Then for etgo it took a world war.
      But the only lesson in history is that people do not remember its lessons.
    18. +5
      15 July 2014 09: 21
      We’ll see ... point strikes are attractive ... BUT then they must be applied in Kiev to all objects ... I’m glad ... the president and government of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Ministry of Defense and others ... including the Maidan and the headquarters of the Nazi movements ... and these will be the most effective point strikes ...
    19. +4
      15 July 2014 09: 21
      The Times newspaper, in turn, advises Russia to treat a shell hit as a “single fatal incident” and not to consider it as a pretext for entering troops into Ukraine. Kiev must find and punish those responsible.
      Yeah, the SBU got off their feet, they can’t find it either.
    20. pryanik
      +1
      15 July 2014 09: 22
      he said everything right
    21. +3
      15 July 2014 09: 23
      Until the smoke from the explosion dissipated, burn like a "hail" at the place where the shell was fired. We have such a wrong ricochet! ))) Russian!
    22. +3
      15 July 2014 09: 23
      Quote: GRAY
      Quote: professor
      must first place an international observer

      They invited observers from the OSCE, but it is not known whether they will come.

      They will come for sure, but they will only be blindly deaf and dumb and will later be dictated by the Negro, although the Negro also dances under someone’s pipe !!!!!!!!!!! This banana king cannot cheat the world alone !!!!!!!!!
    23. +3
      15 July 2014 09: 23
      It is necessary to learn and study again from Israel, people take the best from all over the world, systematize and tie them to specific conditions, and for 70 years, being in a hostile environment they have been building or rather have built a prosperous country and, most importantly, very safe for such conditions. Respect from the heart !!!!!!
    24. sazhka4
      -2
      15 July 2014 09: 25
      Apparently, one way or another, it will not work out, filling the airwaves with "formidable" petitions
      For some reason, no one thought about the life of the Soldier when the troops were sent to South Ossetia and Abkhazia? And now all of a sudden they are "concerned"? Here's the question ..
      And the War will be, one way or another. EVERYONE knows that Russia is not a peaceful country. Has not yet succumbed to anyone. Soon there won't be enough space to bury. Any "newcomer" knows that there is a lot of space in Russia, there is enough for everyone .. But why is it so toothless? UN, Syria, here we are heroes. Politics is a trashy thing .. And great football looks .. Great.
    25. +40
      15 July 2014 09: 27
      Here they are the heroes of a sniper ..! Well done guys give ...
      1. sazhka4
        +8
        15 July 2014 09: 39
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Here they are the heroes of a sniper ..! Well done guys give ...

        +100500 MIKHAN. Note such a "trifle". Well done...
      2. +5
        15 July 2014 10: 05
        Uraaaaaaaaa men soldier for more bastards soldier
    26. +3
      15 July 2014 09: 27
      but they are no longer preparing. as Peskov said, "pinpoint strikes are nonsense!"
      our Foreign Ministry is starting to disappoint me and everyone who is responsible for this ...
      1. -5
        15 July 2014 09: 39
        Quote: Evgesh91
        our Foreign Ministry is starting to disappoint me and everyone who is responsible for this ...

        We no longer have a Foreign Ministry, but there is a Ministry of Concern, led by Mr. Concern ...
        1. +18
          15 July 2014 09: 44
          Sagging, well, what does Lavrov have to do with it? He cannot pursue an independent policy, such as he wants. He can pursue the policy that the head of state dictates to him ..
      2. 0
        15 July 2014 12: 04
        Quote: Evgesh91
        our Foreign Ministry is starting to disappoint me and everyone who is responsible for this ...

        And how do you disappoint them ... My minus.
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    27. +2
      15 July 2014 09: 29
      And in my opinion, something extra ordinary should happen so that the official Russian authorities begin to respond with at least point strikes So they will chew snot.
    28. +2
      15 July 2014 09: 29
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Thus, if this information is accurate, the Kremlin is preparing to implement the “Israeli” scenario proposed by Yevgeny Bushmin.

      Alas, http://news.mail.ru/politics/18869369/
      MOSCOW, 14 July. PRIME. A spokesman for the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, called the media reports about the upcoming targeted strikes on Ukrainian territory “nonsense”. About this Peskov said in a telephone interview with Bloomberg
      “This is nonsense, there is nothing to comment on,” said Peskov. - It is not true".

      So ...
      If the Russian Federation had introduced a peacekeeping contingent at the very beginning of the ATO, there would have been no casualties whatsoever — those few ukrochast, reaching for the Donbass, would have valiantly fled.
      If the Russian Federation had introduced troops at the beginning of the battles for Slavyansk, the losses would have suffered at least on both sides, most of the dead civilians would have survived.

      Without a UN mandate, Russia cannot introduce a peacekeeping contingent

      If the Russian Federation had introduced troops now, then they would not have the simplest task ahead - some part of the Ukrainian army remembered which side they took up the machine gun and gained some fighting experience.
      But the Russian Federation will not introduce. Apparently, until
      Ukrainian authorities will create several shock groups (total - my note) numbering 50-70 thousand people

      and residents of the border regions of the Russian Federation will begin to die in dozens.
      History repeats itself - at the beginning of his activity Hitler could also be stopped by a couple of French divisions. Then for etgo it took a world war.
      But the only lesson in history is that people do not remember its lessons.
    29. +1
      15 July 2014 09: 30
      And Poroshenko and Kolomoisky and "fight" in Israel. Bombing everything, more civilians get it.
    30. +2
      15 July 2014 09: 31
      Not much off topic but soon it will be very hot somewhere
      Qatar has entered into a large-scale arms procurement contract with the United States worth about $ 11 billion, spokesman for the US military John Kirby said, noting that this is the largest deal for the US in the defense sector in 2014
    31. +2
      15 July 2014 09: 31
      True, Russia threatens Ukraine with “irreversible consequences”: after all, the Russian died because of “apparently an accidental projectile hit the courtyard of the house.”


      Bl ... th, but not too many "accidental" hits?
      And if by chance so a couple of shells fall in Paris, or Berlin, or Washington, or in Brussels?

      And our "brains" should not.
      There are violators of the air border - to shoot down without warning, there are shellings from the dill - an answer there too!
    32. Jin
      +4
      15 July 2014 09: 31
      Just about any input of troops. Vieb ... a couple of three times from the air, but from Iskander, so that the west does not piz ... silt, there are clear facts about the shelling of Russian territory, and this is the answer to them. Israel works, the worse we, Russia, or did not come out with a face? I'm already tired of this whining and snotty negative
    33. +4
      15 July 2014 09: 35
      Quote: Moment
      Why is it so rude? I think Russia from the beginning exhausts the Kiev junta (they seem like hell), and then it will respond adequately, without warning and dust.

      We will soon go to Poland at such a pace as to our own home. Europe is already dependent on Russia in many ways, but of its own free will, since Russia does not apply the principle: "If you want to do a person well, do him badly, and then, as it was."
    34. +3
      15 July 2014 09: 37
      The gut is thin for Russian politicians to respond in the style of Israel! But wallets, on the contrary, are thick. They are more sorry for some Rostovites there! The war has already spilled across the border. Citizens of the Russian Federation will die further. But the authorities are equally divided. This is a fact! Lousy, true, fact!
    35. +4
      15 July 2014 09: 37
      Yes, they would be fucking faster, so that these hells would be remembered for a long time. And then they don’t see the edges and the most important thing is that they feel impunity and think that everything is possible for them.
      1. +1
        15 July 2014 12: 09
        Quote: sgr291158
        yes so that these hell for a long time to remember

        Unfortunately, it is more likely that they will exaggerate with joy and lose their memory.
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    36. +2
      15 July 2014 09: 38
      Without violating the airspace, aviation must destroy on the adjacent territory everything that shoots in our direction. In addition to praises about high-precision weapons, you must use it.
    37. Riesling
      +1
      15 July 2014 09: 39
      The Ministry of Foreign Affairs will work in the sweat of the face until ukrosnaryady begin to explode behind the Kremlin wall. In the meantime, everything is dignified, noble, maybe by mistake or by tragic accident, all these cases: Novoshakhtinsk, Gukovo, Donetsk ....
    38. +4
      15 July 2014 09: 39
      Quote: Moment
      Why is it so rude? I think Russia from the beginning exhausts the Kiev junta (they seem like hell), and then it will respond adequately, without warning and dust.

      What will exhaust you? Russians are already dying on the territory of Russia, there is only one adequate action to destroy the right-wingers! Spit on sanctions, the whole West needs to show that Russia is not afraid of them and will do everything to protect its citizens! And then, at first, the violation of the border, now they killed the Russian, then they will process our territory with a hail? It's time to act, it's time to go! If we do not want an open conflict, then we can illegally tame the entire National Guard, thank God there are means, too!
    39. +4
      15 July 2014 09: 40
      In Israeli, it is a point strike. And then half a day on the tank to force the aggressor to peace.
    40. +2
      15 July 2014 09: 40
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      In total, 106 countries are considered in the GFP ranking. The first three lines, according to the latest April version of the ranking, are occupied by the USA, Russia and China.

      Business Insider, based on publicly available GFP data, compared the performance of the top 35 countries in the ranking. Own index took into account seven factors: the size of the army, the number of tanks, planes, nuclear warheads, aircraft carriers, submarines and the general military budget.

      The resulting list is also led by the United States, Russia and China, and North Korea closes.



      Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/40344#ixzz37VrS6upX
    41. +3
      15 July 2014 09: 41
      notes again and there will be concerns .. Ukrainians are already laughing at us .. a country like Russia suffers these bullying .. shame ..
      1. Grandfather Victor
        0
        15 July 2014 16: 40
        Those whom you call to state responsibility are concerned only with preserving their own, honestly stolen. And the fact that, in the event of the defeat of the country, they will lose not only "honestly stolen", but also power, freedom, and maybe life, including their loved ones, somehow does not reach their greedy and "smart" heads. The main responsible is a weak and cowardly politician who, at best, only follows events, not ahead of them.
    42. Leonidych
      +11
      15 July 2014 09: 41
      something like this....
    43. +8
      15 July 2014 09: 44
      I think the game here is multi-way ...
      Putin is far from dumb, especially since he is not alone, there are darkness advisers, not all pros are 100%, but he does not keep fools.
      our government and the president are trying to maintain peace in its current borders, as quickly as possible responding to dramatic changes (Crimea) ...
      With Novorossia, I think they did not count to the end (who, without sin, let the first throw a stone at me), again, Strelkov’s appearance was a surprise to many, if not all, if not for him, Novorossia would have died in its infancy.
      The entry of troops will not be unambiguous, and we are not afraid of war, namely sanctions, and the Russians are ready to endure hardships and deprivations for many years, but the GDP believes otherwise that they would not say no matter what bravura speeches were written and songs were not sung, Russia all still on his knees, yes, he rises, but slowly and now it’s mortally dangerous to fall into the abyss of debt obligations, inflation, etc.
      And from this, the discontent of the people will certainly sound much louder, not on sites like ours, but on the streets and "swamp" ... here's a direct road to Maidown ...
      Yes, people die every day, but when didn’t they die?
      The death of a man is a tragedy, the death of thousands is a statistic!
      Yes, bitter words, but not I invented them, but the very history of mankind ... think that it will not only be tomorrow, but in a year!
      Not everyone is given it, but I BELIEVE the one who is "at the helm" now!
    44. +2
      15 July 2014 09: 46
      Quote: professor
      To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression. This is a prerequisite.

      That is the name of the OSCE and other fighters for European democracy on the border.
    45. Finik
      +2
      15 July 2014 09: 48
      We've been "answering" for several months now, can't you see? Russia will not answer Ukraine in Israel, but it should be. We only know how to resent when ours are killed ... and write notes of protest into the air
    46. pahom54
      +9
      15 July 2014 09: 51
      I will not talk about the level of leaders of the Ruins and their 3,14 contentment ...
      Now, if every Ukrainian soldier, who is part of the crew of an artillery gun or the crew of a tank-BMP-armored personnel carrier, will be sure that if he fires a projectile or an automatic burst towards Russian territory, he will be immediately "covered" not just ", but with a powerful and accurate blow, then the morale of these" warriors "will sharply diminish ... And with such answers it is possible to achieve the fact that not only conscripts, but also rabid pravoseki will have to use not only armored vehicles, but also diapers ...
      So it’s just necessary to make sure that when they think of sending a shell towards Russia, they would have something incontinent ... I’m sure this will also bring the end of hostilities in New Russia closer ...
      And it’s high time we drove dill aircraft from our territory ... and FSUs for evidence, anyway we are to blame for everything ...
    47. +4
      15 July 2014 09: 52
      Quote: Black and White
      I think the game here is multi-way ...
      Putin is far from dumb, especially since he is not alone, there are darkness advisers, not all pros are 100%, but he does not keep fools.
      our government and the president are trying to maintain peace in its current borders, as quickly as possible responding to dramatic changes (Crimea) ...
      With Novorossia, I think they did not count to the end (who, without sin, let the first throw a stone at me), again, Strelkov’s appearance was a surprise to many, if not all, if not for him, Novorossia would have died in its infancy.
      The entry of troops will not be unambiguous, and we are not afraid of war, namely sanctions, and the Russians are ready to endure hardships and deprivations for many years, but the GDP believes otherwise that they would not say no matter what bravura speeches were written and songs were not sung, Russia all still on his knees, yes, he rises, but slowly and now it’s mortally dangerous to fall into the abyss of debt obligations, inflation, etc.
      And from this, the discontent of the people will certainly sound much louder, not on sites like ours, but on the streets and "swamp" ... here's a direct road to Maidown ...
      Yes, people die every day, but when didn’t they die?
      The death of a man is a tragedy, the death of thousands is a statistic!
      Yes, bitter words, but not I invented them, but the very history of mankind ... think that it will not only be tomorrow, but in a year!
      Not everyone is given it, but I BELIEVE the one who is "at the helm" now!


      A request to everyone, if we are not a "herd", but really discuss something and share impressions, thoughts, please explain your point of view with comments, be it a plus or a minus, your opinion on this matter is very interesting!
      1. +1
        15 July 2014 10: 06
        Quote: Black and White
        please explain your point of view with comments, be it plus or minus

        So everyone rushed. smile
      2. +1
        15 July 2014 12: 19
        Quote: Black and White
        A request to everyone, if we are not a "herd", but really discuss something and share impressions, thoughts, please explain your point of view with comments, be it a plus or a minus, your opinion on this matter is very interesting!
        I would like + for the idea, but. Dear, is it not difficult for you to divide the stream of thoughts into shorter sentences? Reread your posts. Well? It's just hard for a person to perceive it. Therefore left without +/-, sorry.
    48. +1
      15 July 2014 09: 54
      In fact, yesterday Peskov called it written nonsense and that they will not use point strikes.
    49. -1
      15 July 2014 10: 00
      It seems that if you inflict a nuclear strike on us, then we will abide by political correctness. Your mother of a shit has survived.
    50. +2
      15 July 2014 10: 00
      Quote: Black and White
      Yes, people die every day, but when they did not die? The death of a person is a tragedy, the death of thousands is a statistic! Yes, bitter words, but not I invented them, but the history of mankind itself ... think that there will be not only tomorrow, but and in a year! Not everyone is given this, but to those who are now "at the helm" I BELIEVE!



      Well, yes, that's right, there are a lot of paper cuts in the country, not one million for the dead can be paid
    51. +2
      15 July 2014 10: 01
      Зачем еврейские методы брать на вооружение? Достаточно повторить "штурм дворца Амина", отстрелить всю укроверхушку, включая тварей из СБУ, МВД и МО.
      1. +2
        15 July 2014 10: 13
        Влад предлагает действенный метод, который не использует Израиль. Ведь взорвали неизвестные офисы банка еврея-губернатора в Одессе. Гораздо дешевле и эффективнее уничтожить физически этих евреев-губернаторов и бандеровцев в Раде. Их не перевоспитать. Украинский народ уже за 23 года воспитан в ненависти к нам, мы для них враги. Поэтому убирать надо идеологов, которых проглядела внешняя политика России.
      2. +1
        15 July 2014 10: 13
        Влад предлагает действенный метод, который не использует Израиль. Ведь взорвали неизвестные офисы банка еврея-губернатора в Одессе. Гораздо дешевле и эффективнее уничтожить физически этих евреев-губернаторов и бандеровцев в Раде. Их не перевоспитать. Украинский народ уже за 23 года воспитан в ненависти к нам, мы для них враги. Поэтому убирать надо идеологов, которых проглядела внешняя политика России.
    52. +2
      15 July 2014 10: 01
      Приедут международные наблюдали с заранее написанным отчетом, подготовленным Псакой? Ну, не хотят они жить по закону! Вот и получат по-понятиям. laughing
    53. +3
      15 July 2014 10: 03
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Here they are the heroes of a sniper ..! Well done guys give ...

      Так этож та самая стрела 10! Так вот кто сбил с высоты выше 4х км ан-26. А они все трындят что с российской стороны бук работает....
    54. +1
      15 July 2014 10: 04
      "Точно знает откуда стреляли" если это так, то почему не ответят или будем как в 41 не отвечать на провокации, или уже ответили, да мы не знаем, вопрос остается открытым.
    55. +1
      15 July 2014 10: 05
      Неплохо было бы воспользоваться опытом израильтян. Не в плане нанесения ракетно-бомбовых ударов, это сами сумеем. А вот как все это мероприятие обстряпать, чтобы в итоге оно не выглядело актом оголтелой агрессии. Может дельное что присоветуют.
      1. Alex lygansky
        +2
        15 July 2014 12: 43
        Шумиха в российской прессе про оголтелых бандитов Новороссии, через двое суток стремительная атака под восторженное завывание укропа и аплодисменты запада, а затем "столкнувшись с сопротивлением матерых ..." отступить бросив на поле боя /список/ и желательно с экипажами добровольцев.
    56. +2
      15 July 2014 10: 07
      Я так и не понял, а что, "ответ по израильски", самому Израилю позволяет жить спокойно и без войн с соседями?
    57. +2
      15 July 2014 10: 09
      Точечные удары по Фашингтону, Уолстрит и ещё в пару аналогичных мест очень бы оздоровили жизнь на Земле. И не забыть группу поддержки: 5, 6 прочие колонны.
    58. +2
      15 July 2014 10: 10
      Quote: Alekseev
      Quote: Enzzo
      The Kremlin has officially disowned the idea of ​​a retaliatory strike.

      What kind of idiot "officially" would develop such ideas in a real difficult situation?
      This is the same as self justify ... Doesn’t it come to pass? request


      Совершенно верно. Политика любит тишину. И если попытки силовых провокаций будут продолжаться - кого надо сожгут и кого надо собьют, что бы там Песков и правительство хором не говорило. :)
    59. +1
      15 July 2014 10: 23
      зачем вообще воевать?а может просто ликвидировать несколько человек,самых оголтелых и все?
    60. +1
      15 July 2014 10: 24
      Quote: Anesthetist
      Quote: Alekseev
      Quote: Enzzo
      The Kremlin has officially disowned the idea of ​​a retaliatory strike.

      What kind of idiot "officially" would develop such ideas in a real difficult situation?
      This is the same as self justify ... Doesn’t it come to pass? request


      Совершенно верно. Политика любит тишину. И если попытки силовых провокаций будут продолжаться - кого надо сожгут и кого надо собьют, что бы там Песков и правительство хором не говорило. :)


      Можно сделать проще: у ополченцев вскоре появится высокоточное оружие, Правительство Союза Народных Республик объявит, что возьмёт под защиту приграничную территорию России, и после начнёт наносить точечные удары по артсистемам укров.
    61. +1
      15 July 2014 10: 26
      Безнаказанность предполагает повторение провокаций с обстрелом нашей территории и гибелью нашего населения. Наши Вооружённые Силы имеют в своём распоряжении средства, способные противостоять данной угрозе. На вооружении РВиА ВС РФ имеются артиллерийские разведывательные комплексы, которые обнаруживают координаты стреляющих батарей за несколько десятков километров по траекториям полётов их снарядов и мин. По этим координатам дать ответ - дело нескольких минут.... А ведь есть ещё воздушная и космическая разведки, которые просто обязаны сегодня работать на этой территории.... Опять всё упёрлось в политическую волю одного рукамиводителя.
      Что касается международных наблюдателей, то их присутствие не прекратит обстрел нашей территории, сколько бы их не наехало. Они могут только подтвердить уже имеющийся факт обстрела нашей территории. Для США эти факты уже не имеют никакого значения. Они будут считать Россию агрессором до тех пор, пока Крым не будет возвращён Украине, или их внутренние проблемы не станут для них на первый план.
    62. 0
      15 July 2014 10: 29
      Обстреливать территорию чужого государства - опаснейшая авантюра. Предлагать такое - верх глупости. Опыт Израиля как раз об этом и говорит. Путь от плохого к худшему. Это ведь территория бывшего Советского Союза. Новороссия. Там же живут русские люди. Близкие родственники многих из нас. Откуда такая ненависть?

      Огромная заслуга нашего руководства, на мой взгляд, в том, что не превратила нашу армию в палачей и карателей славян. Никто, по крайней мере пока, не может сказать, что на руках наших пацанов кровь украинцев. И на руках моего сына.
    63. -1
      15 July 2014 10: 31
      Да откуда в вас столько агрессии, все говорят провокация и тут же говорят что нужно ввести войска, ответить точечным ударом и т.д. Выходит шоколадный достиг своей цели раз вы раскудахтались как куры. Сохраняйте спокойствие
      наше правительство и президент стараются сохранить мир в его нынешних границах, по возможности оперативно реагируя на кардинальные изменения

      ваши советы ему не нужны, потому как вы сначала говорите потом думаете, а не наоборот.
      А теперь вопрос все кто написал что нужно произвести точечные обстрелы готовы идти с автоматом в руках отстаивать свою правду? или вы только анонимно можете рассуждать об этом? вы готовы работать на фронт в случае начала войны? готовы что будут погибать ваши близкие и родственники? очевидный ответ - нет. поэтому не надо тут сотрясать воздух субъективными комментариями
    64. +2
      15 July 2014 10: 45
      “There is no peace plan. Honestly, I do not quite understand what our embassy is doing. In particular, Mr. Zurabov, who participates in the clowning under the title “peace plan”. Kiev uses a temporary ceasefire to regroup its forces and pull up military equipment from the neighboring Kharkiv region. There are no peace plans in the head of the Maidan authorities. They are confident that with the support of the West they will crush the resistance of the republics. ”


      А что вы собственно хотите? Когда в такое трудное время посольство возглавляет человек который имеет профессию - экономист-кибернетик, который возглавлял банк, страховую компанию, Пенсионный фонд и т.п., трудно ждать хороших результатов. Или димпломат у нас теперь не профессия и учиться не надо? У нас мало толковых карьерных дипломатов или в дипломатии, как в футболе и автомобилях, теперь разбираются все?
    65. +1
      15 July 2014 10: 50
      Согласно информации в СМИ-Кремль сказаВ-что это НОНСЕНС! request
    66. +1
      15 July 2014 10: 51
      Пора бы уже ответить и не оставлять убийство гражданина РФ безнаказанным.
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    68. +1
      15 July 2014 10: 53
      По мнению аналитика, украинские власти, действующие под прикрытием США, «изначально провоцировали Россию на прямое военное столкновение». Поэтому они будут провоцировать Москву «постоянно».

      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/008/ksnw974.jpg
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    70. 0
      15 July 2014 11: 03
      13 July became aware of the statement of Zoryan Shkiryak, adviser to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Arsen Avakov, which he published on his Facebook page. This person believes that there is a possibility of an open military conflict with the Russian Federation.

      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/469/xpza250.jpg
    71. +2
      15 July 2014 11: 06
      Жил был человек - гражданин России, жил как положено по нашим законам, платил налоги, наверное служил в армии, а если и не служил, была настоящая уважительная причина, растил детей, строил планы, потому что он выполнял все, что требовало от него государство, а вот государство не смогло его защитить. И не важно, что там прилетело, важен сам факт, что кто-то считает возможным в сторону России выстрелить (исключения: бандиты, наркоманы и прочие психи). Это не нормально. Так же как вопрос заданный Лаврову: "Что будет, если Украина нападет на Крым". Это показатель и очень очень настораживающий.
    72. +1
      15 July 2014 11: 06
      Ну вот, вернулся наш гарант и взялся за старое - не раздражать Америку.
    73. +1
      15 July 2014 11: 12
      Нельзя допускать безнаказанности. Не важно, случайно или нет прилетел снаряд. Виновных необходимо затребовать головой, а если нет - тогда бить ударами
    74. +1
      15 July 2014 11: 15
      Something like this....
    75. +2
      15 July 2014 11: 21
      Первое всякое сюсюконье с майданутыми до добра не доведёт, пусть песков сам приедет на границу и побудет под обстрелом, сидеть в кремле это не под фугасами жить, обратно бездарно теряем время, второе про зурабова, он провалил всю работу в минсоцразвитии, проваровался, теперь да извенят меня читатели, просрал украину, это просто тупой, бездарный, алчный человек - ПРЕСТУПНИК, а как дипломат - и тупица, вы посмотрите как он участвовал в переговорах с ДНР и ЛНР, на какой стороне он сидел, люзоблюд, всю задницу представителю ес излизиал.
    76. Bogopodob
      0
      15 July 2014 11: 32
      Вот с этой дуры пальнуть, чтоб в следующий раз подумать на 10 раз и не повторить такое опять!!!
      1. +2
        15 July 2014 16: 38
        Ты хоть знаешь как эта "дура" называется?
    77. +2
      15 July 2014 11: 43
      Quote: professor
      To answer in Israeli, you must first place international observers at the border who will record an act of aggression. This is a prerequisite.

      Еще лучше если один снаряд попадет им в задницу, они вмиг определят где агрессоры.
    78. Vik.Tor
      +2
      15 July 2014 11: 45
      Если мы ответим по израильски, чему я не против,то первыми возопят о " несправедливости" как раз Израиль и их закулисный хозяин сша(намеренно пишу с маленькой).
    79. Solovyov
      +2
      15 July 2014 11: 52

      Допрос карателя. После допроса уничтожен.
    80. 0
      15 July 2014 11: 55
      We do not want war, but we will defend ourselves
      We are fortifying the defense for a reason,
      And in enemy land, we will crush the enemy
      Little blood, a mighty blow!

      In the whole world, nowhere is there such power
      To crush our country, -
      С нами Пути родной, и железной рукой
      Нас к победе ведет товарищ Шойгу!
      Chorus:
      On earth, in the heavens and the sea
      Our refrain is both powerful and severe:
      If tomorrow is war
      If the hike is tomorrow,
      Be ready for the trip today!
    81. +5
      15 July 2014 12: 01
      мда...сидим разговариваем о планах "возмездия" уже за убитых на территории РФ...
      а прошло всего лишь несколько месяцев после потери ближней зоны влияния...
      Вопрос--зачем ее нужно было легко отдавать, а теперь лечить "высыпания"
      Или это хитрый план запустить болезнь да так чтобы она все разрасталась да разрасталось..
      Что что но вначале то года говорили что РФ ни за что не отдаст Киев по многим причинам(ближняя зона буфер и прочее из истории)
      А теперь потеря ближней зоны и проблемы..и проблемы все круче и круче..пошли убитые русские на территории РФ..
    82. 0
      15 July 2014 12: 12
      Quote: Cristall
      мда...сидим разговариваем о планах "возмездия" уже за убитых на территории РФ...
      а прошло всего лишь несколько месяцев после потери ближней зоны влияния...
      Вопрос--зачем ее нужно было легко отдавать, а теперь лечить "высыпания"
      Или это хитрый план запустить болезнь да так чтобы она все разрасталась да разрасталось..
      Что что но вначале то года говорили что РФ ни за что не отдаст Киев по многим причинам(ближняя зона буфер и прочее из истории)
      А теперь потеря ближней зоны и проблемы..и проблемы все круче и круче..пошли убитые русские на территории РФ..


      Здесь можно сравнить Россию с поступком Макса Петтенкофера, врача, который испытал течение болезни на себе (холера), доказав, что она крайне заразна, но поддается лечению!
      Только так, собственным примером...
    83. +2
      15 July 2014 12: 19
      Quote: volodyk50
      А теперь вопрос все кто написал что нужно произвести точечные обстрелы готовы идти с автоматом в руках отстаивать свою правду? или вы только анонимно можете рассуждать об этом? вы готовы работать на фронт в случае начала войны? готовы что будут погибать ваши близкие и родственники? очевидный ответ - нет. поэтому не надо тут сотрясать воздух субъективными комментариями


      дело втом что в Ростовской обл. уже и идти с автоматом ни куда не надо,само пришло,а насчёт погибать за свой дом это честь для нормального мужика
    84. Dimka
      +1
      15 July 2014 12: 41
      Наши ждут пока бомбы не начали падать на Москву?!
    85. Anna K
      -1
      15 July 2014 12: 44
      Точечные удары только дадут повод к агрессии против России. Запад не будет руководствоваться ни правдой ни правом ни совестью.
      Может лучше укрепить границу, ПВО расставить, а то что это вообще такое, снаряды летают, БТР катаются??? Там что на границе бардак?
    86. +1
      15 July 2014 12: 45
      Quote: Canep
      Observers have already been invited to Donetsk (Russia) and Gukovo from the OSCE, and most likely they will not shoot. I think Powder’s choice is not big or to go further to exacerbate and draw Russia into the war or lose all US support and become another victim of the Maidan. In the first case, he has a chance to become a defendant in the Hague tribunal. I would not have climbed to this position in his place. He has great chances to lose everything, including freedom and life.

      Рука - руку моет. Гаагский трибунал создавался для расследования преступлений на территории бывшей Югославии. 90 процентов дел велись против сербов Сербии и Сербской Краины, остальные 10 против хорватов, косовских албанцев и пр. ВСЕ сербы были осуждены на реальные сроки. Ни один хорват или косовар его не получил. В худшем для них случае - условный срок. Порошенко хоть и шестерка в игре Запада против России, но козырная. Они его не сдадут.
    87. +2
      15 July 2014 12: 59
      Надо срочно доказать твердолобым в ЕС что укропы действительно обстреливают РФ со своей территории.Иначе в следующий раз укропские войска подтянут РСЗО и шмальнут по городу на РФ,потом сделают вид что это не они.
    88. +2
      15 July 2014 13: 10
      Разумная мысль, позволит нам силы на границе не фокусировать, но небо для чужих не гражданских аппаратов обязательно закрыть, честно предупредив, что сбиваться будут не предупреждая и не давая время на принятие решения, принцип такой пересек границу = ракета пошла, хочешь кувыркайся хочешь прыгай сразу.
      Такой подход, думаю принесет пользу, в итоге мы не агрессоры, но и вторгнутся не даем, с подготовленных позиций РСЗО, при возможном наступлении ВСУ, отработает жутко.
    89. +1
      15 July 2014 13: 48
      Quote: Belarus
      Иначе в следующий раз укропские войска подтянут РСЗО и шмальнут по городу на РФ

      именно, сначала пара мин, потом десяток снарядов, эдак потом одиночными из Града, а потом очередью
    90. +1
      15 July 2014 13: 54
      Quote: robinson
      Quote: professor
      answer in israeli

      And it is necessary? Israel has been answering "in Israeli" for more than a dozen years. Have they stopped shooting at him? AND? Why do we need someone else's impasse experience?
      In Ukraine, "Maidan" undoubtedly rules, Parashenko, no one calls him in any way, will try to do something against the insane crowd, he will be swept to hell.
      Надо что то делать с массовым психозом который охватил наших соседей, и никак иначе. Если, конечно, нам нужен результат.

      нужно зайти и выключить им телевизоры все гениальное просто feel
    91. 0
      15 July 2014 14: 17
      много мнений...много предложений..я бы предложил только одно-глубинная разведка...рейдовые групы спецназ ГРУ-месяц работы ребят даст больше результатов чем любые бомбардировки...точечные или ковровые...когда укропы начну находить поутру свои головы в тумбочках..их горе солдаты будут бежать в истерике обосрав портки..лишить укропское б ы д л о командования и вырезав энное количество артиллерийских расчётов эффект будет..ужас надо сеять и панику -деморализовать и разложить..перебить командование етой бандой..спецы следов не оставляют кроме тех что нужны..
    92. arhipelag
      +1
      15 July 2014 14: 26
      Quote: Neighbor
      And Poroshenko and Kolomoisky and "fight" in Israel. Bombing everything, more civilians get it.

      Так они израильтяне и есть
    93. Kostya pedestrian
      0
      15 July 2014 15: 53
      Война дело если и прибыльное, но опасное для жизни. Вот футбол - это и здоровье, и деньги, и никаких ночных дозоров.

      Рад что сборная германии выйграла, небось папа римский помолился. Хоть как-то учешить германскую нацию от горечи полного разгрома 15 июля 1410 года в Грюнвальдской битве, как и разгрома берлина в 1945 году доблестной русской армией. правда мы тогда адидасы не носили.

      Просто lowe! Разрешите им послать только серединку из песни Лесоповала.

      фото: колокол на стадионе сборной германии в берлине.
      Я заметил, как время бежит
      Спотыкаясь на скользкой дороге,
      И тому, что напрасно лежит
      Научился приде,
      Научился приде,
      Научился приделывать ноги.

      CHORUS.

      Двадцать два -
      Это вам за глаза,
      И на воле, и в нашем бараке.
      А в колоде четыре туза,
      Все послушные мне,
      Все послушные мне,
      Все послушные мне, как собаки.
    94. +1
      15 July 2014 15: 59
      Я бы не цацкался. Пару Искандеров и всебы замолчало, и не надо переходить границу. Да накрыть только гору Карачун и все закончиться.
    95. +3
      15 July 2014 16: 13
      Ну-ка народ,поминусуй меня.Смеху подобно слышать жалобное блеяние нашего МИДа по поводу обстрела нашей территории.А приглашение проверить наши пропускные пункты-это что?Вообще интересно,война на пороге,а у нас правительство "думает",как бы ещё народ обобрать.Президент ездит по странам,когда в стране надо наводить элементарный порядок.Те же распоряжения Президента не выполняются.Никто ни за что не отвечает.Может это и есть "тайная стратегия",мол-де там лучше нас всё знают.Так почему тогда продолжаются обстрелы нашей страны,почему в правительстве до сей поры сидят гайдаровцы,продавшие СССР вместе с коммунистической "элитой".Почему продажа наших ресурсов на первом месте,а защита и улучшение жизни людей неизвестно на каком,об этом вообще не говорят.Может это тоже "тайная стратегия" Кремля.Терзают смутные сомнения,а не сионистская это стратегия.А если посмотреть,сколько в правительстве и в Кремле людей израильской нации,да к ним добавить замаскированных... Вот после и думай что творится в стране накануне войны.
    96. Grandfather Victor
      0
      15 July 2014 16: 28
      "Государство имеет право защищать свой суверенитет". Имеет право, но не будет.
    97. +1
      15 July 2014 16: 35
      Today, July 15, Russia had to treacherously attack Ukraine. But not attacked. Although infa was one hundred percent. I personally read Facebook on Tymchuk's helmets. So, the helmet told that the concentration of Russian troops near the border had reached a critical size. A sniper who comes to work on a “cross-country motorcycle” works in the forest plantation. After each successful shot, he mockingly laughs. Even hardened fighters from the territorial defense units of Ternopil literally feel cold in their veins from this laughter.

      В общем, все признаки вторжения налицо. Тысячи диверсантов. Естественно, из ГРУ ГШ МО РФ. Они издалека показывали Тымчуку свои ксивы, чтобы он мог переписать исходные данные. Более того, зафиксировано массовое нелегальное пересечение украинско-российской границы отрядами неопознанных боевиков в ластах. Они переправляются через речку в Сумской области, снимают ласты и буквально растворяются на фоне местности. Однако остаются вещдоки – легендарные мясные консервы Мценского завода, которые с головой выдают российское происхождение ДРГ. Или РДГ. На днях одну такую консервную банку продемонстрировали иностранным дипломатам в качестве убийственного свидетельства российского присутствия в самом сердце АТО. Или печени. Я не разбираюсь в военной терминологии, принятой в группе «Информационное сопротивление» Тымчука. Дипломаты внимательно обнюхали использованное изделие. Некоторые даже лизнули. Сосать не рискнули. Мало ли что… Все таки, , российские диверсанты. Они такие коварные.

      Продолжение истории читать на Anna-News --- http://anna-news.info/node/18346

      .
    98. +1
      15 July 2014 16: 37
      Украина ,,ментально,, готова к войне с Россией??? Кажись воевать Укроармия сможет тоже только ,,ментально,,))
    99. 0
      15 July 2014 16: 43
      http://www.odnoklassniki.ru/video/5446698307?fromTime=1
    100. 0
      15 July 2014 16: 44
      http://www.odnoklassniki.ru/video/5446698307?fromTime=1 КЛИКНИТЕ ССЫЛОЧКУ,НЕ ПОЛЕНИТЕСЬ!!!

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