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Russia and Cuba have identified priority areas for cooperation in the field of industry

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Russia and Cuba have identified priority areas for cooperation in the field of industry

In order to deepen Russian-Cuban cooperation in the field of industry, the heads of the relevant ministries of the two countries developed a strategy and main areas of cooperation in priority sectors. The implementation of the agreements will contribute to an increase in commodity turnover between Russia and Cuba and will give new impetus to the partnership relations of friendly states.

Denis Manturov, Minister of Industry and Trade, Co-Chairman of the Russian-Cuban Intergovernmental Commission on Trade, Economic and Scientific-Technical Cooperation, and El Salvador Pardo Cruz, Head of the Ministry of Industry of the Republic of Cuba, signed a Memorandum of Understanding in the field of industry. The agreement was signed during the visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin to Cuba.

The priority areas of cooperation were metallurgy, chemical and light industry, as well as transport and special engineering. The memorandum was drafted with the participation of Cuban Council of Ministers Vice President Ricardo Cabrisas.

The memorandum involves the participation of Russian companies in the modernization of pulp and paper mills in different cities of Cuba and the Jose Marti metallurgical plant in Havana, the organization in the country of assembly plants of spare parts for Russian-made motor vehicles, and the supply of mineral fertilizers for the agricultural industry.

“Today, in the presence of the leaders of the two countries, a number of bilateral documents have been signed, including a Memorandum of Understanding between the Ministry of Industry and Trade and the Ministry of Industry of Cuba. This important document opens up new opportunities for deepening Russian-Cuban cooperation in the field of industry, said the Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov. “The adopted memorandum will make it possible to specify those areas in which active collaboration is already underway, as well as expand the range of interaction between our countries with new promising projects in priority sectors.”

In addition, the parties agreed to continue deliveries under long-term contracts aviation machinery, as well as weaving equipment of Russian production. In particular, by the end of 2014, obligations will be fulfilled for the supply of three An-158 aircraft to Cuba.

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According to the Federal Customs Service, in 2013, the trade turnover between Russia and Cuba amounted to 185,1 million dollars.

In the structure of Russian exports to Cuba at the end of last year, the bulk of deliveries accounted for machinery, equipment and vehicles (74,8%) and chemical products (12,5%). The basis of imports were food products and agricultural raw materials (93,4%).

In terms of value, for 2013 a year compared with 2012, the largest increase in Russian exports to Cuba was recorded for the following product groups: railway rolling stock and its parts (increase 8,3 times), wood and products from it (4,2 times), ferrous metals ( in 3,2 times), textiles (in 2 times).
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  1. ispaniard
    ispaniard 14 July 2014 11: 39
    +7
    Give us S-400 and Iskander in Cuba! 35 Billion dollars are written off for a reason ...
    1. portoc65
      portoc65 14 July 2014 11: 41
      +19
      Putin is a player .. All the cards interfere with the Yankees .. I can imagine how they are now concerned.
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      2. ispaniard
        ispaniard 14 July 2014 11: 50
        +19
        I agree portoc65, Cuba has always been the scrotum of the United States, this is clearly shown by the "Cuban Missile Crisis", the turn has come to squeeze the "Balls" of America in strong Russian hands. Revenge for Ukraine will be cold but impressive. Vova waited a very long time for the opportunity to check-out the USA for everything that they did to the world and the USSR in particular ...
      3. nils
        nils 14 July 2014 12: 02
        +1
        "... According to the Federal Customs Service, in 2013 the trade turnover between Russia and Cuba amounted to $ 185,1 million."

        DROP!
        Sad however.
        And where is the base in Lourdes - the main concern of the Yankees? Can someone tell me?
        Who is it interesting to give them such a gift?
        1. avg
          avg 14 July 2014 12: 10
          0
          Quote: nils
          And where is the base in Lourdes - the main concern of the Yankees? Can someone tell me?
          Who is it interesting to give them such a gift?

          A gift was given to them by Mr. Ivanov, who, unlike the intelligence center in Lourdes on the spot, is alive, healthy, and actively involved in the country's defense.
          1. creak
            creak 14 July 2014 12: 23
            +3
            Oh really? Such decisions are not made by the Minister of Defense (Ivanov was then the Minister) - this is the prerogative of the country's leadership, since it is not only a military, but also a political decision ... The closure of the intelligence center was announced by Vladimir Putin at a meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation in October 2001 ...
            1. avg
              avg 14 July 2014 15: 50
              0
              The president is responsible for everything, but he cannot be a dock in all areas. Therefore, the decisions of the president are prepared by experts.
              On this occasion, L. Ivashov writes: “In December 2000, at the urging of the Minister of Defense Igor Sergeyev, the center was visited by Vladimir Putin, where, together with Fidel Castro, he worked out his work, capabilities and tasks in detail for four hours. Then, in the presence of the Cuban leadership, he spoke to the center’s personnel and members of the military families, declaring the importance of the facility to ensure Russia's security, the need to support its activities and development prospects. ”
              However, in March 2001, Ivanov became the new Minister of Defense, and already in September, according to his report to the president, it was decided to close the center.
              “On your instructions,” says Leonid Ivashov to Sergey Ivanov, “the then Chief of the General Staff Anatoly Kvashnin prepared a report and made a statement that the center in Lourdes is not needed, it is costly, and modern satellites will easily take over its functions. As a result, there is neither a center, nor satellites, nor intelligence on the activities of the US strategic forces on the possible preparation of a strike (including a nuclear one) against Russia. ”
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              2. creak
                creak 14 July 2014 16: 23
                +3
                Quote: avg
                The president is responsible for everything, but he cannot be a dock in all areas. Therefore, the decisions of the president are prepared by experts.


                That’s how it is, only the President, as a former intelligence officer and without experts, should have understood the importance of the intelligence station in Lourdes. It was not about some kind of agricultural facility or construction of a hydroelectric power station, the help of specialists of the corresponding profile is really needed ...
        2. Paradoxov
          Paradoxov 14 July 2014 12: 11
          +5
          Everyone will return the base in Lourdes and the submarines, as well as in Nicaragua, they will dig a channel ... otherwise how to understand Putin’s route through these places?
          I would also like to see cheap Ligeros and Upman return to our tobacco stalls (this is purely personal) smile
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          2. siberalt
            siberalt 14 July 2014 12: 34
            +1
            Well, "Ligeros", as that, did not smoke because of their "thermonuclearness". They gave me a cigarette to make a joke and see how the eyes of the person who lit the forehead crawl after the first puff. Yes, and in stalls cigarettes have already been banned from selling.
      4. Paradoxov
        Paradoxov 14 July 2014 12: 04
        +1
        Duc Putin acts as written here. Last week they wrote about Cuba, Nicaragua and joint exercises in the Caribbean ... :)

        (c) The right way, comrades BRICS go! drinks
    2. Matroskin 18
      Matroskin 18 14 July 2014 11: 49
      +1
      Russia and Cuba have identified priority areas for cooperation in the field of industry

      Have you discussed the creation of the Russian naval base?
      Or is it by itself? ...
      I remember that Cuba already carried civilian cargo ... mixed with missiles! laughing
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    4. avg
      avg 14 July 2014 12: 00
      +4
      Quote: ispaniard
      Give us S-400 and Iskander in Cuba! 35 Billion dollars are written off for a reason ...

      Iskander in Cuba is not that, the range is not enough. It is necessary to withdraw from the INF Treaty and build medium-range missiles on the Iskander base. This will be exactly what Khrushchev called: "Put a hedgehog in the pants of the Americans"
      1. mail
        mail 14 July 2014 16: 52
        +1
        Whose ?! From Corrarillo (Cuba) to Homestead - 270 km, enough to pop)!
    5. armageddon
      armageddon 14 July 2014 12: 03
      +1
      Hmm ... I agree THINK BASE ... !!! But not like under Khrushchev ... SMARTER !!!
    6. Giant thought
      Giant thought 14 July 2014 12: 07
      +5
      What they are not talking about openly now after the visit is, apparently, military cooperation. They asked the puzzle to the mattresses.
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    8. comprochikos
      comprochikos 14 July 2014 12: 11
      +2
      Debt is clearly not just written off. Usa soon howl.
    9. abc_02
      abc_02 14 July 2014 12: 12
      +6
      Not! The revival of the radar, which could listen to the floor of the American continent!
    10. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 July 2014 12: 25
      +1
      As I understand it, soon Cuban sugar will be on sale again.
    11. GSH-18
      GSH-18 14 July 2014 12: 35
      0
      Quote: ispaniard
      Give S-400 and Iskander in Cuba! 35 Billion dollars are written off for a reason.

      Iskanders with NUCLEAR warheads! good
    12. Zhekson
      Zhekson 14 July 2014 16: 11
      0
      why so rude? Now you can just put on duty several submarines and several ships for duty in the Caribbean and that’s all!
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 14 July 2014 20: 40
        0
        Quote: Zhekson
        why so rude? Now you can just put on duty several submarines and several ships for duty in the Caribbean and that’s all!

        Yes Yes..
        Only for these ships and boats then you need to build a naval base (which is not cheap). And Americans will chase them all the time on their troughs.
        Missiles with nuclear warheads in Cuba are much cheaper, more efficient and more pragmatic. Proved by Khrushchev.
  2. Baatyr
    Baatyr 14 July 2014 11: 42
    +7
    First China, now Argentina and Cuba is a strong blow to the vanity of the Americans. Keep it up!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 July 2014 11: 49
      +4
      Hit? From what? Cuba is an adversary despite a small thaw, the level of Khrushchevskaya and there is traditionally Russian influence. That is nothing unusual. Argentina was not originally an ally or friend, and after the default of 2001 of the year, it gradually goes more towards the opponents of the United States and the influence there is minimal. However, in Argentina, the ass is with the economy and they are balancing on the edge of a new default, Russia can give them money or opportunities, well, in BRICS they have been torn for 2 years.
      1. abc_02
        abc_02 14 July 2014 12: 16
        +1
        At "Russia 24" they talked about the energy independence of Argentina due to our construction of a nuclear power plant.
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 14 July 2014 20: 42
      0
      I can imagine how the Merzikosov State Department comes on. Precisely because of this tour of Putin! laughing good
  3. Finches
    Finches 14 July 2014 11: 43
    +8
    Cuba is our strategic partner! When the troops were withdrawn from there, he made utter nonsense! Now it’s still possible and necessary to return! The commandant and his brother are already decrepit, and not today, unfortunately they will leave this world tomorrow, and up to this point, it’s precisely for us that we need to firmly stand with Russian two legs on Liberty Island, otherwise we’ll get there ... s and that’s it, we will lose the country for ourselves, well located on the globe for us! A pin..sy from Cuba will make a solid Guantanomo!
  4. saag
    saag 14 July 2014 11: 46
    0
    Quote: ispaniard
    Give us S-400 and Iskander in Cuba!

    a repeat of the Cuban crisis or what?
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 14 July 2014 11: 52
      +7
      Quote: saag
      Quote: ispaniard
      Give us S-400 and Iskander in Cuba!

      a repeat of the Cuban crisis or what?


      Amers had the Cuban crisis ... and now there is ... We had the Caribbean crisis ...

      Are you afraid of problems? Well, if the guys want to establish a licensed production of C300 and Iskander why not ... business, nothing personal ...
      1. saag
        saag 14 July 2014 14: 31
        0
        Quote: vorobey
        Are you afraid of problems?

        At first Khrushchev also saw a swagger and how did it all end?
    2. Praetorian
      Praetorian 14 July 2014 12: 07
      0
      In case of Iran’s attack on Russia. Everything is logical.

      In fact, it would be nice to get hold of the base of the Navy’s material support there and cover it with air defense systems.
    3. I am proud of Russia
      I am proud of Russia 14 July 2014 13: 17
      +3
      Better Cuban than Samara or Kaliningrad ... My opinion.
  5. kostik1301
    kostik1301 14 July 2014 11: 48
    +1
    Give a military base in Cuba .....................
  6. donavi49
    donavi49 14 July 2014 11: 50
    0
    According to An-158, it is very optimistic, they are being built in Kiev and everything is very bad there. Factory charts winter-summer 2015 transfer to LIS.
  7. podpolkovnik
    podpolkovnik 14 July 2014 11: 50
    0
    In particular, by the end of the 2014 year, commitments will be fulfilled for the supply of three An-158 aircraft to Cuba.

    From now on - in more detail ....
    Something incomprehensible some ...
    An-158 (An-148-200) - Ukrainian short-haul passenger plane, further development of the An-148 model.
    (from Wikipedia)
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 July 2014 11: 56
      +2
      Planes are assembled in Kiev. The Cuban national company leased 6 aircraft from Ilyushin-Finance.

      3 set relatively calmly. Then maydown, but 4 completed and surrendered in May. Two more are still under construction due to the disruption of work, as well as the fact that the new government began to nightmare Antonov with inspections, revisions - disrupting work, with an aim to redistribute property (the new elite must be beaten off loot), even February-June 2015 to transfer the remaining xnumx looks optimistic.

      Here is the 4 plane. And yes, the direct participation of Russia - IF, which buys the plane and leases it to the Cuban company + participation in the construction cooperation. Builds Kiev.
      1. bmv04636
        bmv04636 14 July 2014 12: 04
        +1
        July 4, 2014 in Voronezh, flight tests of the fourth An-148-100E passenger aircraft, built by the Voronezh Joint-Stock Aircraft Building OJSC, began. Almost simultaneously with this, on July 2, 2014, the Russian Air Force was received and flew from Voronezh to the Chkalovsky third An-148-100E airfield near Moscow
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 14 July 2014 12: 15
          +2
          AND???

          VASO builds 148 quite a lot of itself, last year 6 An-148 built. An-158 is building only Kiev, with the participation of Russian cooperation.

          The only trouble is that there are 148 orders for An-0, so the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Arctic Ocean and the Ministry of Defense buy out the new aircraft to support VASO trousers. There are no other orders.

          At An-158, there are also really commercial 0 orders. Panama and Cuba buy to Leasing through IF. 0 direct contracts. The question is why is it an IF, which is actually at a loss - earlier to support Kivu, work on An-70, 124 and 178 (otherwise the plant would just be bent), now? Question.
      2. Dali
        Dali 14 July 2014 13: 25
        0
        Well, you donavi49, no matter how you don't dill, dill (((, on the topwar they already wrote, dill arrived, now the AN-148 in Russia is being harvested !!!
        1. Dali
          Dali 14 July 2014 13: 26
          0
          And without the participation of Dill ...)))
        2. Dali
          Dali 14 July 2014 13: 26
          0
          And without the participation of Dill ...)))
        3. donavi49
          donavi49 14 July 2014 13: 44
          0
          Only in half cooperation, sets go from Kiev to the building + cooperation on filling. And the engine from Ivchenko-Progress, not mastered by the UEC.

          And yes, stop producing hatred for the flag wink . Be realistic. Ukraine cannot produce An-148 / 158 / and 178 in the current project person without cooperation with the Russian Federation, in general, that is, without a global revision of the project, which will entail certification of the board. This is a double stick.

          The trouble with An-148 / 158 is that they are outdated and no one needs it. About this, I wrote.

          All contracts are:
          government agencies of the Russian Federation from under the stick, because you need to download VASO, and for SSJ the queue is very large.
          8 aircraft leased through IF - and IF itself is subsidized by these contracts, because they are unprofitable and signed only for keeping Antonov afloat (then they promoted the topic 124М, 70 and 178 in the MTS (214) / 112 version).


          Now Kivu was shoved from Koryt, the Kiev factory and the design bureau are divided by the new authorities, who will squeeze out the last loot before Antonov’s death.
      3. Dali
        Dali 14 July 2014 13: 25
        0
        Well, you donavi49, no matter how you don't dill, dill (((, on the topwar they already wrote, dill arrived, now the AN-148 in Russia is being harvested !!!
  8. bmv04636
    bmv04636 14 July 2014 11: 58
    +1
    can plant a grove of poplars and ash trees from the evil North Koreans and Persians
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 14 July 2014 12: 01
    0
    It's time for Cuba, with its debts and close cooperation with Russia, to ask for the Union State of Russia and Belarus .. smile
  10. Yellow white
    Yellow white 14 July 2014 12: 07
    0
    Quote: parusnik
    It's time for Cuba, with its debts and close cooperation with Russia, to ask for the Union State of Russia and Belarus .. smile


    I fully support, it is necessary and necessary!
  11. arthur_hammer
    arthur_hammer 14 July 2014 12: 09
    0
    Yes .... it would not be bad to place our aircraft in Cuba with the whole spectrum of military aviation, and the base for the Navy is definitely !!!! recall amers about the Caribbean crisis)))
  12. Denka
    Denka 14 July 2014 12: 15
    0
    Quote: portoc65
    Putin is a player .. All the cards interfere with the Yankees .. I can imagine how they are now concerned.

    He is not a player, HE is STRATEG and not bad!
  13. yurga65
    yurga65 14 July 2014 12: 15
    0
    Quote: Finches
    Cuba is our strategic partner! When the troops were withdrawn from there, he made utter nonsense! Now it’s still possible and necessary to return! The commandant and his brother are already decrepit, and not today, unfortunately they will leave this world tomorrow, and up to this point, it’s precisely for us that we need to firmly stand with Russian two legs on Liberty Island, otherwise we’ll get there ... s and that’s it, we will lose the country for ourselves, well located on the globe for us! A pin..sy from Cuba will make a solid Guantanomo!

    I completely agree! Hunchback did utter stupidity when he withdrew our brigade from Cuba in 1993, and there were a lot of things there, and the military commanders by the way, too (he himself served there from 1984 to 1986), and the Americans are not going to leave Guantanomo, although the deadline ended in 1985. So give Cuba back.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 July 2014 12: 28
      +3
      Quote: yurga65
      I completely agree! Hunchback did utter stupidity when in 1993 he withdrew our brigade from Cuba

      You see the failed victim of the exam. Hunchback did not output anything in 1993; at least learn the modern history of Russia.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 14 July 2014 12: 38
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: yurga65
        I completely agree! Hunchback did utter stupidity when in 1993 he withdrew our brigade from Cuba

        You see the failed victim of the exam. Hunchback did not output anything in 1993; at least learn the modern history of Russia.



        Yes, Sanya ... it's like a complete ass ... but you spit in the face immediately climb to climb ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 July 2014 12: 42
          +1
          Quote: vorobey
          but in the face you spit right away they fight ...

          Yes, it’s only here on the site and it can be said in person that those who dump out of the bar at two in the morning and who are today 19. Although they do not pile laughing
          Well, stupid, as Zadornov said, not too long ago about amers request
  14. tennis
    tennis 14 July 2014 12: 24
    0
    Cuba, my love! - as they sang before. The most reliable allies and friends. But in the smelly 90s, we betrayed everyone we could. We need to build relationships, if possible.
  15. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 14 July 2014 12: 41
    0
    It would not be a bad thing to resume military-technical cooperation, then the entire State Department and the Pentagon will creep up their asses in their chairs and the spores for headache pills will increase.
  16. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 14 July 2014 13: 09
    0
    The debt was probably written off not so! The Yankees do not want to see GLONASS HIMSELF ...... well .... and it seems that they agreed to develop oil fields there. The president will not go so easily 1 piece of paper!
  17. papa-billy
    papa-billy 14 July 2014 13: 12
    +1
    We must be friends with Cuba! And make friends tightly!
  18. Roshchin
    Roshchin 14 July 2014 14: 08
    +1
    23 years of cooperation with Cuba, through the efforts of the pro-Western liberals, with all their might "silted up". We tried to cajole and make friends with PIN..i. Finally the thunder struck, and the cooperation was urgently deepened again. We even worked out a strategy in the main areas. They can when they want. Otherwise: totalitarianism, undemocraticism, the values ​​are not the same. It turned out that the values ​​on the Freedom Island for the Russian Federation are the same. And cane brown sugar is preferred by lovers of a healthy lifestyle. Lovers of the conventional look will drink Havana Club rum while lighting up a Havana. Again as before: "Viva Cuba! Viva Fidel!"
  19. Beck
    Beck 14 July 2014 14: 49
    -2
    Everything is back to square one. They again embark on the path previously traveled, which fences off Russia from the rest of the world.

    After the fall of the communist system, bonded allies under the CMEA and the Warsaw Pact (former socialist countries) became independent in their choice. The Putin Kremlin could not, did not want to establish normal neighborly relations with its neighbors. Even with the Slavic people of Ukraine, he brought relations almost to a military confrontation. The world community has advocated for the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

    Against this background, the Kremlin, as in Soviet times, began to seek alliance not with its neighbors, but with the outcasts of the international community. Supported the DPRK and forgave debts. Now took Cuba as an ally, too forgiving debts. It’s good that in Africa I didn’t find an ally like Swaziland, that’s not where the money would go. In general, true allies are not bought for money, much less returnable. It was not the Kremlin that found allies, but the DPRK and Cuba again stuck to the Russian budget. It is well known that any money-grubber will shout anything, and will be faithful as long as the donor has the money.

    But in Cuba there is a treaty. Neither the US nor Russia, under this agreement, can send troops there.

    Free from the blockade? And how can this one state reverse the decision of another? There will be only one thing, so that Cuba does not become miserable, the Russians will again have to get used to the bitter Havana cigars and not sweet cane sugar. This has already happened, but not for the future. Again, Russian money began to go around the world and go into the bottomless belly of totalitarian regimes, which declared themselves either socialist or anti-imperialist, or barking for progress.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 14 July 2014 21: 33
      +1
      Quote: Beck
      Even with the Slavic people of Ukraine, he brought relations almost to a military confrontation.
      Was it in the Kremlin that they jumped and shouted "who does not jump, that xo * ol"? Maybe in our textbooks they wrote about the evil ykpax, which interfered with our prosperity all the time? Were you engaged in lustration of ycpitheks in Russia? If not, then why should you try so shamelessly?
      Quote: Beck
      After the fall of the communist system, bonded allies under the CMEA and the Warsaw Pact (former socialist countries) became independent in their choice.
      Read Sikorski's statements about the independence of Poland. "Letting go", he said. About the rest of the former social. countries can say the same thing.
      1. Beck
        Beck 15 July 2014 09: 12
        0
        Quote: Stanislav
        Was it in the Kremlin that they jumped and shouted "who does not jump, that xo * ol"?


        What happened in Ukraine?

        Yanukovych did not improve the country's economic indicators and at the last moment abandoned his election promise of joining economic integration with the EU. Economic, not military. The people opposed Yanukovych and ousted him. New parliamentary and presidential elections have been called. ALL.

        And who cares what parliament and president will choose Ukraine or Sweden or Costa Rica or Honduras. This is the business of the peoples of these countries.

        And nothing has changed, with the overthrow of Yanukovych, for the Russian-speaking population of Crimea and the South-East of Ukraine. They lived until this 20 years, and continued to live. But the Kremlin intervened - by propaganda, insinuations, provocations, it excited the Russian-speaking population. Then he sent troops to the Crimea (or Ukraine sent troops to the Rostov region), held a referendum on bayonets and annexed the peninsula.

        Then, in order to divert world attention from the Crimea, the Kremlin stirred up the Southeast. He promised all-round support and help. The people rose, but when the BLOOD flowed, the Kremlin into the bushes. He threw the Russian people in the southeast of Ukraine to their fate - he took his troops from the border and repealed the law passed before the Crimea allowing the president to use Russian troops in Ukraine. That is, the Russian people of the Southeast have become hostages and pawns in the political ambitions of the Kremlin. This is mean.

        Fascism. First, look at the international definition of fascism and then you will see that more than one point in the definition of fascism is not suitable for Ukraine. Fascism in Ukraine is the falsehood and propaganda of the Kremlin. And it is intended for the crowd. Kremlin officials themselves understand that putting such crap into international communication is worthless and neither the president nor the foreign minister of Russia have ever personally declared fascism in Ukraine.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 15 July 2014 12: 11
          0
          Quote: Beck
          And who cares what parliament and president Ukraine will choose
          Do you even laugh at your own words? The presence on the Maidan of numerous American and European politicians, officials, etc. shows that they generally just have nothing to do, and there, out of idle curiosity, they scurried back and forth all the time.
          Quote: Beck
          First look at the international definition of fascism
          Is there such a thing? Is it stamped on it, that it is international and generally recognized? If there is a concept of fascism, then, if necessary, it is possible to derive a hundred definitions from it, and from all existing ones, select the one that corresponds to it to a greater extent. If, according to your "international" definition, the crowds of thugs marching through the city with swastikas, portraits of Bandera and shouts of "mokalyak on gilyak", burning unarmed people alive, are not fascists, then it is wrong.
          1. Beck
            Beck 15 July 2014 13: 12
            0
            Quote: Stanislav
            Do you even laugh at your own words?


            Laugh yourself, whatever you want, I’m not a decree for you.

            Quote: Stanislav
            The presence on the Maidan of numerous American and European politicians, officials, etc. shows that they generally just have nothing to do, and there, out of idle curiosity, they scurried back and forth all the time.


            There were politicians from Europe just like the representatives of the Kremlin. And they were there to objectively understand what was happening.

            Quote: Stanislav
            If there is a concept of fascism, then, if necessary, a hundred definitions can be deduced from it, and from all existing ones one can be selected that which corresponds to it to a greater extent.


            Those like you are doing it - sticking labels.

            Quote: Stanislav
            If, according to your "international" definition, the crowd of thugs marching through the city with swastikas, portraits of Bandera


            In modern times, with swastikas, I saw only Russian skinheads and read about their murders of non-Russians in Russia.

            Bandera is a cliche, an echo of communist propaganda. Because for the commie, he was an enemy and only because he wanted the independence of Ukraine. Bandera fought against all who occupied Ukraine.

            In 30 years, he fought against the Polish authorities in Ukraine. He was captured, sentenced to death, replaced by life imprisonment. In the year 39, Bandera was released from prison after the occupation of Poland by Germany. In 40, Bandera and like-minded people wanted to declare the independence of Ukraine. Bandera was captured and placed in a Sachsenhausen concentration camp by German authorities. He left the camp in 1944. And just as he fought against the authorities of Poland and Germany, he began to fight against the authorities commies. And he was killed not by the verdict of a Polish court, but by the extra-judicial murder of the KGB.

            If we consider Bandera, who fought for the independence of his people, a villain. Then for whom to consider then Evpatiya Kolovrat, Dmitry Donskoy, Minin and Pozharsky who fought for the independence of Russia? Or is the pursuit of independence only for the Russian people? And the fighters for the independence of other nations are all bandits.
            1. Stanislas
              Stanislas 16 July 2014 09: 33
              0
              Quote: Beck
              Or is the pursuit of independence only for the Russian people? And the fighters for the independence of other nations are all bandits.
              If "fighters for independence" do not fight with the armed formations of the enemy, as, for example, in Novorossiya, cultivate the idea of ​​national and racial superiority, foster hatred of other nations and serve the invaders, who do not want to go to the same toilet with them out of need, performing for Since their punitive functions are mainly against civilians, this label ("fighters for independence") does not fit them in any way. And fascism is different - nationalist, class, religious, liberal, etc. The difference between us in sticking labels is that I "stick" the label of a "fascist" to the Banderaites, and you stick on them the label of a "fighter for independence", although the ziggy pravoseki and those who use them really pull only on second-rate fascists.
              The Russian people today are not the only ones fighting for independence against the fascism of the Eurocentric liberals, but many who want independence other than the Polish version have hopes for it.
  20. boris
    boris 14 July 2014 18: 20
    +1
    For Beck.
    Did you define Cuba as a rogue state? You are not the case with the State Department on
    salary?
    1. Beck
      Beck 15 July 2014 09: 22
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      Quote: borys
      You are not the case with the State Department on
      salary?


      Not salary, but payment for information. I zashiviruyte komenty this site and send them to the State Department. For each encryption I get paid one cent.

      I’m also a CIA agent, they also pay one cent. But I am a double agent, even multiple. I’m also an agent of the FSB, they pay one penny when I tell them that I sent to the State Department. I am also an agent of the secret service of Mongolia, they are the most generous pay one tugrik. And for ideological reasons, already without payment, I work for secret services of aliens and for the Papuan society of flower lovers.

      And you are so insightful that you have revealed me, because not a single counterintelligence of the world could do this.