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"The execution of a child in Slavyansk." About provocative throws that cross the reputation of large domestic media

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The story of the Ukrainian refugee Galina Pyshnyak, which appeared on Channel One, about how Kiev punishers cracked down on the militia’s family in the most wild way, caused a real shock for people who were particularly sensitive. In fact, the words are creepy, as they say, to disgrace ... A child crucified on a notice board in the central square, where the punishers were able to drive the inhabitants of the city. His mother, in whose eyes an hour and a half died a young son tied to tank. The nails that pierced through the boy’s arms, the bloodied body of a woman who was driven around the square in front of the residents of Slavyansk who were driven to the center. In general, a complete set of barbarism, fascism, Nazism and all that sort of thing.



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If some young lady similar to Galina Pyshnyak would have told the same to representatives of some Ukrainian channel, but only about the “atrocities” of the militia, the public from the category of “gloryaukrayin” zombied with ukroSMI materials would surely believe in such statements I would begin to look for an answer, how to punish "klyatyh Moskaliv" - by atomic bombings with the help of American "friends", for example ... But we here, it seems, would not have survived the mind to take such shocking statements on faith without any For more evidence, and other evidence. You can, of course, say that no additional evidence is needed, but you must immediately use the words of Galina Pyshnyak for urgently entering troops or for some far-reaching actions.

But stop! Has there not already been something like this in the world stories? Let us mentally transfer to the 1990 year, when from the mouth of a supposedly ordinary Kuwaiti girl sounded "evidence" of the soldiers of Saddam Hussein killing Kuwaiti children, ruining the Kuwaiti maternity hospital. The girl started a tear at the camera and, on beautiful English, told the western public about the horrors of the Iraqi military. By the way, then many people had a question, but where did a girl from a Kuwaiti village so fluent in English speak so well, and almost without an accent?



Journalists "took up" for this girl. It turned out that the brilliant knowledge of English is explained very simply: the girl was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US ... Apparently, the co-authorship of the horror was composed by a horror film (or it was just put on the table after the offer of her daughter’s services to the role), she read the text to the public, letting out tears where necessary, and a big war began for oil in the Middle East and, by the way, the war de facto does not end so far. A monstrous lie spawned a monstrous massacre with hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded in more than two decades.

So what - option with Galina Pyshnyak from the same series? It turns out that Channel One has given unverified information from a single “witness” to a multi-million audience in the absence of a description of the tragedy from other “eyewitnesses”, in the absence of at least one single frame from the scene, and all this taking into account the fact that in Slavyansk, according to Pyshnyak, there was a large crowd. You can, of course, say that no one has shot such terrible scenes, as people were shocked, but so be it - and why, then, only Pyshnyak alone (no one else) talks about the tragedy, and all the other "witnesses" just refer to her story? If everything that the respondent was talking about in an interview with a Channel One journalist is a lie, then who benefits from it today? Is the “First Channel” really engaged in openly inciting discord and provoking the introduction of Russian troops into the territory of Ukraine?

It is believed that everything is not quite so, or rather, not at all. It seems that the flames of the information war have captured the representatives of the central channels on both sides of the barricades so much that in pursuit of sensation, the channels decide to publish the most incredibleNews". UkroSMI claims that in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa, people themselves burned Molotov cocktails and poisoned them with gas (a sort of mass suicide), that the militias themselves level their relatives' houses with the ground, that Kremlin agents kill Maidan activists in the dark gates. The Russian leading channels fell for this informational provocation (akin to an arms race) and also began to broadcast either what was not at all, or information that needs verification. It turns out that if you look at the interview with Galina Pyshnyak without any far-reaching conclusions, then everything is simple: such an interview seemed to “Channel One” a real information bomb, and this bomb was blown up on the air.

Well, and if all the same publication of the interview - it is not only the chase of the channel for the ratings? In this case, it is worth going back to the episode with the "testimonies" of a Kuwaiti girl "of the ruin by Iraqi soldiers of a maternity hospital in Kuwait." Then this "testimony" served as a powerful impetus for the start of the invasion of American troops. Today, the heart-rending story of a Ukrainian refugee is aimed at the fact that Russia should intervene. If children are crucified and tied to women’s tanks, then surely they should ...

But if the story of the crucifixion of a baby in front of hundreds of citizens has only one “witness”, is it impossible that some forces use such a “witness” with the script offered to him to memorize as a first-class provocateur. What exactly is provoked? Obviously, the introduction of Russian troops. Is it provoked by the Russian side? Hardly. Russia and without more than strange "testimonies" of Mrs. Pyshnyak have enough reasons to send troops (shelling of the territory of the Rostov region with the first victims of what they are worth!), But that's the point: the troops are not being sent, since repetitions are already in the center of Europe the Russian authorities’s Middle Eastern nightmare provoked by Washington (hopefully, for the most part) don’t want to. Victims among the Russians - it's terrible, but how many such victims will there be if Russia is still involved in a big war? There are many other ways to punish the Kiev junta - without entering the Russian army, which is so awaited by the "partners."

Then the conclusion is: the story of the crucifixes of babies can be implanted by those who wish to draw Russia into a bloody adventure. And there are plenty of such today both behind the “big pool” and in the territory of Ukraine itself. One needs to reset trillions of debts, others - to distract people from the further plundering of the country. The external enemy in the person of Russia is needed by both, and therefore it is necessary to be ready for new and new provocative throw-ins.

Of course, all these conclusions do not in any way suggest that ukrosiloviki are white and fluffy. To bombard their own compatriots from multiple rocket launchers, cover them with artillery, mortars, send missiles to kindergartens and hospitals, destroy journalists - all this is a set of serious war crimes for which the guilty will sooner or later be held responsible. But you also need to have your head on your shoulders in order to separate the wheat from the chaff and the flies from the chops against the background of obvious facts. Stories with “devastated maternity hospitals”, ampoules with “anthrax” and all the others from the same provocative series, which turned into a zombie herd of western inhabitants, should not play a similar role in relation to Russians. And the federal media should be more attentive to the stories of “eyewitnesses of crucifixes of babies” or people from the OPS agency (one grandmother said) ... One untested or deceptive material for the viewer can play a much bigger role than a hundred truthful ones, ruining the reputation of the media.

One of the main TV channels of the country does not exactly color the presentation of information, which, at least, requires confirmation. Otherwise, such a channel has all the chances to become an analogue of the Ukrainian mass disinformation ("Ukrainian Krivda"), broadcasting misinformation under the guise of obvious and unbelievable.
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  1. portoc65
    portoc65 14 July 2014 10: 47
    +40
    Bandera during the war struck with their cruelty. They only had the types of executions under 160 .. even the Fritz were shocked by their cruelty. What did you want from the punitive? Generational succession ... They can’t be taken prisoner simply .. They are not human
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 14 July 2014 10: 51
      +59
      An attempt to incite hatred between Russians and Ukrainians has almost succeeded. Now the Anglo-Saxons with the help of such terrible stories make the last shtirihi, because the victims have long been non-staging, as well as mutual hatred ... sad
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 14 July 2014 10: 52
        +67
        Continuation and video in the subject:

        1. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 14 July 2014 11: 29
          +108
          Nevsky_ZU
          With all due respect to you, for your comments and position.
          BUT, in 92 and later, no one believed, did not want to believe, and also refuted the atrocities that were happening in Chechnya in relation to the Russian and Russian-speaking population, not only in Grozny but also in the villages and villages.
          REALITY turned out to be so terrible.
          So if there and then, the gangster rabble of the separatists, coupled with the Wahhabi rabble, created terrible atrocities, then the difference between the PSs and the National Bolsheviks, with the Bandera ideology, the Uniate filling-they have, that the education is different from that of their national ancestors from among the Bandera oh ?
          And is it really a secret that in the gangs of the separatists of the times of Chechnya there were many representatives of the UNA-UNSO, distinguished by rare atrocities?
          Is it a secret that even Dudaev, UNA UNSO detachments, placed detachments of their own Chechen formations as barriers in the rear for various reasons that are not resistant to the actions of the regular army?
          There was or was not a fact told by this woman, there is NO evidence that there was, as well as the opposite, except her testimony, BUT the facts of the murders of women, children, the elderly are more than enough, as well as the shootings of refugees on the roads to the checkpoint in Russia.
          Why be deceived or in some other way "rehabilitate" all this Nazi rabble that is killing People in the South East?
          Someone else, after Odessa, did not understand what they all are, all these formations of the PSs, National Gadgets, and already the Army?
          1. Canep
            Canep 14 July 2014 11: 52
            +36
            Both Nevsky_ZU and vladkavkaz are both right, killing people in eastern Ukraine is in full swing, and the author of the article is right, such information about atrocities needs to be checked. If many people were driven to the square, then why is only one person talking about this? What is happening now in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk is not clear until us practically no information comes. But I think the story of this woman is exaggerated, otherwise the second question arises why the punishers did not shoot witnesses? I think we will get the final answers when international independent observers and investigators appear there.
            1. Dali
              Dali 14 July 2014 12: 01
              +13
              We will get the final answers, of course, but certainly not from "international observers".

              Of course there are more witnesses, only, as I wrote above, without witnesses, it is without those witnesses who will not hide the truth. And so, of course, there are more real witnesses, and not only witnesses, there are participants, respectively !!!

              I can tell you when we will get the answers ... when the dill will be expelled from the SE, when all those who have done these "things" will be taken prisoner ....
              1. Nicholas C.
                Nicholas C. 14 July 2014 16: 27
                +13
                The author is inadequate today. If you have something to refute Channel One - refute. And to talk in vain without having anything but demagoguery behind on such a topic is a very disgusting and vile smelling blasphemy. Is the public burning of people in Odessa Khatyn, the execution of a pregnant woman accompanied by the cheerful, cheering, joyful shouts of Bandera-fascist nonhumans something "better"? Even without knowing anything about this genocide of the Russian world in Ukraine, remember how the Bandera-fascists fought for Hitler. Or is there a lack of knowledge, literacy and humanity?

                Correspondents from Channel One - unlike many of their colleagues, they are professionals and have an education. And already "one hundred million" times there have been, when a foolish opponent rushed at a witness from the program of the same Pimanov, dragged him to court, and then it turned out that the witness was not alone, and there was other evidence.

                Most of the population fled from Slavyansk. Remained, mostly, obviously, completely defenseless, unable to escape, or those who are going to somehow get along with the Ukronazi junta and "met" it. It could have turned out that the family of the militia remained. M. b. himself wounded, others have forgotten. But the fact that the majority of those who remain are simply afraid, knowing and SEE what will happen to them, and do not want to testify publicly, is understandable. Surely, a dozen or two were confirmed not on camera. And this WITNESS clearly calls his last name, first name, where, what. Check your residence permit, and do not talk about the daughters of ambassadors.
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                2. Olia
                  Olia 14 July 2014 20: 01
                  +7
                  I wanted to put "+" as a sign of agreement, but the number of comments was not enough))
                  1. Canep
                    Canep 15 July 2014 05: 36
                    +1
                    Regarding this, there is information from Slavyansk:
                    who will watch do not read further (the execution of the mother and the crucifixion of the child was not, there was the execution of two militias)
                    1. Agamemnon
                      Agamemnon 17 July 2014 00: 18
                      0
                      Could just throw a link to the site, otherwise the guy reads and strains .... The Internet for the blind and not the news ....
                3. Egen
                  Egen 15 July 2014 07: 45
                  +3
                  Quote: Nikolai S.
                  The author today is inadequate. If there is something to refute the First channel - refute. And to indulge in vain without having anything for the soul except demagoguery, on such a topic is a very vile and vile smelling sacrilege.

                  Most importantly - what's the point? I do not understand the position of Russia, do not succumb to provocations ... but what's the point? What does it give?
                  Doesn't it involve Russia in a war on the territory of Ukraine? Well, the war itself will come to the territory of Russia, according to my estimates, in 4-5 years through Ukraine and Kazakhstan. That Russia will be "ready" by this time? So the fascists will be more ready, look at what pace they have developed at the printed green stuff.
                  Maintaining the image and face of Russia as a non-aggressor? And who believes this? The plane crashed - Russia shot down, nobody just listens to another! Well, fascism is that no one remembers the technology of Goebbels propaganda, how was it?
                  In general, just as Russia does not want to or would like to stay clean-handed, this simply does not interest anyone. Everyone believes that Russia has done everything that it is accused of. In these conditions, to prove something to an insane patient is simply stupid. In such cases, it is simply pacified
                4. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 15 July 2014 17: 55
                  +3
                  Communicated on 11.07 with a resident of Donetsk. He asked if the DPR would defend the city at all costs. At the same time I asked about executions, concentration camps, etc.
                  I quote his answer verbatim.
                  “We are expecting the beginning of the siege of Donetsk on Monday and I don’t need such a prospect in FIG. You are clearly getting into a rage. Such sacrifices are justified only if defeat threatens the complete destruction of the population. There is no such prospect from the side of the army coming out with respect to the inhabitants of Donetsk And in sight. For what sake everything smashed? Such ideas of justification of inadequate victims are no less dangerous than fascism. Cool down. You have to understand that there is an information war on both sides
                  and don't get hysterical. This is not true. There are no filter camps. The residents of Donetsk calmly pass through the National Guard posts and no one catches or filters them. This is propaganda, an excess of which, frankly, is a little frustrating.

                  He recently met with his wife and child drove through three checkpoints of dill. On two stood the crests. Gutari on mov and rather politely. On the third there were some frightened Natsiks. They kept the sight on all the time. Someone apparently scared the soldier-full pants. But everything went without excesses.

                  So don't pump up. There are war crimes for which some dill have to answer, but in general, everything is not as scary as it is painted. "
                  1. flamex
                    flamex 15 July 2014 19: 50
                    +2
                    Following your logic, who is more cruel and inhuman, is he right?

                    In the Great Patriotic War, too, there was no need to resist?
                    Before the invasion, the Germans were going to kill only Jews and Gypsies. And only having met fierce resistance, they began to commit atrocities on a much larger scale than they themselves planned. Prior to this, the local population was only going to restrict access to education, medicine, inspire contempt for ourselves, relocate to the Urals, propagate the idea of ​​overpopulation in order to reduce fertility, etc.

                    The current fascists will also confess their love to you and force them to despise themselves (the exaltation of Bandera) in order to get your consent to the deployment of NATO bases. That is, they will force you to act against your own interests, because weakening Russia, they will kill Ukraine (and not only)
                  2. The
                    The 17 July 2014 01: 07
                    -1
                    "So there is no need to escalate. There are war crimes for which some dill must be answered, but in general, everything is not as scary as it is painted.
                5. Agamemnon
                  Agamemnon 17 July 2014 00: 13
                  -1
                  Is it necessary to assume after your words that any even the most delusional information outburst is reliable because:
                  a) "Remember Odessa"
                  b) "genocide"
                  c) "Hitler!"
                  c) And prove the opposite!
                  As practice shows (for example, with Iraq), it is most difficult to show what you do not have. If Iraq, for example, had weapons of mass destruction and were asked to show it, then there would be no problem. But the problem was that there was nothing to show. And now they demand to show the absence of corpses. Like "we do not have photo-video footage of thousands of tortured in Slavyansk, but we know this for sure and Ukraine itself must prove that there are no corpses, but we will not believe it anyway" Have you ever wondered how hard it is to show the ABSENCE of something?
                6. qwest32
                  qwest32 17 July 2014 08: 50
                  +1
                  Quite right - A thorough investigation is needed !!!
                7. qwest32
                  qwest32 17 July 2014 09: 04
                  0
                  So far, only one thing is clear - verification is needed !!!
                  And the 1st channel should be more careful with information after all! Such "fried" facts must first be clarified.
                  Otherwise, there will be punctures that discredit, first of all, Russia itself!
                  UkroSMD have already used this technique - they deliberately throw in a fake, and then, screaming with delight, the whole crowd rushes to "refute" it!
                  No need to help them with this !!!
            2. Dali
              Dali 14 July 2014 12: 01
              +3
              We will get the final answers, of course, but certainly not from "international observers".

              Of course there are more witnesses, only, as I wrote above, without witnesses, it is without those witnesses who will not hide the truth. And so, of course, there are more real witnesses, and not only witnesses, there are participants, respectively !!!

              I can tell you when we will get the answers ... when the dill will be expelled from the SE, when all those who have done these "things" will be taken prisoner ....
            3. Dali
              Dali 14 July 2014 12: 11
              +4
              And it happens ... to intimidate, morally crush ... doesn’t come?
              Secondly, and that the witnesses, who are not "trustworthy" for dill, will run around the dill and shout, we are witnesses, ay, ay ... or they will try to prevent the dill from knowing who else could see it!

              I suggest you turn on the brain ... and consider not only your option !!!
              1. miscellanea
                miscellanea 16 July 2014 08: 03
                +3
                And what about the population all of a sudden the cameras on their cell phones broke? Now it’s a little bit that people fix any garbage on cameras. And here such atrocities and not one was found!
                If in Odessa everyone heard the screams of a woman who were tearing up the soul (and we immediately assumed that it was most likely either raping or breaking the spine) and then found a woman on the table with a broken spine, then this is a fact. If there were shooting there, how they drive charred people through the corridor kicking them is a fact.
                And when they say that all the inhabitants were shot in the village and that corpses were scattered throughout the territory, but there wasn’t a single photo or video, then I at least begin to doubt.
            4. Dali
              Dali 14 July 2014 12: 11
              +1
              And it happens ... to intimidate, morally crush ... doesn’t come?
              Secondly, and that the witnesses, who are not "trustworthy" for dill, will run around the dill and shout, we are witnesses, ay, ay ... or they will try to prevent the dill from knowing who else could see it!

              I suggest you turn on the brain ... and consider not only your option !!!
            5. skeptic
              skeptic 14 July 2014 12: 28
              +9
              Quote: Canep
              But I think the story of this woman is exaggerated, otherwise the second question arises why the punishers did not shoot witnesses?


              Is it difficult for you to believe in the reality of atrocities of ukrobandoty? But Odessa, doesn’t tell you anything? Why shoot witnesses to execution? What is the meaning of an indicative execution without witnesses?

              And the main thing is just in these stories. The task of ukrov, to clean up the territory - horrors, panic is one of the bandits' favorite means. The faster the Southeast becomes depopulated, the faster they will receive bonuses from the rings. Accordingly, rather the West will begin to pump resources.
              1. demon184
                demon184 14 July 2014 13: 18
                +4
                What can I say, I believe this woman 50 / 50, remember how they strangled a pregnant woman in Odessa
                1. DEfindER
                  DEfindER 14 July 2014 16: 19
                  +6
                  Quote: demon184
                  What can I say, I believe this woman 50/50

                  Even knowing perfectly what Bandera people are capable of, I won’t believe one word, without at least one proof .. this probably distinguishes us from the Maydan people ..
                  1. balyaba
                    balyaba 15 July 2014 21: 57
                    +2
                    SK RF works quietly and thoroughly. The time will come - will dot all Y
                  2. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 16 July 2014 11: 32
                    +3
                    Absolutely.
                    Here is the video. Residents of Slavyansk are asked about the execution of a child. Residents are perplexed and say that if this happened, he would know the whole city.
                    http://news.sevas.ua/world/raspyatie_rebenka_v_slavyanske_syuzhet_pervogo_kanala


                    And here are the words Strelkova
                    “But you can deny about the shot mothers. That was not the case.
                    ... Mothers were not shot. And further. Delirium and deliberate provocation - a story about a supposedly crucified three-year-old child in the city center and his mother, who was tied to a tank, this did not happen. "
                2. Olia
                  Olia 14 July 2014 19: 53
                  +2
                  Not only strangled, but also broke the spine (((
                3. miscellanea
                  miscellanea 16 July 2014 08: 21
                  +1
                  Actually, then there was a refutation, then the woman's spine was broken and she was over 50 years old. Just in the pose that she was photographed, she seemed to be pregnant. And screaming when they strangle is generally impossible.
                  Of course, this does not deny the fact of their atrocities and murders in general., but ... but but but ... all the same, you always need to analyze the information yourself!
              2. hrapon
                hrapon 14 July 2014 13: 54
                +3
                [quote] [quote = skeptic] [quote = Canep] But I think the story of this woman is exaggerated, otherwise the second question arises why the punishers did not shoot witnesses? [/ quote]

                Is it difficult for you to believe in the reality of atrocities of ukrobandoty? But Odessa, doesn’t tell you anything? Why shoot witnesses to execution? What is the meaning of an indicative execution without witnesses? [/ Quote]


                The fact that this lady was lying could be seen even through the TV. Vasomotorica betrayed "bad acting". Sick people or those who themselves believe what they say look different. In my opinion, this is a pure provocation to create a pretext - "an example of the dissemination of false information" by our media, in order to refer to this as a lie, and all those numerous reports about the atrocities of the Kiev junta. The counterintelligence officers should work with the lady.
              3. Olia
                Olia 14 July 2014 19: 59
                +1
                I completely agree with you, in addition, it is difficult to imagine in what part the story of a woman can be exaggerated.
                1. Felix200970
                  Felix200970 15 July 2014 19: 16
                  0
                  but in which one. I hope my friend is recognizable?
              4. Olia
                Olia 14 July 2014 19: 59
                0
                I completely agree with you, in addition, it is difficult to imagine in what part the story of a woman can be exaggerated.
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              6. miscellanea
                miscellanea 16 July 2014 08: 13
                +1
                It's hard for me to just believe in words. And I already wrote, one case does not prove another, it's elementary.
                Why should we be like UKROSMI? And act by their methods?
                In the end, I generally hate outright lies in any media (European, USA, etc. - for which, for example, amers do not like it for outright speculation), because then you understand that we are all held for a stupid animal that can be poured anything to the brain. A reasonable person should always be critical of any information and, if possible, check it, and not stupidly "hawala". In the end, we need a head to also think, and not just eat it!
                By the way, I tried to call for Ukrainians in one of the discussions on the forum!
            6. tyler15
              tyler15 14 July 2014 13: 36
              +1
              Well, it's good to be so naive and call international "independent"! from the OSCE all at the same time with these Bendera, because one country feeds them - with different hands. well that you still cannot understand the obvious things!
              1. Vic thor
                Vic thor 14 July 2014 16: 25
                +1
                I never understood why everyone is talking about the "independent experts" of the OSCE. If this is independence from conscience, then yes. Independent.
            7. korablik
              korablik 14 July 2014 15: 22
              +1
              Auntie could add, I stood in the square next to Petrovenko’s neighbor Marvanna and two or three more friends. How to find them. At least two more witnesses. Already a criminal case can be started, and so ...
              1. vladkavkaz
                vladkavkaz 14 July 2014 18: 49
                -1
                korablik EN
                "Auntie could add ..." - AND ANOTHER two or three corpses in the square, because some provocateur Korablik wished to hear the names of the witnesses confirming the crimes of JUNTA.
                One Ship reads sites .....
            8. volot-voin
              volot-voin 14 July 2014 15: 40
              +3
              Quote: Canep
              If many people were driven to the square, then why is only one person talking about this? What is happening now in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk is not clear until us practically no information

              I do not know about the veracity of this particular story, but there are enough atrocities on the conscience of Bandera 2.0. And something like this could well be.
            9. naive1966
              naive1966 15 July 2014 01: 14
              0
              It was an act of extermination and witnesses to punishers
              needed to spread rumors.
            10. Corsair
              Corsair 15 July 2014 07: 25
              +2
              Quote: Canep
              Both Nevsky_ZU and vladkavkaz are both right, killing people in eastern Ukraine is in full swing, and the author of the article is right, such information about atrocities needs to be checked.


              And why not Channel One to do this?

              After all, at other costs, his reputation first of all suffers ...
              I think to find the heroine of the report, and re-interview her, it would not be difficult for such a developed structure as the First ...
              1. Kindof
                Kindof 15 July 2014 23: 05
                +1
                The procedural mechanism is legally established
                Media reports of crimes are the reason for further investigation by law enforcement officers
            11. OlegLex
              OlegLex 15 July 2014 18: 40
              0
              "I think we will get the final answers when international independent observers and investigators appear there."

              This is where you saw the international INDEPENDENT observers. Let's not engage in self-deception. Try to cite at least one fact of independent investigation and publication of such information.

              And the fact that Bendera is able to do this I personally have no doubts, I beat them and I will beat.
            12. miscellanea
              miscellanea 16 July 2014 07: 52
              -1
              And by the way, the question is, why is there not a single shooting, at least on a cell phone?
              In general, one of the theses of manipulation with mass consciousness reads: "The more incredible a lie, the faster they believe in it."
              But it’s very bad when our media falls to the level of Ukrainian media:
              firstly they give weapons against themselves,
              secondly, "who lied once, who will believe you?", why create doubt in the minds of their own citizens and citizens of other countries?
              In general, self-respecting manipulators of consciousness never lower themselves to outright lies, since all the previous works are worthless. Usually used the method of exaggeration or understatement of the real fact, the frequency of repetition and other methods
            13. Viator
              Viator 16 July 2014 10: 30
              0
              In Kramatorsk, it is still relatively calm, this morning I received a message: "everyone is namana, at night somewhere there are hooligans RDGs. They shoot here and there in the fields. They gave water to the city, finally, paid social security benefits to the population. The real war has gone to Donetsk. I haven't heard a word about any repressions in Kramatorsk, although there has been no rumor from Slavyansk for 10 days after the "liberation". Only Christmastide photos of the distribution of bread and sausage by smiling warriors to desperate aborigines. And that's all, it's strange. "
          2. AndreyS
            AndreyS 14 July 2014 12: 10
            +29
            Quote: vladkavkaz
            92 and later, no one believed, did not want to believe, and likewise refuted the atrocities occurring in Chechnya in relation to the Russian and Russian-speaking population, not only in Grozny but also in the villages and villages.
            REALITY turned out to be so terrible.

            You will not believe how short people have memory. In June 1995, I was in the Chechen Republic, in the village of Assinovskaya, passing by, stopped at a market place and heard such a lot from Russian old women that after one of them told about the fate of her family, everyone who listened to this story was ready to rip their throats with their teeth since I can’t forget this old woman, she already covers me with my memories ... Then there were leaflets about the atrocities of the militants, and stories passed on to each other. And if you approach such issues as it appears in the article, then delete yourself from the list of people. And I advise all skeptics to go and listen to this woman themselves and see and decide whether this is true or not. I do not call for the introduction of troops, I urge to listen, watch and remember and not forgive those who commit lawlessness for the atrocities. And do not pour water on their mill, that all this is fake. Journalists filmed and showed the plot, they did not retell, they presented the story of a man. Believe it or not, it’s your right, but you don’t have the right to say that it wasn’t, because you weren’t there ... but it was.
          3. ed65b
            ed65b 14 July 2014 12: 26
            +12
            You are a little wrong, they killed in Chechnya on the basis of nationality and religion. by the way, they killed and slaughtered not only Russians but also the same Chechens. and the militiamen who were burnt alive in Grozny (who had not surrendered the quarter to Waham for almost a week, and surrendered under the oath on the Koran after being left without ammunition and were actually locked in the building) were all Chechens. I don’t believe about atrocity, of course they can kill a man, a woman, but purposefully nail a child with nails - no, I don’t believe it. Until I see a photo of the corpse, eyewitness accounts and the arrested artist.
          4. tomket
            tomket 14 July 2014 13: 49
            +7
            For example, there was a case in Chechnya when militants dressed in Russian uniform burned a boy alive in Grozny alive, a fact that was established for certain, but he did not cause any interest. Tolley did not reach the public, or no one paid attention, well, they burned and burned, if there are too few children dying in the war. The fact that some are critical and will call into question this crime, well, it’s their business, however, there are no grounds for assuming that the Nazis have some remnants of humanity, evening the city with the earth ....
          5. Foxmara
            Foxmara 14 July 2014 16: 05
            +1
            I want to note that you are certainly right that the Nazis certainly deserve the same attitude. But be smarter already. Show the same bestial nature and this will be the best reason for declaring us ALL beasts. The principle is already known. Only the second part of the picture will be shown without the first. Western media will not even lie. How many Russians will pay with life for your desire to give free rein to revenge at all costs? I am aware that I myself was unlikely to be able to remain human in the event of the death of my relatives, but I need to keep my mind, otherwise we will substitute a lot of innocent people and there will be new blood. It must be understood that all our actions will have a consequence. And the consequences are so easy to calculate should be eliminated.

            Catch. Judge. Great process. With a listing of all the atrocities. Most publicly. How did the crafty Jews with the Holocaust. To remember for a long time. They themselves must remain people.
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 14 July 2014 16: 44
              -1
              Greetings, Dmitry! hi
              Look, and here we are again (unexpectedly? - hardly ...) returned to the topic that was discussed at the forum, when there was a rumor that we grounded those casting pods in Odessa ...
              Quote: Foxmara
              But be smarter already. Show the same bestial nature and this will be the best reason for declaring us ALL beasts. The principle is already known. Only the second part of the picture will be shown without the first. Western media will not even lie. How many Russians will pay with life for your desire to give free rein to revenge at all costs?

              Then I wrote to your namesake "Goodmen"
              Quote: Ptah
              Now let's look at what happened through the prism of "long-term consequences".
              This bloody performance has directors. Do not argue about the presence of such? Okay ... And what happened in Odessa is only one of the acts. In the "ideal" ending, active clashes should take place between Russia on the one hand and Ukraine (as an instigator and irritant) and the whole of NATO on the other ...
              This was expected three months ago. But Russia does not bring in troops, does not make decisions like "humanitarian cleansing" like the West does in Kosovo. What to do?
              Sacred sacrifices. Such were the unfortunate people who were lured / driven into the House of Trade Unions. This became an incentive for calls for revenge from the anti-Maidanists. Already not only anti-Maidanists, but all who are not indifferent to human grief. Mostly such in Russia. Their "righteous anger" has boiled, everyone is ready to go to Ukraine to "give what they deserve." Who? Ukrainians? Everyone ???

              What happened, or rather said by an aunt from the same opera ...
              Pump up emotions. Now tortured children are used. Further, according to the law of the genre, it will only be "cooler" ... Alas ...
              Quote: Foxmara
              Catch. Judge. Great process. With a listing of all the atrocities. Most publicly.

              Two months ago, and I talked about the same thing. They were busy ...
              And now I’ll say something like the following.
              Do not take it immediately on faith. Check, understand, incl. and with those who dumped unverified Old in the pursuit of rating, I believe, but otherwise perceive it as an attempt to provoke and aiding the enemy.
              If there was a place to be, then gather evidence and bring to justice the perpetrators of the most brutal images !!! angry hi

              For those who want to think - look here -

              http://nstarikov.ru/blog/39633
          6. Vic thor
            Vic thor 14 July 2014 16: 21
            +3
            The realities of today. If the murder was not posted on YouTube, then it would not be there. Yes, we understand that there is an information war, but it’s ridiculous to draw conclusions about the veracity of information on the presence or absence of footage.
          7. kazak.zp
            kazak.zp 14 July 2014 17: 51
            0
            In my opinion, Nevsky_ZU reasonably explained his suspicions about the veracity of the information, this is a fake. Do you have a photo of shootings of refugees on the roads to the checkpoint in Russia? We are waiting for a photo in the studio.
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          9. strelok93rus
            strelok93rus 14 July 2014 19: 58
            0
            I agree with vladkavkaz completely.
            Information warfare is now very strong. In 92, the Internet was not as developed as it is now. Remember the words of the classics "the word is stronger than the weapon."
            Western Ukrainians still think that the war is with Russia.
            Looks like Timashenko knew that everything had just begun, it was not in vain that she frightened the third revolution. As the Maidan begin to disperse their own, it will be even hotter. Poroshenko with Klitschko stretched out until the fall. And they all understood this, and beyond the hill.
            Foreign classics said "RUSSIA CAN'T UNDERSTAND!"
          10. samuil60
            samuil60 14 July 2014 21: 01
            +2
            Nevsky, I think so too. Firstly, information about the child's crucifixion was passed through the militia channels the day before the interview with this woman. Secondly, what is there to stir up !? Each of the inhabitants of Russia has already compiled for himself that portrait of a Ukrainian, which he has formed either as a result of communication with representatives of this people, or from the ocean of information, from which everyone can now draw - there would be a computer. By the way, we all the time, like an incantation, repeat that they, they say, are not Ukrainians, but Russians, Little Russians. But the trouble is that they consider themselves UKRAINIANS! And no matter what we say, this will be considered a fait accompli! After all, a Russian or a Ukrainian or, say, a Jew is not so much a "voice of blood" as what a person considers himself to be, whose values ​​he is equal to and with what idea he associates himself. Barsanuphius of Optina once said: A German or a Pole can be Russian, but a Pole or French never. "As for the introduction of troops, it seems that even if all the children of Donbass are crucified on crosses (from which defend, God), then in the Kremlin, not a single muscle on his face will flinch.
            1. samuil60
              samuil60 14 July 2014 21: 44
              +3
              I want to correct a typo. Quote: "A German or a Tatar can become a Russian, a French or a Pole - never."
              1. Wheel
                Wheel 15 July 2014 01: 46
                0
                Quote: samuil60
                I want to correct a typo. Quote: "A German or a Tatar can become a Russian, a French or a Pole - never."

                What a categorical you!
                And what do you say, for example, about Rokossovsky?
                Well, or about Emanuel Frantsevich Saint-Prix or Marius Petipa?
                This is so, of the famous ...
            2. Dmitry Toderes
              Dmitry Toderes 15 July 2014 00: 20
              +1
              Quote: samuil60
              Nevsky, I think so too. Firstly, information about the child's crucifixion was passed through the militia channels the day before the interview with this woman. Secondly, what is there to stir up !? Each of the inhabitants of Russia has already compiled for himself that portrait of a Ukrainian, which he has formed either as a result of communication with representatives of this people, or from the ocean of information, from which everyone can now draw - there would be a computer. By the way, we all the time, like an incantation, repeat that they, they say, are not Ukrainians, but Russians, Little Russians. But the trouble is that they consider themselves UKRAINIANS! And no matter what we say, this will be considered a fait accompli! After all, a Russian or a Ukrainian or, say, a Jew is not so much a "voice of blood" as what a person considers himself to be, whose values ​​he is equal to and with what idea he associates himself. Barsanuphius of Optina once said: A German or a Pole can be Russian, but a Pole or French never. "As for the introduction of troops, it seems that even if all the children of Donbass are crucified on crosses (from which defend, God), then in the Kremlin, not a single muscle on his face will flinch.


              Everything is correct. Many non-Russians by blood (by genes) become Russians after Russian culture takes root in them. Here is an example: The very same thing happened with Siberia - Siberia was not Russian from the very beginning, but now Siberia is Russian and will be like that forever.
          11. O_RUS
            O_RUS 15 July 2014 07: 47
            +1
            Quote: vladkavkaz
            at 92 and later, no one believed


            Have you been to this site http://www.warchechnya.ru/?
          12. Avalon
            Avalon 15 July 2014 16: 48
            0
            The question is brewing: how did Galina Pyshnyak, as a witness, get to the Rostov Region, how did she and her child walk past the checkpoints? This is taking into account the fact that the other witnesses "did not shoot", "they are afraid to lay out" ...
          13. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 15 July 2014 17: 41
            -1
            Galina Pyshnyak says that she is a refugee from Slavyansk and the execution was committed on Lenin Square.
            So, in Slavyansk there is no such area.
            I wish everyone to critically evaluate propaganda, both ours and Ukrainian. Propaganda, in principle, was not created to convey information or, especially, truth.
            A few days ago I turn on Ren-TV and see the announcement - Ukrainian punishers captured the village, killed all the men, raped all the women. INFORMATION CHECKED.
            Sorry, but maybe you will first check the information, and then you will issue such announcements?
            Moreover, with the announcement it was all over.
            Fake turned out to be the story of the shooting of the wounded in the hospital of the Red Estuary.
            A joint group of human rights defenders, Russian and Ukrainian, went there.
            But even Putin voiced this fake as a real fact.
            Now watching Vesti24. Great material about phosphorous ammunition. The material ends like this - now scientists are researching the materials brought. The result will be in 4 days.
            Sorry, why are you in such a hurry? It was impossible to give material with facts and expert confirmation?
            1. BEGGAR
              BEGGAR 15 July 2014 22: 41
              0
              So, in Slavyansk there is no such area
              There is Lenin Square
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 16 July 2014 08: 55
                -1
                No, dear comrade.
                The central square is called the October Revolution. There is a street of Lenin. But there is no such area. You can look at the Yandex map
        2. Kernokol19
          Kernokol19 14 July 2014 11: 51
          +1
          Thanks for the clarification, a lot fell into place
          1. Perch_xnumx
            Perch_xnumx 14 July 2014 13: 43
            +22
            There are reports that militia families are being shot.
            A militia lynx shot his mother.
            There were reports of atrocities in the village of Saurovka, executions in the village of Dyakovo.
            In the village of Georgievka entertainment for the sake of the Nazis, the guard shot a 6 year old child.
            An un respectable professor will tell you that these are de terrorists.
            I would rather call the terrorists Jews from the kibbutzim who fought with the Arabs for independence.
            The terrorists came, they seized the land and kill the Arabs.

            You will still tell us "not to give in to provocations," they want to drag us into the war.
            Yeah, they’re already killing on growing up. territory grew citizens with shells.
            What's next?
            Volley of hail?
            There is no river - 1001 concern.
            It is impossible to suppress a firing point remotely?
            Set up ballistic reconnaissance stations and quickly set the point apart with a pair of shells.
            So what kind of a bunch of politicians is asked - oligarchs are needed at all if they shake more at their bills and capital than at their voters.
            This is a shame and loss of trust, which you can’t buy later, you won’t restore your reputation.
            1. jonh
              jonh 14 July 2014 14: 16
              +4
              this is the right decision. ballistic reconnaissance stations. and whoever fired the ammunition, let him receive it in return. how the Turks hit Syria. they didn’t really think who released the ammunition. they fired back at the area from where the shells were fired.
            2. Vic thor
              Vic thor 14 July 2014 16: 29
              +3
              "So what is the question of all this bunch of politicians - oligarchs are needed at all, if they shake more at their accounts and capital than at their voters.
              This is a shame and loss of trust, which you cannot buy later, you cannot restore your reputation. "
              I will subscribe to every word!
            3. Harin Oleg
              Harin Oleg 14 July 2014 22: 45
              0
              No rivers - 1001 concern
              Trouble ...
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            5. Dmitry Toderes
              Dmitry Toderes 15 July 2014 00: 27
              +2
              Quote: Perch_1
              There are reports that militia families are being shot.
              A militia lynx shot his mother.
              There were reports of atrocities in the village of Saurovka, executions in the village of Dyakovo.
              In the village of Georgievka entertainment for the sake of the Nazis, the guard shot a 6 year old child.
              An un respectable professor will tell you that these are de terrorists.
              I would rather call the terrorists Jews from the kibbutzim who fought with the Arabs for independence.
              The terrorists came, they seized the land and kill the Arabs.

              You will still tell us "not to give in to provocations," they want to drag us into the war.
              Yeah, they’re already killing on growing up. territory grew citizens with shells.
              What's next?
              Volley of hail?
              There is no river - 1001 concern.
              It is impossible to suppress a firing point remotely?
              Set up ballistic reconnaissance stations and quickly set the point apart with a pair of shells.
              So what kind of a bunch of politicians is asked - oligarchs are needed at all if they shake more at their bills and capital than at their voters.
              This is a shame and loss of trust, which you can’t buy later, you won’t restore your reputation.


              Everything is right! That’s just the way it is. Respond to provocations remotely, without getting involved, without bringing troops into the walk-field (Ukraine) - fortunately, the Russian army has all the resources. It is necessary to respond to provocations. How else? Is it possible to evacuate everyone from the western outskirts of the territory of the Rostov region with the strengthening of border patrols? Well, of course, patrols need to be strengthened (they seem to be already reinforced), but if our leadership does not chew on the snot, then you can simply destroy all the provocateurs and do not need to evacuate anyone - it will be difficult to pick up new suicide bombers.
            6. Kindof
              Kindof 15 July 2014 23: 16
              0
              Ballistic answering machine + 1000
        3. vivtas
          vivtas 14 July 2014 12: 02
          +11
          I fully support this commentary on the story on Channel One. Yesterday my wife, having watched this story, called me in tears and began to curse the Ukrainians. after that, she simply began to fear for herself and for our little children. except that "we live in Siberia" I could not console her with anything.
          if I am not mistaken, this citizen, in addition to the story about the execution of a three-year-old child, also told that her own mother from western Ukraine abandoned her. apparently it is really necessary to filter this kind of information on TV. it is possible that such refugees are agents of the SBU. and their goal is simple - on the one hand, to sow fear and hatred, and on the other, to try to create for the Russian leadership blatant humanitarian grounds for an urgent military invasion of Donbass. However, I will make a reservation that it is possible that this refugee herself became a victim of the "urban legend", about which for some reason she suddenly began to narrate in the first person.
          1. Homo
            Homo 14 July 2014 12: 39
            -4
            Quote: vivtas
            Yesterday my wife, having watched this story, called me in tears and began to curse the Ukrainians. after that, she simply began to fear for herself and for our little children. except that "we live in Siberia" I could not console her with anything.

            Do not take it for a personal insult, but it’s time for your wife to visit a psychiatrist.
          2. FC SKIF
            FC SKIF 14 July 2014 13: 01
            +1
            It seems to me that this is even too much for ukrov. It's one thing to quietly kill a bunch of people, and then burn them in a crematorium, and another thing like that, in public ... Although after Odessa everything can be expected. If this is true, then we will soon hear confirmation from other witnesses. A friend from Slavyansk wrote that they were not just pressed there, but literally cut. I didn’t get in touch anymore. So I don’t know, the brain refuses to perceive much. The truth will come up, then everything will be clear
          3. FC SKIF
            FC SKIF 14 July 2014 13: 01
            +2
            It seems to me that this is even too much for ukrov. It's one thing to quietly kill a bunch of people, and then burn them in a crematorium, and another thing like that, in public ... Although after Odessa everything can be expected. If this is true, then we will soon hear confirmation from other witnesses. A friend from Slavyansk wrote that they were not just pressed there, but literally cut. I didn’t get in touch anymore. So I don’t know, the brain refuses to perceive much. The truth will come up, then everything will be clear
          4. BEGGAR
            BEGGAR 15 July 2014 22: 45
            -2
            , which for some reason suddenly began to narrate in the first person
            slave of the green serpent, judging by the face of the face
          5. andrew42
            andrew42 16 July 2014 09: 48
            0
            Minus, definitely. "Outrageous grounds" - 10 trains and 3 steamers. The Russian leadership lacks political will to protect the Russian (!) And Ukrainian population of Donbass. There is a fact that Russia, the state of the main living, well, Russians, does not consider it necessary to protect compatriots in other parts of the world, and not only in points, but also in vast territories. They are of the "not citizens" type. Conclusion- Russia is not for Russians? It looks like VVP has forgotten the Russian marches, prefers to communicate with the rabbis and broadcast throughout Russia. There are no non-national states, there are multinational states, mono-national ones. And the rest is "chimera". Read Gumilyov and draw conclusions.
        4. cdrt
          cdrt 14 July 2014 12: 40
          +4
          Here is Shariy - the only sane in this stream of shit and lies from dill and Ross TV.
          Well done.
        5. g1v2
          g1v2 14 July 2014 13: 29
          +3
          Only yesterday on this info koment wrote. It is no good to be like dill and publish all sorts of fakes.
        6. tomket
          tomket 14 July 2014 13: 59
          +8
          Dear Mr. Nevsky, you smashed the falsifiers of this shocking story to smithereens, well, just with an iron (like ten "Bismarcs") argument. (Or not, like five "Yamato" and three more "Nimitz" on top, so much iron in your argument0. And your logic is peasant, muzhik, simple, which cuts the truth like a man knocks a forest with an ax. But what am I talking about? - the woman KNOWS THE AGE OF THE CHILD BUT DOES NOT KNOW THE NAME !!!! Tell me, do you often see children in your life? If so, can you tell a ten-year-old from a three-year-old at a glance ??? Or they are creatures for you whose age you can only find out by meeting Forgive me, in your argument, there is no more truth than in the story of these women.Advice, if you are tormented by doubts, then go to Slavyansk and arrange the interrogation of the population and the Natsiks with addiction, but do not pour out the stream of your consciousness on our heads.
        7. rubin6286
          rubin6286 14 July 2014 14: 10
          +2
          Everything that this woman said on Channel 1 is true. This is Channel One of a great country, and not some mouthpiece of Kalomoisky. It broadcasts only verified information. The "Right Sector" and the National Guard, together with foreign mercenaries, are really committing massive atrocities and humiliations against the civilian population of the Jurassic and southeastern Ukraine. Nobody pits us against the Banderaites, we have been pitched against them for a long time, since 1941. Soon it will become clear to the whole world where the lie is, who is lying and for what.
          1. CGKS
            CGKS 14 July 2014 15: 16
            +6
            This is the first channel of a great country and it cannot provide information different from the official point of view of the channel’s leadership (i.e., the Russian government)
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 16 July 2014 09: 10
              0
              Oh really?
              I want to remind you on August 7th. Only the first reports of the beginning of the Georgian army. On the first channel, a muddy stream is disinfecting.
              900 killed civilians. Georgian tanks chase and crush pregnant women. People have their heads cut off. The soldiers threw grenades at the cellar with the children. "Georgian soldiers are worse than SS men."
              Almost everything turned out to be just fiction.
              The figures for civilian casualties were announced by the Investigative Committee and they are many times lower, and for all days of hostilities. But this does not prevent the first channel in the films about August 7 from brazenly repeating its lies. And what - nobody was punished. Lies are kind of like ours, "patriotic".
              But Ossetians believed and took revenge on the inhabitants of the Georgian enclave, acting very cruelly.
        8. ultra
          ultra 14 July 2014 14: 16
          +4
          I agree one hundred percent, federal channels do not have the right to distribute this kind of information without being 1000% sure of it! hi
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          2. Harin Oleg
            Harin Oleg 14 July 2014 22: 55
            +2
            A lie has to be terrible to be believed. Classics of the genre. And who cares who feeds the journalist. As the saying goes: "Whoever eats a girl, dances her." And the representatives of the second oldest profession are no different from the representatives of the first oldest, wherever they are - on the First, on the Second, on "1 + 1", "2x2", "Inter" - there is no difference.
        9. strelok93rus
          strelok93rus 14 July 2014 19: 41
          0
          The usual information war, in which ours also began to fight, by the same methods as the Ukrainian media.
          Brew porridge which Ukrainians already can’t dissipate themselves.
          Today Avakov announced the Maydanovites a FSB project.
          Everything is very logical, everyone who brought them to power tried to send them to the maximum to the war, for which you yourself understand that they would be killed but not with their own hands. One battalion was already returning with the predyav. They gave what they asked and sent on to slaughter. More than 50% of those who participated in the Maidan died in the massacre. There are very few witnesses left. The war will write everything off.
          They will kill the maximum, a truce will be announced.
          The number one task was to draw Russia into the war. From the Ukrainian side it did not work, they began to pour fire on our side. On Friday, someone blurted out that Russia would use highly accurate weapons - today Geletey already said that ours shot down a plane.
        10. With Petrovsky
          With Petrovsky 14 July 2014 20: 35
          0
          Maybe this ukropovsky Makarevich believes that the war for New Russia is contrived. Bastard.
        11. ibnvladimir
          ibnvladimir 16 July 2014 14: 56
          0
          need to check both videos
        12. qwest32
          qwest32 17 July 2014 09: 07
          -1
          Very carefully, what else can I say?
          Let the 1st channel, and other Russian media outlets also rely on this source! )))
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 14 July 2014 11: 03
        +5
        not hate - dislike, which is already over 200 years old! still the grandmother told me: - ah, this one, - ho.h.o.l. venal ... and I have the very grandchildren ...
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak 14 July 2014 11: 10
        +22
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        An attempt to incite hatred between Russians and Ukrainians has almost succeeded


        You can see right away that you are not in Ukrainian forums. Here is a typical comment in Ukrainian truth.

        The game of war games must be ended immediately, for this it is necessary to declare martial law there and to call up all persons aged 19 to 45 years in the army and the National Guard and the command should be from the western and central regions and punished for desertion and not fulfilling the order according to the laws of martial law. Only in this region can local residents be taught to respect the laws and the country called Ukraine.

        But generally funny article Sevastopol - a place of Ukrainian glory. About ukrainian u krimskiy vіynі

        There is no understanding between us, and there never has been. We in the USSR for most were Muscovites and Katz-py
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 14 July 2014 11: 39
          -1
          Quote: Vadivak
          and the command should be from the western and central regions and for desertion and failure to fulfill the order, punish according to the laws of martial law

          it with
          Quote: Vadivak
          There is no understanding between us, and there never has been. We in the USSR for most were Muscovites and Katz-py

          this does not fit ...
          And it didn't fit at all ... until an "unlimited media war" was declared since Maydanutyh times. Sluggish, fueled by gas and trade wars and attempts by the Westerners (extremely stupid in this matter) were ..
        2. Dali
          Dali 14 July 2014 12: 07
          +4
          In the USSR, for Westerners, yes, for Westerners, it was ... but not for the majority.
        3. Dali
          Dali 14 July 2014 12: 07
          0
          In the USSR, for Westerners, yes, for Westerners, it was ... but not for the majority.
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        5. Harin Oleg
          Harin Oleg 14 July 2014 23: 04
          +1
          There are no Russians in Ukraine, no fraternal people, and never has been. There are Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine, such as the same HHL who ate at night, under the covers, fat from the parcels. And whatever we do for them, we will never be brothers for them, we should not deceive ourselves.
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      5. mirag2
        mirag2 14 July 2014 11: 16
        +10
        Of the Russian major media outlets, Channel One is as hysterical as Kurginyan is for the old school jingoistic patriots.
        "VGTRK" -not lying, BUT, it happens, does not say, when the dill was handed out food in Slavyansk, they showed that they gave only bread and water, in fact, they gave both sausage and vegetables.
        But all the same, in our mass media there is much more truth than the FULL lie of ukROSMI, all the more so for stupid ragules.
        "Channel One" I am not very much, for me, who previously called many here "hurray-patriots" and "shapkozakidatel" this is too much, like Kurginyan. I am still not over 60, but under 50.
        1. bergberg
          bergberg 14 July 2014 12: 57
          +3
          You yourself believe what you write! The Nazis fed the inhabitants whom they hate so fiercely with sausage !? I saw from the photo that they were teasing the residents with this kalbas who got out of the cellars without food and water. Do you believe your words !? When the Ukropov soldiers themselves complain on video that they do not have enough food and are fed with rotten bread-water in the internet. And you mean these non-people will feed the "quilted jackets and Colorado" cheese, butter and sausage, but you are infidel!
          1. volot-voin
            volot-voin 14 July 2014 13: 12
            +4
            Quote: bergberg
            Natsik fed the inhabitants whom they so fiercely hate sausage!?

            Several residents could be fed on the TV set. Let the soldiers eat moldy bread, but on TV they will show how they "love the inhabitants of Slavyansk" and are fed with sausage and caviar. One thing behind the scenes, another on TV.
          2. mirag2
            mirag2 14 July 2014 13: 31
            +3
            No need to "poke", I'm also talking about what I see on the network and TV, I was not in Slavyansk, but I saw the distribution of food on the network, and the same video as on VGTRK, but to the end.
            Or you, as a troll need to find a link?
            Why should I compose? If I dill, maybe I hate yours more?
            Who can show me that I praised them at least one iota?
          3. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 14 July 2014 14: 43
            -1
            Quote: bergberg
            Ensign
            bergberg RU Today, 12:57 ↑

            You yourself believe what you write! Natsik fed the inhabitants whom they so fiercely hate sausage!?

            At one time, the nomads had been tortured, put in a hole and fed with one meat. Man eventually perished. Maybe they decided to destroy the Slavs like that?
      6. Alekseev
        Alekseev 14 July 2014 11: 20
        +5
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        An attempt to incite hatred between Russians and Ukrainians has almost succeeded.

        That's right!
        Who's to blame? Weren't they themselves inflamed: "who does not jump ... on knives ...", with hatred?
        Others stood silent or giggled in a rag. Well, they, too ..., did not fall for it.
        What to do, what to do?
        The recipe is simple - repent, atone for sins.
        Atonement is possible only through suffering. Yes
        As for the crucified child, it is most likely a disinformation.
        But during the civil war and other terrible cases, it will (and probably already was) be enough.
        These are the inevitable terrible companions of fierce fighting.
        "There is a war - a soldier is at war, the enemy is fierce - he himself fights."
      7. Starfish
        Starfish 14 July 2014 11: 24
        +1
        but I wonder - who is Galina Pyshnyak? maybe she’s just mentally abnormal? maybe it was even normal, but the turmoil of recent months has torn her roof? after all, there is even such a medical phenomenon as traumatic insanity — when a person breaks his leg, for example, and in the hospital he has a bad headache for some time. and overwhelmingly this happens to women, especially over 40 years of age.
        1. creak
          creak 14 July 2014 11: 55
          +1
          On the topic - if I’m not mistaken in March, a story about a certain A. Petkov was treated on several federal channels, who was being treated in a hospital in Ukraine and gave several interviews ... On one channel he passed as a German mercenary, on the other as a person who came to to help the militias with their own money ... Later, from an interview with his relative it turned out that A. Petkov was just a schizophrenic ...
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        5. Dali
          Dali 14 July 2014 12: 24
          +5
          However, they have already written about this here and I also agree, but only with the fact that the information is 100% unverified, and nothing more.

          And everything else just fits very well in the ideology of the fascist Bendera !!!

          Or did you forget the events of World War II? !!!
          Maybe you don’t believe about Odessa, and in Odessa a pregnant woman strangled herself? !!!

          Do you want me to tell you why you say that ????
        6. Dali
          Dali 14 July 2014 12: 24
          0
          However, they have already written about this here and I also agree, but only with the fact that the information is 100% unverified, and nothing more.

          And everything else just fits very well in the ideology of the fascist Bendera !!!

          Or did you forget the events of World War II? !!!
          Maybe you don’t believe about Odessa, and in Odessa a pregnant woman strangled herself? !!!

          Do you want me to tell you why you say that ????
      8. Ascetic
        Ascetic 14 July 2014 11: 43
        +3
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        An attempt to incite hatred between Russians and Ukrainians has almost succeeded.


        Konstantin Lvovich Ernst The main organizer of the zombie population on Channel One since 1991.

        His words come back a few years ago
        “I made a sole personal decision that from the first of January 2011, our channel will begin to speak only the truth, - said K. Ernst. - Perhaps for this I will be removed from office and fabricated a criminal case. But while I’m heading the channel, I won’t put on the air any more usual positive jeans about Putin, Medvedev and their accomplices. ”

        Well ? Where is the truth ? It’s time to answer for the bazaar, otherwise you’ve stayed at the boy’s feeder ...
        No other media picked up this fake.
        1. DOMINO100
          DOMINO100 14 July 2014 13: 38
          0
          here it is rightly noticed !!! Sorry for being rude, but in the West, not all donkeys are in the media either! They are also independent and who are in the opposition. They would certainly have trumpeted, even come personally to Slavyansk. They would have interviewed 10-20-100 witnesses. !!!
          so I personally don’t believe it. you write about Odessa. yes there was such a mess there, besides people, these animals and theirs were put in a lot there. They didn’t let anyone into the premises, only everyone saw the terrible result. here, in the square, with a heap people. yes, for a long time this video would have been walking on YouTube. there would have been at least one who took a minute to the phone.
        2. Luzhichanin
          Luzhichanin 14 July 2014 14: 08
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          No other media picked up this fake.

          Unfortunately, fakes still give out, but with varying success.
          SMRAD, that from Ernst, that from someone else is nothing more than a machine that fulfills the will of the owners.

          I will not even write about hidden propaganda, "soft power" of debauchery on the first channel, with an ever increasing accustoming to Western values, especially at night.
        3. mirag2
          mirag2 14 July 2014 14: 13
          +2
          Lord, you are from another planet!Each channel is designed for a specific audience. Now I watch "Shuster Liv, for 11.07.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX" - well, you can see with the naked eye how the program is being built, I will not write clever words from the field of psychology and behavior - in short, NLP techniques to a mild degree.
        4. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 14 July 2014 14: 45
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          “I made a sole personal decision that from January 2011, XNUMX, our channel will begin to speak only the truth,” said K. Ernst.

          The method of exceptions means, before that, they definitely lied.
      9. cdrt
        cdrt 14 July 2014 12: 35
        0
        The flame of the information war burned out first the conscience, then the brain of the propagandists of proto-Ukrainian media, and, as this case showed, of the workers of the "Kiselev propaganda".
        In general, not surprising.
      10. tomket
        tomket 14 July 2014 14: 14
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        An attempt to incite hatred between Russians and Ukrainians has almost succeeded.

        I can’t get it, do you have flowers blooming around, birds singing, the sky is blue, and Russians and Ukrainians drink vodka side by side? Are you in Russia or on the moon? Now for the Ukrainians a more fierce enemy than the Russian generally don’t find
      11. FC SKIF
        FC SKIF 14 July 2014 23: 08
        0
        There is one person from that side in captivity. Familiar
        says it was like that. Himself in A.U.U.
      12. WKS
        WKS 16 July 2014 10: 10
        -1
        I, in contrast to the author of the article, did not see the incitement to hatred in the fact that the "first" showed this woman's interview. Maybe she really has a shift ... But there are objective reasons for this. The 21st century is outside the window, and the Ukrainian army is shooting its own citizens from all types of weapons. From this you will move yourself. After all, not so long ago even Putin was indignant at the pictures, where before the outbreak of hostilities howitzers, hailstones, tanks, etc. were driving in columns. And now all this is shooting at children and women. Obama and he has already gone crazy in his stubbornness, and here is a weak woman ...
      13. varela
        varela 16 July 2014 22: 46
        -1
        What does the Anglo-Saxons have to do with it?
        If our already lie, shame ...
    2. Giant thought
      Giant thought 14 July 2014 11: 01
      +4
      All the same, one witness’s story would not have been enough, as an argument, to send in Russian troops, and for the international tribunal for crimes against humanity these testimonies would have suited.
      1. lexxxus
        lexxxus 14 July 2014 11: 09
        +7
        Indeed, this interview immediately aroused my doubts. Moreover, on the network I saw another interview of this refugee for the first channel, but there she spoke exclusively in mov, not a word in Russian. Of course, I do not refute anything, but such terrible stories should first be checked for authenticity, and only then presented to a wide audience.

        With all this, they do not say anything about this on other channels ...
        1. Dali
          Dali 14 July 2014 12: 30
          -3
          However, they have already written about this here and I also agree, but only with the fact that the information is 100% verified, and nothing more.

          And everything else just fits very well in the ideology of the fascist Bendera !!!

          Or did you forget the events of World War II? !!!
          Maybe you don’t believe about Odessa, and in Odessa a pregnant woman strangled herself? !!!

          And again ... they already wrote here, this is an interview with a woman ... to believe or not your business.

          But to check, of course it would not hurt, just do not tell me how ?! For example, I know ... but do you know ?!

          ... do you want me to tell you why you say that ????
          1. aleks2014
            aleks2014 14 July 2014 23: 28
            -2
            Gentlemen bloggers, you may not be aware of how actors of this kind stupidly cut the loot, for the loot of betrayal is invisible, earlier a sexot and a provocateur from intelligent people could get in the face and it looked noble, today you will be called dill and Bandera, so this lady is a sexot fulfilling her "thirty pieces of silver". As for Odessa, there was an ordinary drug den in the House of Trade Unions, for betrayal they paid a "dose", and when a little "naughty" started and, out of fright, sweeping up traces of the laboratory, they set fire to materials (acetone, ammonia ...) in a confined space, the effect of an overdose was fatal. Regarding the murder of a pregnant woman, there was a case during a robbery of an exchange office in Odessa (strangulation, a fracture of the spine) and no politics. So, "Flies separately, cutlets separately."
        2. Dali
          Dali 14 July 2014 12: 30
          -1
          However, they have already written about this here and I also agree, but only with the fact that the information is 100% verified, and nothing more.

          And everything else just fits very well in the ideology of the fascist Bendera !!!

          Or did you forget the events of World War II? !!!
          Maybe you don’t believe about Odessa, and in Odessa a pregnant woman strangled herself? !!!

          And again ... they already wrote here, this is an interview with a woman ... to believe or not your business.

          But to check, of course it would not hurt, just do not tell me how ?! For example, I know ... but do you know ?!

          ... do you want me to tell you why you say that ????
        3. tomket
          tomket 15 July 2014 00: 21
          -1
          and in what language do you think a refugee from Ukraine should speak? in Chinese???
      2. atalef
        atalef 14 July 2014 14: 33
        -1
        Quote: Thought Giant
        and for an international tribunal for crimes against humanity, this testimony would have been appropriate.

        Of course, there is no evidence required.
        1. builder
          builder 14 July 2014 16: 15
          0
          Explain your point please
          1. Kindof
            Kindof 15 July 2014 23: 28
            0
            Explanation of the trial of Slobodan Milosevic at the Hague Tribunal
        2. Shaber
          Shaber 16 July 2014 00: 26
          0
          Something you forgot about Milosevic ((When it is needed, and when it is not necessary no ??? NU NU
        3. Shaber
          Shaber 16 July 2014 00: 26
          0
          Something you forgot about Milosevic ((When it is needed, and when it is not necessary no ??? NU NU
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    4. Момент
      Момент 14 July 2014 11: 05
      +3
      The State Department opened a school in Ukraine, how to work on unverified data, lie and not blush. Moreover, all "methods are good."
    5. SS68SS
      SS68SS 14 July 2014 11: 17
      +6
      Quote: portoc65
      Bandera during the war struck with their cruelty. They only had the types of executions under 160 .. even the Fritz were shocked by their cruelty. What did you want from the punitive? Generational succession ... They can’t be taken prisoner simply .. They are not human



      I agree that they are creatures. But it is also unforgivable for our first TV channels to pour terrible "news" on the heads of tens of millions of Russians without checking the facts ...
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 14 July 2014 11: 29
        +4
        "I agree that they are creatures. But our first TV channels also find it unforgivable to pour terrible" news "on the heads of tens of millions of Russians without checking the facts ..."

        so who runs this First Channel is Kostya Yoprst, who’s the main TV analyst, Volodya Pizdner. the channel’s policy is to spoil stealthily. and this interview with this Pyshnyak - except as wrecking can not be called.
        1. Kindof
          Kindof 15 July 2014 23: 37
          0
          Speaking of birds ...
          I recalled two scandals initiated last spring by Posner and Urgant (then I was outraged):
          one verbally lowered the Ukrainians at some ceremony (they awarded him something in Kiev ...)
          another - in the SMAK program, he compared how he chopped cabbage with the arrival of the Red Commissars in the Ukrainian village ...

          So the ground for driving a wedge between the Ukrainians and the Russian "stars" of the first channel has already been probed ..
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    7. armageddon
      armageddon 14 July 2014 12: 22
      +2
      Hmm ... One ANSWER !!! Natsikov DESTROY WITHOUT Doubt and Pity ... !!! There are simply NO options !!!
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 14 July 2014 16: 49
        +1
        Quote: Armagedon
        NAZIKOV DESTROY WITHOUT Doubt and Pity

        But what about their "popularly elected" leaders with dual citizenship? Destroy with doubt and pity?
    8. Stalin8175
      Stalin8175 14 July 2014 13: 41
      +1
      Well, this is not a reason to become like Ukrainian media and openly misinform the public. Moreover, Channel 1 is the main information source for the population of the outback, which means that this disinformation is designed to form an opinion in the regions by the autumn aggravation.
    9. ultra
      ultra 14 July 2014 15: 37
      +4
      14.07.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX. Message from the militias of Slavyansk.

      In the vicinity of Slavyansk partisans are actively working, terrifying ukrofashistov.
      It is worth noting that the supposedly victorious mood of the Ukrainian military in Slavyansk is nothing but the bravado of all kinds of scum like Poroshenko and Lyashko. Ukrovoyaki actually walk and look around, especially in the dark! By the way, there is a punishment in the Slavyansk garrison: the guilty are sent to night duty on the outskirts of the city, that is, to roadblocks. And this, as the last few nights show, is a sure death!
      So, for example, all last night (from Saturday to Sunday) our partisan groups processed the positions of the ukrovs in the area of ​​Krasny Molochar and Yasnogorka. All night long one-sided explosions, machine-gun and mortar rounds were heard. We do not know exactly how many "two hundredths" are among the punishers, but, according to our intelligence, about 10 "two hundredths" have been confirmed. Plus - several pieces of destroyed equipment.
      In the area of ​​SATU (Slavic Aviation Technical School) they plan to build something voluminous, similar to a hangar. Most likely, this structure will be used to store equipment or ammunition and weapons, because in the city they plan to equip a punitive military garrison.
      By the way, in the hostel where the punishers settled, ordinary people previously lived, temporarily leaving the city during the war. Will they be able to return to their apartments - the question: the development area is cordoned off. In any case, using the city’s sleeping bag plus a large football pitch for this type of concrete construction is an insanity that only a fascist junta can think of.
      Ukrainians are not going to stabilize the situation in Slavyansk, at least repair something ... Almost all the transformers were bombed. And the punishers do not care - they did come with powerful generators. Thus, we are more than confident that the goal of the Ukrainian fascists is to get rid of the civilian population from the city, turning it into a kind of landfill and transshipment point.
      In fact, there is a problem not only leaving the city, but also entering! That is, people with a Slavic registration (there are data on several) who are trying to return, simply are not allowed into their homes.
      And what about the executed mothers can deny. This was not. Just someone came up to heat up the situation. 5 July they shot two militias. I do not know if you already have this video. But the bodies were immediately taken away ...
      On July 6, another militia was shot: his body lay exponentially under the city post office on 3 of the day. Then they took ... Mothers were not shot. And further. Nonsense and deliberate provocation of ukrov - a story about an allegedly crucified three-year-old child in the city center and his mother, who was tied to a tank, this was not.
    10. Ivan Kalinovich
      Ivan Kalinovich 14 July 2014 15: 47
      0
      this woman never lived in Slavensk, she was a zapadenka married to a former Berkutian from Donetsk, he has a bad temper, often beat her, today there was a refutation from the Slavic partisans in Russian Spring !!!
    11. Foxmara
      Foxmara 14 July 2014 15: 58
      +2
      That is why they must be taken prisoner and judged publicly. We have no right to become the same
    12. brelok
      brelok 14 July 2014 19: 05
      0
      post stat stat minus! There really is not clean! Look what srach is in ukrosmi! They cheated all the relatives and the woman herself! This info has already slipped more than once. Yesterday the Nazis shot and killed a 6-year-old child. Everything seems to be true
    13. His
      His 14 July 2014 23: 20
      0
      How did the young guard die in Krasnodon? There is documentary evidence of their tragic death with a description of the bodies.
  2. klimpopov
    klimpopov 14 July 2014 10: 49
    +8
    (shelling of the territory of the Rostov region with the first victims of what are!)

    This is not just an excuse, but an REASON! And flights to our territory of aircraft? It is terrible to imagine what the states would do in our place, although it is impossible to compare situations ...

    So shi is not so easy to look from the couch ...
    1. Stalin8175
      Stalin8175 14 July 2014 13: 45
      +1
      Apparently, we have not determined the level of tolerance for Ukrainian Wishlist, or this level is very specific and requires more flagrant actions from the Ukrainian side in relation to our territory and population.
  3. PRN
    PRN 14 July 2014 10: 51
    +14
    What Bandera did in 1940-50 shows that crucifying a child is a common thing for them.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 July 2014 10: 57
      +17
      Quote: PRN
      What Bandera did in 1940-50 shows that crucifying a child is a common thing for them.

      On August 30, 1943, an UPA gang commanded by Ivan Klimchak nicknamed Lysy cut out the Polish village of Volya Ostrovetskaya. The Rezuns killed 529 people, including 220 children. The Pole Heinrich Klok miraculously survived that day, he was wounded and was mistaken for a dead man. Next to him, over the corpse of a resident of the village of Maria Yesinyuk, her 5-year-old son sat, and asked his mother to go home. 5-year-old child could not understand, then the mother is no more. A Bandera man came up to the boy and killed him with a shot in the head.

      The logic of genocide - children should not be left alive. Ukrainian Nazis from the UPA learned this from the Germans. The same leader of the Lysy gang, who had cut out the village of Volya Ostrovetskaya, was a policeman before joining the UPA. He served with the Germans in the 103rd battalion of the Schutzmannschaft ("security police", punishers). The policeman was the “commander in chief” of the UPA Roman Shukhevych (201st battalion).

      I will not upload photos ....
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    3. bif
      bif 14 July 2014 11: 01
      +34
      Quote: PRN
      What Bandera did in 1940-50 shows that crucifying a child is a common thing for them.

      Below in the stone is engraved: "If I forget this, let the Sky forget about me" This monument stands in Poland. Blinded from a real photo of the massacre of children, whom Bandera, led by a "national hero", killed by screwing them to poles with wire - they saved ammunition ..
      1. Andrey555580
        Andrey555580 14 July 2014 11: 46
        +10
        It looks like the Poles forgot about it ... It's sad crying
        1. Patton5
          Patton5 14 July 2014 13: 11
          +2
          And the sky has already forgotten about them!
      2. BotaniQ
        BotaniQ 14 July 2014 11: 50
        0
        forced to disappoint regarding the photo and its attitude towards the atrocities of Bandera (which I in no way deny). http://sfrandzi.livejournal.com/69361.html
        1. Proud.
          Proud. 14 July 2014 12: 39
          0
          Quote: BotaniQ
          forced to disappoint regarding the photo and his attitude towards the atrocities of Bandera (which I in no way deny)

          Perhaps. But here is the material on the question of why they are accused of EXACTLY BANDERLOGs: http: //nnm.me/blogs/shamba/vina_banderovcev_dokazana/
        2. Dali
          Dali 14 July 2014 12: 40
          +1
          If you were a nerd, you would be smart ... but most likely dill, hiding under the flag of the USSR, for greater persuasiveness, and even more likely, a troll, hired, probably paid by mattresses ...

          And smart ones in the same comments about your deceitful article write on a deceitful site:

          "What they can think of to justify Bandera's actions and kill again and again under his banner, as they did in Odessa (his handwriting!), Mariupol, Kromatorsk! The article is meager, fluid and unsubstantiated! And include logic with thinking! Why crazy! a woman to hang children on a tree? A demonstrative execution? She would rather bury them or throw them in the forest. And then ... citizens, she does not look like a bodybuilder with biceps to tie four children to a tree and even barbed wire! Delirium of provocateurs! I wanted a link! throw on reliable facts, but the magazine did not miss! And even if this is not a wire, but a defect in the photograph, it is still silly to believe that a crazy woman hung her children on a tree. This was usually done by Bandera. As for medical documents, then medicine - the most false science. Studying it for 27 years and comparing it with the facts, one is amazed at how cowardly and false this area is, just to justify his impotence! As for the allegedly documentary witness mother's murder, so I have seen so much documentary evidence! Believe every piece of paper, just not to move your brains! "
          1. BotaniQ
            BotaniQ 14 July 2014 17: 57
            -1
            poke and hang labels on your wife. I won't say anything about the rest of the comments on the article, you seem to know better what a mentally ill person can do and what not, and what is the logic of his actions. About "bodybuilders" in a psychiatric hospital ... I advise you to try to practice pacification on some violent shit alone or on a person in a stressful state, and then rivet posts about "bodybuilders". My flag shouldn't be touched either. As well as getting personal and making your own speculation, where are truthful sites, and where not. I, over there, see nonsense on the first channel about crucified girls, but somehow I don't think to immediately stigmatize channel 1 and transfer its news programs to the yellow press. And the evidence of the crimes of the Banderaites is already complete, without this photo. And as I wrote that I do not deny them in any way. And if Russian is not your native language, and you do not understand the previous phrase, then I regret further and can no longer help you.
        3. Dali
          Dali 14 July 2014 12: 40
          0
          If you were a nerd, you would be smart ... but most likely dill, hiding under the flag of the USSR, for greater persuasiveness, and even more likely, a troll, hired, probably paid by mattresses ...

          And smart ones in the same comments about your deceitful article write on a deceitful site:

          "What they can think of to justify Bandera's actions and kill again and again under his banner, as they did in Odessa (his handwriting!), Mariupol, Kromatorsk! The article is meager, fluid and unsubstantiated! And include logic with thinking! Why crazy! a woman to hang children on a tree? A demonstrative execution? She would rather bury them or throw them in the forest. And then ... citizens, she does not look like a bodybuilder with biceps to tie four children to a tree and even barbed wire! Delirium of provocateurs! I wanted a link! throw on reliable facts, but the magazine did not miss! And even if this is not a wire, but a defect in the photograph, it is still silly to believe that a crazy woman hung her children on a tree. This was usually done by Bandera. As for medical documents, then medicine - the most false science. Studying it for 27 years and comparing it with the facts, one is amazed at how cowardly and false this area is, just to justify his impotence! As for the allegedly documentary witness mother's murder, so I have seen so much documentary evidence! Believe every piece of paper, just not to move your brains! "
      3. Evkur
        Evkur 14 July 2014 13: 30
        0
        We all cannot believe this news because the psyche of a normal person is trying to defend himself against these horrors !!!! Any psychiatrist can explain this phenomenon. But the fact that this is true is 95 percent! Children always try to surpass their parents, it is a fact, so everyone in their favorite business! You can’t live by the principles of my hut hide - such a disaster can come to your house! Pah pah, may God help us!
    4. Kerzhak
      Kerzhak 14 July 2014 11: 33
      +1
      I completely agree, knowing the history of Bandera and their atrocities, this is very easy to believe.
      1. alone
        alone 14 July 2014 13: 32
        +1
        Quote: Kerzhak
        It’s very easy to believe.

        It was precisely on this that those who deliberately went for it played. Now it’s such a situation that a simple layman believes everything that the media says. The media are generally the subject of another conversation. In fact, I wrote this more than once, journalists are a selling element.
        Those who pay them order music.
        but in order to transmit this, ORT had to thoroughly check the information. Is there anything else to say? Come up? Compose 7 The professionalism of a journalist consists in thoroughly checking what he is told and then broadcasting it all.
        If this is a duck (and most likely this is a duck), the journalist and the one who told this for inciting ethnic hatred should be punished
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 14 July 2014 16: 35
          +1
          lonely "If this is a duck (and most likely it is a duck), both the journalist and the one who told it for inciting ethnic hatred should be punished."
          I agree with you but ....
          More than once I witnessed the fights of your fellow countrymen with the Armenians on the sidelines of the Military Observation.))) And how do you and your Armenian journalists submit the information, I don’t even think it’s worth discussing.))) Have you attracted a lot for inciting ethnic hatred? Or only Armenians incite?))) During the war, and your media openly lied and Armenian.))) Will you argue? During wars, everything escalates. I do not say it is good or bad. Right now we have aggravated with Ukraine. Prior to this, Azerbaijan and Armenia.))) Do you not know about this?
          1. alone
            alone 14 July 2014 17: 13
            0
            Quote: Nagaibak
            During the war, and your media openly lied and Armenian.)))

            We are talking about a crime. Crime against a child. As for the lies of our and Armenians, I will give one fact. Our accused them of killing children in Khojaly, and they accused us of the fact that we also killed children in Sumgait. Photo and video footage of our children killed long been in the public domain. and where are the photos and videos of their murdered children?
            Quote: Nagaibak
            Before that, Azerbaijan and Armenia.)))

            The aggravation of relations has not yet ended. There is a positional war.

            But it’s necessary to punish all the same. For others to understand what will happen to them if they continue to lie. By the way, it turned out to be a lie about the shot mothers of the militia in Slavyansk.
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 14 July 2014 18: 03
              0
              lonely "our people accused them of killing children in Khojaly, and they accused us of killing children in Sumgait too."
              Where did you get this? ”Tom de Waal's book" Black Garden "says that on the basis of more than 40 Armenians who survived the massacre, a book was written about the Sumgait events.
              "This is just one of the details that suggest that the outbreak of violence was probably pre-planned, at least in general terms. Survivors recall other details: for example, the thugs tried not to smash the televisions, they also did not touch the children." ...
              This is a quote. As you can see, Armenians do not say anything about killing children.
              According to the results, 26 Armenians, 6 Azerbaijanis were killed. And about 100 of our soldiers were injured, as Azerbaijanis threw bottles of Molotov cocktails and sharpened sticks in them.
              The fact that in Sumgait someone strongly incited ethnic hatred is obvious. Otherwise, why were people chopping axes and burning them alive?
              As for the punishment.))) At that you can ...))) only who will plant him, he is a monument!)))
              1. alone
                alone 14 July 2014 18: 27
                0
                Quote: Nagaibak
                As for the punishment.))) At that you can ...))) only who will plant him, he is a monument!)))

                laughing here it was necessary to begin.
                Quote: Nagaibak
                Tom de Waal's book "Black Garden" says that on the basis of more than 40 Armenians who survived the massacre, a book was written about the Sumgait events.

                Tom de Waal is a well-known journalist. But you must admit that he is not related to Armenian journalism.
                1. Nagaibak
                  Nagaibak 14 July 2014 20: 56
                  0
                  lonely "Tom de Waal is a well-known journalist. But you must admit that he has nothing to do with Armenian journalism."
                  Hmm ... then it is already so that this Tom refers to ordinary Armenians. Which of course are not Armenian journalists. He himself did not say anything, but merely cited the testimony of ordinary Armenians who survived the pogrom that Azerbaijanis did not kill Armenian children. It'll do?)))
  4. IvanT
    IvanT 14 July 2014 10: 51
    +17
    Well, finally, at least someone wrote about the disgusting propaganda of our media.
    Already tired of these without evidence stuffing !!!!

    Dear journalists of the Russian media .... do not turn into a Ukrainian media!
    First channel! I am ashamed!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 July 2014 11: 15
      +5
      Quote: IvanT
      Well, finally, at least someone wrote about the disgusting propaganda of our media.
      Already tired of these without evidence stuffing !!!!


      This is war. there are no good methods in war because it is war.
      1. IvanT
        IvanT 14 July 2014 11: 30
        0
        It does not look beautiful.
        First, the whole country mourns the dead journalists who expose the Ukrainian "exploits".
        And then we "crap" ourselves!
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    3. Dali
      Dali 14 July 2014 12: 56
      0
      Do you know the history of the Great Patriotic War ?!

      Have you forgotten about Odessa already?

      A lot of unproven stuffing? Examples in the studio!

      You do not want to believe this ... the truth will certainly be revealed someday ... I hope that soon ... will you not be ashamed?

      And I can tell you why you are afraid to even allow this to happen ... !!!
    4. Dali
      Dali 14 July 2014 12: 56
      0
      Do you know the history of the Great Patriotic War ?!

      Have you forgotten about Odessa already?

      A lot of unproven stuffing? Examples in the studio!

      You do not want to believe this ... the truth will certainly be revealed someday ... I hope that soon ... will you not be ashamed?

      And I can tell you why you are afraid to even allow this to happen ... !!!
  5. DPZ
    DPZ 14 July 2014 10: 51
    +14
    I want it to turn out that this story is a lie! and do not care for what purpose this lie. I do not want such a truth!
    1. Dali
      Dali 14 July 2014 13: 08
      0
      Quote: DPZ
      I want it to turn out that this story is a lie! and do not care for what purpose this lie. I do not want such a truth!


      Well, that’s the answer to everyone who writes that this is a lie .... You can only add, admit that such facts exist, even if not in this particular case, it means to admit your responsibility for what is happening, it means to shame yourself internally ... and this is very painful and disgusting. Not everyone is capable of it ... they write ... !!!
    2. Dali
      Dali 14 July 2014 13: 08
      0
      Quote: DPZ
      I want it to turn out that this story is a lie! and do not care for what purpose this lie. I do not want such a truth!


      Well, that’s the answer to everyone who writes that this is a lie .... You can only add, admit that such facts exist, even if not in this particular case, it means to admit your responsibility for what is happening, it means to shame yourself internally ... and this is very painful and disgusting. Not everyone is capable of it ... they write ... !!!
  6. Lyubimov
    Lyubimov 14 July 2014 10: 51
    +7
    There is no doubt that fascists can do this. But before you broadcast information, you really need to check it all the same. Or channel 1 has a different task. Now it’s really time that you can’t trust anyone at all, sometimes even your own wife. (with)
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  8. a52333
    a52333 14 July 2014 10: 52
    +4
    Well, yes, when I watched this plot, doubts crept in.
    The junta, of course, are Dauny, but not so much ... Otherwise, the Internet would have been full of this "crucifixion"
    1. Vadim2013
      Vadim2013 14 July 2014 11: 33
      0
      According to the story of the Ukrainian refugee Galina Pyshnyak, there were many witnesses to this crime, since this could be an act of intimidation. Therefore, it is strange that there is no other evidence of this crime.
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    3. Weniamin
      Weniamin 14 July 2014 11: 33
      +3
      When viewing the plot, the suspicion crept in that the whole interview was a montage. The background sounds when a journalist and a woman speak are significantly different. Perhaps, judging by the emotionality and detail of the events, what the woman described is true. However, to air such editing plots, I think, is not to face for Russian television.
  9. creak
    creak 14 July 2014 10: 54
    +8
    A robust and timely article - even in an information war, you need to operate only on verified, confirmed facts.
  10. Dali
    Dali 14 July 2014 10: 56
    +5
    Gopodin "Author Alexey Volodin" - duck not verified or false ... you seem to feel no difference !!!

    Something already has a lot of unverified information (on executions of civilians, etc.), do you think it is all false?

    If you turned on the brain, you could understand that even one witness of such events is already something !!! - Because such things are done without witnesses !!!
    1. Volodin
      14 July 2014 11: 17
      +10
      If you paid even a little attention to the text, you would understand that the article deals with two episodes (the first - data on the execution in Slavyansk, the second - data on murders in a maternity hospital in Kuwait). So, especially for you, as the ONLY one who has turned on the brain, I explain: in Kuwait it is proved that the information is false. On Slavyansk - the information is not verified. The Kuwaiti lie was not immediately revealed, according to Slavyansk, of course, also a lie (if it is a lie) or the truth (if it is true) will not be revealed immediately. But in any case, to publish facts in the central media from "one woman said" is a complete repetition of the actions of ukroSMI. This is a short retelling of the article from me ...
      1. Luzhichanin
        Luzhichanin 14 July 2014 14: 13
        0
        that's why your article this time plus
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      3. andrew42
        andrew42 16 July 2014 10: 00
        +1
        And no one made a resume on "one woman who said." They just showed it. According to your logic, if a woman wanted to speak to the camera, she had to be driven away with a nasty broom? In this case, your post is "just one guy said." Maybe you should have been banned personally from writing posts? You know, the Internet is also a kind of media. And there is no smoke without fire. Just imagine, "one woman" sits and invents as if to tell her about the Nazis are coming out more sentimental, and even to look spontaneous. Take your eyes off the dry scribble, and take it in a complex - the interview, the nature of the presentation, the place of presentation, the circumstances in place, the circumstances in a wider "space", the background, similar facts and "unverified" information. In addition, in any war in the ranks of the "ideological fighters" at all times there are stupid lords, eager to "fight" in this way. The question is in the percentage of l / s of the army. For you, an intellectual, is it not difficult? The synthetic way of thinking, I hope, is not alien? Sorry for getting personal. But in my analysis, it turns out that the execution of a child is 95% true.
  11. atalef
    atalef 14 July 2014 10: 56
    0
    Alexey (+), definitely pls, the article is necessary and timely.
    People - start checking and analyzing the information that comes to you already a little. Since the media on both sides of the conflict have completely and completely lied and it’s very difficult to scrape out bits of truth and make a more or less true picture.
    Do not turn into North Koreans, hawala everything that the media give them.

    The DPRK national team reached the final of the 2014 World Cup

    World Championship





    The final match of the 2014 World Cup between the national teams of Germany and Argentina will take place on Sunday. However, in the DPRK, where the media are controlled by the government, they inform citizens that the North Korean national team has reached the decisive game of the world championship, where it will meet with Portugal. The news release contains footage of old meetings of the DPRK national team, as well as the results of fictional matches against Japan (7: 0), the USA (4: 0) and China (2: 0).

    1. series
      series 14 July 2014 11: 09
      +19
      Actually, the creators of the video have already admitted that it was a fake that has nothing to do with reality, i.e. on Korean TV, there was no such "news" about the DPRK championship at the 2014 World Cup.
      How then do Themselves differ from Channel One, throwing in something like that?
    2. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 14 July 2014 11: 34
      0
      atalef "Alexey (+), definitely plc, the article is necessary and timely.
      People - start checking and analyzing the information that comes to you already a little. maybe the media on both sides of the conflict have gone to bed completely and completely and it is very difficult to scrape out the grains of truth and make a more or less true picture. "
      I agree. Only I will note for us lies, Bandera.))) Ours can only be wrong.))) And for us, not both sides of the conflict are fighting. And Bandera, in fact, the West with their hands against the Russian and Russian-speaking Ukrainians, who happened to be on the territory of the "Square".))) Therefore, the volunteers are going. They know whose land it is.)))
      Ie Bandera against OUR !!!! Here is for you the parties to the conflict.))) We have no problem identifying our own.)))
      Therefore, visitors to the site often have a fountain of emotion. It just needs to be understood.)))
    3. Mhpv
      Mhpv 14 July 2014 11: 36
      +1
      DPRK ahead of Ukraine in creating this video. laughing
  12. sogdianec
    sogdianec 14 July 2014 10: 56
    +7
    After Odessa, her story looks quite realistic. A woman either tells the truth, or a very talented actress.
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 14 July 2014 11: 33
      +3
      "After Odessa, her story looks quite realistic. The woman is either telling the truth, or a very talented actress."

      there is another option - she invented it herself - she believed it - and thinks that she is telling the truth. in this case, she needs a psychiatrist, well, or a psychologist to rehabilitate herself from psychiatric trauma after the bombing of Slavyansk.
      1. rubin6286
        rubin6286 14 July 2014 14: 26
        -2
        I read your comments and find them completely stupid. Better do hard physical work.

        "A man can judge for hours about a thing that sticks out between his legs"
        S. Yesenin
      2. atalef
        atalef 14 July 2014 14: 37
        +1
        Quote: Starfish
        there is another option - she invented it herself - she believed it - and thinks that she is telling the truth. in this case, she needs a psychiatrist, well, or a psychologist to rehabilitate herself from psychiatric trauma after the bombing of Slavyansk.

        In Israel, the Bedouins do not even check on a lie detector. they lie so selflessly and they themselves believe in it that no one detector takes them.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 14 July 2014 16: 55
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          that no detector takes them.

          The detector may not take it, but a couple of liters of vodka on the bed with getters will untie the tongue cleaner than the Mueller departments ...
          In general, free advice, Alexan. Tell them to whom it should be.

          1. Drop the tinkering tanks - take care of the urgent improvement of the polygraph as a device. Simply put - increase the strength / voltage on the electrodes.
          2. Improve medicine, raise it to the level of Gestapo standards in the 43-44 years. Focus on synthesizing "truth serum". Refer to the archives of the German chem. industry.
          3. Upgrade the rabbi to the appropriate level for "heartbreaking conversation" ...

          To teach you everything ....
          1. atalef
            atalef 14 July 2014 17: 03
            -4
            Quote: Ptah
            In general, free advice, Alexan

            Vadimchik, train on cats with tips
            Quote: Ptah
            Simply put - increase the strength / voltage on the electrodes.

            So amperage? Or tension?
            Quote: Ptah
            Improve medicine

            We are improving medicine on patients from Russia. So many of them are coming to us that enough for all experiments
            Quote: Ptah
            Upgrade the rabbi to the appropriate level for "sentimental conversation

            Is the rabbi what scares you the most in this life?
            Quote: Ptah
            To teach you everything ....

            Hopes of young men feed laughing
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  13. Yellow white
    Yellow white 14 July 2014 10: 56
    +2
    The Bendera people are certainly finished bbl.y.d.k.i., but it seems more like some kind of insanity ...
    "Red line" before the enforcement of peace ???
  14. Gunia
    Gunia 14 July 2014 10: 57
    +1
    The article is correct! It’s not good for such a channel to launch SUCH nonsense! Of course they are scum, but to get to this, it’s also hardly possible in public!
  15. Shadow1
    Shadow1 14 July 2014 10: 57
    +7
    Look, the story is repeating itself! Bandera still can not go that way!
    1. Shadow1
      Shadow1 14 July 2014 11: 16
      +4
      And in general, when the cities captured by the Nazis are liberated and the villages are not yet aware of such atrocities!
      1. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 14 July 2014 14: 21
        +1
        The author of the article is frankly not clear to me. This is the info war. So the fascists can wage such a war against us, but we can’t? I do not care if it was or wasn’t, but to make it clear to the whole world that fascists on dill is a reality, it is absolutely necessary by any means. In war, all means are good. Banderism is a disease treated only by death.
  16. Andrey904
    Andrey904 14 July 2014 10: 57
    +2
    Yesterday when I saw this video from the interview, I immediately suspected something was wrong, although the blood in my veins froze from what I said. If such atrocity really took place, there would be much more witnesses. Yes, and some kind of muddy granny.
  17. valday
    valday 14 July 2014 10: 57
    +4
    There are no facts disproving the story of this woman, as there are none and confirming. The truth is somewhere in the middle most likely. Although here is a summary from Strelkov in social networks: http://vk.com/strelkov_info#/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_6585
  18. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 14 July 2014 10: 57
    +2
    It is not permissible to transmit and print unverified and unconfirmed information (get along) in the current conditions.
    Only confirmed and verified information.
  19. Dimas2
    Dimas2 14 July 2014 10: 57
    +5
    A few days ago, if I’m not mistaken in rbc, there was a story that Ukrainians crucified the golden eagles that were kept in the residence in the intermountain, because they were golden eagles (a symbol of the special forces of Ukraine) ... it’s clear that adequate people will not deal with such nonsense, and the plot showed a photo of a crucified bird ..... The question is if there are creatures that crucified rare birds for being named special guard in their honor, could the creatures crucify a child ????
    generally smoke without fire does not happen ....
  20. Krogan_Urdnot
    Krogan_Urdnot 14 July 2014 10: 58
    -12
    It is strange why this particular news deserved condemnation?) According to the principle "Baba Valya told and Kiselev showed on TV", half of the articles on this site are being made and everyone hawala humming. Did you really have enough extra this time?)
    1. stasimar
      stasimar 14 July 2014 11: 09
      +4
      really. why other interviews with refugees and militias are not subjected to the same analysis ...? although they also need to be double-checked. everyone is free to evaluate certain messages. but I'm sure banderlogs aren’t capable of that!
    2. Victor-M
      Victor-M 14 July 2014 11: 10
      +12
      Quote: Krogan_Urdnot
      It is strange why this particular news deserved condemnation?) According to the principle "Baba Valya told and Kiselev showed on TV", half of the articles on this site are being made and everyone hawala humming. Did you really have enough extra this time?)


      And why all over the world they picked up and champed the news of the murder of three Israelis, especially of adults, and did not say anything about the killings of thousands of people in the Southeast? You probably think that you need to squeal, like a pig, at the top of your lungs only when you kill your fellow tribesmen, and the rest are not worth the attention of the world community?
      1. Krogan_Urdnot
        Krogan_Urdnot 14 July 2014 11: 18
        -7
        Something you all worked out to the heap) How did two boys of 16 suddenly become adults? And where do they discuss the fake news? We dictate to the world community what to discuss or what?) She actually discusses football now, and you have news from Baba Vali on your website.
        1. Victor-M
          Victor-M 14 July 2014 12: 10
          +3
          Quote: Krogan_Urdnot
          How did two 16-year-old boys suddenly become adults?


          And excuse me, you probably become adults at 45?
          On football, I’m deep in the drum, I respect hockey.
          Regarding the "fake" news, you and I are not given to know, whether it is true or not.
          Baba Valya is closer to me than a dog - Igor Kolomoisky.
          1. Krogan_Urdnot
            Krogan_Urdnot 14 July 2014 13: 03
            -3
            I'm sorry. At 18. Like you, by the way. What does Kolomoisky have to do with it? ) Well you were talking about the fact that we are talking about the news about our squeals that were killed, and now Kolomoisky has become entangled, the impression is that I'm talking with a random phrase generator. I am taking my leave for the sim.
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 14 July 2014 13: 17
              +2
              Quote: Krogan_Urdnot
              What does Kolomoisky have to do with it?

              That's it ... Well, he has nothing to do with it ...
              He simply invited the Jews to move to Dneprozhiudovsk, where everything was already prepared for them.

              And they undertook to divide Ukraine in a timely manner, could the Jews be left without a shred.
              And somehow immediately began the cleansing of the territories to the east of the "Golden Rose" and the protest moods of the Ukrainians themselves to the west of this building.
              And even more so, timely puzzles of the Jews in BV happened. That the palaces annihilate them there soon. But it started with these teenagers ...
              Therefore - Welkam in New Khazaria ...
    3. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 14 July 2014 11: 12
      +2
      Krogan_Urdnot "It's strange, why did this news deserve condemnation?) According to the principle" Baba Valya told and Kiselev showed on TV, "half of the articles on this site are being made and everyone hawked by quitting.
      Just do not be clever.))) Somehow I begin to doubt that you are a Jew.))) I think they are smart people. And they won’t comb all people under one crest like that.)))
      That's what the brain is for us to filter out the bullshit.))) And you?
      Half the articles say? Well, don’t read it! Does this include all articles on history and technology? Or only in Ukraine?))) And where did you get the idea that everyone is Hawala?))) Yes, and champ.))) Do not disappoint us.))))
      1. Krogan_Urdnot
        Krogan_Urdnot 14 July 2014 11: 25
        -10
        Not all Jews are smart, unfortunately sad
        And where did you get the idea that everyone is Hawala?))) Yes, and champ.)))
        From the number of likes and text comments to such news.
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 14 July 2014 12: 22
          0
          Krogan_Urdnot "Not all Jews are smart, unfortunately."
          Sorry.)))
          Krogan_Urdnot "From the number of likes and text of comments to such news."
          This is not an indicator.))) Although people who are ready for any reason to shout cheers here are also missing.))) Sometimes it’s a minus if someone gets it out. Mostly wacky. Since it is harmful from them.))) After all, shouting cheers with or without is easier. And such as a rule there is no knowledge. From their big cities, many of them don’t seem to have a nose. Still, I put a minus to frank Russophobes and patients on my head.))) Plus more often. I didn’t set you a minus.
  21. siberalt
    siberalt 14 July 2014 10: 59
    +3
    It seems that this info fits well with the howl of Kurginyan, that when the Slavs left the militias, the Kiev junta will massively slaughter all its inhabitants. Of course, there is no smoke without fire, but the information should be supported by at least other facts or testimonies of refugees more than one. Something like this.
    1. vallex8
      vallex8 14 July 2014 11: 12
      0
      Read ukroSMI write the truth for you there.
  22. Padla
    Padla 14 July 2014 11: 04
    -1
    Fake pure water
  23. skyyl
    skyyl 14 July 2014 11: 06
    +2
    The fact that our corps are dying is very bad! But to blow up such bombs on the air without evidence is even worse, since it will lead to unpredictable consequences, we cannot even imagine !!! Banderlogs already deserve to be executed for everything that has already been done!
  24. bmv04636
    bmv04636 14 July 2014 11: 07
    +1
    and if it’s true that then they didn’t crucify but simply killed, it will become easier
  25. Lumumba
    Lumumba 14 July 2014 11: 09
    -3
    "The first anal" again distinguished itself.
  26. vallex8
    vallex8 14 July 2014 11: 10
    -19
    Putin must be crucified for this, there was an opportunity at the beginning to prevent this massacre; he was afraid of the Americans that the army should not be sent and nobody asked for the army, they sent weapons to Syria and let their own be killed.
  27. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 July 2014 11: 10
    +5
    They will not cut out residents without exception. Why do they need new avenger militias?
    It’s easier to get them to communicate with each other. This will destroy the souls of the scammers and make them completely dependent on the invaders.
  28. vvsz031249
    vvsz031249 14 July 2014 11: 11
    +4
    Journalists, be professionals, not paparazzi! In a war, a pilot was credited with shooting down a plane not for his truthful eyes, but for information from three sources ... Desa, or an unreliable fact - check it, get to the bottom of it. In order not to become like an irresponsible chatterbox !!! Be professionals !!! To the junta did not have a reason to accuse us of lies !!!
  29. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 July 2014 11: 13
    +2
    You can’t be likened to stumbling. Unverified information from a mentally unbalanced witness destroys the credibility of information worse than acid.
  30. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 14 July 2014 11: 16
    +3
    One of the country's main television channels does not exactly paint the presentation of information, which, at least, requires confirmation
    - Yes, the first channel, together with its Malakhovs and Ernst, turned into Speed-info! "Ducks" are often allowed, important (for the population, but negative for the government) news is missed ... hi
  31. Trom
    Trom 14 July 2014 11: 17
    +2
    Apparently, the time has come not only for the revival of Russian identity, the revival of the Russian world, but also for the formation of our own style (if I may say so, or information norms) of the rules for presenting information that would correspond to the spirit and morality of the Russian world, and the technologies of the West would not be used , like "people hawala!" And who, if not the first national to set an example? ...
  32. parusnik
    parusnik 14 July 2014 11: 17
    +1
    For the International Tribunal, information must be verified ..
  33. azbukin77
    azbukin77 14 July 2014 11: 17
    -3
    There is such a thing as information warfare, and we are not far ahead on this front! It can and correctly give such information, thereby raising the very patriotic spirit of the population! Everything is good, which is good for Russia!
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 14 July 2014 12: 28
      +1
      Quote: azbukin77
      correctly give such information, thereby raising the very patriotic spirit of the population!

      Where is the line between "raising the patriotic spirit" and "producing anger and hatred"?
      For the sake of whom is there always such "ignition?
      Compare. situations in 41 and now, after reading this page -

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Убей_немца!

      One quote -
      Soviet propaganda slogan during the Great Patriotic War, spontaneously appeared in July 1942 and supported by Soviet propaganda to intensify hatred to the main opponent the USSR in the second world war.

      ... Ilya / Upyr / Ehrenburg's article “Kill!”
      According to the author, the reason for the article “Kill!” Written and published at the height of the German summer offensive on the Don, just two weeks before the appearance of the famous Stalin’s order, known as “Not a Step Back!” (Order No. 227) , letters from Germany discovered by JACKS at the killed Wehrmacht soldiers, from which it becomes apparent (?) "intention Germans turn our people into slaves ”
      ... subsequently this and other Ehrenburg articles were criticized and debated..
      British writer Anthony Beaver in his book The Fall of Berlin. 1945 » claims that such slogans provoked violence perpetrated by Red Army soldiers against civilians in Germany in 1944-1945.
      According to the memoirs of the bloodsucking Erenburg himself, he set out to dispel the illusions that existed among a significant part of Soviet soldiers that “if you tell the German workers and peasants the truth, they will drop their weapons”, that “millions of German soldiers go on the offensive only because threatened with execution ”


      It is very similar to the actions of Parashenka and the allocation of Kalomoyshi babos to the destruction of both fraternal peoples and the speech of Albright ...
      Do not find?
  34. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 14 July 2014 11: 19
    +1
    Less than a hundred years ago, people probably also did not believe that civilized Europeans could create genocide. But nothing, it was only worth giving free rein to the Nazis, Bandera, etc. animals and everyone knows how it ended.
    1. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 14 July 2014 11: 23
      +1
      .............
    2. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 14 July 2014 11: 23
      0
      ................
    3. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 14 July 2014 11: 24
      0
      ..............
    4. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 14 July 2014 11: 25
      +4
      I don’t think that since then something has changed a lot in human psychology. These creatures were animals as they remained.
  35. Lelek
    Lelek 14 July 2014 11: 23
    +2
    The mastermind and sponsor of this Bandera gang, sitting across the ocean and rubbing sweaty little hands in ecstasy, is even more cruel than his puppets. That's what will happen to the inhabitants of New Russia if the Poroshenko-Kolomoisk-Avakov-Yaroslav-Abamov degenerates win. This must not be allowed in any case. stop
  36. Potemkin
    Potemkin 14 July 2014 11: 24
    +1
    These are completely different people.
    Earlobe, nose shape - the way to unravel.

    And if you take a better photo (from the same angle) - you can find even more differences.
  37. domiemon
    domiemon 14 July 2014 11: 25
    -13
    Alexey Volodin, thanks for the article. During the war, propaganda is an inevitable thing, but a certain level of adequacy should be maintained.
    Unfortunately, this is not an isolated case. Here is another video that causes (at least!) Many questions
    Here is another example.
    http://www.1tv.ru/news/about/262022
    Quote:
    "In the Donetsk region, the operator of the First Channel, Anatoly Klyan, was killed. He was fatally wounded in the stomach when the film crew came to one of the military units to report."
    And here are the shots where Klyana is being taken out of the bus. In frames from 0:39 it can be seen that his sweater is pristine.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U6uYGGjEWY
    For comparison. Here are the footage of the spring of 1995. Live, Murai, one of the leaders of Aum Shinrikyo responsible for the gas attack on the Tokyo subway, was stabbed on the air by a member of an extremist organization named Jou. I was looking for footage, but the scene itself, where he is stained with blood, is cut in front of the cameras. But the photo is:
    http://bbs56.meiwasuisan.com/discu.../img/13399961770001.gif
    This is an illustration of what happens to a person with a wound in the stomach - heavy bleeding.
    1. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs 14 July 2014 11: 44
      0
      Here is another example.

      I suggest that you are a medical examiner.
      You watched the video and did not see blood and conclude that:

      option 1. Klyan is actually alive, he was given new documents, had plastic surgery, sent to live in the village of Vasyuki in the Smolensk region, and some kind of homeless person was buried in his place. Is it cool for a fake? More like Hollywood than life.

      option 2 To ensure fake, Klyana did have to shoot ...

      Fakes, of course, happen, and as the article shows, even on the first channel, but one’s conscience must also have a human relation to the deceased.
      So you minus. A plus article.
      1. domiemon
        domiemon 14 July 2014 13: 57
        0
        No, I'm not a medical examiner.
        I will explain. The inconsistency of the information provided (died from a bullet wound in the stomach) and the personnel that I brought up raises questions. The fact that Klyan is alive I did not write anywhere. The operator died. It is a fact. Regarding conscience, it is first of all necessary to have the media when they give information. And I don’t believe our media for a long time. Something like this
        1. kolyhalovs
          kolyhalovs 15 July 2014 09: 59
          0
          Well, so I will explain. No need to look everywhere for fakes. Have you seen the video? Seen it. Have you seen anywhere in his blood? No. He died? He died. To me, a wound in the stomach seems quite plausible, because lying on such trifles is not profitable. And the fact that you did not see the blood absolutely does not mean anything. Because bleeding can be internal. Of course, I, too, do not have great medical knowledge, but I know that if I do not see a gopher, this does not mean that it is not there. So, regarding the fact that there was no wound in the stomach, these are your personal speculations that are not confirmed by anyone, which are inappropriate in the situation when a person died.

          CT
      2. Shaber
        Shaber 16 July 2014 00: 29
        0
        I agree 1000 percent to a friend --- and not one!
      3. Shaber
        Shaber 16 July 2014 00: 29
        0
        I agree 1000 percent to a friend --- and not one!
  38. Naval
    Naval 14 July 2014 11: 28
    +5
    People hawala! fool
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 14 July 2014 11: 44
      +1
      Quote: Naval
      People hawala!
      - Some of the Russian channels can also be attributed here! hi
  39. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 14 July 2014 11: 30
    +1
    The author wrote that there are many ways to punish the junta for its crimes, but did not name which ones. I would like him to name at least a couple. Well, yes, you can once again wrinkle your forehead and threaten with your finger, assign responsibility, etc. If the author had this in mind, then the junta just laughs and craps on this one.
  40. Iline
    Iline 14 July 2014 11: 34
    +2
    Yes, everything is fine! We now have a rating on television, and it does not matter in what ways it is earned. Threw the news, and there the grass does not grow.
    I always check strange information on the basis of several sources, one can say different confessions. The truth lies somewhere in between.
  41. viktor52
    viktor52 14 July 2014 11: 36
    0
    It's time to understand that there is a full-scale information war of the Pindors against Russia. If we want to win it, we must do the same as they do — the more you write the better, and the one who wins will be right.
  42. Kerzhak
    Kerzhak 14 July 2014 11: 38
    0
    Such atrocities already happened during World War II (and it was Bandera’s who did it), so you still believe it. Morally, Bandera is capable of this.
  43. papa-billy
    papa-billy 14 July 2014 11: 39
    0
    I don’t want to say anything. Think with your brain, all the incoming information must be cut and critically analyzed.
  44. Roman 11
    Roman 11 14 July 2014 11: 42
    +1
    According to the first videos from SLAVYANSK, it was clear that everything was not all right, some women were stupid when shooting the camera. But the cartoon on this topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA1LE6iKMfk Can you believe in this atrocity ......? But recently filming was shown somewhere, I hadn’t seen it before, from the Odessa burning house of trade unions, and so it’s clearly visible that people are falling flat and not upside down !! And not one person. Moreover, the crude determination of self-immolation with charred limbs and heads immediately showed any sane about mass serial murder. And our guy got to the SBU, where he was tortured with electric shock? And the brutal beating of our journalists? Notice our representatives of another state, but we can’t talk about the special status of journalists. Just do not want to talk about atrocities, but it is necessary, since this is a crime. Another installation of the Odessa tragedy may be the last straw for Europeans.
    1. kazak.zp
      kazak.zp 14 July 2014 18: 51
      -2
      The journalists who were arrested in Ukraine in the ATO zone were released and I don’t remember that after that they showed bruises, broken teeth and talked about a bad attitude.
  45. new lod
    new lod 14 July 2014 11: 43
    +3
    there’s a video in contact about how a woman was dragged by a tank there was a place to be, and they wrote about a baby ... whatever one may say, you can’t take the Nazgad prisoners because the Nazis am
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 14 July 2014 12: 37
      +1
      Quote: Newlod
      the video is in contact, about how a woman was dragged by a tank to be a place, and they wrote about a baby ...

      Yet again...
      Not for the sake of the very subject of the dispute, but in order to understand the situation ...
      Have you seen this video yourself?
      If so, why didn’t they copy it - if it touched you for a living? Would it be useful at an international tribunal?

      If these questions from your side remain unanswered, then I have to take your "comment" also as support for the fake ... request hi
  46. Cristall
    Cristall 14 July 2014 11: 47
    +1
    Well, finally ... Today, it's just a gift for me ... They admitted that the sources leading the information war cannot be trusted. Although I spoke about this a long time ago.
    By the way, "helped" the video about "Odessa woman" where I first believed (the actress complained, screamed naturally, etc.)
    but then they began to figure it out - yes, she shouted in Kharkov and in other cities and was always "the local officer's daughter"
    It is clear that one can argue where there is more truth .. but if at least once to allow such - who will believe the liar once?
    Kiev would be terribly unprofitable for such an event .. They are also participants of the information war .. moreover, they have gained experience, they have become more seasoned in business ...
    The declared "unlimited information war" is very cruel ... any source can become manipulation ...
    1. aleks2014
      aleks2014 14 July 2014 23: 15
      -1
      Arrested this provocateur today.
  47. Mhpv
    Mhpv 14 July 2014 11: 51
    +3

    It’s also a strange video. Some grandmothers are sitting as if specially driven away, and many turn away.
    Well, with Rum Cola began to come to life fool
    1. Znayka
      Znayka 14 July 2014 16: 21
      +3
      Dear forum users, doesn’t it seem strange to you that only women of retirement age are sitting on the square, on benches, and most importantly, four people each ???
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 14 July 2014 17: 03
        0
        Dmitriy. Is it possible "simpler"? what
        Have something to say about - pull out your "trump cards".
        There is no time to solve charades. Serious things are being discussed. hi
    2. Roman 11
      Roman 11 14 July 2014 22: 08
      0
      The episode is very funny there) 6:45 a good young man sits down in granny’s citizen ...... but as you can see, not one of the grannies is his native, this can be seen by the nature of the grannies - the extreme ones are located outside, from the place where he sits down.
    3. Phoenix
      Phoenix 14 July 2014 23: 07
      0
      The facial expression shows these grandmas that they are hiding something, as if they had memorized everything, and they are moving off the topic. Well, it is understandable if not for themselves so they are afraid for their relatives. Well, the west of Ukraine has made enemies two centuries in advance since the East of Ukraine will take revenge. These are the consequences of all this happening right now.
    4. Nikaviz
      Nikaviz 17 July 2014 00: 51
      0
      "IDYLL.." laughing The gathering of shabby grandmothers ... wassat
  48. Mhpv
    Mhpv 14 July 2014 11: 56
    +2
    And here it’s already cruel:
    13.07.14. Photos from the militia, strictly 18 +.

    As a result of yesterday's shelling of the suburbs of Donetsk, about 30 people died. One of the victims is a 17-year-old girl. Another dead boy turned 10 recently ... When someone tells you about United Ukraine, show him these photos of the people that Ukraine killed yesterday.

    http://antimaydan.info/2014/07/13_07_14_foto_ot_opolcheniya_strogo_18_119654.htm
    l
  49. KBPC50
    KBPC50 14 July 2014 11: 57
    0
    Quote: Starfish
    "I agree that they are creatures. But our first TV channels also find it unforgivable to pour terrible" news "on the heads of tens of millions of Russians without checking the facts ..."

    so who runs this First Channel is Kostya Yoprst, who’s the main TV analyst, Volodya Pizdner. the channel’s policy is to spoil stealthily. and this interview with this Pyshnyak - except as wrecking can not be called.
    Remove the editor for inciting ethnic hatred and for absolute unsuitability use by profession.
  50. Santor
    Santor 14 July 2014 11: 57
    +3
    Quote: bif
    Below in the stone is engraved: "If I forget this, let the Sky forget about me" This monument stands in Poland. Blinded from a real photo of the massacre of children, whom Bandera, led by a "national hero", killed by screwing them to poles with wire - they saved ammunition ..


    This photo was shown to the Ukrainians, here is just a signature - the atrocities of the disguised NKVD detachments to quarrel Ukrainians and Poles ...

    And in Ukraine in the 2004 year a film was shot where the courageous unit of the UNA operates, famously fights against the Germans, destroys the looters of the Kovpakovites, and then, together with the Poles from the AK, destroys the NKVD detachment, which killed the Poles today, Ukrainians, while dressing accordingly .. At the end of the film, the UPA detachment destroys the advanced detachment of the Red Army together with the Vlasovites from the ROA !!!. This detachment breaks into the Ukrainian village and ... in general, uncles from the SS nervously smoke aside ... Actors playing Russians - Guskov, Stepanov (the one that Lomonosov played) and still do not remember ... The UNA commander refuses to leave with the Vlasovites, they say goodbye, hug. The end of the film - the UNA squad beautifully descends into a burning village ....

    On the topic - when I watched the video I immediately realized that she was lying ...

    Look carefully at her eyes, they run, often glance to the right, as if asking someone - am I saying everything right?
    These reports cause great harm, as well as a fake story about a militia who threw grenades under a tank ... There may have been a feat, but the person who was designated the hero died of cancer on 29 on November 2011.
    1. alone
      alone 14 July 2014 17: 35
      +2
      Alas, Victor. The most interesting thing is that no one really checks this, and immediately they start to publish articles here, and the people sitting are beginning to curse everyone and everything and requires the introduction of troops.
      1. strelok93rus
        strelok93rus 15 July 2014 18: 04
        0
        Watch the video of the interrogation of the pilot yesterday shot down. Also heroes. And for the child, the couple dropped their heads!