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Mobilization is disrupted in Ukraine - nobody wants to be "cannon fodder"

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Mobilization is disrupted in Ukraine - nobody wants to be "cannon fodder"


Ukrainians refuse to take part in the civil war. Despite the fact that the Ministry of Defense does not advertise the progress of the implementation of the draft plan, it is already clear that it is not destined to wait for the reinforcements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

The chaotic mobilization, awkwardly launched in March for war, did not bring the desired results. No matter how much the Ukrainian official would like to demonstrate the television image of the national impulse, the long lines at the recruiting stations failed to do so. In early May, the Ukrainian government decided to re-attempt an appeal, but now not against Russia, but against its own fellow citizens in the east of the country. And about. President Turchinov in May signed a decree on the second wave of partial mobilization. Thus, in the period from May 26 to July 4, according to the plan, they should have called up about 37 thousands of military servicemen to the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. They were supposed to replenish the ranks of the troops involved in the civil conflict on the side of Kiev. And although neither the Ministry of Defense, nor the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs divulges the results of the draft campaign, the information that gets into the media from other sources clearly indicates that there were even fewer people who wanted to fight with compatriots in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine than those who wanted to “fight” with Russia.

The army simply does not want - they are afraid

From the regions of the South-East, for the time being, they have been able, perhaps, only to Dnipropetrovsk areas. This is not surprising, given that this region has become one of the main bases of the Ukrainian security forces during the war with Donbas. Yes, and the local governor, oligarch Kolomoisky, went far on the path of expanding their own powers. Having a great influence in law enforcement, the governor contributed to the fact that the oblast conscripts were soon pushed into the army by militia methods. So, the deputy military commissar of the Dnepropetrovsk regional commissariat Sergey Polutsygan noted: Those who unreasonably refuse the call, immediately meet with prosecutors. When in the Dnipropetrovsk region began to notify large masses of the population, faced with these problems. Then law enforcement agencies, passport desks joined - and we managed to solve these problems very quickly.

According to Polutsygana, about 10 thousand people have been called up in the region since the beginning of the year. Of course, the official of the Commissariat gives the desired for the real. So, this figure is fantastic, considering that the average plan for the regions for the period of the second stage of mobilization is about 2 thousand people. However, there is probably progress in mobilization, especially since the majority of those called up promise not to send to the combat zone, but to leave in the front-line area for service at checkpoints and rear facilities.

In the next, Zaporizhia, the field picture is completely different. Local officials of the Ministry of Defense do not get tired of threatening criminal prosecution to anyone who does not want to take part in the civil war. The current call is the largest in the last ten years, in a month and a half it was planned to call 2,2 thousands of military servicemen, despite the fact that in recent years the Zaporizhzhia region has supplied people to the APU 500-600 for the draft campaign. But in the present circumstances such ambitious plans are completely unrealistic. The Cossacks stubbornly do not want to serve. So, in the second largest city of the region - Melitopol - 600 people are on the lookout for evading conscription, and criminal cases have opened on the 22 "deviant person". The Zaporozhye military does not provide a general report on the implementation or non-fulfillment of the plan. But without that, it is clear that things are not moving very well. If in March the military regions boasted thousands of virtual volunteers, now the only thing that can be heard from them is the threat of criminal liability.

В Odessa areas in order to convince local residents to go to kill the rebels of Donbass, and sometimes "by chance" - and the civilian population of the region, have already moved from threats to action. 24 June it became known that the 22-year-old draftee judicially received the 2 year imprisonment conditionally. An employee of the military registration and enlistment office of the Kievsky district of Odessa commented on the situation with the appeal: In March, when there was a question about a war with Russia, there were still some volunteers. Now, when people are dying in the East, and the enemy, in fact, his own people, problems have begun with those who wish.

They are trying to compensate for the lack of volunteers by various methods, for example, by calling through universities. So, a letter came to the name of the rector of the Odessa Polytechnic University from the local military enlistment office demanding to ensure the attendance of students in the military enlistment office for medical examination. Such methods of recruiting "cannon fodder" for civil war provoked outrage in the student community and among teachers. Although they do not speak out loud about this, the university staff is in no hurry to help the army with recruiting.

The attempt to work through educational institutions in Odessa is not unique. Similar methods are practiced in the capital. And go even further: Kiev they try to drive not only students, but also the teaching staff through the management of universities. Well, it is quite logical - while the summer holidays are going on, the male part of the teaching staff can be a bit and be at war. True, there is no proper zeal. Not only ordinary recruits, but also Kiev officers are not in a hurry to join the army. The scandal ended the attempt of the head of the State Space Agency of Ukraine Yuri Alekseeva send subordinate officers to the ATO zone. Because of the refusal to appear at the appointed points in the stipulated time, the head of the agency had to dismiss 212 officers. The progress of the draft campaign as a whole in Kiev is not even commented. Indeed, in itself, the reluctance of residents of the capital to participate in the "war on terrorism" is a negative political factor, therefore local military officials prefer to remain silent. Well, and that young people who flash on the screens of TV channels, demanding to wage war more actively in the Donbass, prefer to stay in the capital, having limited themselves to participation in rallies. Thus, even those from Kiev, who descended to direct support of the civil war, are also in no hurry to help implement the draft plan.

If in Kiev the situation with the call is silent, then the military in Sumac more frank. They said it directly: a week before the end of the second stage of the call from the 1950 people planned for the call, it turned out to call on the entire 267. And in areas such as Yampolsky and Shostkinsky, not a single person was called up. Unlike their colleagues in other areas, the Sumy military prefer not to threaten criminal prosecution, but to search for saboteurs among those involved in the conscription process. So, the head of the regional draft commission, Ivan Borshosh He said that some officials, heads of district commissions actually sabotage the work of draft commissions. Named and specific names saboteurs. According to the city military commissar of Sumy Yuri Polous, the main culprit in the breakdown of conscription in the city is the chief doctor of the 4 city hospital, who failed the medical board. The city administration promised to deprive the head physician of the monthly bonus, and the offended military officials said they would hold a medical examination at another hospital in the city.

Similar successes in fulfilling the draft plan - and in the next Kharkiv areas where by the middle of the term of the second stage of the mobilization, it was possible to fulfill the call plan only on 11% Many employees of military registration and enlistment offices, like their colleagues in a number of other areas, began to apply direct threats to draft dodgers. However, these methods do not support the local military authorities. So, the deputy military commissar of the Kharkiv region Yuri Kalgushkin repeatedly reminded that intimidation of conscripts, as well as concealing the true state of their health, is a criminal offense. In other words, a military official called on his colleagues in the field not to be zealous in forcing conscripts to go to war.

Western Ukraine is in no hurry to help

Less scrupulousness in medical examinations Rovno area, although it allowed to quickly replenish the 51-th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with new recruits, did not bring military success. According to local activists who took a direct part in preparing the brigade for the war against the Ukrainians of Donbass, the military commissars and doctors drove almost everyone in a row. Thus, having increased the composition several times, the team was equipped with people with epilepsy, with physical disabilities, quite a bit among the soldiers turned out to be banal alcoholics. A few days later, all this improvised army was in the ATO zone, as a result - the brigade soon suffered noticeable losses, and drunken riots began in the places where it was deployed, demanding the return of the servicemen to Novograd-Volynsky to the place of permanent deployment. In the end, the threat of an armed uprising forced the leadership of the army to withdraw the brigade from the front. So, formed in record time, the largest brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the conditions of a catastrophic shortage of personnel was deep in the rear and requires a complete re-formation and long training.

Other western regions, whose inhabitants at first reacted with great enthusiasm to the idea of ​​the war in the Donbass, are increasingly losing the desire to become soldiers. This is especially felt in Lviv areas where over the past few weeks have repeatedly declared mourning for those killed in the ATO. Today, out of 7, thousands of recruits, who have been sent agendas since the beginning of the year, only about 2 thousands have arrived at the military registration and enlistment offices, and most of them were still in those days when it was a question of a war with Russia. What is characteristic is that Lviv conscripts do not wish to go not only directly to the army or police, but also to parts of the territorial defense, to which they try not to impose combat missions. So, battalion "Lviv", solemnly announced in mid-June, in just two weeks of its existence, lost a third of the deserters. Conscripts who complain about poor living conditions and incompetent commanders simply go home. Yesterday’s activists are not in a hurry to defend the conquests of Maidan, one of whom says: Of the activists who were brought agendas, I am unfit for sight, the second is an orphan, the third is a pregnant wife, the fourth is a child, the fifth and sixth are learning. The situation is similar in other cities in the west of the country, where even from those who still come to the military registration and enlistment office, up to 70% fail to appeal, citing poor health.

Total ...

The cited figures and examples show that the majority of Ukrainians in every way try to avoid participation in the civil war. Even those who somehow ended up in the army often resort to either direct riots, like the 51 Brigade, or rely on mothers to help them get rid of the embrace of the Russian armed forces. Countrywide bribery and paying off flourisheswhich can reach $ 500-1000, so that up to 80% of those who are still at the call-up point are declared unfit for health reasons. Those who do not have such amounts prefer to hide in one way or another, so that up to 10, thousands of draftees are already wanted. All this deprives those who have already found themselves in the ATO zone a chance for rotation thanks to a new appeal.

In turn, in the ranks of the army there is a marked discontent with the fact that after the promised 45 days of conscription, many of the soldiers and officers have been serving for more than three months. In addition, it is already clear that the forces for the final solution of the problem with the Donbas are clearly not enough, and there is no reason to hope for a trained and sufficient militia.

Ukrainian authorities have to close the conscription hole in various ways - from trying to increase the draft age to 65 years to attempts to send security officers, inspectors of traffic police and tax officials to the battle zone. Whether such a warrior can achieve victory is a rhetorical question.
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  1. midashko
    midashko 12 July 2014 06: 41
    +51
    If this is indeed the case in Dill, then I begin to think (and not believe as before) that Putin is acting wisely, refusing to send our troops to the South-East of Ukraine.
    1. gsg955
      gsg955 12 July 2014 08: 25
      +8
      They can beg, but not fight.
      1. avg
        avg 12 July 2014 23: 03
        +2
        We urgently need to call on all the Svidomites with "Censor Net", who every day on their forum drive militias throughout Donbass, and send a journalist from Channel 5 to them as commissars.
    2. kergudu straight
      kergudu straight 12 July 2014 08: 26
      +13
      Putin has no other choice, Russia will even send troops to New Russia, a catastrophe will be inevitable, the crowd of militant banderlogs will surrender en masse and what to do with them? Restore new federal entities from scratch, feed, put on shoes, place prisoners of war, and they obviously don’t work they will, because they don’t know how and don’t want to be able to, that’s why Piglet and K are drawing Russia into the war, they already have nothing to steal from their people, and they are fulfilling a plan to drain dill, so that later they would cry in the geyropa that Russia had offended them, otherwise they would , yes so it would, yes so it would be, but they were not given
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 12 July 2014 09: 26
      +11
      Quote: midashko
      If this is really the case in Dill

      Yes, something like that. Nihto do not want to die in the Donbass.
      We need to be even more active in conveying the truth about losses, and they, apparently, will be great in the coming days. Incl. and from the fire of the militia's MLRS "from the Russian border."
      And the matter will go: a new maydanchik, drive in zradnikov, zlochintsiv, Poroshenko on a bastard, others active themselves, as in Odessa, will set fire, overeat fat to death, jump into the Dnieper from high bridges. Yes
    4. Giant thought
      Giant thought 12 July 2014 10: 04
      +7
      The qualitative composition of the Ukrainian army is deteriorating every day, incurring daily losses, the army does not receive an equivalent replenishment. In general, Ukrainian generals will never achieve victory in this shameful war against the people.
      1. nvv
        nvv 12 July 2014 10: 32
        +1
        If they were still selected according to their mental abilities ...........
        1. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov 12 July 2014 12: 21
          +5
          Quote: nvv
          If they were still selected according to their mental abilities ...........

          Well, you said! If in Ukropina the sun is recruited according to mental abilities, then the numbers from virtual will turn into negative!
          And you yourself try to believe that the proto-digs inspired by the Wirshipisser on Ukromov Virgil dug up the Black Sea, by the way I don’t meet the deadlines anywhere? Nobody knows how long they dug a week or two?
          So no. By mental abilities, it will not work.
    5. yushch
      yushch 12 July 2014 18: 54
      0
      Quote: midashko
      If this is indeed the case in Dill, then I begin to think (and not believe as before) that Putin is acting wisely, refusing to send our troops to the South-East of Ukraine.


      He replied to the invoice of troops, saying that there were a small number of volunteers in March, when there was a threat of our troops being sent in. I think that after the introduction of our troops this number of volunteers would increase by a lot and we would automatically get a full-fledged war between our states.
  2. waisson
    waisson 12 July 2014 06: 44
    +36
    Western Ukraine is not in a hurry to help - and this is actually so there are friends so they flushed to Italy so as not to fight
    1. knn54
      knn54 12 July 2014 08: 27
      +33
      In Ukraine, NOT mobilization was disrupted — in Ukraine, a tower was disrupted.
      PS At the 28th hospital in Pomeryka / Forest Park (Kharkov), refrigerators are packed with corpses.
      On the basis of the hospital, groups of attendants have been formed. If a call or SMS comes to some phone belonging to the deceased, they should answer that "Everything is fine, we are at war, I can not call. Don't come, I have everything." For the message that their child is dead, they can kill (?).
      Mothers read SMS, everything is fine, and their children have been lying on the cold shelves of the morgue for many days.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 12 July 2014 09: 25
        +18
        Quote: knn54
        Mothers read SMS, everything is fine, and their children have been lying on the cold shelves of the morgue for many days.

        If this is really so, then it is "extremely important" to send there, even for money, some Western hack, human rights activists to speak. Publicity in this matter should deliver a "nuclear" blow to the baptist's owner.
        1. kaa_andrey
          kaa_andrey 12 July 2014 12: 50
          +5
          http://www.kp.ru/daily/26254.3/3133246/
          An article about how children of Ukrainian rulers fight: "Children of Ukrainian rulers write novels and bathe in wine"
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      3. AQUARIUS 65
        AQUARIUS 65 12 July 2014 13: 02
        +10
        Mobilization is disrupted in Ukraine - nobody wants to be "cannon fodder"

        knn54 UA
        In Ukraine, NOT mobilization disrupted, in Ukraine the tower was disrupted

        And as an answer to the age-old question - "who is to blame?" - opinion of a resident of Ukraine

        1. Des10
          Des10 12 July 2014 15: 19
          +2
          Thank you.
          And Putin is probably a little easier.
          The future of Ukraine belongs to sane ones like this girl.
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  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 12 July 2014 06: 45
    +12
    and what, the national battalions have already ended? or heroes do not want to go there anymore?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 12 July 2014 07: 05
      +13
      Quote: andrei332809
      and what, the national battalions have already ended? or heroes do not want to go there anymore?

      these only work on "clean-up operations", rob, kill, rape, this is their profession, PUNISHERS in one word.
    2. Vovan - prison
      Vovan - prison 12 July 2014 09: 00
      +4
      Blown away negative heroes lol
      1. Coconut Tima
        Coconut Tima 12 July 2014 12: 17
        -1
        My acquaintance I have a Vova prison in St. Petersburg
    3. demo
      demo 12 July 2014 12: 27
      +2
      The heroes understood one thing: they thought, they thought where to attach, after the Maidan, and they came up with a mark of minus 2 meters.
      They realized this and do not want to go there.
      But the guys from Kiev firmly said - go ahead!
  4. morprepud
    morprepud 12 July 2014 06: 46
    +9
    Nothing pleases in the morning like the failure of "friends"!
  5. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 12 July 2014 06: 46
    +12
    well, in my opinion Ukrainians like brains are starting to bounce back. as soon as the militias cover a couple of times with a hail of dill, all the militancy will subside. and yet: all the squire ukras need to think about how they will continue to live with their neighbors (this is to the squire from the Donbass) let them reduce the speed of squealing!
    1. Thesoll
      Thesoll 12 July 2014 06: 50
      +11
      These are not brains coming back to normal, these are small eggs. This is not to shoot in the back and not from under the burden, and they are not trained to fight against the machine gun.
      1. SeAl2014
        SeAl2014 12 July 2014 07: 52
        +11
        Right. This is not yet brains are playing, but a "point". It's one thing to jump in a crowd in the square, it's another to go fight with specific guys.
        1. demo
          demo 12 July 2014 12: 30
          +3
          If Mishiko Saakashvili cannot be given ties, then the rope cannot be shown to the Maidan!
          The first choke, and the second get lost.
  6. alexdol
    alexdol 12 July 2014 06: 47
    +19
    "In turn, in the ranks of the active army, there is a noticeable discontent that after the promised 45 days of conscription, many of the soldiers and officers have been serving for more than three months. In addition, it is already clear that the forces for a final solution to the problem with Donbass are clearly not enough, and hope a trained and sufficient militia is not required. "
    All this surprised me at all! Instead of going over to the PEOPLE’s side with weapons in their hands, these PRI fools are POSSIBLE! What they deserved, they got it!
    1. lg41
      lg41 12 July 2014 07: 49
      +7
      For many years, both in the west of Ukraine and in the central regions, residents have been drummed with various methods with the idea that in the southeast there are handicapped members of society, "under-people", alcoholics and criminals, who first need to be "isolated with barbed wire", and then destroy with "atomic weapons".
      The ideological treatment continues. The media continues and now. Americans, indeed, having invested large amounts of money in the conduct of the information war, have achieved great results. This is clearly in the territory of Ukraine. And objective information is simply not available to residents of Ukraine. All channels of pro-Russian TV, as well as * .ru sites are filtered.
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 12 July 2014 08: 47
      +1
      Quote: alexdol
      All this surprised me at all! Instead of going over to the PEOPLE’s side with weapons in their hands, these PRI fools are POSSIBLE! What they deserved, they got it!


      So dill propaganda with might and main works. They believe that and so on the side of THEIR people, and who is not with them, he is for RUSSIAN.
    3. demo
      demo 12 July 2014 12: 33
      +4
      In places of deployment of ukrobanditov it is necessary to place an announcement of the following content.
      "Your stay at the ATO venue is unlimited. Until your complete destruction! Rotation is not provided! Shooters."
  7. Lukich
    Lukich 12 July 2014 06: 54
    +9
    Quote: alexdol
    Instead of going to the PEOPLE’s side with arms in hand,

    so you have to fight there. and oh they don’t want to do this
    1. alexdol
      alexdol 12 July 2014 07: 21
      +14
      Lukich SU "so, after all, they will have to fight there too. Oh, how they do not want to do this"
      ---------------------------------------------------------------
      What to say to that. Actually, all NORMAL people don't want WAR! There are simply circumstances when you have to fight for a RIGHT Cause! The war that the JUNTA is waging is not a right-wing war, so only FROZEN can participate in it! But now I would like to draw attention to another point. Right now, right there on the VO there is a material "The Ukrainian army begins to experience a deficit of fighting spirit." After all, this is not about the DESIRE to fight, but about the fact that the army is BAD SUPPLY, etc. Now the next point: the inhabitants of western Ukraine are not protesting against the war as such, but complaining about the BAD provision of the soldiers of the Ukrop army, for example, no or bad ARMOR Vests, etc. So what happens if everything about which they express their COMPLAINTS is good, then LET'S FIGHT ?! GOD has completely deprived them of their reason ...
      1. Geo
        Geo 12 July 2014 10: 23
        +6
        It's ukroSMI. It is necessary to show discontent, that is, the truth, but not all. Only that the warriors are dissatisfied with something material, and they are ready to fight as much, because "all patriots are for the unitary outskirts." And armor and helmets are an excuse, you cannot say that you do not want to fight for ideological reasons, otherwise you will not be a patriot of EzalEzhnoy. Helmets do not help from "Grad", now it is a well-known all-Ukrainian fact. I don't know, maybe they will require portable mobile bomb shelters ?! But there will definitely be fewer people in helmets.
      2. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 12 July 2014 19: 20
        +1
        Quote: alexdol
        GOD completely deprived their mind ...

        I already wrote that I was surprised by their whining, precisely because of bulletproof vests! Moreover, they began to whine this from the Maidan!
        What does this mean? Ushlopki are morally ready to kill, but they don’t want to bear responsibility for this, including wounds and death. How is it in Ukrainian! The highest stage of infantilism!
        Forgive me REAL Ukrainians, this is certainly not about them!
    2. kergudu straight
      kergudu straight 12 July 2014 07: 31
      +7
      Zapadentsevs were always like that, vigilant, always in warehouses and in days at the headquarters they stayed in the deep rear and got the little bastards, but in the funeral teams they were numbered, nothing has changed, they fight only with the unarmed ones, and then when they are 10 to 1, they’re wandering differently ayululeys are fenced and ticked home to their mother’s gardens in the cellar, maybe they’ll sit out, and there the Russians will be taken prisoner and will be fed for free
  8. tommy717
    tommy717 12 July 2014 06: 58
    +2
    The article as an opium for the people inspires some optimism. God forbid less frostbitten on the fronts of New Russia
    1. VNP1958PVN
      VNP1958PVN 12 July 2014 07: 08
      +1
      If opium brings optimism, it's time for a narcologist!
  9. shishakova
    shishakova 12 July 2014 07: 07
    +3
    The war against the people, organized by Poroshenko and the oligarchs, will end with the victory of the people.
    It seems that now the Kiev authorities do not control the country.
    1. AQUARIUS 65
      AQUARIUS 65 12 July 2014 12: 02
      +2
      You are mistaken, dear. It seems that for a long time, starting from the Maidan, and not "now", the Kiev authorities, if you can call them that, do not control Ukraine, or rather what is left of it. This "remnant" has been controlled by the United States ever since. And the war against the people of Donbass was organized by them. And I agree with you that this people will win.
  10. Vek
    Vek 12 July 2014 07: 11
    +7
    These Ukrainians, they are so warlike and courageous
    1. Geo
      Geo 12 July 2014 10: 27
      +3
      Therefore, it is necessary to distinguish virtual "Colorado killers" from the parallel Internet space, from the real moods and abilities of people on the outskirts.
  11. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 12 July 2014 07: 12
    +3
    Something Urki do not look like the Slavs! Neither patriotism nor militancy was manifested. The inclinations only to sports (racing) and orienteering (find where that is bad)! request
    1. lg41
      lg41 12 July 2014 07: 58
      +3
      Galicians - not the Slavs, but the Celts. This is at the genetic level. Slavs in the western regions of Ukraine were physically destroyed when these territories were part of the Austrian state.
      1. Geo
        Geo 12 July 2014 10: 25
        0
        Yes, but sanity (regarding the instinct of self-coping) cannot be denied. There are also not many who wish to die for parashenko.
  12. azbukin77
    azbukin77 12 July 2014 07: 17
    +2
    In the face of the complete collapse of the country, well, and their degradation for a long time.
  13. Letnab
    Letnab 12 July 2014 07: 20
    +4
    The article is for those screamers who demand the introduction of troops in the Donbass.
    The article repeatedly indicates the desire of conscripts to fight in the event of a war with Russia .. What would happen if our troops really were on the territory of Ukraine, partisanism !? At present, a gradual rethinking is taking place, and still it takes time. And there, they themselves will call.
  14. Baitly
    Baitly 12 July 2014 07: 21
    +1
    Quote: waisson
    Western Ukraine is not in a hurry to help - and this is actually so there are friends so they flushed to Italy so as not to fight

    Useless!!!
    They won’t even be able to escape bully
  15. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 12 July 2014 08: 16
    +3
    But I am happy with another thing that normal people are not in a hurry in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where it is necessary to defend interests of the oligarchs famous nationality, shooting at former fellow citizens.
  16. Rigla
    Rigla 12 July 2014 08: 21
    +3
    Rotation must be required! From Galicia, the Nazis-back the coffins!
  17. thinking
    thinking 12 July 2014 08: 26
    +7
    As far as I remember, in the days of the USSR, conscription from the Donbass has always been considered one of the best in the Union, both in thought and in the development of military equipment and service. And what do you want, an industrial area, plus Cossack roots.
    1. Lunic
      Lunic 12 July 2014 09: 16
      +5
      Kharkov, we also appreciated.
      Although I will tell you this: in a separate battalion of troposphere communications in the Western Group of Forces (Leipzig), 70 percent of the drugs were from Western Ukraine. mainly drove and mechanics.
      most of the signalmen were from Kharkov, Zaporozhye, and central Russia.
      in my repair platoon (10 people), 6 zapadentsev are drivers, 1 Kharkiv citizen is a high-class turner, an athlete and a normal guy; 1-Zaporozhets-drove so-so, 1-Donetsk resident (I) communication and 1-from Sverdlovsk-Andryukha-Uvalen, The most natural guy from the Urals :) my assistant in the master communication. In electronics / radio, zero is a complete but cool and reliable kid, kind ... and he could drink liters of vodka without getting drunk. The Germans could never drink it in gashtets .. but a couple of times in a pill, it just fell after the "exit". I’m lying, we didn’t have a pill in the platoon - ours was called a "blyadovozka" because it was used more for transporting the wives of command personnel to the end (department stores) for shopping ...
      Prapora was basically all from Ukraine, although there was one Muscovite prapor Zimin (Moscow) - he remained there after the reunification of Germany - he transferred to the courier service ..

      I will say this, along with zapadentsami, we also did not like Muscovites. Even the Russian guys did not like Muscovites for their arrogance.
      Prapor Zimin was a cool man! not one liter of enemy schnapps was destroyed paired with him! :)
      We also had a Chechen Aslan, who at first refused to wash the floors and called all the "infidels" women. Then he got used to it and worked on a par with everyone else.
      1. 26rus
        26rus 12 July 2014 16: 27
        +1
        Quote: Lunic
        Cossack-drove so-so
        Yes, and the car is so-so laughing
    2. 97110
      97110 12 July 2014 13: 18
      0
      Quote: thinking
      Cossack

      I heard about the Cossacks, Cossacks ... But I have not heard or seen this yet. There must be something special.
  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 July 2014 08: 43
    +4
    Great news. They don’t want to join the army. They shoot there. And do not fight with Russia. Well, not hunting at all. And those troops that are in battle, without replenishment, how much longer they will last. Desertion, it is like dysentery. It should be the first to escape, and then you won’t hold it. And if they run away with weapons - then - hold on, Kiev.
  19. Vovan - prison
    Vovan - prison 12 July 2014 08: 56
    +2
    Sintered bastards! Heroes are bad! Scatter like cockroaches lol !!!
  20. Finches
    Finches 12 July 2014 09: 05
    +6
    So then it is! But those who still fall into the war zone get real combat experience, and this is priceless! It is very bad for us, and the inhabitants of Donbass, and the whole Ukraine, and Europe, when young people believing in the ideas of Nazism passing through the crucible of hostilities is the foundation for starting a big war in the future!
  21. ivanfly
    ivanfly 12 July 2014 09: 18
    +5
    Good tradition UKROVOYSK ...
  22. pahom54
    pahom54 12 July 2014 09: 43
    +9
    By the way, based on a negative example of mobilization in Krajina, our Russian authorities should draw some conclusions.
    We will not talk about civil war (holy-holy!) ...
    God forbid, now it will be necessary to mobilize our, Russian people ... And what can we see?
    Along with the neglect of patriotic education and the absence of an official state ideology, we have a completely destroyed mechanism of mobilization, starting with the loss of VUSs (military registration tables). As an example, I will give you: we have a town of only about 50000 population. So even I know several people who easily reached the age limit, which allows not to be drafted into the army, without leaving the city anywhere, working in it. Neither the police nor the military registration and enlistment office have "been able to find them" for these many years ... Healthy goons, and by the way, they are proud of the fact that they "cut them off" ...
    I myself am from the Kuban, so I remember that in the years of my youth, not a single girl would have married a guy who did not serve in the army, if you want to, believe it or not.
    So, rejoicing at the disrupted mobilization in Krajina, it is necessary to draw an analysis and conclusions, and take measures so that on the first call our guys would line up at the call points without any coercion. And unfortunately, everything seems to go to this need ...
  23. Gypsy girl
    Gypsy girl 12 July 2014 09: 52
    +1
    Well, yes, it’s not possible to ride cookies on the Maidan ...
  24. Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 July 2014 10: 04
    +4
    "National Guard of Ukraine" - "Those who want to be ready to defend the borders of Ukraine and undergo express training, join the ranks of reservists. You can become a voluntary defender of the country by signing up for the recruiting service. A reservist can be a person aged 18 to 50, and in the guard even girls are hired. It doesn't matter whether you served before or not. "

    2 weeks of preparation, and that's it - the cannon fodder is ready. And "this" is called the National Guard.
    The 1st battalion was gouged near Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, "The 2nd seems to be still breathing. Now there are about 150 people in the training center.
  25. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 12 July 2014 10: 10
    +9
    However, there are likely to be successes in mobilization, especially since most of the draftees promise not to be sent to the combat zone, but to leave in the "front-line" area to serve at checkpoints and rear facilities.

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/373/cvhd413.jpg
    1. Malayan
      Malayan 12 July 2014 11: 48
      0
      These are just for the rear service, only armored trunks are needed.
    2. Yasondinalt
      Yasondinalt 12 July 2014 18: 17
      0
      Moves, I think, backwards - they are so handier. More familiar than that.
  26. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 12 July 2014 10: 12
    +4
    So, in the second largest city in the region - Melitopol

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/212/lhtx276.jpg
  27. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 12 July 2014 10: 15
    +2
    Well, and those young people who flicker on the screens of television channels, demanding an active war in the Donbass, prefer to stay in the capital, limiting themselves to participating in rallies.

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/196/sdnm736.jpg
    1. Hlivki
      Hlivki 12 July 2014 16: 11
      +2
      If I am not mistaken - is Lyashko’s wife?
  28. sv68
    sv68 12 July 2014 10: 18
    0
    THIS PUTIN IS GUILTY !!! wassat
    1. guard
      guard 12 July 2014 12: 21
      +5
      Ukrainians are strange people: they pray for Bendera, work for Jews, die for an American, and the Russians are to blame for everything
  29. Veteran of the Red Army
    Veteran of the Red Army 12 July 2014 10: 20
    +6
    A few days later, all this improvised army ended up in the anti-terrorist operation zone, as a result, the brigade soon suffered noticeable losses,

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/351/jrry303.jpg
  30. Uzer 13.
    Uzer 13. 12 July 2014 10: 29
    +4
    Soon the junta will have to declare a total mobilization, and even hurry up, until the army scattered home.
  31. DPZ
    DPZ 12 July 2014 10: 30
    +2
    increase the draft age to 65 years
    lol
    would do from 65 and up. it is easier to assemble such an army, it is already difficult to scatter and hide. in the area of ​​pharmacies put patrols and grab pence.
  32. Lunic
    Lunic 12 July 2014 10: 34
    +3
    Quote: pahom54
    so I remember that in the years of my youth, not a single girl would have married a guy who did not serve in the army, if you want to, believe it or not.

    In Donetsk, it was exactly the same. if you didn’t serve, it’s kind of like a flawed one .. I won’t say that I myself was eager for the army, the girls, alcohol and freedom for the army did not have it, but we must pay the debt to the country! besides, the father-officer is a guardsman and both grandfathers died in the war.
    1. Kerzhak
      Kerzhak 12 July 2014 18: 55
      0
      I also served under such an emblem.
  33. Commissar of the NKVD
    Commissar of the NKVD 12 July 2014 10: 35
    +6
    Well, thick dill, so you are blown away! Something very fast, the war has only been going on for three months, and you already have a bench press! It turns out that the cattle are also able to fight and fight well! It turned out that they also kill! But how you yelled on Internet forums in the middle of spring: we, yes we, yes we! And what warlike avatars! And what nicknames! "Getman", "Zaporozhets", "Blow Party". And how did they start killing you (already in reality, with Grads, yes, several dozen a day) - that's it? Where did your belligerence go, your desire to put cancer on the damned "Colorado" in one fell swoop and conquer Russia to Siberia before the winter cold? Of course, I understand that in front of the lenses of Western cameras to throw "Berkut" cocktails named after one People's Commissar and shout about "Glory to Ukraine!" is one thing. But when your western patrons are only formidable in words, but in real life they have disregarded your lamentations with dry rations and do not send corrupt journalists, you cannot indulge in this, right? By the way, something yesterday I did not hear the warlike cries like after the retreat of the Militia army from Slavyansk. What, shut up? Lost speech?
  34. sever.56
    sever.56 12 July 2014 11: 13
    +6
    People with a sound mind will not go to the Ukrop army, realizing that this is a criminal war, and they can even kill. So they drive to slaughter everyone who is caught - the sick, alcoholics, etc. So these are not warriors. Another thing is convinced Bandera, fascists, sadists and beings with mental disabilities. They constitute the backbone of the National Guard, units of the "Right Sector" and other "basics". They must be destroyed mercilessly.
  35. Iline
    Iline 12 July 2014 11: 31
    +3
    If the country declares mobilization only for a local war, which in fact is the so-called "ATO", then this speaks of the weakness of all these paramilitary formations such as nat. guard and discharged forces of Ukraine. There is no idea and people for the smell of tobacco do not rush to defend the interests of some uncle in Kiev.
    And the very fact of mobilization speaks of a developed war. In Russia, even during the conflicts in Chechnya, this was not the case. Draw conclusions.
  36. Combitor
    Combitor 12 July 2014 11: 36
    +4
    <Other western regions, whose inhabitants were initially very enthusiastic about the idea of ​​war in Donbass, are increasingly losing their desire to become soldiers>
    And who will have the desire to go on the attack against armed, strong, motivated men? Another thing is to "fight" against the civilian population, and, sitting at the firing points, throw shells and mines on residential buildings, kindergartens and hospitals.
    Well, those who went to fight against their fellow citizens, what will they tell their children about this war? How were the buses with refugees shot? How were they robbed and looted? How did they throw shells and mines, bombed and fired from planes in populated areas in which there was not a single armed person? How were the "cleansing operations" carried out, shooting all suspicious ones? What will they tell their children and what pictures and awards will they show? And how will they then live with this for the rest of their lives?
    1. Kerzhak
      Kerzhak 12 July 2014 18: 49
      0
      They will hide it all from everyone.
  37. DMB-88
    DMB-88 12 July 2014 11: 58
    +2
    Dill, before it’s too late, go to the side of the Union of the DNI and LC, otherwise you will have a pointless, inevitable death or imprisonment in the SBU!
  38. pr 627
    pr 627 12 July 2014 12: 30
    +4
    Once again you are convinced that the Ukrainians are born freeloaders. Oil, gas must also be fought by someone else for free. It looks like what kind of people is this and the state.
  39. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 July 2014 13: 05
    +1
    I believe that everything in Ukraine is bad only when the hryvnia falls. In the meantime, she holds on. It is clear that one can gloat over this and that. But you need to look at the final indicator. And this is the territory controlled by the militia in the South-East and the national currency of Ukraine. While we have handed over part of the settlements around Slavyansk, the hryvnia exchange rate is somehow not in a hurry collapsing. Once again, this is not for long. But ... it's too early to celebrate.
    1. Kerzhak
      Kerzhak 12 July 2014 18: 48
      0
      I would say that after the "capture" of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, the hryvnia exchange rate is in no hurry to recover.
  40. Venier
    Venier 12 July 2014 13: 06
    +2
    information that gets into the media from other sources clearly indicates that there were even fewer people willing to fight their compatriots in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine than those willing to "fight" with Russia.
    Fools! For To wish to fight with Russia is to wish to quickly go to the grave.
  41. Svetovod
    Svetovod 12 July 2014 13: 28
    +2
    The Germans, under the guise of "their own", are putting together an expendable army of unjust and cheap anti-terrorists.
  42. repus
    repus 12 July 2014 13: 45
    +1
    Quote: vek
    These Ukrainians, they are so warlike and courageous

    : o) I started talking, I need to finish the thought - dill is so belligerent and impudent as cats, until they get a slipper in the face: o))
  43. voveim
    voveim 12 July 2014 14: 42
    +2
    Thus, increasing the composition by several times, the team was staffed with people with epilepsy ...

    Well, and let these fittings cramp in front of the others, and let their tongues bite off !!! But what a lift of morale they will provide to fellow soldiers!
  44. Hlivki
    Hlivki 12 July 2014 16: 06
    +4
    Ukrozombi - cowardly creatures. They thought that the war would be fun, but it turned out - they kill here. Do not go to Donbass creatures !!!
  45. Kerzhak
    Kerzhak 12 July 2014 18: 24
    0
    A country whose population does not want to serve does not have a right to exist.
  46. Yasondinalt
    Yasondinalt 12 July 2014 18: 27
    +2
    You can shout for the war, Maidan and call while this very war is somewhere far away. And the coffin does not come to your neighbors, but victorious reports so inspire and inspire. But gradually the load of 200 is already in your hometown, and the numbers of losses are told in a whisper, and you start thinking: "What if tomorrow is me!" And I am the navel of the earth, the whole universe. I want to live, I cannot be killed. I want to drink beer, make fun of the unarmed, with young fascists tutti-frutti, in the sense of trawling-wali. I'd rather support our glorious army here.
    Look at how pathetic they are - these are the basics, the Donbass, and the other shushwal of the National Party when they are in captivity. Impunity is so corrupting.
  47. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 12 July 2014 19: 24
    0
    Quote: lg41
    And objective information is simply not available to residents of Ukraine. All channels of pro-Russian TV, as well as * .ru sites are filtered.


    And the level of intelligence does not allow to use sites-"anonymizers" and all sorts of "proxies" there?
    It would be a wish ...
  48. sasa
    sasa 12 July 2014 19: 25
    -2
    The only thing that pleases me, if it is certainly true, is that the mobilization age should be raised to 65 years! Bo refused me, because of the great age! angry And here is a reference about the wounded "volunteer", but not the fact that he was rescued, but his reaction is interesting! http://censor.net.ua/news/293543/vernuvshis_s_togo_sveta_v_ukrainskoyi_bolnitse_
    naemnik_iz_rf_poobeschal_ubit_svoih_spasiteleyi
    And of course the comments for this case - compare with yours, I highly recommend it! Yes, by the way, everything is almost in Russian there !!! wink
  49. Monk
    Monk 12 July 2014 21: 46
    0
    The introduction of the armed forces of Russia is necessary for the parachute, because he does not know where to put 60-70 thousand fascists, and they will go to the geyropu with weapons in their hands, so they need to be destroyed physically .. here’s the bucket and they are fighting in hysterics.
  50. Cristall
    Cristall 12 July 2014 23: 04
    0
    sluggish ATO generally pleases no one.
    Mobilization in general from the very beginning did not cause any enthusiasm.
    If Ukraine had prepared from the very beginning in Kherson for the war for the Crimea (the first accumulation of equipment and forces), then many would have gone. The fact is that even at our company everyone was eager to fight for Krym, all the former military men and those who had served went off, they started preparing the company’s transport for the army — they submitted serviceable lists, they also called for the closest reserve, in general, there were some 2 weeks splash. I didn’t expect that in Odessa they would be ready to go beyond the Crimea ... But everyone was on fire .. and then they started to fight with the people and that's it .. the people immediately showed the muzzle to Kiev ...
    And then May 2 struck ... and all of Odessa burned out to do something for Ukraine in general .. and even more so in the east. Although the center and the south are fighting in the east (zapadentsev weak at all)
    If you were in the place of sponsors (that is, stirring up a war with the Russian Federation), you immediately had to take Kiev idiots for barges and give an order to advance to the Crimea when Smerchy was pulled up. And so we were all lucky that there were not enough brains without tea in Kiev then ...