Multi-Vector Astana

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Multi-Vector Astana


Special approaches to a number of key issues of integration and regional policy, which Astana demonstrates over and over again, cover more and more areas and, ultimately, pose a number of complex and sensitive issues for Moscow.

Difficult - from the fact that Kazakhstan is important for Russia. Without cooperation with it, our "Central Asian Party", key to Eurasian integration, is doomed to failure. Sharp - because Astana, in the struggle for leadership and a “special role”, has long been operating without regard to the interests of Moscow. And if necessary, it is easy enough to make contact with other participants of the “Big Game” for post-Soviet Central Asia.

And it’s not that there was some sort of "Eastern cunning" or a stable anti-Russian position of local elites, although this, of course, is the place to be. “National pragmatism” dictates “foreign policy multi-vector approach”, in other words, nothing personal, only state interests are relatively young still “independence”. But for us, Russia, this is not easier. After all, the notorious “multi-vector” is always a delicate balance between the “national interests” and blackmail of Russia, the “special conditions of partnership” and the demand from the Kremlin for loyalty payments.

Actually, it should not be a shock, like this is called real politics. But then the other side has the same pragmatic assessment of whether the partner is worth the funds and resources that are invested in it?

In fact, in the eyes of Russian society, experts and political elites, Kazakhstan received some kind of indulgence. If “something in some places sometimes” and looks strange, and sounds alarmingly, then this is attributed to the temporary costs of the heavy legacy of the collapse of the USSR. An unpretentious scheme has firmly established in the public consciousness: “Kazakhstan consistently moves along the course of Eurasian integration in partnership with Russia, and Uzbekistan deliberately ceases all relations with Moscow, as evidenced not only by the country's withdrawal from the CSTO, but also story with the “pushing out” of MTS from the Uzbek market ”.

Naturally, Kazakhstani journalists and lobbyists played a significant role in the implementation of this scheme, but the role should not be exaggerated: the ideas of Eurasian integration already so captured the “political masses” that everything that does not fit into the thesis of their successful implementation is simply discarded.

At first glance, Nursultan Nazarbayev seems to be a consistent and committed supporter of integration, especially since it was he who twenty years ago, in October 1994, at the CIS summit made a project to create a Eurasian Union. Relying on the thesis of the unity of the fate of the peoples of Eurasia and the need to preserve this unity within the borders of the former USSR, he then, in fact, put forward the idea of ​​creating a confederative state before the assembled. This step alone was enough to consolidate the idea of ​​it as a champion of integration in the public consciousness. And it was completely unimportant that then the proposals of the Kazakh president were rejected.

It could not be otherwise, and someone who, and such a sophisticated politician as N. Nazarbayev clearly understood this. Only three years, as national elites became sovereign masters in their republics, all lucrative places have not yet been divided, relations between clans and groups have not yet been settled. Why, it was not yet clear whether those who had come to power in the now sovereign republics would be able to preserve this power. And N. Nazarbayev actually offered them, albeit in a mild form, to once again hang around the neck of the yoke of the Center and voluntarily agree to limit the privileges and liberties that had expired from the newly-acquired independence. What was the likelihood of making such a proposal?

Absolutely zero, and Nursultan Abishevich understood this perfectly well, since he had never been noticed in political idealism.

The society shocked by the collapse of the country until the last believed that it was not for long, and N. Nazarbayev with his statements gave him hope. Moreover, these gifts were treated to him completely free of charge, and he received a significant gain in the rating in the post-Soviet space.

And not so much on this very post-Soviet space, as inside their own country. According to the 1989 census of the year, the population of the Kazakh SSR was 17 million, of which Kazakhs were 6,5 million, and, speaking with “unification initiatives”, N. Nazarbayev simply had to take into account the number of “non-title” for which, unlike the Kazakh political elites, the collapse of a great country carried no financial, economic or political benefits.

But when the situation changed, when by the mid-2000s, with the same population, the Kazakhs had already reached about 11 million - although these findings of local statisticians dispute, but the main trend is precisely this: “Nazi Nabarbayev’s“ integration aspirations ” acquire an entirely different character. A vivid example is the story of the notorious Union of Turkic-speaking states.

“We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people,” he said two years ago during a visit to Ankara. “After the last Kazakh Khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union.” Over 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. With the help of the Almighty, we in 1991 declared our independence. Your ancestors, leaving the historic homeland, from the Turkic Kaganate, took with them the name of the Turkic people. Until now, the Turks called the best horsemen - "Cossack". Here we are these Kazakhs. ” He added: “The time will come when all the Turks will unite. Therefore, I want to greet all Turkic brothers. Between Altai and the Mediterranean Sea live over 200 millions of brothers. If we all unite, we will be a very effective force in the world. ”

The plan of this union of all Turks was widely seen: the creation of a common information space, an increase in the number of transport corridors between countries and the expansion of transport infrastructure. The same N. Nazarbayev proposed to create the executive bodies of the union, in his words, “a real organizational component” that would allow Turkic integration to have “all the necessary signs of a political regional association, legal status and certain organizational structures”. His proposals were heard, the Council of Heads of Turkic-speaking states, the Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs, the Council of Elders and the Committee of Senior Officials appeared. The coordination of economic cooperation is managed by the Turkic Business Council, and the cultural one by the Foundation for the Preservation of Turkic Culture in Baku.

And again, initially it was clear that no serious unification of Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan would occur.

But N. Nazarbayev again scored points with a single statement, this time among Pan-Turkists who seriously believed that Astana could use Pan-Turkism as an opportunity to claim regional leadership.

However, this time the Kazakh president played “on the verge of a foul”: if the prospects of the union itself were very doubtful, then as a catalyst for the growth of nationalist sentiments directly in Russia, this idea could easily work. Today, in the post-Soviet space, the Pan-Turkic project has remained only in the form of periodically arranged summits of the heads of the Turkic states, where everything, in general, boils down to geopolitical manilovism. But in itself, Pan-Turkism remains an idea uniting a part of anti-Russian forces both inside our country and in the post-Soviet space. It is very early to put a point on this issue, and therefore the threats from the followers of Pan-Turkism are far from exhausted.

This is the flip side of the multi-vector approach that Astana professes. Its peak fell on the same 2012 year, when at an extraordinary summit of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the Kazakh delegation supported the suspension of Syria’s membership in this organization - which, by the way, was opposed by Iran and Algeria at this conference.

All the “integration initiatives” that N. Nazarbayev has spoken with over the past twenty years or so are turned out to be just declarations. Integration - it after all assumes a choice of the side, but just this the president and political elites of the republic are trying to avoid with all their might.

This is the essence of Astana’s multi-vector approach - to create a system in which a larger player “will not touch” because other, equally serious members of the geopolitical party will not allow it.

The final document, signed at the end of May at a meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council, means the emergence of the largest economic union in the world after the European Union - the EAEU, spread over a vast territory with a population of 170 million people. Why, then, many have the feeling of a certain understatement and "unfinishedness" from this event?

Several hundred pages of this document were created for almost three years. The same time there was a struggle between the two ideologies of this integration association. Representatives of the same point of view persistently ensured that the new education from the very beginning was of the most profound character, right down to the general guarding of the borders and the unified armed forces. The expression of the second point of view was, first of all, the political elites of Kazakhstan, who insisted that the EAEU is an exclusively economic project.

This second point of view and won before signing the final document 29 May. Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan Samat Ordabayev noted with some pride: “We left the politicization of the Treaty, and therefore the Union, the whole backbone is purely economic interaction. Due to the consistent position of Kazakhstan, such issues as general citizenship, foreign policy, inter-parliamentary cooperation, the passport and visa sphere, general border security, export controls, and so on were excluded from the Treaty. ”

The main integration negotiator from Russia, Igor Shuvalov, tried with all his might to convince the Kazakh side that "the modern world has already worked out a good scheme of preserving state independence and sovereignty in parallel with participation in economic integration associations." He said that the Russian side had to “spend a lot of time convincing Kazakhstan’s partners that the solutions offered by us do not hide an attempt on their sovereignty”. But it was not possible to change the position of Astana.

The uncompromising principledness of Kazakhstan had a completely understandable explanation - Astana can dictate, since other significant players will not allow it to put pressure on it, this is Washington and Beijing.

With the United States, N. Nazarbayev has built his party much more carefully than integration initiatives.

In August 2005 of the year, as part of his visit to the United States, Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan, introduced the then Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, with a program of full-scale social and political reforms announced by the President of Kazakhstan. And at the same time, Washington made an unprecedented statement: this program, in the opinion of the American side, "represents the optimal development model for other states of the Central Asian region." N. Nazarbayev achieved the main thing: his claims for regional leadership, for a special role in the region, were recognized by the USA itself.

Further, Washington had only to develop success, to consolidate its presence in Kazakhstan, which it does today. In 2012, American companies invested over 37 billion dollars in Kazakhstan, that is, 16,4 percent of the total foreign investment in the country.

Transnational ExxonMobil, the world's largest privately-owned oil company, whose main shareholders are from the US and Qatar, owns in Kazakhstan 7,5 percent of shares of the Caspian Pipeline Consortium, 16,81 percent of the Kashagan oil field and a quarter of the Tengiz oil field. American Chevron follows after her: 15 percent of the shares of the same consortium, half of the Tengiz field and 20 percent of the Karachaganak field. And the last in the top three is again the American ConocoPhillips, which has a 8,4 percentage of the Kashagan deposit. Now - for "balance." During his visit to Astana, the head of the PRC, Xi Jinping, in September last year, an agreement was signed, according to which, in exchange for five billion dollars, the state-owned China National Oil and Gas Corporation acquired a substantial share of the same Kashagan, and another thirty billion would be Beijing’s investments in Kazakhstan’s economy.

The picture of Astana’s external debt is no less significant: its largest creditors are the Netherlands - more than 32 billion dollars, the United Kingdom - about 21,1 billion, China - 14,6 billion, USA - 14,3 billion, France - 7,8 billion. Russia has 3,5 billion Kazakhstani debt, less than 5 percent.

After that, it should not be surprising that Astana is very responsive to requests from external partners. For years, the United States has been “friendly” advising Astana, firstly, not to participate in any energy projects involving the laying of pipelines through Iranian territory. And, secondly, it is recommended to limit Iran’s participation in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, to “keep” Tehran on the threshold of this and other regional institutions in an unspecified status of “observer”, along with Afghanistan and Mongolia. What actually Astana does ...

It remains only to admire this art of balancing on the rope between Moscow avenues, Beijing skyscrapers and the labyrinths of Washington.

To admire - and clearly understand that due to a number of reasons of an objective and subjective nature, Astana in the current integration party plays only for itself. Well, and a little - “for that guy,” but not for Russia. Having signed the agreement on the EAEU, N. Nazarbayev, with the full support of local elites, intends to continue to make every effort so that the integration processes do not go too far, do not cross the framework of economic partnership.

Even a seemingly quite obvious thing, the military-technical cooperation of our countries causes fierce resistance. This was vividly demonstrated by the April debate in the Senate of the Republic of Kazakhstan on the adoption of the draft law “On ratification of the Agreement between the Government of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Government of the Russian Federation on the development and implementation of joint work programs in the field of military-technical cooperation in the interests of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation”. There is no need for comments, just quotes.

Senator Orynbai Rakhmanberdiev: “The conversation is about exemption from conducting procedures, competitions and so on. How will these contracts be carried out without tenders? Our Armed Forces are equipped not only with Russian equipment, we also have Turkish equipment, and other states supply us. Are we giving a reason for corruption? ”

Senator Gani Kasimov: “What is there in Russia? All 40-year-old, 50-year-old technologies. They are all that they can, this “Lada” gives us in civil proceedings. Now militarily bring the same technology. ”

And finally, the key, Senator Mukhtar Altynbayev: "All the same, Russia must be taken from, therefore they somewhat ease the fate here, so that all this would be cheaper".

The situation is similar with regard to the further integration vector. In terms of its parameters, the EEU does not reach the new world “pole” or “power center”, while remaining a regional association.

It is possible and necessary to overcome this regionality, but for this it is absolutely necessary to determine the foreign policy vector of expanding the influence of the EAEU, the direction of efforts in the search for allies and partners. And here everyone remembers the recent efforts of Kazakhstan to prevent the transformation of the Customs Union into a supranational political association, such as the USSR or the EU, which is why Nursultan Nazarbayev opposed the accession of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan to the Customs Union, but did not agree with the entry of Armenia there, but advocated Adoption of the NATO member of Turkey to the CU.

The notorious multi-vector approach, which turns into emasculation of the idea of ​​post-Soviet integration in the direction advantageous for external players, is a dangerous virus with which Astana may well infect other EAEU partners. Perhaps, one should not panic about this. But you need to be protected from this virus.
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  1. +11
    12 July 2014 18: 36
    Novodvorskaya grunted, ehhhhh. All my life she fought with Russia, but Russia exists, but she no longer exists. That she lived, all in vain.
    1. +2
      12 July 2014 18: 38
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Novodvorskaya grunted, ehhhhh. All my life she fought with Russia, but Russia exists, but she no longer exists. That she lived, all in vain.

      I am going to buy fireworks, salutes and vodka. A good day..
      1. 0
        12 July 2014 18: 51
        Quote: Akvadra
        I am going to buy fireworks, salutes and vodka. A good day..

        I agree, the day was a success, if such a reptile hooves threw back - successful in double !!! I'll go for a beer ...
        1. +6
          12 July 2014 22: 06
          Quote: ziqzaq
          I agree, the day was a success, if such a reptile hooves threw back - successful in double !!! I'll go for a beer ...

          Yeah, the minus was already slapped into nothing other than ardent admirers of Valeria Ilinichna ... Well, I began to hate this one ..... after the poster in the hands of this individual on which it was written "Chechen patriots, kill more Russian invaders" (unfortunately literal text I can't remember, but I conveyed the meaning for sure) ...
          So let's minus, but for me it's still a good day .....
      2. +1
        13 July 2014 19: 32
        Quote: Akvadra
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Novodvorskaya grunted, ehhhhh. All my life she fought with Russia, but Russia exists, but she no longer exists. That she lived, all in vain.

        I am going to buy fireworks, salutes and vodka. A good day..

        Novodvorskie come and go! But Russia remains !!!
        And let's go to Brudershaft on the occasion of her death !! One new homecoming is less, which means it’s easier for us to live without one annoying dung fly !!
    2. +1
      12 July 2014 18: 45
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Novodvorskaya grunted, ehhhhh.

      how? !!! here, after all, such a personality threw back ... it became boring crying
      a dream, not a woman love smart, beautiful ...
      py.sy. if anyone needs me, look in the room number 6
      1. +19
        12 July 2014 19: 54
        It will be boring without her. crying

        Have you forgotten about the article? From an imperial standpoint, the article is excellent! How are the Kazakhs conducting an independent policy! Mess! Why do not stand up and go after the helmsman? The article is simply silent that American capital is being expelled from Kazakhstan. In Ekibas, in the 90s and early 2000s, ALL large enterprises were under the control of American business; now we forgot about Americans, enterprises were nationalized. The Tengiz field was 100% owned by the United States, but Chevron could have left only 20% of the oil extracted when the contract expired and they left home. In the 90s, Kazakhstan needed money and it was possible to count only on revenues from the sale of oil, and at that time not a single field was developed in Kazakhstan. So I had to call the Americans. Russia then was not up to Kazakhstan, it was on the verge of collapse. The Russians need to decide whether they need a strong ally, or if they need colonies from backward countries. If the latter, then Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan will be a great help. I think NAS is right about Turkey. And with regard to political integration, everything has its own time, you need to learn how to work together, and then comes the understanding that everything that is acquired together needs to be defended together. And from the author’s point of view, all EAEU states should not even adhere to, but strictly follow the political line of Moscow. Tajiks and Kyrgyzstan, with their standard of living, will now fall under anyone just to make life better. The provision of the Manas base by the Kyrgyzs to the United States, and the sale of part of the territory to China by the Tajiks is a good example.
        1. +16
          12 July 2014 20: 58
          The author is Ikram Sobirov. There were not enough Russian instructors-whistleblowers for us, now Uzbeks also teach and expose us, but it is becoming sadder. And if on the topic, then the NAS is primarily the president of the Republic of Kazakhstan and protects the interests of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the first place, and if the interests of integration do not contradict the interests of the Republic of Kazakhstan, then everything will be ok, if there is a conflict of interests, then this is a topic for negotiations and not an occasion to teach and expose.
          1. -4
            12 July 2014 21: 33
            Senator Gani Kasimov: “What is there in Russia? All 40-year-old, 50-year-old technologies. They are all that they can, this “Lada” gives us in civil proceedings. Now militarily bring the same technology. ”

            I don’t want to answer rudely, but my hands itch - and how many RK has developed breakthrough technologies, and just how much significant (if only for the construction of yurts and the technology of nomadic cattle breeding). The duplicity of the policy pursued by the Republic of Kazakhstan is obvious to all sane and will only be further aggravated. It is a pity, but it will end badly for both the Republic of Kazakhstan and Russia.
            Quote: Semurg
            if the interests of integration do not contradict the interests of the Republic of Kazakhstan, then everything will be ok

            In such matters, there is no continuous continuous benefit, it is always a compromise - "you love to ride, love and sled to carry."
            1. +7
              12 July 2014 22: 19
              Quote: velikoros-xnumx
              The duplicity of RK policy is obvious to all sane
              In any case, politics is a dirty business and Russian politics suffers from duplicity. Take, for example, the migration policy - in words in the media, simplifying the acquisition of citizenship for Russians, and there is a clause in the migration legislation, and it is still in effect - "deportation from Russia, an outstanding conviction, service in the army of a foreign state is the basis for refusing to grant Russian citizenship ". I am a Russian, I served in the army of Kazakhstan and therefore cannot obtain Russian citizenship.
              1. 0
                13 July 2014 03: 35
                service in the army of a foreign state is the basis for refusal to grant Russian citizenship. "I am a Russian, served in the army of Kazakhstan and therefore cannot obtain Russian citizenship.

                why do people mislead it? It becomes easier from a lie, or something ...
            2. +3
              12 July 2014 23: 26
              Velikoros. A compromise is good, it is mutual concessions and coordination, and there are no two opinions, one is my right and the other. And what you wrote about sledges, about sledges, is rather a payment for pleasure and not a compromise.
            3. +4
              13 July 2014 10: 11
              Quote: velikoros-xnumx
              I do not want to answer rudely, but my hands itch
              Hands with my soap, and wherever you go, do not sui. Then itching will not.
              Quote: Semurg
              Now Uzbeks teach us, expose, but it becomes all sadder
              Need to rejoice. The article reflects the centuries-old rivalry between the Kazakhs and Uzbeks.
              For many centuries, the Uzbeks (their ancestors) were leaders in Central Asia, now the situation has changed radically.
              And now the Uzbeks are gastarbarty Kazakhs, and not vice versa ..
              And the Uzbek article is similar to the numerous articles of Armenians about Azerbaijan and Turkey.
              Quote: Argyn
              And for the Kazakhs, the Kirghiz are neither close nor close relatives.
              Nda, but what about: "Kazakh-Kyrgyz bir tugan .."
              By the way, I noticed that now the Kyrgyz in the internet are trying to hook, pry the Kazakhs.
              Quote: Argyn
              The fact that Kenesary was killed by traitors is a fact. Do not respect us then why do we respect you?
              Again, Kenesary's grandfather, Ablai "ogniem i mieczem" walked through the Kyrgyz ailas, so they had every right.
          2. +4
            14 July 2014 08: 59
            Hello dear! Don’t be sad, this is just the beginning, soon the citizens of Burkina Faso will write a complaint to the UN against the National Academy of Sciences and accuse him of insufficient attention to the interests of Russia in their country! It is quite possible to call this article complete nonsense if I did not consider it to be custom-made. Once again I repeat that the article is not against the Republic of Kazakhstan, but against the Russian Federation, well, Russia should not have allies !!!!
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        3. +8
          12 July 2014 21: 01
          Quote: Canep
          The Russians need to decide whether they need a strong ally, or if they need colonies from backward countries.
          - good Soberly. But here Russia needs to learn to keep strong allies in the orbit of its influence. The United States won the third world economy Japan (it is now the third after the United States and China, and earlier - after the United States and the USSR) in its orbit, and the USSR was unable to keep China, which was not even one of the ten largest economies at that time. So it is better to let there appear articles on how to sanctify the art of keeping powerful allies in the orbit of your influence than articles on how to weaken powerful allies and include such weak ones as their provinces. After all, the second path is the path to ibeya, to collapse under its own weight. But no, yesterday some general regretted that he did not follow the American path of colonization (the article is called like, "people need to be made to believe that they are still able"), today we are talking about the same thing again.
          1. +1
            12 July 2014 21: 42
            Quote: aksakal
            The States won the third world economy in Japan (it is now the third after the USA and China, and earlier after the USA and the USSR) in its orbit, and the USSR was not able to keep China, which was not even among the ten largest economies then.

            Incorrect example, like a "jade rod" laughing with a finger to compare. The United States, under the San Francisco Treaty, has had and continues to have a developed network of naval and air bases in Japan today, i.e. de facto Japan after 1945 is an occupied country with very limited sovereignty, and in fact a semi-colony of the United States.
            1. +5
              12 July 2014 23: 32
              Quote: velikoros-xnumx
              The United States, under the San Francisco Treaty, has had and continues to have a developed network of naval and air bases in Japan today, i.e. de facto Japan after 1945

              - Yes, this does not keep Japan as a colony, stop it. So what network (of course, on a scale appropriate to the country) was in Vietnam or Cuba - did this save the United States from exile? In Vietnam, not even a network - direct punitive fighting in general! And it didn’t help. I wouldn’t like Yapia - she would have expelled the same way. Other ties were much stronger - economic (through the dollar and the conversion of the yen into dollar and vice versa), political (some unions, associations and others) ... the USSR kept China with ideology alone and Mao's respect for Stalin! Stalin did not - Mao did not intend to respect Khrushchev, and in his person the whole USSR. And ideology ... And what about ideology? Mao modified it to Maoism and China was enough ...
              After such failures and this kind of "retention" with such, if I may say so, the shackles begin to regret - it should have been like this, and like that! And the administrative borders are not national ones (but which ones are still interesting? am ) featured pursue! It’s good that at least I didn’t directly cite the amers as an example — even those classically Indians have annexed the Indian territory so irrevocably that yes, it’s worth taking an example from them! And you just need to know, even Gumilev argued - there are different nations, old and young. Sooner or later, any nation has a passionary rise - and the nation creates a state. Well, the nation did not ripen at the time of colonization to enter the stage of passionary recovery, and now what, immediately take measures to eternal fixation of that form of the colony? So I will tell that general - it’s not the most efficient border areas, but the total destruction of the colonized population and then you don’t need to take a steam bath with these border areas.
              And so I never saw an article on how to keep a strong ally in the orbit of my influence, not a single one. Both in Japan and in Germany they explain in a simplified way - like, there are amers' bases, and these powerful powers with rather sickly armed forces of their own (and the Japs even have aircraft carriers! Russia does not have them, the USSR was not ripe to create - and Japan had them and has!) type in prostration with horror in front of these bases! Aren't you funny yourself from these explanations? By the way, the terrible in intensity trade wars between Japan and the USA in the field of politics and military alliance did not affect in any way! This also needs to be explained! And not just moan: oh, what former colonies are not good! Just a little - they fled. And now they don't want to go back! Get busy! You have learned to play geopolitical chess with opposition at the very least, now you would learn to create alliances with the deliberate occupation of leading positions there and hold this union for a long time instead of groaning and making claims. There are claims to all - to the Eastern European efforts because of Russophobia, to the allies - because of insufficient loyalty ... Yesterday's general wrote that he dissuaded the political leadership of the Soviet Union "to expand the sphere of influence of the USSR!" He confuses the terms! Planting various kinds of idlers on their necks, simply declaring that they "have chosen the socialist path of development" is not an expansion of their influence, this is the breeding of parasites on their bodies. And what is the expansion of the sphere of influence in the true sense of this phrase - in Russia until now, no one knows, because no one has seriously dealt with this issue.
        4. -3
          13 July 2014 00: 01
          Minesweeper, excuse me, I disagree with you .... well, I don’t believe either Nazarbayev or Old Man ... everyone wants to fuck their gesheft, incl. and at the expense of Russia, which, apart from the Empire, I can’t imagine ... and Russia does not have allies, only temporary agreements ... and EURASES is as unviable as the EEC ..
        5. +3
          14 July 2014 08: 50
          [quote = Canep] It will be boring without her. crying

          Have you forgotten about the article? [quote] [/ quote]
          Why remember this article? Another libel on the topic "Russia has no allies" or rather "Russia should not have allies"! The article is more directed against Russia than against Kazakhstan. And to the gentlemen from Ukraine, in particular, I will answer knn54, how many presidents in Ukraine have changed in 23 years? How many in Kazakhstan? Here is the news about the re-introduced this is really news !!!!!!!
      2. +2
        12 July 2014 22: 20
        And I will remember her in such a T-shirt!
      3. +2
        12 July 2014 23: 10
        About the dead, either good or nothing. She did not deserve anything good, so you need to forget her forever ...
    3. -1
      12 July 2014 21: 31
      Nazarbayev is a friend of the Russian Federation, but he is the president of Kazakhstan.
      - But N. Nazarbayev again scored points, this time among the pan-Turkists ...
      Events in Libya, Egypt, Syria, and Iraq have shown - pan-Turkism, Wahhabism, EVERYTHING is the work of Western directors who use Sunni Muslims as cannon fodder against their geopolitical rivals - Russia, Iran, and China ....
      -This is the essence of Astana’s multi-vector approach - to create a system in which a larger player “does not touch” because other, no less serious members of the geopolitical party will allow it.
      If there were no allies in Russia, wealth would have long belonged to the USA, Turkey, and the PRC. And these guys certainly do not "dream" of your prosperity. Yes, and "maydanutyh", I think you have enough ...
      1. 0
        12 July 2014 21: 47
        Quote: knn54
        wealth would have long belonged to the United States, Turkey, China

        They already belong to the countries you mentioned, except Turkey, oil and gas are the USA, the EU and China
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    5. +3
      12 July 2014 21: 53
      Now she and her friend Dzhokhar Dudaev in the land of eternal hunting.
  2. -1
    12 July 2014 18: 38
    http://mediametrics.ru/rating/ru/online.html?article=44548728
  3. +1
    12 July 2014 18: 50
    Oh dead or good, or nothing! You can not be like banderlog in Odessa
    1. +3
      12 July 2014 19: 45
      Well, we also call them banderlogs! She called them to Moscow. To dance on our bones. Did you already have a frying pan warm up for the traitor of the Motherland?
  4. +2
    12 July 2014 18: 52
    I don’t say anything, but there are some coincidences.

    1. 0
      12 July 2014 19: 06
      Since in this film, which I saw a long time ago, you can prove anything, although taking a note will not hurt.
      If you look for a jamb where it is not, then please.
      Panfilov Park, view from above. Bishkek
      1. +3
        12 July 2014 19: 52
        Fake. And rude.
        1. 0
          12 July 2014 21: 12
          Quote: KAMLS
          Fake. And rude.


          Ask Lenka "Kalatushka" if you are from Omsk, or Yura Kudashkin. Well, or Kuzik.

          Fake? You need to trust more people.
          1. +2
            12 July 2014 21: 46
            So it looks without photoshop
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              12 July 2014 22: 03
              From the center of Moscow, you can also find Masonic symbols.
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              12 July 2014 22: 07
              Minesweeper. Location found correctly. But either the programs are different or their versions. But the fact is that in the park, the alleys are really star-shaped, not well oriented along the sides of the horizon. And there is no evil in it.
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              12 July 2014 22: 59
              Quote: Canep
              So it looks without photoshop


              I was digging a little in the details, dear Minesweeper, I am glad to congratulate you on the fact that not only mobile communication in your amazing country is unacceptable for those in the communication zone of neighbors, but even Google with a Kazakh bias. So, Karkara, where your green crocodiles prevent me from breathing freely, you just dream about.
      2. +2
        12 July 2014 20: 04
        Quote: Humpty
        Panfilov Park, view from above. Bishkek

        Are paths on top of trees?
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          12 July 2014 21: 04
          Quote: Canep
          Quote: Humpty
          Panfilov Park, view from above. Bishkek

          Are paths on top of trees?


          Come and see the sketch or the truth. The place is famous. There, my dad Messing played out.
          What the well-known Wolf politely asked, if you know what I'm doing, then understand, these are tricks, an idea for people.
          So lying is not profitable.
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          12 July 2014 22: 37
          Quote: Canep
          Quote: Humpty
          Panfilov Park, view from above. Bishkek

          Are paths on top of trees?


          What stupid, my dear? Did you trample these alleys (40 years), or did you only see them through the dullness of the screen?
      3. +4
        14 July 2014 09: 08
        Alexander, good afternoon, you are right, in the pursuit of the atrocities of the Masons, you can prove anything, even the desire of party Frunze architects to capture the era of communism for centuries! good
    2. +1
      12 July 2014 21: 29
      like another user constantly in the topics about the RK put this video? or the number of "exposers of Freemasonry" and all sorts of "wise men of Zion" is growing.
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    4. dilyanna
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      13 July 2014 02: 43
      something is far-fetched, but something looks sinister
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    12 July 2014 18: 58
    "After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union. For 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, and religion."

    Hypocrisy usual for the author of words. About the last Kazakh khan, if Kenesary was introduced, then it seems in 1847, and not 1861, they nailed. I got everyone. In fact, the same (Kyrgyz) to him and his friends otchikali head and that they themselves would not accidentally flew into the head. Then they sent as a gift to Omsk. Still sometimes asked to return it .To. Kenesary is not a good example to follow.
    1. +4
      12 July 2014 19: 44
      The addiction to multi-vector nature can lead to dizziness, from which it will be possible to lose everything, as happened with Yanukovych, but he was warned by smart people, but he did not believe.
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      12 July 2014 19: 49
      "After the last Kazakh khan was killed in 1861, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union

      We can also say in slavery, only this colony turned into a state with cities, factories, factories, etc.
      I would still say not a colony but a friendly state and fraternal people, which in turn helped us in the struggle for the survival of nations and did not leave history in the margins and did not allow someone to defeat us (well, something like this)
    4. Argyn
      +3
      12 July 2014 22: 42
      And you didn’t forget that they themselves shot their royal family like dogs of an un respectable Humpty Dumpling? They got everyone, made slaves from the Slavs, and a Jew, as it were, gave the Slavs freedom. Ai Ai Ai. And for the Kazakhs, the Kyrgyz are neither close nor distant, the Uzbeks will be closer to us than they are. The fact that Kenesary was killed by traitors is a fact. Do not respect us, why should we respect you? And Vanga asked me to return the remains of a person, there she prophesied something about it. The question is, why do you need a skull? Don’t let me bury you humanly?
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        12 July 2014 22: 56
        He is not Kyrgyz, most likely Russian. Kyrgyz and Kazakhs are neighbors and in any case, it is necessary to build good relations with all neighbors. Yesterday, in the news, I saw two schools for 1000 people opened in Bishkek and Osh built with the money of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
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          12 July 2014 23: 19
          Kazakhstan is an "immature ukraine" many talk about this, after the departure of Nazarbayev, Russia will have another difficult political task ...
          1. Argyn
            +8
            12 July 2014 23: 31
            Quote: assam4
            Kazakhstan is an "immature ukraine" many talk about this, after the departure of Nazarbayev, Russia will have another difficult political task ...

            I hear a jingle, but it turns out to be a dumbbell. What facts and evidence are there once you state this? Well, after Putin’s departure, a new Chechnya will begin, young people don’t give a damn about everything except their clubs and iPhones, Russia will fall apart, sadness, longing, this is how I composed a fairy tale. Like?
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              13 July 2014 14: 50
              I do not like it, but it will be so. Since Kazakhstan, unlike Russia, is an artificial political formation like ukrAina. How much can you talk about this ?! The multi-vector approach will end in the Maidan and the arrival of savages from Afghanistan. And then wake up to ride under the slogans "God is Great!" in great Arabic wassat
              1. +3
                13 July 2014 15: 50
                Learn the materiel! The Kazakh Khanate was founded in the 15th century! And when is Russia? In the 15th century, it was a simple Moscow principality, paying tribute to the Crimea! So do not repeat chauvinistic tales designed for stupid would be ... well .... hi
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                  14 July 2014 01: 46
                  You dare to put Great Russia on the same level and so-called. the newly formed state "Kazakhstan?" Rude ...
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                    14 July 2014 06: 40
                    Russia became great in the 18th century, i.e. recently. Or do you have a "thousand-year-old great Kremlin"?
              2. Argyn
                -2
                15 July 2014 09: 17
                Arabic was in Kazakhstan long before the Russian language and was the language for trade. And savages from Afghanistan beat the USSR and NATO. Good luck in licking pictures of people instead of praying to God.
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          3. +4
            12 July 2014 23: 33
            oh. well, how do some people want something in the Republic of Kazakhstan to blow something. two republics besides the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan in which there is growth and positive, and both of these republics are predicting cataclysms of the media of the Russian Federation and experts for whatever it is.
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              13 July 2014 06: 07
              Quote: Semurg
              oh. well, how do some people want something in the RK

              If you engage in self-deception and indulge yourself with the thought that nothing can "bang", then "bang" is a must. Problems should be looked at with "eyes wide open", only then can you see it and take action in time.
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            13 July 2014 00: 15
            Quote: assam4
            Kazakhstan is an "immature ukraine" many people talk about this, after Nazarbayev's departure, Russia will have another difficult political task ..
            - Yesterday I saw the TV live in the garbage. True, not the last, LCD, not flat, but already with a flat screen. A little wild, even out of habit, I thought - throw in a wheelbarrow, or what? Then he thought - well, where is it? There are telly at home ... Why am I? Listen, what are you to us, forgive me generously, well, very sorry, are you comparing this poor Ukraine? It’s ridiculous, Ukrainians come, there one western pharmaceutical factory decided to set up a head office throughout the CIS in Ukraine, and accordingly, Ukrainians left for all CIS countries to create branches in the CIS. And they couldn’t recruit employees for half a year. (And specialists for the drug trade are expensive, pharmacists are called, if I’m not mistaken).laughing Because for six months they could not believe that salaries in Kazakhstan are twice as high as in Ukraine. No matter what facts we poked into their eyes, they couldn’t fit into their heads - well, this cannot be, and that’s all! How so? Do they live better in Kazakhstan than in Ukraine? Here is 500 dollars a month, this is in our Ukraine, not in your country, but in our UKRAINE !, compare! we have a crazy salary, and here you are receiving such a salary - generally a millionaire! laughing laughing In short, until they sent from Moscow which are more adequate, those ukrov did not succeed with a set of specialists
            1. +4
              13 July 2014 00: 17
              Continuation. And here again I come across - since it happened in Ukraine, in Kazakhstan this will happen all the more! Yes, even with the death of our President (pah-pah-pah! But he is not young) the maximum that will be - a local showdown in Astana, similar to a showdown in Moscow in the 90s between the Duma Khasbulatov and the executive branch of a drunkard. And it will not outgrow in civilian life. Because we have something to lose! We live well, why should we exchange this for a humanitarian catastrophe, which we see now in the South-East of Ukraine? Do we look like any thread morons? People go to the square and sweep away power from hopeless poverty, when there is no longer any hope that the current government will improve the situation.
              In our country, on the contrary, in spite of the impending tax hike in Russia, Nazarbayev is going to cut taxes unprecedentedly, especially for those who will work in the processing industry. Think about where the Russian converters will end up after they raise taxes in Russia and, on the contrary, reduce taxes in Kazakhstan? And there are no borders ... There are a lot of competitions for innovations in the internet - organizers like the Damu fund post, like, we used to invite established companies to competitions for financing innovative developments, and now even if you are just an initiative person, come, A specialist will listen to you, they will help you if the idea is worth it! The one-window support center for entrepreneurs has opened - loans can be obtained at 6% per annum ... I haven’t applied yet, I planned it next week, I’ll go and tell you. In short, it seems that they have taken it seriously, and somehow I doubt that we will exchange it all for a fratricidal war. What for? Naturally, there are faults and cracks in any society, the situation can be rocked and heated in any state, but if the elite is not treacherous and the intelligence services are adequate, then all this will quickly stall ... And again, Russia is interested in a strong stable neighbor, China - the same ... And if the States stir up something, they have no chance. They have already tried to democratize - they realized that they can completely lose all influence here, and it is better to keep what they have, and they already have a lot - both influence and assets ...
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        13 July 2014 06: 45
        Quote: Argyn
        And you didn’t forget that they themselves shot their royal family like dogs of an un respectable Humpty Dumpling? They got everyone, made slaves from the Slavs, and a Jew, as it were, gave the Slavs freedom. Ai Ai Ai. And for the Kazakhs, the Kyrgyz are neither close nor distant, the Uzbeks will be closer to us than they are. The fact that Kenesary was killed by traitors is a fact. Do not respect us, why should we respect you? And Vanga asked me to return the remains of a person, there she prophesied something about it. The question is, why do you need a skull? Don’t let me bury you humanly?


        The fact that the Kenesary climbed the water in Issyk-Kul to muddy among the "Olen" tribe, which was striving to go under Russia without any coercion, directly indicates that he considered the Kalmyk-Kyrgyz as his own. He also contrived to become an enemy for the Kokand people. He made some trouble for himself, was caught by the Issyk-Kul Kalmyk-Kyrgyz and brought to Tokmak, to the Kokand people.
        Personally, I don’t need skulls at all, why they don’t give it away, I don’t understand.
        Kyrgyz and Kazakhs are the closest relatives, for example, the Black Chinese (Karakitai) are both Kyrgyz and Kazakhs. And how can we distinguish Talas Kyrgyz from, say, Shymkent Kazakhs? Nationality often depends on the country of residence.
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          13 July 2014 15: 52
          The Kyrgyz are brothers to us, but only for the few genera that they have. And so it was different tribes in antiquity. The closest of the peoples to the Kazakhs are Nogais.
        2. Argyn
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          15 July 2014 09: 20
          Quote: Humpty
          I made some trouble, was caught by the Issyk-Kul Kalmyk-Kyrgyz and brought to Tokmok, to the Kokandans.

          They invited him to discuss joint actions, and then betrayed.
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        13 July 2014 12: 33
        Respected. The revolution in Russia is arranged by the Jews. As now in Ukraine.
        And do not you have a long list of dead Kazakhs by the Kazakhs themselves?
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          13 July 2014 14: 01
          Quote: Cossack Ermak
          Respected. The revolution in Russia is arranged by the Jews.
          Yeah, but for some reason they forget that before that there were Jewish pogroms, to which checkers and Cossacks were attached. And naturally, we received a reply from the "God's chosen". am
          By the way, survived the Cossack pogrom and little Leybushka Bronstein. And remember well ..
          I advise you to watch the beginning of the cartoon "American History" (1986). The cartoon is based on the biography of the American composer Irving Berlin. It begins with the celebration of Hanukkah in 1885 in the town of Shostka, Glukhovsky district, Chernigov province. Cossack cats carrying out an anti-Semitic pogrom are colorfully shown ..
          You can watch from 5 minutes.
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            13 July 2014 14: 36
            Oh well. So you justify the 20 million dead in revenge for a couple of thousand looted? And propaganda by Jewish American Hollywood does not concern me. Almost all studios in Hollywood are owned by Jews, so this does not channel for objectivity.
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              13 July 2014 20: 33
              Quote: Cossack Ermak
              Oh well. So you are justifying 20 for the millions who died in retaliation for a couple of thousand developed?
              No need to juggle.
              The Jews were put in a situation where they were forced to kick back. The Jews destroyed 20 million ?!
              Quote: Cossack Ermak
              And Jewish American Hollywood propaganda doesn't concern me.
              OK. You will have an example from the product "Rosagitpromma". The film "State Councilor" of the TriTe studio, directed by Philip Yankovsky, produced by Nikita Mikhalkov. In it, the hero of Konstantin Khabensky, the Jew Green, becomes a member of a terrorist group as a result of an "anti-Semitic pogrom." There are shots in the film where he remembers himself as a boy / youth running away from Russian men with a pitchfork. In the end, for this hunted guy, he comes to the conclusion that terror is the only possible language of conversation with the persecutors. Evil breeds evil ..
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                14 July 2014 01: 51
                Excuse me, gentlemen from the forum and the site administration ... and VO - actually, the site is leprosy or is it still Russian?
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                14 July 2014 09: 28
                Quote: Alibekulu
                In the end, for this driven guy comes to the conclusion that terror is the only possible language of conversation with the persecutors. Evil begets evil ..

                Alibek, it’s strange that you somehow instill a story, in your 1916 year, a Russian guy, after his mother’s stomach was torn up, and his sister was raped and taken away where she died, was to become a terrorist? Strange, but for some reason this did not happen! Well, as for the 20 of millions of destroyed, I agree with you, this nonsense is the figment of the fantasies of those who, in an attempt to find the guilty, are not looking for them and blame anyone but not themselves.
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                  14 July 2014 12: 30
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Alibek, it’s strange that you are introducing history like that, do you think a Russian guy in 1916, after his mother’s stomach was ripped open, his sister was raped and taken into captivity, where she disappeared,
                  I repeat: evil begets evil. Hate harbors hatred. Zymran below gave examples of how the Cossacks acted Kazakhs.
                  You do not see your. Ask yourself a simple question, to which it was necessary to bring the Kazakhs / Kyrgyz, about whom the same L.N. Gumilev attributed, as the most complimentary to the Russian peoples, that they massacred ?!
                  In the events of 1916, local Kazakhs and Kyrgyz arranged Kondopoga for those who had come in large numbers.
                  By the way, when I hear suggestions from both ours and Russian idiots to turn the "Crimean scenario" in the Republic of Kazakhstan, I want to ask them a question. Are you sure it will not follow the 1916 scenario? Or similar to the events in Osh in 2010?
                  I do not condone any violence, but as for the 1916 events of the year, I understand the root causes that led to the facts that you cited.
                  Quote: Serg65
                  We are already studying the history of Hollywood cartoons, bravo !!!
                  Rakhmet, agay hi
                  From the "wise man, enough simplicity." Everything from teaching practice. Again, one has to describe sensitive topics, such as colonization-development of Kazakhstan and, as a rule, to Russian students. And, naturally, they do not perceive both factual and statistical materials, which are presented by Kazakhstani historiography, extremely skeptically. And such examples - "on the fingers", are the most effective and efficient.
                  And he noticed that many thinking Russian students and students are beginning to understand the Kazakh point of view ..
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                    14 July 2014 13: 25
                    Quote: Alibekulu
                    You do not see your. Ask yourself a simple question, to which it was necessary to bring the Kazakhs / Kyrgyz, about whom the same L.N. Gumilev attributed, as the most complimentary to the Russian peoples, that they massacred ?!
                    In the events of 1916, local Kazakhs and Kyrgyz arranged Kondopoga for those who had come in large numbers.


                    The question is very true, and the situation was like this:

                    Russian peasants are significantly superior to the Kyrgyz in culture and often treat the latter with contempt. This contempt sometimes comes to a complete denial of the human personality in the Kyrgyz people. There are cases of inhuman and senseless cruelty on this basis: peasants ruthlessly kill the Kirghiz and do not feel remorse. Most often, this happens. Russian peasants will lease Kyrgyz lands, build houses and refuse to leave at the end of the lease term. Kyrgyz come. The landfill begins, and the case ends in bloodshed, and either without guns at all, or the Kirghiz armed with ancient samopalans are in such cases a weaker side.

                    It could be worse. Is the man working? in the garden, he sees that through the fence the Kyrgyz reaches for the apple tree, takes a gun and kills the Kyrgyz on the spot. The neighbors come running. - to What is it? ”-“ But, he killed the dog! ”- and he won’t even budge to pick up the killed one.

                    With such a killer I had to meet one day. I stopped for the night in the village of Golovachevka (Aulieatinsky district of the Syr-Darya region). There was a representative man in the hut. He interestingly talked about his classes, about how difficult it was for him to sell carts and get everything he needed, in the absence of a railway. He spoke, and suddenly said: “Now everything has changed.” [332]

                    - Почему?

                    - Yes, I'm a killer ... I killed the Kyrgyz.

                    Russian men, being infected by the spirit of the conquerors, often lose their original good nature here, and with it that simple-minded childish smile that L. N. Tolstoy so loved in them, who did not find this smile among the urban proletariat. They become infected with a thirst for profit, so widespread on the outskirts with a semi-wild population, get used to exploitation, and wean from hospitality - they are often made unrecognizable. But on the other hand, consciousness, meaningfulness, understanding of one’s rights, literacy, all this develops no less quickly. Relocation to new lands shakes and turns their entire being.
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                    14 July 2014 15: 01
                    Alibek, but about the fact that the Russians brought the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz to the uprising, in which film or cartoon can you see? For God's sake, do not be offended, but to refer to cinematography in such a delicate topic, especially American, will agree as it is not correct. Zymran, is he a historian? Does he have irrefutable evidence of what he wrote? "A man is working? In the garden, he sees that the Kirghiz is reaching through the fence to the apple tree ..." I apologize, where did the fence come from ??? Until the 30s, there were no fences in the city of Frunze, in extreme cases, an adobe duval, I'm not talking about the countryside, where the boundary division of land plots has survived in some places to this day. Regarding the lease, this is generally a grandmother from the market whispered! I do not deny that the Russian administration on the ground sometimes went too far. In the policy of resettlement to Turkestan, the local (governor-general and regional governors) and central authorities often had diverging views. In a memorandum of the General Staff of January 31, 1908, it was said that the main contradiction in the resettlement policy in Turkestan between the Main Directorate of Land Management and Agriculture and the Turkestan Governor-General was that the Directorate, in contrast to the regional authorities, considered an intensive resettlement to Turkestan possible. ... Chernyaev, a supporter of the urban colonization of the region, wrote back in 1864 to the Governor-General of Western Siberia: “There are no convenient places for the establishment of Russian settlements in the Zachuisky Territory. All places convenient for settling and farming are already occupied and processed by local residents, ... and their lands, for the establishment of Russian settlements, can only produce a general displeasure of the population. "This is the main, well-known and many times said reason for dissatisfaction with the accession to Russia and displeasure with the Russians - land and economic. But there were other reasons. The second of them is the difference The ties of two cultures, Central Asian and Russian (Muslim and Christian), emerged even before the annexation of the region to Russia. The annexation of Central Asia to Russia brought these cultures face to face. The arrival (military units) and resettlement (Cossacks and peasants) had an impact on cultural and linguistic situation in the region.In Turkestan and before the arrival of the Russians there were ethnocultural (nomads and saddle population) and linguistic (Turks and Tajiks) contradictions. But they arose within the framework of one Islamic civilization, therefore, they did not have deep roots. These are some reasons, but there was another reason, maybe one of the main ones. Alibek, if you are interested, tomorrow I can continue my opuses, at the moment there is a sorely lack of time for discussion.
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                      14 July 2014 15: 13
                      I didn’t write it, here is the link http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/M.Asien/XX/1900-1920/Gins/text2.htm

                      I see no reason for the author to lie.

                      I also advise you to read MATERIALS TO THE HISTORY OF THE KYRGYZ RISE IN THE 1916 YEAR
                      (Testimony given by XI NUMX of September 3 of Comrade G.I. Broydo to the prosecutor
                      Tashkent Trial Chamber on Kyrgyz Uprising
                      1916)



                      http://elbilge.ucoz.ru/p/1916Broido.pdf
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                        14 July 2014 15: 14
                        http://rus-turk.livejournal.com/103726.html
                        In the foothills of the Trans-Ili Alatau. A. Severtsov

                        This is a Cossack life and character in peacetime; I saw them in the war, during the campaign of General Chernyaev in 1864. In the war they are a daring people ... to plunder defenseless villages, if the Kyrgyz flee; but if there is at least some reason to expect resistance, then the Semirechye gavrilichi, as well as the Siberian ones, very protect life from danger. For example, in 1864, I saw how the three farthest from a half-hundred detachment, with fittings, were afraid of one Kirghiz with a rifle, on a lame horse: what amused the former soldier, a window shooter.

                        (Further) It is unnecessary to say that between the Semirechye Cossacks there are courageous and honest, even sober - sometimes even hardworking, but the general character is unenviable. Only relative tidiness is good: the poorest and most drunk Cossack lives better than a wealthy Voronezh man who digs money in pods or feeds dozens of his bread cherries to mice.

                        This is the most inadequate sketch of the life and customs of the Semirechye Cossacks, which I am well aware of from the 4-year-old treatment of them, and their own, numerous and detailed stories about their life. But, I blame myself, I am not a master of ethnographic essays - and not a hunter; in Central Asia, the nature of the region interested me more than the population of both Russian and foreign. And the Semirechye Cossacks are not as thin as they can be concluded from the very valid shortcomings just outlined: I draw attention to the fact that I learned these shortcomings most of all from their frank and simple-minded stories, which shows not corruption, but moral dullness; with good conscience they rob, for example, the Kyrgyz, at every opportunity, and do not hide it (when it is safe to admit), because they do not consider it a sin [I heard that it’s not a sin to kill the Kyrgyz for living with him; since Basurman has not a soul, but steam - like a cattle; and throughout the steppe outskirts, from Guryev to Verny, I also heard that unchrist and the dog are all one]. So drunkenness, and easy behavior of women, all this in the Faithful is not a sin, but a funny thing. Mentally, they are better than all Cossacks. The people are agile and quick-witted.
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                        15 July 2014 09: 19
                        Zymran Hello, dear. For some reason, I did not find these statements of N.A. Severtsev, except on the website Russian Turkestan, although there is indirect confirmation of the life of the Semirechye Cossacks from Colonel Tsimerman and General Kolpakovsky, The population of the young army, according to the report, " formed from the Siberian Cossacks, accustomed to constant service, accustomed to living off the treasury, poorly prepared for rural work, and from the villagers completely unfamiliar with the service ... The Cossacks of the Semirechensk army, according to their moral qualities, are divided into two groups, which have their own advantages and disadvantages. The first and largest group is occupied by the indigenous Cossacks of the Siberian army, a smart and intelligent people; their main bad qualities: debauchery, drunkenness, rudeness, laziness, and as a result - neglect of the economy and, finally, a wrong view of someone else's property, probably acquired from The second, smaller, group is made up of peasants enrolled in the Cossack estate; they, not having the prowess that must be in Cossack, do not have the disadvantages of the first group. One of the main shortcomings of the peasants is superstition and prejudice, sometimes expressed in the most hideous forms. "
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                        15 July 2014 10: 41
                        Greetings Sergey!

                        In fact, according to the reports of the officers, the same Kolpakovsky, they had only a little more trust in the Cossacks than in the nomads, they were only sure that they would not be stabbed in the back. The officers did not trust them. And during military campaigns, they watched that the Cossacks would not engage in robbery. This was followed very strictly
                        There were different conditions for the Kazakhs on campaigns, if they were paid for work, then it was forbidden to rob. If there was nothing to pay the noble Kazakhs, then they were allowed to rob Sarts.
                      4. +3
                        15 July 2014 11: 57
                        And hello to you, Alexander! The life and behavior of the Semerechinsk Cossacks for the "native Russian" officers, soldiers and Don Cossacks were indeed unusual and often condemned. But again, how to judge people without knowing the factors that influenced their character? The Semirechenskys left the Siberian army, and the Siberian Cossacks from the time of Yermak opposed the nomads. 200 years of neighborly, but not at all friendly, living amicably affected the way of life. Just as the Terek Cossacks borrowed from the Caucasian highlanders not only some customs and style of dress, but also the mountain war rules, the Amanat system and some elements of blood feud. The Semirechye Cossacks were a line army and from the age of 19 they became combatants, so there was little free time to manage their economy, in modern terms, "but you want to live!", So they adopted the robbery and theft of cattle "baranta" from the nomads.
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                        15 July 2014 13: 10
                        Quote: Humpty
                        In fact, according to the reports of the officers, the same Kolpakovsky, they had only a little more trust in the Cossacks than in the nomads, they were only sure that they would not be stabbed in the back. The officers did not trust them. And during military campaigns, they watched that the Cossacks would not engage in robbery. This was followed very strictly
                        There were different conditions for the Kazakhs on campaigns, if they were paid for work, then it was forbidden to rob. If there was nothing to pay the noble Kazakhs, then they were allowed to rob Sarts.


                        Yes, that happened too. For example, the looting of Sairam by the friendly actions of the Cossacks and Kazakhs.
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                        15 July 2014 09: 20
                        But again, the reason for hostile relations is important, source sites.google.com/site/semirechje/home...." In the Trans-Ili region, the richest and most densely populated, which was already, to a certain extent, depending on the Kokand people, the Russians were for the entire mass of the Kyrgyz, without exception, only conquerors. From this it naturally follows that the relations of the natives to the Russians should have been, and indeed were, far from the same throughout the country. If these relations cannot be called completely peaceful even in the Ayaguz district and Semirechye, where they proceeded without sharply manifested outbreaks and only, to some extent, hampered the peaceful development of the colonies, then the same cannot be said about the Trans-Ili region, where the nomadic population, excited by the Kokand people, who cherished in it hope to throw off the hated yoke with their help, showed particular hostility to the conquerors The Kyrgyz suddenly attacked the Cossacks working in the fields or mountains, killed them, and if the opportunity presented itself, they were taken prisoner.
                        As far back as 1855, the commander of a separate Siberian corps especially warned the bailiff Peremyshlsky: “so that people sent out of Verny’s fortification to transport building materials to him, as well as for hay, firewood or for other household needs, would be well armed by themselves, would have I’m carrying a reliable convoy, fully armed with serviceable weapons, with rifles and pistols loaded and enough ammunition. ”
                        But, despite all these precautions and all measures to pacify the Zailiysky Territory, the hostile attitude of the native population, intensely excited by the Kokandans against the Russians, reached such a strain in the 1860 that the Cossacks could work in the field only with armed parties and not with families or, moreover, alone, and then also to protect their crops from warring nomads.
                        Such circumstances, of course, greatly constrained the Cossacks, took a lot of time and deprived those results of labor that would be possible under a different state of affairs.
                        In the same year, under the influence of the Kokand people and with the help of foreign Kyrgyz, in the areas of the Kaskelen and Almaty villages, the natives simultaneously attacked the Cossacks who worked in the field, took them by surprise in places, took many prisoners and killed many, and the state farm on the river. Or - burned.
                        This last incident finally forced a change of tactics in relation to the Kyrgyz. Martial law was introduced in the region, the commander of a separate Siberian corps ordered the head of the Alatav district to order to expel not only from the detachments, but from all the villages, Cossack patrols, which would oblige to exterminate all the Kirghiz armed parties that meet, ambush them, pursue them to the border, and from here threaten a surprise attack on the Kirghiz and Kokand people of Zachuy. "
                        Where is she really? Perhaps somewhere in the middle. hi
                      7. 0
                        15 July 2014 13: 15
                        Sergey, thanks for the data. In any case, what happened was a thing of the past, I just wanted to show that you should not paint the old days with one color and show the Kazakhs and Kirghiz the fierce killers of Russian settlers, or vice versa Russian ruthless colonialists and invaders.

                        I have a question for you. Do you have serious data on the Siberian Cossacks and their ethnic composition. I came across a curious document in English, but from a Russian author. The data seems dubious to me.
                      8. +3
                        15 July 2014 14: 04
                        [quote = Zymran] Sergey, thanks for the data. In any case, what happened was a thing of the past, I just wanted to show that you should not paint the old days with one color and show the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz fierce killers of Russian settlers or vice versa Russian ruthless colonialists and invaders [quote] [/ quote]
                        Zumran, I also hold the same views, it was bad, but it was good. And modern attempts to quarrel our peoples are generally unacceptable to me! I have no serious data on the Siberian Cossacks, I draw from neta and analyze. http://belovodskoe-muh.ucoz.ru/ read at your leisure, author B. F. Mukhlynin. Yes, by the way, the village of Belovodskoye, the birthplace of Vitali Klitschko smile .
          2. +4
            14 July 2014 09: 13
            Alibekulu In how science has progressed! We are already studying the history of Hollywood cartoons, bravo !!!
            1. 0
              14 July 2014 13: 04
              Serg65: We are already studying the history of Hollywood cartoons, bravo !!!

              I’ll supplement, regarding your sarcasm, I repeat that the cartoon is based on a biography American composer Irving Berlin. who was born 11 on May 1888 in Tyumen.
              American composer Jerome Kern:
              "It is impossible to talk about Irving Berlin's place in the history of American music, because he himself is this story!"
              The most famous work of Berlin is the anthem “God Bless America” (God Bless America, 1918), considered to be the unofficial anthem of the USA. She entered the patriotic musical "This is the army." After seeing the musical in February 1944, General Eisenhower insisted that the performance be shown on all fronts. In the end, over the course of a year and a half, the musical saw 2,5 million viewers throughout the American theater of operations. The rights to the song and all revenues (it earned six million dollars) were presented to the scout organization New York City Scouts Youth Organization with the words: "You can not earn on patriotism."
              George Bush Sr. at his funeral, called I. Berlin "a legendary person, whose words and music will help understanding the history of our people." By the way, to the birth of his first child, he dedicated “Russian Lullaby” (Russian Lullaby), which was recognized as the best song of 1927 of the year.
              In 1970, he was introduced to the national Composers Hall of Fame. From wiki.
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  6. 0
    12 July 2014 19: 03
    This is how Kuchma played backwards with a multi-vector approach. Where is Ukraine now ?! I wish the Kazakhs wisdom and prosperity, but I would advise Nazarbayev not to wag, somehow not like a man ...
  7. +23
    12 July 2014 19: 15
    I bet almost all the points with the author.
    1. Where does the RK bulge Russia? Oh, to whom to whom, and to the Russian Federation, the NAS is almost completely loyal. For example, I do not remember more than one case when we blocked transit to Central Asia (from there to there). On the contrary, who normally treats us in Central Asia (Kyrgyzstan), we give our own domestic prices for transit.
    2. By investment. Listen, author, did the Russian Federation have money? Because of the accumulated credits and "aid" from the West, they generally received a default. And this is all over the territory of the USSR, everyone took Western "help".
    3. Pan-Turkism. Türks, almost all lived in the USSR. Except the Turks. What is wrong, that part of the USSR (the Turkic world) will be restored at least economically. For me personally, the USSR is the Union of Slavs and Türks (if we talk about the national composition, and please, I do not want to belittle the role of other ethnic groups of the USSR, simply numerically). And such a Union could not be broken by military means until traitors appeared. And if we can also bring Turks into the Union, then ... look at the map. And again it will unite, albeit under other conditions, well, who dares to challenge us !? The Chinese always looked anxiously into our steppes when the steppes wanted to unite. They did everything so that we did not become one people. And with the Union and even more so this alarm of the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan and Central Asia will be forgotten.
    4. Oligarchs in the RK are all tame. I think NAS is wise enough not to put one of them in place of itself. "I know where the capital from each of you came from. Etc." As I understand it, the state (NAS) has its own black folder for each. How he acted with Ablyazov and his son-in-law and it is not necessary to say. After his son-in-law (Rakhat Aliyev), he will not wish anyone. But he must and squeeze out, like Ablyazov. And I don't think that the National Academy of Sciences and the EAEU were playing populism. The EAEU is SECURITY (i.e., peaceful existence) and a BIG MARKET (the possibility of economic growth and the well-being of the people). And we need to develop CONSISTENTLY (EAEU), and not jump like in Ukraine. Why little is written about such facts:
    1. AGREED TO CREATE A GENERAL AIR WING, SWAT, and air defense. Does this not mean a military-political rapprochement. Yes, time is needed, but agreements and signatures are
    2. Kelimbetov said (head of the National Bank of the Republic of Kazakhstan). The common currency is a political issue and it was not even considered, since even within those frameworks of the EAEU, a bunch of documents still need to be coordinated. One text of the EAEU treaty takes 1000 pages. Imagine the scale of bureaucratic work. We only agreed that Alma-Ata will become Fin. the center (regulator) of the EAEU. And we can resolve the issue of a common currency with the Russian Federation very, very quickly. Here is my question: "Why agree on a single center if there is no single currency?" Yes, it's read between the lines.
    These are my "conclusions". hi
    1. 0
      12 July 2014 19: 47
      Quote: Kasym
      I bet almost all the points with the author.

      Quote: Kasym
      from such my "conclusions"

      yes have a conscience! we have mourning lerka hoarded up fellow (mother-in-law was buried, two accordions were torn), and you and Astana ... impolite, in the end, then ...
      1. +8
        12 July 2014 20: 53
        yes go in the ass with your lerkoy. read the topic proposed for discussion and respect the author, or celebrate your dubious holidays in the brewery.
        1. +3
          12 July 2014 21: 17
          Quote: popandopulo
          yes go in the ass with your lerka

          well, not polite wink
        2. +3
          14 July 2014 09: 35
          popandopulo And why should I respect the author? For the fact that he writes a custom article? I understand that you are from the Square and you, oh, how would you like that would be blazing not only with you? The article is aimed at immature children's minds in the style of "take your toys and don’t pee in my potty." You can't wait for respect. negative
    2. +17
      12 July 2014 20: 11
      And at the expense of multi-vector policy. I don't see anything wrong with prioritizing relations with neighbors. Take Ukraine. Only the vector to the West was unambiguously accepted. By pushing the East away, she deprived herself of sovereignty, unity and independence. After a while, they will go around the world to ask for "help."
      Small countries cannot afford to speak the language of "demands" and "categorical". We are forced to seek compromises. But when they are necessary they should know the line beyond which to cross. Well, NATO demanded a base in Kazakhstan for operations in Afghanistan. The Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Tajiks immediately gave the go-ahead. And ours were coordinated with the Russian Federation and the PRC. As a result: Military bases of third countries without the consent of the CSTO (SCO) is impossible. "Let's goodbye". They demanded democratic reforms and loyalty to the opposition. "Sorry, but with our pants up, we are not going to run to build democracy ... First, the economy, then politics. First, a well-fed, prosperous people, and then democracy, etc."
      Everyone wants to have normal relations with other countries. So a multi-vector policy is what all normal, small countries will use. On the other hand, there are countries that have a common history of many centuries. And such countries have always built special relationships - allies. The rupture of such relations leads to what we see following the example of Ukraine. Therefore, one must "not lose the shore." hi
      1. 0
        12 July 2014 21: 15
        Quote: Kasym
        First, the economy, then politics.

        Well, how is it that the economy always depends on politics, whether the economy will be raw, or industrial, everything is set by politics, someone said politics is a concentrated economy
        Quote: Kasym
        And at the expense of multi-vector politics. I see nothing wrong

        and the fact is that at one fine moment one will have to make a choice in one direction or another, and then this whole built-up structure will go downhill with all the ensuing conclusions, take China, he smiles at everyone, admits foreign production to his territory, but does that that only benefits him, no multi-vector
        1. +4
          12 July 2014 21: 32
          Regarding the first part of your comment ... you wrote nonsense êàî.

          And to the account

          Quote: saag
          take China, he smiles at everyone, admits foreign production to his territory, but does what is only profitable for him, no multi-vector


          Well, so we smile at everyone and do what is beneficial to us. What is wrong?
          1. 0
            12 July 2014 21: 40
            Quote: VladKZ
            you wrote nonsense

            Reason, I can also say that you wrote nonsense
            1. +5
              12 July 2014 21: 50
              Well, you quoted - "Politics is a concentrated expression of economics," which means economics determines politics. However, you interpreted it back.

              Concerning multi-vectoring, please answer.
              Smiling China for everyone is "no multi-vector" and this is very good,
              and Kazakhstan smiling to everyone is multi-vector and is it very bad? how so
              1. -2
                12 July 2014 21: 53
                Quote: VladKZ
                how so

                It’s very simple, you can’t be equally good both the USA and the Russian Federation, which are now opposing the world stage, will have to make a choice in someone’s favor, and then you are no longer an ally and holding it will be dangerous
              2. -2
                12 July 2014 22: 00
                Quote: VladKZ
                Well, you quoted - "Politics is a concentrated expression of economics," which means economics determines politics. However, you interpreted it back.

                The intention of one country to build relations with another is permissible in the field of trade, and there is politics, the economy is already a refinement of relations - how to trade, under what conditions, etc.
                1. +5
                  12 July 2014 22: 22
                  Quote: saag
                  The intention of one country to build relations with another is permissible in the field of trade, and there is politics, the economy is already a refinement of relations - how to trade, under what conditions, etc.


                  Listen, you quoted a saying

                  Quote: saag
                  politics is a concentrated economy


                  However, they interpreted it differently.

                  Quote: saag
                  the economy is always dependent on politics


                  And I just pointed it out to you, but you either do not understand this statement, or you do not understand that you interpret it in a completely different way.
          2. -5
            12 July 2014 21: 44
            Quote: VladKZ
            Well, so we smile at everyone and do what is beneficial to us. What is wrong?

            Well, you tell me how profitable it is to sell your resources to foreigners, when they can be extracted and sold on their own and have much higher profits, that was how it was in the beginning of the 90s, then Kazakhstan still has a fifth, it’s not going anywhere
            1. +5
              12 July 2014 21: 58
              Don’t hesitate if there would be money and technologies themselves developed and mined, we have enough of the wise. Only after the collapse of the union there was no money in the treasury, and even then, in order to print our currency, I had to ask for money, sobsno many countries responded, for which I thank them.
            2. +9
              13 July 2014 00: 14
              saag, by resources, as an example. Karachaganak. The share of the Republic of Kazakhstan is 10%, due to imposed environmental fines, timing, etc. (ours will find for what). But from this year 80% of the profits will go to the treasury. Because the investors "paid off" their investments. 80% comes from all kinds of excise taxes, taxes, shares. What do you think, was it profitable for Kazakhstan to invite foreigners on such conditions without investing a dime? Further, a processing plant worth $ 2 billion was to be built for Karachaganak. But instead, we bought 50% of the shares of the Orenburg plant (it was specially built under the Soviet Union for Karachaganak, and Gazprom does not need this field for nothing). In this way, we began to influence the transportation of this gas (and this is almost complete control over the field). Thus, Kulibayev became a member of the directors of Gazprom. wassat . And this is only about Karachaganak. I can tell you something interesting about Tengiz. Anyway. hi
      2. -7
        12 July 2014 21: 16
        Quote: Kasym
        ... Therefore, you need to "not lose the shore."

        Yes you are right. but ... everyone who has received absolute power will strive to preserve it. any way. and even with a phantom menace begins to fuss. and the hustle and bustle. take a look around-west friendship and love yourself-through what place it comes out, I think everyone has already understood ... next. China, again, why do you need any of your manufacturers (even servicing wells (they have their own technologists and technologists in excess) for a hat. There remained a northern neighbor. What did he not give you? Technique? Specialists? Benefits? Yes, there is a confrontation over to the cosmodrome, but ... you were the first to descend to blackmail (moreover, petty, greedy), and I consider the decision to squeeze you precisely in Baikonur to be quite friendly hi
        1. +8
          13 July 2014 01: 18
          Andrey, on Baikonur. You can name at least one start-up failure because of Kazakhstan. He was, and will remain the busiest in the world. 13 launch sites for all types of launch vehicles. Kazakhstan recently in the person of the National Academy of Sciences of Azerbaijan declared that with all new agreements the parties are completely satisfied. Kazakhstan will now participate in the life of the cosmodrome - to invest in the infrastructure of the cosmodrome. And they wanted to reanimate Zenith together with Ukraine and Russia instead of the Angara (on which the Republic of Kazakhstan had infused over 200 million dollars). The Russian Federation will have the opportunity to invest more in Vostochny, so you saw something bad.
          Andrey, look at what is written above in my commentary - the Russian Federation had money, you closed the IMF debts in 2004 (RK in 1998) ?! According to the PRC. 4 pipelines have already been built in the PRC (one oil, another gas). It is profitable for you and us, why not trade !? The PRC, due to access to our subsoil (slightly less than 30% in oil, 30% in the Republic of Kazakhstan, the rest of our companies and foreign ones, including the Russian Federation), according to agreements last year, gives 20 billion investments in the processing industries - a new refinery, a new petrochemical plant (petrochemicals) , plants on the sun. batteries and wind turbines and something else. It is beneficial for us. From other countries that are working on our subsoil, they demand the same. "Invest and bring new technologies here." If you don’t know, Kazakhstan has a Council of Foreign Investors of Kazakhstan under the President. Once a year, all gene. dir. come to these meetings. At the last such, investors were given 10 years of tax evasion. Please invest - who's in the way !? I know the following in Russia. For the uranium of our gene. dir. KazAtomProm was planted to clear the way for the Russian Federation. Russians were also muddying about gold, mobile communications Bilain, metallurgy and energy, oil industry, joint pipelines, 70% of the capacity of our pipeline in China is loaded by ROSNEFT. So the connections are very extensive - coal, plans for thermal power plants and nuclear power plants, cars. hi
          And about the power. Yes, let him sit, well, we will change, as in Ukraine, and what. Each will bring "his own" household, while the affairs of the state. will be engaged and the term will end. They gave him the power for the most I can not, well, let him pull, and time will judge.
          1. 0
            13 July 2014 12: 47
            Kasym. With the cosmodrome in the far east of Russia, Baikanur will become the most unloaded in the world. If it doesn’t fall apart at all.
            1. +3
              13 July 2014 20: 17
              Ermak, good evening! I don’t think:
              1. There are only 2 launch sites, for the Angara and the Union.
              2. With only one start, there are problems with the zhel.dor..BAM is blocked, so the GDP gave the start to BAM-2.
              3. The Russian Federation needs to have several sites, and not one or two.
              4. I think that Baikonur will be for joint and international launches.
              The task of the Republic of Kazakhstan is to prevent Baikonur from becoming a "dead" city. Here I don't understand the Russian Federation. They are ready to cooperate with everyone, but for some reason when it comes to us ... silence. There are many examples.
    3. +5
      14 July 2014 09: 30
      Kasym These are the words of the wise Kazakh! A huge plus +!
  8. -5
    12 July 2014 19: 16
    The Kyrgyz steppe, boundless. It blooms so beautifully in spring and mushrooms can be stocked for a year for a day.
    Sung by Yesenin's verses -
    A harmonist treats syphilis with alcohol,
    that in the Kyrgyz steppes got

    "we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union"

    World remembers good.
  9. +5
    12 July 2014 19: 16
    Victory has many friends. The defeat has only creditors. A strong Russia draws allies, a weak Russia loses.
  10. -2
    12 July 2014 19: 33
    The notorious multi-vector approach, which turns into emasculating the idea of ​​post-Soviet integration in the direction that is beneficial for external players, is a dangerous virus, which Astana can easily infect other partners in the EAEU

    The notorious multi-vector is such a fetish for suckers !!! This is from the same opera as perestroika, communism and globalization — cover operations that cover up the real destructive policy of the West with regard to Russia and the former USSR !!! Now either concrete suckers or obvious enemies can believe in this !!! In the foreign economic policy of any two self-respecting neighboring states there should be two axioms - mutual benefit and pragmatism !!! Everything else is just a ride on the ears !!!
    By the way, Nazarbayev, with all due respect to the Kazakhs, the last 20 years looks somehow a little out of this world - Yanukovych’s syndrome - probably it’s contagious !!!
    1. +6
      12 July 2014 20: 10
      Quote: Selevc
      By the way, Nazarbayev, with all due respect to the Kazakhs, the last 20 years looks somehow a little out of this world - Yanukovych’s syndrome - probably it’s contagious !!!

      Over the past 20 years, Kazakhstan has greatly strengthened, and the people have become many times better off.
      1. +4
        12 July 2014 22: 22
        Quote: Canep
        Over the past 20 years, Kazakhstan has greatly strengthened, and the people have become many times better off.

        So in any of the most backward countries, there are categories of the population that live very well — or rather they don’t live and parasitize those around me ... I just watched a photo of Astana ... A beautiful new city - ultra-modern buildings amid shacks and poverty ... If this happens in what is the capital then in the province? Prosperous countries are those in which the vast majority of the population lives well and not the elect !!!
      2. dilyanna
        0
        13 July 2014 02: 59
        perhaps with your sn you can afford potatoes, milk, eggs for 1 euro, cottage cheese 1,5-2 euros ... Put a seal for 20 euros, pay comm bills, buy clothes in stores, let the house make repairs .. .
        we already, and many of our acquaintances even forgot about buying an update for the new year ... Everything for children ...
        And this year there’s nothing to talk about ...
        And it’s not necessary to prove with foam at the mouth that who doesn’t work doesn’t eat, or we don’t know how to work ...
        1. 0
          13 July 2014 03: 53
          to buy myself an update for the new year ... Everything for children ...

          Unfortunately, such people are not few in Kazakhstan
      3. +3
        13 July 2014 07: 08
        Quote: Canep

        Over the past 20 years, Kazakhstan has greatly strengthened, and the people have become many times better off.

        In Russia, too, life has become better, but all this is due to rising hydrocarbon prices in 2000's. Unfortunately, we flood markets with oil, not cars, electronics, and airplanes. How much we trumpeted the most educated, reading and easy to conquer markets, but this is our market was conquered, and production destroyed.
  11. +1
    12 July 2014 19: 34
    As for the video above. If I look at the bottom of the glass in the mixer (grinder), then you can find the same signs.
  12. +8
    12 July 2014 19: 49
    Another author who wants to quarrel Kazakhstan and Russia ....
    1. +6
      12 July 2014 20: 32
      And don't say there is a lot of "dirt". Sometimes you think that all this is someone's order. There are enough rich people who fled to the West in Kazakhstan. Starting from ex-prime minister Kazhegeldin (whom the National Academy of Sciences publicly called home without "sanctions", and he was all there) to Rakhat Aliyev's son-in-law (who is now sitting in an Austrian prison awaiting trial). And there, the banker and ex-minister of economy Ablyazov, ex-mayor of Alma-Ata Khrapunov, who also inherited in the Russian Federation and Ukraine. And a bunch of "smaller" fish.
      The same NAS was furious when he learned from Ablyazov that one Very oppositional newspaper was his son-in-law R. Aliyev.
      And the analysis and conclusions of the author lead to the idea that this is an order. hi
      1. +2
        12 July 2014 23: 03
        Quote: Kasym
        And the analysis and conclusions of the author lead to the idea that this is an order.

        Well, it’s not fair to blame everything on Russia ... I’m living next to you, so what? I don’t expect any muck. where did the Kremlin enslave?
        1. +5
          12 July 2014 23: 17
          by analogy with Ukraine, suddenly decide to defend the "Russian world" here too. About 10-12 years ago, the Cossacks in Kokchetav wanted to create a republic, they took them by the gills and planted them, so Rogozin was very much harnessed to the defendants in that case, and now he is like a deputy prime minister and in charge of the defense industry, plus a whole host of politicians, political scientists (like Zhirik, Zatulina, Kurtov, etc.), who directly speaks of injustice and revision of borders, etc.
          1. 0
            12 July 2014 23: 36
            Quote: Semurg
            by analogy with Ukraine

            hello birds hi this is in the first lines. in the second lines, WHY?
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  13. -3
    12 July 2014 19: 54
    It is high time to stop all these "Eurasian" integrations and deal with Russia.
  14. pinecone
    +3
    12 July 2014 20: 12
    We were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union "

    Golden words, a balm for the soul for the Turkish leadership, which erected a monument to him in his lifetime in the very center of Ankara. The ideology of Pan-Turkism in action, or "his brother-in-law sees from afar."
    1. 0
      16 July 2014 08: 25
      Alexei, I dare to remind you that according to the results of the First World War, the Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian and German empires ceased to exist. The Russian Empire escaped this fate thanks to Lenin - he saved the state from complete destruction and created a completely new USSR state on the wreckage of the Republic of Ingushetia, solving many accumulated problems. The USSR was one of two superpowers of the 20 century.
  15. +2
    12 July 2014 20: 16
    You will not be forcibly sweet. Such is the popular wisdom.
    Russia needs not to force itself into friends, but to engage in its own country, to become strong and rich. Then there will be no end to friends.
  16. 0
    12 July 2014 20: 25
    Ukraine has already been a lot of vector! Result?
    1. +4
      12 July 2014 20: 57
      A multi-vector Ukraine has always been split into the East of Ukraine and the pro-Western Galicia, and its rulers, moreover, sought to the West --- but in Kazakhstan a completely different situation: despite national, religious and other differences, there are no sharp contradictions between Kazakhs and Russians, on the contrary both peoples are closer together than during the Soviet Union. For example, mixed marriages, so rare in those days, are now quite common.
  17. +5
    12 July 2014 20: 36
    This second point of view and won before signing the final document 29 May. Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan Samat Ordabayev noted with some pride: “We left the politicization of the Treaty, and therefore the Union, the whole backbone is purely economic interaction. Due to the consistent position of Kazakhstan, such issues as general citizenship, foreign policy, inter-parliamentary cooperation, the passport and visa sphere, general border security, export controls, and so on were excluded from the Treaty. ”

    The main integration negotiator from Russia, Igor Shuvalov, tried with all his might to convince the Kazakh side that "the modern world has already worked out a good scheme of preserving state independence and sovereignty in parallel with participation in economic integration associations." He said that the Russian side had to “spend a lot of time convincing Kazakhstan’s partners that the solutions offered by us do not hide an attempt on their sovereignty”. But it was not possible to change the position of Astana.


    "As for our independence, this is a constant, Kazakhstan will not give up an iota of independence to anyone. But in economic integrations, we will voluntarily give some economic prerogatives to supranational bodies. As the European Union gives to the European Commission. And this will be decided by consensus; if Kazakhstan is dissatisfied with something, so the issue is not resolved, not accepted. That is, all three states must agree to make a decision. Therefore, there should be no excitement here. " (c) Nazarbayev

  18. +9
    12 July 2014 20: 40
    The special approaches to a number of the most important issues of integration and regional policy, which Astana has been demonstrating over and over again, cover more and more areas ----- and why not: the presence of foreign capital? is it the same in Russia, is it owed to the West? - Russia until recently had an external debt of one and a half hundred billion, the purchase of non-Russian weapons - Russia didn’t buy Mistral, Kazakhstan, and it’s not cooperating ? And Ulyanovsk? Now quote-- Souce: National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. By Gene Thorp - The Washington Post.

    It turned out that Russia, along with Georgia and Pakistan, for several years was the main transit country through which all deliveries to Afghanistan for the US military were carried out. A report from the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency says that the route through Pakistan has always been too dangerous for the supply of military equipment and there was mainly fuel transit.

    And as a result, all the talk about the "Ulyanovsk transit" is not even worth the electricity that was spent on them on the network, after the promulgation of the obvious fact that the hero city of Moscow is the main transit point for railroad deliveries of military equipment to Afghanistan. So, in my opinion, Kazakhstan has every right to its policy.
    1. +10
      12 July 2014 20: 49
      Correctly noticed everything.
      Russia itself constantly declares equal rights in international relations.
      Independent policy does not mean against Russia.
      1. +5
        12 July 2014 21: 14
        Quote: Anatoli_kz
        Correctly noticed everything.
        Russia itself constantly declares equal rights in international relations.
        Independent policy does not mean against Russia.

        There are two principles: 1) who is not with us is against us. 2) who is not against us is with us. If you adhere to the first principle, then all friends-neighbors are gradually lost, because interests can not always coincide, and there is almost always a difference in views on certain issues and events. If you adhere to the second principle, on the contrary, more neighbor friends will appear, since there is no imposition of your point of view.
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  19. +6
    12 July 2014 20: 51
    when will they stop inventing our states with enemies both for us and for ourselves? Author, why did you write this muddy, do you work out the order?
  20. Iero
    -3
    12 July 2014 21: 34
    Kazakhstan will be the first country where Great China will turn its gaze. More than to all other neighbors, the PRC has territorial claims against the Kazakhs. N. Nazarbayev, before collecting Great Turkestan and calling Russia a colonizer, would have recalled the fate of the Dzungar Khanate. And then he writes: "For 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. With the help of the Almighty, we proclaimed our independence in 1991." What traditions are these - to abduct brides and cut bloodlines? And who raised the virgin lands, built factories and mines? - Colonizers? We know the name of this "Almighty" ... I remind you: In 1755, the Dzungarian issue was finally and irrevocably resolved. A million-strong group of Qing troops was introduced into Dzungaria, and the total extermination of the Oirats began, regardless of their age and gender. The Chinese historian Wei Yuan wrote: “There were several hundred thousand families in Dzungaria, four-tenths died then from smallpox, two-tenths fled to Kazakhstan and Russia, three-tenths were destroyed by the great army”. In the same way, the PLA will solve the Kazakh issue. A. Chernyshev names the reasons for the cruelty: “The Tsins perpetrated a cruel reprisal against the Oirats, not because they considered them barbarians. No, they didn’t slaughter the Sibo, Solonov, Daurov and other tribes. They destroyed the Oirats, because they were afraid that they would keep their face as a potential rival who already had experience in creating a sovereign state and maintained long-term ties with Russia. "
    1. -5
      13 July 2014 12: 43
      You're right. I don’t understand the mood of the Alga-patriots of Kazakhstan who are going to shower China with tyubeyki.
  21. +6
    12 July 2014 22: 10
    I wish you all the best!
    It is not enough for me that I like it in our country, in you and in the world in general, but the Republic of Kazakhstan is one of the few republics of the former Soviet Union that did not fall into a "steep peak". Whether anyone likes it or not, it's a fact.
    And now, the main idea, why is the policy pursued by Kazakhstan, in any sphere, a priori perceived as anti-Russian?
    1. Argyn
      +1
      12 July 2014 22: 50
      Because the Russians must decide for us how we behave. And if we behave differently, then everything, we are anti-seeds. There isn’t anything to put things in order in their barn, no, they’re climbing into someone else’s garden, planting not potatoes but onions, not cabbage, but tulips.
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  22. -7
    12 July 2014 22: 28
    If Kazakhstan does not enter (yes, that’s just that) into Russia, then sooner or later its territory the great eastern neighbor will declare its original territory with all the consequences, unless Kazakhstan has consumed the drug business, civil wars and chaos in general from the south.
    1. +8
      12 July 2014 22: 38
      Yes, you are my friend, storyteller! laughing
    2. Argyn
      +4
      12 July 2014 22: 51
      Quote: Rigla
      If Kazakhstan does not enter (yes, that’s just that) into Russia, then sooner or later its territory the great eastern neighbor will declare its original territory with all the consequences, unless Kazakhstan has consumed the drug business, civil wars and chaos in general from the south.

      Another fortune teller on the site is class 80 lvl Wang.
  23. -6
    12 July 2014 22: 41
    Yes, we are all storytellers, a year ago, however, no one of the well-known Ukrainian fairy tales could have imagined that ... They reasoned in theory in the distant future about the collapse of Ukraine, but how it happened ... But what humiliates you to be in the same state with us?
    1. +7
      12 July 2014 22: 51
      Humiliates? On the contrary. We were in such a state, only you asked all of us from it. Maybe now, in Kazakhstan? I promise we will not offend. feel
      1. Argyn
        +3
        12 July 2014 22: 56
        Quote: KADEX
        Humiliates? On the contrary. We were in such a state, only you asked all of us from it. Maybe now, in Kazakhstan? I promise we will not offend.

        No no no. After 300 years, we again find out what was the Mongol yoke. And in the case, analysts have long known that with Ukraine such star anise will come out. It humiliates us to poke your nose with an open rear behind you and it can end in disastrous condition for you. Put things in order, and the question of being in one state is already closed. The answer is NO.
        1. dilyanna
          +2
          13 July 2014 03: 24
          Yes, reading the comments, you are more and more convinced of your rightness ... anger, hatred, as if it hurts to bite and humiliate. The most important thing is to find the enemy, either south or north, or in Russian. whether oralmans or Kyrgyz, then religion ... And the root of all problems? Argyn has to work on this until the "clever" ones are found to direct your "righteous anger" where they need to.

          Not long ago, we were only glad that you can safely read the news on the ru-portals and comments of adequate people, so no, we got here.
          1. +5
            13 July 2014 14: 17
            Not long ago, we were only glad that you can safely read the news on the ru-portals and comments of adequate people, so no, we got here.

            This is you about many millions of comments: Russia for Russians; the death of the p.i.d.o.sa.m and the geyropeytsam; urine chocks, kaklov and yids? crying What happiness it is that you and I have different ideas about adequacy! Understand, the objections of the Kazakhs are most often nothing more than a reaction to the statements of the Russian Natsiks, tk. interethnic relations tend to return like a boomerang. We must not forget: "He who sows the wind will reap the storm"!
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  24. +2
    13 July 2014 00: 56
    They talk about the dead either well or not, but the news about Novodvorskaya is good! A person living in hatred of the country in which he lives and his people should have poisoned himself and poisoned (she died from an infectious toxic shock) !!!!
    1. +1
      13 July 2014 01: 10
      What is it like? Did someone bite her?
    2. -4
      13 July 2014 04: 44
      Where she is buried, I’ll specially go to the grave to piss ...
    3. -2
      13 July 2014 04: 44
      Where she is buried, I’ll specially go to the grave to piss ...
  25. +3
    13 July 2014 06: 52
    The author has raised a serious problem. But unfortunately I did a one-sided analysis. But if you seriously approach the theory of multi-vector politics, it will become obvious that the Kazakh people will be born in the center of the vectors. Well, it does not happen in real life that "the wolves are fed and the sheep are safe." You still have to sacrifice something. In this case, people are sacrificed for the sake of a "multi-vector policy" ordinary people, most of whom do not live in Astana or Almaty. To understand this, it is enough just to drive 200-300 km from these cities to the west or east and everything will become immediately clear.
    That is why the NAS says one thing, signs another, and does the third. So it turns out that the majority looks at the zombie man and applauds. Thoughtful people (as the author of the article) analyze the facts and documents, begin to think and without any enthusiasm. But those who know the actual situation of the economy and politics prefer to talk about it in Kazakhstan in a whisper and only among friends.
    Ask why NAS has been in power for so long in this case. Everything is quite simple, the same "elite" and the majority of the not stupid population understand perfectly well that it is easier for the people to feed one tsar and his family than many tsars, who in a few years change the way they did in Ukraine.
  26. +4
    13 July 2014 07: 38
    Quote from the article:
    The picture of Astana’s external debt is no less revealing: its largest creditors are the Netherlands - more than 32 billion dollars ...

    Interestingly, this is not connected with the Chui Valley. bully
  27. +4
    13 July 2014 11: 23
    The author described everything well, I am ashamed of it: "at the extraordinary summit of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, the Kazakh delegation supported the suspension of Syria's membership in this organization - which, by the way, was opposed by Iran and Algeria at this conference."
    BUT! Kazakhstan should act in its own interests - and not in the interests of Russia. We are doing everything right.
  28. -2
    13 July 2014 12: 21
    Multi-vector Astana .... the eternal bike of the Kazakhs, how to live between a Russian bear and a Chinese dragon. For me it's just a betrayal. Denial of all the good done by Russia for the sake of local political ambitions.

    All the fault is the bad Russian character trait helping neighbors and elementary tolerance and decency. Let's go back to the days when the Chinese drove the Dzungars from their places and they invaded the lands of the Kazakhs. From a political point of view, it is a mistake that Russia accepted the Kazakhs into its empire. If the Anglo-Saxons were Russian, they would not support one side. They would have waited for the Dzungars to massacre Kazakhs without exception, and then they would attack the Dzungars, weakened by the long war. And that’s it. The vast territory of Kazakhstan is free for settlement. Without some natives confused underfoot. There were already prerequisites for mass settlement. But I think the settlers would gladly choose the lands of northern Kazakhstan, where it is warm, light and do not bite flies.

    Let's see what China and Russia need from Kazakhstan right now.
    1. The market for their products? Yes, Russia needs it. To China? 17 million people for China is ridiculous.
    2. The population of Kazakhstan. Lively and friendly. Yes, Russia needs it. To China? China for the Han! Kazakhs will only get in the way when they populate Kazakhstan.
    3. The territory of Kazakhstan. I will not even explain what life space means for the XNUMX billion people of China. And unhindered promotion of their goods along the Silk Road is much more profitable than paying duties, to some kind of Kazakhstan. Yes, and natural resources for ever starving for raw materials in China are needed, like air. For Russia you just need a friendly population in this space.
    Russia needs an ally, Kazakhstan. China, Kazakhstan, as an independent state is not needed at all. The time will come and Kazakhstan will have to choose finally between Russia and China. Otherwise, the fate of the Dzungars will have to be repeated.

    ready to talk with thinking people.
    1. +2
      13 July 2014 16: 34
      All the fault is the bad Russian character trait helping neighbors and elementary tolerance and decency. Let's go back to the days when the Chinese drove the Dzungars from their places and they invaded the lands of the Kazakhs. From a political point of view, it is a mistake that Russia accepted the Kazakhs into its empire.
      If the Anglo-Saxons were Russian, they would not support one side. They would have waited for the Dzungars to massacre Kazakhs without exception, and then they would attack the Dzungars, weakened by the long war. And that’s it. The vast territory of Kazakhstan is free for settlement. Without some natives confused underfoot. There were already prerequisites for mass settlement. But I think the settlers would gladly choose the lands of northern Kazakhstan, where it is warm, light and do not bite flies.


      The aim of the Dzungar Khanate was: to ward off the threat from the Kazakhs in the conditions of constant confrontation with the Qing Empire, subjugate the settled agricultural regions of Central Asia, and even in the future make the Kazakhs their faithful vassals and allies, such as, for example, the Yenisei Kyrgyz.
      1. -4
        13 July 2014 17: 24
        Destroying the Kazakhs make them faithful allies? So is the right way of the union of Russia with Kazakhstan?
        1. +2
          13 July 2014 18: 05
          Quote: Cossack Ermak
          Destroying the Kazakhs make them faithful allies?


          And what did the Russians do with the Bashkirs? Same.

          Quote: Cossack Ermak
          So is the right way of the union of Russia with Kazakhstan?


          Scan from the book of A. Karpov
          http://photohost.kz/images/2014/07/13/dalUC.gif

          “It was not the same with the Kirghiz, the merciless war began with them from the first day from the first skirmish and dragged on without a minute of peace, without rest, without ceremony for decades. Since it is a Kirghiz [Kazakh], then an enemy, a sworn enemy for every minute, and everything that bore the Kyrgyz appearance was destroyed, the Cossacks fought to death, whole auls, elders, wives - everything was exterminated, children and nursing babies were killed - they will grow up to bite, the Cossacks said and raised them on spears. This was revenge for the captured and sold into slavery in Khiva for the Cossacks, for those who died irrevocably in captivity ... "

          True, then the Russian government revised the policy of reconciliation and acted more gingerbread than a whip, and this paid off.

          1. -1
            13 July 2014 18: 47
            Well, there’s the other side of the coin. Kazakhs attacked the settlements of the Cossacks. Stealing all the population, children, women into slavery. In Khiva, Bukhara was stolen by several tens of thousands a year. And you know that. One vaunted cut horsehair added to the cut heels of prisoners is worth it. My grandmother said that at the end of the century before last, women were not allowed to go on the field alone. Always with them was an equestrian armed outfit of the Cossacks. and this is in the Zerendinskaya village. In the north.
            1. +2
              13 July 2014 20: 29
              Yes, I do not argue. Just do not need to imagine the relationship between Kazakhs and Russians, as an idyll.
              By the way, Karpov still has interesting material, as the Russian government literally brought the Bashkirs to a large-scale revolt.
              By the way, if you are interested in the history of the Cossacks, then read the book by Karpov, I personally really liked it. At least objectively describes the relationship of the Cossacks with nomadic peoples, almost everywhere gives links to archival documents. The author’s sympathies, of course, are on his side, but he speaks quite objectively about opponents.
              1. 0
                13 July 2014 20: 38
                There is a link to the full version of Karpov’s book. Unfortunately, I have not read it.
                1. +3
                  13 July 2014 20: 50
                  http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3814522

                  http://www.twirpx.com/file/631607/

                  Unfortunately, he managed to write only the 1 volume, i.e. until 1726 year.
                  1. +2
                    13 July 2014 21: 44
                    Thanks for the link. It is a pity that there is no continuation, and the archives are gone. Interested in the story of the creation of the Presnogorkovskaya line and the villages of the Kokchetav district. Not long ago I found in the archive a photograph of my great-great-grandfather. wink But I wanted to look even further. I like the custom of the Kazakhs to know all their ancestors up to the 12th tribe. The Russians fucked the Bolsheviks tried to cut off the roots. Just now I learned what my great-great-grandfather’s name was. There is still a lot of work :-)
                2. 0
                  13 July 2014 21: 43
                  Do you have anything on the history of the Cossacks?
                  1. 0
                    13 July 2014 22: 03
                    I'm still at the beginning of the journey. There is no time to sit in the archive. Job. Moreover, almost the entire archive was taken to Omsk. You can’t get there yet.
          2. 0
            13 July 2014 18: 54
            Only the conquest of the Central Asian khanates destroyed the economic essence of the Kazakh attacks on Russian settlements. There were no buyers of slaves and business ceased to exist.
    2. Bi_Murza
      +5
      13 July 2014 21: 18
      Not when the Kazakhs did not betray the Russians, the Russians merged the Kazakhs Yeltsin divorced the former republics of the USSR, the National Academy of Sciences tried to the last to save the USSR as the whole people of Kazakhstan, And what did we get for loyalty all the money supply of the USSR that poured into Kazakhstan? Not a single republic saw such inflation CIS, Tenge Kazakhstan introduced the very last, when there were no chances left,
      So we treat Russia well, but remember the past, What if Yeltsin or Gorbachev comes instead of Putin?
      1. +1
        13 July 2014 21: 45
        I, too, am not enthusiastic about Yeltsin and Gorbachev, and I think it was necessary to judge them, Kamk of traitors.
      2. +1
        13 July 2014 22: 21
        You have very correctly described the place that existed at that time. hi Indeed, it was not Kazakhstan that threw or threw Russia, but on the contrary, Russia presented us with a fait accompli - destroying a single state, and we were forced to accept this fact due to circumstances beyond our control. And even after such an outright betrayal, Kazakhstan from the very beginning was and remained virtually the only state in the CIS - an ideological supporter of integration processes to preserve the former social, economic and political relations between the former Soviet republics. NAS has managed to buzz their ears to all the heads of the CIS about the vital need to stick together. And at the same time, by the way, the Russian leadership also did not sit idly by - it was carrying another nonsense to the masses intoxicated with the intoxication of pseudo-freedom, like: Russia for Russians, nafig Asians, the West is our friend and partner. And in general, she lived with "blue" dreams: to get rid of the accursed scoop as soon as possible, to join the club of developed capitalist countries and, with her head held high, enter the NATO military bloc.
  29. +2
    13 July 2014 13: 19
    Quote: Canep
    a ". I was Russian, I served in the army of Kazakhstan and therefore cannot get Russian citizenship.


    Is that what you decided ?? Or do you think so ????
    I served in the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the battalion of protection of the General Staff. (so to speak in the heart of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan). And already as a year a citizen of Russia.
    In Kazakhstan, they do not talk much about how to obtain citizenship in Russia. It is necessary to collect a lot of certificates and permission to leave - this is in the opinion of the UFMS of Kazakhstan. In Russia, papers from the Republic of Kazakhstan are not needed. You need nothing more. If you need advice, write in a personal.